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Amy

05-01-2009, 07:40 AM

Respectfully snipped..................

Hey H4T, great to find you here too!!
Again, I totally agree with you.
Also have to admit, time for this night owl to get some zzzz's :sleep:
Yesterday's pc ruffled my feathers and today's will probably rattle my cage :lol: :tongueside:

G'nite

I haven't watched much on the pc's, but the other day there was a post about the pc starting up with Tara saying, well, today she wanted to share Tori's New Year Resolution. And, there were other things. I tho't, what a wierd way to start a pc. Then just now, I watched the pc where Tara and bf and some woman talked about the rally. Well, the woman talked about it. It seems the reporters should be the ones in charge of the pc. But,they were standing there, and it seemed a reporter asked, what are we talking about today, or something like that.

Then, the woman left and Tara gives a lecture about how the media is taking the focus off Tori. I guess, if you don't want to read or hear negative things, you should not put yourself in the position that you will read or hear. I don't know what kind of friends she has if they all run to tell her what the latest in the paper is about her, the family, etc. She says she doesn't read them, and I can see why. Her friends should just shut up, and give her only positive comments. It's really out of her control, and is rather naive or presumptious of her to think she can tell the world they can only say nice things. To tell the world no one can speculate about what happened to Tori.

Just the way she and the bf were on that pc, made me not like them too much. Why do they have to have daily pc's anyway? If THEY have something to report, okay. Otherwise, it seems they are scraping the bottom of the barrel to think of things to say.

I wondered about the dog statement. Just when DID the dog go missing? The same time Tori did?

n/t

05-01-2009, 07:43 AM

Interesting video. 2 ex-detectives weigh in on the case.

Click to the right on "Stafford case mystifies ex-detectives".

http://toronto.ctv.ca/

Also, very sad but interesting that this is the first time since the case broke that I have not seen one article posted by CTV Toronto about this case.

Not sure what this means but I'm guessing the media is slowly stepping away. I noticed less microphones and media presence at yesterday's PC.

Hope Tori is safe.

Amy

05-01-2009, 07:45 AM

I have been following that also........they nailed the Sandra Cantu case.
I also study astrology Ms Cancer.

So now we have Tara, the grandmom and the father calling the police??? And why would they have to wait till MORNING to find out if she went to a friends house???? They said they started looking for her when she hadn't returned by 4pm. Its not like she did not have enough family to help. In one of the recent articles that I read today they had a time line. Did not read over it as I was looking for video of todays news conference. I am going to find it and link to it tomorrow.

It does not seem like there would be so many friends for them to contact when they first decide to start looking. From all I have read, it's a small, close-knit community. Surely her parents were aware of who her friends were and checked with them. It only makes sense once you realize she isn't with her friends, the police ought to be called immediately. It just does not make sense to wait to see if an 8 y/o will come home the next morning.

n/t

05-01-2009, 08:00 AM

The 3 page letter is intriguing. I would love to see it. Why mention it if you're not going to show it? Another bizarre move by Tara McDonald.

aproudmom

05-01-2009, 08:20 AM

aproudmom

05-01-2009, 08:29 AM

Thurs.2009.04.30 Tori Stafford LFPress Conference Video

Thursday, April 30th, 2009
Tori Stafford LFPress Conference Video (http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress/ondemand/pla_8557679361698425238?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chv2lfpress/2009/04/30/e232072a-2dc3-4a41-9a7c-e26e0cb2de05_550.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3)

Note: Also in the LINKS ONLY Sticky Thread

lol go hand out some posters and stop being mean to her..me me me me:rolleyes:

aproudmom

05-01-2009, 08:31 AM

The 3 page letter is intriguing. I would love to see it. Why mention it if you're not going to show it? Another bizarre move by Tara McDonald.

ok n/t she said stop spending all your time on the computer being rude and blaming them and go hand out fliers..:sneaky:
lol

aproudmom

05-01-2009, 08:36 AM

Unfortunately she is looking more and more like a sociopath. I will try and find a definition for u guys who don't know what that is. But trust me.....it does not bode well for Tori. :crying:

all you have to say is Casey A. that about sums it up..Bee

aproudmom

05-01-2009, 08:38 AM

ok did we ever find out who the blonde media person is that always makes her way inside after then press conf.

juliekan

05-01-2009, 09:41 AM

Her name is Cynthia something....it has been posted here...

days of yore

05-01-2009, 10:07 AM

:biggrin: Well yore......

I got a call from Tara today. She saw the thread and wants me to come to Woodstock to help her. She said she knows someone with a limo that can pick me up at the airport!!!!!

Its weird though.....she said that the driver has orders to drop me off a few blocks away from her house and that I should just walk the rest of the way. :confused: Kinda rude if you ask me..........I'll probably have to charge her an extra hundred but she won't mind......said something about having wealthy friends.

HAHAHA!! Thanks for making my day!! We need this kind of update every day, please!!

You know guys, I don't know why, but the more I read through the posts, the more it dawns on me that this may be more of a "family dispute" than we think...

Tara had made mention early on that Tori was supposed to see her father that night, right?? THEN, Tara herself doesn't make the report, but it's MOM who goes to the police station...

THEN...in a couple of conferences ago, Tara starts picking apart Rodney's fathering and the fact that his family hasn't been active in the kids' lives for the past nine years.

THEN....in another recent conference, Tara points out that she felt that this disappearance might be someone trying to be MILDY vindictive and it became a prank that went too far. She felt that these people now didn't know what to do? Perhaps she is speaking about herself trying to be vindictive to Rodney & now, she, herself and those loved ones involved are the ones stuck for what to do???

Lastly, I find it very odd, that if in fact, Rodney has been so "missing in action" for the past nine years, that, this is the one night that he is supposed to see Tori, she goes missing???

I do feel that Tori is alive and that Tara's immature, yet "mildly vindictive" ploy to keep Tori from her father caused this whole fiasco. Now she's not sure what to do....

days of yore

05-01-2009, 10:07 AM

Her name is Cynthia something....it has been posted here...

She is Cynthia Mulligan from City Tv.

M_J

05-01-2009, 10:44 AM

It really bothers me that she always puts Daryn's feelings before Tori's. Don't get me wrong. My heart breaks for this boy but he's home. He's safe. He has a roof over his head. He's being fed. He showers. He plays.

Tori may not have all of that. Again, the focus is on themselves and not Tori and that, to me, is very disturbing!

Have we ever heard Tara say anything about what her poor daughter might be going through? Has she mentioned how scared her little girl might be? I don't think I've heard her talk about Tori like that at all? I could be wrong?..:glare:

BeetlebrowII

05-01-2009, 10:53 AM

ok did we ever find out who the blonde media person is that always makes her way inside after then press conf.

Thats what I want to know. She was somewhat rude also. Is that Tara's mom???? HER HAIR LOOKS LIKE IT WAS RECENTLY DYED :w00t:

just sayin.....

BeetlebrowII

05-01-2009, 11:03 AM

HAHAHA!! Thanks for making my day!! We need this kind of update every day, please!!

You know guys, I don't know why, but the more I read through the posts, the more it dawns on me that this may be more of a "family dispute" than we think...

Tara had made mention early on that Tori was supposed to see her father that night, right?? THEN, Tara herself doesn't make the report, but it's MOM who goes to the police station...

THEN...in a couple of conferences ago, Tara starts picking apart Rodney's fathering and the fact that his family hasn't been active in the kids' lives for the past nine years.

THEN....in another recent conference, Tara points out that she felt that this disappearance might be someone trying to be MILDY vindictive and it became a prank that went too far. She felt that these people now didn't know what to do? Perhaps she is speaking about herself trying to be vindictive to Rodney & now, she, herself and those loved ones involved are the ones stuck for what to do???

Lastly, I find it very odd, that if in fact, Rodney has been so "missing in action" for the past nine years, that, this is the one night that he is supposed to see Tori, she goes missing???

I do feel that Tori is alive and that Tara's immature, yet "mildly vindictive" ploy to keep Tori from her father caused this whole fiasco. Now she's not sure what to do....

ITA yore.......I felt the same way when she said when she said that it started out mildly vindictive and then went to far. WHO says this type of thing when your 8yr old is missing???? mildly vindictive HUH???
She was talking about herself or someone she is covering for. I wish we knew more about their relationship......why all of a sudden the UNITED front??? Could it be because people suspect it has to do with anomosity between the two. I would also venture to say Rodney's family probably does not like Tara.

BeetlebrowII

05-01-2009, 11:07 AM

ok n/t she said stop spending all your time on the computer being rude and blaming them and go hand out fliers..:sneaky:
lol

Hey P-mom,

I'm getting really freaked out because it is like Tara is a COMBINATION of Cindy and Casey. :scared: An evil mutation.....:tonguewag:

BeetlebrowII

05-01-2009, 11:14 AM

Have we ever heard Tara say anything about what her poor daughter might be going through? Has she mentioned how scared her little girl might be? I don't think I've heard her talk about Tori like that at all? I could be wrong?..:glare:

No of course u are not......and it speaks volumes that she refused to send a message to Tori when asked if she would like to by the reporters. She may not know where Tori is but she definitely knows who has her.

I would love to hear the reporters talk amongst themselves after one of Tara's pressers. They probably have to go get a stiff drink!!!

M_J

05-01-2009, 11:27 AM

Thanks days of yore..

okay, so I was wrong haha! :)

still doesn't add up for me, ya know?

days of yore

05-01-2009, 11:28 AM

Thanks days of yore..

okay, so I was wrong haha! :)

still doesn't add up for me, ya know?

ITA, nothing does!!! :crying:

M_J

05-01-2009, 11:35 AM

:confused:sorry, ITA?

days of yore

05-01-2009, 11:40 AM

:confused:sorry, ITA?

I totally agree!

M_J

05-01-2009, 11:55 AM

Nen

05-01-2009, 12:34 PM

Thanks.

Tara's planning on her usual "one o'clock" correct?

I just realized.. sad but true..

What is she going to do if Tori doesn't *gulp* ever come home? How long is she going to continue doing the pc's? Do you think the media will slowly dewindle, or will Tara just stop? :unsure:
It's only natural, and unfortunate, that the media will soon move onto another story. It happens all too often.

I pray Tori is found safe soon.

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 12:51 PM

From what I've read, the names of those we've met:

Tori's Mother - Tara McDonald
Aunt - Linda Jacklin
Boyfriend - James Goris (on and off, hence the 'single' status that others are referring to)
Step Brother - John John Harris?? (can anyone confirm??) John Jacklin someone posted her yesterdayEx-Husband - Rodney Stafford
Best Friend - Sara Garland

Father - (other than "Daddy", can anyone confirm??) Jim McDonald (Tara's father and Sharon McDonald, Tara's step-mother and referred to in press as Tori's grandfather and grandmother - link:http://photos.brantfordexpositor.ca/mycapture/folder.asp?event=737431
Rebecca Stafford - Rodney's sister & Tori's aunt
Roxxy ?last name - sometimes referred to as step-sister, sometimes as good friend.

