May 9 & May 10

[diamond]

Well he made me mad on that one. He called her an old woman. To paraphase a famous comedian "I resemble that remark". JMO

I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful way.

[panache]

I don't know that I think the money was 'dirty', per se.

I think I do have an idea of what he may mean by no clean hands.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#more-1970

Scroll down to post #294, which is the one purportedly written by Cobra.

He says 'this was cash money & only 3 people knew". I believe those people are

1) Cobra
2) Crystal
3) The Donor

If Cobra knows that there is a story roaming around that Crystal paid him her own money...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that he did not tell that story...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that the donor did not tell that story...

Then that leaves Crystal as the source.

I believe he may be saying that just like Ron & Teresa try to paint pictures than make Ron look like Daddy of the Year - by claiming Ron did nice things he didn't do & that Ron did not do some unpleasant things that others say he did - Crystal also has told her own tales that give the impression that it was her own money that went to pay Cobra (rather than donated money that she was simply handing over, per prior agreement).

(hope that makes sense)

JMO

Mimi

Did you listen to the broadcast? I didn't hear this part, but on another board I moniter they are saying Ron was seen drinking that afternoon and that is why Misty picked the kids up. He wasn't home, and not sober. Did you hear that?

[?noanswer]

I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful way.

I think he was trying to be "cute". He did admit that he wants a tv show. He is just trying to create a character for that show. JMO

[diamond]

Then there is is the story of Haleigh playing with the neighbors kids that day yet that came from Theresa not from the parent of the kids Haleigh played with

Always thought that was odd that the particular neighbor in unknown

Just the neighbor that was trying to say Haleigh would walk over after dark to talk ... which threw the monkey wrench into the fear of the dark

Exactly.

Which is why there is not an accurate time line from the time actual witnesses last saw Haleigh at 3PM when she got off the bus. Every thing after that time is what leads up to what happen to her.

[JackiBlu]

If it is true that Jr told him the cinder block is always there -- then we have the answer to why Ron (despite work verification) has not been cleared as a suspect

Interesting

I didn't hear Cobra say Jr told him about the cinder block; just that Jr propped open the hotel room with 2 bricks he found.

JMO

[seeker]

Gone Baby Gone

------

Or she really is dead


(moo)

I didn't see the movie or learn what the story was about. I better find out so I know what you're sayin' there, Tara

[panache]

I agree.

It also sounded to me like there was already an investigation going on through the DFCS office. I am thinking there probably is something to the allegations of abuse in regard to a second injury after Haleigh fell at school and DFCS was investigating that as well as all the absences from school.

Now I can tell what I long ago read/heard. The school did notify DCYF about haleigh's absences and they were about to start another investigation.

moo

[?noanswer]

Mimi

Did you listen to the broadcast? I didn't hear this part, but on another board I moniter they are saying Ron was seen drinking that afternoon and that is why Misty picked the kids up. He wasn't home, and not sober. Did you hear that?

That is the problem with trying to figure out what happened. There is so much information out there that is just plain rumor/lies. I will wait until LE releases their information to decide what I think happened. JMO

[Mimi428]

I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful way.

Who knows?

Personally, if it was my grandchild, I wouldn't give a fig whether he meant it with respect or disrespect as long as he was looking for my baby. He could call me everything but a child of God & it would be fine with me, if he was trying to figure out how my grandchild disappeared & where in the world she might be.

JMO

[Mel]

Cobra took Junior for ice cream and a swim in a pool one day, and says Junior told him the cinder block is always there in the screen door.

Ron asked him about the lock. Cobra said that lock being tampered would have made a lot of noise.

whoa!:read:

Ron didn't know where the cinder block came from..

[seeker]

Who was watching Jr when he took his little trip far away to retrieve bricks to prop open the motel room door? JMO

I'm lost. What do you mean?

[panache]

Bingo Diamond, DCF won't comment how many times or what it entailed, but during Misty's 5 short months living with them, at the very least DCF was called in one time, if not more. What would that file help to explain? Did it include Misty?

I don't believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her being a druggy and out all weekend. I firmly believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her covering her new hubby's behind as well as her own. No other explanation can cover why GGM and GM continue to praise her higher than any angel above and why Ronald, from the start, insisted Misty had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. One for all and all for one is the mentality being used here, imo.

moo

Also, If you remember, LE commented early in this case that they were familar with this address.

moo

[Mel]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/05/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Caylee-Anthony

You missed this interview. You can still listen to it.

thanks you!

