Mother, 2 sons[Colemans]dead in home, Columbia, ILL[5/19 Ftr.arrested]

[Amy]

Well he said it was even foolish for him to be on her show...so NG fixed it :lol:


I think he was acting foolish. The reality is that the LE is keeping this quiet, but does not mean that the husband is still not a POI, or perhaps a suspect or the suspect.

He just wanted to be confrontational, because anyone that has folllowed cases even causually knows that just because LE has not screamed from the roof tops they suspect the husband, he is cleared.

Actually, LE has never said that either....that the husband was cleared.

Guess I am going to have to catch a rerun of the NG show--but I'm watching an intervention program, so it will have to be later. Hope I don't get called in to work before I can.

[Musterion]

Watching NG.

Anybody else hear Major Jeff Connor said "messages on the walls."

I thought it was one message. Maybe this means more than one OR maybe the words were painted across several walls.

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

Watching NG.

Anybody else hear Major Jeff Connor said "messages on the walls."

I thought it was one message. Maybe this means more than one OR maybe the words were painted across several walls.

IMO.
M.

I didn't catch that when I watched her earlier tonight, but it might explain why we've heard both basement and Nancy say bedroom. :confused:

[kanzz]

Well he said it was even foolish for him to be on her show...so NG fixed it :lol:

I think he was acting foolish. The reality is that the LE is keeping this quiet, but does not mean that the husband is still not a POI, or perhaps a suspect or the suspect.

He just wanted to be confrontational, because anyone that has folllowed cases even causually knows that just because LE has not screamed from the roof tops they suspect the husband, he is cleared.

Actually, LE has never said that either....that the husband was cleared.

I thought he said "embarrassed".

[~jomomma~]

I've heard that it looks like the killer was supposed to have used an open window in the basement to get in/out of the house. Would it be possible to avoid cameras using this route, for instance through the back yard? My Google map looks like it's pretty open behind the house. :unsure:

i was checking that out. that must be an older shot in the map. looks like their place was in process of being built?
funny the video was going on NG and on the videos we've seen there are homes all around the Coleman house.

[LILMANMAX]

i was checking that out. that must be an older shot in the map. looks like their place was in process of being built?
funny the video was going on NG and on the videos we've seen there are homes all around the Coleman house.


Not many trees or vegetation so looks like relatively newer SD. I'm not in the habit of B&E but it sure looks like to me someone would have noticed someone crawling in and out of a window. Pretty lame to me.

The crime scene seems so staged. It really does. A pro would never have entered that way or left evidence. And certainly would not have tossed it on the side of the road. No way - no how. JMO

[Tracian]

I thought he said "embarrassed".



You're both right, sorry...I was really shocked to hear him go off like that...I just checked the transcripts are not up yet..it was pretty wild, LOL.

[Musterion]

Read article for why. Here is why security is important to JMM.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/meyer/meyer27.html

St. Louis Post-Dispatch/November 15, 2003

"Security is important to Meyer, who says she has received death threats. She has a division of the ministry dedicated to her safety. Her officers wear pistols; they guard the headquarters’ front gate, keeping out anyone but employees and invited guests.

The ministry bought a $145,000 house where the security chief lives rent-free to keep him close to the ministry’s headquarters."

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I didn't catch that when I watched her earlier tonight, but it might explain why we've heard both basement and Nancy say bedroom. :confused:

You're right, sunstar. This will be interesting when we get all the facts.

IMO.
M.

[LILMANMAX]

You're both right, sorry...I was really shocked to hear him go off like that...I just checked the transcripts are not up yet..it was pretty wild, LOL.

I've never seen that guy before. Not sure who he is. Except someone acting foolish. Glad NG shut him down. JMO Probably will not see him around much anymore after his performance tonight. :rolleyes:

[Hannibal]

televangelist..That's what she is..a televangelist who pulls in lots of cash..so robbery /burglary is more of a threat to her than anything else I would think.

If the husband did it he was rather careless..
I don't see how he thought he could have gotten away with it..nor do I understand why..if he wanted to leave his wife..he just didn't get a divorce.He had handsome sons...
It pains me to think a father would harm his own kids...

:sad:

I hope he isn't guilty....just for the sake of the family.....hers as well as his.....

What did she do for a living ? Was she a stay at home mom ?
If so..he must have made a good living just from being what amounts to a security guard.

Yes his fingerprints could be on the paint can...or even found..if they are lucky..inside the glove..I saw a case where they got fingerpirnts from the inside of a glove......hard to do but possible......

A lot depends on the timeline and whether the husband was at the gym at the time of the murders....If there are security cameras at the gym that might help as well.

[Amy]

Watching NG.

Anybody else hear Major Jeff Connor said "messages on the walls."

I thought it was one message. Maybe this means more than one OR maybe the words were painted across several walls.

IMO.
M.

I wasn't listening all that closely, for some reason, I just cannot deal w/her bombshell attitude, or her rudeness to anyone who doesn't give her the exact answer she is wanting. I watched to see the showdown between her and Clark? was it. I take it he as a local reporter from Columbia.

A few of the others need to just take their mikes off when she is so rude and outrageous. I swear, they must be getting some serious money to be on the show--I can't see anyone putting up w/that for FREE!!!! Or, even to get their mugs out on national tv.

I know it's her show and all that, but when she is WRONG and the other person is RIGHT, she should graciously (as in N GRACE) accept the correction and go on with the show. Hey, she could even find a way to graciously acknowledge the correction, giving the th credit. Not that this fellow was right or wrong, she booted him out so fast, I'm not sure WHAT he was going to say!!!

Anyway, if my nerves can get over the first time, I might see about checking in again to see what Major Connor was saying. Maybe I should just listent closely the first time, then I wouldn't have to put myself thru the 2nd or 3rd time. :tongueside:

[Amy]

I thought he said "embarrassed".

And then she says "SOMEBODY CUT OFF HIS MIKE!!!" lol.

I say, WAY TO GO, CLARK!!! Hey, he's had national exposure, and w/this episode, he might just get a lot of coverage out of this, pun intended.

[kanzz]

You're both right, sorry...I was really shocked to hear him go off like that...I just checked the transcripts are not up yet..it was pretty wild, LOL.

no apology necessary here! It was pretty wild. Hate to admit it, but I was LOL.

[Kat4Eagles]

I presume the thought is the guy wanted to be with his girlfriend in Fla and that's why he did it..But you would think he would have made promises to her whcih she probably has related to LE...

I presume the police in Fla have her phone tapped and are recording it in case he calls her and makes an admission.

I don't know why they bothered with fingerprints.It was his house so naturally his prints would be in it..so that's not much evidence.

I think this case is going to be a hard case to prove and I don't agree that an arrest is imminent.


If you think this is a hard case, try the Michelle Young case.
2 and 1/2 years and still no arrest.
And, the word imminent was used so much it lost all meaning........
I hope this one will be easier ..
JMO
Kat

[Tracian]

And then she says "SOMEBODY CUT OFF HIS MIKE!!!" lol.

I say, WAY TO GO, CLARK!!! Hey, he's had national exposure, and w/this episode, he might just get a lot of coverage out of this, pun intended.



IMO, it would have been better if his point made sense. Look how long it took to arrest Drew Peterson. Just because no arrests have been made does not mean they are not looking at someone 'close to home'

[kellabeck]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/82959BCFC0B27305862575BA007A1BAB?OpenDocument

Glove found in Coleman killings
By Nicholas J.C. Pistor
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
05/18/2009

His DNA on a glove that could be matched to the paint in the house would be just so conclusive! And if the gloves are latex, they can contain fingerprints! That would be awesome, too.

[kellabeck]

Just as Jason Young did when he murdered his wife Michelle and had her sister go and find her body and rescue his daughter, 2 and a half years ago and yet has to face criminal charges. He has, however, been found guilty in a civil court and has a $15 000 000 judgmentawarded against him in a wrongful death suit. These murderers are a sick bunch of cowards, inflicting additional trauma on innocent bystanders and, if as I believe, CC is responsible, the fact he called an off-duty LEO doesn't make it any less reprehensible.

Oh, I didn't know Young lost the civil suit!! A jury found he was liable in her wrongful death and yet LE hasn't arrested him?

Why don't they give the case to a good cold case squad with fresh eyes?

[Leanne Weich]

Oh, I didn't know Young lost the civil suit!! A jury found he was liable in her wrongful death and yet LE hasn't arrested him?

Why don't they give the case to a good cold case squad with fresh eyes?

According to the lead detective in his Affidavit used in support of Linda and Meredith's wrongful death suit, he believes an arrest will be made. Hopefully it will happen in the near future as the transition period for the transfer of Cassidy is almost over. Sorry for the o/t peeps.

I hope that CC is arrested in short order. I don't think I could go through another case of waiting for 2+ years for an arrest.

[kellabeck]

SNIP

And REALLY want to know what *I told you this would happen* was meant to mean. This is a curious aspect and piece of evidence in this crime--like trying to communicate that someone was killing this family as a follow-through on a threat. That the survivor deserved some kind of punishment or deadly pay-off. The message seems to have been left for the living--would mean nothing to mom and boys, since they will not ever see it. Anyhow, the handwriting will be part of his undoing.

Very sad. Way more to this story, as with all crimes.

The spray painting -- and the "threats" -- are, if you'd excuse the pun, a red herring meant to deflect suspicion from the killer. Staging, in other words. Just like the usual bit of staging-- ransacking to make it seem like a "burglary gone bad" (as if a burglary could go 'good').

Jeffrey McDonald staged his murder scene with a minimal ransacking and the writing (in a Latex glove) of "PIG" on the headboard in blood to copy the Manson slaughterfest.

[Tracian]

The spray painting -- and the "threats" -- are, if you'd excuse the pun, a red herring meant to deflect suspicion from the killer. Staging, in other words. Just like the usual bit of staging-- ransacking to make it seem like a "burglary gone bad" (as if a burglary could go 'good').

Jeffrey McDonald staged his murder scene with a minimal ransacking and the writing (in a Latex glove) of "PIG" on the headboard in blood to copy the Manson slaughterfest.


Exactly my thoughts....Shades of McDonald with this crime scene.

It took 10 long years to bring him to justice.

[bkwits]

There has been some discussion about the location/distance of the gym that CC went to on the morning his family was found murdered.

It is definitely a Gold's Gym in So STL county as has been reported by many, many media sources. There are two Gold's Gyms in So County (MO). One in Fenton, MO and another in the Concord Village area.

A poster on the Post-Dispatch message board says that his girlfriend works out at the same Gold's gym as CC (but doesn't know him). She works out at the Concord Village gym.

The Concord Village Gold's is the closer one to Columbia IL. It is less than 1/2 mile from my sister's home, so I am quite familiar with the area. It would take take 15 to 20 minutes from the Coleman house to this gym, with light traffic.

IMO

[KittyMom]

I would hope that his father would be able to convince him to tell the truth about this situation. I'm hoping that gloves is high priority at the lab and we hear something soon.

[bkwits]

I would hope that his father would be able to convince him to tell the truth about this situation. I'm hoping that gloves is high priority at the lab and we hear something soon.


I would guess that his parents don't believe that he murdered his family. Unless I knew that one of my two grown sons was hopelessly, mentally ill, I would not believe it. I would be the last person on earth that would believe one of my sons could do such a horrific act. I would think it is the same with Chris Coleman's parents.

IMO

[Tracian]

I have not heard...has a time of death been offered by LE?
Also, has anyone verified that it was the habit of the husband to call home when he was away to ensure his family was up and getting ready for the day?

[kellabeck]

I would guess that his parents don't believe that he murdered his family. Unless I knew that one of my two grown sons was hopelessly, mentally ill, I would not believe it. I would be the last person on earth that would believe one of my sons could do such a horrific act. I would think it is the same with Chris Coleman's parents.

Even when presented with evidence? Even when it becomes painfully clear that your child has lied, is lying? Even when you learn that your child had a double life and was cheating on the spouse?

You'd still refuse to believe the evidence??

[KittyMom]

Even when presented with evidence? Even when it becomes painfully clear that your child has lied, is lying? Even when you learn that your child had a double life and was cheating on the spouse?

You'd still refuse to believe the evidence??

I was about to post the same questions. Unless you're Cindy Anthony, you would at some point look at the evidence and conclude that your child has lied to you at which point you would question what else your child has hidden from you. At least, I would.

[Musterion]

Even when presented with evidence? Even when it becomes painfully clear that your child has lied, is lying? Even when you learn that your child had a double life and was cheating on the spouse?

You'd still refuse to believe the evidence??

Good morning, kellabeck!

