Tuesday May 5

[madameX]

Good morning everyone. Let's all take one second and pray for some news about little Haleigh today, can we?

[?noanswer]

Can't find any current news on Haleigh this AM. Looks like the 3 musketeers have become quite. They seemed to be the last people that were covering the going ons in the Satsuma Area. Not sure if any of what they were covering was contributing to solving the Haleigh mystery. Hopefully something will happen soon and the families can have closure, one way or the other. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning to anyone reading today. After reading Cat3's posts, I can only say how much I agree with the logical, well reasoned thoughts expressed, and the idea of women not leaving children behind if they themselves are living through domestic violence. Having volunteered at a local shelter spending countless hours offering support to victims who went on to become SURVIVORS, and standing beside a friend who fought all the odds to keep her children, attending all of her court appearances, and watching her struggles over the years, I have never seen a woman just give up on the children. JMO based on what I have seen.

Then again, I have never seen a woman make such a turn around concerning the treatment of the children and herself while at the same time claiming the father of her children loves them dearly, claiming the child is his heart and that he is a good father who wouldn't hurt his child. :confused:

While I would call this HIGH LEVEL DYSFUNCTION, it would appear the children didn't place high on the priority list with the two people who brought them into this world. ALL JMO and very sad.

:wub:Praying for a MIRACLE AND THE RETURN OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS!

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. I would like to thank Seeker for this intelligent post regarding Crystal:

seeker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bookie
I disagree. I think the fact that she couldn't be bothered to take Haleigh to a dozen appts did play a role in why she lost custody. I doubt the judge just shrugged that information off.

She wasn't pregnant with Junior for a year and that excuse doesn't cut it anyway. She chose to get pregnant. Those kids didn't ask to be born. She had a responsibility to those children and she failed in that responsibility.

Crystal failed in her responsibility to her children? That isn't even fact-based. To decide that a young mother "couldn't be bothered" rather than look deep into the underlying cause, looks like a sign of not bothering to explore a person's motivation and life situation.

Two people made their two children and both people had the responsibility to take care of them. Would you have your mate drive your babies around without a license and not feeling well, or would you look into what might be the underlying cause of his or her lack of energy and motivation? There are clues pointing to a seizure disorder, depression, exhaustion in Crystal. I admire her show of good character in telling the truth despite the way it would sounded.

She is only 23 now: look at the woman she is becoming,
under the unimaginable horror and stress of having her daughter gone, an emerging of serious health issues, and the fear for her little boy.

Where is the compassion? The empathy?

These are my thoughts and opinions

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The continued bashing of Crystal is deplorable imo, because as far as I am concerned she had absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh "disappearing" from the trailer of ronald cummings. IMO, the focus of the continuing investigation is now focused on misty and ronald's inconsistent timeline.

[CANDYKISSES]

The world we live in can be a sad place sometimes, CK. I am trying to look on the positive side, and hope that the investigations that have been a result of little Haleigh's disappearance have brought some things to light to the powers that be in Satsuma, and that the children that are still there and still have a chance will have a better life than they would have if none of this had happened. I shudder to think what might be going on down there with these people if LE wasn't in their faces now all the time, what the kids might be going through.

You are not standing alone there MadameX. If anything positive will come out of all the laundering of dirt everywhere, I pray it is a better world for the children in the PALATKA area and elsewhere. :wub:

Sadly, all too often when the spotlight is removed it's back to more of the same. But certainly there is always room for HOPE IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

SNIPPED

The continued bashing of Crystal is deplorable imo, because as far as I am concerned she had absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh "disappearing" from the trailer of ronald cummings. IMO, the focus of the continuing investigation is now focused on misty and ronald's inconsistent timeline.

Unfortunately Crystal is a part of the reason the children were living the way they were/are given she made a choice to bring them into the world right along with their father Ronald Cummings. She had a hand in those children calling the "trailer of Ronald Cummings" their HOME. There is no escaping that and given the decisions she made, she shares responsibility for them too.

Suddenly it has become open season for Teresa Neves, but again we are supposed to baby poor Crystal. I feel sorry for all these people who don't seem to know the value of children and a loving family, and are finding out the hard way how brutal and unfair life can be when you are not the media's darling due to your LIFESTYLE IMOO.

I can even feel sorry for those people who believe a father who has provided for his children (sans whether you like how he has done so or not) could or should LIFT A SUPPORT ORDER for CHILDREN CREATED BY BOTH PARENTS and that will make him more of a man. :confused: WTH, I find that really deplorable myself.

I wonder what would make Crystal more of a woman, but I am afraid to ask and simply would not, but can see that gender bias is prevalent in the minds of some.....:rolleyes: ALL JMO.

[?noanswer]

Unfortunately Crystal is a part of the reason the children were living the way they were/are given she made a choice to bring them into the world right along with their father Ronald Cummings. She had a hand in those children calling the "trailer of Ronald Cummings" their HOME. There is no escaping that and given the decisions she made, she shares responsibility for them too.

Suddenly it has become open season for Teresa Neves, but again we are supposed to baby poor Crystal. I feel sorry for all these people who don't seem to know the value of children and a loving family, and are finding out the hard way how brutal and unfair life can be when you are not the media's darling due to your LIFESTYLE IMOO.

I can even feel sorry for those people who believe a father who has provided for his children (sans whether you like how he has done so or not) could or should LIFT A SUPPORT ORDER for CHILDREN CREATED BY BOTH PARENTS and that will make him more of a man. :confused: WTH, I find that really deplorable myself.

I wonder what would make Crystal more of a woman, but I am afraid to ask and simply would not, but can see that gender bias is prevalent in the minds of some.....:rolleyes: ALL JMO.

Never having been a victim of abuse, I cannot speak from experience on that matter. I wonder if all the CS supporter have been there, done that.

As it is said, it takes two to tango; therefore both CS & Ron should be responsible for the well being of these children. I don't think either the maternal or paternal side of the familes are without fault. These has really been a rude awakening to me that there are families that have been going down this road for generations. It is so sad that there are so many young girls and guys that are throwing their life away. What makes them so unhappy that they do this. This is a huge problem that reaches far beyond one small child that has vanished. I just hope by some miracle everyone can turn their life around.

I still have not come to a conclusion as to what I think happened to Haleigh. I just hope the mystery is solved. JMO

[dustyk]

Unfortunately Crystal is a part of the reason the children were living the way they were/are given she made a choice to bring them into the world right along with their father Ronald Cummings. She had a hand in those children calling the "trailer of Ronald Cummings" their HOME. There is no escaping that and given the decisions she made, she shares responsibility for them too.

Suddenly it has become open season for Teresa Neves, but again we are supposed to baby poor Crystal. I feel sorry for all these people who don't seem to know the value of children and a loving family, and are finding out the hard way how brutal and unfair life can be when you are not the media's darling due to your LIFESTYLE IMOO.

I can even feel sorry for those people who believe a father who has provided for his children (sans whether you like how he has done so or not) could or should LIFT A SUPPORT ORDER for CHILDREN CREATED BY BOTH PARENTS and that will make him more of a man. :confused: WTH, I find that really deplorable myself.

I wonder what would make Crystal more of a woman, but I am afraid to ask and simply would not, but can see that gender bias is prevalent in the minds of some.....:rolleyes: ALL JMO.
YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO

[Hannah21]

If it is gender bias, then wouldn't those who support Crystal also be supporting Teresa and Misty?

Just take it from the day Haleigh went missing, Candy, nothing before that, wipe that slate clean, who is the person who has handled herself with dignity, and who is the person who has acted like a jerk in so very many ways? The answers are 1. Crystal, and 2. Ron. Crystal uprooted herself from her home to come to the area where her daughter went missing from, has put off much needed follow up medical treatment, has opened the center. Ron...do I really need to review Ron's actions for you? The tattoo, the marriage to the teenage babysitter (which IMO only happened because they mistakenly thought they would not have to testify against each other when that day comes), the trip to be on national tv, his actions of arrogance in at least one restaurant, his failure to stay in touch with his job and request a leave of absence...do I need to go on?

Gender bias has nothing to do with it, if the man wasn't a total jerk before Haleigh went missing, he sure became one after she went missing. But maybe that's just his way of grieving, ya think? This is all MOO and I'm stickin to it.

He was born a jerk that just grew bigger.

MOO

[Peaches]

Good morning everyone. Let's all take one second and pray for some news about little Haleigh today, can we?



MadameX, This is a wonderful idea. I would love to join your praying for Haleigh.............and for all those who love her.

[sickntired]

YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO

:beer: Thanks for reminding us of the facts....Cheers!

[Hannah21]

YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO

Great post. ITA

bolding... Ronald failed to protect his children. The beginning of Haleigh's case started when Ronald left his children with a teenager he knew just came off a 3 day bender of sex, drugs and only they know what else and less than 24 hours later one of the children is missing. Who is to blame for that. Ronald is.
The truth is missing as well. Misty nor Ronald have told the truth. They are lying to protect themselves. They marry to seal the deal. They go into hiding and are doing nothing whatsoever to continue the search for Haleigh.

MOO

Ronald's behavior since February 10th is questionable.

[dustyk]

my bold

I will be convinced of that when I see phone records and/or she and Chad are cleared. jmo
Why do you need to see them...who are you and how are you connected that you should see proof. LE has them I am sure and being they are not in jail must be satisfied with them JMO

[sickntired]

While I try to remain positive about Haleigh being found alive...I can't help but think back to the infamous Haleigh tattoo and the customized lettering on Ron's truck. I think early on this was an indication that RC knew that Haleigh was not coming back. And I believe that TN was so upset because she also knew the truth. She was truly crushed.

:rose: For Haleigh :rose:


JMO/WWKLS

[Peaches]

Never having been a victim of abuse, I cannot speak from experience on that matter. I wonder if all the CS supporter have been there, done that.

As it is said, it takes two to tango; therefore both CS & Ron should be responsible for the well being of these children. I don't think either the maternal or paternal side of the familes are without fault. These has really been a rude awakening to me that there are families that have been going down this road for generations. It is so sad that there are so many young girls and guys that are throwing their life away. What makes them so unhappy that they do this. This is a huge problem that reaches far beyond one small child that has vanished. I just hope by some miracle everyone can turn their life around.

I still have not come to a conclusion as to what I think happened to Haleigh. I just hope the mystery is solved. JMO


I totally agree with you that BOTH Ron and Crystal are responsible for their children. It seems to me that Crystal was happy allowing Ron to take care of them and her being the "Disney Mom".............you know, the one who comes every other week and does fun stuff...........not the one who takes care of your everyday needs.

If Crystal had wanted to be a part of her children's life, she would have stayed in the area so that she could be near them. To share their everyday life.

The courts gave her every opportunity to provide proof that she would be the better parent..............gave her an additional 10 days to do so................but, there again, she chose not to.

In my lifetime, I have seen many mothers like this...........they think of "ME" first and their children are way down the line. They tell their children that they knew their father loved them and would care for them. This gives them the excuse for making the decisions they did.MOO

Ron is in no ways perfect but he did take care of his children and I feel certain that he is wishing he had made different choices at time .............but, don't we all?

This is all just my very own opinion!

[Hannah21]

my bold

I will be convinced of that when I see phone records and/or she and Chad are cleared. jmo

They don't have to convince you. LE is the authority and they are obviously satisfied. If there were any evidence that placed Crystal or Chad in the area there would have been an arrest within the first few days.
The focus is on Ronald and Misty. They know that even if you do not.

MO

[Peaches]

ITA, CK.

Sad to say, the vicious cycles are so difficult to escape - be it poverty, violence, teenage moms, drugs, all of it. It takes more strength and support than most people have or are given.


Lizziegirl..............it is always good to see those who work their way out of this .................. many can if they will just hang in and get an education.............stay off drugs and unprotected sex...............

This is just my very own opinion!

[bookie]

YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO



We don't know what happened to Haleigh or who is responsible. You can robo-chant that she wasn't responsible all you want but the fact remains that the police haven't cleared her. The police didn't take Ron to an abandoned house in the woods, they took Crystal. And despite the repeated false claims that Ron is a focus facts dispute that. Misti has been the focus and as pointed out by the article posted last night they aren't calling her a suspect either.

[Peaches]

YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO



I for one am happy to see that women are being asked to support their children if they choose to go off and leave them with their fathers. This is the right thing to do.

At this point in time, I feel certain that Ron wished he had made different choices ............... but it is too late for that. My opinion is that we all wish at one time or another that we had made a different choice than the one we made.

This as usual is just my own opinion!

[bookie]

Why do you need to see them...who are you and how are you connected that you should see proof. LE has them I am sure and being they are not in jail must be satisfied with them JMO



Not necessarily. Cell phone pings wouldn't prove she took Haleigh. Ron and Misti aren't in jail despite the claims that the 911 call, the door being propped open and the behavior of both is evidence they were involved.

[Hannah21]

We don't know what happened to Haleigh or who is responsible. You can robo-chant that she wasn't responsible all you want but the fact remains that the police haven't cleared her. The police didn't take Ron to an abandoned house in the woods, they took Crystal. And despite the repeated false claims that Ron is a focus facts dispute that. Misti has been the focus and as pointed out by the article posted last night they aren't calling her a suspect either.

Maybe she took the police to check that house. Did you ever think of that bookie. That abandon house could have been one of RC's hang outs as a teen and she wanted it searched.

Nothing was found there.

MO

[Peaches]

We don't know what happened to Haleigh or who is responsible. You can robo-chant that she wasn't responsible all you want but the fact remains that the police haven't cleared her. The police didn't take Ron to an abandoned house in the woods, they took Crystal. And despite the repeated false claims that Ron is a focus facts dispute that. Misti has been the focus and as pointed out by the article posted last night they aren't calling her a suspect either.


bookie, I always smile when I see you are online because I know that you will keep us all focused on the "facts"..............

Thank you so much for reporting facts.............not rumors that we read all the time. jmo

[bookie]

Maybe she took the police to check that house. Did you ever think of that bookie. That abandon house could have been one of RC's hang outs as a teen and she wanted it searched.

Nothing was found there.

MO


The police don't take people with them when they are investigating crimes so nope.....not buying that.

[Peaches]

Not necessarily. Cell phone pings wouldn't prove she took Haleigh. Ron and Misti aren't in jail despite the claims that the 911 call, the door being propped open and the behavior of both is evidence they were involved.


I do not believe for one minute that Ron would hurt his child.............and I do not think that Misty did either.

If there was any evidence that Misty did anything, she would have been charged by now................so, she is innocent.............isn't that the way it goes in the USA..........innocent until proven guilty!

JMO

[Hannah21]

The police don't take people with them when they are investigating crimes so nope.....not buying that.

You are missing the point. You don't know that they took her there. I think she asked the police to go with her to search that old abandon house. Just like TN asked Cobra to go with her to search the woods where that small trailer was.

MO

[bookie]

bookie, I always smile when I see you are online because I know that you will keep us all focused on the "facts"..............

Thank you so much for reporting facts.............not rumors that we read all the time. jmo

I live in a small town and know how gossip works. I see/hear it every day at work. I've also seen the effects gossip has had on people's lives.

There are very few facts in this case but some choose to overlook any that point away from Ron. I think those facts need to be repeated often so that anyone new reading this thread has actual facts to base their opinions on and not rumors.

[dustyk]

I for one am happy to see that women are being asked to support their children if they choose to go off and leave them with their fathers. This is the right thing to do.

At this point in time, I feel certain that Ron wished he had made different choices ............... but it is too late for that. My opinion is that we all wish at one time or another that we had made a different choice than the one we made.

This as usual is just my own opinion!You know she didn't go off and leave her children, but if that is what you want to keep bringing that up then fine, I for one and others know better. JMO

[Peaches]

I do apologize, I was under the apparantly mistaken impression this was a place where opinions could be expressed.


Lizziegirl................we are ALL waiting on the evidence that will be presented..............if/when the times comes.

Hopefully, it will be sooner rather than later.

Prayers for Haleigh and all those who love her!

[bookie]

You are missing the point. You don't know that they took her there. I think she asked the police to go with her to search that old abandon house. Just like TN asked Cobra to go with her to search the woods where that small trailer was.

MO


No I didn't miss the point. I know the police don't take civilians/victims with them when they investigate crimes. If she'd wanted that house searched they wouldn't have taken her with them to do it. It's opinion only that that's why they took her to that house, not fact.


Cobra isn't LE. His going with someone to search doesn't compare. Apples/oranges.

[Peaches]

I live in a small town and know how gossip works. I see/hear it every day at work. I've also seen the effects gossip has had on people's lives.

There are very few facts in this case but some choose to overlook any that point away from Ron. I think those facts need to be repeated often so that anyone new reading this thread has actual facts to base their opinions on and not rumors.


You are so right! That is why when I saw all that mess about Misty's 3 day week-end, I thought this was uncalled for ---------- the world did not need to know this unless ! A girl's life has been ruined by all this gossip.............

Many young girls make mistakes but they are not blasted everywhere..........so if they want to change their lives they have the opportunity. All these published reports leave little room for Misty to have a fresh start and live a better life............she, Ron and Ron, Jr. + a baby / maybe.

Maybe something will happen and LE will be able to get a break in this case. Prayers for Haleigh!

[bookie]

I do not believe for one minute that Ron would hurt his child.............and I do not think that Misty did either.

If there was any evidence that Misty did anything, she would have been charged by now................so, she is innocent.............isn't that the way it goes in the USA..........innocent until proven guilty!

JMO



Not since 24 hour news channels popped up. Now you have to prove your innocence.

[dustyk]

No I didn't miss the point. I know the police don't take civilians/victims with them when they investigate crimes. If she'd wanted that house searched they wouldn't have taken her with them to do it. It's opinion only that that's why they took her to that house, not fact.


Cobra isn't LE. His going with someone to search doesn't compare. Apples/oranges.
Now how would you know what Police do on each and every case in each and every county....evidently they didn't find anything so what does it matter? JMO

[Peaches]

You know she didn't go off and leave her children, but if that is what you want to keep bringing that up then fine, I for one and others know better. JMO


She made the choice in court..............not to bring evidence so that she could have her children. She left them with Ron.

That was her decision. Nothing more/nothing less. It is all in court papers that we have all read.

And BTW...............this is what I know.

jmo

[dustyk]

You are so right! That is why when I saw all that mess about Misty's 3 day week-end, I thought this was uncalled for ---------- the world did not need to know this unless ! A girl's life has been ruined by all this gossip.............

Many young girls make mistakes but they are not blasted everywhere..........so if they want to change their lives they have the opportunity. All these published reports leave little room for Misty to have a fresh start and live a better life............she, Ron and Ron, Jr. + a baby / maybe.

Maybe something will happen and LE will be able to get a break in this case. Prayers for Haleigh!
Funny how you feel for Misty and that the world didn't need to know all about her mess, But Crystal that's another story...you don't seem to mind bringing up time and time again that she left her children behind to have another child, when most know better.IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

If it is gender bias, then wouldn't those who support Crystal also be supporting Teresa and Misty?

Just take it from the day Haleigh went missing, Candy, nothing before that, wipe that slate clean, who is the person who has handled herself with dignity, and who is the person who has acted like a jerk in so very many ways? The answers are 1. Crystal, and 2. Ron. Crystal uprooted herself from her home to come to the area where her daughter went missing from, has put off much needed follow up medical treatment, has opened the center. Ron...do I really need to review Ron's actions for you? The tattoo, the marriage to the teenage babysitter (which IMO only happened because they mistakenly thought they would not have to testify against each other when that day comes), the trip to be on national tv, his actions of arrogance in at least one restaurant, his failure to stay in touch with his job and request a leave of absence...do I need to go on?

Gender bias has nothing to do with it, if the man wasn't a total jerk before Haleigh went missing, he sure became one after she went missing. But maybe that's just his way of grieving, ya think? This is all MOO and I'm stickin to it.

I have a differing opinion based on reading, viewing video, viewing show appearances and viewing footage of these people in action as they make blunder after blunder. :sad: My opinion is evolving all the time as new information comes out, I don't find myself stuck to anything until Haleigh comes home and more information is made available concerning the circumstances of her disappearance.

The gender bias was set forth from the moment the media started asking why the mother lived so far away and had little visitation. See the GVS shows and NG. That is my opinion and given what we know about how things came to be from the court transcripts, the general undertone by many is taking Crystal under their wing because she fits the obsolete belief system of a helpless young woman, but we are living in a different world and some of the stats bullyjo put up verify that.

Women are making choices BECAUSE THEY WANT TO from what I see every day. Women are choosing to drink and engage in drug use BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO and not because a man forced them to do so as suggested by Kim. Women are having sex and producing children with different fathers because they CHOOSE TO from what I see. Someone needs to tell KIM about the PRE-HALEIGH party lifestyle pics and postings back and forth between friends. Crystal didn't HAVE TO ENGAGE IN SUCH because RON or CHAD MADE HER DO SO IMO.

IF Crystal could pipe up about having to quit cocaine because of her pregnancy, she was not fearing Ron IMO. At that point, she was angry she had to quit because of a pregnancy from what I heard in the tone of her voice. See her GERALDO appearance discussing it or read the court transcripts to find inconsistencies in that tale.

Take a gander at the anger when she was DEFENDING HERSELF about the local LE looking for her.

Putting her son on TV to announce he had seen the kidnapper was putting him at risk and showed extremely poor judgment IMO.

Going on to have another child and not wrapping things up with her first two children first showed poor judgment IMO.

Neither of the biological parents of Haleigh and Junior put them first and I find no dignity, class, or decency in that. I find that very sad Madame.

Where is dignity here? Clearly I missed that chapter of this sad saga. It's all very disturbing to see such dysfunction and inconsistent stories between Ron, Misty, Crystal and Chad.

Regarding the marriage, I have felt since day ONE that the only reason Ron married Misty was because of the uprising about her living with him, period. Right, wrong or indifferent in the judgment phase I STILL BELIEVE HE WAS WARNED TO as the attention was moving in on that relationship. Misty's parents had the first responsibility for that and they signed for it (AGAIN, CYA putting your child second) to avoid the kind of negligence charges that could have come from opening an investigation via DCF complaints.

ALL JMO. :sad:

:w00t:IMO PUTTING JUNIOR ON CABLE TV to tell the world he saw the kidnapper trumps all because that actually could damage his safety and could be the reason for the alleged AXE with Crystal at the HBC IMOO.

[Texas48]

Maybe she took the police to check that house. Did you ever think of that bookie. That abandon house could have been one of RC's hang outs as a teen and she wanted it searched.

Nothing was found there.

MOhow in the world *do you* KNOW that nothing was found there? Hannah..with all due respect to you as a fellow poster..how can you even post that statement? even with a *MO* at the end? Is it just something for you to say/post? None of us know if anything of importance was found there..not unless you have a special contact w/LE or maybe you are an LEO...or..maybe you have had the *in* into LE reports...Oh my goodness..

[Peaches]

Funny how you feel for Misty and that the world didn't need to know all about her mess, But Crystal that's another story...you don't seem to mind bringing up time and time again that she left her children behind to have another child, when most know better.IMO


This is how I feel. When you have children, you must care for them. That is the top and bottom line for me. Male or female.........makes no difference to me.

[Peaches]

I have a differing opinion based on reading, viewing video, viewing show appearances and viewing footage of these people in action as they make blunder after blunder. :sad: My opinion is evolving all the time as new information comes out, I don't find myself stuck to anything until Haleigh comes home and more information is made available concerning the circumstances of her disappearance.

The gender bias was set forth from the moment the media started asking why the mother lived so far away and had little visitation. See the GVS shows and NG. That is my opinion and given what we know about how things came to be from the court transcripts, the general undertone by many is taking Crystal under their wing because she fits the obsolete belief system of a helpless young woman, but we are living in a different world and some of the stats bullyjo put up verify that.

Women are making choices BECAUSE THEY WANT TO from what I see every day. Women are choosing to drink and engage in drug use BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO and not because a man forced them to do so as suggested by Kim. Women are having sex and producing children with different fathers because they CHOOSE TO from what I see. Someone needs to tell KIM about the PRE-HALEIGH party lifestyle pics and postings back and forth between friends. Crystal didn't HAVE TO ENGAGE IN SUCH because RON or CHAD MADE HER DO SO IMO.

IF Crystal could pipe up about having to quit cocaine because of her pregnancy, she was not fearing Ron IMO. At that point, she was angry she had to quit because of a pregnancy from what I heard in the tone of her voice. See her GERALDO appearance discussing it or read the court transcripts to find inconsistencies in that tale.

Take a gander at the anger when she was DEFENDING HERSELF about the local LE looking for her.

Putting her son on TV to announce he had seen the kidnapper was putting him at risk and showed extremely poor judgment IMO.

Going on to have another child and not wrapping things up with her first two children first showed poor judgment IMO.

Neither of the biological parents of Haleigh and Junior put them first and I find no dignity, class, or decency in that. I find that very sad Madame.

Where is dignity here? Clearly I missed that chapter of this sad saga. It's all very disturbing to see such dysfunction and inconsistent stories between Ron, Misty, Crystal and Chad.

Regarding the marriage, I have felt since day ONE that the only reason Ron married Misty was because of the uprising about her living with him, period. Right, wrong or indifferent in the judgment phase I STILL BELIEVE HE WAS WARNED TO as the attention was moving in on that relationship. Misty's parents had the first responsibility for that and they signed for it (AGAIN, CYA putting your child second) to avoid the kind of negligence charges that could have come from opening an investigation via DCF complaints.

ALL JMO. :sad:

:w00t:IMO PUTTING JUNIOR ON CABLE TV to tell the world he saw the kidnapper trumps all because that actually could damage his safety and could be the reason for the alleged AXE with Crystal at the HBC IMOO.


POST OF THE YEAR! BRAVO!
Thank you CK's for posting facts.............not rumors!

[dustyk]

She made the choice in court..............not to bring evidence so that she could have her children. She left them with Ron.

That was her decision. Nothing more/nothing less. It is all in court papers that we have all read.

And BTW...............this is what I know.

jmo
O.K. I'll buy that she lost custody and spent time with them when the court allowed. There are other parents who have the exact same arrangement, doesn't mean anything. The fact remains that they were left in the care of a sixteen year old who was sleeping with their Father...That is what I know!

[Hannah21]

No I didn't miss the point. I know the police don't take civilians/victims with them when they investigate crimes. If she'd wanted that house searched they wouldn't have taken her with them to do it. It's opinion only that that's why they took her to that house, not fact.


Cobra isn't LE. His going with someone to search doesn't compare. Apples/oranges.

That is grasping at straws at best. The abandon house is not a crime scene and the search of it was fruitless. LE obviously never thought it was.
The police will accompany people to locations.

[Peaches]

O.K. I'll buy that she lost custody and spent time with them when the court allowed. There are other parents who have the exact same arrangement, doesn't mean anything. The fact remains that they were left in the care of a sixteen year old who was sleeping with their Father...That is what I know!



Isn't Misty 17? Many 17 year old people/both male and female/ are babysitters.

This entire situation is very sad. I think that both Haleigh and Ron, Jr. deserve more than either parent gave them.

Crystal could have seen her children more and been in their lives if she had not move so far away. This is just moo but I do think that this makes a world of difference for these precious babies!

jmoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Never having been a victim of abuse, I cannot speak from experience on that matter. I wonder if all the CS supporter have been there, done that.

As it is said, it takes two to tango; therefore both CS & Ron should be responsible for the well being of these children. I don't think either the maternal or paternal side of the familes are without fault. These has really been a rude awakening to me that there are families that have been going down this road for generations. It is so sad that there are so many young girls and guys that are throwing their life away. What makes them so unhappy that they do this. This is a huge problem that reaches far beyond one small child that has vanished. I just hope by some miracle everyone can turn their life around.

I still have not come to a conclusion as to what I think happened to Haleigh. I just hope the mystery is solved. JMO

I have seen some horrible stories concerning abuse, and I've seen some very disturbing inappropriate behavior between men and women that I link to drug and alcohol abuse hands down. To blame a man when both are players is no longer acceptable. IF women are to be treated as equals, why should we have lower standards set forth for them?

This is by no means a pass for any man to abuse the mother of his children, but there are women engaging in the same behavior these days and you can't just presume it's all the man's fault anymore IMO.

It sickens me to no end to see and hear the characters of this case all the way around. JMO and I am still hoping for Haleigh to be found. :wub:

[bookie]

Now how would you know what Police do on each and every case in each and every county....evidently they didn't find anything so what does it matter? JMO

If you want to believe the police would take the mother of a missing child with them to search an abandoned house then so be it. I've never seen police, in any case I've followed or been involved in IRL, take anyone with them to investigate a crime.

[dustyk]

Isn't Misty 17? Many 17 year old people/both male and female/ are babysitters.

This entire situation is very sad. I think that both Haleigh and Ron, Jr. deserve more than either parent gave them.

Crystal could have seen her children more and been in their lives if she had not move so far away. This is just moo but I do think that this makes a world of difference for these precious babies!

jmoo
she was 16 when it happened and as much as you followed this case you know that. Crystal does not have to answer to you or Spud or anyone else. IMO

[dustyk]

If you want to believe the police would take the mother of a missing child with them to search an abandoned house then so be it. I've never seen police, in any case I've followed or been involved in IRL, take anyone with them to investigate a crime.
Well why else would they have taken her? Any ideas? IMO

[Hannah21]

how in the world *do you* KNOW that nothing was found there? Hannah..with all due respect to you as a fellow poster..how can you even post that statement? even with a *MO* at the end? Is it just something for you to say/post? None of us know if anything of importance was found there..not unless you have a special contact w/LE or maybe you are an LEO...or..maybe you have had the *in* into LE reports...Oh my goodness..

The only crime scene confirmed is the home of Ronald Cummings. The abandon house was barely mentioned and mostly by posters on the internet. The search of it did not turn up any evidence so apparently it was a search to help a grieving mother's concern and eliminate that one area.

If you have information regarding evidence found there please post it. Otherwise there was none found.

[bookie]

That is grasping at straws at best. The abandon house is not a crime scene and the search of it was fruitless. LE obviously never thought it was.
The police will accompany people to locations.



Did the police know it wasn't a crime scene before they went there and that a search was going to be fruitless? No they didn't. They don't work that way either. How do you know what they thought? No matter, it's obvious you are going to continue to spout things you have no answers for as if you do.

[Hannah21]

Well why else would they have taken her? Any ideas? IMO

I think it was one of RC hang outs. Teenagers use abandon houses in small towns to party in. Crystal would know that information about him. It was never yellow taped off or declared a crime scene. Nothing was found there in connection to the case.

[Motomom]

She made the choice in court..............not to bring evidence so that she could have her children. She left them with Ron.

That was her decision. Nothing more/nothing less. It is all in court papers that we have all read.

And BTW...............this is what I know.

jmo


You are right peaches from what I have read as well. And by the looks of it, she never went back to attempt to get custody afterwards did she? Why not? Calling dyfs does not count IMO. I know someone fighting for their granddaughter, they go to court every few months to try to gain full custody or more visitation. All one has to do is show the initiative sometimes IMO.. I think Crystal was perfectly fine with Ron having and caring for their children. For whatever reason. If she wasn't fine, she had time to do something about about. IMO she was content with the way things were going and it is what it is. Nothing wrong with her decision to allow him to raise the children IMO. She may have thought it was for the best at the time, and so be it. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

[bookie]

she was 16 when it happened and as much as you followed this case you know that. Crystal does not have to answer to you or Spud or anyone else. IMO


Misti turned 17 in December. She was 17 when Haleigh disappeared. She was 17 when she allegedly went on her weekend spree.

[Peaches]

she was 16 when it happened and as much as you followed this case you know that. Crystal does not have to answer to you or Spud or anyone else. IMO



MOO is that someday, I hope soon, she will have to answer to Haleigh and of course I know that she will answer to God. jmo

[bookie]

i seriously doubt CS called the police and wanted them to investigate that abandoned house because police were at the house first and then went to CS's camp and talked to her and put her in the cop car and took her over there and didn't they stay about an hour?


MOO


Yes it was around an hour IIRC. The speculation was that they had found something and wanted Crystal to identify it.

[seeker]

I for one am happy to see that women are being asked to support their children if they choose to go off and leave them with their fathers. This is the right thing to do.

At this point in time, I feel certain that Ron wished he had made different choices ............... but it is too late for that. My opinion is that we all wish at one time or another that we had made a different choice than the one we made.

This as usual is just my own opinion!


Peaches, from your above post:"...if they choose to go off and leave them with their fathers."

<my underlining>

IF being the operative word. In Crystal's case, just by reading the court documents, let alone all the other information we have, this is not true for her.

In our praying , maybe we all should pray for the wisdom to walk in another soul's shoes. I speak first of myself. How about we play nice and be fair?

my thoughts and opinions about this.

[Motomom]

Funny how you feel for Misty and that the world didn't need to know all about her mess, But Crystal that's another story...you don't seem to mind bringing up time and time again that she left her children behind to have another child, when most know better.IMO

I'm not peaches and I don't feel much for Misty. I'm not sure about the 3 day binge because I'm not sure if it was verified by LE. I thought it may have been but I'm not sure. I think Misty may be involved. I don't think Crystal was involved. I don't think Ron was involved. She did indeed leave her children in the care of Ron, did not fight tooth and nail to get them back, went on and had another baby. Those are facts aren't they? Putting our own spin on things doesn't make it so. Just look at the facts.

[Peaches]

You are right peaches from what I have read as well. And by the looks of it, she never went back to attempt to get custody afterwards did she? Why not? Calling dyfs does not count IMO. I know someone fighting for their granddaughter, they go to court every few months to try to gain full custody or more visitation. All one has to do is show the initiative sometimes IMO.. I think Crystal was perfectly fine with Ron having and caring for their children. For whatever reason. If she wasn't fine, she had time to do something about about. IMO she was content with the way things were going and it is what it is. Nothing wrong with her decision to allow him to raise the children IMO. She may have thought it was for the best at the time, and so be it. Nothing wrong with that IMO.



Thank you for this post. I certainly agree with all you have said.

[dustyk]

Misti turned 17 in December. She was 17 when Haleigh disappeared. She was 17 when she allegedly went on her weekend spree.
Didn't know she turned 17 in December I thought I read she was 16 at the time. But being she and RC have been together for 6 to 7 months before this happened he was with her when she was sixteen. Still against the law. IMO

[seeker]

The police don't take people with them when they are investigating crimes so nope.....not buying that.

Yes they do.

my thoughts on this

[bookie]

You are right peaches from what I have read as well. And by the looks of it, she never went back to attempt to get custody afterwards did she? Why not? Calling dyfs does not count IMO. I know someone fighting for their granddaughter, they go to court every few months to try to gain full custody or more visitation. All one has to do is show the initiative sometimes IMO.. I think Crystal was perfectly fine with Ron having and caring for their children. For whatever reason. If she wasn't fine, she had time to do something about about. IMO she was content with the way things were going and it is what it is. Nothing wrong with her decision to allow him to raise the children IMO. She may have thought it was for the best at the time, and so be it. Nothing wrong with that IMO.


I had to go to a grand jury hearing in March. While waiting to see if I had to testify I was talking to a woman also waiting. She had been there dozens of times trying to get her husband indicted for physically abusing their daughter. The DA has called the case each time but an indictment is never handed down.

THAT is a mother who is fighting for her child. THAT is what a mother does to protect her child from an abusive father.

[CANDYKISSES]

YOur gender bias is quite disturbing. How can you fault Crystal for this when she wasn't even there? Time and time again it has been reminded that when Crystal left she took her children with her and RC took them from her in an underhanded custody battle. She lost, she accepted that and spent her court appointed time with them. At any time she can refile for custody and that is what she is doing now. If leaving his children with a teenager who is in to the drug scene is your way of saying he provided for his children, I have to wonder where your morals are. I agree with you that he probably did as much as he could do, but in his desire to show Crystal he was the better parent, he put these children in a dangerous situation. If you want to support him for doing as much as he could, great, but why the animosity towards Crystal.JMO

Crystal comes with a history of bad choices just like Ronald Cummings whether you like it or not. She had the opportunity to do better for her children BEFORE SHE WENT ON TO CREATE A NEW LIFE AND FAMILY, but she CHOSE NOT TO WHEN OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY to come back in ten days. Maybe a quick perusal of the transcripts is in order.

You trying to question my morals is a violation of the TOS on this forum. So check any baggage at the door. This is a forum for discussion of the case and parties involved in the case from what I remember.

Their mother Crystal Sheffield put other things in front of her first two children, just like Johnny Sheffield did IF YOU BELIEVE the STATEMENT HE MADE concerning the children. Something else was more important and now EVERYONE REGRETS IT on both sides of the family.

This is a very sad story but a reality for the area as more comes to light IMO. :sad:

ALL
JMO

[bookie]

Link to evidence found? Otherwise a rumor.


Did you miss the word speculation in my post? Next time I'll bold it so you see it better.

[dustyk]

I had to go to a grand jury hearing in March. While waiting to see if I had to testify I was talking to a woman also waiting. She had been there dozens of times trying to get her husband indicted for physically abusing their daughter. The DA has called the case each time but an indictment is never handed down.

THAT is a mother who is fighting for her child. THAT is what a mother does to protect her child from an abusive father.
Doesn't that prove to you that the judges and DA's get it wrong sometimes?

[Motomom]

O.K. I'll buy that she lost custody and spent time with them when the court allowed. There are other parents who have the exact same arrangement, doesn't mean anything. The fact remains that they were left in the care of a sixteen year old who was sleeping with their Father...That is what I know!

But at that time, there was nothing wrong with a 16/17 yr old girl watching them. Sleeping with the father.. well if we believe women are weak, then we could say it was Ron's fault IMO... But I dont' believe women are weak, I believe she chose Ron to be with. She's too young for him, I agree 100%..but looking at her options, it looks like that was the best one.. scary if you think about it.

[bookie]

Doesn't that prove to you that the judges and DA's get it wrong sometimes?


No it doesn't. In her case it was the grand jury that kept getting it wrong. She had evidence but they refused to indict. But my point was that this woman didn't roll over and go back to sleep. She continued to fight for her child. She kept on the DA to keep presenting the case to the GJ. Crystal didn't keep fighting for her children that she claimed were suffering abuse. That is what convinces me there was no abuse.

[Hannah21]

my bold

I rarely do this, but do you have a link to these statements?

Do you have a link that it was? The only link would be if it had been declared a crime scene and the media would have been there to report a finding.

[Motomom]

i seriously doubt CS called the police and wanted them to investigate that abandoned house because police were at the house first and then went to CS's camp and talked to her and put her in the cop car and took her over there and didn't they stay about an hour?


MOO

I don't think we have every heard any more about that. I always wondered if it was a rumor or not. Was there every any followup? Do you or anyone know?

[dustyk]

Crystal comes with a history of bad choices just like Ronald Cummings whether you like it or not. She had the opportunity to do better for her children BEFORE SHE WENT ON TO CREATE A NEW LIFE AND FAMILY, but she CHOSE NOT TO WHEN OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY to come back in ten days. Maybe a quick perusal of the transcripts is in order.

You trying to question my morals is a violation of the TOS on this forum. So check any baggage at the door. This is a forum for discussion of the case and parties involved in the case from what I remember.

Their mother Crystal Sheffield put other things in front of her first two children, just like Johnny Sheffield did IF YOU BELIEVE the STATEMENT HE MADE concerning the children. Something else was more important and now EVERYONE REGRETS IT on both sides of the family.

This is a very sad story but a reality for the area as more comes to light IMO. :sad:

ALL
JMO
We have all made bad choices, nobody is perfect you are correct. Even if it were proven that Crystal flat out didn't want her children(which I don't believe to be the case) the fact is RC made the choice as the better parent to leave his children with a teenage girl with a drug history and as a result Haleigh is no longer there.IMO

[Hannah21]

No it doesn't. In her case it was the grand jury that kept getting it wrong. She had evidence but they refused to indict. But my point was that this woman didn't roll over and go back to sleep. She continued to fight for her child. She kept on the DA to keep presenting the case to the GJ. Crystal didn't keep fighting for her children that she claimed were suffering abuse. That is what convinces me there was no abuse.

Crystal did not report that she witnessed Ronald abuse the children. KP reported that witnesses have come forth that reported the abuse. The link to that is in the NG video files.

[Motomom]

The only crime scene confirmed is the home of Ronald Cummings. The abandon house was barely mentioned and mostly by posters on the internet. The search of it did not turn up any evidence so apparently it was a search to help a grieving mother's concern and eliminate that one area.

If you have information regarding evidence found there please post it. Otherwise there was none found.

Could you post the link that followed up on that supposed visit?

[CANDYKISSES]

i seriously doubt CS called the police and wanted them to investigate that abandoned house because police were at the house first and then went to CS's camp and talked to her and put her in the cop car and took her over there and didn't they stay about an hour?


MOO

That's correct FA and there has been much speculation on that. I'm trying to remember a situation that prompted the question about whether Crystal had ever been inside the trailer otherwise known as HOME to Haleigh and Junior.

Do you by chance remember what prompted that question? I remember Marie saying one thing and Crystal saying another if I am remembering it correctly. :confused: JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

We have all made bad choices, nobody is perfect you are correct. Even if it were proven that Crystal flat out didn't want her children(which I don't believe to be the case) the fact is RC made the choice as the better parent to leave his children with a teenage girl with a drug history and as a result Haleigh is no longer there.IMO

You don't know that for fact and I will wait until Haleigh is found and more information comes forth prior to laying blame for her disappearance on ONE PERSON period. JMOOC. :unsure:

[Peaches]

Peaches, from your above post:"...if they choose to go off and leave them with their fathers."

<my underlining>

IF being the operative word. In Crystal's case, just by reading the court documents, let alone all the other information we have, this is not true for her.

In our praying , maybe we all should pray for the wisdom to walk in another soul's shoes. I speak first of myself. How about we play nice and be fair?

my thoughts and opinions about this.



Seeker...............not matter why Crystal left her children.............she should always be willing to do her share to help raise them and that means like any man............she should pay child support.

I agree with you about playing fair...........but please give everyone the same benefit ..............

It is my belief that Crystal loves her children; but it is also my belief that she was happy with the situation of Ron having the children and for her to visit. That's just me.

I have seen this happen more times than 1............both man and woman being the one to visit.

Seeker.............we all make our judgement from the lives we live, I think. Maybe this is the reason I feel so strongly about mother's leaving their children............to move on with their lives.

My hairdress has his 2 children.............their mother is the "disney mom" from Nashville............where she lives her music life.........she is happy without her children there but her daughter misses having a momma share the small things in her life.........making cheerleading/being asked to the prom/etc...........Her dad does a good job but .......................

My brother had his 3 children.........their mother lived 30 minutes from him but she also chose to be the "disney mom".........have fun/go places.......Mother's Day and Father's Day, my brother receives card from all 3 of his children.

I have heard these children talk about the fact that their mother was not more in their lives and the hurt and rejection they felt.

BTW...........my SIL was ordered to pay child support but my brother did not want it.............did not enforce it....but it is my opinion their mother should have wanted to pay it so that her children could have more.

All just my own opinion!

[bookie]

Crystal did not report that she witnessed Ronald abuse the children. KP reported that witnesses have come forth that reported the abuse. The link to that is in the NG video files.



Crystal told NG that she never saw Ron abuse the children. A night or 2 later she told Geraldo that she did see Ron abuse the children. The link to that is the NG and GR videos.

[dustyk]

You don't know that for fact and I will wait until Haleigh is found and more information comes forth prior to laying blame for her disappearance on ONE PERSON period. JMOOC. :unsure:
But you don't hesitate putting the blame on Crystal do YOu?

[CANDYKISSES]

But at that time, there was nothing wrong with a 16/17 yr old girl watching them. Sleeping with the father.. well if we believe women are weak, then we could say it was Ron's fault IMO... But I dont' believe women are weak, I believe she chose Ron to be with. She's too young for him, I agree 100%..but looking at her options, it looks like that was the best one.. scary if you think about it.

You summed that up very well and yes indeed it's scary when you look at the whole situation IMO.

It's amazing nothing horrible happened prior to this with all the dysfunction surrounding all the children involved in one way or another now. JMO. :crying:

[Motomom]

But you don't hesitate putting the blame on Crystal do YOu?

Candy has never put blame on Crystal for Haleigh being gone. We won't know who to put the blame on until she is found..

[carlybarly]

IF being the operative word. In Crystal's case, just by reading the court documents, let alone all the other information we have, this is not true for her.

In our praying , maybe we all should pray for the wisdom to walk in another soul's shoes. I speak first of myself. How about we play nice and be fair?

my thoughts and opinions about this.

Seeker you do confuse me, it is obvious you are so pro Crystal you can't see beyond that, which is fine as that is your choice. But Crystal had months to do something to try to get custody back, but she never did. No talk of fighting for custody was mentioned till KP arrived to help her.

And maybe you should play nice and be fair, you have no problem bashing Ron to the ground while holding the pedestal for Crystal. How is that playing fair?

I have no feelings about Ron, he made a lot of bad choices that he'll have to deal with his whole life. Same as Crystal. Neither of them are any better than the other. But why don't you take a step back and play fair when it comes to Ron? You can't because for some reason you think that Crystal is weak and helpless but I don't see her as a victim, only a victim of her own making. same as Ron, he is a victim of his own making. And the kids, both of them, are paying the price. Unfortunately Haleigh more than any at this time.

[Scampi]

Unfortunately Crystal is a part of the reason the children were living the way they were/are given she made a choice to bring them into the world right along with their father Ronald Cummings. She had a hand in those children calling the "trailer of Ronald Cummings" their HOME. There is no escaping that and given the decisions she made, she shares responsibility for them too.

Suddenly it has become open season for Teresa Neves, but again we are supposed to baby poor Crystal. I feel sorry for all these people who don't seem to know the value of children and a loving family, and are finding out the hard way how brutal and unfair life can be when you are not the media's darling due to your LIFESTYLE IMOO.

I can even feel sorry for those people who believe a father who has provided for his children (sans whether you like how he has done so or not) could or should LIFT A SUPPORT ORDER for CHILDREN CREATED BY BOTH PARENTS and that will make him more of a man. :confused: WTH, I find that really deplorable myself.

I wonder what would make Crystal more of a woman, but I am afraid to ask and simply would not, but can see that gender bias is prevalent in the minds of some.....:rolleyes: ALL JMO.

Sorry, I think your first paragraph is absurd. It was ronald's decision to move into that trailer, Crystal had nothing to do with it.

Also, Crystal bears no responsibility in the disappearance of Haleigh. That responsibility lies with ronald and misty. Period. imo.

[seeker]

You know she didn't go off and leave her children, but if that is what you want to keep bringing that up then fine, I for one and others know better. JMO

I am one of the others. This is not said because I wish to join one team or another. Most, if not all, of us are here because we care about a little girl vanished.

We human beings, for the most part, are not one-dimensional cartoon characters; we are thinking, feeling, evolving beings. If we all were meeting together in person I have the sense that we would find that we could not square off into two, or even three teams. Moreover, WHY would we want to?

Isn't this idea of a message/discussion board an exercise in truth and debate? Not the playoffs in some team sport? Its early on the west coast and I feel like I'm stepping into wonderland.

Why can't we behave like caring human beings? Anyone coming here for the first time could be truly turned off. Do we want that or would we rather have this place known for it's intellectual honesty and respectful tone towards those we may not agree with?

My very strong feelings about this. Do you guys notice when you are using a search engine that this board comes up quite often? What a wonderful tool it could be. Again, my thoughts and opinions on this.

[Peaches]

Crystal told NG that she never saw Ron abuse the children. A night or 2 later she told Geraldo that she did see Ron abuse the children. The link to that is the NG and GR videos.


I loved it! With her attorney sitting right beside her. jmo

[Peaches]

Sorry, I think your first paragraph is absurd. It was ronald's decision to move into that trailer, Crystal had nothing to do with it.

Also, Crystal bears no responsibility in the disappearance of Haleigh. That responsibility lies with ronald and misty. Period. imo.



From my understanding, Crystal too lives in a trailer............is that not their home?

[bookie]

I loved it! With her attorney sitting right beside her. jmo


My guess is KimP clued her in after the NG show. Her saying she never witnessed abuse didn't help her "cause".

[Mimi428]

Well why else would they have taken her? Any ideas? IMO

They wanted to talk to her away from the audience. See if her demeanor, her answers, her general speech was any different if she was away from all the rest of the group.

That's one reason, IMO. Separating the various people is as common as dirt.

Could also be that they wanted to see/talk to/guage the reactions of someone else if Crystal was not present.

JMO

[Scampi]

You have GOT to be kidding me! At the end of that three day binge a 5 year old child came up missing! And you think she and Ron should have a BABY???? Why? To replace the one they lost??? And if all the young girls who are making grave mistakes like she is got blasted more often they probably wouldn't repeat them over and over and over again.

I'm with you Madame, I cannot think of a worse scenario.......... :cuss:

[Hannah21]

My guess is KimP clued her in after the NG show. Her saying she never witnessed abuse didn't help her "cause".

Now, that I agree with you. I don't think Crystal witnessed abuse against the children.

[dustyk]

From my understanding, Crystal too lives in a trailer............is that not their home?
Many people live in trailers...what's your point.IMO

[Scampi]

From my understanding, Crystal too lives in a trailer............is that not their home?

I don't have a clue what you are trying to say here.

[dustyk]

i disagree. maybe if Crystal wouldn't have been so "lazy" she might have been able to keep custody and well you know like ya'll keep saying if Haleigh would have been with Crystal she wouldn't be missing right now. Sooo yep sounds like Crystal plays a part in little Haleigh being missing.


Plus.......has she been cleared yet?
Will never understand how Crystal gets blamed and Misty gets comforted. Laziness didn't lead to her being taken. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Sorry, I think your first paragraph is absurd. It was ronald's decision to move into that trailer, Crystal had nothing to do with it.

Also, Crystal bears no responsibility in the disappearance of Haleigh. That responsibility lies with ronald and misty. Period. imo.

While I don't understand your stake in making this woman remain irresponsible, it's not lost in your post. Her responsibility was to aid in supporting the first two children she created. Nobody here can say where they would be if both parents were living up to their responsibilities to these children IMO.

NOBODY knows for sure who is responsible for the disappearance of HALEIGH CUMMINGS unless you have info LE and the rest of us are not privy to at this time. The responsibility of providing for children lies with the PARENTS OF THE CHILDREN IMO. It's part of the role as a parent when you decide to bring a child into this world from what I've seen. JMO:huh:

[bookie]

Many people live in trailers...what's your point.IMO

Whether it was a house, trailer or a tent it was a home. Some people seem to like to say trailer as if insulting Ron for living in a trailer. That's how it appears to me anyway.

Do people who live in trialers say "I'm going home" or do they say "I'm going to my trailer"? I've never heard anyone say the latter so why can't we all just say Ron's home?

[Motomom]

Sorry, I think your first paragraph is absurd. It was ronald's decision to move into that trailer, Crystal had nothing to do with it.

Also, Crystal bears no responsibility in the disappearance of Haleigh. That responsibility lies with ronald and misty. Period. imo.

I think you misunderstood that first line. I got what you were saying though Candy.

Scamp, IMO the only one who bears the responsibility of Haleighs disappearance, is those involved in her disappearance. That doesn't mean Ron though. We dont' know if he was involved. Did he make bad choices?? YES!! Big time bad ones. Until he is identified as the one involved, how can we place the blame on him for what someone else did? Look at the other children, stolen from their front yards in broad daylight, stolen from their beds during slumber parties, taken in the night while their grandparents lay sleeping in another room, ripped from the couch they were sleeping on right next to their brother.. Are we to blame those parents too??

When it is known that Ron had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance..let him Rot.. just like CA.. Until then, I can't blame him. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Whether it was a house, trailer or a tent it was a home. Some people seem to like to say trailer as if insulting Ron for living in a trailer. That's how it appears to me anyway.

Do people who live in trialers say "I'm going home" or do they say "I'm going to my trailer"? I've never heard anyone say the latter so why can't we all just say Ron's home?

You have such a way with words Bookie. :thumbsup:

[Scampi]

Whether it was a house, trailer or a tent it was a home. Some people seem to like to say trailer as if insulting Ron for living in a trailer. That's how it appears to me anyway.

Do people who live in trialers say "I'm going home" or do they say "I'm going to my trailer"? I've never heard anyone say the latter so why can't we all just say Ron's home?

I use the term trailer because in my experience with friends and relatives who live in manufactured housing, that is the term they use: Trailer.

I certainly don't find the term disparaging in any way, shape or form. It's amusing to me to see posters attempt to make something out of it when a poster uses that term.

[Motomom]

who the heck is comforting Misty? I can't stand her. IMO she holds the key to all this and i'm shocked Ron married her.

Nobody is comforting Misty..its just Spin. If you defend Ron, you are defending misty and blaming Crystal..that's the spin IMO

I can't believe he would do somethign so ridiculous as to marry her and I keep hoping that there was/is a method to this madness. The only one I can think of is most likely not probable. I don't think he would defend Misty over haleigh. If he knew Misty killed Haleigh or sold her, or gave her away, I dont' think he would defend her.

[Scampi]

Do you think Haleigh will ever be found? Anybody?

As someone who never gave up that Laci and Connor would be found in the Bay, I think Haleigh's remains will also be found one day. I hope I am wrong and that she is still alive, but I very much doubt it.

[Motomom]

Do you think Haleigh will ever be found? Anybody?

I didn't think Caylee would ever be found and she was.. So I'm hoping beyond hope that Haleigh will be found. I think she'll be found is she has passed on.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think you misunderstood that first line. I got what you were saying though Candy.

Scamp, IMO the only one who bears the responsibility of Haleighs disappearance, is those involved in her disappearance. That doesn't mean Ron though. We dont' know if he was involved. Did he make bad choices?? YES!! Big time bad ones. Until he is identified as the one involved, how can we place the blame on him for what someone else did? Look at the other children, stolen from their front yards in broad daylight, stolen from their beds during slumber parties, taken in the night while their grandparents lay sleeping in another room, ripped from the couch they were sleeping on right next to their brother.. Are we to blame those parents too??

When it is known that Ron had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance..let him Rot.. just like CA.. Until then, I can't blame him. JMO

Well said Motomom, and as I stated earlier...MY OPINION IS OPEN and EVOLVING IN THIS CASE as more and more is made available and Haleigh is returned. :wub:

The idea of parents being responsible for the safety of their children is an important value for me and I can't dismiss it or give either one a free pass, but I feel bad because no matter what we all go back and re-evaluate at some point and I feel there will be many regrets on the part of both parents eventually. This has been like watching people being ripped apart and there is no happy ending at this time to overcome all the pain. Still hoping for a miracle for Haleigh to include wake up calls. JMO

[Scampi]

I think you misunderstood that first line. I got what you were saying though Candy.

Scamp, IMO the only one who bears the responsibility of Haleighs disappearance, is those involved in her disappearance. That doesn't mean Ron though. We dont' know if he was involved. Did he make bad choices?? YES!! Big time bad ones. Until he is identified as the one involved, how can we place the blame on him for what someone else did? Look at the other children, stolen from their front yards in broad daylight, stolen from their beds during slumber parties, taken in the night while their grandparents lay sleeping in another room, ripped from the couch they were sleeping on right next to their brother.. Are we to blame those parents too??

When it is known that Ron had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance..let him Rot.. just like CA.. Until then, I can't blame him. JMO


I see what you're saying MOM!! I just think ron bears the responsibility for allowing misty to be in charge of his precious children, all the while being aware of her drugging and alcohol abuse that past weekend. Very poor judgement, imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy do you by any chance know if Crystal's NOW trying to catch up on her child support or has she just continued to ignore the support Jr needs right now? TIA


IMO if it was ronald that was behind 4000 dollars in support people on here would call him a dead beat dad.


The last thing I heard was that the paperwork was tabled until after Haleigh was returned and that was at the end of February. I believe it was in First Coast News.

ITA about the names Ronald Cummings would be sporting, just look at what he is called now.....:w00t: jmo

[dustyk]

Whether it was a house, trailer or a tent it was a home. Some people seem to like to say trailer as if insulting Ron for living in a trailer. That's how it appears to me anyway.

Do people who live in trialers say "I'm going home" or do they say "I'm going to my trailer"? I've never heard anyone say the latter so why can't we all just say Ron's home?
doesn't appear that way to me..I lived in a trailer for 10 years before i bought my home, I don't care what people called it, trailer, metal mansion, home, whatever. IMO

[Scampi]

While I don't understand your stake in making this woman remain irresponsible, it's not lost in your post. Her responsibility was to aid in supporting the first two children she created. Nobody here can say where they would be if both parents were living up to their responsibilities to these children IMO.

NOBODY knows for sure who is responsible for the disappearance of HALEIGH CUMMINGS unless you have info LE and the rest of us are not privy to at this time. The responsibility of providing for children lies with the PARENTS OF THE CHILDREN IMO. It's part of the role as a parent when you decide to bring a child into this world from what I've seen. JMO:huh:

IMO, there were and remain circumstances that prevent Crystal from making those child support payments. ronald cannot get blood from a stone and won't get a dime from Crystal until and unless she is able to return to work. imo.

Speaking of work, when is ronald going to begin supporting his family?

[dustyk]

And in MOO Crystal was a dead beat mom for not paying child support. But her non payment of child supportdid not make Haleigh come up missing.
ItA So true.

[Scampi]

doesn't appear that way to me..I lived in a trailer for 10 years before i bought my home, I don't care what people called it, trailer, metal mansion, home, whatever. IMO

"Metal mansion"........lol!! My Dad, God rest his soul, once went to my cousin's trailer and asked where the "steering wheel" was.......... :lol: We were city folk.

[Motomom]

I see what you're saying MOM!! I just think ron bears the responsibility for allowing misty to be in charge of his precious children, all the while being aware of her drugging and alcohol abuse that past weekend. Very poor judgement, imo.

And I agree with you there, IF all of that is true. Did LE verify that? I know these other people coming forth have, but has LE? Bad decision on his part if that is the case, especially if she still had residual effects from the drugs.. But to me it's all a big IF. Sometimes we make choices that we HAVE to make. He had to go to work. I'm not sure what his other options were at that time. Where the gps were, what the circumstances were ect ect ect. Even with that bad decision, IF all of that is true, he is still not responsible for Haleigh missing. I doubt it was a thought of his, I'm sure he never imagined she would be gone, whether misty was on a binge or not. Just a bad choice. Maybe that's why GGM stopped by that night, to check things out. IDK... It's just a different perception of things.

[seeker]

MOO is that someday, I hope soon, she will have to answer to Haleigh and of course I know that she will answer to God. jmo


Won't we all?

[Motomom]

IMO, there were and remain circumstances that prevent Crystal from making those child support payments. ronald cannot get blood from a stone and won't get a dime from Crystal until and unless she is able to return to work. imo.

Speaking of work, when is ronald going to begin supporting his family?

He should be supporting his remaining child, just like Crystal should. If Chad cannot afford to support Crystal and all of her children financially, then her butt needs a job too.

Ron should have went back to that job he had. Had he not been out getting married and getting tattoos I would give him slack for it, but he's been out doing that stuff, so he is capable of working IMO. Same for Crystal. She needs to get her health better and get a job if Chads isn't cutting it. It works both ways IMO.

[Hannah21]

He should be supporting his remaining child, just like Crystal should. If Chad cannot afford to support Crystal and all of her children financially, then her butt needs a job too.

Ron should have went back to that job he had. Had he not been out getting married and getting tattoos I would give him slack for it, but he's been out doing that stuff, so he is capable of working IMO. Same for Crystal. She needs to get her health better and get a job if Chads isn't cutting it. It works both ways IMO.

Misty should be working as well. If she is going to play house and get married then she has the responsibility of an adult to get a job.

[Hannah21]

How do you know? maybe if she paid support Ronald could have had the children in day care and not left with Misty.


Honestly i don't think Ron or Crystal are responsible for Haleigh being missing. I think Misty and her "friends" know exactly what happen

Are there any day cares for night shift?

[Hannah21]

How do you know? maybe if she paid support Ronald could have had the children in day care and not left with Misty.


Honestly i don't think Ron or Crystal are responsible for Haleigh being missing. I think Misty and her "friends" know exactly what happen

This is very possible. Question is why? Why would Misty want to get rid of Haleigh? She has claimed Haleigh was like her baby.

What are the possible reasons? Open to the board.

[CC I See]

Isn't Misty 17? Many 17 year old people/both male and female/ are babysitters.

This entire situation is very sad. I think that both Haleigh and Ron, Jr. deserve more than either parent gave them.

Crystal could have seen her children more and been in their lives if she had not move so far away. This is just moo but I do think that this makes a world of difference for these precious babies!

jmoo

Was she not in a serious car accident and then pregnant and then not able to work because of both of these reasons. Moving away was the ONLY place she found where she could live and that was with family. It was too bad that is was so far away from her children but other than a local homeless shelter what choice did she have?

[?noanswer]

Was she not in a serious car accident and then pregnant and then not able to work because of both of these reasons. Moving away was the ONLY place she found where she could live and that was with family. It was too bad that is was so far away from her children but other than a local homeless shelter what choice did she have?


Those two things you listed above happened after she had moved away from the area where her two children were. JMO

[?noanswer]

Does anyone know if Haleigh is TN's only granddaughter?

I wonder is she is hoping Misty will have a girl.

I think her daughter Crystal has at least one child. Don't know the gender. JMO

[Hannah21]

Those two things you listed above happened after she had moved away from the area where her two children were. JMO

She took her children with her when she moved. Custody became an issue after she left and Ron stole the children and obtained a legal custody order based on lies and deception.

Crystal had a car accident and got behind in child support payments due to being unable to work while recovering from the accident.

[Motomom]

Misty should be working as well. If she is going to play house and get married then she has the responsibility of an adult to get a job.

Misty doesn't have any children.. :confused: If she is playing house, while married and her husband supports her, why does she need a job?? Looks like at this time, nobody is able to support anyone.

Course don't be silly. I believe that any able bodied person should be working if they cannot makes ends meet.

[?noanswer]

She took her children with her when she moved. Custody became an issue after she left and Ron stole the children and obtained a legal custody order based on lies and deception.

Crystal had a car accident and got behind in child support payments due to being unable to work while recovering from the accident.


Thanks, but I was aware of the information. JMO

[Hannah21]

Misty doesn't have any children.. :confused: If she is playing house, while married and her husband supports her, why does she need a job?? Looks like at this time, nobody is able to support anyone.

Course don't be silly. I believe that any able bodied person should be working if they cannot makes ends meet.

Granny Sykes cannot support them forever. Ron and Misty need to get jobs and their own place.

[?noanswer]

hold on.......didn't Crystal receive a big settlement from that accident?

I haven't seen anything to document a settlement. All I have seen is that she is trying to get one. Maybe KP can help her with that. JMO

[Owlface]

Great post. ITA

bolding... Ronald failed to protect his children. The beginning of Haleigh's case started when Ronald left his children with a teenager he knew just came off a 3 day bender of sex, drugs and only they know what else and less than 24 hours later one of the children is missing. Who is to blame for that. Ronald is.
The truth is missing as well. Misty nor Ronald have told the truth. They are lying to protect themselves. They marry to seal the deal. They go into hiding and are doing nothing whatsoever to continue the search for Haleigh.

MOO

Ronald's behavior since February 10th is questionable.

Except that the Ron apologists are already setting things up so no matter what truth is revealed it'll still be Crystal's fault.

There's already been postings that:

If Ron's abusive it's Crystal's fault cause she didn't take the kids with her.

It's Crystal's fault 'cause if she was paying child support Ron wouldn't have had to leave the kids in Misty's care; he could have bought child care.

[Scampi]

OFF TOPIC :(


Dom DeLuise died :rose:

With Bea Arthur already in heaven and now Dom, there's laughter up above for sure this week.

:rose:

[CC I See]

This is very possible. Question is why? Why would Misty want to get rid of Haleigh? She has claimed Haleigh was like her baby. What are the possible reasons? Open to the board.
......was like her baby but NOT her baby. Haleigh belonged to Crystal and Ron. I believe that this was motive.

[Hannah21]

hold on.......didn't Crystal receive a big settlement from that accident?

Last I heard she is due to get a settlement. I haven't heard if she has received anything or not.

[Motomom]

This is very possible. Question is why? Why would Misty want to get rid of Haleigh? She has claimed Haleigh was like her baby.

What are the possible reasons? Open to the board.

I think she was a tad bit jealous of that little girl to be honest. I think Ron put Haleigh before Misty in some way shape or form and I don't think she liked it. OR...

Those girls told the truth when they (or one of them, whichever) said that Ron did not allow Misty to hang with them. Looking at their recent muggies, I'd say he made the right decision there. They could have wanted to get back at Ron and did it this way. OR...

Those girls, or someone else didn't want Misty with Ron, wanted to prove to Ron how unfit misty was.

I keep thinking it was not so much a joke..more of a cruel sort of Joke if you will, and it went way to far. Could have been done on Misty or Ron.. and all of it sacrificing this child's well being.

You know, I dont' know what happened. I've said it before though, I will be very shocked if Ron or Crystal or any of the family members had anything to do with this. I don't count Misty in with family members though.

[Hannah21]

Except that the Ron apologists are already setting things up so no matter what truth is revealed it'll still be Crystal's fault.

There's already been postings that:

If Ron's abusive it's Crystal's fault cause she didn't take the kids with her.

It's Crystal's fault 'cause if she was paying child support Ron wouldn't have had to leave the kids in Misty's care; he could have bought child care.

I agree with you. Good observation.

As usual Ronald supporters will say anything to excuse his behavior and misplace the blame for his actions.

[Motomom]

Does anyone know if Haleigh is TN's only granddaughter?

I wonder is she is hoping Misty will have a girl.

Misty is pregnant?

[dustyk]

She took her children with her when she moved. Custody became an issue after she left and Ron stole the children and obtained a legal custody order based on lies and deception.

Crystal had a car accident and got behind in child support payments due to being unable to work while recovering from the accident.
I agree with your post, but it doesn't seem to matter to some in order to keep Ron in a good light they have to put Crystal down, When the fact is even if she was lazy, behind in child support, her character is no where near as bad as RC and MIsty.IMO

[Mimi428]

i disagree. maybe if Crystal wouldn't have been so "lazy" she might have been able to keep custody and well you know like ya'll keep saying if Haleigh would have been with Crystal she wouldn't be missing right now. Sooo yep sounds like Crystal plays a part in little Haleigh being missing.



For all the hue & cry from a lot of female posters about how all the blame is always put on the guy & how wretchedly unfair that is...

And for all the indignant diatribes from female posters who have worked their martyred fingers to the bone helping the women worthy enough in their estimation to accept their sacrificial assistance...

And for all the protests from female posters who have their own personal experiences with an abusive partner...

It never ceases to amaze me to see how fast & how furious the twisting, turning, bending, S-curve explanations start that will maximize the responsibilities of mothers & minimize those of fathers. A contortionist in the circus would be envious.

I think what Owl posted a few weeks ago has great merit - the dynamics of abusive relationships are still very poorly comprehended. If those dynamics were better understood, I firmly believe that more people would have a grasp of how common it is for people who have grown up in a household of abuse to fail to recognize abusive behavior. If you grow up with harsh physical discipline, you learn to accept it & you don't label it as abuse.

If the parent(s) you love slapped the crap out of you, denigrated & belittled you, you don't necessarily comprehend that as being abusive - & you make excuses for behavior like that when you see it in others. In your mind, abuse is something like being beaten half to death. It doesn't include being spanked with a belt, being switched, being backhanded, being knocked down, being intimidated by threats, etc.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how all the people who claim to be knowledgeable of abuse have apparently never seen the relationships where the man views having the children in his custody as a way to control the woman. Have never seen situations in which one big reason the man wants the kids is because he is unwilling to pay money for their support. No way that woman is going to get the upper hand. If he has the kids, she sure can't completely get away from him, now can she? And who really gives a crap about how well those kids are taken care of - there is always a grandmother, great-grandmother & a line of girlfriends to take care of the real work. And if you do even half as much as the average mom, well...you will be praised to the skies as if you are dad of the century.

And the pièce de résistance, the final triumph - if anything bad happens to the child while in your custody, you have the perfect out - just turn it around & blame it on mom for not being there.

What a world.

JMO

[Motomom]

She took her children with her when she moved. Custody became an issue after she left and Ron stole the children and obtained a legal custody order based on lies and deception.

Crystal had a car accident and got behind in child support payments due to being unable to work while recovering from the accident.


Ok, so he didn't have a right to see his kids? More spin? He stole them? Puhlease. He had every right to see those children as she did. He had every right to fight for custody of those children as she did. Based on what lies? The lies her father wrote in his statements? What lies?

Crystal had a horrid wreck, thank God she had none of her children or Chads in that car. The pictures were awful. So she was unable to work, If she was working before hand she would have gotton disability wouldn't she have? That works different in each state I think and I'm not familiar with FL in that regards. So when does Chloe come into the picture? Before the wreck or after the wreck when she was physically unable to work? Also, pregnancy does not mean one can't work. Unless there are medical issues, which we've heard of none, so I'll assume there are none, she was perfectly capable of working. Again It is what it is.

[Motomom]

Granny Sykes cannot support them forever. Ron and Misty need to get jobs and their own place.

I didn't say other wise.

[Motomom]

Except that the Ron apologists are already setting things up so no matter what truth is revealed it'll still be Crystal's fault.

There's already been postings that:

If Ron's abusive it's Crystal's fault cause she didn't take the kids with her.

It's Crystal's fault 'cause if she was paying child support Ron wouldn't have had to leave the kids in Misty's care; he could have bought child care.

And coming from the Crystal coddlers, Crystal is an Angel without wings. Why can't they each take responsibility for their own short comings? Why must we blame Crystal for a lack of daycare so ron could work? Why do we blame Ron for Everything wrong in Crystals life?

Look, they both were able to make their own decisions in life. She chose hers, he chose his. It is not Ron's fault that Crystal was doing drugs, they were both teenagers. I believe they probably had a very volatile relationship and it was probably IMO learned by how they were both raised, so it was the norm IMO. I don't fault Crystal for not having her children because I think she was ok with that situation. That was her choice, she could have fought and didn't. Maybe it was easier for her, maybe she thought it better for the kids we just don't know. If over these last few yrs she had fought I'd feel differently.

[bookie]

She took her children with her when she moved. Custody became an issue after she left and Ron stole the children and obtained a legal custody order based on lies and deception.

Crystal had a car accident and got behind in child support payments due to being unable to work while recovering from the accident.



Funny....that wasn't the story Marie told. According to Crystals mother Crystal couldn't find a job. She even mentioned McDonalds and other fast food joints...which I find hard to believe because the ones around here always have now hiring signs up.

[Motomom]

Hmmmm just the other day someone said she got a big settlement and bought her own home with it.

This is what I think. IIRC it was in the court records from Johnny sheffield that crystal obtained a home and mortgage on her own. But IIRC that was 05. Nobody ever found morgage info on her or through homesales, however they search. I don't feel like going back to reread those docs, but if anyone is rereading take note of that part and the supposed date. I don't think she owns her own home. I would like to think that she does, because that would be a good step for her to have made for her future. But it's unobtainable sometimes.

[Owlface]

For all the hue & cry from a lot of female posters about how all the blame is always put on the guy & how wretchedly unfair that is...

And for all the indignant diatribes from female posters who have worked their martyred fingers to the bone helping the women worthy enough in their estimation to accept their sacrificial assistance...

And for all the protests from female posters who have their own personal experiences with an abusive partner...

It never ceases to amaze me to see how fast & how furious the twisting, turning, bending, S-curve explanations start that will maximize the responsibilities of mothers & minimize those of fathers. A contortionist in the circus would be envious.

I think what Owl posted a few weeks ago has great merit - the dynamics of abusive relationships are still very poorly comprehended. If those dynamics were better understood, I firmly believe that more people would have a grasp of how common it is for people who have grown up in a household of abuse to fail to recognize abusive behavior. If you grow up with harsh physical discipline, you learn to accept it & you don't label it as abuse.

If the parent(s) you love slapped the crap out of you, denigrated & belittled you, you don't necessarily comprehend that as being abusive - & you make excuses for behavior like that when you see it in others. In your mind, abuse is something like being beaten half to death. It doesn't include being spanked with a belt, being switched, being backhanded, being knocked down, being intimidated by threats, etc.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how all the people who claim to be knowledgeable of abuse have apparently never seen the relationships where the man views having the children in his custody as a way to control the woman. Have never seen situations in which one big reason the man wants the kids is because he is unwilling to pay money for their support. No way that woman is going to get the upper hand. If he has the kids, she sure can't completely get away from him, now can she? And who really gives a crap about how well those kids are taken care of - there is always a grandmother, great-grandmother & a line of girlfriends to take care of the real work. And if you do even half as much as the average mom, well...you will be praised to the skies as if you are dad of the century.

And the pièce de résistance, the final triumph - if anything bad happens to the child while in your custody, you have the perfect out - just turn it around & blame it on mom for not being there.

What a world.

JMO

ITA with this post. There's already been several postings today about how Ron's behavior/choices is Crystal's fault.

[bookie]

I agree with you. Good observation.

As usual Ronald supporters will say anything to excuse his behavior and misplace the blame for his actions.


Ditto the Crystal supporters re child support and her lack of parenting skills.

[Hannah21]

Funny....that wasn't the story Marie told. According to Crystals mother Crystal couldn't find a job. She even mentioned McDonalds and other fast food joints...which I find hard to believe because the ones around here always have now hiring signs up.

IF she is due a settlement for injury in a car accident it is reasonable that there is some recovery time after that accident.

[Mimi428]

Except that the Ron apologists are already setting things up so no matter what truth is revealed it'll still be Crystal's fault.

There's already been postings that:

If Ron's abusive it's Crystal's fault cause she didn't take the kids with her.

It's Crystal's fault 'cause if she was paying child support Ron wouldn't have had to leave the kids in Misty's care; he could have bought child care.

Yep, amazing how that still works, isn't it?

[Owlface]

And coming from the Crystal coddlers, Crystal is an Angel without wings. Why can't they each take responsibility for their own short comings? Why must we blame Crystal for a lack of daycare so ron could work? Why do we blame Ron for Everything wrong in Crystals life?

Look, they both were able to make their own decisions in life. She chose hers, he chose his. It is not Ron's fault that Crystal was doing drugs, they were both teenagers. I believe they probably had a very volatile relationship and it was probably IMO learned by how they were both raised, so it was the norm IMO. I don't fault Crystal for not having her children because I think she was ok with that situation. That was her choice, she could have fought and didn't. Maybe it was easier for her, maybe she thought it better for the kids we just don't know. If over these last few yrs she had fought I'd feel differently.

I, for one, agree that everybody is responsible for their own actions. I have never posted otherwise. But we all have to make decisions based on our reality, not the way things should be.

[Hannah21]

Yep, amazing how that still works, isn't it?

It is amazing how they still harp on it as if it contributes to the disappearance.

Frankly, I don't think Ronald wanted the children. I think he took them because he wanted Crystal back. And to this day, if she wanted him he would kick Misty to the curb in a second.

MOO

[bookie]

IF she is due a settlement for injury in a car accident it is reasonable that there is some recovery time after that accident.


Not necessarily. Almost anybody in a wreck that isn't their fault can get a settlement.

[Hannah21]

Not necessarily. Almost anybody in a wreck that isn't their fault can get a settlement.

So you are saying she suffered no injury.

[dustyk]

Ditto the Crystal supporters re child support and her lack of parenting skills.
I thought this was about Haleigh, not supporters of either side. How do you know anything about her parenting skills? IMO

[dustyk]

It is amazing how they still harp on it as if it contributes to the disappearance.

Frankly, I don't think Ronald wanted the children. I think he took them because he wanted Crystal back. And to this day, if she wanted him he would kick Misty to the curb in a second.

MOO
He took them to teach her a lesson for leaving him. He knows that Crystal sees him for what he is and she can't stand him. IMO

[sydney]

hi, guys. i've stayed away from this board for a while, hoping something would turn up on poor haleigh's location - i am so saddened that nothing has changed since the last time i was here.

anyway, i posited a theory a while back - let me know what you think:

perhaps the person who entered the house was known to haleigh. i mean, misty said she didn't hear anything, the kitchen light was on and the back door was open. my theory is, perhaps someone haleigh knew from the neighborhood, friends of ron or misty, someone along that line, came in and turned the kitchen light on. if haleigh had known this person, perhaps she would have gone to them willingly, thus making no noise, no signs of a struggle, etc. i'm not saying this person would have to be well known, just a frequent visitor to the home who knew the routine - when ron worked, misty's habits, that kind of thing. i'm also wondering if this frequent visitor had a criminal record, as well, unknown to the family.

perhaps misty opened the back door to have a smoke or take out the trash or whatever and did not relock it when she came back in, thus providing this person the opportunity to enter the home unnoticed.

i know this is all speculation and a lot of what-ifs, but it seems that no one has anything else....how sad for all involved.

anyone wonder about this as well?

thanks for listening.

[bookie]

So you are saying she suffered no injury.

Only after you twisted my post to mean that.

Look....the fact is people get money from wrecks. Minor injuries can rake in the dough with the right attorney. That's why they are called ambulance chasers. They know how to work the system.

[bookie]

I thought this was about Haleigh, not supporters of either side. How do you know anything about her parenting skills? IMO


From her testimony in the custody hearing.

Are you chastising the people talking about Ron apologists or are you being one sided? I didn't see you ask Owlface if it was about Haleigh. :rolleyes:

[titanfan217]

As a little girl i thought living in a mobile home was the coolest idea and wanted to own one when I grew up. I grew up in Fl, but never have lived in a mobile home. I still talk to hubby about a 'modular home' a trailer on a solid foundation, from time to time.

I live in Iowa now, and much older, so it would be a bit 'cooler' in winter. lol


I've seen manufactured homes that are nice and even questioned how they were built.

However I lived in a mobile home and there was nothing cool about especially when winter came. I "didn't know" you were suppose to have running water year around. Living in one is punishment enough -- no need to classify people that do.

[Peaches]

You have GOT to be kidding me! At the end of that three day binge a 5 year old child came up missing! And you think she and Ron should have a BABY???? Why? To replace the one they lost??? And if all the young girls who are making grave mistakes like she is got blasted more often they probably wouldn't repeat them over and over and over again.


No way did I say that another child would replace Haleigh.

My mother had 7 children and when 1 was killed by a drunk driver someone told her that she still had 6 children.............she told them right fact................she did not have one to spare.

Haleigh is in my prayers daily and it is my hope that she will be found alive and returned to her family!

Also, I am praying for her family as well. That they can somehow make better decisions regarding their children and their lives!

There is no way to replace Haleigh...................if I made it sound like that I am so sorry...............did not mean it that way.

moo

[Mimi428]

It is amazing how they still harp on it as if it contributes to the disappearance.

Frankly, I don't think Ronald wanted the children. I think he took them because he wanted Crystal back. And to this day, if she wanted him he would kick Misty to the curb in a second.

MOO

I don't recall where I heard/saw/read about that - but there were reports way early in the case about that very thing - that Ron's interest in having custody of the children was only because it was an avenue that would keep Crystal from getting away from him.

I wish that wasn't a common scenario, but it is, unfortunately. There are many dads who want primary custody for other reasons, but the awful truth is that there is a notable number who just can't stand the notion of the woman leaving them, can't tolerate the idea that they will be paying her money after she has left them, & figure the way to really punish her is to get the kids.

From the behavior we have seen in Ron, I have no problems believing he was in that group. He sure acts like it & if he is innocent of those sorts of motivations he is doing a fine job of disguising it.

I have to laugh at the suggestions that the poor childcare arrangements are really Crystal's fault, because she owed back child support. I can't imagine the day that excuse would fly if the tables were reversed & if she had been at work & left the kids with an inappropriate male who just came back from a 3-day drug & sex binge.

JMNVHO

[Peaches]

Seeker you do confuse me, it is obvious you are so pro Crystal you can't see beyond that, which is fine as that is your choice. But Crystal had months to do something to try to get custody back, but she never did. No talk of fighting for custody was mentioned till KP arrived to help her.

And maybe you should play nice and be fair, you have no problem bashing Ron to the ground while holding the pedestal for Crystal. How is that playing fair?

I have no feelings about Ron, he made a lot of bad choices that he'll have to deal with his whole life. Same as Crystal. Neither of them are any better than the other. But why don't you take a step back and play fair when it comes to Ron? You can't because for some reason you think that Crystal is weak and helpless but I don't see her as a victim, only a victim of her own making. same as Ron, he is a victim of his own making. And the kids, both of them, are paying the price. Unfortunately Haleigh more than any at this time.


You are indeed correct in your assessment. Both of these parents have made many mistakes where their children and their own lives are concerned.

And ................. you said it best............Both will pay the price.......Haleigh may have paid the biggest price for their parenting.

Thanks for your insight. jmo

[Mimi428]

He took them to teach her a lesson for leaving him. He knows that Crystal sees him for what he is and she can't stand him. IMO

It think you are exactly right about that. I don't think he wanted the kids for the kids' sake - he just wanted to punish Crystal for leaving.

JMO

[Peaches]

Whether it was a house, trailer or a tent it was a home. Some people seem to like to say trailer as if insulting Ron for living in a trailer. That's how it appears to me anyway.

Do people who live in trialers say "I'm going home" or do they say "I'm going to my trailer"? I've never heard anyone say the latter so why can't we all just say Ron's home?


That was indeed my point. Many make a big to do about Ron living in a trailer..........but, say nothing about that is also where Crysal lives.

moo

[bookie]

That was indeed my point. Many make a big to do about Ron living in a trailer..........but, say nothing about that is also where Crysal lives.

moo



IMO it's a dig at Ron.

[Hannah21]

I don't recall where I heard/saw/read about that - but there were reports way early in the case about that very thing - that Ron's interest in having custody of the children was only because it was an avenue that would keep Crystal from getting away from him.

I wish that wasn't a common scenario, but it is, unfortunately. There are many dads who want primary custody for other reasons, but the awful truth is that there is a notable number who just can't stand the notion of the woman leaving them, can't tolerate the idea that they will be paying her money after she has left them, & figure the way to really punish her is to get the kids.

From the behavior we have seen in Ron, I have no problems believing he was in that group. He sure acts like it & if he is innocent of those sorts of motivations he is doing a fine job of disguising it.

I have to laugh at the suggestions that the poor childcare arrangements are really Crystal's fault, because she owed back child support. I can't imagine the day that excuse would fly if the tables were reversed & if she had been at work & left the kids with an inappropriate male who just came back from a 3-day drug & sex binge.

JMNVHO

ITA. Good post.

I also cannot give Ronald a pat on the back for taking care of his children with or without child support because women have done it for centuries.

[Peaches]

I hope someday her remains are found and given a proper burial. I do not think she is still alive. Someone killed her, and I want to know who that person is.



So do I if she was killed but still praying that she is alive somewhere!

[Motomom]

He took them to teach her a lesson for leaving him. He knows that Crystal sees him for what he is and she can't stand him. IMO

I bolded. The pictures from the very beginning show a different tale though. Remember them? heads together during a vigil, her kneeling next to him comforting him. They are there, so I don't buy that she couldn't stand him. If i couldn't stand my EX and my daughter went missing from his home.. ohhh there would be comfort given to him.

[dustyk]

That was indeed my point. Many make a big to do about Ron living in a trailer..........but, say nothing about that is also where Crysal lives.

moo
Who is making a big deal about RC living in a trailer? It was a double wide mobile home that many people live in . What I have a problem with is the people that went in and out of that trailer and eventually left with Haleigh. IMO

[Motomom]

hi, guys. i've stayed away from this board for a while, hoping something would turn up on poor haleigh's location - i am so saddened that nothing has changed since the last time i was here.

anyway, i posited a theory a while back - let me know what you think:

perhaps the person who entered the house was known to haleigh. i mean, misty said she didn't hear anything, the kitchen light was on and the back door was open. my theory is, perhaps someone haleigh knew from the neighborhood, friends of ron or misty, someone along that line, came in and turned the kitchen light on. if haleigh had known this person, perhaps she would have gone to them willingly, thus making no noise, no signs of a struggle, etc. i'm not saying this person would have to be well known, just a frequent visitor to the home who knew the routine - when ron worked, misty's habits, that kind of thing. i'm also wondering if this frequent visitor had a criminal record, as well, unknown to the family.

perhaps misty opened the back door to have a smoke or take out the trash or whatever and did not relock it when she came back in, thus providing this person the opportunity to enter the home unnoticed.

i know this is all speculation and a lot of what-ifs, but it seems that no one has anything else....how sad for all involved.

anyone wonder about this as well?

thanks for listening.

Sydney I think it's just a good a possibilty as anything else at this point. Could be that someone was already there too that Haleigh knew.

[dustyk]

I bolded. The pictures from the very beginning show a different tale though. Remember them? heads together during a vigil, her kneeling next to him comforting him. They are there, so I don't buy that she couldn't stand him. If i couldn't stand my EX and my daughter went missing from his home.. ohhh there would be comfort given to him.
She didn't know all of the details then, I have seen many couples put their feelings aside when it comes to their children.IMO

[Motomom]

Ron AND Misty have had 3 months to get their story straight, yet they do nothing to help aid in finding Haleigh. Gee, I wonder why that is?:confused:

moo

LE said they were satisfied with Rons account of that night didn't they?

[Motomom]

She didn't know all of the details then, I have seen many couples put their feelings aside when it comes to their children.IMO

What details didn't she know about?

[bookie]

She didn't know all of the details then, I have seen many couples put their feelings aside when it comes to their children.IMO



That is such a cop out. We're supposed to believe her own family and friends witnessed Ron abusing Haleigh and none of them called her about it? That is the least believable part of this whole saga.

[Motomom]

No, le said they were satisfied with Ron's 8 hours of work, iirc.

moo

I'll guess I'll be link hunting later on then. Because IIRC they said they were satisfied with Ron's interviews and the inconsistencies lie with Misty..

[bookie]

No, le said they were satisfied with Ron's 8 hours of work, iirc.

moo

No, they said they were satisified with his answers about the 8 hours in question. That is from the time GGM Sykes saw Haleigh around 7pm until the 911 call around 3:30am.


"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

https://secure.townnews.com/shared-content/subscription/authenticate/index.php?mode=start&domain=palatkadailynews.com&usereg=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palatkadailynews.com%2F%2Fart icles%2F2009%2F03%2F13%2Fnews%2Fnews01.txt&discover=0&amex=0

[Hannah21]

No, le said they were satisfied with Ron's 8 hours of work, iirc.

moo

That's right. What specific hours are the "8" hours he worked? That has been confusing to me.

[Motomom]

Looking forward to reading the link.:smile:

Funny enough, looks like someone beat me to it.

[Peaches]

He should be supporting his remaining child, just like Crystal should. If Chad cannot afford to support Crystal and all of her children financially, then her butt needs a job too.

Ron should have went back to that job he had. Had he not been out getting married and getting tattoos I would give him slack for it, but he's been out doing that stuff, so he is capable of working IMO. Same for Crystal. She needs to get her health better and get a job if Chads isn't cutting it. It works both ways IMO./

Excellent post................and very fair to all invovled. ITA.

[bookie]

You are not supposed to believe anything, you believe what you want and I will believe what I want. Your opinion is certainly not the majority so who are you to accuse others of "copping out"?

I said the excuse was a cop out.

I'm not here to win popularity contests and don't give a hoot about majority anything. :rolleyes:

[bookie]

Exactly. His 8 hours in question are the 8 hours he was at work, no? That still leave LE questioning before and after those 8 hours. Simple.

moo


Wrong. The 8 hours in question are from when Haleigh was last seen until she was reported missing. Bowling said THE 8 hours in question, not his 8 hours. 7 something pm until 3:30 am is approx 8 hours.

[Peaches]

Was she not in a serious car accident and then pregnant and then not able to work because of both of these reasons. Moving away was the ONLY place she found where she could live and that was with family. It was too bad that is was so far away from her children but other than a local homeless shelter what choice did she have?


No, CC, her father lives in the same town/city as Ron. She could have stayed with them...............she also said she had other relatives.

So..............it does not fly with me that she had no other option but live so far away.

jmo

[Motomom]

Exactly. His 8 hours in question are the 8 hours he was at work, no? That still leave LE questioning before and after those 8 hours. Simple.

moo

Yes, simple LOL.. yet you missed it. 7 to 3 is 8 hours. The kids were seen by ggm at around 7.

[Peaches]

Does anyone know if Haleigh is TN's only granddaughter?

I wonder is she is hoping Misty will have a girl.


Is it a FACT that Misty is going to have a baby? Just asking because I do not know. TIA

[Owlface]

I do not think they show a different story. It only shows that what a great person Crystal is, that when she was faced with great devastation she could put aside her own feelings and work with someone she shared a common bond with. It really explains a lot because as the story developed and the belief that she would be found waned, reality hit her. It is not at all uncommon for someone in the midst of tragedy to see things through a fog but slowly but surely wake up too.

ITA With some posters Crystal is danged if she does, danged if she doesn't.

[Mimi428]

That is such a cop out. We're supposed to believe her own family and friends witnessed Ron abusing Haleigh and none of them called her about it? That is the least believable part of this whole saga.

It wouldn't surprise me either way - if they did or did not tell her Ron was smacking the kids.

From what we have seen & read on the people in Haleigh's life, they dd not seem to be living lives free of violence. I really think in the world they all lived in, physical violence was not at all unusual & smacking the daylights out of kids was included in it.

I think one of the reasons Crystal's dad didn't do anything earlier is because he may very well have treated his kids & his wife the same way. I also think that may be one of the main reasons why Crystal did not previously use the word 'abuse' - because to her, that was just the way life was - sometimes you get smacked around. You may not like it, you may sure want it to stop - but in your dictionary, it isn't abuse.

(seen that more times than I care to even think about)

JMO

[Motomom]

I didn't miss anything and I don't believe ggm sykes was at the mh at or around 7 pm. That story only holds water if you believe TN story, that came out three days later.

moo

Well, whether you believe it or not must be moot because as of right now it appears that LE believes it. Just because it took 3 days for us to hear about that, doesn't mean that LE didnt' hear about it before then.

[Motomom]

ITA With some posters Crystal is danged if she does, danged if she doesn't.

As is Ron. Again, it works both ways.

[bookie]

Where was Ron from the time he "dropped off Haleigh" until the time he had to go to work? According to Ronald, he dropped Haleigh off and said his goodbyes. What about that gap in time?

moo


Who says there is a gap in time? He picked her up at the bus stop around 3:45. I'm sure it took a few minutes to drive her home, say goodbyes and get anything he needed for work, then the approx 20 minute drive to work. Did he stop for gas on the way to work? Get to work on time or a few minutes early? According to the poster who called his shift started at 4:30 so there wasn't much of a gap time if any.

[Motomom]

IF not pregnant now, she will eventually have a baby.

So what does that have to do with anything though? Seriously. If she is innocent of this then she has every right to go on and have children doesn't she? Or is it that you believe she is pregnant right now? I don't know if she is or isn't, i haven't seen any recent pictures. Has anyone? If she's pregnant now, she'll be showing soon.

[Hannah21]

Where was Ron from the time he "dropped off Haleigh" until the time he had to go to work? According to Ronald, he dropped Haleigh off and said his goodbyes. What about that gap in time?

moo

Exactly. If his shift started at 4PM and he left for work after getting Haleigh off the bus, and he worked 8 hours then he should have gotten off work at midnight. It leaves a gap in the time line from midnight to 3:30 AM or a gap in the afternoon time line from 3:30 PM when Haleigh got home from school until 7PM if that is when Ronald's shift began.

What happen during this time is what is crucial to what happen to Haleigh.

[Peaches]

And coming from the Crystal coddlers, Crystal is an Angel without wings. Why can't they each take responsibility for their own short comings? Why must we blame Crystal for a lack of daycare so ron could work? Why do we blame Ron for Everything wrong in Crystals life?

Look, they both were able to make their own decisions in life. She chose hers, he chose his. It is not Ron's fault that Crystal was doing drugs, they were both teenagers. I believe they probably had a very volatile relationship and it was probably IMO learned by how they were both raised, so it was the norm IMO. I don't fault Crystal for not having her children because I think she was ok with that situation. That was her choice, she could have fought and didn't. Maybe it was easier for her, maybe she thought it better for the kids we just don't know. If over these last few yrs she had fought I'd feel differently.



Mom................you said this so well. Exactly my thoughts but written much better than I could ever do. Thanks...........ITA.

[Motomom]

I'd like a link showing that LE believes Granny Sykes was there at 7pm, as far as I know, le has never backed up the granny sykes story. For all we know, le could be basing the 7 pm theory on Ronald still be home. Where was Ronald from the time he allegedly picked up Haleigh, to the time he had to go to work?

mo

Well, you know where to look for the links. LE has made it clear IMO that the inconsistencies lie with Misty. What other 8 hours could they be talking about??? Didn't KP give a time line they were interested in looking into?? Anyone remember what it was? I want to say 8 or 10 on..

[Mimi428]

No, the least believable part of this whole saga is Misty and the fact that Ronald doesn't ask Misty key questions pertaining to the night Haleigh vanished. LE has stated several times that MISTY is key to finding Haleigh. Not Crystal, not Chad, MISTY.

moo

Ohhhh, you KNOW I'm agreein' with that.

No way do I believe a man who is frantic with worry over where his child could be would not have questioned the last person he says was with her over & over again about key elements like that.

Nope. Not plausible.

JMO

[Motomom]

If we are to use your theory and Ronald started work at 4:30, then his shift would be over at approximately 12:30/1:00 am. Where was he after work? That's almost 2 hours of vague time, le has said they are satisfied with his 8 hours, what about the other hours?

moo

His shift was 4:30 to 3 wasn't it? LE didn't say HIS 8 hours though, the 8 hours IN QUESTION IIRC

[bookie]

If we are to use your theory and Ronald started work at 4:30, then his shift would be over at approximately 12:30/1:00 am. Where was he after work? That's almost 2 hours of vague time, le has said they are satisfied with his 8 hours, what about the other hours?

moo

It isn't my theory. A poster here called PDM early on and was told the shift was from 4:30 pm until 3am. If you doubt it call PDM and find out for yourself.

LE said they were satisified with his account of THE 8 hours, NOT his 8 hours. I'm sorry you can't understand that that means from 7pm until 3am.....the hours in which they think something happened to Haleigh.

[Owlface]

Where was Ron from the time he "dropped off Haleigh" until the time he had to go to work? According to Ronald, he dropped Haleigh off and said his goodbyes. What about that gap in time?

moo

I would really like to know the answer to this, as well as the neighbor who claimed to see Haleigh playing outside. A lot rests on that tidbit of information and I'm real curious to know the rest of that story.

[bookie]

His shift was 4:30 to 3 wasn't it? LE didn't say HIS 8 hours though, the 8 hours IN QUESTION IIRC


I just posted the exact quote and it was THE 8 HOURS IN QUESTION, not Ron's 8 hours. I don't know why it is being spun so hard. Well.....I do but I'll leave it there.

[Motomom]

I just posted the exact quote and it was THE 8 HOURS IN QUESTION, not Ron's 8 hours. I don't know why it is being spun so hard. Well.....I do but I'll leave it there.

LOL I saw that Bookie...

I just wish they'd find this little girl.

[bookie]

LOL I saw that Bookie...

I just wish they'd find this little girl.



I believe that is the only thing all of us agree on.

[CC I See]

You are indeed correct in your assessment. Both of these parents have made many mistakes where their children and their own lives are concerned.

And ................. you said it best............Both will pay the price.......Haleigh may have paid the biggest price for their parenting.
Thanks for your insight. jmo

Just curious, why did Haleigh become missing because both of her parents made parenting mistakes? Could it be that nothing they said or did would have changed the outcome, that someone wanted to do harm to Haleigh and did so.

What the parents did or did not do was not a factor. When you start talking about Haleigh paying the price, you are insinuating that somehow these people caused her abduction and perhaps death. You are blaming the victims who happen to be Ron and Crystal and the extended families of both.

The world is full of good and bad parents, when something bad happens the only person or persons who should be blamed are the ones who actually caused it.

[Peaches]

Just curious, why did Haleigh become missing because both of her parents made parenting mistakes? Could it be that nothing they said or did would have changed the outcome, that someone wanted to do harm to Haleigh and did so.

What the parents did or did not do was not a factor. When you start talking about Haleigh paying the price, you are insinuating that somehow these people caused her abduction and perhaps death. You are blaming the victims who happen to be Ron and Crystal and the extended families of both.

The world is full of good and bad parents, when something bad happens the only person or persons who should be blamed are the ones who actually caused it.

bold is mine.

We do not know who should be blamed for Haleigh being missing.jmo

[bookie]

Thank you. Sometimes I think I'm explaining it in greek. According to Nancy Grace show transcript:


snipped per CW's request


I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Ron's mouth if my life depended on it. He married the last person who saw his daughter alive. There is not a justification in the world that would reason as to why Ronald would not question Misty over every single detail regarding the evening his daughter was allegedly "stole".

moo

I don't know that asking why someone chose one bathroom over another would be a big question for me especially if she normally used the other bathroom in the middle of the night. It may be that simple.

[bookie]

I understand, it's hard for you to grasp, but for people like myself and perhaps even Mark Klaas, it's pretty simple.

snipped per CW's request

moo



I wouldn't put you in the same class as Mark Klaas.

If she normally used the other bathroom at night then what does that have to do with Haleigh's disappearance? And if she normally used that other bathroom how is Ron asking her about it going to help find Haleigh?

[Mimi428]

Thank you. Sometimes I think I'm explaining it in greek. According to Nancy Grace show transcript:


GRACE: And we have heard your 911 call. My third question -- why -- has she explained it to you why she didn`t go to the restroom in the middle of night right there in the bedroom`s attached bathroom? It`s kind of all one big, huge master bedroom. Why would she choose to crosses kitchen and go to a different bathroom?

RONALD CUMMINGS: I don`t know, Ms. Nancy. I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you.

He never asked Misty "that side of the story" yet he is adamant that the story that Misty never left the mh is FACT.


GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?

RONALD CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.


I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Ron's mouth if my life depended on it. He married the last person who saw his daughter alive. There is not a justification in the world that would reason as to why Ronald would not question Misty over every single detail regarding the evening his daughter was allegedly "stole".

moo

Eddie Haskell could have taken lessons from him.

I will never understand how a statement like that, from a person who is thought to have enough brain function to not need living assistance, could be interpreted as being benign.

"I`ve never really heard that side of the story, to be honest with you."

[nanieliz]

While I try to remain positive about Haleigh being found alive...I can't help but think back to the infamous Haleigh tattoo and the customized lettering on Ron's truck. I think early on this was an indication that RC knew that Haleigh was not coming back. And I believe that TN was so upset because she also knew the truth. She was truly crushed.

:rose: For Haleigh :rose:


JMO/WWKLS


I agree! MOO
If she comes home safely I'll be the first here to say I was wrong.

[CC I See]

Just curious, why did Haleigh become missing because both of her parents made parenting mistakes? Could it be that nothing they said or did would have changed the outcome, that someone wanted to do harm to Haleigh and did so.

What the parents did or did not do was not a factor. When you start talking about Haleigh paying the price, you are insinuating that somehow these people caused her abduction and perhaps death. You are blaming the victims who happen to be Ron and Crystal and the extended families of both.

The world is full of good and bad parents, when something bad happens the only person or persons who should be blamed are the ones who actually caused it.

bold is mine.

[B]We do not know who should be blamed for Haleigh being missing.jmo

I am so glad you agree and until we know who actually is responsible, maybe you should quit bashing, insinuating and actually accusing this family of being responsible for Haleigh being missing and perhaps death.

Maybe she didn't pay the ultimate price for her parents bad parenting..... that is an outright accusation.

[bookie]

I don't mind where you put me bookie, makes absolutely no difference to me.

Staying ON TOPIC, my point isn't about which bathroom Misty used, my point is that Ronald continues to be evasive when insinuating he hasn't so much as even questioned Misty about said events. Why do you think that is? What excuse could you possibly offer up as to being a good excuse why Ronald doesn't ask Misty the 1 million questions surround the night Haleigh vanished?

moo



He said he hadn't heard about that part. That part was NG asking about why she was going to use the other bathroom. You've chose to spin that to mean he didn't ask her about anything.

[bookie]

OMG you are stretching it today LOL

THE 8 hours in question NOT that he was at work 8 hours. his boss and other employee's have already said he was at work the WHOLE shift. Do you think everyone's lying for Ron?


You are wasting your time. I posted Bowling's exact quote and it's still being spun into Ron only worked 8 hours.

[Peaches]

I am so glad you agree and until we know who actually is responsible, maybe you should quit bashing, insinuating and actually accusing this family of being responsible for Haleigh being missing and perhaps death.

Maybe she didn't pay the ultimate price for her parents bad parenting..... that is an outright accusation.


I ONLY agree that you or no one posting here know who did what / if anything to Haleigh.

And.................these parents have failed their children IMO with their bad choices.

jmo

[bookie]

Yes ma'am i think i'm going to just use my ignore button today because people are really stretching and twisting today...


I'm going to have to update mine when I get back online. Nasty storm headed here. I've lost power twice in the last 30 minutes.

[bookie]

How could he not hear about "that part"? Why wouldn't he know every single detail that happened by then? This wasn't a day or two later, this was a full month later, plus a few days.

Still can't come up with an answer as to why Ronald wouldn't know about the bathroom and other questions, this isn't the only question Ron copped this excuse with and you know it. But a great attempt to spin it, nonetheless.

A man whose daughter is found missing in the middle of the night, chooses not to drill a million questions towards the teenage babysitter that night, whom he ultimately married just 30 days after his 5 year old daughter vanished into thin air. Amazing.

My opinions only


Do you know which bathroom she normally used in the middle of the night? If she always used the other one why would he question her about using the bathroom she always used? Get it yet?

[Peaches]

I'm going to have to update mine when I get back online. Nasty storm headed here. I've lost power twice in the last 30 minutes.


Stay safe.............

[Peaches]

My bold.

IMO, thats the answer to some of Ron and Crystals problems.



I have notice ..................... many parents blame others when their child does something wrong................never their own child.

I think this is what Marie does ............... Ron gets all the blame for Crystal's wrong decisions.

jmo

[titanfan217]

What details didn't she know about?

The same details we still don't know might be a start.

If one of my grandsons disappeared, and I started hearing rumors that they had been left alone, my attitude would change. Not to mention all the other details that have been hashed over and over again as discrepancies. And the babysitter may have been on drugs the previous weekend, you're right my attitude would change fast.


This just in -- another amber alert in Florida -- 14 yr old -- Krystal Borrego -- Homestead FL

[titanfan217]

No, CC, her father lives in the same town/city as Ron. She could have stayed with them...............she also said she had other relatives.

So..............it does not fly with me that she had no other option but live so far away.

jmo


It's one thing to stay with someone temporarily and something completely different to move in especially with children. That's a personal decision between father & daughter, or are we saying that it's automatically the dad's responsiblity.

[Motomom]

My bold.

IMO, thats the answer to some of Ron and Crystals problems.

I agree with you here.. she set the wheels in motion for the allegations of abuse as well. If ron and Crystal had any "bond" left between one another, rest assured, Marie took care of that IMO of course.

[titanfan217]

Why wouldn't he? Remember, he doesn't know anything, he was at work. Why wouldn't he question her over and over, hoping for any clue? Instead he sticks with the story from the beginning, even though he hasn't asked Misty questions, vital questions and is convinced that "someone came in and stold my child" yet not one sign of a breakin, Jr doesn't wake up, Misty doesn't wake up, Haleigh doesn't make a peep, dog's don't bark, even though there are many dogs in that neighborhood.

Instead, Misty gets up to *use the bathroom* or was it originally *to get a drink of water*, at almost the exact time Ronald is pulling into the yard.

And I'm the one reaching? Ha! I find that extremely amusing.

moo

You're not reaching.

I gave up on the "work defense" when he said he was at work when MC talked with LC before or after he insisted that cousin wasn't at his MH that night when he really was suppose to be at work. Does he have a web cam? If so, that should show who did take Haleigh?

[Motomom]

My kids work and play hard all day, and a toilet flushing would NEVER wake them. What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. Why do you keep applying your life as facts and proof of why they did what they did?

Ok so since it never woke your kids, it wakes none? Our opinions come from our living experiences.. at least mine do. This is called discussion. She's giving an explanation as to why possibly, misty used a different bathroom, or what have you.

[dustyk]

Does anyone know if the LE have issued a statement saying they are satisfied with Crystal and Chads whereabouts for the night Haleigh went missing?


TIA
no just that they are dissatisfied with Misty's.IMO

[dustyk]

now now now we have no proof of that and CW has asked us nicely not to talk about gossip or rumors.......:sneaky:
not gossip or rumor Greg admitted to it.IMO

[HouseOfClark]

When did Ron call himself "father of the year"? and maybe Misty got her GED......

Ron referred to himself as "the better parent".

As for Misty and her GED, when last we heard she had checked it out and decided not to go - probably because of her child care activities she wouldn't have had the time. JMO

I don't think one can get a GED in two months. Not really familiar with them, but would think you would have to have a basic skills set in English and Math in addition to actual classes you have to take. And pass.

If you have proof that she's gotten it though, please post it because her own words say that she hasn't.

[HouseOfClark]

not gossip or rumor Greg admitted to it.IMO

I believe the police said Misty admitted to it too. Of course, it was on AH's site and there was a name of an officer quoted....

The question is WHEN did she admit to it?

[dustyk]

And he passed a lie detector test! So this is not a rumor! :thumbsup:
Yep ITA deliverance

[HouseOfClark]

Concerning GED

One can take the test anytime it's given. However, they do have classes which is usually 1/2 days a week. Many take the test first, then just take the necessary courses they need work in.

Is that according to the Florida Department of Education?

In my state, you cannot "test out" of classes, you take the full program for GED. You can "test out" of classes if you already have a diploma or GED and you are entering community college.

Do you know if Misty has completed the GED program in Florida?

[?noanswer]

http://findhaleighnow.com/

The no. of hits on this site is up to 2339. This is about 230 hits in the last 18/20 hr. period. Yesterday there were 65 hits in about 12 hrs. AH has a link to this site in his last article. Wonder if that is why the count has gone up. JMO

[dustyk]

I posted a link last night. Its Misty's TIMELINE only they have a problem with.
oh I hadn't heard they were satisfied she was even there. IMO

[2boysMom]

And he passed a lie detector test! So this is not a rumor! :thumbsup:

Did WBG really pass a lie detector test, or did he just say that?

[seeker]

Did WBG really pass a lie detector test, or did he just say that?

Jumping in. Is Greg a viable suspect in the disappearance of Haleigh? Last I heard was that they are looking at those who surrounded Haleigh. If we can go by the information provided in the press, Greg knew Misty outside of her relationship with Ron and was someone new in her life.

my thoughts are that this man has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

my opinion

[HouseOfClark]

Not true. Ron said the JUDGE said he was the better parent and that's why he got custody and from what i read in the court records that sounds about right.

you don't have to take classes for a GED. You just fill out the paperwork and you can go whenever they give the test. and i haven't seen ANYONE say she got her GED i just said how do you know she DIDN't.



http://www.floridaliteracy.org/ged_information__faq.html

From your link:

GED examinees must be at least 18 years of age or older unless they have received a GED age waiver by a local educational agency.

So that's one thing she would have already had to have done because she's only 17.

Also from your link:

What subjects are included?
The GED (General Educational Development) consists of a battery of five tests. Four of the five tests are multiple choice, covering mathematics, social studies, science, and interpretation of literature. The fifth test requires writing an essay. The GED tests measure communication, information processing, problem solving, and critical thinking skills.

Language Arts – Reading (40 items)
Language Arts – Writing includes two parts (50 items + essay)
Mathematics (56 items)
Science (50 items)
Social Studies (50 items)


Do you believe Misty could pass all five tests, in one sitting, without having taken some kind of preparatory class(es)? I don't. JMO, MOO. Remember, this is the same person that didn't know what "numerical" or "inconsistencies" meant.

And Ron may have said that the judge said he was the better parent, but is that quote or ruling from the jduge anywhere in those court transcripts?

[?noanswer]

Did WBG really pass a lie detector test, or did he just say that?

If you were in his shoes, what would you do? JMO

[2boysMom]

Jumping in. Is Greg a viable suspect in the disappearance of Haleigh? Last I heard was that they are looking at those who surrounded Haleigh. If we can go by the information provided in the press, Greg knew Misty outside of her relationship with Ron and was someone new in her life.

my thoughts are that this man has absolutely nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

my opinion

My thoughts are that he was not believable in that interview and should not be ruled out.

Still waiting for an answer ...did he really pass a LDT?

[sleuth]

For some reason the post are locked. I have one url for you
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/john-neves-648.html?searchform=name&&PHPSESSID=e8a87a77a39d72b73f1191909cb6c33d
this is where I found his new wife and their address. I have another with the annocement of their new baby daughter from their church. Hard to share imfo with sporatic locking.

[Themis]

For some reason the post are locked. I have one url for you
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/john-neves-648.html?searchform=name&&PHPSESSID=e8a87a77a39d72b73f1191909cb6c33d
this is where I found his new wife and their address. I have another with the annocement of their new baby daughter from their church. Hard to share imfo with sporatic locking.
Thank you, Sleuth, for the information and link; I do appreciate it. Florida's unique sunshine laws have been a relevation to me. The sleuthing knowledge and skills of posters on this message board have been impressive. [Themis]

[HouseOfClark]

ohhhhhhhhh yes and we all know Art would never lie or get things wrong lol

So Dominic Piscatello did or did not say the following in regards to Misty:

According to Piscatello, who cites “conflicts” in her account of the night Haleigh disappeared, the only thing she’s ever confessed to is partying the weekend before Haleigh vanished.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/28/exclusive-haleigh-could-be-alive-top-cop/#more-1755

[HouseOfClark]

wow some how you must think i like Misty,...I can't stand the little girl. i'm NOT defending her so you can take your stuff to someone else.

I never thought you defended Misty. Your post indicated that you didn't believe anything on AH's site so I was just asking your opinion of that quote.

No need to get snarky.

[sleuth]

http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=55907879

[Peaches]

the link says



I'm sure she could get a waiver.

and the court docs are in the link section...makes for some great read. enjoy.



FA, as I have said before, education is a way up. Of course, this is moo.

You know that saying........if you can read this, thank a teacher.

Many jobs require a high school education or a GED. You can even go to college - after talking college entrance test - with a GED.

College is not for everyone............what I mean by this is some just do not want to go to college but they can go to a Tech school to obtain a trade..........thus a good living for themself and their family.

Many women go to school after marriage.............as far as that goes so do men. My DIL is in school now getting an advanced degree.

Just like money............education is the same..........one can never have too much!

MOO

[Abbie]

From your link:



So that's one thing she would have already had to have done because she's only 17.

Also from your link:



Do you believe Misty could pass all five tests, in one sitting, without having taken some kind of preparatory class(es)? I don't. JMO, MOO. Remember, this is the same person that didn't know what "numerical" or "inconsistencies" meant.

And Ron may have said that the judge said he was the better parent, but is that quote or ruling from the jduge anywhere in those court transcripts?

My bold

Do you think the judge gave Ron custody because he wasn't the better parent??

no. I think it was because he had health insurabnce for the kids and Midty did not,

[WhiteShark]

Ron AND Misty have had 3 months to get their story straight, yet they do nothing to help aid in finding Haleigh. Gee, I wonder why that is?:confused:

moo

they do nothing?............have you even been following this case? Both sides have searched and been poly'd, etc........I think both sides have cooperatered.......perhaps some research on the early days of this case is in order for some.

[WhiteShark]

.........snipped for space....... It only shows that what a great person Crystal is, that when she was faced with great devastation she could put aside her own feelings and work with someone she shared a common bond with......snipped for space only.

I would think that if I had a history of seizures (no longer taking meds) and admitted drug use in the past, I certainly would not be driving my little baby around in a several thousand pound weapon endangering not only my life, but my baby's life.......yes, crystal did just this.
I do think crystal tried very hard to put whatever feelings she had aside in the beginning of this nightmare, it just became to hard for her to keep it up. I also don't think her mother helped crystal hold it together at all, she just fed the ill will between RC and crystal, because crystal lost custody in a court of law, and was in big time arrears in her child support.

[HouseOfClark]

where did i say i don't believe ANYTHING on Art's site?

It was the impression I got from reading your post(s). Like this one:

ohhhhhhhhh yes and we all know Art would never lie or get things wrong lol

[Mel]

http://lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=55907879

thanks for this link, sleuth

i was curious about the details

[Mel]

Thank you, Sleuth, for the information and link; I do appreciate it. Florida's unique sunshine laws have been a relevation to me. The sleuthing knowledge and skills of posters on this message board have been impressive. [Themis]

i agree!

..............

[Mel]

well you were wrong. and i said that because Art does stretch the truth some times thats why he's being sued and don't you remember all that bull stuff he posted about Ron sending jr to LURE the baby out ?


but i have a question for you.....Have the LE said they are satisfied with Crystal and Chads whereabouts for the night Haleigh went missing?

very early on LE said they verified Crystal's whereabouts, during the time Haleigh went missing..you'd have to hunt the media links from the very beginning to find this info, but it's there..
Chad wasn't mentioned, as far as i can remember

[Peaches]

well you were wrong. and i said that because Art does stretch the truth some times thats why he's being sued and don't you remember all that bull stuff he posted about Ron sending jr to LURE the baby out ?


but i have a question for you.....Have the LE said they are satisfied with Crystal and Chads whereabouts for the night Haleigh went missing?

I do not believe everything.........well, really not much of what Art writes..............I am waiting for LE to let me know what the truth is in this case. MOO

We have seen more than once something he has written turns out not to be the truth. jmo

At this moment, we do not know who "stole" Haleigh! moo

[Peaches]

not gossip or rumor Greg admitted to it.IMO


Always 2 sides to the story...............can you link me to Misty's side?TIA I guess I missed it.moo

[MrLucky917B]

Ok i can't find where LE have verified where Crystal was that night. does anyone have a link? Thank you very much

and IF they did verify where she was that night why haven't they cleared her?

Is there an official list anywhere of who has been cleared in this case?

[?noanswer]

Always 2 sides to the story...............can you link me to Misty's side?TIA I guess I missed it.moo

I can't understand how anyone could take what WBG, AB, & NN as the gospel truth especially since they were talking to a reporter and not in a court of law. Lots of people put down the family members for their actions, but I think these 3 peoples actions are as bad or worse than family members. JMO

[?noanswer]

well IMO Cobra must have really stepped over the line because he's been laying low the past few days and he said the LE talked to him about some stuff.

i'm really shocked Cobra, TJH nor Art have spoke a word about Amber being re-arrested.

i'm also a little surprised Kim hasn't been on tv lately. and everyone keeps saying Crystals doing tons to find Haleigh well why hasn't she been on tv either?

i have lots of unanswered questions today BUT i still feel like Misty knows more then what she's saying.


MOO

I'm not sure, but am wondering if LE might have taken then out behind the wood shed. TJH said LE talked to him about what he had said on his blog. LE said they were bombarded with calls because people thought he was saying they had arrested someone for Haleigh's disappearance. Wouldn't it be a hoot if WBG, AB, & NN filed suit for slander? JMO

[Peaches]

I can't understand how anyone could take what WBG, AB, & NN as the gospel truth especially since they were talking to a reporter and not in a court of law. Lots of people put down the family members for their actions, but I think these 3 peoples actions are as bad or worse than family members. JMO


Boy............you are so right about this! Thanks for showing why we should not believe all the rumors whether written or aired. jmo

[?noanswer]

Honestly i wouldn't be shocked if Crystal sued TJH for saying she was hitting on him.


MOO

The three musketeers have pushed things to the limit for sure. JMO

[seeker]

Ok i can't find where LE have verified where Crystal was that night. does anyone have a link? Thank you very much

and IF they did verify where she was that night why haven't they cleared her?

FA,

Based upon your questions above, what would satisfy you?

If I, or someone else, goes to the work of finding this link that says law enforcement verifies Crystal's whereabouts that night, what kind of an answer, that wouldn't be speculation, would you accept about Crystal being cleared?

Are you basically just asking a question that you believe cannot be answered to your satisfaction? If so, Why?

If not, what is is that you want?

There are so many here that are willing to search for answers and provide to you whatever information out there that is available.

What exactly do you want?

my thoughts and questions

[Peaches]

Honestly i wouldn't be shocked if Crystal sued TJH for saying she was hitting on him.


MOO


If in fact this is untrue, her attorney should call him on it.

Rumors can ruin a person's life. And, to me, it is not funny.

jmoo

[seeker]

This is a strange comment



http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090214/ARTICLES/902140964/0/ENTERTAINMENT05


Let me guess.........marie's scared of Ron?:glare:

Are you mocking a woman who desires to do what she feels is right? Are you mocking a woman who might truly have reason to feel afraid?

I am asking you, FA, as many times here you have shared your past experiences with a violent man and you, of all people, I would think, would have empathy for ANY woman who was afraid of a man she believes to be violent.

But, as always, these are just my thoughts about that and these are my opinions.

[seeker]

Hold on a moment,....I'm just asking questions i don't know the answers to. have you heard the LE say they know where Crystal was that night? I sure haven't and i'm going through all the links right now. If it's there i'll find it :thumbsup: and like i've said before i do NOT think Ron or Crystal were involved in Haleighs disappearance. IMO Misty holds the key to ALL this.


Why is it ok for people to ask about Ron and his WHOLE family but i can't ask about Crystal?

FA, I don't like to argue. Questions about everyone, asked in a sincere way, I can see. That's why we're here, I believe.

Your quote above was you responding to my asking what kind of answer would satisfy you; not my saying that you shouldn't be asking questions.

Just to be clear.

my thoughts

[Peaches]

Per LE they don't give out results of lie detector tests..

WBG can only speak for himself. IMO
Anything he says about Misty and what Misty may have said and done is EAR-say.

When and if there's ever a link to what MISTY says about where Misty was during that alleged 3 day party, I'll be interested to read.

Till then, not so much.

So will I.

[titanfan217]

Per LE they don't give out results of lie detector tests..

WBG can only speak for himself. IMO
Anything he says about Misty and what Misty may have said and done is EAR-say.

When and if there's ever a link to what MISTY says about where Misty was during that alleged 3 day party, I'll be interested to read.

Till then, not so much.

Has MC or anyone else disputed what is being said about the so-called "wild weekend"?

[MrLucky917B]

not sure. but i think so far only two have been cleared.

Has anything ever been mentioned about the A/C guy that was at the home that day, did he notice anything strange?

[MrLucky917B]

You don't want anyone talking about Crystal or her family? That's kind of strange. and as far as i know you haven't taken over CW's job so you have no control of the message board. so i'm going to keep asking my questions and hunting for answers.


Does anyone know if they found that missing sex offender?


TY


MOO

If your talking about Chad Reynolds, nope they haven't dug him up yet..

JMO

[?noanswer]

Has anything ever been mentioned about the A/C guy that was at the home that day, did he notice anything strange?


I have not seen anything official about the a/c guy. AFIK, his identity has never been revealed. JMO

[calamitygirl]

This picture just amazes me..........How could she hold on to Ron like that?

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090215/ARTICLES/902151007/1118?Title=Officials_press_on_with_Haleigh_search


and look at Rons head leaning towards her...I swear i think these two would still be together if it wasn't for other family members.

Hi FallenAngel, it sure seems to appear that way.

[calamitygirl]

Are you mocking a woman who desires to do what she feels is right? Are you mocking a woman who might truly have reason to feel afraid?

I am asking you, FA, as many times here you have shared your past experiences with a violent man and you, of all people, I would think, would have empathy for ANY woman who was afraid of a man she believes to be violent.

But, as always, these are just my thoughts about that and these are my opinions.



Hi seeker, do you think crystals mother is afraid of ron?

[panache]

Kimball & Snider also say that they have heard speculation that Crystal Sheffield received "a substantial amount of money" from Geraldo at Large, the show for which Craig Rivera conducted the interview. They add that they do not know any of that to be fact.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134771&catid=3


Yep IMO that's why her whole story changed. I wonder how much she got.

Then that would be a rumor wouldn't it? And coming from an atty. no less.

BTW, Geraldo went on Fox News and vehemently denied Crystal received any compensation. As a matter of fact, if you really, really want to know, go to Fox.net and ask if they compensate anyone who appears on their cable channel.

moo

[calamitygirl]

It is not rumors and gossip just because you want it to be. It is backed up by witnesses who were there.

HomeFree, is this misty and greg your talking about? If so, these witnesses saw the action between them?