[TaraCrazyHair]

I thought it was when he said he picked her up at the bus stop.

The last time Cummings saw Haleigh was when she got off the school bus Monday and gave him a kiss and a hug, he said.

"She said she'd see me when I got home."

Ok I found this ... so he did not pick her up and take her home himself, right?

Otherwise Haleigh would not have commented the way he said unless he dropped her off at the front door

[?noanswer]

I'm lost. What do you mean?

Cobra said he took Jr and CS to his motel. He said JR went a long way and got 2 bricks and brought them back and propped the motel door open. JMO

[seeker]

Donald Sapp is Misty's brother's wife's brother ... another registered SO

Which coincidently brings me to a post a read on another board long ago that stated it was not Cousin Joe at the home that afternoon, but Donald Sapp

I knew it sounded familiar!!!!!

Donald Sapp is the famous A/C guy?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Now I can tell what I long ago read/heard. The school did notify DCYF about haleigh's absences and they were about to start another investigation.

moo


Supposedly he was going to jail if she missed another day of school

[?noanswer]

Donald Sapp is the famous A/C guy?

The a/c man has never been identified. JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Donald Sapp is the famous A/C guy?


I don't think so -- but it was Sapp at the house that day not Joe

The argument, ect?

Maybe even the whole van story -- can't remember

[diamond]

Bingo Diamond, DCF won't comment how many times or what it entailed, but during Misty's 5 short months living with them, at the very least DCF was called in one time, if not more. What would that file help to explain? Did it include Misty?

I don't believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her being a druggy and out all weekend. I firmly believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her covering her new hubby's behind as well as her own. No other explanation can cover why GGM and GM continue to praise her higher than any angel above and why Ronald, from the start, insisted Misty had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. One for all and all for one is the mentality being used here, imo.

moo

Combine an open DFCS case with the comment made early on that if Haleigh missed any more school Ron would go to jail and you can see where Cobra's thinking is that Haleigh is hidden with family. And it all boils down to protecting Ron.
That was my first theory about what happen to Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

Combine an open DGCS case with the comment made early on that if Haleigh missed any more school Ron would go to jail and you can see where Cobra's thinking is that Haleigh is hidden with family. And it all boils down to protecting Ron.
That was my first theory about what happen to Haleigh.

That doesn't make sense to me. If they hid her out, she would miss more school. JMO

[panache]

That is the problem with trying to figure out what happened. There is so much information out there that is just plain rumor/lies. I will wait until LE releases their information to decide what I think happened. JMO

Oh I don't know about that. I think Cobra is uncovering what LE has long known. I still say that LE only accounts for Ron working 8 hours at PDF. The other hours could explain him being late to work, or left early.

moo

[diamond]

That doesn't make sense to me. If they hid her out, she would miss more school. JMO

Right, but as a "missing" child and those days wouldn't count.

When does school end for summer in Satsuma?

[TaraCrazyHair]

That doesn't make sense to me. If they hid her out, she would miss more school. JMO

Well, technically, not if she was "stolen"


Have her teachers talked about Haleigh on that last day of school?

Her demeanor, ect?

[seeker]

Cobra said that he talked to the bus driver and it was Misty that picked Haleigh up from the bus stop on Monday, Feb. 09, 2009 at 3PM
So now we know Ron and his mother both lied about it. What else are they lying about? I mean, if they will lie about something that simple, what else are they lying about.

He also said that the last verification of people seeing Haleigh is at 3PM by five people including the bus driver. When asked about Mrs. Sykes seeing Haleigh at 7PM Cobra said that is what she says. He does not believe she ever went by there.
Neither do I.

Finally. When a coherent story can't be told, or won't be told, it is usually a LIE. I completely agree with you, Diamond. When people are willing to lie about little things; simple, verifiable things, it shows a lack of something...and not only a lack of truthfulness, in my humble opinion.

Violence and dishonesty breed chaos and confusion, but with patience the TRUTH can be set free.

It seems that it is finally happening.

my thoughts on this.

[seeker]

I am sorry --- you totally and completely lost me?

(It has been a very long depressing day so I am sure it is my fault I am not understanding)

:confused:

Tara,

So sorry that you have had a long, depressing day. My thoughts are with you tonight.

