What is going on with this forum?

[sensible]

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

[interested]

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

A gag order has been issued by the court. There's nothing new to discuss ATM. Once the trial starts, it'll heat up again.

The posters on this forum prefer a daily/weekly general discussion thread. Once the trial starts there may be specific issues that will prompt an individual thread, but until then there aren't many specifics, just the overview of the case we knew within the first few days.

Hope this helps.

See ya once the trial (most likely I think) gets going or a plea deal is reached. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

A gag order has been issued by the court. There's nothing new to discuss ATM. Once the trial starts, it'll heat up again.

The posters on this forum prefer a daily/weekly general discussion thread. Once the trial starts there may be specific issues that will prompt an individual thread, but until then there aren't many specifics, just the overview of the case we knew within the first few days.

Hope this helps.

See ya once the trial (most likely I think) gets going or a plea deal is reached. :seeya:

Hi, interested.

The boy plead the case out way back in February, iirc.

The hearings are still continuing and disposition of the case has yet to be finalized.

imo

[interested]

Hi, interested.

The boy plead the case out way back in February, iirc.

The hearings are still continuing and disposition of the case has yet to be finalized.

imo

TY GB, how sad is it when you can confuse two cases of children killing their parental figure.

[eagargal]

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

Hi sensible,

There are several recent documents posted on the Apache Co courthouse website relating to the April 30th hearing:

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/

There is also a news article in the local paper regarding the hearing:

http://www.wmicentral.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=20309343&BRD=2264&PAG=461&dept_id=506182&rfi=6

The next status hearing is currently slated for May 21st.

[VictimHelp]

Eagergal, can you believe Eryn had the gaul to request home schooling for CR? I can't believe the BS that she says she has been home schooling him! Thank goodness Roca is finally making him go to school at the detention center!

[dgfred]

Why would it make any difference to you whatsoever if he is getting schooled at home with the help of others and tutors? All agree he can't be at a public school, now he can't be schooled at home... only at the detention center is ok with you? Right... that makes sense :glare: . He should get any and all the education available to him however he can.

[VictimHelp]

Why would it make any difference to you whatsoever if he is getting schooled at home with the help of others and tutors? All agree he can't be at a public school, now he can't be schooled at home... only at the detention center is ok with you? Right... that makes sense :glare: . He should get any and all the education available to him however he can.

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

[dgfred]

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

Yeah I've noticed how concerned you are about his education :rolleyes: .

[GentleBreeze]

The mom must be pretty smart. She has been using teaching material from another state but has enough knowledge to know that each state requires their own curriculum which I'm sure needs to be used to teach in order for the child to get credit in Az. She simply asked for help with what is required in AZ/St.Johns.

I hope there is not anyone fool enough to go to a "message board" to help a child get an education. Ha....Now that is the joke for the year.

It's pretty clear the childs education is important to all who are actually involved. Including his mother...I don't think the classes will continue at the detention center. They may only lasted a few days...I can't remember how it was handled but there was a problem with the detention center's rule of searching him each day. I'm glad the courts have enough concern to know it's a problem.


There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

[VictimHelp]

There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!

[garcia]

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!

I don't think the boy did it....but I don't think Eryn is qualified to home school him, so either she needs a teacher to home school him or he needs to get his education at the detention facility

[VictimHelp]

CR needs to attend classes daily at the detention center, or his mom will neglect his schooling, IMO. I think she was trying to pawn off her responsibilities on some home visit teacher. Judge Roca did what was in the best interest of the child, school at the detention facility.

[stampgal]

CR needs to attend classes daily at the detention center, or his mom will neglect his schooling, IMO. I think she was trying to pawn off her responsibilities on some home visit teacher. Judge Roca did what was in the best interest of the child, school at the detention facility.

Pawn off her responsibilities??? What are you talking about???

This is such old news that CR is going to the detention center for schooling.

[stampgal]

I don't think the boy did it....but I don't think Eryn is qualified to home school him, so either she needs a teacher to home school him or he needs to get his education at the detention facility

I don't think she is qualified to home school him either. She is not a certified teacher, therefore she knew she had to get schooling for him. This had been going on for months.

[garcia]

Thank you for all your posts. ITA
IMHOO the mother can only be commended. (in reality)
fep

I'm not saying Eryn is a saint or sinner...but I don't see why she should be commended for not schooling the boy, until recently.

[VictimHelp]

IMO, Eryn is already being manipulated by CR as he has manipulated his teachers, other students and his family. It's in his nature. It's in his history.

He is manipulating Eryn to get him out of classes at juvenile so he can plain and simply watch cartoons at home, and not take any responsibilty for his schooling.

IMO, I think this boy will tell everyone and anyone whatever story he concocts so that others will "like" him or feel "sorry" for him. So they can get him out of classes, he'll tell stories about his dad and stepmom to portray them as evil. He'll tell stories about the cops to make them look bad. I think I wouldn't trust one word out of this boy's mouth.

[eagargal]

Eagergal, can you believe Eryn had the gaul to request home schooling for CR? I can't believe the BS that she says she has been home schooling him! Thank goodness Roca is finally making him go to school at the detention center!

Well, yes. Per ARS 15-802, it is the responsibility of the custodial parent to ensure that their child is attending school; either in a public or private school or through a home schooling program. Since CR has not yet been sentenced, it is up to her to abide by the statute. Appealing to the court for help in home schooling CR is appealing to the wrong venue.

It is alarmingly easy to home school a child in AZ. Per ARS 15-802, A parent need only file an affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent stating that the child is being provided with instruction in a home school. The affidavit of intent shall include:

(a) The child's name.

(b) The child's date of birth.

(c) The current address of the school the child is attending.

(d) The names, telephone numbers and addresses of the persons who currently have custody of the child.

The affidavit of intent shall be filed within thirty days from the time the child begins to attend a home school and is not required thereafter unless the the home school instruction is terminated and then resumed. The person who has custody of the child shall notify the county school superintendent within thirty days of the termination that the child is no longer being instructed at a home school. If the home school instruction is resumed, the person who has custody of the child shall file another affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent within thirty days.

Also, there are no teaching qualifications required of the person(s) providing the home schooling instruction and the only curriculum requirement in AZ is that the child be taught the subjects of reading, grammar, mathematics, social studies and science. There are no testing or reporting requirements to prove to the state education board that the child is being given grade-appropriate, adequate instruction. The only reckoning to be had would occur if and when the child is placed in a formal schooling environment, at which time he/she would have equivalency tests to determine grade placement.

Also per ARS 15-802, a parent of a child between six and sixteen years of age or a person who has custody of a child, who does not provide instruction in a home school and who fails to enroll or fails to ensure that the child attends a public, private or charter school is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor. A parent who fails to comply with the duty to file an affidavit of intent to provide instruction in a home school is guilty of a petty offense.

So, really all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit once CR had been released to her care in January. Beyond that, there are no other requirements for home schooling in AZ. That the courts decided to take over CR's schooling and will now require him to attend at the juvenile center implies that she may have been remiss in following through on this one simple requirement. IMO.

Interestingly, Eryn's divorce trial is slated to start in NM on May 21st, the same day as CR's next status hearing. She is a busy girl. IMO.

[VictimHelp]

Well, yes. Per ARS 15-802, it is the responsibility of the custodial parent to ensure that their child is attending school; either in a public or private school or through a home schooling program. Since CR has not yet been sentenced, it is up to her to abide by the statute. Appealing to the court for help in home schooling CR is appealing to the wrong venue.

It is alarmingly easy to home school a child in AZ. Per ARS 15-802, A parent need only file an affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent stating that the child is being provided with instruction in a home school. The affidavit of intent shall include:

(a) The child's name.

(b) The child's date of birth.

(c) The current address of the school the child is attending.

(d) The names, telephone numbers and addresses of the persons who currently have custody of the child.

The affidavit of intent shall be filed within thirty days from the time the child begins to attend a home school and is not required thereafter unless the the home school instruction is terminated and then resumed. The person who has custody of the child shall notify the county school superintendent within thirty days of the termination that the child is no longer being instructed at a home school. If the home school instruction is resumed, the person who has custody of the child shall file another affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent within thirty days.

Also, there are no teaching qualifications required of the person(s) providing the home schooling instruction and the only curriculum requirement in AZ is that the child be taught the subjects of reading, grammar, mathematics, social studies and science. There are no testing or reporting requirements to prove to the state education board that the child is being given grade-appropriate, adequate instruction. The only reckoning to be had would occur if and when the child is placed in a formal schooling environment, at which time he/she would have equivalency tests to determine grade placement.

Also per ARS 15-802, a parent of a child between six and sixteen years of age or a person who has custody of a child, who does not provide instruction in a home school and who fails to enroll or fails to ensure that the child attends a public, private or charter school is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor. A parent who fails to comply with the duty to file an affidavit of intent to provide instruction in a home school is guilty of a petty offense.

So, really all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit once CR had been released to her care in January. Beyond that, there are no other requirements for home schooling in AZ. That the courts decided to take over CR's schooling and will now require him to attend at the juvenile center implies that she may have been remiss in following through on this one simple requirement. IMO.

Interestingly, Eryn's divorce trial is slated to start in NM on May 21st, the same day as CR's next status hearing. She is a busy girl. IMO.

I think she'll lose custody of that kid too. If it were me, that kid would have had schooling the minute he was released, and I wouldn't have moved in with a felon, but that's just me. So I don't commend her for the FINE job she has done with her children.

[garcia]

The courts need tp decide what is in the best interest of the boy and what is in the best interest of the community, IMO.

[stampgal]

I'm not saying Eryn is a saint or sinner...but I don't see why she should be commended for not schooling the boy, until recently.

Eryn has been home schooling CR (without credentials) since he was released. The St. John's school district provided all the assignments for the rest of the year.

Does anyone really think she sat idlly by waiting for that lame county to provide his education.

What I find rather sad is that every other juvenile that is school through the juvenile system gets credit for their schooling...why again is CR subject to a different set of rules.

http://www.co.apache.az.us/Departments/ProbationServices/Juvenile/Detention.htm

The Apache County Juvenile Detention Center opened its doors for business in January of 2002. The facility was built using jail district funds. The detention center is a thirteen bed facility. The facility is open twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. There are eleven full time employees, five part time employees and one full time school teacher working at the facility. The Goals Achievement Center is an accredited school and all credits that juveniles earn in our school transfer back to the juveniles regular attended school. We are very proud of our school accreditation, this is an accomplishment that we have been working on for a long time.

[stampgal]

I think she'll lose custody of that kid too. If it were me, that kid would have had schooling the minute he was released, and I wouldn't have moved in with a felon, but that's just me. So I don't commend her for the FINE job she has done with her children.

Again...with the felon. The article said as soon as she found out she was gone.

.

[stampgal]

IMO, Eryn is already being manipulated by CR as he has manipulated his teachers, other students and his family. It's in his nature. It's in his history.

He is manipulating Eryn to get him out of classes at juvenile so he can plain and simply watch cartoons at home, and not take any responsibilty for his schooling.

IMO, I think this boy will tell everyone and anyone whatever story he concocts so that others will "like" him or feel "sorry" for him. So they can get him out of classes, he'll tell stories about his dad and stepmom to portray them as evil. He'll tell stories about the cops to make them look bad. I think I wouldn't trust one word out of this boy's mouth.

He is 9 years old. You give him a whole lot of credit.

[stampgal]

Actually he is technically out on furlough and it is the county's responsibility to provide his education. I believe Eryn is doing the best she can under the situation she is in.
She cannot work because she has "custodial" supervison of him right. She cannot afford a private tutor, the state/county failed to provide what they said they would per the MOA. She cannot even collect food stamps because CR is technically in the custoy of the state.
VH...exactly what is it you would like this woman to do?

[eagargal]

Actually he is technically out on furlough and it is the county's responsibility to provide his education. I believe Eryn is doing the best she can under the situation she is in.
She cannot work because she has "custodial" supervison of him right. She cannot afford a private tutor, the state/county failed to provide what they said they would per the MOA. She cannot even collect food stamps because CR is technically in the custoy of the state.
VH...exactly what is it you would like this woman to do?

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

[dgfred]

Maybe LE and St Johns should feel the impact of THEIR actions or lack thereof too!

[stampgal]

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

ARS 8-291
2. "Incompetent" means a juvenile who does not have sufficient present ability to consult with the juvenile's lawyer with a reasonable degree of rational understanding or who does not have a rational and factual understanding of the proceedings against the juvenile. Age alone does not render a person incompetent.

I absolutely agree with you eagargal...thre is no way CR fully understands the impact of his actions...or even what his actions were. We know Dr. Cody determined him "incompetent"...IMO I don't think the other two evaluations are going to come up with a 9 year old being competent to understand ANY of this.

[stampgal]

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible absolute discharge or conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections in accordance with section 41-2816, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

I've added the language above in red that was omitted from the entire statue of ARS 8-371. When this missing language is added it completely changes the meaning of what you are providing...the main is the meaning of "conditional liberty"

CR has not been sentenced yet, therefore he cannot be on "conditional liberty" This is where everyone is in disagreement. Eryn cannot get state assistance because he technically in the custody of the state. The reason he is out on furlough and not "conditional liberty" is because
A) he has not be sentenced yet and
B) he is too young and they don't want him in the facility


41-2816.
Secure care facilities; rehabilitative services; length of stay guidelines

A. The department shall operate and maintain or contract for secure care facilities for the custody, treatment, rehabilitation and education of youth who pose a threat to public safety, who have engaged in a pattern of conduct characterized by persistent and delinquent offenses that, as demonstrated through the use of other alternatives, cannot be controlled in a less secure setting or who have had their conditional liberty revoked pursuant to section 41-2819.
B. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall receive rehabilitative services appropriate to the youth's age, needs and abilities, including education, counseling, mental health services, recreation and vocational training.
C. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall develop length of stay guidelines that are consistent with both treatment and public safety considerations. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall annually review the length of stay guidelines. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall be assigned a length of stay pursuant to the length of stay guidelines. The length of stay shall set forth minimum and maximum review dates.


ARS 41-2818
A. After a determination by the department that a youth is not likely to be a threat to the public safety if released and that the youth's continued treatment, rehabilitation and education in a less restrictive setting are consistent with the public's safety and interest, the youth may be granted conditional liberty and placed under the care of the youth's parent or legal guardian or a resident of this state of good moral character or placed in a community based treatment center.

B. Each youth who is placed on conditional liberty is subject to the conditions imposed by the department. When conditional liberty is granted, the youth shall receive and sign a copy of the terms of conditional liberty.
C. The department shall notify the committing court and the county attorney in the county in which the youth was committed twenty days before granting conditional liberty. The department shall consider the recommendation of the court, the county attorney and the victim, if any, before granting conditional liberty.
D. If the department grants conditional liberty, the department shall provide the court and county attorney with a copy of the youth's terms of conditional liberty.

Actually, I don't think it is harsh. I understand crime and punishment. What I think is harsh is the way this has been handled. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. I agree it is a difficult situation, There's has been no indication how JR is going to sentence. Is he going to put CR in a long term rehabilitation program, is he going to put CR in a long term day treatment facility, is he going to put CR back in dentention, he is going to place CR on JIP.

I'm not sure why a select few have been so against Eryn on this. I doubt anyone here has been in this situation so one could not say what they would or would not do.

I just don't understand the total lack of sympathy for Eryn. No one here is aksing anyone to give her handouts. I doubt she has any long term plans to stay in St. John's so why should she get her own place and get a job. The city doesn't want her nor him there any longer than they want to be there.

CW closed this board down for a while because we were way off topic and only bashing Eryn and not discussing the case.

I suggest she close it down again before this gets out of hand again.

[stampgal]

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!


Correct...she never claimed to be a teacher.

[mrrogers]

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

so how do you know thats true who told you that eryn wasnt home schooling him. if you really new what was going on youd know that they got all his work from the school and she also has been using homeschooling him with homeschooling materials given to her.
yea thats a real tough move roca did. making the kid go to school 2 hours a day.
since know so much can you tell me why roca is letting him run all over the place footloose and fancy free. do you really think a judge in his right mind would do this if the kid was dangerous. the kids got a cush deal and i dont imagine if and when hes ever sentenced it will be any less that what hes already got.
you probably dont know that there is a HUGE SUPPORT NETWORK

[mrrogers]

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

so how do you know thats true who told you that eryn wasnt home schooling him. if you really new what was going on youd know that they got all his work from the school and she also has been homeschooling him with homeschooling materials given to her.
yea thats a real tough move roca did. making the kid go to school 2 hours a day.
since know so much can you tell me why roca is letting him run all over the place footloose and fancy free. do you really think a judge in his right mind would do this if the kid was dangerous. the kids got a cush deal and i dont imagine if and when hes ever sentenced it will be any less that what hes already got.
you probably dont know that there is a HUGE SUPPORT NETWORK
for eryn and cr. people have even been shown on tv saying they dont believe hes guilty. so unless you live with him and eryn i dont really think your opnions amount to much if anything at all.

[mrrogers]

There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

well there arent in education requirements for a person to homeschool all they have to do is file some paper work. anyone that can write english is elgible. even you could do it. eagargal has posted all the fancy rules about schooling him and the penalties involved. i havent seen any penalty assessed to him for anything since he was let out of detention
it was rocha that said he cant enroll in a school till hes gone thru testing to determine if hes a danger to himself or others so it rochas baby hes made the situation what it is today. i dont really think he cares that hes not meeting the requirement s of that state that all of of you have posted. whiting has been wanting him to go to the detention school since jan. 2 hours a day is gonna do a whole lot for him. on top of all that youve got the village idiots writing letters to the county atty telling him they dont want him in school and if that isnt enough the school offiicials dont know which way to jump. theyve got the knaves on one side and law on ther other . the judge heas ordered the county atty to meet with the school to determinn"whether he has to go to war with the school" or if theyll fulfill their obligation and let him in when hes deemed ok to go to school . on top of that eryn has got all his school work from school so he has work to do at home and at the detention school. id suggest you all call rocha and tell him hes not in compliance with the state laws you quote so freely and see what kind of repsonse you get. i got a pretty good idea but i think it would be better to here it from him . eagargal can call shes not that far away. while shes got him on the phone she might as well line him oot with all great euphenisms she posts here. if i was eryn id be hunting you down and suing you back to the stone age for slander and libel . ive been copying this blog for weeks now and sending it to her. so her atty will have plenty of ammo to sue you with. they dont even have to ask you for your adress they can track you down with your ip number in less than 15 minutes . that would surely liven things up

[VictimHelp]

Slander & Libel? ROFLMAO! Good Luck with that!

It's MY OPINION that Eryn was a lousy mother before this happened and I believe the same holds true today. The woman isn't even capable of taking care of herself...so how is she actually going to supervise and care for such a severely emotionally disturbed child? IMO She can not.

If Eryn wants my address all she has to do is PM me for it.

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I think there is no way she was home schooling the boy until people started complaining and even then very little...I'ld wager the boy has been homeschooled on Nickelodeon and the Disney channel!

[VictimHelp]

And how do you know that he is trying to get out of going to the school? YOU have proved your self over and over that you do not have a clue what that little boy is doing, all you are doing on here is spreading lies. Do you know this for a fact, just because your from St. Johns does not meen you know what is going on with this little boy,,, But again what can we expect you are from St. Johns

People seem to forget this boy is a lying, manipulative kid who has killed 2 men....I think you don't give him enough credit to his devious ways...I think by now he has Eryn wrapped around his finger to do whatever he wants...just my opinion.

IF it were me I would have hired a professional tutor within a week of the boy being released, but that's just me...or I would have taken him to the juvenile detention facility every day for schooling...if I couldn't afford a tutor or get a volunteer tutor with credentials, I would take him to Juvie each day but that's just me...I tend to be a little more responsible then some people...and I certainly wouldn't be connived by this manipulative boy. JMP

[sdn8tv]

People seem to forget this boy is a lying, manipulative kid who has killed 2 men....I think you don't give him enough credit to his devious ways...I think by now he has Eryn wrapped around his finger to do whatever he wants...just my opinion.

IF it were me I would have hired a professional tutor within a week of the boy being released, but that's just me...or I would have taken him to the juvenile detention facility every day for schooling...if I couldn't afford a tutor or get a volunteer tutor with credentials, I would take him to Juvie each day but that's just me...I tend to be a little more responsible then some people...and I certainly wouldn't be connived by this manipulative boy. JMP

1 - No one can say what they would do in that situation because in one's wildest dreams I don't think someone can put themself in that situation.

2- You can just take someone to the juvenile detention center and say here is my kid...educate him.

3 - You really seem to get a kick out of putting this boy down...how sad. I hope you never find yourself in a situation where a family member of your's is under fire...oh yeah...that's right your parents are Romero...very sad indeed.

[sdn8tv]

I think there is no way she was home schooling the boy until people started complaining and even then very little...I'ld wager the boy has been homeschooled on Nickelodeon and the Disney channel!

Who on earth would complain that he is not getting schooling...that doesn't even make sense.

So now not only are your parents both Romero's you know what it going on inside of Liz's house everyday...because Eryn is screaming from the roof tops what she is doing everyday...

[eagargal]

Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible absolute discharge or conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections in accordance with section 41-2816, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

I've added the language above in red that was omitted from the entire statue of ARS 8-371. When this missing language is added it completely changes the meaning of what you are providing...the main is the meaning of "conditional liberty"

CR has not been sentenced yet, therefore he cannot be on "conditional liberty" This is where everyone is in disagreement. Eryn cannot get state assistance because he technically in the custody of the state. The reason he is out on furlough and not "conditional liberty" is because
A) he has not be sentenced yet and
B) he is too young and they don't want him in the facility


41-2816.
Secure care facilities; rehabilitative services; length of stay guidelines

A. The department shall operate and maintain or contract for secure care facilities for the custody, treatment, rehabilitation and education of youth who pose a threat to public safety, who have engaged in a pattern of conduct characterized by persistent and delinquent offenses that, as demonstrated through the use of other alternatives, cannot be controlled in a less secure setting or who have had their conditional liberty revoked pursuant to section 41-2819.
B. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall receive rehabilitative services appropriate to the youth's age, needs and abilities, including education, counseling, mental health services, recreation and vocational training.
C. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall develop length of stay guidelines that are consistent with both treatment and public safety considerations. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall annually review the length of stay guidelines. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall be assigned a length of stay pursuant to the length of stay guidelines. The length of stay shall set forth minimum and maximum review dates.


ARS 41-2818
A. After a determination by the department that a youth is not likely to be a threat to the public safety if released and that the youth's continued treatment, rehabilitation and education in a less restrictive setting are consistent with the public's safety and interest, the youth may be granted conditional liberty and placed under the care of the youth's parent or legal guardian or a resident of this state of good moral character or placed in a community based treatment center.

B. Each youth who is placed on conditional liberty is subject to the conditions imposed by the department. When conditional liberty is granted, the youth shall receive and sign a copy of the terms of conditional liberty.
C. The department shall notify the committing court and the county attorney in the county in which the youth was committed twenty days before granting conditional liberty. The department shall consider the recommendation of the court, the county attorney and the victim, if any, before granting conditional liberty.
D. If the department grants conditional liberty, the department shall provide the court and county attorney with a copy of the youth's terms of conditional liberty.

Actually, I don't think it is harsh. I understand crime and punishment. What I think is harsh is the way this has been handled. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. I agree it is a difficult situation, There's has been no indication how JR is going to sentence. Is he going to put CR in a long term rehabilitation program, is he going to put CR in a long term day treatment facility, is he going to put CR back in dentention, he is going to place CR on JIP.

I'm not sure why a select few have been so against Eryn on this. I doubt anyone here has been in this situation so one could not say what they would or would not do.

I just don't understand the total lack of sympathy for Eryn. No one here is aksing anyone to give her handouts. I doubt she has any long term plans to stay in St. John's so why should she get her own place and get a job. The city doesn't want her nor him there any longer than they want to be there.

CW closed this board down for a while because we were way off topic and only bashing Eryn and not discussing the case.

