May 9 & May 10

[Lovethechild]

New thread for the week-end. Prayers for Haleigh. Happy Mother's day to all the moms.:smile:

[grammie/va]

So many sad sad thoughts this weekend, when all Mother's should be celebrating. What has become of this world that our Kids are not safe in any enviroment. We can't trust anyone when it comes to our kids or grandkids.

Happy Mother's Day to all mom's, give your kids regardless of thier ages a hug and thank them for giving us this honor of being called MOTHER!

Hopes and prayers for Haleigh!!!:rose:

[Mimi428]

Bringing this over from last night's thread. Apple had asked a question earlier in the evening, but then could not find it again - I think this might be the question. (at the end of post 586)

apple
Registered User

...Oh, I almost forgot, I did catch the end of JVM and I am not sure if I heard correctly or not so I hope someone will help me out. Crystal or someone on her side of the family will be doing something the next two weekends - I did not catch what it was - Can someone please let me know?

Here is the link to the transcript for JVM's show last night. The Haleigh comments are at the bottom.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/08/ijvm.01.html

Here is the excerpt about Crystal's side of the family working to keep Haleigh's name & picture active...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So the trailer is abandoned, nobody is there. The tent is broken down. It`s probably a rather sad scene now. In other words there was strength, Tim, with the tents and vigils and now that`s sort given away.

Your client, Crystal does have the Haleigh Bug Center that she`s still operating, correct?

PICAZIO: That`s correct. We have a Haleigh Bug Center there. We painted it purple. We continue to distribute fliers at every local festival, community event. We`re planning things this weekend in Jacksonville. Next weekend in (INAUDIBLE). We continue to search for this child.

I don`t know what Ron Cummings is doing this weekend, but he`s welcome to join us.

[?noanswer]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Has a video of his interview with Capt. Dick Schauland .
It is not a live video. It is on telephone and other pictures are in the video.

What I find interesting that in the written article below the video he reports "Greenwood didn't have much to add other than the fact that Misty has now been questioned at least ten times by investogators and her timeline still remains inconsistent."

In the recording of Capt Schauland, Capt Schauland says that it is kind of misleading to say peope have been questioned X # of times. He said a lot of the questioning pertains to when they hear something from another source, they bring people in to question them about that. It dooesn't sound like Misty is the only one that has been interviewed numerous times.

The greatest mother's day gift we all could receive is to have Haleigh returned to her family. JMO

[seeker]

Good Morning,

Happy Mother's Day weekend to everyone, with a special wish for Crystal Sheffield!

In reading yesterday's article (link below) the statements from Pacazio and Snider stand in stark contrast to one another.

I'm shocked at the callousness of Snider, one of Ron's attorneys. "The threshold is not only the best interest of the child." What?!?! He sounds like a man who does not have the child's well-being at heart, but one is floundering around for some legal way to "WIN," should this go to Family Court. What a ridiculous statement to make when his client had his child disappear from his own home and is being looked at in her disappearance. It's hard to know what to say about the "substantial change in circumstances" remark.

Incredible. These are my thoughts and opinions.

Link to article and attorney statements are below.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/08/news/news02.txt

KIM PACAZIO:

"It's not about Crystal, it's about the state of Florida looking into if Ronald is a fit parent and whether or not Junior is in a safe home," Picazio said. "And yes, they are still evaluating that."

SNIDER and KIMBALL:

"Cummings's attorneys said that if the case did go to court, DCF information would be considered as evidence, but both sides would have to provide witnesses.

"The threshold is not only the best interest of the child, but when you bring that petition you have to allege that there has been a substantial change in circumstances," Snider said."

these are my thoughts about this

[seeker]

Morning Everyone,

Thanks for the information. Good to see you all here.

[seeker]

Bringing this over from last night's thread. Apple had asked a question earlier in the evening, but then could not find it again - I think this might be the question. (at the end of post 586)



Here is the link to the transcript for JVM's show last night. The Haleigh comments are at the bottom.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/08/ijvm.01.html

Here is the excerpt about Crystal's side of the family working to keep Haleigh's name & picture active...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So the trailer is abandoned, nobody is there. The tent is broken down. It`s probably a rather sad scene now. In other words there was strength, Tim, with the tents and vigils and now that`s sort given away.

Your client, Crystal does have the Haleigh Bug Center that she`s still operating, correct?

PICAZIO: That`s correct. We have a Haleigh Bug Center there. We painted it purple. We continue to distribute fliers at every local festival, community event. We`re planning things this weekend in Jacksonville. Next weekend in (INAUDIBLE). We continue to search for this child.

I don`t know what Ron Cummings is doing this weekend, but he`s welcome to join us.


Thanks for sharing this, Mimi.

Will he help, I wonder?

[bookie]

I see the discussion last night turned to Misti and Ron saying they were told they passed the polygraphs. Let's not forget Greg said the same thing. He told Art he was told he passed his so it sounds like whoever gave the tests said something to them indicating they passed.

[dustyk]

I see the discussion last night turned to Misti and Ron saying they were told they passed the polygraphs. Let's not forget Greg said the same thing. He told Art he was told he passed his so it sounds like whoever gave the tests said something to them indicating they passed.
I was watching an interview of Drew Peterson last night and the interviewer had is results in her hand and he was shown to be deceitful on some questions and truthful on some... same questions worded differently. Makes you wonder how accurate these tests are. IMO

[iluvmua]

Why haven't they arrested Misty yet? I believe she knows exactly what happened to Haleigh.

[bookie]

I was watching an interview of Drew Peterson last night and the interviewer had is results in her hand and he was shown to be deceitful on some questions and truthful on some... same questions worded differently. Makes you wonder how accurate these tests are. IMO



Well they aren't admissible in court for a reason. Innocent people have failed polys and guilty people have passed them.

[bookie]

Everyone have a great Saturday, I am off to celebrate my 6 year old grandson's birth. BBL tonight.
May today bring Haleigh one day closer to coming home.


Happy Birthday to your grandson bam bam.

[dustyk]

Well they aren't admissible in court for a reason. Innocent people have failed polys and guilty people have passed them.
Then why strap yourself up to the darn thing...I see now why some people refuse them. Don't know now if I would agree to one. IMO

[?noanswer]

I was watching an interview of Drew Peterson last night and the interviewer had is results in her hand and he was shown to be deceitful on some questions and truthful on some... same questions worded differently. Makes you wonder how accurate these tests are. IMO

The fact that a LDT cannot be used as evidence tells me that they are not that reliable/accurate. I think some people are smart enough to pass and the results are also subject to the reading of the lines. I'm sure I could be telling the truth and it would register as a lie because I would be so nervous the lines would probably run off the paper.

ot/ I would have thought ole Drew could have passed with flying colors. Maybe he is not as smart as he thinks he is!!!

JMO

[bookie]

Then why strap yourself up to the darn thing...I see now why some people refuse them. Don't know now if I would agree to one. IMO


Bill Wegerle, whose wife was murdered by the BTK Dennis Radar, failed 2 polys. For years that poor man was suspected of being a murderer when he wasn't. That's why I would never take one. IMo they are a joke.

[?noanswer]

Good Morning,

Happy Mother's Day weekend to everyone, with a special wish for Crystal Sheffield!

In reading yesterday's article (link below) the statements from Pacazio and Snider stand in stark contrast to one another.

I'm shocked at the callousness of Snider, one of Ron's attorneys. "The threshold is not only the best interest of the child." What?!?! He sounds like a man who does not have the child's well-being at heart, but one is floundering around for some legal way to "WIN," should this go to Family Court. What a ridiculous statement to make when his client had his child disappear from his own home and is being looked at in her disappearance. It's hard to know what to say about the "substantial change in circumstances" remark.

Incredible. These are my thoughts and opinions.

Link to article and attorney statements are below.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/08/news/news02.txt

KIM PACAZIO:

"It's not about Crystal, it's about the state of Florida looking into if Ronald is a fit parent and whether or not Junior is in a safe home," Picazio said. "And yes, they are still evaluating that."

SNIDER and KIMBALL:

"Cummings's attorneys said that if the case did go to court, DCF information would be considered as evidence, but both sides would have to provide witnesses.

"The threshold is not only the best interest of the child, but when you bring that petition you have to allege that there has been a substantial change in circumstances," Snider said."

these are my thoughts about this

I see nothing wrong with either statement. It is attorneys spinning what is best for their client. JMO

[seeker]

Then why strap yourself up to the darn thing...I see now why some people refuse them. Don't know now if I would agree to one. IMO

Your wording cracks me up! Seriously, I wonder what kind of a catch-22 scenario happens when a person is asked to volunteer a lie detector test?

[Mimi428]

Good Morning,

Happy Mother's Day weekend to everyone, with a special wish for Crystal Sheffield!

In reading yesterday's article (link below) the statements from Pacazio and Snider stand in stark contrast to one another.

I'm shocked at the callousness of Snider, one of Ron's attorneys. "The threshold is not only the best interest of the child." What?!?! He sounds like a man who does not have the child's well-being at heart, but one is floundering around for some legal way to "WIN," should this go to Family Court. What a ridiculous statement to make when his client had his child disappear from his own home and is being looked at in her disappearance. It's hard to know what to say about the "substantial change in circumstances" remark.

Incredible. These are my thoughts and opinions.

Link to article and attorney statements are below.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/08/news/news02.txt

KIM PACAZIO:

"It's not about Crystal, it's about the state of Florida looking into if Ronald is a fit parent and whether or not Junior is in a safe home," Picazio said. "And yes, they are still evaluating that."

SNIDER and KIMBALL:

"Cummings's attorneys said that if the case did go to court, DCF information would be considered as evidence, but both sides would have to provide witnesses.

"The threshold is not only the best interest of the child, but when you bring that petition you have to allege that there has been a substantial change in circumstances," Snider said."

these are my thoughts about this


Snider made another remark that stood out to me - this part...

Attorneys for Ronald Cummings, Greg Kimball and T. Jerry Snider, deny abuse occurred and say the child has a stable family environment at the grandmother's home.

"Right now, Ronald and Misty are living with Ronald's grandmother, who is providing a stable home, and the DCF is fine with that," Snider said.

So....

Is the home stable because it is Annette's? If so, there is no guarantee that Ron & Misty will continue to stay with her. The 'stable' home at Annette's could turn into a whole different sort of home the day Ron & Misty & Junior move away.

Would DCF come to the conclusion that the home Haleigh & Junior were living in at the time Haleigh disappeared was 'stable'? (rhetorical question)

I think no matter what you think of any of the Cummings family, it is without question that Junior has had a substantial change in circumstances - for good & for terrible.

The terrible change is that he no longer has his sister.

The good is that he is living in his GGM's house now, where I seriously doubt that Junior would again be left in the sole care of a 17-year-old right after she has come off of a 3-day sex-'n-drugs binge. I have to have some hope that Annette would be extra vigilant regarding the parenting behavior of Ron & Misty while they reside in her home.

Personally, I think Ron tied a millstone around his neck by marrying Misty when it comes to the subject of Junior being taken care of by her. If we put every other thing aside, I can't see DCF ignoring the suitability of Misty as a caretaker on the night Haleigh disappeared. In at least one of her statements, she indicated that Junior was awake when she went to sleep (she may have changed that later).

JMO

[?noanswer]

Snider made another remark that stood out to me - this part...

Attorneys for Ronald Cummings, Greg Kimball and T. Jerry Snider, deny abuse occurred and say the child has a stable family environment at the grandmother's home.

"Right now, Ronald and Misty are living with Ronald's grandmother, who is providing a stable home, and the DCF is fine with that," Snider said.

So....

Is the home stable because it is Annette's? If so, there is no guarantee that Ron & Misty will continue to stay with her. The 'stable' home at Annette's could turn into a whole different sort of home the day Ron & Misty & Junior move away.

Would DCF come to the conclusion that the home Haleigh & Junior were living in at the time Haleigh disappeared was 'stable'? (rhetorical question)

I think no matter what you think of any of the Cummings family, it is without question that Junior has had a substantial change in circumstances - for good & for terrible.

The terrible change is that he no longer has his sister.

The good is that he is living in his GGM's house now, where I seriously doubt that Junior would again be left in the sole care of a 17-year-old right after she has come off of a 3-day sex-'n-drugs binge. I have to have some hope that Annette would be extra vigilant regarding the parenting behavior of Ron & Misty while they reside in her home.

Personally, I think Ron tied a millstone around his neck by marrying Misty when it comes to the subject of Junior being taken care of by her. If we put every other thing aside, I can't see DCF ignoring the suitability of Misty as a caretaker on the night Haleigh disappeared. In at least one of her statements, she indicated that Junior was awake when she went to sleep (she may have changed that later).

JMO

If Misty indeed left Jr up and went into a deep sleep, Jr could have opened the front door for someone. If that happened, maybe they left thru the backdoor, propped it open because they were going to return for Jr. In the meantime, Misty was awakened because of a noise from the abductor and found Haleigh missing. JMO

[seeker]

I see nothing wrong with either statement. It is attorneys spinning what is best for their client. JMO

I appreciate your input and response, ?noanswer.

The way I read this, "spinning" is not what Kim Pacazio sounds like she is doing here. She is straight-forward and speaks for Little Ron and his safety. Short and sweet, not speculating beyond the investigation at hand, not giving out lessons in the law and how it "works."

I realize that Ron's attorney, Snider, can say whatever he wants, but his client is Ron and he is saying, or "spinning," what sounds best for Ron.

My point, or one of them, is that this investigation and possible custody hearing in court is about the safety and well-being of Little Ron (and Haleigh, should she be alive and in need of a safe home, also).

These are my thoughts and opinions

[Mimi428]

Look at the lady who called one of the shows yesterday and stated, I have called the police Dept, sheriff Depart the FBI etc. These nuts are everywhere. MOO

<snipped>

I don't know which show you are referring to or what that person said to all the various agencies she spoke to, but I agree that the nutcases are everywhere.

They have dreams. They have hunches. They are possessed with an egocentricity that convinces them that the case is precisely & exactly the same as ONE situation they are personally familiar with - & they project all the elements of that ONE situation onto the case.

If they believe one way or would do some specific thing, then these strangers must have believed the same way or done the exact same thing. If they are parents & would sacrifice everything for their children, they are certain those motives exist in person A, B or C, even if nothing has been revealed that indicates those people have the same thoughts, morals, life choices.

I pity the LE personnel who have to sort through that.

JMO

[?noanswer]

<snipped>

I don't know which show you are referring to or what that person said to all the various agencies she spoke to, but I agree that the nutcases are everywhere.

They have dreams. They have hunches. They are possessed with an egocentricity that convinces them that the case is precisely & exactly the same as ONE situation they are personally familiar with - & they project all the elements of that ONE situation onto the case.

If they believe one way or would do some specific thing, then these strangers must have believed the same way or done the exact same thing. If they are parents & would sacrifice everything for their children, they are certain those motives exist in person A, B or C, even if nothing has been revealed that indicates those people have the same thoughts, morals, life choices.

I pity the LE personnel who have to sort through that.

JMO


It was JVM. I agree, LE has their hands full. Wouldn't wanna be in their shoes. JMO

[Mimi428]

If Misty indeed left Jr up and went into a deep sleep, Jr could have opened the front door for someone. If that happened, maybe they left thru the backdoor, propped it open because they were going to return for Jr. In the meantime, Misty was awakened because of a noise from the abductor and found Haleigh missing. JMO

Could be.

So where does that leave Ron, when it comes to the custody & the caretaking of Junior? By marrying Misty, he has pretty much painted himself into a corner.

As it stands now, he cannot go to a custody hearing & say, "I had no idea she was so zoned out from taking drugs that she conked out before Junior was asleep. And once I found out that is the way she is, I made sure she would not ever be part of Junior's life & would never again take care of him."

See the problem?

[?noanswer]

Could be.

So where does that leave Ron, when it comes to the custody & the caretaking of Junior? By marrying Misty, he has pretty much painted himself into a corner.

As it stands now, he cannot go to a custody hearing & say, "I had no idea she was so zoned out from taking drugs that she conked out before Junior was asleep. And once I found out that is the way she is, I made sure she would not ever be part of Junior's life & would never again take care of him."

See the problem?

I see lots of problems. Seems like the whole town has big problems. I should not indict the whole town, just the people surrounding this case. I thought the Anthony's were bad. At least that seems to be confined to the immediate family. This case has all kinds of peripheral players and not very many present themselves in a good light. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

If Misty indeed left Jr up and went into a deep sleep, Jr could have opened the front door for someone. If that happened, maybe they left thru the backdoor, propped it open because they were going to return for Jr. In the meantime, Misty was awakened because of a noise from the abductor and found Haleigh missing. JMO

If Jr. was already up opening the front door for someone, why would the back door have to be propped to go back in and get Jr.?

Wouldn't it have been easier just to tell Jr. to go on outside and wait until the "someone" exited the front door with Haleigh?

If the front door was already opened, why the elaborate propping of the back door?

That doesn't make any sense to me, especially since it was darker at the front of the house rather than on the side where the door was supposedly propped.

In my opinion.

[?noanswer]

If Jr. was already up opening the front door for someone, why would the back door have to be propped to go back in and get Jr.?

Wouldn't it have been easier just to tell Jr. to go on outside and wait until the "someone" exited the front door with Haleigh?

If the front door was already opened, why the elaborate propping of the back door?

That doesn't make any sense to me, especially since it was darker at the front of the house rather than on the side where the door was supposedly propped.

In my opinion.

None of this case makes any sense to me. When someone said Jr could have been up wandering around in the house, this thought came to my mind. Actually no one knows what a child will do. Look at the 3 yo that went out the door, thinking he was going to his grandma's house who lived 5 miles away. They found him 3 miles from home. Don't know if he was going in the right direction, but 2 more miles and he would have been to Grandmas!!! JMO

[seeker]

Snider made another remark that stood out to me - this part...

Attorneys for Ronald Cummings, Greg Kimball and T. Jerry Snider, deny abuse occurred and say the child has a stable family environment at the grandmother's home.

"Right now, Ronald and Misty are living with Ronald's grandmother, who is providing a stable home, and the DCF is fine with that," Snider said.

So....

Is the home stable because it is Annette's? If so, there is no guarantee that Ron & Misty will continue to stay with her. The 'stable' home at Annette's could turn into a whole different sort of home the day Ron & Misty & Junior move away.

Would DCF come to the conclusion that the home Haleigh & Junior were living in at the time Haleigh disappeared was 'stable'? (rhetorical question)

I think no matter what you think of any of the Cummings family, it is without question that Junior has had a substantial change in circumstances - for good & for terrible.

The terrible change is that he no longer has his sister.

The good is that he is living in his GGM's house now, where I seriously doubt that Junior would again be left in the sole care of a 17-year-old right after she has come off of a 3-day sex-'n-drugs binge. I have to have some hope that Annette would be extra vigilant regarding the parenting behavior of Ron & Misty while they reside in her home.

Personally, I think Ron tied a millstone around his neck by marrying Misty when it comes to the subject of Junior being taken care of by her. If we put every other thing aside, I can't see DCF ignoring the suitability of Misty as a caretaker on the night Haleigh disappeared. In at least one of her statements, she indicated that Junior was awake when she went to sleep (she may have changed that later).

JMO

<underlining mine>

Thanks, Mimi. Your insight is always appreciated by many of us, including myself. I can't now remember where the remark was made that Child Protective investigators were looking into the circumstances in the home from which Haleigh disappeared, and I found that strange. (Strange, in the context of the article. I'll look for it if requested by anyone).

Wouldn't it make more sense to state that the investigation is taking into account everything, especially the present, yet also looking back many years?

I wish I felt the same confidence that you seem to feel regarding the safety of Little Ron at his GGM's home. How much control does she have over her grandson, Ron and his new wife, Misty? Annette could fall asleep or go on errands, and off they go with Junior for whatever outing they may embark upon. Her steady defense of Ron throughout gives me pause; had she once expressed any emotion besides anger and "rage" at what is now happening to her grandson, then I would have more respect for her. Making a statement to the effect that Ron hold's SOME responsibility, not that he is only a victim would give her more credibility, in my eyes. Should she or Teresa have shown that this family has some depth, and awareness of the bigger picture; acknowledge the seriousness of all that took place and all that has followed: Especially the marriage of Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin amidst the questions and the sorrow of Haleigh's disappearance.

Annette Sykes' statements regarding physical punishment and it's "old school" rightness bothers me a whole lot. People under severe stress, as all of the family must be, can be prone to do things they shouldn't.

These are my thoughts and opinions.

[Mimi428]

snipped for space, my bold and color

Things?

Not overly specific, but I guess if Ron finds them somewhere in Jacksonville, he could help do things.

Maybe he call or could look for them ahead of time at the Haleighbug center & ask them for some flyers.

Maybe he could ask his attorneys to contact KP & find out where they are going to be.

Maybe he could have his own flyers printed up & check out the Events calendar for the area & then go with his own family to one of the big ones, like the Ancient City Crawfish Boil in St Augustine this weekend.

Maybe he could put his money where his mouth is. He swore an oath & testified that he is the superior parent. Maybe he could demonstrate just how superior he is, by doing something similar to the first 3 things I just listed.

Or maybe Cobra was completely accurate when he made these statements about Ron when he spoke about him the other day during an interview...

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

S: Is Ron out searching for his daughter?

C: Hell NO

S: Has Ron ever helped you in your search for Haleigh?

C: NO

S: Has Ron ever thanked you for searching for Haleigh?

C: NO

[?noanswer]

The funny thing about what I highlighted in your comment is that the only person trying to present themselves in the best of light is Ron & Misty, and while they are failing miserably at that it makes you wonder what they are really hiding.

Themselves for one thing. I guess it is on advise of the attorney, but I don't know. JMO

[?noanswer]

Maybe he call or could look for them ahead of time at the Haleighbug center & ask them for some flyers.

Maybe he could ask his attorneys to contact KP & find out where they are going to be.

Maybe he could have his own flyers printed up & check out the Events calendar for the area & then go with his own family to one of the big ones, like the Ancient City Crawfish Boil in St Augustine this weekend.

Maybe he could put his money where his mouth is. He swore an oath & testified that he is the superior parent. Maybe he could demonstrate just how superior he is, by doing something similar to the first 3 things I just listed.

Or maybe Cobra was completely accurate when he made these statements about Ron when he spoke about him the other day during an interview...

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

S: Is Ron out searching for his daughter?

C: Hell NO

S: Has Ron ever helped you in your search for Haleigh?

C: NO

S: Has Ron ever thanked you for searching for Haleigh?

C: NO

I wonder if Cobra has done much physical searching or just searching for people who might have some information. JMO

[Mimi428]

<underlining mine>

Thanks, Mimi. Your insight is always appreciated by many of us, including myself. I can't now remember where the remark was made that Child Protective investigators were looking into the circumstances in the home from which Haleigh disappeared, and I found that strange. (Strange, in the context of the article. I'll look for it if requested by anyone).

Wouldn't it make more sense to state that the investigation is taking into account everything, especially the present, yet also looking back many years?

I wish I felt the same confidence that you seem to feel regarding the safety of Little Ron at his GGM's home. How much control does she have over her grandson, Ron and his new wife, Misty? Annette could fall asleep or go on errands, and off they go with Junior for whatever outing they may embark upon. Her steady defense of Ron throughout gives me pause; had she once expressed any emotion besides anger and "rage" at what is now happening to her grandson, then I would have more respect for her. Making a statement to the effect that Ron hold's SOME responsibility, not that he is only a victim would give her more credibility, in my eyes. Should she or Teresa have shown that this family has some depth, and awareness of the bigger picture; acknowledge the seriousness of all that took place and all that has followed: Especially the marriage of Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin amidst the questions and the sorrow of Haleigh's disappearance.

Annette Sykes' statements regarding physical punishment and it's "old school" rightness bothers me a whole lot. People under severe stress, as all of the family must be, can be prone to do things they shouldn't.

These are my thoughts and opinions.



I think you bring up some very good points to consider.

My thin thread of hope regarding how Junior will be treated now that he is in Annette's house is because I have seen a lot of instances in the past where the family makes a mighty effort during the time that they know they are under scrutiny. They may seethe, they may rail & rant, but they refrain from the physical stuff while they know they are being watched.

I was disheartened to hear the way Annette defended Ron's methods of discipline - & the way she rationalized what he did & then justified it all by her "old school" remark. At some point I about half expected to hear her say, "well, I believe in spankin' the bloody hell out of a kid if they don't mind. I made my kids mind, I made my grandkids mind, & they turned out just fine". She didn't come out & say those exact words, of course, but she sure did give me the impression that she believes might makes right.

You noticed how Ron also alluded to might makes right when he was talking about his spanking "agreement" with Haleigh.

A couple of things that really make me wonder & that I think we are unlikely to ever know is how much information is being shared between the investigation into Haleigh's disappearance & the DCF investigation. There are reasons for keeping a high degree of confidentiality when it regards the welfare of children. But when parallel investigations are being conducted, it make me nervous that the investigators working on Haleigh's disappearance may not feel compelled to share what they have learned with DCF.

We have already seen how extremely reluctant LE seems to be about releasing just about anything in Haleigh's case - and if they are that protective of their strategy & work product, it makes me think they might not want that info being prematurely released during a DCF hearing.

JMO

[Mimi428]

...she was a minor and still would be if he didn't marry her sorry ***

<snipped>

I don't think I have the faintest clue what the laws are in Texas regarding babysitters & time limits & the other stuff you mentioned - thanks for bringing that up, it gives me something to think about.

I think Ron has painted himself into a corner.

As long as he is associated with Misty, DCF might be inclined to look harder into his childcare arrangements. He can't say he got rid of the bad babysitter & Junior will never be exposed to her again.

OTOH, if he had not married Misty, he would have risked being charged with statuatory rape under Florida Statute 794.05. I think it is highly unlikely that Misty went to the trouble at the age of 16 to have herself declared an emanicpated minor. Once Ron hit age 24, his legal abilities to have sex with 16 &/or 17 year olds were erased.

This website explains the Florida Statute pretty well, IMO - it is from a board-certified criminal attorney...

http://www.richardhornsby.com/sex-crimes/crimes.html

Unlawful Sexual Activity with a Minor (Statutory rape) makes it illegal for a person 24 or older to have sexual intercourse with a 16 or 17 year old, even if both parties consent to the sexual conduct. Importantly, ignorance of the victim's age is irrelevant as a defense to the charge, even if the victim lied about his or her age or the accused had a bona fide belief the victim was old enough to give consent.

However, it is legal for a person who is between the age of twenty-three and sixteen (23 - 16) to have sex with a person who is sixteen (16) or seventeen (17) years old.

A person convicted of Unlawful Sexual Activity (Statutory Rape) would be facing a maximum sentence of fifteen (15) years in prison and a minimum sentence sentence of approximately seven (7) years in prison. Additionally, they would be declared a sexual offender and would be forced to comply with sexual offender registration laws throughout Florida and the United States.

Under that statute, it would not have mattered if Ron had stood before the judge & swore that he thought Misty was 18 (which would be hard to fathom anyway, since she looks about 14). He still could have gone to jail & then had to register as a sex offender.

Which all leads me (again) to believing that Ron's concern about his daughter's disappearance is of much less importance than his concern that he not be arrested for anything. Why question Misty? Why sit on her until she clarifies her inconsistencies? Nooooo, that stuff isn't half as important as marrying her to avoid being charged with statuatory rape.

JMO

[Mimi428]

when they came out with their recent new hope that she is alive... my first thought was are you kidding me? I'm sorry but unless someone in the family did hide her (which i do not think is the case) then I don't see how this could be true... now imagine if you are Misty and you know for a fact that she is no longer alive... you hear that they for some new reason think she is... what would you do ...think ha ha these suckers have no clue and let your guard down even further...

<snipped>

You & I (& I'm sure others) have been having the same thoughts. I do not think LE's statements (or lack of) are indicative of what their investigators have uncovered. I think the majority, if not every single one, of their statements has been made with a specific strategy & calculation in mind.

I think the same essential thing about Cobra - I think what he chooses to say is also dependent on his strategy.

Neither LE nor Cobra have any obligation to show their hands & reveal what they believe. I think they have a very good idea about which person or persons may be watching extra closely to see what they will say, therefore, they say things designed to increase the chances that the fish they want to catch will bite on the bait.

JMO

[Mimi428]

"We don't know for sure what's happened, but we do know that somewhere down the end of the line there's going to be some type of crime involved," Capt. Dick Schauland, a spokesman for the Putnam County Sheriff's Office, said Friday. http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/09/news/news01.txt

Thanks for posting that link, much appreciated.

I was especially drawn to this remark made by Schauland...

Aside from general statements, authorities have refused to discuss what their investigators have uncovered.

"We also have to maintain a criminal investigation and we have to maintain the integrity of that," Schauland said. "Should we be able to release something that would help us locate Haleigh we would certainly do that even if it would compromise the criminal investigation."

[panache]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/09/news/news01.txt

Reposting this link

Kim P. has hired a full time employee to man the HBC which she is paying out of her own pocket. Now being an insider, it proves to me, with all the information she must have, she is committed to finding Haleigh, or what happened to her.

moo

[teresa]

Jennica, you need to contact CW to get her to delete your post of Art's article. He has been contacting forums that are copying his posts because they are copyrighted.

[panache]

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/05/09/news/news01.txt

Reposting this link

Kim P. has hired a full time employee to man the HBC which she is paying out of her own pocket. Now being an insider, it proves to me, with all the information she must have, she is committed to finding Haleigh, or what happened to her.

moo

Did you know the dictionary and Thesarus are copywrited also? Yet they are linked here frequently. I just found that out, and I'm guilty of posting from Thesarus. I had no idea.

[titanfan217]

If Jr. was already up opening the front door for someone, why would the back door have to be propped to go back in and get Jr.?

Wouldn't it have been easier just to tell Jr. to go on outside and wait until the "someone" exited the front door with Haleigh?

If the front door was already opened, why the elaborate propping of the back door?

That doesn't make any sense to me, especially since it was darker at the front of the house rather than on the side where the door was supposedly propped.

In my opinion.


I don't think JR let anyone in. The only reason I can see using the back was I thought the "back" was more hidden from the neighbors, but I haven't been there.

[panache]

I was searching for some info and I came across this old news story. I suppose in the first blush of Haleigh being missing I overlooked the importance of it at the time. In this article Misty tells LE she went out on the *front porch to smole a cigarette, and claims she never used the rear door*. I find this interesting for two reasons, was Junior awake when she was out on the porch and did Misty bring a friend with her when she went back in. A friend that Junior may have seen. Also, I hope LE pinned her down on what time she ent out on that porch for a smoke.

http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/story.asp?S=9872755&nav=menu98_3

[CC I See]

Sorry wasn't aware of that... and since there have been other minors mentioned in here I could have never assumed.... All I was referring to in that post was how the state of Florida feels it is okay to give custody to a forty something year old when he at some point was obviously having sex with a 17 year old (if not younger). According to Fl law he should be a registered sex offender yet he is awarded custody of the "nameless" child.... I think that is a huge point that needs to be brought to people's attention.... If the laws are strict but are not enforced then how do we know that Ron Cummings was actually scared of prosecution for statutory rape? or how do we know what other types of SO were wandering around? or better yet that the same court that gave this perv custody of NN's baby was probably the same court that reviewed the original custody hearing in Haleigh's case...
Take it for what it's worth I was just trying to make people aware of other family law situations that this county has made rulings on...

It is my opinion that the state of Florida does not care to prosecute cases where there is an underage girl and and an adult man sexual relationship. If they are turning a blind eye to all of the illegal drug activity which has been alleged in this case, why are we surprised that other inappropiate and illegal relationships would be treated any differently?

[panache]

It is my opinion that the state of Florida does not care to prosecute cases where there is an underage girl and and an adult man sexual relationship. If they are turning a blind eye to all of the illegal drug activity which has been alleged in this case, why are we surprised that other inappropiate and illegal relationships would be treated any differently?

Yet they prosecuted and sentenced Jeremy M., a former boyfriend of Misty's.

moo

[panache]

Holy crap I totally missed this too.... wonder how many other stories she already said that I wasn't even aware of!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure if we search back they'll be others, on any given day, without Ron to prompt her with the script, she threw anything out that might stick. Three months later, and LE still doesn't believe her.

moo

[panache]

TJ Hart Reports *On A Different Kind of Mom*

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[panache]

Who is Jeremy H. ? I know she had a different around her age his name was Billy I think... she sent him a lot of customized/photoshopped picture images of her with captions like I miss you and various other sayings that made me say holy crap she was really desperate for this guy... it kind of seemed like they were no longer together but she just wouldn't let him go.... don't quote me on the name but i think I later saw all the pics in a photo bucket account....


anyways who is Jeremy H?

This should help. Its Jeremy Miller, not H.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=lisa+croslin+misty+jeremy+miller&btnG=Search+Archives&hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8

[panache]

Originally Posted by Grande
<Snipped>

Croslin also told the Times-Union that the day Haleigh disappeared, she told authorities a cousin who had been staying in Crescent City for about a month went back to Tennessee. She said the cousin had “messed with” her sexually when she was a child but not been deemed a sexual offender.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...le_from_start=

<Snipped>

"During a Putnam County news brief at 3 p.m. Thursday, police would not confirm if Misty Croslin's cousin is a sexual predator."

http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/stor...5&nav=menu98_3

It seems as though there is some confusion about this cousin and case # 2005 CF 000235 A STATE OF FLORIDA VS. MILLER, JEREMY D. which is tied to case 2005 DR 000387 CROSLIN, LISA VS. MILLER, JEREMY out of Flagler County, FL. I'm not sure Jeremy is related, however, he IS NOT the cousin or person that visited the night Haleigh disappeared. In fact he is in Florida Department of corrections. Here is the text of the google archive and the link to the incident report in the Dayton Beach News >

Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL)
$2.95 - Daytona Beach News-Journal - NewsBank - Mar 30, 2005
Craig Waltman, repeat violence; Lisa Croslin on behalf of Misty Croslin vs. Jeremy Miller, by and through parent/guardian, repeat violence

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...iller&ie=UTF-8

From the Flagler County Clerk's Office Records;

2005 CF 000235 A STATE OF FLORIDA VS. MILLER, JEREMY D.
File Date 03/22/2005
Case Status CLOSED (CRIM/CIVIL)
Case Status Date 02/13/2006
Description
1 800.04(4A) ATTEMPTED LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY

02/07/2006 JUDGMENT AND FINGERPRINTS
02/07/2006 -DEF/ATTY ADJ/G 98 MTHS D/C SENTENCED AS SEXUAL OFFENDER
02/07/2006 COURT ACTION FORM
02/07/2006 PRISON FOR 8 YRS 2 MOS - CNT 1
02/07/2006 GUILTY 1

From the Florida Department of Corrections;

DC Number: V24034
Name: MILLER, JEREMY D
Race: WHITE
Sex: MALE
Hair Color: BROWN
Eye Color: HAZEL
Height: 5'06''
Weight: 147 lbs.
Birth Date: 09/17/1988
Initial Receipt Date: 02/24/2006
Current Facility: BREVARD C.I.
Current Custody: MEDIUM
Current Release Date: 04/04/2014


JEREMY DWAYNE MILLER

Offense Date Offense Sentence Date County Case No. Prison Sentence Length
03/20/2005 L/L BATT.SEX W/V12-15 02/07/2006 FLAGLER 0500235 8Y 2M 0D

Date In-Custody Date Out-of-Custody

[?noanswer]

I was unable to read it because it cost $ to see archived articles... how old was he since from what i can gather this happened in 2005 when she was only 13???

Wonder if Misty ever had any kind of counseling? How old was she when she was thrown out of her parent's house? Did she run away with this guy? It looks like her mother filed the charges. Maybe if Misty has any problems, this could be some of the reasons. His dob is 1988, so he was 17/18 yrs. old. JMO

[panache]

I was unable to read it because it cost $ to see archived articles... how old was he since from what i can gather this happened in 2005 when she was only 13???

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/courtrecords.htm

Go to this link and type in his name Jeremy Miller with a %

You can track the court records that way.

If you also use this link for Lisa Croslin, you can also follow the injuction she imposed on JM.

JM and Misty were having a fling. Lisa pressed charges. That makes two that Misty has accused of *messing* with her. Cousin Joe being the second.

JM, for a teenage romance that I believe was consensual is incarcerated till 2012.

moo

[Lovethechild]

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/courtrecords.htm

Go to this link and type in his name Jeremy Miller with a %

You can track the court records that way.

If you also use this link for Lisa Croslin, you can also follow the injuction she imposed on JM.

JM and Misty were having a fling. Lisa pressed charges. That makes two that Misty has accused of *messing* with her. Cousin Joe being the second.

JM, for a teenage romance that I believe was consensual is incarcerated till 2012.

moo


I'll admit.. a 13 year old and a 17 year old is icky, at best. Yet, RC remains un-touched. Wonder why?:sneaky:

[CANDYKISSES]

Why haven't they arrested Misty yet? I believe she knows exactly what happened to Haleigh.

Are you thinking they should arrest her simply because ILUVMUA BELIEVES SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH?

Good heavens, you do realize they need to have a bit more than that, right?:unsure: JMO

[?noanswer]

Are you thinking they should arrest her simply because ILUVMUA BELIEVES SHE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH?

Good heavens, you do realize they need to have a bit more than that, right?:unsure: JMO


ILUVMUA???? If it is what I deciphered, I know why you used the abbrevation. jmo

[panache]

I'll admit.. a 13 year old and a 17 year old is icky, at best. Yet, RC remains un-touched. Wonder why?:sneaky:

My theory is Ron married Misty because he feared what had happened to Jeremy could happen to him. Perhaps Lisa was threatening to file charges against Ron after all the bad press the Croslins were getting. Marry Misty or a 12 yr. jail sentence.

moo

[?noanswer]

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/courtrecords.htm

Go to this link and type in his name Jeremy Miller with a %

You can track the court records that way.

If you also use this link for Lisa Croslin, you can also follow the injuction she imposed on JM.

JM and Misty were having a fling. Lisa pressed charges. That makes two that Misty has accused of *messing* with her. Cousin Joe being the second.

JM, for a teenage romance that I believe was consensual is incarcerated till 2012.

moo


Bolding mine. Wonder why the burden is always placed on the male part of a relationship? If it is indeed consensual, then the burden should be shared. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I'll admit.. a 13 year old and a 17 year old is icky, at best. Yet, RC remains un-touched. Wonder why?:sneaky:

Well, have you seen a formal complaint from Hank or the Mrs. claiming Ron took Misty and had intimate relations with her?

Clearly the parents were negligent and that's where it all starts IMO. You have to begin the same way Kim did for Crystal, with DCF and a complaint from somewhere so that all parties are held accountable when it comes to children under 18 IMOO.

We see this sporadically in the area I reside and it usually winds up the same way Misty's situation did. People don't like to see parents held accountable for sixteen and seventeen year old kids who have been enabled (by those same parents)and NO LONGER RESPECT AUTHORITY IN THE HOME here, so it goes right under the carpet. JMO.

Not only did Misty's parents not file anything against RON, they actually signed for her to MARRY HIM, and in my opinion that happened so everyone could live ..........ever after without repercussions from poor choices IMOO. :sneaky:

It was a win-win for Ron and the Croslins, Misty ~ not so much IMOO.

BRING HALEIGH HOME!:wub:

[panache]

Well, have you seen a formal complaint from Hank or the Mrs. claiming Ron took Misty and had intimate relations with her?

Clearly the parents were negligent and that's where it all starts IMO. You have to begin the same way Kim did for Crystal, with DCF and a complaint from somewhere so that all parties are held accountable when it comes to children under 18 IMOO.

We see this sporadically in the area I reside and it usually winds up the same way Misty's situation did. People don't like to see parents held accountable for sixteen and seventeen year old kids who have been enabled (by those same parents)and NO LONGER RESPECT AUTHORITY IN THE HOME here, so it goes right under the carpet. JMO.

Not only did Misty's parents not file anything against RON, they actually signed for her to MARRY HIM, and in my opinion that happened so everyone could live ..........ever after without repercussions from poor choices IMOO. :sneaky:

It was a win-win for Ron and the Croslins, Misty ~ not so much IMOO.

BRING HALEIGH HOME!:wub:

Mark this on your calendar, I'm marking mine. We agree on something.

How about that? :cool:

[panache]

Bolding mine. Wonder why the burden is always placed on the male part of a relationship? If it is indeed consensual, then the burden should be shared. jmo

I agree, ever since I heard of this JM I was disturbed about his sentence being too harsh. IIRC, Misty never had to testify, it was all Lisa's words. Don't hold me to it yet, I have to go back in my files to when I first started searching this case.

moo

[Lovethechild]

Well, have you seen a formal complaint from Hank or the Mrs. claiming Ron took Misty and had intimate relations with her?

Clearly the parents were negligent and that's where it all starts IMO. You have to begin the same way Kim did for Crystal, with DCF and a complaint from somewhere so that all parties are held accountable when it comes to children under 18 IMOO.

We see this sporadically in the area I reside and it usually winds up the same way Misty's situation did. People don't like to see parents held accountable for sixteen and seventeen year old kids who have been enabled (by those same parents)and NO LONGER RESPECT AUTHORITY IN THE HOME here, so it goes right under the carpet. JMO.

Not only did Misty's parents not file anything against RON, they actually signed for her to MARRY HIM, and in my opinion that happened so everyone could live ..........ever after without repercussions from poor choices IMOO. :sneaky:

It was a win-win for Ron and the Croslins, Misty ~ not so much IMOO.

BRING HALEIGH HOME!:wub:

I agree in a way.....They ALL should be held accountable. Without accountablity...the cycle continues.

[?noanswer]

I agree in a way.....They ALL should be held accountable. Without accountablity...the cycle continues.



The cycle is in full force with many of the players in this saga. I wish there was a simple solution so eveyone could get their life back on track, not only for themselves, but for all the children involved. This is a sad situation all around. JMO

[Lovethechild]

The cycle is in full force with many of the players in this saga. I wish there was a simple solution so eveyone could get their life back on track, not only for themselves, but for all the children involved. This is a sad situation all around. JMO


*sigh* It is truely sad. NONE of these people are "on the right track". Hopefully, Haleigh is found safe and Everyone will clean up their acts.

[?noanswer]

It also could have been that at that age she was already missing school or for whatever other reason had dcf looking at her.... maybe the mother was put in the predicament either press charges on the dude nailing your daughter or we will press charges on you for letting this dude nail your daughter... just a possibility

Probably a combination of things. Bet no one in the family realized when things were beginning to spiral out of control until it was too late. It so sad that the end results are that a beautiful young girl is missing. Course don't know how much all of this contributed to the disappearance of Haleigh. Just seems it is much more complicated than it looked in the beginning. I can't imagine what LE is going thru trying to unravel all of the things that have emerged. JMO

[panache]

That could be possible or it could be that Misty was just telling Lisa... "no it's different this time mommy I'm going to make him marry me"

If such a threat was looming over Ron's head, it does explain a lot to me.

His demeanor coming out of the courthouse after applying for his wedding license.

Misty's jubilant interview at the same time, showing off her engagement ring.

Ron's nonchalant attitude when Cobra confronted him about Misty's 3 day weekend with WBG. Ron didn't have a choice but to accept what went on between them.

It explains TN and GramSykes validating the nuptials.

The marriage saved Ron from a prison sentence.

moo

[?noanswer]

I hope they find her soon and get whoever did it... you are right we don't know how much of this has to do with her disappearance but I do know this "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned... except for the fury of a teenage girl" and there are definitely plenty fitting that description in this cast of acquaintances... Even if she didn't harm her Misty is the one who holds the key to what really happened and most likely Ron too. I don't think that anyone on here can say that Ron married her out of love.


I really need to quit worrying about this. There is nothing that I can do to help solve this mystery. It does really bother me thinking that anyone would harm any child.

Yesterday there was a 20 yo father, his parents and an 18 yo girl with the same last name, (don't know if sister or wife) arrested for alledgedly raping and molesting his 18 month daughter. This is just totally sick. http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?s=10321384

JMO

[aproudmom]

Just had to come on and remember this sweet child who has been missing for 3 months tomorrow:sad:

I hate that it has been so long and seem no closer to finding little Haleigh or the person who took her..

Happy Mothers Day to all moms on here...we are so blessed to have our children with us..

Hope 4 Haleigh:rose:

[aproudmom]

I really need to quit worrying about this. There is nothing that I can do to help solve this mystery. It does really bother me thinking that anyone would harm any child.

Yesterday there was a 20 yo father, his parents and an 18 yo girl with the same last name, (don't know if sister or wife) arrested for alledgedly raping and molesting his 18 month daughter. This is just totally sick. http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?s=10321384

JMO

sick people how in the world..:cursing:

[?noanswer]

I have a question that still bugs me and you just reminded me of it....
was Misty interviewed/interrogated with her mom or an attorney present since she was a minor?
I once had hoped that Ron only married her so that she would become emancipated as an adult when the time came to throw her *** in jail.... but I don't think that is realistic... hopeful but not realistic.... whether the demand of marriage came from Misty or her family I am certain that Ron did not do it of his own free will... even though he looks so happy in all wedding pics and getting the license even... maybe it was something that Crystal was trying to alert the cops about ( how he was "with" a teenager) or maybe he himself just assumed that the cops would be after him for it... I REPEAT HE DOES NOT SEEM HAPPY ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF MARRYING MISTY that is a damn fact

I am going to stop trying to figure out any of the players in this saga. My mind does not work the same as theirs. I have never been in any of the situations that have emerged from this mystery; therefore cannot begin to decipher what the motives for any of their actions are. JMO

[aproudmom]

If such a threat was looming over Ron's head, it does explain a lot to me.

His demeanor coming out of the courthouse after applying for his wedding license.

Misty's jubilant interview at the same time, showing off her engagement ring.

Ron's nonchalant attitude when Cobra confronted him about Misty's 3 day weekend with WBG. Ron didn't have a choice but to accept what went on between them.

It explains TN and GramSykes validating the nuptials.

The marriage saved Ron from a prison sentence.

moo

I have said all along he did not seem to want to marry her but thought maybe she got angry and was going to leave cause there was a few days she was not seen and then boom they are getting married..but I thought maybe she was mad he was not standing up for her more..I have no clue this whole case is so sad..all these children..

[aproudmom]

I have a question that still bugs me and you just reminded me of it....
was Misty interviewed/interrogated with her mom or an attorney present since she was a minor?
I once had hoped that Ron only married her so that she would become emancipated as an adult when the time came to throw her *** in jail.... but I don't think that is realistic... hopeful but not realistic.... whether the demand of marriage came from Misty or her family I am certain that Ron did not do it of his own free will... even though he looks so happy in all wedding pics and getting the license even... maybe it was something that Crystal was trying to alert the cops about ( how he was "with" a teenager) or maybe he himself just assumed that the cops would be after him for it... I REPEAT HE DOES NOT SEEM HAPPY ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF MARRYING MISTY that is a damn fact

the times I saw her going in or coming out her mother was with her and due to her age they had to have permission they did not have to allow the mother to come in the room but just so they knew they had the right to not answer any questions with out a lawyer...

[seeker]

http://www.flaglerclerk.com/courtrecords.htm

Go to this link and type in his name Jeremy Miller with a %

You can track the court records that way.

If you also use this link for Lisa Croslin, you can also follow the injuction she imposed on JM.

JM and Misty were having a fling. Lisa pressed charges. That makes two that Misty has accused of *messing* with her. Cousin Joe being the second.

JM, for a teenage romance that I believe was consensual is incarcerated till 2012.

moo

Panache,

Where did you hear they were having a fling? I don't remember ever hearing that.

I don't agree with the idea that Ron married Misty because he was afraid Mrs. Croslin would press charges. I beleive he married Misty because she knows what happened to Haleigh and he needs her loyalty.

I am definitely not saying I am right, I was just a little surprised to see much or all the blame suddenly being placed upon Misty, with Ron being some sort of a victim. (Not your post, per se, but just the general thinking on here today)

What causes you to believe that Misty lied about this man when they were young? Her demeanor, her affect, her personality that we have seen (not what other young girls have said about her) speaks to me of a very troubled young girl who has led a life of sadness, abandonment, and trauma.

I believe she had the unfortunate experience of being at Ron's house when Haleigh was somehow hurt and I do not believe that she is responsible.

these are just my thoughts and opinions

[?noanswer]

Panache,

Where did you hear they were having a fling? I don't remember ever hearing that.

I don't agree with the idea that Ron married Misty because he was afraid Mrs. Croslin would press charges. I beleive he married Misty because she knows what happened to Haleigh and he needs her loyalty.

I am definitely not saying I am right, I was just a little surprised to see much or all the blame suddenly being placed upon Misty, with Ron being some sort of a victim. (Not your post, per se, but just the general thinking on here today)

What causes you to believe that Misty lied about this man when they were young? Her demeanor, her affect, her personality that we have seen (not what other young girls have said about her) speaks to me of a very troubled young girl who has led a life of sadness, abandonment, and trauma.

I believe she had the unfortunate experience of being at Ron's house when Haleigh was somehow hurt and I do not believe that she is responsible.

these are just my thoughts and opinions



I have not thought anyone has been trying to place blame tonight. Have been discussing what happened in Misty's life that is documented thru legal records. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have a question that still bugs me and you just reminded me of it....
was Misty interviewed/interrogated with her mom or an attorney present since she was a minor?
I once had hoped that Ron only married her so that she would become emancipated as an adult when the time came to throw her *** in jail.... but I don't think that is realistic... hopeful but not realistic.... whether the demand of marriage came from Misty or her family I am certain that Ron did not do it of his own free will... even though he looks so happy in all wedding pics and getting the license even... maybe it was something that Crystal was trying to alert the cops about ( how he was "with" a teenager) or maybe he himself just assumed that the cops would be after him for it... I REPEAT HE DOES NOT SEEM HAPPY ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF MARRYING MISTY that is a damn fact

He certainly did not seem to be a very happy newly wedded man .. I at first thought they got married in the future event of a trial .. or hints were made to make it legal because of the public's reaction of a 25 year old man with two children living with a 17 year old

The one thing I am certain of is they did not get married for Haleigh because that really is so far from the realm of normal thinking ... but then again what is normal in this cast of characters anyway

[?noanswer]

He certainly did not seem to be a very happy newly wedded man .. I at first thought they got married in the future event of a trial .. or hints were made to make it legal because of the public's reaction of a 25 year old man with two children living with a 17 year old

The one thing I am certain of is they did not get married for Haleigh because that really is so far from the realm of normal thinking ... but then again what is normal in this cast of characters anyway

One would have to define normal. I just know that what this group does is not the way I would define normal. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

It also could have been that at that age she was already missing school or for whatever other reason had dcf looking at her.... maybe the mother was put in the predicament either press charges on the dude nailing your daughter or we will press charges on you for letting this dude nail your daughter... just a possibility

That is an interesting thought --- Misty would be considered a truant child since she was not 18 and able to legally drop out of school

Not sure of Florida's laws but kids who are truant here, parents get arrested and tossed in jail

[TaraCrazyHair]

One would have to define normal. I just know that what this group does is not the way I would define normal. JMO

That is just it -- what is considered normal for them is vastly different than what is normal for me

In their world it could be socially acceptable to get married one month of your daughter disappears

In my world, it would be at least a year if not longer

In their world it is ok to move from the home your daughter knew right after she goes missing and in my world, I would never leave until she was home ...

Who knows if she is captive someplace, is able to get away, runs home to Daddy but the house is empty and daddy is not there

How scary, sad and pathetic

Moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

With Children's Services checking out everybody, I would pray you are right. Only thing is, right now everyone is on best behavior. We know that can change, on both sides, in a heartbeat.

Best behavior .. your right

They live with GGM and DCS will have their hands tied for awhile ...

Nothing will come of their investigation until Ron is out on his own again .. (if even then)

[TaraCrazyHair]

I was searching for some info and I came across this old news story. I suppose in the first blush of Haleigh being missing I overlooked the importance of it at the time. In this article Misty tells LE she went out on the *front porch to smole a cigarette, and claims she never used the rear door*. I find this interesting for two reasons, was Junior awake when she was out on the porch and did Misty bring a friend with her when she went back in. A friend that Junior may have seen. Also, I hope LE pinned her down on what time she ent out on that porch for a smoke.

http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/story.asp?S=9872755&nav=menu98_3

Misty Croslin, now, says she did go out on the front porch to smoke a cigarette the night 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings disappeared.

Investigators say there was no forced entry into the mobile home where Haleigh slept. And, now, Croslin admits she doesn't know how secure the doors really are.



Good question about the time she smoked .. before bed or when she went to pee

Interesting too she mentions not being sure about how secure the doors are ... especially after hearing all we did about the back door

Backtracking?

[diamond]

Best behavior .. your right

They live with GGM and DCS will have their hands tied for awhile ...

Nothing will come of their investigation until Ron is out on his own again .. (if even then)

I think that is the main reason Ron moved in with Granny. It worked the first time for him in court to gain custody by living with his mom and having built in baby sitter service.

[TaraCrazyHair]

WOW Cobra told Art he DID mean to bad mouth Crystal........:ohmy:

Now i'm shocked


What do you mean?

:confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think that is the main reason Ron moved in with Granny. It worked the first time for him in court to gain custody by living with his mom and having built in baby sitter service.

Well that and the fact he is not working and pulling in any income to support his wife and child

(:

Taking the easy way out?

Does GGM work?

Who is buying the food and necessities?

[seeker]

Best behavior .. your right

They live with GGM and DCS will have their hands tied for awhile ...

Nothing will come of their investigation until Ron is out on his own again .. (if even then)

Tara,

Why do you think that nothing will come of their investigation until Ron leaves his grandmother's house?

Or even then?

Do you think that they all will be able to stay on their best behavior indefinitely?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara,

Why do you think that nothing will come of their investigation until Ron leaves his grandmother's house?

Or even then?

Do you think that they all will be able to stay on their best behavior indefinitely?




If there was any type of abuse or excessive discipline, I don't think it will happen under GGM's roof

I also don't think she will tolerate drug usage

So the investigation by DCS is really null and void for now

Moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Comment#248

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#more-1970

and in comment 245 you can read about Ambers with Jerome and Nay Nay


Interesting (Thanks for looking up that for me)

So what was Cobra's purpose in bad mouthing Crystal? Any thoughts?

Also this part of Art's comment is intriguing ...

How’s that for Graham Greene? Somehow, I don’t think the Putnam County sheriff’s department would go for that one, but I’m sure they’d be all ears if she came up with the piece they are looking for–anyone credible who can pass a lie detector and place Misty somewhere outside the trailer — where she maintains she was sleeping when Haleigh mysteriously vanished. They still don’t buy her conflicting tales, and as his lawyers know all too well, have their eyes on Ronald, too, and others in the family circle.

As far as i have ever read, Ron's lawyers are basically nothing more than personal injury lawyers (ambulance chasers) ... how do they help in a criminal element?

[titanfan217]

That is just it -- what is considered normal for them is vastly different than what is normal for me

In their world it could be socially acceptable to get married one month of your daughter disappears

In my world, it would be at least a year if not longer

In their world it is ok to move from the home your daughter knew right after she goes missing and in my world, I would never leave until she was home ...

Who knows if she is captive someplace, is able to get away, runs home to Daddy but the house is empty and daddy is not there

How scary, sad and pathetic

Moo

I can sort of understand not being able to go back into a certain "home". There are/were 3 buildings where I had a major crisis and I would never go back to any of them.

In my world, I wouldn't be marrying anyone that may have been involved with my child being missing. If LE couldn't break 'em, I'd be questioning 'em every minute I could.

Didn't Misty have something on her ms that she won't be broken? If I were RC, I'd make sure she knew that wasn't true.

[diamond]

Comment#248

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#more-1970

and in comment 245 you can read about Ambers with Jerome and Nay Nay

Thanks for the link. What did Cobra say that was considered bad mouthing Crystal?

[seeker]

If there was any type of abuse or excessive discipline, I don't think it will happen under GGM's roof

I also don't think she will tolerate drug usage

So the investigation by DCS is really null and void for now

Moo

Just reading your last sentence would make me feel hopeless, but truly, I have faith that THIS investigation will be carried out, has been carried out, meticulously.

Those who condone violence, even in the form of "old school" punishment, don't change their characters in any deep way, to my way of thinking.

As far as allowing drug use, there has been nothing in Annette Sykes media appearances or reports I've read of her that leads me to think she would object to anything her grandson wanted to do, including drug use.

I apologize for sounding such a negative note and nothing I'm saying is intended to offend any poster here.

Based upon observed behavior of this family, and their own words, I fear for the vulnerable in this story.

my opinions and thoughts

[TaraCrazyHair]

I can sort of understand not being able to go back into a certain "home". There are/were 3 buildings where I had a major crisis and I would never go back to any of them.

In my world, I wouldn't be marrying anyone that may have been involved with my child being missing. If LE couldn't break 'em, I'd be questioning 'em every minute I could.

Didn't Misty have something on her ms that she won't be broken? If I were RC, I'd make sure she knew that wasn't true.


I could never go back into a home a child was murdered in

That would be the extent of my refusal to return home

(shrug)

If my child was missing .. i would not allow myself to leave until I knew some closure

[diamond]

Loved how he said they were looking for someone credible who could pass a lie detector test to put Misty outside the trailer that night.

Good luck with that:lol:

And Cobra really thought Amber was the one for that job? :confused:
I don't understand his thought process with that plan.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Just reading your last sentence would make me feel hopeless, but truly, I have faith that THIS investigation will be carried out, has been carried out, meticulously.

Those who condone violence, even in the form of "old school" punishment, don't change their characters in any deep way, to my way of thinking.

As far as allowing drug use, there has been nothing in Annette Sykes media appearances or reports I've read of her that leads me to think she would object to anything her grandson wanted to do, including drug use.

I apologize for sounding such a negative note and nothing I'm saying is intended to offend any poster here.

Based upon observed behavior of this family, and their own words, I fear for the vulnerable in this story.

my opinions and thoughts


I don't even believe in spanking and I raised five children without ever having to resort to spanking or any other type of physical punishment

I understand other people do spank and use belts, switches, whatever ... just not my style

Do you really think GGM would allow them to light up a joint or crack pipe or whatever in her home?

With this family I know it is hard to say -- but everyone has to draw a line, you know?

[diamond]

probably what my tag line says.......heck i have no clue. but whatever it was upset a few people.

If your signature line is all he said I don't see that as saying anything bad. Who are the people that are outraged about him saying that about Crystal? Do you think they are the people that post on Art's website?

[TaraCrazyHair]

And Cobra really thought Amber was the one for that job? :confused:
I don't understand his thought process with that plan.

Maybe he got inside information that Ron and Amber were having some hanky panky?

Like we have all said a thousand times ... who knows with that group of people

[diamond]

I'm not sure if Cobra's playing with a full deck of cards.

Apparently not if that is his best plan.

[TaraCrazyHair]

If your signature line is all he said I don't see that as saying anything bad. Who are the people that are outraged about him saying that about Crystal? Do you think they are the people that post on Art's website?



I wonder that too because simply saying her hands are not clean -- we all know that already

She is not perfect by any means and is not expected to be

If that is the extent of his badmouthing of Crystal ... then sheesh

[TaraCrazyHair]

At least he fits in with the rest. Good Lord, what a plan:ohmy:


I think Cobra trying to understand these people so he can fit in with them to get answers is turning his brain to mush!

[seeker]

And Cobra really thought Amber was the one for that job? :confused:
I don't understand his thought process with that plan.

I am curious why people think that Misty wasn't there that night, beyond rumors. To me, there is everything pointing to her being there, and now she is shouldering all the responsibility, as her new family placed it there, beginning during the 3:27 am 911 call and probably hours before that.

my opinions. my thoughts.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am curious why people think that Misty wasn't there that night, beyond rumors. To me, there is everything pointing to her being there, and now she is shouldering all the responsibility, as her new family placed it there, beginning during the 3:27 am 911 call and probably hours before that.

my opinions. my thoughts.

It all started as tips, rights?

Maybe the cigarette she went to smoke on the front porch was not really a cigarette on the front porch and she wandered further to smoke a "funny cigarette"

Regardless, since i do not feel Haleigh was taken by a stranger -- even that does not matter

[diamond]

uh huh did you read comment #245 on Art's site? No wonder the LE are pizzed at cobra.

Yes, I did read it. IF LE knew about that plan it is probably one of the reasons they are PO'd. Cobra can't possibly think he can get information that way. That is playing a stupid game.

[bookie]

uh huh did you read comment #245 on Art's site? No wonder the LE are pizzed at cobra.



Add that to illegally detaining the SO not connected to this case and I see bars and an orange jumpsuit in Cobra's future.

[seeker]

I don't even believe in spanking and I raised five children without ever having to resort to spanking or any other type of physical punishment

I understand other people do spank and use belts, switches, whatever ... just not my style

Do you really think GGM would allow them to light up a joint or crack pipe or whatever in her home?

With this family I know it is hard to say -- but everyone has to draw a line, you know?

I don't know Annette Sykes. Women who have sons and grandsons less voliatile and suspicious than Ron Cummings allow or turn a blind eye to these kinds of behaviors. I have no idea if she "allows," it, but I certainly don't believe that she is the one in charge in that home.

I have heard and seen nothing (beyond the fact that she is a great-grandmother) to lead me to think she would NOT allow this type of behavior, including some "old school" discipline of Little Ron and maybe Misty. I believe the stress and the tension of the constant being on guard only adds to the possibility that something bad will happen.

my opinions only

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't know Annette Sykes. Women who have sons and grandsons less voliatile and suspicious than Ron Cummings allow or turn a blind eye to these kinds of behaviors. I have no idea if she "allows," it, but I certainly don't believe that she is the one in charge in that home.

I have heard and seen nothing (beyond the fact that she is a great-grandmother) to lead me to think she would NOT allow this type of behavior, including some "old school" discipline of Little Ron and maybe Misty. I believe the stress and the tension of the constant being on guard only adds to the possibility that something bad will happen.

my opinions only



Very sad if your thoughts are true

Night all .. another long day tomorrow

And a sad Mother's Day for Crystal if she really is 100% innocent in this

[CANDYKISSES]

Mark this on your calendar, I'm marking mine. We agree on something.

How about that? :cool:

It has happened before, tho you might not want to admit it. :tonguewag:

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL THE MOTHERS HERE AND A SPECIAL PRAYER GOING OUT FOR CRYSTAL, MARIE, TERESA AND ANNETTE THIS MOTHERS DAY! :wub:

[cat3]

I am curious why people think that Misty wasn't there that night, beyond rumors. To me, there is everything pointing to her being there, and now she is shouldering all the responsibility, as her new family placed it there, beginning during the 3:27 am 911 call and probably hours before that.

my opinions. my thoughts.

Good question,seeker.I have often wondered why people still suspect Ron.LE said they are satisfied that he doesn't know what happened to his daughter,and I have read that it was confirmed he was at work,so I wonder why some still don't believe he's innocent.
As far as Misty I think it's all about LE saying she has been inconsistent,and then we do have all the rumors to contend with about her.I really wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't home that night,and really can't base it on anything,but my feelings.IMO

[cat3]

It has happened before, tho you might not want to admit it. :tonguewag:

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL THE MOTHERS HERE AND A SPECIAL PRAYER GOING OUT FOR CRYSTAL, MARIE, TERESA AND ANNETTE THIS MOTHERS DAY! :wub:

That's nice CK.I wish all a Happy Mothers Day as well.It would be a good day to hear good news about Haleigh.IMO

[cat3]

Not according to what LE has told Art. LE said they were satisfied with the accounting of his work hours, they never said he was cleared.

Agreed....they never said he was in the clear,but they did say during the Today show interview according to a reporter at the beginning of the show,that they were "satisfied that Ronald really doesn't know what happened to his little girl" When you put that together with the accounting of his work hours,it is a good bet that Ron really is innocent.IMO

[cat3]

Cobra commented on Arts site.........#270


wow he said.....he will not take money from either side as no one has clean hands :ohmy: what the heck does that mean?


I don't know,but very interesting.Thanks for the info.IMO

[diamond]

I'm not sure what Crystal did to get on Cobra's bad side but WOW he's rip roaring pizzed at her now :ohmy:


It sounds like it is about money.

[diamond]

I wonder if Crystal's finally realized Cobra's a snake in the grass and doesn't want to give him anymore money.


just a thought...

I don't know if she has or not but it seems to me that he is harping on money too much.

Personally, I think if KP brought him in as a private investigator he should be paid for those services and the investigation conducted professionally and kept private until concluded. It hasn't been and his conduct has not been professional. IMO That may be why he is not being paid.

I don't know what their agreement was or is for his investigation on this case but it appears that he is not satisfied with it since he is doing a lot of talking about it.

[PerneciaJane]

I'll admit.. a 13 year old and a 17 year old is icky, at best. Yet, RC remains un-touched. Wonder why?:sneaky:

I can't give a link for this info so take it with a grain of salt. Locals on another forum say Misty was brutally beaten and worse so it wasn't just a fling.

[teresa]

Hi,
actually I meant to leave a link... since I already know about his link tantrums, however I did not find that excerpt on his site I found it on cayleedaily.com so his gripe should be with them this time... Now I can't find the same page again but trust me that's where it came from. So to satisfy his web redirects here ya go:

http://www.artharris.com/

http://www.artharris.com/

http://www.artharris.com/

Not trying to be a smart *** to you and I really thought I had left a link.... no clue how to contact the person that you said I should so if you would like to do it for me give them my apologies.... my bad

No problem Jennica. I just didn't want you to get in trouble. I think you can hit the red thing in the upper right part of your post and ask CW (Coldwater) to delete it for you. Art's on a war path about it and he'll probably be contacting that blog you posted about.

Look for Coldwater's name on the main page (under forum leaders I think) and send her a pm. Or just don't worry about - Art may have moved on from his rant.

[aproudmom]

Happy Mother's day to all the moms

Sure today will be a very hard day for CS even if some don't like her I feel bad for her and all parents who do not have their children home.

[aproudmom]

No problem Jennica. I just didn't want you to get in trouble. I think you can hit the red thing in the upper right part of your post and ask CW (Coldwater) to delete it for you. Art's on a war path about it and he'll probably be contacting that blog you posted about.

Look for Coldwater's name on the main page (under forum leaders I think) and send her a pm. Or just don't worry about - Art may have moved on from his rant.

I noticed he had everything with his name across it is that what you are talking about..he does not want others copying stuff off his site?

[aproudmom]

Mimi - I have been thinking about this very thing. I am not sure how fair this DCF investigation will be ( not blaming DCF), but I am sure the living conditions are much different while living with GGS, then they would be if they were on their own like before. I hope, after they move out from GGS, that DCF will keep a close eye on the " new " home that JR will be living in.

omg don't count on it seems children are being looked over until something bad happens they don't watch them..here there is not even a DCF office any longer everything has been contracted out and done by phone only..thanks to our Gov..

[JackiBlu]

I don't know Annette Sykes. Women who have sons and grandsons less voliatile and suspicious than Ron Cummings allow or turn a blind eye to these kinds of behaviors. I have no idea if she "allows," it, but I certainly don't believe that she is the one in charge in that home.

I have heard and seen nothing (beyond the fact that she is a great-grandmother) to lead me to think she would NOT allow this type of behavior, including some "old school" discipline of Little Ron and maybe Misty. I believe the stress and the tension of the constant being on guard only adds to the possibility that something bad will happen.

my opinions only



Now you are going to start bashing a GreatGrandma. How low are you going to go with your hate against Ron? Try backing up your posts with some FACTS!!!!!!!!!!

JMO

[JackiBlu]

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY ~


To all the Moms, Grandmas, Greatgrandmas and Step-Moms (yes including Misty).

[Texas48]

It has happened before, tho you might not want to admit it. :tonguewag:

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL THE MOTHERS HERE AND A SPECIAL PRAYER GOING OUT FOR CRYSTAL, MARIE, TERESA AND ANNETTE THIS MOTHERS DAY! :wub:Very nice post CK..and worth repeating..I hope you don't mind..and may I add...Happy Mother's Day to you CK and each of my fellow posters..:wub:

[?noanswer]

O/T


Happy Mother's Day to all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX6flpUweIQ


JMO

[?noanswer]

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#comments post #294

Cobra's talking about $$'s given to him by CS to reimburse another person that paid rent, electric, whatever for the HBC. Thru some kind of agreement that $$'s and a horsetrader agreement with the bondsman was used to bail out AB and NN. Cobra said only 3 people knew about it. Seems the information about the $$ had already been posted earleir in the comment thread. Wonder who the other 2 beside CS knew about it. Wonder which of the 3 let the cat out of the bag. Maybe that is the reason Cobra says CS's hands are dirty. JMO

[Mimi428]

I just wanted to say Thank you mimi - I just about drove myself crazy, I could not find my post.

Also, thank you for posting the link to JVM. I am so happy that some are not giving up on finding Haleigh. It will be interesting to find out if Ron or anyone from his side of the family will be helping out. Personally, I hope Ron AND some of his family will help out.

My heart goes out to Crystal on Mothers Day. I feel this will be an EXTREMELY hard day for her. I will say a prayer that God gives her strength on this very hard day for her.

I do realize she has two other children that will bring her joy, but they will be a void because Haleigh is not there.

You are very welcome. If you go to a post that you (or anybody) wrote, scroll up to the upper left side where your name appears & click on it. 4 options will be there & one of them is to 'find all posts' - so click on that. Then a window will open up & have the posts in reverse order - starting with the very last one you wrote.

I'm also very happy that some effort is still being made by people outside of LE to keep Haleigh's name & picture actively circulating.

[bama__angel]

Thank you so much for the help Mimi. I am not very good with computers and I did not know I could do that. I really do appreciate your help!

I will say again HAPPY MOTHERS DAY to all the moms, grandmas, etc.

Also, I truly feel for Crystal today, I realize I said that yesterday, but I can't seem to get her off my mind.


I havent been able to get Haleigh off my mind today.....It's Mother's Day and Haleigh should be with her mama......God bless Crystal and Haleigh.....

Happy Mother's Day to all.......

[Texas48]

I do not understand where your post is coming from. I see Seekers post as always very carfully thought out and written very well. I alway's enjoy her post.

I have also noticed she is very careful to post it is her opinon. I think we are all have the right to share our opinions. I think more FACTS would be posted from all of us, if there were more FACTS out there. As you already know LE is keeping very tight lipped.

Happy Mothers day to EVERYONE and this would be a great day for Haleigh to come home.apple..maybe this will help you understand why the post/poster you responded to said what he/she did...Post #117 by seeker....................
As far as allowing drug use, there has been nothing in Annette Sykes media appearances or reports I've read of her that leads me to think she would object to anything her grandson wanted to do, including drug use.............................Apple.....now do you understand where *Jacki's* post "was coming from?"

[?noanswer]

Don't know if LE is celebrating Mother's Day with their family or the criminals are taking the day off. Only 7 people have been booked since midnight, 5 already bonded out.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

JMO

[panache]

Don't know if LE is celebrating Mother's Day with their family or the criminals are taking the day off. Only 7 people have been booked since midnight, 5 already bonded out.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

JMO

Does every LE agency run into this? Perps are arrested, booked, and within minutes, if not hours are bonded out. Often, the perps don't make it back for their court appearance, and the cycle begins again. This is crazy.

[Texas48]

I havent been able to get Haleigh off my mind today.....It's Mother's Day and Haleigh should be with her mama......God bless Crystal and Haleigh.....

Happy Mother's Day to all.......
Reading your post I was also reminded of the MANY PARENTS/MOTHERS that will not have their children with them..How blessed we all are. Happy Mothers Day angel as to all.

