May 1 thru 3

[Toggie]

Tiffany was DWI????? Wow...has she been charged or are charges pending?

IIRC, two men were found lying on the side of the road when this accident happened. Do you know if they were with her or just two innocent bystanders?

Drinking & driving:ohmy: and now she can't walk. Good grief people should not get behind the wheel of a vehicle after consuming too much alcohol.:angry:

[VictimHelp]

He isn't costing the state of AZ anymore money than any other criminal. If you are so concerned then send a letter to the courts and ask them to let him leave the state.

He is COSTING way more than the average criminal.

[VictimHelp]

Exactly where did I say I'm blaming the victims? It's not like we are making up this stuff about Tim. Since you seem to be so close with Tanya, please read them to her. I'm not telling her anything she can't read in the police reports. I'm sure everything she reads here is the first time she has heard it...right.

Most other sites are considerate of the victim rather than the killer, IMO.

[VictimHelp]

There were no prints on the gun...that means his were not there either. Check you facts.
You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

[VictimHelp]

I'm sure it will not pay once they get the police report and find out she was drinking and driving. Request the police report.

Again you're wrong, I know the DPS guy and she wasn't cited for anything. Nice to spread viscious rumors though!

[GentleBreeze]

I'm sure it will not pay once they get the police report and find out she was drinking and driving. Request the police report.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?:confused: I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

[VictimHelp]

Incorrect...again check your facts.

You check your facts he had GSR consistent with being the shooter...

[VictimHelp]

Tiffany was DWI????? Wow...has she been charged or are charges pending?

IIRC, two men were found lying on the side of the road when this accident happened. Do you know if they were with her or just two innocent bystanders?

Drinking & driving:ohmy: and now she can't walk. Good grief people should not get behind the wheel of a vehicle after consuming too much alcohol.:angry:

You guys spread so much BS....again blame the victim. DPS didn't charge her with anything because she didn't do anything. She wasn't charged with DWI. The two men you are talking about was unrelated miles down the road, good grief....ask DPS yourself, she just swerved to miss an animal in the road.

I think posters related to Eryn are just trying to smear, Tim, Vince and TR.

[VictimHelp]

Kind of an irresponsible decision on the part of any sole provider of a family...especially if it is so cheap.

More BS.....now you want to call Vince irresponsible about insurance. Blame everyone except CR....wow!

[VictimHelp]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?:confused: I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

I think stampgal just wants to blame the victims instead of CR....

[VictimHelp]

GB, I still want to know why this confessed, and pled to guilty, double killer is still LOOSE on the streets to commit a third or fourth murder????????????

GB, I still want to know why the courts haven't taken the boy away from his bio, having violated probation and was living with a felon, having not provided for his education, by not hiring a tutor????

I think she has time to do paid interviews and book deals but doesn't have time for her two children to raise them properly. I think It's just sickening seeing the boy loose everywhere in St. Johns. I just think it's sickening when playmates of CR repeat his grizzly details of the killing to other students at school.

[VictimHelp]

Wow some posters here AMAZE me. They use every opportunity to bash Tim, TR, Vince, Tonya, etc.....these people aren't on trial for double murder...CR admitted to doing it, no one else admitted it, no one else was at the scene of the crime, no one else was charged by police, no one else took a plea deal.

[GentleBreeze]

You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

I think that whole thing is rather silly. It is as if saying that if prints are unidentifiable on a weapon that MUST MEAN the suspect didn't do it. Hog wash. Defendants would love for jurors to believe that though, I am sure.

For years we have heard Beth Karas state that most of the time prints are not identifiable on firearms. In a recent IS case where a woman was accused of shooting and killing her husband and then made it look like a suicide, they found 7 latent prints on the gun. Guess What? None were identifiable. None of hers could be identified and none belonging to the husband that according to her was holding the weapon when it was fired. So I guess that must mean that both are lying and she way lying about him committing suicide and the state was lying because her prints weren't identifiable. LOL! There is a whole lot of defendants sitting in prison where they never could retrieve identifiable prints off the weapon but hey, there are a lot of them there where the weapon was never found either.

All it means is the fingerprints found on the pea shooter were unidentifiable. Which could happen for a myriad of reasons from smudge prints to the gun being swiped up against clothing etc.

But even from a smudge print experts can get some idea how large the fingers where. Didn't they recommend that further prints be gotten from the boy? Did we ever get to see those additional results??? So imo, they knew the prints they were looking at were very small.



imo

[VictimHelp]

I think that whole thing is rather silly. It is as if saying that if prints are unidentifiable on a weapon that MUST MEAN the suspect didn't do it. Hog wash. Defendants would love for jurors to believe that though, I am sure.

For years we have heard Beth Karas state that most of the time prints are not identifiable on firearms. In a recent IS case where a woman was accused of shooting and killing her husband and then made it look like a suicide, they found 7 latent prints on the gun. Guess What? None were identifiable. None of hers could be identified and none belonging to the husband that according to her was holding the weapon when it was fired. So I guess that must mean that both are lying and she way lying about him committing suicide and the state was lying because her prints weren't identifiable. LOL! There is a whole lot of defendants sitting in prison where they never could retrieve identifiable prints off the weapon but hey, there are a lot of them there where the weapon was never found either.

All it means is the fingerprints found on the pea shooter were unidentifiable. Which could happen for a myriad of reasons from smudge prints to the gun being swiped up against clothing etc.

But even from a smudge print experts can get some idea how large the fingers where. Didn't they recommend that further prints be gotten from the boy? Did we ever get to see those additional results??? So imo, they knew the prints they were looking at were very small.



imo

I agree...it is too bad they didn't get more prints before the case was pled out...and it would have been 1 more nail in the proverbial coffin.

[VictimHelp]

Just take my words and change the names. Do you have an original thought Big Victimhelp

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

[GentleBreeze]

GB, I still want to know why this confessed, and pled to guilty, double killer is still LOOSE on the streets to commit a third or fourth murder????????????

GB, I still want to know why the courts haven't taken the boy away from his bio, having violated probation and was living with a felon, having not provided for his education, by not hiring a tutor????

I think she has time to do paid interviews and book deals but doesn't have time for her two children to raise them properly. I think It's just sickening seeing the boy loose everywhere in St. Johns. I just think it's sickening when playmates of CR repeat his grizzly details of the killing to other students at school.

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo

[VictimHelp]

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo

A lot of the teachers have been sending emails to their friends to write letters to Judge Roca, the other judege, the Pros Atty and defnse atty to ask the boy not be readmitted....and for good reason. Can you imagine if CR was on the playground with other girls and boys and pushed a kid off the monkey bars or something like that?

[newwriter]

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

well, I don't think you know who stampgal is!

[VictimHelp]

well, I don't think you know who stampgal is!

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

[newwriter]

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

no, you can't know it :biggrin:

[VictimHelp]

Whatever....new identity...

[dgfred]

I agree...it is too bad they didn't get more prints before the case was pled out...and it would have been 1 more nail in the proverbial coffin.

Yeah, everyone noticed how thorough and professional they were in this investigation from the start.

Funny they would plea deal if the case was so solid, even you can see that.

Why would any judge in their right mind see all the available information about an accused dad killer then permit the boy to plead to one death (not the father) and go and live with his mom? What if something happened to the mom... can you see the problem with this decision?

If the case was so good against the boy, why not release a little evidence that absolutely shows beyond a doubt that he killed these two men? Why not release the information on whether another gun is missing from the house or one of Tim's guns is missing? Not information that 'doesn't rule the boy out' or 'is consistent' with the boy doing all the shooting?

Total brushover of the case (not a complete coverup) but a just get this done with and move on attitude instead of a search for the complete truth. The people of StJohn's should demand the investigation be reopened and the absolute truths be found.

[stampgal]

You guys spread so much BS....again blame the victim. DPS didn't charge her with anything because she didn't do anything. She wasn't charged with DWI. The two men you are talking about was unrelated miles down the road, good grief....ask DPS yourself, she just swerved to miss an animal in the road.

I think posters related to Eryn are just trying to smear, Tim, Vince and TR.

Correct...not charged with DUI because they cannot tell when she was drinking. There is a between driving and being charged...
Wow you know everyone in this case...

[stampgal]

More BS.....now you want to call Vince irresponsible about insurance. Blame everyone except CR....wow!


Where do you keep getting this blame BS. No one is blaming anyone.

[stampgal]

You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

I did not misquote you...go read your post the word box is not mentioned once, secondly you exact quote was his gun his prints.

[stampgal]

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

Perplex me....please. If your mom and dad have the last name Romero then you know what I am saying is true. You know there was no money for the interviews, you know she was drinking and driving yet there were no charges, you know that Eryn was not the only one to be reimbursed for her expenses to Phoenix for evaluations...oh my...then you know Leroy has only had one visit with CR this year.
I don't care if you think you know who I am...tell me who you are and I'll tell you who I am. I've told you this since the beginning.

[stampgal]

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

Really who am I? Don't hide behind your keyboard...call me out. I will tell you if your right or wrong.

[stampgal]

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo
http://www.kpho.com/news/19337391/detail.html
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/138621


Here's the article I read. Doesn't say anything, not even an implication of thinking of the kids as a group, or teacher worried. Do you have a link to the article you read previously.

[stampgal]

I think stampgal just wants to blame the victims instead of CR....


Think what you want...I'm not blaming anyone. Why do you think because I mention Tiffany was Drinking an driving that I'm blaming her. Go read my posts...I want to know why...I know WHAT...good grief.

[stampgal]

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

You PM and tell me who you think I am. I will be totally honest with you. I am completely unrelated to this family in anyway shape or form. You wuold not know me from the neighbor next door.

[Toggie]

Correct...not charged with DUI because they cannot tell when she was drinking. There is a between driving and being charged...
Wow you know everyone in this case...


Gee, I asked if Tiffany was charged and now we are accused of spreading BS.:confused:

I think it's a valid question because of the injuries sustained...I would assume blood work would have been done when she was admitted at the ER...I realize a field sobriety test was out of the question but if there was any question of being under the influence....wouldn't a simple blood test be done?

[GentleBreeze]

Tiff can not get his SSI, They did not own a home togather the house is in her name. In AZ you must be married for atleast 2 years to collect SSI, not 2 months

I wasn't talking about his SSI. I am sure she has been employed before herself. Didn't she work at some doctor's office at the time this happened?

And I am sure she has worked before then ....since she was able to get the home loan on her own before she married Vinnie.

imo

[trofanji]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?:confused: I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

[GentleBreeze]

Gee, I asked if Tiffany was charged and now we are accused of spreading BS.:confused:

I think it's a valid question because of the injuries sustained...I would assume blood work would have been done when she was admitted at the ER...I realize a field sobriety test was out of the question but if there was any question of being under the influence....wouldn't a simple blood test be done?

Of course they checked for drugs and alcohol. This is standard procedure before they administer any medication they have to know that.... as it could change what medications they give her.

The ER does it all the time when a vehicle accident happens. They even test other passengers in the vehicles that were also in the wreck. If Tiffany had alcohol beyond the legal limit then the police would know that.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

[trofanji]

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

Sorry, I don't speak about Tiffany, I speak about driving drunk in general.

[stampgal]

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

I'm sorry she was in this accident. This is often the cause when one is drinking and they over compensate. Innocent people are killed eveyday. It could have been a lot worse.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.kpho.com/news/19337391/detail.html
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/138621


Here's the article I read. Doesn't say anything, not even an implication of thinking of the kids as a group, or teacher worried. Do you have a link to the article you read previously.

It was one written around the first of April after the last hearing.

But this does seem to confirm my opinion that the school district did not want him back in their school system since he is going to be taught at the juvenile detention center and receive no credit for it.

In the last hearing before Roca made this ruling he wanted to know the school's answer "yes or no". Since he is off to detention to go to school it is obvious the school system said "no" and yes I certainly do believe the school thought of the other children and how it would affect them if he attended there.

JMO tho

[stampgal]

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

That's why I said request the police report.

[stampgal]

It was one written around the first of April after the last hearing.

But this does seem to confirm my opinion that the school district did not want him back in their school system since he is going to be taught at the juvenile detention center and receive no credit for it.

In the last hearing before Roca made this ruling he wanted to know the school's answer "yes or no". Since he is off to detention to go to school it is obvious the school system said "no" and yes I certainly do believe the school thought of the other children and how it would affect them if he attended there.

JMO tho


That is not what the article says though. So we interpret it differently.

[GentleBreeze]

Sorry, I don't speak about Tiffany, I speak about driving drunk in general.

Well I certainly agree with that as well but first I have to know if the person is guilty of that and if the accident was caused by excessive alcohol.

People can be sober as a Judge and over-correct their vehicles especially if they see something in the road or let their vehicle drift close to the shoulder.

So over correcting sure doesn't mean the driver was intoxicated.

My brother is a semi truck driver for UPS...he has told me that over correcting is one of the main reasons for so many wrecks and weaving in and out of traffic.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

That's why I said request the police report.

Why? It wouldn't change my opinion of Tiffany or how I think she has lost everything in just a few short months.

If she was or wasn't isn't important to me. No one else was involved in the accident. It is what it is and has left a very young woman paralyzed and for that my heart breaks for her and all that she has gone through in these past months.

I wish her nothing but the brightest of blessings and I hope she improves.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Yeah, everyone noticed how thorough and professional they were in this investigation from the start.

Funny they would plea deal if the case was so solid, even you can see that.

Why would any judge in their right mind see all the available information about an accused dad killer then permit the boy to plead to one death (not the father) and go and live with his mom? What if something happened to the mom... can you see the problem with this decision?

If the case was so good against the boy, why not release a little evidence that absolutely shows beyond a doubt that he killed these two men? Why not release the information on whether another gun is missing from the house or one of Tim's guns is missing? Not information that 'doesn't rule the boy out' or 'is consistent' with the boy doing all the shooting?

Total brushover of the case (not a complete coverup) but a just get this done with and move on attitude instead of a search for the complete truth. The people of StJohn's should demand the investigation be reopened and the absolute truths be found.

So are you saying that no DA anywhere has the evidence in 90% of the cases in America? Hmmm now that is strange especially when 90% of defendants plead guilty and plea their case down to a lesser degree.:confused:

imo

[dgfred]

GB, I still want to know why this confessed, and pled to guilty, double killer is still LOOSE on the streets to commit a third or fourth murder????????????

GB, I still want to know why the courts haven't taken the boy away from his bio, having violated probation and was living with a felon, having not provided for his education, by not hiring a tutor????

I think she has time to do paid interviews and book deals but doesn't have time for her two children to raise them properly. I think It's just sickening seeing the boy loose everywhere in St. Johns. I just think it's sickening when playmates of CR repeat his grizzly details of the killing to other students at school.


Because the judge deemed the boy that supposidly shot and killed his father would be more than ok living with his mom. Think about it.

What does that crap have to do with anything. If anybody should be thoroughly questioned about their handling of the boy it would be Tiffany.

The boy has NOT been loose everywhere in StJohns, you are wrong.

When would it have been possible for the boy to repeat the grizzly details to other students when he hasn't even been back to the school at all... jeez, nice try (but not really). You are just spouting nonsense.
Not even worth further replies.

[dgfred]

So are you saying that no DA anywhere has the evidence in 90% of the cases in America? Hmmm now that is strange especially when 90% of defendants plead guilty and plea their case down to a lesser degree.:confused:

imo

What??? So are YOU saying that the DA had enough evidence to convict the boy of two murders, but let him plea to negligent homicide on ONE of the victims? Come on GB, you know something is basically wrong with that if that is the case. Seems the case wasn't so airtight, don't ya think?

[stampgal]

Why? It wouldn't change my opinion of Tiffany or how I think she has lost everything in just a few short months.

If she was or wasn't isn't important to me. No one else was involved in the accident. It is what it is and has left a very young woman paralyzed and for that my heart breaks for her and all that she has gone through in these past months.

I wish her nothing but the brightest of blessings and I hope she improves.

imo

I don't think anyone is asking you to change your opinion of her.

[stampgal]

Because the judge deemed the boy that supposidly shot and killed his father would be more than ok living with his mom. Think about it.

What does that crap have to do with anything. If anybody should be thoroughly questioned about their handling of the boy it would be Tiffany.

The boy has NOT been loose everywhere in StJohns, you are wrong.

When would it have been possible for the boy to repeat the grizzly details to other students when he hasn't even been back to the school at all... jeez, nice try (but not really). You are just spouting nonsense.
Not even worth further replies.

This boy is not out running around town...regardless of what on here want you to believe. He begs his mom to let him go to Wilbur's she will not. She is very protective of him.

[stampgal]

Well I certainly agree with that as well but first I have to know if the person is guilty of that and if the accident was caused by excessive alcohol.

People can be sober as a Judge and over-correct their vehicles especially if they see something in the road or let their vehicle drift close to the shoulder.

So over correcting sure doesn't mean the driver was intoxicated.

My brother is a semi truck driver for UPS...he has told me that over correcting is one of the main reasons for so many wrecks and weaving in and out of traffic.

imo

No one said excessive...we said it was drinking and driving...which is a crime in the state of Arizona.

[stampgal]

What??? So are YOU saying that the DA had enough evidence to convict the boy of two murders, but let him plea to negligent homicide on ONE of the victims? Come on GB, you know something is basically wrong with that if that is the case. Seems the case wasn't so airtight, don't ya think?

I certainly think that at a minimum there is enough shotty police work that this might have been thrown out on a technicality. I think this was the goal of both parties. Shotty police work is not exposed and the boy get the therapy he is in such desperate need of.

[GentleBreeze]

What??? So are YOU saying that the DA had enough evidence to convict the boy of two murders, but let him plea to negligent homicide on ONE of the victims? Come on GB, you know something is basically wrong with that if that is the case. Seems the case wasn't so airtight, don't ya think?

Yes, that is what I am saying.

Where do you suggest they put him? He is the youngest double murder defendant ever in this country as far as I know. He is way way too young for juvenile detention where the kids are at least an average of 3years older than him. In juvenile detention they don't lock kids away in solitary confinement like they were having to do with this kid at first and Roca knew it was not working. Juvenile detention is for groups of juveniles to interact together in all types of activities. He didnt fit in with them and they didnt fit in with him.

Nope not a thing wrong with the evidence imo but the defendant just happened to start killing at the age of 8 which stood the juvenile system on its head. These kind of cases don't belong in juvenile court and Roca said that over and over.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think anyone is asking you to change your opinion of her.

Then why bring that up?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Because the judge deemed the boy that supposidly shot and killed his father would be more than ok living with his mom. Think about it.

What does that crap have to do with anything. If anybody should be thoroughly questioned about their handling of the boy it would be Tiffany.

The boy has NOT been loose everywhere in StJohns, you are wrong.

When would it have been possible for the boy to repeat the grizzly details to other students when he hasn't even been back to the school at all... jeez, nice try (but not really). You are just spouting nonsense.
Not even worth further replies.

VH has never said he told this to someone at the school. Everyone knows he has not been allowed to attend school there. VH has always said that he has contact with other kids while he has been out and that was what he told one of them.

imoo

[stampgal]

Then why bring that up?

imo

Bring what up? That she was drinking and driving? So the only negataive things we can bring up are about Eryn and/or CR.
Or does this not fit into that idealyic fairy tale life that everyone wants to think CR lived in.

[stampgal]

VH has never said he told this to someone at the school. Everyone knows he has not been allowed to attend school there. VH has always said that he has contact with other kids while he has been out and that was what he told one of them.

imoo

That's because he was called out on it. Unfortunately we cannot refer to his other posts under his previous names because they have all been deleted.

[GentleBreeze]

Bring what up? That she was drinking and driving? So the only negative things we can bring up are about Eryn and/or CR.
Or does this not fit into that idealyic fairy tale life that everyone wants to think CR lived in.

I just don't see the point, stampgal. I don't have much to say about Eryn, in a way I feel sorry for her and thinks she has got a long row to hoe.

How does a wreck that left a young woman paralyzed fit in with the case when it happened way after these murders happened?:confused:

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

That's because he was called out on it. Unfortunately we cannot refer to his other posts under his previous names because they have all been deleted.

Called out on it? LOL

All of the posts I have seen has always said that it was someone he had access to while he's been out and then the kid went to school, as kids do and told what CR told him.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

just one word: KARMA

For CR someday?:ohmy:

Yes, I agree that sure is a possibility.:w00t:

imo

[VictimHelp]

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

No one was driving drunk....

[VictimHelp]

just one word: KARMA

I think KARMA will happen to you one day for saying nasty things...

[VictimHelp]

YEAH! He can't go to Saint Johns schools...he has to go to juvie for school....

[VictimHelp]

You guys win....I'm not posting anymore...all you do is attack everyone except the real killer. You guys write hateful things about Tanya. You write hateful things about Tim. You guys write hateful things about Vinnie & Tiffany. Besides no one reads this blog any way except supporters of CR and a handful of people with integrity like GB, EagerGal, Linda and Pena! So have fun wasting your time attacking victims with untrue stories to try to make them look bad so CR can look good. Adios Amigos!

[stampgal]

You guys win....I'm not posting anymore...all you do is attack everyone except the real killer. You guys write hateful things about Tanya. You write hateful things about Tim. You guys write hateful things about Vinnie & Tiffany. Besides no one reads this blog any way except supporters of CR and a handful of people with integrity like GB, EagerGal, Linda and Pena! So have fun wasting your time attacking victims with untrue stories to try to make them look bad so CR can look good. Adios Amigos!


We've heard that before.

[stampgal]

I just don't see the point, stampgal. I don't have much to say about Eryn, in a way I feel sorry for her and thinks she has got a long row to hoe.

How does a wreck that left a young woman paralyzed fit in with the case when it happened way after these murders happened?:confused:

imoo
No GB you don't have much to say about Eryn. It's not you, it's Linda and VH (or whatever name of the week he uses) who continue to bash on Eryn.

It doesn't, it was just a comment and this board ran crazy with it.

[stampgal]

Called out on it? LOL

All of the posts I have seen has always said that it was someone he had access to while he's been out and then the kid went to school, as kids do and told what CR told him.

imo

GB, unfortunately this cannot be proven because he previous posts were deleted. You remember what you will and I remember what I will.

[GentleBreeze]

No GB you don't have much to say about Eryn. It's not you, it's Linda and VH (or whatever name of the week he uses) who continue to bash on Eryn.

It doesn't, it was just a comment and this board ran crazy with it.

Well in all fairness stamp, others have just as much right to not like this boy at all and they have a right to stand up for the victims in this case as others do who supports the boy. They have a right to not want him in their town. If they are from that town they are bound to have opinions about Eryn one way or the other I would think. Not everyone is going to like Eryn or the idea that she wasnt a consistent mother to the boy until now at age 9. I regret it when anyone leaves a board.

I actually am glad that someone has come here from St. John that tries hard to stand up for the ones who lost their lives and the others who's lives has been affected by this tragedy. I really regret that VH has left and I hope he/she does return. I think he/she shows the emotions felt by others who live in the same town as he/she does. Honestly, I wouldnt want my child going to school with this kid either.

In most cases discussed here on IS VH is not a rarity. Very little of the posters usually have sympathy for the defendant. As long as I have been here most of the time the murder victims and their families are given the majority of sympathy and compassion.

I don't really know why it hasn't been the case in this one. Maybe because this case really didn't grab the attention of the majority as some other cases usually do here nor on other sites I post on. It really has been a very different experience for me and I admit, I am not use to seeing the negativity against the victims or the spouses that have been affected by these tragic losses where their lives were changed forever with 10 shots from a gun that happened in such short minutes.

But I do know that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that includes everyone, not just a chosen few.

So I will just continue to voice my own opinion knowing it is the only one I own and I stand firmly on every opinion I make. I do not do it to be contrary but I truly believe that this kid is very bad news and is guilty of these unthinkable crimes.

imo

[Toggie]

You guys win....I'm not posting anymore...all you do is attack everyone except the real killer. You guys write hateful things about Tanya. You write hateful things about Tim. You guys write hateful things about Vinnie & Tiffany. Besides no one reads this blog any way except supporters of CR and a handful of people with integrity like GB, EagerGal, Linda and Pena! So have fun wasting your time attacking victims with untrue stories to try to make them look bad so CR can look good. Adios Amigos!

No one has written anything bad about Tanya. We or shall I say I question what she heard that day. I also question whether or not SHE KNEW her husband was having an affair behind her back. OMG, a person was shot to death and IMO, his character was shady...leads me to believe because I DON'T BELIEVE CR shot the man, someone wanted him dead. Reasonable doubt.


Kindly don't question the integrity of CR's supporters. That is RUDE.

As far as Tiffany goes...it's too bad she crashed her car and can't walk. If she was drinking...well...I have no sympathy for drunk drivers. Have you ever been on the scene of a drunk driving accident? They are not pretty. Innocent people get hurt and some die. IMO, it's stupid to get behind the wheel of a car after consuming too much alcohol. If she wanted to drink and cry in her beer or whatever she was drinking that night, she should have stayed off the road.

[stampgal]

Well in all fairness stamp, others have just as much right to not like this boy at all and they have a right to stand up for the victims in this case as others do who supports the boy. They have a right to not want him in their town. If they are from that town they are bound to have opinions about Eryn one way or the other I would think. Not everyone is going to like Eryn or the idea that she wasnt a consistent mother to the boy until now at age 9. I regret it when anyone leaves a board.

I actually am glad that someone has come here from St. John that tries hard to stand up for the ones who lost their lives and the others who's lives has been affected by this tragedy. I really regret that VH has left and I hope he/she does return. I think he/she shows the emotions felt by others who live in the same town as he/she does. Honestly, I wouldnt want my child going to school with this kid either.

In most cases discussed here on IS VH is not a rarity. Very little of the posters usually have sympathy for the defendant. As long as I have been here most of the time the murder victims and their families are given the majority of sympathy and compassion.

I don't really know why it hasn't been the case in this one. Maybe because this case really didn't grab the attention of the majority as some other cases usually do here nor on other sites I post on. It really has been a very different experience for me and I admit, I am not use to seeing the negativity against the victims or the spouses that have been affected by these tragic losses where their lives were changed forever with 10 shots from a gun that happened in such short minutes.

But I do know that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that includes everyone, not just a chosen few.

So I will just continue to voice my own opinion knowing it is the only one I own and I stand firmly on every opinion I make. I do not do it to be contrary but I truly believe that this kid is very bad news and is guilty of these unthinkable crimes.

imo

I absolutely agree with you GB and the difference is VH was just outright mean in his posts. And most times he was way off base. To believe that he represents what the town of St. John's feels is absurd.

We are all entitled to our opinion and we shall differ on ours.
I strong feel the Romans famlily is having a hard time trying to make sense of this, but the Romero's need to look deep within their family and figure out what went on. IF CR made threats...there was a reason...not just because he was a brat, IF he did this...thre was a reason.

A psychopath kills for no reason. Their actions and their emotions are impulsive and unmotivated...meaning not motivated by any understandable purpose.

CR is not a psychopath...he was motivated by purpose. These purposes will come out in time.

[GentleBreeze]

No just do not have any respect for any woman that claim to love a child so much like there own, turn there back on them when they are needed the most. I don't care what he did or did not do. If you are a mother figure to a child you have no excuse in this world to turn your back on a child point blank there is NO exception to the rule. A child is a child, you may not care about this child, and the next person may not care. A mother is supposed to so apparently she deceived VR claiming to love his son as her own. When the tuff came she was not woman enough to open her heart out to this child that apparently needs real help, love, and support. So no I do not care about miss Tiff whats so ever. She gives step mothers a very bad name. Point blank. IMO

Why do you think she should have stayed by this boy's side? To be on the side of the very one that murdered her own husband???? Good grief. Imo, that is just asking too much of Tiffany and plain ridiculous to expect that from anyone. She did not betray this kid........he betrayed her and his own father.

I love my step children as my very own but if they murdered my loving husband, I would never be on their side. The very act of violence perpetrated by them would shatter any trust, bond or love that had been there and that would not be my fault but theirs.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

I absolutely agree with you GB and the difference is VH was just outright mean in his posts. And most times he was way off base. To believe that he represents what the town of St. John's feels is absurd.

We are all entitled to our opinion and we shall differ on ours.
I strong feel the Romans family is having a hard time trying to make sense of this, but the Romero's need to look deep within their family and figure out what went on. IF CR made threats...there was a reason...not just because he was a brat, IF he did this...thre was a reason.

A psychopath kills for no reason. Their actions and their emotions are impulsive and unmotivated...meaning not motivated by any understandable purpose.

CR is not a psychopath...he was motivated by purpose. These purposes will come out in time.

Well he is way too young to even be assessed as a psychopath.

I am not really interested in what he thought his purposes were. All defendants have their conjured up so called purposes.

I don't care why he did what he did. His acts were premeditated and I will never ever believe he killed them in self defense so other than that there is absolutely no excusable reason for killing two human beings this coldly and brutally who didn't even see it coming until it was too late. I think laying in wait murders are the worst but that is just MO.

I wonder how Leroy is taking all this? He and Liz are divorced arent they? I wonder how many times he has been to see the kid.

I do think that many in St. John feels exactly as VH does.


imo

[GentleBreeze]

Really an 8 year old child would be able to betray an adult. I don't think an 8 year old would even know what that meens. You never know what will happen in life, I do know there is not one damn thing that could ever seperate me from the children that I love dearly. I asked my husband this ? if one of his ever did this would he expect me to stay by there side. He said yes, I would what you to figure out what went wrong. You do not leave a child under no circumstance, ecspecially when there is need. I do not see how that is asking to much of Tiffany. I am a mother of 4, and 3 step kids. There is nothing that would ever pull me away from them NOTHING. My opinion is complete opposite of yours when it comes to being a mother. A step mother is a mother ecspecially when the child lives with her for how many years.

Well this hypotheses will never happen in my life. Our children are grown now and never have been violent against anyone, much less us. Unless it happens in yours, you have no idea what you would do. What you "think" you would do and actually "do" is two different things.

I would never renege on our teachings that we so patiently instilled in all 5 of our children while they were growing up. They always knew that with wrongdoing came consequences and accountability. I would never sell my belief system out to coddle one child who has taken the very life of the good man I love dearly and I highly doubt that any of their siblings would suport them either, since their father is a role model in all of their lives and much loved by each and every one.

So to expect Tiffany to just go on like she had suffered no loss at all and support the very one who shattered their lives is nonsensical, imo. Tiffany is the one that needs the support. CR made her a victim as well. We aren't talking about some typical child mistake here that can be fixed and rectified with support. This is as bad as it gets. There is no undoing the murders of Vincent Romero or Tim Romans.

8 year olds are perfectly capable of betraying the trust of their parents. Even this boy knew he wasn't supposed to be going behind his father's back and touching the guns. His father trusted him and he betrayed that trust admittedly. When he lay in wait to become a double murderer he betrayed everyone's trust they had placed in him.

I hope one day the kid can ask for forgiveness and it will come to pass one day and be accepted but I do not expect Tiffany to sacrifice her own feelings and emotions now over the tragic loss of her murdered husband by supporting the very one that took it.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Like I said our opinions are differant. Please do not tell me that I do not know what I would do if the situation happened, I would never give up on any of my children yes actions comes with , but the consequence could never be me turning my back on any of my children. My grandmothers, Aunts, and mother. Has always raised us that you never turn your back on family no matter what. Unless one of my family members hurt one of my CHILDREN then I could say I wouldn't know what to do. Not to make light of a murder, but my husband knows my children are my world. Yes I am positive we will be togather for the rest of our lives; but my children still come first. I still have young innocent children, so maybe it is easier for me to realize an 8 year old. I am sure looking back you dont recall your children at 8 how young there minds really are how they dont fully understand life, and especially death and they do not understand consequences and accountability the ones that will effect them for life anyways... No disrespect on your age or memory, I just know I have a 10,7,6,and 3 year old. There is things that I expect my 7 year old to know, but when I think back at it I would never of have expected for my 10 year old to know it when he was 7. Our family values are different apparently. IMO

Yes, it seems they certainly are.

I do not ever prioritize my love for my husband or my children. Both are equal in worth and they all know it. I love my children dearly as their mother and I love my husband with the same amount of love and devotion I have for my children. I would never tell one person in our family unit that my love is more for some and not others. My husband is as important to me as our children. All which I have had in my life for a long time and wouldn't have it any other way.

My age? lol Oh my you seem to have me really old because our children are grown now and live decent moral lives by the examples we have given them throughout their lives.

There is not doubt in my mind that they knew right from wrong at 7 or 8 years old.

We have also given full support and dedication to our children throughout their lives but we certainly have never had to deal with our children being violent against others nor have they ever been barred from attending any school nor have they ever been accused of double homicide. They have no criminal record for anything.

I just called both of my beloved step-daughters and asked them "Would you expect me to support you and be by your side if you murdered your daddy?" After thinking that I had first thoroughly lost my mind they said emphatically "NO! "NEVER!" So that is good enough for me.

Even they know that is just not realistic.

And the amazing thing is all of our children have hunted since they were young and not once did they betray our trust or strict guidelines that they were to follow.

imo

[garcia]

First, I don't think the boy is guilty.

But MotherOfBoys is out of line...the stepmother is not wicked...she didn't cause this..she is a good person. The boy being alone a couple of hours a week is not out of line. I do it all the time. To suggest other is ridiculous. I don't think Vince, Tim or Tiffany mistreated the boy. There is nothing out ther to suggest that.

VH, I also don't think Eryn caused the boy to kill by talking to her. She is not wicked. She is trying her best to raise the boy under difficult circumstances.

All the parties have alibis and it is ridiculous to believe any family members committed the murders. LE checked out everything well despite some comments that they are morons.

I don't think he did it....but if he did do it it's because he was 8 and when you shoot someone at 8 in cartoons you see them get back up. He wasn't abused. There is no proof of that. To think Eryn or Tiffany caused this is stupid. Things happen sometimes and can't be explained.

I personally think it was a random killing and that's why no one did it in the family.


Just my opinon

[Pag Boi]

Like I said our opinions are differant. Please do not tell me that I do not know what I would do if the situation happened, I would never give up on any of my children yes actions comes with , but the consequence could never be me turning my back on any of my children. My grandmothers, Aunts, and mother. Has always raised us that you never turn your back on family no matter what. Unless one of my family members hurt one of my CHILDREN then I could say I wouldnt know what to do. Not to make light of a murder, but my husband knows my children are my world. Yes I am positive we will be togather for the rest of our lives; but my children still come first. I still have young innocent children, so maybe it is easier for me to realize an 8 year old. I am sure looking back you dont recall your children at 8 how young there minds really are how they dont fully understand life, and ecspecially death and they do not understand consequences and accountability the ones that will effect them for life anyways... No disrespect on your age or memory, I just know I have a 10,7,6,and 3 year old. There is things that I expect my 7 year old to know, but when I think back at it I would never of have expected for my 10 year old to know it when he was 7. Our family values are differnt apparently. IMO

Emphasis above my me.

I see nothing has changed here LMAO.

This is the only forum I have ever used the ignore feauture on......at this site or any other board. I'm going officially rename it th eirony feature :)

Your kids are lucky to have you.And the feeling is mutual

[Blessed]

I agree with Motherof4boys, I would never turn my back on my child or step child ever no matter what, that is what has made me dislike Tiffany.

[stampgal]

I believe CR didn't like the man Vince became around Tiffany. Prior to Tiffany he wasn't beaten...I believe CR felt trapped with no way out. I don't believe for one minute that Tiffany was having nightmares that CR was out to get her, unless she knew how she treated her step-son. I think she planted seeds in this childs head...father gone...you go live with your mom...I believe some day the whole truth will come out and this woman will be held accountable...if for nothing else...not providing a safe environment for a child to live...whether step or not. I don't thnk Tiffany actually "pulled the trigger" but I do believe she is involved.

I think Tiffany showed no respect for her dead husband or his family. Within two weeks she is trying to set up a three way convesation with Vince's HIGH school girlfriend to see how she felt about their relationship. Two weeks after the incident she is out running around town. Then she hooks up with a married man, Levi. When his wife finds out, she and Nichole confront her a Circle K in Springerville. Strange men are seen driving Vince's jeep around town after his death. She doesn't even have the decency to return cherished keepsakes to the Romero family. The list goes on and on...unfortunately this are just signals of the kind of person she is and are not crimes.

[stampgal]

I don't think CR ever considered Tiffany his mom. I think he called her mom because his father told him to. When you are a child, it is much easier to refer to a step parent as mom or dad when you around your peers, teachers, etc.

[garcia]

I think Tiffany and Eryn are both good mothers working under extremely difficult circumstances. I think CR loved all three, Vince, Tiffany & Eryn. There is no evidence any of the three was mean to CR. There is nothing wrong with turning CR over to his biological mom. Would you prefer she kept him? Didn't Eryn want him and rightly she should have him. I don't believe she beat CR. There is nothing out there to substantiate it other than your opinion.

Who knows how a person reacts after her husband is killed. Maybe it has caused her to be a liittle crazy?


Saying all that I still believe CR is innocent, the families are innocent. I believe this was a random shooting. And if he did it, it was because he watched cartoons and visulaized death different than an adult.

[VictimHelp]

I agree with Motherof4boys, I would never turn my back on my child or step child ever no matter what, that is what has made me dislike Tiffany.

Except she told TR and a jailer in Juvie that he killed her husband....I think I wouldn't go near a boy like that, especailly if police also told me he was planning to kill me.

[VictimHelp]

Finally the boy is getting schooling, but because of the courts, not because of Eryn. She ignored his schooling for four months. She lived with a felon while on probation. I think this boy needs to be removed and sent to psych counselling 24/7 to FIX him. I think St. Johns is tired of the boy telling other kids how he killed his dad and into great detail. I think the schools didn't want him, because they hired an attorney to keep him out.

Hopefully they'll move out of St. Johns or the courts will send CR to a psych facility in Phoenix.

[garcia]

I did not know CR told his stepmom and a jailer he killed his dad. I don't think he did that, did he?

I still believe Eryn and Tiffany are BOTH good people and it's MEAN of any of you posters to say either is bad! I think you should ALL refrain from posting about the family, and instead post about CR.