I suggest she close it down again before this gets out of hand again.

I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the statutes. ARS 41-216 does not apply to CR at this time as he is not being confined, which is why I did not include it in my previous post.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing evidence that the Order of Confinement, which stipulated that CR was on probation as of 06-JAN-09, was ever quashed. The conditional liberty was defined (however vaguely) by point 8 of the Memorandum of Agreement, which was signed by CR, fulfilling the requirement that you bolded in ARS 41-2128.

There is no "bashing" going on; there are merely comments being made regarding Eryn's actions, which are quite civil compared to the free-for-all speculations made about the entire Romero and Romans families in prior threads. IMO.

[eagargal]

Slander & Libel? ROFLMAO! Good Luck with that!

It's MY OPINION that Eryn was a lousy mother before this happened and I believe the same holds true today. The woman isn't even capable of taking care of herself...so how is she actually going to supervise and care for such a severely emotionally disturbed child? IMO She can not.

If Eryn wants my address all she has to do is PM me for it.

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ITA, ITA, ITA!!!....and a grammar lesson wouldn't hurt, either:biggrin:

[VictimHelp]

ITA, ITA, ITA!!!....and a grammar lesson wouldn't hurt, either:biggrin:


Linda & EagerGal....

I'm totally convinced CR will kill again...I think it is in his nature....it is in his nature to manipulate and lie...and sugar coating his actions, his killing of two men coldly and mercilessly doesn't make it right...and saying he is only 9 doesn't mean squat to me...9 year olds are capable of killing...9 year olds can be seriously disturbed...and this boy fits the bill...I think I know this boy better than most and what he is capable of, and when he gets mad "WATCH OUT!"

[garcia]

Linda & EagerGal....

I'm totally convinced CR will kill again...I think it is in his nature....it is in his nature to manipulate and lie...and sugar coating his actions, his killing of two men coldly and mercilessly doesn't make it right...and saying he is only 9 doesn't mean squat to me...9 year olds are capable of killing...9 year olds can be seriously disturbed...and this boy fits the bill...I think I know this boy better than most and what he is capable of, and when he gets mad "WATCH OUT!"

I don't think he did it....but if he did it's because in tv you shoot someone and they get back up.

Saying that, I don't think Eryn is a bad person although her past history shows she's irresponsible and not capable of taking care of children. IMO, the feeble attempts she has made at schooling are pathetic.
She could have spoken up in january through the press about schooling. That wouldn't be any gag order violation! Or feb., or March, etc....

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think he did it....but if he did it's because in tv you shoot someone and they get back up.

Saying that, I don't think Eryn is a bad person although her past history shows she's irresponsible and not capable of taking care of children. IMO, the feeble attempts she has made at schooling are pathetic.
She could have spoken up in january through the press about schooling. That wouldn't be any gag order violation! Or feb., or March, etc....

I really don't think that is the case with this boy, garcia. He hunted small game with this very weapon and knew most assuredly, when he shot the game he hunted, they were never going to get back up again..ever.

imo

[stampgal]

Linda & EagerGal....

I'm totally convinced CR will kill again...I think it is in his nature....it is in his nature to manipulate and lie...and sugar coating his actions, his killing of two men coldly and mercilessly doesn't make it right...and saying he is only 9 doesn't mean squat to me...9 year olds are capable of killing...9 year olds can be seriously disturbed...and this boy fits the bill...I think I know this boy better than most and what he is capable of, and when he gets mad "WATCH OUT!"


You know this boy better than most...who incredibly sad!

Some 49 year olds can be seriously disturbed too. Have you seen his psych evals? Is this what they professionals think too?
Interesting...you say it is in his nature...you claim your parents last name is Romero...hmm...where exactly does that nature come from...
Liz & Leroy - domestic violence
Vincent & Erica - domestic violence
hmm...I see a pattern and you claim to know this boy better than most and you say it is in his nature...interesting...perhaps it is...perhaps he has just seen too much violence in his young life

[stampgal]

I don't think he did it....but if he did it's because in tv you shoot someone and they get back up.

Saying that, I don't think Eryn is a bad person although her past history shows she's irresponsible and not capable of taking care of children. IMO, the feeble attempts she has made at schooling are pathetic.
She could have spoken up in january through the press about schooling. That wouldn't be any gag order violation! Or feb., or March, etc....

Did you see her UNPAID interview with GMA in February...she did say he is not getting schooling and she was concerned.

[stampgal]

I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the statutes. ARS 41-216 does not apply to CR at this time as he is not being confined, which is why I did not include it in my previous post.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing evidence that the Order of Confinement, which stipulated that CR was on probation as of 06-JAN-09, was ever quashed. The conditional liberty was defined (however vaguely) by point 8 of the Memorandum of Agreement, which was signed by CR, fulfilling the requirement that you bolded in ARS 41-2128.

There is no "bashing" going on; there are merely comments being made regarding Eryn's actions, which are quite civil compared to the free-for-all speculations made about the entire Romero and Romans families in prior threads. IMO.

I don't have a JD but I can read. He has not been sentenced.
All the free-for-all speculations in previous threads have been supported by documentation...unlike the "quite civil" comments made here about Eryn. Nobody is perfect in this world and I'm sure we can all say we have done things in our life that we wish we could have done differently. As in any divorce, a child cannot be cut in two...they have to live with a parent...unfortunately...Eryn is a much a product of her enviornment as is CR.

It is very sad when folks get their jollies by continuing to further damage a family that is already as beat down as a family can get...escpecially when some of those folks claim to be family.

Certainly, I understand family members are hurt, they miss both Vince and Tim...but what possible satisifaction could there be in further beating down this family.

Wouldn't it be nice if that energy was used to foster something good out of this awful situation.

[VictimHelp]

I really don't think that is the case with this boy, garcia. He hunted small game with this very weapon and knew most assuredly, when he shot the game he hunted, they were never going to get back up again..ever.

imo

I agree CR knew what he was doing...

[VictimHelp]

You know this boy better than most...who incredibly sad!

Some 49 year olds can be seriously disturbed too. Have you seen his psych evals? Is this what they professionals think too?
Interesting...you say it is in his nature...you claim your parents last name is Romero...hmm...where exactly does that nature come from...
Liz & Leroy - domestic violence
Vincent & Erica - domestic violence
hmm...I see a pattern and you claim to know this boy better than most and you say it is in his nature...interesting...perhaps it is...perhaps he has just seen too much violence in his young life

Or simply maybe home life was great, and the defect is in the boy, not the family. To me, the boy is lying and manipulative and capable of shooting another.

[VictimHelp]

Did you see her UNPAID interview with GMA in February...she did say he is not getting schooling and she was concerned.

I think that was the unpaid interview, where they PAID her an appearance fee of 30-40 thousand...and in that interview she didn't seem too concerned about his schooling...

[VictimHelp]

StampGal--wouldn't it be nice if CR was in 24/7 in house psychological counselling until 18 to help prevent further murders, to keep the community safe, I think that would be nice...

[garcia]

I really don't think that is the case with this boy, garcia. He hunted small game with this very weapon and knew most assuredly, when he shot the game he hunted, they were never going to get back up again..ever.

imo

Good argument! I see your point, the boy would have to know about death.....I would agree cartoons would not be a good explanation in this case.....but that still doesn't mean he did it. Convince me he was the killer...I have a hard time believing a 9 yr old would do it.

[stampgal]

I think that was the unpaid interview, where they PAID her an appearance fee of 30-40 thousand...and in that interview she didn't seem too concerned about his schooling...

Oh yeah right they paid her an appearance fee because she is such a celebrity. Live via satellite from Show Low, Arizona....Ms. Eryn. That just sounds ricidilous.

You are so wrong. Please find one GMA "appearance" fee for a non-celebrity where paid money...especially that kind of money.

Your lack of knowledge of morning show interviews/appearance only confirms that most everything else you post is of the same nonsense.

[stampgal]

StampGal--wouldn't it be nice if CR was in 24/7 in house psychological counselling until 18 to help prevent further murders, to keep the community safe, I think that would be nice...

What I think would be nice is that this young troubled boy get the help he needs to try and have somewhat of a normal life. What I think would have been nice is if someone listened to CR and his cries for help BEFORE this happened. What I think would be nice is if people would remember at the end of the day this boy is 9 years old. What I think would be nice is for people to leave this young family alone. But as long as there are people out there that get their jollies from bashing a desperate mother and a troubled young boy...there will be people like me (there's lots of us) who will continue to be there to defend and support them!

[Details]

Good argument! I see your point, the boy would have to know about death.....I would agree cartoons would not be a good explanation in this case.....but that still doesn't mean he did it. Convince me he was the killer...I have a hard time believing a 9 yr old would do it.We've been through months of discussion on this - IMO - I don't think it's possible that he did do it - the forensics do not match, IMO. A gunshot into a man's chest going downwards has to have been fired by someone taller than him, or he has to have been sitting or kneeling. There are TWO of these - and the idea that he sat or kneeled after already being shot in the chest once, waiting as the boy reloaded, to be shot in the chest a second time makes no sense. That, along with many other factors - it just makes no sense to me.

He knows that he shoots an animal, the animal is dead - sorta - there will be another one that looks just the same the next time he goes out shooting. However - even kids who know all about death don't generally get that this same principal applies to people, especially those they know. TV shows, cartoons - people get shot, and laugh it off (cartoon) or recover easily (dramas a kid is likely to see). But that applies only if he did it.

The DA plead the case down to a charge that does not even say he did it - merely that he could have stopped one of the murders and didn't. They went as far away from murder as they could - the charge doesn't even say he held the gun - in order to get a plea and not have to go to trial. It was obvious what they thought about the strength of their case - especially considering that they started out talking about double murder, charge him as an adult.

[sdn8tv]

If Eryn is as much a product of her environment as her son...isn't that like the blind leading the blind? :confused:

I have no jollies to get. I certainly don't think *I* am in any way shape or form "damaging" what's left of the boy's family.

The only thing I am concerned about is, protecting society from this child, until such time as he is deemed rehabilitated.

Eryn is not the one who "lead" this boy...Vince was.

Why do you feel the need to protect "society" from a child, who was abused by his parents, who had a part in the death of his father, due to the abuse AND 3000 miles away from you. Are you really that concerned with this case? I highly doubt your two paths will ever even cross.

[sdn8tv]

We've been through months of discussion on this - IMO - I don't think it's possible that he did do it - the forensics do not match, IMO. A gunshot into a man's chest going downwards has to have been fired by someone taller than him, or he has to have been sitting or kneeling. There are TWO of these - and the idea that he sat or kneeled after already being shot in the chest once, waiting as the boy reloaded, to be shot in the chest a second time makes no sense. That, along with many other factors - it just makes no sense to me.

He knows that he shoots an animal, the animal is dead - sorta - there will be another one that looks just the same the next time he goes out shooting. However - even kids who know all about death don't generally get that this same principal applies to people, especially those they know. TV shows, cartoons - people get shot, and laugh it off (cartoon) or recover easily (dramas a kid is likely to see). But that applies only if he did it.

The DA plead the case down to a charge that does not even say he did it - merely that he could have stopped one of the murders and didn't. They went as far away from murder as they could - the charge doesn't even say he held the gun - in order to get a plea and not have to go to trial. It was obvious what they thought about the strength of their case - especially considering that they started out talking about double murder, charge him as an adult.

Details,
This is an excellent post and I could not agree with you more.:thumbsup:

[sdn8tv]

We've been through months of discussion on this - IMO - I don't think it's possible that he did do it - the forensics do not match, IMO. A gunshot into a man's chest going downwards has to have been fired by someone taller than him, or he has to have been sitting or kneeling. There are TWO of these - and the idea that he sat or kneeled after already being shot in the chest once, waiting as the boy reloaded, to be shot in the chest a second time makes no sense. That, along with many other factors - it just makes no sense to me.

He knows that he shoots an animal, the animal is dead - sorta - there will be another one that looks just the same the next time he goes out shooting. However - even kids who know all about death don't generally get that this same principal applies to people, especially those they know. TV shows, cartoons - people get shot, and laugh it off (cartoon) or recover easily (dramas a kid is likely to see). But that applies only if he did it.

The DA plead the case down to a charge that does not even say he did it - merely that he could have stopped one of the murders and didn't. They went as far away from murder as they could - the charge doesn't even say he held the gun - in order to get a plea and not have to go to trial. It was obvious what they thought about the strength of their case - especially considering that they started out talking about double murder, charge him as an adult.


Don't forget the FIRST shot was to Vince's upper left arm. Maybe enough to stun the cr*p out of him but not take him down. If he knew the shooter standing in front of him was his 8 year old son he would certainly have enough strength to react to this before he could reload the gun and shoot again. I have every grown man I know this question and they all agreed to this. Vince was 5'11"...certainly he would have a pretty good reach about him

[Details]

With all due respect...he plead guilty. That part is over with as far as I am concerned.He didn't plead guilty to murder. Nor to doing anything to his father.

They dropped the charges all the way to negligent homicide (allowing someone to die through negligence - that sound anything remotely like firing a gun into someone's chest twice?) on only the roommate, to get that guilty plea. To me, that is an indictment of the prosecutor's case, that they knew their case for murder was not strong enough to withstand trial. They weren't even afraid of a runaway jury - this would go before a judge. But they offered the most ridiculously low plea possible.

So you can't say he plead guilty to murder, nor did he plead guilty to hurting his father in any way, not even merely through negligence.

[sdn8tv]

There is ABSOLUTELY ZERO evidence of any kind of abuse. But you feel free to beat that imaginary drum if you'd like.

Obviously, I am "really that concerned with this case" or I wouldn't be here.:rolleyes:

Unlike many people, a crime doesn't need to be committed in my own backyard before I care. I didn't realize in your world, residence in St. Johns was a requirement to care. Is there not anything YOU care about outside of your own neighborhood?

There is very little evidence that is available to the public. Imagine that, someone finally decided that this child is a juvenile and all his records should not be made public.

Roll your eyes at me, I could care less. There are some posters here who are truly concerned about this case because they have some connection to this family and/or community. Then there are the posers who troll these crime boards for nothing more than a hobby.:glare:

[sdn8tv]

Well then you can stay out of Arizona, and you will not be in any danger:w00t:

That would be a workable solution

[Toggie]

I think that was the unpaid interview, where they PAID her an appearance fee of 30-40 thousand...and in that interview she didn't seem too concerned about his schooling...

Can you provide a link to the amount Eryn was paid? I want to read it and not just accept your word she was paid a fee.

Thanks!

[sdn8tv]

Can you provide a link to the amount Eryn was paid? I want to read it and not just accept your word she was paid a fee.

Thanks!

I can tell you I know Eryn the only thing she got paid for was her travel expenses to New York and only her travel expenses.

[sdn8tv]

Maybe I just don't get it....but how does posting on a message board how bad people are do one thing to protect society from anything or anybody? It may protect society from having us posters out among people while we are blabbing here but other than that I don't see it does one thing....but if anyone thinks different....LOL think on... it's no skin off my back. fep
It is an imaginary protection.:laugh:

[sdn8tv]

If I got 40K I sure wouldnt be living with other people. I would have my own place for me and my child, you know since Eryn is so disfunctional, and all she really cares about is her self you would think she would make sure she wasnt with her sons family so they could not see how disfunctional she really is :tonguewag: Being a smart ***:wub:

There's some in town who actually thinks she drives around town in a tricked out escalade...they say that is what she spent her money on...right...it is kept inside the garage while she is out running around town in her regualr car. When she moves into that Beverly Hills mansion she bought with her celebrity status she will start driving that escalade...
Watch now someone will take that and run with that as fact. How long do you think it will be before we see that again on a different site?

[Toggie]

I can tell you I know Eryn the only thing she got paid for was her travel expenses to New York and only her travel expenses.


Thank you for that information but a poster here is claiming Eryn received 30-40 grand and I would like a link provided to state that she received that inflated amount.

