Wednesday May 6

[madameX]

Good morning all, another day with no news. Let's pray that changes before the day is out and Haleigh comes home.

[sickntired]

:rose:Haleigh:rose:

[JackiBlu]

GM X ITA. Praying Haleigh comes home today!!!!

[Peaches]

Good morning all, another day with no news. Let's pray that changes before the day is out and Haleigh comes home.


Thank you for this invitation..................I will join you.

Prayers for Haleigh and all those who love her!

[?noanswer]

o/t Just checked the putnam co. site. Looks like they got a big fish last night. He is not a local, but looks like from doing a further search he was picked up for distributing oxycontin. Bail 250,000.

Hoping Haleigh is found. JMO

[JackiBlu]

o/t Just checked the putnam co. site. Looks like they got a big fish last night. He is not a local, but looks like from doing a further search he was picked up for distributing oxycontin. Bail 250,000.

Hoping Haleigh is found. JMO

GM ?no. If Haleigh being gone and it had anything to do with these drug dealers; hopefully LE can get some information out of them before they get bonded out.

JMO

[sleuth]

o/t Just checked the putnam co. site. Looks like they got a big fish last night. He is not a local, but looks like from doing a further search he was picked up for distributing oxycontin. Bail 250,000.

Hoping Haleigh is found. JMO

Great work. Could you list that site url. The only one I have, you are required to enter a name and %. I'd like to know how to just search the daily activity. Thank you.

[panache]

Great work. Could you list that site url. The only one I have, you are required to enter a name and %. I'd like to know how to just search the daily activity. Thank you.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753881&IMG=58508

[JackiBlu]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753881&IMG=58508

Wow that is a huge amount for bail.

[Mimi428]

o/t Just checked the putnam co. site. Looks like they got a big fish last night. He is not a local, but looks like from doing a further search he was picked up for distributing oxycontin. Bail 250,000.

Hoping Haleigh is found. JMO

Were you able to find out which county had the original warrant?

TIA

[panache]

Wow that is a huge amount for bail.

Would it be 10% required by the bondsman? $25,003.

[diamond]

Prayers for Haleigh

[panache]

New Video....Haleigh Remains Missing.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0504HaleighFolo_050420090853&cat=Local&title=Haleigh

[panache]

New Video....Haleigh Remains Missing.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0504HaleighFolo_050420090853&cat=Local&title=Haleigh

May I add, that yes, the Haleighbug Center has been closed for a few days. It's been said that Crystal has been staying with relatives resting due to her illness.

moo

[?noanswer]

Great work. Could you list that site url. The only one I have, you are required to enter a name and %. I'd like to know how to just search the daily activity. Thank you.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Don't have to search. It is the last 7 days of daily bookings. There sure is a lot of people in and out on a daily basis. Mostly theft, disturbance, and drugs. JMO

[?noanswer]

Were you able to find out which county had the original warrant?

TIA

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/WantedList.aspx?LastName=S

Clay County. Don't know how close that is to Satsuma. JMO

[?noanswer]

New Video....Haleigh Remains Missing.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0504HaleighFolo_050420090853&cat=Local&title=Haleigh


They said 4 months. When I count on my fingers, I come up with 3. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

They said 4 months. When I count on my fingers, I come up with 3. JMO

So nobody has been in and around the Haleighbug Foundation for days either?

It is three months, and not four. This is all far too sad. :sad: JMO

[?noanswer]

So nobody has been in and around the Haleighbug Foundation for days either?

It is three months, and not four. This is all far too sad. :sad: JMO

It doesn't surprise me. The excitement has worn off, the TV cameras are gone, and if the sheriff's dept. is not getting any information, I doubt if there was any tips coming into the HBC. If there are no donations, I wonder how long they will be able to pay the $500. rent and utilities.

Hopefully something will break soon and Haleigh will come home. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

May I add, that yes, the Haleighbug Center has been closed for a few days. It's been said that Crystal has been staying with relatives resting due to her illness.

moo

Do you have a link to that? When listening to the reporter describe what the landlord said, it almost sounded as though The Haleigh House was closing up. Just his description of "all that remains" maybe.....

I think all these people looking to make money in the cases of missing children think it will make them rich and famous too, but that's not the case here IMO.

Oh and again, TOTALLY BAFFLED about Cobra giving up millions to stay on the case....OMG, what a farce. :angry:JMO

[JackiBlu]

Would it be 10% required by the bondsman? $25,003.

Just asked hubby. He was a corrections officer, now retired. He said at least 10% and usually collateral on the balance. So house, boats or cars.

[diamond]

May I add, that yes, the Haleighbug Center has been closed for a few days. It's been said that Crystal has been staying with relatives resting due to her illness.

moo

Thank you for the information. It is understandable that she needs a few days rest considering what she is going through. Not only her illness but the heartbreaking grief of a lost child.

Let's remember to pray for Haleigh and her family.

[Mimi428]

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/WantedList.aspx?LastName=S

Clay County. Don't know how close that is to Satsuma. JMO

You notice on his booking info they have him listed as being from Melrose. According to Wikipedia, Melrose is in the '4 Corners' of Florida & crosses in & out of Alachua, Bradford, Clay & Putnam Counties.

He is definitely a big fish if they have his bail set at $250,000. I wonder how many connections he had to the lower level druggies in & around Satsuma. Hmmmmm.

[dustyk]

Do you have a link to that? When listening to the reporter describe what the landlord said, it almost sounded as though The Haleigh House was closing up. Just his description of "all that remains" maybe.....

I think all these people looking to make money in the cases of missing children think it will make them rich and famous too, but that's not the case here IMO.

Oh and again, TOTALLY BAFFLED about Cobra giving up millions to stay on the case....OMG, what a farce. :angry:JMO
You would think maybe the Cummings family would step in to help it stay open. IMO

[?noanswer]

You notice on his booking info they have him listed as being from Melrose. According to Wikipedia, Melrose is in the '4 Corners' of Florida & crosses in & out of Alachua, Bradford, Clay & Putnam Counties.

He is definitely a big fish if they have his bail set at $250,000. I wonder how many connections he had to the lower level druggies in & around Satsuma. Hmmmmm.

Wouldn't it be something if this arrest leads to the break LE was looking for.


JMO

[diamond]

Do you have a link to that? When listening to the reporter describe what the landlord said, it almost sounded as though The Haleigh House was closing up. Just his description of "all that remains" maybe.....

I think all these people looking to make money in the cases of missing children think it will make them rich and famous too, but that's not the case here IMO.

Oh and again, TOTALLY BAFFLED about Cobra giving up millions to stay on the case....OMG, what a farce. :angry:JMO

At least it is something even if there isn't anyone there for a few days. The purple building alone is a reminder to people passing by that Haleigh is still missing.

[diamond]

You would think maybe the Cummings family would step in to help it stay open. IMO

It would certainly improve Ron's image if he volunteered and his mother's, too. Maybe not a lot of improvement but he should at least be doing something in the search for Haleigh.

[?noanswer]

You would think maybe the Cummings family would step in to help it stay open. IMO

If there has not been any activity, then it would be throwing good money after bad. As far as stepping in to help it stay open, I would think the Sheffield family would be the first to step in to help it stay open.

The phone no. for tips could be relocated to either KP or CS. That way no tips would be missed. JMO

[JackiBlu]

Do you have a link to that? When listening to the reporter describe what the landlord said, it almost sounded as though The Haleigh House was closing up. Just his description of "all that remains" maybe.....

I think all these people looking to make money in the cases of missing children think it will make them rich and famous too, but that's not the case here IMO.

Oh and again, TOTALLY BAFFLED about Cobra giving up millions to stay on the case....OMG, what a farce. :angry:JMO

I'm surprised the we haven't heard from KP in weeks. Since JVM is still covering some of Haleigh's story I would think she would be invited.

Wonder why we haven't heard from her and with the DCPS past the 60 days. I think that's what KP said last time she was on JVM that it usually doesn't take more than 60 days or they have 60 days. I would have to go back and read to be sure the exact wording.

JMO

[dustyk]

If there has not been any activity, then it would be throwing good money after bad. As far as stepping in to help it stay open, I would think the Sheffield family would be the first to step in to help it stay open.

The phone no. for tips could be relocated to either KP or CS. That way no tips would be missed. JMO
All it takes is one good tip!!!! $500.00 per month until she is found...Is Haleigh not worth that??? IMO The Sheffield family has been there since it opened, Haleigh has a dad and he could help. IMO

[?noanswer]

It would certainly improve Ron's image if he volunteered and his mother's, too. Maybe not a lot of improvement but he should at least be doing something in the search for Haleigh.

Do you really think CS's mother, her atty., or Ron's att. would allow that? JMO

[diamond]

I'm surprised the we haven't heard from KP in weeks. Since JVM is still covering some of Haleigh's story I would think she would be invited.

Wonder why we haven't heard from her and with the DCPS past the 60 days. I think that's what KP said last time she was on JVM that it usually doesn't take more than 60 days or they have 60 days. I would have to go back and read to be sure the exact wording.

JMO

I read on another board that the DCF hearing is today and the information on the findings will not be released for ten days.

[dustyk]

Do you really think CS's mother, her atty., or Ron's att. would allow that? JMO
don't know...but it would show he cares enough to keep Haleigh's name out there. IMO

[?noanswer]

All it takes is one good tip!!!! $500.00 per month until she is found...Is Haleigh not worth that??? IMO The Sheffield family has been there since it opened, Haleigh has a dad and he could help. IMO

Haleigh is worth whatever it takes to find her. JMO

[diamond]

Do you really think CS's mother, her atty., or Ron's att. would allow that? JMO

I don't know if they would or not.

[panache]

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/WantedList.aspx?LastName=S

Check Sumner's charge

[JackiBlu]

Do you really think CS's mother, her atty., or Ron's att. would allow that? JMO

I don't think any of the above you mentioned would allow it. It's really too bad that this custody battle had to be fought while no one knows what happened to Haleigh. I think this is one of the reasons all the big networks backed off the story. If it was just about a beautiful 5 year old missing girl, I think that would have made all the difference in the world.

It's all so sad.

JMO

[panache]

I read on another board that the DCF hearing is today and the information on the findings will not be released for ten days.

My understanding is the hearing was yesterday. I doubt the results will be made public.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/D463635AD3AA7FDF85257275006E445F

[?noanswer]

I don't think any of the above you mentioned would allow it. It's really too bad that this custody battle had to be fought while no one knows what happened to Haleigh. I think this is one of the reasons all the big networks backed off the story. If it was just about a beautiful 5 year old missing girl, I think that would have made all the difference in the world.

It's all so sad.

JMO

I think that is the reason too. The story became about custody and whose atty. could throw the most dirt. Little Haleigh's story was lost in the shuffle. Then along comes the publicity seeking 3 musketeers and what little had been happening came to a grinding halt. JMO

[JackiBlu]

I read on another board that the DCF hearing is today and the information on the findings will not be released for ten days.

If the hearing is today it should be listed under the court dockets for the county. I'll see if I can find it.

JMO

[diamond]

I don't think any of the above you mentioned would allow it. It's really too bad that this custody battle had to be fought while no one knows what happened to Haleigh. I think this is one of the reasons all the big networks backed off the story. If it was just about a beautiful 5 year old missing girl, I think that would have made all the difference in the world.

It's all so sad.

JMO

There is a chance that the DFCS investigation will turn up some information. Let's hope it does and will lead to finding out what happen to Haleigh.

[diamond]

If the hearing is today it should be listed under the court dockets for the county. I'll see if I can find it.

JMO

Great idea. Thanks.

[?noanswer]

My understanding is the hearing was yesterday. I doubt the results will be made public.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/D463635AD3AA7FDF85257275006E445F

Would the court documents as before be available under the sunshine law? Guess we can deduce what the end results were depending on where little JR ends up. JMO

[JackiBlu]

http://p2c.claysheriff.com/WantedList.aspx?LastName=S

Check Sumner's charge


Wow he must have had lots of it for his bail to be so high. I think oxycodene is the generic name for percocet. So it's not the same as oxycontin; that's the really bad one.

JMO

[Texas48]

Do you have a link to that? When listening to the reporter describe what the landlord said, it almost sounded as though The Haleigh House was closing up. Just his description of "all that remains" maybe.....