[Texas48]

Does every LE agency run into this? Perps are arrested, booked, and within minutes, if not hours are bonded out. Often, the perps don't make it back for their court appearance, and the cycle begins again. This is crazy.This could be the reason so many LE Dept. install *revolving doors*.In one and out the other..

[panache]

This could be the reason so many LE Dept. install *revolving doors*.In one and out the other..

I wonder if they have a greeter like Walmart. :biggrin:

[panache]

A Photo Speaks A Thousand Words (imo)

http://www.bloggernews.net/120819

[?noanswer]

Does every LE agency run into this? Perps are arrested, booked, and within minutes, if not hours are bonded out. Often, the perps don't make it back for their court appearance, and the cycle begins again. This is crazy.

Don't know. It does seem that some of the people taken into custody are wanted in other jurisdictions. JMO

[Texas48]

I wonder if they have a greeter like Walmart. :biggrin:well..if they do I hope they did not hire *anyone* that is WELL known to them..kwim?

[JackiBlu]

I do not understand where your post is coming from. I see Seekers post as always very carfully thought out and written very well. I alway's enjoy her post.

I have also noticed she is very careful to post it is her opinon. I think we are all have the right to share our opinions. I think more FACTS would be posted from all of us, if there were more FACTS out there. As you already know LE is keeping very tight lipped.

Happy Mothers day to EVERYONE and this would be a great day for Haleigh to come home.

It is just very hurtful, even it if is her own opinion, to be bashing GGM. I just don't understand why someone would even think somethng so bad. Carefully thought out or not it is wrong. That is just my opinion.

JMO

[panache]

so that picture speaks to you more then Ronald crying his eyes out and Crystal hugging all over him?

Not at all FA. In the spirit of Mother's Day, I thought the photo was appropos. I suppose Crystal is not having a Mother's Day like I did.

Besides that, if you read the article it was done fair to all parties.

To be fair and in the spirit of today, I'll post a pic of Ron that should please you.

BRB

[panache]

Thanks for the link, makes me very emotional to read, but glad I did...

I'm glad you took the article in the spirit I believe the writer intended bam. Its a bittersweet reminder of what Haleigh means to everyone, including us who post here daily.

[Texas48]

Now that is funny, here is your orange suit, you know where the shower is......:biggrin:lol...even makes you think they may have their own cell key..*just head on back and let yourself in..you wont be here long.*

[panache]

My favorite photograph of Ron and Haleigh.

Just look at Haleigh's face looking at her Dad! Isn't that expression something else? Full of wonder and amazement, and waiting to say, read it again daddy.

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu25/Haleighphotobucket/reading.jpg

[Texas48]

It is just very hurtful, even it if is her own opinion, to be bashing GGM. I just don't understand why someone would even think somethng so bad. Carefully thought out or not it is wrong. That is just my opinion.

JMOTrue..so true Jacki...posters should try and keep in mind *it* could happen to them in a flash.The post was most likely *thought* out and that is their opinion..so be it. I pray it never comes back to bite posters in the butt for their well thought out words of speaking so harshly of someone's GGM/victims and their families. To each his/her own. jmo

[JackiBlu]

This could be the reason so many LE Dept. install *revolving doors*.In one and out the other..

I just asked hubby about this. He is a retired corrections officer. He said there is a standard bail amount for each charge. If they have the money they can bond out. If not then they have to wait to see the judge who then could release them or raise their bail amount. That's why some bond out before seeing the judge if they have the money to do so.

[Texas48]

I'm glad you took the article in the spirit I believe the writer intended bam. Its a bittersweet reminder of what Haleigh means to everyone, including us who post here daily.so true..even with the difference of opinions I do believe each and everyone cares. I will never be convinced otherwise.

[Texas48]

I'm glad you took the article in the spirit I believe the writer intended bam. Its a bittersweet reminder of what Haleigh means to everyone, including us who post here daily.and to add..it was a great article and TY for sharing.

[Texas48]

Does every LE agency run into this? Perps are arrested, booked, and within minutes, if not hours are bonded out. Often, the perps don't make it back for their court appearance, and the cycle begins again. This is crazy.There is a standing *joke* at PD Depts. ..speaking of in one door and out the other before the ink is dry on the paperwork....Job Security for PDO's....always ppl to arrest.

[Texas48]

I'm not sure about larger cities/towns, but that sure is the way where I live. And people wonder why LE gets P.O'd.Its everywhere lizzie..The larger the town..just more bad folks on the streets.

[panache]

You're not alone, I was tearing at this video, it has the same picture in it several times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrZ1smF6lE

moo

Now you went and did it Viking!! That video broke my heart, and the music is so haunting. I don't think I will ever forget this story and little Haleigh and all the lives she touched, including mine.

thanks for posting it. :wub:

[panache]

Today's just the day for a box of kleenix. Wait till you hear this little girl's voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgS6Y6__W60&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelpfindthemissing%2Eorg%2Fforum %2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Fp%3D595665%26posted%3D1%23po st595665&feature=player_embedded

[titanfan217]

lol...even makes you think they may have their own cell key..*just head on back and let yourself in..you wont be here long.*

Welcome to Mayberry.

Has Otis checked in this weekend?

[Texas48]

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY ~


To all the Moms, Grandmas, Greatgrandmas and Step-Moms (yes including Misty).I thought I had read all the post but when I came back this post came up first and I guess I missed it..just wanted to pay you a compliment and say how thoughtful a poster you are to include Misty..yes..now she is a stepmom and no matter what..she gets a Happy Mothers Day wish as well..TY for thinking and being so gracious Jacki..

[Texas48]

A Photo Speaks A Thousand Words (imo)

http://www.bloggernews.net/120819SAD pan..nothing but sad imo..It also makes me think about HOW MANY MOTHERS no longer have their children with them for many reasons..an even sadder thought. Once again..how bless we are in our lives.

[Texas48]

My favorite photograph of Ron and Haleigh.

Just look at Haleigh's face looking at her Dad! Isn't that expression something else? Full of wonder and amazement, and waiting to say, read it again daddy.

http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu25/Haleighphotobucket/reading.jpgPrecious as well pan...IF..Haleigh is not home in time for Father's Day..this will be a terrific photo to post..

[panache]

I thought I had read all the post but when I came back this post came up first and I guess I missed it..just wanted to pay you a compliment and say how thoughtful a poster you are to include Misty..yes..now she is a stepmom and no matter what..she gets a Happy Mothers Day wish as well..TY for thinking and being so gracious Jacki..

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you re Misty having a happy Mother's Day. I'm just not all warm and fuzzy about her in lieu of the fact she walked out of her last questioning session and never returned. When she shows some cooperation in helping LE find Haleigh, then will I say she earned her stripes as a stepmom. Till then, Haleigh disappeared under her watch.

moo

[seeker]

You're not alone, I was tearing at this video, it has the same picture in it several times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrZ1smF6lE

moo
Viking,

My God! Where did this come from? Do you know who made this? It had only three viewings at 4:30pm pacific standard time. No comments yet with the video.

It is powerful! My heart is breaking...

these are my feelings and opinions

[?noanswer]

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you re Misty having a happy Mother's Day. I'm just not all warm and fuzzy about her in lieu of the fact she walked out of her last questioning session and never returned. When she shows some cooperation in helping LE find Haleigh, then will I say she earned her stripes as a stepmom. Till then, Haleigh disappeared under her watch.

moo

There was some information somewhere that Misty had been interviewed some more. I think it was by TJH. LE said that because people had a high number of interviews, didn't necessarily mean anything. Said when they hear something, they will call whomever it was about back in to get their side of the story. JMO

[?noanswer]

Viking,

My God! Where did this come from? Do you know who made this? It had only three viewings at 4:30pm pacific standard time. No comments yet with the video.

It is powerful! My heart is breaking...

these are my feelings and opinions


There are a lot of good videos out there and many of them have been there since the disappearance. I understand some of them were done by GGM Sikes.
PS It has had 29 hits now.
JMO

[panache]

I think if we believe the recent reports, Misty has returned. At the time of her walkout they said she had been questioned six times. The report I read this weekend said she has been questioned ten times.

Do you have a link to that report. I read the *ten* times too on a blog, but considered it an expression or at best an estimate. If Misty went to LE four more times it would have been all over the media like white on rice.

moo

[seeker]

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you re Misty having a happy Mother's Day. I'm just not all warm and fuzzy about her in lieu of the fact she walked out of her last questioning session and never returned. When she shows some cooperation in helping LE find Haleigh, then will I say she earned her stripes as a stepmom. Till then, Haleigh disappeared under her watch.

moo

How do we know that that is really the truth, Panache? How do we know who last saw Haleigh alive?

Whatever Misty has witnessed, whatever her involvement, if any, WHO will give this just 17-year-old girl the strength to come forward? Fear and trauma and sheer horror are probably what his child is living with.

WHO will help her tell what she knows? Who will be there for her once she does?

my thoughts and opinions

[?noanswer]

Do you have a link to that report. I read the *ten* times too on a blog, but considered it an expression or at best an estimate. If Misty went to LE four more times it would have been all over the media like white on rice.

moo


http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


It is the video with MC face on it. As far as the media, they really aren't reporting much anymore. JMO

[seeker]

There are a lot of good videos out there and many of them have been there since the disappearance. I understand some of them were done by GGM Sikes.
PS It has had 29 hits now.
JMO

Can you point me in the direction of family-made videos, ?noanswer?

thanks,

seeker

[?noanswer]

More Haleigh videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos)


JMO

[?noanswer]

I am totally lost with all of this with Cobra and the money, etc. What has happened? I hope someone will help me out.

Can't explain any further than I did in post. Go to the AH site and read the comment # that I referenced. It took me a while to decipher the comment. JMO

[JackiBlu]

I am totally lost with all of this with Cobra and the money, etc. What has happened? I hope someone will help me out.

I'm totally lost too apple. Seems somehow money for rent, utilities etc. was given to Cobra to give to someone??? Then that money was used to bail out Amber and Nay Nay. But why would Crystall want them bailed out? All is very strange.

JMO

[panache]

How do we know that that is really the truth, Panache? How do we know who last saw Haleigh alive?

Whatever Misty has witnessed, whatever her involvement, if any, WHO will give this just 17-year-old girl the strength to come forward? Fear and trauma and sheer horror are probably what his child is living with.

WHO will help her tell what she knows? Who will be there for her once she does?

my thoughts and opinions



I found this last night on my endless searching. What grabbed my attention is if true that Gramma Sykes visited the MH that night, was she telling Haleigh to behave because Ron called her from work to check on things. Did he think Misty might just take off again, after all it was her first night back after her get away weekend. I doubt every thing was all rosey peach so soon between the two of them.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

moo

[seeker]

Today's just the day for a box of kleenix. Wait till you hear this little girl's voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgS6Y6__W60&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhelpfindthemissing%2Eorg%2Fforum %2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Fp%3D595665%26posted%3D1%23po st595665&feature=player_embedded

Thank you, Panache,

Another moving video. What a beautiful heart Crystal has; what love in the midst of doubt and anguish.

It is so hard to reconcile love and loss, doubt and hope, fear and anger, knowledge and righteous indignation!

The little girl singing has a beautiful voice. So many people searching, begging for the truth to be told.

To all of Haleigh's family, Love and Truth, Peace and Comfort, Courage and Conviction.

these are my thoughts

[?noanswer]

I'm totally lost too apple. Seems somehow money for rent, utilities etc. was given to Cobra to give to someone??? Then that money was used to bail out Amber and Nay Nay. But why would Crystall want them bailed out? All is very strange.

JMO

The poster of the comment on the AH site claimed to be Cobra. Who knows if it was really him. JMO

[?noanswer]

I found this last night on my endless searching. What grabbed my attention is if true that Gramma Sykes visited the MH that night, was she telling Haleigh to behave because Ron called her from work to check on things. Did he think Misty might just take off again, after all it was her first night back after her get away weekend. I doubt every thing was all rosey peach so soon between the two of them.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

moo

I don't see anything unusual in that comment. Lots of time I would tell my Children/Grandchilden to be good or to behave. Just something to say. JMO

[panache]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


It is the video with MC face on it. As far as the media, they really aren't reporting much anymore. JMO

Thanks, I just listened and heard that. I'm so suprised the media itself has not reported those four interviews.

Ten times is quite a lot, sounds like LE is still trying to get info from her. If she had given them something substantial to turn this investigation in another direction, I think LE would have said something. Unless she is the one who but the bug in LE's ear that Haleigh could be alive. Wouldn't that be something?

moo

moo

[JackiBlu]

I don't see anything unusual in that comment. Lots of time I would tell my Children/Grandchilden to be good or to behave. Just something to say. JMO

I tell my granddaughter the same thing. She is totally a daddy's girl. So I'm always asking are you being a good girl. My son spoils her rotten but that's ok I know how much she is loved. So I can't read anything into that comment by GGM.

If Ron did call GGM that night I'm sure LE have the phone records and would ask why.


JMO

[panache]

More Haleigh videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos)


JMO

Thanks. Not one of those videos was produced by a family member though. Do you have any that were?

[seeker]

I found this last night on my endless searching. What grabbed my attention is if true that Gramma Sykes visited the MH that night, was she telling Haleigh to behave because Ron called her from work to check on things. Did he think Misty might just take off again, after all it was her first night back after her get away weekend. I doubt every thing was all rosey peach so soon between the two of them.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

moo

Panache, thanks for searching for this. However much I respect you, it is just not in me to believe that Annette Sykes is telling the truth here. It is over a week after Haleigh went missing that this story of her,and possibly someone else, stopping by that evening. I suspect it was a story after the fact in order to shore up "the timeline."

Their family always tells what Haleigh said, what Haleigh wanted (such as the marriage between Ron and Misty). Using a child in that way sends up the waving red flags, it is not right, it doesn't ring true, it is all hogwash, in my opinion.

As far as things not being kosher between Ron and Misty in those days, I totally agree; I suspect the anger and emotional turmoil spilled over onto Haleigh. (I would go out on a limb and venture a guess: Ron's family didn't know what was going on between he and Misty in those days prior to Haleigh vanishing in to thin air).

But, I worry about the traumatic events that Little Ron probably experienced (and quite possibly, Misty) and the rewriting of history that is possibly taking place in order to "help" his little psyche, and her older one.

These are my feelings and thoughts and opinions about this.

[?noanswer]

Thanks. Not one of those videos was produced by a family member though. Do you have any that were?

No, I just remember in the very beginning, there were some really good ones. I don't know where I got the idea they were by family memebers. Maybe I just thought it because don't know who else would have had all the pictures. There are some really good pictures out there now, but I had not seen the one that was posted today with her dad reading to her. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I found this last night on my endless searching. What grabbed my attention is if true that Gramma Sykes visited the MH that night, was she telling Haleigh to behave because Ron called her from work to check on things. Did he think Misty might just take off again, after all it was her first night back after her get away weekend. I doubt every thing was all rosey peach so soon between the two of them.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/One-Of-The-Last-Women-To-See-Haleigh-Cummings/8y-A0hXlRUGC-G4ZUvEUaA.cspx

moo



I think she would have told Misty to "behave"

(;

[TaraCrazyHair]

I am totally lost with all of this with Cobra and the money, etc. What has happened? I hope someone will help me out.

I have been lost on this subject as well .... who was the money donated by, what was the purpose of the money really for, what did Crystal say about the money and Cobra?

So confusing

Was it dirty money and that is what he means by "no clean hands"?

[seeker]

More Haleigh videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1itRET-D7u8&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ITPSU8xdQ&feature=fvsr)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sprmc7Hc5AU&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSOE61pIQi0&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8NpXdJpOos)


JMO

Thanks. Which one is the one you mentioned being made my GGM Sykes or anyone else in Haleigh's family? I realized there were many videos about Haleigh. How do you search and know that a particular video was made by Annette Sykes?

You responded to my being very moved by the youtube video of Haleigh's story put up by Viking this afternoon and you felt the need to let me know that Annette Sykes, Ron's grandmother made and posted one.

Were you wanting me to wade through them all or will you point me in the direction of hers, or another family member's?

Thanks again,

seeker

[panache]

I think she would have told Misty to "behave"

(;

You have a point there Tara!:thumbsup:

[seeker]

Isn't it? Thanks Seeker, it was a friend of mine who threw it together and gave me the heads up when it was posted. The lyrics are so appropriate for the tribute, imo.

moo

Please tell your friend it's very moving and well done tribute and one that grabs certain of us.

I better just go post a comment for him or her.

seeker

[panache]

I have been lost on this subject as well .... who was the money donated by, what was the purpose of the money really for, what did Crystal say about the money and Cobra?

So confusing

Was it dirty money and that is what he means by "no clean hands"?

The only thing I know about it is that Crystal supposidly gave $800 to Cobra from the Haleighbug Fund to assist in his searching. I can't even recall where I read that. However every expenditure from that fund is documented, so there should be a paper trial if necessary.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you re Misty having a happy Mother's Day. I'm just not all warm and fuzzy about her in lieu of the fact she walked out of her last questioning session and never returned. When she shows some cooperation in helping LE find Haleigh, then will I say she earned her stripes as a stepmom. Till then, Haleigh disappeared under her watch.

moo

I agree

It is not hard to tell the truth if you have nothing to hide

[?noanswer]

These are the videos that are supposed to be by GGM Sykes. She is supposed to be barbibabies. I do not know if it is her. That was what was said in the beginning. JMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM&feature=channel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAK2VuGnCNg&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAK2VuGnCNg&feature=channel)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Until such time as Misty has been convicted of a crime related to the cause of Haleigh's disappearance, she is still entitled to the good wishes accorded to all other mothers, step-mothers, foster mothers, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, as good as mom mothers, and anyone else who deserves the wishes. imo

I am sorry but I have a hard time with that one

Marrying the missing child's daddy does not make her a mother ..

Moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

These are the videos that are supposed to be by GGM Sykes. She is supposed to be barbibabies. I do not know if it is her. That was what was said in the beginning. JMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWEWJWZ-Ts&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM&feature=channel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAK2VuGnCNg&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAK2VuGnCNg&feature=channel)

barbibabies lists her age as 27

Don't think GGM is 27?

[?noanswer]

I am sorry but I have a hard time with that one

Marrying the missing child's daddy does not make her a mother ..

Moo

It does make her a step mother. I do believe there are mother's day cards for step mothers as well as mothers, grandmothers, etc. I cannot figure out who is responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh; therefore I cannot bash anyone until I know. I can give my opinion that I think the marriage was wrong as to the way I would do things, but that does not mean it was wrong for RC & MC.


JMO

[?noanswer]

barbibabies lists her age as 27

Don't think GGM is 27?

Ok, guess I was wrong!! JMO

[panache]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/05/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Caylee-Anthony


Cobra being interviewed.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Ok, guess I was wrong!! JMO

Could it be Ron's sister?

[Texas48]

That picture of Crystal and reading the article about little Haleigh Bug has me sobbing.

No mother should have to suffer the pain of not knowing where their baby is.

I cannot begin to imagine her sorrow. I pray she has strong arms to hold her today.

I pray Haleigh Bug comes home safe. Soon. :rose:
Hey Kathy Rae..hope u had a good Mother's Day..such a sad subject we are all here discussing on a treasured day for Mothers all over the world. The photo of Crystal is heart breaking. My thoughts go to parents who have lost children due to illness and kidnapping and murder and LOST. I can only quess it is with God's help that gets parents through such a tragedy and even with that I see parents never being the same.....

[seeker]

Seeker,

Panache said Haleigh disappeared under Misty's watch. So, we all know that is true. I did not see where Panache said Misty was the last one to see Haleigh alive.

I don't quite understand your post - Are you saying you feel sorry for Misty? If you are, you have the right to your opinions, personally I do not feel sorry for Misty.

Hi Apple,

I very well could have misunderstood Panache's meaning. My point was, that the whole story is suspect, so when we say she disappeared under Misty's watch, I just have trouble with that. My own problem, not meant to mean I'm right.

As far as Misty goes. I do feel sorry for her. She is a child caught up with, who I perceive to be a violent controlling boyfriend, now husband. Feeling sorry for her doesn't mean I think that she is perfect. If I find that she is directly involved it will be shocking, but if it is true, than that is what it is. I have moments of feeling sorry for Ron, too. Just like my thinking that Ron is not a very good man doesn't negate the fact that he must have some good qualities. He is young. If he did something to her accidentally and comes clean, than I will respect him for finally telling the truth.

It's hard Apple. My oldest son is a year younger than Ron. I have four sons under that, and than my youngest child, my only girl, who is 16. I am obviously having difficulty seeing past what seems so very obvious (to me). In my opinion this child, Haleigh Ann-Marie,was hurt, probably accidentally, and if so, Ron is coercing a young girl (Misty) and his close family into helping him cover it up.

Just because I would not stand behind my sons or daughter if they did something to an innocent child, it doesn't mean I'm right. My heart would break but I would encourage them to tell the truth and if not, I would shout their guilt from the housetops. (I have in smaller things they have done. It doesn't make me their best friend, but I hope it will mold them into good and honorable men and a woman).

If we don't teach our young ones to stand up for truth and take responsibility for their own actions, than what are we even doing as parents?

I truly apologize to those of you who see it differently. I cannot possibly know if I am even close to the truth, but it looks to me that a horrible thing happened to Haleigh and everything since then has been fabrication and a scrambling to stay ahead of the truth.

Once again, as always, these are my opinions

[TaraCrazyHair]

It does make her a step mother. I do believe there are mother's day cards for step mothers as well as mothers, grandmothers, etc. I cannot figure out who is responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh; therefore I cannot bash anyone until I know. I can give my opinion that I think the marriage was wrong as to the way I would do things, but that does not mean it was wrong for RC & MC.


JMO


Which is just fine (:

Your not wrong in your opinion

I am not wrong in my opinion

All is good

[?noanswer]

Could it be Ron's sister?

I'm not gonna comment anymore (enough egg on my face already), except to say whomever it was, had a lot of pictures!!!

[?noanswer]

Which is just fine (:

Your not wrong in your opinion

I am not wrong in my opinion

All is good


eggsactly!!!! JMO

[panache]

It does make her a step mother. I do believe there are mother's day cards for step mothers as well as mothers, grandmothers, etc. I cannot figure out who is responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh; therefore I cannot bash anyone until I know. I can give my opinion that I think the marriage was wrong as to the way I would do things, but that does not mean it was wrong for RC & MC.


JMO

Do they make stepmother cards for 17 yr olds who romp in a sexcapade for three days? Sorry, its just too icky a factor to me, and an insult to all the legitmate stepmoms out there who truly fill the role to put Misty in that category.

moo

[panache]

I'm not gonna comment anymore (enough egg on my face already), except to say whomever it was, had a lot of pictures!!!

Your lovable and that's all that counts. :drool:

[?noanswer]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/05/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Caylee-Anthony


AH has joined the conversation with Cobra, Simon & Co, JMO

[?noanswer]

Oh, I defiently think that if GGS was there it was because Ron wanted her to check on the children.

Now, here are two things that still bother me and if anyone knows the answers I would love to hear them.


1) In this article, GGS talk's about *we* stopped by the home. Have we ever found out who the other person was with GGS?

2) I have alway's found it strange in the beginning when Misty was asked who was at their home that day I never heard her say GGS...so, why did she never mention her name? ...Has Misty ever said GGS was there? I know in the beginning she never said it, but if Misty ever did say GGS was there then I missed it somewhere.

I don't have a link, this is only from memory that I saw somewhere it was her daughter, Crystal. JMO

[seeker]

Which is just fine (:

Your not wrong in your opinion

I am not wrong in my opinion

All is good

Thanks for reminding us all. We share a common bond, here. We are hurting for a little girl vanished and for her family.

Some of us :scared:are just a bit more vocal in our speculating and theorizing. I respect you all who can remain so neutral and unbiased.

my thoughts and...

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY, EVERYONE !!!

[?noanswer]

I have read that comment again and I feel silly, but I still do not understand.

Did Cobra use the $800.00 or not?

That is just one question I have about that article. In the beginning it sounds like he did, but at the end it sounds like he did not.

I have never wrote in to AH, but I might just have to and tell him to please explain that comment..lol.

This is the way I understood it. Someone paid some bills with their own funds, then Cobra got the money to reimburse him from CS. Then Cobra and that person decided that Cobra could use the money to bond out AB & NN. So I guess that person in essence donated the money that was sent to him to reimburse him for the bills to Cobra for the bond money.
That is the way I read it, but that might not be what happened. I actually copied it to my word processor and studied it. It was not written very clearly in the post. JMO

[panache]

Thanks for reminding us all. We share a common bond, here. We are hurting for a little girl vanished and for her family.

Some of us :scared:are just a bit more vocal in our speculating and theorizing. I respect you all who can remain so neutral and unbiased.

my thoughts and...

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY, EVERYONE !!!


Cobra doesn't believe Mrs. Sykes either, FWIW.

moo

[?noanswer]

Ok Cobra just said any blogger with negative comments are friends of the abductors! He also said he was the one that put KP in touch with CS - (I thought it was Marie). JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm not gonna comment anymore (enough egg on my face already), except to say whomever it was, had a lot of pictures!!!


LOL -- your ok (:

Has to be a family member or somebody close to the family since the join date was Feb 23rd

(EEK --- family type person?)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Cobra doesn't believe Mrs. Sykes either, FWIW.

moo


Which Mrs Sykes?

[seeker]

Your lovable and that's all that counts. :drool:

Thank you for going to the trouble of looking. As far as egg on anyone's face, your kindness and lack of judgment make me feel ashamed at times. This whole thing is way emotionally charged for me and I regret upsetting you, ?noanswer, jacki, and anyone else here that I may have alienated.

I really thought this was a place we could throw our ideas out there and discuss our thoughts about what could have happened to Haleigh. Is there anyway we can do that without hurting someone? If someone knows, please tell me. I'm open to learn...my thoughts

[panache]

Cobra took Junior for ice cream and a swim in a pool one day, and says Junior told him the cinder block is always there in the screen door.

Ron asked him about the lock. Cobra said that lock being tampered would have made a lot of noise.

[panache]

Thank you for going to the trouble of looking. As far as egg on anyone's face, your kindness and lack of judgment make me feel ashamed at times. This whole thing is way emotionally charged for me and I regret upsetting you, ?noanswer, jacki, and anyone else here that I may have alienated.

I really thought this was a place we could throw our ideas out there and discuss our thoughts about what could have happened to Haleigh. Is there anyway we can do that without hurting someone? If someone knows, please tell me. I'm open to learn...my thoughts


I treasure your posts and thoughts seeker. They inspire me.

This Simon/Cobra interview is an eyeopener. :w00t:

[panache]

I don't get all the misinformation over who picked her up from school?

Who did the bus driver say picked her up? That person would be the most accurate

Cobra was vague, I couldn't catch it. It sounded like Misty, but it was muffled.

What concerns me is this guy Sapp. RSO.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thank you for going to the trouble of looking. As far as egg on anyone's face, your kindness and lack of judgment make me feel ashamed at times. This whole thing is way emotionally charged for me and I regret upsetting you, ?noanswer, jacki, and anyone else here that I may have alienated.

I really thought this was a place we could throw our ideas out there and discuss our thoughts about what could have happened to Haleigh. Is there anyway we can do that without hurting someone? If someone knows, please tell me. I'm open to learn...my thoughts


If there is one thing I have learned in my years on this board and many cases is not to take anything to heart personally from other posters

There are three sides to every story and in the quest to find the third side, differences in opinion will occur

[panache]

Cobra talking about the AC guy..Lived nearby to Ron's MH.

AC guy has avoided Cobra three times.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Cobra was vague, I couldn't catch it. It sounded like Misty, but it was muffled.

What concerns me is this guy Sapp. RSO.

Sapp sounds vaguely familiar

What is his record?

(the again i could be thinking of Warren Sapp lol)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Cobra talking about the AC guy..Lived nearby to Ron's MH.

AC guy has avoided Cobra three times.

As well he should because LE has cleared him, he probably has time records and solid alibi (or was not even there that day)

If he was under any suspicion whatsoever, LE would have leaked his name for tips

Don't you think?

[Texas48]

It does make her a step mother. I do believe there are mother's day cards for step mothers as well as mothers, grandmothers, etc. I cannot figure out who is responsible for the disappearance of Haleigh; therefore I cannot bash anyone until I know. I can give my opinion that I think the marriage was wrong as to the way I would do things, but that does not mean it was wrong for RC & MC.


JMOwell said noanswer.

[panache]

Panache, if you are done listening, did Cobra give any reason why he believes Haleigh is alive?

Do you Panache, or anyone else here tonight believe Haleigh is alive?

The only reason Cobra gave is he hasn't found any evidence of her being deceased.

Personally, I feel she was dead Feb 9th.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Panache, if you are done listening, did Cobra give any reason why he believes Haleigh is alive?

Do you Panache, or anyone else here tonight believe Haleigh is alive?

Gone Baby Gone

------

Or she really is dead


(moo)

[?noanswer]

Cobra talking about the AC guy..Lived nearby to Ron's MH.

AC guy has avoided Cobra three times.


Did you listen to this earlier? You post things before I hear them say it. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I sure don't know, but if you figure it out please let me know..lol


I am thinking he means drug type money?

Nothing from valid donations

heck, i don't know! lol

But no clean hands tells me dirty money

[TaraCrazyHair]

If it is true that Jr told him the cinder block is always there -- then we have the answer to why Ron (despite work verification) has not been cleared as a suspect

Interesting

[Mimi428]

Cobra doesn't believe Mrs. Sykes either, FWIW.

moo

I'm gonna feel like I'm channeling Gomer Pyle, but I'll post it anyway - surprise, surprise, surprise!

(that's sarcasm, but certainly not directed at you)

[?noanswer]

If it is true that Jr told him the cinder block is always there -- then we have the answer to why Ron (despite work verification) has not been cleared as a suspect

Interesting

Who was watching Jr when he took his little trip far away to retrieve bricks to prop open the motel room door? JMO

[panache]

Sapp sounds vaguely familiar

What is his record?

(the again i could be thinking of Warren Sapp lol)

He has quite an extensive record. He's the one who went to the Haleigbug Center three times. Cobra detained him recently.

[panache]

Did you listen to this earlier? You post things before I hear them say it. JMO

No, I'm listening right now. Quite interesting isn't it?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Who was watching Jr when he took his little trip far away to retrieve bricks to prop open the motel room door? JMO


I am sorry --- you totally and completely lost me?

(It has been a very long depressing day so I am sure it is my fault I am not understanding)

:confused:

[seeker]

I agree

It is not hard to tell the truth if you have nothing to hide

True Dat, Tara!

Edited to add. I went back and read what you were responding to. In principle I agree that it is not hard to tell the truth if you have nothing to hide.

But, when speaking of Misty, if she does know the truth of what happened to Haleigh, it may be hard to tell for many reasons, one being FEAR of bodily harm.

As usual, my opinions

[diamond]

Cobra was vague, I couldn't catch it. It sounded like Misty, but it was muffled.

What concerns me is this guy Sapp. RSO.

Cobra said that he talked to the bus driver and it was Misty that picked Haleigh up from the bus stop on Monday, Feb. 09, 2009 at 3PM
So now we know Ron and his mother both lied about it. What else are they lying about? I mean, if they will lie about something that simple, what else are they lying about.

He also said that the last verification of people seeing Haleigh is at 3PM by five people including the bus driver. When asked about Mrs. Sykes seeing Haleigh at 7PM Cobra said that is what she says. He does not believe she ever went by there.
Neither do I.

[TaraCrazyHair]

He has quite an extensive record. He's the one who went to the Haleigbug Center three times. Cobra detained him recently.


Maybe he is where the "dirty money" comes from?

Just going by my thoughts of dirty money/clean hands

[?noanswer]

I am sorry --- you totally and completely lost me?

(It has been a very long depressing day so I am sure it is my fault I am not understanding)

:confused:

I'm listening to Cobra on the radio. He said Crystal & Jr came to his motel room and that Jr went far away and got 2 bricks & propped open the motel room door. JMO

[panache]

As well he should because LE has cleared him, he probably has time records and solid alibi (or was not even there that day)

If he was under any suspicion whatsoever, LE would have leaked his name for tips

Don't you think?

I'm thinking the AC guy did not see Haleigh that afternoon.

I'm really concerned about Sapp hanging around there. His record is sick.

[panache]

I am thinking he means drug type money?

Nothing from valid donations

heck, i don't know! lol

But no clean hands tells me dirty money

No, no Cobra just addressed the money. It was a gift, if they want it back, he'll return it.

[?noanswer]

I must have skipped school the day this lesson was discussed. What motel room?


See my post up above. JMO

[panache]

Donald Sapp is Misty's brother's wife's brother ... another registered SO

Which coincidently brings me to a post a read on another board long ago that stated it was not Cousin Joe at the home that afternoon, but Donald Sapp

I knew it sounded familiar!!!!!


Donald Sapp

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6441

[diamond]

I'm thinking the AC guy did not see Haleigh that afternoon.

I'm really concerned about Sapp hanging around there. His record is sick.

I think if the AC guy came by it must have been earlier in the day while Haleigh was at school.

[?noanswer]

I'm confused not. I thought this guy Simon was from the North West. Now he just said something about Picayune, Ms. ?????

JMO

[titanfan217]

Sapp sounds vaguely familiar

What is his record?

(the again i could be thinking of Warren Sapp lol)


lol That's exactly who I thought about.

[diamond]

I'm listening to Cobra on the radio. He said Crystal & Jr came to his motel room and that Jr went far away and got 2 bricks & propped open the motel room door. JMO

That sounds like it was a common practice to prop open the door.

[?noanswer]

Cobra said less than 10 people responded with about a 1,000. from the fund raiser last week. Making another pitch for donations.

Also said if know anyone that has skipped bond, let him know and he will pick them up and collect the fee. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Cobra said that he talked to the bus driver and it was Misty that picked Haleigh up from the bus stop on Monday, Feb. 09, 2009 at 3PM
So now we know Ron and his mother both lied about it. What else are they lying about? I mean, if they will lie about something that simple, what else are they lying about.

He also said that the last verification of people seeing Haleigh is at 3PM by five people including the bus driver. When asked about Mrs. Sykes seeing Haleigh at 7PM Cobra said that is what she says. He does not believe she ever went by there.
Neither do I.


I always figured that if GGM was there at 7:00 PM that night -- it would be in the police reports from that night

[panache]

I'm confused not. I thought this guy Simon was from the North West. Now he just said something about Picayune, Ms. ?????

JMO

He's from England. His show is broadcast from there.

I think...I used to listen to him during the Natalee case.

This was quite a show tonight.

Cobra and Art in a love fest. Cobra told Art not to leave this case and he has something for him on Tues. when he returns to Patulak.

[?noanswer]

That sounds like it was a common practice to prop open the door.


I think that was what Cobra was inferring. JMO

[Mimi428]

I am thinking he means drug type money?

Nothing from valid donations

heck, i don't know! lol

But no clean hands tells me dirty money

My interpretation of his remarks was this:

Someone gave Crystal money in the amount of $800 & it went to pay rent, utilities, etc. The agreement was that Crystal would repay that money from donations. When the donations were sufficient to cover the $800, Crystal obtained the money through proper channels, then handed the money to Cobra to hand over to the original payor.

IOW, $800 passed from Crystal's hands to Cobra's hands, but the money did not belong to Crystal in the first place - she was just the one handing it over. Cobra's hands took the $800 to original donor. At that time, the original donor & Cobra agreed to spend some of that money on the bond needed to get Amber & Nay Nay out of jail.

So...a person who knew that Crystal handed $800 over to Cobra could get the mistaken impression it was her money & that she was paying her own money to him for his services.

Make sense?

[titanfan217]

Panache, if you are done listening, did Cobra give any reason why he believes Haleigh is alive?

Do you Panache, or anyone else here tonight believe Haleigh is alive?


My interpretation was that it was positive thinking to keep people going, but there hasn't been anything to indicate she's not (like a body).

[TaraCrazyHair]

lol That's exactly who I thought about.

LOL -- your a football fan too then

(Or you watch DWTS)

I don't

(;

[titanfan217]

As well he should because LE has cleared him, he probably has time records and solid alibi (or was not even there that day)

If he was under any suspicion whatsoever, LE would have leaked his name for tips

Don't you think?


I just hope he's told LE whether Haleigh was there or not.

[TaraCrazyHair]

My interpretation of his remarks was this:

Someone gave Crystal money in the amount of $800 & it went to pay rent, utilities, etc. The agreement was that Crystal would repay that money from donations. When the donations were sufficient to cover the $800, Crystal obtained the money through proper channels, then handed the money to Cobra to hand over to the original payor.

IOW, $800 passed from Crystal's hands to Cobra's hands, but the money did not belong to Crystal in the first place - she was just the one handing it over. Cobra's hands took the $800 to original donor. At that time, the original donor & Cobra agreed to spend some of that money on the bond needed to get Amber & Nay Nay out of jail.

So...a person who knew that Crystal handed $800 over to Cobra could get the mistaken impression it was her money & that she was paying her own money to him for his services.

Make sense?

It is the "original donor" and bailing two druggies out of jail that makes me think of dirty money

[TaraCrazyHair]

Donald Sapp

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=6441

And it was him, not Joe there at the house

Ron did insist it was not Joe

But why didn't he say who it was?

[Mimi428]

So now we know Ron and his mother both lied about it. What else are they lying about?


<snipped>

In my opinion only -

EVERYTHING

and

ANYTHING

that they think has any potential to refute the notion that Ron is dipped in gold.

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm listening to Cobra on the radio. He said Crystal & Jr came to his motel room and that Jr went far away and got 2 bricks & propped open the motel room door. JMO

Jr did this out of habit -- something he sees all the time

Wow .. I hope LE knows all this

[titanfan217]

LOL -- your a football fan too then

(Or you watch DWTS)

I don't

(;

There's a team in Tennessee that has captured my interest. I also remember Sapp from NFL Network's 1st season.

DWTS ???

[TaraCrazyHair]

<snipped>

In my opinion only -

EVERYTHING

and

ANYTHING

that they think has any potential to refute the notion that Ron is dipped in gold.

JMO


Would there be any reason Ron would perpetrate the disappearance?

[seeker]

snipped for space

It has always bothered me the family said the wedding was something Haleigh wanted. I felt they were completely disrespecting Haleigh. I think it was right around 30 days after Haleigh went missing.

I hope you do not mind me asking Seeker and if you do not want to answer I do respect that also.

I have noticed a couple of times you have mentioned that Misty may have been a victim that night, do you have a theory about the night Haleigh disappeared and Misty being a victim that night? I do not see Misty as a victim as far as the night Haleigh disappeared so I am just curious about your thoughts.
Apple, I am not quite sure. Can I get back with you on that? I want to think it through some more.

[panache]

Why did Ron lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop and paint an elaborate picture of her jumping in his arms, etc?

[TaraCrazyHair]

There's a team in Tennessee that has captured my interest. I also remember Sapp from NFL Network's 1st season.

DWTS ???

Dancing With The Stars

(;

Sapp was on there with his light stepping (Not to bad actually)

Warren not Donald LOL

[titanfan217]

<bolding mine>

EXACTLY!!! It's what I've thought from the get-go, AC man possibly there, but not on date said, imo.


moo

Snipped

That would explain why he's been cleared.

[?noanswer]

Why did Ron lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop and paint an elaborate picture of her jumping in his arms, etc?

This is what Cobra says. Until Le verifies this, I will not not try to deciper it. JMO

[seeker]

If there is one thing I have learned in my years on this board and many cases is not to take anything to heart personally from other posters

There are three sides to every story and in the quest to find the third side, differences in opinion will occur
Thanks, Tara

This is a whole new experience and it is sometimes hard to know what "the rules" are and how to interact with people I don't know and can't see.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Why did Ron lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop and paint an elaborate picture of her jumping in his arms, etc?


Wasn't the jumping in his arms before he left for work not from the bus stop?

[titanfan217]

Dancing With The Stars

(;

Sapp was on there with his light stepping (Not to bad actually)

Warren not Donald LOL

Duh. Should have remembered, but don't watch it. My friend does. I tried it one time and last about 10 minutes.

[titanfan217]

This is what Cobra says. Until Le verifies this, I will not not try to deciper it. JMO

Supposedly the bus driver has said it. Does anyone remember hearing that he said anything different?

[Mel]

I'm watching JVM again from friday night.....and i found it odd when Crystal said " haleigh IF you are out there mommy loves you" .... What does IF mean?

i take it like "if" you can hear this...(radio?) or
.."if" you can see this...(TV?)..this was my first thought, anyway...i didn't think anything sinister about it

[Mimi428]

Maybe he is where the "dirty money" comes from?

Just going by my thoughts of dirty money/clean hands

I don't know that I think the money was 'dirty', per se.

I think I do have an idea of what he may mean by no clean hands.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#more-1970

Scroll down to post #294, which is the one purportedly written by Cobra.

He says 'this was cash money & only 3 people knew". I believe those people are

1) Cobra
2) Crystal
3) The Donor

If Cobra knows that there is a story roaming around that Crystal paid him her own money...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that he did not tell that story...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that the donor did not tell that story...

Then that leaves Crystal as the source.

I believe he may be saying that just like Ron & Teresa try to paint pictures than make Ron look like Daddy of the Year - by claiming Ron did nice things he didn't do & that Ron did not do some unpleasant things that others say he did - Crystal also has told her own tales that give the impression that it was her own money that went to pay Cobra (rather than donated money that she was simply handing over, per prior agreement).

(hope that makes sense)

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Apple, I am not quite sure. Can I get back with you on that? I want to think it through some more.


While I am not trying to answer for you, simply interjecting my opinion here ... I would like to add my thoughts

The ONLY way i can accept Misty as a victim is by those knowing her habits and drug use, the weekend she endured before Haleigh got "stolen" could play into somebody taking her and hoping LE looks solely at Misty as a dumb young child on drugs therefore anyone could have walked in and taken Haleigh while she laid passed out

And Misty having so many brain cells fried and not so smart to begin with would be told what happened and then it becomes her memory so to speak .. and that is why she can't tell a consistent story because she honestly can't remember

On that way of thinking ... Ron is involved, GGM is involved, GM is involved but what makes no sense is WHY?

Unless ... the unthinkable really happened

[seeker]

The only reason Cobra gave is he hasn't found any evidence of her being deceased.

Personally, I feel she was dead Feb 9th.

moo

Me, too. I really think that Cobra and others that have said this are doing it for no other reason than to keep people off kilter.

If we turn that around, what evidence is there that would lead anyone to believe that Haleigh is alive?

Just wondering and just my opinions

[diamond]

Right, which folds with LE being so hush/hush, keeping everything close to the vest, including the AC guy. This way, word doesn't get out that he wasn't even remotely close, which I think le has been fiercely trying to protect in order to keep Ron and Misty feeling extremely comfy and unaware.

moo

I agree.

It also sounded to me like there was already an investigation going on through the DFCS office. I am thinking there probably is something to the allegations of abuse in regard to a second injury after Haleigh fell at school and DFCS was investigating that as well as all the absences from school.