It seems that CC's parents probably do not believe whatever evidence there is. And, there isn't much evidence at this point, evidence which LE has stated or confirmed.

CC may have told his parents that he did not have an affair.

IMO, at this point, if I was faced with my child's spouse and two children murdered at the home while he was at the gym and all the months before I had been told and read the threats to his family, I would not believe that he had anything to do with their deaths.

If CC had never been in trouble with the law and had never been caught in any lies, it would be hard and I do understand how his parents would not believe he had anything to do with the slayings. And that they are standing behind him 100%.

His parents are not in the same paradigm that crime board posters are in.

IMO.
M.

[Kip]

Good morning, kellabeck!

It seems that CC's parents probably do not believe whatever evidence there is. And, there isn't much evidence at this point, evidence which LE has stated or confirmed.

CC may have told his parents that he did not have an affair.

IMO, at this point, if I was faced with my child's spouse and two children murdered at the home while he was at the gym and all the months before I had been told and read the threats to his family, I would not believe that he had anything to do with their deaths.

If CC had never been in trouble with the law and had never been caught in any lies, it would be hard and I do understand how his parents would not believe he had anything to do with the slayings. And that they are standing behind him 100%.

His parents are not in the same paradigm that crime board posters are in.

IMO.
M.

I agree. It would be very hard for the parents to accept that their son is capable of killing their grandchildren and daughter-in-law. I've believed CC was responsible since day one, but there's no actual evidence made public yet. LE has had a glove and part of the dvr since very early on, but we have no idea if they'll be able to tie them to CC other than they were found on the route between his home and the gym.

I'm sure his parents are having doubts, but it's a difficult set of circumstances to navigate. Suppose they come out and accuse CC outright and it turns out he's innocent -- that could cause irreparable harm to their relationship.

[Ice Cycle]

Even when presented with evidence? Even when it becomes painfully clear that your child has lied, is lying? Even when you learn that your child had a double life and was cheating on the spouse?

You'd still refuse to believe the evidence??

Their is not any normal parent that would not have a extreme problem in believing their child could do such a thing.
Then usually when the evidence shows it is they usually go into denial, I don't know but I would think that would be normal.
It's too out there to even imagine.

[bkwits]

Even when presented with evidence? Even when it becomes painfully clear that your child has lied, is lying? Even when you learn that your child had a double life and was cheating on the spouse?

You'd still refuse to believe the evidence??

I don't think Coleman's parents are privy to the evidence. What I am saying is that it would take a whole lot more than I've seen for most parents to be convinced of their son's guilt in murdering his whole family...his darling young sons, FGS.

Adultery is awful and deceitful, but it is a far cry from actually strangling your wife and young boys. CC did not show up at his parents home with blood all over his clothes, and disoriented or anything. He has a plausible alibi (for someone who wants to believe him). They always suspect the husband in these cases. I cannot see where loving parents would not believe him (from what we outsiders know). Now, I think he most likely did it, but it is not a slam dunk, by any means.

IMO

[Tracian]

According to NG's show, Coleman first said the elderly parents of his wife could have the bodies moved for a service closer to their home, then said 'no, to expensive' Then her parents said they would pay the expense, then he said 'no' again...after agreeing for a time...HER family had to get a court order so they could have a service they could attend. (apparently, they have health issues)

I wonder if his parents had any thoughts about that, because IMO, it is rather telling if they didn't attempt to get their son to do they right thing for his grieving in laws.

[Jester]

According to NG's show, Coleman first said the elderly parents of his wife could have the bodies moved for a service closer to their home, then said 'no, to expensive' Then her parents said they would pay the expense, then he said 'no' again...after agreeing for a time...HER family had to get a court order so they could have a service they could attend. (apparently, they have health issues)

I wonder if his parents had any thoughts about that, because IMO, it is rather telling if they didn't attempt to get their son to do they right thing for his grieving in laws.

I wish I had the link to the order, as the information in there is somewhat different. My understanding is that Chris initially offered to have the bodies sent to Chicago for a service. This was done because it was difficult for everyone to travel to the hometown. Notice was sent across the country about the memorial, but shortly before it was to happen, Chris changed his mind. He was on the phone, and his father was in the background during the call, when he changed his mind. I suspect it was Chris's father who suggested Chris renege on his suggestion to have a memorial in Chicago. The court order forced Chris to stand behind his original suggestion of sending the bodies to Chicago. Sheri's family stated all along that they would pay all expenses for transport.

[Tracian]

I wish I had the link to the order, as the information in there is somewhat different. My understanding is that Chris initially offered to have the bodies sent to Chicago for a service. This was done because it was difficult for everyone to travel to the hometown. Notice was sent across the country about the memorial, but shortly before it was to happen, Chris changed his mind. He was on the phone, and his father was in the background during the call, when he changed his mind. I suspect it was Chris's father who suggested Chris renege on his suggestion to have a memorial in Chicago. The court order forced Chris to stand behind his original suggestion of sending the bodies to Chicago. Sheri's family stated all along that they would pay all expenses for transport.


Thanks for the information, because I just heard a quick version of events on NG from one of the reporters.

[bkwits]

I wish I had the link to the order, as the information in there is somewhat different. My understanding is that Chris initially offered to have the bodies sent to Chicago for a service. This was done because it was difficult for everyone to travel to the hometown. Notice was sent across the country about the memorial, but shortly before it was to happen, Chris changed his mind. He was on the phone, and his father was in the background during the call, when he changed his mind. I suspect it was Chris's father who suggested Chris renege on his suggestion to have a memorial in Chicago. The court order forced Chris to stand behind his original suggestion of sending the bodies to Chicago. Sheri's family stated all along that they would pay all expenses for transport.


That is my understanding also of the events. Such a dispute among grieving families does not have any bearing on guilt or innocence, IMO. It can be interpreted many ways. CC did not want open caskets, his in-laws did. I can see that both ways. Many of these disputes and disagreements don't seem to be that much out of the norm. IMO

[kellabeck]

There were threats in mailed letters-- so one assumes these were kept and turned over to LE.

Shades of Walker Railey!

And what does anyone know about a surveillance camera trained on the house?? On the front and the window left open was in the rear??

[Amy]

Good morning, kellabeck!

It seems that CC's parents probably do not believe whatever evidence there is. And, there isn't much evidence at this point, evidence which LE has stated or confirmed.

CC may have told his parents that he did not have an affair.

IMO, at this point, if I was faced with my child's spouse and two children murdered at the home while he was at the gym and all the months before I had been told and read the threats to his family, I would not believe that he had anything to do with their deaths.

If CC had never been in trouble with the law and had never been caught in any lies, it would be hard and I do understand how his parents would not believe he had anything to do with the slayings. And that they are standing behind him 100%.

His parents are not in the same paradigm that crime board posters are in.

IMO.
M.

And I give CC's parents kudos for class. Now, I don't know what was said @ Sunday services in his dad's church, but @ least his parents and siblings haven't been out giving statements to reporters, getting their faces on local tv and NG, striking out @ people who comment in the news section, or message board bloggers.

And also to the reporters--to give the family their time to be grieving over the deaths of their family members, and to deal w/the horror that it was murder, not just death.

[klock777]

WOW i just finished watching NG. I can't believe that guy told her that her and her show were a joke and she pulled his mic. Seriously what was that dude thinking?

He was thinking exactly what I think every night I watch her-lol

I wish Greta would get back on track with these stories - I don't know how much longer I can stand NG!!!!

[Amy]

There were threats in mailed letters-- so one assumes these were kept and turned over to LE.

Shades of Walker Railey!

And what does anyone know about a surveillance camera trained on the house?? On the front and the window left open was in the rear??

LE has acknowledged the Coleman's came to them about the threats, but would not give out information. I would assume that LE has those letters? Or @ least copies of them, but I would think the originals.

I tho't I had read about a camera that was trained on the mailbox, but don't know if the mail box is on the house, or one @ the curb (we have both, here.) I guess if it was to catch activity @ the mailbox, it would depend on where that was, if it would catch activity on any of the doors on the house.

[darcie]

There were threats in mailed letters-- so one assumes these were kept and turned over to LE.

Shades of Walker Railey!

And what does anyone know about a surveillance camera trained on the house?? On the front and the window left open was in the rear??



I don't think it has ever been verified if the letters were actually postmarked letters, or just letters that were *found* in the mailbox.

There was a security camera placed (i am assuming) by Chris Coleman ozoning in on their mailbox. There was also a camera on the subdivison entrance/exit that I believe is City owned. The open window was in the back; a basement window. That had a walk out basement, so the window was a regular sized window. I'll try to find the picture.



Hope I got that all rgiht

[Ice Cycle]

LE has acknowledged the Coleman's came to them about the threats, but would not give out information. I would assume that LE has those letters? Or @ least copies of them, but I would think the originals.

I tho't I had read about a camera that was trained on the mailbox, but don't know if the mail box is on the house, or one @ the curb (we have both, here.) I guess if it was to catch activity @ the mailbox, it would depend on where that was, if it would catch activity on any of the doors on the house.

Yes but wouldn't you think they would have added more security such as a s system, extra pad locks, a dog or something. A camera doesn't do much good after the fact. If in fact it is true, which is doubtful.

[Musterion]

There were threats in mailed letters-- so one assumes these were kept and turned over to LE.

Shades of Walker Railey!

And what does anyone know about a surveillance camera trained on the house?? On the front and the window left open was in the rear??

I didn't know that they had confirmed the threats were mailed. I thought it just said received threats in the mailbox?

I may be mistaken, though.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

And I give CC's parents kudos for class. Now, I don't know what was said @ Sunday services in his dad's church, but @ least his parents and siblings haven't been out giving statements to reporters, getting their faces on local tv and NG, striking out @ people who comment in the news section, or message board bloggers.

And also to the reporters--to give the family their time to be grieving over the deaths of their family members, and to deal w/the horror that it was murder, not just death.

Hi Amy,

I think the family and CC have been handed some wisdom from the attorney's that have been hired. No one has talked, as you say, and that is in the best interest of CC. He's made no statements, has not tried to defend himself. Whether he killed his family or not, these things, in the long run will benefit him.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I don't think it has ever been verified if the letters were actually postmarked letters, or just letters that were *found* in the mailbox.

There was a security camera placed (i am assuming) by Chris Coleman ozoning in on their mailbox. There was also a camera on the subdivison entrance/exit that I believe is City owned. The open window was in the back; a basement window. That had a walk out basement, so the window was a regular sized window. I'll try to find the picture.

Hope I got that all rgiht

Hi darcie,

IMO, if the information is correct that the camera was set to record on their mailbox, the threatening letters were not mailed, but hand delivered and secreted into their box.

JMO.
M.

[darcie]

Here is a link to some pictures. The mailbox is on the street, not the house. I know someone asked that earlier.

http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=746843&CategoryID=38578&ListSubAlbums=0

And here is the link to the basement window.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/murd625may9.jpg

[Musterion]

Yes but wouldn't you think they would have added more security such as a s system, extra pad locks, a dog or something. A camera doesn't do much good after the fact. If in fact it is true, which is doubtful.

Hi Ice Cycle,

I haven't heard that they did not have a security system or extra locks in place. If you have that information could you post it? With all the info out there I may have read wrong.

I'm thinking there may be an assumption about the added security to the home because it's been reported that a back window or door was open? I can't remember who reported that something was left open.

IMO.
M.

[darcie]

Hi darcie,

IMO, if the information is correct that the camera was set to record on their mailbox, the threatening letters were not mailed, but hand delivered and secreted into their box.

JMO.
M.


Well that makes sense...lol. Sometimes I get tunnel vision!

I would definitely agree, thanks for that!:biggrin:

[Musterion]

Here is a link to some pictures. The mailbox is on the street, not the house. I know someone asked that earlier.

http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=746843&CategoryID=38578&ListSubAlbums=0

And here is the link to the basement window.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/murd625may9.jpg

Thank you for posting those, darcie.

Was it confirmed that the window or slider were left open? Or is that just an assumption?

IMO.
M.

[FallenAngel♥]

Thank you for posting those, darcie.

Was it confirmed that the window or slider were left open? Or is that just an assumption?

IMO.
M.

I can tell you from first hand experience those sliders are very easy to get in to.

[dgfred]

I would think a real 'killer' would not leave writing on the wall or leave the window open showing how they entered. Seems so 'staged' to me...
with the gf, previous threats, open window, conveiniently not at home, camera's not on the back, not to mention the personal nature of a strangling. If it was a set-up by someone else, it was a pretty good one and their timing was perfect it seems.

[omsk99]

~snipped (bolding is mine)

"The glove was found along Interstate 255 in Illinois, on the same route that Chris Coleman would have traveled to the gym, where he was on May 5, 2009, before the police discovered his wife and two sons were strangled to death."

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d18-Chris-Coleman-alleged-girlfriend-lives-in-Largo-Florida

[Musterion]

I can tell you from first hand experience those sliders are very easy to get in to.

Very true.

I got a security pin on the top of mine and a wood dowel for the bottom of the door. It worked really well. I felt more secure. Without those added I don't think most people are very safe and they I think they don't even realize it.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Well that makes sense...lol. Sometimes I get tunnel vision!

I would definitely agree, thanks for that!:biggrin:

You're welcome. I didn't realize it right away either. LOL!

IMO.
M.

[Ice Cycle]

Hi Ice Cycle,

I haven't heard that they did not have a security system or extra locks in place. If you have that information could you post it? With all the info out there I may have read wrong.

I'm thinking there may be an assumption about the added security to the home because it's been reported that a back window or door was open? I can't remember who reported that something was left open.

IMO.
M.

No Musterion I don't have information that they did not have these things but on the other hand I have not seen anything in reference that they added any of these things after they started getting the threats, other than the camera. That is what I meant.

[Jester]

Here is a link to some pictures. The mailbox is on the street, not the house. I know someone asked that earlier.

http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=746843&CategoryID=38578&ListSubAlbums=0

And here is the link to the basement window.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/murd625may9.jpg

Thanks for the links. I had been under the impression that the basement window was a miniature window leading to a darkened basement; one that could easily be overlooked. That is a main floor, full-sized window. How could Mr Security have forgotten to ensure that a main floor window was not locked at night? Open main floor windows are one of the most common points of entry in a break-in. That's just unbelievable, along with most of the facts that have been released.

[Jester]

I can tell you from first hand experience those sliders are very easy to get in to. There are all sorts of high quality locking mechanisms that can, and should, be added to the sliders. Again, how could Mr Security have overlooked this basic safety issue?

[Musterion]

No Musterion I don't have information that they did not have these things but on the other hand I have not seen anything in reference that they added any of these things after they started getting the threats, other than the camera. That is what I meant.

Gotcha! And, you are right. We don't know whether they did or didn't and it would seem if they did have the added security measures that might have made it onto the news. Maybe not.

This is a very tight lipped case. Most everybody close to the case is not talking.

JMO.
M.

[Amy]

I don't think it has ever been verified if the letters were actually postmarked letters, or just letters that were *found* in the mailbox.

There was a security camera placed (i am assuming) by Chris Coleman ozoning in on their mailbox. There was also a camera on the subdivison entrance/exit that I believe is City owned. The open window was in the back; a basement window. That had a walk out basement, so the window was a regular sized window. I'll try to find the picture.



Hope I got that all rgiht

That's pretty much how I understand the letters and the cameras, too. All I ever read was "threatening letters" and that they (the Coleman's went to police, verified by LE) but no one has said how they were received. I'm wondering, because of the camera on the mailbox, that possibly they were just placed in the mailbox, but that is just an assumption on my part.

[Amy]

Yes but wouldn't you think they would have added more security such as a s system, extra pad locks, a dog or something. A camera doesn't do much good after the fact. If in fact it is true, which is doubtful.

I think the camera was placed to catch someone placing the letters in the mailbox, if that is how they received them. Wonder if they got any more letters after that? Seems, unless the camera was in a prominent place, easily detected, someone placing letters there wouldn't have a clue. So, if the letters stopped, one would wonder if the person sending the letters knew the camera was there? Like someone who placed the camera?

Anyway, I do agree with all the other posters--it sure seems odd that a person who has been receiving threatening letters would have so little security around the home. Even if they didn't have the money to tighten it up, surely their parents' would be happy to help them out. It is even more wierd that the husband/father works in security and is lax around his own home, especially in light of the threats. (And locking windows and doors is an added security, too.)

[Amy]

Thanks for the links. I had been under the impression that the basement window was a miniature window leading to a darkened basement; one that could easily be overlooked. That is a main floor, full-sized window. How could Mr Security have forgotten to ensure that a main floor window was not locked at night? Open main floor windows are one of the most common points of entry in a break-in. That's just unbelievable, along with most of the facts that have been released.

I was under the impression that the pic of the door and window w/the tape are those from the walk out basement in the back. And, that the window in the pick was the one unlocked. But, again, just my assumption, and I could be wrong.

[Ice Cycle]

I think the camera was placed to catch someone placing the letters in the mailbox, if that is how they received them. Wonder if they got any more letters after that? Seems, unless the camera was in a prominent place, easily detected, someone placing letters there wouldn't have a clue. So, if the letters stopped, one would wonder if the person sending the letters knew the camera was there? Like someone who placed the camera?

Anyway, I do agree with all the other posters--it sure seems odd that a person who has been receiving threatening letters would have so little security around the home. Even if they didn't have the money to tighten it up, surely their parents' would be happy to help them out. It is even more wierd that the husband/father works in security and is lax around his own home, especially in light of the threats. (And locking windows and doors is an added security, too.)

I just wonder who's idea the camera at the mailbox was, could it of been LE or the Ministry's? Another question is somewhere I think I read and not for sure that he worked nights? Does anyone know what his normal work hours were?

[FallenAngel♥]

There are all sorts of high quality locking mechanisms that can, and should, be added to the sliders. Again, how could Mr Security have overlooked this basic safety issue?

oh please don't get me wrong. I think he killed his wife and children. I'm just talking about the sliding glass doors and how they suck. and i seriously doubt he over looked anything. I think he's had this murder planned for years.


MOO

[bkwits]

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Anyway, I do agree with all the other posters--it sure seems odd that a person who has been receiving threatening letters would have so little security around the home. Even if they didn't have the money to t. It is even more wierd that the husband/father works in tighten it up, surely their parents' would be happy to help them ousecurity and is lax around his own home, especially in light of the threats. (And locking windows and doors is an added security, too.)

Bolding mine.

I read in one of the many articles or blogs that Chris Coleman's salary was $100K annually. Cost of living in that area is quite moderate (compared to Chicago Metro area). So I think he could afford security.

IMO

[sunstar]

i was checking that out. that must be an older shot in the map. looks like their place was in process of being built?
funny the video was going on NG and on the videos we've seen there are homes all around the Coleman house.

I'm just getting back here tonight so I'm sorry I didn't answer this earlier :smile: but one thing I did notice is the lack of trees, shrubs, etc. right by the house (from the photos on Nancy's show). So it seems really unlikely to me that somebody would take a risk in daylight to enter/exit the house to kill the family. MOO

[sunstar]

There are all sorts of high quality locking mechanisms that can, and should, be added to the sliders. Again, how could Mr Security have overlooked this basic safety issue?

There are also security doors (screen with bars) with deadbolt locks that can be installed outside the sliding door (in place of the usual sliding screen door). :smile:

[Hannibal]

Sad the husband didn 't let the wife's family come and have the late wife's items from the home after the murder.Sad even more sad..the husband didn't call them and tell the family after it happened..
When my wife died I call her family that night...
Although I was devastated..I did it because they deserved it...So I don't know about the husband...

If he did it he seems to have convered his tracks well except for the glove...

:cursing:

[dkny]

CC reminds me of Mark Hacking JMO...

[LILMANMAX]

Well NG is not the only one who almost lost it over what the SC family member said. :ohmy:

FGS
The writing is on the wall - no pun meant.
How disrespectful can CC be?

All the perp forgot to leave was a signed confession. IMO

[sunstar]

Here is a link to some pictures. The mailbox is on the street, not the house. I know someone asked that earlier.

http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=746843&CategoryID=38578&ListSubAlbums=0

And here is the link to the basement window.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/murd625may9.jpg

Thanks so much, especially for the photo of the "basement" window which actually is on the same level as the back yard. It's interesting that the patio table is right by it and the perp is supposed to have entered the house this way. :sneaky:

[sunstar]

Sad the husband didn 't let the wife's family come and have the late wife's items from the home after the murder.Sad even more sad..the husband didn't call them and tell the family after it happened..
When my wife died I call her family that night...
Although I was devastated..I did it because they deserved it...So I don't know about the husband...

If he did it he seems to have convered his tracks well except for the glove...

:cursing:

If he did it, it really wouldn't take much to cover his tracks since he lives in the house and his prints/DNA would be all over it. And by strangling them, maybe there isn't even a weapon or a chance for them to fight back and leave defensive injuries on him or his DNA under her fingernails. I am curious though what forensics the DA is waiting for. I'm hoping it's something that definitely seals the killer's fate. MOO

[R~O~S]

Does CC's g/f have a hubby?


Divorced in 2004, IIRC.

Her ex refused comment in an article I read.

[bkwits]

I wonder why Sheri wasn't more concerned about the threats. After all, she and the children were alone all night? I wonder if there were floodlights set on motion detectors or timers around the perimeter of the house. I certainly would have them at the back of the house. Heck, I have them all around my house, and I haven't had any threats.

[sunstar]

I wonder why Sheri wasn't more concerned about the threats. After all, she and the children were alone all night? I wonder if there were floodlights set on motion detectors or timers around the perimeter of the house. I certainly would have them at the back of the house. Heck, I have them all around my house, and I haven't had any threats.

On Nancy's show, Tom Shamshak, ex-LE, said that CC is the only one who told LE about the threats to the family. I wonder if Sheri even knew or it was all just a big plan of his to cover the murders? :sad: MOO

[Musterion]

I wonder why Sheri wasn't more concerned about the threats. After all, she and the children were alone all night? I wonder if there were floodlights set on motion detectors or timers around the perimeter of the house. I certainly would have them at the back of the house. Heck, I have them all around my house, and I haven't had any threats.

Me too, bkwits. I am hyper security conscious. We live in a small, close knit, gated community and we still have our own security system. Never let the six year old out of our sight. Big dogs, etc. Maybe more aware because of all of the cases I've followed.

From the limited info we have maybe they had something that we aren't aware of. It doesn't sound like it and I'd be willing to say they didn't.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

On Nancy's show, Tom Shamshak, ex-LE, said that CC is the only one who told LE about the threats to the family. I wonder if Sheri even knew or it was all just a big plan of his to cover the murders? :sad: MOO

Oh, sunstar, I didn't catch him saying that. What if she didn't. :(

As I'm thinking now, though, I think there were reports that the neighbours were aware of threats. I'll have to find that and see who said it and post that.

Speaking of big plans. Watching as events unfold and the stressing of security guard for Joyce Meyer maybe, if CC did this, he was intent on suing JMM because he lost his family to the threats against him because of his association with Joyce.

She's a multi millionaire and would, more than likely, be able to settle out of court. CC, if he did it, and his new life would be paid for.

Just a random thought as I was thinking why CC would say, specifically, that the threats were about him being involved with the ministry.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

On Nancy's show, Tom Shamshak, ex-LE, said that CC is the only one who told LE about the threats to the family. I wonder if Sheri even knew or it was all just a big plan of his to cover the murders? :sad: MOO

Here it is. Maybe she did know, if the neighbours were talking about it. It doesn't guarantee she knew, but maybe more likely.

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/774105.html

"Neighbors have said the Colemans had received threats related to Chris Coleman's job, but police haven't discussed the details."

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

[quote=cali650;13116559] Well, I am mystified too about why this guy is still loose, but I'm thinking maybe they want a confession to see if anybody else is implicated as a helper before or after the fact.

Their is no way that anyone that would commit these horrendous crimes are going to confess.

I sense the same thing, Ice Cycle. I would like to believe and pray that if CC did this that he would have some semblance of conscience and confess. Not put his family and her family, their church family, everyone who knew and still loves Sheri and the boys, through a long, agonizing, detailed of their dying, trial.

At least, I'm praying that whoever did this will confess.

IMO.
M.

[kanzz]

Oh, sunstar, I didn't catch him saying that. What if she didn't. :(

As I'm thinking now, though, I think there were reports that the neighbours were aware of threats. I'll have to find that and see who said it and post that.

Speaking of big plans. Watching as events unfold and the stressing of security guard for Joyce Meyer maybe, if CC did this, he was intent on suing JMM because he lost his family to the threats against him because of his association with Joyce.

She's a multi millionaire and would, more than likely, be able to settle out of court. CC, if he did it, and his new life would be paid for.

Just a random thought as I was thinking why CC would say, specifically, that the threats were about him being involved with the ministry.

IMO.
M.

:thumbup:

I just wanted to bookmark this to accent your post. I believe you've nailed it.

[bkwits]

[QUOTE=Ice Cycle;13116659]

I sense the same thing, Ice Cycle. I would like to believe and pray that if CC did this that he would have some semblance of conscience and confess. Not put his family and her family, their church family, everyone who knew and still loves Sheri and the boys, through a long, agonizing, detailed of their dying, trial.

At least, I'm praying that whoever did this will confess.

IMO.
M.

If he did these murders himself, he would not need anyone to help him. After all, he did pn't cover himself that well.

IMO, he will not confess unless the evidence is overwhelmingly against him, and then it will be a plea bargain.

Any parent who could stangle his spouse and children and try to cover it up, has no conscience. If he did it, he is totally narcissistic. IMO

[Musterion]

:thumbup:

I just wanted to bookmark this to accent your post. I believe you've nailed it.

You were thinking the same thing!!! What a relief! I thought maybe I was too far 'out there'...

IMO.
M.

[Jester]

I was under the impression that the pic of the door and window w/the tape are those from the walk out basement in the back. And, that the window in the pick was the one unlocked. But, again, just my assumption, and I could be wrong.

That's what I meant, but maybe didn't express it very well. A walkout basement is like a main floor from the back of the house. Initially I thought it was a real basement window - a window that is close to the ground and a basement under the ground. That's a full sized regular window. I can't believe anyone in security would leave a window like that unlocked when people were sleeping or out.

[Musterion]

[QUOTE=Musterion;13120499]

If he did these murders himself, he would not need anyone to help him. After all, he did pn't cover himself that well.

IMO, he will not confess unless the evidence is overwhelmingly against him, and then it will be a plea bargain.

Any parent who could stangle his spouse and children and try to cover it up, has no conscience. If he did it, he is totally narcissistic. IMO

Agree, 100% bkwits. Anyone who could choke the life out of the persons they helped give life to, the persons that you diapered, held when they were sick, cheered and encouraged their first roll over, first steps, first words, first day of school would have to be a cold blooded narcissist.

God, how sad.

IMO.
M.

[Jester]

oh please don't get me wrong. I think he killed his wife and children. I'm just talking about the sliding glass doors and how they suck. and i seriously doubt he over looked anything. I think he's had this murder planned for years.


MOO

I completely agree. As someone that specializes in security, he did a really poor job of securing his home.

[Jester]

There are also security doors (screen with bars) with deadbolt locks that can be installed outside the sliding door (in place of the usual sliding screen door). :smile:

He should have been fired for incompetence. After receiving the threats (if there really were threats), he should have added security throughout the home.

[sunstar]

Oh, sunstar, I didn't catch him saying that. What if she didn't. :(

As I'm thinking now, though, I think there were reports that the neighbours were aware of threats. I'll have to find that and see who said it and post that.

Speaking of big plans. Watching as events unfold and the stressing of security guard for Joyce Meyer maybe, if CC did this, he was intent on suing JMM because he lost his family to the threats against him because of his association with Joyce.

She's a multi millionaire and would, more than likely, be able to settle out of court. CC, if he did it, and his new life would be paid for.

Just a random thought as I was thinking why CC would say, specifically, that the threats were about him being involved with the ministry.

IMO.
M.
I just rewatched that part and yes, he did tell neighbors but I'm not sure when he did ~ like before or after the murders? Also brought up tonight was if he'd said anything to JMM about it, like if any incident reports were filed? I guess we'll find a lot of this out later, but I do agree so much with something that was said to Sheri's cousin tonight ~ how ironic that someone whose job was in security that he left his own family so vulnerable *if* there were any real threats against them. :sad: MOO

[sunstar]

Here it is. Maybe she did know, if the neighbours were talking about it. It doesn't guarantee she knew, but maybe more likely.

http://www.bnd.com/372/story/774105.html

"Neighbors have said the Colemans had received threats related to Chris Coleman's job, but police haven't discussed the details."

IMO.
M.

Thanks for the link ~ I do stand corrected! I still wonder how much Sheri knew though, or maybe he'd just brushed it off as 'no big deal, I'll take care of it kind of thing' to her? I still can't get over the lack of security with that back yard window and sliding glass door. Or even worse, if the "threats" were so substantial, how could he even work at night and leave them home alone? I'd like to know if he ever called home while he was at work all night to check on them? :sneaky: MOO

[sunstar]

He should have been fired for incompetence. After receiving the threats (if there really were threats), he should have added security throughout the home.

And I've never heard anything mentioned about a security system like ADT or Brinks. Of course that wouldn't really matter if the killer lived inside the house. MOO

[doctor_J]

The threats were reported as plural and serious enough to involve police. It contrasts greatly with the lack of security at home and with his occupation. Since it has been emphasized that they were related to his job with JMM, by the neighbors anyway, I would assume the JMM would act on those reports and offer to pay for extra security. This case stinks about as badly as it gets. If he's not guilty, he's the unluckiest man on earth.

[sunstar]

The threats were reported as plural and serious enough to involve police. It contrasts greatly with the lack of security at home and with his occupation. Since it has been emphasized that they were related to his job with JMM, by the neighbors anyway, I would assume the JMM would act on those reports and offer to pay for extra security. This case stinks about as badly as it gets. If he's not guilty, he's the unluckiest man on earth.

I still can't wrap my mind around why he personally would be threatened through his work with JMM. Why not threaten JM directly or someone on a higher level? And it still hasn't been made clear what the threats were about ~ what was he supposed to do to stop them? I really would like to see what was written to him as these "threats". I agree though if he isn't guilty he sure is the unluckiest man on earth! MOO

[Musterion]

Thanks for the link ~ I do stand corrected! I still wonder how much Sheri knew though, or maybe he'd just brushed it off as 'no big deal, I'll take care of it kind of thing' to her? I still can't get over the lack of security with that back yard window and sliding glass door. Or even worse, if the "threats" were so substantial, how could he even work at night and leave them home alone? I'd like to know if he ever called home while he was at work all night to check on them? :sneaky: MOO

Oh no, sunstar, not to correct you at all. Just thinking alongside you is all. We are all here to put our heads and questions together!

Wasn't Sheri an MP? In the Navy? Maybe he did not tell her because maybe he knew that she would be all over added security if threats were being made.

And, what you have said about him working at night. I believe there were reports that he did overnight security for Joyce Meyer. If that is true, then, logically, he would have put above and beyond security on his house and his loved ones. Very good point.

IMO.
M.

[sunstar]

Oh no, sunstar, not to correct you at all. Just thinking alongside you is all. We are all here to put our heads and questions together!

Wasn't Sheri an MP? In the Navy? Maybe he did not tell her because maybe he knew that she would be all over added security if threats were being made.

And, what you have said about him working at night. I believe there were reports that he did overnight security for Joyce Meyer. If that is true, then, logically, he would have put above and beyond security on his house and his loved ones. Very good point.

IMO.
M.

Thanks :smile: and yes, the more of us thinking together does help fill in gaps and such. Sheri was in the Air Force and I agree, I don't think she would've felt very comfortable in the house with him working nights if she were aware how "serious" these "threats" could be. And back to him working nights, why would the perp choose such a narrow window of opportunity at sunrise to kill the family when the perp could've done it while CC was at work? I think that's one thing that makes it seem even more unreal that a stranger did it. MOO.

[sunstar]

The OP's link says she was Air Force MP. Looks to me like she would know something about self-protection even moreso than his rent-a-cop-job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the victim. It's that she was formerly trained by the United States Air Force in military police tactics and I've seen so many talk about his protecting her. Frankly I suspect he's the killer. And as spouses and children often do, they mistakenly thought him trustworthy not to murder them.

He was an ex-Marine so they'd be about equal in training for self-protection, but unequal in size when it might come down to her being strangled as she slept in bed. I don't think she had a clue who she was really married to. :sad: MOO

[cali650]

"Breaking News" on front page of St Louis Post-Dispatch says PD will have Press Conf this eve.

Buzz on the message board over there says Coleman has been arrested.
Unconfirmed.

[Musterion]

I'll preface what I'm going to say, by saying to my mind it's not looking good for this man with his girlfriend on the side and all. Reminds me of Scott Peterson.

That said, I had a stalker and life continues nonetheless. You can't stop living and put yourself and your family in Fort Knox. seriously.

If someone wants to kill you or your kids bad enough they'll do it. Consider Conner Peterson.

I even had law enforcement protecting myself and my family inside our home for days on end 24/7. Off and on for a period lasing about 12 years.

My stalker was a cop. Yes, one of those who spent the night in our home while my husband and myself and our children slept. After him repeatedly threatening to murder us all; the children first.

Anyone saying stalking victims leave themselves vulnerable is idle prattle from someone who's never been a stalking victim IMO.

Adlena, I don't know what to say except, I'm so sorry. And, you are right. If someone has their sights set on a victim, nothing stops them.

Especially if that person is in LE.

If I can ask, and you do not have to answer on the boards at all, but how and when did the stalking stop?

If CC is innocent and this person who was threatening the whole, beautiful family, got away with murdering them, you may have some pertinent viewpoints into who, how and why.

Again, I am astounded at what you and your family have been through. And so very sorry.

IMO.
M.

[cali650]

arrested and charged just now

[sunstar]

"Breaking News" on front page of St Louis Post-Dispatch says PD will have Press Conf this eve.

Buzz on the message board over there says Coleman has been arrested.
Unconfirmed.

A news conference this late at night? :scared: I was just about to go to bed!!

[Jester]

arrested and charged just now

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175779&catid=3

[cali650]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/235FBE2D9DC6DD31862575BC000D35C7?OpenDocument


held without bond

[sunstar]

arrested and charged just now

OMG! :scared:

[cali650]

A news conference this late at night? :scared: I was just about to go to bed!!

No rest for the wicked
;)

kidding
you are far far far from wicked.
BUT a murderer has been caught
so stay up a few more to be pleased
that justice is on the way

arrested at parents' home

[sunstar]

No rest for the wicked
;)

kidding
you are far far far from wicked.
BUT a murderer has been caught
so stay up a few more to be pleased
that justice is on the way

arrested at parents' home
Oh believe me, this is well worth staying up for!!! Thank God!!! :thumbsup:

[annalyzer]

"Breaking News" on front page of St Louis Post-Dispatch says PD will have Press Conf this eve.

Buzz on the message board over there says Coleman has been arrested.
Unconfirmed.

Thanks cali. Can you link me to the msg board please?

[cali650]

Thanks cali. Can you link me to the msg board please?

Just use the link above and scroll down and you'll either see or be able to click on comments.

I think they have a real insider or two on that board. Scooped media.

[Musterion]

Thanks cali. surprise surprise not.

Who would think that this man could be so careless, so.....stupid? So heartless.

God rest the souls of Sheri, trusting Sheri, trusting little boys, Gavin and Garret.
:rose::rose::rose:

IMO.
M.

[LILMANMAX]

Thank you LE for a job well done. TG CC was arrested before he took the coward's way out.

I was expecting nothing less, but it still saddens me. :sad:
You hate to believe a parent can murder their children.

Justice for Shari, Garett and Gavin :rose:

[Musterion]

To Jeff Connor with the Major Case Squad and the Squad, you are the best. Thank you for your time and your work.

To Sheri's brother, Mario, her mother, her cousins and family, loved ones and friends, we at IS are standing with you, grieving (although in no way compared to your grief) with you and praying with and for you. Your loss is great, your grief unknown.

I pray for a swift and absolute conviction of the person who took beautiful Sheri, beautiful Garret and Gavin from those who loved them.

IMO.
M.

[annalyzer]

Just use the link above and scroll down and you'll either see or be able to click on comments.

I think they have a real insider or two on that board. Scooped media.

Ok, yes, there is an insider or two there. Last week it was told they had found the glove, a week before media reported it. Also that a shoestring was used in the strangulations.

[sunstar]

Well, now I will rest a lot better knowing he's been arrested.

:rose: for Sheri, Garett and Gavin and may they rest in peace



:seeya: good night everybody!

[LILMANMAX]

To Jeff Connor with the Major Case Squad and the Squad, you are the best. Thank you for your time and your work.

To Sheri's brother, Mario, her mother, her cousins and family, loved ones and friends, we at IS are standing with you, grieving (although in no way compared to your grief) with you and praying with and for you. Your loss is great, your grief unknown.

I pray for a swift and absolute conviction of the person who took beautiful Sheri, beautiful Garret and Gavin from those who loved them.

IMO.
M.

So eloquently put M.

[Ice Cycle]

I just heard after watching this all day, about time.

[Ice Cycle]

Who would think that this man could be so careless, so.....stupid? So heartless.

God rest the souls of Sheri, trusting Sheri, trusting little boys, Gavin and Garret.
:rose::rose::rose:

IMO.
M.

Agree on all of the above, just unreal that he could do that to his own kids. Death P all the way.

[LILMANMAX]

Agree on all of the above, just unreal that he could do that to his own kids. Death P all the way.

I checked the DP website and Ill does have it from what it says.
This horrendous act certainly would warrant it IMO.

[bkwits]

An article in the Chicago Tribune



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ap-il-threedead-illinoi,0,245278.story

[bkwits]

:angry:

What a stinking coward. He used a ligature to strangle them. He did from behind so he didn't have to look into their eyes as they painfully died. I hope the boys, at least, didn't know it was their father killing them. :cursing:

[SwFlorida]

Praise God and all the LE. This case reminded me so much of the case where the man pulled the SUV over and shot his wife and children and wounded his self. Let them rot in heII. Its called divorce, coward didnt want to pay child payments..:cursing:

[bkwits]

I checked the DP website and Ill does have it from what it says.
This horrendous act certainly would warrant it IMO.

There is a moratorium on executions though. The present governor, Pat Quinn, is upholding the moratorium. We've had many freed from death row because DNA proved they were innocent of the crime. So he may get the DP, but who knows if the moratorium will end. But he would still have to sweat it. IMO

[cali650]

What gets me is this woman he was said to have been having the affair with in FL was a HS friend of Sheri's. How could she! and what interest would she have in a married man anyway. See what this sort of thing leads to, nothing but vile. Throughout human history some people never learn. So frustrating.

Maybe he lied and told her he was single, but his workmates would have known better. It would bode anyone well to to a background check thru a PI or whatever before becoming involved.


I have trouble believing Sheri and the stripper were friends. It doesn't add up. Here we have a wife steeped in all these church duties living a very upright way (from what we know) and she's friends with an exotic dancer. Absolutely does not compute. Perhaps they were acquainted in HS and the story spun from there. But seriously, when were they last in touch? I just do not see a busy Christian Midwest mom hanging tight with a single stripper in Fla. I doubt they were *friends*.

I think the untold story will turn out to be the involvement with and assistance from the Joyce Meyer bunch, who are controversial and listed among the cult-like groups.

At any rate, this so-called friendship seems to me to be an obvious stretch.

[LILMANMAX]

:angry:

What a stinking coward. He used a ligature to strangle them. He did from behind so he didn't have to look into their eyes as they painfully died. I hope the boys, at least, didn't know it was their father killing them. :cursing:


I am not trying to sound 'flippant' here, but what happened to the conventional 'DIVORCE'?

Back in my day, if one of the partners found a new love interest or whatever the parties would divorce.

These vicious cowardly murders are becoming an everyday news alert and I am just sick of it.
Its time to bring the hammer down on all these people.

[Nellie]

Oh my! Just checking in before heading to bed and see the news!
Nothing on tv yet!
That didn't take long!
Definately pre-meditated!
And stupid! Did he honestly think his plan was smart? It was so transparent! STupid and evil! And to think he was working for a ministry and his father is a pastor! Unbelievable!

[LILMANMAX]

There is a moratorium on executions though. The present governor, Pat Quinn, is upholding the moratorium. We've had many freed from death row because DNA proved they were innocent of the crime. So he may get the DP, but who knows if the moratorium will end. But he would still have to sweat it. IMO


TFS bkwits.
I thought I had heard there was a moratorium.
I'm not a DP advocate by nature but when the crime fits it and this one so does IMHO.

Put him in full population. Lets see how long he survives there. :cursing:

[Amy]

I have trouble believing Sheri and the stripper were friends. It doesn't add up. Here we have a wife steeped in all these church duties living a very upright way (from what we know) and she's friends with an exotic dancer. Absolutely does not compute. Perhaps they were acquainted in HS and the story spun from there. But seriously, when were they last in touch? I just do not see a busy Christian Midwest mom hanging tight with a single stripper in Fla. I doubt they were *friends*.

I think the untold story will turn out to be the involvement with and assistance from the Joyce Meyer bunch, who are controversial and listed among the cult-like groups.

At any rate, this so-called friendship seems to me to be an obvious stretch.

I agree. The only official report I had seen about the g/f is that she and Sheri went to the same high school---the g/f a year behind Sheri. They could very well have been friends, maybe good friends, maybe even best friends. But, that was in high school, and how long ago was that? My high school BFF--we see each other @ funerals, and send Christmas cards. Time does march on.

I haven't read anything about Sheri traveling to FL to see her, or vice versa--so unless we hear from someone official, I tend to believe the friendship was an old one. IMO

[oxfordfox]

FOX news is reporting on its online site that he has been arrested. Thank God, I can sleep now. As per the glove, LE had put out a request asking the public to look for evidence along a certain road, before the glove was reproted found. Do you think someone saw him toss something out of a car or that maybe LE found one glove and was looking for the other? This guy is below stupid. I don't think I've ever seen a crime this clumsy or more obviously set up. Unless you count that guy who wrote his holdup note on his own deposit slip and left it with the teller. If this crime wasn't so horrific, Chris would end up on that program world's stupidest criminals.

[doctor_J]

Video show him being arrested at his parent's home and he's wearing orange scrubs. Did he dress for the occasion? Go to bed anticipating his arrest? Or did they have him strip and dress at home to help prevent any suicide attempt? Strange, never have seen that.

Good job to the major case squad. Got a killer off the streets. The worst possible kind of killer. Hope he never sees daylight again.

[forensicfan]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

It's about time!

[forensicfan]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

Fox news is reporting the same. I hope he gets the DP too! Or at least put in with general population.

[dref99]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

It's about time!

Not unexpected by most - but how sad and inexplicable


jmo

[dref99]

What gets me is this woman he was said to have been having the affair with in FL was a HS friend of Sheri's. How could she! and what interest would she have in a married man anyway. See what this sort of thing leads to, nothing but vile. Throughout human history some people never learn. So frustrating.

Maybe he lied and told her he was single, but his workmates would have known better. It would bode anyone well to to a background check thru a PI or whatever before becoming involved.

There is quite a difference between having a relationship with someone and murdering your partner and children. Unless the person involved aided and abetted in the murder, there is no reason to speak of her in this way.

Sexual attraction can be responsible for alot of stupid behaviour, but usually doesn't lead to murder.

jmo

[n/t]

Wow. Although the arrest is not surprising, it still is shocking that he is the monster who did this to his beautiful family.

It will be a heartwrenching trial. :sad:

Justice for Sheri and her beautiful little boys Gavin and Garret. :rose:

[klock777]

The paint on the found glove is the same as the house was painted with. Gee, looks like the real killer (tsk) went to a lot of trouble to try to frame the poor dad/husband in this case.

http://www.topix.com/city/columbia-il/2009/05/some-evidence-identified-in-columbia-illinois-murder-case


I think you better read this again - it says :

paint that's the same color that was sprayed on the walls of the home where the three died.

I think it means the paint that was sprayed for the message - not the paint they painted the house with.

[aproudmom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

It's about time!

OMG thank you lord it is about time..

[Scampi]

Wow. Although the arrest is not surprising, it still is shocking that he is the monster who did this to his beautiful family.

It will be a heartwrenching trial. :sad:

Justice for Sheri and her beautiful little boys Gavin and Garret. :rose:

Morning n/t and everyone! Excellent news and very gratifying that they arrested this monster now and not six week from now. I was hoping for a marc hacking type resolution, but I guess that isn't to be. Now, lets see how his minister father reacts to his arrest?

It is appalling to learn that a ligature was used in these grisly murders. I will never understand how a father can murder their own innocent little boys, we are dealing with a true psychopath here, imo.

He's do in court today some time.

[aproudmom]

I applaud LE for not letting Nancy Grace or any other msm bully them into hasty investigation/arrest. Also need to commend LE on doing their job for justice NOT celebrity.

:thumbup:

what did NG do I must have missed it? I do thank her for covering these cases I know she gets out of control but she does at least carry them unlike to many others..I am so glad they made a arrest it sickens me to see it was him I think deep down I wanted to think no way would he do it..even thought I knew..and had confidence LE was still watching his every move..kudos to LE for making sure these angels get JUSTICE:thumbup:

[Scampi]

I agree. The only official report I had seen about the g/f is that she and Sheri went to the same high school---the g/f a year behind Sheri. They could very well have been friends, maybe good friends, maybe even best friends. But, that was in high school, and how long ago was that? My high school BFF--we see each other @ funerals, and send Christmas cards. Time does march on.

I haven't read anything about Sheri traveling to FL to see her, or vice versa--so unless we hear from someone official, I tend to believe the friendship was an old one. IMO

Hi Amy, I hope you see this response. Last night on NG she had a family member/spokesperson on who said that this friend of Sherri's was also a friend of the family and the family is absolutely devastated to learn of the betrayal by this woman and the affair. I will get that transcript if it's available and post it here.

[aproudmom]

Sure hope he is doing alot of praying about now
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#3_0

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#2_0
makes me sick to see his hands knowing he used them to take out his whole family:cursing:

[aproudmom]

Sure hope he is doing alot of praying about now
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#3_0

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#2_0
makes me sick to see his hands knowing he used them to take out his whole family:cursing:

[Scampi]

Here is Mr. Mirabelli's response about the girlfriend, from last night's NG Show:


GRACE: Are you surprised to find out about the hostess?

MIRABELLI: Well, surprised is one emotion. Betrayal is another emotion because my aunt and my cousin, they know this young lady. She went to high school with Sheri.

So it`s not some random girl he met off the Internet. This was a friend of the family, a friend of their daughter`s, their sister`s. So they felt betrayed, and they`re upset.

But they were stunned to read Nick`s story. Nick called me and gave me the heads up the story was coming out. I called my aunt. She was very, very surprised, because Sheri had never complained to her family members about this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/19/ng.01.html

[aproudmom]

Morning n/t and everyone! Excellent news and very gratifying that they arrested this monster now and not six week from now. I was hoping for a marc hacking type resolution, but I guess that isn't to be. Now, lets see how his minister father reacts to his arrest?

It is appalling to learn that a ligature was used in these grisly murders. I will never understand how a father can murder their own innocent little boys, we are dealing with a true psychopath here, imo.

He's do in court today some time.

great news....:thumbup: to LE

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

[Scampi]

Sure hope he is doing alot of praying about now
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#3_0

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7281,00.html#2_0
makes me sick to see his hands knowing he used them to take out his whole family:cursing:

Morning Mom and thank you for those photos. The second one shows just how evil this man is, made me shiver to look at the brute strength in his hands and arms. :mad:

[~jomomma~]

A news conference this late at night? :scared: I was just about to go to bed!!

dang!! i took a long walk after work yesterday and didn't take a nap so i went to bed just a little earlier last night and missed this!! good thing tho or i probly would've been up all night!

WOO HOOO!!! i'm SO happy to get here and read that he's been arrested!

now on to try and catch up!


:rose: God bless Sheri's family

[aproudmom]

The paint on the found glove is the same as the house was painted with. Gee, looks like the real killer (tsk) went to a lot of trouble to try to frame the poor dad/husband in this case.

http://www.topix.com/city/columbia-il/2009/05/some-evidence-identified-in-columbia-illinois-murder-case

Adalen do you mean the message or the house?

NewsChannel 5 has confirmed some of the evidence from the murder of a mom and her two sons in Columbia, Illinois earlier this month includes a glove with paint on it -- paint that's the same color that was sprayed on the walls of the home where the three died.

http://www.topix.com/city/columbia-il/2009/05/some-evidence-identified-in-columbia-illinois-murder-case

[darcie]

Finally!! Now if I could only wrapy my head around the fact that a father, a husband killed the three people he promised to love and protect.

This man had time to stop. Strangulation isn't instant. I have no words for him at this moment.

May justice prevail for Sheri, Garrett, and Gavin. Your story will be told!

Divorce...I'll never understand why that option is not used by these self centered men.

[aproudmom]

dang!! i took a long walk after work yesterday and didn't take a nap so i went to bed just a little earlier last night and missed this!! good thing tho or i probly would've been up all night!

WOO HOOO!!! i'm SO happy to get here and read that he's been arrested!

now on to try and catch up!


:rose: God bless Sheri's family


I am just hearing of this also I watched NG late so I am guessing they did not know at the time of taping her cousin was on there...

[n/t]

Morning n/t and everyone! Excellent news and very gratifying that they arrested this monster now and not six week from now. I was hoping for a marc hacking type resolution, but I guess that isn't to be. Now, lets see how his minister father reacts to his arrest?

It is appalling to learn that a ligature was used in these grisly murders. I will never understand how a father can murder their own innocent little boys, we are dealing with a true psychopath here, imo.

He's do in court today some time.

Morning Scampi,

I'll never ever understand it.

I'll have to quote Sharon Rocha "Divorce was always an option - not murder!"

He's the lowest of the lows along with Scott Peterson and the rest of the cowards who murder their wives and children.

[aproudmom]

Finally!! Now if I could only wrapy my head around the fact that a father, a husband killed the three people he promised to love and protect.

This man had time to stop. Strangulation isn't instant. I have no words for him at this moment.

May justice prevail for Sheri, Garrett, and Gavin. Your story will be told!

Divorce...I'll never understand why that option is not used by these self centered men.

ITA also wonder if they can prove there was no threats and this was premeditated seems kinda odd someone is threatening them and then they spray paint the wall and the mother and 2 children are killed but not him..I think he made it all up JMO of course

[aproudmom]

Morning Scampi,

I'll never ever understand it.

I'll have to quote Sharon Rocha "Divorce was always an option - not murder!"

He's the lowest of the lows along with Scott Peterson and the rest of the cowards who murder their wives and children.

Amen and I remember her words like it was yesterday..maybe him a Drew P can be roomies down the road

[aproudmom]

That glove and a DVD from a recorder were found by investigators as they searched along Interstate 255 near the Jefferson Barracks Bridge.:confused: DVD wonder what that is if it is even evidence in this case..if they had said A DVD player I would wonder if the cord was missing but not a DVD..

[Scampi]

Finally!! Now if I could only wrapy my head around the fact that a father, a husband killed the three people he promised to love and protect.

This man had time to stop. Strangulation isn't instant. I have no words for him at this moment.

May justice prevail for Sheri, Garrett, and Gavin. Your story will be told!

Divorce...I'll never understand why that option is not used by these self centered men.

Darcie, excellent point about the time it takes to strangle someone and in this case it's three people. (premeditation, imo.) I know there is a moratorium on the execution of inmates already on death row, but does anyone know if that includes requesting the DP on current crimes.

Because this case demands that the State's Attorney makes this a death penalty case, imo.

[aproudmom]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175779&provider=top

[Scampi]

Morning Scampi,

I'll never ever understand it.

I'll have to quote Sharon Rocha "Divorce was always an option - not murder!"

He's the lowest of the lows along with Scott Peterson and the rest of the cowards who murder their wives and children.

It seems these selfish, lustful men want to destroy their old lives and move on with the new. They do not want the "burden" of taking care of children they brought into this world or an exwife, so they obliterate them.

I am very curious how his daddy, the minister, is going to handle this arrest, mommy too.

I will implode if they attempt to trash Sherri Coleman. :cuss:

[kellabeck]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/235FBE2D9DC6DD31862575BC000D35C7?OpenDocument


held without bond

Hallelujah!!!!

[aproudmom]

Columbia father arrested, charged with murders of wife and sons

05:35 AM CDT on Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Watch news conference

View photos of Coleman being transferred

Video of Coleman being transferred

Cell phone video of Coleman's arrival

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov-stlouis-090519-coleman-evidence.1b3f736a.html

[kellabeck]

The paint on the found glove is the same as the house was painted with. Gee, looks like the real killer (tsk) went to a lot of trouble to try to frame the poor dad/husband in this case.

http://www.topix.com/city/columbia-il/2009/05/some-evidence-identified-in-columbia-illinois-murder-case

I smell a defense!! "I was framed by the real killer who planted the glove!!"

[kellabeck]

What gets me is this woman he was said to have been having the affair with in FL was a HS friend of Sheri's. How could she! and what interest would she have in a married man anyway. See what this sort of thing leads to, nothing but vile. Throughout human history some people never learn. So frustrating.

Maybe he lied and told her he was single, but his workmates would have known better. It would bode anyone well to to a background check thru a PI or whatever before becoming involved.

Wasn't the GF of Jason Young's a friend of his victim-wife Michelle's? How disgusting it all is.

[k_can004]

Wow I had a feeling he was responsible.... so sad

[aproudmom]

It seems these selfish, lustful men want to destroy their old lives and move on with the new. They do not want the "burden" of taking care of children they brought into this world or an exwife, so they obliterate them.

I am very curious how his daddy, the minister, is going to handle this arrest, mommy too.

I will implode if they attempt to trash Sherri Coleman. :cuss:

I will be right there with ya if they start trashing her...:cursing:
I know everyone has the right to a trial and he will get his I had no doubt it was him from the day I heard of this story..and yes we all know he is innocent until proven guilty...more than his sweet precious family got..why? is my question why not a divorce why take your children out also I will never understand and wont even try to...:angry:

[aproudmom]

Wasn't the GF of Jason Young's a friend of his victim-wife Michelle's? How disgusting it all is.

yeah went to school with her..pretty sick her cousin was on NG last night and he said as far as he knew Sheri did not know it was going on..but it was even harder for them knowing the person he had a affair with was someone they knew..pretty sick chick IMO

[aproudmom]

I smell a defense!! "I was framed by the real killer who planted the glove!!"

me and you both..

[aproudmom]

Wasn't the GF of Jason Young's a friend of his victim-wife Michelle's? How disgusting it all is.

have they released her name if not I am shocked since media knows where she is

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/848E00DB94E5E491862575B5001067C4?OpenDocument

The woman at issue attended high school in Largo, Fla., graduating in 1996, one year behind Sheri Weiss, a friend, who later married Coleman

The Florida woman's online profile on Classmates.com says she attended college in Tampa. Public records say she worked in a bar and as a hostess for a gentlemen's club in Tampa.

She and her husband divorced in December 2004. No one answered the door Tuesday at the condominium she bought with her ex-husband in 2006. He appears to have moved, and did not respond to messages left at what a friend said was his cell phone number.


Christopher Coleman, a former Marine MP is a security officer for the Joyce Meyer Ministries, a worldwide television evangelist organization based in Jefferson County. He had complained of what were characterized as work-related threats.


Sheri Coleman, a former Air Force MP who met her husband in the military, was a homemaker who was active in the Joyce Meyer operation.

[cg007]

Does anyone know how old CC is?

[~jomomma~]

I smell a defense!! "I was framed by the real killer who planted the glove!!"

not going to fly, imo

for him to not attend the visitation in Hillsdale is very telling. if he was a true grieving father/husband he'd have been there :glare:

to not alert Sheri's family for 48 hrs is very telling.

i'm so glad they have the coward behind bars.

[withay]

Does anyone know how old CC is?

I am pretty sure I read he was 32...a year older than his wife.

[Ninja108]

All due respect to Sharon Rocha and the rest of the posters here, divorce is NEVER an option to the many of the men (and on rarer occsions, women) we see commit these kinds of crimes. A sociopath simply views people as objects to give him/her recogniation, pleasure etc. One their lies become exposed or they view a person as no longer having any use, they simply dispose of them like the objects they view them as, regardless of how many people love them or care about them.
They also think everyone else is dumber than them and will believe anything they tell them. A woman in my area, Stacey Castor, poisoned two of her husbands then tried to kill and frame her own daughter for the crimes. Even as she rots in prison, she still blames her daughter and can't believe no one buys her version of events.
Coleman won't plead guilty because as a sociopath, he thinks that no matter what, he'll be able to come out on top at the end. Sadly, Sheri's and the two boys loved ones are going to have to sit through this POS's trial and even at the end, he'll show no emotion.
Man or Woman, sociopaths are evil scum of the earth. When Coleman finally dies, he can meet up with the rest of his kind, evil people that have no soul or emotion.

[aproudmom]

All due respect to Sharon Rocha and the rest of the posters here, divorce is NEVER an option to the many of the men (and on rarer occsions, women) we see commit these kinds of crimes. A sociopath simply views people as objects to give him/her recogniation, pleasure etc. One their lies become exposed or they view a person as no longer having any use, they simply dispose of them like the objects they view them as, regardless of how many people love them or care about them.
They also think everyone else is dumber than them and will believe anything they tell them. A woman in my area, Stacey Castor, poisoned two of her husbands then tried to kill and frame her own daughter for the crimes. Even as she rots in prison, she still blames her daughter and can't believe no one buys her version of events.
Coleman won't plead guilty because as a sociopath, he thinks that no matter what, he'll be able to come out on top at the end. Sadly, Sheri's and the two boys loved ones are going to have to sit through this POS's trial and even at the end, he'll show no emotion.
Man or Woman, sociopaths are evil scum of the earth. When Coleman finally dies, he can meet up with the rest of his kind, evil people that have no soul or emotion.

The real stupid thing is they should know by now they will not get away with it cause they are so stupid they get themselves caught from their actions or lack of them

[kellabeck]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175779&provider=top

Whoo hooo!!
I love a good perp walk!! Especially one so richly deserved and eagerly awaited!!

:tonguewag: Chris Coleman, you brute!!

[kellabeck]

Now that Coleman is arrested, it seems to me that this case should have its own forum. Coldwater?? Could you please make that happen? TIA!

[aproudmom]

I second that kell and know Scampi sent a message about it..hope it will get it's own forum..

[*Spike*]

i am so glad they arrested him. he will go down for this. JMO

[aproudmom]

Whoo hooo!!
I love a good perp walk!! Especially one so richly deserved and eagerly awaited!!

:tonguewag: Chris Coleman, you brute!!

lol I know I loved watching it also..

he sure better pray real hard..

Nana boo boo CC did u think you would not get caught:tonguewag:

[bkwits]

It seems these selfish, lustful men want to destroy their old lives and move on with the new. They do not want the "burden" of taking care of children they brought into this world or an exwife, so they obliterate them.

I am very curious how his daddy, the minister, is going to handle this arrest, mommy too.

I will implode if they attempt to trash Sherri Coleman. :cuss:


Good morning Scampi, ITA with you on these selfish narcissistic men and women who are willing to cruelly murder their own children because they want a different lifestyle (or something).

How could he do this? I can hardly get my mind around that.

I am sympathetic though towards his parents (until I see actions that cause me not to be). The horror of losing one's grandchildren is compounded 1000 fold by the realization that your own flesh and blood did this to them. They prob haven't reached the point yet of accepting their son did it.

From what I know at this point, his parents are victims in this tragedy as well as Sher, Gavin, Garrett, Sheri's family and all the others.

RIP Sheri, Gavin and Garrett :Rose:

[kellabeck]

Good morning Scampi, ITA with you on these selfish narcissistic men and women who are willing to cruelly murder their own children because they want a different lifestyle (or something).

How could he do this? I can hardly get my mind around that.

I am sympathetic though towards his parents (until I see actions that cause me not to be). The horror of losing one's grandchildren is compounded 1000 fold by the realization that your own flesh and blood did this to them. They prob haven't reached the point yet of accepting their son did it.

From what I know at this point, his parents are victims in this tragedy as well as Sher, Gavin, Garrett, Sheri's family and all the others.

RIP Sheri, Gavin and Garrett :Rose:

ITA! They are his victims as well and deserve sympathy, unless and until they try to obstruct justice and or trash Sheri.

[Scampi]

Good morning Scampi, ITA with you on these selfish narcissistic men and women who are willing to cruelly murder their own children because they want a different lifestyle (or something).

How could he do this? I can hardly get my mind around that.

I am sympathetic though towards his parents (until I see actions that cause me not to be). The horror of losing one's grandchildren is compounded 1000 fold by the realization that your own flesh and blood did this to them. They prob haven't reached the point yet of accepting their son did it.

From what I know at this point, his parents are victims in this tragedy as well as Sher, Gavin, Garrett, Sheri's family and all the others.

RIP Sheri, Gavin and Garrett :Rose:


Hi Bkwits!! I understand your point about his parents, I am just disappointed that they did not go the route of the Hacking family and have a come to Jesus meeting with their son, to turn himself in.

I am a firm believer in parents knowing their children and I believe they know their son's actions were not those of a loving husband.

It is going to be very interesting to watch these parents as they go thru this nightmare. What will we see? Another anthony debacle or something more on the order of telling the truth and taking responsibility?

[aproudmom]

Good morning Scampi, ITA with you on these selfish narcissistic men and women who are willing to cruelly murder their own children because they want a different lifestyle (or something).

How could he do this? I can hardly get my mind around that.

I am sympathetic though towards his parents (until I see actions that cause me not to be). The horror of losing one's grandchildren is compounded 1000 fold by the realization that your own flesh and blood did this to them. They prob haven't reached the point yet of accepting their son did it.

From what I know at this point, his parents are victims in this tragedy as well as Sher, Gavin, Garrett, Sheri's family and all the others.

RIP Sheri, Gavin and Garrett :Rose:


well sure hope they allow her family to have things of their daughter and grand kids since they will more than likely lock up that house..and why did they not call her family?? instead LE had to I just hope they thought he had called them..I am not bashing them but so far there has been things I have seen they could have done such as reach out to her family who he was avoiding..but that is just MO and his father being a pastor I guess they are not what they used to be such as in the case of Sandra Cantu that pastor never so much as went to pray with that family even before his GD was arrested...we shall see and just pray we don't have another SP family who did not allow her family to have anything until they finally broke in to get it..once again I am not bashing them just hope they reach out to her family they have all lost so much and need to stand together no matter what just for those 2 children

[msgatorslayer]

The real stupid thing is they should know by now they will not get away with it cause they are so stupid they get themselves caught from their actions or lack of them

:beer: Everyone of them THINK they'll be the one to get away with it. That their plan is better than others. However, they have the same motivating factors that everyone else has. It's near impossible to hide financial problems, affairs, fights, etc. Someone knows.

The GF stripper/hostess probably works at one of the many clubs along Dale Mabry. IMO

[kellabeck]

What perp commits a murder thinking he won't get away with it?? They all do and some actually escape detection.

[bkwits]

Darcie, excellent point about the time it takes to strangle someone and in this case it's three people. (premeditation, imo.) I know there is a moratorium on the execution of inmates already on death row, but does anyone know if that includes requesting the DP on current crimes.

Because this case demands that the State's Attorney makes this a death penalty case, imo.


As I understand it, there is nothing to prevent the state from asking for the death penalty. If Coleman is sentenced to death, he will be on death row, however, since 2000 no one has been executed. At that time Gov. Ryan cocmmuted the death sentences to LWOP. But now there are inmates awaiting the lifting of the moratorium (2 subsequent govs have kept it). There were just too many mistakes made in sentencing innocent people to death in IL. Presumably the moratorium will stay until IL justice system cleans up its act.

IMO

[amb40]

I cannot believe this jerk kills his precious sons and wife---what hapened to D-I-V-O-R-C-E??? instead murder your family?

What a moron he is...doing a wellness check on them that morning!? He looks like a psycho.....

I am glad they arrested him this am!!! or late last night?

I cannot believe the poor wife's family cannot get any of her belongings!! That family should all be put in jail!! His parents are like him!!twisted..................:glare:

[Scampi]

I am pretty sure I read he was 32...a year older than his wife.

It appears that the St. Louis Dispatch is going to be the paper of record in this case. Here is a column by Nicholas Pistor, the young reporter that NG has on her show commenting. Lots of good links at the paper, including a memory book and comment section.

I am keeping an eye out for any station that may stream coleman's appearance in court today.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/235FBE2D9DC6DD31862575BC000D35C7?OpenDocument

[amb40]

It appears that the St. Louis Dispatch is going to be the paper of record in this case. Here is a column by Nicholas Pistor, the young reporter that NG has on her show commenting. Lots of good links at the paper, including a memory book and comment section.

I am keeping an eye out for any station that may stream coleman's appearance in court today.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/235FBE2D9DC6DD31862575BC000D35C7?OpenDocument


thanks Scampi!!
I think I remember you from the NEil Entwistle case??!

[Scampi]

thanks Scampi!!
I think I remember you from the NEil Entwistle case??!

Hiya AMB, thanks for reminding me of another case where the parents stood by their monster of a son.

Headline News (cnn) just reported that coleman's attorney stated that he will put in a plea of "not guilty" at today's hearing.

[bkwits]

Hi Bkwits!! I understand your point about his parents, I am just disappointed that they did not go the route of the Hacking family and have a come to Jesus meeting with their son, to turn himself in.

I am a firm believer in parents knowing their children and I believe they know their son's actions were not those of a loving husband.

It is going to be very interesting to watch these parents as they go thru this nightmare. What will we see? Another anthony debacle or something more on the order of telling the truth and taking responsibility?

As I have said previously, I have two grown sons. They each have two children. I cannot conceive of the horrow I would feel is my grandchildren were harmed (as well as their mother) and my son was blamed for it. I don't know how any parent could forsee that their son is capable of such a thing.

I could not accept that one of my sons was so cold-blooded to have planned and carried this out. Now if he had a pyschotic break and was out of his mind, it would be immediately known that he did it. He wouldn't be able to cover it up. If I came to realization that one of my son's had done this, in the coldest of cold blood, I think I would take my own life. I could not live with that. I could not. So I ask you all to have a little sympathy for the Coleman parents, unless we find out they are monsters.

PS. My sons are both loving an devoted fathers and husbands (married to the childrens' mothers).

IMO

[trigger]

great news....:thumbup: to LE

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

Wow he was arrested??? Just got home!!! Gotta catchup now.

[kellabeck]

Hiya AMB, thanks for reminding me of another case where the parents stood by their monster of a son.

Headline News (cnn) just reported that coleman's attorney stated that he will put in a plea of "not guilty" at today's hearing.

Mornin', Scamp! I think you may be with me on understanding parents' desire to stand behind an accused child.

My problems with it start with the parents' bad behavior (i.e. obstructing justice, lying, destroying evidence, trashing the victims, stealing/coveting the victims' jewelry and ironing boards, blaming the victim.)

If they quietly support their child, even in the face of incriminating evidence, I am sympathetic. Once they go over the line? No!

[Tracian]

I guess that loud mouth on NG the other night is eating a big helping of crow for breakfast..

[KittyMom]

I hope that the new evidence that led to Daddy Dearest's arrest is hot and damning. This doesn't need to be yet another case that drags into years.

Learn something you creeps...get a divorce or grow up. Murder is the coward's way out. :mad:

[amb40]

Mornin', Scamp! I think you may be with me on understanding parents' desire to stand behind an accused child.

My problems with it start with the parents' bad behavior (i.e. obstructing justice, lying, destroying evidence, trashing the victims, stealing/coveting the victims' jewelry and ironing boards, blaming the victim.)

If they quietly support their child, even in the face of incriminating evidence, I am sympathetic. Once they go over the line? No!

ITA!! It does start with the parents..I heard on NG that the family of Chris Coleman *his parents* also didn't want to give anything to Sheri's family!:thumbdown:...Sad all around. I cant believe how heinous of an act he carried out when he could have gotten a simple divorce. Obviously he was very irrational and his actions proved otherwise. What a monster he is....Everytime I look at the kids pic I well up!

Originally Posted by Scampi
Hiya AMB, thanks for reminding me of another case where the parents stood by their monster of a son.

Headline News (cnn) just reported that coleman's attorney stated that he will put in a plea of "not guilty" at today's hearing.
Exactly..I wonder if they are still by his side though?? Hope Bubba gets him in jail too!

[FallenAngel♥]

great news....:thumbup: to LE

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520737,00.html

Great news. TY for the link. I'm watching it now on FOX news.

I knew he was guilty......... I wonder if he'll do the right thing and plead guilty.

[KittyMom]

What kind of minister wouldn't reach out to the parents of his murdered d-i-l to offer comfort and support? No true minister of God that I know. It may be that Chris' father has done just that. But we've certainly not seen it.

[CC I See]

I cannot believe this jerk kills his precious sons and wife---what hapened to D-I-V-O-R-C-E??? instead murder your family?

What a moron he is...doing a wellness check on them that morning!? He looks like a psycho.....

I am glad they arrested him this am!!! or late last night?

I cannot believe the poor wife's family cannot get any of her belongings!! That family should all be put in jail!! His parents are like him!!twisted..................:glare:

Looks like the motive might be that he wanted the whole pie instead of splitting it through a divorce. He also might have been looking at the Life Insurance angle in that if he could make it look like it was a stranger who killed the family, he could collect on it. Even more PIE for him. Never underestimate the lure of having a nice check to start over in a new life. I think the girlfriend should be investigated as well to see if she was part of the planning in this.

[KittyMom]

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-foxfiles-coleman-spraypaint-052009,0,3706950.story

Fox Files: Triple Murder Investigators Checking Spray Paint Sales


Investigators visited the Wal Mart on Telegraph Road where employees say Detectives took red spray paint samples and requested surveillance video.

A Hardware store in Columbia also reports Police asking questions about spray paint sales as well as sales of rubber gloves.

[CC I See]

What kind of minister wouldn't reach out to the parents of his murdered d-i-l to offer comfort and support? No true minister of God that I know. It may be that Chris' father has done just that. But we've certainly not seen it.

I believe that it was also stated on Nancy Grace that they had not.

[amb40]

Looks like the motive might be that he wanted the whole pie instead of splitting it through a divorce. He also might have been looking at the Life Insurance angle in that if he could make it look like it was a stranger who killed the family, he could collect on it. Even more PIE for him. Never underestimate the lure of having a nice check to start over in a new life. I think the girlfriend should be investigated as well to see if she was part of the planning in this.


Very true!!! Life Insurance is a biggie! Is there a pic of the girlfriend anywhere??? She could have been an accomplice to all of this!we will see!!!

Kitty----interesting about the spray paint. Do these morons not think the police will catch on to them??? Ugh.....

[Tracian]

What kind of minister wouldn't reach out to the parents of his murdered d-i-l to offer comfort and support? No true minister of God that I know. It may be that Chris' father has done just that. But we've certainly not seen it.


Just wait and see how ugly this case gets; like in Enwhistle, I just bet Coleman's family is going to try to twist this to blame the DIL.

I saw the family on NG last night, and they way the Colemans have behaved is just horrible; they cleaned out the house, and never offered any personal items to her family...NOTHING!!!

Reminds me of Jackie Peterson as well...

[amb40]

Just wait and see how ugly this case gets; like in Enwhistle, I just bet Coleman's family is going to try to twist this to blame the DIL.

I saw the family on NG last night, and they way the Colemans have behaved is just horrible; they cleaned out the house, and never offered any personal items to her family...NOTHING!!!

Reminds me of Jackie Peterson as well...

Tracian!! YES!! I thought I was hearing things lol but yes the whole family didn't offer her family anything. Sickening. That is their daughter who died. Creepy...Sounds like the family is just like him....

[Marcia3]

Just wait and see how ugly this case gets; like in Enwhistle, I just bet Coleman's family is going to try to twist this to blame the DIL.

I saw the family on NG last night, and they way the Colemans have behaved is just horrible; they cleaned out the house, and never offered any personal items to her family...NOTHING!!!

Reminds me of Jackie Peterson as well...

I am glad that CC has been arrested, I see where he is expected to enter a NG plea...no surprise there.

Seriously, the people who think they can get away with murder! He even went to WalMart and tested spray paint, asked questions, bought the gloves. Not only is he a murderer, IMO, he is also not too bright, again IMO.

Every time I see the name Enthwistle, it makes me sick to my stomach. I sincerely hope that this case doesn't mirror that one.

[Marcia3]

Looks like the motive might be that he wanted the whole pie instead of splitting it through a divorce. He also might have been looking at the Life Insurance angle in that if he could make it look like it was a stranger who killed the family, he could collect on it. Even more PIE for him. Never underestimate the lure of having a nice check to start over in a new life. I think the girlfriend should be investigated as well to see if she was part of the planning in this.

ITA on the pie theory. But to kill your wife and children, it goes beyond my ability to comprehend.

The GF might wind up as a cooperating witness, IMO.

[Tracian]

Tracian!! YES!! I thought I was hearing things lol but yes the whole family didn't offer her family anything. Sickening. That is their daughter who died. Creepy...Sounds like the family is just like him....


Here is the part..brought tears to my eyes:


MIRABELLI: (INAUDIBLE) Nancy.

GRACE: And these boys were strangled in their sleep, in their little beds, while Mommy`s lying down the hall. I just am having a hard time with the grief that your family must be suffering. But that`s not all. There`s insult to injury. Was the home cleared out of Sheri`s belongings by the husband`s family?

MIRABELLI: Well, that`s what we heard and that`s what we saw on the news, but we certainly didn`t hear it from Chris Coleman. And that`s problematic and disrespectful because it took two days after the murders for Chris to finally call my aunt. And at that time, he never offered condolences. He simply talked to my cousin Mario and said, We`re going to have a service, you can all come down if you want -- I mean, if you want. Of course we want to attend the service.

But then after the house was released, we saw on the news that he was there with his family and they were taking clothes and articles and things out of the house. But I can tell you, no one called my aunt. No one called my family and said, You know, we have Sheri`s military uniform, we have her medals, we have some trophies for Garett and Gavin. Is there anything, Angela (ph), that you would like to have...

GRACE: Oh!

MIRABELLI: ... on behalf of your grandchildren and your mother? Not a single phone call from the Coleman family, except when we called them. And I know my cousin, the minute we found out about the murders, he called for two straight days to get a response from Chris, and it took two days to get a call back. We felt very disrespected, and the whole episode of having to hire lawyers, including myself, to go down to St. Louis and bring the bodies back to Chicago. It shouldn`t have to be like that

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/19/ng.01.html


That whole Coleman family is cold, IMO.

[KittyMom]

Just wait and see how ugly this case gets; like in Enwhistle, I just bet Coleman's family is going to try to twist this to blame the DIL.

I saw the family on NG last night, and they way the Colemans have behaved is just horrible; they cleaned out the house, and never offered any personal items to her family...NOTHING!!!

Reminds me of Jackie Peterson as well...

That is so wrong. Sheri's family deserves to have something to remember their loved ones by...a teddy or favorite pillow of the boys or a blouse with Sheri's scent on it. :crying:

[Tracian]

I am glad that CC has been arrested, I see where he is expected to enter a NG plea...no surprise there.

Seriously, the people who think they can get away with murder! He even went to WalMart and tested spray paint, asked questions, bought the gloves. Not only is he a murderer, IMO, he is also not too bright, again IMO.

Every time I see the name Enthwistle, it makes me sick to my stomach. I sincerely hope that this case doesn't mirror that one.


ITA, what an evil moron.

I do have a question though, if anyone knows....

How long has this affair been going on? And, when did these death threats start?

IMO, LE may have to look at the mistress as a possible 'letter writer' in regards to the threats...seems like this horrible crime has been in the works for a while.

[*Spike*]

Mornin', Scamp! I think you may be with me on understanding parents' desire to stand behind an accused child.

My problems with it start with the parents' bad behavior (i.e. obstructing justice, lying, destroying evidence, trashing the victims, stealing/coveting the victims' jewelry and ironing boards, blaming the victim.)

If they quietly support their child, even in the face of incriminating evidence, I am sympathetic. Once they go over the line? No!

i agree with ya.

[kellabeck]

ITA, what an evil moron.

I do have a question though, if anyone knows....

How long has this affair been going on? And, when did these death threats start?

IMO, LE may have to look at the mistress as a possible 'letter writer' in regards to the threats...seems like this horrible crime has been in the works for a while.

I'm willing to give the GF the benefit of the doubt, that she was not party to the threats and the murders. If she cooperates with the prosecution and gives up info, I'll say she's innocent of being party to a crime. Not innocent of knowingly getting involved with her schoolmate's husband, but that's not a crime, as defense THs are fond of reminding us. Caddish but not criminal.

[darcie]

It seems these selfish, lustful men want to destroy their old lives and move on with the new. They do not want the "burden" of taking care of children they brought into this world or an exwife, so they obliterate them.

I am very curious how his daddy, the minister, is going to handle this arrest, mommy too.
I will implode if they attempt to trash Sherri Coleman. :cuss:

Bolded by me!

That in itself will be interesting. I don't want to start a religious fight, not my intentions at all, but his parents actions/reactions will definitely be watched by many, especially those in their congregation. heir behaviour/response will defintely show if they are TRUE Christians, or stand up in front of the crowd Christians.

Just my thoughts.

Again, nothing harsh meant by it. I just mean if they trash the victims, they will need to take a hard look at themselves. There is nothing that Sheri, Gavin, and or Garrett could have done to this man that deserves death. NOTHING.

MOO

[Scampi]

Very true!!! Life Insurance is a biggie! Is there a pic of the girlfriend anywhere??? She could have been an accomplice to all of this!we will see!!!

Kitty----interesting about the spray paint. Do these morons not think the police will catch on to them??? Ugh.....

Yes, there is one floating around somewhere. IMO, she looks like a slightly heavier Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

[kellabeck]

SNIP
There is nothing that Sheri, Gavin, and or Garrett could have done to this man that deserves death. NOTHING.


You mean loving and trusting hubby-daddy isn't worthy of being strangled with a ligature while sleeping in bed??

[Tracian]

I'm willing to give the GF the benefit of the doubt, that she was not party to the threats and the murders. If she cooperates with the prosecution and gives up info, I'll say she's innocent of being party to a crime. Not innocent of knowingly getting involved with her schoolmate's husband, but that's not a crime, as defense THs are fond of reminding us. Caddish but not criminal.


I want to give her the benefit; but I have a hard time because of what Sheri's cousin said last night on NG, and also that LE was following some lead in Florida.

[Scampi]

What kind of minister wouldn't reach out to the parents of his murdered d-i-l to offer comfort and support? No true minister of God that I know. It may be that Chris' father has done just that. But we've certainly not seen it.

A very good point, also a disturbing one.

[amb40]

Here is the part..brought tears to my eyes:


MIRABELLI: (INAUDIBLE) Nancy.

GRACE: And these boys were strangled in their sleep, in their little beds, while Mommy`s lying down the hall. I just am having a hard time with the grief that your family must be suffering. But that`s not all. There`s insult to injury. Was the home cleared out of Sheri`s belongings by the husband`s family?

MIRABELLI: Well, that`s what we heard and that`s what we saw on the news, but we certainly didn`t hear it from Chris Coleman. And that`s problematic and disrespectful because it took two days after the murders for Chris to finally call my aunt. And at that time, he never offered condolences. He simply talked to my cousin Mario and said, We`re going to have a service, you can all come down if you want -- I mean, if you want. Of course we want to attend the service.

But then after the house was released, we saw on the news that he was there with his family and they were taking clothes and articles and things out of the house. But I can tell you, no one called my aunt. No one called my family and said, You know, we have Sheri`s military uniform, we have her medals, we have some trophies for Garett and Gavin. Is there anything, Angela (ph), that you would like to have...

GRACE: Oh!

MIRABELLI: ... on behalf of your grandchildren and your mother? Not a single phone call from the Coleman family, except when we called them. And I know my cousin, the minute we found out about the murders, he called for two straight days to get a response from Chris, and it took two days to get a call back. We felt very disrespected, and the whole episode of having to hire lawyers, including myself, to go down to St. Louis and bring the bodies back to Chicago. It shouldn`t have to be like that

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/19/ng.01.html


That whole Coleman family is cold, IMO.
Sickening! Sheri's family should get everything of hers...that is terrible the whole family has issues!! Maybe they can get a court order to get her stuff? or would it have to go to civil court??SO sad...

[amb40]

Yes, there is one floating around somewhere. IMO, she looks like a slightly heavier Julia Louis-Dreyfus.



Interesting Scamp!! thanks!! I am sure a pic of her will crop up soon!!
I hope she didnt write the threatening letters......

[KittyMom]

I think Chris is in for a rude awakening. Things in jail won't be a cake walk. Those inmates will fill his head with all sorts of tales of what he can look forward to in prison. And prison will be hell on earth for this guy. He's in shape, young, clean...he'll have a line of husbands waiting to give him nightmares each night. I have no sympathy for him. :sneaky:

[CC I See]

I want to give her the benefit; but I have a hard time because of what Sheri's cousin said last night on NG, and also that LE was following some lead in Florida.

Maybe the alleged girlfriend gave him an ultimatum, saying it was either her or his family and he made his choice.

[bkwits]

I'm willing to give the GF the benefit of the doubt, that she was not party to the threats and the murders. If she cooperates with the prosecution and gives up info, I'll say she's innocent of being party to a crime. Not innocent of knowingly getting involved with her schoolmate's husband, but that's not a crime, as defense THs are fond of reminding us. Caddish but not criminal.



ITA, we know little about the girlfriend. If she was a friend of the family, as they say, she is repugnant and a betrayer of trust. However, there is nothing to indicate, so far, that she had anything directly to do with this horrible act.

Let's remember to lay the blame where it belongs .... IMO, right squarely on Chris Coleman, a brutish monster. IMO

Assuming the GF knew nothing about this, she is probably going through hell herself, if she has any morals.

IMO

[KittyMom]

Interesting Scamp!! thanks!! I am sure a pic of her will crop up soon!!
I hope she didnt write the threatening letters......

Her name is Tara Lintz and earlier in the thread someone had posted a link to her mom's facebook page. There were photos of her there. Let's just say, she looked like a hostess.

[Kip]

What kind of minister wouldn't reach out to the parents of his murdered d-i-l to offer comfort and support? No true minister of God that I know. It may be that Chris' father has done just that. But we've certainly not seen it.

And from what Mirabella said on Nancy Grace last night, that's apparently the case. I totally agree with you. It's appalling enough that one set of in-laws wouldn't call the other to offer their condolences, but for a minister not to reach out -- something is seriously wrong there.

[CC I See]

Her name is Tara Lintz and earlier in the thread someone had posted a link to her mom's facebook page. There were photos of her there. Let's just say, she looked like a hostess.

Facebook has been set to private... check here

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Tara%20Lintz%20%20photo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

[kellabeck]

Maybe the alleged girlfriend gave him an ultimatum, saying it was either her or his family and he made his choice.

If that's the case, it wouldn't have been the first time. Brings to mind the convicted Robert Marshall who arranged for the murder of his wife so that he wouldn't be bothered with a messy divorce and pesky child custody issues, and he could reap the benefit of the large insurance payouts to wipe out his gambling debts AND be free to pursue his affair with his GF who had become impatient with his foot-dragging.

Also brings to mind Rabbi Newlander, also coincidentally another NJite, who also arranged for others to murder his wife so he would be free to pursue his affair with his GF who had given him an ultimatum.

[Peaches]

Yes, I am so hoping for all families involved that the husband had nothing to do with this.

I wonder if it could have been some religious extremist or anti-religious extremist, since it said the threats were about his job and maybe he had someone removed or they weren't allowed to come to the Ministry for some reason.

imo


Just so sad .............. why would this man not call the family of his wife when she was murdered?

Beyond cruel!

[CC I See]

Just so sad .............. why would this man not call the family of his wife when she was murdered?

Beyond cruel!

Yes...................it was..................so sad........:closedeyes:

[amb40]

Facebook has been set to private... check here

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Tara%20Lintz%20%20photo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi



THANKS Kitty and Ci! Yep, looks like a homewrecker! I bet she did give him an ultimatum!!

They were on Fox before announcing they were running late in the court with his case.........should be interesting...

[kellabeck]

Yes, it will be. It does seem like LE knew about the threats made to the family before this happened. Maybe that will give them some leads.

Here is the DOJ stats on homicides.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/relationship.htm

Spouses and family members made up about 15% of all victims.


About one-third of the victims were acquaintances of the assailant.


The victim/offender relationship was undetermined in over one-third of homicides.

Victim/Offender Relationship, 1976-2005

All homicides,
1976-2005

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 100.0% 594,276

Stranger 13.9% 82,428
Nonstranger
Spouse 7.0% 41,700
Other family 8.0% 47,358
Boyfriend/Girlfriend 3.8% 22,829
Other Acquaintance 32.1% 190,767
Relationship undetermined 35.2% 209,194

imo

In many cases, the threats are part of the staging of the murders and are not genuine threats.

Question about your stats-- in all 594,276 murders was a perp ID'd? Or did the 35.2% include unsolved murders? It doesn't make sense to me otherwise... How could all those murders be solved and yet it be "undetermined" how the perp is related to the victim??

[Marcia3]

And from what Mirabella said on Nancy Grace last night, that's apparently the case. I totally agree with you. It's appalling enough that one set of in-laws wouldn't call the other to offer their condolences, but for a minister not to reach out -- something is seriously wrong there.

Is it possible that CC advised his father not to reach out to Sherri's family? Apparently, he's not adverse to lying, so maybe he said there was an estrangement, or cooked up a story of anomosity coming from her side of the family and that Mr. C would be unwelcome even by phone.

Just can't understand why no reaching out was done, FGS, this didn't just involve Sherri, but the grandsons!

[Amy]

Hi Bkwits!! I understand your point about his parents, I am just disappointed that they did not go the route of the Hacking family and have a come to Jesus meeting with their son, to turn himself in.

I am a firm believer in parents knowing their children and I believe they know their son's actions were not those of a loving husband.

It is going to be very interesting to watch these parents as they go thru this nightmare. What will we see? Another anthony debacle or something more on the order of telling the truth and taking responsibility?

It's been pretty quiet from the Coleman household (as it should be, heaven only knows we don't need more Anthony's or Petersons in this world) so, we really have no idea what counseling his father (and mother and other family) have given him. It could very well be they did try (if they think he is the perp) but that he did not follow their advice?

[FallenAngel♥]

I can't believe he's not pleading Guilty...


I just can't figure out why he would do this to his beautiful family :(

[kellabeck]

I can't believe he's not pleading Guilty...
I just can't figure out why he would do this to his beautiful family :(

Of course he's pleading not quilty! He hasn't given up on the idea of getting away with this.

And you don't understand why he would do this? How about because he's a narcissistic, selfish sociopath who saw them as an impediment to his heart's desires?

[kellabeck]

Yay!! A separate forum! Thanks, Coldwater!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13121916#post13121916

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