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panache

05-02-2009, 12:00 PM

Thanks pan, that was very informative and coming from someone that knows a lot more about this situation than I do, I have renewed hope that Haleigh is still alive.

Cobra's video touched me. I believe he truly cares. I found it interesting that he believes Haleigh is still alive. I hope he is right. One thing he said that peaked my interest, is that there is only a few LE members he talks to. Leads me to think my instinct is correct. I've thought that there are members on the force who would exchange favors for something. It appears Cobra is finding that out. I hope he is being careful, it sounds like its a powder keg there with his presence. Someone's not too keen on his digging.

moo

psbperu

05-02-2009, 12:11 PM

A goodly part of the mystery as to what happened to Haleigh has fallen on Misty's shoulders since she supposedly was the last person to see the child abed.

Continue to have my doubts as to how "someone" came into a bedroom where they were both sleeping & managed quietly to abduct Haleigh. It doesn't fit imo.

. All just my opinion.

panache

05-02-2009, 12:13 PM

Yes, that confirmed some things for me also. Notice that he mentioned the two LEO that we read about most frequently (I'm not as familiar with the female LEO that he mentioned is a vet as I am the other two) That tells me that it's the low level LE that are giving him/them problems and are most likely, imvho, knee deep in the drug/sex trade themselves...including Chuck E Cheese. :smile:

Also interesting is the phone call from Ron.

MO

Oh yes! The phone call! That kind of touched me too, *If you find her will you call me?*. In a way, I have to admit, I felt sorry for him.

moo

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 12:19 PM

Oh yes! The phone call! That kind of touched me too, *If you find her will you call me?*. In a way, I have to admit, I felt sorry for him.

moo

Not me. Why isn't RC concerned about finding her? Why is he not looking? Does he want a phone call so he can leave town? Does it bother him in the middle of the night but not during the day? RC makes me sick.

MOO

kOOkie1

05-02-2009, 12:23 PM

*Now That I Am In It, I Don't Know How To Get Out*.....Cobra

22 min. video

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php
http://audio.thesky973.com/m/video/22207626/cobra-undedited-interview.htm?pageid=28469

"I dont know her..I've never met her..but she has taken a place in my heart that i cant shake loose" Cobra

I guess that sums up everyone's feelings here as well. This is such a shame.:closedeyes:
"bottom line ..where is Haleigh"..
Aint that the truth!!! where the heck is Haleigh!!!!

Texas48

05-02-2009, 12:28 PM

right along with almost every adult in this case.........MOOgood morning FA..hope u are feeling better this morning. I think everyone I know has not been feeling up to par here lately..See there is NO NEW NEWS this morning but..its still early.

Texas48

05-02-2009, 12:30 PM

Yup, I agree.

But I don't think MC's myspace looks any worse then how the tittle of this thread looks "Sat,May 2 & Sun,May 3".

Someone wanting to put down MC's education ought to learn how to use spaces correctly especially starting a thread :read: IMO

Sly

~That really made a point Sly..dont go pointing fingers..kwim?

panache

05-02-2009, 12:32 PM

Not me. Why isn't RC concerned about finding her? Why is he not looking? Does he want a phone call so he can leave town? Does it bother him in the middle of the night but not during the day? RC makes me sick.

MOO

Hannah

Right now I'm feeling more animosity towards Misty. Her opening her Myspace to the public is like an attitude of in your face. So blatant, and taunting.

I have had a slight change about Ron after listening to Cobra's video.

panache

05-02-2009, 12:36 PM

To me, the spelling errors and grammar are one thing. But what gets me are the tons of photos she has up of herself over the last 3 or more years with captions underneath saying things like "I was so high in this pic" and "I was f'd up." In one pic it is her and several other girls and one is holding a baby and yet underneath it says something like "All us girls. We were f'd up." I surely hope the one caring for the kid wasn't. All of these people make me sick and should all be sterilized IMO so that they cannot have children.

Anyway, looking at the pics and the things she had to say almost makes me think that she is trying to sabotage her and Ron's chances of keeping custody of those kids. After all, there is no denying she gets "high" and "f'd" up when you have tons of pics showing so on display. IMO, since she decided to make her myspace public again in hopes of spreading the word about Haleigh, she should have cleaned up that mess and taken down all those party/drunk/high pics. Maybe then someone may take her seriously. JMO!

You have managed to express my feelings about Misty to a T!

Take it for what its worth, but I read earlier today, that Misty was overheard in a local store to say, I'm glad the brat is gone.

moo

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 12:36 PM

Not me. Why isn't RC concerned about finding her? Why is he not looking? Does he want a phone call so he can leave town? Does it bother him in the middle of the night but not during the day? RC makes me sick.

MOO

Hannah, why don't you just not even mention the man's name any more. No matter what he says or does your hate for him is disgusting.

And your comments about him make ME sick.

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 12:40 PM

Hannah, why don't you just not even mention the man's name any more. No matter what he says or does your hate for him is disgusting.

And your comments about him make ME sick.

Just roll on by then, Jack, if you don't like it. No one makes you read my posts.

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 12:43 PM

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 12:44 PM

OMG, say it isn't so. Not even Misty could be THAT stupid.

Or could she?...I'm beginning to wonder.

Misty thinks she has out smarted LE so she is not worried about what she says anymore.

MO

panache

05-02-2009, 12:49 PM

Misty thinks she has out smarted LE so she is not worried about what she says anymore.

MO

I think you nailed it Hannah.

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 12:51 PM

I think you nailed it Hannah.

Maybe she will mess up soon and LE will get the truth out of her and find Haleigh. They seem to think she is the "key". Cobra believes she is.

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 01:09 PM

I'll take if for exactly what it's worth. That and a buck will get me a coffee.

I tell ya; people with say anything to make Ron and Misty guilty. No matter how STUPID it is. I just don't get it....(shaking head). I thought Crystal was the one that used the term "bratts"?

kOOkie1

05-02-2009, 01:17 PM

seeker

05-02-2009, 01:18 PM

Oh yes! The phone call! That kind of touched me too, *If you find her will you call me?*. In a way, I have to admit, I felt sorry for him.

mooThe following are all my thoughts, nothing is fact, these are only my hunches:

This video was difficult to watch, on many levels and for many reasons. I am only half way through. Thank goodness this is not a popularity contest, because I lose.

Cobra, like many people, I think, has some bad mixed in with a soul that is basically good and generous. It is his lack of humility that is so hard to listen to and to watch. Still, if he is genuine, I agree that he is doing a good thing, looking for Haleigh. (I don't believe that Haleigh is alive and I don't think Cobra or L.E. believe that either; I could be totally off-base).

If Cobra is telling the truth about Ron's call, which he probably is, as Ron's attorneys would be all over Cobra for something. Regarding the call from Ronald Cummings to Cobra, in the middle of the night:

1.. Ron not following his attorneys' advice is no surprise, in my opinion. He makes his own rules and the pressure is probably building inside of him.

2. Because I believe Ron knows exactly what happened to Haleigh and where her body is, and because he still seems to have the misguided notion that Cobra is his friend, I think Ron became nervous in the middle of the night and called him. It sounds like, in my humble opinion, that Ron wants a heads up; he believes Cobra will find Haleigh's body, or will be right on scene when she's found, and he wants to get out of Dodge before he is arrested. Going really to the dark side (sorry), if Ron needs a heads up when she's found, he must know, that in finding her, it will be clear that he's responsible for her death. I think that Cobra, mentioning the whole thing about how it would probably be an hour before he called Ron because he would be receiving hugs and kisses from Haleigh, was to say, Ron wanted to know immediately when Haleigh is found.

These are just my thoughts and opinions. I am aware that I could be very wrong.

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 01:23 PM

The following are all my thoughts, nothing is fact, these are only my hunches:

This video was difficult to watch, on many levels and for many reasons. I am only half way through. Thank goodness this is not a popularity contest, because I lose.

Cobra, like many people, I think, has some bad mixed in with a soul that is basically good and generous. It is his lack of humility that is so hard to listen to and to watch. Still, if he is genuine, I agree that he is doing a good thing, looking for Haleigh. (I don't believe that Haleigh is alive and I don't think Cobra or L.E. believe that either; I could be totally off-base).

If Cobra is telling the truth about Ron's call, which he probably is, as Ron's attorneys would be all over Cobra for something. Regarding the call from Ronald Cummings to Cobra, in the middle of the night:

1.. Ron not following his attorneys' advice is no surprise, in my opinion. He makes his own rules and the pressure is probably building inside of him.

2. Because I believe Ron knows exactly what happened to Haleigh and where her body is, and because he still seems to have the misguided notion that Cobra is his friend, I think Ron became nervous in the middle of the night and called him. It sounds like, in my humble opinion, that Ron wants a heads up; he believes Cobra will find Haleigh's body, or will be right on scene when she's found, and he wants to get out of Dodge before he is arrested. Going really to the dark side (sorry), if Ron needs a heads up when she's found, he must know, that in finding her, it will be clear that he's responsible for her death. I think that Cobra, mentioning the whole thing about how it would probably be an hour before he called Ron because he would be receiving hugs and kisses from Haleigh, was to say, Ron wanted to know immediately when Haleigh is found.

These are just my thoughts and opinions. I am aware that I could be very wrong.

Good post.

You have put into words exactly what I felt when Cobra said Ron called him. I also think Haleigh is deceased.

I think what Ronald has done bothers him at night or when he is coming down from drugs.

AlohaRainbow

05-02-2009, 01:28 PM

You have managed to express my feelings about Misty to a T!

Take it for what its worth, but I read earlier today, that Misty was overheard in a local store to say, I'm glad the brat is gone.

moo

care to share a link as to where you read that?

dustyk

05-02-2009, 01:34 PM

I tell ya; people with say anything to make Ron and Misty guilty. No matter how STUPID it is. I just don't get it....(shaking head). I thought Crystal was the one that used the term "bratts"?
Bratts is a word many of us have used on occasion, but most don't say it after a child is missing or presumed dead. If she did say that it was heartless. JMO

Texas48

05-02-2009, 01:37 PM

Hannah, why don't you just not even mention the man's name any more. No matter what he says or does your hate for him is disgusting.

And your comments about him make ME sick.I think Hannah has made it perfectly clear how she feels about Ron..

panache

05-02-2009, 01:43 PM

care to share a link as to where you read that?

Websleuth's Parking Lot.

seeker

05-02-2009, 01:48 PM

Has anyone figured out, why LE has put it out there that they think Haleigh is alive?

I don't think LE would put that out there unless they had good reason to. I just can't figure out why they think that, but Haleigh has not been found yet.

Morning, Apple,

That is a good question. It's had me wondering. A Lot. If you listen to Cobra, who I realize is not Law Enforcement, there is either wishful thinking, an attempt to be obtuse, or he was throwing that out there in an attempt to keep people involved off-kilter. If the police said it as fact, I believe they are lying about that for some purpose.

Of course, just my opinion. It doesn't seem possible or even logical that Haleigh is alive. Cobra's comment about it being easier to keep his drive together looking for an alive Haliegh gave lie to his statement about her probably being alive. Not that he is evil, just if we keep talking, we usually spill our true feelings.

Again, just my thoughts.

Dcnlb5

05-02-2009, 02:07 PM

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 02:11 PM

seeker

05-02-2009, 02:24 PM

I tell ya; people with say anything to make Ron and Misty guilty. No matter how STUPID it is. I just don't get it....(shaking head). I thought Crystal was the one that used the term "bratts"?

Jacki,

I've been trying to follow you and figure out where you are coming from. I don't mean that disrespectfully.

One of many question for you:

How does referring to her children, or her fiances children as "brats" in any way compare to Ron's publicly and privately (to a police officer) making homicidal threats and referring to the teenager he recently married as his "dumb b.... girlfriend?" (Only examples that come to mind right now).

This back and forth on a message board really doesn't have to be a situation of one group against another. I bet if we were all in a room talking we would share some opinions in common with those we least expect. Human beings are way too complex for life to be black and white. We mostly live in all the shades in between.

my opinion.

seeker

05-02-2009, 02:27 PM

Bratts is a word many of us have used on occasion, but most don't say it after a child is missing or presumed dead. If she did say that it was heartless. JMO

As far as I know it came from her myspace page, created before this tragedy, and though many think it no way to refer to children, it doesn't make her a monster, in my opinion.

seeker

05-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Websleuth's Parking Lot.

Panache,

What's the "Parking Lot"?

playnice

05-02-2009, 02:31 PM

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 02:35 PM

Panache,

What's the "Parking Lot"?

I'm not panache, but will try to answer your question.
It is an area on that web site that is used for posting rumors or anything that can't be proved. There is very little posted on the main page. You have to be registered to read and post in the parking lot. JMO

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 02:41 PM

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 02:41 PM

Thank you to everyone that commented on why LE thinks Haleigh is alive.

I have not thought she was alive since the night she disappeared, but by LE putting it out there I was so hoping I was wrong in thinking Haleigh was not here. ( I still can't say those words).

I do hope it does not give the family on both sides false hope.

I hope she is alive also. I also hope that by LE & Cobra putting it out there it won't cause the perp to do something drastic. To whomever is reading this and you have Haleigh, please take her to a safe place and let her go. Don't take away that beautiful happy smiling child forever. JMO

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 02:42 PM

Thank you to everyone that commented on why LE thinks Haleigh is alive.

I have not thought she was alive since the night she disappeared, but by LE putting it out there I was so hoping I was wrong in thinking Haleigh was not here. ( I still can't say those words).

I do hope it does not give the family on both sides false hope.

Either way she must be found. I hope she is alive more than anything. I don't think that she is and hope to be wrong about that. If she is, she should be returned home to her mother and if she is not alive those guilty of a crime must be held accountable and justice for Haleigh served.

moo

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Checking on updates about Haleigh. Listening to Cobra's interview.

Very disturbing that he said some said "Oh well she was handicapped anyway." OMG who would say that?

I also noticed Cobra said about calling Ron, " I will be talking to ABC World News." If he found Haleigh. Why would he think that?

Just so sad for Haleigh. :rose:

imo

Is Haleigh handicapped? I haven't heard that she is. Or is he saying that is just something cruel and inhuman someone has said?

playnice

05-02-2009, 02:46 PM

I could be wrong but I thought he was saying that IF he was looking for the fame and fortune that people have accused him of doing, he would be talking to ABC World News.

MO

That is what he said.

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 02:48 PM

Is Haleigh handicapped? I haven't heard that she is. Or is he saying that is just something cruel and inhuman someone has said?

He said I was told to leave it alone, trailer trash,small town USA the little girl was handicapped anyway.

imo

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 02:48 PM

I could be wrong but I thought he was saying that IF he was looking for the fame and fortune that people have accused him of doing, he would be talking to ABC World News.

MO

Whether he is looking for fame or fortune, if he got the opportunity he would talk to ABC World News. He is talking to the only person that will interview him now. I don't know what his motive is, but he & TJH were both complaining about how looking for Haleigh is messing up their life. I do hope Haleigh is found alive and sooner rather than later. JMO

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 02:49 PM

I could be wrong but I thought he was saying that IF he was looking for the fame and fortune that people have accused him of doing, he would be talking to ABC World News.

MO

I just listened to it again and you are right. It ran together there. Thank you.

imo

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 02:50 PM

Whether he is looking for fame or fortune, if he got the opportunity he would talk to ABC World News. He is talking to the only person that will interview him now. I don't know what his motive is, but he & TJH were both complaining about how looking for Haleigh is messing up their life. I do hope Haleigh is found alive and sooner rather than later. JMO

Sounds like both of them have gotten emotionally involved. I imagine it is frustrating for them to want to find her so bad and the towns people are sticking together and not talking.

MO

Peaches

05-02-2009, 02:51 PM

She didn't finish high school. She is lying on her my space page, too.

MOO

I feel many lie on myspace.............it is all a joke anyway/myspace that is.

Who wants to put all their personal information on the web? NOT ME.

Also............we know Misty did not finish school. This is the very reason me and others think that she needs an attorney to help her answer questions and to represent her............jmoo

Peaches

05-02-2009, 02:53 PM

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 02:54 PM

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 02:54 PM

You have your opinion on his motives, I have mine.

He never said that Haleigh is messing up his life. Why twist his words?

He said his perseverance in staying with this case is causing financial problems and problems in his personal life.

I didn't say he said Haleigh was messing up his life. I said he said "looking for Haleigh". JMO

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 02:59 PM

I thought for sure Haleigh would be found by now. If it is Misty why is Cobra wasting his time with NN and Amber? I doubt very much Misty would have got those two to help her cover it up or they would cover for her. Also if it is about drugs that no one would try to collect the reward.

Did Misty have access to a car that night? Or just the van we have all heard about?

imo

seeker

05-02-2009, 03:00 PM

Good post.

You have put into words exactly what I felt when Cobra said Ron called him. I also think Haleigh is deceased.

I think what Ronald has done bothers him at night or when he is coming down from drugs.
Yes, that sounds right. However sad it is to believe that she is deceased and no matter that we wish it wasn't so, there seems to be no other explanation, to my way of thinking.

Mimi428

05-02-2009, 03:06 PM

Watched Cobra's interview and I do feel that Haleigh has become his heart. He has become obessed with finding Haleigh.
I think the problem with some of these people is not that they dont care about Haleigh and want her found.
I think they have a bigger God before them called "Drug Addiction" that is ruling and controlling their life.
When they start to come down from their high reality sets in and they think about Haleigh. Until the next craving sets in and until they get their next fix.

ITA that the continuing want/need/craving for drugs is motivating some of the people involved in this case. By 'involved', I mean people both close to & also further away from the daily life in the home where Haleigh resided.

One of the reasons I do not believe NayNay or Amber was directly involved is because we see too much of them in situations which indicate their primary focus is on getting & taking drugs. I think they both may be in the stages where the quest for the next fix is of primary importance to them. They may behave badly when high, but they are not clear-headed enough, often enough, to take part in kidnapping a child. If they attempted something like that while high, they would be bumbling fools & would not be nearly clever enough, nor physically adept enough to pull off yanking a sleeping child out of her bed.

However, among the people they run with & hang out with, there could be a person who has much less personal drug use & possesses stronger motivations for committing bad deeds. I'm not including WBG in this group, I think if he was so inclined he would never have consented to being interviewed.

After the 'in jail, out of jail, back to jail' escapades of Amber & NayNay - & the sketchy information on the 2nd guy who took NayNay away after she was returned to jail by Cobra, I am greatly concerned that the two of them are involved with & being influenced by a person or two who is much meaner than they would ever dream of being. Someone who knows what they will do to get drugs & who is motivated to take advantage of that. The part of the story of the binge weekend that had Lindsay doing all the 'work' to get the money struck me as being ludicrous beyond belief.

My personal fear for all 3 of those young women (Amber, NayNay & Misty) is that if they don't have a main squeeze boyfriend to live with & take care of them & get drugs for them - they are all at the mercy of having to prostitute themselves to get the money for drugs. I think if WBG had been willing to keep Misty with him & provide for her, she would not have returned so quickly to Ron's house. I think after a couple of days with him, she found out that he was ready, willing & able to party with her, do drugs with her, have sex with her - but not take care of her.

JMO

dustyk

05-02-2009, 03:07 PM

MOO is that we have enough rumors here .............. I do not need to go where only rumors are posted.
would probably be banned LOL JMO

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 03:08 PM

Yes, that sounds right. However sad it is to believe that she is deceased and no matter that we wish it wasn't so, there seems to be no other explanation, to my way of thinking.

Some blogs I read posters have said they think Ronald hid Haleigh and reported her missing so he could collect donation money. Some posted they think this case is a copy cat to the Anthony case.

And it could be, either one of the above. I don't know. I try to excuse Ronald's lack of interest in finding Haleigh and the only thing I can think of that would excuse him is that he knows she is okay and he is sitting back collecting money.

I would rather that be the case and Haleigh alive and eventually returned to her mother than the other alternative.

What do you think about that, Seeker?

MOO

seeker

05-02-2009, 03:12 PM

He said I was told to leave it alone, trailer trash,small town USA the little girl was handicapped anyway.

imo
The way I heard it, and it wasn't easy to listen to, Cobra was repeating a description of Haleigh. A person allegedly said something to the effect of, why bother, she's handicapped anyway. Probably, if true, the person meant that she suffers from Turner's Syndrome, which she does. Ignorance is not bliss, in my opinion.

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 03:14 PM

The way I heard it, and it wasn't easy to listen to, Cobra was repeating a description of Haleigh. A person allegedly said something to the effect of, why bother, she's handicapped anyway. Probably, if true, the person meant that she suffers from Turner's Syndrome, which she does. Ignorance is not bliss, in my opinion.

Yes, but I was like OMG who would say that.

imo

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 03:28 PM

Mimi428

05-02-2009, 03:37 PM

I have been following the case but I have never posted. On misty's my space it says education : and she has some college and under income : it says 30,000-45,000. I wasn't sure she even finished high school

Welcome to the board & I hope you post more.

I think it is not uncommon for people to embellish who they are on Myspace, Facebook & the like - so the fact that Misty or anyone else puts a bunch of BS on their personal webpage doesn't really pique my interest too much.

But I do think that it is kind of interesting that for as little education as Misty has, she is motivated to present herself as being a lot more educated than she actually is.

In other words, the fact that she (or anyone) tells fibs doesn't draw my attention nearly so fast as noticing what she (or anyone) fibs about!

JMO

seeker

05-02-2009, 03:48 PM

I feel many lie on myspace.............it is all a joke anyway/myspace that is.

Who wants to put all their personal information on the web? NOT ME.

Also............we know Misty did not finish school. This is the very reason me and others think that she needs an attorney to help her answer questions and to represent her............jmoo

Since when is it ok to lie?

"myspace" is NOT a joke for many, many users of it. Many of us use it to stay in touch with our children, both serving in the military and living in the next room. Many of us use it to communicate our beliefs and share in the causes we feel strongly about. I use it for all the above reasons, and more.

Maybe the point about Misty is, she is a public entity now, people are well informed of many, many intimate details of her life. To continue to lie on a public forum such as 'myspace" is a sign of...well, it could mean a lot of things; the worse case being that she has no conscience and is a sociopath.

Generalizations hurt people. Life has many nuances, and is never black and white regarding anything.

my strong opinion.

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 03:53 PM

Since when is it ok to lie?

"myspace" is NOT a joke for many, many users of it. Many of us use it to stay in touch with our children, both serving in the military and living in the next room. Many of us use it to communicate our beliefs and share in the causes we feel strongly about. I use it for all the above reasons, and more.

Maybe the point about Misty is, she is a public entity now, people are well informed of many, many intimate details of her life. To continue to lie on a public forum such as 'myspace" is a sign of...well, it could mean a lot of things; the worse case being that she has no conscience and is a sociopath.

Generalizations hurt people. Life has many nuances, and is never black and white regarding anything.

my strong opinion.

I'm sure many people feel as you do and use myspace & the others legitimately. I do think you are a little naive if you don't think people stretch the truth. I don't think one should lie, but many do. JMO

seeker

05-02-2009, 03:55 PM

Yes, but I was like OMG who would say that.

imo

I agree with you. OMG is right!

Pag Boi

05-02-2009, 04:01 PM

care to share a link as to where you read that?

LOLOLOLOL. Parking lot signs I've seen posted:

****Park-n-Pay****

****UCars towed at owners expense****

*****Secure your valuables. Management is not responsbile for any lost or stolen goods*****

I can't imagine posting a sign about brats gone. JMOO:tongueside:

Pag Boi

05-02-2009, 04:06 PM

Since midnight, there have been 14 people booked in the jail. 4 have already been released. No wonder they can't solve the mystery of Haleigh - most of their time has to be used for arresting & booking criminals. JMO

How do you conclude how most of their time is spent? I'd love to see the comps if you have a\ link.s TIA. If not, no biggie

seeker

05-02-2009, 04:13 PM

Some blogs I read posters have said they think Ronald hid Haleigh and reported her missing so he could collect donation money. Some posted they think this case is a copy cat to the Anthony case.

And it could be, either one of the above. I don't know. I try to excuse Ronald's lack of interest in finding Haleigh and the only thing I can think of that would excuse him is that he knows she is okay and he is sitting back collecting money.

I would rather that be the case and Haleigh alive and eventually returned to her mother than the other alternative.

What do you think about that, Seeker?

MOO
I want to preface this with a strong: These are only my thoughts and opinions.

Hi Hannah, I wish I could believe like you. I don't think there was any plan. I think, in a moment of fury Haleigh was killed by her father. That, for some reason, she became the object of his rage. It is the only explanation, in my humble opinion.

It explains why he married Misty. To keep her quiet. I think she and Ronald were the only adults there, along with a little boy that is probably so scarred and traumatized that he may never remember anything correctly. Misty may also be very scarred and traumatized, but it is hard to see that in her, though in the beginning it appeared she was.

As far as Ron's lack of interest, he is probably operating out of fear of being found out at any moment. I also see him as a possible sociopath, with no regard for anyone but himself. People who lack consciences are very often charismatic and come off as genuine and concerned. He doesn't usually try to do even that. He isn't a good actor, though he tries, at times.

He may feel sadness, even regret. But not enough to come clean.

I know this post may really upset some and for that I am sorry. If I am wrong, I will gladly admit it.

These are all just my thoughts and opinions.

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 04:15 PM

Jacki,

I've been trying to follow you and figure out where you are coming from. I don't mean that disrespectfully.

One of many question for you:

How does referring to her children, or her fiances children as "brats" in any way compare to Ron's publicly and privately (to a police officer) making homicidal threats and referring to the teenager he recently married as his "dumb b.... girlfriend?" (Only examples that come to mind right now).

This back and forth on a message board really doesn't have to be a situation of one group against another. I bet if we were all in a room talking we would share some opinions in common with those we least expect. Human beings are way too complex for life to be black and white. We mostly live in all the shades in between.

my opinion.

If my son was missing who knows what I would say. It could be way worse than what Ronald said and until some of the shock wore off I would probably say things that I would need to aplogize for to whoever was with my child when he went missing. Most parents that have a missing child would probably be thinking the same as Ron said but would not express it out loud.

Ron and Misty did not have ANYTHING to with Haleigh missing. That is my belief.

As far as Crystal calling her children brats (except for Cloe per her myspace); I mentioned that because a poster was trying to start a rumor implying that Misty was heard saying "she was happy the brat was gone" or something like that. There is no way that is even believeable. Just plain old rumor starting from another message board and the amazing part was some posters believed this. What a "load" garbage!!!

(the reason I'm using son and/or he is because I have no daughters and just one son) Just don't want anyone to get mixed up with that.

JMO

PS didn't get much sleep last night so hope this makes sense.

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 04:21 PM

How do you conclude how most of their time is spent? I'd love to see the comps if you have a\ link.s TIA. If not, no biggie

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx JMO

?noanswer

05-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Does anyone find it odd that Art, TJ nor Cobra have talked about why Amber was re-arrested?

Since the charges are the same, it looks like whomever posted bond (Cobra?) revoked it the same way he did AB. TJ said LE chastised him for some of the things he has posted - Le got a lot of calls thinking Haleigh had been found. I wonder if they told Cobra to butt out, too. JMO

panache

05-02-2009, 04:30 PM

Checking on updates about Haleigh. Listening to Cobra's interview.

Very disturbing that he said some said "Oh well she was handicapped anyway." OMG who would say that?

I also noticed Cobra said about calling Ron, " I will be talking to ABC World News." If he found Haleigh. Why would he think that?

Just so sad for Haleigh. :rose:

imo

I am compelled to correct you blaming Cobra for the *handicapped* statement. That was not his opinion. He was relating that he had heard that when asked why he was searching for Haleigh.

moo

panache

05-02-2009, 04:32 PM

I could be wrong but I thought he was saying that IF he was looking for the fame and fortune that people have accused him of doing, he would be talking to ABC World News.

MO

Exactly! Looks like some words were taken out of context.

moo

panache

05-02-2009, 04:36 PM

I'm not panache, but will try to answer your question.
It is an area on that web site that is used for posting rumors or anything that can't be proved. There is very little posted on the main page. You have to be registered to read and post in the parking lot. JMO

Let me also add that at least a dozen locals post on that Haleigh thread and share their observations and village experiences. Oddly enough, much of what they see, hear, eventually turns out to be true. I find their contributions to be a wealth of information. Its called a Rumor thread, based on their own personal knowledge and no links are required, although many links are provided if possible.

moo

seeker

05-02-2009, 04:38 PM

I'm sure many people feel as you do and use myspace & the others legitimately. I do think you are a little naive if you don't think people stretch the truth. I don't think one should lie, but many do. JMO

?noanswer. I have been called naive before. I understand. But, I didn't mean to say that people won't or don't lie on social networks,or anywhere else for that matter.

What I don't go along with, or believe, is this notion of generalizations. I strongly disagree with generalizing anything. You can't predict what any one individual will do, in any particular life situation based upon what SOME do. Of course we can look at someone's actions, their words, and then compare those with similar personalities and come up with an idea of what they might do.

(Sorry, wasn't trying to go off on a soapbox but I guess I just did, and not very well).

That's my belief. Lots of people I know don't agree with me. We still love each other.

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 04:39 PM

I am compelled to correct you blaming Cobra for the *handicapped* statement. That was not his opinion. He was relating that he had heard that when asked why he was searching for Haleigh.

moo

I did not blame Cobra. I said he said Some said.

imo

seeker

05-02-2009, 04:40 PM

seeker

05-02-2009, 04:51 PM

If my son was missing who knows what I would say. It could be way worse than what Ronald said and until some of the shock wore off I would probably say things that I would need to aplogize for to whoever was with my child when he went missing. Most parents that have a missing child would probably be thinking the same as Ron said but would not express it out loud.

Ron and Misty did not have ANYTHING to with Haleigh missing. That is my belief.

As far as Crystal calling her children brats (except for Cloe per her myspace); I mentioned that because a poster was trying to start a rumor implying that Misty was heard saying "she was happy the brat was gone" or something like that. There is no way that is even believeable. Just plain old rumor starting from another message board and the amazing part was some posters believed this. What a "load" garbage!!!

(the reason I'm using son and/or he is because I have no daughters and just one son) Just don't want anyone to get mixed up with that.

JMO

PS didn't get much sleep last night so hope this makes sense.

Thanks for replying. And explaining.

But, why put down other people on this board? It just takes away from the discussion of Haleigh and it makes some people really uncomfortable; me, for instance.

You stated your firm belief in Ron and Misty's innocence. That's your right. Some agree with you and some don't. It isn't rumor when someone states that they heard about something, but are unsure of it's validity. It also isn't rumor because we disagree with what someone else believes.

These are my thoughts about that.

seeker

05-02-2009, 04:55 PM

Let me also add that at least a dozen locals post on that Haleigh thread and share their observations and village experiences. Oddly enough, much of what they see, hear, eventually turns out to be true. I find their contributions to be a wealth of information. Its called a Rumor thread, based on their own personal knowledge and no links are required, although many links are provided if possible.

moo

Thank you, Panache for your answer and explaining how it works over there.

seeker

05-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Mimi428

05-02-2009, 05:03 PM

Seeker, you are confusing me.

Your post #84
Maybe the point about Misty is, she is a public entity now, people are well informed of many, many intimate details of her life. To continue to lie on a public forum such as 'myspace" is a sign of...well, it could mean a lot of things; the worse case being that she has no conscience and is a sociopath.

Your post #88
I also see him as a possible sociopath, with no regard for anyone but himself.

Also your post #84
Generalizations hurt people. Life has many nuances, and is never black and white regarding anything.
my strong opinion.

I know you say these are your opinions, but they seem contradicting with your last sentence above. You state generalizations hurt people, but then you like posting who you think Ron and Misty are sociopaths.
Just wondering are you a psychiatrists??

I can't answer for seeker, but I can say that I did not interpret her posts to be contradictory. I think she does a far better job than a whole lot of our board companions in writing coherently & making it patently clear that she is thinking about some of the possibilities that might explain the things we have seen & heard from the various members of Haleigh's family.

I wish more of our fellow posters had the desire & the motivation (like seeker) to write out their posts so that it is clear to others when they are posting their interpretations & their opinions. IMOO, it beats the heck out of the push/pull exchanges where attempts are made to completely polarize discussion of even little nitpicking things.

I don't think any of us nor any of the people involved in this case can be sorted into only one of two categories - saints on one side, demons on the other - yet we see on a daily basis that as soon as one parent is being discussed & something uncomplimentary is posted, the backlash begins to post something 'worse' about the other parent. I have had moments when I got the distinct impression that the goal of the individual was to snipe, rather than to have a rational debate & discussion of the various & sundry elements of the case.

JMONVHO

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 05:17 PM

Thanks for replying. And explaining.

But, why put down other people on this board? It just takes away from the discussion of Haleigh and it makes some people really uncomfortable; me, for instance.

You stated your firm belief in Ron and Misty's innocence. That's your right. Some agree with you and some don't. It isn't rumor when someone states that they heard about something, but are unsure of it's validity. It also isn't rumor because we disagree with what someone else believes.

These are my thoughts about that.

Excuse me but you are always putting down Ron and Misty. In almost every post. You go as far to say Ron and/or Misty killed Haleigh and know where she is. If that isn't putting someone down; I don't know what is. So are you taking away from discussions about Haleigh?

To me ANYTHING on another message board without a link, with just I heard, is pure rumor whether I agree with the statement or not.

JMO

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 05:26 PM

I can't answer for seeker, but I can say that I did not interpret her posts to be contradictory. I think she does a far better job than a whole lot of our board companions in writing coherently & making it patently clear that she is thinking about some of the possibilities that might explain the things we have seen & heard from the various members of Haleigh's family.

I wish more of our fellow posters had the desire & the motivation (like seeker) to write out their posts so that it is clear to others when they are posting their interpretations & their opinions. IMOO, it beats the heck out of the push/pull exchanges where attempts are made to completely polarize discussion of even little nitpicking things.

I don't think any of us nor any of the people involved in this case can be sorted into only one of two categories - saints on one side, demons on the other - yet we see on a daily basis that as soon as one parent is being discussed & something uncomplimentary is posted, the backlash begins to post something 'worse' about the other parent. I have had moments when I got the distinct impression that the goal of the individual was to snipe, rather than to have a rational debate & discussion of the various & sundry elements of the case.

JMONVHO

While you are on your "lovefest" for seeker....Where is Haleigh?

Everyone has their own style of writing and it's not fair to any poster in here to be put down by you; just because you don't agree with them.

JMO

Themis

05-02-2009, 05:29 PM

ITA that the continuing want/need/craving for drugs is motivating some of the people involved in this case. By 'involved', I mean people both close to & also further away from the daily life in the home where Haleigh resided.

One of the reasons I do not believe NayNay or Amber was directly involved is because we see too much of them in situations which indicate their primary focus is on getting & taking drugs. I think they both may be in the stages where the quest for the next fix is of primary importance to them. They may behave badly when high, but they are not clear-headed enough, often enough, to take part in kidnapping a child. If they attempted something like that while high, they would be bumbling fools & would not be nearly clever enough, nor physically adept enough to pull off yanking a sleeping child out of her bed.

However, among the people they run with & hang out with, there could be a person who has much less personal drug use & possesses stronger motivations for committing bad deeds. I'm not including WBG in this group, I think if he was so inclined he would never have consented to being interviewed.

After the 'in jail, out of jail, back to jail' escapades of Amber & NayNay - & the sketchy information on the 2nd guy who took NayNay away after she was returned to jail by Cobra, I am greatly concerned that the two of them are involved with & being influenced by a person or two who is much meaner than they would ever dream of being. Someone who knows what they will do to get drugs & who is motivated to take advantage of that. The part of the story of the binge weekend that had Lindsay doing all the 'work' to get the money struck me as being ludicrous beyond belief.

My personal fear for all 3 of those young women (Amber, NayNay & Misty) is that if they don't have a main squeeze boyfriend to live with & take care of them & get drugs for them - they are all at the mercy of having to prostitute themselves to get the money for drugs. I think if WBG had been willing to keep Misty with him & provide for her, she would not have returned so quickly to Ron's house. I think after a couple of days with him, she found out that he was ready, willing & able to party with her, do drugs with her, have sex with her - but not take care of her.

JMO
Right on, Mimi428! I posted something similar to your post #75 several days ago.
The 'Foolish Foursome' (Amber, NayNay, Misty and Lindsay) can't get their act together long enough to have pulled off a kidnapping together unaided. Unless, that is, all of them frequented that mobile home so many times their fingerprints and forensic evidence must be discounted.

You said it so well and, hopefully, with a second chance to see it more people will read it rather than discussing parking lots and lying on my space pages.
[JMO * Themis]

CC I See

05-02-2009, 05:30 PM

Welcome to the board & I hope you post more.

I think it is not uncommon for people to embellish who they are on Myspace, Facebook & the like - so the fact that Misty or anyone else puts a bunch of BS on their personal webpage doesn't really pique my interest too much.

But I do think that it is kind of interesting that for as little education as Misty has, she is motivated to present herself as being a lot more educated than she actually is.

In other words, the fact that she (or anyone) tells fibs doesn't draw my attention nearly so fast as noticing what she (or anyone) fibs about!

JMO

Just wondering... how do we know that this is really Misty's myspace. Could it be that someone is having a little fun and made up this page to look like it belongs to her? All this misinformation that is posted makes her look like a liar, not someone that is merely embellishing a little and that might be the whole point of it.

HouseOfClark

05-02-2009, 05:36 PM

seeker

05-02-2009, 05:36 PM

Excuse me but you are always putting down Ron and Misty. In almost every post. You go as far to say Ron and/or Misty killed Haleigh and know where she is. If that isn't putting someone down; I don't know what is. So are you taking away from discussions about Haleigh?

To me ANYTHING on another message board without a link, with just I heard, is pure rumor whether I agree with the statement or not.

JMO

Jacki,

I mentioned that it doesn't help to put down OTHER PEOPLE POSTING ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

We're talking about Haleigh and what may have happened to her. Many of us, including yourself, have made our opinions known about different people who surround(ed) Haleigh.

Isn't that mainly why we come here? We also have a "links" section for facts that CAN be verified. Aren't we here to talk with others and try and figure out WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH CUMMINGS?

Because you don't like my thoughts and opinions about certain people who were in this little girl's life doesn't mean I have to stop writing about my thoughts and opinions, any more than you do.

Let's not fight. I refuse to.

These are my thoughts and opinions.

seeker

05-02-2009, 05:45 PM

Just wondering... how do we know that this is really Misty's myspace. Could it be that someone is having a little fun and made up this page to look like it belongs to her? All this misinformation that is posted makes her look like a liar, not someone that is merely embellishing a little and that might be the whole point of it.
That could be. The pictures could have been pulled off the net. What would be someone's motivation for doing this, if it isn't Misty? It could be to make her come across as a liar. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but who would go to all the trouble? Not discounting you, just wondering.

Adding: After posting I re-read HouseofClark's point about family pictures. I was going to ask if anyone else had their computer go haywire when trying to see Misty's new page (if it is hers). I thought I got a virus and it took ten minutes to get off that page and work on my computer. I remember that Misty had pictures at a site like "Flickr," which is open for all to see, and free for the taking and re-posting.

my opinion

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 05:48 PM

If some of us think that Ron and/or Misty is responsible for what happened to Haleigh there's no reason that I can think of not to express that here. This is a board about Haleigh after all and the opinions we have about who is responsible should be able to be freely expressed.

Putting down other posters because they post opinions that disagree with yours is not comparable and is also against TOS.

I'm not seeker and she is very capable of speaking for herself but I wanted to step in and explain my thoughts on the difference between focusing on who might be responsible for what happened to Haleigh and focusing on posters that we disagree with.

AMO

If you would read her post to me about ME putting people down then hopefully you can understand why I wrote what I did. NO WAY was I telling other posters what they should post, agree with or disagree with.

I think you should read BOTH posts before accusing me.

JMO

Scampi

05-02-2009, 05:55 PM

While you are on your "lovefest" for seeker....Where is Haleigh?

Everyone has their own style of writing and it's not fair to any poster in here to be put down by you; just because you don't agree with them.

JMO

IMO, Mimi and Seeker have the most thought provoking and courteous posts on this board.

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 06:00 PM

Jacki,

I mentioned that it doesn't help to put down OTHER PEOPLE POSTING ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.

We're talking about Haleigh and what may have happened to her. Many of us, including yourself, have made our opinions known about different people who surround(ed) Haleigh.

Isn't that mainly why we come here? We also have a "links" section for facts that CAN be verified. Aren't we here to talk with others and try and figure out WHAT HAPPENED TO HALEIGH CUMMINGS?

Because you don't like my thoughts and opinions about certain people who were in this little girl's life doesn't mean I have to stop writing about my thoughts and opinions, any more than you do.

Let's not fight. I refuse to.

These are my thoughts and opinions.

Seeker I did not start this and this is the last I'm going to write on what I supposedly meant according to you. All I said was rumors should not be posted as fact and something that was posted on another message board as a she said/heard is considered a rumor unless it is backed up by fact; but hey if you and others want to believe it to be fact go right ahead but in NO way was I telling someone what they could or could not post. Just that rumors "shouldn't" be posted as fact. I believe this is part of TOS which we all should have read when we registered on this message board.

JMO

2boysMom

05-02-2009, 06:07 PM

Thanks for replying. And explaining.

But, why put down other people on this board? It just takes away from the discussion of Haleigh and it makes some people really uncomfortable; me, for instance.

You stated your firm belief in Ron and Misty's innocence. That's your right. Some agree with you and some don't. It isn't rumor when someone states that they heard about something, but are unsure of it's validity. It also isn't rumor because we disagree with what someone else believes.

These are my thoughts about that.

Definition of the word "rumor"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rumor

I believe a rumor is exactly what you just said it isn't.

Bolding is mine. IMO

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 06:10 PM

IMO, Mimi and Seeker have the most thought provoking and courteous posts on this board.

So do other posters. They should not be told that their posts are not up to par according to someone elses standards. Everyone has their own style of putting their thoughts into words. For some reason that statement just felt wrong to me. I have never reacted to a post on a message board like this.

JMO

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 06:15 PM

Definition of the word "rumor"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rumor

I believe a rumor is exactly what you just said it isn't.

Bolding is mine. IMO

ITA. Thank you for your post!!!

seeker

05-02-2009, 06:17 PM

Definition of the word "rumor"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rumor

I believe a rumor is exactly what you just said it isn't.

Bolding is mine. IMO

"You stated your firm belief in Ron and Misty's innocence. That's your right. Some agree with you and some don't. It isn't rumor when someone states that they heard about something, but are unsure of it's validity. It also isn't rumor because we disagree with what someone else believes."

<snipped and from my own post, to which you are referring>

These are my thoughts about that.

Thanks, when I read again what I wrote I see how it could be taken. Read that way you are so right. What I was trying to say is that this particular poster stated that they read it, but acknowledged that it might not be the gospel truth, stated that she knew it might not be valid (Not in those words) I am pretty sure this same poster, who is very careful to separate fact from possibility, stated at some point that some of the things we hear and read from the locals down there have turned out to be true.

Sorry for any confusion. I realize I didn't say it much better this time, but hopefully I've gotten my meaning across.

my opinion

panache

05-02-2009, 06:32 PM

Scampi

05-02-2009, 06:38 PM

I believe at one point, whether it was this thread or another, Coldwater came on and discussed links vs. opinion. What I remember most of all of CW's post that day, (paraphrasing), that if we couldn't maintain an adult discussion without demanding links all the time, she could just as easily make this board a links board only.

moo

I have heard Coldwater say that in the past and also, if memory serves it is perfectly okay to say you heard something, either saying where you heard it or not and it is up to the individual poster whether or not to believe it.

In my experience, after posting on a case for a time, one learns who is credible and who isn't.

panache

05-02-2009, 06:43 PM

Scampi

05-02-2009, 06:49 PM

No doubt if we are both wrong, Coldwater will swoop in. :biggrin:

I'm braced, are you? :tongue:

CC I See

05-02-2009, 06:50 PM

I have heard Coldwater say that in the past and also, if memory serves it is perfectly okay to say you heard something, either saying where you heard it or not and it is up to the individual poster whether or not to believe it.

In my experience, after posting on a case for a time, one learns who is credible and who isn't.

......I absolutely agree and it is up to the person posting to decide if they feel the source if credible or not and the reader to decide if they believe it or not. Not every statement can be proved.... just look at the court of law. Sometimes they have to take a person's word on whether something is true or not.

JackiBlu

05-02-2009, 06:58 PM

I did read her post and I understood what she meant about putting other posters down.

I wasn't implying that you are telling other posters what to post. Maybe I wasn't clear. I was trying to explain the difference in posting opinions about Ron's involvement and saying this,

I read the op about Misty and imo, it was made clear that this is what someone heard. People are free to believe it or not so why make an issue of what someone else believes? Actually, I didn't see anyone say they believed it, but if they do that's their business and their right. Speaking for myself, I don't know if she said that but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. You obviously feel different about her and that is your right as well.

Both Mimi and seeker spoke of the polarization on this forum and in their own way expressed how it interferes with meaningful discussion here. I happen to agree with both of them. From my own personal point of view you're not entirely at fault and I don't think that anyone implied that you are. We're all responsible for what we say here.

Wow...all of this because I stated MY OPINION about Crystal, even though it was on her myspace page, and on how rumors get started. Seems strange the only negative responses to my posts and what they supposedly meant are the posters who think Misty and/or Ron is GUILTY. I always type at the bottom of my post JMO.

I'm done, have better things to do than explain MY OPINIONS.

JMO

Praying for you sweet beautiful Haleigh. Come home soon baby.

2boysMom

05-02-2009, 07:07 PM

Wow...all of this because I stated MY OPINION about Crystal, even though it was on her myspace page, and on how rumors get started. Seems strange the only negative responses to my posts and what they supposedly meant are the posters who think Misty and/or Ron is GUILTY. I always type at the bottom of my post JMO.

I'm done, have better things to do than explain MY OPINIONS.

JMO

Praying for you sweet beautiful Haleigh. Come home soon baby.

I have appreciated your thoughtful posts and feel it would be a shame if you didn't come back. I know exactly how you feel, though. It is really rough here. So much hate for people who haven't even been proven to be guilty.

As always, for me, it is all about little Haleigh.

cat3

05-02-2009, 07:15 PM

I'm not a member of WS and can't access that thread. But some of the other sites I've been to also post things that are unsubstantiated by "links" that turn out to be true.

Just because there's a LINK to something doesn't make it the gospel. It's often just an opinion piece written in a blog, msm or not so mainstrem media website.

This "gotta link?" nonsense can be carried to extremes, imo.

AMO JMO MO MOO IMO MVHO

I'm just getting here today and haven't had time to read all of the posts,but wanted to comment about posting rumors.I don't mean that you are posting rumors,Grace,but saw your mention of WS.I'm not a member of WS either,and the reason being is that I don't care to read posts based on rumors.When people that are members bring the rumors over here it kind of defeats the purpose of this board,which to my understanding is mostly a fact based board.People can say scroll by all they like,but it's hard to know that you should have scrolled by until after you have read the post.Personally I'm sick of reading crap from the PL when it is posted here.If I wanted to read that crap I would sign up at WS.IMO

2boysMom

05-02-2009, 07:18 PM

I'm just getting here today and haven't had time to read all of the posts,but wanted to comment about posting rumors.I don't mean that you are posting rumors,Grace,but saw your mention of WS.I'm not a member of WS either,and the reason being is that I don't care to read posts based on rumors.When people that are members bring the rumors over here it kind of defeats the purpose of this board,which to my understanding is mostly a fact based board.People can say scroll by all they like,but it's hard to know that you should have scrolled by until after you have read the post.Personally I'm sick of reading crap from the PL when it is posted here.If I wanted to read that crap I would sign up at WS.IMO

Thanks, ITA

cat3

05-02-2009, 07:24 PM

I have appreciated your thoughtful posts and feel it would be a shame if you didn't come back. I know exactly how you feel, though. It is really rough here. So much hate for people who haven't even been proven to be guilty.

As always, for me, it is all about little Haleigh.

I don't even know what is going on here but I can guess.It is rough here and the only other time I can recall the boards being so ugly was during the ANS saga.We aren't there yet but it's getting close.I also hope JB will stay and not let it get to her.I hardly post anymore because the last three times I was chased around the board and had to defend myself more than I cared to,and all just for expressing an opinion.There is no reason for this kind of behaviour.We should all be free to post our thoughts free of harrassment from other members.IMO

cat3

05-02-2009, 07:52 PM

I don't know what to tell ya, I'm not a member and I didn't post any rumors. But I will say that many things that started out to be labeled as rumor turned out to be true in this case.

I think that if a so-called rumor coincides with a particular belief, it's a lot more palatable than one that doesn't. THAT'S where the problems lie most of the time here which brings us right back to the polarization on the board.

I tried to explain my position as have others, if it's a waste of time, so be it, I won't bother to do it anymore.

MO

I hear ya,Grace and I understand what you're saying.Speaking for myself I would like to see this board get back into being more about Haleigh.I feel as though we have gotten off track with the bit players.IMO

cat3

05-02-2009, 08:10 PM

I'm glad you understand because sometimes I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

What can we say about Haleigh besides she's missing, we all hope she's still alive and is found soon? Imo, that goes without saying. That's probably the ONE thing that we all agree on.

Some of the bit players are obviously involved unless you think it was a stranger abduction and even LE doesn't seem to think that.

I think that adults should be able to discuss these things without all the drama but maybe I'm wrong about that. That's frustrating to me and I'm cranky anyway today because my shoulder hurts and typing isn't helping, so I'm outta here.

Enjoy your evening, cat.

I'm out for a while too.Have some things I have to do,but you enjoy your evening as well.I think some of the bit players could be involved,but it seems that they are discussed just to point out how awful their lives are,and of course that is just my opinion.
I get frustrated as well with all the drama.I see posts that could be fruitful tossed to the side because people are so intent on arguing that the posts that actually could bring answers are ignored.IMO

2boysMom

05-02-2009, 08:14 PM

Exactly, 2boysMom. To paraphrase Nancy Grace - You can put perfume on a pig, but it`s still a pig.

:laugh: Thanks for the much needed chuckle, lizzie. Ya gotta love NG, IMO.

2boysMom

05-02-2009, 08:19 PM

"You stated your firm belief in Ron and Misty's innocence. That's your right. Some agree with you and some don't. It isn't rumor when someone states that they heard about something, but are unsure of it's validity. It also isn't rumor because we disagree with what someone else believes."

<snipped and from my own post, to which you are referring>

These are my thoughts about that.

Thanks, when I read again what I wrote I see how it could be taken. Read that way you are so right. What I was trying to say is that this particular poster stated that they read it, but acknowledged that it might not be the gospel truth, stated that she knew it might not be valid (Not in those words) I am pretty sure this same poster, who is very careful to separate fact from possibility, stated at some point that some of the things we hear and read from the locals down there have turned out to be true.

Sorry for any confusion. I realize I didn't say it much better this time, but hopefully I've gotten my meaning across.

my opinion

Thanks, seeker. I got it now. :smile:

panache

05-02-2009, 08:32 PM

A Reminder Why We Visit Here.

Credit goes to Faith of HFTM who found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGkq7MwizU

5boxersmom

05-02-2009, 08:49 PM

A Reminder Why We Visit Here.

Credit goes to Faith of HFTM who found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGkq7MwizU

I have never seen that before. TY. She is such a beautiful little girl. I do not know how they handle not knowing where she is. I would be in a mental hospital. I also do not understand how some, like Casey can murder their children and just dump them like they are trash. :crying::sad:

I so much want Haleigh to be alive. I can't give that hope up yet.

imo

CelticDawn

05-02-2009, 09:08 PM

My sentiments exactly. I am thinking about all the time Cobra and others have spent there looking for that sweet and innocent little girl. Cobra's wife and family members must miss him terribly. To add to that Cobra is putting himself in dangerous territory and all for the sake of finding little Haleigh. The more I think about it the more angry it is making me feel.
All MVHO

You know...I HAVE TO ADMIT at first I was totally repulsed by Cobra....not HIM but his LANGUAGE....on that first video he did when he went on the search of that trailer in the woods with one of the Grandmothers???....but lately I have gained LOTS OF respect for him....Lots.

Texas48

05-02-2009, 09:48 PM

I want to preface this with a strong: These are only my thoughts and opinions.

Hi Hannah, I wish I could believe like you. I don't think there was any plan. I think, in a moment of fury Haleigh was killed by her father. That, for some reason, she became the object of his rage. It is the only explanation, in my humble opinion.

It explains why he married Misty. To keep her quiet. I think she and Ronald were the only adults there, along with a little boy that is probably so scarred and traumatized that he may never remember anything correctly. Misty may also be very scarred and traumatized, but it is hard to see that in her, though in the beginning it appeared she was.

As far as Ron's lack of interest, he is probably operating out of fear of being found out at any moment. I also see him as a possible sociopath, with no regard for anyone but himself. People who lack consciences are very often charismatic and come off as genuine and concerned. He doesn't usually try to do even that. He isn't a good actor, though he tries, at times.

He may feel sadness, even regret. But not enough to come clean.

I know this post may really upset some and for that I am sorry. If I am wrong, I will gladly admit it.

These are all just my thoughts and opinions.

Do not know why you believe ppl would upset at your theories seeker.. That is one of my *several* senerios as a matter of fact.. I do believe Ron could have a temper..not that I believe ppl are scared to death of him..but he appears to be a person that could show his angre if provoked. It is a possiblity that Ron may have lost control and something happened to Haleigh that he did not intend to happen.. Of course with this senerio comes other things. I feel certain LE hac taken statements from all that saw Haleigh the day before..the a/c man(never found out his name) ggm says she was there..neighbor says she saw Haleigh playing..all this after Ron went to work. Only LE knows the timeline for that afternoon. So..thats as far as I can go..I do think it is possible that Ron did not have anything to do with Haleigh missing and then that leads me to Misty. I can only go so far with that. I do not believe it was a SO.. I may be proven wrong. I am open to the theorie it was a friend that knew Ron/Misty and kids..knew the sleeping arrangements. which friend? Havent really been told who was friends w/Ron..ya know...like good buds...we have never heard from any of his ....friends....strange. i want to ty for your opinion ..means alot...

seeker

05-02-2009, 09:49 PM

Thanks, seeker. I got it now. :smile:

I'm glad. I appreciate your letting me know.

seeker

05-02-2009, 09:58 PM

Do not know why you believe ppl would upset at your theories seeker.. That is one of my *several* senerios as a matter of fact.. I do believe Ron could have a temper..not that I believe ppl are scared to death of him..but he appears to be a person that could show his angre if provoked. It is a possiblity that Ron may have lost control and something happened to Haleigh that he did not intend to happen.. Of course with this senerio comes other things. I feel certain LE hac taken statements from all that saw Haleigh the day before..the a/c man(never found out his name) ggm says she was there..neighbor says she saw Haleigh playing..all this after Ron went to work. Only LE knows the timeline for that afternoon. So..thats as far as I can go..I do think it is possible that Ron did not have anything to do with Haleigh missing and then that leads me to Misty. I can only go so far with that. I do not believe it was a SO.. I may be proven wrong. I am open to the theorie it was a friend that knew Ron/Misty and kids..knew the sleeping arrangements. which friend? Havent really been told who was friends w/Ron..ya know...like good buds...we have never heard from any of his ....friends....strange. i want to ty for your opinion ..means alot...

Thanks, Tex. I've also wondered where Ron's friends are. Does he have any real friends, and if he does, why are they not speaking up for him? If they are silent because they have been asked to be, than that would make sense. There are so many questions.

It seems unlikely that anyone came in and took Haleigh, in my opinion. The marriage to Misty is the big clue, in a sea of other clues that began the moment the 911 dispatcher answered their call.

These are my opinions.

panache

05-02-2009, 10:03 PM

You know...I HAVE TO ADMIT at first I was totally repulsed by Cobra....not HIM but his LANGUAGE....on that first video he did when he went on the search of that trailer in the woods with one of the Grandmothers???....but lately I have gained LOTS OF respect for him....Lots.

I think under that gruff exterior Cobra shows to the world, is a man with a lot of heart. Especially re Haleigh. Did you hear how sincere he was by that woman who is feeding and helping the girls like Nay Nay and Amber?

Rev. Grund asked him to go to Patulak to see if he could help with the case, and if Rev Grund approves of him as a man of character, that says a lot to me.

moo

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:12 PM

I can't answer for seeker, but I can say that I did not interpret her posts to be contradictory. I think she does a far better job than a whole lot of our board companions in writing coherently & making it patently clear that she is thinking about some of the possibilities that might explain the things we have seen & heard from the various members of Haleigh's family.

I wish more of our fellow posters had the desire & the motivation (like seeker) to write out their posts so that it is clear to others when they are posting their interpretations & their opinions. IMOO, it beats the heck out of the push/pull exchanges where attempts are made to completely polarize discussion of even little nitpicking things.

I don't think any of us nor any of the people involved in this case can be sorted into only one of two categories - saints on one side, demons on the other - yet we see on a daily basis that as soon as one parent is being discussed & something uncomplimentary is posted, the backlash begins to post something 'worse' about the other parent. I have had moments when I got the distinct impression that the goal of the individual was to snipe, rather than to have a rational debate & discussion of the various & sundry elements of the case.

JMONVHO
I agree mimi..but I see it from *both sides* of the fence..it always seem to end up as tit for tat...no ONE poster is to blame for doing this..it is NOT one sided imo.

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 10:18 PM

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:19 PM

If some of us think that Ron and/or Misty is responsible for what happened to Haleigh there's no reason that I can think of not to express that here. This is a board about Haleigh after all and the opinions we have about who is responsible should be able to be freely expressed.

Putting down other posters because they post opinions that disagree with yours is not comparable and is also against TOS.

I'm not seeker and she is very capable of speaking for herself but I wanted to step in and explain my thoughts on the difference between focusing on who might be responsible for what happened to Haleigh and focusing on posters that we disagree with.

AMOI will agree that discussing what happened to Haleigh and who may have had something to do with her missing IS talking about Haleigh..I have no problem with that. I DO NOT AGREE with putting ANY poster down for the way they post or for the way they believe..jmo and my 2 cents worth..

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:22 PM

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:26 PM

If you would read her post to me about ME putting people down then hopefully you can understand why I wrote what I did. NO WAY was I telling other posters what they should post, agree with or disagree with.

I think you should read BOTH posts before accusing me.

JMOI can see the point you were making Jacki..I believe this happends more often than not that a poster will only read one post or skip over and read and then that poster does NOT get the entire words/meanings of both/all post involved.. it does happen..

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:29 PM

Not necessarily. Pictures can be seen and reproduced elsewhere. Someone who would like to see Misty take the fall for this, or take suspicion away from him or her self could go that far.I can see where that is possible and does not seem that it would be all that hard to do..

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:42 PM

I don't even know what is going on here but I can guess.It is rough here and the only other time I can recall the boards being so ugly was during the ANS saga.We aren't there yet but it's getting close.I also hope JB will stay and not let it get to her.I hardly post anymore because the last three times I was chased around the board and had to defend myself more than I cared to,and all just for expressing an opinion.There is no reason for this kind of behaviour.We should all be free to post our thoughts free of harrassment from other members.IMOGreat post cat..Jacki will not leave..there are many good posters here and imo there is no reason for any poster to have to defend their opinions..that type of behaviour is disgusting. I just wish many would see that and this type of harrassment would stop. I am sorry that happened to you..please dont feel you have to stop posting or be afraid to not post your opinion.

Texas48

05-02-2009, 10:45 PM

I'm out for a while too.Have some things I have to do,but you enjoy your evening as well.I think some of the bit players could be involved,but it seems that they are discussed just to point out how awful their lives are,and of course that is just my opinion.
I get frustrated as well with all the drama.I see posts that could be fruitful tossed to the side because people are so intent on arguing that the posts that actually could bring answers are ignored.IMOanother good post cat and I hope all will read and re-read from time to time. good night

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 10:47 PM

Wow. The interview that Cobra did was extremely eye opening. I have a lot of respect for this guy and see his heart is in the right place. This part I found interesting:

Cobra: The only sin that I have committed is to try and help another father who apparently doesn't want to find his child for whatever reason I'm looking for his child and I have said to him, "why are you out buying dope, getting tattoos, getting married, going on trips, gambling, buying vehicles, all these things that your doing, brother you can buy me a tank of gas, you could buy me lunch one day, something to show me that you care about your daughter.

He is so right on the money with that. I don't feel any sympathy for Ronald whatsoever. I think it's disgusting that this small town is giving Cobra grief, if they want to be ticked at anyone, they should be ticked at Misty for all the problems she has caused as well as hiding information pertaining to Haleigh. Like Cobra stated, she has cost the taxpayers a bundle of money. You'd think that town would be chasing her out, instead of Cobra. What is happening down there is truly disturbing on so many levels. I, for one, will be sending Cobra money immediately.

moo

Good for Cobra!

Where was that interview at?

TIA

(:

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 10:51 PM

A link was posted yesterday to Misty's new myspace page. Her myspace page was something to read, IMHO.

I wanted to post the link here again today; but, Misty's page has since been changed to private...

It makes me wonder who is behind the suggestions, reminders?

moo

Could be one of two things ...

Somebody is tipping her to keep it private

She used the new myspace layout and did not understand each section has to be made private separately until somebody explained it to her

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 10:52 PM

Good for Cobra!

Where was that interview at?

TIA

(:

try this:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

moo

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 10:53 PM

Could be one of two things ...

Somebody is tipping her to keep it private

She used the new myspace layout and did not understand each section has to be made private separately until somebody explained it to her

Thanks, TaraCrazyHair; I believe you are correct.

Did you see the link and the myspace page?

moo

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:06 PM

Thanks, TaraCrazyHair; I believe you are correct.

Did you see the link and the myspace page?

moo

I saw the link to it this morning and went to check it out before work

I wish I could remember if it was the new layout or the old

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 11:09 PM

I saw the link to it this morning and went to check it out before work

I wish I could remember if it was the new layout or the old

It was most definitely "the new" layout; and there is no doubt in my mind it belonged to Misty; as opposed to someone else using her name.

moo

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:10 PM

try this:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

moo

Thanks (:

I used to have TJ on my Twitter but he has left Twitter ... I think sometimes this consumes those guys as much as it consumes us .. and in that sense I feel they are doing what they can and are not "faking" interest for publicity

Hats off to them both

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:12 PM

It was most definitely "the new" layout; and there is no doubt in my mind it belonged to Misty; as opposed to someone else using her name.

moo

My guess is somebody messaged her to let her know how to set each part as private then

Although, when one has a page like that -- it seems it would be open for well wishers and tipsters to go to ... delete the nasty comments

It is her stepdaughter who is missing after all

Moo

teresa

05-02-2009, 11:13 PM

Let me also add that at least a dozen locals post on that Haleigh thread and share their observations and village experiences. Oddly enough, much of what they see, hear, eventually turns out to be true. I find their contributions to be a wealth of information. Its called a Rumor thread, based on their own personal knowledge and no links are required, although many links are provided if possible.

moo

And much of what they post is proven to be not true. The two most active posters assured everyone that it is a fact that Ron sent Junior to Mary's door to get baby J. As we all know, that is not true.

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 11:15 PM

Thanks (:

I used to have TJ on my Twitter but he has left Twitter ... I think sometimes this consumes those guys as much as it consumes us .. and in that sense I feel they are doing what they can and are not "faking" interest for publicity

Hats off to them both

I agree, TaraCrazyHair. There is a substantial emotional toll; placed on the individuals, who tirelessly research and investigate missing children cases.

moo

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:18 PM

I agree, TaraCrazyHair. There is a substantial emotional toll; placed on the individuals, who tirelessly research and investigate missing children cases.

moo

It is really sad when total strangers put more of their time into this than the actual players

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 11:19 PM

My guess is somebody messaged her to let her know how to set each part as private then

Although, when one has a page like that -- it seems it would be open for well wishers and tipsters to go to ... delete the nasty comments

It is her stepdaughter who is missing after all

Moo

The Misty Cummings page I read last night was very insightful, IMHO. Here's the link to what is now a myspace page set to private:

http://www.myspace.com/memec014

moo

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:20 PM

And much of what they post is proven to be not true. The two most active posters assured everyone that it is a fact that Ron sent Junior to Mary's door to get baby J. As we all know, that is not true.

Did they repeat it after it was cleared up though?

The original report was wrong .. we all know that know

Those that still harp on falsehoods need to get facts straight but those who merely discuss it until it is clear what the facts really are not doing any wrong

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 11:22 PM

It is really sad when total strangers put more of their time into this than the actual players

I agree; and it seems that by "lawyering up" only complicates and delays all efforts to find a missing child or the truth...

moo

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:25 PM

The Misty Cummings page I read last night was very insightful, IMHO. Here's the link to what is now a myspace page set to private:

http://www.myspace.com/memec014

moo

What I saw this morning was a very immature girl

I still see that just by the name ~ haleigh's ~ step ~ mommy ~ i ~love ~ you ~ followed by Misty Cummings right below it

Yet -- under status ... it still says "in a relationship" she never changed it to married

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:31 PM

I agree; and it seems that by "lawyering up" only complicates and delays all efforts to find a missing child or the truth...

moo

I find it odd that there has not been a word, a plea, nothing since the marriage

Neither one of them have been anywhere talking, begging for Haleigh's return, searching ... simply silence

It is almost like life just moved on for them

Not a good sign in my book

tinkerbell

05-02-2009, 11:34 PM

What I saw this morning was a very immature girl

I still see that just by the name ~ haleigh's ~ step ~ mommy ~ i ~love ~ you ~ followed by Misty Cummings right below it

Yet -- under status ... it still says "in a relationship" she never changed it to married

I see the last login was today May 2. I don't see a status/relationship at all...

I did read yesterday, before the profile was set to private, in paragraph form where she/Misty had married RC, etc... I didn't note the relationship status usually indicated as a portion of the member's profile.

moo

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 11:45 PM

Wow. The interview that Cobra did was extremely eye opening. I have a lot of respect for this guy and see his heart is in the right place. This part I found interesting:

Cobra: The only sin that I have committed is to try and help another father who apparently doesn't want to find his child for whatever reason I'm looking for his child and I have said to him, "why are you out buying dope, getting tattoos, getting married, going on trips, gambling, buying vehicles, all these things that your doing, brother you can buy me a tank of gas, you could buy me lunch one day, something to show me that you care about your daughter.

He is so right on the money with that. I don't feel any sympathy for Ronald whatsoever. I think it's disgusting that this small town is giving Cobra grief, if they want to be ticked at anyone, they should be ticked at Misty for all the problems she has caused as well as hiding information pertaining to Haleigh. Like Cobra stated, she has cost the taxpayers a bundle of money. You'd think that town would be chasing her out, instead of Cobra. What is happening down there is truly disturbing on so many levels. I, for one, will be sending Cobra money immediately.

moo

I don't feel any sympathy for Ronald either. I never did. A couple of posters are already putting Cobra down for telling the truth about what Ronald Cummings is doing, out buying dope, getting tattoos, getting married, going on trips, gambling, buying vehicles, like no one knew it before Cobra said it.
Ronald is a jerk that thinks he can get away with what ever he wants to do.

MOO

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:46 PM

I see the last login was today May 2. I don't see a status/relationship at all...

I did read yesterday, before the profile was set to private, in paragraph form where she/Misty had married RC, etc... I didn't note the relationship status usually indicated as a portion of the member's profile.

moo

It was under the usual for myspace

In that area, her status was still "in a relationship"

I guess nobody told how to change that

(:

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:52 PM

I don't feel any sympathy for Ronald either. I never did. A couple of posters are already putting Cobra down for telling the truth about what Ronald Cummings is doing, out buying dope, getting tattoos, getting married, going on trips, gambling, buying vehicles, like no one knew it before Cobra said it.
Ronald is a jerk that thinks he can get away with what ever he wants to do.

MOO

I wonder where the "buying dope" comes from and if it can be substantiated

Hannah21

05-02-2009, 11:56 PM

I wonder where the "buying dope" comes from and if it can be substantiated

From the arrests in that town I think it is a pass time they all partake in.

MO

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:57 PM

From the arrests in that town I think it is a pass time they all partake in.

MO

why wasn't he arrested as well then?

teresa

05-02-2009, 11:59 PM

Did they repeat it after it was cleared up though?

The original report was wrong .. we all know that know

Those that still harp on falsehoods need to get facts straight but those who merely discuss it until it is clear what the facts really are not doing any wrong

They are where the original reports came from. Even before Art H had anything. They just ignored it when the truth came out. (Are we allowed to discuss another board? I don't know but I had to respond to that other post.)

I hope you've been doing ok!

TaraCrazyHair

05-02-2009, 11:59 PM

Remember before Caylee Anthony's body was found, people were all but terrorizing the Anthony's at their home. Yet in Satsuma, they nark and harass Cobra? Wth is the deal with these people? I feel like Cobra gave le a pat on the back to calm the waters and believe after Haleigh is found, the real truth will come out, once he is safe and sound and out of Ratsuma. These people should be supporting Cobra, not diminishing his efforts, imo. I'm not saying they need to cover his expenses, but they could at least support him for trying to find out what happened to Haleigh and possibly find her or her remains. It just shows what he has to deal with down there and it sickens me.

People should be picketing outside the newlyweds home, which of course would be outside Granny Sykes home because imo, the deadbeat Ronald refuses to get off his druggy butt to do anything. Not looking for his daughter, not working, not speaking out for Haleigh's sake. What an idiot, imo.

moo

It would be interesting to know exactly what he does all day

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:01 AM

They are where the original reports came from. Even before Art H had anything. They just ignored it when the truth came out. (Are we allowed to discuss another board? I don't know but I had to respond to that other post.)

I hope you've been doing ok!

I "think" we can discuss other boards but not link to them

Rules change far too much here for me to keep up!

Allergies are kicking my butt right now, but other than that I am doing good .. thanks for asking (:

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:04 AM

why wasn't he arrested as well then?

I don't know, Tara. I can only guess that he either hasn't gotten caught in any of the drug raids or LE is waiting until they have some cold hard evidence that will keep RC behind bars for a very long time. I can only hope that LE is not part of the drug cartel or covering up crimes. There are crooked cops every where. I hope those that are working on Haleigh's case are straight up cops working to solve crime and bring justice for Haleigh.
Frankly, I don't know how RC got out of all of his other drug busts. It is a mystery I hope time will tell.

MOO

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:10 AM

For some reason, Ronald Cummings is some kind of hero down there, or so it seems to me. I want to know, was he immediately questioned or brought in when Hank Croslin claimed Ronald was trying to kill him? And I always thought it was a big deal when someone gave you prescription drugs that were not prescribed to the patient. I think it's ridiculous that Ronald has not been brought in for anything. Not for bedding teenage girls, not for passing out drugs like they're candy, not for anything. In my town, if this was RC, they'd pull him over for speeding 1 mph over the speed limit. Makes me crazy to think of what this guy has gotten away with.

On a separate note, I'd pay money to see Misty's juvey record, I bet that rap sheet is a mile long.

moo

The prescription drug thing buggers me as well

We had a kid here in town who gave a friend a vicodin with a bad reaction and he was sent to prison

There was also an older lday who gave some of her pain meds for back problems to her BF and it was fatal to him .. she is also in prison

Well intentioned help but illegal nonetheless .. no free pass

How is Ron walking away from everything?

Including a missing daughter!

Odd Odd Odd

tinkerbell

05-03-2009, 12:10 AM

For some reason, Ronald Cummings is some kind of hero down there, or so it seems to me. I want to know, was he immediately questioned or brought in when Hank Croslin claimed Ronald was trying to kill him? And I always thought it was a big deal when someone gave you prescription drugs that were not prescribed to the patient. I think it's ridiculous that Ronald has not been brought in for anything. Not for bedding teenage girls, not for passing out drugs like they're candy, not for anything. In my town, if this was RC, they'd pull him over for speeding 1 mph over the speed limit. Makes me crazy to think of what this guy has gotten away with.

On a separate note, I'd pay money to see Misty's juvey record, I bet that rap sheet is a mile long.

moo

51Viking, it appears IMHO, that there's a whole lot of folks "getting away" with criminal activity/charges/prosecution "down there"...

moo

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:12 AM

Remember before Caylee Anthony's body was found, people were all but terrorizing the Anthony's at their home. Yet in Satsuma, they nark and harass Cobra? Wth is the deal with these people? I feel like Cobra gave le a pat on the back to calm the waters and believe after Haleigh is found, the real truth will come out, once he is safe and sound and out of Ratsuma. These people should be supporting Cobra, not diminishing his efforts, imo. I'm not saying they need to cover his expenses, but they could at least support him for trying to find out what happened to Haleigh and possibly find her or her remains. It just shows what he has to deal with down there and it sickens me.

People should be picketing outside the newlyweds home, which of course would be outside Granny Sykes home because imo, the deadbeat Ronald refuses to get off his druggy butt to do anything. Not looking for his daughter, not working, not speaking out for Haleigh's sake. What an idiot, imo.

moo

I agree that the towns people should be picketing and demanding justice for Haleigh. They should also want their town to be clean and they should help LE to clean up the drugs and crime. It seems that part of the towns people are drug addicts, dealers and pimps and the rest of them are scared. They don't seem to care about a missing little girl. It is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard.
IMO the town and everyone in it needs an enema.

JSMO

bookie

05-03-2009, 12:16 AM

The prescription drug thing buggers me as well

We had a kid here in town who gave a friend a vicodin with a bad reaction and he was sent to prison

There was also an older lday who gave some of her pain meds for back problems to her BF and it was fatal to him .. she is also in prison

Well intentioned help but illegal nonetheless .. no free pass

How is Ron walking away from everything?

Including a missing daughter!

Odd Odd Odd

Police have said he was at work and they have said Haleigh was seen by a neighbor after he went to work. I don't see that as walking away from a missing daughter. It sounds to me like police know he had no involvement. They have said his alibi has been confirmed.

Hank was on his own meds. Any reaction he had was of his own doing. That may be the difference in the cases in your area.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:21 AM

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:24 AM

Yes, I totally agree with you. At this point, I think Ronald has le fooled, well heck, I think Ronald has had le fooled from the beginning. Have you ever seen a Sheriff stand side by side with a possible suspect, giving an interview? I am seriously asking, because it seemed in a few of the interviews, when Sheriff Hardy was standing next to Ronald during the interview, that he was supporting Ronald. I've followed many missing childrens cases and haven't seen that happen, please correct me if I am wrong, I may have missed it.

moo

Sounds a lot like LE there is dirty.

MOO

teresa

05-03-2009, 12:24 AM

I "think" we can discuss other boards but not link to them

Rules change far too much here for me to keep up!

Allergies are kicking my butt right now, but other than that I am doing good .. thanks for asking (:

I'm with you on the allergies. It's been awful so far for me too.

I hope the grandbaby to be is doing fine. Nice to see you.

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:26 AM

And yet LE still has not cleared him as a suspect. Nor Misty. They still think she is the key to getting the truth that will lead to finding Haleigh.

MO

Misty is obviously the key ... she has yet to tell a straight story

Interesting as well is LE saying inconsistent stories from family

Makes me wonder about GGM and her visit to drop off clothes that evening ... did she say something to LE that makes them wonder if perhaps it was a different night?

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:29 AM

Hank also recanted the allegation that Ron had tried to kill him by giving him a pill.

As well Hank should without proof because that becomes attempted murder

The mere fact a report was filed with police over distributing illegal prescriptions should have been enough for a warrant

Yet, nada

bookie

05-03-2009, 12:31 AM

Hank also recanted the allegation that Ron had tried to kill him by giving him a pill.

True and with everything else going on in this case I don't see 1 pill being a priority.

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:32 AM

There is no name for the a/c guy but we know he exists. The police haven't released names which is why we don't know who the neighbor is.

LE hasn't cleared Crystal or Chad either so no I don't think it's very telling that they haven't cleared Ron. They haven't said much of anything about this case so it's very possible Ron, Crystal, Chad and others have been cleared.

When talking about inconsistencies or doubts about this case the only person they mention is Misti. Their focus appears to be on her and no one else.

I think their focus is on Ron, Misty and the immediate family

The fact Ron has not been cleared is very telling

Question is why not?

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:34 AM

There is no name for the a/c guy but we know he exists. The police haven't released names which is why we don't know who the neighbor is.

LE hasn't cleared Crystal or Chad either so no I don't think it's very telling that they haven't cleared Ron. They haven't said much of anything about this case so it's very possible Ron, Crystal, Chad and others have been cleared.

When talking about inconsistencies or doubts about this case the only person they mention is Misti. Their focus appears to be on her and no one else.

Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that they need the truth? Maybe a witness as to what really happen that night. Who is she protecting? Who is the one person that she would protect? There is only one. Her new man that she wanted to marry so bad and keeping the secret sealed the deal and made her a Mrs. nobody instead of a Miss nobody.

JSMO

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:35 AM

True and with everything else going on in this case I don't see 1 pill being a priority.

What else is going on with this case?

There has been no movement

Unless you count Amber and nay nay getting arrested

Which I don't .. unless they can be tied to the disappearance

1 pill or 50 pills makes no difference in the eyes of the law

Illegal distribution

Plain and simple

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:38 AM

What else is going on with this case?

There has been no movement

Unless you count Amber and nay nay getting arrested

Which I don't .. unless they can be tied to the disappearance

1 pill or 50 pills makes no difference in the eyes of the law

Illegal distribution

Plain and simple

Hopefully, LE letting RC get away with the distribution of drugs is because they are holding out for something bigger that keeps him behind bars a long time. I really don't want to think LE is so dirty that they don't care about a missing child. I hope they are just trying to build up RC to get cocky enough that he messes up and then they have him right where he should be. In jail.

MO

tinkerbell

05-03-2009, 12:40 AM

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? It especially made me wonder when they sent TES home. No more searches, not letting anyone else search, letting Ronald get away with even the smallest of crimes. They yanked CA in for uttering forged checks, why wouldn't they do the same with Ronald and bring him in on a smaller charge?

In my opinion, Hank Croslin only recanted his story when he sobered up and realized the truth he spoke, wasn't going to benefit him. Where would he get his drugs from in the future? Ronald is his personal candy man.

moo

Wrong or right, Satsuma is on the national stage.

Many here, on this board, have researched and posted links regarding criminal charges/records corresponding with Haleigh's family members and their "friends".

It's difficult to fathom how so many of those charges have been dismissed, etc...

moo

bookie

05-03-2009, 12:41 AM

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:41 AM

Hopefully, LE letting RC get away with the distribution of drugs is because they are holding out for something bigger that keeps him behind bars a long time. I really don't want to think LE is so dirty that they don't care about a missing child. I hope they are just trying to build up RC to get cocky enough that he messes up and then they have him right where he should be. In jail.

MO

I think so too

He tends to fly under the radar ... they need something solid

I doubt the FLA LE is that dirty for a small timer in a trailer park

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 12:48 AM

<bolding mine>

Yes, of course there are all the druggy charges he got away with, but the hit and run is the one that sticks out strongly in my mind. And depending on what Misty's rap sheet looks like, it's anyones guess as to what that could reflect. She was kicked out of her house and like I said last night, it must have taken A LOT to kick her out. Ronald also owns guns and at this point, I would think it to be wise to not let that man near a can opener, muchless a firearm.

moo

RC had a hit and run?? I have not heard about that. Just when I think RC is a low as a snake he gets lower.

MO

bookie

05-03-2009, 12:52 AM

Cobra speaks well of 3 LEO. Hardy, Dominic Piscatello and a female that I'm not familiar with named Cohen? ( not sure if that's right, just going by what I heard him say on the video but don't remember seeing the name in print) Piscatello is chief of major crimes for the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department. I think it's possible that low level LE are the ones that are making things difficult for Cobra and are probably involved in the sex/drug trade as well. This could be why Teflon Ron never seems to be held accountable for anything.

AMO

Are the judges and prosecutors involved too? You do know the cases went to court and in 1 the prosecution decided not to proceed.

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 12:54 AM

A missing child is going on. Peripheral players getting arrested. A sex offender disappearing shortly before said child disappears.

That SO was also endangered himself ... no relation to Haleigh's disappearance

The answer is inside that trailer that night

Abductors do not turn on lights ...

That is the biggest thing in her story ... more than the brick

tinkerbell

05-03-2009, 12:59 AM

Could be, I don't know. Something isn't right down there...how big it is, I couldn't say.

I like your posts, Grace; please keep them up...

moo

bookie

05-03-2009, 01:01 AM

That SO was also endangered himself ... no relation to Haleigh's disappearance

The answer is inside that trailer that night

Abductors do not turn on lights ...

That is the biggest thing in her story ... more than the brick

The police can't say there is no connection between Reynolds and Haleigh's disappearance since they can'tfind him to question him. He hasn't been "endangered" in a awhile now.

When Polly Klaas was kidnapped we heard abductors didn't kidnap children in the middle of a slumber party but that happened. When Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped we heard abductors didn't kidnap children from a room with a sibling in it but that is what happened. Pedophiles will stop at nothing to take what they want.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:02 AM

Hey Grace. You could very well be right, but what do you make of Sheriff Hardy standing side by side with Ronald on a few of those interviews? Seems to me it was a show of support, because I can't recall another le officer standing next to any possible suspect in a nationwide tv interview, ever. I'm sure I am wrong, it most likely has happened in the past, but I've never seen it. Also, those 8 hours that Ronald has been *cleared* disturbs me. I want to know if he usually worked side by side with someone, who that someone is and if there was an opportunity for him to slip out. He could have easily left his cellphone at work, making the trip back to Green Lane, we all know it has happened in other crimes when the person has said they were at work the entire time and then come to find out later, they were not.

Today, when watching Cobra's interview, it really struck me when he was stating that Ronald has done all these things such as buying new vehicles, wedding, trips and does virtually nothing to aid in helping to find Haleigh. Why? Why will this man do nothing to help aid in finding his daughter? At the very least, ask his new bride some dang questions already instead of copping "well, I didn't ask her" Huh? Wouldn't you ask her those questions prior to giving her an heirloom ring and wedding her?

moo

Because RC already knows where Haleigh is. Misty is covering for him. RC was not expecting anyone to ask him what he asked Misty. All he wanted to do was repeat the Misty script or say " I dunno I wus at work".
I don't believe that ring is any heirloom either. Donation money paid for that ring. Not one of them in that family could have afforded that ring prior to the donation money rolling in. TN backed up the story about the ring just like she did everything else.

MY strong opinion.

bookie

05-03-2009, 01:03 AM

Are the FBI that are working the case involved in this sex/drug trading?

Next we'll hear the FBI is in on it too.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:04 AM

TaraCrazyHair

05-03-2009, 01:06 AM

The police can't say there is no connection between Reynolds and Haleigh's disappearance since they can'tfind him to question him. He hasn't been "endangered" in a awhile now.

When Polly Klaas was kidnapped we heard abductors didn't kidnap children in the middle of a slumber party but that happened. When Elizabeth Smart was kidnapped we heard abductors didn't kidnap children from a room with a sibling in it but that is what happened. Pedophiles will stop at nothing to take what they want.

The timeline of the SO compared with the timing of Haleigh would be enough

This was not an abduction by any SO nor is it a SA in my mind

Ron and Misty are the key to poor little Haleigh

Misty who cannot get a story straight and Ron "I don't know, I was at work" are who the focus should be on

And now they have disappeared from the media .. doing God knows what but certainly not reaching out to that little girl

Very telling

MOO

Nite

(:

bookie

05-03-2009, 01:06 AM

Because RC already knows where Haleigh is. Misty is covering for him. RC was not expecting anyone to ask him what he asked Misty. All he wanted to do was repeat the Misty script or say " I dunno I wus at work".
I don't believe that ring is any heirloom either. Donation money paid for that ring. Not one of them in that family could have afforded that ring prior to the donation money rolling in. TN backed up the story about the ring just like she did everything else.

MY strong opinion.

You are privy to the finances of TN and the rest of Ron's family? :rolleyes: I believe that about as much as I believe in Santa Claus.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:08 AM

You are privy to the finances of TN and the rest of Ron's family? :rolleyes: I believe that about as much as I believe in Santa Claus.

Just common sense. Besides if TN ever had a ring like that, Ronald would have stolen it when he was a teenager and sold it for drugs.

JMO

bookie

05-03-2009, 01:10 AM

The timeline of the SO compared with the timing of Haleigh would be enough

This was not an abduction by any SO nor is it a SA in my mind

Ron and Misty are the key to poor little Haleigh

Misty who cannot get a story straight and Ron "I don't know, I was at work" are who the focus should be on

And now they have disappeared from the media .. doing God knows what but certainly not reaching out to that little girl

Very telling

MOO

Nite

(:

I disagree. They don't know where he is and never have since he disappeared so they have no timeline on him. All they know is he left. They don't know where he has been or what he has been doing since he left.

I also disagree with your last paragraph. Ron reached out. He made pleas on tv and got ridiculed for it. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

bookie

05-03-2009, 01:11 AM

Just common sense. Besides if TN ever had a ring like that, Ronald would have stolen it when he was a teenager and sold it for drugs.

JMO

You'll stop at nothing will you? :rolleyes:

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:14 AM

There was one video I remember seeing of Ron w/ Hardy in the background. Ron was doing his fake pleading and Hardy gave him this look that made me think he knew Ron was full of it. This was early on before I thought about some LEO's possibly being dirty, but I still remember that look. At the time I was hoping they were on to him and eventually would get the truth from him and Misty. But now I'm wondering if what's going on down there is much bigger than than a missing child.

This would also explain why they don't want any searches done. Not because they don't want to find Haleigh but because they don't want people to find labs or other evidence of illegal activities.

AMO

I remember that video and that look Hardy gave him. I think Hardy knows RC and is not fooled at all.
Do you remember the Susan Smith case? There was one detective that stayed close to her as well. He is the one that finally got the confession from her. He never believe her story from the beginning but he made her think he did and he talked to her every day until he finally broke her down to confess.
LE works that way some times.

MO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:16 AM

You'll stop at nothing will you? :rolleyes:

I will stop at the truth. I don't believe a word that ever came out of RC's mouth. Not one.

Ronald Cummings kind are a dime a dozen.

MO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:21 AM

I didn't follow the SS case like I have this one, so I don't know about the detective.

I'm glad you know the video and the look I'm talking about and picked up on it too. :smile:

Many people picked up on that look. And RC's fake monotone pleading.

MO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:28 AM

Good to know :thumbsup: I've never seen it discussed here.

I haven't seen it discussed here either. I have on other blogs and people aside from the internet. The first time I saw the video I missed it. A lady I was in line behind at the grocery store saw it and was talking about it. So I watched the video again and there it was, plain as day.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:43 AM

my bold

That too! That also makes me wonder who is covering for Ron besides Misty.

His dad could be. We have already seen his dad get in GR face and say
"back off that's my son". And we already know TN will cover for RC and for Misty. His dad has stayed out of the spot light but he may not be off the radar.

MOO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:49 AM

I checked the FBI website. Haleigh is listed there as a missing person. I did not find any information that the FBI is in Satsuma or still active there.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:53 AM

TN went after GR like a mother bear protecting her cub. Ron's a complete mama's boy, imo. His dad probably played a marginal role in his life.

MO

yeah she did. Same thug mentality.

IF his dad lives in the area and I don't know if he does, he could have been called on that night for assistance.

JS

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 01:54 AM

thank you....so i guess they are involved with the drug/sex trade :(

I did not check the FBI site for the drug/sex trade. I didn't see a link for that on the website.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 02:14 AM

WOW........ i think i've heard it all for one night. You two are really the cream of the crop i tell ya

Let's accept that as a compliment coming from FA, what do you say Grace?? LOL:laugh:

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 02:35 AM

<bolding is mine>

Can you imagine his rap sheet as a juvie? I bet it's loaded and imagine the same to be true for Misty. Ronald was pampered his entire life, pampered along with living in a severely dysfunctional home, imo. I think the proof is in the pudding when he drops to his knees with his fake sobs and TN dropped right along side of him. Boy, what a couple of terrible actors. Also TN strongly supported Misty, at every chance she made the suggestion that those children were Misty's, not Crystals and that was extremely telling to me of how far this woman will go to protect her #1 son.

moo

I would love to see his juvie record. There is no doubt that TN made him what he is today. She more than pampered him, she most likely gave in to his every demand growing up just to shut him up. He seems to me like someone that just will not stop until he gets what he has focused on that he wants. From toys as a spoiled kid, video games as a teen or stealing children from their mother as an adult and now what has he done that she is trying to fix for him.

The very first time I saw him whine on TV, my first thought was he is lying. He knows what happen. It is in his voice, his face, his eyes, his attitude, his actions, he is lying about what happen.

JMO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 02:51 AM

I couldn't agree more. I felt the same way about him since that 911 call and everything I've heard and seen since has only confirmed my initial reaction.

I think TN played a big part in his stealing those children from Crystal. Sykes too.

MO
Yes, they did. They both lied for him. Now look what they have lost. I wonder if they are so delusional that they don't think about that. I wonder if they lie awake at night thinking about what they could have done differently.

I also think that when GR confronted RC it was the first time anyone has been in his face with the truth and RC nor TN knew how to react so their thug instinct came out. True colors.

JMO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 02:59 AM

Bolding mine.

I also think a lot of credit goes to Kim Picazio, she really got the entire ball rolling, imo.

I will keep you posted on the website. I would love to help out and I think if people had an avenue to donate right online, it would make it much easier for everyone else to donate. It's not difficult to write a check out and send it, however if people see a donation button right there on the website, chances are people would be more inclined to donate immediately, imo.

moo

Will the donation button accept paypal? I only use paypal online as most people do.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:05 AM

Perhaps someone in le should have questioned Ronald the way Geraldo questioned him. I love that video of Geraldo pressing his buttons. Ronald flat out lied to Geraldo and all the viewers about his drugging. Ronald only showed restraint due to the camera's being on him, Otherwise I think Ronald would have belted him immediately.

moo

Yeah, I have watched it several times!

Ronald did not know how to react. He was almost hyper ventilating. But, I don't think Ronald has it in him to belt any man. Woman, child oh yeah but not man to man, no, just don't see that in Ronald.

MO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:17 AM

Lol, point taken and you are most likely right. Do you know if Ronald has a tattoo that reads "Teresa" above his nipple?

moo

Yes, he does have one. He also has one of JR on his left leg located on the side. Haleigh on the right leg back calf. Haleigh's name across his shoulders and Teresa above his heart.
Go to youtube and type in Ronald Cummings tattoo and you will see him showing all the tatts.

FACT not just MO

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:22 AM

:laugh: I think the tat is very telling sign as to how his relationship stands with his mom, imo.

Yes it is. Left out poor Misty, didn't he? I bet she wants him to tattoo her name or picture somewhere :rolleyes:

OMG LOL :laugh:

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:37 AM

:biggrin: Poor Misty.

I can't find anything on youtube except the one in front of the place where he got that scary looking tat that doesn't resemble Haleigh in the least.

I heard he called the media and then whined about them being there. Don't know how true that is.

It is down below that one. The still pic on the video is his leg. Maybe that will help you find it. I don't think we can post links on the board or I would post it for you.

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:39 AM

The best video on youtube about this case is when Misty is sitting on the couch and her her mom is sitting with her. The reporter asks Misty to go over that night and Misty starts out with "Okay, well I put Haleigh to bed at 8 o'clock, cuz she had school and that's her bedtime". When she first starts out with the "Okay" it seems to me that under that heavy sigh, she is following her script. That's when she goes into the peepee smell story about the blanket. "I guess she had pee'd on it the night before" she states. Misty wasn't too happy with Haleigh wetting herself, imo and from the sounds of it, Misty wasn't that close to Haleigh, she was only trying to rewrite history in my opinion.

moo

What do you think about the part when Misty was asked what does she want people to know and she said she wants people to know that she didn't do anything to that little girl, that she would never hurt her.....
Why wouldn't she say, we love her and want her back?

Hannah21

05-03-2009, 03:50 AM

I think she's lying and trying to cover herself. What do you think about the picture of TN, ggm Sykes, Misty, Haleigh and Jr? Notice how Misty is holding Jr and the gma's are holding Haleigh. I don't believe Misty at all when she refers to her relationship with Haleigh as a mother/daughter relationship. More like evil stepmother syndrome, imo.

moo

I think Misty felt like she had to compete with Haleigh. In one video she talks about how Haleigh wanted to get the same thing Misty got when they would buy shoes or clothes and stuff.
Typical stepmother jealousy. And Misty is so young I cannot imagine how bad it was.
MO

PerneciaJane

05-03-2009, 06:20 AM

TN went after GR like a mother bear protecting her cub. Ron's a complete mama's boy, imo. His dad probably played a marginal role in his life.

MO

What is wrong with being a Mama's boy? My 40 yr old is a Momma's boy and his 10 yr old is a Mama's boy. Nothing wrong with loving your Mama.

CC I See

05-03-2009, 08:35 AM

:laugh: I think the tat is very telling sign as to how his relationship stands with his mom, imo.

... and where is the tattoo that says Misty at? :laugh:

CANDYKISSES

05-03-2009, 09:35 AM

Oh dear, are we really back to watching the reruns of LET ME MAKE YOU A WEBSITE AGAIN?????:ohmy:

UNBELIEVABLE IMO.

BRING HALEIGH HOME. :wub:

titanfan217

05-03-2009, 09:48 AM

Police have said he was at work and they have said Haleigh was seen by a neighbor after he went to work. I don't see that as walking away from a missing daughter. It sounds to me like police know he had no involvement. They have said his alibi has been confirmed.

Hank was on his own meds. Any reaction he had was of his own doing. That may be the difference in the cases in your area.

Until Haleigh is found and the entire story comes out, nobody can be completed cleared. RC probably did not physically have involvement but may have been indirectly involved. The same can be said for CS or any of the other characters in this soap opera.

As far as HC, the last info I read from RC's attorney was that HC was not afraid of RC. It said nothing about whose medicine HC had taken.

CC I See

05-03-2009, 09:50 AM

Oh dear, are we really back to watching the reruns of LET ME MAKE YOU A WEBSITE AGAIN?????:ohmy:

UNBELIEVABLE IMO.

BRING HALEIGH HOME. :wub:

I see nothing wrong with people who offer to help find Haleigh..... people should be allowed to help anyway they can if the offer is given with the intent to help.

2boysMom

05-03-2009, 10:03 AM

I see nothing wrong with people who offer to help find Haleigh..... people should be allowed to help anyway they can if the offer is given with the intent to help.

I have no problem with a website intended to help find Haleigh, as long as the hatred for her family is kept off it.

?noanswer

05-03-2009, 10:17 AM

If anyone wants to make a webpage for Haleigh, I think they should. The webpage does not have to be connected to any person. There are at least three sites out there now.

http://findhaleighnow.com (Has a counter - 2044 hits since counter added) Ron's atty. responsible for site
www.haleighbug.com (http://www.haleighbug.com) Crystal's atty. responsible for site
www.findhaleigh.com (http://www.findhaleigh.com) 11 yo home schooled girl created (This page has been up since right after Haleigh disappeared.)

The family has several videos on you tube also.

One more site can't hurt. Please, please, please if someone has Haleigh, let her come home.

JMO

Texas48

05-03-2009, 11:06 AM

What is wrong with being a Mama's boy? My 40 yr old is a Momma's boy and his 10 yr old is a Mama's boy. Nothing wrong with loving your Mama.Morning all..see several dedicated posters were up late..just cant do those hours..lol. I too have a Mama's boy..my baby turned 40 day before yesterday.. I would have to quess that MOST MOTHERS would be like a *bear protecting her cub*..That is a mothers job is to protect/defend their children..

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 11:07 AM

Wasn't it you last night saying TN couldn't afford a ring like Misti's engagement ring? Now you're saying she could afford to pay off cops, prosecutors, judges and anyone else involved in his arrests????

GM Bookie. Of course that must be it....she pays off all the officials just for Ron. Now where is she getting all that money???!!!

JMO

Texas48

05-03-2009, 11:08 AM

I have no problem with a website intended to help find Haleigh, as long as the hatred for her family is kept off it.I fully agree Mom..

Texas48

05-03-2009, 11:11 AM

Wasn't it you last night saying TN couldn't afford a ring like Misti's engagement ring? Now you're saying she could afford to pay off cops, prosecutors, judges and anyone else involved in his arrests????Morning bookie..I can see Ron being an informant for LE...I cannot see TN *paying off the cops* or anyone else..thats going a bit overboard imo..

Texas48

05-03-2009, 11:16 AM

His dad could be. We have already seen his dad get in GR face and say
"back off that's my son". And we already know TN will cover for RC and for Misty. His dad has stayed out of the spot light but he may not be off the radar.

MOOI found this post interesting..I have no idea who is to blame in this case..I know some have done some strange things and I know I would not want to live next door to any of these ppl....but....I believe that MOST parents would come to defend and try and protect their children ..Ron's dad saying "back off that's my son" would be normal for a dad or mom to say..Think about you being the mother or father and then think of your children..........would you NOT try and protect them?

bookie

05-03-2009, 11:20 AM

GM Bookie. Of course that must be it....she pays off all the officials just for Ron. Now where is she getting all that money???!!!

JMO

It should be interesting seeing the speculation.

Texas48

05-03-2009, 11:25 AM

Where does TN work Grace, do you know? Does anyone know where she works? I can say to you that I have never seen so many charges dropped on one person, in my life. I think it's also a possibility that Ron used his single father card on a few of the charges. There is a reason he had all those charges dropped, but at this point I am not certain as to why.

I agree with almost every single post you make and this one is no exception. Most le are on the up and up and do an outstanding job, such was the case with little Sandra. I don't believe this is the case with Haleigh. Sheriff Hardy has no children, perhaps he doesn't understand it as well as so many of us do, not sure. I will never understand why they threatened to arrest anyone who searches. I understand why they don't want the family to search, but as far as volunteers are concerned, it's a mystery.

I contacted TJ Hart today, told him that Cobra needs a website dedicated to Haleigh and Cobra's work. I hope to heck he gives me the go ahead because I'll have that puppy up in no time and will definitely include a donation button, it would make things easier for Cobra, I believe. Just giving you guys the heads up on that one, don't need or want any praise about that, I just know I can't help being this far away, I so wished I lived closer.

mooMorning 51..well.....you have offered to build a website for just about everyone involved in this case..First I believe you tried to reach out to Misty and then one of the posters suggested contacting Ron as Misty really didnt have a say so in it..Cant recall who was next..then several weeks ago several posters were behind you for a Haleigh web site and that never got off the ground..I believe you said there just wanst enough posters interested so you dropped it and now you are trying for another..with Cobra . Maybe this one will fly.

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 11:26 AM

I found this post interesting..I have no idea who is to blame in this case..I know some have done some strange things and I know I would not want to live next door to any of these ppl....but....I believe that MOST parents would come to defend and try and protect their children ..Ron's dad saying "back off that's my son" would be normal for a dad or mom to say..Think about you being the mother or father and then think of your children..........would you NOT try and protect them?

ITA Texas. GR is lucky that is all he got after pulling the stunt he did. If it was my son or anyone in my family I'd sure say more than "back off".

JMO

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 11:29 AM

It's interesting to note that Haleigh was terrified of the dark according to the family, yet at night time Misty never left a light on, complete darkness with not even so much as a night light. Strange.

moo

Thanks for bringing that up, I had forgotten about that.

We have Ron saying from the very first that Haleigh was afraid of the dark.

A month down the line, after Misty has been interviewed for a lot of hours, LE reveals that they cannot clear up her inconsistencies. If the early reports are correct, some of her initial inconsistencies were where the children were sleeping, which child was in which bed. IIRC, her first claim was that Haleigh was in bed with her, then it was changed to Haleigh was on the little mattress. When a grown person cannot recall with accuracy who was in the bed with them, that concerns me. I personally think that LE challenged Misty to explain how:
1) Haleigh could have gone to bed first, therefore...
2) Haleigh would have been on the inside of the mattress against the wall.
3) If Misty went to bed after Haleigh
4) Then how the heck did an intruder reach all the way across Misty to get a hold of Haleigh sleeping at floor level.

At that point, I think it dawned on Misty that a story that had Haleigh sleeping on the little mattress on the floor had a lot fewer problems for her (Misty).

Then way later Misty's mother tells us that Misty always had the room completely dark.

And then a co-worker of Ron's indicates that he had overheard a phone call from Misty to Ron, complaining that she was having trouble getting Haleigh to bed. According the story, Ron tells Misty to physically punish Haleigh to make her mind - or put in a video for her.

If Haleigh was afraid of the dark - & if Haleigh gave Misty grief about going to bed - why would Misty hold fast to keeping the room completely dark? I don't think it is at all odd for a little nightlight to be on, lots of folks do, including those who don't have children afraid of the dark. Seems to me that it would have been easier for Misty to manage Haleigh's bedtime by reassuring her that the room would not be dark.

Is it reasonable to think that Misty would have insisted on a completely dark room for a child afraid of the dark? If so, why? What would be the benefit, the gain of forcing that issue? Haleigh would have been old enough to tell her daddy that she didn't want the room to be dark but Misty made the room be dark - & if that had happened, why did Ron not include the instruction to Misty to quit forcing the issue of keeping the room dark if Haleigh was balking at going to bed? Just put a little light on & eliminate that source of friction over bedtime.

MOO, I think the story from Misty's mother that Misty always kept the room dark is a bunch of BS. If it isn't BS, I have to wonder why Misty would deliberately aggravate Haleigh's fear of the dark by insisting on keeping the room dark. And I would really have to wonder why Ron would go along with antagonizing Haleigh that way, knowing she was afraid of the dark.

JMO

bookie

05-03-2009, 11:29 AM

I found this post interesting..I have no idea who is to blame in this case..I know some have done some strange things and I know I would not want to live next door to any of these ppl....but....I believe that MOST parents would come to defend and try and protect their children ..Ron's dad saying "back off that's my son" would be normal for a dad or mom to say..Think about you being the mother or father and then think of your children..........would you NOT try and protect them?

I think any parent would protect their child from the likes of Geraldo. He's sleaze media imo. He hasn't been a repected journalist in a long time.

panache

05-03-2009, 11:42 AM

A link was posted yesterday to Misty's new myspace page. Her myspace page was something to read, IMHO.

I wanted to post the link here again today; but, Misty's page has since been changed to private...

It makes me wonder who is behind the suggestions, reminders?

moo

Borrowing your post from yesterday tinkerbell, hope you don't mind. Speaking of Misty's Myspace, before it went private last night, what did she mean, and who was she directing these words to: *You can't break me*? Seems an odd statement to make on what is supposidly a friend gathering space,

moo

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 11:57 AM

Thanks for bringing that up, I had forgotten about that.

We have Ron saying from the very first that Haleigh was afraid of the dark.

A month down the line, after Misty has been interviewed for a lot of hours, LE reveals that they cannot clear up her inconsistencies. If the early reports are correct, some of her initial inconsistencies were where the children were sleeping, which child was in which bed. IIRC, her first claim was that Haleigh was in bed with her, then it was changed to Haleigh was on the little mattress. When a grown person cannot recall with accuracy who was in the bed with them, that concerns me. I personally think that LE challenged Misty to explain how:
1) Haleigh could have gone to bed first, therefore...
2) Haleigh would have been on the inside of the mattress against the wall.
3) If Misty went to bed after Haleigh
4) Then how the heck did an intruder reach all the way across Misty to get a hold of Haleigh sleeping at floor level.

At that point, I think it dawned on Misty that a story that had Haleigh sleeping on the little mattress on the floor had a lot fewer problems for her (Misty).

Then way later Misty's mother tells us that Misty always had the room completely dark.

And then a co-worker of Ron's indicates that he had overheard a phone call from Misty to Ron, complaining that she was having trouble getting Haleigh to bed. According the story, Ron tells Misty to physically punish Haleigh to make her mind - or put in a video for her.

If Haleigh was afraid of the dark - & if Haleigh gave Misty grief about going to bed - why would Misty hold fast to keeping the room completely dark? I don't think it is at all odd for a little nightlight to be on, lots of folks do, including those who don't have children afraid of the dark. Seems to me that it would have been easier for Misty to manage Haleigh's bedtime by reassuring her that the room would not be dark.

Is it reasonable to think that Misty would have insisted on a completely dark room for a child afraid of the dark? If so, why? What would be the benefit, the gain of forcing that issue? Haleigh would have been old enough to tell her daddy that she didn't want the room to be dark but Misty made the room be dark - & if that had happened, why did Ron not include the instruction to Misty to quit forcing the issue of keeping the room dark if Haleigh was balking at going to bed? Just put a little light on & eliminate that source of friction over bedtime.

MOO, I think the story from Misty's mother that Misty always kept the room dark is a bunch of BS. If it isn't BS, I have to wonder why Misty would deliberately aggravate Haleigh's fear of the dark by insisting on keeping the room dark. And I would really have to wonder why Ron would go along with antagonizing Haleigh that way, knowing she was afraid of the dark.

JMO

GM Mimi. Since Haleigh was afraid of the dark maybe that is why she was sleeping in the room with Ron and Misty, also they hadn't lived there long. It could be, imo, that Misty's mom was saying when Misty went to bed she didn't leave any lights on.

Haleigh could have felt safe and not so afraid knowing she wouldn't be in her own bedroom all alone; she knew Jr. was with her and Ron and/or Misty would be in there soon. Also, maybe Misty and/or Ron didn't close the door to their bedroom while Haleigh was falling asleep; so possibly she could see the lights on from the living room area while she was falling asleep. Then Misty turned the lights off when she went to bed.

JMO

?noanswer

05-03-2009, 11:59 AM

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 12:07 PM

Wasn't Haleigh watching a video? If so, that would have provided light until she went to sleep. JMO

Yes she was, imo. Also, that could explain, prior to the night Haleigh went missing, Ron telling Misty during a phone call to put a video in for Haleigh.

JMO

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 12:28 PM

Being a mama's boy and loving your mother are two entirely different things, imo.

Mothers that keep their sons tied to their proverbial apron strings do themselves, their sons and any potential wife and children a huge disservice. Men need to grow up and away from their mothers when they are adults. That doesn't mean they don't love their mothers and it's hard for me to believe that you really don't know the difference.

Well if away from their mothers (my bold) makes them not "a mama's boy"; I hope my son stays a mama's boy forever. I never want my son, daughter-inlaw and granddaughter away from me.

JMO

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 12:33 PM

GM Mimi. Since Haleigh was afraid of the dark maybe that is why she was sleeping in the room with Ron and Misty, also they hadn't lived there long. It could be, imo, that Misty's mom was saying when Misty went to bed she didn't leave any lights on.

Haleigh could have felt safe and not so afraid knowing she wouldn't be in her own bedroom all alone; she knew Jr. was with her and Ron and/or Misty would be in there soon. Also, maybe Misty and/or Ron didn't close the door to their bedroom while Haleigh was falling asleep; so possibly she could see the lights on from the living room area while she was falling asleep. Then Misty turned the lights off when she went to bed.

JMO

I can definitely believe that the reason they all slept in the same room was because Haleigh was afraid of the dark. IOW, one thing is consistent with the other. Nothing about it makes you go 'huh?'

It's the other things that keep me puzzled. The areas where first we are told one thing, but then something else comes up that isn't consistent with the first thing & requires us to have to go through all sorts of machinations & contortions to try to find an explanation for it. The more I have to do that to make all of the little details makes sense, the more it concerns me that someone is being deceptive.

JMO

Dunlurken

05-03-2009, 12:39 PM

I can definitely believe that the reason they all slept in the same room was because Haleigh was afraid of the dark. IOW, one thing is consistent with the other. Nothing about it makes you go 'huh?'

It's the other things that keep me puzzled. The areas where first we are told one thing, but then something else comes up that isn't consistent with the first thing & requires us to have to go through all sorts of machinations & contortions to try to find an explanation for it. The more I have to do that to make all of the little details makes sense, the more it concerns me that someone is being deceptive.

JMOI think many are being deceptive. Misty, Ron, Crystal..... the list goes on and on. JMO.
And the victim is little Haleigh.

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 12:48 PM

Interesting that several "dedicated posters" who oddly enough have 40 yr old mama's boys would ridicule someone that offers to help by building a website. :glare:

You just can't stop putting down posters who don't share your opinions about Ron and Misty, imo imo imo. How does being a 40 yr old, mama's boys, and building a website have any connection?

JMO

panache

05-03-2009, 12:50 PM

GM Bookie. Of course that must be it....she pays off all the officials just for Ron. Now where is she getting all that money???!!!

JMO

$$$ doesn't necessarily need to be exchanged for favors.

moo

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 12:55 PM

$$$ doesn't necessarily need to be exchanged for favors.

moo

Just asking about the $$$ because that is what another poster said. What you imply about TN doesn't even deserve to be replied to...imo imo imo.

JMO

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 12:56 PM

Yes she was, imo. Also, that could explain, prior to the night Haleigh went missing, Ron telling Misty during a phone call to put a video in for Haleigh.

JMO

I was just now thinking of something else related to the video being on in the bedroom - does anyone besides me remember Teresa or Annette saying something about the TV always being on in the bedroom, even while they slept?

I cannot recall where I read/heard it. I just remember that at the time it was said it made me think of my mother-in-law, who did the same, exact thing. She always had the TV on in her bedroom, even at night & after she was asleep.

panache

05-03-2009, 12:59 PM

Just asking about the $$$ because that is what another poster said. What you imply about TN doesn't even deserve to be replied to...imo imo imo.

JMO

But I see you did. You know just because there are some who don't share your opinion, isn't the adult thing to do, is not snipe at them.

moo

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 12:59 PM

Did you by chance read the posts that "put down" someone for offering to build a website, including the one I quoted?

Better check your own "put downs" and those of people that agree with you before worrying about what I do.

Have a wonderful day.

I will not even try to explain my opinions to you like I did yesterday. They are my opinions ONLY.

JMO

panache

05-03-2009, 01:02 PM

I was just now thinking of something else related to the video being on in the bedroom - does anyone besides me remember Teresa or Annette saying something about the TV always being on in the bedroom, even while they slept?

I cannot recall where I read/heard it. I just remember that at the time it was said it made me think of my mother-in-law, who did the same, exact thing. She always had the TV on in her bedroom, even at night & after she was asleep.

Mimi

ISTR Theresa mentioned it on the NG walk thru. If that is so, wouldn't the TV be on when Misty woke up?

moo

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 01:09 PM

One question. Do we know for sure if any night lights were on in any other room?

I don't think we do. The stuff I recall is the part where Misty said she woke up & saw the kitchen light on & went to the kitchen & then later on when Teresa remarked that the TV was always on in the bedroom, even while they slept. Those are the only two mentions of anything that would cast light that I can recall, but somebody else may have a better memory about it.

JMO

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 01:15 PM

Not if its on a timer.

I think Panache & I are remembering the same thing - Teresa said that the TV was always on at night in the bedroom.

I don't have access to high-speed today, or I would try to find the interview, which I think is on Art Harris' site, with Misty's mom where she talks about the lights not being on. I am thinking she made some remark along the lines of the room being completely dark - or Misty turning off all the lights, but I can't swear to it.

JMO

Texas48

05-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Interesting that several "dedicated posters" who oddly enough have 40 yr old mama's boys would ridicule someone that offers to help by building a website. :glare:Grace..is it even possible that you DO NOT know the difference between a *ridicule* and a *compliment*? I cant believe some of what is read...Is it you are so use to seeing NOTHING but bashing you dont reconize anything else? I will tell you straight OUT so it won't be hard for you to understand....It was a compliment to 51 for him trying over and over and over..for him/her NEVER giving up. Now..can you understand that or is it you just needed to bash my post?

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 01:36 PM

Mimi

ISTR Theresa mentioned it on the NG walk thru. If that is so, wouldn't the TV be on when Misty woke up?

moo

I think you are right about it being during the walk-thru, because now I am remembering that either she or Annette made a couple of comments about different things in the house - one of them made an apologetic statement about how clothes were on the floor in the laundry area. I remember at the time thinking how much that sounded like my daughter in her much younger years when she would just empty the clothes hampers on floor & pick up from there the individual clothes she wanted to put in the washer.

Anyway - the first part of that tour that interested me was in trying to figure out the layout of the bedroom - where each thing was in relationship to something else. It took me awhile to determine where the bedroom door was in relationship to the big mattress & the little mattress. I just could not figure out how Misty could have gotten up & gone through the bedroom door without passing the little mattress on her way. And then when Teresa said the TV was always on during the night - it really made me wonder how the heck Misty didn't notice Haleigh was not on the little mattress!

JMO

seeker

05-03-2009, 01:49 PM

why wasn't he arrested as well then?
I'm thinking this last episode with Ron's father-in-law has some truth to it. But, see how quickly Ron's attorney's went to Hank Croslin and had him retract the pill(s) and fear of Ron stories in an afidavit.

They announced, as Ron was called in for questioning, they had to cancel a show and that they were going with Ron down to to speak with the police. Around that time (last week) they issued this affidavit as a press release. What is different about this particular press release of theirs, for Ron, is that it was sent in a bulk email, but not posted on their FindHaleighNow website (as of this am, pst) with their other press releases.

The only way I heard about it was here, when one of their subscribers shared the entirety of it, with the headline: "Press Release." I googled it and couldn't find it anywhere else.

Has anyone else heard anymore about this?

my thoughts on this.

seeker

05-03-2009, 02:01 PM

I checked the FBI website. Haleigh is listed there as a missing person. I did not find any information that the FBI is in Satsuma or still active there.
Thanks for the information, Hannnah

bookie

05-03-2009, 02:07 PM

I love this part of the article............

Staubs, 51, who calls himself "Cobra," has been accused of illegally detaining a Putnam County man who was free on bail on a sex abuse charge.

Last month, deputies say Staubs apprehended and handcuffed William Snodgrass, 55, who in 2007 was charged with capital sexual battery of a 9-year-old girl. Snodgrass was held for an hour, deputies added.

The allegation is being reviewed by local prosecutors.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/29/news/news01.txt

I knew in my gut "Cobra" was slim shady....MOO

From your link

"The allegation is being reviewed by local prosecutors."

I posted about that the other day. It sure explains why Cobra left town so suddenly awhile back. Looks like he thought out of sight was out of mind.

bookie

05-03-2009, 02:08 PM

I saw nothing in that article that implies Ron has been ruled out as a suspect.

Nothing has implied he's a suspect either.

panache

05-03-2009, 02:12 PM

I think you are right about it being during the walk-thru, because now I am remembering that either she or Annette made a couple of comments about different things in the house - one of them made an apologetic statement about how clothes were on the floor in the laundry area. I remember at the time thinking how much that sounded like my daughter in her much younger years when she would just empty the clothes hampers on floor & pick up from there the individual clothes she wanted to put in the washer.

Anyway - the first part of that tour that interested me was in trying to figure out the layout of the bedroom - where each thing was in relationship to something else. It took me awhile to determine where the bedroom door was in relationship to the big mattress & the little mattress. I just could not figure out how Misty could have gotten up & gone through the bedroom door without passing the little mattress on her way. And then when Teresa said the TV was always on during the night - it really made me wonder how the heck Misty didn't notice Haleigh was not on the little mattress!

JMO

I'm rewatching the NG tour. I'm up to part five....*groan* still more to see. Sykes isn't there though, just Theresa. Is there another video with A. Sykes?

seeker

05-03-2009, 02:14 PM

Hank also recanted the allegation that Ron had tried to kill him by giving him a pill.
Just a question to ponder: "Why would he recant?"

There are many reasons he did, to my way of thinking; very few of which might benefit Hank Croslin, and very many which do benefit Ron Cummings.

my thoughts and opinions about that.

CANDYKISSES

05-03-2009, 02:14 PM

I see nothing wrong with people who offer to help find Haleigh..... people should be allowed to help anyway they can if the offer is given with the intent to help.

This was attempted before and the offer was not met with positive results. The idea of putting a donation avenue into the website is a sure turn off. My goodness, just look at all the clamor here about a tattoo, what Crystal may have purchased, etc...

I can't imagine what would happen if by chance the offer was accepted and the illustrious Cobra hit the road with a fistful of dollars courtesy of a paypal link or a PO BOX.... :scared: It would be something to see as the blog network followed him in and out of fast food joints checking his wallet vs receipts IMOO.

People need to have the proper knowledge or you see the battles of the psychics and those offering to pay for posters to travel and look for the missing IMO. I have seen this on several cases here on these forums. AAMOF Coldwater has been called in before to stop as posters planned for collecting money or setting up paypal accounts IIRC. Organized well thought out, well educated people have issues when it comes to this. Didn't Kim have to get an attorney to help Crystal over a donation plan that ultimately morphed into a FOUNDATION PLAN that might turn into a 501C?

Very few people take the time to actually do what needs to be done which is why TES and Carrington-Sund are two of the few groups to come out with a decent reputation when it comes to the money involved in searching for the missing IMO. :unsure:

Even Tim Miller came under scrutiny during the Holloway case for too much of this and that and I consider him a truly decent, caring person willing to go to almost any extreme involving the missing and searches.

ALL JMO
:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME AND CLEAN HOUSE IN PALATKA.

JackiBlu

05-03-2009, 02:14 PM

I don't remember how Jacki got to that point, so I will wait for her to respond and jog my memory, or anyone else.

I stand by what I posted.

Bullyjo, when there was an error on the website for Haleigh, the one Ron's attorney put up, I first emailed the attorney. The website still was not changed after a week. I thought the family should know this so little Haleigh's height and eye color were correct.

No way was I trying to insert myself into this case. That's why when few posters asked me if I asked this or that I said "I wouldn't feel comfortable asking". Annette did talk to me about Haleigh in general and that she wanted to have the biggest party for Haleigh when she got home.

I apologized for bothering her and she said no bother at all that she was glad someone had told her about the website and to let her know when it got fixed.

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 02:17 PM

I'm rewatching the NG tour. I'm up to part five....*groan* still more to see. Sykes isn't there though, just Theresa. Is there another video with A. Sykes?

I thought there was one with Annette, but it might not have been the specific 'walk-thru'. Seems like it was around the time she got the house cleaned up & ready for the tour, though. Let me see what I can find - I might be able to find a link, even if I can't watch video from here, today.

bookie

05-03-2009, 02:18 PM

Exactly. In fact it says the LE have spoke to Ron and Misty several times and they have NOT been able to rule out Misty as a suspect. doesn't say they haven't been able to rule out Ron.

IMO Since neighbors have said they saw Haleigh outside playing after Ron went to work and he has a solid alibi at work and his call pings it kind of makes it hard to blame this on Ron.

We know Crystal hasn't been ruled out even though she was home almost 2 hours away. I think it's simply a case of LE not disclosing who has and hasn't been ruled out even though they have said Ron was at work and that they are satisfied with his answers for the hours in question.

Scampi

05-03-2009, 02:20 PM

I saw nothing in that article that implies Ron has been ruled out as a suspect.

Hiya Gracie!! LE always attempts to clear from the inner most circle out, the fact that they have not done that in this case, is very disturbing.

Scampi

05-03-2009, 02:23 PM

We know Crystal hasn't been ruled out even though she was home almost 2 hours away. I think it's simply a case of LE not disclosing who has and hasn't been ruled out even though they have said Ron was at work and that they are satisfied with his answers for the hours in question.

Crystal is not suspected in this case by LE, imo, and neither is anyone connected to her. LE has a problem with misty's timeline, which includes ronald, imo. That is where they are looking for the answers to this missing little girl, imo.

seeker

05-03-2009, 02:23 PM

I haven't seen any kind of press release or any statement by either Ron or his attys.

I'll look back a few days on the board. Kathy*Rae posted her email, minus her personal info, and it was entitled "Press Release." I is a copy of a sworn affidavit by Mr. Croslin, retracting all the things he'd told police and the Medical Center regarding his receiving pills from Ron and being deathly afraid of Ron.

Later in that day's thread bullyjo verified she had received the same email form the Law Firm. It appears that on the homepage of FindHaleighNow anyone can sign up to receive emails from Ron's attorney's regarding Ron's case.

I'll look for it. If anyone else remembers the day it was posted,I'd appreciate the help.

Thanks, and as always, my opinion.

CANDYKISSES

05-03-2009, 02:25 PM

CANDYKISSES

05-03-2009, 02:28 PM

IMO he recanted because he sobered up and realized that IF the story was true about him taking Rons pills he could also get in trouble. and i honestly doubt Ron tried to kill him.

That would be my guess too Angel. :sneaky: Hank Croslin is no better than Johnny Sheffield. They both put something else before their daughters and then cried fowl IMO.....:rolleyes:

Mimi428

05-03-2009, 02:29 PM

I'm rewatching the NG tour. I'm up to part five....*groan* still more to see. Sykes isn't there though, just Theresa. Is there another video with A. Sykes?

It was reported by MSNBC, I found a reference to it on another website - link here...

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=5387.105

Scroll down to reply #113, which is dated March 7th & has the original link to the MSNBC story. There is a 'cut & paste' from that story & a quote from Annette...

Annette Sykes, Haleigh's great-grandmother, said the bedroom door was kept open at night and the television was always on.

bookie

05-03-2009, 02:30 PM

Crystal is not suspected in this case by LE, imo, and neither is anyone connected to her. LE has a problem with misty's timeline, which includes ronald, imo. That is where they are looking for the answers to this missing little girl, imo.

You don't know whether Crystal is a suspect or not because police haven't said one way or the other. Police don't have a problem with Ronald's timeline. They said they are satisfied with his account of the time in question. They are looking at Misti's timeline, you did get that part right.

"We are satisfied with the interviews that we have had so far with Ronald, and his account of the eight hours in question," Bowling added.

https://secure.townnews.com/shared-content/subscription/authenticate/index.php?mode=start&domain=palatkadailynews.com&usereg=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.palatkadailynews.com%2F%2Fart icles%2F2009%2F03%2F14%2Fnews%2Fnews01.txt&discover=0&amex=0

If you want to read the article you'll have to pay for the archive access. His alibi has been confirmed, police are satisfied with where he was....there is nothing to indicate he is a suspect.

panache

05-03-2009, 02:38 PM

It was reported by MSNBC, I found a reference to it on another website - link here...

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=5387.105

Scroll down to reply #113, which is dated March 7th & has the original link to the MSNBC story. There is a 'cut & paste' from that story & a quote from Annette...

Annette Sykes, Haleigh's great-grandmother, said the bedroom door was kept open at night and the television was always on.

Great Sleuthing!! You saved me from watching part 6.

So this tells me the room was illuminated by the TV being on. Which means how could Misty not notice Haleigh wasn't in her bed.

moo

eta It was a full moon that night, with a skylight overhead.