I think all these people looking to make money in the cases of missing children think it will make them rich and famous too, but that's not the case here IMO.

Oh and again, TOTALLY BAFFLED about Cobra giving up millions to stay on the case....OMG, what a farce. :angry:JMOCandy..I can get the video to play but no sound..what did they say...if you dont mind me asking..about Cobra giving up $$..if this is where you heard it..TIA

[JackiBlu]

I think that is the reason too. The story became about custody and whose atty. could throw the most dirt. Little Haleigh's story was lost in the shuffle. Then along comes the publicity seeking 3 musketeers and what little had been happening came to a grinding halt. JMO

Yep that's what it has become. That's why it is so very sad. Poor little Haleigh.

[Mimi428]

Wow he must have had lots of it for his bail to be so high. I think oxycodene is the generic name for percocet. So it's not the same as oxycontin; that's the really bad one.

JMO

The active ingredient in Oxycontin is Oxycodone which is the main ingredient in Percocet, Percodan, Tylox, Roxicet, Oxycocet, OxyIR, Endodan, Endocet and probably a few more names not mentioned.

http://www.drugbuyers.com/oxycontin/

Even if taken whole - the doses can be too high for someone who has never taken opiates before in their life. When these tablets are crushed it is even more detrimental. Percocet contains 5mg of Oxycodone - One 80 Mg Oxycontin contains the equivalent of 16 Percocet. When crushed it is like taking 16 Percocet at one time. One 160mg tablet is equivalent to 32 Percocet. So when used illegally and crushed it is like taking a whole bottle of Percocet at once.

[panache]

Would the court documents as before be available under the sunshine law? Guess we can deduce what the end results were depending on where little JR ends up. JMO

Doesn't that link I posted say all findings are *confidential* re minors?

[Texas48]

Wouldn't it be something if this arrest leads to the break LE was looking for.


JMO
How right you are .....any little biddy thing could be the one break to find Haleigh..

[panache]

If the hearing is today it should be listed under the court dockets for the county. I'll see if I can find it.

JMO

I think the hearing was yesterday Jacki.

[JackiBlu]

I see Art's site is full of gossip and rumor comments again. and Art's comments sure lets it be perfectly clear he doesn't like Ron or Ron's family. Sure wish we had ONE unbiased journalist working this case.


MOO

I'm very surprised that he is letting so many rumors and gossip on his site. All comments have to be approved by HIM before he posts them. So he knows exactly what is happening.

With him being sued by Anna Nicole Smith's mom; I don't understand why he is allowing it to happen again.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Doesn't that link I posted say all findings are *confidential* re minors?

Why are the other hearing details available? The children were even younger minors at that time. JMO

[Texas48]

At least it is something even if there isn't anyone there for a few days. The purple building alone is a reminder to people passing by that Haleigh is still missing.
that very well could be true diamond..the purple bldg. as a reminder..but if the cost of keeping it open is more than the donations coming in..then Crystal will need to make a decesion to keep it operating or close it up. and in no way am I suggesting Crystal's health and baby C. are more important than the HBC and the reminder Haleigh is STILL missing but there comes a time when some serious decisions be made. Crystal can be of little value to baby C. if her health issues are not tended to and along with baby C. there is also Jr. that is and will be needing his mother. just my opinions.

[panache]

Candy..I can get the video to play but no sound..what did they say...if you dont mind me asking..about Cobra giving up $$..if this is where you heard it..TIA

Um, Cobra wasn't mentioned in that video.

moo

[diamond]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19383667/detail.html

Body found south of Satsuma. About 85 miles away. No ID or gender released yet.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm surprised the we haven't heard from KP in weeks. Since JVM is still covering some of Haleigh's story I would think she would be invited.

Wonder why we haven't heard from her and with the DCPS past the 60 days. I think that's what KP said last time she was on JVM that it usually doesn't take more than 60 days or they have 60 days. I would have to go back and read to be sure the exact wording.

JMO

Sadly Jacki, I think the players who INTERJECTED THEMSELVES INTO THIS CASE will be dipping in and out as they leave lives shattered in their wake IMO.

These people think they can turn a tragedy into a money making business now and it doesn't work like that from my POV. From the moment Kim Picazio came on the scene, we have witnessed the slow erosion of attention for HALEIGH IMO. :sad:

She had to go public with unfounded allegations instead of silently turning in her alleged evidence of abuse, and as a result she found herself going toe to toe with one of the most prominent VICTIM's ADVOCATES herself who COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP IMO. :cursing:

I feel very strongly about the damage that was done given that we now know LE was aware of these people. The public exploitation of these low level players by Kim, Cobra and Art has been detrimental IMO and we are seeing the sad outcome now. Nothing is moving in the search to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS!:wub:

But we have a few side shows hanging around waiting to see if there are any hand outs left and that's the impression I am getting from Cobra and TJ via their video.

I'm anxious to see what the findings amount to unless that has already been handed over to Kim, hence Crystal's absence.

JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Haleigh is worth whatever it takes to find her. JMO

Oh dear, I certainly agree with that ?answer. However, this purple building was born of other needs. Remember at that time, there was still a task force actively involved and I'm not sure that task force is not still in existence.

The opening of the building was predicated on a way to get around the donations and whether they had to go to the custodial parent of Haleigh IMO. I have read back and find that to be accurate after ALLEGATIONS of RON taking donation money and this would be a way around that IIRC.

IT was opened with a very specific purpose and a desire to have a place to live for Crystal and Chloe (maybe Chadd too, but I don't know that for fact) as they awaited the return of Haleigh.

I have no monetary cap on FINDING A CHILD, but don't buy into all the expenses thrown out there by the people who have inserted themselves into this tragedy and are exploiting others. JMO :sad:

[Ice Cycle]

I think that is the reason too. The story became about custody and whose atty. could throw the most dirt. Little Haleigh's story was lost in the shuffle. Then along comes the publicity seeking 3 musketeers and what little had been happening came to a grinding halt. JMO

Just checking in to see if any new developments for Haleigh and by the way I could not agree more to the above statement.
Really sad that they could not back off with the drama and give her the time and attention she deserves.

[Mimi428]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19383667/detail.html

Body found south of Satsuma. About 85 miles away. No ID or gender released yet.

Thanks for that posting that link. Much appreciated.

[diamond]

Oh dear, I certainly agree with that ?answer. However, this purple building was born of other needs. Remember at that time, there was still a task force actively involved and I'm not sure that task force is not still in existence.

The opening of the building was predicated on a way to get around the donations and whether they had to go to the custodial parent of Haleigh IMO. I have read back and find that to be accurate after ALLEGATIONS of RON taking donation money and this would be a way around that IIRC.

IT was opened with a very specific purpose and a desire to have a place to live for Crystal and Chloe (maybe Chadd too, but I don't know that for fact) as they awaited the return of Haleigh.

I have no monetary cap on FINDING A CHILD, but don't buy into all the expenses thrown out there by the people who have inserted themselves into this tragedy and are exploiting others. JMO :sad:

I hope there is still a task force searching for Haleigh. The "purple building" is for Haleigh and I see nothing wrong with that. People can ride by that building and see her pictures and her name. It is a reminder to people passing that there is a little girl out there that needs help, that needs to be found, that justice must prevail.

People that want to donate to Crystal or the haleighbug center should be able to do so without Ron taking the money. If people want to donate to him there is a place they can do so.

[diamond]

It's straight south thru the Ocala Nat Forest...remember Chad reynolds is still missing too

Chad is missing? :ohmy:

[Texas48]

It's straight south thru the Ocala Nat Forest...remember Chad reynolds is still missing tooyour thoughts of Chad R. always pops into my mind X..Its a scary thing to know a baby girl is missing and so is a SO..The report of a body being found gives me schivers up the back of my neck..I think of Crystal and Ron and all the family members when a report comes out like this one..what must go through their minds..I have no shame in admitting that I couldn't survive...my opinions.

[bookie]

Chad is missing? :ohmy:


Chad Reynolds...registered sex offender, not Chad Griffis, Crystal's fiancee.

[diamond]

and don't forget if you donate to the Haleighbug you helping take care of baby Chloe........:glare:

I would rather buy diapers for the baby than tatts for Ron. But that is just me.

[Mimi428]

and don't forget if you donate to the Haleighbug you helping take care of baby Chloe........:glare:

OMG! The horror! I just don't think the average person could bear up to the idea of contributing to the care of an infant whose mother has had to leave her home to be closer to the investigation into the search for her missing child. My goodness, what will be next? Paying for tattoos? Funding weddings? Vehicle purchases?

Please, somebody - pass the smelling salts. TIA

[panache]

Maybe when Crystal and KP drew the line in the sand.....
Praying for Haleigh.

Long before KP arrived on the scene, there was a breech between the families. Ron mentions it here on this video, dated Feb. 11. That's two days after Haleigh went missing. Seems to me Kim gets blamed for something that already was in the mix.

moo

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/VIDEO/902132003&template=video

[Mimi428]

Why is Chloe more special then Jr?

Why is it when someone say something about Crystal some of you only want to talk about Ronald?

I don't think one of them is more special than the other. If I did think one of them was more special, you would have read about it in the prior post.

But now that you mention it - why was Ron's wedding, Ron's tats & Ron's vehicle purchase more special than Jr?

[Riverwalk!]

You are aware that Chad was Crystal's boyfriend before he became her STEP-brother, aren't you? They did the match making to introduce her mother and his father to each other. So I think your insinuations are unfounded.

Nancy Marie Sheffield and Bruce A. Griffis married on 1/6/02 in Baker County Florida.

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/ImageBrowser/image.aspx?ImageId=230290&png=-1

[Mimi428]

no crystals brother/boyfriend




Chad G is not Crystal's brother. Not a drop of family blood between the two of them. But you knew that already.

[sickntired]

OMG! The horror! I just don't think the average person could bear up to the idea of contributing to the care of an infant whose mother has had to leave her home to be closer to the investigation into the search for her missing child. My goodness, what will be next? Paying for tattoos? Funding weddings? Vehicle purchases?

Please, somebody - pass the smelling salts. TIA

I don't have any smelling salts, but maybe this will help....:punch:



don't forget; pimping the ride out, 'cus only God can judge.

[bookie]

Nancy Marie Sheffield and Bruce A. Griffis married on 1/6/02 in Baker County Florida.

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/ImageBrowser/image.aspx?ImageId=230290&png=-1



Kind of puts to rest the claim that Crystal and Chad matched them since Crystal was with Ron 7 years ago.

[?noanswer]

Nancy Marie Sheffield and Bruce A. Griffis married on 1/6/02 in Baker County Florida.

http://208.75.175.18/oncoreweb/ImageBrowser/image.aspx?ImageId=230290&png=-1

Wasn't CS still with RC in 02? JMO

[bookie]

Chad G is not Crystal's brother. Not a drop of family blood between the two of them. But you knew that already.


He is her stepbrother since their parents are married.

[bookie]

Wasn't CS still with RC in 02? JMO



Yes. They hooked up when she was 15 according to her.

[Mimi428]

I don't have any smelling salts, but maybe this will help....:punch:



don't forget; pimping the ride out, 'cus only God can judge.

Thanks. I needed that.

I had forgotten about pimpin' the ride out, thanks for the reminder.

[panache]

Wasn't CS still with RC in 02? JMO

I would think so if Haleigh is five and Junior is 4.

moo

[diamond]

Kind of puts to rest the claim that Crystal and Chad matched them since Crystal was with Ron 7 years ago.

Perhaps her mother and his father matched Crystal and Chad. I read about the match making on the internet blogs and thought it was the parents that were introduced to each other. In any case they are not brother and sister and any insinuation of incest is unfounded.

[Owlface]

Here-we-go-round-and-round...

Chad G. should be taking care of his daughter. Not donations.
Hopefully the custody hearing judge will have that information also.

There's a custody hearing regarding Chad and Crystal's daughter? That's news to me.

[Mimi428]

He is her stepbrother since their parents are married.

You might want to pass that info on to FA, since she is the one who posted the consanguination remark.

[bookie]

You might want to pass that info on to FA, since she is the one who posted the consanguination remark.




You do know that to some people marrying a stepsibling is close enough to incest right? To each their own. I wouldn't marry a stepbrother.

[Mimi428]

You do know that to some people marrying a stepsibling is close enough to incest right? To each their own. I wouldn't marry a stepbrother.

Were they raised in the same household as siblings? I have step-sisters myself, but we were never raised in the same household, our parents were married when we were all grown up. So I just can't quite grasp the feigned horror over two people who were not raised in the same household & do not share the same blood as being consanguination.

[panache]

You do know that to some people marrying a stepsibling is close enough to incest right? To each their own. I wouldn't marry a stepbrother.

*Close to incest?* Really, how so?

[sickntired]

Does anyone remember which came first: CS attorney KP or RC tattoo...because I think the tattoo was about the time that the focus was no longer on Haleigh being missing and it all went down hill from there.

Just Wondering.


JMO

[diamond]

You do know that to some people marrying a stepsibling is close enough to incest right? To each their own. I wouldn't marry a stepbrother.

No, it is not. Incest is defined as "Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom."

Step-siblings are only related by the marriage of one of their parents to each other. If that marriage ends they are no longer step-siblings.

[bookie]

Were they raised in the same household as siblings? I have step-sisters myself, but we were never raised in the same household, our parents were married when we were all grown up. So I just can't quite grasp the feigned horror over two people who were not raised in the same household & do not share the same blood as being consanguination.



They were around 16 when their parents married. I'd say it's a safe bet they were raised in the same home for some time. I've seen nothing showing Crystal wasn't living at home at that age.

[bookie]

*Close to incest?* Really, how so?



Because of the fact that they are related, even though it's by marriage.

How long did the parents date before marrying? Did they live together with both children before they got married?

You may think it's ok but there are many people who don't. I'm one of those people.

[?noanswer]

They were around 16 when their parents married. I'd say it's a safe bet they were raised in the same home for some time. I've seen nothing showing Crystal wasn't living at home at that age.

Did CS ever live with RC or was she living at home when all the hanky panky was taking place? JMO

[diamond]

Long before KP arrived on the scene, there was a breech between the families. Ron mentions it here on this video, dated Feb. 11. That's two days after Haleigh went missing. Seems to me Kim gets blamed for something that already was in the mix.

moo

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090213/VIDEO/902132003&template=video

Thanks for posting this video. Look at Theresa when Ron is talking. She looks scared to death that he is going to say something that will give away the family secret.
Ron's voice and Misty's are just so uncaring and monotone.

[bookie]

No, it is not. Incest is defined as "Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom."

Step-siblings are only related by the marriage of one of their parents to each other. If that marriage ends they are no longer step-siblings.



My mothers marriage ended with my stepfather but I still consider his children as my stepsiblings. That relationship doesn't end just because the marriage does.

[bookie]

Did CS ever live with RC or was she living at home when all the hanky panky was taking place? JMO


The only time Crystal living with Ron has ever been mentioned was after Haleigh was born so I'm guessing she lived at home. She was 15 when they first started dating, he was 17.

[diamond]

My mothers marriage ended with my stepfather but I still consider his children as my stepsiblings. That relationship doesn't end just because the marriage does.

Legally it does. If you are close to your step-siblings you are emotionally related.

[panache]

ok guys I realize that I am just one insignificant poster in the great cog of posters on this board, but I have to say something, you can read it or scroll past.

I can't do this today. I cannot stand for one more minute the baiting, the bickering, the backbiting, the unfounded accusations that are posted on this board by the same people, day after day after day after day. I found this board when I googled Haleigh's name the day after she went missing and thought wow, I found a place where people are going to discuss what happened, what might have happened, what could have happened. Boy, am I totally disappointed for the most part. Those of us that DO want to discuss interesting, new aspects of the case are continually shoved to the side, and totally ignored.

Do some of you ever stop to think about how you make other people feel about their opinions and theories?

I am just tired of the baiting and the bashing......gotta take a break today. Maybe tomorrow will be different. I sure hope so.

I look at posting with you guys on this board this way, I try to treat each and every one of you as I would someone I was having a conversation with in my home. And I am not comfortable here, not at all.

Yall have a good one, I have better things to do today.

I know how you feel, I posted this last night.



I've partcipated on these boards in so many cases I've lost count. Never have I seen a case quite like this one where there is such a wide chasm between posters. Usually there is an exchange of opinions, evidence discussed, and yes, sometimes clues dissected. This case, on this board, seems to have developed into two teams, neither accomplishing much of anything, except who can get the best and last snipe in. That's what's truly sad. Because it does have all the elements for some great discussion with all the child abductions and murders that seem to be so prevalant lately.

[?noanswer]

Just did a search to see if there was anymore information on the body found this AM. The only thing different on this site from the one posted that a "man" walking his dog found the body. The posted site said a "woman". Do any of these news agency ever get their information correct? JMO

[titanfan217]

OMG! The horror! I just don't think the average person could bear up to the idea of contributing to the care of an infant whose mother has had to leave her home to be closer to the investigation into the search for her missing child. My goodness, what will be next? Paying for tattoos? Funding weddings? Vehicle purchases?

Please, somebody - pass the smelling salts. TIA

Has anyone complained that donating to RC might mean that some would go to the care of JR?

If not, why not?

[bookie]

Legally it does. If you are close to your step-siblings you are emotionally related.



I wasn't talking about legally. I was talking about morally which is why I said close to incest, not incest.

[CANDYKISSES]

Thanks for posting this video. Look at Theresa when Ron is talking. She looks scared to death that he is going to say something that will give away the family secret.
Ron's voice and Misty's are just so uncaring and monotone.

Why would TERESA worry about RON telling the Griffis family secret of Crystal and Chad being step-siblings? :confused:

:confused:JMO

[panache]

Does anyone remember which came first: CS attorney KP or RC tattoo...because I think the tattoo was about the time that the focus was no longer on Haleigh being missing and it all went down hill from there.

Just Wondering.


JMO

Looks to me like the tat was first.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=101605

[?noanswer]

I know how you feel, I posted this last night.



I've partcipated on these boards in so many cases I've lost count. Never have I seen a case quite like this one where there is such a wide chasm between posters. Usually there is an exchange of opinions, evidence discussed, and yes, sometimes clues dissected. This case, on this board, seems to have developed into two teams, neither accomplishing much of anything, except who can get the best and last snipe in. That's what's truly sad. Because it does have all the elements for some great discussion with all the child abductions and murders that seem to be so prevalant lately.

Gotta admit, usually there is no question who is supporting whom. Sometimes it gets pretty funny. There are the same buzz words used most of the time. It's LE's fault. They should tell us what is going on - not. If they did, I don't think it would make much difference to some posters. JMO

[bookie]

I know how you feel, I posted this last night.



I've partcipated on these boards in so many cases I've lost count. Never have I seen a case quite like this one where there is such a wide chasm between posters. Usually there is an exchange of opinions, evidence discussed, and yes, sometimes clues dissected. This case, on this board, seems to have developed into two teams, neither accomplishing much of anything, except who can get the best and last snipe in. That's what's truly sad. Because it does have all the elements for some great discussion with all the child abductions and murders that seem to be so prevalant lately.



The only problem I see right now is that some can't accept the fact that not everyone thinks it's ok to marry or be sexually involved with a stepsibling.

No one is being rude about it, just stating the fact that they are stepsiblings and my opinion about it. Opinions should be acceptable no matter who it's about as long as it's not other posters.

[diamond]

I wasn't talking about legally. I was talking about morally which is why I said close to incest, not incest.

It is not morally incest either since there is not a blood relation. Those that grow up together from small children may view it as you do because they learn to care about each other as siblings and become emotionally involved with each other. But it is neither legally nor morally wrong should step-siblings fall in love and marry.
From what I have seen of step-families the children rarely even like each other.

[dustyk]

Sadly Jacki, I think the players who INTERJECTED THEMSELVES INTO THIS CASE will be dipping in and out as they leave lives shattered in their wake IMO.

These people think they can turn a tragedy into a money making business now and it doesn't work like that from my POV. From the moment Kim Picazio came on the scene, we have witnessed the slow erosion of attention for HALEIGH IMO. :sad:

She had to go public with unfounded allegations instead of silently turning in her alleged evidence of abuse, and as a result she found herself going toe to toe with one of the most prominent VICTIM's ADVOCATES herself who COULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT HELP IMO. :cursing:

I feel very strongly about the damage that was done given that we now know LE was aware of these people. The public exploitation of these low level players by Kim, Cobra and Art has been detrimental IMO and we are seeing the sad outcome now. Nothing is moving in the search to find HALEIGH CUMMINGS!:wub:

But we have a few side shows hanging around waiting to see if there are any hand outs left and that's the impression I am getting from Cobra and TJ via their video.

I'm anxious to see what the findings amount to unless that has already been handed over to Kim, hence Crystal's absence.

JMO.
Or Ronald's absence. IMO

[diamond]

Why would TERESA worry about RON telling the Griffis family secret of Crystal and Chad being step-siblings? :confused:

:confused:JMO

Teresa is gritting her teeth as Ron is speaking. Looks like fear.

[?noanswer]

Another site with a little info on the body found. Still no gender, age range, etc. Said ME might be able to give more info. JMO

[dustyk]

He is her stepbrother since their parents are married.

Really...says who....My mother remarried after my dad died and Her new husband's children are nothing to me. Hav never met them. IMO

[bookie]

Really...says who....My mother remarried after my dad died and Her new husband's children are nothing to me. Hav never met them. IMO



That's your opinion. The fact that their parents married when they were teens makes them stepsiblings.

[diamond]

It may not be morally wrong to you but it is to me.

Not all stepsiblings dislike each other. I know many, including my own, that got along well and loved each other.

It's okay for it to be morally wrong for you. I am happy for you that you love your step-siblings. The bigger the family the better.

[diamond]

Ron reminds me of Joran van der Sloot. Same arrogant attitude.

[Mimi428]

The only problem I see right now is that some can't accept the fact that not everyone thinks it's ok to marry or be sexually involved with a stepsibling.

No one is being rude about it, just stating the fact that they are stepsiblings and my opinion about it. Opinions should be acceptable no matter who it's about as long as it's not other posters.

When no effort is made to differentiate between a sibling & a step-sibling, I think that qualifies as rude. But that's JMO. YMMV

I can certainly accept that someone else has an opinion that it is not OK to marry or be involved with a step-sibling, that is their right. But when it is indicated that it is the equivalent of consanguination, that's a different story altogether.

IIRC, Chad was involved in his own marriage up until a couple of years ago. And Crystal was involved with Ron. When someone can cough up the evidence that they were raised together as siblings from a very young age, I might think a bit differently about how much of an 'ick' factor is attached to their relationship. For some reason I thought Chad was a couple of years older than Crystal in the first place, so if she was 16 when her mom married his dad, I doubt they were raised to think of one another as siblings.


JMNVHO

[bookie]

When no effort is made to differentiate between a sibling & a step-sibling, I think that qualifies as rude. But that's JMO. YMMV

I can certainly accept that someone else has an opinion that it is not OK to marry or be involved with a step-sibling, that is their right. But when it is indicated that it is the equivalent of consanguination, that's a different story altogether.

IIRC, Chad was involved in his own marriage up until a couple of years ago. And Crystal was involved with Ron. When someone can cough up the evidence that they were raised together as siblings from a very young age, I might think a bit differently about how much of an 'ick' factor is attached to their relationship. For some reason I thought Chad was a couple of years older than Crystal in the first place, so if she was 16 when her mom married his dad, I doubt they were raised to think of one another as siblings.


JMNVHO



I differentiated in my first post on the subject. In fact I very clearly said Chad Reynolds was a registered sex offender and Chad Griffis was her stepbrother.

I only heard his age once and for some reason I want to say they are about the same age. I've seen nothing showing neither of them were living at home when their parents married. And I even asked...did the parents live together with both chldren before marrying which would also make a difference.

But the fact is that I don't think anyone who can be called a stepsibling should be in any type of sexual relationship. It's an opinion I have held for decades. To me it's no different than first cousins marrying....something that is legal in some states.

[dustyk]

I differentiated in my first post on the subject. In fact I very clearly said Chad Reynolds was a registered sex offender and Chad Griffis was her stepbrother.

I only heard his age once and for some reason I want to say they are about the same age. I've seen nothing showing neither of them were living at home when their parents married. And I even asked...did the parents live together with both chldren before marrying which would also make a difference.

But the fact is that I don't think anyone who can be called a stepsibling should be in any type of sexual relationship. It's an opinion I have held for decades. To me it's no different than first cousins marrying....something that is legal in some states.
As they say "everyone has their own opinion" but I wonder how you got that opinion because it doesn't make sense to me. IMO

[dustyk]

[COLOR="SeaGreen"]Don't know much about the court system where custody issues are concerned for sure.

I wonder if the fact Crystal still has no means of support will play into the judge's decision about Jr.

I'm aware Chad is supporting the whole kit and caboodle right now, but what if he walks away?
Would a judge take that into consideration?

As it stands they're not married... so Chad G. has no legal obligation in this mess except to Chloe.

IIRC though KP and Crystal were NOT seeking custody.
Right? Only an emergency removal....?

I'm sure someone will correct me if I remember wrong. lol
[COLOR]
Not any worse than he will look at Ronald and MIsty, neither of them are working.IMO

[diamond]

Don't know much about the court system where custody issues are concerned for sure.

I wonder if the fact Crystal still has no means of support will play into the judge's decision about Jr.

I'm aware Chad is supporting the whole kit and caboodle right now, but what if he walks away?
Would a judge take that into consideration?

As it stands they're not married... so Chad G. has no legal obligation in this mess except to Chloe.

IIRC though KP and Crystal were NOT seeking custody.
Right? Only an emergency removal....?

I'm sure someone will correct me if I remember wrong. lol

As compared to Ron and Misty who are living off Granny Sykes?

[Texas48]

He is her stepbrother since their parents are married.Not directed at you bookie my friend...but can all please drop this as we all know where its going and then the board will be shut down...there is no blood between Crystal and Chad G..just so newbies dont get the wrong idea.. lets talk about what happened to Haleigh..please

[diamond]

and Ron's not responsible for child support now is he? Crystal is.

He is responsible for full support of JR. How does he manage that without a job? And taking care of the teen bride.

[dustyk]

and Ron's not responsible for child support now is he? Crystal is.
Do we forget about little Jordan...IMO
And I am new here....but why all the animosity towards Crystal...has she done something to any of the posters here because this does sound personal. JMO

[?noanswer]

Don't know much about the court system where custody issues are concerned for sure.

I wonder if the fact Crystal still has no means of support will play into the judge's decision about Jr.

I'm aware Chad is supporting the whole kit and caboodle right now, but what if he walks away?
Would a judge take that into consideration?

As it stands they're not married... so Chad G. has no legal obligation in this mess except to Chloe.

IIRC though KP and Crystal were NOT seeking custody.
Right? Only an emergency removal....?

I'm sure someone will correct me if I remember wrong. lol


There has been so much discussion on this, but IIRC, KP said if the investigation warranted it, she would then file for custody. JMO

[diamond]

Do we forget about little Jordan...IMO
And I am new here....but why all the animosity towards Crystal...has she done something to any of the posters here because this does sound personal. JMO

I'm sorry, I failed to mention Jordan. His daddy is also responsible for the care of his youngest child.

[diamond]

I wasn't making comparisons, but since you bring it up...Granny is family and helping out as most of us would.

Chad is a live in with no connection should he walk away.


Granny could kick them out at any time since she has no legal obligation to support them.
Granny could get sick and not be able to take care of them.
Able bodied men should take care of themselves and their family and not put it off on Granny.

[diamond]

I am aware that you did differentiate. The post I orginally quoted was not from you & that one did nothing to differentiate - it referred to Chad as her "brother/boyfriend".

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion that step-siblings should not be involved. Personally, I don't have a problem with unrelated people who were not raised together from a young age (before puberty) being romantically involved. It just doesn't register very high for me on the lack of morality gauge.

One thing that has always hit the top of the lack of morality gauge, though is adult men becoming sexually involved with teenagers (below the age of 18, that is). A 24 year old man have sex with a 16 year old is pretty lowdown in my book. And unlike the step-sibling romances, the law also views some things like that to be illegal.

JMO

I completely agree. Many grown men are in prison for statutory rape of underage girls and have to register as a sex offender. Eight years is a huge age difference and the comparison of maturity and life experience of a young girl that should have been excited about attending junior senior prom instead of playing house with a man with three children.

[Texas48]

Thanks for posting this video. Look at Theresa when Ron is talking. She looks scared to death that he is going to say something that will give away the family secret.
Ron's voice and Misty's are just so uncaring and monotone.
With respect diamond..maybe just maybe that is how they speak..How can anyone say their voices are uncaring? How does ANY of us know that? I am in disbelief of what I am reading.

[diamond]

With respect diamond..maybe just maybe that is how they speak..How can anyone say their voices are uncaring? How does ANY of us know that? I am in disbelief of what I am reading.

Just an observation.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm sorry, I failed to mention Jordan. His daddy is also responsible for the care of his youngest child.

Hopefully some day we will actually know who the father of Jordan is by way of a DNA test and then there will be a man assuming his role as the father IMO.

Maybe his mother is unable to confirm such and that's why the GRANDMOTHER IS ALLEGEDLY RECEIVING a SSI CHECK FOR HIM. The benefits must outweigh anything they could get through COURT ORDERED SUPPORT from his BIOLOGICAL FATHER and the establishing of PATERNITY IMO, or that's what would be going on with him. ALL JMO based on the allegations brought forth by Art Harris IIRC. :unsure:

[diamond]

Hopefully some day we will actually know who the father of Jordan is by way of a DNA test and then there will be a man assuming his role as the father IMO.

Maybe his mother is unable to confirm such and that's why the GRANDMOTHER IS ALLEGEDLY RECEIVING a SSI CHECK FOR HIM. The benefits must outweigh anything they could get through COURT ORDERED SUPPORT from his BIOLOGICAL FATHER and the establishing of PATERNITY IMO, or that's what would be going on with him. ALL JMO based on the allegations brought forth by Art Harris IIRC. :unsure:

A disabled child is eligible to receive SSI regardless of who his father is.

[playnice]

Saying a prayer that the body that was found is not Haleigh and she is alive out there somewhere.

[?noanswer]

Hopefully some day we will actually know who the father of Jordan is by way of a DNA test and then there will be a man assuming his role as the father IMO.

Maybe his mother is unable to confirm such and that's why the GRANDMOTHER IS ALLEGEDLY RECEIVING a SSI CHECK FOR HIM. The benefits must outweigh anything they could get through COURT ORDERED SUPPORT from his BIOLOGICAL FATHER and the establishing of PATERNITY IMO, or that's what would be going on with him. ALL JMO based on the allegations brought forth by Art Harris IIRC. :unsure:

If a child is elegible for SSI benefits, I'm sure the parent/guadian would take that any day over trying to collect CS from the mother/father of the child. An SSI check is there every month - no hassle involved. JMO

[Texas48]

Do we forget about little Jordan...IMO
And I am new here....but why all the animosity towards Crystal...has she done something to any of the posters here because this does sound personal. JMO
One can come right back and say *why all the animosity* towards Ron..Has he done anything to any of the posters here.....and please..why does a baby that has absolutely nothing to do with this case have to be constantly brought onto a message board? If at all possible can you say *Ambers baby* instead of using his name..

[titanfan217]

Hopefully some day we will actually know who the father of Jordan is by way of a DNA test and then there will be a man assuming his role as the father IMO.

Maybe his mother is unable to confirm such and that's why the GRANDMOTHER IS ALLEGEDLY RECEIVING a SSI CHECK FOR HIM. The benefits must outweigh anything they could get through COURT ORDERED SUPPORT from his BIOLOGICAL FATHER and the establishing of PATERNITY IMO, or that's what would be going on with him. ALL JMO based on the allegations brought forth by Art Harris IIRC. :unsure:

One is not connected to the other. A mother/guardian can receive both. The SSI check is supposedly for extra expenses due to a disability or in some cases, free money.

[CANDYKISSES]

I completely agree. Many grown men are in prison for statutory rape of underage girls and have to register as a sex offender. Eight years is a huge age difference and the comparison of maturity and life experience of a young girl that should have been excited about attending junior senior prom instead of playing house with a man with three children.


OF course that is a major difference, but you fail to see the big picture. Misty is/was a minor and JUST LIKE JUNIOR, you have to start with DCF IMO.

IOW, the cops don't just go in and leave Misty in the home with two young children whilst they drag Ronald out. Someone should have reported an inappropriate living situation and DCF would have gone to Mr. and Mrs. Hank Croslin beginning their investigation.

The parents would have been found negligent in providing for their child, and Ron could have been pursued by LE at that time IMO. Having seen a few of these situations evolve, parents would rather let their children go as in the case of Misty as opposed to getting involved with the law themselves. SAD is what I call it. It's nothing Hank Croslin didn't ALLEGEDLY DO if he was getting RX drugs from Ron Cummings, and it's nothing that Johnny Sheffield didn't do IF HE WAS DOING RECREATIONAL DRUGS with Ronald Cummings as Crystal and/or the children were allegedly being abused.

IT's a vicious cycle and all the adults become players at some point. Once drugs and alcohol are involved, the children don't stand a chance at being the PRIORITY IMOO. :crying:

Haleigh Cummings being abducted is only the tip of the iceberg with this group and they were all very lucky up until February 9, 2009 when something blew somewhere IMO.

[grammie/va]

ok guys I realize that I am just one insignificant poster in the great cog of posters on this board, but I have to say something, you can read it or scroll past.

I can't do this today. I cannot stand for one more minute the baiting, the bickering, the backbiting, the unfounded accusations that are posted on this board by the same people, day after day after day after day. I found this board when I googled Haleigh's name the day after she went missing and thought wow, I found a place where people are going to discuss what happened, what might have happened, what could have happened. Boy, am I totally disappointed for the most part. Those of us that DO want to discuss interesting, new aspects of the case are continually shoved to the side, and totally ignored.

Do some of you ever stop to think about how you make other people feel about their opinions and theories?

I am just tired of the baiting and the bashing......gotta take a break today. Maybe tomorrow will be different. I sure hope so.

I look at posting with you guys on this board this way, I try to treat each and every one of you as I would someone I was having a conversation with in my home. And I am not comfortable here, not at all.

Yall have a good one, I have better things to do today.

This has been my feelings since the first week of post about the families on this board. I feel it is not about Haleigh at all, and although I read the links daily and scroll through daily because of all the bashing and certain posters always wanting thier opinion to be right ALL of them have lost sight of WHO is importrant. Forum probally should be shut down until something happens concerning Haleigh, leave the Links open and stop the rumor, bashing discussions. My opinion only

[diamond]

What was Ron talking about when he said he had been slandered into a sorry father?

[playnice]

This has been my feelings since the first week of post about the families on this board. I feel it is not about Haleigh at all, and although I read the links daily and scroll through daily because of all the bashing and certain posters always wanting thier opinion to be right ALL of them have lost sight of WHO is importrant. Forum probally should be shut down until something happens concerning Haleigh, leave the Links open and stop the rumor, bashing discussions. My opinion only

I wish there was a Haleigh board.:sad: Im worried about that body being found until we hear if its haleigh or not..

[?noanswer]

What was Ron talking about when he said he had been slandered into a sorry father?


All the things that people were saying about him, but he most likely meant KP, CS, & her mother, etc. A lot of things posted on these boards about him might be considered slander. JMO

[Mimi428]

Did you know in FL its ok for a 24 year old to have sex with a 16 yr old?

If the 16 (or 17) year old is an emancipated minor. Not otherwise.

http://moraloutrage.net/staticpages/index.php?page=Florida

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.--

(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

Did Misty have the disabilities of nonage removed before she moved in with (or had sex with) Ron? I doubt it, but you are welcome to your own opinion about it.

[diamond]

All the things that people were saying about him, but he most likely meant KP, CS, & her mother, etc. A lot of things posted on these boards about him might be considered slander. JMO

Didn't he say that before KP went live coverage with the abuse factor?

[CANDYKISSES]

A disabled child is eligible to receive SSI regardless of who his father is.

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-eligibility-ussi.htm

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-income-ussi.htm

http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-living-ussi.htm

There are many stipulations and there are income considerations as well as living arrangements which in turn may affect the amount of money anyone will get under SSI IMOO.

[?noanswer]

I wish there was a Haleigh board.:sad: Im worried about that body being found until we hear if its haleigh or not..

I don't understand what you mean about a Haleigh board. If there was something more than this forum, I don't think there has been enough information to reveal who it could be. Until LE releases more details, we won't know anything. JMO

[diamond]

If the 16 (or 17) year old is an emancipated minor. Not otherwise.

http://moraloutrage.net/staticpages/index.php?page=Florida

794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.--

(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

Did Misty have the disabilities of nonage removed before she moved in with (or had sex with) Ron? I doubt it, but you are welcome to your own opinion about it.

I doubt it, too. IIRC, her mom kicked her out of the house. Doubtful, if they even knew to emancipate her for it to be legal.

[?noanswer]

Didn't he say that before KP went live coverage with the abuse factor?


I don't know when he said it, but IIRC CS's mother started her bashing of him immediately, then took about a 2 day moratorium, then started again. JMO

[?noanswer]

Still no update.






http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-050609,0,4661295.story

Fom the above link

"Lake County detectives suspect the body may have been at the location, about 200 feet off County Road 48, for a few days due to signs of decomposition, according to Sgt. John Herrell.

Detectives say the body is not that of a toddler, according to a brief statement Herrell put out. The age and gender have not been determined yet, but the Medical Examiner's office arrived at the scene."

[5boxersmom]

Still no update.






http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-050609,0,4661295.story

Checking in on little Haleigh.

From your link.

Detectives say the body is not that of a toddler,

Would that include Haleigh? She is not a toddler right? Is a toddler missing in the area and they are saying it is not that one?

imo

[diamond]

I don't know when he said it, but IIRC CS's mother started her bashing of him immediately, then took about a 2 day moratorium, then started again. JMO

She just couldn't contain herself, could she? She never put on false airs of harmony in the relationship and her true feelings about Ron were as clear as a window. I remember on video in which Marie said, " somebody that lives in that house knows what happen to Haleigh".

In regard to this case, there are no truer words spoken.

[CANDYKISSES]

well everyone thought he was a good daddy until KP came on the scene and she had Crystal say Ronald abused her and the children. I think that will come back and bite both of them on the rump.
MOO

FA, unfortunately I think KP was the beginning of the end in coverage for a missing child named HALEIGH CUMMINGS IMO.

The ugliness that reared its head with her at the helm was beyond anything I've ever seen in a missing persons case and I think that's by and large why so many SIMPLY QUIT COVERING THE CASE....:crying:

The concern of SLANDER as we are seeing Art Harris in the middle of another case like that going to court soon is fear enough for some IMO. Many businesses use a tool called RISK MANAGEMENT to determine how far they will go and it wouldn't surprise me if it was used in determining the coverage of this case. Just think what could happen with a savvy attorney like Lin Wood if this turns into a SO abduction.....so many people could be sitting in the hot seat for SLANDER AT A MINIMUM IMO.

You notice JVM isn't even letting Art Harris get away with naming Ron Cummings as a father for another child without prefacing it with allegedly and not confirmed.....she's not going under the bus if this blows up.

ALL JMO :sad:

SOMEONE WITH INFO: PLEASE CALL OR BRING HALEIGH HOME SAFE! :wub:

[Riverwalk!]

Checking in on little Haleigh.

From your link.

Detectives say the body is not that of a toddler,

Would that include Haleigh? She is not a toddler right? Is a toddler missing in the area and they are saying it is not that one?

imo

IDK, but the area where the body was found was very close to Leesburg and Trenton Duckett's disappearance. IMO.

[?noanswer]

IDK, but the area where the body was found was very close to Leesburg and Trenton Duckett's disappearance. IMO.


It sounds like the body has not been deceased very long. It also said they were checking with other agencies to see if there were any missing people. I think the body looks more like an adult than a child. I wonder if they said it was not a toddler just to put minds at ease as to whether it was Haleigh. JMO

[grammie/va]

I wish there was a Haleigh board.:sad: Im worried about that body being found until we hear if its haleigh or not..

Even with that lil bit of news of a body being found, hasn't stopped the taking sides and bickering.

I hope it is not Haleigh, but I want closure also. Maybe we willl get a news update one way or the other.

[Riverwalk!]

It sounds like the body has not been deceased very long. It also said they were checking with other agencies to see if there were any missing people. I think the body looks more like an adult than a child. I wonder if they said it was not a toddler just to put minds at ease as to whether it was Haleigh. JMO

IDK. The area is about 30 miles from where RSO C. Reynolds was last seen in Summerfield.

I wouldn't call Haleigh a toddler, but a male LEO might. :shrug:

[5boxersmom]

IDK, but the area where the body was found was very close to Leesburg and Trenton Duckett's disappearance. IMO.

I was just looking at the map and noticed that. I would say Trenton is a toddler, but I don't think they would classify Haleigh as one. She was little though. I hope Haleigh is safe somewhere. And Trenton too. :sad:

imo

[diamond]

Does anyone remember how long Trenton has been missing? I did not follow his case.

[Riverwalk!]

I was just looking at the map and noticed that. I would say Trenton is a toddler, but I don't think they would classify Haleigh as one. She was little though. I hope Haleigh is safe somewhere. And Trenton too. :sad:

imo

There is also a 14 year old girl missing in the Orlando Area I think.

A body found was ID'd of a 17 year old girl :sad:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519124,00.html

and the Krystal Borrego (Homestead, Fl) case was "resolved."

[CANDYKISSES]

yesssssssss she did and then she issued an apology saying she never meant to hurt Ron and Misty. I posted that link yesterday also :)

I spent most of yesterday reading old links. because someone said the LE had verified where Crystal was that night. Guess what?

Here ya go FA! :smile: Thanks to all for staying on top of today's discovery.

Sadly someone is going to be very disappointed by the loss of a loved one.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8XFedMSRNn8J:www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html+Marie+Griffis+apologized+to+Misty+ Croslin+and+Ronald+Cummings&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Grandmother Marie Griffis apologized Saturday as both sides came together to celebrate Haleigh's brother's birthday, and to search for the missing 5-year-old.

"We're going to unite for Haleigh, and tomorrow is Junior's birthday," Griffis said. "He'll be 4 years old."

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

Does anyone remember how long Trenton has been missing? I did not follow his case.

Missing since August 27, 2006

[diamond]

Here ya go FA! :smile: Thanks to all for staying on top of today's discovery.

Sadly someone is going to be very disappointed by the loss of a loved one.

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8XFedMSRNn8J:www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/15/amber_alert__haleigh_search_continues_family_puts_ aside_feud.html+Marie+Griffis+apologized+to+Misty+ Croslin+and+Ronald+Cummings&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Grandmother Marie Griffis apologized Saturday as both sides came together to celebrate Haleigh's brother's birthday, and to search for the missing 5-year-old.

"We're going to unite for Haleigh, and tomorrow is Junior's birthday," Griffis said. "He'll be 4 years old."

JMO


"The family feud could be seen from the first day Haleigh disappeared, when her grandparents on her mother's side questioned stories Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, first gave to detectives when the girl vanished from her Putnam County home."

Questions that are still unanswered.

[CANDYKISSES]

A body found was ID'd of a 17 year old girl :sad:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519124,00.html

and the Krystal Borrego (Homestead, Fl) case was "resolved."


:confused: Is Bria Metz (the pregnant missing female referenced in your article) the ID for the remains found today?

I'm speechless. :crying:

[diamond]

I noticed JVM started prefacing ANY talk about Ron with "alleged" "speculation" and/or "not confirmed" etc right after the fiasco of Goofraldo accusing Ron of being a RAT.

Wonder what happened to change her little lead-in and how many will be sued when all of this is over?

I hope it is a lot of people! There are laws governing slander and I pray Ron, with the assistance of his attorneys, avails himself to them.

Prayers for Haleigh




OT: Got to go. lots to do today. Later!

Oh please. Internet bloggers and posters said the same thing when JVDS was in the spotlight and you see a lawsuit for slander or libel never materialized.

[seeker]

I know how you feel, I posted this last night.

I've partcipated on these boards in so many cases I've lost count. Never have I seen a case quite like this one where there is such a wide chasm between posters. Usually there is an exchange of opinions, evidence discussed, and yes, sometimes clues dissected. This case, on this board, seems to have developed into two teams, neither accomplishing much of anything, except who can get the best and last snipe in. That's what's truly sad. Because it does have all the elements for some great discussion with all the child abductions and murders that seem to be so prevalant lately.

Being new to this experience of a message board, a child gone missing, and communicating with people online that I don't know, I'd like to share my concerns and hopes.

Foremost, hope for Haleigh Cummings to be found. Alive and well would be the most wonderful outcome. But found, nevertheless.

I am adding my little bit to Madame and Panache's posts this morning. This story about a little girl vanished has caused deep emotional responses from people all over. For those of us who come here,and everyone who knows about Haleigh, I would believe that it is sometimes more than we can comprehend. The anguish felt by her family must be unimaginable and constant.

We all come to this from different beliefs and different life experiences. Here we have the opportunity to learn from one another. But, as most know, to be receptive to other people's stories, opinions, even their very personalities, RESPECT must be shown. Who doesn't shut out the person who treats us disrespectfully, especially an anonymous person on a message board? Who doesn't decide to disengage when a group mentality sets in that is not conducive to open and free thought?

Aren't we all here because we heard about a little girl who vanished from her home? Can't we start from the premise of mutual concern and the desire to know the truth? We should all feel free to "talk," to share, to speculate without fear of being treated with disrespect and cruelty. Or worry that we will be dismissed. Each and every one of us, no matter what we may think has occurred, no matter how much we disagree with what someone says, all of us here, I think, want to discuss and interact with other people sharing our concerns and anxieties about this case.

These are my thoughts about this, and I am adding my wish to Madame and Panache's, and everyone else that feels this way:

The wish and the desire to make this be a place of peace, not discord. A place of lively, yet respectful interaction. With determination and compassion, we can make this can be that place.

For Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings, and for all of us who care about a little girl we do not know, but who has found a place in our hearts, nonetheless.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. These are my thoughts and hopes and opinions and wishes.

Sincerely,
seeker

[Riverwalk!]

:confused: Is Bria Metz (the pregnant missing female referenced in your article) the ID for the remains found today?

I'm speechless. :crying:

Yes it was her body was ID'd today, but discovered Monday (I think). :sad:

Another body has been found (not a toddler) in LAKE COUNTY, Florida and we wait to see who is ID'd.

[diamond]

August of 2006

Oh my, such a long time. Is his mother the woman that committed suicide after talking to NG? Or was that someone else?

[CANDYKISSES]

I noticed JVM started prefacing ANY talk about Ron with "alleged" "speculation" and/or "not confirmed" etc right after the fiasco of Goofraldo accusing Ron of being a RAT.

Wonder what happened to change her little lead-in and how many will be sued when all of this is over?

I hope it is a lot of people! There are laws governing slander and I pray Ron, with the assistance of his attorneys, avails himself to them.

Prayers for Haleigh


OT: Got to go. lots to do today. Later!

IF IN FACT we find out Haleigh was abducted by a stranger I would not blame anyone for choosing litigation after some of the things I've seen in print and heard by way of spoken word.

JMO, but I am sick of these clowns coming to town for a missing child and acting like they are performing for a circus as they engage in try-outs for the media. Who knows how much sooner truth might come to light if someone didn't get any of the involved players out of jail? :angry:

JMO

[Motomom]

Still no update.






http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-050609,0,4661295.story

How can they not tell if it is a child or not?

I hope we hear something soon.. thinking of Haleigh today. Lake county, how far is that from putnum? Anyone close to the family from the area?

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes it was her body was ID'd today, but discovered Monday (I think). :sad:

Another body has been found (not a toddler) in LAKE COUNTY, Florida and we wait to see who is ID'd.

Thanks for straightening me out there RW. It's so hard to believe we are seeing this kind of HORROR committed against pregnant women today. :crying: I hope they are able to determine what happened to her and her unborn child as well as who is responsible.

[?noanswer]

A body found was ID'd of a 17 year old girl :sad:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519124,00.html

and the Krystal Borrego (Homestead, Fl) case was "resolved."

I don't think this is the same discovery that we have been discussing this AM. JMO

[5boxersmom]

A body found was ID'd of a 17 year old girl :sad:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519124,00.html

and the Krystal Borrego (Homestead, Fl) case was "resolved."

TY. The girl I was thinking of is missing from Ft. Lauderdale. I thought is was Orlando. :confused: Brittany Miller.

imo

[?noanswer]

:confused: Is Bria Metz (the pregnant missing female referenced in your article) the ID for the remains found today?

I'm speechless. :crying:

I don't think so. Sounds like this body was found earlier than today. JMO

[tammym]

o/t Just checked the putnam co. site. Looks like they got a big fish last night. He is not a local, but looks like from doing a further search he was picked up for distributing oxycontin. Bail 250,000.

Hoping Haleigh is found. JMO
Update...can you believe he made bail?
Good grief, that is what $25,000 to get out...geez

sorry o/t

[Riverwalk!]

I don't think this is the same discovery that we have been discussing this AM. JMO

Correct. Sorry that I confused people. I was just trying to clear some cases ongoing in Florida while posting to 5Boxers. Sorry.

The body found this morning has yet to be ID'd.

[CANDYKISSES]

How can they not tell if it is a child or not?

I hope we hear something soon.. thinking of Haleigh today. Lake county, how far is that from putnum? Anyone close to the family from the area?

Motomom, just addressing how they make preliminary calls on adult vs child and I believe it to be by measurement of certain body parts. JMO. :sad:

[Riverwalk!]

Update on body found this morning

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-050609,0,4661295.story

Herrell said they "are hopeful that the autopsy, scheduled for tomorrow, will produce more information that will aid in identifying the individual and possibly reveal a cause of death. "

Lake County detectives suspect the body may have been at the location, about 200 feet off County Road 48, for a few days due to signs of decomposition, Herrell said earlier today.

[?noanswer]

o/t Fox saying authorities say the little boy in CA may have been kidnapped by a Mexican drug cartel. Wonder what NG will say. She really put down her guests that suggested it might be drug related.

Guess it could be possible that Haleigh was taken because of drugs. JMO

[?noanswer]

Seriously JMO but big time drug dealers like this guy should not have had the opportunity to post bail.
Again,
JMO

I agree. Guess to the big boys $25,000 is chump change. JMO

[tammym]

Seriously JMO but big time drug dealers like this guy should not have had the opportunity to post bail.
Again,
JMO
ITA..what a shame he is on the loose again.

[tammym]

o/t Fox saying authorities say the little boy in CA may have been kidnapped by a Mexican drug cartel. Wonder what NG will say. She really put down her guests that suggested it might be drug related.

Guess it could be possible that Haleigh was taken because of drugs. JMO
Oh no, I hope they find that little boy safe. :sad:

With Haleigh, imo yes very possible.

[panache]

Does anyone remember how long Trenton has been missing? I did not follow his case.

Just got back on. Don't know if anyone answered you yet. I lived and breathed Trenton's case.

http://helpfindtrenton.com/

[panache]

Sometimes I just scroll right passed your posts especially the ones with the puking smiley.
Sometimes I read what you are saying and completely agree.

This time I am back and forth. An underlying message that you are giving here is in regards to exploitation of an already terrible situation and I wholeheartedly agree at the same time people like TJ Hart, Cobra dn Art Harris have brought to light some very critical issues that may have otherwise continued to fly under the radar or simply be ignored as usual.
I am talking about things such as the drug use/abuse, drug trafficking, teen prostitution, etc... not to forget also that these people are in fact keeping this investigation alive and out there for people and are reminding folks that this little girl is still missing.

Of course the drug use/abuse, drug trafficking ect... happen in many different areas and many different states but let this be an eye opener as to how dysfunction things really are and I say shine that light baby!
Maybe just maybe the powers that be will see how serious these issues really truly are and will help the voting public understand how these issues contributed to the disappearance of this innocent baby girl.

Stunning Post and too good to snip!! Yes, exposing all that is going around that county, while it seems heads turn the other way, just might help stop the dysfunction into the next generation of Juniors.

moo

[sickntired]

IMO anythings possible with Haleigh :(

I also think Misty knows a heck of a lot more then she's saying. I think she has secrets she's not even telling Ron. and i would love to know why Amber looked arrogant in her latest mugshot.

Do you have a link to that mugshot? I seriously would like to see it and would appreciate direction to a link. TIA!

[panache]

Didn't he say that before KP went live coverage with the abuse factor?

Yes, according to the video I linked, Ron said that Feb. 11th. KimP. was not on the case yet!! Good catch!

moo

[panache]

I borrowed these photos from HFTM...credit to Faith.

These photos are bittersweet.

I wanted to share them with all of you.


http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10847&page=11

[Mimi428]

Sometimes I just scroll right passed your posts especially the ones with the puking smiley.
Sometimes I read what you are saying and completely agree.

This time I am back and forth. An underlying message that you are giving here is in regards to exploitation of an already terrible situation and I wholeheartedly agree at the same time people like TJ Hart, Cobra dn Art Harris have brought to light some very critical issues that may have otherwise continued to fly under the radar or simply be ignored as usual.
I am talking about things such as the drug use/abuse, drug trafficking, teen prostitution, etc... not to forget also that these people are in fact keeping this investigation alive and out there for people and are reminding folks that this little girl is still missing.

Of course the drug use/abuse, drug trafficking ect... happen in many different areas and many different states but let this be an eye opener as to how dysfunction things really are and I say shine that light baby!
Maybe just maybe the powers that be will see how serious these issues really truly are and will help the voting public understand how these issues contributed to the disappearance of this innocent baby girl.

Thanks for posting those thoughts, ITA.

It is so hard for any family to keep the media interested in covering a missing child case. I think if asked, most of those who have children still missing would be more than willing to accept the help of people like TJ Hart, Art Harris, Cobra the PI. If it was my child missing, I doubt I would care whether they went on to other things, got fame & fortune, got a TV show - whatever - as long as they kept the search for my child going & provided something for the media to cover.

As for the lifestyle of people like Amber, Nay Nay, WBG, Misty & the lot of them - all I can say is wake up & smell the coffee. The crap we see a little of in this case is not unusual, it is not uncommon. It is not only happening in Florida, it is an epidemic in this country, IMO.

Historically speaking, people have taken drugs, prostituted themselves, neglected &/or abused their children, committed every manner of bad deeds - there is nothing new about it. But from the time crack cocaine came onto the scene, & with the more recent skyrocketing meth lab existence & use, PLUS the big increase in the availability to get prescription drugs & ways to abuse time-released capsules - the resulting wreckage & ruin has become staggering. And while families & communities big & small struggle to find ways to address the consequences, big guys with lots of bucks take less than 24 hours to put up a $250 THOUSAND dollar bail. I don't even want to imagine how much oxycodone that guy is accused of trafficking, but I doubt it is a puny amount.

JMO

[diamond]

Great post last night , bugout. I read it this morning. Excellent summation.

I think you are right about Ron.

[VC2]

Hopefully some day we will actually know who the father of Jordan is by way of a DNA test and then there will be a man assuming his role as the father IMO.

Maybe his mother is unable to confirm such and that's why the GRANDMOTHER IS ALLEGEDLY RECEIVING a SSI CHECK FOR HIM. The benefits must outweigh anything they could get through COURT ORDERED SUPPORT from his BIOLOGICAL FATHER and the establishing of PATERNITY IMO, or that's what would be going on with him. ALL JMO based on the allegations brought forth by Art Harris IIRC. :unsure:

i think out of all of them amber has the biggest motive. Anger and revenge against Ron for going with Misty over her. Also knowing its likely misty would be blamed if he was at work.

Otherwise i still go with SO

[diamond]

All those pictures of Crystal and Ronald and not in a one of them does she look like an abused woman IMO

Looks can be deceiving.

[diamond]

IMO if Ron abused those children DCF would have removed Jr by now. the 60 days are up and Kim has basically vanished. What does that tell you?

It doesn't tell me anything. I have not heard what the investigation revealed.

[Mimi428]

All those pictures of Crystal and Ronald and not in a one of them does she look like an abused woman IMO

How many pictures have we seen recently of Caylee with her smiling mother? How many pix did we see of a smiling Laci with a smiling Scott? How many cases & how many pix do we have to see before the reality hits that looks can be deceiving? I think Ted Bundy taught us that over 30 years ago.

JMO

[diamond]

You probably won't . but if they thought he was abusing his children wouldn't they remove Jr from the home and wouldn't Kim be on tv telling the world she was right and wouldn't crystal do what a good mother should do and file for custody of her son?


MOO

We don't know what they will do, yet. All that remains to be seen.

[panache]

All those pictures of Crystal and Ronald and not in a one of them does she look like an abused woman IMO

Is that all you can about such sweet photos? If Haleigh is alive some day she will treasure those pics.

What I see in the first blush of Haleigh's birth is two people that fell in love with that infant, and yes, at that moment in time, loved each other. Irregardless of what had transpired earlier in Crystal's pregnancy, the joy of birth brought them both on the same page. After all they are human.

I sure don't know what an *abused woman* is supposed to look like to you, but in my world, I can't tell the difference. I might add that I volunteer at a women's shelter, and they sure on the surface put on a good face.

moo

[titanfan217]

Just got back on. Don't know if anyone answered you yet. I lived and breathed Trenton's case.

http://helpfindtrenton.com/


I'm doing the same thing today about a 3 year old "runaway" in SE Missouri. Okay, not your typical runaway, but while daddy was sleeping & mommy took a phone call Monday, he went out the back door and disappeared. They found one of his shoes about a mile from the home. It's a really wooded area.

This was covered on NG last night.

[diamond]

How many pictures have we seen recently of Caylee with her smiling mother? How many pix did we see of a smiling Laci with a smiling Scott? How many cases & how many pix do we have to see before the reality hits that looks can be deceiving? I think Ted Bundy taught us that over 30 years ago.

JMO

Also, the smiling pictures of Stacy Barker and her beautiful little girl, Emma. Stacy is a pretty girl and charged with the murder of her baby.

[panache]

How many pictures have we seen recently of Caylee with her smiling mother? How many pix did we see of a smiling Laci with a smiling Scott? How many cases & how many pix do we have to see before the reality hits that looks can be deceiving? I think Ted Bundy taught us that over 30 years ago.

JMO

Exactly, Mimi. I didn't know there was a blueprint for what an abused woman was supposed to look like.

moo

[Thurs-Child]

that's just cruel and has nothing to do with any of this, they are not blood related and you know that. This is stooping to a new level, even for you. Imo

ita/jmo....

[sickntired]

here you go

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753782&IMG=56921


did you see the first one?

Thank you for the link....and no I never saw the first one either.

What a shame...makes you think of how lucky you are not to have gone down this path in life.

[diamond]

Is that all you can about such sweet photos? If Haleigh is alive some day she will treasure those pics.

What I see in the first blush of Haleigh's birth is two people that fell in love with that infant, and yes, at that moment in time, loved each other. Irregardless of what had transpired earlier in Crystal's pregnancy, the joy of birth brought them both on the same page. After all they are human.

I sure don't know what an *abused woman* is supposed to look like to you, but in my world, I can't tell the difference. I might add that I volunteer at a women's shelter, and they sure on the surface put on a good face.

moo

Well said. They have children together and will always be bonded because of the children.
Wonder how Misty feels about that.

[Mimi428]

Exactly, Mimi. I didn't know there was a blueprint for what an abused woman was supposed to look like.

moo

I'm sure if she could that Nicole Brown Simpson would have a word to two to say about what abused women looked like. And we have seen a lot of photos of her standing right next to her murderer while the two of them are smiling.

I was thinking just the other day how well it oftentimes works out where the person who did wrong, but lies about it is rewarded, while the person who actually has the integrity to admit their sins is crucified. As long as you are sneaky & don't get caught redhanded, you can lie with impunity & who is to refute you?

Abusers can knock their partners or the kids halfway across the room, but if they aren't leaving a mark & nobody is videotaping it, they are rewarded. All it takes to be successful as an abuser is to pick for your partner someone who has flaws & who is willing to own up to their own misdeeds - & voilà! Your conniving lies work to your advantage & you are free to smack again. After all, who would take the word of that lying b#tch over YOURS? We already know she did this bad thing & that bad thing & some other bad thing - she even admitted it!

And people wonder why so few people are willing to call what they have gone through abuse...

JMO

[dustyk]

Looks can be deceiving.
also saw pictures of
scott and Lacey Peterson...they also appeared happy.IMO

[diamond]

in one picture i posted yesterday Crystal was hanging all over Ron and he had his head on her and Misty was standing on the other side of Ron and she didn't look upset.

I'm starting to think it was Crystal jealous of Misty


MOO

Thanks for the laugh!!!
Seriously, no one is jealous of Misty.

[sickntired]

I'm sure if she could that Nicole Brown Simpson would have a word to two to say about what abused women looked like. And we have seen a lot of photos of her standing right next to her murderer while the two of them are smiling.

I was thinking just the other day how well it oftentimes works out where the person who did wrong, but lies about it is rewarded, while the person who actually has the integrity to admit their sins is crucified. As long as you are sneaky & don't get caught redhanded, you can lie with impunity & who is to refute you?

Abusers can knock their partners or the kids halfway across the room, but if they aren't leaving a mark & nobody is videotaping it, they are rewarded. All it takes to be successful as an abuser is to pick for your partner someone who has flaws & who is willing to own up to their own misdeeds - & voilà! Your conniving lies work to your advantage & you are free to smack again. After all, who would take the word of that lying b#tch over YOURS? We already know she did this bad thing & that bad thing & some other bad thing - she even admitted it!

And people wonder why so few people are willing to call what they have gone through abuse...

JMO

Excellent post Mimi428. :rose:

You can tell who has been touched by abuse in their lives and who has no idea what it can do to a life. Emotional scars are hidden well. :rose:

[dustyk]

Was she abused before she was murdered?
Would she be anymore dead if she were?

[dustyk]

oh really? Amber seemed kind of upset when she found out Misty was taking her man from her.

and i honestly feel like crystal and ron would be together if their family wouldn't have butted in


MOO
you seem to know them pretty well...She seems to have done well for herself now...Chad has a job.IMO

[diamond]

oh really? Amber seemed kind of upset when she found out Misty was taking her man from her.

and i honestly feel like crystal and ron would be together if their family wouldn't have butted in


MOO

I think Ron would love to be back with Crystal. I never thought he really wanted the children. He used them to try to hold on to her.

Who said Misty took Amber's man other than Misty saying that on myspace?

Misty doesn't have anything anybody else wants.

[dustyk]

No it was just a question because i don't remember anyone ever saying she was abused before she was murdered. so is the answer yes or no? TYI
Well she's gone now so there is no way to know.IMO

[diamond]

ummmm i thought a lot of people on here were saying Ron cheated on Amber with Misty and then Misty got beat up by Ambers mom. If i'm wrong i'm truly sorry.

and no i think on myspace it was something stupid about i've already taken your man and next i'll take your baby.

and if Ron didn't ever want children why did he fight for them?


MOO

He thought if he had them Crystal would stay with him. She did go back a few times.

[diamond]

So you think when they went to court twice he was just doing it to get Crystal back? you might be right. IMO they both still have feelings for each other.

I'm still confused on how Ron could marry Misty. They don't look in love and the girl gives me the creeps.


MOO

Because they share a secret.

[Motomom]

I'm doing the same thing today about a 3 year old "runaway" in SE Missouri. Okay, not your typical runaway, but while daddy was sleeping & mommy took a phone call Monday, he went out the back door and disappeared. They found one of his shoes about a mile from the home. It's a really wooded area.

This was covered on NG last night.

Have they found him yet?? sorry for the O/T.. I wonder if someone saw him roaming and snagged him? These poor kids.. 3 months Haleighs been gone, I'm not sure I'd be able to move on if she were mine and never found. How heartbreaking for all of the parents/families and children.

[dustyk]

So you think when they went to court twice he was just doing it to get Crystal back? you might be right. IMO they both still have feelings for each other.

I'm still confused on how Ron could marry Misty. They don't look in love and the girl gives me the creeps.


MOO
Definitely think he went to court twice to get her back. Abusers want you to be just as miserable as they are. IMO

[panache]

Yesterday someone said the police have verified where Crystal was the night Haleigh went missing. Does anyone have a link? I went through every single link in the link thread and it's not there and i would love to see it. Thanks

The links posted here aren't the only links. There are links posted all over the web on different boards. What is here is just a smidgen.

moo

[panache]

I'm sure if she could that Nicole Brown Simpson would have a word to two to say about what abused women looked like. And we have seen a lot of photos of her standing right next to her murderer while the two of them are smiling.

I was thinking just the other day how well it oftentimes works out where the person who did wrong, but lies about it is rewarded, while the person who actually has the integrity to admit their sins is crucified. As long as you are sneaky & don't get caught redhanded, you can lie with impunity & who is to refute you?

Abusers can knock their partners or the kids halfway across the room, but if they aren't leaving a mark & nobody is videotaping it, they are rewarded. All it takes to be successful as an abuser is to pick for your partner someone who has flaws & who is willing to own up to their own misdeeds - & voilà! Your conniving lies work to your advantage & you are free to smack again. After all, who would take the word of that lying b#tch over YOURS? We already know she did this bad thing & that bad thing & some other bad thing - she even admitted it!

And people wonder why so few people are willing to call what they have gone through abuse...

JMO

In my volunteer work with the women's shelter I'm always searching the web for new information. I was quite taken with this article.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/article1936346.ece

[diamond]

Definitely think he went to court twice to get her back. Abusers want you to be just as miserable as they are. IMO

That's right. Abusers don't want their victim to leave. It hurts their pride for the victim to find the strength to leave. Abusers will use any dirty trick they can to get the victim back under their control.

[dustyk]

wow.......

So i take it no one ever brought up abuse before she was murdered. thank you for just answering the question.

and just so you know i'm NOT saying she wasn't abused,..i'm just asking if it was brought up in the trial or before.

Sorry if i upset you.
YOu didn't upset me, I really didn't understand where you were going with that question, sounded pretty creepy. IMO

[Mimi428]

Definitely think he went to court twice to get her back. Abusers want you to be just as miserable as they are. IMO

And they want to "win". Can't stand the idea that she put one over on him. Infuriated at the idea that he would have to give up money & send to her. Then there is the whole 'possession' mindset - this is "mine". All the "you think you can get away that easy, but I'll show you"

Look at the number of men who kill over child support. I have tried to recall any case in which a woman killed the father of her children (&/or the children) to keep from paying child support & I just can't remember one. But we have all heard cases of men killing the mothers of their children - including the pregnant mothers of their children, because they apparently think murder is less of a burden to them than paying child support (hello, SP).

JMO

[dustyk]

And they want to "win". Can't stand the idea that she put one over on him. Infuriated at the idea that he would have to give up money & send to her. Then there is the whole 'possession' mindset - this is "mine". All the "you think you can get away that easy, but I'll show you"

Look at the number of men who kill over child support. I have tried to recall any case in which a woman killed the father of her children (&/or the children) to keep from paying child support & I just can't remember one. But we have all heard cases of men killing the mothers of their children - including the pregnant mothers of their children, because they apparently think murder is less of a burden to them than paying child support (hello, SP).

JMO
ITA They degrade you and think how dare you when you get out, It becomes an obsession at that point. IMO

[dustyk]

do you have a link then talking about the police have verified Crystal's whereabouts then? I would love to see it.
I am sure you have a reason to be so suspicious of Crystal...I would like to understand that and I am kind of new here, so I would like to hear why you think she would have something to do with this. Not being snarky just trying to understand, because as of now honestly this does not sound normal. JMO

[Mimi428]

ITA They degrade you and think how dare you when you get out, It becomes an obsession at that point. IMO

A most excellent point about how the obsession can kick in - the constant, relentless need to do one thing or another to get back at the person for leaving. Torment the kids because you know it will torment the parent who left. Tell the kids something like, "If Mommy says 'yes', we can go to Disney" - then when Mommy agrees for the sake of the kids - it's a victory. If Mommy does not agree, she is the bad, bad parent for depriving the kids of going to Disney.

Do anything to increase the anxiety. Keep the other person waiting if you are supposed to be handing over the kids. Threaten that you will take the kids & the partner will never see them again.

And whine, whine, whine to the kids about how everything was (or would be) just peachy if it just wasn't for that other bad parent.

[Mimi428]

In my volunteer work with the women's shelter I'm always searching the web for new information. I was quite taken with this article.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/article1936346.ece

Wow! Thanks for posting that link. What a powerful poster they have on that website - with the caption "Every Week Another Two Women Escape Domestic Violence" below the photograph of two covered bodies in the morgue, only the feet visible & with toe tags on them.

I looked around on the main website & found this interesting statistic (which applies to the UK, but is no doubt relevant elsewhere) -

On average a woman will be assaulted by her partner or ex-partner 35 times before reporting it to the police.

http://www.refuge.org.uk/page_l1-3_l2-276_.htm

[panache]

do you have a link then talking about the police have verified Crystal's whereabouts then? I would love to see it.

Nope, I'm not interested in Crystal's whereabouts. I really want to know where Misty was that night.

moo

[titanfan217]

Nope, I'm not interested in Crystal's whereabouts. I really want to know where Misty was that night.

moo


Yes, lets clear everyone that was in the house that night.

[panache]

i'm not really suspicious of Crystal. I don't think she kidnapped Haleigh. I just for the life of me can't figure out why she hasn't been cleared. I understand why Ron and Misty haven't been cleared but why not Crystal and Chad IF they were at home.

BUT with that being said i think Crystals being used by KP and FOX. Because Crystal and Ron were working great together and hugging all over each other and Crystal said there was nothing bad going on in the house before KP come along. and then i think KP worked a deal for Crystal to get some money from FOX for the "abuse" photos of Haleigh.

BUT with that being said............i do not blame Crystal for trying to raise money for Haleigh. Though for the life of me i can't understand why she now needs money for Chloe.

I would hope if Ron did abuse Crystal and her children she would not be so huggy with Ron and she wouldnt have mommy and daddy love you Haleigh on her myspace or photos of Ron on Haleighbug site. To me it's kind of a rub in the face. Oh daddy abused you but He loves you. and with Crystal not filing for custody makes me feel like she's ok with the abuse if there is abuse.

There is just no way i could have put a photo or message from my ex in my sons casket.

I don't think Ron or Crystal are bad parents. I think they are young and hang with a bad crowd. I hope haleigh is found soon and i hope ALL the adults get help for their drug habits and i hope they ALL get counseling.


those are just a few of MY thoughts and opinions about this case.

Aha.. Now I get it. You are confused because you have the timeline all wrong. Evidently you didn't look at the links posted today that clearly say there was a breech between Ron's family and Crystal's as early as Feb. 11th. Two days after haleigh went missing. Right out of Ron's mouth.

Kim P. did not come on the scene until weeks later. You can't blame Kim for what had already begun between the families.

moo

[titanfan217]

No details yet. But isn't this amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CC I See]

well yes me too but i'm not going to get tunnel vision and only focus on one person.

I was just curious as to why you keep bringing up Crystal and where she may or may not have been the night Haleigh went missing.

Do you really think that she drove to Satsuma sneaked in and abducted and then harmed her own daughter the night she went missing?

If so why do you think that? What possible reason would she have for harming her own daughter, one that she has stated that she loved and is devastated that she is now missing.

It would take some kind of monster to do such a thing so I would appreciate it if you would give us your reasoning for thinking that she would do such a thing.

[panache]

I love this picture


http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902151007/1118?Title=Officials_press_on_with_Haleigh_search

Yes the picture is great and if you would take the time to read the content of the article it should put your claim to rest that Kim P caused the discord between the families. The problems had already surfaced that first week.

moo

[Riverwalk!]

No details yet. But isn't this amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/Story.asp?s=10316317

[VC2]

well yes me too but i'm not going to get tunnel vision and only focus on one person.

Especially when you change the case slightly: A man is to appear in court the next day for 4k in back child support payments. He has a new relationship and child with the new mom. The night before the court hearing, his child is missing in the middle of the night from the home she lives in with her mother and her new relationship. Who would be suspect A? The only reason she wasn't is because she was female imo

At the very least the child support hearing has been put on hold and as far as i know not rescheduled. Revenge on an ex etc. Getting rid of one of the financial impediments to your new life.

I dont THINK crystal did it but i certainly think she should be seriously looked at. as i said earlier to me, amber is more likely plus haleigh would know her and go willingly if told it was a secret or something. Ron is with misty, and misty accused her of being a bad parent..talk about killing two birds with one stone. Either way i see far more motive for both Crystal and Amber than Ron (none imo) and Misty (little to none).

IMO

[5boxersmom]

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/Story.asp?s=10316317

Oh wow. I just got back on. I love happy ending. I am so glad he was found.

Now lets get the little boy in Ca. and Haleigh home. Is his name Bryant?

[CC I See]

I am having a busy day, so I skipped a few pages and I am trying to get caught up now.

I just wanted to thank you for posting these pictures of Haleigh and her family. I have to say, it brought tears to my eye's.

We need more people like you and the other person ( I don't know her) to keep little Haleigh's face out to the public.

I hope and pray little Haleigh is found soon!

Yes, it helps to put a face and a feeling to a person or persons who are being talked about in a missing person case. It also reminds us why we all are here.

[panache]

Yes i read the links from today and i have the time line just fine. I never said there was not problems with both the families. in fact Marie come out saying some nasty stuff and then had to go out and publicly apologize for it and before for forgiveness.

I blame Kim for the abuse stuff..... MOO

Kim P came on board March 19.

Long after the families discord.

As for the *abuse* factor. That's what attys. are for. To advocate for their client to see if the allegations of abuse are true.

Did you have an atty. for your claim of abuse?


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=133703&catid=295

[panache]

Especially when you change the case slightly: A man is to appear in court the next day for 4k in back child support payments. He has a new relationship and child with the new mom. The night before the court hearing, his child is missing in the middle of the night from the home she lives in with her mother and her new relationship. Who would be suspect A? The only reason she wasn't is because she was female imo

At the very least the child support hearing has been put on hold and as far as i know not rescheduled. Revenge on an ex etc. Getting rid of one of the financial impediments to your new life.

I dont THINK crystal did it but i certainly think she should be seriously looked at. as i said earlier to me, amber is more likely plus haleigh would know her and go willingly if told it was a secret or something. Ron is with misty, and misty accused her of being a bad parent..talk about killing two birds with one stone. Either way i see far more motive for both Crystal and Amber than Ron (none imo) and Misty (little to none).

IMO

Ever wonder why Ron waited so long to file against Crystal's child support arrears? Why did he wait till it reached 4K? If Crystal's wages were being garnished by the state, how is it the state didn't file charges against Crystal? States usually after three weeks of non payment normally take steps. IMO, the state or court is the only authority to garnish paychecks, how did Crystal's when she was paying get garnished? If you know. Something seems off kif filter here about this entire subject.

moo

[panache]

No i don't think Crystal kidnapped Haleigh but i'm not so sure about Chad or Crystals sister that beat Misty up.

I would also love to know where Amber and NayNay were that night.
i think they know more then what they are saying.


BUT


the key player in this case IMO is Misty....That little girl needs to grow up really fast and tell the TRUTH. i don't trust her at all. zero.... none ...notta.


MOO


If you don't think Crystal did it, why do you keep asking over and over where she was that night? Why?

moo

[panache]

ohhhhh you know if Ron was 4000 behind in child support people would be screaming "dead beat dad"....but with Crystal they ALWAYS have an excuse IMO

and yep i see a lot more motive in Crystal and Amber wanting Haleigh gone then Ron but now as far as Misty,..I think she was jealous of Haleigh being Rons heart and i'm not saying she did something to Haleigh i just think she knows who did though :(



MOO

Oh Vey!! Didn't you just post that Crystal had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance? Now, one post later, you say she has the motive?

moo

[CC I See]

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I really feel that if Misty was anywhere other than in that mobile home, someone would have seen her and came forward. I still feel that the family is innocent and a SO took that poor child. jmo

Please look at this picture and then tell if you think that a stranger, a SO could have grabbed this little girl out of her bed and her not throw a fit so loud that half of the neighborhood would have heard it. Yet, no one heard a sound that night.

This baby wouldn't let anyone mess with her that she didn't know.

http://www.artharris.com/

[panache]

Because i think we should know where ALL the key players were that night. Don't you?

what if Crystal was in satsuma that night? Would that change how you feel about her and her stories?

Nope, because she wasn't in Samsuma. Even Theresa Neves knows that.

moo

[panache]

Please look at this picture and then tell if you think that a stranger, a SO could have grabbed this little girl out of her bed and her not throw a fit so loud that half of the neighborhood would have heard it. Yet, no one heard a sound that night.

This baby wouldn't let anyone mess with her that she didn't know.

http://www.artharris.com/

Dem's a fighten little girl CC. Don't mess with her.:biggrin:

[titanfan217]

Ron filed against Crystal for the back child support? Got a link?
i thought the courts do that on their own. the money goes through the courts and they send the check to Ron so they knew when she stopped paying and all that.

Usually someone has to prompt the gov to take action. I won't say they never do it on their own but in general wouldn't expect them to move that fast.

[panache]

Ron filed against Crystal for the back child support? Got a link?
i thought the courts do that on their own. the money goes through the courts and they send the check to Ron so they knew when she stopped paying and all that.

The state filed? What took them so long? Do you have a link to the state filing? I thought Ron brought the arrear issue to court, sorry if I was mistaken.

moo

[CC I See]

Nope, because she wasn't in Samsuma. Even Theresa Neves knows that. moo

If LE had any suspicion about Crystal and her family being responsible for Haleigh being missing, they would have commented on this fact. They also would be interviewed and re interviewed them many times and LE would have said that they were not satisfied with their time line.

Misty is the one they state holds the key to what happened that night and she isn't talking.

[panache]

I realize this isn't Putnam County, but man, Florida authorities have a lot going on.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-lake-county-gangs-050509,0,2375526.story?page=2

[panache]

How do you or TN know where Crystal was that night? was the call made on the home phone or cell phone?

Your best bet is to ask Theresa.

[JackiBlu]

Hi everyone. I'm finally back!! Sorry if I missed any questions to me this morning but was on the phone for about 2 hours then hubby wanted me to run some errands with him. So again sorry if I missed any questions.

[Riverwalk!]

Remember earlier today we were discussing a body found in Lake County Florida? Here's the latest

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-body-found-050609,0,4661295.story

The clothing included blue jeans, brown work boots and a patterned, collared shirt, according to Sgt. John Herrell with the Lake County Sheriff's Office. A purple baseball cap with no logo also was found with the body, Herrell said in a statement.

I don't think it's Haleigh. IMO

[diamond]

Yes i read the links from today and i have the time line just fine. I never said there was not problems with both the families. in fact Marie come out saying some nasty stuff and then had to go out and publicly apologize for it and before for forgiveness.

I blame Kim for the abuse stuff..... MOO

Misplaced blame. Ron is to blame for the abuse. They are not lying about him "smacking the sh.." out of the Crystal, the children , other females...etc...

He is an abusive, arrogant personality. Place blame where blame is due.
All the attorney did was report the witness statements as told to her.

[JackiBlu]

Ron filed against Crystal for the back child support? Got a link?
i thought the courts do that on their own. the money goes through the courts and they send the check to Ron so they knew when she stopped paying and all that.

ITA FA. I have always thought it was the court that filed the motion. I can put it on my list to try and find after i catch up.


JMO

[seeker]

Wow he must have had lots of it for his bail to be so high. I think oxycodene is the generic name for percocet. So it's not the same as oxycontin; that's the really bad one.

JMO

They appear to be one in the same. (Addition: I posted this late in the day, not yet reading Mimi's post).

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/generic_oxycodone_factsheet.html

[Texas48]

I completely agree. Many grown men are in prison for statutory rape of underage girls and have to register as a sex offender. Eight years is a huge age difference and the comparison of maturity and life experience of a young girl that should have been excited about attending junior senior prom instead of playing house with a man with three children.Diamond..you and Mimi make good points about rape...the problem here is that these young women did not try and *run away*..fight the man off..tell the man..NO...sex was *not* forced on the young women we are speaking of in this case..IF it was I feel charges would have been filed..It is my belief that these *girls* were willing participants..so I see no satutory rape here. all my opinions

[diamond]

is that your opinion or facts?

It is my opinion based on the fact of his interviews and his demeanor.

He is cocky and arrogant.

[diamond]

Diamond..you and Mimi make good points about rape...the problem here is that these young women did not try and *run away*..fight the man off..tell the man..NO...sex was *not* forced on the young women we are speaking of in this case..IF it was I feel charges would have been filed..It is my belief that these *girls* were willing participants..so I see no satutory rape here. all my opinions

Statutory Rape is
Sexual relations with a person who has not reached the statutory age of consent.

So yes, it is statutory rape for a man of 24 years to have sex with a child of 16 years.

[panache]

then maybe you shouldn't speak for TN.......you said she knew where Crystal was that night. Got a link?

Both Theresa and Crystal have each said they spoke via the phone that night. Have a go at the links, I'm sure you'll come across it. Its been posted over and over.

Do you have a link to Crystal loosing her DL? I never heard that. If that was true she would have been cited at that last accident she had .

moo

[diamond]

cocky and arrogant don't make you and abuser. IMO


Does taking drugs before, during and after your pregnancy or being too lazy to get out of bed to take your sick children to the dr make you a bad mother?

Abusers are cocky, arrogant and more. I have never seen a shy, geeky, meek man that was abusive.

[JackiBlu]

They appear to be one in the same. (Addition: I posted this late in the day, not yet reading Mimi's post).

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/generic_oxycodone_factsheet.html


I've had 2 surgeries on my shoulder and take percocet when needed for the pain. My doctor told me it was NOT oxycontin.

JMO

[seeker]

All those pictures of Crystal and Ronald and not in a one of them does she look like an abused woman IMO

What does an abused woman look like?

[Riverwalk!]

ITA FA. I have always thought it was the court that filed the motion. I can put it on my list to try and find after i catch up.


JMO

They did and the State of Fl. interceded on behalf of Haleigh and RC, Jr.:

snipped from L O N G report of Cummings v Sheffield (Paternity)
2008-06-16 055.DOR INTERCEPT IN THE AMOUNT OF $48.00 ON 06/16/08

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

DOR = Dept. of Revenue that collects Child Support.
http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/

[seeker]

The active ingredient in Oxycontin is Oxycodone which is the main ingredient in Percocet, Percodan, Tylox, Roxicet, Oxycocet, OxyIR, Endodan, Endocet and probably a few more names not mentioned.

http://www.drugbuyers.com/oxycontin/

Even if taken whole - the doses can be too high for someone who has never taken opiates before in their life. When these tablets are crushed it is even more detrimental. Percocet contains 5mg of Oxycodone - One 80 Mg Oxycontin contains the equivalent of 16 Percocet. When crushed it is like taking 16 Percocet at one time. One 160mg tablet is equivalent to 32 Percocet. So when used illegally and crushed it is like taking a whole bottle of Percocet at once.

Jacki, I just brought this over for you. Only trying to help.

[Motomom]

If you don't think Crystal did it, why do you keep asking over and over where she was that night? Why?

moo

Maybe because her and chad were never "cleared". Nobody was "cleared". I believe a couple were cleared and then uncleared IIRC. Why weren't they cleared? That's what she's asking I think. I feel the same way. At the very least LE could come out and clear them. They were over 2 hours away.. if they were home, clear them. Same thing with Ron. Le says they are satisfied with his account, with the 8 hours in question yet he hasn't been cleared.. Maybe if the parents were officially cleared, some of the rumor and gossip would die down in regards to them.. maybe.

Crystal should have been the first person they cleared IMO and I don't understand why LE isn't telling people that yet.

I normally trust LE.. I do.. but something just doesn't seem right here IMO

[Motomom]

Please look at this picture and then tell if you think that a stranger, a SO could have grabbed this little girl out of her bed and her not throw a fit so loud that half of the neighborhood would have heard it. Yet, no one heard a sound that night.

This baby wouldn't let anyone mess with her that she didn't know.

http://www.artharris.com/

I love that picture of her..she's soo stinking cute. She looks to have one heck of a personality..

[Mimi428]

I've had 2 surgeries on my shoulder and take percocet when needed for the pain. My doctor told me it was NOT oxycontin.

JMO

And he is correct. Percocet is not Oxycontin.

But both Percocet & Oxycontin contain OXYCODONE.

Oxycontin is a time-released capsule containing oxycodone.

I posted info about this right after you made the first post about Percocet. Scroll on back, I'm sure it is there.