Monday May 11 (3 mos and counting)

[madameX]

Good morning. Three months and counting, now, and no Haleigh for Mother's Day, how very very sad for everyone in this family.

God, please bring Haleigh home. Amen

[Peaches]

Good morning. Three months and counting, now, and no Haleigh for Mother's Day, how very very sad for everyone in this family.

God, please bring Haleigh home. Amen



Thank you X, for this new thread.

I would love to join you with prayers for Haleigh and all who love her.

[Texas48]

Good morning. Three months and counting, now, and no Haleigh for Mother's Day, how very very sad for everyone in this family.

God, please bring Haleigh home. AmenGood morning X...I looked for you over the weekend but I quess you were out and about. I hope you had a great Mother's Day. Here is the start of another week and we are still here waiting on Haleigh to come home. 3 months and counting is sad. Good to see you here.

[n/t]

Good morning. Three months and counting, now, and no Haleigh for Mother's Day, how very very sad for everyone in this family.

God, please bring Haleigh home. Amen

So sad. I can't believe it's 3 months already. :sad:

Where is she? :rose:

[panache]

Good Morning Madame and Everyone else.

I would like to clear up something I posted last night that was erroneous. It was not D. Sapp that went to the Haleighbug Center three times, but another RSO, Snodgrass. I had the names mixed up, and I don't want to add to the confusion this case has already.



mea culpa

moo

[panache]

Snodgrass went there three times??? I read about once, wasn't he trying to donate some office supplies, or furniture?

Yes as far as donating the furniture and office supplies. I did read awhile ago that it was three visits, although I can't say its a fact.

At any rate, Cobra's interview last night was quite compelling and he did seem to clear up a lot of questions, at least some that I had.

moo

[Texas48]

I did, thanks, and hope you did as well, the weather here was brutal Saturday very hot and windy but yesterday was a true gift from a very benevolent Mother Nature. I don't have a computer at home, LOL, or a cell phone......does that make me weird? I sent the computer to my daughter's house so she can keep up with her classes online, and between her and the kids someone is ALWAYS on it!

I am very disturbed by Ron's lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop, as well as some other things. I don't understand why they can't just bring Misty in and charge her with something and hopefully that would make her "break".

Maybe I don't watch enough crime shows on tv, but it seems to me they could do that, couldn't they?
lol X..does not make you weird at all..when I was working that last thing I wanted at home was a cell phone/pager or computer...it was almost 5 years after I retired that I got a home computer and a cell phone. Thank goodness I no longer had a need for a pager.lol... I cannot understand the lies about who picked up Haleigh from the bus that afternoon. I may not be *seeing* something..but why and what would be the reason to lie about that..????? such an innocent question and to me..not really having anything to do with Haleigh missing..WHO picked her up from the bus..? KWIM?..It was a FACT she went to school that Monday and it is a FACT she rode the bus home. where do we go from here?

[Texas48]

Thank you X, for this new thread.

I would love to join you with prayers for Haleigh and all who love her.morning peaches...did not see you yesterday so will tell you today..hope you had a Happy Mother's Day yesterday..and hope we all have a good day today..maybe there will be some news of Haleigh today.

[Peaches]

morning peaches...did not see you yesterday so will tell you today..hope you had a Happy Mother's Day yesterday..and hope we all have a good day today..maybe there will be some news of Haleigh today.

Good Morning Texas48,

Glad to see you today. I, too, hope you had a wonderful day yesterday as well. I all enjoyed Mother's Day with my family........but, I missed my mom on this day because she is no longer with us. It is on this day and many others that I remember how fortunate I was to have loving parents.

I was not here at all during the week-end so I need to play catch up.

Heard/read that Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop. I can not figure out why Ron/Misty and everyone felt the need to not tell the truth about this.

Hopefully, we will hear more today.

Where is Haleigh? Praying this precious baby is indeed safe and will come home.

jmo

[Texas48]

I did, thanks, and hope you did as well, the weather here was brutal Saturday very hot and windy but yesterday was a true gift from a very benevolent Mother Nature. I don't have a computer at home, LOL, or a cell phone......does that make me weird? I sent the computer to my daughter's house so she can keep up with her classes online, and between her and the kids someone is ALWAYS on it!

I am very disturbed by Ron's lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop, as well as some other things. I don't understand why they can't just bring Misty in and charge her with something and hopefully that would make her "break".

Maybe I don't watch enough crime shows on tv, but it seems to me they could do that, couldn't they?I wanted to add to your post about Misty..The only thing I can think LE could *possibly* charge her with would be child neglect..maybe they cant prove she was neglect..?? I quess IF LE could prove Misty was *away* from the home that night and had left the kids alone then they would be able to charge her...so..I am quessing they have not proved she was NOT there..make sense? jmo

[Texas48]

Snodgrass went there three times??? I read about once, wasn't he trying to donate some office supplies, or furniture?wouldn't really want to know what he wanted to *Donate*..if you KWIM??? lol

[Texas48]

Misty picked her up, there are people that are verifyig that. They may have lied because she doesn't have a drivers license? But why didn't Ron pick her up if he was at home when she came home on the bus? What happened between the time she got home w/Misty and Ron went to work?okey dokey X..Misty picked Haleigh up and you have a good explanation ref. the drivers license..not a big deal but maybe Misty felt it was a big enough deal and so the lie was told...I dont see any thing suspicious about Misty picking her up even with Ron being home. Maybe he was getting ready for work..I dont know...NOW..WHAT happened after that is the BIG question. It has been reported a neighbor saw Haleigh outside playing. Then I go to my next question which is..did the neighbor also see Jr. outside with Haleigh? And..has it EVER been reported WHAT TIME that was? The only other piece of info we have is the a/c man WAS THERE. Then we have the debated issue of..IF GGM did stop by and see the kids on the porch???This is where it ends untill 3:27am Tuesday Morning. I have no idea where to go next.

[Texas48]

Good Morning Texas48,

Glad to see you today. I, too, hope you had a wonderful day yesterday as well. I all enjoyed Mother's Day with my family........but, I missed my mom on this day because she is no longer with us. It is on this day and many others that I remember how fortunate I was to have loving parents.

I was not here at all during the week-end so I need to play catch up.

Heard/read that Misty picked up Haleigh at the bus stop. I can not figure out why Ron/Misty and everyone felt the need to not tell the truth about this.

Hopefully, we will hear more today.

Where is Haleigh? Praying this precious baby is indeed safe and will come home.

jmoyou will be able to catch up quickly..lol..I also was fortunate to have fantastic parents/family. I am still blessed in my life with great kids and great grandkids/family members and beloved friends. I have NO complaints about my life..only blessings. My mother passed away 6 years ago..ON Mother's Day. Some sad thoughts but the good/fun memories of her always gets me through. That is how we ALL spent Mother's Day yesterday was laughing and telling stories of the past. Even my grandkids had stories to tell of their GGM and stories they told about their GM..me. we had lots of laughs. enough of my personal life..boring to many and what we are here for is Haleigh. I had lots of thoughts about the sadness Crystal had to be going through and also of the MANY MOTHERS that had lost a child..through illness or through crime. Last night I closed my eyes and tried to imagine the pain so many parents live with and just could NOT do it and pray I never KNOW their pain.

[?noanswer]

okey dokey X..Misty picked Haleigh up and you have a good explanation ref. the drivers license..not a big deal but maybe Misty felt it was a big enough deal and so the lie was told...I dont see any thing suspicious about Misty picking her up even with Ron being home. Maybe he was getting ready for work..I dont know...NOW..WHAT happened after that is the BIG question. It has been reported a neighbor saw Haleigh outside playing. Then I go to my next question which is..did the neighbor also see Jr. outside with Haleigh? And..has it EVER been reported WHAT TIME that was? The only other piece of info we have is the a/c man WAS THERE. Then we have the debated issue of..IF GGM did stop by and see the kids on the porch???This is where it ends untill 3:27am Tuesday Morning. I have no idea where to go next.

The only verification that we have for Misty picking Haleigh up at bus stop is from Cobra. I hope he is not putting false information out there to help the custody hearing. Surely DFS will check with law enforcement and get their side. As to the other questions you posed, there is nothing that has been verified by LE, most of the information is from posters, bloggers, and the media. LE has told very little. JMO

[?noanswer]

you know I have read a couple of times recently that the washing machine was running when LE arrived, but that wasn't the case early on, I was surprised by reading it and figured it was an error in reporting. There is no way Misty could have gone to bed when she said she did and the washer still be running when LE got there, washers don't run that long. So if the washer was running, someone had to have been up what? about 30 minutes previous to that? to start it. And why do laundry at that time of the morning????

I think the washing machine running at 10:00 came from sources other than LE. There has been so much information posted, (not veried by LE) that it is hard to separate the fact from fiction. JMO

[?noanswer]

yes makes sense to me. but I still think they should charge her with SOMETHING, I feel like she would crumble like a stale cake if they actually took her into custody.

CA didn't. Then LE's hands were tied and they could not question her anymore. If Misty is involved, then in time it will all come out. I don't want LE to do anything that would comprimise the case. If they don't charge her with something major, she will be out on bail and free from LE questioning her anymore. JMO

[Mimi428]

The only verification that we have for Misty picking Haleigh up at bus stop is from Cobra. I hope he is not putting false information out there to help the custody hearing. Surely DFS will check with law enforcement and get their side. As to the other questions you posed, there is nothing that has been verified by LE, most of the information is from posters, bloggers, and the media. LE has told very little. JMO

I don't believe Cobra could affect any custody hearing one way or another. It's not as if he would be called to testify at the hearing. He couldn't even if he & half the planet wanted him to testify. He might be able to find the people who said they saw Misty pick up Haleigh, might be able to find people who swear they saw Ron backhand either or both of the kids - but those people would have to testify.

JMO

[?noanswer]

[quote=Mimi428;13092212]I don't believe Cobra could affect any custody hearing one way or another. It's not as if he would be called to testify at the hearing. He couldn't even if he & half the planet wanted him to testify. He might be able to find the people who said they saw Misty pick up Haleigh, might be able to find people who swear they saw Ron backhand either or both of the kids - but those people would have to testify.



I didn't think he would testify, I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion. JMO

[Peaches]

you will be able to catch up quickly..lol..I also was fortunate to have fantastic parents/family. I am still blessed in my life with great kids and great grandkids/family members and beloved friends. I have NO complaints about my life..only blessings. My mother passed away 6 years ago..ON Mother's Day. Some sad thoughts but the good/fun memories of her always gets me through. That is how we ALL spent Mother's Day yesterday was laughing and telling stories of the past. Even my grandkids had stories to tell of their GGM and stories they told about their GM..me. we had lots of laughs. enough of my personal life..boring to many and what we are here for is Haleigh. I had lots of thoughts about the sadness Crystal had to be going through and also of the MANY MOTHERS that had lost a child..through illness or through crime. Last night I closed my eyes and tried to imagine the pain so many parents live with and just could NOT do it and pray I never KNOW their pain.


Texas, Thanks for sharing. I enjoy reading about other people's memories...........especially their happy ones.

Most of the talk yesterday was about the trip all my children/grandchildren are planning for Disney World. The grandbabies are so excited that their cousins are going to be there at the same time they are.

Of course...........a little time for taking trips down memory lane. My son especially thought my mom hung the moon and that she was indeed one super person. One of the things they talked about yesterday was how happy they were when they were taller than their grandmother...........now, they realize it was nothing to brag about. She was not quit 5' tall.

Anyway..............Where is Haleigh?

Who is responsible for her being gone?

My thoughts go to school being out and more children being unsupervised............now sad.

jmo

[Peaches]

I think the washing machine running at 10:00 came from sources other than LE. There has been so much information posted, (not veried by LE) that it is hard to separate the fact from fiction. JMO

Most electrical companies want people to wash during the night........

[Mimi428]

okey dokey X..Misty picked Haleigh up and you have a good explanation ref. the drivers license..not a big deal but maybe Misty felt it was a big enough deal and so the lie was told...I dont see any thing suspicious about Misty picking her up even with Ron being home. Maybe he was getting ready for work..I dont know...NOW..WHAT happened after that is the BIG question. It has been reported a neighbor saw Haleigh outside playing. Then I go to my next question which is..did the neighbor also see Jr. outside with Haleigh? And..has it EVER been reported WHAT TIME that was? The only other piece of info we have is the a/c man WAS THERE. Then we have the debated issue of..IF GGM did stop by and see the kids on the porch???This is where it ends untill 3:27am Tuesday Morning. I have no idea where to go next.

Ths reminds me of the saying...

It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

I think LE would have made it very plain to Ron, Misty, Teresa, Annette, Crystal, Chad & everyone they spoke to that they did not give a d@mn about such picayune matters as who had a driver's license when trying to figure out how a 5-year old went missing from her bed.

I have to ask myself, if I were facing LE & being questioned about Haleigh, would it be more important to me to tell them everything I could possibly think of - or would it be more important for me to lie about picking her up at the bus stop because I didn't have a driver's license.

Why would Ron be MORE concerned about the potential that Misty could be ticketed for driving without a license that he would be concerned with making sure LE had the most accurate facts to start with? Same question for Teresa. There is just no way I can believe lying for Misty over a license is more important.

I think LE wanted to know, with as much clarity they could find, who was around Haleigh the past hours before she was reported missing. Whoever the person was who picked her up - that person could have potentially critical information - that person would be able to say if strange people were also at the bus stop or in the area, if Haleigh or the other kids looked or acted differently that day, etc.

Same as the fight/no fight over a gun/no gun story between Ron & Misty's cousin that was reported early on. IF Ron had been in a fight or argument - that is another thing could also be important. Misty says he was. Teresa originally said he was. Then along comes Ron & says, "nope, didn't happen" - & Teresa & Misty withdrew what they previously said.

There are too many instances in which it appears that 'pretty' lies have been told about Ron & Misty & their whereabouts by Ron's family. I don't know why they have been doing that, but I sure can't think of any reason that would be good.

Hate to bring up things NG typically says, but it sure does seem like the Cummings family is using a h#ll of a lot of lipstick.

JMO

[Mimi428]

I think the washing machine running at 10:00 came from sources other than LE. There has been so much information posted, (not veried by LE) that it is hard to separate the fact from fiction. JMO

I must have heard/read a different version, because the way I recall it, the washing machine was running when LE arrived after Misty called 911 - IOW, after 3:30 in the morning.

[Texas48]

The only verification that we have for Misty picking Haleigh up at bus stop is from Cobra. I hope he is not putting false information out there to help the custody hearing. Surely DFS will check with law enforcement and get their side. As to the other questions you posed, there is nothing that has been verified by LE, most of the information is from posters, bloggers, and the media. LE has told very little. JMO
I know this all too well noanswer..lol..I am only going by what has been said/posted/bloggers/media..I know none of this info is FACT..I was just trying out different senerios and such. The ONLY thing I know for a FACT is the time of the 911 call...3:27am..I dont believe I will ever forget that time. As for DFS..I HOPE and I do believe they will check out everything and that includes speaking with LE. They can not afford to miss the tinest detail with this case..There are many *eyes* on their agency..jmo

[Mimi428]

Most electrical companies want people to wash during the night........

At 3 & 4 a.m., the electric company can want, want, want to their hearts' content. But I'm not getting up in the middle of the night to start the washing machine unless there are some dire consequences for not doing so.

And if, as reported by Misty, she woke up & saw a light on in the kitchen & went to see why & saw the back doors open & then went & found the 5-year old was missing - why in the world would that create the notion in her brain that it was time to start the washing machine?

[?noanswer]

I know this all too well noanswer..lol..I am only going by what has been said/posted/bloggers/media..I know none of this info is FACT..I was just trying out different senerios and such. The ONLY thing I know for a FACT is the time of the 911 call...3:27am..I dont believe I will ever forget that time. As for DFS..I HOPE and I do believe they will check out everything and that includes speaking with LE. They can not afford to miss the tinest detail with this case..There are many *eyes* on their agency..jmo


I'm glad I am not in their shoes. Course they have the ability to question people and hopefully get to the bottom of everything. I'm beginning to wonder now if the players can keep their stories straight. If they read message boards/blogs they might start to doubt their own recollection of what happened!!! There seems to be at least 2 versions of evey sceniaro, but which if any, is correct. JMO

[Texas48]

I must have heard/read a different version, because the way I recall it, the washing machine was running when LE arrived after Misty called 911 - IOW, after 3:30 in the morning.you read/heard right Mimi..it was on AH site at first of the case and I want to say the info came from the police report..I do not have the link but I do think I wrote the date and where it could be found and I will look for it. I do know it was there as I read it several times..

[?noanswer]

I don't doubt that the washer was running at 10pm, but I was questioning why it was running when LE got there, at 3:30am or so??? Misty did say she did laundry, so 10pm makes sense, but not 3:30am

I miswrote when I wrote 10:00 PM. I meant to say at the time LE arrived. My bad. JMO

[?noanswer]

exactly the point I was trying to make. and did LE take the contents of the washer?


One would think LE took everything that could possibly provide a clue to this mystery. JMO

[Mimi428]

I miswrote when I wrote 10:00 PM. I meant to say at the time LE arrived. My bad. JMO

Not to worry, not to worry. Seems like everything about this case is confusing. I just wish the family wasn't the source of the confusion.

It really disturbs me to contemplate why it would be more important to them to create pretty stories about how Ron & Misty were Daddy & Step-Mommy Extraordinaire, rather than divulge the little details that actually matter for figuring out a reasonable timeline, who last was around & saw Haleigh, etc.

JMO

[Mimi428]

ok LOL, so as Mimi said Misty got up, saw Haleigh missing, the door open, the light on........and she starts laundry??? TN said in the first walk thru of the house ever that there was always laundry piled on the floor in front of the washer. If there was always laundry piled on the floor in front of the washer how did someone open the door from the outside?

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And...if clothes were piled on the floor in front of the back door - it would stand to reason that the person who took Haleigh out the back door might have stepped on them. Perhaps left evidence on them - like from the bottom of their shoes. Dirt can be analyzed, we have all seen other cases where forensic tests were done on dirt found in one location or another. IF Misty picked up clothes off the floor & put them in the washing machine - she would be disturbing the arrangement of the clothes & disturbing any trace evidence that might be recovered from whatever clothes were on the floor.

WHY would she do that?

[titanfan217]

I must have heard/read a different version, because the way I recall it, the washing machine was running when LE arrived after Misty called 911 - IOW, after 3:30 in the morning.


That's what I heard also, but have never seen any proof either way. Read somewhere that it was in LE report but that page is "missing". Read on another site today that it was false, but nothing about how that was determined.

Don't know why anyone would care if it running at 10 o'clock. I've done that before and even started an emergency load (sick cat) about midnight. But if I just got up at 3 o'clock, found someone missing, made a 911 call, don't think starting laundry would be on my list of things to do.

[?noanswer]

ok LOL, so as Mimi said Misty got up, saw Haleigh missing, the door open, the light on........and she starts laundry??? TN said in the first walk thru of the house ever that there was always laundry piled on the floor in front of the washer. If there was always laundry piled on the floor in front of the washer how did someone open the door from the outside?

And why did Jr show Cobra how to pile cinder blocks in fron of his hotel room door, if Ron said he didn't know where the cinder blocks at his house came from, and acted like he didn't know they were there? None of this makes any more sense than it did from the beginning.


You are correct, nothing makes any sense. Maybe when the true story comes out, it will. Just a note: I still haven't decided how many of the stories I believe that Cobra tells. JMO

[?noanswer]

Not to worry, not to worry. Seems like everything about this case is confusing. I just wish the family wasn't the source of the confusion.

It really disturbs me to contemplate why it would be more important to them to create pretty stories about how Ron & Misty were Daddy & Step-Mommy Extraordinaire, rather than divulge the little details that actually matter for figuring out a reasonable timeline, who last was around & saw Haleigh, etc.

JMO

I don't know if they are doing it on purpose of if their thought process is that convoluted. JMO

[titanfan217]

It may have been discipline that went too far or Haleigh got into something (like drugs) and died as a result.

The potential drugs is the one I keep going back to. RC seemed to be surprised that JR was okay, which would fit if Haleigh found something and though it was candy. And I'd be surprised if JR doesn't like candy.

[panache]

That is my understanding also. I sure wish the LE would confirm or deny this.
The whole blanket story has bothered me from the start.
Here are a couple of my questions...

!. Why was Misty and Ron's blanket in the van and when exactly was it placed there?

2. Do they have only one blanket for Haleigh, one for Ron and Misty's bed and then the one that was on the window? (Most parents have multiple blankets available especially when the child wets the bed.)

3. Did Jr have a blanket? If so where is his blanket?

4. If there was pee on the blanket anyone would reasonably assume there was pee on the bed sheet also so why wasn't the bed sheet washed?

I dunno but this is so wishy washy (no pun intended) that it causes me to question the whole blanket story.
JMO

I have a burning question about the sheets. Why did LE choose the sheets to have the search dogs sniff, and not a personal item of Haleigh's. It sounds like those sheets were compromised by everyone sleeping who knows where. Seems odd to me to make that selection. Everyone in that household may have had DNA on those sheets.

moo

[panache]

heck when my kids were young running the washer at 10pm was commonplace, but not at 3am, especially in a home where you were likely to be able to hear the washer thru the whole house. And not when you are calling 911 to report a missing child, unless she had something to hide, IMO

Especially when Misty was going to use the other bathroom as to not disturb the children. An excuse said by Teresa, or Gram Sykes. Can't remember which.

moo

[?noanswer]

I was originally leaning towards the discipline theory, but really find it hard to believe when all is said and done that either one of them would intentionally hurt a small child that bad, but it could have been just a slap that caused her to fall and say hit her head, or it could have been a blow to the head and she died in her sleep. Perhaps Misty woke up and Haleigh was dead, and Misty put 2+2 together and went yikes! I didn't think I hit her that hard! and then went running around hiding the body and covering any tracks, like dirt off her feet/shoes coming back in the door after taking Haleigh out. But getting into some drugs she found laying around is also plausible, in either case, I think Haleigh really went to sleep, she just didn't wake up. Or maybe the drugs were intentionally administered to make Haleigh go to sleep, and it was an overdose.

Getting some drugs seems more plausible to me than having to do all the cleanup you mentioned above. I just don't think anyone could get rid of every bit of evidence. It also doesn't seem to me that Misty could have gotten rid of a body without some help. Unless LE is not saying anything about evidence they might have found, I find it hard to believe some one could clean up that good from anything. I know Melanie McGuire did, but she did too good of a job and I think she had much more time. It baffles me as to why noone saw anything or that there is no evidence. JMO

[Mimi428]

Hi Mimi

Hope you enjoyed the weekend.

You just described why I'm suspicious of Ron Misty, TN and GGS. The constant lying and covering up is hindering LE and I can't think of one good reason for it other than one or more had something to do with her disappearance.

Hi Tiffany,

:seeya:

The most alarming thing to me regarding the family, is that there does not appear to be any reason whatsoever to have to create ANY pretty stories for Ron. According to him, he was at work. Fine. So let's say he was at work...

WHY, then, would it be necessary to deny the story of Ron getting in a fight/argument with someone over a gun? THAT story would actually give credibility to the idea that someone had a grudge against Ron & may have taken Haleigh as a way to hurt him.

WHY would it be necessary to say that Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop & that they had a tender scene overflowing with father/daughter love & affection, where she hugs & kisses him & bids him a fond farewell as he goes off to earn his daily bread & tells him she will see him when he gets back home?

WHY would the family indicate that Haleigh even said such a thing, when by all reason she should be fast asleep when he came in from work? Ron himself indicated it was unusual for Misty to be awake when he got in from work, would it not also be unusual for Haleigh to be awake when he got home?

If Ron has such a rock-solid answer for his whereabouts on the night Haleigh went missing - why create ANY pretty stories for & about him?

And if we could ever figure that out, we still have to wonder why they would create pretty stories for & about Misty.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Hi Tiffany,

:seeya:

The most alarming thing to me regarding the family, is that there does not appear to be any reason whatsoever to have to create ANY pretty stories for Ron. According to him, he was at work. Fine. So let's say he was at work...

WHY, then, would it be necessary to deny the story of Ron getting in a fight/argument with someone over a gun? THAT story would actually give credibility to the idea that someone had a grudge against Ron & may have taken Haleigh as a way to hurt him.

WHY would it be necessary to say that Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop & that they had a tender scene overflowing with father/daughter love & affection, where she hugs & kisses him & bids him a fond farewell as he goes off to earn his daily bread & tells him she will see him when he gets back home?

WHY would the family indicate that Haleigh even said such a thing, when by all reason she should be fast asleep when he came in from work? Ron himself indicated it was unusual for Misty to be awake when he got in from work, would it not also be unusual for Haleigh to be awake when he got home?

If Ron has such a rock-solid answer for his whereabouts on the night Haleigh went missing - why create ANY pretty stories for & about him?

And if we could ever figure that out, we still have to wonder why they would create pretty stories for & about Misty.

JMO

The only reason one would create a fictional scenario would be to hide the truth. Hopefully, LE could verify Ron's location and times that he was there. Hopefully, if Misty was away from the home, someone saw her and will come forward. This is just a total mess that I cannot understand. JMO

[?noanswer]

I've got to say, guys, it's not looking good for either Ron or Misty. Especially not now, that they have dummied up. They haven't even tried publically to repair their reputations, or stem the criticism. After being in the public light so many times, we never "see" them anymore. I would think that they would become even more public, spreading the word that Haleigh is still missing, etc.


I'm sure that the lawyer has told them to be quite. The lawyer is looking at it from the custody standpoint. Get thru that and then on to the next thing. JMO

[Mimi428]

I have a burning question about the sheets. Why did LE choose the sheets to have the search dogs sniff, and not a personal item of Haleigh's. It sounds like those sheets were compromised by everyone sleeping who knows where. Seems odd to me to make that selection. Everyone in that household may have had DNA on those sheets.

moo


I just can't recall clearly at the moment what has been reported as the item the search dogs were given to get Haleigh's scent, but for some reason I thought it was items of clothing.

ITA with you that with all of them sleeping on the same sheets, it wouldn't make sense to use them to give the search dogs a scent.

JMO

[panache]

I thought it was clothing too, doesn't make sense that it was the sheet

Wasn't one of the first media releases saying the sheets were covering the ramp? I seem to recall something like that. One of the photos showed something laying on that ramp. I wish we had the early links still avaliable here.

[Mimi428]

I wish they would just take her into the station and say "we know you did it", make up a plausible scenario and watch her fall apart and admit to doing something to Haleigh.

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I don't think she would fall apart.

I think Misty is hard as nails & I don't think she scares easily.

But I also think that if LE ever has anything to actually charge her with, she won't go alone, she will make sure she takes somebody with her.

I don't know why Ron's family would (potentially) lie for him, but I do know that families will do that. It is actually not uncommon. But why they would do the same for Misty is what really stymies me. The only reason I can think of that makes any sense is that they believe they HAVE to, because if they don't, it will reflect badly on Ron.

Perfect example is the story that Junior saw a man in the house. Why in heaven's name would Ron & his family scoff at such a story when it actually solidifies the notion that someone came into the house & took Haleigh??!! I really don't get that. Misty & Ron claim someone came in & stole his child. Junior says he saw someone in the house. You would think Ron, Teresa & Annette would say - "YES! That MUST be it!" FGS, it SUPPORTS their own story.

But what do they do? Roll their eyes & denigrate the idea that Junior could have seen someone in the house. WTH??? By doing that, they are refuting the very story they previously promoted - that someone came in the house & took Haleigh.

Boggles the mind.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I'm curious if you recall where you had heard that about using the clothing?
I've always thought it wsa the sheets that they had used. Something about them being drug down the back door exit ramp or some such thing.


I remember sheets too. I also remember that LE said that the wind was blowing hard and that the scent might have been from the wind blowing it toward the water. Course other posters have looked the weather conditions up on wunderground and it didn't show the wind blowing. Just another "inconsistency". It is getting almost impossible to keep all the different things straight. Re someone's post above about AH requests for pictures. Either there are no pictures or someone is holding out for the highest bidder!!! Last night on the radio show, there was a time that AH and Cobra kinda had different thoughts about something, but there was some hemhawing around it and I didn't understand what it was about. JMO

[Texas48]

I was originally leaning towards the discipline theory, but really find it hard to believe when all is said and done that either one of them would intentionally hurt a small child that bad, but it could have been just a slap that caused her to fall and say hit her head, or it could have been a blow to the head and she died in her sleep. Perhaps Misty woke up and Haleigh was dead, and Misty put 2+2 together and went yikes! I didn't think I hit her that hard! and then went running around hiding the body and covering any tracks, like dirt off her feet/shoes coming back in the door after taking Haleigh out. But getting into some drugs she found laying around is also plausible, in either case, I think Haleigh really went to sleep, she just didn't wake up. Or maybe the drugs were intentionally administered to make Haleigh go to sleep, and it was an overdose.Your first thought/opinion was my first thought too X..Maybe a slap or a *yank* that was just too hard. Haleigh coulld have fallen and struck her head and the fall killed her..There did NOT have to be any blood or any signs of a struggle..An accident..nothing more..IF this is what happened then the crime is NOT calling 911 for help..the crime is the cover up..the crime is disposing of her little body *somewhere*. These are my opinions and thoughts..not FACT..and I dont just have one *WHAT HAPPENED*..there are many. the one I lean to is an unidentified SO..a SO that knows the family..maybe even a member of the family...or a SO that is part of the drug gangs down there. I do not know what to think anymore because I have played all the *maybes* through my mind way too many times.Just makes me more:confused:.lol

[panache]

I think they are, too, and am glad Art and Cobra are still bringing attention to little Haleigh

If not for them we wouldn't hear a bleep about this case, so Kudos to them.

moo

[dustyk]

what does any of this have to do with what i asked?
why is it ok for Crystal to lawyer up but not Ron and Misty?
and just so you know i'm NOT on Ron or Misty's side. I think Ron should be in jail for sleeping with a minor and i think Misty should be in jail for a multitude of different things. With that being said i really don't see Crystal doing much to help find her baby, instead she's playing the blame game.

I think ultimately Misty's to blame for Haleigh being missing. Why she's not telling the truth is beyond me. and Ron should be ashamed of himself for marrying her.



MOO
What do you mean by "Blame Game"? She is at the haleighbug center as much as she can be. Remember she has been having seizures? She is probably taking some meds for them. If I were Crystal, especially after having to hear from a judge that her children were going to continue to live with Ron and knowing his lifestyle, he still gets custody. I would be blaming a whole lot of people, I think that is why KP is representing her...IMO

[titanfan217]

Hi Tiffany,

:seeya:

The most alarming thing to me regarding the family, is that there does not appear to be any reason whatsoever to have to create ANY pretty stories for Ron. According to him, he was at work. Fine. So let's say he was at work...

WHY, then, would it be necessary to deny the story of Ron getting in a fight/argument with someone over a gun? THAT story would actually give credibility to the idea that someone had a grudge against Ron & may have taken Haleigh as a way to hurt him.

WHY would it be necessary to say that Ron picked up Haleigh from the bus stop & that they had a tender scene overflowing with father/daughter love & affection, where she hugs & kisses him & bids him a fond farewell as he goes off to earn his daily bread & tells him she will see him when he gets back home?

WHY would the family indicate that Haleigh even said such a thing, when by all reason she should be fast asleep when he came in from work? Ron himself indicated it was unusual for Misty to be awake when he got in from work, would it not also be unusual for Haleigh to be awake when he got home?

If Ron has such a rock-solid answer for his whereabouts on the night Haleigh went missing - why create ANY pretty stories for & about him?

And if we could ever figure that out, we still have to wonder why they would create pretty stories for & about Misty.

JMO


It might be because of all the extra (not sure I call them pretty) stories but my issues with RC and work is that even if it was at work, he doesn't mean that he wasn't indirectly involved.

To be fair, I will say the same thing about CS, but other than vague comments about the time she got to RC's home, there hasn't been the drama about her regarding that night, and that is the night in question.

I do question if it's true that none of the family's homes were searched. Not only CS, but her parents, MC's family, etc.

I may have missed it last night 'cause I went to bed shortly after it came up, but where was the trampoline?


K, everyone, I'm frustrated again. I want answers. "Luckily" I have a lawn of grass that needs cutting and is going to get wacked.

[Texas48]

LOL you are just itching for me to bring up Chad Reynolds again, aren't you?LOL..lol..X..after I posted I went to the link section and was looking at many links and of course..there was the link to CR..I did start laughing and when I came back your is the first post I came to and now I'm laughing all over again.. Oh My..

[titanfan217]

I read about the trampoline never saw one not even in the first vid of the house. LOL need any help? I feel like getting on a riding mower and knocking some stuff down


No riding mower here. It's exercise and frustration relief at its best.

Actually, this lawn is borderline and a riding lawn mower would be nice but I'm planning to move 200+ miles away and that would be another major item to move, and not knowing whether the next place needs one, consider it an added expense.

[panache]

I read about the trampoline never saw one not even in the first vid of the house. LOL need any help? I feel like getting on a riding mower and knocking some stuff down

What was that thing leaning against the wall in Haleigh's room? Could that not be a trampoline that collapses?

[CANDYKISSES]

<snipped>

I don't know why Ron's family would (potentially) lie for him, but I do know that families will do that. It is actually not uncommon. But why they would do the same for Misty is what really stymies me. The only reason I can think of that makes any sense is that they believe they HAVE to, because if they don't, it will reflect badly on Ron.

Perfect example is the story that Junior saw a man in the house. Why in heaven's name would Ron & his family scoff at such a story when it actually solidifies the notion that someone came into the house & took Haleigh??!! I really don't get that. Misty & Ron claim someone came in & stole his child. Junior says he saw someone in the house. You would think Ron, Teresa & Annette would say - "YES! That MUST be it!" FGS, it SUPPORTS their own story.

But what do they do? Roll their eyes & denigrate the idea that Junior could have seen someone in the house. WTH??? By doing that, they are refuting the very story they previously promoted - that someone came in the house & took Haleigh.

Boggles the mind.

JMO

Mimi, have you ever allowed yourself to think about how long Junior was with them after the alleged abduction? Do you really think anyone would believe that wild story simply came out of nowhere?

My money says LE was well aware of Greg long before Kim and Cobra were, and they had done their job. Given that, it means WBG was more than likely discussed within the Cummings family as Misty would have been on the hot seat.

So Junior and the man in black err black man in black.... with the squeaky sounds would definitely come across as something cooked up by the Crystal Camp IMO.

We forget that the Cummings family has watched Crystal morph a few stories before; between the almost drowning, to the back and forth about how things went down in the relationship to the false reporting. So in my estimation, the family knew whatever Junior had said in the first weeks, either by their own questioning or if they were honest, by what an expert within LE was able to get from him. THAT is JMO, but I didn't believe the story when Geraldo was trying to put it out there either, and went instantly to Crystal gathering GOSSIP from within the COMMUNITY and questioning Junior herself. JMO and nothing more. :unsure:

I THINK we have seen the results of the people who put the trash out there to help LE chase their own tails around in a circle. Kind of like all the people who were coming to tell LE they saw Misty out that night. Kind of like when it was alleged WBG would be telling LE he and Misty were out together that night. Kind of like when Junior was allegedly going to lure a child out of his third floor apartment at 10 PM, but not so much when push came to shove.

SO AGAIN, I would have been angry, appalled and disgusted by the way Junior was used and likely would not have believed a word of the garbage coming out on Geraldo. :cursing:

ALL JMO.

[dustyk]

blame game is the abuse stuff. why did she take that kind of info to the media? do you feel like it's HELPED to find Haleigh?

and yes i'm fully aware she's been having seizures since the day BEFORE haleigh went missing. I wonder why the HBC has been closed the past couple of weeks. Is Crystal the ONLY one working there? No family or friends want to fill in for her while she's sick?

What is Ron's LIFESTYLE? I'm confused........Let's not forget right now Crystals living with a man that had a PO from his ex wife and their children and has a drug conviction and now he has custody of his children. So it's ok for him to have his children with a bad track record but not Ron?



MOO
I was wondering if Crystal was the only one working there also...Where is Ron or Misty or TN etc.....There were invited by KP to distribute flyers I am sure they wouldn't mind them helping at the center. If you are confused by Ronald's lifestyle you haven't read his rap sheet.JMO

[Texas48]

I know you feel like people don't understand what you are saying FA. I read your posts and I keep what you are saying in the back of my mind. At the same time I am considering how LE is keeping everything VERY close to the vest and I have to trust that they already have enough evidence to exclude Crystal at this point.
If Ron and Misty are responsible their defense attorney would love you.
If they are not responsible then your right but we all have to go with what we are hearing and observing and right now my observation shows me that Crystal is not high on their list of suspects.
Why? I don't know. They aren't telling us much of anything.
They must have their reasons for that.

I still appreciate your opinions regardless.Bolded is where the problem is imo. we all read different blogs and hear rumors and this is what each of us have to go on. No FACTS..so..then there is observation which is again an individuals way of *seeing* the players in this case. some find Ron and all suspicious..others find Crystal and all to be suspicious. That ALL leads me to TRY and be respectful of all opinions.

[Mimi428]

Excellent post Mimi, as usual. Just wanted to point out that if they really wanted to avoid trouble, Ron wouldn't have claimed Haleigh rode on his lap and drove the car (steering wheel) home.


<snipped>

I forgot all about that. And I think you are exactly right, if Ron was so unconcerned enough about telling that he let Haleigh sit on his lap & 'drive', he would not have been freaked out over the possibility that Misty could get a ticket for driving w/o a license if he admitted that SHE was the one who picked up Haleigh from the bus stop - not him.

I just don't believe the story of who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop was altered out of fear that Misty would get a ticket.

JMO

[titanfan217]

So Junior and the man in black err black man in black.... with the squeaky sounds would definitely come across as something cooked up by the Crystal Camp IMO.

ALL JMO.

Sniped.

Since JR spends more of his time with the "Ron Camp", it coud have just as easily come from something he heard there.

Just because he supposedly told his mommy that doesn't mean it didn't start from something he heard elsewhere.

[titanfan217]

Another did I dream this?

Did anyone see MC's ms page when it was briefly open?

If so, did you see anything about nobody's going to break her?







Break over -- back to wacking grass. I'll be back later with at least a couple more questions.

Don't you love my mowing days?

[panache]

I was searching for the sheets on the ramp and came across Misty talking again. Geesh, she sure has the script down pat by the time of this interview, she doesn't miss a beat. Well rehearsed, Imo, I didn't notice the first time around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRBKC4xW-iw

[CANDYKISSES]

yes ma'am i just said i would go find it........

article is ..Haleigh Cummings: Daddy’s Girl Got Attitude!

and i'm going find the comment there are 398 to go through

I'm even more disappointed and sickened with the likes of Cobra after getting halfway through the new interview with blogger news.....barf

Just when you think the carnival acts can't go any lower, they dive down and surprise you....:cursing:

JMO.

That poor baby still doesn't stand a chance if this is what we are counting on to find her from my perspective.

[panache]

Are Crystal or Ron's attorneys criminal attorneys?
IIRC they both practice family law.
Correct?

Point is, all of them are allowed to cooperate and answer LE questions until they hire a criminal layer. Right?

Or am I confused... do all lawyers in whatever practice they bill for.... suggest silence for clients? :confused:

Looks like Ron's attys. practice Criminal Law

http://www.kimballsniderlaw.com/

[JackiBlu]

well i'm not sure he was serious about it BUT he said it and i'm just talking about what Art wrote about. In no way was i trying to slander anyone.

i find it funny people on here every day talk about Ron buying a truck and tattoo's with donations with NO proof but you don't say that's slanderous lol


MOO

There has to be a reason Amber turned herself back into jail to get out from under Cobra's hold on her. So why would she turn herself back in if Cobra wasn't asking her to do things and who knows what he was asking.


JMO

[?noanswer]

There has to be a reason Amber turned herself back into jail to get out from under Cobra's hold on her. So why would she turn herself back in if Cobra wasn't asking her to do things and who knows what he was asking.


JMO


Good point. Why would anyone want to go back to a jail cell? It's telling that someone was so afraid that they would volunteer to be incarcerated. JMO

[?noanswer]

Looks like Ron's attys. practice Criminal Law

http://www.kimballsniderlaw.com/

I don't think they do the big stuff like murder & such. Just drugs, DWI's and such. JMO

[Texas48]

Well you know Texas48 that is all fine and good since it is the truth but for the life of me I cannot figure out why or where people can start attacking others or questioning "everyone" for something someone heard, read or observed somewhere.
See this is the way I am looking at this whole thing. With the differing opinions it is attempting to cover all bases. When people take offence then it becomes a whole seperate issue to deal with on the boards.

Questioning "everyone" begs for some type of argument when not "everyone" has the opposing opinion.

JMHO but covering all bases seems like a good thing to me and if people can prove my own personal theories incorrect then I am happy about that since my theories all lead to a very sad and unnacceptable outcome.did not think or realize I was attacking anyone for their opinion Patricia. and I was NOT questioning anyone and I am one that enjoys ALL opinions and theroies. so..if that is how you took my post then you need to read many of my post and re-think. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

So if you TOTALLY AGREE why are you posting things about what Cobra allegedly said? Why participate in the "carnival?"

They need to be exposed for exactly what they are IMO, but FA might have another reason. :thumbdown:JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

How can you know the man in black is black in the black of night?

I think Jr may have very well seen his sissy's abduction.
All the additions are.... well.... additions..

Anyway, I need to find something else to do before this case drives me bonkers.... :tonguewag:

Or did it already??????? :w00t:

Just one more huge red flag IMO. :sneaky:

[CANDYKISSES]

There has to be a reason Amber turned herself back into jail to get out from under Cobra's hold on her. So why would she turn herself back in if Cobra wasn't asking her to do things and who knows what he was asking.


JMO

No kidding Jacki. I wonder what Crystal will have to say about Cobra too. :unsure:

[Texas48]

I was just shocked they even thought about doing that to Amber. The girls on drugs and struggling , why would anyone want her to do something like that?

So now i have to wonder if the day Ron was seen at the apartments with Misty was he over there to kidnap the baby or was he lured over there.


MOOat the time of that incident I think one of the posters mentioned ..Amber possiblly *lured* Ron to the apts. jst so she or others could call LE and have him arrested..so..the thought has already been put out there FA...and I do agree IF that is what Cobra had in mind and was trying to use Amber it was wrong..just wrong knowing the problems she already has..jmo

[bookie]

at the time of that incident I think one of the posters mentioned ..Amber possiblly *lured* Ron to the apts. jst so she or others could call LE and have him arrested..so..the thought has already been put out there FA...and I do agree IF that is what Cobra had in mind and was trying to use Amber it was wrong..just wrong knowing the problems she already has..jmo



With everything coming out about Cobra it's no wonder he keeps disappearing. I'm sure the police would be happy if he would go back to Miami or wherever he came from.

[bookie]

Imo, that ridiculous comment Art posted sounded like something out an old James Bond movie and if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

I don't believe that Cobra was serious about asking Amber to do something like that...it makes no sense. Ron isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's not THAT stupid.

I don't think Cobra is the devil incarnate, sorry, and Art's comment, taken out of context, means nothing.

MO


Taken out of context? How do you know that?

[?noanswer]

If that is true then the whole thing backfired hugely. Cobra wasn't dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with so he was taking a huge chance.

It's one of those times when your thinking...how dumb is dumb?


I don't think Cobra is the sharpest knife in the drawer either. Seems like he was having him a good ole time with AB & NN. The longer this goes on, the more he is showing his true colors. Just wonder where he stands with CS after the 800.00 deal. JMO

[Texas48]

I was talking about you. I didn't believe Cobra said any such thing and I'm still not sure he was serious about it.

If you listen to him, half of what he says is said jokingly and this may have been one of those times. Imo, it was a dumb move for Art to post that so people like you could make an issue out of it. IMO I would never think of FA saying something like that *just to be saying something*..it seems there are many statements on AH site that many take as gospel and now Cobra must not have been serious about what he said..hmmmmm..jmo

[Texas48]

How can you know the man in black is black in the black of night?

I think Jr may have very well seen his sissy's abduction.
All the additions are.... well.... additions..

Anyway, I need to find something else to do before this case drives me bonkers.... :tonguewag:

Or did it already??????? :w00t:Maybe way too late for you Kathy Rae as it is for many of us..lol

[Texas48]

well first let me say i don't care if Misty melts down...IMO she's lying about what happen that night and she needs to tell the truth.

now about Amber,...how do we know that will bring Haleigh home? because IF it would then i would be ok with it but i don't think Ron knows really what happen that night.

mooYou are right FA..Amber is not a perp as 51 puts it but to each his/her own.

[?noanswer]

I don't know about that. He seems to know a lot more than LE at times and he is in contact with LE.

Besides how better to gain trust than to stoop to their level? (NN and AB.)
It might not fit into a nice shiny package of morality but too the folks in this saga are not up for any moral aptitude certificates of excellence either IMHO.

I don't know if he knows more than LE, but he does tell more than LE. Whether it is true or not, I do not know. JMO

[bookie]

Because I haven't heard the whole conversation when Cobra allegedly spoke about his "dream scenario." Have you?


Then maybe you should add the word possibly when saying it was taken out of context.

Cobra doesn't have clean hands (to borrow his phrase) in this case. The DA is investigating the accusation against him for illegally detaining Snodgrass. He seems to thinks he's above the law in Satsuma so I have no doubt he thought up something so disgusting. The fact that he and Art are buddies tells me Art has no reason to lie about that.

[titanfan217]

I don't think Cobra is the sharpest knife in the drawer either. Seems like he was having him a good ole time with AB & NN. The longer this goes on, the more he is showing his true colors. Just wonder where he stands with CS after the 800.00 deal. JMO


As long as he works to find Haleigh, good for him. The rest is his problem.

[Texas48]

They need to be exposed for exactly what they are IMO, but FA might have another reason. :thumbdown:JMOfunny thing is I have read many post where whatever AH and Cobra say/do is A-OK..then when the statement was pointed out by FA..it must have been Cobra joking..?? what am I missing?

[CANDYKISSES]

Imo, that ridiculous comment Art posted sounded like something out an old James Bond movie and if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

I don't believe that Cobra was serious about asking Amber to do something like that...it makes no sense. Ron isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's not THAT stupid.

I don't think Cobra is the devil incarnate, sorry, and Art's comment, taken out of context, means nothing.

MO

Oh dear, I think Ron is nothing short of a COBRA in TRAINING and have always believed HE BEAT COBRA at his own game which caused some of the hard feelings. I never bought into the (getting ready to do a reenactment story) BS Cobra has been selling.

I am guessing KP is turning on him about now too if some are suspecting Crystal may have something to say about Cobra and how he does business. JMOOC. :w00t:

I'm wondering if anyone really believes Cobra gave up the opportunity to make millions doing a movie :blushing:, spent $35K looking for Haleigh and was down to $400???????????

No, I don't think he's the devil incarnate, I'm thinking that guy was a little smarter, JMO tho. :wink:

[Texas48]

I think I had tunnel vision when I read what you were asking and tried to pair your comment up with what I originally said.
(OK hang on did that make sense?)

I understand what you were asking now.
My appologies.NO harm Patricia..I just wanted to make certain you did NOT think I was bashing posters for their opinions..I do try hard not to let that happen but I'm in no way perfect..it has happened before and now I try to keep it in check..lol

[?noanswer]

Oh dear, I think Ron is nothing short of a COBRA in TRAINING and have always believed HE BEAT COBRA at his own game which caused some of the hard feelings. I never bought into the (getting ready to do a reenactment story) BS Cobra has been selling.

I am guessing KP is turning on him about now too if some are suspecting Crystal may have something to say about Cobra and how he does business. JMOOC. :w00t:

I'm wondering if anyone really believes Cobra gave up the opportunity to make millions doing a movie :blushing:, spent $35K looking for Haleigh and was down to $400???????????

No, I don't think he's the devil incarnate, I'm thinking that guy was a little smarter, JMO tho. :wink:

No, I think he is still working on doing a movie/tv show. I think that is his motivation in all the things he is doing. He did say last night about 10 people sent him about a $1,000 dollars. JMO

[Texas48]

If that is true then the whole thing backfired hugely. Cobra wasn't dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with so he was taking a huge chance.

It's one of those times when your thinking...how dumb is dumb?now that was funny Patricia..lol

[Texas48]

I guess you haven't listened to him speak much then. Most of what he says isn't meant to be taken seriously and that's why I'd like to hear it for myself IN CONTEXT.

I'll skip over your baiting comment about FA, thanks.

Report that.was NO baiting involved..I made a statement about FA and I stand by it. same as I dont believe any poster would just say anything to be saying *something*..take it however you want..makes no difference to me. but when you reply to one of my post then you can expect one back.

[?noanswer]

each or collectively?


I thought he meant collectively, but he really didn't say. He did say he didn't want anyone sending him their SSI money. JMO

[bookie]

There's no 'possibly' about it. I didn't hear the entire conversation and neither did you. Therefore, it's taken out of context. Period.

If Cobra did something illegal in Satsuma why isn't he in jail? He maintains he did nothing illegal and he wasn't arrested so I guess he is telling the truth. :shrug:



It is only taken out of context if he didn't say it the way Art wrote it. Us not hearing it word for word has absolutely nothing to do with the context.


His illegally detaining someone is being investigated by the DA. His not being in jail doesn't mean he didn't commit a crime. You should know that considering you think Ron and Misti are behind Haleigh's disappearance and neither of them in jail.

[titanfan217]

I don't think they do the big stuff like murder & such. Just drugs, DWI's and such. JMO

From what I've seen, I wouldn't want them representing me on anything, big or not.

[titanfan217]

each or collectively?

Believe it was the total collection.

[dustyk]

It is only taken out of context if he didn't say it the way Art wrote it. Us not hearing it word for word has absolutely nothing to do with the context.


His illegally detaining someone is being investigated by the DA. His not being in jail doesn't mean he didn't commit a crime. You should know that considering you think Ron and Misti are behind Haleigh's disappearance and neither of them in jail.
Two different scenarios...thinking Ron and Misty are behind haleigh's disappearance is just that thinking.....illegally deteining someone who is there alive and breathing is different, if he did that surely he would have been arrested.

[titanfan217]

Oh dear, I think Ron is nothing short of a COBRA in TRAINING and have always believed HE BEAT COBRA at his own game which caused some of the hard feelings. I never bought into the (getting ready to do a reenactment story) BS Cobra has been selling.

I am guessing KP is turning on him about now too if some are suspecting Crystal may have something to say about Cobra and how he does business. JMOOC. :w00t:

I'm wondering if anyone really believes Cobra gave up the opportunity to make millions doing a movie :blushing:, spent $35K looking for Haleigh and was down to $400???????????

No, I don't think he's the devil incarnate, I'm thinking that guy was a little smarter, JMO tho. :wink:

He should have kept his "movie deal" and sent a big contribution to help find Haleigh.

[panache]

Good point. Why would anyone want to go back to a jail cell? It's telling that someone was so afraid that they would volunteer to be incarcerated. JMO

I think Cobra wanted to get his bond money back and rescinded his agreement, in order to pay Crystal back. Either that or Amber wanted him off her case, and her buddy hold the bond.

moo

[bookie]

Two different scenarios...thinking Ron and Misty are behind haleigh's disappearance is just that thinking.....illegally deteining someone who is there alive and breathing is different, if he did that surely he would have been arrested.



The police have to have evidence to arrest and the DA has to have a strong case to prosecute. That is why investigations happen. Cobra could claim he saw Snodgrass doing something illegal. It would be his word against Snodgrass'. We don't know the particulars and I can only go by what I read. The DA is investigating Cobra.

[dustyk]

Same for Ron...i'm sure if he did something illegal in Satsuma he would be in jail...So i guess he's telling the truth :shrug:
yea right...........he couldn't even get who picked up Haleigh from the bus stop right. JMO

[dustyk]

The police have to have evidence to arrest and the DA has to have a strong case to prosecute. That is why investigations happen. Cobra could claim he saw Snodgrass doing something illegal. It would be his word against Snodgrass'. We don't know the particulars and I can only go by what I read. The DA is investigating Cobra.
Good grief they would arrest him on the charge....he would bail himself out....then go to court just like everybody else.JMO

[bookie]

I think you better find out what in context and out of context means. When you figure it out, get back to me. In the meantime, I'm not going to argue with you about it. I've already explained, at least three times, that I don't think Cobra was serious that something like that would work.

Yes, I do think Ron and Misty are behind what happened to Haleigh and I'm sorry that's such a problem for you, but that's MO and until I see something to change MO about Ron and misty, I'll keep posting MO.



Here, I'll help you out.

con⋅text   /ˈkɒntɛkst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kon-tekst] Show IPA
–noun 1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3. Mycology. the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context


The only person who could have taken Cobra's remark out of context is Art Harris and since they are best buds I have no reason to believe Art took it out of context. Us not hearing it from Cobra's mouth has nothing to do with the context. Whether you think Cobra was serious or not means nothing. You aren't him and weren't there. IMO he is slimy enough to have tried to get Amber to do exactly what he said.

I have no problem with you thinking Ron and Misti were involved. I was simply pointing out how (in your opinion) someone could be guilty of a crime and not be arrested for it. Not being arrested doesn't equal innocence.

[bookie]

Good grief they would arrest him on the charge....he would bail himself out....then go to court just like everybody else.JMO


They haven't arrested Ron for sex with a minor have they? They haven't arrested Misti for underage smoking or drugs have they?

[bookie]

Do you have a link that says he's still being investigated? Iirc, he said it was all straightened out. If you have proof that it's still an on-going investigation, please post it. TIA

Staubs, 51, who calls himself "Cobra," has been accused of illegally detaining a Putnam County man who was free on bail on a sex abuse charge.

Last month, deputies say Staubs apprehended and handcuffed William Snodgrass, 55, who in 2007 was charged with capital sexual battery of a 9-year-old girl. Snodgrass was held for an hour, deputies added.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/29/news/news01.txt


There are no links showing the prosecutors found nothing illegal or that they are through investigating. As for Cobra.....in the words of Marilyn Milian "I wouldn't trust him if his tongue came notarized."

[panache]

Then maybe you should add the word possibly when saying it was taken out of context.

Cobra doesn't have clean hands (to borrow his phrase) in this case. The DA is investigating the accusation against him for illegally detaining Snodgrass. He seems to thinks he's above the law in Satsuma so I have no doubt he thought up something so disgusting. The fact that he and Art are buddies tells me Art has no reason to lie about that.

Um, Snodgrass is out on bond awaiting trial. He is a SO that wears that ankle moniter. He was in violation of his bond to be at the Haleighbug Center. Had Cobra not detained him, LE would have picked him up I would think.

moo

[bookie]

The real question is, did it help YOU out?

Where do you get that Art and Cobra are "best buds?" LOL

P.S. I bolded the part that you need to read over and comprehend.



Again, us not hearing it word for word has nothing to do with the context of how Cobra said what he said.

Where do I get that Art and Cobra are best buds? That would be from their little jaunt in the woods, sit downs at MeeMaw's and Art's constant articles about Cobra complete with quotes from Cobra.

[?noanswer]

I think Cobra wanted to get his bond money back and rescinded his agreement, in order to pay Crystal back. Either that or Amber wanted him off her case, and her buddy hold the bond.

moo

I didn't think one got their bond money back. If that was true, then a bondsman would not stay in business very long. JMO

[bookie]

Um, Snodgrass is out on bond awaiting trial. He is a SO that wears that ankle moniter. He was in violation of his bond to be at the Haleighbug Center. Had Cobra not detained him, LE would have picked him up I would think.

moo



He is a suspected SO that wears an ankle monitor. I did a search while back and he is not listed on the SO registry.

Please post his bond conditions so all of us can know what you do. Then post the exact condition that was violated. And since he isn't in jail right now I'm guessing he didn't violate his bond conditions.


No records found matching your criteria
Search Criteria:
First Name: william Last Name: snodgrass County: Putnam City: satsuma

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

[bookie]

Context is the CIRCUMSTANCES that surround something that is said. You went to an online dictionary and posted the meaning. Did you read it?

I think you're exaggerating about the "best bud" thing, but what else is new?

Gee, it's been pleasant, as always, but I'm moving on now. :seeya:


http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1892_mad_smiley_banging_head_against_a_brick_wall. gif


The circumstances surrounding what Cobra said have nothing to do with us hearing, or not hearing, his exact words.

[bookie]

That's dated April 29th. Cobra said it was a misunderstanding about what he is licensed to do and it's been straightened out.


Cobra says. :lol: Now that's funny.

[bookie]

I didn't think one got their bond money back. If that was true, then a bondsman would not stay in business very long. JMO


If you pay a bondsman you don't get your money back. If you pay through the court then you do get your money/property back if the person complies with the bond agreement and shows up for hearings.

[?noanswer]

If you pay a bondsman you don't get your money back. If you pay through the court then you do get your money/property back if the person complies with the bond agreement and shows up for hearings.

Thanks for that information. After I posted it, I started thinking and was ready to do research on it. IIRC, Cobra went thru a bondsman and not the courts?? JMO

[?noanswer]

You're the only one who keeps talking about his EXACT WORDS. I said nothing of the kind. I said it was taken out of context. Context and exact words are NOT the same thing.

I want to know the CIRCUMSTANCES (context) surrounding the statement. Iow, was he serious, was he joking, was he just talking trash, what?

I think one would have to ask AH that question. Posters are going by what AH stated, nothing more, nothing less. JMO

[panache]

He is a suspected SO that wears an ankle monitor. I did a search while back and he is not listed on the SO registry.

Please post his bond conditions so all of us can know what you do. Then post the exact condition that was violated. And since he isn't in jail right now I'm guessing he didn't violate his bond conditions.


No records found matching your criteria
Search Criteria:
First Name: william Last Name: snodgrass County: Putnam City: satsuma

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=295

[bookie]

You're the only one who keeps talking about his EXACT WORDS. I said nothing of the kind. I said it was taken out of context. Context and exact words are NOT the same thing.

I want to know the CIRCUMSTANCES (context) surrounding the statement. Iow, was he serious, was he joking, was he just talking trash, what?



Ok I see where you made the turn. This is your post I have been replying about.

~Tiffany~
Registered User Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 115

Quote:
Originally Posted by bookie
Taken out of context? How do you know that?


Because I haven't heard the whole conversation when Cobra allegedly spoke about his "dream scenario." Have you?


I asked how you knew it was taken out of context and your claim was because we haven't heard what he said. The fact that we haven't heard him say it doesn't mean it was taken out of context. You are assuming it was.

[panache]

He is a suspected SO that wears an ankle monitor. I did a search while back and he is not listed on the SO registry.

Please post his bond conditions so all of us can know what you do. Then post the exact condition that was violated. And since he isn't in jail right now I'm guessing he didn't violate his bond conditions.


No records found matching your criteria
Search Criteria:
First Name: william Last Name: snodgrass County: Putnam City: satsuma

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

And here is the video about Sex Offender Snodgrass.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1063993751

[bookie]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=295

He hasn't gone to court on those charges, hasn't been convicted and isn't listed on the FDLE (Florida Dept of Law Enforcement) website as a registered sex offender. From your link.....


Regan said he knew of Snodgrass' name and alleged history because he and others have been researching the area.


Now....do you have a link to his bond conditions so I can see which one he violated like you claimed?

[bookie]

And here is the video about Sex Offender Snodgrass.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?maven_playerId=articleplayer&maven_referralPlaylistId=playlist&maven_referralObject=1063993751


Alleged. He isn't listed on the SO registry.

[panache]

EXACTLY! Now you're finally getting it...I think :huh:

If I would've heard the conversation I would be able to make a determination of whether I thought he was serious, or not.

Discussing a conversation about a proposed incident that didn't happen is rather superiflious don't you think? Lots of things said off the cuff can be considered casual or wishful. I'd rather vocus on what has happened, not what could.

What's happened is a little girl has disappeared for 3 mos. now, and Cobra seems to be the only one with his boots on the ground trying to find out what happened to her.

moo

[?noanswer]

I can't find it now but there were pics of the easter egg hunt they did in their yard I'm guessing last year... and I always thought in an empty yard like theirs they had hid what looked like at least 36 eggs (basing that on the amount that they dyed)... anyways we do an easter egg hunt at my aunts every year and cynderblocks are the ideal place for hiding them when you run out of original ideas... like ron did since he hid one on top of the side mirror of his car.... so my question is Ron you clearly were running out of spots to hide them and you still claim to have never known that the blocks were there???? I don't buy it for 1 second and I guarantee that there was once an easter egg in that very same mystery block...

They were not living in that house last Easter. It's amazing what posters see in a video. I saw a happy family enjoying a happy Easter. The children were totally enjoying decorating the eggs. JMO

[bookie]

They were not living in that house last Easter. It's amazing what posters see in a video. I saw a happy family enjoying a happy Easter. The children were totally enjoying decorating the eggs. JMO



They had been in that home less than 6 months IIRC so that would put them moving in August/September.

[bookie]

Discussing a conversation about a proposed incident that didn't happen is rather superiflious don't you think? Lots of things said off the cuff can be considered casual or wishful. I'd rather vocus on what has happened, not what could.

What's happened is a little girl has disappeared for 3 mos. now, and Cobra seems to be the only one with his boots on the ground trying to find out what happened to her.

moo



Cobra insinuated himself in this case just like Padilla did in the CA case. Neither of them have helped in either case. Cobra's stunts aren't helping find Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

They had been in that home less than 6 months IIRC so that would put them moving in August/September.

Eggsactly, after Easter of '08 and Haleigh disappeared before Easter of '09. JMO

[panache]

He hasn't gone to court on those charges, hasn't been convicted and isn't listed on the FDLE (Florida Dept of Law Enforcement) website as a registered sex offender. From your link.....





Now....do you have a link to his bond conditions so I can see which one he violated like you claimed?

I'm done linking articles to you about Snodgrass. Its obvious you have your mind made up. The article and video explain he is a SO and wears a moniter. Isn't there a radius a SO can travel?

Do you have any idea what Snodgrass is going to trial for? He, IMO, shouldn't be on the streets.

moo

[bookie]

Eggsactly, after Easter of '08 and Haleigh disappeared before Easter of '09. JMO



Pun intended? LOL

Posts like that prove it doesn't matter what Ron does or doesn't do. SOme find fault based on incorrect information.

[?noanswer]

I'm done linking articles to you about Snodgrass. Its obvious you have your mind made up. The article and video explain he is a SO and wears a moniter. Isn't there a radius a SO can travel?

Do you have any idea what Snodgrass is going to trial for? He, IMO, shouldn't be on the streets.

moo

According to this article http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=134030&catid=295


"Daniel Snodgrass was arrested in 2007 on two charges. One was sexual battery on a child as well as a lewd and lascivious charge involving a child."

He is probably wearing a monitor as a conditon of his bond. JMO

[panache]

Yep, that's why I said it was a stupid move for Art to post that. All it does is give fodder to the RC defenders and Cobra haters.

And yes, Cobra is the ONLY ONE with his boots on the ground and I'll never understand why some don't want him to search for her.

Cobra joshed a lot in that interview last night too. He said he would move into that trailer if someone wanted to help him buy it. Then he would turn it over to a woman that helps the likes of Amber and Nay Nay. Said not for women on SSI to send their $25 in, he wanted the heavy spenders to send checks. (paraphrased). I took it as wishful thinking and a sense of humor attached.

moo

[panache]

Pun intended? LOL

Posts like that prove it doesn't matter what Ron does or doesn't do. SOme find fault based on incorrect information.

Funny, I'm getting that same impression around these parts about Cobra.

moo

[panache]

They had been in that home less than 6 months IIRC so that would put them moving in August/September.

Ron and Misty moved into the MH in Nov. according to the landlady.

moo

[bookie]

I'm done linking articles to you about Snodgrass. Its obvious you have your mind made up. The article and video explain he is a SO and wears a moniter. Isn't there a radius a SO can travel?

Do you have any idea what Snodgrass is going to trial for? He, IMO, shouldn't be on the streets.

moo



The links you are posting don't prove your claim. He is suspected of crimes. The ankle monitor is part of his bond. IIRC the "radius" involves nighttime hours and not daytime hours.

Yes I know what he is going to trial for you and if he's guilty I agree, he needs to be in jail but until then he is only suspected of the crime/s and still has rights.

[?noanswer]

Funny, I'm getting that same impression around these parts about Cobra.

moo

It doesn't matter what name is used. Posters have their mind made up about who they want to believe and come hell or high water they ain't gonna change. JMO

[panache]

Alleged. He isn't listed on the SO registry.

Then LE messed up. He should be.

moo

[bookie]

That's not true. Cobra was ASKED to look into Haleigh's disappearance by Rev Richard Grund.

I asked Cobra to go up and speak to them to see if there was anything he could do.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=482388324


He had the option of saying no. He insinuated himself in this case. His actions have done nothing to help find Haleigh.

[bookie]

Then LE messed up. He should be.

moo



No they didn't. A person has to be convicted of a sex crime to be on the registry. Snodgrass hasn't gone to court and hasn't been convicted.

[panache]

The links you are posting don't prove your claim. He is suspected of crimes. The ankle monitor is part of his bond. IIRC the "radius" involves nighttime hours and not daytime hours.

Yes I know what he is going to trial for you and if he's guilty I agree, he needs to be in jail but until then he is only suspected of the crime/s and still has rights.

Go read Art Harris column about this SO.

I'm done debating this with you. I think you have a closed mind about this. Thank your stars it wasn't your little girls he got a hold of.

moo

[bookie]

Go read Art Harris column about this SO.

I'm done debating this with you. I think you have a closed mind about this. Thank your stars it wasn't your little girls he got a hold of.

moo



I guess in your need to try to insult me you missed the part where I agreed he needs to be in jail IF HE IS GUILTY?

Sorry but I'm not one of the masses who thinks that just because someone was arrested it means they are guilty. I choose to afford IUPG to everyone. I'm also not in the masses who think that only applies to a courtroom.

[panache]

No they didn't. A person has to be convicted of a sex crime to be on the registry. Snodgrass hasn't gone to court and hasn't been convicted.

Thanks for the correction. I forgot a conviction was necessary for the SO list.

[bookie]

Why should he say no?

Your opinion of whether he has helped or not is duly noted. But it's not gospel, it's just your opinion. I disagree.


Why should he say no? Because he isn't LE. He should stick to what he knows.

He hasn't helped find Haleigh. After his and Johnny Sheffield's little evidence stunt the police told the public not to search. He is being investigated for illegally detaining someone the police have already said wasn't involved in Haleigh's disappearance and to date his biggest accomplishments have been to bail a couple of probable crackheads out of jail.

[panache]

I guess in your need to try to insult me you missed the part where I agreed he needs to be in jail IF HE IS GUILTY?

Sorry but I'm not one of the masses who thinks that just because someone was arrested it means they are guilty. I choose to afford IUPG to everyone. I'm also not in the masses who think that only applies to a courtroom.

The general population is not under oath to apply Innocent until Proven Guilty, that's for a jury to decide.

I wasn't *insulting you* by any means.

[calamitygirl]

Imo, that ridiculous comment Art posted sounded like something out an old James Bond movie and if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.

I don't believe that Cobra was serious about asking Amber to do something like that...it makes no sense. Ron isn't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's not THAT stupid.

I don't think Cobra is the devil incarnate, sorry, and Art's comment, taken out of context, means nothing.

MO

Hope you don't mind, very seldom post but read alot. You don't believe the part where AH posts what cobras plan was to have the this troubled girl prostitue herself, but you believe everything else he writes?

[panache]

In some states if yoyu do show up for work drunk they can't fire you for it, ask you about it, or tell anyone else about it, because alcoholism is a disease which makes it a medical confidentiality issue

Good point Jennica!!

[calamitygirl]

Um, you replied to me...that's why I replied back. :rolleyes:

Report that.

What does report that mean?

[bookie]

You're really posting a lot of, um, untruths today bookie.

I think I'll leave you to your fantasy world now because I didn't come here to argue with the likes of you. You love the last word, so go for it.

:seeya: for real this time.



Nothing I posted is untrue. He and Johnny Sheffield gave "evidence" to the police and within a day or so the police told the public not to search. Do a search here and you'll find all kinds of discussions about it.

I posted the link to him being investigated in an earlier post so I don't know how you are claiming that's untrue.

Do you need a link showing he bailed Nay Nay and Amber out of jail on possession of cocaine charges? Which part is untrue? The fact that both were arrested for drugs? Or the probable crackhead part? I guess I could go find links showing all of the talk about getting them into rehab but I think we all know it's true. Or are you saying Cobra, Art and Kim P all lied about getting them into rehab?

[panache]

For those interested;

A Matter of Public Record:

Re: Haleigh Cummings 5 yrs old missing in Satsuma, Florida last seen 2/9/09 #4
« Reply #1387 on: March 07, 2009, 08:16:24 AM »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Good morning

Daniel Snodgrass trial set for June 22, 2009

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542007CF002375XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-12-19 Judge: EDWARD E HEDSTROM
Defense Atty: MOYER, JEAN DESROSIERS

Defendant
SNODGRASS, DANIEL E
Alias
SANGRASS, DANIEL E

2009-03-05 109 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: DEFT PRES, ATT BY JEAN MOYER

2009-03-05 109 STATE AND DEFENSE ANNOUNCED READY FOR TRIAL

2009-03-05 109 CASE SET FOR JURY TRIAL 06/22/2009

2009-03-06 110 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (06/22/2009)

2009-03-06 111 NOTICE TO BONDSMAN (06/22/2009

[titanfan217]

:laugh: It sure is, thanks for making me spit my drink all over the screen. :laugh:

moo

That's why you keep your drink on the other side of the room!

[bookie]

I was not trying to claim that set in stone... i was purposing the idea that if he was to hide eggs then he would have known there were blocks there... I was wrong and if I had any theory's about Crystal like that I would post them too....

"when presented with multiple possibilities you must eliminate all impossibilities and whatever remains no matter how improbable is the solution"

so look at some of my posts with that approach :)


Your last sentence said you guaranteed there were egg hunts in that very same block. That is not "purposing" a theory. I based my post on that wrong information.



Originally Posted by Jennica
I can't find it now but there were pics of the easter egg hunt they did in their yard I'm guessing last year... and I always thought in an empty yard like theirs they had hid what looked like at least 36 eggs (basing that on the amount that they dyed)... anyways we do an easter egg hunt at my aunts every year and cynderblocks are the ideal place for hiding them when you run out of original ideas... like ron did since he hid one on top of the side mirror of his car.... so my question is Ron you clearly were running out of spots to hide them and you still claim to have never known that the blocks were there???? I don't buy it for 1 second and I guarantee that there was once an easter egg in that very same mystery block...

[titanfan217]

In some states if yoyu do show up for work drunk they can't fire you for it, ask you about it, or tell anyone else about it, because alcoholism is a disease which makes it a medical confidentiality issue


Haven't heard about that. How would they handle safety issues, like being able to drive a vehicle?

We had a manager with a drinking problem. He & I traveled together and I was specifically told to let management know if I ever thought he was drinking either in the car or in the counties where we were working.

[calamitygirl]

I'm sorry you misunderstood Tex, the only perps I refer to in this case are that of Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin/Cummings, Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes. As far as Amber and NN are concerned, I have no reason to suspect them whatsoever in this case and believe their introduction into this case was merely to point out what level Cobra and le were dealing with.

moo

Teresa and Annette are perps? What did they do? I haven't read where they did anything illegal to be perps but then I haven't read where anyone did anything illegal since HaleighCummings went missing?

[calamitygirl]

Um, Snodgrass is out on bond awaiting trial. He is a SO that wears that ankle moniter. He was in violation of his bond to be at the Haleighbug Center. Had Cobra not detained him, LE would have picked him up I would think.

moo

Did cobra detain snodgrass illegally?

[panache]

Did cobra detain snodgrass illegally?

According to the defination of a Bounty Hunter, they are a *bail enforcer*. Snodgrass was out on bond. You be the judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_hunter

[panache]

ALSO I DID NOT SAY THAT THE EGG HUNT OCCURED IN THE BLOCK.... if it did it would be very easy to find all 36 eggs then huh????
And if you want to get technical then I stand by my claim that if there ever was an egg hunt in that yard then there was definitely an egg hidden in the block.... I have conducted many egg hunts and consider myself to be an egg hider eggstrodanaire

*egg hider eggstrodanaire*'

:biggrin:

[calamitygirl]

EXACTLY! Now you're finally getting it...I think :huh:

If I would've heard the conversation I would be able to make a determination of whether I thought he was serious, or not.

From what I have been reading it seems that though you didn't hear the conversation but at the same time you believe if it was said he was joking?

[calamitygirl]

Cobra joshed a lot in that interview last night too. He said he would move into that trailer if someone wanted to help him buy it. Then he would turn it over to a woman that helps the likes of Amber and Nay Nay. Said not for women on SSI to send their $25 in, he wanted the heavy spenders to send checks. (paraphrased). I took it as wishful thinking and a sense of humor attached.

moo

I have to wonder about his sense of humor. He wanted to use these woman or a woman to set some one up and then turn the home over to some one to help woman?

[calamitygirl]

It doesn't matter what name is used. Posters have their mind made up about who they want to believe and come hell or high water they ain't gonna change. JMO

T. Graham Brown, I love that song. Sorry, off topic.

[calamitygirl]

I don't understand that either. Firstly he is there doing what he has to do to find little Haleigh. Nothing else matters to him regarding this case obviously. Seems rather odd for people to attack the people who have stuck it out with this case and who REFUSE to give up on Haleigh.
Personally I just brush these negative comments pertaining to Cobra to the side really. He knows his job and he is doing whatever it takes to get to the truth.
I suppose the LE would be getting even more flack from these people than Cobra if they were telling people as much information as he does.
Oh well.

JMO

I disagree because if he really was into finding Haleigh Cummings it seems he would have kept any information found to his self and not talk about his findings to the public. Thats how I see it any how.

[calamitygirl]

Go read Art Harris column about this SO.

I'm done debating this with you. I think you have a closed mind about this. Thank your stars it wasn't your little girls he got a hold of.

moo

Thank heaven it wasn't my child that cobra wanted to use in a set up.

[Texas48]

The police have to have evidence to arrest and the DA has to have a strong case to prosecute. That is why investigations happen. Cobra could claim he saw Snodgrass doing something illegal. It would be his word against Snodgrass'. We don't know the particulars and I can only go by what I read. The DA is investigating Cobra.forgive me if this has been discussed(I'm sure many times over....my brain aint what it used to be)..did Snodgrass press charges against Cobra?

[calamitygirl]

I didn't say I didn't believe it. Go back and read what I did say. Thanks.

Also, please show me where I've said that I believe everything Art writes. Thanks again.

I'm sorry but did you see the ?

May I rephrase that? do you believe most, some of what he writes?

[Texas48]

I'm sorry you misunderstood Tex, the only perps I refer to in this case are that of Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin/Cummings, Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes. As far as Amber and NN are concerned, I have no reason to suspect them whatsoever in this case and believe their introduction into this case was merely to point out what level Cobra and le were dealing with.

mooIt was just the way I read your post 51..I'm sure I did misunderstand..those names were not put into the post in that way and so I did not understand which is one of my problems many times..There are many post I have to read more than once...lol..

[titanfan217]

It doesn't matter what name is used. Posters have their mind made up about who they want to believe and come hell or high water they ain't gonna change. JMO

I've been trying to look at "the other side" but it keeps going back in a circle.

[calamitygirl]

According to the defination of a Bounty Hunter, they are a *bail enforcer*. Snodgrass was out on bond. You be the judge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_hunter

Sorry but I am not sure I understand this. If snodgrass is out on bond, but did not break his bond, why would cobra detain him? Do people like cobra detain people because they think some one did something wrong?

[calamitygirl]

ALSO I DID NOT SAY THAT THE EGG HUNT OCCURED IN THE BLOCK.... if it did it would be very easy to find all 36 eggs then huh????
And if you want to get technical then I stand by my claim that if there ever was an egg hunt in that yard then there was definitely an egg hidden in the block.... I have conducted many egg hunts and consider myself to be an egg hider eggstrodanaire

Is this what is called back peddling?

[calamitygirl]

The only ones he should have spoken with was LE...I just have a feeling they weren't too interested in what he had to say so he went to AH and TJH....

Thank you pia. I agree with that.

[Texas48]

They were not living in that house last Easter. It's amazing what posters see in a video. I saw a happy family enjoying a happy Easter. The children were totally enjoying decorating the eggs. JMOoops..lol noanswer...I believe some posters see and hear what they want to and when its suits them...the photos do show *happy times*..Pictures to treasure.

[calamitygirl]

What is this about a setup?

Some thing along the lines of cobra using a girl to set up ron and I am guessing the end result would be for misty to have a meltdown and confess to some thing.

[calamitygirl]

I have not been to art's site to read this thing but from what I can gather on here Cobra planned on using either amber or nay nay to get to ron and piss off misty.... if amber throwing ron a free bj would have lead to any info on haleigh then good for him for thinking outside the box... (no pun intended but then again i might be the only one that gets that pun)... anyways i think it's a good idea
divide and conquer cobra
This guy is not LE and does not have to act like one he is a bails bondsman and can revoke someone he bailed whenever he sees fit...
To everyone that hates him why don't you go down there and do the job yourself.... at least he is doing something... what is ron doing? gm? ggm?
atleast him and crystal are trying something... and no I am not a ron hater but you cannot argue the facts about who is trying to do what....

For anyone who has a daughter, no matter what her problems may be would they like it if it was their daughter being used like that?
I know I would not like it for one minute.

[Texas48]

You may be right!
IMO, if LE would throw out just 1 morsel I could chew that another couple of weeks.
KWIM?lol Kathy..problem is..there would be many of us *fighting* over that 1 morsel..all kidding aside..Le does need to at least have a presser..just to tell ppl they are still ON THE CASE and searching for Haleigh..jmo

[?noanswer]

I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts...can someone tell me about this $$/bounty hunter/bond/Crystal? I don't understand. did she somehow loan money to the bounty hunter? was it for Amber/NayNay's bail?

I'm not trying to be snotty, but it is kinda hard to explain. I explained it as best I could on last night's thread. If you do a search on my name it should come up. JMO

[Texas48]

The only ones he should have spoken with was LE...I just have a feeling they weren't too interested in what he had to say so he went to AH and TJH....Had not thought of that Pia..TY..:thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

editing the fact that it is true in my state as I think I said before not all states are the same and a lot has changed everywhere recently due to tougher med privacy rules

I think that is a federal law. When I was working I had to write a policy for our agency. That is part of the HIPPA (hope those are the correct initials) law.

[?noanswer]

What is this about a setup?

I don't think you have read the comments on AH's site. It is something that AH reported in the comment section that was supposedly Cobra's plan when he bailed AB & NN out of jail. Nothing official. JMO

[calamitygirl]

i have 2 daughters and no i would not like the fact that my daughter was a prostitute... but if they unfortunately were then i would want something good to come out of their evil ways...

wow, alrighty then.

[calamitygirl]

THIS is called back pedaling.

From what I have read here, I see we do have some experts in that area.
I rephrased that because it seems you took it the wrong way.

[bookie]

forgive me if this has been discussed(I'm sure many times over....my brain aint what it used to be)..did Snodgrass press charges against Cobra?


I don't know. I haven't seen anything about it other than the article saying prosecuters were investigating it.

[Texas48]

I have not been to art's site to read this thing but from what I can gather on here Cobra planned on using either amber or nay nay to get to ron and piss off misty.... if amber throwing ron a free bj would have lead to any info on haleigh then good for him for thinking outside the box... (no pun intended but then again i might be the only one that gets that pun)... anyways i think it's a good idea
divide and conquer cobra
This guy is not LE and does not have to act like one he is a bails bondsman and can revoke someone he bailed whenever he sees fit...
To everyone that hates him why don't you go down there and do the job yourself.... at least he is doing something... what is ron doing? gm? ggm?
atleast him and crystal are trying something... and no I am not a ron hater but you cannot argue the facts about who is trying to do what....I believe many got your *pun* Jennica..there are many sharp posters here at IS..What is Ron..Misty..TN..GGM..Crystal and Chad doing? Have no idea..Do you? Just because we have not heard every detail of their days does NOT mean they are doing nothing. If you have better info than please share it with us. as for Cobra..no clue what he is up to or what his REAL purpose is..I believe when he first showed up he said he would have this case solved in a week..??I may not have said it just as he did but pretty close..I quess he just did NOT say WHAT WEEK..or what month. Oh well..he is hanging on..waiting for whatever..I always try and remember that BIG book deal or was it.. a movie deal..and HOW much $$$$$$ did he mention? Or was that how much $$$$$ he turned down/lost? what a guy..

[bookie]

Do you have a link I could read? I did not know the DA was investigating Cobra.

Is Snodgrass the Registered Sex Offender? If he is - all I can say is I think ALL registered Sex offenders should be in jail and NEVER let out.

I am not talking about the 17 year old boys that date 16 year old girls and their parents get angry. I am talking about the REAL sex offenders. I do not in any way feel sorry for them. If they were all locked away forever this world would be a safer place for our children.



I posted the link already. It's a few pages back.

No, Snodgrass is not a registered sex offender. He's suspected of sex crimes but hasn't been tried yet. If found guilty he will then be a registered sex offender. If he is guilty he should be registered and in prison for a long time.

[bookie]

I don't see anyone feeling sorry for him or even defending him. I think the point is, he is only accused at this point and also not a registered sex offender....yet.



Absolutely. I have said several times that if he is guilty he should go to prison but as of now he is IUPG.

[calamitygirl]

not sure why this is such a big deal but any citizen in any state can make a citizens arrest when they see a felony in progress... each state has variables as to how it can be conducted but all states allow it in some way shape or form so in theory you or I could have been the one to detain snodgrass if we knew that part of his felony pretrial probation was to stay away from minors.... i do not know the exact procedure for florida but the variables are in regards to like if you can chase them if they run... in california you can even enter their house forcefully (i find that shocking but whatever)... some states give more authority to bail bondsmen/bounty hunters even if it is not someone they bonded.... like i said don't know the specifics but usually if you see a crime in progress you can use force to stop it and detain the person until le arrives... even transport the person to LE but in that situation the citizen becomes responsible for anything that happens to the prisoner in transport
I am including an in general link to citizen arrest laws.... if you all are so concerned that cobra may have done something wrong then further research it instead of assuming he was wrong.... as far as their being an "investigation" about it here's a tid bit of info.... If I call 911 and report that a ghost is killing my dog then they have to send out an officer to "investigate" it... the term investigate should not mean that something wrong was done... if he was holding some one against their will then the accurate charge would be kidnapping... which he has not been charged with and I don't think he will be...

I never said it was a big deal but that I did not understand.
I never said I assumed he was wrong.
Maybe if it bothered you so much that some one did not understnd some thing you should have ignored it.
Thank you for your "sweet" reply.

[bookie]

And............ looks like he bailed these girls out with cash donations he got from Crystal Sheffield. Didn't the bus driver's and other hard working people in Baker County donate about $800.00 to assist in finding Haleigh. This man is as crooked as they come and will stomp on anyone to make himself look good. MOO


I agree. His 15 minutes are up and he needs to go home. He isn't helping anything and is only creating more drama.

[Texas48]

I agree the photos did seem happy and they did show a side of ron that i was not expecting based on what he has shown recently... i actually thought wow he doesn't mind getting food coloring everywhere? my husband is the best dad in the world and he wants no part of easter eggs for that reason.... when i made that comment it was not to bash ron in any way it was because i thought i had a valid pointI will be honest with you Jennica..I dont think you were bashing and trust me I have seen bashing..lol.anyone looking at those photos would/could see how happy they were..as for a valid point..you as all other posters are entitled to your opinions and thoughts..I may not agree with some of your thoughts and then again I may agree with some..

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good Evening (:

Any new developments today?

Still listening to the Cobra interview from yesterday --

[Texas48]

snipped for space

my bold

It is a sad world when we feel sorry for a person like Snodgrass. I think he needs more then held for an hour ( if that is true), but I guess that is my opinion of a RSO.apple..just so you will know..Snodgrass has NOT been convicted so as of now he is NOT a RSO..He has been charged and is waiting trial and for now is OUT on bond..for all anyone knows..he may be found innocent. no one knows..

[calamitygirl]

Excellent post!

I would like to know what the Cummings side of the family are doing to find Haleigh also, because I have not heard a word from anywhere that they are trying to help find Haleigh.

I give credit to ANYONE that is trying to help find Haleigh.

Am I to understand that because no one knows what the cumming family is doing people are assuming nothing?

[TaraCrazyHair]

And............ looks like he bailed these girls out with cash donations he got from Crystal Sheffield. Didn't the bus driver's and other hard working people in Baker County donate about $800.00 to assist in finding Haleigh. This man is as crooked as they come and will stomp on anyone to make himself look good. MOO


I thought Cobra made it clear the donations were not from Crystal?

I admit I am confused about all that but he basically said it wasn't.. was from a third party and that is why there are no clean hands?

[bookie]

How about Cobra? Isn't he IUPG, as well? He wasn't convicted of illegally detaining or kidnapping the SO, he wasn't even arrested for it.



I didn't say he's guilty. I said accused and being investigated. Add that to the police telling the public to not search after he and Johnny gave them "evidence and the question is......

How is any of that helping find Haleigh?

[Texas48]

I just cannot understand when LE is keeping everything quiet, why he would 'discover" things and run straight to the media with it...unless they (LE) ticked him off. If he was indeed working "with" them, wouldn't he respect their wishes to keep everything out of the press?thats gona be my thoughts Pia..I will in no way believe Cobra is working with LE..and whatever he is *discovering* ..well enough said.

[bookie]

thats gona be my thoughts Pia..I will in no way believe Cobra is working with LE..and whatever he is *discovering* ..well enough said.

Didn't he "discover" Greg after the police had interviewed Greg? Same with Amber and Nay Nay? I haven't seen him make any "discoveries" that weren't already known to the people that matter.

[calamitygirl]

How about Cobra? Isn't he IUPG, as well? He wasn't convicted of illegally detaining or kidnapping the SO, he wasn't even arrested for it.

Then that should apply to every one who has not been found guilty of any wrong doing in Haleigh being missing? Right? Including ron and misty.
Even though I have read plenty where people say they should arrest them on any thing.
If it is good for cobra, IUPG, then why not for others?

[Texas48]

not sure why this is such a big deal but any citizen in any state can make a citizens arrest when they see a felony in progress... each state has variables as to how it can be conducted but all states allow it in some way shape or form so in theory you or I could have been the one to detain snodgrass if we knew that part of his felony pretrial probation was to stay away from minors.... i do not know the exact procedure for florida but the variables are in regards to like if you can chase them if they run... in california you can even enter their house forcefully (i find that shocking but whatever)... some states give more authority to bail bondsmen/bounty hunters even if it is not someone they bonded.... like i said don't know the specifics but usually if you see a crime in progress you can use force to stop it and detain the person until le arrives... even transport the person to LE but in that situation the citizen becomes responsible for anything that happens to the prisoner in transport
I am including an in general link to citizen arrest laws.... if you all are so concerned that cobra may have done something wrong then further research it instead of assuming he was wrong.... as far as their being an "investigation" about it here's a tid bit of info.... If I call 911 and report that a ghost is killing my dog then they have to send out an officer to "investigate" it... the term investigate should not mean that something wrong was done... if he was holding some one against their will then the accurate charge would be kidnapping... which he has not been charged with and I don't think he will be...I kinda understand what you are saying Jennica..but..why did Cobra detain him for an hour? Why did Cobra not call LE right off?

[TaraCrazyHair]

thats gona be my thoughts Pia..I will in no way believe Cobra is working with LE..and whatever he is *discovering* ..well enough said.


Maybe he is not exactly "discovering" them but he does seem to be able to get them to talk

(:

[Texas48]

I don't know. I haven't seen anything about it other than the article saying prosecuters were investigating it.
TY bookie for the response..

[calamitygirl]

I hope you don't mind me asking, but as you said above in the part I bolded - why was this this the topic you decided to post on? I would think if you seldom post, you would be posting about Haleigh. I just found this question odd.

If you care to share any comments about Haleigh I would love to hear them.

I did not know that I had to respond to a certain post before that one.
I did not know that I had to get your ok. If I am wrong I will correct it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Do you think that Cobra has something to do with Haleigh being missing?

Where's bullyjo? :smile:

Why would Cobra have anything to do with it?

Unless your being snarky

(;

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am, I confess.


Ok ... thought so (:

Sometimes, catching up is hard to do

[titanfan217]

Do you know where it is that the money from Crystal is mentioned? I haven't found it yet...TIA

If I heard correctly yesterday, Crystal gave Cobra money to give to someone who had loaned Crystal money. You might something on AH's website which might explain what happened after that.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am still trying to absorb the comment that JR is cinder block savvy and that they always use a cinder block on the door ...

Sure put a new twist on this story in my opinion

[panache]

Anyone want to explain why we have pages of the *alleged* SO Sawgrass when other than visiting the HBC he has nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. What occured between Cobra and Sawgrass is outside the realm of the topic of this board. That would be the Haleigh is missing board.

moo

[bookie]

Anyone want to explain why we have pages of the *alleged* SO Sawgrass when other than visiting the HBC he has nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. What occured between Cobra and Sawgrass is outside the realm of the topic of this board. That would be the Haleigh is missing board.

moo



Many topics sprout up over the course of a case. Cobra being investigated for detaining Snodgrass was part of an article about Haleigh. If Cobra wasn't involved in this case he wouldn't know who Snodgrass was and wouldn't have detained him for over an hour.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Anyone want to explain why we have pages of the *alleged* SO Sawgrass when other than visiting the HBC he has nothing to do with the disappearance of Haleigh. What occured between Cobra and Sawgrass is outside the realm of the topic of this board. That would be the Haleigh is missing board.

moo


I am reading and trying to figure that out too

I am gathering it from people who do not particularly care for Cobra

In which case, to each his own

[bookie]

I am still trying to absorb the comment that JR is cinder block savvy and that they always use a cinder block on the door ...

Sure put a new twist on this story in my opinion



There are 2 problems with that claim.

1) Cobra claimed they were in a motel room when he claims that happened. How many motels keep cinderblocks handy? None that I have seen.

2) I doubt a 4 year old would be able to pick up and carry a cinderblock.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Yes, jr propped the door at the motel like it was something that he did, or saw done, regularly.

Interesting.


Wasn't it also said a brick was used on a regular basis?

In which case, I repeat, that is probably a good reason Ron has not been cleared as a suspect in this case despite his time clock


Out of the mouths of babes

[TaraCrazyHair]

There are 2 problems with that claim.

1) Cobra claimed they were in a motel room when he claims that happened. How many motels keep cinderblocks handy? None that I have seen.

2) I doubt a 4 year old would be able to pick up and carry a cinderblock.

Could have been landscaping bricks ... motels have those

And they are not very heavy

[bookie]

I believe it was a brick, not a cinderblock. Did you listen to the interview?



No I didn't. I don't believe a word out of his mouth.

[titanfan217]

Could have been landscaping bricks ... motels have those

And they are not very heavy

At least he knew how to prompt open the door. Probably doesn't matter what he used.

[TaraCrazyHair]

At least he knew how to prompt open the door. Probably doesn't matter what he used.



That was my thought too

Kids that young are creatures of habit

My three year old grandson knows when I come over to visit to get his crocs on and go outside because I will be smoking ... as soon as I walk in the door lol

Jr would have done this out of habit if anyone in the room was a smoker

Moo

[bookie]

Well then I don't see how you can be so convinced he's lying if you don't even listen to what he has to say.

I think someone mentioned your mind is closed earlier. ITA


Nothing he has said has ever proven true. His track record speaks loudly.

[bookie]

I realize that now, but I also agree with another poster ( sorry, I forgot who) that if the judge decided this man needed to wear a ankle bracelet, then I still fear for children or even women in that area.

I bet IF he was held for one hour, the parents of the 9 year old little girl in 2007 don't mind at all.

I just feel if he is wearing a ankle bracelet - he could very well be dangerous and I in now way feel sorry for him or will I hold up for him. It has surprised me the posters that do, that is all I am saying.

I never said I feel sorry for him so stop twisting what I said. I have said atleast 3 times today that if he is guilty he needs to go to jail. My point from the beginning is that calling him a registered sex offender is wrong BECAUSE HE ISN'T ON THE REGISTRY. I even posted a link showing that he isn't.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Nothing he has said has ever proven true. His track record speaks loudly.


Until there is a lawsuit filed for slander/libel ... it would appear that he is speaking from he has seen/heard pretty much first hand and until that lawsuit, I for one, will listen to what he has to say

Moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

"Out of the mouths of babes", comes what they hear from adults...:wink:



Do you think Cobra asked him to go get a brick for the door?

Do you think Cobra told him to say they always use a brick?

Is Cobra really that stupid?

[bookie]

Maybe I used the wrong word - I should have said " defending" him and yes, I do see that happening and I have no idea why.


Stating indisputible facts is not defending him. No one has said he isn't guilty. No one has said he didn't abuse a child. No one has made any excuses for what he is accused of. The FACT remains that he is only accused and isn't a registered sex offender like you and panache have claimed.

[panache]

Until there is a lawsuit filed for slander/libel ... it would appear that he is speaking from he has seen/heard pretty much first hand and until that lawsuit, I for one, will listen to what he has to say

Moo

So will I. It appears some will not, most likely because they don't like the message.

moo

[bookie]

Do you think Cobra asked him to go get a brick for the door?

Do you think Cobra told him to say they always use a brick?

Is Cobra really that stupid?



I think Cobra made the whole claim up.

[panache]

Or in this case, what they've seen adults do...like prop the door open.

I wonder why Ron lied and said that door was ALWAYS locked.

That's easy. Ron wanted it to look like a *break in*. Unfortunately for him, LE said there was no forced entry.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

are you seriously trying to make something sinister out of the possibility that your assumption (by your own accord) that if crystal was at cobra's hotel room something strange must have been going on... guess what they need to be at hotel rooms because they live out of the area and need to relocate to search for haleigh everyday... unlike rc who lives right in town and spends his donations on something that no one knows about?
If this even is a fact that this happened isn't it possible that cobra said hey kid grab me something to hold this door open to see what he chose as an object, and that he picked the brick/block so cobra asked why and he said thats what they use to do it at home... all cinderblocks are not as big as the cinderblocks that you are probably picturing... and as a further possibility when you live in a mobile home type structure and you open both doors the wind can cause one of the doors to slam shut hard as hell... it is possible that on days that they wanted to air out the house (or wheel out the vacuum as they stated already) or what not they would use this method to stop that effect and maybe jr knows about it?


We already know the hard door will not stay open on its own .. so yes, that is a thought

Plus they both smoke and with Haleigh's asthma, most likely did not smoke inside so using a stopper makes sense

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think Cobra made the whole claim up.

I just cannot believe that

Makes no sense why he would do that?

[bookie]

I just cannot believe that

Makes no sense why he would do that?



Because Crystal wants custody and he's doing anything he can to help her get it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Because Crystal wants custody and he's doing anything he can to help her get it.



Lost me

He made it clear nobody had clean hands including Crystal

So how he is helping her get custody?

[panache]

I don't put anything Cobra does. IMO he is one big nut job.
Now may you could answer ,what was Crystal doing at Cobra's Motel room?? Anyone...

Did you listen to the interview. He invited Junior to swim at the pool and for ice cream.

moo

[bookie]

Got any proof of that allegation or is that just your opinion?




If you look right below my post you will see the letters IMO below a solid line. Need the definition of IMO?

[bookie]

Lost me

He made it clear nobody had clean hands including Crystal

So how he is helping her get custody?



Everything he has done since he got there has been to slime Ron. There is only one reason to do that...to help Crystal get custody.

[calamitygirl]

Do you think that Cobra has something to do with Haleigh being missing?

Where's bullyjo? :smile:

I do not understand where you are thinking that I said cobra has some thing to do with Haleigh being missing.

I am a little confused. Was your second question to me?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Everything he has done since he got there has been to slime Ron. There is only one reason to do that...to help Crystal get custody.


We see two different perspectives then

[bookie]

Thank you for posting that - I was thinking it, but I could not come up with the correct wording.


I see the double standard is back.

Ron supposedly being raised by an uncle, along with a number of other topics involving Ron, has nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance but as soon as that rumor hit another board it became fact here. Post after post after post about it and not one complaint that it was off topic. Why is that?

[TaraCrazyHair]

I just think it's tacky for a woman to go to a married mans hotel. and then we have TJH saying Crystal hit on him....I have to wonder if Haleigh and her other children are her main concern.


MOO


How did crystal hit on him?

[bookie]

O/T - Sorry, I forgot to say thank you for the links - I found them!


Your welcome.

[calamitygirl]

my post regarding citizen arrest was not meant to be a response to your comment in particular... i guess i hit the wrong button... i just decided to research the issue of citizen arrest because everyone is so focussed on the fact that he was not within his bail bondsman rights when it occured to me that his bail bonsmanship (is that even a word?) might not have anything to even do with it... I don't even know what comment of yours that was added to but it was definitely not meant for you in particular so my apologies :)

No problem. And thank you for the information on citizens arrest.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not sure,..You'll have to ask TJH.


What exactly did TJH say?

I missed that

[panache]

I just think it's tacky for a woman to go to a married mans hotel. and then we have TJH saying Crystal hit on him....I have to wonder if Haleigh and her other children are her main concern.


MOO

Nah Why would Haliegh be Crystals *concern*?

Crystal, in spite of her illness just spent the weekend with her mom Marie, passing out flyers at the Catfish Festival in Crescent City.

Last weekend She was at the Crawfish Festival in St. Augustine

and in two weeks will be doing the same at the Blue Crab Festival in Patulak.

that Crystal she just loves doing seafood festivals.

moo

[bookie]

Then how can you comment if you did not listen to the interview?

It is a very good interview and it is not just Cobra in the interview. It is long, so it is best to listen to it when you have some time.


I don't need to listen to it. Cobra has been a joke from the day he arrived in Satsuma.

[diamond]

Because Crystal wants custody and he's doing anything he can to help her get it.

I don't think Cobra is investigating the custody case. He has not reported anything about custody.

[Texas48]

I realize that now, but I also agree with another poster ( sorry, I forgot who) that if the judge decided this man needed to wear a ankle bracelet, then I still fear for children or even women in that area.

I bet IF he was held for one hour, the parents of the 9 year old little girl in 2007 don't mind at all.

I just feel if he is wearing a ankle bracelet - he could very well be dangerous and I in now way feel sorry for him or will I hold up for him. It has surprised me the posters that do, that is all I am saying.and... if he is found innocent in a court of law..will you still feel the same way? There is NOT one poster here or any other board that would condone or *feel sorry* for Snodgrass IF he is found guilty...and you very well know that. Cobra had every right to detain him and call LE right away..not wait an hour..that is the point...Why is it so hard for you to understand that any person is innocent untill proven guilty. THINK...IF..BIG IF..your son or daughter is EVER accused of a crime ..would you want the world to believe him/her to be accused and convicted without a fair trial? think about this.

[diamond]

ohhhhhhhhhhh no no Cobra did not say anything about Chad or Chloe being there. He just talked about spending time with Crystal and Jr.

When he told about Jr. propping the door open he said there were several witnesses. He did not make it sound at all like he had met Crystal there alone. From what he said there were others there.

[titanfan217]

That was my thought too

Kids that young are creatures of habit

My three year old grandson knows when I come over to visit to get his crocs on and go outside because I will be smoking ... as soon as I walk in the door lol

Jr would have done this out of habit if anyone in the room was a smoker

Moo

Believe my older grandson was 3, when I told him to put on his coat. I went upstairs to get mine, and when I came down, he was on the deck looking in the glass. Needless to say, it didn't take long for the dead bolt to be replaced with one that needs a key both sides.

[Texas48]

Who on this thread said they would want or allow him around their children? I know who he is and what he has been accused of, I don't need to look back on this thread. His info has been out there since very early on. The point was/is that he is accused, not convicted. now if you somehow get that we want him around our children then I am confused.Pia..IMO and many others opinions ..you are not confused..

[diamond]

who were those other people? was KP there?

Do you know how Crystal hit on TJH?

He did not say who those people were. He said witnesses that also saw Jr prop the door open.

No, I don't know anything about anyone hitting on anyone in this case.

[cat3]

Wasn't it also said a brick was used on a regular basis?

In which case, I repeat, that is probably a good reason Ron has not been cleared as a suspect in this case despite his time clock


Out of the mouths of babes

I didn't hear Cobra say that Jr said anything about the block holding the door open at the motel.What I heard from Cobra was more along the lines of an observation on Cobra's part about Jr propping his door open.For Cobra it was like an AHH...HAA moment,but I don't recall him saying that Jr said that they had used blocks,bricks or cinder blocks in the past.IMO

[diamond]

like Cobra said she doesn't have clean hands.....

Yes i'm implying nasty things about Crystal because a man that's trying to help find her missing daughter it telling the world she's hitting on him. That speaks volumes to me of the type of woman she really is.


MOO

How do you know it is true? He may have misunderstood her actions. How do you know that he was not just kidding around when he made what ever comment is it that you took to mean something that it may not have meant?

[titanfan217]

Or in this case, what they've seen adults do...like prop the door open.

I wonder why Ron lied and said that door was ALWAYS locked.



If it was ALWAYS locked and seldom used, why did he need to check it before he left for work? It sounded as if this was something he did every day.

About the only time someone goes in/out of my front door is to get tmail. Otherwise it's always locked, and I seldom check it between times to be sure it's locked.

[bookie]

How do you know it is true? He may have misunderstood her actions. How do you know that he was not just kidding around when he made what ever comment is it that you took to mean something that it may not have meant?



I'm amazed at all of these people surrounding Crystal joking like they do. TJ Hart was joking when he said she was hitting on him, Cobra was joking about using Amber as a hooker to get Ron to talk. Boy if it was someone on Ron's side doing all of the "joking" this board would implode.

[cat3]

I have a question and I hope I won't be blasted for it,but I am sure that I read a news article that Crystal and her group were barred from one of the fairs because they were asking for donations.This happened not to long after they opened the Haleighbug Center.
I've done three searches using different words and can't find anything on this.Does anyone here know anything about this? IMO

[bookie]

I have a question and I hope I won't be blasted for it,but I am sure that I read a news article that Crystal and her group were barred from one of the fairs because they were asking for donations.This happened not to long after the opened the Haleighbug Center.
I've done three searches using different words and can't find anything on this.Does anyone here know anything about this? IMO



IIRC it was a parade, not a fair.

[diamond]

I'm amazed at all of these people surrounding Crystal joking like they do. TJ Hart was joking when he said she was hitting on him, Cobra was joking about using Amber as a hooker to get Ron to talk. Boy if it was someone on Ron's side doing all of the "joking" this board would implode.

I never said any of them were joking. I asked FA how she knows it was not a joke when TJ said what he said.

[?noanswer]

I have a question and I hope I won't be blasted for it,but I am sure that I read a news article that Crystal and her group were barred from one of the fairs because they were asking for donations.This happened not to long after they opened the Haleighbug Center.
I've done three searches using different words and can't find anything on this.Does anyone here know anything about this? IMO

I remember reading it somewhere. Don't know if it was in the media or a message board. Don't have a link. JMO

[diamond]

and your post speak volumes to me also. For some reason IMO you have tunnel vision and don't want to believe anything neglect about Crystal. You even believe Cobra when he said Ron tried to use Jr to lure the baby out of the hosue LMBO



MOO

That was proven false about Jr.

[cat3]

IIRC it was a parade, not a fair.

Thanks.It has been bugging me because I'm sure I read about it,but couldn't find anything about it later.So this is what they do on the weekends.hmmm.IMO

[bookie]

I never said any of them were joking. I asked FA how she knows it was not a joke when TJ said what he said.


You are implying TJ Hart was joking (imo kidding around is the same as joking) about Crystal hitting on him, Tiffany seems to think Cobra was joking about using Amber as a hooker to get Ron to talk.

[Texas48]

I never said I feel sorry for him so stop twisting what I said. I have said atleast 3 times today that if he is guilty he needs to go to jail. My point from the beginning is that calling him a registered sex offender is wrong BECAUSE HE ISN'T ON THE REGISTRY. I even posted a link showing that he isn't.
Bolded word is the *key* word here bookie..yes..Snodgrass was charged....NO..I do not feel sorry for him either but I do know he is innocent untill proven guilty.

[cat3]

I remember reading it somewhere. Don't know if it was in the media or a message board. Don't have a link. JMO

Thanks,noanswer.I'm pretty sure it was an article from the media.I wouldn't have paid any attention to it otherwise.IMO

[diamond]

IIRC it was a parade, not a fair.

What parade? What happen? I did not hear about that.

[diamond]

Well, she had JR with her and even if she did not...what do you think?

I can think of a few reasons - a tip she recieved ?..... ask if he had any new information?....., anything to do with Haleigh. The opposite of what Ron is doing in my opinion.

It certainly sounds like Ron has returned to his normal life. Laying up on family members and not working. And hiding out.

[cat3]

What parade? What happen? I did not hear about that.

bookie,was answering a question for me,diamond about something I had read about donations,but so far we can't find a link so no matter.IMO

[bookie]

What parade? What happen? I did not hear about that.



It was reported somewhere that Crystal and co. were asked not to march in a parade because they were soliciting donations.

[diamond]

Exactly...............but a few on here wanted to believe Cobra when he first said it even though it didn't make any sense. Come on why would Ron send Jr up to the 3rd floor at 10pm to lure a BABY outside?

Anyone that believed that scares me :scared:



MOO

Apparently it was a rumor that spread and then died out when the 911 call was made available. I listened to the 911 call and Amber's grandmother never mentioned Junior.

[?noanswer]

Apparently it was a rumor that spread and then died out when the 911 call was made available. I listened to the 911 call and Amber's grandmother never mentioned Junior.

Rumor or whatever anyone wants to call it, it was first told by Cobra, then TJH and AH got with it. They kept it going until LE released a tape of the 911 call. JMO

[diamond]

exactly.....the man that a few around here hold stock in


MOO

Are you trying to keep that rumor going now even though it has been proven false while you start a few new rumors?

[diamond]

I don't think Ron is having female visitors at a motel. Now if Cobra had his way he would have nay nay, visiting and trying to set Ron up. If he would set Ron up what makes you think he would not set up JR. planting the idea of blocking doors open with what ever?

Because Jr is a child.

I don't think Ron and NayNay get along so I don't think Cobra would try that match.

[titanfan217]

Well, she had JR with her and even if she did not...what do you think?

I can think of a few reasons - a tip she recieved ?..... ask if he had any new information?....., anything to do with Haleigh. The opposite of what Ron is doing in my opinion.


How about something simple -- special time for JR.

[panache]

I wonder how many men she hit on while she was there........:thumbdown:


MOO

Boy, even for you that's pretty low. How you manage to get away with what you post is beyond me.

moo