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Peaches

05-13-2009, 10:58 AM

In yesterday's thread some were talking about how obvious it is that police are focusing on Ron and Misty and them being responsible...not the exact words, but I think I have the meaning correct...

I just wanted to say that I believe that if this was true and they really believe and have evidence that Ron and Misty did indeed do something to hurt that little girl, where they may not come out and say that, they would come out and publicly clear Crystal. They would also not be playing around with questioning them. They would be all over them. I don't know of anything that they could charge Misty with, but if they really thought Ron was involved, I think they would have arrested him for statutory rape just to get him charged with something so that they would have him there under their control. For sure they would say that Crystal was not involved. Most members of LE do not want to cause anymore pain than need be to a grieving parent, it would be inhumane to do that so I really believe if they were sure Ron and/or Misty were involved, meaning Haleigh is no longer with us, Crystal would have already been cleared.

Pia, hope you are well adjusted to your new home.

My very own opinion is that Ron did nothing to hurt his child. I do not believe for one minute he would protect anyone who he thought did something to hurt Haleigh. Even Crystal said that Ron loved Haleigh with all his being (something like that anyway).

LE said that they were satisfied with Ron being at work. All I have read talked about how upset Ron was when LE arrived.

Misty..........??? I just can not believe that she hurt Haleigh either.

Hopefully, we will all know soon. I pray that Haleigh will come home alive and well. These rumors about her being with relatives would be a dream come true for this family.

Prayers for Haleigh and all those she loves.

jmo

carlybarly

05-13-2009, 11:24 AM

You know guys, just a thought, we have all heard alot about human trafficking since this case began and were all more or less stunned to find out that children are sold into sex slavery every day, here and in other countries, which is what I believe happened to the McCann baby, but I would be really interested to find out if any of these more high profile drug dealers, like the one in the link posted today, if he or someone like him made a large amount of bail in the couple days, maybe a week after Haleigh went missing. You know, stealing the child to make money for a large bail? If so, Misty could have easily been drugged that night by someone earlier in the evening who wanted to come in and take either Haleigh or JR, and got Haleigh first. It would be easy IMO to get a child out of the country from Florida, KWIM?

madamex that is something that has ALWAYS been in the back of my mind. Human trafficking is much more prevelant and widespread than many realize, many people think "oh it is only in other countries, poor countries" unfortunately no it isn't. And honestly, they wouldn't even have to get her out of the country, there are houses all over the place they keep kidnapped children and teens till they have the highest bidder or whatever (sickens me to think that let alone type it). And I believe like you, I think that is what happened to Maddie.

At this point I don't know what to believe with this case, there is just nothing there. I just don't feel Ron hurt her and I don't think he would stand by if he knew a person did. He may not be the greatest example of a partner and perhaps he has been violent or even abusive on some level to the women he was with. That doesn't make him a child abuser nor love and cherish his kids any less than another father.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 11:25 AM

You know guys, just a thought, we have all heard alot about human trafficking since this case began and were all more or less stunned to find out that children are sold into sex slavery every day, here and in other countries, which is what I believe happened to the McCann baby, but I would be really interested to find out if any of these more high profile drug dealers, like the one in the link posted today, if he or someone like him made a large amount of bail in the couple days, maybe a week after Haleigh went missing. You know, stealing the child to make money for a large bail? If so, Misty could have easily been drugged that night by someone earlier in the evening who wanted to come in and take either Haleigh or JR, and got Haleigh first. It would be easy IMO to get a child out of the country from Florida, KWIM?

X............and Natalee Holloway??? Maybe this is what happened to her. Boy, does this make me scared to allow my grandchildren to move. Someone could snatch them in the blink of an eye. It has often been said that is why younger people have children; they allow them to explore while we who are older see danger is too much.

jmo

Yes, X, we all want to find this precious child. Someone knows something. Maybe today will be the day Haleigh comes home.........or at least we have a confirmed clue.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 11:27 AM

Thanks, Peaches, it's all about finding Haleigh and finding justice. We have always agreed on that, and we all will continue to into the future too, I hope.

Today, though, I PROMISE I will not bring up Chad Reynolds and bore everyone to death, LOL......unless someone else does first!

This case is so very perplexing, I am beginning to believe.......hold on.....that the family did not have anything to do with her disappearance.

That being said, the alternatives leave me with very little hope, but I will hang on to that little bit of hope until she is found and brough home, one way or another.

OH...............bring up whatever and whomever you want, MadameX. Your opinions are always welcome!

AND.........BTW.............no one knows what/where/when/how. We are all just guessing. moo

Peaches

05-13-2009, 11:29 AM

madamex that is something that has ALWAYS been in the back of my mind. Human trafficking is much more prevelant and widespread than many realize, many people think "oh it is only in other countries, poor countries" unfortunately no it isn't. And honestly, they wouldn't even have to get her out of the country, there are houses all over the place they keep kidnapped children and teens till they have the highest bidder or whatever (sickens me to think that let alone type it). And I believe like you, I think that is what happened to Maddie.

At this point I don't know what to believe with this case, there is just nothing there. I just don't feel Ron hurt her and I don't think he would stand by if he knew a person did. He may not be the greatest example of a partner and perhaps he has been violent or even abusive on some level to the women he was with. That doesn't make him a child abuser nor love and cherish his kids any less than another father.

Good Morning..............I am happy to see that you stay connected to your home! ITA with all you have posted here. Thanks for your thoughts and your insight.

seeker

05-13-2009, 11:38 AM

For me myself, I am not ready to give up hope that Crystal and/or her parents have Haleigh hidden somewhere. I know what the alternative is and I just can't go there yet.

Pia, I have a question, though. If Crystal or her side of Haleigh's family have "taken" Haleigh and have her hidden, WHY would Crystal allow Kim Pacazio to be her advocate, her LAWYER, bringing an investigation and the scrutiney that comes with one, down upon herself?

It would be wonderful to hear that Haleigh is alive, but if this, or a similar scenario were true, Haleigh's protectors would be in prison for a long time, unable to care for her (or Little Ron and the baby) once the "scheme" was uncovered.

Just some things to think about and just my opinions.

seeker

05-13-2009, 11:43 AM

madamex that is something that has ALWAYS been in the back of my mind. Human trafficking is much more prevelant and widespread than many realize, many people think "oh it is only in other countries, poor countries" unfortunately no it isn't. And honestly, they wouldn't even have to get her out of the country, there are houses all over the place they keep kidnapped children and teens till they have the highest bidder or whatever (sickens me to think that let alone type it). And I believe like you, I think that is what happened to Maddie.

At this point I don't know what to believe with this case, there is just nothing there. I just don't feel Ron hurt her and I don't think he would stand by if he knew a person did. He may not be the greatest example of a partner and perhaps he has been violent or even abusive on some level to the women he was with. That doesn't make him a child abuser nor love and cherish his kids any less than another father.

I have to disagree with the statements above that I bolded. If Ron is violent and an abuser (on any level, to any person) HOW in the world can that translate into him NOT being less of a father and how could a man who is violent and abusive cherish anyone or be a good father?

My thoughts on this

Texas48

05-13-2009, 11:43 AM

In yesterday's thread some were talking about how obvious it is that police are focusing on Ron and Misty and them being responsible...not the exact words, but I think I have the meaning correct...

I just wanted to say that I believe that if this was true and they really believe and have evidence that Ron and Misty did indeed do something to hurt that little girl, where they may not come out and say that, they would come out and publicly clear Crystal. They would also not be playing around with questioning them. They would be all over them. I don't know of anything that they could charge Misty with, but if they really thought Ron was involved, I think they would have arrested him for statutory rape just to get him charged with something so that they would have him there under their control. For sure they would say that Crystal was not involved. Most members of LE do not want to cause anymore pain than need be to a grieving parent, it would be inhumane to do that so I really believe if they were sure Ron and/or Misty were involved, meaning Haleigh is no longer with us, Crystal would have already been cleared.You and your thoughts make perfect sense Pia. If only a few others could open their minds to other theories rather than just putting all their focus on Ron and Misty as the guilty parties..but...I know that is never going to happen. IMO we had good discussions about Chad Reynolds yesterday....but then posters came back later wanted the conversation/discussions BACK to Ron and Co. ...that is certainly their choice to make and all has that right..One statement did stand out to me which was.....*bringing CR into the storyline takes the focus off where this case should be going*.....and we know WHERE those few posters want this case to go. I have NO problem with what anyone thinks/believes/their opinions. BUT...try and remember..ALL posters have that option to discuss any subject or persons that COULD be related to this case and THAT includes..Chad Eugene Reynolds. NOW...Madame X..I brought CR back up..you didn't..I will continue my thoughts about CR in another post as this one is way long....Good morning to ALL..TY for the new thread X and ALL for the prayers for Haleigh Marie Cummings. ALL my thoughts and my opinions.

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:01 PM

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet

I mean there are 177 missing female children in Florida right now, I haven't read the specifics on all of them, I am sure some are family abductions, but what about the ones who aren't? What if they are being taken and sold to finance the drug trade that is so rampant in Florida in one way or another? And what if Haleigh was one of them?

The drug connection would be there, I believe Ron and Misty are on the bottom level of the totem pole when it comes to that ( a good thing) but it would put them in indirect contact with some very scary people, people who would stoop to absolutely nothing, and stealing a child to sell to make bail would be easy for them with the contacts they have. Maybe that's why the case is so perplexing, the tenuous connections are there because of the drug use, and the partying, but Misty could have been just as easily set up by someone who supplies people in the town with drugs, someone who needed some "seed" money or bail money. Was there someone in the upper levels of the drug trade in that area that posted a rather large bail in the week or so following Haleigh's disappearance?

I just think it's maybe time to look in another direction because I think IMO that if ANYONE in the family knew anything they would have talked long before this. Consequences be damned, pardon my french, she is their child, for heaven's sake.

And yes, Natalee comes to mind, too.

<my bolding>

One of the few things that Law Enforcement has made clear is that they do not believe that there was an abduction in Haleigh's home that night. We've talked about how they are allowed to lie, but there is no way, if they believed that an abductor of children actually took Haleigh that they would not issue warnings: HUGE, MEANINGFUL WARNINGS to everyone with children and grandchildren, in order to protect the citizens of that area. No such warning has ever been made.

Madame, I don't mean to sound rude, as we are all here to discuss, but Why, in your opinion, is it time to look in another direction? They haven't even completed their investigation into the most logical, prominent suspects: Ronald Cummings and his new wife, Misty. You don't look far away, at abstract ideas, then move inward towards the simple, logical explanation, however repugnant it is to think about.

However much we wish Haleigh were alive, hoping and wishing don't erase the blatant facts that stand out to those who have been listening and watching and reading about Ron and his family, and who are allowing their knowledge of human behavior to help them make informed opinions and theories.

These are my thoughts and opinions and in no way are meant to be insulting to anyone else's.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:08 PM

Could be a couple of reasons. One being, Jr. was meant to be with her and Haleigh and two being, to throw the focus off her. What I think is that if this is what happened, Jr. was not meant to be left behind and it wasn't supposed to have happened this way. I think the intent was for Ron to know that they were with her but things didn't go as planned because Misty woke up and all heck broke loose after that.

This theory is as good as any other I have seen posted. Maybe CS was going to do a "Ron" and get both of them in her possession (possession is 9/10th of the law saying). The only difference is that when Ron took them, there had not been a court ordered custody. She could have been charged with kidnapping or some other offense. Maybe some people don't/can't think that far. JMO

Edited to add. Did CS get notice of the hearing on the Child support arrears before or after Haleigh disappeared.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:12 PM

madameX, if I'm reading this correctly, he was released this morning. Feel free to straighten me out if I'm wrong!

I hope they have a revolving door at that jail, else they have to replace the hinges very often!!! JMO

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:17 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

"Florida Department of Children and Families has extended its investigation into possible abuse of Haleigh and her younger brother allegedly at the hands of their father, Ronald Cummings Sr."

JMO

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:21 PM

Good question but on other cases where a parent is hiding a child, there is almost always an attorney for the parent that is hiding the child. And they haven't seemed too concerned of possible prison sentences either.

Thanks for responding, Pia. I have not followed any other case, nor been involved in an online discussion board before. Can you share with me some other cases of children being hidden by their parents, and then hiring an attorney amidst the investigation into the disappearance of that same child? I have never heard of any story like that and I'd like to hear about it.

As far as being worried about a prison sentence or not, it just doesn't make logical sense to me; that if a parent abducted their child (and only one of them from an abusive home) why would this protective parent, who would have to be capable of forethought,not think ahead to how they would extricate themselves from possible arrest? Wouldn't the purpose of rescusing the child(ren) be for his/her/their protection?

In this case, Crystal would have sacrificed her new baby and Little Ron and nothing points to that, in my opinion. She is flawed, as are we all, but she is also loving and becoming quite a strong woman throughout this ordeal. She does not fit into any profile that I can imagine of an abductor of any child, let alone just one of her two that she believes are in an unsafe home. All accounts, that we have been privy to, paint a picture of a growing awareness on Crystal's part: It wasn't until Haleigh disappeared, in my opinion, that the horrible realization of how truly dangerous Ron can be came out, and that is something else she is having to come to terms with, in my humble opinion.

These are just questions and opinions of mine and are not meant as an attempt to shoot down your thoughts and ideas.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 12:21 PM

wouldn't you think that if Crystal was going to send Haleigh "underground" she would have disappeared with her, to protect her and keep her safe? I know other stories about parents hiding their children but donlt most of them go underground with them, they don't typically send them alone. What would Crystal have to gain by not going with Haleigh? I think she would have taken both Haleigh and Jr and disappeared with them, maybe left Chad's baby with him. I mean, if someone she knows has hidden Haleigh all this time, they could hide Crystal and Jr, too.
Well...I thought about this myself...what if someone related to Crystal(like Marie) contacted KP before all of this and maybe she has ties to an underground network....The accident happened in November and if they didn't believe the story about the playground accident and arranged for Haleigh to be taken because they thought she was being abused. After she is taken, KP files for custody of both children and then Haleigh mysteriously is found and Crystal has custody. Crystal passes LDT because she didn't know what was going on, it was arranged by someone else....or I still worry about this group of Mexicans that were being talked about, I have heard what Mexican Cartels do with small children if they have a vendetta against you.All just my opinions.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:29 PM

I honestly didn't think that in the beginning. It was only after watching one of her interviews when things starting creeping into my mind. I thought a SO had abducted her as with Jessica and others. I don't remember exactly what it was that she said but while watching the interview it was like a light bulb went off. I started looking back on other things and began hoping I was right.

One thing that really does stick out for me though was her comforting Ron on two different occasions that I saw. She changed her stories about abuse....the photos they tried to make everyone believe was proof of abuse, the timing of the hearing....many other things.

Let's not forget Wayanne Kruger being contacted by Crystal's mother and her immediate departure after KP gets involved. I'm still trying to find out if she is the one who got KP involved, after all in her interview she said she was going to help Crystal get an attorney. Why was she even there at this point, when no abuse had even been mentioned yet? So far at that point Crystal was saying that Ron had not abused the children, he loved them, Misty loved them, they loved Misty....

I remember that WK didn't stay very long. Also in the beginning I thought it was said that Marie S. contacted KP, but the other day Cobra said he was the one that contacted KP. JMO

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:33 PM

Thanks for responding, Pia. I have not followed any other case, nor been involved in an online discussion board before. Can you share with me some other cases of children being hidden by their parents, and then hiring an attorney amidst the investigation into the disappearance of that same child? I have never heard of any story like that and I'd like to hear about it.

As far as being worried about a prison sentence or not, it just doesn't make logical sense to me; that if a parent abducted their child (and only one of them from an abusive home) why would this protective parent, who would have to be capable of forethought,not think ahead to how they would extricate themselves from possible arrest? Wouldn't the purpose of rescusing the child(ren) be for his/her/their protection?

In this case, Crystal would have sacrificed her new baby and Little Ron and nothing points to that, in my opinion. She is flawed, as are we all, but she is also loving and becoming quite a strong woman throughout this ordeal. She does not fit into any profile that I can imagine of an abductor of any child, let alone just one of her two that she believes are in an unsafe home. All accounts, that we have been privy to, paint a picture of a growing awareness on Crystal's part: It wasn't until Haleigh disappeared, in my opinion, that the horrible realization of how truly dangerous Ron can be came out, and that is something else she is having to come to terms with, in my humble opinion.

These are just questions and opinions of mine and are not meant as an attempt to shoot down your thoughts and ideas.

I don't remember the names of the people involved, but there was a woman who claimed the father was abusing her child. She took the child into Canada. The mother did have an attorney and IIRC the mother was in jail for Contempt because she would not reveal where the child was. The child was eventually brought back to the states, but she was gone for a very long time. I can't remember all the details. JMO

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:34 PM

Good morning, Tex!

Cobra has stated many times, as well as LE, to the effect that Nay Nay, Amber and Misty all hold the key, but I am beginning to wonder which door they are trying to unlock? I am beginning to believe that this case will turn out to be more than just about a missing 5 YO, Haleigh, that her disappearance was just one incident in what LE is trying to bust wide open down there in Florida.

I just don't think anyone in the family could hold silence this long, not with Haleigh's very life at stake.

I think the family might realize that her abduction might be drug related, but not in the way we assumed for a while, not in retaliation for monies owed to a dealer.

Law Enforcement has never stated that Amber and Nay Nay hold the key. Cobra has hinted that they might give some insight into Misty and Ron's character, actions, and their utterings.

If I am wrong, please show share where the task force looking onto Haleigh's disappearance has ever said these two young women hold any "key" to their investigation. Misty, of course, does, as she has vital information, because she lived in the home with Ron and his children and has since married him.

my thoughts, my opinions

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:35 PM

As does Brittanee Drexel for me.

o\t It's amazing how similar those two disappearance's are. JMO

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:41 PM

Lizzie, it says booking date 5.12, is that not the arrest date? The other bonds were posted on 5.10, I read that to mean he posted abil 2 days ago for the other charges and has already been arrested again. Am I interpreting it wrongly?

My computer says Intake 5/12/2009 9:22:10 PM
Release 5/13/2009 10:12:00 AM

JMO

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:44 PM

Really? hmmm...I didn't know that he had said that. Very interesting...so who contacted him? Any connections anyone know about between he and ex-marine/deputy/Daddy Sheffield?

Cobra said Rev. Grund asked him to check into Haleigh's case. When Cobra first came on the scene somehow I got the impression that KP had asked him to.
JMO

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:45 PM

Good post. About CR....when was he "cleared" by LE? Was this about the same time they decided the other 40+ RSO in the area had been cleared? If my memory is correct, wasn't that just a wee bit too early? How in the world could they have cleared ALL of them in such a short amount of time?

Probably because they already knew that Haleigh's strange disappearance into thin air all rests at the feet of the inhabitants of her home. Everything, since the early morning hours of Feb. 10, 2009, beginning with the 911 call through their initial take of the crime scene, onward, has been the task force's work, behind the scenes in shoring up their case.

If they suspected any abduction, warnings would have been issued to the community in order to safeguard the children.

These are my strong feelings and opinions

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:49 PM

bold is mine....

I have seen several reports where LE have said that they believe she was indeed abducted. Where have they said that they do not believe that? TIA

If I stand corrected, please share those reports stating that L.E. believes that Haleigh was indeed abducted.

my opinion

seeker

05-13-2009, 12:52 PM

madameX, if I'm reading this correctly, he was released this morning. Feel free to straighten me out if I'm wrong!

Peaches, thank you for the new thread. Good morning all!

Thanks go to MadameX for this morning thread.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:54 PM

With all due respect I think if LE "already knew' then we would have seen an arrest long before now.

I agree. The only reason I can think of for LE not to make an arrest is that they do not want to give up the right to be able to question them (if they do have proof or even a strong suspicion that RC/MC are involved). What puzzles me is why, if RC/MC are involved and they keep questioning them is, haven't they retained counsel. Maybe they are waiting to see if charges are made and then they can declare indigency and get a public defender. As I say this is very puzzling. JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 12:54 PM

Really? hmmm...I didn't know that he had said that. Very interesting...so who contacted him? Any connections anyone know about between he and ex-marine/deputy/Daddy Sheffield?

Cobra said in the last radio blog talk that Rev. Grund contacted him and asked him to help find Haleigh. Cobra arrived on the scene found out some information and contacted Kim P and asked her to help Crystal because he felt Crystal got a raw deal and needed help.

So Rev Grund brought Cobra in, Cobra brought Kim in.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:57 PM

I do remember several posts weeks ago about KP being the one who brought him in. Exactly who is Rev Grund? How is he involved with Haleigh?

Rev Grund is a minister and the A's are saying his son was involved in Caylee's disappearance. He hired Cobra to assist him in that. I don't know how he got involved in Haleigh, guess he just inserted himself. JMO

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 12:59 PM

Cobra said in the last radio blog talk that Rev. Grund contacted him and asked him to help find Haleigh. Cobra arrived on the scene found out some information and contacted Kim P and asked her to help Crystal because he felt Crystal got a raw deal and needed help.

So Rev Grund brought Cobra in, Cobra brought Kim in.

That's Cobra's version. I do remember that it was reported that Marie G. brought in KP. Maybe that wasn't true. I really don't have any proof of who was responsible. JMO

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 01:00 PM

With all due respect I think if LE "already knew' then we would have seen an arrest long before now.

You better believe it Pia. IMO if LE suspects one of them could have brought harm to Haleigh and that she is no longer alive, they are EXTREMELY REMISS in not doing anything to remove Junior pronto.

They would be culpable if something similar were to happen and I don't care about what is alleged concerning them being with Grandma. The missing child is on LE's watch right now and if they have knowledge Ron or Misty are responsible and that Haleigh is no longer alive, it would be the most unethical and dangerous thing they could do leaving another child to face the same thing.

That's one reason I continue to believe there is someone else involved in the abduction of Haleigh Cummings and IF BY CHANCE it was some kind of retribution, I still have faith in her being alive. Not much, but I continue to have that kind of hope. JMO.

:wub:Hearts for Haleigh.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 01:04 PM

Cobra said in the last radio blog talk that Rev. Grund contacted him and asked him to help find Haleigh. Cobra arrived on the scene found out some information and contacted Kim P and asked her to help Crystal because he felt Crystal got a raw deal and needed help.

So Rev Grund brought Cobra in, Cobra brought Kim in.

IIRC KP was on the scene before anything was heard about Cobra. JMO

seeker

05-13-2009, 01:05 PM

Well first one that pops up is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/index.html

Now can you please show me one where they said they DO NOT think she was abducted? TIA

This report was on Feb. 11, 2009. This an an excerpt from the beginning of the article you posted above:http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/index.html

Look at the wording: (my bolding and underlining)

"SATSUMA, Florida (CNN) -- A missing 5-year-old Florida girl was most likely abducted from her home in rural Florida, police said Wednesday.
Haleigh Cummings, 5, went missing Monday night from her home near Orlando, police said.

Haleigh Cummings, 5, went missing Monday night from her home near Orlando, police said.

Haleigh Cummings has been missing since 3 a.m. Tuesday, when her father's girlfriend called 911 to say the child had vanished from her Putnam County home.

"There's no longer any reason to believe that the child simply wandered outside," said Putnam County Sheriff's Office Maj. Gary Bowling.

The police must "assume abduction," he said.

"All the answers to why you'd want to take a 5-year-old are ugly," Bowling said.

Police have no official suspects, but are treating everyone they interview as one.

"All the world's a suspect" now, Bowling said.

Pia, now, I will look for what you requested.

Thanks for this.

Edited to add one article; will search in chronological order, from the beginning to the present day http:http://www.news4jax.com/news/19121518/detail.html#-//

In this article it says this: "The focus began to turn toward Haleigh's parents when a heated interview on national television put Ronald Cummings on the defensive."

my thoughts.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Rev Grund is a minister and the A's are saying his son was involved in Caylee's disappearance. He hired Cobra to assist him in that. I don't know how he got involved in Haleigh, guess he just inserted himself. JMO

I'm still very iffy on how all of the circus acts came together under the BIG TOP, especially since they all seem to be spinning their wheels and looking for cash about now IMOO. :sneaky:

There is something stinky about the entire cast of characters in this group from what I'm seeing. VERY STINKY from the half baked videos and the very idea that somehow Cobra missed out on his 2mil movie deal to do this....:rolleyes: came with a heavy wallet and now has nothing and is hoping for some cash to line his pockets and Kim with her stories that don't seem to match up with what we're seeing and hearing. JMOOC.

Poor Haleigh, she's just lost in the muck IMO.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 01:09 PM

I'm still very iffy on how all of the circus acts came together under the BIG TOP, especially since they all seem to be spinning their wheels and looking for cash about now IMOO. :sneaky:

There is something stinky about the entire cast of characters in this group from what I'm seeing. VERY STINKY from the half baked videos and the very idea that somehow Cobra missed out on his 2mil movie deal to do this....:rolleyes: came with a heavy wallet and now has nothing and is hoping for some cash to line his pockets and Kim with her stories that don't seem to match up with what we're seeing and hearing. JMOOC.

Poor Haleigh, she's just lost in the muck IMO.

Very, very true. I might have a little more faith in Cobra had he not started begging for donations. I can't get away from my feeling that this is a "15 mins. of fame" type of involvement for these people. JMO

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 01:10 PM

IIRC KP was on the scene before anything was heard about Cobra. JMO

Why you must be kidding me NA......:sneaky:....

They have done nothing to further the location of Haleigh and IMO are responsible for the low coverage level for this beautiful child. JMO tho.:crying:

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:11 PM

That's Cobra's version. I do remember that it was reported that Marie G. brought in KP. Maybe that wasn't true. I really don't have any proof of who was responsible. JMO

How would Marie know her? We already know that Cobra knows Kim. Frankly, it doesn't matter who brought who in, they are all there now.

Texas48

05-13-2009, 01:13 PM

bold is mine...
I forgot to add, just exactly where should the focus be? None of us really know the answer to that. I think talking about all the possibilities is good, whether we agree with them or not but bashing one side or the other is not good. That is where the focus gets lost.
That is my thought Pia and many others as well. I TRY and keep an open mind and take in all thoughts..many of which I would have never thought of...that makes it all good. The FOCUS..? It is hard for me to believe that *anyone* knows exactly what happened to Haleigh and who is to blame..This is a message board..a place for *discussions*..we are NOT LE that is investigating this case. we are ALL posters that are here because we *care* about Haleigh. jmo..gotta go do real life things for a bit..ugh..BBL.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 01:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ?noanswer
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDe...3945&IMG=51200

J W back in jail. Bail 33,000+ with drug charges among other things. Most things are felonies, but what I found interesting that a charge of <= 20G Marijuana is a misdeamor. Quick question. If there is a 0 under the bail, does that mean he cannot bail out or that there is no bail attached to that offense? JMO
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Good Morning everyone, I am just getting caught up and wanted to respond. to the best of my knowledge, ?noanswer post.
It looks like JW was rearrested on;Booking Date & Time: 5/12/2009 9:22:10 PM - Booking#: 09-01875
Released today,"Release Date & Time: 5/13/2009 10:12:00 AM"
Also were there is (0) for bond means,there is NO preset bond on a charge and the prisoner has to make an appearance before the judge before he/she can be released..
Looks like he made his first appearance this morning before the judge, then released.MOO
Hope this help clarify a little bit.

Thanks. After he was released, I surmised that it didn't mean bail was denied. You stated it more clearly than I could think! JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:18 PM

Ita, CK. IMO there is no way Jr would still be in the home if LE suspected he was with a killer/abductor.

What LE suspects and what LE can prove are two different things. The investigation is on going for the evidence based on the suspicion.

seeker

05-13-2009, 01:19 PM

With all due respect I think if LE "already knew' then we would have seen an arrest long before now.

For an arrest to "stick" all these agencies investigating Haleigh's disappearance need to get their ducks in a row. Why risk a quick arrest, only to lose their case and let the suspect(s) get off?

Slow and methodical. I believe they have the time because they do not think that Haleigh is alive. If they did, the focus would be off of Ron Cummings.

my opinion and feelings about this

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 01:20 PM

I remember that WK didn't stay very long. Also in the beginning I thought it was said that Marie S. contacted KP, but the other day Cobra said he was the one that contacted KP. JMO

You beat me to the punch ?noanswer. Was just thinking the same.

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:24 PM

seeker

05-13-2009, 01:25 PM

I agree. The only reason I can think of for LE not to make an arrest is that they do not want to give up the right to be able to question them (if they do have proof or even a strong suspicion that RC/MC are involved). What puzzles me is why, if RC/MC are involved and they keep questioning them is, haven't they retained counsel. Maybe they are waiting to see if charges are made and then they can declare indigency and get a public defender. As I say this is very puzzling. JMO

Ron has attorneys and according to their "press releases" they are intervening, even with police questioning of Ron.

my opinion based on the Ron's attorney's own declarations:http://www.findhaleighnow.com/

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 01:27 PM

Cobra said in the last radio blog talk that Rev. Grund contacted him and asked him to help find Haleigh. Cobra arrived on the scene found out some information and contacted Kim P and asked her to help Crystal because he felt Crystal got a raw deal and needed help.

So Rev Grund brought Cobra in, Cobra brought Kim in.

Few different stories on who brought in who, so I wonder who is telling the truth?

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:30 PM

Ron has attorneys and according to their "press releases" they are intervening, even with police questioning of Ron.

my opinion based on the Ron's attorney's own declarations:http://www.findhaleighnow.com/

Still no video from Ron. How long have they had it posted that a video is "coming soon"? I am interested to see what kind of whining feel sorry for himself while he pats himself on the back video he is going to make.

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:33 PM

Few different stories on who brought in who, so I wonder who is telling the truth?

As far as I have heard Cobra is the only one that said how he and Kim arrived on the scene. I never heard Kim say anything about who put her in contact. I did hear her asked how she knows Cobra and she responded that she was involved as attorney in his divorce proceedings.

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

seeker

05-13-2009, 01:36 PM

How would Marie know her? We already know that Cobra knows Kim. Frankly, it doesn't matter who brought who in, they are all there now.

I agree. Why argue about this when what's most important is that NOW there are people in a position to search diligently to find the truth regarding WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH? There is an investigation into Little Ron's safety, a little boy we know is alive and needs to be protected.

my opinion

carlybarly

05-13-2009, 01:40 PM

I have to disagree with the statements above that I bolded. If Ron is violent and an abuser (on any level, to any person) HOW in the world can that translate into him NOT being less of a father and how could a man who is violent and abusive cherish anyone or be a good father?

My thoughts on this

I'm not surprised you disagree with that statement, and I stand by what I said. I have known men that were not the best at being husbands or boyfriends but they put their kids before everything, and if one hair would have been touched on that child's head, all heck would have broken loose. I know how badly you believe Ron is the devil incarnate but I can't see him that way. Uneducated, bad choices and not an ideal partner sure, but I don't see him as abusing and killing his child. But maybe you need to step back and look at all possibilities of this instead of just being stuck on Ron, you do indeed have tunnel vision in this, no matter how well thought out your posts are, they all come back to him with no leeway at all. IF you knew him personaly and were around him to see how he treated his children then it would be another things, right now you only have gossip and rumors to go by. Gossip and rumors have led many innocent men and women into prisons because some LE got a tunnel vision too. I choose to wait till I see something that shows me that this man is guilty of hurting his daughter or even covering up the fact that she killed.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 01:47 PM

I'm not surprised you disagree with that statement, and I stand by what I said. I have known men that were not the best at being husbands or boyfriends but they put their kids before everything, and if one hair would have been touched on that child's head, all heck would have broken loose. I know how badly you believe Ron is the devil incarnate but I can't see him that way. Uneducated, bad choices and not an ideal partner sure, but I don't see him as abusing and killing his child. But maybe you need to step back and look at all possibilities of this instead of just being stuck on Ron, you do indeed have tunnel vision in this, no matter how well thought out your posts are, they all come back to him with no leeway at all. IF you knew him personaly and were around him to see how he treated his children then it would be another things, right now you only have gossip and rumors to go by. Gossip and rumors have led many innocent men and women into prisons because some LE got a tunnel vision too. I choose to wait till I see something that shows me that this man is guilty of hurting his daughter or even covering up the fact that she killed.

Great post. I agree completely. I also wonder what is taking so long to investigate the allegations levied against Ron Cummings. I would think if these allegations had any teeth, they would have already removed Junior from Ron's custody, at least while they continued to investigate.

And to continue your thought in regards to 'tunnel vision' I seem to remember high profile cases in the 80's that media latched on to rumor and sensationalism, which resulted in day care centers all over the country being accused of Satanic abuses, and innocent people jailed, lost their kids, and still even now live with the effects.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 01:47 PM

Very, very true. I might have a little more faith in Cobra had he not started begging for donations. I can't get away from my feeling that this is a "15 mins. of fame" type of involvement for these people. JMO

My faith in cobra would have been better if, for an investigator, he didn't start blabbing everything he said he found out. Also, anything he claims he found out should have been given to LE, and not on national tv and the blogs.

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:49 PM

I'm not surprised you disagree with that statement, and I stand by what I said. I have known men that were not the best at being husbands or boyfriends but they put their kids before everything, and if one hair would have been touched on that child's head, all heck would have broken loose. I know how badly you believe Ron is the devil incarnate but I can't see him that way. Uneducated, bad choices and not an ideal partner sure, but I don't see him as abusing and killing his child. But maybe you need to step back and look at all possibilities of this instead of just being stuck on Ron, you do indeed have tunnel vision in this, no matter how well thought out your posts are, they all come back to him with no leeway at all. IF you knew him personaly and were around him to see how he treated his children then it would be another things, right now you only have gossip and rumors to go by. Gossip and rumors have led many innocent men and women into prisons because some LE got a tunnel vision too. I choose to wait till I see something that shows me that this man is guilty of hurting his daughter or even covering up the fact that she killed.

I don't think Seeker is saying that you cannot believe what you want to believe. Seeker has a different opinion from yours, true, however, Seeker's opinion, mine and the majority that follow this case which is becoming fewer followers as time goes on believe that Ron and Misty are covering up something that Ron or he and Misty did that caused Haleigh to vanish.
Witnesses that do know Ron are the people that stated he abused the children. People that Kim has stated that she has talked to personally in regard to the abuse. And that investigation is still on going.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 01:50 PM

My faith in cobra would have been better if, for an investigator, he didn't start blabbing everything he said he found out. Also, anything he claims he found out should have been given to LE, and not on national tv and the blogs.

I agree with you. I thought it was completely idiotic for him to blab to the media that 'Ron said he only married Misty to keep her close'...for goodness sakes, if Ron did indeed tell him that, how in the heck does that help?

Tracian

05-13-2009, 01:52 PM

I don't think Seeker is saying that you cannot believe what you want to believe. Seeker has a different opinion from yours, true, however, Seeker's opinion, mine and the majority that follow this case which is becoming fewer followers as time goes on believe that Ron and Misty are covering up something that Ron or he and Misty did that caused Haleigh to vanish.
Witnesses that do know Ron are the people that stated he abused the children. People that Kim has stated that she has talked to personally in regard to the abuse. And that investigation is still on going.

They investigated the Kennedy assassination faster than this, apparently all the tips and leads have not amounted to enough evidence to remove Ron's son from the house, which IMO, speaks volumes.

diamond

05-13-2009, 01:56 PM

I agree with you. I thought it was completely idiotic for him to blab to the media that 'Ron said he only married Misty to keep her close'...for goodness sakes, if Ron did indeed tell him that, how in the heck does that help?

It doesn't help. But then who knows Ron's mindset. His behavior has been very strange and unusual. I for one, absolutely do NOT believe even for one second that Haleigh wanted him to marry Misty. That was the most ridiculous statement I ever heard. And TN singing praises for Misty on the news about the marriage and the children wanting Misty to be their mommy was sick. There is no other word to describe it. It is sickening for a grandmother to even suggest such a thing regarding the last known person to see her grandchild as well as the fact that Misty had not been connected to their family for very long.

MOO

dustyk

05-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Ita, CK. IMO there is no way Jr would still be in the home if LE suspected he was with a killer/abductor.
Drew Peterson has been arrested and he still has custody of his children and they continued to live with him until the arrest. JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 01:58 PM

I agree. Why argue about this when what's most important is that NOW there are people in a position to search diligently to find the truth regarding WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH? There is an investigation into Little Ron's safety, a little boy we know is alive and needs to be protected.

my opinion

Why are you calling it arguing? What I am reading is people discussing.

panache

05-13-2009, 02:01 PM

I agree with you. I thought it was completely idiotic for him to blab to the media that 'Ron said he only married Misty to keep her close'...for goodness sakes, if Ron did indeed tell him that, how in the heck does that help?

It helps Tracian, because an innocent spouse would be outraged that her groom would consider her an *enemy*. Angry enough to spill the beans.

That statement of Ron's tells me he either suspects Misty knows something, or he is knowing something as he, too is involved.

You have to admit, its quite strange for a newlywed to say that about his bride. I won't bother to mention Misty's 3 day splurge. Most normal men would not turn their cheek and marry the person after such a humilation. Don't forget Rond did tell Cobra he was aware of WBG/Misty's tryst, and he has never to my knowledge, denied it publically, and say Cobra was lying or mistaken.
moo

daisywva

05-13-2009, 02:02 PM

Ron has attorneys and according to their "press releases" they are intervening, even with police questioning of Ron.

my opinion based on the Ron's attorney's own declarations:http://www.findhaleighnow.com/

This is a terrible describtion of little Haleigh on this web site. It ends up saying she has DIRTY BLONDE hair. I know that is a describtion some use to describe certain colors of hair, but to me it sounds like they are saying her hair is dirty. Anyway, I think they could have found a better way of describing her color of blonde hair than that. Below is the descibtion from the sight.

Please keep Haleigh and her family in your prayers!
Haleigh was last seen during the evening hours at her home in the Hermitt's Cove section of Satsuma in Putnam County. She is described as a white female, approximately 39 pounds and 3 foot tall. She is five years old, has dirty blonde hair and brown eyes.

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:04 PM

They investigated the Kennedy assassination faster than this, apparently all the tips and leads have not amounted to enough evidence to remove Ron's son from the house, which IMO, speaks volumes.

The JFK assassination was before my time. But from my study of it, there are still some questions about it.

I don't think it means anything that Jr has not been removed yet. The investigation is on going. If there were nothing to investigate, it would have been open and shut quickly. The fact that it is still an on going investigation is proof that there is something to check out regarding the abuse allegations from various witnesses.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 02:08 PM

Ron has attorneys and according to their "press releases" they are intervening, even with police questioning of Ron.

my opinion based on the Ron's attorney's own declarations:http://www.findhaleighnow.com/

It is my understanding this attorney is for the custody case. If RC is charged in the disappearance of Haleigh, he will need attorneys that are experienced in that field. JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:09 PM

I'm not surprised you disagree with that statement, and I stand by what I said. I have known men that were not the best at being husbands or boyfriends but they put their kids before everything, and if one hair would have been touched on that child's head, all heck would have broken loose. I know how badly you believe Ron is the devil incarnate but I can't see him that way. Uneducated, bad choices and not an ideal partner sure, but I don't see him as abusing and killing his child. But maybe you need to step back and look at all possibilities of this instead of just being stuck on Ron, you do indeed have tunnel vision in this, no matter how well thought out your posts are, they all come back to him with no leeway at all. IF you knew him personaly and were around him to see how he treated his children then it would be another things, right now you only have gossip and rumors to go by. Gossip and rumors have led many innocent men and women into prisons because some LE got a tunnel vision too. I choose to wait till I see something that shows me that this man is guilty of hurting his daughter or even covering up the fact that she killed.

Terrific post, carly. Whether or not we like the players in Haleighs life, all possibilities have to be looked at. Even though seeker would like to focus only on Ron and/or Misty, LE would be gravely mistaken to follow that opinion alone. And I for one, do not believe that. I do believe that they are looking in the box and outside it.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:11 PM

It helps Tracian, because an innocent spouse would be outraged that her groom would consider her an *enemy*. Angry enough to spill the beans.

That statement of Ron's tells me he either suspects Misty knows something, or he is knowing something as he, too is involved.

You have to admit, its quite strange for a newlywed to say that about his bride. I won't bother to mention Misty's 3 day splurge. Most normal men would not turn their cheek and marry the person after such a humilation. Don't forget Rond did tell Cobra he was aware of WBG/Misty's tryst, and he has never to my knowledge, denied it publically, and say Cobra was lying or mistaken.
moo
I do think Ron is controlling and I think he did put Crystal thru Heck when she left him...I think he underhandedly got custody and I know some don't agree, but it seems he is always waiting for his 90 day probation to be over for insurance to kick in. Seems they played the take the children from each other game when there was no custody agreement and that is just sad. I also think Crystal should have gotten Haleigh to the Dr appts, but I also think Ron should have made sure Haleigh went to school. The subject of The Turner's Syndrome came up as a reason why she missed so much school, but that would be excused absences, not absences he would have gotten in trouble for. She was not on any meds for the condition and only had to go to the dr once a year. I do not think Ron would hurt her. I don't think Misty did either.JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:12 PM

"It helps Tracian, because an innocent spouse would be outraged that her groom would consider her an *enemy*. Angry enough to spill the beans."
So with that little statement, The Hunter did NOT flush out any information so, the hunter decides to bring in Amber to try and use her to, out rage the groom. That back fired....
Wonder what other tricks he holds in his magical bag? What next Mr Bounty Hunter????

Angry, yes. But fear would over rule anger.
Think about it. The Cummings clan are praising Misty as the best ever. If she were to talk, they would be hunting her down like they were hunting WBG.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:14 PM

It doesn't help. But then who knows Ron's mindset. His behavior has been very strange and unusual. I for one, absolutely do NOT believe even for one second that Haleigh wanted him to marry Misty. That was the most ridiculous statement I ever heard. And TN singing praises for Misty on the news about the marriage and the children wanting Misty to be their mommy was sick. There is no other word to describe it. It is sickening for a grandmother to even suggest such a thing regarding the last known person to see her grandchild as well as the fact that Misty had not been connected to their family for very long.

MOO

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but what does the above have to do with cobra blabbing his investigation everywhere he can?

panache

05-13-2009, 02:15 PM

I have always wondered how Rev Grund,figured, in this case. Does he have any connection with the underground network? I do know there are people in Palatka who know how to contact this organization.Please do NOT ask me any questions of how I know. You can except my word or believe otherwise, but I WILL not discuss it just making posters aware it exist....

ETA: I would like to know if she had spoke with any attorneys in Palatka about the up coming contempt charges..

Rev. Grund aand Len Padilla became very tight during the CA case. IIRC, Lenny went to Patulak during the first one or two days of Haleigh's disappearance. If I was to take a guess, it was Lenny who clued Rev. Grund about this case. I doubt the Rev has anything to do with an underground network.

moo

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:16 PM

Drew Peterson has been arrested and he still has custody of his children and they continued to live with him until the arrest. JMO

Peterson has never been accused of abusing his children, that I am aware of.

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:19 PM

I so agree with that. I guess I am closed minded about a couple of things since I started reading up on it. In the beginning when I heard the first reports of how the kids were in bed with the gf, yada yada I thought maybe something happened with Misty...didn't know her name, age or anything at that time. I was only assuming because one, I wasn't really following the case and two, she was the last one seen with this child. Then I came here after hearing about the wedding, thinking that maybe the two of them were somehow involved and that the wedding was a cover-up...THEN, I read up on the case, got familiar with most of the ones surrounding little Haleigh's life and then I assumed it was a SO...It was much later that I came up with my assumption of Crystal/her parents....Now I don't think anyone who loved her, cared for her hurt her in anyway. I do think it is possible that she is being hidden by either Crystal or her family but I don't think any of them hurt her. I can only hope.

I have considered that she may be hidden away by the Cummings family. I don't think Crystal had opportunity or the resources to pull that off.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 02:20 PM

Angry, yes. But fear would over rule anger.
Think about it. The Cummings clan are praising Misty as the best ever. If she were to talk, they would be hunting her down like they were hunting WBG.

It is hard for me to believe that anyone would think that if another person knows something they would keep it quite forever. Most people the first time something doesn't go their way would spill their guts. JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:20 PM

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:21 PM

Peterson has never been accused of abusing his children, that I am aware of.
I am not understanding your post...Should they assume that he killed his wife, but his children are not in danger. IMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:21 PM

diamond, I have to disagree with your opinion that"fear would over rule anger". I feel just the opposite. With anger, you have NO fear. IMO... But you and I see things different and that is a natural in humans.IMO

I don't think Misty would be angry about that statement. I think she loves Ron and her feelings would be hurt that Ron said that. But if she did get angry, she would know better than to say anything.

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 02:24 PM

Exactly the point. It all came from cobra. I haven't seen any proof of Ron admitting or denying. And I say, good for him.

Since Cobra likes to release videos, one would think he would have all this on record. I would like to see what was edited out of all those videos. JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:24 PM

It is hard for me to believe that anyone would think that if another person knows something they would keep it quite forever. Most people the first time something doesn't go their way would spill their guts. JMO

Perhaps she will given enough time. There have been people that kept secrets for years only to spill their guts when they are on their death bed. Some mess up and tell someone they think they can trust. Depends on the person and the crime. Some secrets are told and some are not.

panache

05-13-2009, 02:26 PM

They wouldn't be too worried if they have her under constant surveillance.:wink:

Funny you should say that, I was just going to type that I bet LE is watching the Cummings with an eagle eye.

moo

?noanswer

05-13-2009, 02:27 PM

Perhaps she will given enough time. There have been people that kept secrets for years only to spill their guts when they are on their death bed. Some mess up and tell someone they think they can trust. Depends on the person and the crime. Some secrets are told and some are not.

I have always heard if more than one person knows something it is no longer a secret. JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:27 PM

That right there is probably why we haven't seen him lately. No matter how he reacts, it is turned against him. Anger, sadness, desperation, etc...it doesn't matter, he cannot win.

If he is covering up a crime, he should not win.

Anything people say about him, he brought it on himself with his actions less than 30 days after Haleigh disappeared by as he said "doing what he wants to do".

Tracian

05-13-2009, 02:28 PM

I am not understanding your post...Should they assume that he killed his wife, but his children are not in danger. IMO

Is he still in jail?

panache

05-13-2009, 02:29 PM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comments

scroll down to

comment, post 209. quite interesting.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 02:29 PM

Yuppers. Here in the Great White North, CAS would have the kids in custody by now if there was any suspicion, until resolution. They may continue visitation for both Crystal and Ron, but it would be supervised.
May be different in the States, or each different State.
JMO

Here in the hub of the Nation's Capitol as well Lizziegirl, especially given there had been involvement before with DCF. NO WAY JOSE for any child to be returning home with a parent, but supervised visitation would be acceptable. JMO :smile:

THIS IS BASED ON THE NEED TO PROTECT CHILDREN PERIOD IMO.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 02:30 PM

why would he want to kill his children? Its the mothers he got tired of.

In the Dewalably case, the other child was removed, and the baby that the mother was carrying was taken away right after she was born....they had no evidence of abuse, only that Jacquelyn disappeared from the house.

titanfan217

05-13-2009, 02:31 PM

I don't think Seeker is saying that you cannot believe what you want to believe. Seeker has a different opinion from yours, true, however, Seeker's opinion, mine and the majority that follow this case which is becoming fewer followers as time goes on believe that Ron and Misty are covering up something that Ron or he and Misty did that caused Haleigh to vanish.
Witnesses that do know Ron are the people that stated he abused the children. People that Kim has stated that she has talked to personally in regard to the abuse. And that investigation is still on going.

MOO but that the investigation is still going on, says alot.

They can close "no evidence" cases quickly especially if they think someone did it out of spite.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:34 PM

I am not understanding your post...Should they assume that he killed his wife, but his children are not in danger. IMO

I guess I am not understanding what DP has to do with Haleigh.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 02:34 PM

Funny you should say that, I was just going to type that I bet LE is watching the Cummings with an eagle eye.

moo

:biggrin: OMG, these people have more trauma than any of us can guess, and you think they have a full timer on Ron and Misty.....:blushing:

Do you fail to read the links you post concerning the obvious DRUG PROBLEM THEY HAVE and the ACTION that has been taken lately? :w00t:

But you really believe what you want to believe IMO because there is only one person left on the task force from what I read yesterday and they are doing a recap to determine if they can even justify that according to the person who was speaking IMO.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 02:35 PM

MOO but that the investigation is still going on, says alot.

They can close "no evidence" cases quickly especially if they think someone did it out of spite.

With the media attention, they cannot close this case quickly, they are going to have to dot all the i's and cross all the t's even if the under lying feeling is that the accusations are based in spite.

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:38 PM

With the media attention, they cannot close this case quickly, they are going to have to dot all the i's and cross all the t's even if the under lying feeling is that the accusations are based in spite.

What media attention? Main stream media are not covering this case now.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:38 PM

This law firm is by far the most unprofessional bunch I've ever run across. Their website is atrocious, including the description of Haleigh, they don't follow through on their announcements...if irrc they put off the *video coming soon* weeks ago because of some alleged meeting with LE. I think it's safe to assume that meeting ended long ago but yet, still no video.

Simply solution to that. Don't visit the website. Or write to them and complain. As for the video, maybe they changed their minds. Maybe they have other things to take care of. :unsure:

titanfan217

05-13-2009, 02:38 PM

I have considered that she may be hidden away by the Cummings family. I don't think Crystal had opportunity or the resources to pull that off.

Early in the case, someone told me they thought CS had done it, and my comment was "I hope so" but only because that was the only way I can see that she was still alive.

Later I leaned heavily towards someone in the Cummings family. In the last couple of days I've read about a "mystery aunt" that was supposedly with GGM that infamous night. Since we've not heard from her (at least I haven't), I wonder what her connection is -- could she be the one that has Haleigh or could she be the one that is supposedly watching JR every day.

Unfortunately, I don't think either of these are what really happened, but I go back to these are the ones where Haleigh is alive and well.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:40 PM

Funny you should say that, I was just going to type that I bet LE is watching the Cummings with an eagle eye.

moo

I would hope LE is eagle watching everyone and anything surrounding Haleighs disappearance.

bookie

05-13-2009, 02:40 PM

Few different stories on who brought in who, so I wonder who is telling the truth?

Cobra and Kim came on the scene within a day of each other. From memory she came first then he popped up the next day.

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:42 PM

Ita, bam bam. If someone had a knife to my child's throat, for example, I believe anger would most certainly override fear.

I don't think so. Fear of seeing your child's throat cut would over rule and you would do what ever you were told to do to protect your child.

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:46 PM

But her daddy just might.

Edited to ask...why would the Cummings have her hidden? They already had her.

Several reasons come to mind.
Abuse investigation reported by the school.
Missed days from school with possible charges against Ron.

The one I think is possible.....a scam for donation money.

MOO

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:50 PM

What an odd response. :confused:

Sorry you don't like mo of Ron's unprofessional attorneys, but there's a simple solution to that also. It's called skip and scroll.
This is one of the law firms inserting themselves into a case. Create a website to get their name out there and not folllow up on anything. i do think KP genuinely cares about Haleigh and she came out with the pictures immediately, that is why I think she may have had something to do with hiding Haleigh. Time will only tell and as others have said I hold on to this hope because then she is still alive. JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 02:50 PM

If he is totally innocent of all of this, will you still think he deserves all this ridicule?

I don't think he is innocent at all.

Yes, I do because he is self centered and his actions were to gain sympathy for himself with little notice of Haleigh. Innocent or guilty, that is what his actions presented to the public.

Owlface

05-13-2009, 02:52 PM

If he is totally innocent of all of this, will you still think he deserves all this ridicule?

My opinion on Ron is based on his behaviors since I first knew he existed. His behaviors are deserving of ridicule, in my opinion, although ridicule is your word, not mine.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 02:53 PM

Returning home? Jr wasn't taken out of the home and the investigation is still on-going. It's as simple as that.

That's the point Tiffany. I firmly believe that if LE was working the theory Misty and Ron DID SOMETHING TO HALEIGH and that she was not alive, JUNIOR would have been removed, placed in temporary custody of the STATE and Ron and Crystal would have been given liberal visitation until the case was solved, and DCF would have been doing their work too.

BUT JUNIOR would have been in protective custody until they were fully cleared of any wrongdoing regarding Haleigh Cummings IMO. :thumbup:

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:53 PM

Thank you for reminding us all of that. They thought he was in danger and there were no abuse allegations. If they thought Jr. was in any danger, I agree they would have removed him already.
I disagree...they have to have proof He was abused before any judge would remove a child. That is what is being investigated now. IMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 02:53 PM

What an odd response. :confused:

Sorry you don't like mo of Ron's unprofessional attorneys, but there's a simple solution to that also. It's called skip and scroll.

You want answers about RC's attorney's and the Haleigh website. Do you think we have the answers? If you have a complaint about the website, instead of complaining about it, do something constructive. Write them.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:54 PM

I disagree. They aren't going to remove a child until they are through investigating.
LOL we must have been typing at the same time.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 02:55 PM

You want answers about RC's attorney's and the Haleigh website. Do you think we have the answers? If you have a complaint about the website, instead of complaining about it, do something constructive. Write them.
Who is WE...I think she was giving an opinion and I have the same opinion...Is that not allowed. JMO

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:00 PM

You want answers about RC's attorney's and the Haleigh website. Do you think we have the answers? If you have a complaint about the website, instead of complaining about it, do something constructive. Write them.

Very sage advice CalamityGirl. :thumbup: I'm sure the webmaster would like to receive the complaints. Jmo tho.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 03:01 PM

Very sage advice CalamityGirl. :thumbup: I'm sure the webmaster would like to receive the complaints. Jmo tho.
Sure hope this isn't the beginning of bickering here, everyone has the right to an opinion without all the sarcasm.JMO

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:02 PM

I disagree...they have to have proof He was abused before any judge would remove a child. That is what is being investigated now. IMO

They had nothing in the Dewallaby case...NADA! Only thing they moved on was that a young girl was taken from the house, and later sadly found murdered.

I don't know the laws in Florida, but in CA they can remove a child while investigating if there is enough to reason that the child could be in danger.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:03 PM

May I ask how you know what I would do? Somewhat presumptuous, no?

May I inquiry how you know what you would do? Have you ever seen someone hold a knife to someone's throat? I have and it is not a situation that anger factors in when it is a stranger in a convenience store robbery. If fear of seeing someone's throat cut is that great for a stranger, imagine what fear and terror it would be for a person seeing that kind of threat toward their child.
If anger is your reaction, what are you going to do. Rush in and guarantee the child's throat is ripped open? Or suppress that anger and pray the child is unharmed.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:04 PM

My bad:blushing:. In future I shall refrain from posting until the coffee has kicked in. Thanks, MadameX! (peaches, I'm sure you've started another thread which I haven't thanked you for, so keep the thanks:smile:)

lizziegirl................I saw your post and could not believe that this simple mistake had to be pointed out..................jmo

Thank you in advance for any thread I might start! :wub:

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:04 PM

What abuse investigation by school?
Missed days of school, scam money, no disrespect intended, but those are very far out there.

I am curious about the school thing though. They were investigating abuse?

The school confirmed that Haleigh was injured there...nothing that I have seen even from Kim suggests that the school called and reported anything.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:05 PM

Who is WE...I think she was giving an opinion and I have the same opinion...Is that not allowed. JMO

Of course it is. As is mine. WE. Do you think WE, the posters can change the attornies website? I don't. I think the website is sloppy. But I wasn't on here complaining about it. I thought I was giving a solution for the poster to do something constructive. Write to the lawyers. Guess not.

dustyk

05-13-2009, 03:05 PM

and how would they explain themselves if Jr came up missing while they were proving their point with their investigation? I can't believe that if they thought Jr's life was at stake they would jeopardize keeping him safe with a what? 60 day investigation??? They take children out of homes all the time with less proof that they might be harmed than what they have w/Ron & Misty, all the time
Well what if they remove him and nothing was found...Can we say LAWSUIT....JMO

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:06 PM

How would Marie know her? We already know that Cobra knows Kim. Frankly, it doesn't matter who brought who in, they are all there now.

MOO is that Kim came first and then she has said many times, she has PI working for her.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:08 PM

The point of my post and the one I quoted was that it HAS been done before. If they think he is in danger and he would be in danger if his caregiver murdered his sister, then he would be removed. How irresponsible would it be of LE if he wasn't?

LE would have investigated the home, and the living conditions as well. While yes, they are looking for a missing child, we all know that the first or at least part of the investigation is in regards to the family.

I find it very hard to believe that LE would not have checked into any possible accusations of abuse or neglect while conducting their investigation into Haleigh's disappearance.

panache

05-13-2009, 03:09 PM

I don't think so. Fear of seeing your child's throat cut would over rule and you would do what ever you were told to do to protect your child.

Something like a knife to my child's throat would scare the begessies out of me. I guess you could call that FEAR.

moo

dustyk

05-13-2009, 03:09 PM

It would be more irresponsible if they removed him before they were done investigating the allegations of abuse.

Imo, that's why he's still there. They are still in the process of investigating.
ITA...Very frustrating but when you see it happen all the time you know it to be so. JMO

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:10 PM

They had nothing in the Dewallaby case...NADA! Only thing they moved on was that a young girl was taken from the house, and later sadly found murdered.

I don't know the laws in Florida, but in CA they can remove a child while investigating if there is enough to reason that the child could be in danger.

Hi Tracian, LTNS. It's my understanding that if the child is perceived to be in danger, AND MY GAWD, I can't think of any other perception IF LE TAKES ANY OF THE RUMOR MILL at their WORD and believes RON AND MISTY were responsible for Haleigh's disappearance, they would have to do so IMOO.

Otherwise, Junior's life is on their CLOCK given there have been reports before, a child literally vanished, AND QUITE POSSIBLY LE is looking inside the trailer for a SUSPECT IMOO.

IF DCF speaks to LE and I STRONGLY BELIEVE THEY HAVE AND DID IMMEDIATELY, they would have no other choice if they are thinking Ron and/or Misty had anything to do with whatever has happened to Haleigh Cummings IMO.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:10 PM

Well what if they remove him and nothing was found...Can we say LAWSUIT....JMO

They can stand on the probable cause that a child is missing from the residence.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:11 PM

What abuse investigation by school?
Missed days of school, scam money, no disrespect intended, but those are very far out there.

I am curious about the school thing though. They were investigating abuse?

I am not saying they were. I believe that the abuse allegations were already reported against Ron and the absences from school were a factor to abuse. IMO DFCS was already involved and an investigation underway. Something had to have occurred for Ron to quote how DCF approves or allows corporal punishment of children. He said he was within guide lines. How would he know unless he had been investigated before.

As far as a scam for money. Ron bragged at the tattoo parlor that he was making more in donations than he ever did working.
A scam for donations is possible. Just one theory toward the possibility that Haleigh may be alive hidden somewhere.

MOO

Owlface

05-13-2009, 03:12 PM

Yes they surely can in Florida. If LE is called to a scene and they think a child is in danger,they HAVE to call DFCS and a worker HAS to come and pick up that child. STAT...MOO, not looking for link.

Yeah, they can put the child on a 72-hour hold but then there has to be a court hearing about what's going to happen in the future. If there is no imminent danger the child would have to be returned home. This is the way it is in Minnesota anyway.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:16 PM

Yes they surely can in Florida. If LE is called to a scene and they think a child is in danger,they HAVE to call DFCS and a worker HAS to come and pick up that child. STAT...MOO, not looking for link.

ITA and otherwise, IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED with JUNIOR, they would have to claim they had no serious suspicion concerning Ron and Misty if he was left in their care IMO. I still believe they would easily be found at fault just based on what we've seen.

NOW GIVEN TERESA is LE and JOHNNY SHEFFIELD IS FORMER LE, I think they wouldn't want to be beholden to them and would indeed know it would be easy to find LE at fault with not protecting JUNIOR as they worked their investigation with the two chief suspects being the two adults who were in custody of the remaining child JUNIOR. No, I don't think RON AND MISTY are their true suspects, but that is JMO. :mellow:

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:16 PM

Yeah, they can put the child on a 72-hour hold but then there has to be a court hearing about what's going to happen in the future. If there is no imminent danger the child would have to be returned home. This is the way it is in Minnesota anyway.

There has been speculation that DFACS was already investigating abuse allegations, before Hayleigh went missing, IMO, if that was the case, once Haleigh was missing, they could prove imminent danger to the other child in the house.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:18 PM

They can stand on the probable cause that a child is missing from the residence.

That is correct Tracian. Not to mention the idea of Ron and Misty being suspects at the time IF THAT IS THE CASE.

The very idea of Junior being with Ron and Misty tells me LE is either TOTALLY INEPT or they know more than the rest of us and have some perception about what has happened to Haleigh. JMOOC.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:20 PM

ITA and otherwise, IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED with JUNIOR, they would have to claim they had no serious suspicion concerning Ron and Misty if he was left in their care IMO. I still believe they would easily be found at fault just based on what we've seen.

NOW GIVEN TERESA is LE and JOHNNY SHEFFIELD IS FORMER LE, I think they wouldn't want to be beholden to them and would indeed know it would be easy to find LE at fault with not protecting JUNIOR as they worked their investigation with the two chief suspects being the two adults who were in custody of the remaining child JUNIOR. No, I don't think RON AND MISTY are their true suspects, but that is JMO. :mellow:

On the other hand, if Ron is covering up a crime either by deliberate action or accident, it would be really stupid to commit another against Jr while under investigation.

Is TN a law enforcement officer?

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:21 PM

That's highly unlikely, imo.

The function of DCF is not to solve the Haleigh Cummings disappearance, their function is to investigate the allegations of abuse.

They are still in the process of doing that.

MO

LE would contact DFACS if they felt that the remaining child in the house was in danger; they would be forced to move forward to remove the child, just like in any other case that LE notifies DFACS.

A missing child, and should it be accurate complaints already filed with DFACS would be more than enough to remove the child.

panache

05-13-2009, 03:21 PM

:biggrin: OMG, these people have more trauma than any of us can guess, and you think they have a full timer on Ron and Misty.....:blushing:

Do you fail to read the links you post concerning the obvious DRUG PROBLEM THEY HAVE and the ACTION that has been taken lately? :w00t:

But you really believe what you want to believe IMO because there is only one person left on the task force from what I read yesterday and they are doing a recap to determine if they can even justify that according to the person who was speaking IMO.

There maybe one person left on the Task force as you say, I haven't heard that the five have been reduced to one. That being said as recently as the other day Capt. Schuland or some other spokesperson as said they are still invesitagating. Putnam County is comprised of more than enough LE to investigate more than one crime I would think. If if their force is stretched, all the have to do is request aid from a nearby county. Its been done for the searches in this case, extra aid has been requested in other cases I've followed as well. One that comes to mind is the Trenton case.

So yes, IMO, LE is keeping a close watch on these individuals.

moo

eta.. I don't know where you saw in my post a *full timer watching Ron and Misty*. That's an assumption you made.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:21 PM

so their hands are tied taking a chil in imminent danger from a home because of a possible lawsuit? IMO that's riduculous

That's not true IMO Madame. Their hands are not tied because they are protecting the child and the idea of a missing child in a home where there has been the kind of unrest with SS/DCF that these people have had, it would be construed as a protective measure. ESPECIALLY IF RON AND MISTY were suspected in bringing harm to Haleigh. JMO.

The lawsuit would come if they left him there in harm's way IF MISTY AND RON are SUSPECTS and something happened to him. JMO again.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:22 PM

just curious, why don't you believe Ron when he says he doesn't know what happened to Haleigh but you DO believe him when he brags about making money from donations?

Because he is lying about what has happen to protect himself and his actions prove it, IMO.

He has made money from donations. He doesn't have to brag about it for anyone to know about the donations. Money started coming in to him when the case first hit the news.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:22 PM

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:23 PM

just curious, why don't you believe Ron when he says he doesn't know what happened to Haleigh but you DO believe him when he brags about making money from donations?

Someone said that Ron bragged about donations. Everyone wants to get their name in print it seems.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:24 PM

I didn't ask for answers. There wasn't one question in my post that you quoted.

I was giving mo of Ron's attys. I stand by mo.

Just trying to help, if you were really interested in how bad you say the website is, but I guess it was just complaining. And someone else did post a question. Which I replied too also. I will try not to help in the future. Carry on with the complaining.

titanfan217

05-13-2009, 03:24 PM

There are two separate investigations going on. One is LE investigating a missing child case and the other is DCF investigating allegations of child abuse . Granted, they overlap because both are centered around Ronald Cummings and what has occurred in his home but they are two separate investigations, done by two separate agencies, none the less.

Until we are told the outcome of the investigations we are just speculating on what the actions, or inactions of LE and DFC means. I don't believe for one second that because jr is still under RC's care that means he didn't abuse his children, simply because the investigation is still on-going.

Absolutely, from what I've seen it's not clear cut either way. The agency might be having the same problem.

Obviously the agency doesn't think Jr is in immediate danger. This might be due to his current living arrangements, either with GGM full time or with someone else that the agency has approved.

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 03:24 PM

That's highly unlikely, imo.

The function of DCF is not to solve the Haleigh Cummings disappearance, their function is to investigate the allegations of abuse.

They are still in the process of doing that.

MO

THERE were MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS IIRC and they would be remiss if they did not aid in removing children from a home where it's suspected that a child has been harmed by the only adults in the dwelling IMO.

IT IS A PROTECTIVE PREVENTATIVE MEASURE if they have Ron and Misty on their radar as suspects in the disappearance of Haleigh IMO.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:26 PM

I don't think Seeker is saying that you cannot believe what you want to believe. Seeker has a different opinion from yours, true, however, Seeker's opinion, mine and the majority that follow this case which is becoming fewer followers as time goes on believe that Ron and Misty are covering up something that Ron or he and Misty did that caused Haleigh to vanish.
Witnesses that do know Ron are the people that stated he abused the children. People that Kim has stated that she has talked to personally in regard to the abuse. And that investigation is still on going.

diamond.................I just do not see your view is "the majority"...........jmo

BTW......... there are as many who think Ron did not hurt his child.

I just do not believe Kim and her famous PI, Cobra.............time will tell but right now my gut feeling is that they want MEDIA time and that is all.

All moo

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:26 PM

Well what if they remove him and nothing was found...Can we say LAWSUIT....JMO

Can they say lawsuit if the best interest of any child is put in temporary protection until proven it is safe or unsafe at home? I really don't know.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:28 PM

diamond.................I just do not see your view is "the majority"...........jmo

BTW......... there are as many who think Ron did not hurt his child.

I just do not believe Kim and her famous PI, Cobra.............time will tell but right now my gut feeling is that they want MEDIA time and that is all.

All moo

No, Peaches the minority are the ones that support Ronald Cummings. There are not that many of you.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Can they say lawsuit if the best interest of any child is put in temporary protection until proven it is safe or unsafe at home? I really don't know.

I seriously doubt it. Just like District Attorney's are not subject to being sued for bringing charges against someone, as long as they acted in good faith of their position, otherwise every acquitted person could sue prosecuting attorneys.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:32 PM

This is a terrible describtion of little Haleigh on this web site. It ends up saying she has DIRTY BLONDE hair. I know that is a describtion some use to describe certain colors of hair, but to me it sounds like they are saying her hair is dirty. Anyway, I think they could have found a better way of describing her color of blonde hair than that. Below is the descibtion from the sight.

Please keep Haleigh and her family in your prayers!
Haleigh was last seen during the evening hours at her home in the Hermitt's Cove section of Satsuma in Putnam County. She is described as a white female, approximately 39 pounds and 3 foot tall. She is five years old, has dirty blonde hair and brown eyes.

I feel certain that the poster did not mean that her hair was in fact "dirty"..............I have heard those in WV say dishwater blonde. It is just what some say in different parts of our wonderful country!

Find Haleigh............and God Bless the USA!jmo

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:32 PM

No, Peaches the minority are the ones that support Ronald Cummings. There are not that many of you.

Just because one is in the minority, does not make them wrong.

titanfan217

05-13-2009, 03:34 PM

No, Peaches the minority are the ones that support Ronald Cummings. There are not that many of you.

Not sure about that but maybe they are like Cub fans -- just louder.

For the record, I don't consider myself anyone's fan in this case. My issue with RC goes back to -- do everything you can to fix the problem, and not become a part of it. It's not about him, MC, or CS. It's about Haleigh.

FrankieBones1

05-13-2009, 03:37 PM

This is a terrible describtion of little Haleigh on this web site. It ends up saying she has DIRTY BLONDE hair. I know that is a describtion some use to describe certain colors of hair, but to me it sounds like they are saying her hair is dirty. Anyway, I think they could have found a better way of describing her color of blonde hair than that. Below is the descibtion from the sight.

Please keep Haleigh and her family in your prayers!
Haleigh was last seen during the evening hours at her home in the Hermitt's Cove section of Satsuma in Putnam County. She is described as a white female, approximately 39 pounds and 3 foot tall. She is five years old, has dirty blonde hair and brown eyes.
"Dirty Blond Hair"
Haven't hear that term in years. It's very oldfashioned and probably not PC these days. Medium to Dark Blonde Hair would have been sufficient.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:37 PM

This is your opinion. It's not based on any inside information of either LE or DCF.

I'm taking yo for what it's worth and will wait to hear what the professionals that are actually involved have to say.

MO

None of the allegations of abuse are based in any inside information from DFACS or LE either..just the rantings of a lawyer.

panache

05-13-2009, 03:39 PM

LE would have investigated the home, and the living conditions as well. While yes, they are looking for a missing child, we all know that the first or at least part of the investigation is in regards to the family.

I find it very hard to believe that LE would not have checked into any possible accusations of abuse or neglect while conducting their investigation into Haleigh's disappearance.

Does LE investigate every missing child household for abuse and neglect? Did they do that in the Bruni, Smart,Smith,Duckett,VanDam, etc. etc. cases? Just curious.

moo

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Well if I am wrong then DCF and LE sure have a lot of questions to answer...if they are leaving that baby in such a dangerous environment, they sure are taking a huge risk.....

Agreed. Also, they are leaving a material witness with who some believe is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance.

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Ron was investigated before because Crystal had reported that they were being abused. Someone correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that reported very early on? That is where Ron got the guidelines. As far as this school reporting abuse...if that was the case, don't you think we would have heard of that by now especially after the pictures came out where the school verified the accident?

Did anyone hear Ron make these statements at the tattoo parlor? Any recordings of those statements?

Yes Ron was investigated and DCF found no abuse. He was also court ordered to take a parenting class which he completed.

Nope, no recordings from the tattoo parlor and the reporter who said it didn't even do an on air interview with the person who he claims told him that. It's double hearsay at best.

panache

05-13-2009, 03:41 PM

Well if I am wrong then DCF and LE sure have a lot of questions to answer...if they are leaving that baby in such a dangerous environment, they sure are taking a huge risk.....

Do you think Junior is in a *dangerous envirornment*?

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:42 PM

So you say. I prefer to wait and see what their determination is.

See that. An agreement. We in the "minority" will wait for LE on whether any of the Cummings family are involved with Haleigh being missing.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:43 PM

I seriously doubt it. Just like District Attorney's are not subject to being sued for bringing charges against someone, as long as they acted in good faith of their position, otherwise every acquitted person could sue prosecuting attorneys.

Thank you Tracian, good point.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:44 PM

Does LE investigate every missing child household for abuse and neglect? Did they do that in the Bruni, Smart,Smith,Duckett,VanDam, etc. etc. cases? Just curious.

moo

I can only speak from what Mark Klass has stated, that the family is also investigated, and should cooperate completely with LE.

The speculation is that Ron was already in the cross hairs with DFACS, if that was the case, it would be completely incompetent for LE not to look at the family and even remove Jr. until their investigation was complete.

IMO, since most cases of violence against a person are either family or someone known to the family, what Mark Klass says, makes complete sense.

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:44 PM

the MAJORITY of us are tired of all the bashing on both sides, and are willing to take a look at other options on what might have happened. There is enough lack of evidence to make me believe that someone else may have done this crime.

The MAJORITY of us would like to be able to state our theories and opinions without having to constantly defend ourselves, and discuss them in a civilized manner, being open to other people'sperceptions without being brow beaten.

Post of the decade!!!

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:45 PM

Just because one is in the minority, does not make them wrong.

I think its the majority that don't like being wrong. I also think that is why they don't want to look outside the box of all possibilities. jmo

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:46 PM

Thanks Bookie...

Your welcome.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:47 PM

even if there was a recording it would only make him guilty (again) of stupidity, I don't think many would disagree that he can be stupid, but being stupid doesn't make you guilty of murder, kidnapping and/or aiding and abetting in the disappearance of your child. It only makes you look stupid, that's not a crime.

Thank goodness X. If that were the case, probably none of us would be walking around free. lol

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Yes Ron was investigated and DCF found no abuse. He was also court ordered to take a parenting class which he completed.

Nope, no recordings from the tattoo parlor and the reporter who said it didn't even do an on air interview with the person who he claims told him that. It's double hearsay at best.

How do you know there is not a recording? I have heard that there is and it was given to LE. He was at the tattoo parlor (during a time of a major ground search for Haleigh) for 6 to 8 hours and you honestly think no one there recorded it.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:49 PM

Just because one is in the minority, does not make them wrong.

I just do not feel that I am in the minority.............so I don't see it that way.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:51 PM

Not sure about that but maybe they are like Cub fans -- just louder.

For the record, I don't consider myself anyone's fan in this case. My issue with RC goes back to -- do everything you can to fix the problem, and not become a part of it. It's not about him, MC, or CS. It's about Haleigh.

Excellent Post! ITA with you................this is about Haleigh.

seeker

05-13-2009, 03:52 PM

Still no video from Ron. How long have they had it posted that a video is "coming soon"? I am interested to see what kind of whining feel sorry for himself while he pats himself on the back video he is going to make.

I know, just the coming attraction notices. It is really vulgar, in my opinion, and this is a site dedicated to finding a little girl who vanished from their client's home. If its all about Haleigh, why have they persisted in not correcting her vital information on the "Haleigh's Pictures" page?

Haleigh Ann-Marie is (was) three feet tall, not almost four feet tall. She has (had) brown eyes, not blue. Her hair is not blond, but rather strawberry-blond or dirty-blond.

my continuing thoughts about that situation

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:53 PM

How do you know there is not a recording? I have heard that there is and it was given to LE. He was at the tattoo parlor (during a time of a major ground search for Haleigh) for 6 to 8 hours and you honestly think no one there recorded it.

If there was a recording of Ron bragging about donations it would have been sold to the highest bidder within hours of his leaving the shop.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:54 PM

I don't see KP "ranting" so I'll consider the source on that opinion, as well.

If there was no merit to the abuse allegations, DCF wouldn't still be investigating.

MO

If the allegations had any validity, they would have already taken Jr. and put him in Foster care.

And yes, I do see Kim as ranting, she was already caught trying to spin a documented injury as abuse.

Tracian

05-13-2009, 03:55 PM

If there was a recording of Ron bragging about donations it would have been sold to the highest bidder within hours of his leaving the shop.

I agree!!! That would have been the 'bombshell' on NG and JVM.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 03:55 PM

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:55 PM

Do you think Junior is in a *dangerous envirornment*?

Apparently DCF doesn't.

"Harrell said that though the investigation is continuing, the DCF would not remove any child from a home unless they were in danger."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/08/news/news02.txt

"John Harrell, spokesman for the DCF in Jacksonville"

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:57 PM

How many do you speak for? I ask that because of your reference to "we." I was under the assumption that each one of us can only speak for ourselves.

:confused:

She can speak for me.

diamond

05-13-2009, 03:57 PM

If there was a recording of Ron bragging about donations it would have been sold to the highest bidder within hours of his leaving the shop.

No, don't think so. A recording is only of value to LE in the investigation. Ron is not worth anything to anyone else so that scraps the highest bidder sale. No one would buy it.

panache

05-13-2009, 03:58 PM

Can't answer for all of them but they did investigate the Smarts and the Van Dam's...not sure about the Smart's but the Van Dam's were rung through the ringer for their lifestyle....I didn't think much of it myself. I even thought almost to the end of the trial that their lifestyle/friends played a role in that little girl's death...Boy was I ever wrong.

I'm asking if LE investigated each of these families for abuse and neglect as Tracian stated. Yes, the van Dam's and Smart family were rung over the coals or however that statement goes. by the press, but I never heard LE was investigating any of these familes for those charges. Had they done so, for example in the Bruni case, they would have removed the brother. It was after the trial, that the mom was cited for neglect IIRC.

moo

seeker

05-13-2009, 03:59 PM

I'm not surprised you disagree with that statement, and I stand by what I said. I have known men that were not the best at being husbands or boyfriends but they put their kids before everything, and if one hair would have been touched on that child's head, all heck would have broken loose. I know how badly you believe Ron is the devil incarnate but I can't see him that way. Uneducated, bad choices and not an ideal partner sure, but I don't see him as abusing and killing his child. But maybe you need to step back and look at all possibilities of this instead of just being stuck on Ron, you do indeed have tunnel vision in this, no matter how well thought out your posts are, they all come back to him with no leeway at all. IF you knew him personaly and were around him to see how he treated his children then it would be another things, right now you only have gossip and rumors to go by. Gossip and rumors have led many innocent men and women into prisons because some LE got a tunnel vision too. I choose to wait till I see something that shows me that this man is guilty of hurting his daughter or even covering up the fact that she killed.

You don't know me. DO NOT put words in my mouth. Don't try to attack me personally. I bolded some of your unfounded statements and I am asking you to refrain.

my very strong feeling about this

bookie

05-13-2009, 03:59 PM

No, don't think so. A recording is only of value to LE in the investigation. Ron is not worth anything to anyone else so that scraps the highest bidder sale. No one would buy it.

Geraldo would have mowed over anyone in his path to get to that recording IF it existed. In case you missed it this case was in the news everyday back then. Geraldo was looking for dirt on Ron. A tape like that would have sold in a New York Minute.

panache

05-13-2009, 04:00 PM

I can only speak from what Mark Klass has stated, that the family is also investigated, and should cooperate completely with LE.

The speculation is that Ron was already in the cross hairs with DFACS, if that was the case, it would be completely incompetent for LE not to look at the family and even remove Jr. until their investigation was complete.

IMO, since most cases of violence against a person are either family or someone known to the family, what Mark Klass says, makes complete sense.

How about Mark Klass. Did LE investigate him for neglect or abuse?

Peaches

05-13-2009, 04:01 PM

She can speak for me.

And she can speak for me as well.

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:01 PM

oh heck it would have recived a bazillion hits on You Tube by now if there was one

If LE truly have any smart investigators they would have placed an under cover in that parlor to record and we don't know that they did not do exactly that. In any case, if there is a recording it is in evidence and not released to the public.

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:02 PM

panache

05-13-2009, 04:04 PM

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:04 PM

"Originally Posted by madameX
so their hands are tied taking a chil in imminent danger from a home because of a possible lawsuit? IMO that's ridiculous", Candy she said the lawsuit theory was " ridiculous." I think you misread her posting.

I realize that bam bam and I was offering some of what I knew to be true as well. I probably didn't phrase my reply well as my phone has been ringing off the hook today and I'm always in the middle of a thought here. :blushing: JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:04 PM

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:05 PM

Who is taking a beating? From what I have seen, almost all the posts today have been pleasant to each other.

I was about to ask that. I don't see anyone being beat up on.

panache

05-13-2009, 04:05 PM

I would hope in any case where a child is missing that LE would look into all aspects of that child's life...just as in any case, the people closest to the victim is looked at.

You would think so, but there isn't any evidence that LE does.

moo

seeker

05-13-2009, 04:05 PM

Great Post and I agree with your perception of "seeker". I once believed her/him to be the seeker of truth.. I now see the same person is the seeker to get a father of two that has raised them to the very best of his ability and is NOT the boogie man seeker is trying, very hard I may add, to make everyone believe he is.
seeker of what???? First message board you have posted on??? Why this case????
To you also I ask: Refrain from personally claiming to know my mind, who I am or what my motivation is.
<bolding of your personal attack>

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:06 PM

If the allegations had any validity, they would have already taken Jr. and put him in Foster care.

And yes, I do see Kim as ranting, she was already caught trying to spin a documented injury as abuse.
This post is so incorrect....anyone can accuse anyone of anything and it has to be investigated. I can imagine all the ex's who don't have custody, and the children that would be put in foster care for no other reason except "If I can't have him, you won't either"KP is not spinning anything, she thinks it is two seperate incidents and after looking at the pictures so do I. Is that your opinion or is that what you think is fact? JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:07 PM

I know I am not Pia, but IMHO, neither child was in a dangerous envirorment..... low income, yes... But a environment where they were very much loved and to me,love is priceless. I do NOT think Ron would have taken these two sweet, innocent children if he had NO intentions of anything but loving and given them the best possible care he could provide. Being a single parent is not easy even with the help of a extended family....Please don't come back with , he only did it to get Crystal back. because in my very on opinion that is BS...I believe he could have had her back in a heartbeat if he would have put up with her drug abuse. MOO

So BAMBAM are you saying that people that abuse their children hate them and that is why they abuse the children? Not so. People that are like Ron abuse their child. Love nor hate has anything to do with abuse. It is power, control, self centered me type people as well as those that are messed up on chemical abuse and then some with mental problems. The list of abusive personalities are extensive but has nothing to do with love or hate toward their child or spouse.

And you have no proof that Crystal using drugs caused their break up. There is more proof that Ron's is the cause combined with abuse.

MOO

sydney

05-13-2009, 04:07 PM

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:09 PM

How many do you speak for? I ask that because of your reference to "we." I was under the assumption that each one of us can only speak for ourselves.

:confused:

Did you pose that question to one who posted about the majority?
We, the ones "supposedly" in the minority, know who "WE" are. I will say, IMO, "WE" are the ones who will not accuse without proven facts of any wrongdoing.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:10 PM

She can speak for me.

And you for me bookie. :thumbsup:

sickntired

05-13-2009, 04:10 PM

How do you know there is not a recording? I have heard that there is and it was given to LE. He was at the tattoo parlor (during a time of a major ground search for Haleigh) for 6 to 8 hours and you honestly think no one there recorded it.

I just got back from lunch and am behind...so I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to, but there was a video of Ron at the tattoo parlor and he was discussing what it would take to cover up the tattoo of "Theresa" on his chest/rib area.

panache

05-13-2009, 04:10 PM

I know I am not Pia, but IMHO, neither child was in a dangerous envirorment..... low income, yes... But a environment where they were very much loved and to me,love is priceless. I do NOT think Ron would have taken these two sweet, innocent children if he had NO intentions of anything but loving and given them the best possible care he could provide. Being a single parent is not easy even with the help of a extended family....Please don't come back with , he only did it to get Crystal back. because in my very on opinion that is BS...I believe he could have had her back in a heartbeat if he would have put up with her drug abuse. MOO

You can't make an allegation bam bam on a public message board and forbid anyone to respond to it. I disagree about Ron not taking Crystal back due to *drug use*. He convinced her to go back twice.

Now my question to you is, why would a man take a 6 mo old child to another state and country to work for 18 days.? Was that in the best interest of the infant, or was it for another reason?

moo

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:12 PM

I know I am not Pia, but IMHO, neither child was in a dangerous envirorment..... low income, yes... But a environment where they were very much loved and to me,love is priceless. I do NOT think Ron would have taken these two sweet, innocent children if he had NO intentions of anything but loving and given them the best possible care he could provide. Being a single parent is not easy even with the help of a extended family....Please don't come back with , he only did it to get Crystal back. because in my very on opinion that is BS...I believe he could have had her back in a heartbeat if he would have put up with her drug abuse. MOO

Lorddddd, How did I miss this....Crystal did go back to be with her children she couldn't put up with him. Why wouldn't he have been able to put up with her drug abuse, but could put up with Misty's weekend drug binge with another man. Do people even realize what they are saying? IMO

Peaches

05-13-2009, 04:12 PM

What abuse investigation by school?
Missed days of school, scam money, no disrespect intended, but those are very far out there.

I am curious about the school thing though. They were investigating abuse?

The school reported NO signs of abuse.

IF.......LE thought Ron, Jr. was in danger, he would NOT be in that house and this is certain.
jmo

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:12 PM

From Bookie's link...(thanks Bookie)

"The department's first priority is child safety," Harrell said. "In any situation we would not allow a child to remain in a home if they were in danger, but that has to be determined."

Thank you to all the thought provoking posters who read up on these things because it's sometimes the only way to have faith in the system.

To believe that ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would leave a child in a situation deemed to be a possible detriment to their survival is against everything I have left to believe in. JMO.

There is always a fall back when LE has information leading them to follow a theory when it comes to protecting children IMO. I don't know an officer of the law who doesn't make children a priority and I'm thankful for that. It's just a matter of wrangling the correct information for a litmus test and I still stand believing what we've read here and that means Misty and Ron can't be the main suspects as some would have us think IMOO. :sneaky:

The mere fact that Junior is still with them tells me LE is not married to one story yet concerning Haleigh and while it gives me hope for Junior it saddens me for his sister's missing status. JMO tho.:crying:

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:12 PM

So bookie are you saying that people that abuse their children hate them and that is why they abuse the children? Not so. People that are like Ron abuse their child. Love nor hate has anything to do with abuse. It is power, control, self centered me type people as well as those that are messed up on chemical abuse and then some with mental problems. The list of abusive personalities are extensive but has nothing to do with love or hate toward their child or spouse.

And you have no proof that Crystal using drugs caused their break up. There is more proof that Ron's is the cause combined with abuse.

MOO

Ummm you do realize the post you quoted was not mine right? I didn't say anything you just attributed to me.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:13 PM

No, don't think so. A recording is only of value to LE in the investigation. Ron is not worth anything to anyone else so that scraps the highest bidder sale. No one would buy it.

One might not buy it, but rest assured they would add to their collection of ways to bash him further.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:14 PM

and she can speak for me.

And you for me X, specially for trying to have people understand with your terrific posts. :thumbsup:

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:14 PM

You can't make an allegation bam bam on a public message board and forbid anyone to respond to it. I disagree about Ron not taking Crystal back due to *drug use*. He convinced her to go back twice.

Now my question to you is, why would a man take a 6 mo old child to another state and country to work for 18 days.? Was that in the best interest of the infant, or was it for another reason?

moo

You can't state as a fact that he convinced her twice EITHER, and that's just LIFE HERE. IMO she gravitates to wherever she wants to be with little regard for what's going on with the children based on reading the court transcripts. JMO tho. :ohmy:

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:15 PM

Ummm you do realize the post you quoted was not mine right? I didn't say anything you just attributed to me.

I get the two of you guys mixed up. Sorry, I did edit the original post to correct and address it to bambam.

Mel

05-13-2009, 04:16 PM

panache

05-13-2009, 04:16 PM

I know, panache, I wasn't taking sides, it's alive and well but the majority of us, whatever we believe, wish it would stop.

Of course it should stop. Last night was a pleasant experience. Everyone gave attention to each others thoughts without rancor. I hated to shut the computor off. No reason why it can't happen daytime too. No one, including myself, has to be right all the time. I'm not here to win, I come here to explore where haleigh is.

moo

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:18 PM

Ummm you do realize the post you quoted was not mine right? I didn't say anything you just attributed to me.

:scared:I think we have a bit of confusion going on somewhere. :wink: JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:18 PM

skip skip skip and scroll
skip skip skip and scroll........

Weren't you the one that posted

Originally Posted by madameX View Post
the MAJORITY of us are tired of all the bashing on both sides, and are willing to take a look at other options on what might have happened. There is enough lack of evidence to make me believe that someone else may have done this crime.

The MAJORITY of us would like to be able to state our theories and opinions without having to constantly defend ourselves, and discuss them in a civilized manner, being open to other people'sperceptions without being brow beaten.

And then you post skip and scroll...........

What is that considered as compared to your post about those that would like to be able to state their theories and opinions with constantly defending themselves and etc......as copies above.

You can't have it both ways. You have to respect others opinions if you want your opinion to be respected.

JMO

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:19 PM

Thank you to all the thought provoking posters who read up on these things because it's sometimes the only way to have faith in the system.

To believe that ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would leave a child in a situation deemed to be a possible detriment to their survival is against everything I have left to believe in. JMO.

There is always a fall back when LE has information leading them to follow a theory when it comes to protecting children IMO. I don't know an officer of the law who doesn't make children a priority and I'm thankful for that. It's just a matter of wrangling the correct information for a litmus test and I still stand believing what we've read here and that means Misty and Ron can't be the main suspects as some would have us think IMOO. :sneaky:

The mere fact that Junior is still with them tells me LE is not married to one story yet concerning Haleigh and while it gives me hope for Junior it saddens me for his sister's missing status. JMO tho.:crying:

It really doesn't matter what it tells you...the fact is they are investigationg. IMO

Tracian

05-13-2009, 04:19 PM

How about Mark Klass. Did LE investigate him for neglect or abuse?

They gave him a lie detector, and questioned him; but Polly was not living with him when she was taken.

The point in this case, is that Jr. lives in the house where his sister was taken, speculation on this board is that DFACS was already investigating Ron, so should that have been the case, LE would have been derelict in their investigation if they did not contact DFACS to see if there was an open investigation or complaints.

LE does interview neighbors, other children in the home, family, they check the home for the condition as well as searching for clues.

It's common sense, that if LE got to the house that the living conditions were questionable, they would have to contact the proper agencies, no different than if someone gets pulled over for speeding, and then discover that a child is not properly secured in the car; they would write a ticket for speeding and a citation for improperly securing a child.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:19 PM

Me too...:biggrinjester:

Backatcha Pia. :thumbsup:

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:21 PM

the bolding is mine........are you saying people don't abuse their spouses or children because they hate them???? Hate is a huge motivator in abuse, IMO

You bet it is Madame. Unfortunately many children suffer abuse because a parent has hatred for a spouse no longer in the picture, sometimes it's because they look like that spouse....:crying: JMO

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:22 PM

I get the two of you guys mixed up. Sorry, I did edit the original post to correct and address it to bambam.

Thank you.

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:25 PM

the bolding is mine........are you saying people don't abuse their spouses or children because they hate them???? Hate is a huge motivator in abuse, IMO

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that abuse has nothing to do with love. Parents that love their children have been known to abuse them. Abusive people do not have a normal concept of love or hate. Their focus is power, control and domination.

Peaches

05-13-2009, 04:27 PM

I'm sorry that you can't explain your own double standards when called on it, madame.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

I do not believe that MadameX has shown double standards at all. She just wants everyone to be kinder to other posters.

jmo

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:28 PM

And she can speak for me as well.

And to you the same :thumbsup:

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:28 PM

i agree - he was never a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR - to me, he is a PUBLIC INSTIGATOR.

AMEN SISTER! :thumbsup:

CANDYKISSES

05-13-2009, 04:29 PM

I do not believe that MadameX has shown double standards at all. She just wants everyone to be kinder to other posters.

jmo

Well stated Peaches. :wub:

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:29 PM

I do not believe that MadameX has shown double standards at all. She just wants everyone to be kinder to other posters.

jmo

How is that accomplished by being rude?

Peaches

05-13-2009, 04:32 PM

The case does not have to be closed for them to remove a child that they feel is in danger. They can remove the child and still investigate. Gee I would hope that they do remove a child in suspected abuse cases FIRST when they have information that shows that child in danger. If DCF suspects his past abuse of these children then it is their responsibility to insure the safety of Jr. NOW not somewhere down the road. Especially with everything going on, tensions arise, anger erupts, wouldn't he be in more danger with someone who is abusing him?

ITA...........you are correct. LE/DCF would NEVER leave a child with anyone if they suspected the child was in danger.

They would remove the child..............and then complete the investigation...............it is done all the time.jmo

Mel

05-13-2009, 04:33 PM

Lorddddd, How did I miss this....Crystal did go back to be with her children she couldn't put up with him. Why wouldn't he have been able to put up with her drug abuse, but could put up with Misty's weekend drug binge with another man. Do people even realize what they are saying? IMO

good point

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:33 PM

I have to disagree, parents who LOVE their children do NOT abuse them...Power,control and domination is a far cry from LOVE..

The world would be a better place if the concept of love were valued more. However, abuse is not love. We all know that. Abusive people are difficult to understand. Every one of them has an excuse and a reason they do what they do. I don't think I ever heard one say they abused their child because they hated their child. Most say they love their child although their abusive actions suggest otherwise.

Mimi428

05-13-2009, 04:34 PM

I think a certain degree of ineptness was surely indicated in the very beginning, as I mentioned before I believe they made a mistake in not warning people in the neighborhood to watch out for an abductor, seems they would have done that anyway, just to cover their bases, no matter what their initial perception of the crime scene was, IMO, they are playing catchup now and probably kicking their selves in the patootie because they thought they had it all in a nice neat package, then realized oops! maybe we overlooked something

INEPT?

I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but there is no way I can believe that the FBI child abduction experts are inept in any way.

And since it has been awhile, I will post the link to their website again. Anyone wishing to can read & come to their own conclusions about the likelihood of ineptness on the part of the investigators.

http://www.fbi.gov/card/

The first few hours after a child is abducted are critical, and that is why we have established the Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) Teams. ...The CARD Teams consist of Crimes Against Children investigators who have in-depth experience in child abduction cases...In addition to their unique expertise, CARD Teams are capable of quickly establishing an on-site command post to centralize investigative efforts and operations. Other assets they bring to the table include a new mapping tool to identify and locate registered sex offenders in the area, national and international lead coverage, and the Child Abduction Response Plan to guide investigative efforts.

Speaking only for myself, I think the likelihood that ALL those personnel were inept is not even slightly plausible.

We don't know all the things they set up & accomplished because every branch of LE working on the case has been extremely tight-lipped. I think if we knew a quarter of what was done, there would not be so much anxiety over thinking they didn't do what they should.

JMO & YMMV

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:34 PM

I have to disagree, parents who LOVE their children do NOT abuse them...Power,control and domination is a far cry from LOVE..
finally I agree with you...and i do feel that is why Crystal left,she couldn't handle the Power ,control and domination he used against her.JMO

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:36 PM

DCF cannot risk that child's life. If they felt he is in danger he would have been removed....as stated by the article posted earlier.

Maybe they will find that Ron is not the best parent, but I don't see how they are going to prove abuse when all these 'witnesses' to it never said a thing about it when it supposedly happened. If there are no injuries and the 'witnesses' (Amber/Naynay/step-grandma/grandpa??) didn't come forward when it happened, how are they going to prove it?
And that is how they get away with it...that is why the investigation is taking so long. JMO

sickntired

05-13-2009, 04:36 PM

thanks...Did you see this video, is it online somewhere? TIA

Yes I saw the video but don't remember where. You can see the video on YouTube, but it doesn't have the conversation/sound...it plays music over top of the conversation. I typed in Ron Cummings Tattoo and it came up.

Mel

05-13-2009, 04:36 PM

And me too.

who!?...lol, i'm trying to catch up, & kept seeing this posted, lol

carlybarly

05-13-2009, 04:36 PM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/#comments

scroll down to

comment, post 209. quite interesting.

Very very interesting post! Thanks for finding it and linking to it! I've heard very little about this guy, I think his name was brought up once or twice in a thread but not enough to know who he was (for me anyway).

dustyk

05-13-2009, 04:39 PM

Alleged "weekend drug binge with another man"
It was never denied now was it? JMO

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:39 PM

Alleged "weekend drug binge with another man"

Alleged? Confirmed by witnesses. Misty has been extended invitations to come out of hiding to refute those "allegations" and she has not done so. It is safe to say that is true.

Owlface

05-13-2009, 04:40 PM

On the other hand, if Ron is covering up a crime either by deliberate action or accident, it would be really stupid to commit another against Jr while under investigation.

Is TN a law enforcement officer?

I believe this is one of the reasons that CPS does not believe Jr is in imminent danger. Not to mention that there are also grandparents in the home watching.

panache

05-13-2009, 04:41 PM

They gave him a lie detector, and questioned him; but Polly was not living with him when she was taken.

The point in this case, is that Jr. lives in the house where his sister was taken, speculation on this board is that DFACS was already investigating Ron, so should that have been the case, LE would have been derelict in their investigation if they did not contact DFACS to see if there was an open investigation or complaints.

LE does interview neighbors, other children in the home, family, they check the home for the condition as well as searching for clues.

It's common sense, that if LE got to the house that the living conditions were questionable, they would have to contact the proper agencies, no different than if someone gets pulled over for speeding, and then discover that a child is not properly secured in the car; they would write a ticket for speeding and a citation for improperly securing a child.

None the less, LE has said they were familar with that address, and DCYF, I believe has said they have conducted investigations in the past. I also read/heard that they were about to look into the family again based on a report from the school. Of course there is no link to that as they keep their investigations closed to the public. A car seat misdemeanor is a far cry from a missing body, I fail to see your analogy.

moo

I kinow Klass took a LD test, so has Ron. LE cleared Klass on his LD, has Ron been cleared by LE on his?

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:41 PM

I believe this is one of the reasons that CPS does not believe Jr is in imminent danger. Not to mention that there are also grandparents in the home watching.

I think so, too.

HouseOfClark

05-13-2009, 04:41 PM

It was never denied now was it? JMO

No, and according to Officer Greenwood (as interviewed by AH), the 3-day party weekend was "confessed to" by Misty.

Now, exactly when she confessed to it is unknown.

JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:42 PM

i agree - he was never a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR - to me, he is a PUBLIC INSTIGATOR.

Perfect example of how I see him. Oh, and might I add his co-horts.

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:42 PM

She can certainly speak for me.

And back at you too bam. :thumbsup:

Owlface

05-13-2009, 04:44 PM

Well if I am wrong then DCF and LE sure have a lot of questions to answer...if they are leaving that baby in such a dangerous environment, they sure are taking a huge risk.....

What are you really trying to post here? From your prior posts I never got the impression that you felt Jr was in danger in Misty and Ron's care.

seeker

05-13-2009, 04:46 PM

This is all. Again, refrain from personal attacks, whether you think of me as a person or a post. I am not personally attacking you as a person, but I do have the right to respond to posts that you have wrote over the many weeks. Isn't that how you are judging Ron, by what you have read??? I apologize if you know him personally.

Originally Posted by bam bam View Post
Great Post and I agree with your perception of "seeker". I once believed her/him to be the seeker of truth.. I now see the same person is the seeker to get a father of two that has raised them to the very best of his ability and is NOT the boogie man seeker is trying, very hard I may add, to make everyone believe he is.
seeker of what???? First message board you have posted on??? Why this case????

To you also I ask: Refrain from personally claiming to know my mind, who I am or what my motivation is.
<bolding of your personal attack>
__________________
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Owlface

05-13-2009, 04:47 PM

I believe the common standard for removal is ~ in the best interest of the child ~. I cannot imagine that being in striking distance of a suspected child killer would be in the best interest of the child. Jr is still there, so I would think DCFS do not have the same concerns as some posters.

Bolding mine - I disagree - "best interest ..." is not the standard. Children can only be removed if they are in imminent danger of being hurt. some would say killed, which is a very high standard.

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:48 PM

No, and according to Officer Greenwood (as interviewed by AH), the 3-day party weekend was "confessed to" by Misty.

Now, exactly when she confessed to it is unknown.

JMO

It's amazing how the police won't discuss this case with the media but will discuss it with Art Harris. Something just doesn't smell right there.

HouseOfClark

05-13-2009, 04:49 PM

theoretically it could have been a tearful confession to her husband, asking for his forgiveness

Yeah, but that only happens on tv.

Not in Mistyland.

JMO

calamitygirl

05-13-2009, 04:50 PM

You can't make an allegation bam bam on a public message board and forbid anyone to respond to it. I disagree about Ron not taking Crystal back due to *drug use*. He convinced her to go back twice.

Now my question to you is, why would a man take a 6 mo old child to another state and country to work for 18 days.? Was that in the best interest of the infant, or was it for another reason?

moo

My bold to address

I may have to borrow that for the future, if you don't mind.

Ron convincing Crystal to come back 2X is from where? Crystal?

As for a parent taking his kids somewhere that you seem to be bothered by, that question can go back to you, IMO. Why would a mother let a 6 mth. old go?

panache

05-13-2009, 04:50 PM

My thoughts exactly. Thank you for wording that so well.
Above anything else right now is my concern for that little girl. Haleigh is the number one here. None of this is about me and I fully recognize that fact. I am more than willing to discuss other peoples thoughts and/or ideas. Not all of us can be right and I am ok with that. I WANT to be wrong. I think some people forget that there is a difference between an argument and a fight. An argument is based on the facts that you use to debate with. A fight is...well we all know what a fight is and it usually most always included emotional rants. JMHO. I have never seen a debate won with emotional rants and I never will. Usually a moderater has to step in when that type of thing occurs...Just saying.

JMO

You always manage to say the right words Patricia. I too, have set aside a lot of rela life personal things to keep abreast of this case. Haven't opened a novel, or perused a magazine in weeks. I'm just so invested in what has happened to this child. I don't want the same that happened to Maddie and Trenton happen to Haleigh.

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:51 PM

Viking my response is in red...

"Haleigh missed so much school that Ronald was close to being thrown in the slammer for it."

Pia that was a claim Crystal made. There has been nothing to back that claim up.

HouseOfClark

05-13-2009, 04:52 PM

It's amazing how the police won't discuss this case with the media but will discuss it with Art Harris. Something just doesn't smell right there.

Art Harris IS the media in this case.

So is TJ Hart.

If those two are asking questions and getting answers and reporting those answers, what is the problem?

Is it that you don't like the answers nor the messengers?

panache

05-13-2009, 04:53 PM

My bold to address

I may have to borrow that for the future, if you don't mind.

Ron convincing Crystal to come back 2X is from where? Crystal?

As for a parent taking his kids somewhere that you seem to be bothered by, that question can go back to you, IMO. Why would a mother let a 6 mth. old go?

Yes calamity, I believe it is from Crystal. Do I believe it? I suppose it does sound plausable, why would Crystal make such a statement and it not be true. There are many on Ron's side of the family that could dispute it, none have to my knowledge.

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:54 PM

Nope. Misty has never said.

I prefer proof or a statement originating from Misty...the one accused. IYKWIM

Until she admits to this 'drug binge', it's alleged in my book.

You, of course can believe as you like....

I guess it will always be alleged in your book then because I don't see Ron or Misty admitting to anything even with strict proof in their face those liars will lie.
They have a motto......admit nothing.

MOO

bookie

05-13-2009, 04:55 PM

Art Harris IS the media in this case.

So is TJ Hart.

If those two are asking questions and getting answers and reporting those answers, what is the problem?

Is it that you don't like the answers nor the messengers?

I disagree. Art Harris and TJ Hart are gossipmongers. They are not media.

The police have come out atleast once and denied something Art claimed they said. We all know Art falsely "reported" Jr was used to lure Ambers son out of the grandmothers apartment. A real reporter verifies facts before running with them.

Mimi428

05-13-2009, 04:56 PM

...I believe he could have had her back in a heartbeat if he would have put up with her drug abuse. MOO

<snipped>

Cheeeeeeeeeeeez Louise!

Put up with?

Good grief, he sure hasn't demonstrated the slightest difficulty putting up with Misty's purported drug use & sexual encounters with a druggie she had just met.

I think Ron might have had Crystal back in a heartbeat if she had been willing to keep forgiving getting smacked around & tolerated how much he liked to play with guns.

JMNVHO

diamond

05-13-2009, 04:57 PM

I disagree. Art Harris and TJ Hart are gossipmongers. They are not media.

The police have come out atleast once and denied something Art claimed they said. We all know Art falsely "reported" Jr was used to lure Ambers son out of the grandmothers apartment. A real reporter verifies facts before running with them.

Did he report it as fact or as a rumor? There are many rumors circulating that are listed at his website. Or was that a post from someone posting on the board that said that.

In any case, the 911 call did not mention JR.