Hey Days of Yore!:) Please see my red highlights for info. As well, I cannot get a name for Tara's mother confirmed, but it would seem that she may be Linda Winters (nee Webb) as per the following memorial post copied in part from the Woodstock Sentinel Review - link: http://cgi.bowesonline.com/pedro.php?id=306&x=obituaries_result&keyword=ruth&order_by=dateofdeath&pos=75&xid=42359#42359
"WINTERS, Robert “Rob” - “Walk slowly darling”, Robert passed away at the Woodstock General Hospital on Monday December 24, 2007 in the arms of his beloved wife and best friend, Linda Winters (nee Webb) in his 55th year. After a courageous fight with cancer, Robert has gone to join his moms Lyda (nee Temple) Winters (2001), Ruth Webb (2000) and his Dad, Herbert Winters (1959) in a heavenly place. Special Poppa to, Daryn and Victoria Stafford, and their mother Tara McDonald (James) of Woodstock. Remembered with love by Dad, Frank Webb, his children Shawn (Laurie) Winters and Trina (Steve) Stefan and their families of Tillsonburg, by his sister Ruth Anne and Mervin Derbowka."

Perhaps it is just a weird coincidence that has no significance whatsoever, but could Mr. Winters have been looked after at Caressant Care (the place where Tori is captured on video walking away with her abductor) as there is a message from someone from there on his memorial tribute site? http://www.longworthfuneralhome.com/runtime.php?Keywords=winters&SiteId=177&NavigatorId=27727

If Linda Winters is indeed Tara's mom, she has had more than enough grief in her life lately!:sad: Perhaps this could explain why she is not making a more publically noted show of support for her daughter, but even though I can empathize with her situation, I still find her absence raises doubts in my mind, but this is only my opinion.

OKAY - UPDATE - Linda Winters is confirmed now as Tara's mom in Christie Blatchford's Globe & Mail online article posted here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090430.BLATCH30ART2245/TPStory/TPComment/Ontario/ and excerpted in part but please read the whole thing unless you have already - I know I find it very hard to keep up with it all!

"Just a few blocks away, Ms. McDonald's own mother, Linda Winters, was describing herself in an interview with The Globe and Mail as "one stop ahead of optimistic. I have to be."

And as to my previous comments above, Tori's family's seem to be responding directly to issues as they are raised by posters on the various boards i.e. like mine yesterday, and I'm sure others posted similar concerns, wondering why Tara's mom was not standing with her more noticeably, JMO, but IYO, am I reading too much into that??

I am on the fence, making no conclusions, as I am hoping answers come today that will bring Tori home alive and well!:)

Thanks for your posts Days of Yore!

M_J

05-01-2009, 01:15 PM

Doesn't Tara already know that people suspect her? IMO, if she did have anthing to do with it, shes gotten rid of any and all evidence. :unsure:

n/t

05-01-2009, 01:16 PM

Link to the PC....I think they just finished showing yesterday's.

http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress

n/t

05-01-2009, 01:18 PM

Do any of you recall if any of the reporters asking her straight out if she had anything to do with Tori's disappearance?

I don't recall. I think they should.

n/t

05-01-2009, 01:23 PM

People in chat are asking where BF is? It's true he hasn't been around in a while. hmmmm

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 01:25 PM

M_J, I think she'll keep going until she realizes that people are 'on to her'. At that point I believe (and pray) that we will see Tori, possibly the dog, and charges filed against her.

Hey Lizziegirl!:) Nice to see you again!

I don't know who in fact will be charged when this case is solved, but while I don't for sure what will happen, I will not be surprised or shocked to discover that it takes a turn in a completely unexpected direction.

I hope that Tori is rescued soon! :smile:- and if the dog was taken to keep her company and perhaps as a comfort, (based on the premise that maybe her disappearance was a premeditated act and that the dog went missing at the same time or before Tori's abduction, and if its missing status is somehow connected), then I hope the dog survives the experience as well.

Hoping for Tori's safe return today!:smile:

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 01:40 PM

People in chat are asking where BF is? It's true he hasn't been around in a while. hmmmm

Hey n/t:)

I've been looking for info online about the b/f's scheduled court appearance, as reported in the press in mid-April, would happen on April 28th, but have found nothing. I posted here on the 28th or 29th wondering if anyone here had an update but never got a reply.

Perhaps the court date was postponed?, or perhaps it has no significance?, but, IMO, b/f's close association to Tori warrants that his arrest/conviction details are newsworthy, IMO and nothing at this point can and/or should be ruled out as having potential importance, IMO. To my knowledge, the press is not following up on this angle at all, with respect to the b/f's theft charges.

I'm on my way out - and will try to catch up later - have a great day folks!:)

I'll be hoping to hear a fabulous update about Tori when I get back!:)

M_J

05-01-2009, 01:51 PM

:rolleyes:wow!! hard to keep up with chat on

http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress

this is nuts!

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 02:04 PM

no live feed?

n/t

05-01-2009, 02:06 PM

They're having technical difficulties so couldn't bring the conference live. The moderator said they're taping it and will air it later.

Lovethechild

05-01-2009, 02:24 PM

Hi all!
Just trying to catch up. Now there's a dog missing? HUH? This case keeps getting wierder. IMO, as the story keeps getting odder,with the mystery limo and missing dog, I have a feeling Tara is coming unglued. Hopefully,Tori will be found safe.

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 02:25 PM

Hi back atcha!!! It's too early to form any real convictions, however my gut, which is right more often than wrong, says Tara is in deep.

Hey Lizziegirl:)

My gut is telling me that someone created this whole thing to make Tara suffer, but hopefully, whatever the truth is in the end, let's hope the abductor's motivation did not include harming Tori more than she is undoubtedly and obviously harmed emotionally by this horrendous experience!!

I think that it is possible that Tara and/or others (some friends and/or family??) may be exploiting Tori's situation in terms of the attention-seeking, fundraising, drama-producing, the allure of potential for fame/fortune - all despicable motivations if ever proven to be a part of the whole scenario - and the reason I wonder about that potentiality is because I cannot help but notice, from everything I have seen/read that Tara, IMO, has an odd detachment in terms of her bond with Tori, and for whatever reason, in the past, she may be incapable of truly grasping the enormity or Tori's situation and/or she may have little to no insight into herself and how she is perceived, JMO.

Fortunately for the little children in the world who may be victimized by less than best mothering/fathering, and may have to bear the consequences of their parents' poor judgement, thankfully in most cases that does not automatically mean they will be the victims of pure evil, IMO.

It is true that people with with severe mental health issues are quite capable of behaving "off" but rarely do the vast majority of people with mental health issues commit heinous crimes. That's just a fact. Still having said that, IMO, people who do commit heinous crimes, especially against innocent children, are either mentally sick or plain evil.

It is natural for people to assume that a person's disturbing behaviours could indicate the presence of mental illness or personality disorders, and naturally both assessments would cause alarm and more reason for suspicion, and I agree, but I bet if we knew the details of Tara's relationship with Tori since she was born, IMO, there may be many "odd" things that have happened over the years, but certainly none so dire or tragic as what has happened to Tori on April 8th and since then. Of course I am not presuming that Tara has any type of mental illness or personality disorder, but I am not able to rule that out as a possible explanation for what I have seen/read so far.

Really gotta run - I'm so late! Thanks for your post!

I hope Tori come home alive and well today!

n/t

05-01-2009, 02:43 PM

n/t do you know if it's on CP24? I can never find it.

I posted the link up there.:smile:

sparky

05-01-2009, 03:03 PM

THEN....in another recent conference, Tara points out that she felt that this disappearance might be someone trying to be MILDY vindictive and it became a prank that went too far. She felt that these people now didn't know what to do? Perhaps she is speaking about herself trying to be vindictive to Rodney & now, she, herself and those loved ones involved are the ones stuck for what to do???

I agree.
How in the world can a mother of a missing child say it the abduction was "mildly vindictive". And how would she know how they felt (ie. getting out of control and not being about to figure out how to get out of it) if she wasn't the one involved? The last thing I would say is "mildly vendictive"!!! To steal a child is mild? HELLOOOOOOO????
Maybe it is mild when it is the mother.... and the daughter is safe and sound at a friends house. Which is the only explanation to her behaviour. She certainly is not behaving like a mother who doesn't know where her daughter is.

M_J

05-01-2009, 03:14 PM

:sad:I don't know if anyone has seen this video or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ZRkotbX0

Tara seems quite upset in some pictures..:sad:

Nen

05-01-2009, 03:34 PM

:sad:I don't know if anyone has seen this video or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ZRkotbX0

Tara seems quite upset in some pictures..:sad:What a sad video

No comment on Tara

sparky

05-01-2009, 03:39 PM

:sad:I don't know if anyone has seen this video or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ZRkotbX0

Tara seems quite upset in some pictures..:sad:

Yes, she "seems" upset.

M_J

05-01-2009, 04:26 PM

Anyone see the 1:00 pc yet? If so, do we have a link?

Thanks!

n/t

05-01-2009, 04:59 PM

Anyone see the 1:00 pc yet? If so, do we have a link?

Thanks!

I don't think they've posted it yet but found this ....

Father promises Tori she will be found
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/01/9317861.html

days of yore

05-01-2009, 05:23 PM

:sad:I don't know if anyone has seen this video or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ZRkotbX0

Tara seems quite upset in some pictures..:sad:

Yes, well put together video & even better performance by Tara!:sneaky:

days of yore

05-01-2009, 05:29 PM

Hey Days of Yore!:) Please see my red highlights for info. As well, I cannot get a name for Tara's mother confirmed, but it would seem that she may be Linda Winters (nee Webb) as per the following memorial post copied in part from the Woodstock Sentinel Review - link: http://cgi.bowesonline.com/pedro.php?id=306&x=obituaries_result&keyword=ruth&order_by=dateofdeath&pos=75&xid=42359#42359
"WINTERS, Robert “Rob” - “Walk slowly darling”, Robert passed away at the Woodstock General Hospital on Monday December 24, 2007 in the arms of his beloved wife and best friend, Linda Winters (nee Webb) in his 55th year. After a courageous fight with cancer, Robert has gone to join his moms Lyda (nee Temple) Winters (2001), Ruth Webb (2000) and his Dad, Herbert Winters (1959) in a heavenly place. Special Poppa to, Daryn and Victoria Stafford, and their mother Tara McDonald (James) of Woodstock. Remembered with love by Dad, Frank Webb, his children Shawn (Laurie) Winters and Trina (Steve) Stefan and their families of Tillsonburg, by his sister Ruth Anne and Mervin Derbowka."

Perhaps it is just a weird coincidence that has no significance whatsoever, but could Mr. Winters have been looked after at Caressant Care (the place where Tori is captured on video walking away with her abductor) as there is a message from someone from there on his memorial tribute site? http://www.longworthfuneralhome.com/runtime.php?Keywords=winters&SiteId=177&NavigatorId=27727

If Linda Winters is indeed Tara's mom, she has had more than enough grief in her life lately!:sad: Perhaps this could explain why she is not making a more publically noted show of support for her daughter, but even though I can empathize with her situation, I still find her absence raises doubts in my mind, but this is only my opinion.

OKAY - UPDATE - Linda Winters is confirmed now as Tara's mom in Christie Blatchford's Globe & Mail online article posted here: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090430.BLATCH30ART2245/TPStory/TPComment/Ontario/ and excerpted in part but please read the whole thing unless you have already - I know I find it very hard to keep up with it all!

"Just a few blocks away, Ms. McDonald's own mother, Linda Winters, was describing herself in an interview with The Globe and Mail as "one stop ahead of optimistic. I have to be."

And as to my previous comments above, Tori's family's seem to be responding directly to issues as they are raised by posters on the various boards i.e. like mine yesterday, and I'm sure others posted similar concerns, wondering why Tara's mom was not standing with her more noticeably, JMO, but IYO, am I reading too much into that??

I am on the fence, making no conclusions, as I am hoping answers come today that will bring Tori home alive and well!:)

Thanks for your posts Days of Yore!

Hey H4T!

No, I don't think you are reading too much into that. I wonder if Tara was being stubborn and didn't want to give her mom reasoning for Tara missing (if it was to keep her from seeing Rodney). Her mom was the one who reported Tori missing, probably frustrated & confused that Tara didn't want to do it herself. I'm sure the mother is aware of Tara's personality & perhaps has had other experiences with Tara stretching the truth for dramatic purposes?? Who knows why she hasn't been there to support in public. In one of the earlier press conferences, Tara made comments to the effect that their relationship was less than ideal. Tara is a very 'quick talker' & always has a response for everything. Whether it is believable or not, she always has some sort of answer for everything. Makes me wonder if this has been a life-long personality trait....Anything is possible there...

Nen

05-01-2009, 05:35 PM

I don't think they've posted it yet but found this ....

Father promises Tori she will be found
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/01/9317861.html

Sad

I also read the story under that about Tara getting testy at reporters for not focusing on Tori. Does she think people are there for her? She probably hopes so.

The end of the article about the bike fundraiser bugged me though. She said it's money for her kids, not her. I don't want to sound heartless but why does she need to raise money for her kids exactly? I always assumed money raised at these things were for the reward or to keep a website going. She supposedly has this open ended donor and there is no specific Tori site is there? It just seems like Tara is taking advantage of the whole tragic situation.

days of yore

05-01-2009, 05:37 PM

Please, please, please (begging icon here) somebody tell me about it.:drool:

nothing new...just commenting on this video put together with some of tara's most dramatic expressions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd5ZRkotbX0

days of yore

05-01-2009, 05:57 PM

We just happened to have on a show where the female character makes herself sick over telling her friends a lie, which leads to having to tell a bigger lie to cover up for the first lie and so on, and so on...

Hmmm...very ironic!! :sneaky:

Nen

05-01-2009, 06:09 PM

Please, please, please (begging icon here) somebody tell me about it.:drool:

It's some pictures of Tori by herself and with her brother and Dad and it's got pretty sad music playing.

The parts with Tara are from the vigil, I believe. She has a look on her face that she probably wanted to come across as pained.

I'm sorry, but I just have my own opinions on Tara and her involvement in Tori's disappearance. If she's not directly involved (being woman on tape) then I believe she knows a lot more than her or her family will say. If she's not involved at all, then I'll admit to it and of course feel horrible that I ever doubted her. It's just her actions are speaking volumes. Refusing to beg for Tori back when she has the chance every single day. To ask her kidnappers to please release her, or please not hurt her in any way. She just refuses to do this. Then the mysterious limo stranger that she says OPP verified, and which they won't say yes outright. Then she seems to be letting bits of new and different info out each day. The dog missing ? She screams suspicious if ever anyone did.

Sorry, rant over.

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 06:54 PM

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 07:21 PM

I think this may be a blip from today...

http://www.woodstocksentinelreview.com/

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=lizziegirl;snipped for humility :blushing:

H4T, you said a huge mouthful (keyboardful?) and I agree with every word.[/QUOTE]

Hey Lizziegirl - Thank you! :smile: The reason I rambled on (I know - sorry I ramble on a lot) about the topic of mental illness/personality disorders and how it/they may or may not - and I repeat may or may not - prove to be an element of this case, is because I was raised by a mom who suffers from mental illness. My personal experience and having had years of informal study on these subjects, gives me insight when identifying many of the signs and symptoms and how these type of illnesses and disorders may effect a normally sane person's behaviours and personality.

I grew up seeing my mother say and do many a strange thing and the children of parent's like mine who suffer from these type of issues also suffer. Children are often fearful and insecure due to a lack of consistency and accountability by the parent; they may feel as I did responsible to parent the mom and/or dad; there are complex feelings of love and loyalty to the sick parent mixed with feelings of emotional abandonment and resentment of the parent, as when for example the parent cannot function in terms of daily routines, creates highly controversial dramas and chaos, when the parent builds mistrust of others due to their own paranoia, when they are on auto-pilot and vacant in the eyes as if no one is at home only to swing wildly in the other direction and have suddenly frightening and angry outburts or grandiose ideas that they believe are possible even when there is no logical possibility that these magnificent dreams can be fulfilled, the parent may neglect the child or blame them for their problems, the parent may betray the child or try to diminish the child's individuality. Believe me that's just a part of a very long list of how some severe mental illnesses/personality disorders can manifest and effect the lives of the person suffering with the illness and their children.

I am not talking here about simple and more easily treated circumstantial depressions, which could also cause someone's normally stable thoughts/behaviours to change. In other words, it is possible and would be understandable that Tara may be effected by depression caused by her daughter's disappearance, or she may have had pre-exsiting mental health issues that Tori's situation has exacerbated, but I can only surmise.

I am not an expert, nor am I a psychiatrist, so I can only put the possibility out there for consideration as a possible explanation of her words/behaviours that are on the public record, to date. Of course her medical history is a private matter, and her state of mind cannot be established by anyone - even a psychiatrist - based solely on witnessing her words and behaviours from a distance and without firsthand knowledge of her, and her past behaviours in terms of comparison and context. IMO, even if Tara has been/will be diagnosed with any type of mental illness and/or personality disorder, there is no way that the public would be made aware of it unless she willingly divulged that information, unless in the future she is formally charged in Tori's abduction where such information, if confirmed, could be used as a basis for her defense in court.

Having said all that, and believe me I could say much much more - but don't worry folks, I won't :rolleyes:- most people with mental illnesses can lead effective and productive lives with therapy and medication and a willingness to cooperate with their doctors and family to achieve stable mental health. As for personality disorders, like psychopaths and sociopaths, to my knowledge these afflictions cannot be controlled or cured with therapies and medications. Still, even those people, while they are challenged in terms of conscience and empathy, they for the most part do not pose a threat much larger than others in the general public. These types of people are very manipulative and often highly intelligent or at least highly resourceful, and their narcissistic tendencies ensure that their own best interests are served with little or no regard for authority or respect for the needs of others.

IMO, there is hope because, IMO, most children will, when raised by parents who exhibit unstable mental health, survive to become strong, reliable, compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, sensitive, resourceful, creative, independent and kind contributors to society - just like me - obviously my own experience did not leave me lacking in self-esteem or words!

As I said, this subject touches a sensitive nerve for me, and so sorry, for rambling again . . .

I will try now to catch up on the news and posts of the day.

I hope Tori is found alive and well - today!!!

iveyguy

05-01-2009, 07:27 PM

Her mom was the one who reported Tori missing, probably frustrated & confused that Tara didn't want to do it herself. I'm sure the mother is aware of Tara's personality & perhaps has had other experiences with Tara stretching the truth for dramatic purposes?? Who knows why she hasn't been there to support in public.

I'm very curious about this too -- have been since the police reported that it was the grandmother - not Tara - who reported Tori missing... and in person at the police station to boot.

And her lack of public support -- I can't blame her for not wanting to be part of the daily media circus, but to me it also seems that she has purposely distanced herself from Tara in public.

The ultimate question for me is: Why did grandmother report this to the police in person at 6 pm and what were Tara and James doing at that time? Tara has said that Daren came home at 4:15 pm (almost 45 minutes after Tori left the school with 'abductor') without Tori and that's when Tara knew she was missing... Almost two hours later, grandmother reports it to the police in person.

LE would have started out their investigation by asking questions about the timeline and their alibis and I suspect -- especially based on how they've acted in this case -- that they didn't make it very far before the red flags came up. By my rough estimation, Tara has spoken to the press on camera for almost 3 hours now and has given very few details about the day that Tori went missing.

My spidey senses are tingling....

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 07:28 PM

okay the whole press conference...

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/01/9317861.html

MoonFlwr

05-01-2009, 08:06 PM

okay the whole press conference...

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/01/9317861.html

I couldn't find any access to the latest PC there.

days of yore

05-01-2009, 08:30 PM

http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress

Nothing new. BUT OMG!!!! SHE'S CHEWING GUM while talking about her missing child. Are you kidding me?!?!?!??!

Poor Rodney, the man doesn't even have a clue. Seems like a simple, down home kinda guy that is all caught up in the mess. I almost wonder if he's been let into the scheme, but has been threatened with a court case to repay all of the child support owed. She did make mention in an earlier press conference that she hasn't pressed him for this, and he hasn't paid any.

As a side note, she seems to be reading all of the posts of people shaming her for what she hasn't been doing, ie. wearing a ribbon, button, picture of Tori, etc. because today, she had both a ribbon and a button with Tori's picture pinned to her coat during the press conference.

days of yore

05-01-2009, 08:35 PM

Okay..maybe this has been mentioned before and I missed it on here but the ride tomorrow has me puzzled...yesterday the reporter said that this ride had been planned for weeks and was taking place to bring Tori home....how did they know a few weeks back that Tori would still be missing at this time... reminds me of Gerry McCann a few days after Maddie was missing when he was planning the first year anniversary of her missing and mentioning names to perform like Elton John etc.

The aunt (linda jacklin), seems to be a biker chick and started the organization of it just after the abduction. I could see the legitimacy (sp??) of it, due to her lifestyle/involvement in biking. I actually have met and known some biker guys in groups in Ontario, and there are some really nice, honest, good guys who would give you the shirt off their back. I really feel that was an honest effort on behalf of the aunt, and unless you are stripping their turf (drugs, girlfriends, etc.) there really isn't much to fear with most bikers.

Nen

05-01-2009, 08:41 PM

Oh you can bet your booty she's reading as much as possible.

I wonder if she's ever read this thread?

Kim Blundon

05-01-2009, 08:48 PM

The biker gang trial was around the time that Tori went missing. Hmmmm go figure that out after her B/F was busted in a drug raid

Kim Blundon

05-01-2009, 08:50 PM

Worth reading

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090416.BLATCH16ART2236/TPStory/TPComment/

Imagine a mother talking like this about her Daughter that is missing

Kim Blundon

05-01-2009, 08:52 PM

And go figure they are having a bike rally tomorrow.

n/t

05-01-2009, 08:52 PM

okay the whole press conference...

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/05/01/9317861.html

Thank you for posting the link.

A few observations.

1) She's wearing white again. How odd!

2) James still in the picture but we haven't seen him.

3) Rodney asked Tara if he can read the 3 page letter.

4) The school essay on pet. Tori wrote about a monkey. Wondering why she wouldn't write about her dog especially if the dog went missing before she did.

5) 2 officers went to the home. Checking things out? She said an update. What update? There hasn't been any.

6) A reporter mentions the media eventually waning, Tara responds that she will also not do anymore fundraisers and she's done all that she could. I found this interesting because the focus needs to be on Tori but she obviously won't be around if the media won't. How freakin sad.

7) Tara immediately walks inside after Rodney addresses Tori.

I don't know what to say. When she said the children at the school gave her flowers, I cried but she didn't shed a tear when she said it. Maybe she cried all she could but I think I'd still get emotional if my child was missing and anything that reminded me of her would be brought up.

I pray Tori is safe.

n/t

05-01-2009, 08:58 PM

And go figure they are having a bike rally tomorrow.

BBQ and band. She said it's not a fundraiser but to raise awarness? I think everyone in Woodstock knows by now, dontcha think?

Rodney playing phone tags with Child Find. I think a trip to their offices in Toronto would do the trick instead of a BBQ and band!

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 09:00 PM

She was asked by reporter if the bike ride was a fundraiser..she said no..only awareness...yet there is a bbq and music after.. and then she said that she will do no more FUNDRAISERS after this one.... so is it one or not and where will the money from the bbq etc. go..

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 09:02 PM

sworry N/T, I think we were writing our thoughts at the same time and we are on the same wave length.....:blushing:

Nen

05-01-2009, 09:04 PM

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:06 PM

Alrighty! Thank you! :) I got to see it.

Tori's dad has struck me as genuine and honest since the beginnng and everytime I have seen him.

I had some suspicions when Tara mentioned he hasn't paid child support but he does come across as genuine.

I get a sense that he's working with LE. His wanting to read the 3 page letter is just one of the things that makes me go hmmmmmm.

Read it out loud, Rodney.

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 09:08 PM

the three page letter was mentioned yesterday yet it was only today when the subject was brought up again that Rodney asked Tara if he could read it....wonder why he didn't ask her yesterday after they went into the house...

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:09 PM

n/t: Could you tell what Tara meant by saying she's done all she could? So she's giving up?

Also the whole wearing white to almost every pc is so strange. It's like she's saying "see it wasn't me or I wouldn't wear white all the time"

So now the bike thing is for awareness? Seems like shes changing her tune again. I just read about her saying it was money for the kids

One of the reporters said something about the media not being around much longer....and if I understood correctly, he said next week? Maybe someone could confirm that.

When he said that she replied by saying that there's not much more she could do as far as awareness goes and that she feels she's done all that she can do. <paraphrasing>

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:10 PM

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 09:14 PM

I don't think we are interested in having her read our thoughts. This is just us discussing our views. We are not looking for any contraversy, thanks.

Hey Days of Yore; ITA and IMO, I think it is not necessary to court the interest of someone who is IMO, from what I see/read, more than capable of being a troll without having the benefit of a formal invitation!:sneaky:

Not the kind of person/people I would invite anywhere -sorry - but to each their own.

Have a great weekend folks!:smile:

I hope we all soon hear the ultimate good news that Tori is safe and sound and finally returned to her loved ones!!!

Kim Blundon

05-01-2009, 09:15 PM

I feel that way... the press are backing off after her lame excuse in the limo ride. Nuff said catch me on facebok I wouldnt want to piss anyone off

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 09:29 PM

wow, that was a bit intense...:bored:

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 09:31 PM

RE: Posts 94, 100 and 104 - what am I missing? I don't get it at all.

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 09:35 PM

RE: Posts 94, 100 and 104 - what am I missing? I don't get it at all.

:shrug: you got me

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:36 PM

RE: Posts 94, 100 and 104 - what am I missing? I don't get it at all.

:shrug: I usually just ignore if I don't get it. It's what we call skip and scroll in the message board world. lol

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:38 PM

Did anyone else listen to the PC? Did the reporter say there wouldn't be anymore media presence next week?

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 09:49 PM

Did anyone else listen to the PC? Did the reporter say there wouldn't be anymore media presence next week?

from what I could hear over the loud noises I think one of the reporters said something about this being the last PC from his media and that the number of reporters were less today than other days.. I took it to mean that maybe this was the last one and I also got that impression from Tara, that she had done all she could at this time. Also a reporter said that someone in the neighbourhood told him that two RCMP had been at the house yesterday but when asked Tara said they were OPP, which makes more sense. I think after tomorrow we may not see or hear from Tara and friends unless something breaks wide open.

days of yore

05-01-2009, 09:52 PM

Colour me confused. What just happened here?

not quite sure...:huh:

n/t

05-01-2009, 09:57 PM

from what I could hear over the loud noises I think one of the reporters said something about this being the last PC from his media and that the number of reporters were less today than other days.. I took it to mean that maybe this was the last one and I also got that impression from Tara, that she had done all she could at this time. Also a reporter said that someone in the neighbourhood told him that two RCMP had been at the house yesterday but when asked Tara said they were OPP, which makes more sense. I think after tomorrow we may not see or hear from Tara and friends unless something breaks wide open.

Thanks Orleaner. That's exactly what was said. Sad in a way because I know we won't be getting any updates from Law Enforcement. Not until there's a break in the case. Same thing happened with Cedrika. As long as the dad was there, we would get weekly updates and then it just stopped when there was nothing new to report.

Tori, hope you're safe and come home soon. Cedrika too.

Where are all the missing children? :crying::rose:

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 10:00 PM

Thanks Orleaner. That's exactly what was said. Sad in a way because I know we won't be getting any updates from Law Enforcement. Not until there's a break in the case. Same thing happened with Cedrika. As long as the dad was there, we would get weekly updates and then it just stopped when there was nothing new to report.

Tori, hope you're safe and come home soon. Cedrika too.

Where are all the missing children? :crying::rose:

There is such a huge difference between Canadian coverage of missing children and the US.

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:00 PM

I find it very odd that there haven't been any reported sightings of Tori. Very unusual in a missing child case. Even if the sightings turn out to be false, there are always people who call in to report they saw the child.

Maybe we just haven't heard of any??

days of yore

05-01-2009, 10:03 PM

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 10:04 PM

Actually, there have been rumours of tons, but the police just haven't discussed them :sad:

...theres ONE difference right there..

girlfriday

05-01-2009, 10:05 PM

Well, let us all hope that Tori will come home safely tomorrow. If any time were better, it would have to be the rally set for tomorrow since it might seem a safe enough distraction (with the likelyhood of the crowds) for whom ever has her to release her safely - then the LE can go about wrapping up their case and bringing us justice.

If she is not returned tomorrow - I will fear the worse has happened to her.

Please Dear God, see this innocent child safely home by tomorrow :rose:

Nen

05-01-2009, 10:06 PM

I think Woodstock LE are very tight lipped about info. Maybe OPP advised them to keep quiet?

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:08 PM

There is such a huge difference between Canadian coverage of missing children and the US.

Yes, in a way. In the US, if it's a high profile case (or controversial), they'll cover it. Like Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and Sandra Cantu but there are many many children who don't any coverage at all or minimal coverage.

It's the same here. If there are no updates to report, the media will drop it.

Sadly, many of these children are never found and we never know what happened to them. :sad:

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 10:08 PM

I think Woodstock LE are very tight lipped about info. Maybe OPP advised them to keep quiet?

But I think thats with all the cases in Canada, not only missing children. One day you hear about something on the news and then you never hear about it again. Its just maddening. :cursing: Even if it goes to trial the chances are you never hear any details.

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:09 PM

Actually, there have been rumours of tons, but the police just haven't discussed them :sad:

Really? I haven't heard any.

Orleaner12

05-01-2009, 10:11 PM

or wait a few years and Fifth Estate will do a story on it:wink:

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 10:13 PM

or wait a few years and Fifth Estate will do a story on it:wink:

OMG :laugh: so true!!

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:13 PM

...theres ONE difference right there..

In Cedrika's case there were many. The dad even went to NB because a lead came in that his daughter was there. Unfortunately, he didn't find her.

I can see how a parent can go insane when sightings are reported and perhaps that's what LE tries to avoid. They will filter through all the leads and determine the credible ones vs the bogus ones.

Tough job.

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:14 PM

or wait a few years and Fifth Estate will do a story on it:wink:

LOL...you're so right. :blushing:

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 10:16 PM

I had some suspicions when Tara mentioned he hasn't paid child support but he does come across as genuine.

I get a sense that he's working with LE. His wanting to read the 3 page letter is just one of the things that makes me go hmmmmmm.

Read it out loud, Rodney.

Hey n/t - (my red highlight) Yes, me too, and I imagine everyone would like to hear it read aloud by Tara!

Rodney may be wondering if she even wrote Tori a letter and he may have wanted to just put Tara on the spot to see if she could produce it and hoping she would be taken off guard by his request, and if she could show him what she wrote that may help to ease his own suspicions, (if he is suspicious of Tara), but if she could not show him, then I think it would really be upsetting to him, and IMO, rightly so. Just a possible explanation - I haven't yet learned how to read minds!:)

But take it from me, the Queen of wordiness, one cannot write a 3 page letter in mere minutes, so I wish I knew the outcome of Rodney's request!

Tori needs to be found alive and well now!!:smile:

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:25 PM

Hey n/t - (my red highlight) Yes, me too, and I imagine everyone would like to hear it read aloud by Tara!

Rodney may be wondering if she even wrote Tori a letter and he may have wanted to just put Tara on the spot to see if she could produce it and hoping she would be taken off guard by his request, and if she could show him what she wrote that may help to ease his own suspicions, (if he is suspicious of Tara), but if she could not show him, then I think it would really be upsetting to him, and IMO, rightly so. Just a possible explanation - I haven't yet learned how to read minds!:)

But take it from me, the Queen of wordiness, one cannot write a 3 page letter in mere minutes, so I wish I knew the outcome of Rodney's request!

Tori needs to be found alive and well now!!:smile:

Also, his comment yesterday, I'm sure made a few people raise their eyebrows. <paraphrasing> Even if you think Tara is involved....

A slip up?

I'm starting to wonder if Rodney believes what many believe.

n/t

05-01-2009, 10:27 PM

But I think thats with all the cases in Canada, not only missing children. One day you hear about something on the news and then you never hear about it again. Its just maddening. :cursing: Even if it goes to trial the chances are you never hear any details.

Yes....that's very true. They don't follow up with the cases. I agree. Very frustrating.

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 10:29 PM

Too true, T.O. (and loving it:tonguewag:) girl. Sometimes I look for news from the night before in the morning and wonder if I just dreamt it:confused:

I know! And its not like you can ask anyone if they heard about it cuz they probably didnt!!! :rolleyes:

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 11:08 PM

Also, his comment yesterday, I'm sure made a few people raise their eyebrows. <paraphrasing> Even if you think Tara is involved....

A slip up?

I'm starting to wonder if Rodney believes what many believe.

Hey n/t: Oh yes, I had forgotten about that . . . but maybe he is so concerned with all the speculation and focus about Tara and her possible involvement, he just wanted to emphasize, from his own perspective, that any suspicions, directed at anyone, should not be an excuse to stop searching for Tori and the truth about her abduction.

Maybe he is just feeling really discouraged and scared by the fact that many people are already presuming they have figured out the case, and he wants to make sure Tori is not forgotten and he wants people to keep an open mind to make sure every possible effort is made on her behalf, without jumping to conclusions that may prove wrong, and if they are wrong, could impede the search for Tori!

The lack of credible new information and/or evidence seems to lead many people, IMO, to prematurely conclude, rightly or wrongly, that Tori has already met with a tragic ending, and therefore they lose interest because they think there is nothing more they can do/say to make a difference, if that were true. Perhaps many people believe that now it's just a matter of time before an arrest is made, and IMO, many people seem to be expecting that if charges are laid, they will be made against Tara whether or not she acted alone or in cahoots with some family member(s) and/or friend(s). I am not saying I believe this at all, because I actually don't, but I can understand how that kind of presumption would make Rodney feel the need to remove Tara from the conversation so to speak when making his pubic appeal for Tori's safe return.

I think momemtum is, IMO, building in the court of public opinion and it is pointed in one prominent direction as noted in the scenario above. Based upon the many comments I have read on the Internet throughout this case, it seems that too many in the public have given up hope of ever seeing Tori again and that justice will ever be meted out on her behalf.

I have not given up hope that Tori will be found alive and justice will be hers.:smile:

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 11:23 PM

:shrug: I usually just ignore if I don't get it. It's what we call skip and scroll in the message board world. lol

Posted for Dr. J - don't even ask!:) see n/t's message to me about post etiquette. Ignorance truly is bliss!

doctor_J

05-01-2009, 11:23 PM

Hope4Tori

05-01-2009, 11:29 PM

H4T--Thanks, After I posted (because I was bumfuzzled) I figured it out from other's post. like the one you quoted. Sorry, not used to the world of MB's yet. I'm still in the world where I think everyone is sensible. :rolleyes:

Okay Dr. J - me too:smile: - that's just the kind of smile I need to see me off to sleep - goodnight Dr. J and everyone here!

Hoping for a miracle for Tori!

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 11:33 PM

H4T--Thanks, After I posted (because I was bumfuzzled) I figured it out from other's post. like the one you quoted. Sorry, not used to the world of MB's yet. I'm still in the world where I think everyone is sensible. :rolleyes:

According to the number of your posts you should be growing your second skin any day now. :laugh: It will become thicker as you go on..

streeter

05-01-2009, 11:33 PM

Hey n/t - (my red highlight)

*respectfully snipped*

Rodney may be wondering if she even wrote Tori a letter and he may have wanted to just put Tara on the spot to see if she could produce it

Bingo!

There was a reason Rodney said that in front of the mikes. He could have waited until they went in the house. I agree with what you said, Hope4Tori, and I also believe that Rodney wanted us to know that he had not seen any letter.

My observations from the presser:

When Rodney was trying to explain why he couldn't cry anymore, Tara kept interrupting him to talk about her feelings.

Reporter observes that it's been a weird week. Tara says "Whaddya mean a weird week?" :scared:

Regarding her school "Her name is still up on her cubby, like I mean they're not treating it like she's not coming back." :scared:

It looked like Tara literally stomped into the house when Rodney delivered his message to Victoria.

bkqueen

05-01-2009, 11:35 PM

I have not been around for a few days, but have been reading the posts when I get the chance.

My thoughtso n the grandmother distancing herself are that she knows what her daughter is like, she knows what she is capable of.

If she gets to close to the issue, goes to the conferences, meets the press,etc. if she actually 'deals with it' she will then have to acknowledge what her daughter did to her granddaughter.

streeter

05-01-2009, 11:38 PM

Does anyone else get the feeling that this bike rally is the culminating point in this drama as far as Tara is concerned? It's like it's the climax in a movie. I had the feeling Tara and the reporters were doing their farewells and swan songs today. It was like "we've done all we can, now it's over. Thanks for coming out."

I can't shake the feeling that something is supposed to happen tomorrow.

ttcRider

05-01-2009, 11:39 PM

doctor_J

05-01-2009, 11:46 PM

Nen

05-02-2009, 12:37 AM

doctor_J you just it all. There are just too many "coincedences" in this case.

I feel so bad for little Daryn. In one of those earlier links that were posted he's crying and it's so heartbreaking. That poor little boy probably blames himself for not being there to protect his little sister. He's another innocent victim in all this.

I agree about news here though. It does tend to drop stories quickly and without notice. It's just so horrible that these cases are everywhere on the news for a few weeks and then they just become another cold case.

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 12:59 AM

What do you suppose is the possibility, statistically speaking, of having your small daughter kidnapped, in broad daylight, in front of witnesses and video cameras showing her going along of her own free will, although she had many opportunities to run or scream or struggle, and the "abductor" just happens to be a female that looks like you, has long brown hair worn in a ponytail, just like you, and has your body type and build? And she is dressed just as you commonly do, right down to having a white puffy coat?On top of that, lo and behold, the forensic artist draws a sketch that resembles you after talking to the eye witnesses?
On top of all these INCREDIBLE coincidences, you have a surreal visitation by a magnanimous benefactor who escorts you, fairy-tale style, in a limousine to a clandestine meeting in which he/they arrange an unlimited amount of money which is designated for a "ransom" rather than a "reward"? Noone but you is ever allowed to see this benefactor and no photo documentation is allowed, of course.

:w00t:

cursing (snipped by me)

:crying:

Hey Dr. J - I think I have posted three goodnights already tonight but I just cannot stop reading the posts, and yours got me thinking about something that even though it has been out there since the release of the composite drawing, I have not considered until I saw your post just now...

When did the witness give police descriptive details of the suspected abductor? Was it immediately upon having been identified and located, perhaps even the same day as the police discovered the video, which I believe was on April 9th? Or - could it have been many days later, when Tara's photo and her pcs were making headlines on a daily basis which, with all the suspicion flying around, could have influenced the witnesses recollection? I wonder too because, the composite was not released until the 9th day after Tori was taken, and I remember because the sketch was in fact my first post/link here on the board.

If the witness could provide the police with accurate details based on memory alone and without succumbing to outside influences, and if in fact the artist immediately worked with the witness to come up with the sketch, before he/she had an opportunity to become tainted by public opinon why would the sketch have been withheld from the public for so long when an earlier release would have, IMO, been helpful and its integrity less questionable?

And since, by many people's estimation, the sketch bears a strong resemblance to Tara, why, since the public distribution of the sketch, would the witness not simply confirm whether the person he/she saw with Tori, was or was not Tara. That person must know fairly confident of what he/she saw to have aided the police in making a sketch, unless, he had seen Tara in the news, or knew her prior, or had purposefully or subconsciously altered his memory to conveniently adapt the sketch to her likeness.

If the police think that the witness and the sketch are both credible, then why not either make an arrest based on an eye witnesses account, or declare that the person was in fact not Tara?

Perhaps Streeter, if still here, can parse my message into one brief sentence, as she did in an earlier post, to help me make my point more clearly. By the way Streeter, if you are reading this, I was impressed with your fine editing skills - if only I knew how to make that one bingo point in one sentence - but it just does not come naturally to me!:)

Dr. J - What are the odds that everything happened in this case as it is being suggested? Not likely, but possible.

Let me know, if my reply means it really is way past my post time! And thanks for getting my adrenaline going again!

May Tori be safe and sound in every moment until her safe arrival home!

virgogal

05-02-2009, 01:25 AM

SIGH! I am afraid I feel like I have given up...
It's sad...but I had held a lot of hope for tonight!

:(

girlfriday

05-02-2009, 01:30 AM

Anyone have a link to the bike rally 'flyer'?

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 01:56 AM

SIGH! I am afraid I feel like I have given up...
It's sad...but I had held a lot of hope for tonight!

:(

Hey you Virgogal - Virgos may get discouraged in the face of overwhelming odds, but they are strong earthy signs, made of substance, analyse every detail when searching for answers, practical, resilient, insightful and intelligent, and kindhearted, and once you get a few winks, you will have hope again - You are not alone in how you feel, but we can't give up hope for Tori because there's always tomorrow and it's only a day away!:) And no my real name is not Annie. I'm not trying to make light of how you're feeling, just trying to lift you up!:) btw - my moon sign is Virgo.

Okay, I'm not religious, but even I am praying for a positive outcome for Tori - and hello whomever is up there listening - sooner would be good!!!

moonlite

05-02-2009, 03:07 AM

Sad

I also read the story under that about Tara getting testy at reporters for not focusing on Tori. Does she think people are there for her? She probably hopes so.

The end of the article about the bike fundraiser bugged me though. She said it's money for her kids, not her. I don't want to sound heartless but why does she need to raise money for her kids exactly? I always assumed money raised at these things were for the reward or to keep a website going. She supposedly has this open ended donor and there is no specific Tori site is there? It just seems like Tara is taking advantage of the whole tragic situation.

Greetings'
Nen"

I agree!!! I think Tara, is taking advantage of the public. I'm still trying to get caught up here with reading all the posts. Have you heard anything about the dog? I do think this case is just getting stranger and stranger. I still can't believe the police have not made Tara take another lie detector test.

Moonlite

juliekan

05-02-2009, 03:31 AM

Anyone have a link to the bike rally 'flyer'?

Sorry, cannot find one. Wish I could. You usually have the best "leads" and I think you know something?? Maybe the reference Tara made today that this is not a fundraiser? I could have sworn that earlier in the week it was.

My only thoughts tonight (besides the sorrowful ones) are that with less media attention/coverage maybe Tori will be "found". Miraculously! While no one was looking!

And a side note: we know James was supposed to have a court date last week. We have not seen him since...doesn't mean he's not there, but where is he?

moonlite

05-02-2009, 03:41 AM

Bingo!

There was a reason Rodney said that in front of the mikes. He could have waited until they went in the house. I agree with what you said, Hope4Tori, and I also believe that Rodney wanted us to know that he had not seen any letter.

My observations from the presser:

When Rodney was trying to explain why he couldn't cry anymore, Tara kept interrupting him to talk about her feelings.

Reporter observes that it's been a weird week. Tara says "Whaddya mean a weird week?" :scared:

Regarding her school "Her name is still up on her cubby, like I mean they're not treating it like she's not coming back." :scared:

It looked like Tara literally stomped into the house when Rodney delivered his message to Victoria.

Greetings'
Streeter"

I think the police need to stand up to her and ask some of those real hard questions. If Tara, does not realize that yes' people in the public do think regarding this case, it just keeps getting weirder and weirder. All I can say Tara really must live in a bubble.

Moonlite

juliekan

05-02-2009, 04:05 AM

the following is a paraphrase of what I saw posted by someone who has been searching for his/her friend since 3/09:

We are not ready to let go yet and we won't. We will continue with our efforts until we believe we have exhausted every idea and area of interest. We will continue to put up posters announcing our searches. However, I think we really need to focus on the fundraising for her kids.

JUST now after multiple, ongoing volunteer searches, are the friends turning to think about what funds they need to raise for the kids.

Not in week one, two, etc.

My blessings that after all these searches that these people still want to do more for the victim's family.

Lovethechild

05-02-2009, 07:30 AM

New thread 4 Tori. I hope she's found this week-end!

Lovethechild

05-02-2009, 07:31 AM

New thread 4 Tori

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352897

Nen

05-02-2009, 08:36 AM

So do I. I hope this bike ride is the thing that brings her home. Sigh

n/t

05-02-2009, 08:59 AM

n/t

05-02-2009, 09:02 AM

Woodstock - The latest appeal for help in the Victoria Stafford investigation is going out to farmers.

They're being asked to pay extra attention as they tend their fields this spring, looking for signs of anything unusual.

Oxford Community Police and the OPP continue to canvass door-to-door in Woodstock, and a landfill site in Salford is also still the subject of an intense search.

The eight-year old girl went missing more than three weeks ago.

http://www.570news.com/news/local/more.jsp?content=20090501_172653_7148

n/t

05-02-2009, 09:08 AM

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 09:13 AM

A beautiful piece about TORI. :rose:

Let's bring the focus back to what counts: little Tori Stafford

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090502.BLATCH02ART2154/TPStory/TPComment/Ontario/

good morning n/t - and Nen too!

Yes, it is a wonderfully touching article and I feel for Tori and Daryn's Nanna/GRANDma - heartbreaking!:crying: I had just logged in to post the same article.

You have a great day!:)

Tori must be found safe and sound and soon!!

n/t

05-02-2009, 09:15 AM

good morning n/t - and Nen too!

Yes, it is a wonderfully touching article and I feel for Tori and Daryn's Nanna/GRANDma - heartbreaking!:crying: I had just logged in to post the same article.

You have a great day!:)

Tori must be found safe and sound and soon!!

Good Morning,

I hope LE has checked nana's computer!

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 09:26 AM

Good Morning,

I hope LE has checked nana's computer!

hi n/t - me too - It's hard to imagine all the computers that Tori and any other family members used would not have been confiscated by LE or at least have had the hard drives copied for analyses. It's hard to imagine searches would not have been conducted by LE of all the family's homes and cars - but that doesn't seem to have happened. I would imagine that since Tori is missing her families/friends would want to fully cooperate and would not object to any of these type of intrusions of privacy. I have a great imagination, eh?

I have hope for Tori - today and always, until I hear that she has come safely home!!:wub:

n/t

05-02-2009, 09:39 AM

hi n/t - me too - It's hard to imagine all the computers that Tori and any other family members used would not have been confiscated by LE or at least have had the hard drives copied for analyses. It's hard to imagine searches would not have been conducted by LE of all the family's homes and cars - but that doesn't seem to have happened. I would imagine that since Tori is missing her families/friends would want to fully cooperate and would not object to any of these type of intrusions of privacy. I have a great imagination, eh?

I have hope for Tori - today and always, until I hear that she has come safely home!!:wub:

I was thinking not so much because of what the parents may have on their computer but what Tori was doing. She seemed to be on the computer a lot according to grandma so they should check the sites she frequented. Child predators are known to frequent childrens sites and perhaps Tori met someone who she may have thought was a friend?

Nen

05-02-2009, 09:48 AM

Good Morning!

That was such a sad article. To think that Tori's bike and other toys are just sitting there untouched...heartbreaking.

May this little girl be found safe soon

JD1974

05-02-2009, 09:50 AM

Nen

05-02-2009, 09:52 AM

I can't believe Tori isn't even listed in Child Find Ontario. This is appalling.

http://www.ontario.childfind.ca/ontariomissing.html

The database search under S - no Tori Stafford listed!!

http://popeye.discash.com/childfind/db/child.cgi?alpha=S

I'm sending them an email immediately! :cursing:

What in the world? It's like this little girl is falling through the cracks. I'm sending an email also

Those links were so hard to click on

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 10:48 AM

I was thinking not so much because of what the parents may have on their computer but what Tori was doing. She seemed to be on the computer a lot according to grandma so they should check the sites she frequented. Child predators are known to frequent childrens sites and perhaps Tori met someone who she may have thought was a friend?

Yes n/t - I am with you in that regard as well - but - can we not presume that the police are at least as smart as we all are and much more equipped to take action to find out??

Honestly, like many of us, I too had thought that would have happened (search of computers with all the internet lurers out there and with child pornography sites being a big issue everywhere these days) in the first hours/days that Tori went missing especiallly as it is common knowledge how kids today are more computer savvy than many adults, but having said that they are still innocent children and when it comes to judgement they need supervision and protection for they are not experienced when having to distinguish who's who and who/what site is safe when online. Parental controls don't catch everything, and many kids know how to navigate around them.

With regards to LE and the examination of computers - I had expected in the early days that this would be a primary part of the investigation. If not, why not?? I wish we knew what their investigation actually entails! I wonder if we will ever know, but I continue to hope the answers will come - and in time for Tori!!

Thanks as always for your keen observations and help n/t!:)

Thinking of Tori today and hoping she will be found - now!!

girlfriday

05-02-2009, 11:50 AM

Sorry, cannot find one. Wish I could. You usually have the best "leads" and I think you know something?? Maybe the reference Tara made today that this is not a fundraiser? I could have sworn that earlier in the week it was.

My only thoughts tonight (besides the sorrowful ones) are that with less media attention/coverage maybe Tori will be "found". Miraculously! While no one was looking!

And a side note: we know James was supposed to have a court date last week. We have not seen him since...doesn't mean he's not there, but where is he?

Thanks for looking. I couldn't turn one up either - but I thought I'd seen a glance of one on TV coverage but was too busy at the time to have a good look.

About you thinking I know something. Not in the literal sense, but perhaps in the common sense - not unlike the rest of the people who come to this board to share their thoughts, etc.

I woke this morning wondering if the rumour of the dog gone missing was truthful. It made me wonder if Tori was possibly lead away so easily by the prospect that someone wanted to help her find the dog.

We all have our suspicions, but I don't know more than them to go on, and what I've picked up from the coverage.

girlfriday

05-02-2009, 12:11 PM

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 12:11 PM

Morning, all.

I believe the OPP have waayyy more info than we do. IMO they are not releasing it because they:
(a) don't want to jeopardize the investigation
(b) don't care about our feelings and curiosity, which is how it should be in order to protect (a)

H4T, your insights into this case are so much appreciated. Thought-provoking and well-researched, gotta love that in a poster:wub:

I pray that this is the day Tori and Haleigh come safely home:rose:

Hey Lizziegirl - nice to be intouch with you once more! ITA with a and b and because I/we cannot lose hope for Tori, and I/we must trust that LE knows what they're doing, even though I /(we?/some?) am not completely confident in that regard, what choice do I/we have. And if the waiting for the answers if hard for us, I can only imagine how hard it must be for those who know and love Tori!

Thank you sooooooo much for your kind comments - they made my day! . . . and the only thing nicer that could happen today is to hear that Tori is found alive and well!:smile:

Hope4Tori

05-02-2009, 12:26 PM

Good possibility. Even when streetproofed, as I'm sure Tori was, her own dog would be a perfect lure. I alway feared that my own son, although it was drilled into him daily not to, would help someone look for a lost puppy or kitten. (He's 21 now, so hopefully past that danger!)
But if the perp suggested to Tori that it was HER dog that was missing, esp. if he/she knew the pup's name, I'd bet she'd go in a heartbeat.:crying:

Yes Lizziegirl - Exactly! And precisely why the press should have questioned Tara and/or family about the dog's missing canine status because it could prove important! It is a small detail perhaps, but they say the devil is in the details, right?

Have a super day and thanks for your imput on this point!

Wishing Tori to find a way home safe and sound!:smile:

virgogal

05-02-2009, 01:11 PM

The Globe and Mail have posted an article yesterday which makes reference to a 'purple blanket'....just as Psychic Sterling Sinclair did on April 29th!

http://propheticwisdom.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/psychic-sterling-sinclair-2nd-tori-stafford-auracature-and-message-april-29-2009/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090502.wblatch02/BNStory/National

Kind of eerie!

virgogal

05-02-2009, 01:53 PM

No disrespect taken! I just think it's a bit coincidental!

Orleaner12

05-02-2009, 04:59 PM

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/2009/05/02/9327421.html

M_J

05-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Hi All:

I'm glad the london newspaper editor wrote that article. I hope it means we all see Tori come home soon.

Doesn't it make you wish shows like CSI were actually true. I mean, I suppose some of it is - but I'd bet the results for testing, etc would take months and months. (I know of a lady whos son had passed away from epilepsy, and it's been some 2.5+ years, and still doesn't have the autopsy report..) So I can only imagine how long it would take for any sort of tests to come back.

Also - Why hasn't anything been mentioned about a teacher on "yard duty"?.. most teachers know many of the students, and also know their parents. Some schools even require the kids to wait until their parents/siblings/etc come to their classroom to pick them up. I know it'd be extra work for the teachers, but hey, it's obviously worth it.

I just hope that if Tori never comes home, that (and this may sound cruel, but I mean it in the most caring way..) she passed quickly and painlessly. I know however, that isn't what usually happens.

Where could this little girl be?..

If you ask me, because it took so long for a search to be started.. (even a day is too long IMO).. she was already far away from Woodstock. I live in Southern Ontario, and believe me.. many times I've wondered if maybe she was right here, in my town with her abductor?.. Then my smart side kicks in.. shes either long from here.. hidden at a "friends" house, or sadly maybe no longer with us.

Also - (A lightbulb just came on..) What if her abductor told her that they were going away for a while? .. Maybe she told Tori they were going on a trip? Mom gets some cash for her "trust fund", and becomes a local celeb.. and Tori has no idea whats happening? Far-fetched I know.

I do know that Tori's father, Rodney said the composite sketch looked like someone he knew from highschool. Could that mean the courses he is currently taking? Apparently it was female, aged 19-25 right? Well, I'm sure there was at least one woman 19-25 in that classroom. :thumbdown: .. then again.. Tara said they went to different highschools for a few years, so she didn't recgonise the person.. so maybe not?

Now that I've gone and confused myself.. I will stop typing.. before I confuse all of you more..:closedeyes::confused:

Sorry, I know this post was a little off current topic.. just some things I had brewing all day long.

streeter

05-02-2009, 09:02 PM

The ride is over with no return of Tori, and Tara McDonald is still suffering from foot-in-mouth disease. :thumbdown:

From the London Free Press: (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/2009/05/02/9328011.html)

James Goris, McDonald's boyfriend, described the ride - which wended along backroads through such towns as Paris, Ayr and Hartley - as "awesome." McDonald herself, though, was emotional.

"I bawled" as the ride began at a downtown Woodstock parking lot, she said. "I'm sure CTV (camera crews) caught it."

Are you sure, Tara? Should we do a re-take? :flamemad:

doctor_J

05-02-2009, 09:10 PM

The board is so slow I just wanted to pipe up and say WELCOME to M_J. All your input is appreciated. It is especially nice to have another Canadian. Be nice if you can post any local media input also. We've been warned that this case might just disappear from the Canadian media but hoping that's not the case.

aproudmom

05-02-2009, 09:19 PM

aproudmom

05-02-2009, 09:31 PM

Hi All:

Also - Why hasn't anything been mentioned about a teacher on "yard duty"?.. most teachers know many of the students, and also know their parents. Some schools even require the kids to wait until their parents/siblings/etc come to their classroom to pick them up. I know it'd be extra work for the teachers, but hey, it's obviously worth it.

<snipped> for space
my bolding

I saw you said something about them having to be picked up in the school here you used to have to sign the child out in the office but now they just changed it now every child who is picked up has a wrist band and the parent or sitter or whoever has been given appoval by the parents they must match up before they are allowed to leave that school...they scan it...and we are from a very small county so these other schools should be able to do the same..at that age no child should be allowed out the door with out a parent..to many kids going missing these days...all JMO

aproudmom

05-02-2009, 09:40 PM

MoonFlwr

05-02-2009, 09:40 PM

A rather scathing report from the London Free Press editor's desk (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/CanadaWorld/2009/05/02/9322271-sun.html):

So the cops are at her press conferences? :ohmy:

I hadn't thought of that, but, in retrospect, it would make sense for them to be present.
Just imagine what subtle clues they could possibly pick up during one of those...from ANYONE present, plus any words said, body language etc.

aproudmom

05-02-2009, 09:47 PM

sparky

05-02-2009, 10:59 PM

On today's news, strangers from far and wide drove all night to help look for Tori threw dense wooded areas.....cut to Tara at a "bike rally and bar-b-que", oh with rock bands too! :glare:

See video here:
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34227.aspx

days of yore

05-02-2009, 11:20 PM

Respectfully snipped............

It isn't gum. It's a cough lozenge. Tara told press at the beginning of the week she was losing her voice.

Ohh...okay...whew!! I was in shock that this was even possible for someone to be casually chewing gum while discussing their lost child...I'm glad to hear that it was a lozenge instead.

I'm still hoping and praying that my gut is right. That Tara isn't too terrible a mom (ie. 'doing away with her kid', for lack of a nicer term) and that this started as something to be, as she said in her words, "mildy vindictive" towards Rodney and that "it just got out of hand" and the perps "don't know what to do now". I saw truthfulness on her face when I heard that. Either way, I'm praying for all the souls involved....

Good night, all!

days of yore

05-02-2009, 11:25 PM

The ride is over with no return of Tori, and Tara McDonald is still suffering from foot-in-mouth disease. :thumbdown:

From the London Free Press: (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/2009/05/02/9328011.html)

Are you sure, Tara? Should we do a re-take? :flamemad:

One last remark before bed...Streeter, you are toooo funny!!! :lol:

girlfriday

05-03-2009, 02:45 AM

Thanks for the links girlfriday.
Thing is, if Tori's captor(s) are smart, I'd have to believe he/she/they're not going to keep Tori in the same clothes she was wearing the day he/she/they took Tori.

Sure enough.

I just thought it was interesting that the bag is a 'sleep over kit' - whereas the one mentioned in the reports is said to be a purse. That's all...could be nothing, if that is her usual school bag.

girlfriday

05-03-2009, 03:07 AM

Sure enough.

I just thought it was interesting that the bag is a 'sleep over kit' - whereas the one mentioned in the reports is said to be a purse. That's all...could be nothing, if that is her usual school bag.

I went back and viewed a video where I'd thought I'd seen the sleeping bag: from this Psychic video coverage inside Tori's room.
( Find Episode #121 04/19/09 ) http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html?releasePID=TpGQI1SXroaajjlDcD9MC0xWrTJa oppf

You can see it on the floor at marker 6:02 of the footage.

streeter

05-03-2009, 03:41 AM

Hi, Kinetic! :seeya:

Paul Berton, according to the article's heading, is the editor-in-chief of the LFP. I take that to mean he's the big cheese at the paper as opposed to being an active reporter on the beat.

You're right, though. Hopefully his reporters will take note and the tone of their questioning will take a turn.

n/t

05-03-2009, 07:45 AM

Respectfully snipped...........

Hi streeter, thanks for the link!!
I have to admit it's pretty surprising to only see now a "scathing" report from someone of the press.
I'm also disappointed by this too because where was this reporter's attitude during all the pcs?
The reporters wasted days asking the same questions over and over.
How many of us on here would say well that pc sucked after watching because some of us thought the questions were weak or what not?

This article kind of makes me think that this reporter could have did better but because the reporters shied away from all the taboo questions, which would've put control back into the hands of the reporters and because they didn't take those opportunities, only now a reporter is saying he's tired of Tara?

I'd have to tell this reporter give me a break.

Every reporter there had ample opportunity to put Tara on the spot and they didn't. They wimped out. What's the worse Tara would've done? Walk away? Even if she did stomp off after being asked a tough question, Tara would come back the next day because she needed the press and at least with the tough questions the public would've at least seen some type of reaction from Tara and that's why this "scathing" article ticks me off. It's almost as if this reporter is trying to pass the buck as to why he was an incompetent reporter.

Great post. I totally agree. Did they ever ask her if she had anything to do with Tori's disappearance? Never.

Of course, she would've answered no but her body language would be very telling and that's an investigative tool used by LE.

We get the mumble jumble of a polygraph taken but not completed....whatever. I'm really pissed that they didn't ask her to retake one. Why didn't she go to the police and demand they give her another one?

They haven't cleared anyone in this case so how are people supposed to believe anything the family or LE is saying.

Where are our investigative reporters? Do we have any up here in Canada? :glare:

n/t

05-03-2009, 07:53 AM

Well...look at that. CTV didn't capture Tara "bawling" like she wanted them to.

I couldn't find it. Did any of you? CTV didn't even post a video just a picture.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090502/stafford_update_090502/20090502?hub=TorontoHome

What an odd statement to make!

M_J

05-03-2009, 11:22 AM

JMO - But maybe instead of "bawling" during a motorcycle ride, maybe she should have been "bawling" during a search for her daughter. Instead of her 1:00 daily press conferences, she should be looking for Tori!

Has she looked at all? .. You'd think a mother whos daughter is missing would be out there looking for her. Then again - maybe Tori isn't missing to Tara.

I'm not sure if I believe the physics here .. http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/globalshows/16x9/video.html?releasePID=TpGQI1SXroaajjlDcD9MC0xWrTJa oppf

but maybe the cops should be looking for a cottage though, like many others have mentioned in this thread before.

ps - near the end of the video.. one of the physics mention that the lady in the surveillance video, the one who Tori and her abductor walked past, should come forward with some info.. but IMO - she might not have any, I don't necessarily look at everyone that passes me.

Why didn't the physics in the video tell us when we would hear news? They were keen to say we would, but never mentioned when, or if Tori would be alive when we do.

Apparently Tori's getting McDonalds though, hmm.. a cottage area, and getting McDonalds? .. I'm not sure about that one.. unless this cottage is very close to a city.

All JMO.

Have a good day all.

Thanks for all the welcoming messages all.:w00t:

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 11:33 AM

Sure enough.

I just thought it was interesting that the bag is a 'sleep over kit' - whereas the one mentioned in the reports is said to be a purse. That's all...could be nothing, if that is her usual school bag.

Good morning, Girlfriday and everyone here!:smile:

I had read that here, I think on someone's post before, in one of the olders posts I think, but maybe I saw it in some news article - truly I cannot remember in the moment, but in yesterday's Globe & Mail article by Christie Blatchford, it was reported that the Nanna had driven Tori to school from her (Nanna's) house the morning of April 8th as Tori had stayed with her the night before. I think that is why Tori had the sleep over kit/back back.

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 11:46 AM

Respectfully snipped...........

Hi streeter, thanks for the link!!
I have to admit it's pretty surprising to only see now a "scathing" report from someone of the press.
I'm also disappointed by this too because where was this reporter's attitude during all the pcs?
The reporters wasted days asking the same questions over and over.
How many of us on here would say well that pc sucked after watching because some of us thought the questions were weak or what not?

This article kind of makes me think that this reporter could have did better but because the reporters shied away from all the taboo questions, which would've put control back into the hands of the reporters and because they didn't take those opportunities, only now a reporter is saying he's tired of Tara?

I'd have to tell this reporter give me a break.

Every reporter there had ample opportunity to put Tara on the spot and they didn't. They wimped out. What's the worse Tara would've done? Walk away? Even if she did stomp off after being asked a tough question, Tara would come back the next day because she needed the press and at least with the tough questions the public would've at least seen some type of reaction from Tara and that's why this "scathing" article ticks me off. It's almost as if this reporter is trying to pass the buck as to why he was an incompetent reporter.

Hey Kinetic - Hallelujah!!! You know I agree with every fine point you make here!!! I wish the, if members of press are listening, they will take the hint and grow a collective backbone and stand up for Tori and all those who need to know the right questions were asked to the right people!!!

I hope to hear good news about Tori today!:wub:

girlfriday

05-03-2009, 12:39 PM

Good morning, Girlfriday and everyone here!:smile:

I had read that here, I think on someone's post before, in one of the olders posts I think, but maybe I saw it in some news article - truly I cannot remember in the moment, but in yesterday's Globe & Mail article by Christie Blatchford, it was reported that the Nanna had driven Tori to school from her (Nanna's) house the morning of April 8th as Tori had stayed with her the night before. I think that is why Tori had the sleep over kit/back back.

That makes sense. I hadn't known about the stay over.

I had assumed she was at home because in a PC Tara had said she only just gave Tori permission that morning (April 8th) to have her friends over after school.

BTW - a shout out to all of you - this is a great board of insightful people who's obvious goals are to help find the missing .... and the truth - kind regards to all :rose:

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 12:56 PM

That makes sense. I hadn't known about the stay over.

I had assumed she was at home because in a pc Tara had said she only just gave Tori permission that morning (April 8th) to have her friends over after school.

BTW - a shout out to all of you - this is a great board of insightful people who's obvious goals are to help find the missing .... and the truth - kind regards to all :rose:

Hey Girlfriday: Yes, you're right - I remember hearing of Tara making just such a comment - perhaps over the phone to Tori? - or perhaps Nanna drove with Tori to see Tara in the morning before they then went to school?

Just when I think we may have stumbled upon an answer, it ends up leading only to more questions that seem to aways be left hanging -and the press could certainly ask for clarification of all these type of issues and inconsistencies, IMO.

ITA with your comments about this board and the people all of whom make great contributions and for the right reasons!:thumbsup:

Wishing for Tori's safe return home today!:wub:

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 02:05 PM

Good morning, sunshine:seeya:

Could there be a reason they are not allowed to ask? I can't think of one right off, maybe somebody else?

And with all due respect, I don't care about "sensitivity issues". A child is missing, no holds barred imo.

Hey Lizziegirl - :beer: - nice to hear from you again, as always!

Maybe - and that's a big maybe -the press may have been given some direction on what kind of issues may be brought up when posing questions?? But truthfully I doubt it. I can understand to a degree the LE's silence and secrecy, but in my mind the role of the press is much different - so I am left only to wonder.

And as I wonder, I think that with the LE's presence at the pcs, they would have an opportunity to jump in and advise the press and the families - in the moment when some kind of sensitive question was asked - that certain questions/topics are off limits due to the potential risk of the answer compromising their investigation and that could jeopardize the safe return of Tori. But could the police only make such a suggestion and would the press have to abide by LE's wishes?? Could the press be made liable if they disregarded such a directive by the police?? I don't know. But . .

That possible explanation really makes no sense to me because to my knowledge, Tara and others have given interviews in private settings where I don't believe they are being monitored by the police. But . . .

Maybe all parties - Tori's family and friends and the press were cautioned right from the getgo about addressing certain things that could screw up the investigation and the chance of getting Tori back to safety. But . . .

If any of these scenarios were true, I would expect that whatever the reasoning, it would be explained to the public, but - maybe not.

I can understand the press's initial reticence when asking hard questions in the beginning because a missing child is a sensitive issue for the parents and no human, feeling person would want to add to their misery by being harsh without having good reason, but . . .

If the press soon got the message that there was indeed more to the story that was not being told, and if the families/friends prime objective in having pcs/interviews is to aid in the search for answers to bring Tori home, why not flesh out all the facts and ask for and expect answers to all the reported facts/theories that may or may not add up??

The press has an obligation to follow up in all directions, IMO, without bias, without being influenced by anyone else's agenda, and for the sole purpose of objectively informing the public of the truth, no matter what the truth looks like. The public is smart and can make good conclusions based on reported facts. The problem, as I see it, is when we are left to our own devices to read between the lines of what's reported and all the things left unsaid.

You are right, Lizziegirl, when you say "A child is missing, no holds barred imo" and if only I could be convinced that all the persons involved in this case (LE/Tori's Families/Friends/and the Press) were on the same page and were commited to the ONLY priority that matters - finding the truth that will lead to Tori's homecoming and an arrest of whomever is responsible for her abduction.

Hoping Tori will be found safe and sound now!!:wub:

iveyguy

05-03-2009, 02:56 PM

I think that with the LE's presence at the pcs, they would have an opportunity to jump in and advise the press and the families - in the moment when some kind of sensitive question was asked - that certain questions/topics are off limits due to the potential risk of the answer compromising their investigation and that could jeopardize the safe return of Tori.

You bring up an interesting point -- one such topic that seems to be "off-limits" thus far are the alibis of the family, specifically Tara, on the day Tori disappeared between 3:25 pm and ... the following morning??? We know school ended at 3:25 pm and that grandmother reported Tori missing at 6:02 pm and the case was not immediately considered an amber alert, or even with the sense of urgency that you would have expected. We know that Tara didn't pass her lie detector.

If I was a journalist, I'd be asking some pointed questions about what happened that afternoon, evening, and in to the next morning. But no one has! Is it just "too early", or is it possible that LE has asked the press to avoid this topic (and why)?

I know this case is being considered an abduction, but you'd think Tara would have mentioned something about that day and her actions... but so far, she's said very little.

moonlite

05-03-2009, 03:37 PM

A rather scathing report from the London Free Press editor's desk (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/CanadaWorld/2009/05/02/9322271-sun.html):

So the cops are at her press conferences? :ohmy:

Greetings'
Streeter"

Thank you for posting the link. I think the editor said a mouthful here!!

Moonlite

streeter

05-03-2009, 03:47 PM

I didn't see the video, but if McDonalds is mentioned as a connection by the psychic, Tara's last name is McDonald. I may be way off here, as I said, I didn't see the vid.

OMG, Lizzie, I never thought of that! :scared:

Getting food from "McDonald's"...hmm...

bkqueen

05-03-2009, 05:45 PM

iveyguy

05-03-2009, 06:03 PM

I am not sure we know for a fact that Tara has not passed the lie detector test,

Those words may have been a bit vindictive on my part. Is it fair to say that she hasn't "completed" a lie detector test? Or has
"neither passed nor failed" a test? In the Globe & Mail article (from last Saturday?), it was clear that Tara left before completing the test, but it was unclear whether she left during the "results" phase, or during the "questioning" phase.

Either way, I'm convinced by that article that there's SOMETHING in the lie dectector test -- maybe not an outright lie, but an inconsistency, or inaccuracy about the event before, during, and after that day. Why am I convinced? Well if Tara didn't complete the test, why wouldn't LE resume it after she had calmed down, slept, etc.? She's even offered to re-do it, so why haven't LE taken her up on the offer? I think the reason is that the test was "successful" in achieving its purpose -- it either told LE that Tara was being "honest" or "dishonest" with the police in terms of her statements, background and alibi. They already know one way or another if she's being honest with them, so there's no need for another test.

And based on the Globe & Mail article, it doesn't sound like her test ended with the police telling her that she passed. She has inferred that she passed because they let her go home, but she specifically said that "no one told her that she passed". And that's why I don't think she did. But to be fair, it's not a "fact" at this point.

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 07:24 PM

Those words may have been a bit vindictive on my part. Is it fair to say that she hasn't "completed" a lie detector test? Or has
"neither passed nor failed" a test? In the Globe & Mail article (from last Saturday?), it was clear that Tara left before completing the test, but it was unclear whether she left during the "results" phase, or during the "questioning" phase.

Either way, I'm convinced by that article that there's SOMETHING in the lie dectector test -- maybe not an outright lie, but an inconsistency, or inaccuracy about the event before, during, and after that day. Why am I convinced? Well if Tara didn't complete the test, why wouldn't LE resume it after she had calmed down, slept, etc.? She's even offered to re-do it, so why haven't LE taken her up on the offer? I think the reason is that the test was "successful" in achieving its purpose -- it either told LE that Tara was being "honest" or "dishonest" with the police in terms of her statements, background and alibi. They already know one way or another if she's being honest with them, so there's no need for another test.

And based on the Globe & Mail article, it doesn't sound like her test ended with the police telling her that she passed. She has inferred that she passed because they let her go home, but she specifically said that "no one told her that she passed". And that's why I don't think she did. But to be fair, it's not a "fact" at this point.

Hey Iveyguy: Thanks for your post!:smile:

I remember hearing Tara say in a pc that she did finish the lie detector test, immediately after having admitted that the experience of it didn't go as well as she may have previously given the impression that it had. She also said at that same time that she had a good conversation with the person who conducted the test after it was finished, but she then said she lost it and had to get out of there. Perhaps that conversation was the "results" phase you are referring to, and if those results were in fact shared with her and they weren't what she expected to hear, perhaps she panicked?

In any case, it was, in my mind, very difficult to follow exactly what Tara was trying to impress upon the public with regards to the test, except that it was my impression that she was trying to do damage control before the results were made public, hoping to attract sympathy, and to give excuses as to why she may not have passed, if in fact she did not, or suspected she did not - and for me it was an obvious attempt on her part to manipulate public opinion, and perhaps even a sly way of trying to get her message through to LE, but of course all that is JMO from watching her and listening to her explanation that day.

When it comes to Tara, I have, like many others, noticed a lot of peculiar inconsistencies in her stories, so I don't find it difficut to imagine that the LE came across this same type of situation when interviewing or testing Tara, but that JMO.

And to my knowledge, the lie detector test results for all others tested have not been shared with the public by LE or anyone else, unless those tested have been told personally and privately and have decided to keep the results secret - who knows. If any results have been made public, I certainly missed it.

I think you may be correct about the reasons why LE don't make public the results and/or ask for a repeat performance of any of the parties involved, to date, because whatever these tests revealed they will not be used to prosecute, but may have been useful in determining some critical information to help LE know better what direction to take as they prepared to investigate Tori's abduction further.

May Tori be found alive and well today!:wub:

n/t

05-03-2009, 09:02 PM

Skraps

05-03-2009, 10:50 PM

Wow:ohmy:
I hope they question this woman even if it's just to rule her out. Who is she?:scared:

Reading through several of the missing children bulletins at that crimes website it is apparent that almost 100 percent of the children è bulletins that I read è were abducted by a parent.

Comforts me somewhat .. or not. :sad:

Hope4Tori

05-03-2009, 10:53 PM

Just wondering if anyone has seen this yet?
http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Who-Are-You-.html&Itemid=9

here she is on video.. at 4 seconds in
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/missing-ont-girl/#clip164457

Hey Bkqueen: I saw the website link with photo and comments - but I couldn't get the video link to work for me (it's just my computer) so I don't know if it shows the same person in both links - but thanks for the info!!

I think the woman in the photo bears an uncanny resemblance to the sketch - and I do hope she has been located by LE and questioned - but, I wonder, as I posted here before, if the sketch was based on an eyewitness account and if that account is credible, why could that person not confirm that Tara or this mystery person in the sketch - or any other person's LE may know about - is or is not the culprit they witnessed leading Tori away? Does that make sense only to me?

That photo - even if it is not the suspect - reminds me how important it is to keep an open mind.

Thanks again for giving us a new bit of info to consider!:smile:

Hoping for great news about Tori - soon would be good!:wub:

aproudmom

05-03-2009, 11:44 PM

aproudmom

05-03-2009, 11:49 PM

Hey Bkqueen: I saw the website link with photo and comments - but I couldn't get the video link to work for me (it's just my computer) so I don't know if it shows the same person in both links - but thanks for the info!!

I think the woman in the photo bears an uncanny resemblance to the sketch - and I do hope she has been located by LE and questioned - but, I wonder, as I posted here before, if the sketch was based on an eyewitness account and if that account is credible, why could that person not confirm that Tara or this mystery person in the sketch - or any other person's LE may know about - is or is not the culprit they witnessed leading Tori away? Does that make sense only to me?

That photo - even if it is not the suspect - reminds me how important it is to keep an open mind.

Thanks again for giving us a new bit of info to consider!:smile:

Hoping for great news about Tori - soon would be good!:wub:

IMO that sketch is about the best one I have ever seen that is why I am so shocked no one has noticed who it could be so I see where you are coming from...I am just sick of all these kids just going missing in broad daylight and no one is caught or no one sees anything strange...very scary these days