[GentleBreeze]

Don't forget the FIRST shot was to Vince's upper left arm. Maybe enough to stun the cr*p out of him but not take him down. If he knew the shooter standing in front of him was his 8 year old son he would certainly have enough strength to react to this before he could reload the gun and shoot again. I have every grown man I know this question and they all agreed to this. Vince was 5'11"...certainly he would have a pretty good reach about him

How do you know where the shooter was standing each time when he was shot? How do you know what Vinnie could do or not do? How do you know the first shot was to his elbow?

All the grown men I know .......knows a human being cant eat a bullet or stop one that is coming every 4-5 seconds.

A .22 bullet can travel a long distance. I doubt he was close to him. In fact didnt the police say that none of the shots to Vinnie were close range shots and only one to Tim?

Are you saying all kids who kill with a firearm could have been stopped by their victims?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Good argument! I see your point, the boy would have to know about death.....I would agree cartoons would not be a good explanation in this case.....but that still doesn't mean he did it. Convince me he was the killer...I have a hard time believing a 9 yr old would do it.

I think that is a normal reaction, garcia and most do not want to believe a boy this young could do these brutal crimes. Sometimes I think it is much better mentally to think he didn't do it for if we take a long hard look it scares the heebie jeebies out of us. We all know 8 and 9 year olds and I think it is also natural somewhat to compare all boys with the one's we have encountered and of course those boys we know have never been accused of doing such heinous acts. Imo, it is hard to separate that and this boy who is totally different.

I am not trying to convince anyone that he did this. It is your right to believe as you do and I respect that. But for me I have been convinced ever since the time line was known. Imo, it is simple, there wasn't time for anyone else to do both murders and then for him to do what he said he did.

I do believe we will see other younger kids murdering. Shortly after this case there was an 11 year old that murdered a pregnant woman. So being young does not mean they will never murder because they do.

imo

[sdn8tv]

Thank you for that information but a poster here is claiming Eryn received 30-40 grand and I would like a link provided to state that she received that inflated amount.

Yes I would love to see that link as well. One could do a lot with 40K...especially in St. John's. I agree with Mof4...she sure would be living with her son's grandmother.

VH...please provide your proof. TIA

[sdn8tv]

How do you know where the shooter was standing each time when he was shot? How do you know what Vinnie could do or not do? How do you know the first shot was to his elbow?

All the grown men I know .......knows a human being cant eat a bullet or stop one that is coming every 4-5 seconds.

A .22 bullet can travel a long distance. I doubt he was close to him. In fact didnt the police say that none of the shots to Vinnie were close range shots and only one to Tim?

Are you saying all kids who kill with a firearm could have been stopped by their victims?

imo

I never said the word eat or all. Don't spin my words.

One can gather from the autopsy and police report where the first shot. He was found laying down with his arms folded under him. Do the math!

[GentleBreeze]

We've been through months of discussion on this - IMO - I don't think it's possible that he did do it - the forensics do not match, IMO. A gunshot into a man's chest going downwards has to have been fired by someone taller than him, or he has to have been sitting or kneeling. There are TWO of these - and the idea that he sat or kneeled after already being shot in the chest once, waiting as the boy reloaded, to be shot in the chest a second time makes no sense. That, along with many other factors - it just makes no sense to me.

He knows that he shoots an animal, the animal is dead - sorta - there will be another one that looks just the same the next time he goes out shooting. However - even kids who know all about death don't generally get that this same principal applies to people, especially those they know. TV shows, cartoons - people get shot, and laugh it off (cartoon) or recover easily (dramas a kid is likely to see). But that applies only if he did it.

The DA plead the case down to a charge that does not even say he did it - merely that he could have stopped one of the murders and didn't. They went as far away from murder as they could - the charge doesn't even say he held the gun - in order to get a plea and not have to go to trial. It was obvious what they thought about the strength of their case - especially considering that they started out talking about double murder, charge him as an adult.

I don't agree with your assessment about him not knowing the finality of death. I started hunting a 7 years old and I had it drill into my head constantly that I better never point my weapon toward another human being because I could kill someone. I knew exactly what that meant..just like I knew if I fired into small game they were going to die.

The DA and THE DEFENSE plead this case out. What were they to do with him? They didn't even have a place for him when he was first arrested. To have him there even that short time cost more money for the state because they had to post a detention officer with him at all time because they had to hold him in a lone cell. Detention centers are meant for groups of juveniles not singular ones. The officers guard all the kids at one time in different areas they are in throughout the day.

The kids there were an average of 3 years older than he is and IMO, they were there for much lesser crimes. He didn't fit in with them and they didn't fit in with him. Roca said over and over case like THIS (double homicides) and this boy's age has no place in the juvenile justice system.

He lucked out simply because he was the youngest murder defendant in AZ to date. The biggest plus for him was he began his murders at the young age of 8 years old. So they plead it down so that it would be reasonable for him to get probation since he was waaaaaay too young even for juvie and waaaay too young for adult prison.

They had the biggest dilemma that any Prosecutor in the country has had to wrestle with and I know all the Prosecutors in this country hope like heck they never have to deal this hand again.

No one knows but the shooter where the victims were or what transpired as they were fired upon. There are too many unknown variables.

The plea when taken on face value doesn't make a bit of sense. He said he shot them both in the head but there was no need to charge him with the death of his father when the juvenile system had no place to put this boy who was an aberration anyway.

Hunters don't shot into the chest to easy the pain and suffering of an animal. They shoot the animal in the head. That is why he shot BOTH of them in the head after he had wounded them. He learned well but he just didnt respect gun safety rules or the victims.


imo

[GentleBreeze]

I never said the word eat or all. Don't spin my words.

One can gather from the autopsy and police report where the first shot. He was found laying down with his arms folded under him. Do the math!

No one knows the positions he was in before he took his last breathe and could no longer get up but lay there and died. Even if his arms were folded under him when he fell his elbows could have been out to his sides.

imo

[sdn8tv]

I don't agree with your assessment about him not knowing the finality of death. I started hunting a 7 years old and I had it drill into my head constantly that I better never point my weapon toward another human being because I could kill someone. I knew exactly what that meant..just like I knew if I fired into small game they were going to die.

The DA and THE DEFENSE plead this case out. What were they to do with him? They didn't even have a place for him when he was first arrested. To have him there even that short time cost more money for the state because they had to post a detention officer with him at all time because they had to hold him in a lone cell. Detention centers are meant for groups of juveniles not singular ones. The officers guard all the kids at one time in different areas they are in throughout the day.

The kids there were an average of 3 years older than he is and IMO, they were there for much lesser crimes. He didn't fit in with them and they didn't fit in with him. Roca said over and over case like THIS (double homicides) and this boy's age has no place in the juvenile justice system.

He lucked out simply because he was the youngest murder defendant in AZ to date. The biggest plus for him was he began his murders at the young age of 8 years old. So they plead it down so that it would be reasonable for him to get probation since he was waaaaaay too young even for juvie and waaaay too young for adult prison.

They had the biggest dilemma that any Prosecutor in the country has had to wrestle with and I know all the Prosecutors in this country hope like heck they never have to deal this hand again.

No one knows but the shooter where the victims were or what transpired as they were fired upon. There are too many unknown variables.

The plea when taken on face value doesn't make a bit of sense. He said he shot them both in the head but there was no need to charge him with the death of his father when the juvenile system had no place to put this boy who was an aberration anyway.

Hunters don't shot into the chest to easy the pain and suffering of an animal. They shoot the animal in the head. That is why he shot BOTH of them in the head after he had wounded them. He learned well but he just didnt respect gun safety rules or the victims.


imo

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...

[Toggie]

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...


Interesting to read Liz & Leroy don't talk to Tiffany anymore...I bet they know even more about what went on in Tiffany's home. The place where CR was suppose to feel safe....

What kind of person is this Tiffany? Even if she didn't spank the boy...she would have witnessed or maybe even heard his father doing it and she stood by and did nothing?

[VictimHelp]

Eryn is not the one who "lead" this boy...Vince was.

Why do you feel the need to protect "society" from a child, who was abused by his parents, who had a part in the death of his father, due to the abuse AND 3000 miles away from you. Are you really that concerned with this case? I highly doubt your two paths will ever even cross.


The only abuse in this case is CR's abuse of his dad by KILLING him...