[seeker]

I'm listening to Cobra on the radio. He said Crystal & Jr came to his motel room and that Jr went far away and got 2 bricks & propped open the motel room door. JMO

Is this precious child trying to tell his mommy and Cobra something? Poor little guy. I wonder how badly Crystal just wants to take off with her little boy and not return him to Ron. Her patience and goodness will win out, I believe and Junior will be home forever with his mommy.

my thoughts and hopes

[TaraCrazyHair]

Finally. When a coherent story can't be told, or won't be told, it is usually a LIE. I completely agree with you, Diamond. When people are willing to lie about little things; simple, verifiable things, it shows a lack of something...and not only a lack of truthfulness, in my humble opinion.

Violence and dishonesty breed chaos and confusion, but with patience the TRUTH can be set free.

It seems that it is finally happening.

my thoughts on this.

But why lie and steal your own child?

That is what makes no sense

For donation money? Prison is not worth it

I would have to go back to one of my first thoughts and something happened to her that worsened as the night went on ..

Delayed head injury type thing

But to involve so many family members who loved her in a cover-up for precious Ron makes absolutely no sense

None at all

He would have to have a real stranglehold going on and I just do not see that

[Mel]

But why lie and steal your own child?

That is what makes no sense

For donation money? Prison is not worth it

I would have to go back to one of my first thoughts and something happened to her that worsened as the night went on ..

Delayed head injury type thing

But to involve so many family members who loved her in a cover-up for precious Ron makes absolutely no sense

None at all

He would have to have a real stranglehold going on and I just do not see that

i agree with all of the above...

(still listening to the interview)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara,

So sorry that you have had a long, depressing day. My thoughts are with you tonight.



You are too sweet .. thank you

It will pass by tomorrow morning

Mother's Day is just a hard day for far too many people including myself

I guess that is why I really feel for others as well as myself today

[panache]

This is cousin Joe
Misty's Mom and his Mom are sisters.
Misty's mom and dad once made the allegation that he had something to do with Haleigh's abduction.
When he was visiting Patulak, he stayed with a Cummings family member.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970

[Mel]

Oh I don't know about that. I think Cobra is uncovering what LE has long known. I still say that LE only accounts for Ron working 8 hours at PDF. The other hours could explain him being late to work, or left early.
moo

exactly....i think you're probably right

[seeker]

I'm watching JVM again from friday night.....and i found it odd when Crystal said " haleigh IF you are out there mommy loves you" .... What does IF mean?

I believe it means that Crystal doesn't think her daughter is alive. I think she has felt that her daughter was gone from this world very early on.

my thoughts on this

[TaraCrazyHair]

This is cousin Joe
Misty's Mom and his Mom are sisters.
Misty's mom and dad once made the allegation that he had something to do with Haleigh's abduction.
When he was visiting Patulak, he stayed with a Cummings family member.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=380818970


Except according to other reports it was not Joe but actually was Donald

That name was not pulled out thin air back then ... and now we hear something about him from Cobra so it coincides

All too weird

Maybe too weird for me tonight

[panache]

More about Cousin Joe.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-02-22/story/tennessee_cousin_not_a_suspect_in_the_case

[TaraCrazyHair]

exactly....i think you're probably right


LE did say they are satisfied with his account from work

I would say it safe to say he was "I dunno I was at work"

before work, during work and after work obviously is not safe to say because he is not cleared

Just he was "at work" in the physical sense

Maybe not so solid of an alibi short of the time clock

heck, he repeats it often enough

[seeker]

Why did Ron lie about picking Haleigh up at the bus stop and paint an elaborate picture of her jumping in his arms, etc?

Because Ron has been taught to Lie and to Fabricate and has gotten away with it for so long that he doesn't know that thee are people who see through his transparency and who won't put up with it.

He is probably in a state of great anxiety as he and his family realize that they may control those around them, but the people who are now delving into Haleigh's disappearance are not anyone they've ever dealt with before.

My opinions and thoughts on this.

[Mel]

wow, the part about all the witnesses that say Ronald didn't pick Haleigh up at the bus stop, including the bus driver...Misty did

i've always thought no one saw that child after she got off the bus, other than R & M (& jr)
...someone here said that Cobra is probably releasing info that LE already knows...i think that's probably true

[Mel]

LE did say they are satisfied with his account from work

I would say it safe to say he was "I dunno I was at work"

before work, during work and after work obviously is not safe to say because he is not cleared

Just he was "at work" in the physical sense

Maybe not so solid of an alibi short of the time clock

heck, he repeats it often enough

ain't that the truth!

[seeker]

Wasn't the jumping in his arms before he left for work not from the bus stop?

He stated he picked her up from the bus stop, she jumped in his arms, and then he dropped her off at home and went to work.

Pretty sure that's how the story went, per Ron.

my opinion

[Mel]

where is Cobra talking at?

here...a replay of the interview

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett/2009/05/10/Haleigh-Cummings-Caylee-Anthony

[Mel]

I know Crystal and Chad had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, however I do find it hard to believe that (per the radio blog interview/Art Harris) they have not conducted a formal interview with either Crystal or Chad. Art said they may do it down the line, seems hinky. 3 months later? I think that would be a trump card for the defense down the road....maybe, depending.

moo

i think it shows LE aren't really interested in Chad & Crystal...as far as a suspect....IMO they've been polygraphed & 'passed'

they've talked to both of them, but not in the "formal" sense he said, whereas Misty has been interviewed 10 times

[panache]

Thank you so much for the updates - I started listening and my phone kept ringing so I missed some of it.

I am probably the only person on the board that doesn't know the answer to this question, but I am going to ask anyway.

Who is Reverend Grund?....is that the Paster that used to talk on TV about Ron?...the one that would not let Ron and Misty get married at his church?

If not, can someone please tell me who this man is?

Rev Grund is affliated with the Casey Anthony case thru his son. Casey and his son were once engaged. The Anthony's attempted to blame Rev. Grund's son as the person who killed Caylee.

He has a blog...Interesting man. Google his name. Rev. Richard Grund.

[Riverwalk!]

Donald Sapp is Misty's brother's wife's brother ... another registered SO

Which coincidently brings me to a post a read on another board long ago that stated it was not Cousin Joe at the home that afternoon, but Donald Sapp

I knew it sounded familiar!!!!!

Incorrect. He is not related to Misti's sister in law. I have the records from paid websites and cannot post them, but believe what you want.

[Mel]

Right. But I'm insinuating the legalities of it when trial time finally arrives. Kwim?

moo

yes..good point, viking

dang..i think i've missed the part about Donald Sapp:scared:
was this near the end of the interview???

[diamond]

I know Crystal and Chad had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, however I do find it hard to believe that (per the radio blog interview/Art Harris) they have not conducted a formal interview with either Crystal or Chad. Art said they may do it down the line, seems hinky. 3 months later? I think that would be a trump card for the defense down the road....maybe, depending.

moo

I don't think Crystal and Chad had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance either.

It could be that LE are so familiar with Ron and Misty they did not feel it was necessary to formally interview or investigate Crystal and Chad considering Haleigh disappeared from Ron's home on Misty's watch. If that is even true. Ron and Misty have told so many lies already and the more information that is released the more lies we hear about.

[Mel]

but you don't think they should at least check out their house?

i don't know that they haven't..

[panache]

yes..good point, viking

dang..i think i've missed the part about Donald Sapp:scared:
was this near the end of the interview???

It just was on.

[panache]

right...plus other witnesses at the bus stop (other parents, i take it)

Cobra says 5 witness's.

[panache]

More about Donald Sapp here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T4M811EB7J5FLGJ0S/p12

[Mel]

What is that noise in the background? Sometimes I hear laughing, sometimes whispering/talking. Maybe just poor quality, I have the headphones on, so I'm hearing it all. It sounds like the two interviewers are talking while Art and Cobra are giving answers.

Art Harris saying le is focused on Misty and circle like a laser beam. Interesting stuff, thanks for posting the link panache.

moo

i'm getting that too...i think it's lagging of some kind

[seeker]

Bingo Diamond, DCF won't comment how many times or what it entailed, but during Misty's 5 short months living with them, at the very least DCF was called in one time, if not more. What would that file help to explain? Did it include Misty?

I don't believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her being a druggy and out all weekend. I firmly believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her covering her new hubby's behind as well as her own. No other explanation can cover why GGM and GM continue to praise her higher than any angel above and why Ronald, from the start, insisted Misty had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. One for all and all for one is the mentality being used here, imo.

moo

We are on the same page, Viking. It is the only thing, in my opinion, that makes any sense.

[diamond]

More about Donald Sapp here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T4M811EB7J5FLGJ0S/p12

How is Donald Sapp connected? Who is he related too?

[Mel]

WOW WOW and WOW!!!!
Right on Cobra!

All this time people thought it was KP who brought in Cobra. Mr. Grund is the one who brought in Cobra and Cobra is the one who brought in KP to help further his investigation! WOO HOO!
Dang that guy is slick!

I'm glad to hear some positive information. I want to believe what Cobra believes and that is that Haleigh is still alive. I pray that is true. Sad to say I am concerned that it isn't and I guess I should stop talking like that. Thing is if it is found that she is no longer with us I think it would hit me like a ton of bricks.
I also agree about what he says about bloggers. I've sensed that more than once in certain groups that I've been following.

Art Harris and Cobra are giving me a lot of hope with what they are doing and I just thank our maker that these guys are there doing what they do!

(I am typing as I am listening to the show.)

PS The host sure does laugh funny. I think I'd bust out laughing just because if I heard him anywhere laughing LOLOL!

me too, & i've GOT to stop, lol...i'm missing info:ohmy:
started it over, to soak it all in

eta...& i agree about the way the guy laughs, lol

[Mel]

her lawyer told JVM they have not been to Crystals house and searched it.

then it's more reason for me to assume LE isn't interested in them, as suspects..

[panache]

How is Donald Sapp connected? Who is he related too?

This should help. Quite a history.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4570.0

[diamond]

Oh would I love to go out to memaws with Cobra and Art. Cobra has me cracking up right now, right before the bump lock talk. And oh, what a bump lock talk they have. Cobra is saying how loud it is to bump lock and that Ronald pulled him aside one day and asked Cobra if he knew anything about the bump locks, Cobra said he sure did as he is a locksmith. Ronald says that's how the breakin was done, with bumplocking both locks and Cobra just laughs saying "they didn't bump lock the doors (cussing) why didn't they just come through the front door" and laughs hard, lmao.

moo

What is bump lock?

[Mel]

LOL....Mel you just don't get it. Doesn't matter if they LE assume she's not involved they still should check out EVERYONE.

lol, yes FA...i get it

if LE hasn't been inside of Crystal's home, i trust that LE has a reason for not doing so..they've verified her whereabouts the night of Haleigh's disappearance, ( & i'm not going into all that with you again) she's been polygraphed & interviewed....that tells me, there's no reason to go search her home....don't you think LE knows a lot more than 'we' do, & they're keeping some things close to the vest?.......i do

[titanfan217]

Bingo Diamond, DCF won't comment how many times or what it entailed, but during Misty's 5 short months living with them, at the very least DCF was called in one time, if not more. What would that file help to explain? Did it include Misty?

I don't believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her being a druggy and out all weekend. I firmly believe Misty's inconsistencies lie with her covering her new hubby's behind as well as her own. No other explanation can cover why GGM and GM continue to praise her higher than any angel above and why Ronald, from the start, insisted Misty had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance. One for all and all for one is the mentality being used here, imo.

moo


Just a question/thought.

Since we really haven't heard anything of GGM and GM in quite a while, wonder what tunes they are singing about MC now?

Hey I liked my current DIL when they first got married. That lasted less than one month.

[diamond]

I can be thick headed sometimes...lol..but, with you and everyone else's help tonight I think I have finially got it. Thank you!

Oh, except for one thing - why is Cobra upset with Crystal then? At least I am taking it that he is upset with Crystal over this.

Who knows. Maybe in the next interview he will tell more about why.

[diamond]

I don't know, but I am starting get even more concerned about little Haleigh.

Do you or anyone think LE would intentionally put FALSE HOPE out there that Haleigh could be alive?

No. LE will consider her alive until they have evidence that she is not. So far they have not found any evidence that she is deceased. No blood or anything at the crime scene.

[titanfan217]

I caught that also because we were just discussing GGS.

Didn't know there were 2 of them in this soap opera.

[titanfan217]

then it's more reason for me to assume LE isn't interested in them, as suspects..

At least they don't think there's any evidence there.

[Mel]

At least they don't think there's any evidence there.

right...that's how i see it also, Titan (am a Titan fan too:smile:)

[Mel]

Mel, you have no proof they've verified Crystal's whereabouts that night and you know it.

I wonder if they have checked the both grandmothers houses. I would think they would want to search every where but hey maybe i'm wrong.

MOO

okie dokie:read:

[diamond]

but how would they know since they haven't checked. IMO the LE and FBI have failed Haleigh.

They must have reason for not checking. Especially the FBI. The only logical explanation is that LE and the FBI know who to focus on.

[titanfan217]

Mel, you have no proof they've verified Crystal's whereabouts that night and you know it.

I wonder if they have checked the both grandmothers houses. I would think they would want to search every where but hey maybe i'm wrong.

MOO


If either of my grandsons were missing, I'd be checking my house or probably my truck first. Knowing those 2, they'd be like the little guy from Missouri and heading this way.

OT good news.. Read that the little guy in Missouri was released from the hospital. Bet there was a big party waiting for him.

[Mel]

Actually we really don't know that. Just because LE hasn't "released" any information regarding Crystal's whereabouts does not mean that the LE doesn't have that information.
It's also possible that LE has evidence that they are not releasing to the public. Evidence that would possibly be the reason they are not looking in her direction AT ALL.
It's possible. We just don't know and it is driving everyone up a wall I know, but honestly, I doubt they are being unprofessional about how they are handeling things considering the amount of public attention this case has gotten and considering there are outside investigators looking into this case as well.
JMO

thank you!

the reason FA is so ah, 'upset' over this is...i read an article very early on that mentioned it was verified that Haleigh's mother was over 100 miles away, the night Haleigh disappeared...that simple...FA wants a link...the link isn't on this site, per FA herself (FA has read every single link here & says it isn't here)....for all i know, i read it from SM, WS, JQ or god only knows what site/link the article was on, but i read it...it was early on about the same time they cleared the AC man....it never stated where she was, but that she was over 100 miles away....

i'm not going to discuss this with FA anymore..she wants a link; she can't find it, but it was reported..

[seeker]

But why lie and steal your own child?

That is what makes no sense

For donation money? Prison is not worth it

I would have to go back to one of my first thoughts and something happened to her that worsened as the night went on ..

Delayed head injury type thing

But to involve so many family members who loved her in a cover-up for precious Ron makes absolutely no sense

None at all

He would have to have a real stranglehold going on and I just do not see that

I don't for one minute believe she was "stole." I don't believe the family concocted a plan to hide her away.

I believe she died on Feb.9 ore early Feb.10th and that this is very poor cover up of that crime. The only concocting going on is the family trying to keep up with all their lies and trying to stay ahead of the investigations. I don't think any perceptive law enforcement officer or investigator ever believed Haleigh was abducted, but this is just my opinion.

my thoughts

[Mel]

I agree, I don't think Crystal or Chad had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing, but- if LE did not do a search and formal interview in the very beginning I think a DA would have a field day with that.

i agree, but i have to believe that LE has covered all bases, though....at least for now, anyway

[Lovethechild]

thank you!

the reason FA is so ah, 'upset' over this is...i read an article very early on that mentioned it was verified that Haleigh's mother was over 100 miles away, the night Haleigh disappeared...that simple...FA wants a link...the link isn't on this site, per FA herself (FA has read every single link here & says it isn't here)....for all i know, i read it from SM, WS, JQ or god only knows what site/link the article was on, but i read it...it was early on about the same time they cleared the AC man....it never stated where she was, but that she was over 100 miles away....

i'm not going to discuss this with FA anymore..she wants a link; she can't find it, but it was reported..

Don't let it get to you, Mel. Same ole song and dance.:smile:

[diamond]

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=halei

Please light a candle to shine for Haleigh.

Prayers for Haleigh.

[Mimi428]

I can be thick headed sometimes...lol..but, with you and everyone else's help tonight I think I have finially got it. Thank you!

Oh, except for one thing - why is Cobra upset with Crystal then? At least I am taking it that he is upset with Crystal over this.

I have not listened to the radio interviews & I do not read other message boards, so my interpretation may be way off. I got the impression that the 'word on the street' or the rumors on message boards - or whatever you want to call it is that Crystal has PAID COBRA with her OWN money.

This is what I wrote to Tara earlier about why Cobra may have made the remark about how no one has clean hands. You will have to go to Art Harris' website to read the remarks that Cobra made - I cannot cut & paste them here.

I don't know that I think the money was 'dirty', per se.

I think I do have an idea of what he may mean by no clean hands.


http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/...ude/#more-1970

Scroll down to post #294, which is the one purportedly written by Cobra.

He says "this was cash money & only 3 people knew".

I believe those people are:

1) Cobra
2) Crystal
3) The Donor

If Cobra knows that there is a story roaming around that Crystal paid him her own money...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that he did not tell that story...

And if Cobra knows with certainty that the donor did not tell that story...

Then that leaves Crystal as the source.

I believe he may be saying that just like Ron & Teresa try to paint pictures that make Ron look like Daddy of the Year - by claiming Ron did nice things he didn't do & that Ron did not do some unpleasant things that others say he did - Crystal also has told her own tales that give the impression that it was her own money that went to pay Cobra (rather than donated money that she was simply handing over, per prior agreement).

(hope that makes sense)

JMO

[Mel]

Don't let it get to you, Mel. Same ole song and dance.:smile:

LOL, no kidding!!

BUT...this is probably the closest thing i'm going to find, related to this....

4th page of this forum, 1st thread at the bottom, post #34

sun sentinel doesn't 'keep' old links, unless you want to pay to download them, but this is the closest thing i can find that relates to what i read about LE knowing where Crystal was that night...

WHEW!....i'm done with searching old links, :laugh:

[aproudmom]

No. LE will consider her alive until they have evidence that she is not. So far they have not found any evidence that she is deceased. No blood or anything at the crime scene.

ITA they did that in the Sandra Cantu case they kept saying they felt she was alive they had nothing telling them she was no anything but alive,..and sure everyone knows that was not right..

[Mimi428]

I don't know, but I am starting get even more concerned about little Haleigh.

Do you or anyone think LE would intentionally put FALSE HOPE out there that Haleigh could be alive?

I guess it depends on each person's definition of "false hope".

Frankly, there is nothing that LE says that 'gives me hope' for one outcome or another. I think that may be just a specific & personal quirk of my own. I don't 'lose hope' either, for that matter. The hopes that I entertain are that LE will SOLVE the case. Whether anyone is alive or dead is more than likely not going to be determined by LE & it surely won't be determined by what I want or any personal preference I have.

I have every confidence that the LE personnel, whether on the state, federal or local level know how to conduct an investigation & have conducted a good investigation. If they say they have no indication Haleigh is not alive, it could simply mean that they have not found a bloody awful mess somewhere.

Consider, for example, the trunk of Casey Anthony's car - in that instance, it would seem more than a bit farfetched to think there was NO indication Caylee was dead.

But this case does not have something like that (insofar as we know). So when I hear someone say they have no indication that Haleigh is not alive, to me it only means they have not found something like bloody clothes, vehicle indicating Haleigh was in it & also indicating decomposition, etc.

JMO

[aproudmom]

More about Donald Sapp here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/south-florida-sun-sentinel/T4M811EB7J5FLGJ0S/p12

OK I am totally lost I read all the comments on this link..is this someone who was for sure at the home at one point??this case is so hard to keep up with no wonder this child is still missing..

[Mimi428]

OK, that make since to me, but then that brings me back to the dumpster search. I know I am not an expert, but I still feel that was not handled very professionally.

I don't think we know with specificity how that was handled. I think it was last week that somebody or another with LE made a statement that attempted to clarify just how WELL that dumpster was actually checked - & they indicated that from the very first, ALL dumpsters within a specific radius of the house were sent to one location - not the same as where all the dumpsters usually go.

I think it is possible that the dogs did hit on the smell of decomposition - but for all we know, 2 months before that dumpster was delivered to the construction site it had been at a site where they had to remove furniture, bedding, carpeting or something like that after someone had died. People DO die every day, after all - & some die in their homes or in motels, etc.

JMO

[aproudmom]

OK, that make since to me, but then that brings me back to the dumpster search. I know I am not an expert, but I still feel that was not handled very professionally.

I have to agree with you on that one..very unprofessional IMO

[aproudmom]

I don't think we know with specificity how that was handled. I think it was last week that somebody or another with LE made a statement that attempted to clarify just how WELL that dumpster was actually checked - & they indicated that from the very first, ALL dumpsters within a specific radius of the house were sent to one location - not the same as where all the dumpsters usually go.

I think it is possible that the dogs did hit on the smell of decomposition - but for all we know, 2 months before that dumpster was delivered to the construction site it had been at a site where they had to remove furniture, bedding, carpeting or something like that after someone had died. People DO die every day, after all - & some die in their homes or in motels, etc.

JMO

thanks that makes since I just did not like the way they were removing and throwing stuff out of it..and allowing the cameras to roll I was so afraid they were going to find that little girl I finally had to turn the channel

[aproudmom]

Try this link...

http://www.artharris.com/2009/05/05/haleigh-cummings-daddys-girl-got-attitude/#more-1970

This should take you to the Art Harris website & the article entitled Haleigh Cummings: Daddy’s Girl Got Attitude!

As I type this, there are 377 comments that follow that article - scroll down to comment #294, which is purported to be written by Cobra - this is part of what he says...

Two, Crystal never paid 800.00 to me.

You will have to read the rest of it for yourself, Mr Harris has mentioned more than once that he gets pretty unhappy when comments are taken in their entirely from his website & pasted on other websites.

JMO

ok Mimi
Is he talking about money to bail out those girls..and noticed he sure types better than he talks..lol..J/K I am so lost here to me it sounds like he is saying CS and the HB center did not do anything wrong or maybe I am missing something..some he says have dirty hands and some clean hands..:confused:

[aproudmom]

I did not know LE done that in Sandra Cantu's case. Thanks for letting me know.

oh yeah they did up till the time they found her little body..:crying:
they would just say they had no evidence pointing to her being dead and had a feeling she was alive and as we know she was before 911 was even called

[aproudmom]

Let me know if you are still online and I will try to find the page the Cobra and AH interview is on.

I can tell you this much - Cobra say's he has 5 witness's that say Misty picked up Haleigh that day from the bus stop.

Cobra did not come out and say it - but, I got the feeling that Cobra does not believe GGS was there and I think some other people on here also got that feeling.

Oh gosh, I am still letting the Crystal and Cobra information sink into my head. I hope someone else can help you with that. Well, somewher on here there are some great explanations from other posters.

apple from early on I had been bashed by so many posters cause I did not think GGS was there or if she was it was not at that time..thank you for explaining it to me..but would not surprise me and I have stayed very neutral and tried to wait for judgement but it is getting out of control it is like a Jerry Springer show not a missing child case...jmo

[aproudmom]

Mimi - I do understand what you are saying, but didn't a LE officer come out about two weeks ago and say their was a possibility that Haliegh was still alive?

I know I read it somewhere, but at the same time I could have misunderstood the LE officer. I wish I could remember where I read it and I would place a link and see how you or anyone else would take what the LE officer said.

I know I had lost hope from the very beginning as far as haleigh being alive, but something that I read started giving me hope that I was wrong.

apple I did not read that but they talked about it on JVM and I think NG so not sure if that is were you heard it or not..but they IMO can not say that if they knew were that child was or had a idea they sure would not come out and say it they would not want to let anyone know they may be closing in on them and then something happen to her..IMO I got to agree with Mimi..

[aproudmom]

I guess it depends on each person's definition of "false hope".

Frankly, there is nothing that LE says that 'gives me hope' for one outcome or another. I think that may be just a specific & personal quirk of my own. I don't 'lose hope' either, for that matter. The hopes that I entertain are that LE will SOLVE the case. Whether anyone is alive or dead is more than likely not going to be determined by LE & it surely won't be determined by what I want or any personal preference I have.

I have every confidence that the LE personnel, whether on the state, federal or local level know how to conduct an investigation & have conducted a good investigation. If they say they have no indication Haleigh is not alive, it could simply mean that they have not found a bloody awful mess somewhere.

Consider, for example, the trunk of Casey Anthony's car - in that instance, it would seem more than a bit farfetched to think there was NO indication Caylee was dead.

But this case does not have something like that (insofar as we know). So when I hear someone say they have no indication that Haleigh is not alive, to me it only means they have not found something like bloody clothes, vehicle indicating Haleigh was in it & also indicating decomposition, etc.

JMO

Mimi that was a good post I still have hope but like you said they IMO say that cause they have nothing pointing to her being dead such as Caylee A. I pray no matter what they solve this and bring Haleigh home this has been a very hard case to follow but I will keep the HOPE alive but at this point and this amount of time..I am alittle worried someone is not just out there hiding her..:crying:

[aproudmom]

OK just reading all the comments on Arts site gave me a huge headache...how anyone can keep up with this whole circus I have no clue...:tongueside: