Will Media Challenge Obama's False Claim of Creating 150,000 Jobs?

[bagerroness]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2009/04/30/will-media-challenge-obamas-false-claim-creating-150-000-jobs

Where are these jobs? how do they get these numbers? are these all "green jobs" or will some be in manufacturing? will factories be shut down? never to re-open? no one seems to have any answer.. imo

[Charms]

Where is your patience? Where is your hope? Where is your faith in rebuilding America?

These threads that continue to bash our president and our country are counter productive and repetitive.

As a lifetime democrat I always supported every president, except the last one for obvious reasons. But my point is don't use every minute opportunity to bash our leader when he has inherited a massive obligation. That is in indication of another reason of your discontent.
Are you not proud that we have made history?? Are you unhappy that your party lost by such a large margin?
Whatever your issue, I hope you will see the light as many others have.

[bagerroness]

Anyone who went to school should remember the history of this country and why we are even a independent country today.

Those who lived in Colonies then did not agree much either. Half wanted independence while the other half wanted to follow what King George wanted. When the king began over taxing the colonists, it was then that only half of the colonists decided to rebel and fight for independence. And even after the war, the loyalists were still loyal to the king and waited for him to reclaim this country as part of England.

History does repeat itself and what we are seeing now is a replay of what was going on back then whether people want to see it or not.

In those times, jobs were scarce as well and only farmers could attempt to make a living. But even they were left penniless because the British were taking a large part of their crops to feed the soldiers and ship back to England.

Am I saying a revolution is coming? No, not necessarily. But half of America is angry and the other half claims to be loyal. That puts us all on a fine line and in the midst of that is when others can step in and take advantage. I am afraid we are on the verge of another enemy attack and only then will America realize we have made too many mistakes and will suffer for it.

And then we have to remember how divided this nation was at the onset of the War Between the States. Very divided.

So the only two times we had a division of our own people in our history has proven deadly for Americans. And we are nearing that point once again. Attacking the thoughts and beliefs of each other will just bring that point here much sooner.

My opinion. We have made mistakes but America will always have enemies no matter who the president is.. and I'm in of the mindset to always appease others especially enemies.. the "weak" we appear we become a doormat for the world to beat us up.. imo

[LisaM22]

We have made mistakes but America will always have enemies no matter who the president is.. and I'm in of the mindset to always appease others especially enemies.. the "weak" we appear we become a doormat for the world to beat us up.. imo

after the last administration I would say if America is destroyed it will be from within.... no clue how that was allowed to go on for 8 years, it's amazing that the bush apologizers are criticizing Obama already when he barley just got in office and has been doing a great job so far, yet they never said a word for the last 8 years - republicans complain about spending, YET they spent more during their 8 years they ANY other president in history and the return on the tax payers money was among the least in history, wonder how much just in interest we are paying this year on the spend spend republican administration of the last 8 years? wouldn't be so bad if republicans spent that much investing in America, but they did not, I really have no idea what they spent all those trillions on

[firsttoserve]

names would be great, but i'd settle for the businesses or projects where those 150k jobs are... i went to the transparent recovery.gov for more info... nothing...

i want the administration to create/save millions of jobs... are you so :drool::wub: with obama that he doesn't need to back-up what he says.
imo.

All you have to do is look. Any search engine tells you we are looking up. :confused:

[shiloh2000]

Anyone who went to school should remember the history of this country and why we are even a independent country today.

Those who lived in Colonies then did not agree much either. Half wanted independence while the other half wanted to follow what King George wanted. When the king began over taxing the colonists, it was then that only half of the colonists decided to rebel and fight for independence. And even after the war, the loyalists were still loyal to the king and waited for him to reclaim this country as part of England.

History does repeat itself and what we are seeing now is a replay of what was going on back then whether people want to see it or not.

In those times, jobs were scarce as well and only farmers could attempt to make a living. But even they were left penniless because the British were taking a large part of their crops to feed the soldiers and ship back to England.

Am I saying a revolution is coming? No, not necessarily. But half of America is angry and the other half claims to be loyal. That puts us all on a fine line and in the midst of that is when others can step in and take advantage. I am afraid we are on the verge of another enemy attack and only then will America realize we have made too many mistakes and will suffer for it.

And then we have to remember how divided this nation was at the onset of the War Between the States. Very divided.

So the only two times we had a division of our own people in our history has proven deadly for Americans. And we are nearing that point once again. Attacking the thoughts and beliefs of each other will just bring that point here much sooner.

My opinion.

GREAT post and ITA!

[Carol25]

Obama's Stimulus Oversight Hardly Transparent or Timely
CURL: Stimulus oversight left up to taxpayers

Quote:
So, too, said Earl Devaney, the ex-cop who's now chairman of the Recovery Act Accountability and Transparency Board, charged with tracking the torrent of cash now pouring out of federal coffers.

"I'm going to have millions of citizens to help me," he said, comparing run-of-the-mill Americans to inspectors general, the high-ranking officials charged with ferreting out waste and abuse in federal agencies.

And perhaps that's just as well, given the turnout of the panel tasked with keeping track of thousands of millions of dollars. Just three of the 10 members bothered to show up for the subcommittee's second meeting, dramatically titled "Follow the Money Part II."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/06/stimulus-oversight-left-up-to-taxpayers/ (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/06/stimulus-oversight-left-up-to-taxpayers/)

Details thin on stimulus contracts

President Obama said we would be able to track every penny spent in the Stimulus plan. With this planning?

Quote:
no details on who received the grants and contracts. Agencies won't report that data until Oct. 10,
the board doesn't have enough data storage capacity,
administration's decision to require reporting of only the first two recipients of stimulus spending. Broun said that means if the money goes to a state and then a city, the identities of the city's contractors will be unavailable.
the board will wait six to nine months for the White House Office of Management and Budget to issue new guidance on how far down the spending chain the money must be tracked

.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2009-05-06-stimulus_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2009-05-06-stimulus_N.htm)
And where are the jobs?

[beattherap]

All you have to do is look. Any search engine tells you we are looking up. :confused:
imo, your non-answer means you don't know where those 150,000 jobs are...

for kicks, i did the google thing and the 1st bunch of links were like this thread, all asking, where are those jobs.

[LisaM22]

What is the magic number for time spent in office?

It seems strange to me that he hasn't been in long enough to criticize him, but in the same breath, he gets applauded for doing such a great job. Perhaps he hasn't been in long enough yet to be so complimentary either.

at least wait until he misses up, don't bash him for problems created by the last administration - expecting Obama to fix everything in 3 months is ridiculous - just my two cents

[flareon]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2009/04/30/will-media-challenge-obamas-false-claim-creating-150-000-jobs

Where are these jobs? how do they get these numbers? are these all "green jobs" or will some be in manufacturing? will factories be shut down? never to re-open? no one seems to have any answer.. imo

I doubt it. This has been the problem from the beginning with their wild claims. Their numbers have always been arbitrary and there is no way to prove how much they have been pumped up.

[flareon]

We have made mistakes but America will always have enemies no matter who the president is.. and I'm in of the mindset to always appease others especially enemies.. the "weak" we appear we become a doormat for the world to beat us up.. imo

You're exactly right. Everyone will like you when you are subservient and give them everything they want.

[flareon]

Unemployment rate is up to 8.9 %, which is the highest since 1983.

Layoffs slow to 539K in April; jobless rate rises
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090508/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

I heard someone say that it is too early to tell whether the bleeding has stopped, but that the news isn't entirely good because there isn't any sign that new jobs are being created.

It is going to be hard to really see what is happening because the stimulus overload will artificially show growth when it is only a temporary respite.

[bagerroness]

Obama's Stimulus Oversight Hardly Transparent or Timely
CURL: Stimulus oversight left up to taxpayers

Quote:
So, too, said Earl Devaney, the ex-cop who's now chairman of the Recovery Act Accountability and Transparency Board, charged with tracking the torrent of cash now pouring out of federal coffers.

"I'm going to have millions of citizens to help me," he said, comparing run-of-the-mill Americans to inspectors general, the high-ranking officials charged with ferreting out waste and abuse in federal agencies.

And perhaps that's just as well, given the turnout of the panel tasked with keeping track of thousands of millions of dollars. Just three of the 10 members bothered to show up for the subcommittee's second meeting, dramatically titled "Follow the Money Part II."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/06/stimulus-oversight-left-up-to-taxpayers/ (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/06/stimulus-oversight-left-up-to-taxpayers/)

Details thin on stimulus contracts

President Obama said we would be able to track every penny spent in the Stimulus plan. With this planning?

Quote:
no details on who received the grants and contracts. Agencies won't report that data until Oct. 10,
the board doesn't have enough data storage capacity,
administration's decision to require reporting of only the first two recipients of stimulus spending. Broun said that means if the money goes to a state and then a city, the identities of the city's contractors will be unavailable.
the board will wait six to nine months for the White House Office of Management and Budget to issue new guidance on how far down the spending chain the money must be tracked

.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2009-05-06-stimulus_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2009-05-06-stimulus_N.htm)
And where are the jobs?


Thanks Carol.. it looks like there are alot of disgruntled people who aren't happy with the current administration for many reasons.

[bagerroness]

I heard someone say that it is too early to tell whether the bleeding has stopped, but that the news isn't entirely good because there isn't any sign that new jobs are being created.

It is going to be hard to really see what is happening because the stimulus overload will artificially show growth when it is only a temporary respite.
I'm beginning to wonder IF we will even SEE a show of grow and jobs this year.. waiting till next year will be TOO late for many people. IMO

[ortiga]

Do you think President Obama reads these message boards?

Somehow I don't think so. :biggrin:

Most of this is just background noise that will always be around until they start charging for access to the message boards.

In the meantime, those of us who want the president and his administration to succeed, will just have to ignore the carp (you should see my iggie list, pushing 40 or so) and thank our lucky stars that we have a serious, capable, articulate president AND vice president. Shudder at what could have been had the election turned out differently.

IMO

[ortiga]

snipped Clinging to the hope that America will fail is sad...:sad:


Yes, that's what it seems to be, which is mind-blowing, why would they want the country to fail when so much is at stake.

[beattherap]

Yes, that's what it seems to be, which is mind-blowing, why would they want the country to fail when so much is at stake.

are you so :drool::wub: with obama that even a fair, straight-forward question--- where are those 150,000 jobs--- is seen as wanting the country to fail.

[ortiga]

are you so :drool::wub: with obama that even a fair, straight-forward question--- where are those 150,000 jobs--- is seen as wanting the country to fail.

The thread title said that his claim of job creation is "false", without giving any proof of that claim. Then someone said they didn't know if he was born in Kenya or not. Then, someone said there are millions of people sitting around the kitchen table that the administration has "forgotten about". Then, someone mentioned that in being a doormat we invite someone to beat us up. Then someone got into lack of oversight of stimulus money (never mind that some states are complaining there is too MUCH oversight), then....and then....and then......

Few if any of those posts had anything to do with the title of the link and the thread, saying that Obama made a false claim of job creation. If a person criticizes Obama for not "proving" something is true, do you see how silly it is for that person to claim, without proof, that it is FALSE?

That's why I think it is sad that people want the administration to fail. And then piling on like it's a high school football scrimage.

It's our country, and if he fails....you fail too.

IMO

[Patriot]

(snip) It's our country, and if he fails....you fail too.
IMO

And in millions of other's opinions, if he fails, the country survives. Just the other side of the coin, which is always good to have.

[bagerroness]

Somehow I don't think so. :biggrin:

Most of this is just background noise that will always be around until they start charging for access to the message boards.

In the meantime, those of us who want the president and his administration to succeed, will just have to ignore the carp (you should see my iggie list, pushing 40 or so) and thank our lucky stars that we have a serious, capable, articulate president AND vice president. Shudder at what could have been had the election turned out differently.

IMO

Ignore the fact that closing Guantanamo Bay will release terrorists into society and will make us all less safe.. ignore the fact that the obama congress is spending trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, including our children and unborn grandchildren.. ignore the fact that jobs and homes are being lost on a daily basis.. the only thing obama has succeeded at thus far is having photo ops daily.. IMHO.. keep on cheering for your hero obama things can't get much worse.

[LisaM22]

I doubt it. This has been the problem from the beginning with their wild claims. Their numbers have always been arbitrary and there is no way to prove how much they have been pumped up.

when your losing jobs everyday it is hard to tell just how many were saved that would of been lost, I would agree with you there, but I think the trend is turning, it has only been 3 months, can't expect change to happen overnight, Obama never promised that

[bagerroness]

(snip)

And in millions of other's opinions, if he fails, the country survives. Just the other side of the coin, which is always good to have. and with little confidence by the creators of the stimulus package it looks like we've been set up to fail.. imo :sad:

[Carol25]

The thread title said that his claim of job creation is "false", without giving any proof of that claim. Then someone said they didn't know if he was born in Kenya or not. Then, someone said there are millions of people sitting around the kitchen table that the administration has "forgotten about". Then, someone mentioned that in being a doormat we invite someone to beat us up. Then someone got into lack of oversight of stimulus money (never mind that some states are complaining there is too MUCH oversight), then....and then....and then......

Few if any of those posts had anything to do with the title of the link and the thread, saying that Obama made a false claim of job creation. If a person criticizes Obama for not "proving" something is true, do you see how silly it is for that person to claim, without proof, that it is FALSE?

That's why I think it is sad that people want the administration to fail. And then piling on like it's a high school football scrimage.

It's our country, and if he fails....you fail too.

IMO
Very few want this president to fail. They want him to put policies in place that will turn the economy in place and make good on some of his promises.

I showed you a link where he promised transparency on the stimulus bill. Seven out of 10 people showed up at the meeting. What did this tell us? They didn't intend to meet their obligations in the first place of being transparent on the stimulus bill? I pointed out other actions that nearly make it impossible. Or it is just not a priority?

Prople do want to know. How is the stimulus money being spent and where are the jobs? Just give an update. Soon?

When you say you have 40 people on "iggie," that tells me you refuse to listen or debate your opinions. That number is quite high. I don't think we have 40 unreasonable posters here. But why am I saying this? You have me on "iggie ,right?, lol!

I want this president to be successful. I want his policies to be on the mark, intelligent and still inform the people of how it is going. If it is still too soon to tell, he can say that, too!

[flareon]

(snip)

And in millions of other's opinions, if he fails, the country survives. Just the other side of the coin, which is always good to have.

Absolutely. This country has survived many setbacks and it will certainly be able to survive the debacle of this administration.

[flareon]

Ignore the fact that closing Guantanamo Bay will release terrorists into society and will make us all less safe.. ignore the fact that the obama congress is spending trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, including our children and unborn grandchildren.. ignore the fact that jobs and homes are being lost on a daily basis.. the only thing obama has succeeded at thus far is having photo ops daily.. IMHO.. keep on cheering for your hero obama things can't get much worse.

It's amazing isn't it. I'm smelling a photo op soon. It has been a day. :biggrin:

[Carol25]

Absolutely. This country has survived many setbacks and it will certainly be able to survive the debacle of this administration.
This is only the 5th month of his administration. We can hope he will become more seasoned or gets better advice as time goes on. Perhaps changes in Congress may make some of his policies a little more difficult to take place.

[flareon]

This is only the 5th month of his administration. We can hope he will become more seasoned or gets better advice as time goes on. Perhaps changes in Congress may make some of his policies a little more difficult to take place.

Well, one can hope but for those of us that recognized that he would bring little to the table except for a speech, all of this hasn't come as a shock.

The good thing is if the economy continues to be weak and further debt is incurred, the future elections will clear the table and we can start all over again.

[beattherap]

The thread title said that his claim of job creation is "false", without giving any proof of that claim. Then someone said they didn't know if he was born in Kenya or not. Then, someone said there are millions of people sitting around the kitchen table that the administration has "forgotten about". Then, someone mentioned that in being a doormat we invite someone to beat us up. Then someone got into lack of oversight of stimulus money (never mind that some states are complaining there is too MUCH oversight), then....and then....and then......

Few if any of those posts had anything to do with the title of the link and the thread, saying that Obama made a false claim of job creation. If a person criticizes Obama for not "proving" something is true, do you see how silly it is for that person to claim, without proof, that it is FALSE?

That's why I think it is sad that people want the administration to fail. And then piling on like it's a high school football scrimage.

It's our country, and if he fails....you fail too.

IMO
let's look past the misleading or false article headline and title thread and deal with the substance of the obama claim of creating/saving 150,000 jobs...

in this transparent administration, i should be able to find out what those jobs are--- summer construction, long-term computer tech, teachers and police ?... how many created vs. saved ?... are those jobs in ill. and cal., spread around the country ?...

so far, i can't find the info on recovery.gov or anywhere else.
imo.

[Barbara2]

We barely survived the debacle of the last administration - well, 4000+ of our soldiers did not, but the rest of us hung on by the skin of our teeth.

Isn't it time people stopped hoping for failure and become part of the solution?

I'm not hoping for failure. I just see the writing on the wall. If anyone tries to blame every mistake they make on someone else, they are destined to continue making mistakes and often making the mistakes worse because they can't accept responsibility for them. If either side, democrat or republican, is insistent on blaming the other side and not questioning the decisions of their OWN side, they only exacerbate the tendency to deny any responsibility for mistakes. Doesn't matter who is in charge. It's politics as usual. (You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Let the voters fight amongst themselves and ignore what is REALLY going on.) IMO

[ortiga]

Ignore the fact that closing Guantanamo Bay will release terrorists into society and will make us all less safe.. ignore the fact that the obama congress is spending trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, including our children and unborn grandchildren.. ignore the fact that jobs and homes are being lost on a daily basis.. the only thing obama has succeeded at thus far is having photo ops daily.. IMHO.. keep on cheering for your hero obama things can't get much worse.

And this post has what to do with the thread topic?

Can you post without employing personal insults? Too much to ask?

[ortiga]

and with little confidence by the creators of the stimulus package it looks like we've been set up to fail.. imo :sad:

We've been "set up to fail"? Who are you accusing of this?

Link to where the creators of the stimulus package have little confidence in the package, TIA.

[ortiga]

This is only the 5th month of his administration. We can hope he will become more seasoned or gets better advice as time goes on. Perhaps changes in Congress may make some of his policies a little more difficult to take place.

We are still in the 4th month of the administration. After the 21st of May we will be in the 5th month.

[bagerroness]

I'm not hoping for failure. I just see the writing on the wall. If anyone tries to blame every mistake they make on someone else, they are destined to continue making mistakes and often making the mistakes worse because they can't accept responsibility for them. If either side, democrat or republican, is insistent on blaming the other side and not questioning the decisions of their OWN side, they only exacerbate the tendency to deny any responsibility for mistakes. Doesn't matter who is in charge. It's politics as usual. (You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Let the voters fight amongst themselves and ignore what is REALLY going on.) IMO
Good post.. and I think that continuing to blame others and being in the perpetual "inheritance" mode makes liberals/democrats look weak and incompetent.. especially after all the great speeches we heard last year it's just very disappointing to many people that we didn't get the administration and congress that we needed to bring us into recovery from this mess of the past 2-3 years when the Democrats held the majority in congress. I think Americans are tired of Bail outs and big Government, egregious spending and nothing to show for our hard earned tax dollars.. imo :ohmy:

[ortiga]

imo, your non-answer means you don't know where those 150,000 jobs are...

for kicks, i did the google thing and the 1st bunch of links were like this thread, all asking, where are those jobs.


Are you in agreement with the blog writer whose quote was used to start this thread.....that job creation should be assessed in the following manner?

From the OP link:

"So I thought perhaps what they were doing was taking the date of signing, Feb. 17, computing how much of two years had passed (71/730 ~= 9.7%) and … "

[ortiga]

let's look past the misleading or false article headline and title thread and deal with the substance of the obama claim of creating/saving 150,000 jobs...

in this transparent administration, i should be able to find out what those jobs are--- summer construction, long-term computer tech, teachers and police ?... how many created vs. saved ?... are those jobs in ill. and cal., spread around the country ?...

so far, i can't find the info on recovery.gov or anywhere else.
imo.

You think that's how it works? One person hired as a greeter at Walmart will show up as a line item in the calculation?

[bagerroness]

We've been "set up to fail"? Who are you accusing of this?

Link to where the creators of the stimulus package have little confidence in the package, TIA.
I believe it you do a search of this forum you will find quotes from obama and democrats in congress (unless those threads have been purged) showing they don't know "if" the stimulus will work.. as it was constructed very hastily and some of it behind closed doors (the AIG bonus debacle) and you will find that there is "another" stimulus in the works behind closed doors. This is all public knowledge but it does require taking blinders off and getting out of the comfort zone.. imo All obama supporters IMO should be abreast of comments made pro and con about the Stimulus package. IMO

[dinojen]

Good post.. and I think that continuing to blame others and being in the perpetual "inheritance" mode makes liberals/democrats look weak and incompetent.. especially after all the great speeches we heard last year it's just very disappointing to many people that we didn't get the administration and congress that we needed to bring us into recovery from this mess of the past 2-3 years when the Democrats held the majority in congress. I think Americans are tired of Bail outs and big Government, egregious spending and nothing to show for our hard earned tax dollars.. imo :ohmy:


I'm still trying to find a link to where Caterpillar brought back all those laid off employees after the stimulus package was passed... so far can't find one... only see ones about rolling layoffs and plant closures...:confused:

[bagerroness]

And this post has what to do with the thread topic?

Can you post without employing personal insults? Too much to ask? um, excuse me but there were no personal insults in my post..that is quite beneath me to do that.
Let's keep on topic about where these 150,000 jobs are and will the media investigate this claim?

[ortiga]

I believe it you do a search of this forum you will find quotes from obama and democrats in congress (unless those threads have been purged) showing they don't know "if" the stimulus will work.. as it was constructed very hastily and some of it behind closed doors (the AIG bonus debacle) and you will find that there is "another" stimulus in the works behind closed doors. This is all public knowledge but it does require taking blinders off and getting out of the comfort zone.. imo All obama supporters IMO should be abreast of comments made pro and con about the Stimulus package. IMO

Did the stimulus package of GWB work? Do you think a national leader would be doing their job if they made promises as to what will "work"?

That is not the same as your claim that they had "little confidence", maybe you can see the difference.

For instance, the stimulus package will most likely "work" better in a state that implements the programs as early as possible, instead of like what happened in Alaska with the governor first turning down the funds and then delaying the acceptance of the funds, requiring the legislature to set up public hearings throughout the state, and afterwards, still turning down many millions of dollars that would help the state continue with the energy conservation code that already applies to half the state. Do you understand? That state would save money and create jobs by fast tracking that energy code in building construction, with the addition of the federal funds. Then, small businesses, large businesses, home owners, child care providers...you name it.....would save money in energy to heat and light their homes.

In other words, the stimulus will work better in some places than others, in some industries than others, and that's why it had so many different provisions. Because, you're right for the wrong reason....no one is sure what will work, which governors and local legislators will try to help it work.

None of this is the same as what you are claiming, that the creators of the stimulus package had "little" confidence that the package will work.

But I know, it's a lot easier to hope that the country fails, that the stimulus doesn't work when certain states still are delaying acceptance and implementation of the funds, still postponing or even refusing help from the federal government for job creation for their own citizens.



IMO

[dinojen]

I believe it you do a search of this forum you will find quotes from obama and democrats in congress (unless those threads have been purged) showing they don't know "if" the stimulus will work.. as it was constructed very hastily and some of it behind closed doors (the AIG bonus debacle) and you will find that there is "another" stimulus in the works behind closed doors. This is all public knowledge but it does require taking blinders off and getting out of the comfort zone.. imo All obama supporters IMO should be abreast of comments made pro and con about the Stimulus package. IMO

They don't know if it will work...for one big reason... NONE OF THEM READ THE DANG THING BEFORE THEY SIGNED IT AND PELOSI RAN OFF TO ITALY...:angry: They just signed on the dotted line... They have jobs.. they have incomes.. no need for them to worry till the next election..

All JMHO

[ortiga]

um, excuse me but there were no personal insults in my post..that is quite beneath me to do that.
Let's keep on topic about where these 150,000 jobs are and will the media investigate this claim?


Then why did you say "keep on cheering for your hero obama"?

That is a personal insult. Please stop poster bashing. I don't "cheer", and Obama is not my "hero", and please link to where I have said or implied that.

So, lets do keep on topic instead of trying to insult posters. TIA

[beattherap]

Then why did you say "keep on cheering for your hero obama"?

That is a personal insult. Please stop poster bashing. I don't "cheer", and Obama is not my "hero", and please link to where I have said or implied that.

So, lets do keep on topic instead of trying to insult posters. TIA
"lets do keep on topic..."

good idea... the basic topic is how did obama derive the number 150,000 jobs created/saved...

this is what i found---

"It turns out the president’s claim is really an estimate of what his economic advisers think the stimulus bill is doing, and not based on any evidence of its actual effects... So when the president said his stimulus bill “already saved or created” those jobs, he was just giving an estimate produced by his own economic advisers at the White House. Furthermore, the jobs figure is based on projections done at the time ARRA was passed."

http://wire.factcheck.org/2009/05/01/fantasy-jobs/

imo, obama misled the public with his claim.
imfo.

[bagerroness]

Then why did you say "keep on cheering for your hero obama"?

That is a personal insult. Please stop poster bashing. I don't "cheer", and Obama is not my "hero", and please link to where I have said or implied that.

So, lets do keep on topic instead of trying to insult posters. TIA why would you be insulted? Bush supporters were called "hero worshipers" and "cheerleaders" for the Bush administration on this board by liberal posters and it was acceptable so I don't see a problem with using those phrases I've heard were used here on this board during the Bush era.. Let's see if the media will challenge obama on his claim of creating 150,000 jobs.. so far all I've seen is more people being layed off.. IMO :shrug:

[bagerroness]

"lets do keep on topic..."

good idea... the basic topic is how did obama derive the number 150,000 jobs created/saved...

this is what i found---

"It turns out the president’s claim is really an estimate of what his economic advisers think the stimulus bill is doing, and not based on any evidence of its actual effects... So when the president said his stimulus bill “already saved or created” those jobs, he was just giving an estimate produced by his own economic advisers at the White House. Furthermore, the jobs figure is based on projections done at the time ARRA was passed."

http://wire.factcheck.org/2009/05/01/fantasy-jobs/

imo, obama misled the public with his claim.
imfo.
This probably won't be the first or last time the public will be misled by this administration.. imo :crying:

[flareon]

They don't know if it will work...for one big reason... NONE OF THEM READ THE DANG THING BEFORE THEY SIGNED IT AND PELOSI RAN OFF TO ITALY...:angry: They just signed on the dotted line... They have jobs.. they have incomes.. no need for them to worry till the next election..

All JMHO

You're right. They were in such a rush to push this through and it turned out to be a hodgepodge of partisan spending. The pet projects got a lift. The economy not so much.

[bagerroness]

This probably won't be the first or last time the public will be misled by this administration.. imo :crying: I agree.. it seems like this administration can say anything and 65% wil believe it without questioning only to find out they've been misled but won't admit it.. imo

[penguin01]

Where is a real leader? Obama was elected for all the wrong reasons, it is obvious he isn't solving problems, he's winging it. The poor man is in so far over his head you have to feel sorry for him.
OK - and your suggestion for a "real leader" is? Where has she/he been? What recommendations has he/she been making - instread of just complaining. Enough with the whining - make a specific useful request!

I don't really expect you to do so - if the entire RNC can't do it I can hadly expect it of you. But really - what purpose does the complaining serve??
It took more than 100 days to get into this mess - I sure wish the folks who helped get us in the mess would try and help get us out intead of just complaining and trying to change the GOP "image" instead of solving the the problems. Don't you?

[firsttoserve]

OK - and your suggestion for a "real leader" is? Where has she/he been? What recommendations has he/she been making - instread of just complaining. Enough with the whining - make a specific useful request!

I don't really expect you to do so - if the entire RNC can't do it I can hadly expect it of you. But really - what purpose does the complaining serve??
It took more than 100 days to get into this mess - I sure wish the folks who helped get us in the mess would try and help get us out intead of just complaining and trying to change the GOP "image" instead of solving the the problems. Don't you?


Great post. There is just scads of info, including 'msm' reports, of jobs created and companies benefiting from the Stimulus. Naysayers don't want to look, they want someone to post a link, so they can nitpick it apart. I'm in the business of cheering on the Country I served for over 23 years. Don't like our President? Fine. But this allegiance to the 'He must fail' bit with the posts grows tiresome. The info is out there, go look it up, if you want to believe we'll fail, so that the party of no can return to the top, keep posting your rhetoric. It falls on deaf ears, for the rest of the Country that is moving on.

[firsttoserve]

I like Gingrich, I'd love to see Obama debate him.

I agree, that would be fun...Unfortunately for the grinch, he doesn't rate a debate!

[firsttoserve]

Complaining serves to remind obama supporters that promises have not been kept to fix our country.

Your justification for that???:rolleyes: