Friday May 8th

[bookie]

Since the topic is coming up again I'm posting this again and also posted it on the link thread. Here is the clip of Teresa Neves on Nancy Grace on 2/17. Near the end you can clearly hear her say her son picked Haeligh up from the bus stop. The transcript on NG's site is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI

[JackiBlu]

Good Morning everyone. Thanks for the new thread Bookie. Also, thanks for finding the video showing exactly what was said.

My post I made last night about Haleigh's hand in bandages and it was due to a condition caused by Turners Syndrome. Not abuse by Ron or Misty as was suggested by some when that photo came out. I didn't get one reply to my post. Guess if something proves no abuse by Ron or Misty it doesn't matter; but hey I should know that by now.

Praying for you Haleigh, time to come home beautiful little girl!!!!



JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Hi all. I haven't been keeping up with the case but I have a question.

Bubba the Love Sponge was bashing Ron on the radio this morning. {He's a self proclaimed equal opportunity arse hole} I didn't hear the whole thing. Was only in my car long enough to move it so Mr. Gator could get out.

He said something about a house being empty. That someone went by and nobody was there. Was he talking about Ron? Did Ron move out of the trailer where Haleigh disappeared? TIA

[Motomom]

Good Morning everyone. Thanks for the new thread Bookie. Also, thanks for finding the video showing exactly what was said.

My post I made last night about Haleigh's hand in bandages and it was due to a condition caused by Turners Syndrome. Not abuse by Ron or Misty as was suggested by some when that photo came out. I didn't get one reply to my post. Guess if something proves no abuse by Ron or Misty it doesn't matter; but hey I should know that by now.

Praying for you Haleigh, time to come home beautiful little girl!!!!



JMO

Jacki thank you for posting that information. I had thought about that or something similiar was posted early on.

[Motomom]

Hi all. I haven't been keeping up with the case but I have a question.

Bubba the Love Sponge was bashing Ron on the radio this morning. {He's a self proclaimed equal opportunity arse hole} I didn't hear the whole thing. Was only in my car long enough to move it so Mr. Gator could get out.

He said something about a house being empty. That someone went by and nobody was there. Was he talking about Ron? Did Ron move out of the trailer where Haleigh disappeared? TIA

Yes, he moved out, the trailer sits empty waiting for new renters. There was a report posted yesterday that Ron stopped back there.

[Motomom]

Jacki, just how are the bandaged hands connected to Turners?

At the end of last nights thread jacki posted some links about it.

[msgatorslayer]

he moved out a long time ago and it is currently for rent for $600 per month, I believe all the appliances are included

Thank you for your response.

Is he still close by though?

[msgatorslayer]

Yes, he moved out, the trailer sits empty waiting for new renters. There was a report posted yesterday that Ron stopped back there.

Maybe thats why the story was being discussed on the radio this morning. Like I said, I only heard like 30 seconds of it before it went to commerical, lol.

Thanks

[JackiBlu]

Jacki, just how are the bandaged hands connected to Turners?

I left links to that on my post last night. It's a condition called Lymphedema and is linked in 70% of Turner Syndrome cases.

If you want I can go find my post and repost it; it has the links that explain the condition.

[JackiBlu]

yes I believe he's fairly close by, but I have no personal confirmation on where he is staying now, only heresay......unless someone posted a link to an article I didn't see the past few days which is entirely possible

Ron, Misty and JR are staying with greatgrandma Sykes. I believe it is approximately 8-12 miles from where he lived when Haleigh went missing.

[msgatorslayer]

yes I believe he's fairly close by, but I have no personal confirmation on where he is staying now, only heresay......unless someone posted a link to an article I didn't see the past few days which is entirely possible

Moving out of there was a good thing.

I wish there were more leads in the case. It's about cold now. No idea where Haleigh may be.

Last weekend, I had outta town company. Including my BFF's mom who drove from J'Ville. Picking up her Grand Son who lives like 5 minutes away from the Cumming's. He's a young man and said he along with his friends think that if Haleigh is dead, a good spot to get rid of her body is a lake there in the area which is filled with gators.:sad:

[JackiBlu]

Thanks! I'll google.....BRB

X here are the links that I found.

http://www.lymphnotes.com/article.php/id/154/

Lymphedema is present in about 70% of those with TS and the hands and feet are most commonly affected. This form of lymphedema is the result of the underdevelopment of the lymphatic system before birth. As the child matures, this swelling is managed using with the same treatment methods that are used to control other types of lymphedema.

http://www.altru.org/body.cfm?id=367

What are the Symptoms?
Swollen legs, ankles or arms
Heavy, tired, aching legs or arms
Burning, itching, or pain in extremities
Rapid increase in weight
Dry, flaky, and discolored skin
Clothing and shoes becomes tight
Inability to walk or move easily



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How does Treatment Help?
Reduces size of affected area
Reduces likelihood of infections
Improves mobility
Offers the skills and knowledge to manage the condition and maintain everyday activity



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What if it is Left Untreated?
If left untreated it can make a person more susceptible to infections from simple insect bites, animal scratches or minor cuts. These serious infections can result in cellulitis or lymphangitis (infection of the skin). Also, limbs may become enlarged, impairing the ability to participate in work and daily activities.

Treatment includes:

Light massage
Compression
Skin care
Exercise
Patient education for on-going self management

__________________

[JackiBlu]

Maybe thats why the story was being discussed on the radio this morning. Like I said, I only heard like 30 seconds of it before it went to commerical, lol.

Thanks

I wonder if they could have been talking about the Haleighbug Center. It was posted yesterday that no one had been there for about 2 weeks.


JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I left links to that on my post last night. It's a condition called Lymphedema and is linked in 70% of Turner Syndrome cases.

If you want I can go find my post and repost it; it has the links that explain the condition.

Jacki, unfortunately you and Bookie will learn the hard way about trying to bring facts to the board.

You will see people swearing that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same thing, and that's simply not true IMO. But those who need to believe will continue to do so from what I've seen. The extremes they will go to are nothing short of remarkable, even acting as tho the typed transcript trumps the MOUTH MOVING saying otherwise. :rolleyes:

Then we can watch the twisting of a cafe meeting just because and suddenly it morphs into GGM Sykes kitchen to lend the suggestion of a bond between family and exploiters. JMOOC. :rolleyes:

This is a case where a need to believe seems to carry the day IMOO.

:wub:PLEASE BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS BACK TO HER FAMILY.

[CANDYKISSES]

Since the topic is coming up again I'm posting this again and also posted it on the link thread. Here is the clip of Teresa Neves on Nancy Grace on 2/17. Near the end you can clearly hear her say her son picked Haeligh up from the bus stop. The transcript on NG's site is wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODCZlzoZwI

Thank you bookie, the spoken word says it all for me. I can't see the need to continue with an error in the transcript. JMO tho. :sneaky:

[Motomom]

yes I believe he's fairly close by, but I have no personal confirmation on where he is staying now, only heresay......unless someone posted a link to an article I didn't see the past few days which is entirely possible

He's staying with GGM I believe. I'm not sure how close she is to the old place though. For some reason I think it is fairly close.

[Motomom]

I wonder if they could have been talking about the Haleighbug Center. It was posted yesterday that no one had been there for about 2 weeks.


JMO

I don't get that either. Was it all for show or what? JMO. There was that one guy that was there all the time in the beginning I think.. and now nobody.

[JackiBlu]

Jacki, unfortunately you and Bookie will learn the hard way about trying to bring facts to the board.

You will see people swearing that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same thing, and that's simply not true IMO. But those who need to believe will continue to do so from what I've seen. The extremes they will go to are nothing short of remarkable, even acting as tho the typed transcript trumps the MOUTH MOVING saying otherwise. :rolleyes:

Then we can watch the twisting of a cafe meeting just because and suddenly it morphs into GGM Sykes kitchen to lend the suggestion of a bond between family and exploiters. JMOOC. :rolleyes:

This is a case where a need to believe seems to carry the day IMOO.

:wub:PLEASE BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS BACK TO HER FAMILY.

ITA Candy. I just don't understand that hate for Ron; don't even know if hate is a strong enough word. I have never seen anything like this happen on a message board before. Even the Phil Spector board was bad for the ones against and the ones for but nothing like this. Sure would like to know where it comes from.

I don't believe JR. will be taken away from Ron and then whose fault will that be?

Like I had said about the oxycodene and the oxycontin that they are 2 totally different drugs. I have had two shoulder surgeries and take oxycodene, generic percocet, if the pain gets too bad. I know my Dr. would never give me the other stuff plus she knows I wouldn't take it.

With all that said I'm still going to defend Ron and Misty when there are just rumors and nothing more.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't get that either. Was it all for show or what? JMO. There was that one guy that was there all the time in the beginning I think.. and now nobody.

IIRC, The gentleman you are referring to was initially touted as a friend of Crystal Sheffield's but later as the story of the friends ring started slipping out, I think he was a commercial building architect from NY. I have forgotten his name. Then slowly the connections to Kim started coming out of the woodwork, such as the relative doing the first site asking for donations to take care of Junior and Chloe, and then someone else came forward and gave the site a makeover similar to the myspace accounts IMO.

Just a bit of cleaning up IMMHO. :thumbup: I am not a fan of the circus coming to town when a child is missing if there is A DRIVEN PURPOSE topping the help in locating the child. I stay committed to TES, The Carrington-Sund Foundation and a few others with honorable intent from my perspective. :smile:

[JackiBlu]

ah, thanks again! You are right on top of things this morning! Poor little baby, a heavy burden for a child so young.



I know it's so sad. It worries me that whoever has her isn't taking care of any of these conditions caused by Turners Syndrome. I pray that whoever has her is keeping her healthy. I know wishful thinking.

JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Jacki, unfortunately you and Bookie will learn the hard way about trying to bring facts to the board.

You will see people swearing that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same thing, and that's simply not true IMO. But those who need to believe will continue to do so from what I've seen. The extremes they will go to are nothing short of remarkable, even acting as tho the typed transcript trumps the MOUTH MOVING saying otherwise. :rolleyes:

Then we can watch the twisting of a cafe meeting just because and suddenly it morphs into GGM Sykes kitchen to lend the suggestion of a bond between family and exploiters. JMOOC. :rolleyes:

This is a case where a need to believe seems to carry the day IMOO.

:wub:PLEASE BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS BACK TO HER FAMILY.

I came over here the other night to try and find some updates, and the only thing I saw was a screaming poster out of control. I could not believe Haleigh's board had come to that. Each time I visit it seems to be about bashing Ron, so I'm assuming there is no news. So sad - I hope this does not fall into the Trenton Duckett category

I admire you for hanging in there Candy.

[Mimi428]

You will see people swearing that oxycodone and oxycontin are the same thing, and that's simply not true IMO.




<snipped>

They aren't the same thing? How do you figure?


http://www.rxlist.com/oxycontin-drug.htm

OXYCONTIN®
(oxycodone HCl) Controlled Release Tablets 10 mg 20 mg 40 mg 80 mg* 160 mg*

OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone hydrochloride

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA Candy. I just don't understand that hate for Ron; don't even know if hate is a strong enough word. I have never seen anything like this happen on a message board before. Even the Phil Spector board was bad for the ones against and the ones for but nothing like this. Sure would like to know where it comes from.

I don't believe JR. will be taken away from Ron and then whose fault will that be?

Like I had said about the oxycodene and the oxycontin that they are 2 totally different drugs. I have had two shoulder surgeries and take oxycodene, generic percocet, if the pain gets too bad. I know my Dr. would never give me the other stuff plus she knows I wouldn't take it.

With all that said I'm still going to defend Ron and Misty when there are just rumors and nothing more.

JMO

I can understand some of the venom we are seeing concerning Ron. He comes off as very rough around the edges and not exactly what you would desire your daughter bringing home to dinner. The 911 call was the first turn off, but I could have done that too. :blushing: That said, I can't understand the overlooking of Crystal's part in all of the past business leading up to this new and improved Crystal. I find both of them remiss in parenting and wouldn't be out there advocating for either as a parent, but those beautiful children are here and the situation is what it is at this time.

I do feel Kim and Company have worked hard to malign Ron even more with the wild accusations without proof to back them up, but that's just a hang up I have in this case.

I will accept whatever DCF comes up with and I fear it may not be favorable to either party, but as long as the children are protected and there is a watchful EYE present it's going to be on their watch for some time anyway. JMOOC.

I didn't doubt what you were stating about the RX meds and know there is a big difference in the prescribing practices here at any rate.

I think given the group effort to sanction and offer excuses for anything Crystal has ever done, it's only reasonable to make sure the information is correct when possible.

The court hearings have given us a bit to work with and then the various appearances offer additional CURRENT INFORMATION as well. There are no innocents in this case, other than the children and they must be protected at all costs IMO. :sad: I'll never understand putting Junior on FOX to allege he was a witness to a kidnapping and saw someone (even if they were covered in a dark color). JMO again.

Thanks for your input Jacki, I always look forward to reading your posts.

[Mimi428]

I left links to that on my post last night. It's a condition called Lymphedema and is linked in 70% of Turner Syndrome cases.

If you want I can go find my post and repost it; it has the links that explain the condition.

Lymphedema? I must have missed something major. Why do you believe she may have had lymphedema?

I don't think I have seen the pix you are referring to - & in a lot of pix Halegh's hands are not visible. I did find this one where her hands are visible - & it does not appear that her hands are swollen, much less any indication of lymphedema.

Do you know where the picture is that caused someone to think she may have lymphedema? TIA

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haleigh-cropped2.jpg

[Mimi428]

Here is another picture which shows Haleigh's hands. Where is the swelling? She does not appear to have edema, much less lymphedema.

http://www.mytvjax.com/mostpopular/story/New-Details-Emerge-In-Haleigh-Cummings/SKWv4u_xyUSGnQiDvzkemQ.cspx

[seeker]

Good Morning everyone. Thanks for the new thread Bookie. Also, thanks for finding the video showing exactly what was said.

My post I made last night about Haleigh's hand in bandages and it was due to a condition caused by Turners Syndrome. Not abuse by Ron or Misty as was suggested by some when that photo came out. I didn't get one reply to my post. Guess if something proves no abuse by Ron or Misty it doesn't matter; but hey I should know that by now.

Praying for you Haleigh, time to come home beautiful little girl!!!!



JMO

Good Morning,

Please tell us why Haleigh's hands were bandaged. I missed that last night. Please tell us how you know this to be a fact.

Thanks in advance

[JackiBlu]

<snipped>

They aren't the same thing? How do you figure?


http://www.rxlist.com/oxycontin-drug.htm

OXYCONTIN®
(oxycodone HCl) Controlled Release Tablets 10 mg 20 mg 40 mg 80 mg* 160 mg*

OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone hydrochloride

They are NOT the same. The oxycodone I take is generic for percocet. Here is the link.

http://www.medicinenet.com/oxycodone_and_acetaminophen/article.htm

oxycodone and acetaminophen Index Glossary


GENERIC NAME: oxycodone and acetaminophen
BRAND NAMES: Percocet, Roxicet, Tylox, Endocet
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Oxycodone is a narcotic analgesic (pain-reliever) and a cough suppressant that is similar to codeine and hydrocodone. The precise mechanism of pain relief by oxycodone and other narcotics is not known. Acetaminophen is a non-narcotic analgesic and antipyretic (fever reducer). Acetaminophen relieves pain by elevating the pain threshold. It reduces fever through its action on the heat-regulating center of the brain. The combination of oxycodone and acetaminophen achieves greater pain relief than either taken separately. For more information on acetaminophen, please see acetaminophen (Tylenol).

PRESCRIPTION: yes

GENERIC AVAILABLE: yes

PREPARATIONS: Tablet: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen; Capsule: 5mg oxycodone/500mg acetaminophen; Solution: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen per teaspoonful.

STORAGE: Store at room temperature, sealed, light- resistant container.

PRESCRIBED FOR: Oxycodone & acetaminophen is prescribed for the relief of moderate to moderately severe pain.

DOSING: The dose of oxycodone & acetaminophen is variable and depends on the needs of the patient and specific circumstances.


As you can see this comes in a 5mg dose. It also has acetaminophen in it.

[?noanswer]

Re the picture of Haleigh's bandaged hands. The other day I followed a link to some pictures and that picture was there. There were several other pictures of Haleigh & Jr at that playground. Haleigh had on the same clothes and her hands were not bandaged. I don't know if her hands were bandaged because of a problem or if someone was playing Dr. JMO

[JackiBlu]

Good Morning,

Please tell us why Haleigh's hands were bandaged. I missed that last night. Please tell us how you know this to be a fact.

Thanks in advance

Both of her hands were bandaged in a picture that was released by the media. The links for the condition caused by Turners Syndrome I posted above.

[Mimi428]

Mimi, the pics we are referring to are the ones where she is on a bench(?) and her hands are wrapped in gauze

I must have missed that one entirely. Do you recall which website had that picture?
TIA

[Motomom]

I can understand some of the venom we are seeing concerning Ron. He comes off as very rough around the edges and not exactly what you would desire your daughter bringing home to dinner. The 911 call was the first turn off, but I could have done that too. :blushing: That said, I can't understand the overlooking of Crystal's part in all of the past business leading up to this new and improved Crystal. I find both of them remiss in parenting and wouldn't be out there advocating for either as a parent, but those beautiful children are here and the situation is what it is at this time.

I do feel Kim and Company have worked hard to malign Ron even more with the wild accusations without proof to back them up, but that's just a hang up I have in this case.

I will accept whatever DCF comes up with and I fear it may not be favorable to either party, but as long as the children are protected and there is a watchful EYE present it's going to be on their watch for some time anyway. JMOOC.

I didn't doubt what you were stating about the RX meds and know there is a big difference in the prescribing practices here at any rate.

I think given the group effort to sanction and offer excuses for anything Crystal has ever done, it's only reasonable to make sure the information is correct when possible.

The court hearings have given us a bit to work with and then the various appearances offer additional CURRENT INFORMATION as well. There are no innocents in this case, other than the children and they must be protected at all costs IMO. :sad: I'll never understand putting Junior on FOX to allege he was a witness to a kidnapping and saw someone (even if they were covered in a dark color). JMO again.

Thanks for your input Jacki, I always look forward to reading your posts.


Candy..this was a very good post. I understand some of the venom too about Ron. I understand why some don't want to talk about Crystal because it wasn't her home that haleigh went missing from. However, when Crystal is discussed, it is mostly facts. When Ron is discussed it is alot of rumor/hearsay/interpretation of every move he makes.. That's ok, but yet not ok when we start discussing Crystals past, or even her interviews since this happened. God forbid we question the HB center too. Most of it though is just to start trouble IMO.. because I am normally very very civil with opposing views and when I offer up a possible explanation it turns into excuses.. So some people really aren't interested in the possibilities IMO. Instead they attempt to get the board shut down, or others banned. I don't understand it.

I hope Dyfs comes up with no abuse, because I would hate to think that these children were abused.

[Mimi428]

They are NOT the same. The oxycodone I take is generic for percocet. Here is the link.

http://www.medicinenet.com/oxycodone_and_acetaminophen/article.htm

oxycodone and acetaminophen Index Glossary


GENERIC NAME: oxycodone and acetaminophen
BRAND NAMES: Percocet, Roxicet, Tylox, Endocet
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Oxycodone is a narcotic analgesic (pain-reliever) and a cough suppressant that is similar to codeine and hydrocodone. The precise mechanism of pain relief by oxycodone and other narcotics is not known. Acetaminophen is a non-narcotic analgesic and antipyretic (fever reducer). Acetaminophen relieves pain by elevating the pain threshold. It reduces fever through its action on the heat-regulating center of the brain. The combination of oxycodone and acetaminophen achieves greater pain relief than either taken separately. For more information on acetaminophen, please see acetaminophen (Tylenol).

PRESCRIPTION: yes

GENERIC AVAILABLE: yes

PREPARATIONS: Tablet: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen; Capsule: 5mg oxycodone/500mg acetaminophen; Solution: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen per teaspoonful.

STORAGE: Store at room temperature, sealed, light- resistant container.

PRESCRIBED FOR: Oxycodone & acetaminophen is prescribed for the relief of moderate to moderately severe pain.

DOSING: The dose of oxycodone & acetaminophen is variable and depends on the needs of the patient and specific circumstances.


As you can see this comes in a 5mg dose. It also has acetaminophen in it.

You are referring to Percocet, which contains oxycodone & acetaminophen

I was referring to OxyContin - see the post from Candy saying OxyContin is not oxycodone. OxyContin is the time-released form of oxycodone.

Ever hear the expression "All apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples"?

All OxyContin are oxycodone, but not all oxycodone is Oxycontin.

CWIM?

[CANDYKISSES]

Did yall read TJH's new post?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


Things are sounding good. :thumbsup:

It does represent a change in tone for TJ, but he doesn't carry much weight with me FA. I hope Greenwood takes a look to make sure nothing is misconstrued.

I am intrigued about the couple and the monkey, but I'm thinking if something like that happened we might have been hearing little leaks about computer forensics...just little ones... But, you never know and that was definitely something I would want to know has been researched in this case.

Now as for Misty, :sad: I was surprised to see they have allegedly interviewed her at least TEN TIMES and still inconsistencies in the time line. That leaves me wondering if she simply was not coherent enough (due to total exhaustion) to get it together after three days of being out with the friends (allegedly). Could the inconsistencies be the same, but nonetheless INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS ON TIME?

Given what Hardy said in early April, I still can't believe some of the finest legal minds couldn't find a way of breaking her IF SHE PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE IN HALEIGH GOING MISSING. I believe they could have used other means of intimidation without arresting her IMO. I realize they are a bit limited given her age, but surely she is not able to pull the wool over seasoned investigators...I have to believe that.

I'm still praying for Haleigh to be found alive and that her family is taking care of themselves so they will be prepared to assume care for her upon such a miracle being realized. :wub: JMO.

[Motomom]

Re the picture of Haleigh's bandaged hands. The other day I followed a link to some pictures and that picture was there. There were several other pictures of Haleigh & Jr at that playground. Haleigh had on the same clothes and her hands were not bandaged. I don't know if her hands were bandaged because of a problem or if someone was playing Dr. JMO

I can't imagine that the pictures would have been released from the cummings side of the family (I think that is where they came from) if those bandages were due to abuse. That is not logical to me.

[seeker]

ITA Candy. I just don't understand that hate for Ron; don't even know if hate is a strong enough word. I have never seen anything like this happen on a message board before. Even the Phil Spector board was bad for the ones against and the ones for but nothing like this. Sure would like to know where it comes from.

I don't believe JR. will be taken away from Ron and then whose fault will that be?

Like I had said about the oxycodene and the oxycontin that they are 2 totally different drugs. I have had two shoulder surgeries and take oxycodene, generic percocet, if the pain gets too bad. I know my Dr. would never give me the other stuff plus she knows I wouldn't take it.

With all that said I'm still going to defend Ron and Misty when there are just rumors and nothing more.

JMO

As I read through the posts this morning I am wondering why all the anger. Jacki, I know that you were concerned about oxycodone. Mimi posted information for you and so did I. It was clear from reading just those two sources that the drugs are in the same family. You obviously had the appropriate medication prescribed to you. Medication is only "bad" if it is misused and abused, not taken because of pain from a surgery or illness. I do not believe that anyone was trying to do anything other than help you figure out what medication you were taking and agree with you that your medication was fine.

Aren't we here to discuss; even if we have differing ideas of what may have happened to Haleigh Cummings, most people can deal with that without this board devolving into "sides."

I have hope that this sad story will find it's conclusion, as do most of us here, I believe.

My thoughts and opinions, and wishing for a good day here.

[JackiBlu]

Re the picture of Haleigh's bandaged hands. The other day I followed a link to some pictures and that picture was there. There were several other pictures of Haleigh & Jr at that playground. Haleigh had on the same clothes and her hands were not bandaged. I don't know if her hands were bandaged because of a problem or if someone was playing Dr. JMO

I don't know but she does have that condition. Could be she just took the bandages off while playing because they got dirty or she just wanted them off while playing or it was another day and she just happened to have on the same clothes. (This is jmo on why she took the bandages off)

This condition isn't something that would flare up on a daily basis. It must be hard on such a little one to understand why she would need to keep bandages on her hands at certain times.

[Mimi428]

Both of her hands were bandaged in a picture that was released by the media. The links for the condition caused by Turners Syndrome I posted above.

I've been Googling & trying to find it, but so far I haven't.

I did find another picture showing one of her hands. I don't know about you, but I can't see any swelling in her hands/fingers in this picture.

http://www.wftv.com/centralfloridahomeroom/18947660/detail.html

[JackiBlu]

Lymphedema? I must have missed something major. Why do you believe she may have had lymphedema?

I don't think I have seen the pix you are referring to - & in a lot of pix Halegh's hands are not visible. I did find this one where her hands are visible - & it does not appear that her hands are swollen, much less any indication of lymphedema.

Do you know where the picture is that caused someone to think she may have lymphedema? TIA

http://www.cayleedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/haleigh-cropped2.jpg

I have seen the picture but can't remember where it was posted. Maybe another poster could help out with that.

As I said about a week ago I have talked with Annette several times. We were talking about what the pictures that had been released and I told her the ones that were my favorite. That is when I asked what happened to Haleigh's hands when she had to have both bandaged.

[Mimi428]

I don't know but she does have that condition. Could be she just took the bandages off while playing because they got dirty or she just wanted them off while playing or it was another day and she just happened to have on the same clothes. (This is jmo on why she took the bandages off)

This condition isn't something that would flare up on a daily basis. It must be hard on such a little one to understand why she would need to keep bandages on her hands at certain times.

Good grief, I must have missed more than I realized - when was it revealed that she has lymphedema?

[Peaches]

no doubt only in FL lol

yeah i've noticed TJH,AH, Cobra and the LE sound a lot more upbeat. I wonder what they know.

FA............thanks for this article.

At the very end, I read that Ron, Jr. would have been removed from Ron's home if they thought he was in danger.

That seems to answer the question -------- Is Ron, Jr. in danger living with his dad. The answer is NO.

Thanks for furnishing this for us.

jmo

[JackiBlu]

You are referring to Percocet, which contains oxycodone & acetaminophen

I was referring to OxyContin - see the post from Candy saying OxyContin is not oxycodone. OxyContin is the time-released form of oxycodone.

Ever hear the expression "All apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples"?

All OxyContin are oxycodone, but not all oxycodone is Oxycontin.

CWIM?

Ok I just knew I wasn't taking oxycontin. I have heard that is really bad stuff and would never take it. That's why my response when you said they were the same.

[dustyk]

FA............thanks for this article.

At the very end, I read that Ron, Jr. would have been removed from Ron's home if they thought he was in danger.

That seems to answer the question -------- Is Ron, Jr. in danger living with his dad. The answer is NO.

Thanks for furnishing this for us.

jmo
I can not see the new article That site is blocked here...what does it say?

[Peaches]

Re the picture of Haleigh's bandaged hands. The other day I followed a link to some pictures and that picture was there. There were several other pictures of Haleigh & Jr at that playground. Haleigh had on the same clothes and her hands were not bandaged. I don't know if her hands were bandaged because of a problem or if someone was playing Dr. JMO


Yes, I remember those. I think it was a ballpark- baseball/softball because she was lying on a bench with a great big smile!

I read sometimes TS does things to the hand a little surgery is sometimes needed.............could have been that too.

Just my very own opinion.

She is a precious child and my prayer today is that she will be returned to those who love her soon.

[CANDYKISSES]

They are NOT the same. The oxycodone I take is generic for percocet. Here is the link.

http://www.medicinenet.com/oxycodone_and_acetaminophen/article.htm

oxycodone and acetaminophen Index Glossary


GENERIC NAME: oxycodone and acetaminophen
BRAND NAMES: Percocet, Roxicet, Tylox, Endocet
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Oxycodone is a narcotic analgesic (pain-reliever) and a cough suppressant that is similar to codeine and hydrocodone. The precise mechanism of pain relief by oxycodone and other narcotics is not known. Acetaminophen is a non-narcotic analgesic and antipyretic (fever reducer). Acetaminophen relieves pain by elevating the pain threshold. It reduces fever through its action on the heat-regulating center of the brain. The combination of oxycodone and acetaminophen achieves greater pain relief than either taken separately. For more information on acetaminophen, please see acetaminophen (Tylenol).

PRESCRIPTION: yes

GENERIC AVAILABLE: yes

PREPARATIONS: Tablet: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen; Capsule: 5mg oxycodone/500mg acetaminophen; Solution: 5mg oxycodone/325mg acetaminophen per teaspoonful.

STORAGE: Store at room temperature, sealed, light- resistant container.

PRESCRIBED FOR: Oxycodone & acetaminophen is prescribed for the relief of moderate to moderately severe pain.

DOSING: The dose of oxycodone & acetaminophen is variable and depends on the needs of the patient and specific circumstances.


As you can see this comes in a 5mg dose. It also has acetaminophen in it.

Some of our pharmacies in this area actually have signs saying "OXYCONTIN NOT AVAILABLE HERE" but you can get OXYCODONE in those same pharmacies.

From the same link, we can derive the fact that Oxycontin was created as an extended pain relief drug to use every twelve hours vs Oxycodone being prescribed for pain relief every four to six hours IMO.

FROM THE LINK BELOW...

OxyContin is a time-release morphine-like narcotic intended to relieve chronic pain of moderate to severe proportions. One pill of OxyContin is designed to last 12 hours.

The active ingredient in OxyContin is oxycodone, an opioid, a close relative of morphine, heroin, codeine, fentanyl, and methadone.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=17908

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

They are not the same but rather, they share an active ingredient IMO. My pharmacist has told me the closest generic for Oxycontin is morphine, but even that is not exact.

ALL JMO.

[seeker]

Good Morning everyone. Thanks for the new thread Bookie. Also, thanks for finding the video showing exactly what was said.

My post I made last night about Haleigh's hand in bandages and it was due to a condition caused by Turners Syndrome. Not abuse by Ron or Misty as was suggested by some when that photo came out. I didn't get one reply to my post. Guess if something proves no abuse by Ron or Misty it doesn't matter; but hey I should know that by now.

Praying for you Haleigh, time to come home beautiful little girl!!!!



JMO

<bolding mine>

Again, I'll ask more clearly:

You are stating two things as FACTS.

1. Haleigh's hands were bandaged due to Turner's Syndrome

2. You state that you have proven that there was no abuse by Ron or Misty


How do you back this up? No Abuse, I mean? Hands bandaged because of Turner's? You can't use an article about the condition and say that proves why Haleigh's hands were bandaged in those photographs.

You have shown no "proof" that this child was never abused.

We are here to discuss. When you make a statement of fact, you need to back it up with FACTS.

Saying something you believe does not make it a fact, it is still a belief.

my thoughts and opinions and beliefs

[Peaches]

Candy..this was a very good post. I understand some of the venom too about Ron. I understand why some don't want to talk about Crystal because it wasn't her home that haleigh went missing from. However, when Crystal is discussed, it is mostly facts. When Ron is discussed it is alot of rumor/hearsay/interpretation of every move he makes.. That's ok, but yet not ok when we start discussing Crystals past, or even her interviews since this happened. God forbid we question the HB center too. Most of it though is just to start trouble IMO.. because I am normally very very civil with opposing views and when I offer up a possible explanation it turns into excuses.. So some people really aren't interested in the possibilities IMO. Instead they attempt to get the board shut down, or others banned. I don't understand it.

I hope Dyfs comes up with no abuse, because I would hate to think that these children were abused.

Mom, this is a great post. I agree with everything you have said here.............wish I had the ability to compose these statements.

:thumbsup: Very well done!

I would like to say that I know for a fact that some of us are targets..............some others want us banned because they have been. jmo

Mom...............read the article that FA poster above. DYFS said that if they feared danger to a child, the child would be removed. It said that Ron, Jr. was with his dad. This says all we need to know at this time.............Ron, Jr. is in no danger. jmo:wub:

[JackiBlu]

As I read through the posts this morning I am wondering why all the anger. Jacki, I know that you were concerned about oxycodone. Mimi posted information for you and so did I. It was clear from reading just those two sources that the drugs are in the same family. You obviously had the appropriate medication prescribed to you. Medication is only "bad" if it is misused and abused, not taken because of pain from a surgery or illness. I do not believe that anyone was trying to do anything other than help you figure out what medication you were taking and agree with you that your medication was fine.

Aren't we here to discuss; even if we have differing ideas of what may have happened to Haleigh Cummings, most people can deal with that without this board devolving into "sides."

I have hope that this sad story will find it's conclusion, as do most of us here, I believe.

My thoughts and opinions, and wishing for a good day here.

No I was not taking oxycontin. If you check up thread Mimi just confirmed it. I'm not angry, just hate having to try and explain every little thing I post even with links.

Yes we are here to discuss even if we have differing opinions but it seems some have to explain over and over again way more than others. Even when links are supplied.

JMO

[Peaches]

Ok I just knew I wasn't taking oxycontin. I have heard that is really bad stuff and would never take it. That's why my response when you said they were the same.


Isn't this drug given to those who are in severe pain...........like those with cancer/etc?

[2boysMom]

ITA Candy. I just don't understand that hate for Ron; don't even know if hate is a strong enough word. I have never seen anything like this happen on a message board before. Even the Phil Spector board was bad for the ones against and the ones for but nothing like this. Sure would like to know where it comes from.

I don't believe JR. will be taken away from Ron and then whose fault will that be?

Like I had said about the oxycodene and the oxycontin that they are 2 totally different drugs. I have had two shoulder surgeries and take oxycodene, generic percocet, if the pain gets too bad. I know my Dr. would never give me the other stuff plus she knows I wouldn't take it.

With all that said I'm still going to defend Ron and Misty when there are just rumors and nothing more.

JMO

I am right there with you Candy and Jacki. And I don't get the complaints about bashing Crystal. I've seen criticism on the board of Crystal, but never any hatefulness, while I read posts about Ron saying I hate Ron, He's disgusting, I wish someone would punch him in the face, etc. etc. etc. I truly believe it borders on pathological. It's interesting to consider the differences in the groups of posters here
IMO.

Still praying for precious Haleigh.

[Peaches]

Good morning everyone, Maybe he was speaking of the HBH. It was reported yesterday, with a link, of a cam set up outside. Maybe it is officially closed.



If this is the case, it was never open much at all...........



moo

[CANDYKISSES]

<snipped>

They aren't the same thing? How do you figure?


http://www.rxlist.com/oxycontin-drug.htm

OXYCONTIN®
(oxycodone HCl) Controlled Release Tablets 10 mg 20 mg 40 mg 80 mg* 160 mg*

OxyContin Tablets are a controlled-release oral formulation of oxycodone hydrochloride

OXYCODONE IS AN active ingredient in Oxycontin, and that is how the FDA et al figure it. Oxycontin was designed for LONG TERM PAIN RELIEF and oxycodone was used in the production, but Oxycontin and Oxycodone are DEFINITELY NOT THE SAME THING Mimi.

Ask your pharmacist how they would handle a consumer coming in (with a paper script for OXYCODONE) and asking for OXYCONTIN instead of OXYCODONE which was on an ORIGINAL RX.

It won't happen IMO. :wink:

One of many task forces designed concerning OXYCONTIN...not OXYCODONE.

http://www.health.gov.nl.ca/health/publications/oxyfinal/OxyContinFinalReport.pdf


JMOOC.

[CANDYKISSES]

I came over here the other night to try and find some updates, and the only thing I saw was a screaming poster out of control. I could not believe Haleigh's board had come to that. Each time I visit it seems to be about bashing Ron, so I'm assuming there is no news. So sad - I hope this does not fall into the Trenton Duckett category

I admire you for hanging in there Candy.

I hope you will join in the thread here Rainy. We all have an interest in Haleigh's case no matter how we are perceived IMO. Always hoping and praying for a positive outcome for Haleigh and her family. :wub: JMO

[seeker]

I must have missed that one entirely. Do you recall which website had that picture?
TIA

Help Fnd The Missing. Lots of pictures. Sweet and Disturbing

[seeker]

FA............thanks for this article.

At the very end, I read that Ron, Jr. would have been removed from Ron's home if they thought he was in danger.

That seems to answer the question -------- Is Ron, Jr. in danger living with his dad. The answer is NO.

Thanks for furnishing this for us.

jmo

Morning Peaches,

The bolding above is mine.

That isn't even logical, from my point of view. Until a finding is made, some children remain in abusive homes. Sometimes findings are WRONG. Sometimes children disappear and die.

This is not finished for those of us who want ALL children to be safe, including Little Ron Cummings and any other child in the care of Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.

These are my very strong feelings about this

[CANDYKISSES]

I am right there with you Candy and Jacki. And I don't get the complaints about bashing Crystal. I've seen criticism on the board of Crystal, but never any hatefulness, while I read posts about Ron saying I hate Ron, He's disgusting, I wish someone would punch him in the face, etc. etc. etc. I truly believe it borders on pathological. It's interesting to consider the differences in the groups of posters here
IMO.

Still praying for precious Haleigh.

Just think about what Ron would be called if he were in Crystal's shoes and that says enough for me 2boysMom. I think we know he would be called a deadbeat and OMG, going on to produce other children after not supporting the first two...I can't even imagine.

This is an example of the great gender divide that still exists involving our children IMO. I saw Wendy Murphy get real for just a moment the other night concerning another case of a mother protecting or not protecting a child on JVM, and she admitted she feared the backlash. :scared: Sad, huh?

She was back pedaling after the next commercial, so Wendy still engages in the bias too, but she sees further than she cares to admit. That's what I think we have here as a complication while trying to discuss the case openly. JMO tho and that's it. :sad:

[JackiBlu]

<bolding mine>

Again, I'll ask more clearly:

You are stating two things as FACTS.

1. Haleigh's hands were bandaged due to Turner's Syndrome

2. You state that you have proven that there was no abuse by Ron or Misty


How do you back this up? No Abuse, I mean? Hands bandaged because of Turner's? You can't use an article about the condition and say that proves why Haleigh's hands were bandaged in those photographs.

You have shown no "proof" that this child was never abused.

We are here to discuss. When you make a statement of fact, you need to back it up with FACTS.

Saying something you believe does not make it a fact, it is still a belief.

my thoughts and opinions and beliefs


When these pictures of her hands first came out some posters were saying that Ron and/or Misty caused her hands to be bandaged because of abuse. Can't remember when they first came out but you could probably do a search on the threads with bandage, hand, abuse then you could see who was posting this but like I said don't remember the time frame.

Haleighs greatgrandma Annette told me why her hands had to be bandaged.

[Peaches]

Help Fnd The Missing. Lots of pictures. Sweet and Disturbing



Seeker, you are so right. It is sad to see so many missing people. Until I started following Natalee Holloway case, I did not realize how many people went missing everyday.

I belong to one group that meets once a month for lunch. If anyone misses more than 2 lunches in a row, we make a milk carton with their face and information on it and send it to them. This was all done in fun.

But, after reading about how many Americans go missing and are never found, it makes me very sad. Those who have been taken by a parent usually means that they are safe but those who just disappear tug at my heartstrings.

But for the Grace of God.................it could be one of mine.

A child can be taken in a moment. When you have more than one you are watching, it would be easy for someone to "steal" your child. So sad.

Prayers for the missing and those who love them.

jmo

[Mimi428]

I have seen the picture but can't remember where it was posted. Maybe another poster could help out with that.

As I said about a week ago I have talked with Annette several times. We were talking about what the pictures that had been released and I told her the ones that were my favorite. That is when I asked what happened to Haleigh's hands when she had to have both bandaged.

I think I found the picture - is it this one?

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/judy911/m_85f13a3dd10f4db29081cf2c68be22ec.jpg

Do you notice how the bandages are very puffy?

Here are a couple of photos of the compression gloves used to treat lympedema in the hands.

http://www.compressionstockings.com/images/Elvarex%20glove.jpg

http://www.rehabmart.com/resizeimage_send.asp?path=/imagesfromNC/NC60030-1.jpg&width=200&height=131

I would expect Haleigh's hands to be wrapped with a stretchy sort of materal, if she was being treated for lymphedema.

But that's JMO

[diamond]

When these pictures of her hands first came out some posters were saying that Ron and/or Misty caused her hands to be bandaged because of abuse. Can't remember when they first came out but you could probably do a search on the threads with bandage, hand, abuse then you could see who was posting this but like I said don't remember the time frame.

Haleighs greatgrandma Annette told me why her hands had to be bandaged.

There is always one in the bunch that claims contact with the family so that they can post information from the family on the internet blogs.

MO

[seeker]

When these pictures of her hands first came out some posters were saying that Ron and/or Misty caused her hands to be bandaged because of abuse. Can't remember when they first came out but you could probably do a search on the threads with bandage, hand, abuse then you could see who was posting this but like I said don't remember the time frame.

Haleighs greatgrandma Annette told me why her hands had to be bandaged.

Thanks for clarifying. If the great-grandmother, Annette Sykes did in fact tell you this, this is not proof that Haleigh was NOT an abused child.

my strong feelings about this

[CANDYKISSES]

When these pictures of her hands first came out some posters were saying that Ron and/or Misty caused her hands to be bandaged because of abuse. Can't remember when they first came out but you could probably do a search on the threads with bandage, hand, abuse then you could see who was posting this but like I said don't remember the time frame.

Haleighs greatgrandma Annette told me why her hands had to be bandaged.

Jacki, having not spoken with Mrs. Sykes, I can jump to a conclusion that Ron wouldn't have put out pics of OPEN ABUSE or he might just be in JAIL right now IMOO.

I remember this early on and the speculation as I was just aghast :scared: that anyone would believe such horrors and knowing the world was able to view the photos. I believe that might fall under imminent danger for Junior if those pictures displayed were not documented with a physician's statement and witnessed by LE or DCF, IMOOOC. Thanks for your continued input here. :thumbup:

[diamond]

I think I found the picture - is it this one?

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/judy911/m_85f13a3dd10f4db29081cf2c68be22ec.jpg

Do you notice how the bandages are very puffy?

Here are a couple of photos of the compression gloves used to treat lympedema in the hands.

http://www.compressionstockings.com/images/Elvarex%20glove.jpg

http://www.rehabmart.com/resizeimage_send.asp?path=/imagesfromNC/NC60030-1.jpg&width=200&height=131

I would expect Haleigh's hands to be wrapped with a stretchy sort of materal, if she was being treated for lymphedema.

But that's JMO

bolding......Of course they would be. The bandages Haleigh is wearing in the first photo are more like the layers of bandages used for burns.

[JackiBlu]

Isn't this drug given to those who are in severe pain...........like those with cancer/etc?

I really don't know what it is used for but have heard that is one of the drugs sold on the street for lots of money. Have also heard oxycotin is very addictive. When my hubby was a corrections officer he would tell me they would book a lot in to jail getting caught with these piils.

[Peaches]

Morning Peaches,

The bolding above is mine.

That isn't even logical, from my point of view. Until a finding is made, some children remain in abusive homes. Sometimes findings are WRONG. Sometimes children disappear and die.

This is not finished for those of us who want ALL children to be safe, including Little Ron Cummings and any other child in the care of Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.

These are my very strong feelings about this


Good Morning Seeker,

I realize this is not finished............at least we do not know the outcome because it has not been published.


************************************************** ***
Sniped from the article posted by FA..........Post on Page 1

Harrell said that even though the investigation is ongoing, DCF would not remove any child from a home unless they were in danger.


************************************************** ***

The above is what I read that made me believe that if Ron, Jr. was in any danger, he would not be with Ron at this time. I believe Harrell from DCF when he made this statement.

This is where I got my information.

jmo

This is FA's post for those who want to read the entire article.

05-08-2009, 10:16 AM
FallenAngel-
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,050

Did yall read TJH's new post?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


Things are sounding good.
__________________
Stone: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

Cobra: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.

[diamond]

Thanks for clarifying. If the great-grandmother, Annette Sykes did in fact tell you this, this is not proof that Haleigh was NOT an abused child.

my strong feelings about this

ITA

Nothing coming from Ron's family is absolute proof.

my strong feeling as well

[JackiBlu]

Morning Peaches,

The bolding above is mine.

That isn't even logical, from my point of view. Until a finding is made, some children remain in abusive homes. Sometimes findings are WRONG. Sometimes children disappear and die.

This is not finished for those of us who want ALL children to be safe, including Little Ron Cummings and any other child in the care of Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.

These are my very strong feelings about this

Seeker, just like you asked me........why are you so angry? Guess it's anything good printed about Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.


JMO

[dustyk]

Just think about what Ron would be called if he were in Crystal's shoes and that says enough for me 2boysMom. I think we know he would be called a deadbeat and OMG, going on to produce other children after not supporting the first two...I can't even imagine.

This is an example of the great gender divide that still exists involving our children IMO. I saw Wendy Murphy get real for just a moment the other night concerning another case of a mother protecting or not protecting a child on JVM, and she admitted she feared the backlash. :scared: Sad, huh?

She was back pedaling after the next commercial, so Wendy still engages in the bias too, but she sees further than she cares to admit. That's what I think we have here as a complication while trying to discuss the case openly. JMO tho and that's it. :sad:
You say if he went on to produce other children, I think Misty said he did go on to produce another child. I have really tried not to bash ROnald lately and try to be open minded , but these kind of posts are what causes the trouble. IMO

[JackiBlu]

There is always one in the bunch that claims contact with the family so that they can post information from the family on the internet blogs.

MO

I really don't care if you believe me or not. JUST SKIP AND SCROLL.

[Scampi]

ITA

Nothing coming from Ron's family is absolute proof.

my strong feeling as well

I agree with both you and seeker and will go one step further and say that anything coming from the cummings family, at this point in time, is highly suspect to me.

[JackiBlu]

I am right there with you Candy and Jacki. And I don't get the complaints about bashing Crystal. I've seen criticism on the board of Crystal, but never any hatefulness, while I read posts about Ron saying I hate Ron, He's disgusting, I wish someone would punch him in the face, etc. etc. etc. I truly believe it borders on pathological. It's interesting to consider the differences in the groups of posters here
IMO.

Still praying for precious Haleigh.

I can't remember it ever being this bad on any other thread.


JMO

[dustyk]

I can't remember it ever being this bad on any other thread.


JMO
That can be said for both sides and justifying bashing one because someone is bashing the other is just as wrong IMO

[2boysMom]

bolding......Of course they would be. The bandages Haleigh is wearing in the first photo are more like the layers of bandages used for burns.

Compression can be accomplished using a stretchy gauze called kerlix. Perhaps that's what is in use and it may have loosened up during her play. Perhaps she has the actual gloves and they became dirty and these wraps were used temporarily. There is no way you can assume her hands are injured due to any abuse.

[HouseOfClark]

Seeker, just like you asked me........why are you so angry? Guess it's anything good printed about Mr. and Mrs. Cummings.


JMO

Oh I know what you mean! For weeks Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris have been castigated on this board for posts on end.

Then suddenly, Cobra gives an interview to a blogger (no less) and says that nobody in this case has clean hands when he was asked about Crystal.

That one statement seemed to uplift the "3 Musketeers" (as they are continually referred to on here) to a new status of "truth tellers" and "good news bearers" for the case.

Could the status of bloggers be raised also?

I dare to dream.

MOO

[diamond]

I can't remember it ever being this bad on any other thread.


JMO

Check some of the blogs that hosted discussions on the Natalee Holloway case. You will see worse bashing. JVDS supporters literally ripped Natalee's family apart without proof. Bannings from popular board occurred and private boards were created so those banned could say whatever they wanted and trash the parents of a missing girl. Most of those are gone now and disappeared after JVDS revelation last year to Greta that he sold Natalee for $10,000 cash given to him in a paper bag on the beach.

[seeker]

Good Morning Seeker,

I realize this is not finished............at least we do not know the outcome because it has not been published.


************************************************** ***
Sniped from the article posted by FA..........Post on Page 1

Harrell said that even though the investigation is ongoing, DCF would not remove any child from a home unless they were in danger.


************************************************** ***

The above is what I read that made me believe that if Ron, Jr. was in any danger, he would not be with Ron at this time. I believe Harrell from DCF when he made this statement.

This is where I got my information.

jmo

This is FA's post for those who want to read the entire article.

05-08-2009, 10:16 AM
FallenAngel-
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,050

Did yall read TJH's new post?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


Things are sounding good.
__________________
Stone: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

Cobra: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.

Hi again,

I'm confused. In your post, that I responded to, you said that this is finished and we now know that there is no abuse.

(Not your exact wording. I will go back and quote your original post if you need me to).

And another question for you, if you don't mind continuing this discussion:

What do you mean by this?

"Things are sounding good" (your words above)

my thoughts and questions

[JackiBlu]

I think I found the picture - is it this one?

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg219/judy911/m_85f13a3dd10f4db29081cf2c68be22ec.jpg

Do you notice how the bandages are very puffy?

Here are a couple of photos of the compression gloves used to treat lympedema in the hands.

http://www.compressionstockings.com/images/Elvarex%20glove.jpg

http://www.rehabmart.com/resizeimage_send.asp?path=/imagesfromNC/NC60030-1.jpg&width=200&height=131

I would expect Haleigh's hands to be wrapped with a stretchy sort of materal, if she was being treated for lymphedema.

But that's JMO

Yes that is the picture. All I have to go on is what I told you. I wonder if this could be the stage when they are just dry and flaky. I just read the symptoms and don't know if it goes in stages or not.

JMO

[diamond]

Compression can be accomplished using a stretchy gauze called kerlix. Perhaps that's what is in use and it may have loosened up during her play. Perhaps she has the actual gloves and they became dirty and these wraps were used temporarily. There is no way you can assume her hands are injured due to any abuse.

I am not saying her hands are injured due to abuse. I am saying the bandages as seen pictured are similar to bandages for burns. Compression bandages can be slipped off and washed.

[HouseOfClark]

OR....for hands that are leaking fluid from the edema.............:wink:


Hands leak from edema?

[dustyk]

Hands leak from edema?
I am sure the Google physicians will be answering that for you shortly. IMO

[JackiBlu]

Thanks for clarifying. If the great-grandmother, Annette Sykes did in fact tell you this, this is not proof that Haleigh was NOT an abused child.

my strong feelings about this

The question I was answering about the abuse was regarding her hands. I'll say the same to you if you don't want to believe she told me this that's up to you. JUST SKIP AND SCROLL. I do not lie.

[diamond]

I am sure the Google physicians will be answering that for you shortly. IMO

They will for sure! LOL

[HouseOfClark]

I am sure the Google physicians will be answering that for you shortly. IMO

I sure hope so.

[Peaches]

Oh I know what you mean! For weeks Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris have been castigated on this board for posts on end.

Then suddenly, Cobra gives an interview to a blogger (no less) and says that nobody in this case has clean hands when he was asked about Crystal.

That one statement seemed to uplift the "3 Musketeers" (as they are continually referred to on here) to a new status of "truth tellers" and "good news bearers" for the case.

Could the status of bloggers be raised also?

I dare to dream.

MOO


Who are the 3 musketeers..............????

I have not read there on this board at all. Maybe you are confused.

Also, bloggers are just like us. They do not publish anything that we can know for a fact that it is true.................

jmo

[diamond]

The question I was answering about the abuse was regarding her hands. I'll say the same to you if you don't want to believe she told me this that's up to you. JUST SKIP AND SCROLL. I do not lie.

Why would she talk to you Jack? In cases like this the family receives hundreds of phone calls. They don't usually talk to strangers calling for fear of misinformation getting out. And as I said in every case there is always one that claims to have connection and inside information from the family. It is usually believed those posters are the family trying to improve their image.
MO

[JackiBlu]

Jacki, having not spoken with Mrs. Sykes, I can jump to a conclusion that Ron wouldn't have put out pics of OPEN ABUSE or he might just be in JAIL right now IMOO.

I remember this early on and the speculation as I was just aghast :scared: that anyone would believe such horrors and knowing the world was able to view the photos. I believe that might fall under imminent danger for Junior if those pictures displayed were not documented with a physician's statement and witnessed by LE or DCF, IMOOOC. Thanks for your continued input here. :thumbup:

I know Candy. Some of the things they were saying Ron and Misty did to her hands was just terrible. To even think those things are just sick.

JMO

[Motomom]

Compression can be accomplished using a stretchy gauze called kerlix. Perhaps that's what is in use and it may have loosened up during her play. Perhaps she has the actual gloves and they became dirty and these wraps were used temporarily. There is no way you can assume her hands are injured due to any abuse.

Right.... how is it not ok to claim it came from the turner syndrome but ok to claim it caim from unsubstantiated (at this time) abuse?

[HouseOfClark]

The question I was answering about the abuse was regarding her hands. I'll say the same to you if you don't want to believe she told me this that's up to you. JUST SKIP AND SCROLL. I do not lie.

So, let me ask you this.

IF Haleigh's hands were frequently bandaged, swollen by edema, why didn't GGM Sykes ever mention this to the press or anybody that might have seen Haleigh as being something to look for? Isn't that something that would have been important to note?

[dustyk]

That is why DNA is so wonderful today. I wonder why the State of Florida has NOT required Ron to be tested. They certainly have the right because the state is supporting this child and that includes thousands in health care. Hummm..............

My Opinion, Ron is not on the child's BC and Amber has told them she has no idea who the father is to continue to get all of the benefits she can get for this child.
I really have no feelling about that one way or another...that child is not missing, Haleigh is. But for all the moral posters shouldn't he find out for sure before Misty goes on National TV and says she babysat for another child of Ronald's with Amber. IMO

[Mimi428]

Hands leak from edema?


I marvel at all the new things I learn everyday.

[diamond]

I marvel at all the new things I learn everyday.

I do, too. Besides swelling that badly would be extremely painful. So painful that bandages would be too painful.

[Peaches]

Hi again,

I'm confused. In your post, that I responded to, you said that this is finished and we now know that there is no abuse.

(Not your exact wording. I will go back and quote your original post if you need me to).

And another question for you, if you don't mind continuing this discussion:

What do you mean by this?

"Things are sounding good" (your words above)

my thoughts and questions


1. FA wrote things are sounding good (NOT my words).........also she posted the link.

2. This is my post:

Your information - your post is incorrect:

Good Morning Seeker,

I realize this is not finished............at least we do not know the outcome because it has not been published.


************************************************** ***
Sniped from the article posted by FA..........Post on Page 1

Harrell said that even though the investigation is ongoing, DCF would not remove any child from a home unless they were in danger.
************************************************** ***

The above is what I read that made me believe that if Ron, Jr. was in any danger, he would not be with Ron at this time. I believe Harrell from DCF when he made this statement.

This is where I got my information.

jmo


Now................I will not respond to another post on this because I believe that you are baiting and I want no part of it. TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes that is the picture. All I have to go on is what I told you. I wonder if this could be the stage when they are just dry and flaky. I just read the symptoms and don't know if it goes in stages or not.

JMO


Compression Therapy Considerations
As previously mentioned, pediatric tissues are far more delicate than those found in an adult. Compression therapy can be counterproductive if it is not administered with great care and skill. This becomes an additional burden to parents and must only be undertaken by responsible and cautious caregivers.

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:jnn6R8d45isJ:www.elymphnotes.org/detail.asp%3Fci%3D57%26it%3DIPI+Turner+Syndrome+ch ild+bandage&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

jmo:wink:

[Motomom]

Why would she talk to you Jack? In cases like this the family receives hundreds of phone calls. They don't usually talk to strangers calling for fear of misinformation getting out. And as I said in every case there is always one that claims to have connection and inside information from the family. It is usually believed those posters are the family trying to improve their image.
MO

I'm not sure which board it was cause I sometimes read at WS too and always follow the links to SM and HFTM where Kim P WAS conversing via email with a poster?

[HouseOfClark]

Who are the 3 musketeers..............????

I have not read there on this board at all. Maybe you are confused.

Also, bloggers are just like us. They do not publish anything that we can know for a fact that it is true.................

jmo


I'm sure if you do a search for the "3 Musketeers" on this board you will find that is exactly who Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris are referred to as. Maybe to aid in your confusion, you can spell out "three" as opposed to the "numerical".

So, in your opinion - considering your last sentence - you think all bloggers publish only the truth?

[JackiBlu]

Good Morning Seeker,

I realize this is not finished............at least we do not know the outcome because it has not been published.


************************************************** ***
Sniped from the article posted by FA..........Post on Page 1

Harrell said that even though the investigation is ongoing, DCF would not remove any child from a home unless they were in danger.


************************************************** ***

The above is what I read that made me believe that if Ron, Jr. was in any danger, he would not be with Ron at this time. I believe Harrell from DCF when he made this statement.

This is where I got my information.

jmo

This is FA's post for those who want to read the entire article.

05-08-2009, 10:16 AM
FallenAngel-
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,050

Did yall read TJH's new post?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


Things are sounding good.
__________________
Stone: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

Cobra: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.

Peaches it will not matter if they find JR is not in any danger and no abuse then DCF will be wrong.

JMO

[Peaches]

I marvel at all the new things I learn everyday.


Mimi, most of us learn new things daily. jmo at least I do

[2boysMom]

I am sure the Google physicians will be answering that for you shortly. IMO

I'm not a google physician, but I'll tell you that edematous skin can absolutely "weep" fluid, in which case the gloves would be inappropriate, IMO.

[HouseOfClark]

I marvel at all the new things I learn everyday.

Me too!

Brings a whole new meaning to "cyberchondria".

[Motomom]

my bold

Hmmmm, that is possible but I usually write them off as attention seekers. Maybe I'm too cynical.

I must be cynical too because I write alot of posters off as attention seekers. LOL.. Good websites usually try to confirm if there is a member of the family posting.. not sure how they always go about that though. It's easy enough for anyone to claim they know the family, I guess my opinion is shaped by what they post..

[CANDYKISSES]

bolding......Of course they would be. The bandages Haleigh is wearing in the first photo are more like the layers of bandages used for burns.

Maybe you should offer your opinions to the pediatric specialists who treat Turner's Syndrome and find compression therapy difficult on their young patients who suffer. JMOOC. :thumbup:

[psbperu]

I can't remember it ever being this bad on any other thread.


JMO



JackiBlu:

Have been around for 10 years...it has been worse. Part of the problem is that there has been no resolution or even a hint of resolution about this missing child. It is frustrating.

I still find it hard to believe that Haleigh taken from a room where a young adult was sleeping, would find that easier to believe if she was taken from another room.

There are so many unanswered questions that it is mind-boggling.
Speculation has been rampant on this board but it the question of what really happened that night and is this precious child alive or dead, I hope, remains the focus of LE.

Of course the bizarro wedding, trip to NY & past/present family history has made it difficult to elicit sympathy for some family members (on both sides).

[Peaches]

I'm sure if you do a search for the "3 Musketeers" on this board you will find that is exactly who Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris are referred to as. Maybe to aid in your confusion, you can spell out "three" as opposed to the "numerical".

So, in your opinion - considering your last sentence - you think all bloggers publish only the truth?

You did not read my post correctly so I am posting it below for you again. jmo


My post you are referring to:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaches
Who are the 3 musketeers..............????

I have not read there on this board at all. Maybe you are confused.

Also, bloggers are just like us. They do not publish anything that we can know for a fact that it is true.................

jmo


bolding what you missed

[diamond]

Maybe you should offer your opinions to the pediatric specialists who treat Turner's Syndrome and find compression therapy difficult on their young patients who suffer. JMOOC. :thumbup:

While I appreciate your suggestion, the poster making the claims is not a pediatric specialists who treats Turner's Syndrome.
And it is not confirmed that the bandages Haleigh is wearing are compression therapy.

[JackiBlu]

Oh I know what you mean! For weeks Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris have been castigated on this board for posts on end.

Then suddenly, Cobra gives an interview to a blogger (no less) and says that nobody in this case has clean hands when he was asked about Crystal.

That one statement seemed to uplift the "3 Musketeers" (as they are continually referred to on here) to a new status of "truth tellers" and "good news bearers" for the case.

Could the status of bloggers be raised also?

I dare to dream.

MOO

The statement I was referring to was on SKY News.

[HouseOfClark]

Maybe you should offer your opinions to the pediatric specialists who treat Turner's Syndrome and find compression therapy difficult on their young patients who suffer. JMOOC. :thumbup:

I think somebody needs to tell GGM Sykes that.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm not sure which board it was cause I sometimes read at WS too and always follow the links to SM and HFTM where Kim P WAS conversing via email with a poster?

I think Kim accepts phone calls vs answering the emails for various reasons, but that is JMO motomom. I believe a poster here came with such a story too. IT has since been removed IIRC. :confused:

[Mel]

No I was not taking oxycontin. If you check up thread Mimi just confirmed it. I'm not angry, just hate having to try and explain every little thing I post even with links.

Yes we are here to discuss even if we have differing opinions but it seems some have to explain over and over again way more than others. Even when links are supplied.

JMO

no, you were not taking the 'real' Oxycontin, if you were taking Percocet...all are in the same family though, including Lortab, Endocet & a couple of others also..they all have oxycodone in them..

[Peaches]

Peaches it will not matter if they find JR is not in any danger and no abuse then DCF will be wrong.

JMO


JackiBlu,

Thank you.

2 different posters have quoted me wrong in the last 3 minutes so I think it is time for me to "read" only because I do not want trouble with anyone.

Jacki, keep posting and keep them honest.............using facts not rumors or opinions.

TIA:wub:

[HouseOfClark]

The statement I was referring to was on SKY News.

Psssst....TJ Hart is with Sky News and wrote the very piece you are referring to.

:wink:

[2boysMom]

Right.... how is it not ok to claim it came from the turner syndrome but ok to claim it caim from unsubstantiated (at this time) abuse?

Sorry I forgot the JMO, but since abuse hasn't been substantiated and Turner's HAS, and her GGM backs this up, I think it's more logical to consider the Turners related lymphedema. JMO

[Motomom]

I think Kim accepts phone calls vs answering the emails for various reasons, but that is JMO motomom. I believe a poster here came with such a story too. IT has since been removed IIRC. :confused:

Gotcha Candy.. easy enough to make up an email too.. so I wasn't seeing things then or remembering incorrectly that Kim P was supposedly in contact with a poster?

[Motomom]

no, you were not taking the 'real' Oxycontin, if you were taking Percocet...all are in the same family though, including Lortab, Endocet & a couple of others also..they all have oxycodone in them..

Are percs an opiate too? I get so confused with some of them.

[diamond]

Sorry I forgot the JMO, but since abuse hasn't been substantiated and Turner's HAS, and her GGM backs this up, I think it's more logical to consider the Turners related lymphedema. JMO

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Have you?

[Motomom]

Sorry I forgot the JMO, but since abuse hasn't been substantiated and Turner's HAS, and her GGM backs this up, I think it's more logical to consider the Turners related lymphedema. JMO

Much more logical to me too.. but I'm a logical sort of person :smile:

[Mel]

the picture of Haleigh's hands wrapped was discussed very early on, & if i'm not mistaken it all led back to her having Turner's Disease...

i don't believe that Jr is in any kind of danger now, especially since Haleigh's disappearance..there's no way anyone would take a chance of roughing him up, with all eyes on them now..

[Peaches]

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Have you?


We have seen it in court documents.

[Motomom]

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Have you?

Wow, so both families are lieing? Is that what you think? Or just that you haven't seen a doctors statement? Do you think she had turners from what you have seen and read?

[2boysMom]

I must be cynical too because I write alot of posters off as attention seekers. LOL.. Good websites usually try to confirm if there is a member of the family posting.. not sure how they always go about that though. It's easy enough for anyone to claim they know the family, I guess my opinion is shaped by what they post..

May I ask which poster is claiming to be a member of Haleigh's family? I don't recall anyone posting that.

[Mel]

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Have you?

it's very obvious in Haleigh's newborn pics..she has the large hump on the back of her neck...her little hands are 'stubby', for lack of a better word for it...her eyes are set oddly also...i have no doubt she has Turner's..

[diamond]

Wow, so both families are lieing? Is that what you think? Or just that you haven't seen a doctors statement? Do you think she had turners from what you have seen and read?

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Was there a doctor's statement given to the court?

[Mel]

Are percs an opiate too? I get so confused with some of them.

yes..oxycodone (opiate) is in Percocet

btw, it's always nice to see you here :smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

While I appreciate your suggestion, the poster making the claims is not a pediatric specialists who treats Turner's Syndrome.
And it is not confirmed that the bandages Haleigh is wearing are compression therapy.

I believe this was the post I responded to....

Quote:
Originally Posted by diamond
View Post
bolding......Of course they would be. The bandages Haleigh is wearing in the first photo are more like the layers of bandages used for burns.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

NOW my post to you considering your bold print inference to bandages used for burns.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Maybe you should offer your opinions to the pediatric specialists who treat Turner's Syndrome and find compression therapy difficult on their young patients who suffer. JMOOC.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It seems you were responding to the allegations of why bandages were on Haleigh. It was offered by Mimi that compression gloves are the kind of treatment for the edema resulting from Turner's Syndrome. There's a link above discussing the alternative bandages given the issues with children and compression therapy IMO.

jmo

[Motomom]

May I ask which poster is claiming to be a member of Haleigh's family? I don't recall anyone posting that.

None that' I've seen. Just people trying to accuse that there is IMO

[Motomom]

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Was there a doctor's statement given to the court?

I dont' know, why don't you look in the links sections. Maybe something is in the custody papers?

[diamond]

I dont' know, why don't you look in the links sections. Maybe something is in the custody papers?

I have. And did not see doctor confirmation. Just family testimony. Just asking have you seen something I did not.

[JackiBlu]

Why would she talk to you Jack? In cases like this the family receives hundreds of phone calls. They don't usually talk to strangers calling for fear of misinformation getting out. And as I said in every case there is always one that claims to have connection and inside information from the family. It is usually believed those posters are the family trying to improve their image.
MO

I don't know why she did. I wasn't expecting it. The reason I called was the website Ron's attorney put up had the wrong height and eye color for Haleigh. I emailed the attorney and the site still wasn't changed after a week. So I thought the family should know it was wrong.

It is now fixed on the home page but I hadn't noticed that it wasn't fixed on another.

She was very nice to me when I called and we talked for about an hour. I didn't ask her anything about the case. I would not have felt comfortable with that. Maybe that is why she talked to me one grandma to another.

She sent me an email the other day to call anytime so I have talked to her again.

If you want to believe me you can if not don't.

[HouseOfClark]

Yea,,,,,,,, the skin can swell so much from the edema, the fluid actually leaks through the skin.:wink:

So where's the evidence that Haleigh had leaky hands?

Why was this NEVER mentioned by any family member when they made their numerous interviews? In fact, the Turner's was given barely a blip by any of them. MOO

[Scampi]

But the important point to make of your posting is, you are not involved in this investigation, neither am I,so what we believe is not important in finding the kidnapper and bring this individual to justice and finding Haleigh. Just a place for many to vent..Flintstone here..

Sorry, that was not the point I was making with my post.

[JackiBlu]

Jacki, I will back you on your contact with GGM. Nice lady...

Thank you bam bam. I really enjoyed talking with her.

[Motomom]

I have. And did not see doctor confirmation. Just family testimony. Just asking have you seen something I did not.

I'll answer your questions when you start answering my questions..how's that? :wink:

I believe she has turners like was said by both families.

[diamond]

I'll answer your questions when you start answering my questions..how's that? :wink:

I believe she has turners like was said by both families.

You did answer the question. No, you have not seen a doctor's confirmation either.
Thanks.

[Motomom]

You did answer the question. No, you have not seen a doctor's confirmation either.
Thanks.

If you think so :wink:

Do you believe she has turners syndrome?

[JackiBlu]

So, let me ask you this.

IF Haleigh's hands were frequently bandaged, swollen by edema, why didn't GGM Sykes ever mention this to the press or anybody that might have seen Haleigh as being something to look for? Isn't that something that would have been important to note?

From reading on this it isn't something that happens on a daily or frequent basis. I'm sure if the press would have asked why her hands were bandaged in the picture their question would have been answered.

When I asked about the bandages I had no idea that it had to do with Turners Syndrome.

JMO

[Peaches]

I have not seen a doctor's statement confirming Turner's. Was there a doctor's statement given to the court?


This was were it was verified that Crystal had missed 12 doctor's appointment for Haleigh.

Also, Ron stated that Haleigh's doctor was willing to come to court because she needed medical treatments. We all know that most doctors do not willing go to court. Too much time........loss of money and they just do not want to get involved. moo

Crystal's mother was there and she would have spoken up if this were not true. She did many times and the judge had her sworn in to allow her to talk.

It's all there...............look on the link thread.

moo

[diamond]

This was were it was verified that Crystal had missed 12 doctor's appointment for Haleigh.

Also, Ron stated that Haleigh's doctor was willing to come to court because she needed medical treatments. We all know that most doctors do not willing go to court. Too much time........loss of money and they just do not want to get involved. moo

Crystal's mother was there and she would have spoken up if this were not true. She did many times and the judge had her sworn in to allow her to talk.

It's all there...............look on the link thread.

moo

It does not cost anything for the doctor to provide a statement and the treatment plan.

[Peaches]

I don't know why she did. I wasn't expecting it. The reason I called was the website Ron's attorney put up had the wrong height and eye color for Haleigh. I emailed the attorney and the site still wasn't changed after a week. So I thought the family should know it was wrong.

It is now fixed on the home page but I hadn't noticed that it wasn't fixed on another.

She was very nice to me when I called and we talked for about an hour. I didn't ask her anything about the case. I would not have felt comfortable with that. Maybe that is why she talked to me one grandma to another.

She sent me an email the other day to call anytime so I have talked to her again.

If you want to believe me you can if not don't.


I do believe that you have talked with GGM. When you do again, tell her that we are praying that her GGD will come home soon.........and that there are many who do not believe that Ron did anything to this precious child.

Thanks.................

[JackiBlu]

Compression Therapy Considerations
As previously mentioned, pediatric tissues are far more delicate than those found in an adult. Compression therapy can be counterproductive if it is not administered with great care and skill. This becomes an additional burden to parents and must only be undertaken by responsible and cautious caregivers.

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:jnn6R8d45isJ:www.elymphnotes.org/detail.asp%3Fci%3D57%26it%3DIPI+Turner+Syndrome+ch ild+bandage&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

jmo:wink:

Thank you Candy. I didn't do much research I just took GGM Sykes word on what she told me.

[Peaches]

It does not cost anything for the doctor to provide a statement and the treatment plan.


Maybe so........Ron had a paper showing how many appointments she had missed.

BUT............the fact was the doctor said he was willing to come to court...........speaks volumns to me.
jmo

[Dunlurken]

This was were it was verified that Crystal had missed 12 doctor's appointment for Haleigh.

Also, Ron stated that Haleigh's doctor was willing to come to court because she needed medical treatments. We all know that most doctors do not willing go to court. Too much time........loss of money and they just do not want to get involved. moo

Crystal's mother was there and she would have spoken up if this were not true. She did many times and the judge had her sworn in to allow her to talk.

It's all there...............look on the link thread.

mooI agree. Back when Haleigh went missing it was reported she had Turner's Syndrome and I checked out the website for Turner's Syndrome, which I just did one more time right now. She has the low ears, still not sure about the webbed neck thing (don't have a clue what that means). One sign of Turner is lymphedmia, swelling of the hands and feet. I believe she has Turner Syndrome. I don't think any medication is required for the syndrome itself, just the symptons, which may explain the bandages on her hands.

JMO.

[seeker]

FA............thanks for this article.

At the very end, I read that Ron, Jr. would have been removed from Ron's home if they thought he was in danger.

That seems to answer the question -------- Is Ron, Jr. in danger living with his dad. The answer is NO.

Thanks for furnishing this for us.

jmo



<my bolding>

No reply needed, per Peache's request of me. I come in Peace, but stand up for Truth.

No baiting, just a quest for truth and justice.

my thoughts and opinions.

[JackiBlu]

While I appreciate your suggestion, the poster making the claims is not a pediatric specialists who treats Turner's Syndrome.
And it is not confirmed that the bandages Haleigh is wearing are compression therapy.

Diamond I asked about the picture that had been released to the press that had the bandages. I think I even said did Haleigh burn or scrape her hands. That is when GGM Sykes asked me if I knew that Haleigh had Turners Syndrome.

I never claimed to be a pediatric specialist. When I got off the phone I looked it up. Those are the links I provided in my posts.

[dustyk]

Did she actually say that on National TV??? I say NOT???:rolleyes:
Yes she did...one of the first interviews....I remember it vividly JMO

[JackiBlu]

no, you were not taking the 'real' Oxycontin, if you were taking Percocet...all are in the same family though, including Lortab, Endocet & a couple of others also..they all have oxycodone in them..



Thanks Mel. I knew what I wasn't taking maybe just not explaining it right.

[diamond]

Maybe so........Ron had a paper showing how many appointments she had missed.

BUT............the fact was the doctor said he was willing to come to court...........speaks volumns to me.
jmo

Ron lied about so many things in court. Anybody can create false documents for court and say the doctor said he is willing to come. That does not make anything Ron said true.

[Mel]

Did she actually say that on National TV??? I say NOT???:rolleyes:

yes, she did..

[JackiBlu]

JackiBlu,

Thank you.

2 different posters have quoted me wrong in the last 3 minutes so I think it is time for me to "read" only because I do not want trouble with anyone.

Jacki, keep posting and keep them honest.............using facts not rumors or opinions.

TIA:wub:

Come on Peaches don't let some drive you off. I enjoy your posts!!!!!!

[dustyk]

I'd ask for a link but......
If you want to see the link go look for it. I don't need to find it...I saw it already. JMO

[seeker]

Sorry I forgot the JMO, but since abuse hasn't been substantiated and Turner's HAS, and her GGM backs this up, I think it's more logical to consider the Turners related lymphedema. JMO


Anette Sykes backs it up? A question.

For fairness sake, why are we to believe what Ron's Grandmother says regarding Haleigh never being abused (if she has said that) but not believe Haleigh's mom, with the words coming straight from Crystal's mouth, stating that she beleives her children have been physically abused by Ronald Cummings?

I am unable to follow your reasoning.

my opinion

[Mel]

I'd ask for a link but......

it was very early on, in a video interview with Misty...it's in a video link somewhere, i'm sure, but like i said; it was very early on..that's how a lot of us learned Ron had another child with another girlfriend, to start with...it started a huge discussion here, about him having another child 'out there'.....

[dustyk]

If you want to see the link go look for it. I don't need to find it...I saw it already. JMO
Maybe Jacki can ask GGM IMO

[JackiBlu]

I do believe that you have talked with GGM. When you do again, tell her that we are praying that her GGD will come home soon.........and that there are many who do not believe that Ron did anything to this precious child.

Thanks.................

Peaches I do tell her that not everyone believes all the rumors. I just hope that eases some of the hurt she must be feeling.

I will tell her for sure.

[dustyk]

Peaches I do tell her that not everyone believes all the rumors. I just hope that eases some of the hurt she must be feeling.

I will tell her for sure.
And Pleasse tell her to tell Misty to get her story straight as it would help improve their image JMO

[diamond]

And Pleasse tell her to tell Misty to get her story straight as it would help improve their image JMO

Ask her to please explain the reason Misty can't keep her story straight. What is the reason for the tatts. Why the quickie wedding. What Ron is doing now to find his daughter.
So many unanswered questions.

[JackiBlu]

Maybe so........Ron had a paper showing how many appointments she had missed.

BUT............the fact was the doctor said he was willing to come to court...........speaks volumns to me.
jmo

I'm not saying this to put Crystal down; but Crystal did admitt in court that she did miss all the appointments that Ron had shown the court. Haleigh must have had something serious to have had so many doctor appointments. Turners Syndrome was not denied by Crrysal or her mom in court. It is in the transcripts on the link page.

JMO

[seeker]

Seeker, I went back and re-read the post and unless my eyes are deceiving me , I read, This is NOT finished. Maybe you can clarify where you state
"this is finished". TIA
BamBam, I re-posted her original post, the one I first responded to. (Addition of my post, with bolding and underling).
Originally Posted by seeker View Post
Hi again,

I'm confused. In your post, that I responded to, you said that this is finished and we now know that there is no abuse.

(Not your exact wording. I will go back and quote your original post if you need me to).

And another question for you, if you don't mind continuing this discussion:

What do you mean by this?

"Things are sounding good" (your words above)

my thoughts and questions

[JackiBlu]

That's probably because no one said that. This is how things get twisted, imo.

Someone is claiming contact with a family member and uses it often in her, "I'm right, you're wrong" arguments.

I find her claims highly doubtful as well as typical.

MO

Tiffany you can believe me or not. I have no reason to lie about it. I haven't used that in my arguments of I'm right and your wrong. When someone asked me for proof on the bandages today is when I mentioned it. That is the proof I have and GGM Sykes telling me was good enough for me.

Like I said......I have NO reason to lie. Why would I?

[Mimi428]

Maybe so........Ron had a paper showing how many appointments she had missed.

BUT............the fact was the doctor said he was willing to come to court...........speaks volumns to me.
jmo

When you can show us where the DOCTOR said that, it's a fact.

The fact that Ron SAID that, is just 'Ron said that'.

If you want to apply the "it's not a fact because somebody said so" rule, apply it to all of them.

Because by the measuring stick you just used, it would be a FACT that Ron is the father of Amber's baby - because Amber said so & so did others.

And if we use the measuring stick you just used, it would be a FACT that Ron was abusive to his girlfriends, because both Crystal & Amber have stated that.

JMO

[2boysMom]

Anette Sykes backs it up? A question.

For fairness sake, why are we to believe what Ron's Grandmother says regarding Haleigh never being abused (if she has said that) but not believe Haleigh's mom, with the words coming straight from Crystal's mouth, stating that she beleives her children have been physically abused by Ronald Cummings?

I am unable to follow your reasoning.

my opinion






I never said anybody should believe GGM about Ron not abusing Haleigh. Please read it again. I said I believe GGM about the bandages being for lymphedema related to her Turner's. I did, however, in another post say that abuse has not been proven IMO.

[dustyk]

And all without proof of him doing anything to Haleigh. I could see it there was a little bit of proof, but I haven't seen any yet.
So you are saying because some posters bash Ronald is the reason for bashing Crystal. Doesn't seem right either way.IMO

[dustyk]

I don't remember Misty saying that...
Where were you at the beginning of this...It was one of the very first videos, plain as could be. IMO

[JackiBlu]

It does not cost anything for the doctor to provide a statement and the treatment plan.

Diamond I think Ron had a statement but the Judge said the doctor would have to come to court and testify confirming the statement. May not be the exact wording but close. I could look it up if you want.


JMO

[carlybarly]

Do you have proof of Haleigh or Jr. being abused? Does anyone have actual proof? Because of your strong feelings against Ron, what are you basing it on?? Some of us on here feel if there is proof, not hear say, not rumors, but actual proof, we could maybe change our views of the whole situation.

Totally agree with you here bullyjo! Shouldn't the question be, where is the proof he is not where is the proof he isn't? And yes seeker, all of your post indicate your very strong feelings on whatever you are posting about, but those strong feelings are all negative towards Ron especially if there could be another reason for anything besides Ron was abusive. Where is the fairness you asked all of us to have about Crystal? Why must everyone be fair to Crystal while you are horribly negative about Ron without knowing the man personally?

[2boysMom]

Ron lied about so many things in court. Anybody can create false documents for court and say the doctor said he is willing to come. That does not make anything Ron said true.

Can you post some of the "many things" he lied about in court? Thanks.

[Owlface]

Maybe so........Ron had a paper showing how many appointments she had missed.

BUT............the fact was the doctor said he was willing to come to court...........speaks volumns to me.
jmo

What message do you take away from that?

[Mel]

I don't remember Misty saying that...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

Croslin said she met Cummings about six months ago when she was baby-sitting for a woman who had a child with Cummings.

Croslin said she was concerned the baby boy was not being cared for properly.

“I told him you need to get your son before something bad happens to him,” she said. Croslin said the two started talking. She was 16 at the time.

found the above, but Misty also said the very same thing in a live interview around the 1st week of March...can't find the video interview, but i'm sure it's in the links thread..(same place i found this)

[JackiBlu]

Anette Sykes backs it up? A question.

For fairness sake, why are we to believe what Ron's Grandmother says regarding Haleigh never being abused (if she has said that) but not believe Haleigh's mom, with the words coming straight from Crystal's mouth, stating that she beleives her children have been physically abused by Ronald Cummings?

I am unable to follow your reasoning.

my opinion




I never said GGM Sykes never said she was abused. Never would I ask such a question. I have told you at least 2 times the posters that were saying abuse TO HALEIGH'S HANDS because they were bandaged is not true. Her hands were bandaged because of a condtion caused by Turners Syndrome. HANDS ONLY!!!!!!

[Texas48]

I'll answer your questions when you start answering my questions..how's that? :wink:

I believe she has turners like was said by both families.Mom..did u get your pm? Thanks

[seeker]

FA............thanks for this article.

At the very end, I read that Ron, Jr. would have been removed from Ron's home if they thought he was in danger.

That seems to answer the question -------- Is Ron, Jr. in danger living with his dad. The answer is NO.

Thanks for furnishing this for us.

jmo

I am SO SORRY! I feel like a complete idiot. I just read your words again and realized you said FURNISHED, NOT FINISHED.

I hope you'll accept my apology.

Sincerely,
seeker

[Owlface]

Ron lied about so many things in court. Anybody can create false documents for court and say the doctor said he is willing to come. That does not make anything Ron said true.

Even if the doctor was factually willing to come to court - of what significance to Ron's parenting ability does that prove, or Crystal's for that matter? There is an implication that the doctor would testify that Crystal was a bad mom for not bringing Haleigh for her appts. I think the doctor would have testified that one of the parents should of and he really wouldn't have cared as long as one did. Haleigh had two parents - it was equally their responsibility to do so.

I agree about the Ron lying thing.

[JackiBlu]

I'd ask for a link but......

Lizzie you should know better. We aren't suppose to ask for a link but just believe. Or there is always if we want a link go find it ourselves.


JMO

[2boysMom]

Even if the doctor was factually willing to come to court - of what significance to Ron's parenting ability does that prove, or Crystal's for that matter? There is an implication that the doctor would testify that Crystal was a bad mom for not bringing Haleigh for her appts. I think the doctor would have testified that one of the parents should of and he really wouldn't have cared as long as one did. Haleigh had two parents - it was equally their responsibility to do so.

I agree about the Ron lying thing.

Then maybe you wouldn't mind telling me what Ron lied about in court. Thanks.

[diamond]

Thank you FA, I don't either and no one has posted a link to it so I will continue to believe it was never spoken on NT.
bbl

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-02-16/story/search_for_haleigh_scales_back

There is the link. It is already posted twice on the board.

[bama__angel]

Then maybe you wouldn't mind telling me what Ron lied about in court. Thanks.



I'd kinda like to see this myself......Thanks also.....

[HouseOfClark]

Lizzie you should know better. We aren't suppose to ask for a link but just believe. Or there is always if we want a link go find it ourselves.


JMO

Now wait a minute. You have no links to your conversations with GGM Sykes and we are asked to "just believe" you, no?

[JackiBlu]

Ask her to please explain the reason Misty can't keep her story straight. What is the reason for the tatts. Why the quickie wedding. What Ron is doing now to find his daughter.
So many unanswered questions.

I would never treat her with so much disrespect. It is not up to her to answer for others actions. That is really cruel to even suggest such a thing.

JMO

[dustyk]

Now wait a minute. You have no links to your conversations with GGM Sykes and we are asked to "just believe" you, no?
Craziest thing I have ver seen...I quit searching for links, they are either not read or ignored...The link to Misty saying she met Ronald while babysitting his child with Amber was posted here twice.IMO

[diamond]

I would never treat her with so much disrespect. It is not up to her to answer for others actions. That is really cruel to even suggest such a thing.

JMO

Why? The tatts and wedding are facts. Yet you can ask and discuss the pictures of bandaged hands to excuse those and defend the abuse allegations.

How convenient.

MO

[dustyk]

I don't learn quick. hammer me.
Did you finally see the links...IMO

[Peaches]

BamBam, I re-posted her original post, the one I first responded to. (Addition of my post, with bolding and underling).
Originally Posted by seeker View Post
Hi again,

I'm confused. In your post, that I responded to, you said that this is finished and we now know that there is no abuse.

(Not your exact wording. I will go back and quote your original post if you need me to).

And another question for you, if you don't mind continuing this discussion:

What do you mean by this?

"Things are sounding good" (your words above)

my thoughts and questions


Seeker, I have answered this already but will try again.

You are quoting a post made by Fallen Angel where she posted the OP............with the link to this article.
************************************************** **
Fallen Angel's post is as follows. You can find it on PAGE 1 today.

05-08-2009, 10:16 AM
FallenAngel-
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,054

Did yall read TJH's new post?

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


Things are sounding good. __________________
Stone: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

Cobra: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.

************************************************** *


I have bolded and printed in red your question and the answer.

I hope this helps put this to REST..............TIA

[HouseOfClark]

Craziest thing I have ver seen...I quit searching for links, they are either not read or ignored...The link to Misty saying she met Ronald while babysitting his child with Amber was posted here twice.IMO

Twice just today.

Many more times before.

[HouseOfClark]

Why? The tatts and wedding are facts. Yet you can ask and discuss the pictures of bandaged hands to excuse those and defend the abuse allegations.

How convenient.

MO

And the wedding was even in GGM Sykes' backyard.

[Peaches]

What message do you take away from that?



Owl..............the message I take from this is that the doctor thought that it was very important to Haleigh for her to be seen by a doctor for her TS. She had to have "shots" to help her grow is my understand.

jmo

[Mel]

Twice just today.

Many more times before.

right....when this came out, this board was 'hoppin' with the buzz of Ron having another child with someone else..it would have eventually come out, i suppose, but Misty offered the info up, early on..

i suppose some that are disputing this, weren't interested in the case from the beginning...or it's just old info & some simply forgot..

eta..the "links" thread is very valuable

[Peaches]

Even if the doctor was factually willing to come to court - of what significance to Ron's parenting ability does that prove, or Crystal's for that matter? There is an implication that the doctor would testify that Crystal was a bad mom for not bringing Haleigh for her appts. I think the doctor would have testified that one of the parents should of and he really wouldn't have cared as long as one did. Haleigh had two parents - it was equally their responsibility to do so.

I agree about the Ron lying thing.


To me this means that Ron saw the importance of his child being treated by the doctor for TS.

Crystal also missed an appointment for Ron, Jr. ---------- being seen by a heart doctor ---------- Ron told Crystal that he would take Ron, Jr. but Crystal said she would.

This is also in the court documents.

BTW........both Crystal and her mom were there and could have said this was not true............but, since it was, they said nothing.

jmo

[dustyk]

I don't mean to badger you, but I am seriously curious about the many lies
Ron told IN COURT.

This is my second request. Thanks, again.
Go back and read the trascripts and judge for yourself all of these posts are IMO

[Peaches]

Craziest thing I have ver seen...I quit searching for links, they are either not read or ignored...The link to Misty saying she met Ronald while babysitting his child with Amber was posted here twice.IMO


That was Misty talking because Amber had told her this.

Ron said - maybe he had another child. Until it is proven, I will say maybe too.

[Peaches]

Why? The tatts and wedding are facts. Yet you can ask and discuss the pictures of bandaged hands to excuse those and defend the abuse allegations.

How convenient.

MO


When a person is a friend...............they do not try to put down the other when talking to them.

This is what the OP was saying.

They talk about other things............GGM needs someone she can talk with without being grilled.

MOO

[JackiBlu]

Why? The tatts and wedding are facts. Yet you can ask and discuss the pictures of bandaged hands to excuse those and defend the abuse allegations.

How convenient.

MO

Yes because we were just talking about Haleigh's pictures and I was telling her which ones were my favorite. I asked her what happened to Haleigh's hands in the one picture thinking she had fallen down or something. For NO other reason at all.

The other things are facts but nothing I would ever ask. That was never my intention when calling her. Why can't some see how disrespectful that would be to ask Haleigh's GGM such things?

[HouseOfClark]

That was Misty talking because Amber had told her this.

Ron said - maybe he had another child. Until it is proven, I will say maybe too.

Right, so Ron just shows up at Amber's house while Misty is there...because????? And Misty feels this need to inform HIM (a total stranger to her) that HE needed to take the baby....because????

On the other hand, Misty might have been used to having gentlemen callers while she was babysitting for other people's children.

Maybe she told another total stranger that HE needed to take Haleigh?

MOO

[Owlface]

To me this means that Ron saw the importance of his child being treated by the doctor for TS.
Crystal also missed an appointment for Ron, Jr. ---------- being seen by a heart doctor ---------- Ron told Crystal that he would take Ron, Jr. but Crystal said she would.

This is also in the court documents.

BTW........both Crystal and her mom were there and could have said this was not true............but, since it was, they said nothing.

jmo

My bolding - this is what I don't understand - if Ron thought it was so important why didn't he make sure Haleigh got to her appts.?

[JackiBlu]

and I have no reason to doubt you, it would be like calling you a liar, that would be pretty rude, IMO

Thank you X. If I knew it was going to be this big of a deal I would never have mentioned it. I'm still trying to figure out what some think my reason to lie about this would be. I have no inside scoop; we just talked grandma to grandma.

[HouseOfClark]

My bolding - this is what I don't understand - if Ron thought it was so important why didn't he make sure Haleigh got to her appts.?

Instead of waiting until 12 had been missed?

ITA

[2boysMom]

Go back and read the trascripts and judge for yourself all of these posts are IMO

I was asking diamond what he thought were lies. But thanks for the helpful reply.

[diamond]

I don't mean to badger you, but I am seriously curious about the many lies
Ron told IN COURT.

This is my second request. Thanks, again.

I can read more into the documents than most. I write depos. I can spot the liars using the children as weapons against the other parent and I can spot those that are just so tired of the fighting that they can't fight any longer. I can spot those that are so defeated by abuse they are afraid to fight. I have seen clients bring in falsified documents. Domestic court is not pretty. When the relationship turns into a battlefield it gets ugly and the stronger of the parties wins. The weak run away. I have seen strong personalities on both sides of a domestic dispute discuss the same events from their perspective sides and it does not sound like the same relationship at all. Those are the really ugly fights and can carry on for years in court.

IMO Ron used the doctor's appointments that he as a parent was also responsible for to gain advantage and Crystal was so down beaten she did not fight hard enough.

MO

[Mel]

That was Misty talking because Amber had told her this.

Ron said - maybe he had another child. Until it is proven, I will say maybe too.

LOL...

the whole question was brought up that Misty SAID this...you go off on it being proven the child is Ron's??...that's not even a question, as far as i've read here...you're so funny & predictable:laugh:

[Owlface]

I can read more into the documents than most. I write depos. I can spot the liars using the children as weapons against the other parent and I can spot those that are just so tired of the fighting that they can't fight any longer. I can spot those that are so defeated by abuse they are afraid to fight. I have seen clients bring in falsified documents. Domestic court is not pretty. When the relationship turns into a battlefield it gets ugly and the stronger of the parties wins. The weak run away. I have seen strong personalities on both sides of a domestic dispute discuss the same events from their perspective sides and it does not sound like the same relationship at all. Those are the really ugly fights and can carry on for years in court.

IMO Ron used the doctor's appointments that he as a parent was also responsible for to gain advantage and Crystal was so down beaten she did not fight hard enough.
MO

I totally agree - Ron accepted no responsiblity for his actions (regarding doctor appts) and Crystal accepted total responsibility. These dynamics are just one of the many reasons why I feel that Crystal's claim to be abused by Ron is believable.

[dustyk]

My bolding - this is what I don't understand - if Ron thought it was so important why didn't he make sure Haleigh got to her appts.?
I totally agree with this statement...This is my opinion and my opinion only,(please don't ask for a link) Both parents were responsible for her Dr appt.s. I do believe that Ronald was controlling and I do believe Crystal when she says she wanted to go to work and Ronald didn't want anyone babysitting while she worked and I do believe when he realized she wasn't coming back, he took the children for a vacation or whatever and then he filed for custody. I also believe he went on to have another child with AMber and we have seen what kind of person she is and she was around Haleigh and Jr all of the time, then he moves onto Misty with the same issues as Amber but we are to believe Ronald does not do drugs. Sorry just can't buy that JMO

[JackiBlu]

Perhaps you can record your next conversation and post it on youtube.


NEVER IN A ZILLION YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I know why some think she wouldn't talk to someone she doesn't know. I forget that there are some out there that would do just that.

I'll repeat again........NEVER IN A ZILLION YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[2boysMom]

I can read more into the documents than most. I write depos. I can spot the liars using the children as weapons against the other parent and I can spot those that are just so tired of the fighting that they can't fight any longer. I can spot those that are so defeated by abuse they are afraid to fight. I have seen clients bring in falsified documents. Domestic court is not pretty. When the relationship turns into a battlefield it gets ugly and the stronger of the parties wins. The weak run away. I have seen strong personalities on both sides of a domestic dispute discuss the same events from their perspective sides and it does not sound like the same relationship at all. Those are the really ugly fights and can carry on for years in court.

IMO Ron used the doctor's appointments that he as a parent was also responsible for to gain advantage and Crystal was so down beaten she did not fight hard enough.

MO

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[diamond]

can we assume that strong does not always equal right and weak does not always equal wrong?

Of course we can assume that.

[Scampi]

Jacki, ITA.....give it a rest talk w/GGM Sykes all you want to, I'm sure she needs a friend, just don't mention it here, you'll be better off, KWIM?

You always give excellent advice Madame, thank you.

:wub:

[Peaches]

If the Dr. was "willing to come to court" as was stated by Ron then why did the Dr. not simply provide a statement so that Ron could have given it to the judge at that time rather than to waste the courts time by issuing a subpeona for the Dr's testimony or appearance to be heard at another court date? (Court hearings are very costly FYI)
That makes no sense to me.
For all we know (since no written statement by the Dr. was offered to the Judge at that time) Ron could have simply been lying.


In the CD, Crystal admitted to missing the doctor appointments.

[dustyk]

Yes, IMO Misty is repeating what Amber told her. I'm waiting for DNA.
I understand with all of her inconsistencies I don't blame you. IMO

[Peaches]

Instead of waiting until 12 had been missed?

ITA


Crystal had moved away-----------remember?

[Motomom]

Now wait a minute. You have no links to your conversations with GGM Sykes and we are asked to "just believe" you, no?

Man I must have missed that. I know I've read in her posts that you can believe her or not....

[dustyk]

Yes, IMO Misty is repeating what Amber told her. I'm waiting for DNA.
One would assume after living with Ronald for what 6 or 7 months surely he would have set her straight about that by now. JMO

[Motomom]

maybe they are a new poster because we confirmed all of this in the beginning when Haleigh went missing, I know we did

Oh X I thought you were newer here :biggrin:

[Peaches]

can we assume that strong does not always equal right and weak does not always equal wrong?


MadameX...........:thumbsup:

Just because someone can yell the loudest does not make them right.

Being nice should not be conceived as a weakness.

Your post is right on target! Also, I find your post to be fair for both sides. Thanks for sharing your insight with us.

jmo

[Owlface]

Crystal had moved away-----------remember?

Then I'm sure you can provide a link where you got the information that all 12 appts were missed while Crystal was living with Haleigh and Jr and Ron was not living with them. TIA

[Motomom]

right....when this came out, this board was 'hoppin' with the buzz of Ron having another child with someone else..it would have eventually come out, i suppose, but Misty offered the info up, early on..

i suppose some that are disputing this, weren't interested in the case from the beginning...or it's just old info & some simply forgot..

eta..the "links" thread is very valuable

Saying you don't remember.. is not necesarily disputing the fact is it?

I didn't have to go to the link because I do remember her saying that..

[Motomom]

I don't mean to badger you, but I am seriously curious about the many lies
Ron told IN COURT.

This is my second request. Thanks, again.

Don't hold your breath for it 2boys.. Remember while reading posts, that everything Ron says is a lie :sneaky: ...to some that is :wink:

[dustyk]

ITA because right now i don't believe much that comes out of Misty's mouth.
Wouldn't you think Ronald would have set her straight about that by now imo

[Motomom]

That was Misty talking because Amber had told her this.

Ron said - maybe he had another child. Until it is proven, I will say maybe too.

You know what Peaches.. I believe he could be Ron's child.. or someone elses.. maybe even another persons.. We know that it is quite possible he is Ron's.. we have no proof that he is though and we can't believe Amber on that because we've all seen her recent mug shots. Maybe Ron knows, maybe he knows the child is in good hands with the grandmother? We just don't know anything for sure and when it comes down to it, you and I know.. and others that that little boy has nothing ..at all.. to do with Haleigh's dissappearance..unless amber was involved and even at that point, that poor child still has nothing to do with it.

[Owlface]

If she had missed even five appointments at some point Ron should have done something, anything to make certain for Haleigh's sake that this would never happen again. Instead he allowed 12 (TWELVE) appointments to be missed before anything was said? Then he brings it up into the court of Family Law as if it were a serious issue?
Makes me wonder about this whole mess here even more.

What I find most interesting about the missed doctor's appts is that Ron supporters feel this is why Ron is a better father than Crystal. I don't get it at all.

[JackiBlu]

Easy, Jacki. Consider the source.:wink:


I know Lizzie. Just had to get that out. I've done my vent and no more taking the bait.

[Motomom]

Instead of waiting until 12 had been missed?

ITA

I see what you are saying here.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is just another way to blame Ron for Crystals mistakes? gotcha.. However I do understand what you are saying... but I also think that those appts that were missed, were possibly rescheduled at some point?? That would make sense.. not that she hadn't been seen for 12 appts and Ron let it go completely, just to make Crystal.. well look like she looked I guess. I can't imagine not rescheduling 12 appts.

[dustyk]

If she had missed even five appointments at some point Ron should have done something, anything to make certain for Haleigh's sake that this would never happen again. Instead he allowed 12 (TWELVE) appointments to be missed before anything was said? Then he brings it up into the court of Family Law as if it were a serious issue?
Makes me wonder about this whole mess here even more.
He was getting as much on her as he could while this was going on,, what really scares me is DCFS has investigated him before and said the children were not in danger while living among drug addicts such as Amber, probably Misty and then she goes missing. The system has truly failed Haleigh and hopefully not Jr this time. JMO

[Motomom]

As far as I have ever heard or known a Dr's statement would not have been ignored (it would have been admitted into evidence) nor would the judge have demanded that the Dr. had to come in to testify in person for his statement to be acceptable...unless of course there is the possibility... that the Judge might have thought that the Dr's written testimony could possibly be forged???

Well a statement given to a judge would maybe have to be notarized.. hard to forge that..less Ron knows some notaries that would be willing to lie.

[Motomom]

I can read more into the documents than most. I write depos. I can spot the liars using the children as weapons against the other parent and I can spot those that are just so tired of the fighting that they can't fight any longer. I can spot those that are so defeated by abuse they are afraid to fight. I have seen clients bring in falsified documents. Domestic court is not pretty. When the relationship turns into a battlefield it gets ugly and the stronger of the parties wins. The weak run away. I have seen strong personalities on both sides of a domestic dispute discuss the same events from their perspective sides and it does not sound like the same relationship at all. Those are the really ugly fights and can carry on for years in court.

IMO Ron used the doctor's appointments that he as a parent was also responsible for to gain advantage and Crystal was so down beaten she did not fight hard enough.

MO

Well not for nothing but when it comes to our children, we should all fight till the death.. if that is what it takes, to keep our babies safe. IMO of course.

[Mel]

Thank you Mel,...did you ever find that link where the LE have verified where Crystal was the night Haleigh went missing?

you're very welcome:smile:

i never looked, but you can find it, most likely in the early links in the "links" thread....i'm waiting on Drew Peterson to face formal charges for 1st degree murder, on live TV right now..

it was reported that Crystal's whereabouts the night of Haleigh's disappearance, was verified...again, i don't remember it being mentioned about Chad...also, in the "links thread" there's a report very early on that only Misty & Ron were polygraphed, almost immediately after Haleigh's disappearance, not Crystal....only makes sense though, since Haleigh actually lived with Ron & Misty...

go hunt it up..shouldn't be too hard to find...remember this was all reported early on, along with LE clearing the AC guy:smile:

[dustyk]

No argument here. I have never disputed that Misty has inconsistencies.
Then why do you think Ronald would marry her if she is so inconsistent with her statements? JMO

[bama__angel]

I see what you are saying here.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is just another way to blame Ron for Crystals mistakes? gotcha.. However I do understand what you are saying... but I also think that those appts that were missed, were possibly rescheduled at some point?? That would make sense.. not that she hadn't been seen for 12 appts and Ron let it go completely, just to make Crystal.. well look like she looked I guess. I can't imagine not rescheduling 12 appts.



My dad loved the Beatles and I guess because of this so do I...".Living is easy with eyes closed".....a great line from Lennon......This is how I see that Crystal has lived her life....IMO...Maybe the last 3 months or so have opened her eyes.....I hope so...

[Motomom]

JMO
The whole contacting the players in this terrible tragedy thing seems rather narcissistic condering the fact that the people contacting them are just people who are participating in online sleuth message boards and have no ties to LE or other investigators who are working on this case (or other)....Almost scary.

JMO

It can be scary.. I imagine very scary for the family.. very bothersome for peoples jobs too when outsiders call to verify employment, or seek information LE already has.. appreciated by many but still.. But when you have a victems family willing to talk to strangers, and lawyers willing to talk to strangers, they must not mind?? IDK.. I don't know if I would be so willing to talk to strangers but I'm not in their shoes.

[Peaches]

You know what Peaches.. I believe he could be Ron's child.. or someone elses.. maybe even another persons.. We know that it is quite possible he is Ron's.. we have no proof that he is though and we can't believe Amber on that because we've all seen her recent mug shots. Maybe Ron knows, maybe he knows the child is in good hands with the grandmother? We just don't know anything for sure and when it comes down to it, you and I know.. and others that that little boy has nothing ..at all.. to do with Haleigh's dissappearance..unless amber was involved and even at that point, that poor child still has nothing to do with it.


BRAVO.............:thumbsup:

I think this child should not be in the mix. He is innocent and did not choose either of his parents. Bless him!

It seems the GGM truly loves him and I pray that he is well cared for.

BTW............you do not see everyone talking about Crystal's 3rd child and bringing her name here all the time. She too should not have her name everywhere.

jmo

[Owlface]

I see what you are saying here.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is just another way to blame Ron for Crystals mistakes? gotcha.. However I do understand what you are saying... but I also think that those appts that were missed, were possibly rescheduled at some point?? That would make sense.. not that she hadn't been seen for 12 appts and Ron let it go completely, just to make Crystal.. well look like she looked I guess. I can't imagine not rescheduling 12 appts.

Why are you so all-fire sure that it was Crystal's sole responsibility to take the children to doctor's appts? It was both parent's responsbility, equally. And I'm being generous here - since Ron purported himself to "be the better parent" he had more of the responsibility.

[Peaches]

hahahahaha that remark is downright hilarious, IMO

maybe we could give the baby to someone who is capable of giving it a good start in life, I would be happy with that.


Hopefully, X, the GGM who is taking care of him will be allowed to give him the care and love he needs.

Since he is special needs, he will need a lot of attention. jmo

[Motomom]

he has no clue if the babies his or not......i hope he gets dna test and get custody of the baby.

OH FA I do disagree here. I mean, I hope he gets the dna test to support the child.. and maybe when he is back to work (if he isn't already) and has his own place..maybe go after the child then..but this little boy should remain with his great grandmother IMO. He does not need to be brought into this mess right now and Ron does not need to be caring for another child at this point in time. Maybe in the future.. but not right now. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Yes, IMO Misty is repeating what Amber told her. I'm waiting for DNA.

Why would she tell Ron that HE needed to "take the child"?

Did Ron correct her at that time and tell her the child wasn't his? If so, why is she still repeating the story that they met while she was babysitting for one of his children?

[JackiBlu]

I see what you are saying here.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is just another way to blame Ron for Crystals mistakes? gotcha.. However I do understand what you are saying... but I also think that those appts that were missed, were possibly rescheduled at some point?? That would make sense.. not that she hadn't been seen for 12 appts and Ron let it go completely, just to make Crystal.. well look like she looked I guess. I can't imagine not rescheduling 12 appts.

It could be that Crystal didn't tell Ron she had missed the appointments and he didn't know how many until he took Haleigh to the doctor when he had the children. This Is Just My Opinion!


JMO

[Motomom]

hey aren't you the hairdresser????:w00t:that never has a bad hair day?? LOL I have read the board alot, from the day after Haleigh went missing in fact

YEP.... good memory :biggrin:

I thought you were really new new though LOL.. I mean if you were here before in different clothes I forget the outfit.. then I'm not good at picking clothes out anyways lol.

One thing I keep thinking about with this case.. I never really followed a case this closely where the child was never found. I'm not sure if I can kwim?

[Motomom]

hahahahaha that remark is downright hilarious, IMO

maybe we could give the baby to someone who is capable of giving it a good start in life, I would be happy with that.

I already posted about it but I agree here.. he needs to stay with the ggm if she is providing for him and taking care of him.

[Peaches]

It could be that Crystal didn't tell Ron she had missed the appointments and he didn't know how many until he took Haleigh to the doctor when he had the children. This Is Just My Opinion!


JMO


That is the conclusion that I came to after reading the court documents. In them, it also said that ggm was willing to drive Crystal with Haleigh to the doctor.

jmo

[Motomom]

quit being the fish and be the fishing pole for a change!! or let's just throw all the bait cans away and be done with it, what do you think?

Best idea I have heard.. I was thinking of it before I got back to the computer. I wish the constant bickering and nitpicking on each other would stop (I'm guilty of it too a bit.. but just a little :closedeyes: ) No reason we can't discuss this case with an open mind and differing opinions.. besides i can't handle another night of stress.. :scared:

[Motomom]

you're very welcome:smile:

i never looked, but you can find it, most likely in the early links in the "links" thread....i'm waiting on Drew Peterson to face formal charges for 1st degree murder, on live TV right now..

it was reported that Crystal's whereabouts the night of Haleigh's disappearance, was verified...again, i don't remember it being mentioned about Chad...also, in the "links thread" there's a report very early on that only Misty & Ron were polygraphed, almost immediately after Haleigh's disappearance, not Crystal....only makes sense though, since Haleigh actually lived with Ron & Misty...

go hunt it up..shouldn't be too hard to find...remember this was all reported early on, along with LE clearing the AC guy:smile:

You do realize that Crystal was polygraphed though right? I'm not sure about Chad though.

[Motomom]

Then why do you think Ronald would marry her if she is so inconsistent with her statements? JMO

Keep your friends close and enemies closer.. that's the only acceptable reason I can come up with myself.

ETA.. that probably is not why, but my thoughts on it

[JackiBlu]

quit being the fish and be the fishing pole for a change!! or let's just throw all the bait cans away and be done with it, what do you think?

ITA!!! This case just gets to me more than any other. I knew it was getting to me when I went out to get more coffee and put my cup under the ice dispenser...now that is bad!!!!!!!!!!!

[Motomom]

My dad loved the Beatles and I guess because of this so do I...".Living is easy with eyes closed".....a great line from Lennon......This is how I see that Crystal has lived her life....IMO...Maybe the last 3 months or so have opened her eyes.....I hope so...

I hope they have for her sake, and her childrens sake. Sometimes it takes a horrible tragedy such as this, to wake someone up though.

[HouseOfClark]

I see what you are saying here.. I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume this is just another way to blame Ron for Crystals mistakes? gotcha.. However I do understand what you are saying... but I also think that those appts that were missed, were possibly rescheduled at some point?? That would make sense.. not that she hadn't been seen for 12 appts and Ron let it go completely, just to make Crystal.. well look like she looked I guess. I can't imagine not rescheduling 12 appts.

You would be assuming wrong.

[diamond]

That is the conclusion that I came to after reading the court documents. In them, it also said that ggm was willing to drive Crystal with Haleigh to the doctor.

jmo

But not willing to take the child to the doctor herself? Only to drive Crystal there.
Not believable. That is a story to back up Ron.

MO

[Mel]

it's NOT in the link section. i spent all day reading all the links the other day. and i'm not asking about Chad i'm asking about Crystal. and YES i know they cleared the AC man.

and Crystal took a LDT with in just a few days of Haleigh being missing. and Ron said on Greta he ASKED for the LE to give him a LDT, they gave him and misty one and then days later Crystal took hers and then the rest of the family was asked to take one.

oooookie dokie:cool:

[Motomom]

Why are you so all-fire sure that it was Crystal's sole responsibility to take the children to doctor's appts? It was both parent's responsbility, equally. And I'm being generous here - since Ron purported himself to "be the better parent" he had more of the responsibility.

Because Crystal owned up to it, that's why. So she must have taken on the responsibility of that. I don't expect my husband to take off of work to take my kids to the doctors. That's silly. I'm not sure Ron was working, but lets give credit where credit is due.. crystal admitted this. That's all.. JMO

[Peaches]

But not willing to take the child to the doctor herself? Only to drive Crystal there.
Not believable. That is a story to back up Ron.

MO



Crystal EVEN explained why she did not want to ride with ggm..........go read it in the link thread.

[Motomom]

It could be that Crystal didn't tell Ron she had missed the appointments and he didn't know how many until he took Haleigh to the doctor when he had the children. This Is Just My Opinion!


JMO

Another possibility Jacki.

[Mel]

You do realize that Crystal was polygraphed though right? I'm not sure about Chad though.

yes, Motomom, i realize that...by now, i'd say Chad probably has been also..

[Motomom]

Dr.s statements, school records etc... do not need to be notarized.

Well then why would there be a concern of forgery? I'm not following that.. but I do have a 10 page report here from the school that I need for court that is not notarized but the vp of the school said is an official court document. It has 3 signatures on it though. So does the court require more than one signature then?

[Mel]

Keep your friends close and enemies closer.. that's the only acceptable reason I can come up with myself.

ETA.. that probably is not why, but my thoughts on it

i agree...that's the only acceptable reason i can come up with also

[JackiBlu]

Yet you come here and repeat what she allegedly says on a message board. :glare:

Sorry not taking the bait. JUST SKIP AND SCROLL
Have a nice day

[Motomom]

glad i didn't say when he should do it :thumbsup:

:tonguewag:

Right you are..

Can you imagine opening that can of worms now.. oh my..

[Mel]

ITA!!! This case just gets to me more than any other. I knew it was getting to me when I went out to get more coffee and put my cup under the ice dispenser...now that is bad!!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh:.....

[JackiBlu]

I'm not buying that. If Haleigh's condition were so bad that it warranted being seen by a Dr. then you would think that Ron (or his Mother) would have taken her to the Dr. themselves at that time when they themselves noticed her condition and would have found out about these missed appointments then.
JMO

I was just giving a possible reason why it got up to 12 missed appointments.

JMO