[VictimHelp]

That would be a workable solution


a better solution....lock the boy up...since jail isn't an option until he commits another crime...a 24/7 residential treatment facility...

[VictimHelp]

I can tell you I know Eryn the only thing she got paid for was her travel expenses to New York and only her travel expenses.

Oh then you admit she was PAID.......and I think she got at least 30-40K to travel to NY.

[VictimHelp]

Yes I would love to see that link as well. One could do a lot with 40K...especially in St. John's. I agree with Mof4...she sure would be living with her son's grandmother.

VH...please provide your proof. TIA

I think she may have spending some of the money on her boyfriend or drugs...40K doesn't go far, IMO

[VictimHelp]

I do NOT believe for one second the state of Arizona would release a dangerous cold blooded killer no matter what the age. If this kid is as dangerous as some implies there are NO doubts that some form of housing “would” have been provided. It wasn't... the child is out living with his mother and Dad's parents to my understanding and that alone speaks volumes when you apply common sense. fep

Or the state doesnt want bad PR.....I believe left "loose" he will kill again....

[VictimHelp]

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...

Probably because CR is manipulating them and lying to them...there was no abuse....all the other Romeros talk to Tiffany because they know CR is a lying manipulative killer, I think.

[VictimHelp]

Interesting to read Liz & Leroy don't talk to Tiffany anymore...I bet they know even more about what went on in Tiffany's home. The place where CR was suppose to feel safe....

What kind of person is this Tiffany? Even if she didn't spank the boy...she would have witnessed or maybe even heard his father doing it and she stood by and did nothing?

Tiffany and Vonce were great people...the bad seed was CR who lies and manipulates, IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...

I do see where you get that he had to just get up one day and decide to kill his dad. He had made death threats about his dad before that day. So he was already thinking about it before he did it.

Being hard on a child does not mean that he was being abused. Some parents are strict parents especially if they are having problems with the child being a habitual liar and bully. Yes, he did panic when he couldn't get his paper from the teacher for being good in class. She said she did not give him the paper because he did not deserve it and had been picking on another student.

Whether Liz and Leroy had domestic violence during their marriage has absolutely nothing to do with this boy. Millions of children that come from abusive homes do not abuse their own children and there is no evidence that Vinnie nor Tiff abused this boy.

I highly doubt that Tiffany is trying to speak to the Romeros. Why would she? They house the person who killed her husband.

imo

[garcia]

My theory on why they don't speak to Tiffany anymore..........the boy is a proven LIAR and he's filling their heads with more lies to make himself look like a victim. Sadly, the family will chose to believe him or denial will kick in rather than attempt to comprehend he's a cold blooded killer. IMO

It's funny that the only Romeros who don't talk to or see TR are Liz and Leroy...all the others like TR, why is that????

[eagargal]

well there arent in education requirements for a person to homeschool all they have to do is file some paper work. anyone that can write english is elgible. even you could do it. eagargal has posted all the fancy rules about schooling him and the penalties involved. i havent seen any penalty assessed to him for anything since he was let out of detention
it was rocha that said he cant enroll in a school till hes gone thru testing to determine if hes a danger to himself or others so it rochas baby hes made the situation what it is today. i dont really think he cares that hes not meeting the requirement s of that state that all of of you have posted. whiting has been wanting him to go to the detention school since jan. 2 hours a day is gonna do a whole lot for him. on top of all that youve got the village idiots writing letters to the county atty telling him they dont want him in school and if that isnt enough the school offiicials dont know which way to jump. theyve got the knaves on one side and law on ther other . the judge heas ordered the county atty to meet with the school to determinn"whether he has to go to war with the school" or if theyll fulfill their obligation and let him in when hes deemed ok to go to school . on top of that eryn has got all his school work from school so he has work to do at home and at the detention school. id suggest you all call rocha and tell him hes not in compliance with the state laws you quote so freely and see what kind of repsonse you get. i got a pretty good idea but i think it would be better to here it from him . eagargal can call shes not that far away. while shes got him on the phone she might as well line him oot with all great euphenisms she posts here. if i was eryn id be hunting you down and suing you back to the stone age for slander and libel . ive been copying this blog for weeks now and sending it to her. so her atty will have plenty of ammo to sue you with. they dont even have to ask you for your adress they can track you down with your ip number in less than 15 minutes . that would surely liven things up

Hmm. Good Luck with that slander suit, I don't recall having ever SPOKEN to you or Eryn.

That's awfully kind of you to share this blog with her, although I'm sure she's quite capable of reading these pages for herself after she's caught up with her Myspace browsing. Tell me, do you think Eryn also read that abc15 comment board regarding Tiffany's accident where you claimed to be married to her (Eryn)? All in good fun and just to rile up the board, in your words.

And speaking of illegal activities, how about that comment entry of yours on a KPHO message board where you claimed to know all about Tiffany's progress, since you went to the hospital where she's recovering and stood outside her room peeking in but decided not to go in as she was sleeping? I'm sure the Flagstaff PD would be interested in that.

You really ought to get a grip on your own actions before you start firing off illegible rants with such feeble attempts at intimidation. IMO.

[eagargal]

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...

Liz, Leroy and Tiffany do not talk anymore because they remind each other of tragedy. It is a common coping mechanism among victims. IMO.

[VictimHelp]

It's funny that the only Romeros who don't talk to or see TR are Liz and Leroy...all the others like TR, why is that????

I think all the Romeros except Liz & Leroy talk to Tiffany because they haven't been lied and manipulated by the boy...

[VictimHelp]

Hmm. Good Luck with that slander suit, I don't recall having ever SPOKEN to you or Eryn.

That's awfully kind of you to share this blog with her, although I'm sure she's quite capable of reading these pages for herself after she's caught up with her Myspace browsing. Tell me, do you think Eryn also read that abc15 comment board regarding Tiffany's accident where you claimed to be married to her (Eryn)? All in good fun and just to rile up the board, in your words.

And speaking of illegal activities, how about that comment entry of yours on a KPHO message board where you claimed to know all about Tiffany's progress, since you went to the hospital where she's recovering and stood outside her room peeking in but decided not to go in as she was sleeping? I'm sure the Flagstaff PD would be interested in that.

You really ought to get a grip on your own actions before you start firing off illegible rants with such feeble attempts at intimidation. IMO.

EagerGal...I think more lies.....because I think security was tight to prevent the media from seeing her...no one was allowed in the room without permission, I think.

[garcia]

What about what the boy said the white car, like his grandpas???

[VictimHelp]

How do you know what he did and why he did it.
Lucky and biggest plus are not two words I used to describe anything that happened here.
I cannot believe how such a select few think for one minute an 8 year old boy is going along his merry way and just wakes up and decides I'm going to kill my dad today.
This kid sat there and worked himself into a frenzy because he got beat the night before for not bringing home a paper that said he was good (even though he wasn't one of "those kids") and knew he was most likely going to get the snot beat out of him again that night.
Violence breeds Violence. He reached out to his mother, she checked to see what was happening...he gets beat again.
Vince's own mother "knew this was going to happen...they were too hard on him".
VH...ask Liz and Leroy why they don't talk to Tiffany anymore...

Too funny! Liz was probably the person who saw Vince & Tiffany the least, except to have Vince come over and mow her lawn, or to borrow money from Tiffany...they lived with Vince's sister Francesca while their home was being built. Francesca never reported any violence. I doubt Liz knows much other than what CR is lying to her about.

Instead ask why the rest of the Romeros don't talk to Liz...that's the better question.

[dgfred]

I think tomorrow is the date of the next hearing(s).

[garcia]

Too funny! Liz was probably the person who saw Vince & Tiffany the least, except to have Vince come over and mow her lawn, or to borrow money from Tiffany...they lived with Vince's sister Francesca while their home was being built. Francesca never reported any violence. I doubt Liz knows much other than what CR is lying to her about.

Instead ask why the rest of the Romeros don't talk to Liz...that's the better question.

Maybe Liz is resentful at tiffany for taking her boy from her, who did all her chores, and provided her with money??

[VictimHelp]

Maybe Liz is resentful at tiffany for taking her boy from her, who did all her chores, and provided her with money??

I think that's why she didn't like Tiffany plus I think she always liked Eryn better than Tiffany. But Liz sure liked to eat FREE lunches at Tiffany's house all the time... and the rest of the Romeros pretty much like Tiffany a lot!

[garcia]

I hope you will never say that you were one of VR friends, the way you trash his son is horriable. You must be in the bed with Tif or something the way you talk so highly dont worry karma is a B***, O thats right she might have already got it, now your turn...

I think you sound like a person who has a lot of hostility. Please tone it down. VH & mother of Boys sound too personally involved. You should both leave this message board.

[garcia]

O yeah and tell miss Tiff she should be ashamed of her self....

I don't understand why you quote yourself, and then you answer your own quote???

[VictimHelp]

Instead of blaming the victims, Tim, Vince, Tim's wife and daughters, Vince's wife.....start blaming the real culprit CR who is still "loose" on the streets of St. Johns. I really think he is capable and will kill again, JMO. I think Myself and many others, including other Romeros, here do not want him in St. Johns.

[VictimHelp]

OMG!:scared: What a horrific post! :scared:

Linda.....it sounds like she or he went off the deep end..........

[Toggie]

Receiving a travel stipend is not the same as receiving payment for a few min. interview.:rolleyes:

As far as you waiting for a link of abuse; I never said I'd provide one.

Based on what I've read....IMO, the boy was mentally abused by Tiffany. No link to my opinion, sorry.

[VictimHelp]

She visited CR in juvie and I think she was going to stand by him...until he told her and a jailer that he killed his dad...I'ld have nothing to do with a boy who said he killed mys husband, maybe you would, but I wouldn't!

[VictimHelp]

Receiving a travel stipend is not the same as receiving payment for a few min. interview.:rolleyes:

As far as you waiting for a link of abuse; I never said I'd provide one.

Based on what I've read....IMO, the boy was mentally abused by Tiffany. No link to my opinion, sorry.

Based on what I've read the boy killed his dad after talking to Eryn on the phone. IMO the boy was mentally abused by ERYN and she planted the seed for him to kill his dad, I think. No link to my opinion, sorry.

[garcia]

How is it awful, people want to trash a child on this board give me a break. Come on now, I do not like the woman because she turned her back on a child that she claimed to love as her own point blank. Yes I am a mother of 4 boys, and I would never turn my back on them or my step children so as far as I am concerned she is low

It's awful to trash the mom and stepmom and in my opinion you went way over the line. I don't think he killed his dad, but if he did, I could see why the stepmom would want nothing to do with him. I wouldn't want anything to do with a murderer.

I believe Eryn and Tiffany to be GOOD people trashed by people who are ignorant or just mean spirited. But that's just my opinion!

[VictimHelp]

You're right! I wouldn't want anything to do with a double murderer and age don't mean squat....no wonder the stepmom ran...if you do the crime...then CR should be held accountable for that crime.

[dgfred]

Based on what I've read the boy killed his dad after talking to Eryn on the phone. IMO the boy was mentally abused by ERYN and she planted the seed for him to kill his dad, I think. No link to my opinion, sorry.

Mentally abused by Eryn :confused: . Wasn't Tiffany the one who said 'What happens in this house stays in this house'?
Wasn't Tiffany the one that said 'the bi*** is on the phone when Eryn called?
Wasn't Tiffany the one who wasn't at work, but out 'shopping' instead of being there for CR when he got out of school that day? Of course she needed doughnuts (for the NEXT day :rolleyes: ) Why not go home... I wonder indeed???
Why would the stepmom be the one doing the spanking anyway... why not the biological father? Of course that would cause problems.
I wonder if the belt on the stairs had any significance to what happened that day? Was she in contact with CR anytime during the day to threaten or work him into a frenzy before VR came home?
Did Tiffany have a new beau (or two) about 2 weeks after the murders?
Was she almost immediately out partying to get over the 'drama' of what was happening in StJohns?
In my opinion what Eryn has tried to do is quite honorable, what Tiffany did and has done since is not.

[garcia]

I'ld add DGFred to VH, MofBoys...there is no evidence the mom or stepmom caused this....

[VictimHelp]

I'ld add DGFred to VH, MofBoys...there is no evidence the mom or stepmom caused this....

How is Eryn honorable? living with a felon in voiolation of probation, not getting schooling for CR, abandoning her child for many years, about to lose the other child, being transient, doing paid interviews, you call that HONORABLE???? LOL

Besides we're off subject, this is about a double murdering boy that is loose in St. Johns who could kill again, who is not getting treatment, who belongs in a psychiatric unit 24/7.

[Details]

The only abuse in this case is CR's abuse of his dad by KILLING him...Link? Because he never plead guilty to doing anything to his father - nor to murdering Tim - only to negligent homicide.

[VictimHelp]

Link? Because he never plead guilty to doing anything to his father - nor to murdering Tim - only to negligent homicide.

Yeah, he didn't plead innocent.

He confessed and in that interview I've watched a 100 times he admitted it and I believed him, not to mention all the evidence, GSR consistent with him being the shooter, his gun, his multiple death threats, his fingerprints, his lame 2 1/2 hour alibi about walking around the block, the timeline, his voice being heard at the scene, him being at the scene...and on and on...

[dgfred]

I'ld add DGFred to VH, MofBoys...there is no evidence the mom or stepmom caused this....

Add who or whatever you want. Actually there is no evidence that anyone did this... barely any evidence at all since the investigation basically stopped after the interrogation of CR. Surely you don't think an 8 year decided to kill his dad for little or no reason at all. Something had to have happened to cause this in one way or another. A little bit more evidence released and it might clear up quite a few things, too bad the wheels stopped turning so quickly. Sure, he killed his dad... let's let him go live with his mom, that makes good sense.

[sdn8tv]

Oh then you admit she was PAID.......and I think she got at least 30-40K to travel to NY.

One can only guess you haven't traveled to NY if you think it costs 30-40K to travel to NY for TWO DAYS.
Don't spin my words...She did not get paid.

[dgfred]

Yeah, he didn't plead innocent.

He confessed and in that interview I've watched a 100 times he admitted it and I believed him, not to mention all the evidence, GSR consistent with him being the shooter, his gun, his multiple death threats, his fingerprints, his lame 2 1/2 hour alibi about walking around the block, the timeline, his voice being heard at the scene, him being at the scene...and on and on...

He didn't plead to murder either. He did not confess until led with the answers they wanted. GSR is NOT consistent with someone firing a gun at least 10 times. Few fingerprints at all, I guess he wiped the gun down eh. All the rest is basically circumstancial, heck... he lived there and on and on...

[VictimHelp]

Whatever...........I wouldnt go to New York to do an interview...but that's just me...I think almost everyone knows the boy is guilty.

[sdn8tv]

And I'm waiting on the link of abuse...........

one of the other posters admitted she was paid to go to NY and typically they pay 30-40k for personal appearances of this magnatude....besides why didn't she do the interview in St. Johns, if money wasnt involved???


Excuse me...I didn't admit she got paid to go to NY. I said she had her travel expenses covered...don't spin my words.

[sdn8tv]

Yeah, he didn't plead innocent.

He confessed and in that interview I've watched a 100 times he admitted it and I believed him, not to mention all the evidence, GSR consistent with him being the shooter, his gun, his multiple death threats, his fingerprints, his lame 2 1/2 hour alibi about walking around the block, the timeline, his voice being heard at the scene, him being at the scene...and on and on...


Nothing to plead innocent to...the charges were DISMISSED.

[sdn8tv]

He didn't plead to murder either. He did not confess until led with the answers they wanted. GSR is NOT consistent with someone firing a gun at least 10 times. Few fingerprints at all, I guess he wiped the gun down eh. All the rest is basically circumstancial, heck... he lived there and on and on...

One would think someone is a little obsessed if they watch it 100+ times. I watch it one time and it broke my heart. I cannot watch it.
Also after watching something 100+ times you pretty much can make it be whaterver you want it to be.

[sdn8tv]

Is that why there wasn't a single mark on him? Not one bruise, not one scratch? :rolleyes:

Abuse is not ONLY physical....:rolleyes: