Thursday May 7

[madameX]

Good morning, today is National Prayer Day. Please offer a minute of silent prayer, if you are so inclined, to bring this precious little girl home today. Amen

I would also like to let Haleigh's family know that although we are a divided board in out theories and opinions, we are a united front in that we share your pain, and we are sincere in our desire to help bring your baby home, unharmed and well.

Prayers today for Haleigh's safe return.

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thank you for that prayer Madame, a very nice sentiment. It's beyond time for little Haleigh to return home, safe and sound.

[kitty1182]

Good morning...Haven't been here in a while to check on HC....It's time we hear some news.....The is going on way too long:sad:

[Texas48]

Good morning, today is National Prayer Day. Please offer a minute of silent prayer, if you are so inclined, to bring this precious little girl home today. Amen

I would also like to let Haleigh's family know that although we are a divided board in out theories and opinions, we are a united front in that we share your pain, and we are sincere in our desire to help bring your baby home, unharmed and well.

Prayers today for Haleigh's safe return.TY X for the prayer and thoughts of Haleigh. I was so excited for today to get here and you get on the board....Maybe news of.....Chad Reynolds came up late yesterday..knew you would be excited..have a good day X.

[kOOkie1]

♥Thoughts..Prayers and Hope that Haleigh is found safe♥

[panache]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings

Still No Sign of Haleigh

The live web cam is in front of the Halieghbug Center, I wonder why.

eta...oops it was there about thirty minutes ago

[grammie/va]

Prayers for Haleigh!! How can a child just fall out of sight and no sign of her!

[panache]

Live Web Cam!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_4

[Motomom]

Live Web Cam!!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/web_cams/mobile_cam_4

Isn't that odd. Wonder why they have a web cam on the hb center.. maybe something good is going on there today.

[CANDYKISSES]

What a picture to put up given the decline in coverage. There are so many great pics of Haleigh which show her features much more clearly IMO. :sad:

I certainly hope there's something positive on the way given the closing paragraph of this article. It might appear someone was rushed in throwing something together from my POV. JMO tho.

:wub:Always praying for a MIRACLE and that HALEIGH IS SAFE.

[Peaches]

Thanks X for the thread and the prayers for Haleigh. Once again, today, I will join you praying for this precious child.

Hoping today will bring us good news!

[AmndaRcknwth]

At least this story got the time right... 3 months, not 4.

Hoping for something to happen, something positive.



eta--- What was the Chad Reynolds news?

[titanfan217]

http://www.kfvs12.com/

For those who need some happy tears, please watch the video showing little Josh after he's been rescued.

[Texas48]

there was news of Chad last night? What was it?? I just googled him and didn't find anything new, was he the body they found yesterday???
I didnt see any updates as of late last night X but there were a few posters here and other places that believed it could be..all I could think of was..X needs to be here..lol take care my friend.

[Santa'sMom]

I think just some speculation that the body found in Leesburg yesterday might have been him, they will have autopsy results today, the body was wearing jeans, brown work boots, a collared patterned shirt and a purple baseball cap. They said it had been there for a few dadys, bet it was dumped there. I would like to have at least one missing player (alledgedly) in this case accounted for, KWIM?

I think you might be right about the speculation. I had hoped that it was his body (if he is, in fact, deceased, but since it has only been a few days, I doubt it is him. I really believe he left this earth the night he was last seen. It isn't too far from where he was last seen though.

[StickyBeak]

Morning everyone, certainly sending prayers out to Haleigh, wishing for a safe return.

Saw this link this am, has me concerned in regard to purple small hat. A key piece of evidence, but yesterday I thought they said baseball type hat.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19384534/detail.html

[panache]

I've never heard that Junior said the man in black *came to visit Misty*.

Isn't that something new?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings


Scroll down to 3rd paragraph

[seeker]

I've never heard that Junior said the man in black *came to visit Misty*.

Isn't that something new?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings


Scroll down to 3rd paragraph

Morning,

Where did that come from? This isn't a suspense-novel where any new storyteller can just throw stuff in there. The man in black is now morphing into whoever the latest "reporter" wants him to be. No other source for this information is cited. Incredible.

No distinction, either, that when Haleigh disappeared, Misty was a short-time girl-friend, not the wife.

my opinions.

[carlybarly]

I've never heard that Junior said the man in black *came to visit Misty*.

Isn't that something new?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings


Scroll down to 3rd paragraph

Definitely the first I heard that also. Now we have to wonder if this is something that previously wasn't released and this reporter "accidentally" revealed more than they were supposed to OR if it was a mistake in recounting what was previously said about the black man taking her. I hate the LE is giving NO information and we have to speculate and "guess" at everything being released and pick apart things trying to decide if it is true, gossip, mistake in reporting or whatever.

[?noanswer]

Good morning, all:seeya:

Just plain curiosity, from yesterday it was said that on bail of $250,000 bond would be $25,003. I understand the 10%, but what is the extra $3?

TIA

The bail that was listed was 250,003. 10% would be 25000.30. Maybe the $3. was a flat fee or maybe someone got a decimal in the wrong place. Just guessing as I have nothing to verify. JMO

[seeker]

they did say baseball hat yesterday......hmmmm....a small purple hat. Stretching things a bit but remember when grandma said something was missing from the home that should always be with Haleigh and we speculated it might be a memento significant to her?

As usual, I am jumping the gun, will wait to hear more. But they DID find the body on the other side of the national forest.

Reading the article didn't it sound like the body was just beginning to decompose, as they said it must have been there a couple or a few days?

Wouldn't they be all over it if it was a child's body?

These are just questions. IF the body has a connection to Haleigh's disappearance than the silence would just be the status quo, I would think.

just my thoughts

[?noanswer]

Definitely the first I heard that also. Now we have to wonder if this is something that previously wasn't released and this reporter "accidentally" revealed more than they were supposed to OR if it was a mistake in recounting what was previously said about the black man taking her. I hate the LE is giving NO information and we have to speculate and "guess" at everything being released and pick apart things trying to decide if it is true, gossip, mistake in reporting or whatever.

We have seen a lot of things messed up in the media reporting. I'm thinking it is a media misprint. I kinda understand how mistakes are made as there as been many things said, but not much verified by LE. JMO

[Mimi428]

Answering a couple of questions that were asked last night about Roxicet & Fentanyl...

Roxicet is a brand name & contains oxycodone & acetominophen. Other brand names are Endocet, Magnacet, Narvox, Percocet, Tylox. (if you are taking a pain med & the brand name ends in -CET, that means there is acetominophen (tylenol) in it).

Fentanyl is a synthetic opiate, it is similar to, but more potent than morphine.

[daisywva]

Body found in Okahumpka is a homicide victim
Victim identified as middle-aged Hispanic man


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-homicide-050709,0,7650573.story

[?noanswer]

thanks not CR then

I had so hoped for some real news

Not trying to be a smart aleck, but I'm sure that to someone that is "real" sad news. To CR's family that is "real" good news to them. I know you were talking about re Haleigh. JMO

[seeker]

they made it pretty plain the body was not that of a child, I just interpreted the small purple hat as being a child's. It does not sound like the body had been there long.

Sometimes I hear news and try to fit a round peg into a square hole, I am, as usual, just thinking out loud. Usually everyone lets me, LOL, and just ignores me!

I hope I wasn't being rude to you. I, too was just thinking aloud. I enjoy reading your posts and don't want to ignore them..unless you ask me to. :smile:

[?noanswer]

What a picture to put up given the decline in coverage. There are so many great pics of Haleigh which show her features much more clearly IMO. :sad:

I certainly hope there's something positive on the way given the closing paragraph of this article. It might appear someone was rushed in throwing something together from my POV. JMO tho.

:wub:Always praying for a MIRACLE and that HALEIGH IS SAFE.

When I first looked at the page, I thought that was Haleigh standing at the window. Shocker. JMO

[sickntired]

I've never heard that Junior said the man in black *came to visit Misty*.

Isn't that something new?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings


Scroll down to 3rd paragraph

Also, I don't recall them saying Jr. told investigators about the black man.....I thought Jr. told Crystal. :shrug:

[sickntired]

Isn't that odd. Wonder why they have a web cam on the hb center.. maybe something good is going on there today.

Maybe Kim P. is going to make a statement today??? I'm just guessing. After all wasn't it reported yesterday that Crystal wasn't at the center because she was ill? So if no one is there, why have a web cam on the place?

Also, have there been any sightings of Misty? I just wonder if she is looking pregnant. Nay Nay said in her Art Harris interview that Misty said she was and RC denied it being his....and then the quicky wedding...just wondering out loud.

[seeker]

This last paragraph of the article is not very accurate, in my opinion.

"A Department of Children & Families investigation is underway to determine the living conditions inside the home where Haleigh and her younger brother lived."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings

The investigation is not only to try and determine what the living conditions were in the home where Haleigh and Little Ron lived with their father and his girl-friend.

There is a full-scale investigation into whether Junior is living in a safe environment at this very moment. It has been made very clear by Crystal and her attorney that what is at stake is the safety of Junior at this moment.

It is just upsetting to me that, if a person has the job (and the responsibility) of reporting, that s/he put some effort into researching, proof-reading, and telling a fuller, more accurate story. Why do it if you're not going to do it well?

Just my personal pet peeve. I realize people do things their own way. It is impossible for me to read such "reporting" and not become upset.

Lastly, and I know I'm repeating myself, what in the world was this reporter thinking, writing that the man in black was there to see Misty, according to Jr? Not even an attempt to say where this information came from. Just tosses it out there for people to take as fact.

my thoughts and opinions.

[dustyk]

I hope that she can somehow control the sezures, just found this article though and stress is a major cause of seizures

Emotional stress also can lead to seizures.
Emotional stress is usually related to a situation or event that has personal meaning to you. Often you will feel a loss of control. In particular, the kind of emotional stress that leads to most seizures is worry or fear. One study found that in some patients, anxiety—another term for worry and fear—led to hyperventilation (overbreathing) and an increase in abnormal brain activity and seizures. Other emotions that have been linked with stress and seizures are frustration and anger.

[seeker]

I hope that she can somehow control the sezures, just found this article though and stress is a major cause of seizures

Emotional stress also can lead to seizures.
Emotional stress is usually related to a situation or event that has personal meaning to you. Often you will feel a loss of control. In particular, the kind of emotional stress that leads to most seizures is worry or fear. One study found that in some patients, anxiety—another term for worry and fear—led to hyperventilation (overbreathing) and an increase in abnormal brain activity and seizures. Other emotions that have been linked with stress and seizures are frustration and anger.

Thanks so much for posting this information for us, Dusty.

[HouseOfClark]

I too thought when I first heard about the seizures that they were stress related. Crystal said the first one was what? the day or two before Haleigh went missing?

I have to ask because a thunderbolt just burst in my brain, and I have to play fair, god knows I have done my fair share of suspecting Ron.....is it in any way possible that Crystal was already worried about haleigh's disappearance BEFORE it actually happened?

In what way? Sort of a premonition?

I believe she was worried, especially since the arrival of Misty into the children's lives.

The seizures could have been caused by the auto accident or some other head injury earlier in her life. She may have had a seizure the day before, she may have had one the week or the month before and she didn't mention those or didn't know what they were. In my opinion, they have been exacerbated by the stress of Haleigh missing and the unknown of what has happened to her.

[Mimi428]

I hope that she can somehow control the sezures, just found this article though and stress is a major cause of seizures

Emotional stress also can lead to seizures.
Emotional stress is usually related to a situation or event that has personal meaning to you. Often you will feel a loss of control. In particular, the kind of emotional stress that leads to most seizures is worry or fear. One study found that in some patients, anxiety—another term for worry and fear—led to hyperventilation (overbreathing) and an increase in abnormal brain activity and seizures. Other emotions that have been linked with stress and seizures are frustration and anger.

Thanks for bringing that up, DK.

I somewhat doubt that we will ever know the cause of Crystal's seizures, but regardless of the origin, stress will exacerbate any illness, symptom, syndrome & condition a person has. If you are prone to migraine, you'll get more. If your stomach gives you trouble - it will give you worse trouble.

Another thing to add to that list of things that can cause or aggravate seizures is sleep deprivation. That one specifically is a problem to a greater or lessr degree for at least 3 people I know. My 1st S-I-L is so sensitive to that that if he goes to bed 2 hours later than usual he is more likely than not to have a seizure in his sleep.

The root causes for seizures can sometimes be tricky to diagnose & it can be a challenge to finding the right dose in the right combination to properly manage them. There are so many possible causes that I would not even begin to take a guess on which one might be most likely for Crystal.

JMO

[dustyk]

Thanks for bringing that up, DK.

I somewhat doubt that we will ever know the cause of Crystal's seizures, but regardless of the origin, stress will exacerbate any illness, symptom, syndrome & condition a person has. If you are prone to migraine, you'll get more. If your stomach gives you trouble - it will give you worse trouble.

Another thing to add to that list of things that can cause or aggravate seizures is sleep deprivation. That one specifically is a problem to a greater or lessr degree for at least 3 people I know. My 1st S-I-L is so sensitive to that that if he goes to bed 2 hours later than usual he is more likely than not to have a seizure in his sleep.

The root causes for seizures can sometimes be tricky to diagnose & it can be a challenge to finding the right dose in the right combination to properly manage them. There are so many possible causes that I would not even begin to take a guess on which one might be most likely for Crystal.

JMO
I hope is not hereditary and Haleigh doesn't have them. IMO

[Mimi428]

no no worried because she actually had something to do with the disappearance is what I meant

I think if Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance that she would have never stayed in the area. I don't think she would have agreed to be at the Haleighbug center. We know she & others have stated that the relationship between she & Ron was so difficult that it was the primary reason she moved away in the first place - to get away from him. That's reason enough for her to tell LE that she will keep in contact wih them, make sure they can reach her 24/7 - but she cannot stay in the same area as Ron. The fact that she did none of those things - & has made an effort to keep Haleigh's picture & story from falling into oblivion leads me to believe she had nothing to do with the disappearance. I think she would have high-tailed it on out of there, stayed far away &/or gone into seclusion, rather than be seen & associated with the Haleighbug center.

Refer again to Scott P - how he just could not even muster up enough fake concern to keep posting flyers - that kind of behavior told us he couldn't be bothered. I just have not seen that kind of thing from Crystal.

JMO

[CelticDawn]

I hope is not hereditary and Haleigh doesn't have them. IMO

Haleigh is at risk for many disorders just because she has Turners Syndrone. She seems to have had several illnesses in what history I have seen, but no mention of that. It is my understanding that seizures would have already shown up if they were going to be a problem. I don't know, though.

also, in Crystals case, if she had even a slight blow to the head, a small injury to the brain in just the right place could cause seizures....as the brain heals...which could take a little time or a lot of time....the seizures would subside....unless the injury formed scar tissue on the brain. Medications could cause seizures, or the rapid removal of medications as well.

It's anybodys guess ...all of this.

[CelticDawn]

MadameX, I don't think we can discount any possibilities in this case, no matter which point of view we take. I have done my fair of Ron-defending in the past, I appreciate your honesty. It's easy to get caught up in one theory and slough off anything that doesn't match, I've done it.

considering what we know about the relationships in the entire family, crystal would have already been under considerable stress. If something came to a head,.....she may have been already insomniac and worrying and sent over the edge.

[dustyk]

Don't know if it is wishful thinking but I don't think Haleigh is dead. I have three theories...let me know what you all think.

1. Ronald and Misty hear about the money or donations received in the CA case and fake this....I was at work...comes in handy here and thus the marriage ...or
2. Crystal decides to take the children...gets Haleigh, gets spooked and can't come back for Jr and that is why the cinder block....or
3. Retaliation against RC for money owed or retaliation from Amber and Nay Nay.
I keep going back to these three scenarios, guess just can't handle a stranger having her, hurting her or worse. JMO

[Motomom]

This last paragraph of the article is not very accurate, in my opinion.

"A Department of Children & Families investigation is underway to determine the living conditions inside the home where Haleigh and her younger brother lived."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_cummings

The investigation is not only to try and determine what the living conditions were in the home where Haleigh and Little Ron lived with their father and his girl-friend.

There is a full-scale investigation into whether Junior is living in a safe environment at this very moment. It has been made very clear by Crystal and her attorney that what is at stake is the safety of Junior at this moment.

It is just upsetting to me that, if a person has the job (and the responsibility) of reporting, that s/he put some effort into researching, proof-reading, and telling a fuller, more accurate story. Why do it if you're not going to do it well?

Just my personal pet peeve. I realize people do things their own way. It is impossible for me to read such "reporting" and not become upset.

Lastly, and I know I'm repeating myself, what in the world was this reporter thinking, writing that the man in black was there to see Misty, according to Jr? Not even an attempt to say where this information came from. Just tosses it out there for people to take as fact.

my thoughts and opinions.

The reporting on this case has been bad from the getgo IMO.

[Motomom]

I too thought when I first heard about the seizures that they were stress related. Crystal said the first one was what? the day or two before Haleigh went missing?

I have to ask because a thunderbolt just burst in my brain, and I have to play fair, god knows I have done my fair share of suspecting Ron.....is it in any way possible that Crystal was already worried about haleigh's disappearance BEFORE it actually happened?

I don't think so X, because no matter my thoughts on Crystal, I don't believe she would have any part of taking Haleigh. JMO

[Motomom]

Don't know if it is wishful thinking but I don't think Haleigh is dead. I have three theories...let me know what you all think.

1. Ronald and Misty hear about the money or donations received in the CA case and fake this....I was at work...comes in handy here and thus the marriage ...or
2. Crystal decides to take the children...gets Haleigh, gets spooked and can't come back for Jr and that is why the cinder block....or
3. Retaliation against RC for money owed or retaliation from Amber and Nay Nay.
I keep going back to these three scenarios, guess just can't handle a stranger having her, hurting her or worse. JMO


I don't think she is dead either. Don't know why, but have never felt she was. Anything is possible nowadays with these missing children though.

[BANJO GRANNY]

IMO I think the poor little Haleigh is dead and I think Misty knows the whole story of what happened to her. I hope I am wrong
:rose::rose: FOR HALEIGH

[dustyk]

wow. what if they only took Haleigh because......she isn't really Ron's child, but Jr is? And Crystal knows a dna test would prove this? Once she had Haleigh, all she would need was the proof from the dna test, right?
She could have handled that without taking her...I think they already did DNA tests. Still if he is on the birth certificate it is still kidnapping until she proves she is not his and goes back to court. I think she would have already played that card at the custody hearing.IMO

[Nicola]

IMO I think the poor little Haleigh is dead and I think Misty knows the whole story of what happened to her. I hope I am wrong
:rose::rose: FOR HALEIGH

I, sadly, believe Haleigh is no longer with us and I do not trust Misty as far as I could throw her, but what do you think Misty could have done with her BANJO?
That's what I cannot for the life of me figure out....where is Haleigh?

[HouseOfClark]

my bold

I have stated previously that a possibility was NayNay and whoever the other girl (melissa? patricia?) partying that weekend made sure Misty was "out of it", called Chad and Crystal around 10, after the kids had been settled in, C&C came down to Satsuma, got Haleigh, (don't know why not Jr, too obvious?) and got back home before Misty got home, found Haleigh missing and all heck broke loose. JMO

I think that would take a degree of planning that none of these people have the capacity to do.

I haven't seen any proof or even a hint that Crystal or Chad knew NayNay or the reportedly "generous" prosititute that was going to split her "earnings" between NayNay and Misty or that they knew Chad or Crystal.

It seems to me that if NayNay or the generous prostitute wanted to get back at Misty for something, they would have dealt with Misty direct and not used a child in that scheme.

That is just my opinion.

[Motomom]

hey bully, but the police have all but formally ruled out an unknown, unidentified abductor. Do you think there is reason to still suspect one?

I haven't seen them rule anyone out yet to be honest. I think there is reason to suspect one still..I hope they don't have tunnel vision.. I don't necessarily think the person is unknown though.. to the family that is..

[Texas48]

thanks not CR then

I had so hoped for some real newsI know you have already left the board and I just logged on and saw where it was said IT WAS NOT C.R. ..I am sorry it had to be *anyone* and feel sad for the family..see ya tomorrow X.

[kitty1182]

Don't know if it is wishful thinking but I don't think Haleigh is dead. I have three theories...let me know what you all think.

1. Ronald and Misty hear about the money or donations received in the CA case and fake this....I was at work...comes in handy here and thus the marriage ...or
2. Crystal decides to take the children...gets Haleigh, gets spooked and can't come back for Jr and that is why the cinder block....or
3. Retaliation against RC for money owed or retaliation from Amber and Nay Nay.
I keep going back to these three scenarios, guess just can't handle a stranger having her, hurting her or worse. JMO

I choose number 1...

[Texas48]

Don't know if it is wishful thinking but I don't think Haleigh is dead. I have three theories...let me know what you all think.

1. Ronald and Misty hear about the money or donations received in the CA case and fake this....I was at work...comes in handy here and thus the marriage ...or
2. Crystal decides to take the children...gets Haleigh, gets spooked and can't come back for Jr and that is why the cinder block....or
3. Retaliation against RC for money owed or retaliation from Amber and Nay Nay.
I keep going back to these three scenarios, guess just can't handle a stranger having her, hurting her or worse. JMO
all good topics and theories to talk about dustyk..My very first thoughts were revenge against Ron..drug related..as some time passed this case was seeming very similar to KC Anthony case..Cant prove it but I believe ppl In Satsuma..Ron Misty and gang most likely followed the KC Anthony case..All had to see how things were done and $$$ coming in..Then I had beliefs Misty had left kids in the house and went somewhere else and a *friend* that was known to the family knew Misty was not there and he/she went in and took Haleigh. Then maybe a prank from ppl that knew Ron/Misty and the prank went bad.. I do NOT believe it was a SO that took Haleigh but once again that is just an opinion. there was one poster that suggested an *unknown SO* took Haleigh..That is a thought since LE interviewed all Registered SO and came up empty handed..I actually have NO Idea what happened to this baby girl and am left with several theories that play out in my head..I will take a stand and say I do not believe Ron or Crystal had anything to do with this child missing. I do believe Misty *may* know more than she has told LE..but it is possible she does not remember *more* and she is the only one that knows for certain. I have not helped at all cause I just do not know and untill LE releases info then this is what plays over and over in my head..jmo

[Texas48]

ITA I can't handle that scenario either.

Let's explore the possibilities of #2. Maybe Crystal and Chad were so concerned about the living conditions of Haleigh and Jr that they decided to kidnap them. But they didn't do it themselves, thus having an alibi for being at home, or wherever they were. And Misty woke and spooked whoever was coming back for Jr. Then Crystal and Chad were going to move out of town, NC or GA or somewhere they had relatives. Then Crystal was going to file for emergency custody. But she didn't get Jr, Haleigh IS with the relatives, and Crystal's perfect cover is the Haleighbug Center, etc.

The reason her health has gone downhill is because she can't handle the stress of keeping the secret, and that's why Misty can't remember what happened, because she really has no clue.

How Do Amber and Nay Nay figure into this? or do they at all?Excellent thoughts X. I had not thought of that at all. Maybe the girls do not have anything to do with the case at all..you could be very right..Interesting to see what others good posters will come up with as well..a great ideal dustyk..jmo

[dustyk]

all good topics and theories to talk about dustyk..My very first thoughts were revenge against Ron..drug related..as some time passed this case was seeming very similar to KC Anthony case..Cant prove it but I believe ppl In Satsuma..Ron Misty and gang most likely followed the KC Anthony case..All had to see how things were done and $$$ coming in..Then I had beliefs Misty had left kids in the house and went somewhere else and a *friend* that was known to the family knew Misty was not there and he/she went in and took Haleigh. Then maybe a prank from ppl that knew Ron/Misty and the prank went bad.. I do NOT believe it was a SO that took Haleigh but once again that is just an opinion. there was one poster that suggested an *unknown SO* took Haleigh..That is a thought since LE interviewed all Registered SO and came up empty handed..I actually have NO Idea what happened to this baby girl and am left with several theories that play out in my head..I will take a stand and say I do not believe Ron or Crystal had anything to do with this child missing. I do believe Misty *may* know more than she has told LE..but it is possible she does not remember *more* and she is the only one that knows for certain. I have not helped at all cause I just do not know and untill LE releases info then this is what plays over and over in my head..jmo
I know what you mean. I also thought if Misty had gone out that night then amber may have done it to get back at her for the fight they had and to get her in trouble with Ron. But then I have to wonder Why they got married. maybe because of the age thing and RC getting in trouble for her being underage or perhaps the custody issue. All to crazy to sort out. IMO

[Texas48]

wow. what if they only took Haleigh because......she isn't really Ron's child, but Jr is? And Crystal knows a dna test would prove this? Once she had Haleigh, all she would need was the proof from the dna test, right?My goodness..never thought of that either X..That is what is so great about *discussion*..if one can only keep an open mind to ALL possibilities.

[Nicola]

Don't know if it is wishful thinking but I don't think Haleigh is dead. I have three theories...let me know what you all think.

1. Ronald and Misty hear about the money or donations received in the CA case and fake this....I was at work...comes in handy here and thus the marriage ...or
2. Crystal decides to take the children...gets Haleigh, gets spooked and can't come back for Jr and that is why the cinder block....or
3. Retaliation against RC for money owed or retaliation from Amber and Nay Nay.
I keep going back to these three scenarios, guess just can't handle a stranger having her, hurting her or worse. JMO

Hi Dustyk, I wanted to respond to no.3.
When you say RC owed someone money I am presuming the money owed would be from drugs?, can you seriously imagine a drug dealer taking a child from her bed because of a drug debt?
Taking a child would be a hindrance to the perp would it not?
And if that did happen then where is Haleigh now?
I just can't imagine that scenario at all.

JMOO

Nicki

[Texas48]

I haven't seen them rule anyone out yet to be honest. I think there is reason to suspect one still..I hope they don't have tunnel vision.. I don't necessarily think the person is unknown though.. to the family that is..bully had a good theory that keeps coming back to me..a person in the area..maybe familiar w/the family..a yet *unknown* pervert..sex offender. IN NO WAY am I saying it WAS their next door neighbor but there is a saying that *one never really knows who lives next door* There was a case many years ago of a little girl in Jersey..went missing during the middle of night..found dead several days later. It was the next door's neighbor's son. Everyone was shocked. No one ever suspected him..Sooooo...there could very well be someone in the area that has NOT acted out untill this case or has not been found out and caught yet..just thoughts. all opinions

[Texas48]

I know what you mean. I also thought if Misty had gone out that night then amber may have done it to get back at her for the fight they had and to get her in trouble with Ron. But then I have to wonder Why they got married. maybe because of the age thing and RC getting in trouble for her being underage or perhaps the custody issue. All to crazy to sort out. IMO
it is crazy to sort out dusty but you really had a good idea when you put it out there the way you did ..for discussion and for each.

[crymeariver2006]

O/T but if you've been following the Drew Peterson/Stacy Peterson story, he has just been indicted for murder in the death of his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio. He is currently under arrest and will have his first court appearance tomorrow morning.

[panache]

O/T but if you've been following the Drew Peterson/Stacy Peterson story, he has just been indicted for murder in the death of his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio. He is currently under arrest and will have his first court appearance tomorrow morning.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1563713,Peterson-arrest-watch-050709.article

Never say never, or sooner or later.


moo

[?noanswer]

A short video about Haleigh.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_case_not_cold

JMO

[panache]

An Interview With Cobra May 7th

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

[Motomom]

I can't believe Crystal took or had any part in taking Haleigh out of Ron's that night.

Maybe her seizure the day before was a result of getting those court papers about the child support and her worry over resolving that issue.

I hope and pray she takes care of herself. Her children need her.

Good point Kathy, if it is stress that caused the initial seizure. I hope they figure out what is causing them though so she can get the proper medications.

[Motomom]

IMO, many of the so-called inconsistencies have come from reporting in the media, that was quoted as Misty saying.JMO

I agree with you bam.. I believed it from the getgo too.. I was not impressed with the early reporting..heck, even the night they were searching the dumpster the reporter was wrong.. I wish instead of being first to the punch they would get it right.

[Motomom]

I just looked, it's still there. Weird.

I agree bookie..wonder if anyone came or went there today too.

[Motomom]

bully had a good theory that keeps coming back to me..a person in the area..maybe familiar w/the family..a yet *unknown* pervert..sex offender. IN NO WAY am I saying it WAS their next door neighbor but there is a saying that *one never really knows who lives next door* There was a case many years ago of a little girl in Jersey..went missing during the middle of night..found dead several days later. It was the next door's neighbor's son. Everyone was shocked. No one ever suspected him..Sooooo...there could very well be someone in the area that has NOT acted out untill this case or has not been found out and caught yet..just thoughts. all opinions

Not sure what story in Jersey you are talking about..do you have a name? Just so I can look it up. When it comes down to it, you never know anyone and just go back to couey's family..the lot of them should be locked away IMO and it still irritates me that charges were never pressed and I hope one day each of them screws up in some way and gets arrested for something and put away. Could be someone visiting someone else too. I go back and forth with the different theories. for a while I was thinking SCAM..I think SO sometimes..I also think more recently that there was something with Misty and that "crew". Hopefully one day we'll know.

[Motomom]

WOW this is BIG if it's true.


S: Do you believe Haleigh is alive?

C: YES

S: Is Haleigh being passed around through different people?

C: Yes family type people. I will put it this way, law enforcement does not think a stranger is involved in the abduction.

You should have made the IF way bigger then the WOw lol.. TEASING ya FA.. Reminds me of George..watching those kidnapping nannies.

[panache]

Reposting this Video

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_case_not_cold

Interesting that Ron and Misty paid a visit back to Green Lane yesterday. I'm sure it was poignant to see once again where Haleigh had disappeared from.

moo

[seeker]

Thanks for bringing that up, DK.

I somewhat doubt that we will ever know the cause of Crystal's seizures, but regardless of the origin, stress will exacerbate any illness, symptom, syndrome & condition a person has. If you are prone to migraine, you'll get more. If your stomach gives you trouble - it will give you worse trouble.

Another thing to add to that list of things that can cause or aggravate seizures is sleep deprivation. That one specifically is a problem to a greater or lessr degree for at least 3 people I know. My 1st S-I-L is so sensitive to that that if he goes to bed 2 hours later than usual he is more likely than not to have a seizure in his sleep.

The root causes for seizures can sometimes be tricky to diagnose & it can be a challenge to finding the right dose in the right combination to properly manage them. There are so many possible causes that I would not even begin to take a guess on which one might be most likely for Crystal.

JMO



<bolding mine>

Mimi, thanks so much for taking the time to delve deeper. I think its really important to know that emotional and physical stress can bring on a flare of many illnesses and diseases.

In the past, diseases such as Ulcerative Colitis and Crohn's Disease, (both in the family of Inflammatory Bowel Disease) were written off as being caused by stress, and patients were told to not worry and they would be well. Advances in medicine have thankfully led to the discovery that this family of diseases has an auto-immune component and no longer (hopefully) is the patient blamed for not controlling their anxiety.

Just one example to add to your fine post. When we look at Crystal's seizures there is so much to take into consideration. The stress of finding a good doctor who will then search for a diagnosis and a cause, in and of itself is highly stressful and can be over-whelming. Self-doubt and the concern that you may be taking up people's time and sympathy can be defeating, not to mention that as this sometimes lengthy process takes place the patient is still experiencing symptoms over which they have no control.

I hope that Crystal has found a good and curious doctor, willing to go the whole way, until answers are found and treatment can begin.

my thoughts

[panache]

S: Is there anything you would like to say to the haters? I call them my fannery.

C: Quit your b*tching get up and help find Haleigh.

:thumbsup:

Hey Tif

What did you think of that video I posted this am about Junior and someone *came to visit Misty*? When I had a break today I went searching for a link I had earlier where Annette is being interviewed about Jr. being questioned, and at the end, media says that LE were following Jr. leads, but now I can't find it. There is one, without the last statement though.

When I orginally saw that new link this am, I thought media had embelleshed it, but now, I'm wondering if Jr. did mention Misty's guest. :confused:

sorry for the rambling..

[TaraCrazyHair]

S: Is there anything you would like to say to the haters? I call them my fannery.

C: Quit your b*tching get up and help find Haleigh.

:thumbsup:

Thank you for that link (:

I see they still cling to the idea that Haleigh is alive ... but what i do not understand is if it is out of concern for the kids .. why only sneak in and take Haleigh but leave Jr behind?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Hey Tif

What did you think of that video I posted this am about Junior and someone *came to visit Misty*? When I had a break today I went searching for a link I had earlier where Annette is being interviewed about Jr. being questioned, and at the end, media says that LE were following Jr. leads, but now I can't find it. There is one, without the last statement though.

When I orginally saw that new link this am, I thought media had embelleshed it, but now, I'm wondering if Jr. did mention Misty's guest. :confused:

sorry for the rambling..

I did not see your link but I vaguely remember during the man in black story, Jr had said something about the man who came to see Misty

Is that what your referring to?

[TaraCrazyHair]

IMO, many of the so-called inconsistencies have come from reporting in the media, that was quoted as Misty saying.JMO

A lot of the inconsistencies about what "Misty was saying" was actually directly from LE

Can't hold the media accountable there

Moo

(:

[panache]

Hiya pan,

I haven't watched it yet. Started on the last page and saw your link to the interview w/ Cobra. I'll go look at it now...

Ha..I found the video I was looking for Tiff....check out what LE says in the last paragraph. Sounds like LE took Jr.s story seriously. I wonder if he said something about a visitor.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

Because Misti woke up and they panicked and left?


Maybe ..... but we have no idea what time this took place

Only that she woke up around 3:00 AM

If it was somebody known to them .. then they knew what time Ron came home from work as well, so they are not going to cut their "abduction" that close

[TaraCrazyHair]

O/T but if you've been following the Drew Peterson/Stacy Peterson story, he has just been indicted for murder in the death of his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio. He is currently under arrest and will have his first court appearance tomorrow morning.

I saw that! About time!

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't understand it either. And I don't know what he means that Haleigh is being passed around by family type people.


I know ... the phrase "family type" people seems to rule out blood family but is it like church family or drug family or what?!

[panache]

Is this what you mean? I read the article but don't see a video.

It's new to me that jr said someone came to see Misty and took Haleigh

Yes, that be the one. *grin*. Jr. said someone came to see Misty. Isn't that strange?Jr.. would have had to been awake.

[panache]

K, where's the link? :smile:

oops...

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx

[seeker]

Reposting this Video

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/050709haleigh_case_not_cold

Interesting that Ron and Misty paid a visit back to Green Lane yesterday. I'm sure it was poignant to see once again where Haleigh had disappeared from.

moo

Poignant. That is one descriptive. Is Ronald Cummings worried about a new tenant? Does he just want to look?

Well, it seems this story was only aired due to someone's tip that he was at the property.

Of course this is only speculation based upon the short news blurb and shorter written article.

People ARE paying attention and that's good to know. Could Ron's anxiety be aroused by the thought that people (with fresh eyes) will be looking at the home and that some family will eventually live there? I think so, but that's just my opinion.

as always, just my thoughts and opinions

[TaraCrazyHair]

And Misty would know who it is.

I wonder why Ron was so quick to dismiss his son's story.

I always found it odd that when he was first asked about Jr and the man in black, he basically said it was a lie .. did not believe it (Crystal I assume, not Jr) then in the next breath he said "I don't know, I was at work"

[panache]

Poignant. That is one descriptive. Is Ronald Cummings worried about a new tenant? Does he just want to look?

Well, it seems this story was only aired due to someone's tip that he was at the property.

Of course this is only speculation based upon the short news blurb and shorter written article.

People ARE paying attention and that's good to know. Could Ron's anxiety be aroused by the thought that people (with fresh eyes) will be looking at the home and that some family will eventually live there? I think so, but that's just my opinion.

as always, just my thoughts and opinions



Hmm, you gave me something to think about seeker. It could very well be a concern for Ron as you say. I mentioned poignant because irregardless of what he knows, returning there, unless he is total lacking in feelings has to be painful.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I don't believe one word that woman says.

I find it interesting that LE wouldn't comment on it. If it was insignificant why not say so?

From that link --


Sykes says she was at the Cummings household within 15 minutes of the abduction. She says she also took Ronald Jr. to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office where he was interviewed by detectives.


I thought Theresa said she took him to the police station?

I am confused

[TaraCrazyHair]

Poignant. That is one descriptive. Is Ronald Cummings worried about a new tenant? Does he just want to look?

Well, it seems this story was only aired due to someone's tip that he was at the property.

Of course this is only speculation based upon the short news blurb and shorter written article.

People ARE paying attention and that's good to know. Could Ron's anxiety be aroused by the thought that people (with fresh eyes) will be looking at the home and that some family will eventually live there? I think so, but that's just my opinion.

as always, just my thoughts and opinions



Wasn't this the same man who adamantly refused to go back that home?

[Texas48]

Just got home and getting caught up. Why was there a live webcam at the HBC? Did anyone ever find out why?
bookie..I dont know the reason for the webcam..maybe someone does or we will find out soon..Good to see you here..really slow today and now the news is Hot with Drew P.

[TaraCrazyHair]

That line is classic. I'm going to use it for my sig line.

ETA; Can't we have sig lines anymore?

I tried using it in real life already LOL

:biggrin:

[TaraCrazyHair]

He went back several times with the LE and FBI he just didn't want to LIVE there. Would you? oh never mind don't answer that , i think i know the answer :bored:

He could not do the media walk through, remember?

That is what I was referring to

Not anything about him living there

[Texas48]

WoW this is HUGE...Cobra talking bad about Crystal now.

S: Do you think Ron Cummings is who he portrays himself to be for the media?
C: NO

S: Do you think Crystal Sheffield is who she portrays herself to be for the media?

C: NO I don’t think any of them have clean hands.Double WoW FA..and this came from Cobra..how about that and I wounder what it means..they always leave me with more questions.

[panache]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx



I know, I know, I keep posting this link...Take a look to the right and enlarge the photo. Nice pic of Haleigh, her grandfather and Junior. I wonder what gf this is. Doesn't look like Jack..

[Texas48]

Hi mom. Wonder why they couldn't get that couey family on some kind of charge?
I have often woundered that bully. I dont think any charges were filed against any of them..

[TaraCrazyHair]

yes i remember that. and i wouldn't have went through with the media either.

Your missing the point but that is ok

[Motomom]

Poignant. That is one descriptive. Is Ronald Cummings worried about a new tenant? Does he just want to look?

Well, it seems this story was only aired due to someone's tip that he was at the property.

Of course this is only speculation based upon the short news blurb and shorter written article.

People ARE paying attention and that's good to know. Could Ron's anxiety be aroused by the thought that people (with fresh eyes) will be looking at the home and that some family will eventually live there? I think so, but that's just my opinion.

as always, just my thoughts and opinions




I don't think it's odd that he has gone back there. The reason stated seems odd though.

[Texas48]

I have. I've been back to my childhood home several times.

but in those photos of the trailer up for rent shows bikes and toys i wonder if he went back to get those before they rent the house out.
I also have been back to the place I grew up at many times FA. I lived in Miss. many years ago and when I go to visit friends we always ride out and look at the house I owned just to see if any changes were made ot whatever. Dont find that unusual. I would quess Ron or someone will gather the toys and bikes.

[panache]

That photo with Grandfather was taken the same day Haleigh's hands were bandaged. Check out her hands.

[diamond]

I don't think it's odd that he has gone back there. The reason stated seems odd though.

I think it is good that someone is paying attention and knew that he went back there. That is a good sign that people are still paying attention to anything that may help find Haleigh.

Why do you think he went back?

[panache]

Who is that guy, pan? That's not Ron's father.

Caption says grandfather. I know its not Jack. Don't know who it is. Note Haleigh's hands. Must be the same day her hands were all bandaged up.

[diamond]

Caption says grandfather. I know its not Jack. Don't know who it is. Note Haleigh's hands. Must be the same day her hands were all bandaged up.

Could that guy be another ex of TN?

[panache]

Could that guy be another ex of TN?

Mr. Neves maybe? No, he lives in Pa. I don't know. What does Marie's hubby look like? Crystals' stepdad.

[diamond]

Mr. Neves maybe? No, he lives in Pa. I don't know. What does Marie's hubby look like? Crystals' stepdad.

I don't recall seeing a picture of him. I was thinking it may be Neves before they divorced.

[panache]

If he got out of the car and got the toys and bike why wasn't that included in the report?

Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it a fact.

Tif

The bikes, toys, empty comet cleanser cans and all the debris were removed when the MLH real estate listing went up. The lawn and yard were clean as a whistle two weeks ago. There was nothing to retreive yesterday.

[diamond]

Tif

The bikes, toys, empty comet cleanser cans and all the debri were removed when the MLH real estate listing went up. The kawn and yard were clean as a whistle two weeks ago. There was nothing to retreive yesterday.

Why do you think he went by there? One last look or what.

[diamond]

That guy looks too clean cut for TN, lol.

MO

I know !! Does not look her type at all. :smile:

[diamond]

Does any one think that Cobra is on to something in reference to his interview comment that Haleigh is being passed around in the "family"?

What are your thoughts about that?

[seeker]

Hmm, you gave me something to think about seeker. It could very well be a concern for Ron as you say. I mentioned poignant because irregardless of what he knows, returning there, unless he is total lacking in feelings has to be painful.

Hi Panache,

I know, I was being sarcastic; didn't mean to be rude to you. I hope that Ron has some feelings.

On another subject you ladies are discussing, I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Haleigh is sill alive, no matter how much I WISH she were, no matter how much I appreciate Cobra and others that are searching for Haleigh.

Without all the surrounding players, from the moment of the 911 call forward, and into the first month, with all the interviews and the goings-on, I saw this as a simple, familiar, yet horribly sad story of two people covering up a crime of violence and murder. Nothing that has been reported since has changed my mind because the initial facts are incontrovertable, in my opinion.

I've wondered a lot about Ron's conflicting statement in which he states that he in no way believes that his son's stories were of any value or held any truth. I believe that Ron is afraid that this little boy knows what happened, and unfortunately he has had control over his traumatized little psyche from the get-go, as does the entire extended Cummings family.

my thoughts, my opinions

[Motomom]

From that link --


Sykes says she was at the Cummings household within 15 minutes of the abduction. She says she also took Ronald Jr. to the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office where he was interviewed by detectives.


I thought Theresa said she took him to the police station?

I am confused

I never heard Theresa say she took him to the station. It's was always the GGM IIRC.

I'm not sure sure I believe that JR said anything about a man in black or black man or visitor at this point. I think it's possible, but TN did make a point when she said that he would not have let someone take Haleigh without crying out. I believe that. I also think though it's possible he did see something or someone and was very scared so kept quiet. I thought LE did comment on this but dont' remember what it was. I am just not 100% positive on it either way yet. He also may have said something and then the story morphed some, another possibility. If he did, all this talk from that last article posted is covering up because they didn't want it let out. So I see a couple different possibilitys. I remember back to little Blake repeating over and over, mommy's in the rug.. he was a bit younger though too, and he had actually said more too as well. All JMO

[diamond]

Hi Panache,

I know, I was being sarcastic; didn't mean to be rude to you. I hope that Ron has some feelings.

On another subject you ladies are discussing, I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Haleigh is sill alive, no matter how much I WISH she were, no matter how much I appreciate Cobra and others that are searching for Haleigh.

Without all the surrounding players, from the moment of the 911 call forward, and into the first month, with all the interviews and the goings-on, I saw this as a simple, familiar, yet horribly sad story of two people covering up a crime of violence and murder. Nothing that has been reported since has changed my mind because the initial facts are incontrovertable, in my opinion.

I've wondered a lot about Ron's conflicting statement in which he states that he in no way believes that his son's stories were of any value or held any truth. I believe that Ron is afraid that this little boy knows what happened, and unfortunately he has had control over his traumatized little psyche from the get-go, as does the entire extended Cummings family.

my thoughts, my opinions





I agree. TN looked to me like she was grieving the death of Haleigh. None of the Cummings family ever looked hopeful for the return of a missing child.
And the grief did not last long once she realized that people did not buy Ron's act.
MO

[Motomom]

probably because jr didn't say it to him or the LE . and it was like two weeks later when he told his mom ....and well i'm sure Ron has his reasons not to trust Crsytal just like Cobra doesn't trust her IMO

Well, just to be fair, I don't think Cobra trusts anybody in this case, but I don't trust Cobra either. And right about JR too, if he didn't say it to Ron and LE didn't inform Ron that he did say it.. I can see him not believing it. from the article that was link though, the GGM say's


“I thought it was ridiculous…should never had been anything said,” said Sykes.
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpopular/story/Cummings-Family-Rumors-Person-Was-Inside-Home-Are/retraOmmEkGCL_R0FwZ4DA.cspx

Which leads me to believe that he did say something, but they did not want it released.

[diamond]

I don't have a clue what he means. And why does he say 'family type'...?

He's also sounds very sure that she's alive.

He sounds sure she is alive in every interview.

[Motomom]

He could not do the media walk through, remember?

That is what I was referring to

Not anything about him living there

I saw Ron do a walk through of the house with the media.

[panache]

his children did
and i saw their bikes in the photos, maybe he went to get them.

hey what did you think about what Cobra said about Crystal today?

Ron's children spent all of 3.4 mos in that trailer.If that.

moo

[seeker]

Wasn't this the same man who adamantly refused to go back that home?

Yes, he could not move back into his home after Haleigh, his daughter, disappeared. He could barely go in there and do an interview. The womenfolk did all the prep for the media and cleaning and moving out of the house, it seemed, based on reports and video on tv.

He also couldn't go back to his job, either. I don't believe it was just a case of not wanting to work. Reading the statements of the police, the company PDM, and other reports at the time he lost his job, I sensed they were trying to get across quite strongly (yet subtly) that the fact that the company had not heard from Ron since the night Haleigh disappeared.

To me, this man lets us all know where his psyche is at if we just pay attention and have the eyes to see.

Very sad and just my opinions.

[Motomom]

I have. I've been back to my childhood home several times.

but in those photos of the trailer up for rent shows bikes and toys i wonder if he went back to get those before they rent the house out.

FA my brother was just back tonight to an old home we lived it. We all go back to it sometimes, something holds us there. The yard has looked baron to me, I think he just went back to see it. Not everything he does is cause for concern IMO. I can imagine wanting to go back.

[panache]

I saw Ron do a walk through of the house with the media.

Yes, Ron did revist the trailer with the media. Its the day when he was in Haleigh's room, and said, this is where Haliegh *once resided.*

moo

[titanfan217]

Wasn't this the same man who adamantly refused to go back that home?

Was he inside?

[Motomom]

Ron didn't "grow up" in that trailer.

It doesn't matter. His daughter went missing from that home. He may not have wanted to live there, but going back and not even going in is a bit different. He may want to be there now for all we know... odd as that would be. I would go back to it every day.. I'm not sure I would have left the home or stayed.. would have went away for a while though I think, away from it.

[diamond]

Yes, he does. What you anD seeker said makes a lot of sense but why do you think Cobra thinks she's alive?

I think Cobra has information that we don't have. One of my theories is that Ron hid Haleigh and it was all a scam for money. I think he followed the Anthony case and wanted to cash in. I remember reading some where that Ron made a comment that he was not getting the air time that the Anthony case did. No link for that. Just something I remember reading.

just my thoughts

[Motomom]

I think it is good that someone is paying attention and knew that he went back there. That is a good sign that people are still paying attention to anything that may help find Haleigh.

Why do you think he went back?

Glad people are paying attention. I think he went back just to go back to be honest. It's the last place he has seen his daughter, I imagine that eats him alive. I'm sure it could be something bad.. some nefarious reason he went back but I don't think that's the case. possible, but doubtful IMO

[diamond]

Glad people are paying attention. I think he went back just to go back to be honest. It's the last place he has seen his daughter, I imagine that eats him alive. I'm sure it could be something bad.. some nefarious reason he went back but I don't think that's the case. possible, but doubtful IMO

I think he went back to see if anyone would notice. Things have been quiet there. I think he wanted to see if he is still watched. And now he knows.
MO

[PerneciaJane]

Does any one think that Cobra is on to something in reference to his interview comment that Haleigh is being passed around in the "family"?

What are your thoughts about that?

I think it is just his opinion about like how we just state our opinion.

[Motomom]

Does any one think that Cobra is on to something in reference to his interview comment that Haleigh is being passed around in the "family"?

What are your thoughts about that?

Well we know it isn't Ron's "family".. When Cobra produces something substantial and newsworthy, I'll think more about the use of the word "family" to be honest. What happened with him making it look like Amber and Nay nay had something to do with this, now he is saying they were never part of the investigation or did I read it wrong? Because I thought he said that in the interview.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I never heard Theresa say she took him to the station. It's was always the GGM IIRC.

I'm not sure sure I believe that JR said anything about a man in black or black man or visitor at this point. I think it's possible, but TN did make a point when she said that he would not have let someone take Haleigh without crying out. I believe that. I also think though it's possible he did see something or someone and was very scared so kept quiet. I thought LE did comment on this but dont' remember what it was. I am just not 100% positive on it either way yet. He also may have said something and then the story morphed some, another possibility. If he did, all this talk from that last article posted is covering up because they didn't want it let out. So I see a couple different possibilitys. I remember back to little Blake repeating over and over, mommy's in the rug.. he was a bit younger though too, and he had actually said more too as well. All JMO


I guess need to revisit links but I swear Ron's mother said she took JR straight to the police station

[Motomom]

Ever been in a bad wreck and went back to the scene weeks or months later? It's natural to go back to the scene where something traumatic happened.

I agree with you bookie..

[diamond]

Well we know it isn't Ron's "family".. When Cobra produces something substantial and newsworthy, I'll think more about the use of the word "family" to be honest. What happened with him making it look like Amber and Nay nay had something to do with this, now he is saying they were never part of the investigation or did I read it wrong? Because I thought he said that in the interview.

It was my understanding that because he thinks Haleigh is alive that he thought Amber and NayNay running in the same circles as Misty and Ron would know where she is or heard where Haleigh is being kept.

just speculation of his thinking

[seeker]

I don't think it's odd that he has gone back there. The reason stated seems odd though.

Motomom,

I must be tired. What do you mean by: "The reason stated seems odd though."

What reason did Ron give for going there, or am I not understanding what you're saying?

[diamond]

Yes, and because Misty was with Nay Nay and WBG the weekend before Haleigh went missing.

He must think that Misty let it slip to some one during that weekend when she was doped out of her mind.

[panache]

Hi Panache,

I know, I was being sarcastic; didn't mean to be rude to you. I hope that Ron has some feelings.

On another subject you ladies are discussing, I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Haleigh is sill alive, no matter how much I WISH she were, no matter how much I appreciate Cobra and others that are searching for Haleigh.

Without all the surrounding players, from the moment of the 911 call forward, and into the first month, with all the interviews and the goings-on, I saw this as a simple, familiar, yet horribly sad story of two people covering up a crime of violence and murder. Nothing that has been reported since has changed my mind because the initial facts are incontrovertable, in my opinion.

I've wondered a lot about Ron's conflicting statement in which he states that he in no way believes that his son's stories were of any value or held any truth. I believe that Ron is afraid that this little boy knows what happened, and unfortunately he has had control over his traumatized little psyche from the get-go, as does the entire extended Cummings family.

my thoughts, my opinions



You rude??? Neva!!! Never entered my mind. I was trying to expend some sympathy on why Ron went back to gaze at that trailer. At second blush, I think he just wanted a peek to see if they had improved the property. Maybe he's looking for another place to rent and wanted to compare. The trailer rent is $800 per month.

moo

[panache]

Problem with that line of thinking is that if something was said, who'd remember?

:biggrin::biggrin:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Do you think Cobra knows more about the case then we do?

Personally, I think they are going on assumptions like everyone else not directly in LE

[Motomom]

yeah i don't trust Cobra as far as i can throw him.

and Yep sounds like something was said. i wonder why they didn't want anyone to know.

Maybe LE didn't want it released and Ron's family understood that? Think about it.. if they don't know who they are dealing with, or if they do, I wouldn't want the real perp knowing that he told LE this either.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Nah, you're all supposed to make excuses for everything he does.

MO



Hmmm that is something I cannot do based on his behavior and attitude in regards to his missing five year old little girl

[Motomom]

I think Cobra has information that we don't have. One of my theories is that Ron hid Haleigh and it was all a scam for money. I think he followed the Anthony case and wanted to cash in. I remember reading some where that Ron made a comment that he was not getting the air time that the Anthony case did. No link for that. Just something I remember reading.

just my thoughts

Of course there is no link LOL..

What do you think about the information Cobra had about Amber and Nay Nay? About them being the "key" to the investigation?

[TaraCrazyHair]

So you don't agree with Cobra and the LE that she's alive?


I would LOVE to believe it but after three months -- not so likely

[diamond]

Of course there is no link LOL..

What do you think about the information Cobra had about Amber and Nay Nay? About them being the "key" to the investigation?

Drama. I think he used it for drama and to increase interest.

[TaraCrazyHair]

ITA but i do find it odd that in the same week Cobra and the LE started saying they think she's alive.


Not so sure LE agrees

The "spokesperson" in the one interview with Art Harris could not even get Elizabeth Smarts name right -- it was reported as Pam Smart

[Motomom]

I think he went back to see if anyone would notice. Things have been quiet there. I think he wanted to see if he is still watched. And now he knows.
MO

Now that's actually an interesting thought. Do you think he wants people to notice him? IOW's he goes there, Haleighs story is on the news again?

[Motomom]

I guess need to revisit links but I swear Ron's mother said she took JR straight to the police station

If you find it, post it. I don't ever remember that. Not saying it didn't happen, but don't remember. Did they arrive together or seperate? anyone know?

[Motomom]

It was my understanding that because he thinks Haleigh is alive that he thought Amber and NayNay running in the same circles as Misty and Ron would know where she is or heard where Haleigh is being kept.

just speculation of his thinking

I have to look at the link again because I thought he said that they were never under investigation or somethign like that.. let me go look again..

[panache]

Drama. I think he used it for drama and to increase interest.

I think Cobra is trying to throw Nay Nay and Amber's *keeper* off guard. A tactic to let him think the heat is off.

moo

[seeker]

Yes, he does. What you anD seeker said makes a lot of sense but why do you think Cobra thinks she's alive?

I think he is saying it to keep the perpetrators off balance. The same reason that some in law enforcement have said that she might be alive.

Smoke and mirrors.. in my opinion

The thought of Haleigh or any child being "passed around" makes me ill. I don't believe that for a moment.

I believe she died on Feb 9th or 10th, 2009.

my sad thoughts

my opinions

[Motomom]

Motomom,

I must be tired. What do you mean by: "The reason stated seems odd though."

What reason did Ron give for going there, or am I not understanding what you're saying?


I may be hearing things at this point LOL. I thought the reporter said he was back there just today to see if it had been rented out.

[Motomom]

Nah, you're all supposed to make excuses for everything he does.

MO

That or just discuss all possibilities, not just yours.

[Motomom]

You mean like all of the excuses made for Crystal not getting out of bed to take Haleigh to the dr or for not paying state ordered child support?

LOL Bookie.. sometimes all one has to do is step outside of the box.. or uhh the message board. What's good for the goose, isn't always good for the gander to some it seems.

There are no excuses for any of that either IMO. If someone takes the right steps, no matter there circumstances then it's a different story IMO.

[Motomom]

Drama. I think he used it for drama and to increase interest.

Yep... so he kind of sorta lied? To garner?? money? At the very least, he's trying to keep the case alive I suppose.

[Motomom]

I think Cobra is trying to throw Nay Nay and Amber's *keeper* off guard. A tactic to let him think the heat is off.

moo

You think their "keeper" is reading the internet?

[TaraCrazyHair]

You think their "keeper" is reading the internet?

I will bet ALL of them read the Internet on a daily basis ....

Every single possible player in this case


One or two may even post here

In this day and age -- who knows!

[panache]

You think their "keeper" is reading the internet?

No, probably not. But word gets out on the street in that kind of circle. Its an entity all of its own. As much as Cobra maybe watching Huddle House, they are watching Cobra.

moo

[panache]

Check out post 68 on Art's thread comment section.

http://www.artharris.com/

[diamond]

I will bet ALL of them read the Internet on a daily basis ....

Every single possible player in this case


One or two may even post here

In this day and age -- who knows!

Oh yes, I think they do, too.

I bet Ronald googles his name everyday.

[diamond]

Check out post 68 on Art's thread comment section.

http://www.artharris.com/

Read #78
It is about Haleigh's injuries.

[seeker]

My husband doesn't avoid the site of his bad wreck. His brother doesn't avoid it either (they were together in the wreck). They drive by and comment about it all the time.

3 girls were killed in a horrible wreck near the local high school. Her friends and families have erected a large memorial and visit the site often. The crosses are maintained and stuffed animals, flowers and balloons are always being left. The accident happened over 2 years ago.

The same thing with the intersection a mile from my house. A small child died in a wreck and a memorial was put up there. The flowers are changed every holiday and I always see her family up there.

Like I said.....it's natural to visit the site where something traumatic happened. It's done every day by loved ones around the country.
<my bold>

It is natural for SOME PEOPLE to visit the site of a traumatic event. It is equally true that it is very UNNATURAL for most people to desire to visit the site where a traumatic event occurred.

Because it is true for some it does not mean it is true for all, or even most.

these are my thoughts about that.

[panache]

Check out post 68 on Art's thread comment section.

http://www.artharris.com/

These photos which I borrowed from HFTMM tie in wiith that post of Haleigh's injuries.

These injuries are no way from one little fall at a playground, IMO. 11/6 an injury is gone, and afew days later its back. Couple that with all the days of school she missed, coincides with allowing time for the injuries to heal.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12755&page=63

[diamond]

I don't know, was he? Was he sitting there remembering Haleigh? Thinking about good memories they shared in the home? Don't bother answering because you don't know either.

Nope. He was hanging out to see if anyone would notice he was there and make the news reports.

JMO

[seeker]

You rude??? Neva!!! Never entered my mind. I was trying to expend some sympathy on why Ron went back to gaze at that trailer. At second blush, I think he just wanted a peek to see if they had improved the property. Maybe he's looking for another place to rent and wanted to compare. The trailer rent is $800 per month.

moo

<my bold of your post>

Goes to show that I'm the cynical one and it's not fun.

my thoughts

[Motomom]

I will bet ALL of them read the Internet on a daily basis ....

Every single possible player in this case


One or two may even post here

In this day and age -- who knows!

Very possible... most have myspaces too. I just can't picture a "keeper" of these two going to artharris.com I guess..

[diamond]

]Unless you are Ron [/B]you have no idea why he was there so you can't answer the question andI'm not interested in your opinion of why he was there.

Are you Ron? Do you know?

[diamond]

That is really disturbing. That poor child.

It's amazing to me that he would be stupid enough to put that incriminating picture up on his atty's website.

They think people are so stupid that they can call that mark dirt and it will be believed.
I didn't know dirt in Florida have teeth.

[panache]

That is really disturbing. That poor child.

It's amazing to me that he would be stupid enough to put that incriminating picture up on his atty's website.

Did you look at the photos I linked? No way were those injuries all from a fall. haleigh looks like she was punched in the face.

moo

[diamond]

Did you look at the photos I linked? No way were those injuries all from a fall. haleigh looks like she was punched in the face.

moo

Yes, I did. Thanks for the link. She does look like she was punched in the face. KP said a witness came forth and gave a statement that further injury occurred a few days after the fall at school when Ron backhanded Haleigh.

NG video source Kim's interview

[seeker]

That sounds plausible seeker. Maybe that's why Ron isn't looking for her, because he knows she's dead.

that is what I believe.

and, if Ron is capable of real human emotion than I also believe that his every waking and sleeping moment is filled with the anxiety that he is about to be caught, one way or another.

my opinions

[seeker]

I may be hearing things at this point LOL. I thought the reporter said he was back there just today to see if it had been rented out.


I don't remember hearing or reading that, but I could be wrong. Guess we need to check it out again.

my thoughts

[diamond]

that is what I believe.

and, if Ron is capable of real human emotion than I also believe that his every waking and sleeping moment is filled with the anxiety that he is about to be caught, one way or another.

my opinions


I hope so. I hope it will bother him enough to tell the truth to someone that will contact LE.
I just don't see him as having that much caring emotion in him.

MO

[tinkerbell]

I read an article earlier tonight, recalling other families of missing children.

My question to all of you is this; do you remember another family of a missing child that moved from their home while the child was still missing?

moo

[diamond]

I read an article earlier tonight, recalling other families of missing children.

My question to all of you is this; do you remember another family of a missing child that moved from their home while the child was still missing?

moo

No. The ones I have followed maintained the child's room exactly as it was the last time the child was there while waiting for the child's return home.

[seeker]

I agree with 78. It looks like dirt on her arm.

WHO WILL SPEAK UP FOR HALEIGH?

Brave people are coming forward and what so many of us see will be shown to be true. The Truth is Very Powerful.

my thoughts

[panache]

I went back and looked at them ...saw them before. I didn't believe the falling at school story then and I don't believe it now.

This will convince you even more.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/19/do-exclusive-haleigh-cummings-pix-prove-abuse/#more-1290

[tinkerbell]

No. The ones I have followed maintained the child's room exactly as it was the last time the child was there while waiting for the child's return home.

Thank you diamond for your reply; I don't recall a single other child abduction case when the family moved; while the child was still missing.

moo

[tinkerbell]

Nope. I don't recall any family moving while the child is missing.

Thanks, Tiffany, I don't remember one either..

moo

[panache]

Enjoyed my evening with you, but I have a client meeting at 9am tomorrow.

ciao

[tinkerbell]

Enjoyed my evening with you, but I have a client meeting at 9am tomorrow.

ciao

panache, good luck with your meeting...

ciao

[seeker]

These photos which I borrowed from HFTMM tie in wiith that post of Haleigh's injuries.

These injuries are no way from one little fall at a playground, IMO. 11/6 an injury is gone, and afew days later its back. Couple that with all the days of school she missed, coincides with allowing time for the injuries to heal.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12755&page=63

Thanks Panache.

[diamond]

Thank you diamond for your reply; I don't recall a single other child abduction case when the family moved; while the child was still missing.

moo

I have never seen a parent behave as Ron did about not wanting to go back in the home. The way he acted about Haleigh's room. Most parents of a missing child want to be near the child's belongings. To hold the child's favorite toy. To say a prayer every night in the child's room.

Not Ron. He camped across the street for weeks and never spent another night there. The place he said Haleigh called home.

He makes me sick.

my thoughts and opinion

[PerneciaJane]

Do you think Cobra knows more about the case then we do?

I think Cobra along with KP, AH and TJH have told a lot of lies and been caught in them. I don't trust any of them to tell the truth.

[diamond]

I agree, diamond. I can't think of one reaction that was genuine. His blubbering was fake. His posturing and defensivness screamed guilt. He only looked for her when he had toys...ATV and horse. He's a Class A phony and a terrible actor.

He makes me sick too.

MO

And don't forget the fall down on the ground fake break down bit. That was so fake it was sickening.

I wonder if he checked any convenience stores for donation jars when he returned to the area to check on the mobile home.

[tinkerbell]

IMHO, people, all sane people do things for a reason. I am not suggesting that their reason is right or wrong; but, people do things for a reason.

Half truths, lies, cover ups, exaggerations and inconsistencies are all red flags, IMHO.

Where is Haleigh?

moo

[aproudmom]

So I guess you think the staff and students at Virginia Tech and Columbine are weird and unnatural? They just held vigils on the anniversary dates of the massacres at their respective campuses.

am I on the right thread? is this Haleigh's thread not so sure what these school shootings have to do with this case...but okey dokey

[diamond]

I read an article earlier tonight, recalling other families of missing children.

My question to all of you is this; do you remember another family of a missing child that moved from their home while the child was still missing?

moo

What article did you read? I would like to read it if you can direct me to it.
Thanks

[diamond]

am I on the right thread? is this Haleigh's thread not so sure what these school shootings have to do with this case...but okey dokey

yes, this is Haleigh's thread.

[tinkerbell]

What article did you read? I would like to read it if you can direct me to it.
Thanks

I read a number of internet news and blog articles everyday. I will try to locate the one I read and post it here for you...

moo

[aproudmom]

These photos which I borrowed from HFTMM tie in wiith that post of Haleigh's injuries.

These injuries are no way from one little fall at a playground, IMO. 11/6 an injury is gone, and afew days later its back. Couple that with all the days of school she missed, coincides with allowing time for the injuries to heal.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12755&page=63

had not seen them that close up..but put me in tears seeing her sweet little face and still not home..:crying:

[diamond]

What do you think of Ron's sign on his truck...."Only God Can Judge Me"?

He use to have "Graver Digger" on it. :confused: What did that mean?

[aproudmom]

yes, this is Haleigh's thread.

I know I was being me:biggrin: it was a joke diamond just did not see why the school shootings were being compared to this case...

[diamond]

I know I was being me:biggrin: it was a joke diamond just did not see why the school shootings were being compared to this case...

I don't know why either.

[aproudmom]

What do you think of Ron's sign on his truck...."Only God Can Judge Me"?

He use to have "Graver Digger" on it. :confused: What did that mean?

it is very popular in small towns what we call hick towns I am from one and alot of the guys would go mudding and had them huge trucks with it on their trucks..dont ask me why but it is very common

[Themis]

What do you think of Ron's sign on his truck...."Only God Can Judge Me"?

He use to have "Graver Digger" on it. :confused: What did that mean?
It was not "Graver Digger" as you typed, Diamond.

It was Grave Digger and is the name of one of the most famous Monster Trucks.

http://www.gravedigger.com/

Gravedigger is also the name of a song written and performed by Dave Matthews; he has a band. You can find it on YouTube.

[JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

What do you think of Ron's sign on his truck...."Only God Can Judge Me"?

He use to have "Graver Digger" on it. :confused: What did that mean?

I think he put the only god can judge me just to be a U know what..telling everyone he did not care what they thought of him..but the grave digger is common in small towns for some reason with the guys that have huge trucks and go mudding a lot..I call them dummy's but they think it is cool..lol my cousin used to have it on his truck..

[diamond]

It was not "Graver Digger" as you typed, Diamond.

It was Grave Digger and is the name of one of the most famous Monster Trucks.

http://www.gravedigger.com/

Gravedigger is also the name of a song written and performed by Dave Matthews; he has a band. You can find it on YouTube.

[JMO * Themis]

Thanks. Now it makes sense.

[aproudmom]

It was not "Graver Digger" as you typed, Diamond.

It was Grave Digger and is the name of one of the most famous Monster Trucks.

http://www.gravedigger.com/

Gravedigger is also the name of a song written and performed by Dave Matthews; he has a band. You can find it on YouTube.

[JMO * Themis]

true it is a very famous Monster truck and I am sure that is why he had it on there...I can not even count the amount of kids that have it on thier trucks from my town..never heard of the song before

[cat3]

that is what I believe.

and, if Ron is capable of real human emotion than I also believe that his every waking and sleeping moment is filled with the anxiety that he is about to be caught, one way or another.

my opinions


"if Ron is capable of real human emotion" WOW....not much compassion or empathy there.IMO

[PerneciaJane]

true it is a very famous Monster truck and I am sure that is why he had it on there...I can not even count the amount of kids that have it on thier trucks from my town..never heard of the song before

I thought the Grave Digger truck belonged to the fireman that was driving RC and MC around.

[cat3]

It was not "Graver Digger" as you typed, Diamond.

It was Grave Digger and is the name of one of the most famous Monster Trucks.

http://www.gravedigger.com/

Gravedigger is also the name of a song written and performed by Dave Matthews; he has a band. You can find it on YouTube.

[JMO * Themis]

I thought when I first saw Gravedigger on the truck that it was a salute to the DM song.lol. Never knew about Monster Trucks.IMO

[PerneciaJane]

I went back and looked at them ...saw them before. I didn't believe the falling at school story then and I don't believe it now.

So are you thinking maybe a friend at the school made a false report?

[tinkerbell]

diamond, I've been looking for the link you asked for...

I found this one:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/Cummings_update_050709

It only mentions RC moving.

The other article I read, which I have not found, mentioned other previously missing children. It did not state anything about their families' moving.

After reading the articles, it made me wonder, and I posted the question asking if anyone recalled or remembered another missing child's family moving, before the missing child had been found...

moo

moo

[diamond]

diamond, I've been looking for the link you asked for...

I found this one:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/Cummings_update_050709

It only mentions RC moving. I read another article that mentioned missing children as well as the one I posted above.

After reading the articles, it made me wonder, and I posted the question asking if anyone recalled or remembered another missing child's family moving, before the missing child had been found...


moo

Thanks. I thought maybe you had read a documentary or something about missing children. I will read that article. I appreciate you finding it.

[Murtle]

I don't believe very many of the stories going on. I do believe there are people who know what happened or where Haleigh is. A video edited, a story that needs edited, I feel Mrt is still around. The reporting in this town is very sad. To bad they passed this reporting early on to other cities. It became an evolving bunch of misreporting. Truely, the facts were so bad....AH etc...just sadly reported. Get someone to rep your town.

I do love the locals postings and we all need to check it all out. It helps Haleigh. Thanks all!

[aproudmom]

OMG what is up with these lawyers and their websites are they really wanting to help this child or just get their names out there...I am sorry but that is so unprofessional IMO

[Themis]

This link was first posted by Panache today. Thank you, Panache.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

I am still ruminating over the phrase Cobra supposedly used in giving an interview with this blogger. Cobra tells the blogger that he, Cobra, still believes Haleigh is still alive ....

"S: Do you believe Haleigh is alive?

C: YES

S: Is Haleigh being passed around through different people?

C: Yes family type people. I will put it this way, law enforcement does not think a stranger is involved in the abduction."

Notice Cobra did not say 'family,' or 'family members,' or 'relatives.' He supposedly says: "family type people."

Cobra says he is originally from Virginia; has lived in Florida for a lot of years so perhaps this is a unique southern expression I am unfamiliar with and can be better defined by someone from those states. However, to me it would be very close friends one has known for decades and maybe the friendship goes back a generation or two. They are not related by blood and maybe not even marriage. So, I can't help but wonder if Haleigh has been taken out of state. Who has Haleigh? Where could Haleigh be? [JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

If someone thinks that Ron hurt Haleigh, why would you expect that person to show "compassion" for Ron?

Do you have compassion for Casey Anthony?

not Casey please:scared: no compassion here

[teresa]

And don't forget the fall down on the ground fake break down bit. That was so fake it was sickening.

I wonder if he checked any convenience stores for donation jars when he returned to the area to check on the mobile home.

Tell me how he faked those swollen eyelids from crying. At least we saw some tears from him. That's more than I can say for a few members of the other family.

[aproudmom]

This link was first posted by Panache today. Thank you, Panache.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

I am still ruminating over the phrase Cobra supposedly used in giving an interview with this blogger. Cobra tells the blogger that he, Cobra, still believes Haleigh is still alive ....

"S: Do you believe Haleigh is alive?

C: YES

S: Is Haleigh being passed around through different people?

C: Yes family type people. I will put it this way, law enforcement does not think a stranger is involved in the abduction."

Notice Cobra did not say 'family,' or 'family members,' or 'relatives.' He supposedly says: "family type people."

Cobra says he is originally from Virginia; has lived in Florida for a lot of years so perhaps this is a unique southern expression I am unfamiliar with and can be better defined by someone from those states. However, to me it would be very close friends one has known for decades and maybe the friendship goes back a generation or two. They are not related by blood and maybe not even marriage. So, I can't help but wonder if Haleigh has been taken out of state. Who has Haleigh? Where could Haleigh be? [JMO * Themis]

not sure if it is a southern expression or not have never been there

[diamond]

Tell me how he faked those swollen eyelids from crying. At least we saw some tears from him. That's more than I can say for a few members of the other family.

Drugs. Flying high on speed, drinking and then before he appeared on camera taking a downer.
That is how he did it.

MO

[diamond]

not sure if it is a southern expression or not have never been there

It is a southern expression. It directly means family. As in saying, uh huh, family type people. It can be extended family (cousins, aunts, uncles) as well as immediate family.

[aproudmom]

I totally agree Seeker. Either Cobra is saying these things to deflect the truth, or he is so far off the mark he doesn't have a clue. I'm hoping he's smarter than that. That theory may have held water early on, but it'll be 3 months on Sunday and I don't think those players, any of them, are skilled well enough to pull such an event like that off.

I also agree about Jr. Ron discounted this theory immediately and so very adamantly, why? Remember, we heard a million times from his own mouth, he was at work. How he injected himself into the night Haleigh went missing, yet masterfully fell back on his old "I was at work" replay was all too predictable. No wonder his lawyers are telling him to keep his mouth shut.

Returning back to the mobile home yesterday is all too telling, imo.

moo

sorry I was at work :biggrin:can you tell me did he really go to the MH yesterday or just rumor? sorry playing catch up here

[cat3]

If someone thinks that Ron hurt Haleigh, why would you expect that person to show "compassion" for Ron?

Do you have compassion for Casey Anthony?

CA has nothing to do with this case.
The reason I mentioned compassion and empathy was seeker often asks us (posters) for compassion and empathy for Crystal.
Double standards in my opinion.
We don't know that Ron is guilty,or anything about what he might be feeling.IMO

[Themis]

Teresa, many criminals have shed tears easily, Susan Smith comes to mind as well as many others. Ron and Susan seem to have many similar traits, in my opinion.

moo
You gave one example, 51Viking ...

But the Oscar for murderers who have cried buckets on national television goes to:

Scott Peterson, Modesto, California. He killed his wife, Laci Rocha and his own unborn son.

[tinkerbell]

This link was first posted by Panache today. Thank you, Panache.

http://www.bloggernews.net/120786

I am still ruminating over the phrase Cobra supposedly used in giving an interview with this blogger. Cobra tells the blogger that he, Cobra, still believes Haleigh is still alive ....

"S: Do you believe Haleigh is alive?

C: YES

S: Is Haleigh being passed around through different people?

C: Yes family type people. I will put it this way, law enforcement does not think a stranger is involved in the abduction."

Notice Cobra did not say 'family,' or 'family members,' or 'relatives.' He supposedly says: "family type people."

Cobra says he is originally from Virginia; has lived in Florida for a lot of years so perhaps this is a unique southern expression I am unfamiliar with and can be better defined by someone from those states. However, to me it would be very close friends one has known for decades and maybe the friendship goes back a generation or two. They are not related by blood and maybe not even marriage. So, I can't help but wonder if Haleigh has been taken out of state. Who has Haleigh? Where could Haleigh be? [JMO * Themis]

I'm from the south; I've never heard the saying or anyone state, "family type people" when referring to anyone....

It's not terribly uncommon to give a close friend a designation of "aunt" or "uncle"; but I've never heard of it described as "family type people".

moo

[aproudmom]

Teresa, many criminals have shed tears easily, Susan Smith comes to mind as well as many others. Ron and Susan seem to have many similar traits, in my opinion.

moo

maybe he was feeling bad his little girl went missing while under the care of his live in G/F now wifey..who knows..

[aproudmom]

Yes he did, I believe the link is posted up thread, by panache? Neighbors said they saw him yesterday.

moo

:ohmy:thought he never wanted to go there ok just wondered if it was true or not..wow ok..thanks 51

[diamond]

Had to go there, huh Themis? :biggrin: The post would be endless if we named all the killers that shed tears. How about that Melissa Huckabee? She's filled her buckets pretty full as well.

moo

LE in Tracy did an excellent job very quickly.

[tinkerbell]

:ohmy:thought he never wanted to go there ok just wondered if it was true or not..wow ok..thanks 51

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/Cummings_update_050709

[cat3]

Tell me how he faked those swollen eyelids from crying. At least we saw some tears from him. That's more than I can say for a few members of the other family.

Hey teresa,good to *see* you.I ran across that old video of CS being asked how she felt about the dumpster search,and her comment that she was really mad right now.Talk about an odd reaction from a mother.hmmm.IMO

[diamond]

:ohmy:thought he never wanted to go there ok just wondered if it was true or not..wow ok..thanks 51

I believe he will go by there every time he visits to check for donation jars.

MO

[Themis]

Had to go there, huh Themis? :biggrin: The post would be endless if we named all the killers that shed tears. How about that Melissa Huckabee? She's filled her buckets pretty full as well.

moo
Sure did, Viking.:wink:

I simply had to as I remember another interview that Scott Peterson gave while in his own home and he turned off the ringing telephone and continued the interview. That is when Laci was still 'missing.'
When I saw both Ron and Teresa ignore a ringing cell phone while being interviewed I got an immediate flashback to Peterson.
Sometimes it is detrimental to have a good memory -- LOL. [JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

CA has nothing to do with this case.
The reason I mentioned compassion and empathy was seeker often asks us (posters) for compassion and empathy for Crystal.
Double standards in my opinion.
We don't know that Ron is guilty,or anything about what he might be feeling.IMO

IMO both sides have really messed up but in the end they have lost a child so I am not pro either one of them..there is alot I do not agree with on both sides but they are the ones that have to live with their actions or lack of them not me..but still would never want to be in their shoes

[aproudmom]

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/Cummings_update_050709

thanks alot...also a reply to the poster talking about the Tracy PD ITA they did a great job..

[carlybarly]

I don't find it odd at all that he went back there. Sure he said previously he never wanted to step foot there again, but that was right after it happened. It's been weeks now, it is possible he wanted to be where he last saw her. I see no need to pick apart his every move and find evil in it.

As for the photos, why is it automatically assumed Ron or Misty did that to Haleigh? If you could see my son some months you'd think I am abusive. Everytime a black eye heals, another one seems to pop up. The last is when he jumped from his bed and slammed into the closet playing. And the bite, she has al ittle brother and she is around other kids, is it not possible another child bit her IF that is a bite mark? I'm not saying it wasn't an adult that did this to her, but instead of automatically assuming this is abuse look at all possiblities here instead of just the one.

[cat3]

IMO both sides have really messed up but in the end they have lost a child so I am not pro either one of them..there is alot I do not agree with on both sides but they are the ones that have to live with their actions or lack of them not me..but still would never want to be in their shoes

I agree.I can't imagine what they all must be dealing with just trying to get by and dealing with everyday life.Must be heartbreaking for them all.IMO

[Themis]

I'm from the south; I've never heard the saying or anyone state, "family type people" when referring to anyone....

It's not terribly uncommon to give a close friend a designation of "aunt" or "uncle"; but I've never heard of it described as "family type people".

moo
Thank you for your answer, TinkerBell. It may be unique to Cobra of whom I am not a fan.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph, and a designation of aunt or uncle who is not a relative has been used in my experience as well. But "family type people" threw me.

[cat3]

I believe he will go by there every time he visits to check for donation jars.

MO

Only after he runs down a few old ladies.....Ohhh boy.....lest anyone think I'm serious.....it was sarcasm for you all that like to picture Ron in the role of monster.lol IMO

[aproudmom]

Hey teresa,good to *see* you.I ran across that old video of CS being asked how she felt about the dumpster search,and her comment that she was really mad right now.Talk about an odd reaction from a mother.hmmm.IMO

did she say why she was mad? I was mad seeing it on TV scared me to death was afraid they were going to find her in there and they allowed the cameras to roll as they removed everything....

[diamond]

Only after he runs down a few old ladies.....Ohhh boy.....lest anyone think I'm serious.....it was sarcasm for you all that like to picture Ron in the role of monster.lol IMO

He created his role.

[diamond]

I remember that and thought it was so odd, then a few posters on here said he probably knew who it was by the ringtone or that he somehow saw the number. All I know is, from my perspective, the drop to the knees and the way Ronald reacted, was just over the top for me. Some will ask how was he suppose to react or no one knows how they will react until it happens to them, but it's just my opinion that it was completely fabricated and exaggerated.

moo

ITA

At the end of that video performance, he stands up and he said, "I'm done" and walked away.

[cat3]

did she say why she was mad? I was mad seeing it on TV scared me to death was afraid they were going to find her in there and they allowed the cameras to roll as they removed everything....

Here you go,proudmom.I saved the link.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&provider=top

I was scared too,and that is why I couldn't believe Crystal's reaction.
She was focused on her feelings vs the possibility that Haleigh might be found in a dumpster.....wow.
She was mad because of rumors that she couldn't be found for DNA testing.IMO

[cat3]

He created his role.

Really? I think he had some help from the likes of Marie,KP,Crystal,Geraldo,Cobra and,AH.
Just my strong opinion.IMO

[aproudmom]

I remember that and thought it was so odd, then a few posters on here said he probably knew who it was by the ringtone or that he somehow saw the number. All I know is, from my perspective, the drop to the knees and the way Ronald reacted, was just over the top for me. Some will ask how was he suppose to react or no one knows how they will react until it happens to them, but it's just my opinion that it was completely fabricated and exaggerated.

moo

and you are here to give your opinion I watched the raw video of that and pointed out alot of comments he made some really bothered me..and that is my opinion on that interview and no one will change my mind on that one..he said some very odd things and I even typed them out on here a month ago..

[diamond]

Here you go,proudmom.I saved the link.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=132320&provider=top

I was scared too,and that is why I couldn't believe Crystal's reaction.
She was focused on her feelings vs the possibility that Haleigh might be found in a dumpster.....wow.
She was mad because of rumors that she couldn't be found for DNA testing.IMO

Review the link you posted to answer your questions about why she was angry. She clearly states why. It was the rumors. She says the rumors are "bull crap". She clearly states that she is not hiding, running away and she is not going anywhere until her daughter is found.

[Themis]

I remember that and thought it was so odd, then a few posters on here said he probably knew who it was by the ringtone or that he somehow saw the number. All I know is, from my perspective, the drop to the knees and the way Ronald reacted, was just over the top for me. Some will ask how was he suppose to react or no one knows how they will react until it happens to them, but it's just my opinion that it was completely fabricated and exaggerated.

moo
Yes, I remember the earlier discussion on this board about RC not answering the cell phone ringing and the reasoning other posters gave as to why he did not answer. That did not wash for me then and it still doesn't. Neither RC nor TN had any idea WHO might have any information about poor little Haleigh. No way would I not answer any phone -- no matter the ring tone or what number it was coming from -- if my child had been kidnapped from her own mattress in the middle of the night. [JMO * Themis]

[diamond]

Really? I think he had some help from the likes of Marie,KP,Crystal,Geraldo,Cobra and,AH.
Just my strong opinion.IMO

Don't you mean TN, Granny Sykes and Misty?

[JackiBlu]

Someone mentioned in a post today about Haleigh's hands being wrapped. I remember when that picture first came out and posters were accusing Ron or Misty of abuse.

The hands being wrapped are due to a condition caused by Turners Syndrome. It's called Lymphedema; here are some links.

http://www.lymphnotes.com/article.php/id/154/

Lymphedema is present in about 70% of those with TS and the hands and feet are most commonly affected. This form of lymphedema is the result of the underdevelopment of the lymphatic system before birth. As the child matures, this swelling is managed using with the same treatment methods that are used to control other types of lymphedema.

http://www.altru.org/body.cfm?id=367

What are the Symptoms?
Swollen legs, ankles or arms
Heavy, tired, aching legs or arms
Burning, itching, or pain in extremities
Rapid increase in weight
Dry, flaky, and discolored skin
Clothing and shoes becomes tight
Inability to walk or move easily



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How does Treatment Help?
Reduces size of affected area
Reduces likelihood of infections
Improves mobility
Offers the skills and knowledge to manage the condition and maintain everyday activity



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What if it is Left Untreated?
If left untreated it can make a person more susceptible to infections from simple insect bites, animal scratches or minor cuts. These serious infections can result in cellulitis or lymphangitis (infection of the skin). Also, limbs may become enlarged, impairing the ability to participate in work and daily activities.

Treatment includes:

Light massage
Compression
Skin care
Exercise
Patient education for on-going self management

So there was no abuse causing Haleigh's hands to be wrapped.

[cat3]

I remember watching that online. I honestly felt that CS was angry because the dumpster had not been searched, but also that she was really starting to believe that MC or RC had killed this child, and she really wasnt coming back. I thought up to that day, she believed MC.

None of them are bright bulbs lets face it. I'm surprised that MC even had a PC in the home based on her lack of language skills. maybe she plays solitaire only, who knows :D

I do not believe her story, I think it is very possible that the child was missing long before 3am. 3:30am was just the planned hour to sound the fake alarm. But, sadly that is what I've thought since the first read through of the reports. I didnt believe an abduction occurred, and I dont think LE believes it either. The home was taped off as a crime scene. LE referred to it as a crime scene.

DP's arrest tonight is a good signal. One day, MC and RC will be walking around and they will be there, waiting.

Justice for Haleigh. She's gone. She is still out there. RC said so.
He said so when TES announced they were leaving. Ooops.

bugout,I posted the link in post 124.Crystal when asked about how she felt that a search of a dumpster was going on about a block away,said (with crossed arms) that she was mad about rumors about her.
As for Misty....I'm not sure how I feel about her.I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out she is guilty in some way.Might be she wasn't home that night.
Have to agree about DP. IMO

[diamond]

:laugh: I forgot that part, that was the best part and I left it out, lol. That was amazing and one of the best bluffing switcheroo's I've ever seen on tv, wow. "I'm done". Almost as good as the one liner by Misty "They call me step mom" (in memory of Hannah). Incidentally, the body language between Ron and Misty is mind numbing when noticing how Misty takes her queue's from Ron, you smoke, I smoke, you put your hand over your eyes and cry, I put my hand over my eyes and cry, you put your arm around me, I put my arm around you, you put your smoke out, I put my smoke out. The synchronized motions of the two of them were staggering.

moo

Monkey see, monkey do, describes Misty.
Misty's line that stands out to me is "and that's all I know". She said that every time she repeated her script about the events leading up to Haleigh disappearing. It was the only line she got right every time.

[Themis]

and you are here to give your opinion I watched the raw video of that and pointed out alot of comments he made some really bothered me..and that is my opinion on that interview and no one will change my mind on that one..he said some very odd things and I even typed them out on here a month ago..
Yes, you did, AProudMom and did a great job. As I recall, I said I had never listened to it all the way through because I simply could not understand what he was saying through his crying. I had watched it but had to turn the sound off. Again, thank you for all your efforts. Themis

[aproudmom]

this is my problem why would you marry this girl if she can not get her crap together and help find his child why would he marry her that is my only problem guess me and him may think a little different..I would be dragging my Hubby in and say start talking or get out of here...all JMO..


They wouldn't talk specifics about Misty Croslin, Haleigh's babysitter that night, and now her fathers wife.

They have interviewed Misty about ten times and will only say there's problems with her story.

[diamond]

<bolding mine>

Ita. I think we may be in the minority where TN's act is concerned. The biting of the lip, constantly, was all too predictable, almost every single time. Same with the timed gasps, I was never a fan of her and believe to this day she continues to cover for her son and Misty also enabling Ron his entire life.

Ggm Sykes is no academy award winner either, imo. Loved it when she chewed on camera that this was no time to be bringing all this up, regarding Crystal's allegations and that the focus needed to be on Haleigh, yet a few weeks earlier her grandson Ronald was out getting tats and getting married, iirc.

The sister, Crystal was originally on the scene with words to add, however after a few screw ups on her part, "pedofires" along with a few other gems, they put her back behind the scenes, out of sight, out of mind, imo.

moo

you tube posters had a great time with the "pedofires" and her hair extensions. That was hilarious and she said "pedofires" about three times in that interview.

[cat3]

Review the link you posted to answer your questions about why she was angry. She clearly states why. It was the rumors. She says the rumors are "bull crap". She clearly states that she is not hiding, running away and she is not going anywhere until her daughter is found.

And you don't think it's at all strange that when asked directly how she feels about the search,that her answer is "I'm really mad" and goes on to expand on her reasons,which are rumors about her.
Fair is fair....if we can discuss all the Ron reactions,we should be able to discuss Crystal's or Crystal's lack of reaction/emotion.Her daughter might be found a block away in a dumpster and she is worried about a rumor.Very strange in my opinion.I would have been hotfooting it to the site,if I were Crystal.IMO

[JackiBlu]

And you don't think it's at all strange that when asked directly how she feels about the search,that her answer is "I'm really mad" and goes on to expand on her reasons,which are rumors about her.
Fair is fair....if we can discuss all the Ron reactions,we should be able to discuss Crystal's or Crystal's lack of reaction/emotion.Her daughter might be found a block away in a dumpster and she is worried about a rumor.Very strange in my opinion.I would have been hotfooting it to the site,if I were Crystal.IMO

ITA Cat. Crystal was more worried about what was being reported about her that day than her daughter possibly being in that dumpster.

JMO

[PerneciaJane]

I don't find it odd at all that he went back there. Sure he said previously he never wanted to step foot there again, but that was right after it happened. It's been weeks now, it is possible he wanted to be where he last saw her. I see no need to pick apart his every move and find evil in it.

As for the photos, why is it automatically assumed Ron or Misty did that to Haleigh? If you could see my son some months you'd think I am abusive. Everytime a black eye heals, another one seems to pop up. The last is when he jumped from his bed and slammed into the closet playing. And the bite, she has al ittle brother and she is around other kids, is it not possible another child bit her IF that is a bite mark? I'm not saying it wasn't an adult that did this to her, but instead of automatically assuming this is abuse look at all possiblities here instead of just the one.

If you blow that up enough it does not look like a bite. I am sure RC gave his attorney a large photo and they know exactly what is on her arm. It would be plainly stupid of all them to put up a photo if that was actually a bite mark.

[aproudmom]

Yes, you did, AProudMom and did a great job. As I recall, I said I had never listened to it all the way through because I simply could not understand what he was saying through his crying. I had watched it but had to turn the sound off. Again, thank you for all your efforts. Themis

Alot of stopping and starting it was very hard to listen to..but just found some very odd comments but it was just my opinion on it..I have always tried to stay neutral on both sides but will point out things on both if I see it in a way that catches my attention..

[diamond]

And you don't think it's at all strange that when asked directly how she feels about the search,that her answer is "I'm really mad" and goes on to expand on her reasons,which are rumors about her.
Fair is fair....if we can discuss all the Ron reactions,we should be able to discuss Crystal's or Crystal's lack of reaction/emotion.Her daughter might be found a block away in a dumpster and she is worried about a rumor.Very strange in my opinion.I would have been hotfooting it to the site,if I were Crystal.IMO

I don't read a lot into it. She explained why she was upset about the rumors. Ron said much worse. He told the reporters when he got his tatts that he couldn't do what he wanted to do without a camera in his face and here it is again, then he told them to get out of his face.
He got caught sneaking out of town to spend donation money.

MO

[aproudmom]

If you blow that up enough it does not look like a bite. I am sure RC gave his attorney a large photo and they know exactly what is on her arm. It would be plainly stupid of all them to put up a photo if that was actually a bite mark.

it looked like dirt to me but not real sure..

[carlybarly]

If you blow that up enough it does not look like a bite. I am sure RC gave his attorney a large photo and they know exactly what is on her arm. It would be plainly stupid of all them to put up a photo if that was actually a bite mark.

Thank you PerneciaJane, when I first looked at it I did not in anyway think it was a bite, but figured I would throw it in since so many are convinced it absolutely is. His attorney isn't an idiot and would have made sure it wasn't before putting it on his site is MO

[cat3]

I don't read a lot into it. She explained why she was upset about the rumors. Ron said much worse. He told the reporters when he got his tatts that he couldn't do what he wanted to do without a camera in his face and here it is again, then he told them to get out of his face.
He got caught sneaking out of town to spend donation money.

MO

Yes....but again.....her daughter might be found in a dumpster a block from where she is standing.Would you stand there and talk about how mad you are,or would you be thinking about Haleigh? IMO

[cat3]

ITA Cat. Crystal was more worried about what was being reported about her that day than her daughter possibly being in that dumpster.

JMO

It does seem a bit selfish to say the least.IMO

[cat3]

Jacki thats the exact same vibe i got from that interview.

I know I was stunned,and I'm not trying to start a big discussion or argument tonight,but I just ran across this vid again ,and thought...well lets discuss some of Crystal's reactions for a change.Everyday on here is pretty much Ron day.lol IMO

[aproudmom]

And you don't think it's at all strange that when asked directly how she feels about the search,that her answer is "I'm really mad" and goes on to expand on her reasons,which are rumors about her.
Fair is fair....if we can discuss all the Ron reactions,we should be able to discuss Crystal's or Crystal's lack of reaction/emotion.Her daughter might be found a block away in a dumpster and she is worried about a rumor.Very strange in my opinion.I would have been hotfooting it to the site,if I were Crystal.IMO

cat they told the family to not come there so she could not have went to the site..and not so sure either of them needed to be there anyway not knowing what may have been found..if we are talking about the big dumpster they emptied the one night..IIRC did she not give that interview before this search of the dumpster maybe I am wrong but if it was the day they were all reporting she took off and could not be found and they wanted DNA from her I thought she cleared that up during the day and the search of the dumpster was at night..please correct me if I am wrong I have not seen it in awhile

[diamond]

No that's not what i meant but i love how you twist things LOL. I think haleighs still alive and i'm pretty sure Crystal knows where shes at.

Your posts always amaze me, FA. Your opinion changes depending on who is posting. Good job.

[JackiBlu]

you tube posters had a great time with the "pedofires" and her hair extensions. That was hilarious and she said "pedofires" about three times in that interview.

A child is missing and you make fun of her Aunt because of her hair and the way she speaks. Glad you think it's so funny.

JMO

[diamond]

I disagree. I think plenty of donations came in, especially in the beginning.

moo

Enough to buy tatts, a truck, Chilli's night out for Mom's birthday, engagement ring, $1000 spent at the fair, wedding and reception...

[diamond]

A child is missing and you make fun of her Aunt because of her hair and the way she speaks. Glad you think it's so funny.

JMO

Yes, I do think it was funny. Every video on you tube there were posters comments about it. It was funny. And then she was removed from the front of the scene and not allowed to talk on camera anymore.

[aproudmom]

I know I was stunned,and I'm not trying to start a big discussion or argument tonight,but I just ran across this vid again ,and thought...well lets discuss some of Crystal's reactions for a change.Everyday on here is pretty much Ron day.lol IMO

I seem to come on the crystal nights usually..lol..I am not going to nit pick on videos either not worth it I wish this was not a circus and was about this child who is never being talked about anymore I wish these 2parents could both set aside the fighting and think of their son that goes back and forth between them..JMO

[PerneciaJane]

Thank you PerneciaJane, when I first looked at it I did not in anyway think it was a bite, but figured I would throw it in since so many are convinced it absolutely is. His attorney isn't an idiot and would have made sure it wasn't before putting it on his site is MO


I agree, a lot of these rumors we just need to use a little common sense. So far we have very little facts and a lot of rumors.

[cat3]

cat they told the family to not come there so she could not have went to the site..and not so sure either of them needed to be there anyway not knowing what may have been found..if we are talking about the big dumpster they emptied the one night..IIRC did she not give that interview before this search of the dumpster maybe I am wrong but if it was the day they were all reporting she took off and could not be found and they wanted DNA from her I thought she cleared that up during the day and the search of the dumpster was at night..please correct me if I am wrong I have not seen it in awhile

proudmom.you're correct.I don't think they would have allowed family to get very close for fear of what they might have found,but...a common reaction wouldn't have been Crystal's reaction in my opinion.
I think the interview with Crystal was during the dumpster search and the search did continue on into the evening hours.The reporter asked her how she felt about the search,and Crystal said "I'm mad" and went on about her anger over rumors that she couldn't be found for DNA tests.IMO

[JackiBlu]

She isn't alone, a great deal of people had the same line of thinking and I believe that is the reason Crystal got pushed to the back of the camera spotlight. Iirc, she hasn't been heard from since. She couldn't speak well and was trying too hard to glam it up for the camera's, moo.

And that makes it ok to make fun of her?