Wed, April 29

[Lovethechild]

Please let Haleigh come home today!

[rosieposett]

Good Morning and thanks for the new thread. Hopefully today will have good news about Haleigh.

I am anxious to hear further about NayNay and Amber and Cobra. And the task force meeting with Ron and atty. And of course, Misti's new lawyer, if that is in fact true. Going off to read more now. BBL

[iluvmua]

Do you think NayNay would know if Ron or Misty were involved in Haleigh's vanishing?

[panache]

No Arrests In Haleigh's Disappearance.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/29/news/news01.txt

[?noanswer]

No Arrests In Haleigh's Disappearance.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/29/news/news01.txt


Seems TJH and Cobra may have been doing a little exaggeration about the importance of NN and AB to the case. Reading between the lines, sounds like LE might be getting tired of their interference. JMO

[panache]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/28/ijvm.01.html

Jane's Transcript Last Night.

[panache]

Seems TJH and Cobra may have been doing a little exaggeration about the importance of NN and AB to the case. Reading between the lines, sounds like LE might be getting tired of their interference. JMO

Possibly.But at least their *interference* is causing some response from LE and I'm all for that! Whatever it takes to get LE to pay more attention to Haleigh's disappearance is fine with me. If it weren't for Cobra,AH, etc., IMO, LE would have let sleeping dogs lie.

moo

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Thank you for those links Pan.
I believe LE, among others, thought misty may have confided in nay nay about certain things......

Wonder if ronald and his lawyer will have that meet and greet with law enforcement today? Perhaps LE want to chat about reports he doles out pills from his pockets?

[titanfan217]

Good morning, everyone.

Hope DCFS is paying attention too. IF RC keeps pills in his pocket, he may very well have them other places not away from children.

To be fair, I hope CS keeps her hatchet away from children.

Out of here for the day soon and hope there will be some hot news when I return this evening.

For those who enjoy good barbecue I'll have a bite of a super one for you this afternoon.

[Motomom]

Seems TJH and Cobra may have been doing a little exaggeration about the importance of NN and AB to the case. Reading between the lines, sounds like LE might be getting tired of their interference. JMO

I read it the same way. What a shame on all counts. Interesting that they've questioned Ron and Misty repeatedly, and LE won't rule Misty out as a suspect.

I wonder when the next show for Cobra online is scheduled :sneaky:

In the end, Haleigh still goes missing and LE need to get to the bottom of it.

Morning all..

[2boysMom]

I just read the JVM transcript. This is the first time I've ever agreed with Jane Weintraub. I usually can't stand her.

[Pat]

I just read the JVM transcript. This is the first time I've ever agreed with Jane Weintraub. I usually can't stand her.

I've seen her express these exact same sentiments on the Haleigh case before. She feels all the bottom feeders out for their 15-mins should just go home and let LE get on with their investigation without all the distractions.

It is the first time I've seen common sense from Jane! :laugh:

For all the claims that Cobra/Picazio/JT Hart/Harris are "helping", I've seen absolutely nothing but gossip from these people...Haleigh is still missing and all they've done is create drama. Nothing more.

[?noanswer]

It seems to me all Cobra, AH, and TJ need to quit playing games and if they really want to do something, start searching for Haleigh. That was what they said they wanted to do. LE can handle the rest.

I think LE told Cobra not to search. If so, they should go back where they came from and leave the investigation to LE. JMO

[Mimi428]

It seems to me all Cobra, AH, and TJ need to quit playing games and if they really want to do something, start searching for Haleigh. That was what they said they wanted to do. LE can handle the rest.

At what specific location do you think they should begin? Where should they set their feet down & in which (of 360 degrees) direction should they go from there? Theorize, speculate - if you were there, where would you start from & which direction would you go?

[Pat]

Weintraub is a paid contrariety whose only purpose is to give the appearance of a fair and balanced panel.

She claims there's no evidence against Casey Anthony either. :rolleyes:

MO

She's usually all about an extreme pro-defense position. This time she's not commenting on the "defense" or "prosecution", but what she feels would be in the best interest of conducting the actual investigation into what happened to Haleigh.

The 15-minute of fame group are nothing but a distraction for LE. Their "contributions" consist of rumor and gossip, and Cobra has already been warned about interfering in an official investigation.

I happen to agree with her, as do many others.

[?noanswer]

I never agree with her and what she said on JVM last night was no exception.


I usually don't agree with her thoughts or the way she presents them, but last night her thoughts were like mine; therefore I agree with what she said. JM

[seeker]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/28/ijvm.01.html

Jane's Transcript Last Night.
Regarding parts of the show:

I find it curious why, when reporting that Ron and his attorneys are being called in to meet with the task force investigating Haleigh's disappearance, it is not acknowledged that they may want to speak to Ron about Ron.

It is speculated, on the show, that they may want to see Ron to talk to him about Misty's inconsistencies. Well, to me that doesn't make sense, as Ron's attorneys have made it clear from the beginning that they represent Ron only, and not his wife, Misty.

It is then speculated that they would maybe want to talk to Ron about Misty's friends, the ones she hung out with before Haleigh's disappearance.

Near the beginning of the show, Jane says:

"It is easy to make claims about people, and Ron has been through hell. I mean, everybody`s coming out of the woodwork. Every time he`s had a phone conversation with anybody, suddenly it becomes newsworthy."

What is she talking about here? "Every time he's had a phone conversation with anybody, suddenly it becomes newsworthy"? I'm questioning the "every time."

These are just some questions I have. These are my own personal thoughts and opinions, and are in no way meant to criticize, only to ponder their significance.

my opinions

[Texas48]

I think we just found out why Cobra split town so suddenly awhile back. It looks like he crossed the line.


Staubs, 51, who calls himself "Cobra," has been accused of illegally detaining a Putnam County man who was free on bail on a sex abuse charge.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/29/news/news01.txt


Police ruled Snodgrass out through his ankle bracelet. Sounds to me like Cobra is trying to use intimidation on people.Not good news for Cobra and his big gun and big talk. IMO LE has their hands more than full. I can only quess what LE would like to do with these ppl that have put themselves right in the middle of an ongoing investigation.

[seeker]

let me see, either whip her OR put in a movie for her......Misty apparently made the right decision the night of the phone call and chose the movie, but apparently made the wrong decision and chose the whipping the night Haleigh went missing? IMO only. Whipping, movie, whipping, movie......I would chose the movie every time, far less stress on everyone involved. Should have been an easy choice for someone so experienced in caring for kids, and loving those two like she did, I don't know why whipping would have even been an option.

She needs to fess up, and tell everyone where she hid Haleigh, IMO

<my bolding>

madamex, this is a strong statement: May I ask two questions?

What do you believe Misty should confess to?

Why do you believe that Misty has hidden Haleigh?

Your answers would be interesting and appreciated. my opinion

[Mimi428]

I'm not bully but I'll answer. Any wooded area within 5 miles of the home as well as along both sides of the river bank for atleast 2 miles in both directions would be good places to start.

Sounds like a plan to me. How much time would you guess an area of that size could be covered by AH, TJH & Cobra? We already know that LE has indicated they will now only initiate searches based on credible tips, so I am only including the 3 that bullyjo indicates should be searching.

[seeker]

sorry I should have said she needs to fess up and tell them where she has hidden Haleigh's BODY. IMO.

Thanks for responding. What I'm asking, if you want to elaborate:

Do you believe that Misty alone is involved in Haleigh's disappearance, that Misty alone harmed Haleigh, and that she then hid Haleigh's deceased body, alone?

Not sure I know what you're thinking and am curious.

Thanks in advance, if you choose to answer.

(my thoughts and opinions) .

[seeker]

Isn't this co worker the same person who said Misy was crying? I wonder how he saw that??

Anyway, its hear say, IMO. Unlike putting words out for the world to see, Chloe and the other 2 brats, in so many words or less.

Bullyjo, what about Ron's side of the phone conversation?

(I realize we don't know if this man's claims are true yet).

If true, what seems more important than whether or not Misty was upset on the other end, the witness heard Ron's response, which was a call to violence upon his own, young, frail daughter. Since this witness was right there, it's possible that Ron shared with him that his girlfriend was crying and having trouble with his daughter.

All my own speculation, based on the written reports that have thus far emerged. For me, it's not that difficult to believe that Ron said this, his own family members have admitted they believe in corporal, old school discipline.

Just my thoughts and opinions.

[seeker]

Seeker, originally I thought Ron was also involved, and I have posted many theories as to what might have happened, IMO, they have involved many people. But when it comes right down to it, my gut, or hinky meter, tells me that Misty alone is responsible. She was probably overwhelmed and exhausted that night, and I believe (because of personal experiences) that she was very jealous of little Haleigh. I don't believe she exactly planned it, I believe it was an accident. I believe she was hidden in the wall by the water heater, then taken out the door and transported in the van to the dumpster and then later maybe moved, or even moved out of the dumpster right away because she realized it would be searched quickly.
Thank you for responding and spelling out what you believe happened.

[5boxersmom]

Seeker, originally I thought Ron was also involved, and I have posted many theories as to what might have happened, IMO, they have involved many people. But when it comes right down to it, my gut, or hinky meter, tells me that Misty alone is responsible. She was probably overwhelmed and exhausted that night, and I believe (because of personal experiences) that she was very jealous of little Haleigh. I don't believe she exactly planned it, I believe it was an accident. I believe she was hidden in the wall by the water heater, then taken out the door and transported in the van to the dumpster and then later maybe moved, or even moved out of the dumpster right away because she realized it would be searched quickly.

Checking for news on Haleigh. I wanted to ask you about the wall by the water heater. I did see a picture of the laundry room and a square was taken out on the left side looking at the outside door. Is that what you are talking about? It was not big enough for a body I don't think and wouldn't that wall just go straight into the master bath? :confused:

I am curious about your theory. Very interesting.

tia

[5boxersmom]

New (I think) theory for shooting holes in.

Nay nay and the other girl (melissa?) make sure Misty is at the party Monday night, after the kids are in bed, and ensure she is pretty much out of it. One of them calls Crystal around 10:30, her and Chad boot it down to Patsuma, pick up Haleigh (I know, why not Jr. too - maybe makes it too obvious), boot back by 2am, Crystal gets the call at home after 3. Misty gets home before Ron is to get there, Haleigh missing, all heck breaks loose.

Just thinkin'

That is similiar to one of my theories also. I think the two girls might have taken Haleigh for revenge against Ron and Amber.

My other theory is Misty did something to Haleigh and had help getting rid of the body. Someone like her brother.

imo

[Texas48]

I know thats what you meant. Squirrels? Casey will take care of them for ya. :tonguewag:lol..brings back memories..two(2) dead crawling squirrels If memory is correct..lol

[Texas48]

As I have before, anything is a possibility. As for the convo being overheard, its still hearsay unless Ron admits to it to LE.its always the embelished parts of a person repeating something...*in tears* I believe was the wording..but thats just hman nature I quess.

[dustyk]

I agree completely. I know 15-17 yr olds who are extremely responsible, and many over 30's who should not have kids. Now that I think about it, I know some 10 yr olds who are more responsible than a lot of this bunch! :rolleyes:
sadly now that we know more about Misty and her friends and their activities, Most would never allow any of them in their house much less babysit their children, Surely Ronald knew about this and still he trusted her to take care of Haliegh and Jr. Then he decides to marry her after her weekend with Nay Nay and Greg. Either he lives this lifestyle too or she knows something about him that made him marry her. IMO

[seeker]

I certainly could have missed it, but I have not seen where it was written how long Ron was supposed to stay with those living arrangements?

Maybe it is more about the"spirit" of what he was saying; that responsible people would be taking care of the children while he worked.

As far as for "how long," I would think that the judge expected that as long as Haleigh and Little Ron were minors, under the primary care of their father, he would be providing safe and responsible care while at work. It could also have been discussed, or intimated by the family, that the adult women would always be the ones caring for the children while Ron was at work.

Just my thoughts about this.

[LILMANMAX]

I may be wrong here but I do not think Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction, etc. She did use poor judgement which everyone does from time to time regardless of your age.

I am leaning more towards this Amber & Renee nut cases. They seem to have a hard drug problem. JMO

And yes Misty did have help with the children. Maybe Ron made an off-hand remark after speaking with Misty. Who has not been in a conversation with someone at home and then made a flip remark afterwards? I sure have.

KP & Cobra have thrown this entire investigation off track. Crystal started the nonsense. Maybe out of guilt over how she has treated her children. :confused:

JMO so don't bash me for it. Everyone has one. :wink:

[baby4brennn]

I seen that video today of Crytal being interviewed sitting there on the couch and i felt bad for her. She said she was still waiting. I like Cobra, hes supposed to be a good PI. If he is doing the job then who cares if you guys think bad ab out him. He might be the one to find out where she went!
:ohmy:

[Peaches]

17 Year old females baby-sit all over the USA every day.
Why should Misty be any different?

T. Neves from her own mouth..... not gossip....helped out where she could. (Dr. appointments, laundry etc)
Ron said in court he would have her help and apparently that is so.

That Misty (as you say) "clearly had no control" is clearly gossip until confirmation.
Spreading the gossip doesn't make it fact.

Yes they married. Poor decision making IMO, but not criminal.




Kathy, you are correct. Many teenagers baby-sit to earn their spending money. And, I think most are very responsible.

Personally, I do not think that Ron hurt his child. I am praying that Misty did nothing to hurt her too.

Also, my hope is LE is correct in that Haleigh is alive.

[Peaches]

I agree completely. I know 15-17 yr olds who are extremely responsible, and many over 30's who should not have kids. Now that I think about it, I know some 10 yr olds who are more responsible than a lot of this bunch! :rolleyes:


lizziegirl, I think you have it correc..............some 10 year olds are more responsible than many connected to Haleigh! Excellent post.:thumbup:

[seeker]

I may be wrong here but I do not think Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction, etc. She did use poor judgement which everyone does from time to time regardless of your age.

I am leaning more towards this Amber & Renee nut cases. They seem to have a hard drug problem. JMO

And yes Misty did have help with the children. Maybe Ron made an off-hand remark after speaking with Misty. Who has not been in a conversation with someone at home and then made a flip remark afterwards? I sure have.

KP & Cobra have thrown this entire investigation off track. Crystal started the nonsense. Maybe out of guilt over how she has treated her children. :confused:

JMO so don't bash me for it. Everyone has one. :wink:

Lilmanmax,

Not wanting to "start" anything here, just asking for your thoughts:

What nonsense has "Crystal started"?

For me, anyway, it wasn't just, or even mainly, Ron's "off-hand" remark concerning Misty, but his homicidal threats after allegedly just finding out his daughter was gone. First threat of death was made while speaking with the 911 dispatch operator and the second to the responding officer a couple of moments later.

These statements, along with all that has come after, cause me grave concern regarding Ronald Cummings.

these are my thoughts and opinions

[Scampi]

Bullyjo, what about Ron's side of the phone conversation?

(I realize we don't know if this man's claims are true yet).

If true, what seems more important than whether or not Misty was upset on the other end, the witness heard Ron's response, which was a call to violence upon his own, young, frail daughter. Since this witness was right there, it's possible that Ron shared with him that his girlfriend was crying and having trouble with his daughter.

All my own speculation, based on the written reports that have thus far emerged. For me, it's not that difficult to believe that Ron said this, his own family members have admitted they believe in corporal, old school discipline.

Just my thoughts and opinions.



Hiya Seek! I agree with you and would add that hearsay doesn't even begin to matter in this stage of the investigation. LE love to gather as much information, from as many people as possible in order to sort and evaluate it. Hearsay comes into play in the courtroom. In the meantime, every little piece of information provided by ronald's family, friends, coworkers and even enemies is important and LE will follow up on it, imo.

[Peaches]

sadly now that we know more about Misty and her friends and their activities, Most would never allow any of them in their house much less babysit their children, Surely Ronald knew about this and still he trusted her to take care of Haliegh and Jr. Then he decides to marry her after her weekend with Nay Nay and Greg. Either he lives this lifestyle too or she knows something about him that made him marry her. IMO


Many men and women marry, thinking that they can change the other.

MOO

[5boxersmom]

Maybe that's the way things are done in Satsuma, but where I come from, most parents are extremely leary about anyone watching their kids unless a background check has been done. If people in this area want a teenager to babysit, they make sure they've gone through the babysitting course and that the babysitter has good grades and no drug history, not into trouble. How Ron could justify in his mind that a druggy 16/17 year old, high school dropout who drove without a license (most likely) and had a history of problems behind her, is beyond me.

On a separate note, what the heck is Cobra talking about? He needs to skirt his butt out of Satsuma and do whatever it is he does. I watched that tape and the filthy house he talks about, doesn't look too filthy to me. The outside of the house looks somewhat well kept, not saying it's going to be on the cover of Homes & Gardens, but it didn't look like the slumhole he made it out to be, did it? Also, NN had her hair brushed and up in a ponytail and was dressed somewhat decently, was she really up to no good? I'm still ticked at how that whole circus show went down.

moo

I agree about Cobra. He hasn't really found anything to do with Haleigh and he has been there how long? I did see him asking for donations on AH's site.

Did anyone ever find out if Amber is Crystal's cousin?

tia

[dustyk]

Many men and women marry, thinking that they can change the other.

MOO
Don't think neither one wants to change, Hank Croslin said Ronald had pills in his top pocket. I don't know about anybody else but you would think that if someone is in enough pain that it requires meds you sure don't get on a horse like he was.

[LILMANMAX]

Lilmanmax,

Not wanting to "start" anything here, just asking for your thoughts:

What nonsense has "Crystal started"?

For me, anyway, it wasn't just, or even mainly, Ron's "off-hand" remark concerning Misty, but his homicidal threats after allegedly just finding out his daughter was gone. First threat of death was made while speaking with the 911 dispatch operator and the second to the responding officer a couple of moments later.

These statements, along with all that has come after, cause me grave concern regarding Ronald Cummings.

these are my thoughts and opinions




She first paraded JR on Geraldo show. Dumb move IMO. If the little boy saw anything the last place he needed to be was on TV talking about it. :rolleyes: Puts him in danger and was just plain wrong. JMO

And you better believe if I ever had to make a 911 call like Ron I would be spewing more than he did. I would have been gravely concerned had he not said that. And no I do not live their lifestyle but I can certainly appreciate the raw emotion of a situation like that. JMO

Not trying to start anything either. JMO

[seeker]

It should have been in the order if that was the case. Children are too important to rely on unspoken expectations. IMO
I agree with that. But everything that goes on in a custody hearing is taking place in a Court of Law. Everybody's statements are to be considered truthful, and if it isn't stated on paper, it was stated as fact and had bearing on Ronald gaining custody. The judge and the court expect that all that is taking place in a hearing or trial is to be carried through.I do not believe that these were "unspoken expectations", unless I'm not understanding what you mean.

(It's been a long while since I've read all that we can see online about their custody hearings).

my thoughts about this and my opinions

[seeker]

Hiya Seek! I agree with you and would add that hearsay doesn't even begin to matter in this stage of the investigation. LE love to gather as much information, from as many people as possible in order to sort and evaluate it. Hearsay comes into play in the courtroom. In the meantime, every little piece of information provided by ronald's family, friends, coworkers and even enemies is important and LE will follow up on it, imo.

Hi, back! I had forgotten about the "hearsay" thing. If we went down that road, it would be "hearsay" that Ron was at work all night or that Misty was the last one to see Haleigh alive. It would be "hearsay" that GGM Sykes saw Haleigh at seven o'clock in the evening of February 9, 2009.

They (Law enforcement, DCFS, FBI, and whoever else has been gathering information) more than likely have a pretty clear idea of what has happened to Haleigh, and how it happened, and who "did it."

We have no right to know all that they know, and if I understand this correctly, they are under no obligation to tell us, or anyone they are interviewing or being interviewed by, the truth.

my thoughts and opinions.

[Scampi]

She first paraded JR on Geraldo show. Dumb move IMO. If the little boy saw anything the last place he needed to be was on TV talking about it. :rolleyes: Puts him in danger and was just plain wrong. JMO

And you better believe if I ever had to make a 911 call like Ron I would be spewing more than he did. I would have been gravely concerned had he not said that. And no I do not live their lifestyle but I can certainly appreciate the raw emotion of a situation like that. JMO

Not trying to start anything either. JMO


I think it's helpful when asking for 911's help, to not curse them out or hang up on them, as ronald did. IMO, all the actions of ronald and misty were staged that night.

[cat3]

I was just reading the comment section at AH....yeah....I know what was I thinking,anyway, one person made an interesting comment.It's under the story about Ron trying to kill Hank and is comment number 192 from Becca.She also asked an interesting question right below that on post 193
Not sure if there is any truth to it so I didn't post it here.IMO

[Scampi]

Hi, back! I had forgotten about the "hearsay" thing. If we went down that road, it would be "hearsay" that Ron was at work all night or that Misty was the last one to see Haleigh alive. It would be "hearsay" that GGM Sykes saw Haleigh at seven o'clock in the evening of February 9, 2009.

They (Law enforcement, DCFS, FBI, and whoever else has been gathering information) more than likely have a pretty clear idea of what has happened to Haleigh, and how it happened, and who "did it."

We have no right to know all that they know, and if I understand this correctly, they are under no obligation to tell us, or anyone they are interviewing or being interviewed by, the truth.

my thoughts and opinions.



Excellent points about what can be construed as "hearsay." You are right, we know what LE wants us to know. LE can and do mislead the families and public if it will aid them in their search for the truth. imo. I hope LE has surveillance in this operation.

[CANDYKISSES]

As I recall, Ron was specifically asked who would be watching the children while he was at work and he said his mother, grandmother and aunt.

As it turns out he opted to use live-in teenage girlfriends, first Amber, then Misty to watch his children.

If Misty had control she wouldn't have called him at work because Haleigh "was giving her fits."

As for gossip, nothing has been confirmed in this case aside from the fact that Haleigh went missing while in the care of Misty.

Furthermore, I'm not "spreading the gossip" anymore than anyone else here. I provided links to everything I posted. Whether you choose to believe the articles is your business and of no consequence to me.

IF IT WAS A CONDITION, there would have been an ORDER with very SPECIFIC TERMS. JMO.

[seeker]

She first paraded JR on Geraldo show. Dumb move IMO. If the little boy saw anything the last place he needed to be was on TV talking about it. :rolleyes: Puts him in danger and was just plain wrong. JMO

And you better believe if I ever had to make a 911 call like Ron I would be spewing more than he did. I would have been gravely concerned had he not said that. And no I do not live their lifestyle but I can certainly appreciate the raw emotion of a situation like that. JMO

Not trying to start anything either. JMO


I am so glad neither of us wants to start anything. I appreciate your responding to my questions. my thoughts

[Lovethechild]

IMO, This pill thing with HC and RC is must ado about nothing. Many families will share meds with one another if money is tight. I don't see how giving him a pill he asked for is trying to "kill him". IDK. "Pill-Gate"

[dustyk]

IF IT WAS A CONDITION, there would have been an ORDER with very SPECIFIC TERMS. JMO.
That is what the transcript is for, I would assume KP will have that handy this go round. JMO

[cat3]

Good morning everyone. Thank you for those links Pan.
I believe LE, among others, thought misty may have confided in nay nay about certain things......

Wonder if ronald and his lawyer will have that meet and greet with law enforcement today? Perhaps LE want to chat about reports he doles out pills from his pockets?

I thought the meeting with LE was last night? Maybe I read it wrong.IMO

[seeker]

Sorry seeker, but that sounds more like wishful thinking. I would hope most parents would at least try to do the best they can, and sometimes that doesn't live up to other peoples standards. Meaning, we all would like to dream about the 2 parent families, the white picket fence, and all the happines that goes along with it. But its not reality.

I don't even believe the judge would expect or demand that Ron or anyone else to go along with your comment, as long as they were minors. People move on from one circumstance to another.
jmo
No offense, bullyjo, but that is not what I was saying. I was talking about facts in a court of law, that's all. Nothing more or less than that.

these are my opinions and thoughts

[dustyk]

No offense, bullyjo, but that is not what I was saying. I was talking about facts in a court of law, that's all. Nothing more or less than that.

these are my opinions and thoughts
It seems like this time if they have the same judge as last time after all that has happened the judge will see he was played at the last hearing, they usually frown on that.jmo

[seeker]

Unfortunately, everybody's statements cannot always be considered truthful in a court of law. If I am arrested on a drug trafficking charge, and I promise to go to Fred's bar and trust company while on bail, if it is not a written condition of my bail I can still go there without fear of arrest.

I really don't know how to respond to that. I'm confused by what you're saying and don't see how it compares to a hearing for custody of two young children.

Since when does what we tell a judge we will be doing not matter?

What I mean is WE ARE EXPECTED TO TELL THE TRUTH IN A COURT OF LAW. (not yelling, just 'xplanin').

my opinions

[dustyk]

so do you think everything happen before Ron went to work?
why would you ask that? There are many scenarios that could have happened, including after he went to work. He had to have been a great actor though if it were staged on his part, and I don't think an actor he is. You could hear the frustration in his voice when asked questions, it was obvious he wanted someone to get there. IMO

[seeker]

It seems like this time if they have the same judge as last time after all that has happened the judge will see he was played at the last hearing, they usually frown on that.jmo

Yes. Thank goodness for court transcripts.

[Texas48]

Seeker, originally I thought Ron was also involved, and I have posted many theories as to what might have happened, IMO, they have involved many people. But when it comes right down to it, my gut, or hinky meter, tells me that Misty alone is responsible. She was probably overwhelmed and exhausted that night, and I believe (because of personal experiences) that she was very jealous of little Haleigh. I don't believe she exactly planned it, I believe it was an accident. I believe she was hidden in the wall by the water heater, then taken out the door and transported in the van to the dumpster and then later maybe moved, or even moved out of the dumpster right away because she realized it would be searched quickly.good thoughts and theroies X..I have said I also believed an accident could have happened between Haleigh and Misty and maybe tempers got out of control and Haleigh ended up dead..Wouldn't take much for a fall and her head striking an object to kill her..then Misty had to make some serious choices..call 911 for FA or dispose of her little body. Now that I actually putting my thoughts down as words I am thinking IF that was what happened..why not call for help...IF there was an accident then why hide the body and claim she was taken..thinking Ron would blame her..he was blaming her anyway..An accident is just that. back to original thoughts..so Misty is running around finding a hiding place...ok..why not under the bed..why in a wall by water heater..then after Jr goes to sleep she takes her to dumpster and then removes her from there and takes her else where..IF..she put her in dumpster that means she has to climb back in (some are pretty tall) and get her out. Takes another cinder block..weights her down..and throws her in the river. Then I wounder IF..Misty can think that fast..or would she just panic and run around in a circle till Ron got home..??? What we do know is..LE took a piece of the wall..they took the door..all the blanket washing..the van..cousin Joe....I know this much..We could take all these thoughts and opinions and senerios and compose an excellent mystery book. ALL these words of mine are just MO.

[seeker]

My bold.

I didn't know hearsay is allowed in court without some kind of proof. But very well could be. I am not a judge or lawyer.

I don't think that is what Scamp is saying. A Court of Law is where the decisions are made regarding hearsay and it's admissibility.

my thoughts.

[Texas48]

As I have before, anything is a possibility. As for the convo being overheard, its still hearsay unless Ron admits to it to LE.is that anything like...He said/She said..

[Texas48]

Good thinkin lizzie. As good as anyone else's.I agree with you and lizzie..Thinking is about all we have right about now..Maybe..just maybe something will be released late today or tomorrow about Ron's meeting.

[Texas48]

As I recall, Ron was specifically asked who would be watching the children while he was at work and he said his mother, grandmother and aunt.

As it turns out he opted to use live-in teenage girlfriends, first Amber, then Misty to watch his children.

If Misty had control she wouldn't have called him at work because Haleigh "was giving her fits."

As for gossip, nothing has been confirmed in this case aside from the fact that Haleigh went missing while in the care of Misty.

Furthermore, I'm not "spreading the gossip" anymore than anyone else here. I provided links to everything I posted. Whether you choose to believe the articles is your business and of no consequence to me.Did Amber move in with Ron and watch the kids prior to Misty moving in and watching them? I am getting all these girls mixed up and confusing the heck out of me..I know Amber was a GF..I have to go back and check the links cause I am missing something..Does anyone know exactly when Misty "moved in"?

[dustyk]

IMO, Crystal did not have to go along with bashing.
I hope she uses everything possible to get her children away from there. IMO

[Texas48]

sadly now that we know more about Misty and her friends and their activities, Most would never allow any of them in their house much less babysit their children, Surely Ronald knew about this and still he trusted her to take care of Haliegh and Jr. Then he decides to marry her after her weekend with Nay Nay and Greg. Either he lives this lifestyle too or she knows something about him that made him marry her. IMO
ONLY going by the picture of Ron on one knee when he proposed to Misty..his facial expressions did not look like someone was holding a gun to his head..Just MO but he looked rather happy..soooooooo..maybe he likes the lifestyle whatever that may be. I don't know and thats a fact..These ppl may go through the rest of their lives with NO ONE being able of figureing them out. what a mess.

[Texas48]

I may be wrong here but I do not think Misty had anything to do with Haleigh's abduction, etc. She did use poor judgement which everyone does from time to time regardless of your age.

I am leaning more towards this Amber & Renee nut cases. They seem to have a hard drug problem. JMO

And yes Misty did have help with the children. Maybe Ron made an off-hand remark after speaking with Misty. Who has not been in a conversation with someone at home and then made a flip remark afterwards? I sure have.

KP & Cobra have thrown this entire investigation off track. Crystal started the nonsense. Maybe out of guilt over how she has treated her children. :confused:

JMO so don't bash me for it. Everyone has one. :wink:NO bashing from this end..thats for sure and I hope no bashing at all..no matter what the beliefs are. I will say that you are right with your thoughts and feelings. The *girls* need help thats a given..poor judgement does NOT stop when one reaches a certain age..wish it did. Flip remarks..yea..been there done that. Crystal..I also believe she may carry guilt about the children and I believe she is seeing and living every minute with thoughts and regretts..it is sad that ALL of us cannot rewind/go back and un-do or change things in our lives..just doesnt work that way. I hope the best for her and she may not have an easy road ahead of her.

[seeker]

Allegedly.

Are all of his drug arrests, over the years, alleged? Not how the cases were handled; the original arrests?

Just asking what you think about that. To many, Ron's demeanor is that of someone who quite possibly does a variety of drugs.

my opinions

[seeker]

Just got e-mail.

From: dhall@kimballsniderlaw.com
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: Press Release Cummings
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:44:22 -0700

KIMBALL & SNIDER, P.A.

Greg Kimball, Attorney P.A. Mail All Correspondence to:

T. Jerry Snider, Attorney P.A. 626 Reid Street
Palatka, FL32177
Ph. (386) 328-1977
Fax. (386) 328-1974


PRESS RELEASE

April 29, 2009


RE: ALLEGATIONS ON ARTHARRIS.COM ABOUT HANK CROSLIN BEING GIVEN PILLS BY RONALD CUMMINGS


This office is in possession of an affidavit signed by Hank Croslin that states:


1. That his hospitalization from April 18, 2009 to April 29, 2009 was due solely to a misuse of prescription medication that Mr. Croslin obtained on his own.


2. That Mr. Croslin was not provided any drugs, pills or medications by Ronald Cummings.


3. That any statements made by Mr. Croslin that were reported to the police were done while he was under the influence of prescription medications and are false and Mr. Croslin disavows any such statements, as well as any statements that he was in anyway in fear of Ronald Cummings.


Greg Kimball T. Jerry Snider




Sounds interesting. Fear and intimidation rearing it's ugly head, in my opinion. Just my thoughts and just my opinion.

[seeker]

As of the past couple of hours, not only have the attorney's issued a new press release stating that, of course Hank Croslin never feared Ron and never received drugs from his son-in-law, they have also removed both teasers stating that soon Ron will be speaking out, via video.

I'm guessing they got Ron's father-in-law to sign an affidavit (sent out apparently by email) attesting to this before they went down and met with the police.

I fear for Misty, and anyone who speaks out about Ronald Cummings.

I want to state clearly that these are my thoughts and opinions only.

[calamitygirl]

NO bashing from this end..thats for sure and I hope no bashing at all..no matter what the beliefs are. I will say that you are right with your thoughts and feelings. The *girls* need help thats a given..poor judgement does NOT stop when one reaches a certain age..wish it did. Flip remarks..yea..been there done that. Crystal..I also believe she may carry guilt about the children and I believe she is seeing and living every minute with thoughts and regretts..it is sad that ALL of us cannot rewind/go back and un-do or change things in our lives..just doesnt work that way. I hope the best for her and she may not have an easy road ahead of her.

Nice post Texas48. I hope the best for all of them .

[Texas48]

Are all of his drug arrests, over the years, alleged? Not how the cases were handled; the original arrests?

Just asking what you think about that. To many, Ron's demeanor is that of someone who quite possibly does a variety of drugs.

my opinionsVery true about the drug charges..which one of us can absolutely say without a doubt..that ppl can NOT change? I also look at Ron's lifestyle and his demeanor and DO NOT like what I see or how these ppl live their lives day in and day out. .But I would not be one that can take a stand and because of anyone's past mistakes and say they cannot make a change for the better. Is one to carry around their mistakes with them for the remainder of time? Not in my world.

[?noanswer]

As of the past couple of hours, not only have the attorney's issued a new press release stating that, of course Hank Croslin never feared Ron and never received drugs from his son-in-law, they have also removed both teasers stating that soon Ron will be speaking out, via video.

I'm guessing they got Ron's father-in-law to sign an affidavit (sent out apparently by email) attesting to this before they went down and met with the police.

I fear for Misty, and anyone who speaks out about Ronald Cummings.

I want to state clearly that these are my thoughts and opinions only.

It's still scrolling on my link. JMO

[shellzbi]

I never have posted on this board but I'm reading everyone's great posts.

For the life of me I can't believe this little girl just went poof in Feb.

The newlyweds are they still together?

What do you think really happened to this little girl?

Thank You.

[LILMANMAX]

As of the past couple of hours, not only have the attorney's issued a new press release stating that, of course Hank Croslin never feared Ron and never received drugs from his son-in-law, they have also removed both teasers stating that soon Ron will be speaking out, via video.

I'm guessing they got Ron's father-in-law to sign an affidavit (sent out apparently by email) attesting to this before they went down and met with the police.

I fear for Misty, and anyone who speaks out about Ronald Cummings.

I want to state clearly that these are my thoughts and opinions only.

While Ron would never be my cup of tea on a bad/good day, I must say I never bought this Hank story for a minute.
I felt he was scrambling for cover. The man is supposedly taken to the ER due to supposed drug OD. You do not OD with 1 pill or even a small amount. I think its safe to say this group plays with drugs. All of them. Hank had probably been popping God knows what. The hospital ran a tox screen and no telling what they found. Oxy drugs are high on the radar now. The drug manufacturers are out of them. I cannot even get my 92 year old Aunt's prescriptions filled. Has been this way for several months now. I heard from some local medical professionals this is also a way for the government to get a handle on this OXY problem.

Ron is not the sharpest knive in the drawer but I do not believe he is running around town with pills in his shirt pocket and passing them around. Not with the investigation going on. JMO


I'm glad to read the press release from Ron's attorneys and I certainly do not think any of these people are afraid of each other. Might be better if they were.

[Texas48]

Tex, no one can tell how this marriage will work out. How many people think they have the greatest spouse only to find out later they were made a fool of.
Aint that the truth......:huh::unsure:

[seeker]

LOL so now you think this guys scared of Ron?

To me this is no laughing matter and it never has been.

Yes, in my opinion, there is definitely fear of Ronald Cummings by Misty and her family. Hank Croslin, Misty's father, re-canted his initial police report. He could have re-canted the drug part only, but he was very possibly coerced into recanting the fact that he is in fear of his son-in-law. This man must protect his daughter and his family, I believe. (No matter what opinions held about this family or any family in this saga, they are all human beings, including their failings).

I realize that we are all looking at this from our own lens. I don't even imagine I could change anyone's mind. I don't want or need to. All I hope for is that the people down there are safe from harm; mainly those so close to Haleigh Cummings.

As for me, I have little doubt about what is going on here, and it ain't good, in my very humble opinion.

[Peaches]

ONLY going by the picture of Ron on one knee when he proposed to Misty..his facial expressions did not look like someone was holding a gun to his head..Just MO but he looked rather happy..soooooooo..maybe he likes the lifestyle whatever that may be. I don't know and thats a fact..These ppl may go through the rest of their lives with NO ONE being able of figureing them out. what a mess.



Texas,

Not all families have the same life style. What makes one happy does not necessary mean that it will make the next one happy. What is important to you and me may not make the next person's top ten list.

This is what I tell my children all the time when they say, travel - see the world. I love home and being with my family. If I want to travel (distance), I just read a book and away I go.

JMO

[calamitygirl]

Very true about the drug charges..which one of us can absolutely say without a doubt..that ppl can NOT change? I also look at Ron's lifestyle and his demeanor and DO NOT like what I see or how these ppl live their lives day in and day out. .But I would not be one that can take a stand and because of anyone's past mistakes and say they cannot make a change for the better. Is one to carry around their mistakes with them for the remainder of time? Not in my world.

Not in my world at all. Talk about condemning someone forever.

[seeker]

I was responding to your statement "Ronald Cummings who also thinks he's above the law by "giving away" controlled substances." Were you not referring to the alleged give-away of a pill to Misty's father? If not, I apologise.

Lizziegirl, that was not a post by me. I am seeker. I don't mean to sound upset at you. We need to be careful who we ascribe posts to, as it can affect our standing here on the board.

Now I have to go back and read, but I don't want to argue with you, ok? I don't even know you and maybe we just might get along. I'd like that. Though you don't need to apologize, your offering an apology one means a lot. Thanks, seeker

oh, these are my opinions

[seeker]

You know seeker, as strong as I believe neither Ron, Misty or Crystal are responsible for what ever happened to Haleigh, there are some posters who just will never agree.

I respect your opinion and the rights we all have to express them here....and I always look forward to your slant on things that come out..

However...... IMO if the facts were engraved on a wooden paddle.....
and that paddle whacked all the Ron, Misty or Crystal bashers in the head with the truth....
some would still not give an inch.

MOO is that Mr Croslin changed what he said to LE about Ron and the drugs. So he retracted it. The attorney for Ron released the statement.

Any other 'spin' is open to speculation for sure...

YKWIM?

Thank you for your very kind post. It would be great to discuss things together. I can be pretty hard-headed and i don't like that about myself. It is troubling to me WHY Hank Croslin may have retracted his statement to police, that Ron and his attorneys were on it and had him sign an affidavit so quickly, but that's just me.

See you on the board...

my opinions

[calamitygirl]

To me this is no laughing matter and it never has been.Yes, in my opinion, there is definitely fear of Ronald Cummings by Misty and her family. Hank Croslin, Misty's father, re-canted his initial police report. He could have re-canted the drug part only, but he was very possibly coerced into recanting the fact that he is in fear of his son-in-law. This man must protect his daughter and his family, I believe. (No matter what opinions held about this family or any family in this saga, they are all human beings, including their failings).

I realize that we are all looking at this from our own lens. I don't even imagine I could change anyone's mind. I don't want or need to. All I hope for is that the people down there are safe from harm; mainly those so close to Haleigh Cummings.

As for me, I have little doubt about what is going on here, and it ain't good, in my very humble opinion.

Bolding to address this sentence.

You are correct. This is no laughing matter. But I do believe that some of the judgements passed are very off the wall, to put it nicely. You said "they are all human beings, including their failing". That doesn't seem to agree with the rest of the judgements made.
MVOP

[Texas48]

Texas,

Not all families have the same life style. What makes one happy does not necessary mean that it will make the next one happy. What is important to you and me may not make the next person's top ten list.

This is what I tell my children all the time when they say, travel - see the world. I love home and being with my family. If I want to travel (distance), I just read a book and away I go.

JMOhmmmmm..Calgon..I love that..one can go any where they want. hmmmmmmmand be at peace with ones self. Doesn't get better than that..:smile:

[Peaches]

LOL so now you think this guys scared of Ron?



Afraid of Ron? If Ron is "The Godfather" I see not evidence of it...:laugh:

There is no way that everyone is afraid of Ron. If this were true, Haleigh would be home..........jmo

[Peaches]

As of the past couple of hours, not only have the attorney's issued a new press release stating that, of course Hank Croslin never feared Ron and never received drugs from his son-in-law, they have also removed both teasers stating that soon Ron will be speaking out, via video.

I'm guessing they got Ron's father-in-law to sign an affidavit (sent out apparently by email) attesting to this before they went down and met with the police.

I fear for Misty, and anyone who speaks out about Ronald Cummings.

I want to state clearly that these are my thoughts and opinions only.


Where does Ron get this power?

[Martyp52]

Hi I am from Canada and I have been following this case every night on t.v. Could someone tell me if they got the dogs out the night she went missing? They could have followed a scent of her if she were taken in the night. Also, does anyone know anything about this cousin that was visiting Misty that evening and he had a history of child abuse? :unsure:

[seeker]

It's still scrolling on my link. JMO

Yup. You're right. Here on the west coast it's around 3:30 p.m. now. I went back to the FindHaleighNow website after reading you post just now. They are both back. Maybe as they posted the press release something was disabled with the website. Just a guess. I checked it twice before posting that they'd been removed.

Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for updating us, ?noanswer.

my opinions

[calamitygirl]

ohhhh no doubt. IMO some of the people that don't like RC are making him more powerful then he really is. I mean come on IF Misty was so scared of Ron why would she be out cheating on him?

My guess FA, because Misty nor Crystal were ever afraid of Ron. If I were to be afraid of anyone citizen there, it would be Crystals daddy.

[titanfan217]

Isn't this co worker the same person who said Misy was crying? I wonder how he saw that??

Anyway, its hear say, IMO. Unlike putting words out for the world to see, Chloe and the other 2 brats, in so many words or less.


Earlier this week, we were sitting in an ER waiting room, and heard every word some dude said on his phone and at least 90% of what the other party said and we were across the room.

[calamitygirl]

I have also been known to be somewhat :rolleyes: hardheaded.

I can also be rabid when I believe in someone....:blush: and tend to be a bit brutal expressing those feelings.

I think Mr Croslin may have simply sobered up and realizes he himself may be implicated in drug consumption. We really have no idea "why".

To the statement released form Ron's attorney...
Ron may well have given Hank 'a pill'. Not unusual in a lot of families...
Ron probably finds himself living on Valium and Zanies with a missing child on his mind and heart every waking moment so he probably had 'something'.

Could be Mr. Croslins words were taken out of context or not heard correctly.

[Texas48]

Bolding to address this sentence.

You are correct. This is no laughing matter. But I do believe that some of the judgements passed are very off the wall, to put it nicely. You said "they are all human beings, including their failing". That doesn't seem to agree with the rest of the judgements made.
MVOPhey calamity...ref. judgements..sad state of affairs that we as a society are quick to judge others..to mock their lifestyles. I can admit I am the most guilty when it comes to passing judgement on one's demeanor..it is *only one* of my biggest faughts. I have no clue as to what happened to Haleigh and have changed my opinion more than once. I try my darnest to listen to all opinions but when it really comes down to it..I don't know what happened. All I know is a little girl is gone. The one thing I did want to address is NO ONE believes this case is a laughing matter..and no one has treated it as such. all my opinions.

[Themis]

Hi I am from Canada and I have been following this case every night on t.v. Could someone tell me if they got the dogs out the night she went missing? They could have followed a scent of her if she were taken in the night. Also, does anyone know anything about this cousin that was visiting Misty that evening and he had a history of child abuse? :unsure:
Yes, Martyp52, tracking dogs were on the scene as of Tuesday, 2-10, the same day the 911 call was made at 3:27 a.m. Brief summary:

TUESDAY, FEB. 10

Child Abduction Response Team implemented by the state at 6 a.m. at Putnam County’s request.
An Amber Alert was issued statewide at 8 A.M.
Search continues through day with diving squads, ground searches, bloodhounds and helicopters.
[JMO * Themis]

[seeker]

Bolding to address this sentence.

You are correct. This is no laughing matter. But I do believe that some of the judgements passed are very off the wall, to put it nicely. You said "they are all human beings, including their failing". That doesn't seem to agree with the rest of the judgements made.
MVOP

This is a discussion board. If my opinions are "off the wall" all I can say is that I'm making observations and trying very hard not to be judgmental.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say to me but I'm here to listen.

my opinions

[?noanswer]

Yup. You're right. Here on the west coast it's around 3:30 p.m. now. I went back to the FindHaleighNow website after reading you post just now. They are both back. Maybe as they posted the press release something was disabled with the website. Just a guess. I checked it twice before posting that they'd been removed.

Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for updating us, ?noanswer.

my opinions



I can't find any recent press releases. The last one posted is 4-16. Also I only see the scroller on the home page. JMO

[Peaches]

The more i read about Crystals mom and dad the more i'm starting to become scared of them.


Why, FA. It seem that everyone else is afraid of Ron..............by what I have seen posted. moo:wink:

[Texas48]

ITA

I'm 4ft 11 ( with my shoes on ) and less then 100lbs but you can bet your bottom dollar if someone kidnapped my baby and i found them i would not stop until i found personal justice.


(( wow i sure did say a mouth full without getting myself banned there )) LOLbut it was a good mouth full FA..

[titanfan217]

Sounds interesting. Fear and intimidation rearing it's ugly head, in my opinion. Just my thoughts and just my opinion.


Looks like a case of CMA to me --- someone reminded daddy-in-law that he had asked/taken the pills.

No wonder some call him Teflon Ron.

[seeker]

Afraid of Ron? If Ron is "The Godfather" I see not evidence of it...:laugh:

There is no way that everyone is afraid of Ron. If this were true, Haleigh would be home..........jmo

What do you mean by the above bolded statements, if you don't mind explaining?

Thanks

[calamitygirl]

This is a discussion board. If my opinions are "off the wall" all I can say is that I'm making observations and trying very hard not to be judgmental.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say to me but I'm here to listen.

my opinions

Going by the comment "they are all human beings, including their failing" then reading some of the judgements made on people we do not know, just don't seem to go together. Not just talking about yours, but all the judgements against Haleighs families. It seems anymore people do not want proof of wrongdoings. Look at that person, they do drugs.
Check out that persons past, they'll never change. Its hard, its cold, and never forgiven.
MVOP

[Peaches]

What do you mean by the above bolded statements, if you don't mind explaining?

Thanks


What I mean is that if everyone was afraid of Ron they would not dare touch his child. You see, I do not think that Ron hurt his daughter.

jmo

[Themis]

Afternoon seeker, I am not peaches, but my interpretation of her statement is, if everyone was so afraid of Ron, no one would have went into his home an abducted his daughter. They would have been to afraid of Ron. MOO
I agree; if Ronald Cummings' reputation was that of such a bad guy ... such a tough dude ... someone you do NOT mess with, no one in Satsuma (probably even all of Putnam County) would have dared enter the Cummings home and kidnap one of his children. Even if his reputation was enhanced by whom he knew or was related to, the fear of violent reprisal would keep his children and girlfriend safe from harm.
And RC's girlfriend of the moment, Misty, would not have gone off (IF that is true) on a 3-day binge with girlfriends to party in such a big way that Misty hooked up with another guy. Misty would have feared what Ron would do to her physically.
Unless, of course, all or most of these people were so under the influence, so whacked out on drugs or alcohol, that their fear of this violent, powerful man did not matter.
But if they were so whacked out, how did they manage to kidnap Haleigh without leaving (as far as we know at the moment from L.E.) any forensic evidence. [JMO * Themis]

[Riverwalk!]

I'm listening to TJ Hart on JVM show. He's going on and on about the bad blood between Misti and Amber. Does he not know about Crystal Sheffield sister's battery on Amber? WTHeck she just battered her for no reason? :shrug:


UCN: 542007MM001481XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, SARA LEVON
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ FILED BY AMBER BROOKS 4-2-07
2007-04-03 1 BATTERY
2007-05-23 2 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2007-05-23 2 AMBER NICOLE BROOKS
2007-06-01 3 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

ETA: back out here

[Peaches]

Going by the comment "they are all human beings, including their failing" then reading some of the judgements made on people we do not know, just don't seem to go together. Not just talking about yours, but all the judgements against Haleighs families. It seems anymore people do not want proof of wrongdoings. Look at that person, they do drugs.
Check out that persons past, they'll never change. Its hard, its cold, and never forgiven.
MVOP


You are so correct...............and BTW, this is the only family that Haleigh has and I feel certain that she loves them and they love her.

jmo

[Peaches]

Afternoon seeker, I am not peaches, but my interpretation of her statement is, if everyone was so afraid of Ron, no one would have went into his home an abducted his daughter. They would have been to afraid of Ron. MOO


Thank you bam bam. That is exactly what I meant. I appreicate your help.

[Peaches]

I'm listening to TJ Hart on JVM show. He's going on and on about the bad blood between Misti and Amber. Does he not know about Crystal Sheffield sister's battery on Amber? WTHeck she just battered her for no reason? :shrug:


UCN: 542007MM001481XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, SARA LEVON
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ FILED BY AMBER BROOKS 4-2-07
2007-04-03 1 BATTERY
2007-05-23 2 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2007-05-23 2 AMBER NICOLE BROOKS
2007-06-01 3 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php



Riverwalk............After listening on the JVM show, I think TJHart has already made his mind up about who/what/when/where............and all of his answers are Ron/Ron/Ron/Ron...............I do not get it.

I do not believe for one minute that Ron did anything to his daughter. I believe that Ron loves his children.

This is just my very own opinion............could be wrong...........but I do not think so.

[Hannah21]

I agree; if Ronald Cummings' reputation was that of such a bad guy ... such a tough dude ... someone you do NOT mess with, no one in Satsuma (probably even all of Putnam County) would have dared enter the Cummings home and kidnap one of his children. Even if his reputation was enhanced by whom he knew or was related to, the fear of violent reprisal would keep his children and girlfriend safe from harm.
And RC's girlfriend of the moment, Misty, would not have gone off (IF that is true) on a 3-day binge with girlfriends to party in such a big way that Misty hooked up with another guy. Misty would have feared what Ron would do to her physically.
Unless, of course, all or most of these people were so under the influence, so whacked out on drugs or alcohol, that their fear of this violent, powerful man did not matter.
But if they were so whacked out, how did they manage to kidnap Haleigh without leaving (as far as we know at the moment from L.E.) any forensic evidence. [JMO * Themis]

Ronald Cummings does not look like a "tough dude" .

[Peaches]

Ronald Cummings does not look like a "tough dude" .

He does not to me either.

[Hannah21]

Riverwalk............After listening on the JVM show, I think TJHart has already made his mind up about who/what/when/where............and all of his answers are Ron/Ron/Ron/Ron...............I do not get it.

I do not believe for one minute that Ron did anything to his daughter. I believe that Ron loves his children.

This is just my very own opinion............could be wrong...........but I do not think so.

I watched JVM tonight and I did not get the impression that TJ was indicating Ron or anyone else.

[Themis]

I'm listening to TJ Hart on JVM show. He's going on and on about the bad blood between Misti and Amber. Does he not know about Crystal Sheffield sister's battery on Amber? WTHeck she just battered her for no reason? :shrug:


UCN: 542007MM001481XXAXMX
File Date: 2007-04-03 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:
Defendant
SHEFFIELD, SARA LEVON
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2007-04-03 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ FILED BY AMBER BROOKS 4-2-07
2007-04-03 1 BATTERY
2007-05-23 2 STATE ATTORNEY WITNESS SUBPOENA RETURNED SERVED:
2007-05-23 2 AMBER NICOLE BROOKS
2007-06-01 3 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO (ALL CTS)

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

ETA: back out here
Thank you, Riverwalk. I do not watch NG or JVM because they skip from one topic to another and back again throughout their shows.
It surely seems that the ever widening sphere of people surrounding Haleigh and Junior have bad blood and feuding central to their lifestyles. This feuding and lifestyle extends beyond the current generation -- back to the parents and even grandparents in some instances.
It just makes my heart hurt to think of all the children growing up in these homes, and I use the word 'homes' loosely. I envision them being shuttled back and forth, first staying with one relative, passed on to another as a result of custody hearings and on and on.
Sadly, Haleigh being the oldest (as far as I know) is of an age to not only observe but hear and perhaps repeat what she has seen and heard by the adults who float in and out of her life. Some of these same adults are those are supposed to be there to protect her and raise her in a safe and stable environment. Maybe she was targeted for that very reason. I surely hope I am wrong with that previous sentence.:sad: [JMO * Themis]

[seeker]

I can't find any recent press releases. The last one posted is 4-16. Also I only see the scroller on the home page. JMO

"Subject: Press Release Cummings
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:44:22 -0700

KIMBALL & SNIDER, P.A.

Greg Kimball, Attorney P.A. Mail All Correspondence to:

T. Jerry Snider, Attorney P.A. 626 Reid Street
Palatka, FL32177
Ph. (386) 328-1977
Fax. (386) 328-1974


PRESS RELEASE

April 29, 2009


RE: ALLEGATIONS ON ARTHARRIS.COM ABOUT HANK CROSLIN BEING GIVEN PILLS BY RONALD CUMMINGS"

(snipped from email posted by Kathy*Rae)

?noanswer,

The above is from the email Kathy*Rae posted earlier. I bolded the top where it states "Press Release Cummings." I foolishly assumed it was also posted on their website under the tab "Press Releases."

When I went to look at the site, after reading Kathy*Rae's post, the scrolling message was not there nor was the left-hand column announcement. Had I been thorough I would have clicked on the "press releases" tab and would have seen that they had not posted the press release there. I guess time will tell if they will post it, but they did send it out as a press release in a bulk email.

I hope this clears up any confusion and I again apologize for not checking the website for confirmation that today's press release was posted there.

my opinions

[Peaches]

You know what Grace? No one knows when their good luck will end. No one.

And I would like to say something else. To everyone. Some of us may have great lives, great spouses, great kids. And hopefully we will all be around to see great grandchildren, and great great granchildren. But speaking of luck, that could turn on any of our family members at any time. What then? With all the info thats out there, and our freedom to have opinions about that, how would any of us like it to be one of ours who are constantly trashed in our opinions? The world can find out every little dark secret in our lives. Some we might not even know about. Again, how would we feel if some of it was wrong. Said wrong, written wrong, seems wrong. Maybe even proven wrong. But to some, who cares, its not their life. They have a lucky life.
jmo


You are so correct.

Once rumors are aired/written, they are out there forever. Words can not be taken back. Thank you for this reminder, bullyjo!

[Hannah21]

IMO, some think Crystal and family can do no wrong. Wrong.

Crystal is not her sister's keeper nor is she responsible for what her sister does. Most people do not think the little spat Crystal's sister and Amber had is relevant to the case.

[?noanswer]

"Subject: Press Release Cummings
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:44:22 -0700

KIMBALL & SNIDER, P.A.

Greg Kimball, Attorney P.A. Mail All Correspondence to:

T. Jerry Snider, Attorney P.A. 626 Reid Street
Palatka, FL32177
Ph. (386) 328-1977
Fax. (386) 328-1974


PRESS RELEASE

April 29, 2009


RE: ALLEGATIONS ON ARTHARRIS.COM ABOUT HANK CROSLIN BEING GIVEN PILLS BY RONALD CUMMINGS"

(snipped from email posted by Kathy*Rae)

?noanswer,

The above is from the email Kathy*Rae posted earlier. I bolded the top where it states "Press Release Cummings." I foolishly assumed it was also posted on their website under the tab "Press Releases."

When I went to look at the site, after reading Kathy*Rae's post, the scrolling message was not there nor was the left-hand column announcement. Had I been thorough I would have clicked on the "press releases" tab and would have seen that they had not posted the press release there. I guess time will tell if they will post it, but they did send it out as a press release in a bulk email.

I hope this clears up any confusion and I again apologize for not checking the website for confirmation that today's press release was posted there.

my opinions



Thanks, I had heard mention of a press release a few days ago, but could not find one at the site. When KR posted that today, I wondered if it was a mass e-mailing. Wonder if he released it to any media. JMO

[?noanswer]

Crystal is not her sister's keeper nor is she responsible for what her sister does. Most people do not think the little spat Crystal's sister and Amber had is relevant to the case.


Until the mystery of what happened to Haleigh is solved, nothing can be discounted as being irrelevant. JMO

[Themis]

I have to say thank you Themis. Most posters agree and approve of your posts. And I agree with this one.
Thank you, BullyJo, for the kinds words; I appreciate them.:smile:

BTW, in a response to a couple of posters (up above) who said they do not think RC looks like a 'tough dude' I certainly have to agree with that.
On the other hand, an in-law relative was, indeed, one 'tough dude' -- a Green Beret who served in Viet Nam -- but who certainly did not look the part; i.e., Stalone-Rambo.

(RIP, Roland, a quiet and gentle man with a great sense of humor) [JMO * Themis]

[Hannah21]

But we have people believeing Rons whole family is involved in a coverup. I guess thats different because their Cummings.

Yes, it is different. Haleigh is missing from Ronald Cummings' home.

[Hannah21]

IMO Ron and his mother were the only people that Haleigh could count on.
Crystal showed me what kind of person she really was whe she moved that far from her child. All is jmo

They certainly failed her then because she is missing.

[Hannah21]

She may be missing from his home but he was not there at the time.
So how can you really blame this on Ron? jmo

I blame him because he left his children in the care of a teenager that had spent 3 days partying and was coming down off who knows what kind of drugs. IMO he failed to protect his children and because of that one of them is missing.

How many parents do you think would have left their child(ren) with a teenager that they knew had just been on a sex/drug binge for 3 days?

MOO

[seeker]

Afternoon seeker, I am not peaches, but my interpretation of her statement is, if everyone was so afraid of Ron, no one would have went into his home an abducted his daughter. They would have been to afraid of Ron. MOO

Thanks Bam Bam,

Because I don't believe that Haleigh was abducted, I wouldn't think that other people's possible fear of Ron Cummings played into Haleigh's disappearance. It (fear) may have something to do with not finding the truth of what happened to her, though. In one possible scenario, which I will leave unsaid, why else would Ron marry the very person who got his child "stole?"

These are my own opinions and thoughts. Thanks for answering

[Hannah21]

ITA just like Ron is not Misty's keeper and IMO doesn't know what goes on when he's not home.

That is no excuse. He should know. These are innocent children that depended on their daddy to keep them safe and take care of them.

[Hannah21]

:( did Mark Lunsford and his parents fail jessica?


IMO Haleigh's case and Jessica's are completely different.

[Hannah21]

How do you know Ron knew what Misty was doing behind his back?

News travels fast in small towns especially when it is dirty. How could he not know? And friends, like NayNay, Amber and WBG love to talk. I bet he knew by Saturday night what was going on. That is why he was calling her and told her to bring a condom.

MOO

[Texas48]

You know what Grace? No one knows when their good luck will end. No one.

And I would like to say something else. To everyone. Some of us may have great lives, great spouses, great kids. And hopefully we will all be around to see great grandchildren, and great great granchildren. But speaking of luck, that could turn on any of our family members at any time. What then? With all the info thats out there, and our freedom to have opinions about that, how would any of us like it to be one of ours who are constantly trashed in our opinions? The world can find out every little dark secret in our lives. Some we might not even know about. Again, how would we feel if some of it was wrong. Said wrong, written wrong, seems wrong. Maybe even proven wrong. But to some, who cares, its not their life. They have a lucky life.
jmoExcellent post and thoughts..a scary thought that one day it could be me or one of mine having their entire life..the good and the bad..layed out for the entire world to see and discuss..some believing and some not. We know Haleigh is gone..we just dont know where or how or by whom. We all have our opinions about who and maybe some about how. Makes me stop and think and be thankful it is not me having my life under a microscope. I hope I can keep an open mind and look at all the evidence and try and not judge on past records..past lifestyles. Maybe tomorrow will bring some news..it just does not seem possible for Haleigh never to be found. all my opinions

[Hannah21]

How so?.........

Jessica was kidnapped and buried alive if I remember correctly by a neighbor.

I don't think Haleigh was kidnapped by a neighbor.

JMO

[Hannah21]

Well if Ron and his family failed Haleigh no doubt Crystal and her family failed Haleigh.............MOO

She should have fought harder for her children. Most mother's would. The thing about Crystal that aggravates me is she is so passive. She needs to get tough and stay tough. Only the strong survive.

[Hannah21]

well we don't really know that yet do we? i'm starting to think Nay Nay, Amber or Crystals sister knows more then what they are saying. Time will tell.


and how will you feel if DCF comes out next week and says Ron did NOT abuse his children? What then?

I will think they failed too.

MOO

[Themis]

But we have people believeing Rons whole family is involved in a coverup. I guess thats different because their Cummings.
You make a good point, BullyJo.:thumbsup:

What is strange to me about Haleigh's unique disappearance is that when it comes to Ronald Cummings, we hear and know mainly his mother, Teresa Neves, and his grandmother, Annette Sykes. I have not read anything from RC's step-father and very little from his own father, Lester Jack Cummings.
Any friends, co-workers, former and current neighbors of Ronald's have maintained their silence, too -- neither friend nor foe. Most unusual.

Misty on the other hand, as young as she is, seems to have a wide circle of friends and acquaintances. Of those we have heard from and seen, (IF we can believe what is reported by the media) their choices as young adults put them smack in the middle of repeatedly skirting and violating laws that most of us abide by. The feuds some of which have resulted in violence remind me more of older children or young teens. They all need to go back to school; get their GED, learn a trade or sufficient skills and get jobs.

I have not taken sides in this case, be it for Ronald, Misty, or Crystal Sheffield. They have opened themselves up for criticism not only by me but from a large segment of society who see their historical actions as not those of mature and responsible adults who have chosen to be parents.

The saddest part to me is that so many of Misty's circle have chosen to have children...the most vulnerable people in our society. [JMO * Themis]

[seeker]

Going by the comment "they are all human beings, including their failing" then reading some of the judgements made on people we do not know, just don't seem to go together. Not just talking about yours, but all the judgements against Haleighs families. It seems anymore people do not want proof of wrongdoings. Look at that person, they do drugs.
Check out that persons past, they'll never change. Its hard, its cold, and never forgiven.
MVOP

I appreciate your responding, but I am still somewhat confused, I think. I do see that some of us here posting about Little Haleigh have some strong thoughts and opinions about what may have happened to her. Some of us also have strong feelings about different people who surround(ed) her. Many disagree, but that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone is being judgmental, to my way of thinking.

I can really appreciate what you are saying about words possibly sounding cold or hard, and even judgmental.

We are all people and we do have failings. All of us. That shouldn't stop us from being able to discuss our own ideas and even our beliefs, here on a message board.

It's a new experience, for me anyway. My intention is not to upset anyone or be judgmental. Take care.

my opinions

[Texas48]

Um, what does any of this have to do with what I said? :confused:

"His luck can't last forever." I can read where it was related..did not :confused:me.jmo

[Hannah21]

WOW....so no matter what you will always think Ron abused his children?

Absolutely. I think any form of hitting a child is abuse. There are more constructive ways to discipline children. Haleigh and Junior are so young. What could they possibly do to require being slapped or backhanded by any adult.

JMO

[seeker]

What I mean is that if everyone was afraid of Ron they would not dare touch his child. You see, I do not think that Ron hurt his daughter.

jmo

I see. Thanks for responding. Bam Bam answered, too, and I responded to him about this very subject.

[seeker]

I agree; if Ronald Cummings' reputation was that of such a bad guy ... such a tough dude ... someone you do NOT mess with, no one in Satsuma (probably even all of Putnam County) would have dared enter the Cummings home and kidnap one of his children. Even if his reputation was enhanced by whom he knew or was related to, the fear of violent reprisal would keep his children and girlfriend safe from harm.
And RC's girlfriend of the moment, Misty, would not have gone off (IF that is true) on a 3-day binge with girlfriends to party in such a big way that Misty hooked up with another guy. Misty would have feared what Ron would do to her physically.
Unless, of course, all or most of these people were so under the influence, so whacked out on drugs or alcohol, that their fear of this violent, powerful man did not matter.
But if they were so whacked out, how did they manage to kidnap Haleigh without leaving (as far as we know at the moment from L.E.) any forensic evidence. [JMO * Themis]

Your point is predicated on the belief that someone other than Ron and/ or Misty did something to Haleigh. I come from the belief that the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings lies at the feet of these two individuals.

My opinion.

[Peaches]

IMO Ron and his mother were the only people that Haleigh could count on.
Crystal showed me what kind of person she really was whe she moved that far from her child. All is jmo


Molly, I have said that very same thing over and over. By moving so far away from her children, she was not able to enjoy their day to day life. She missed so much and this is moo

[?noanswer]

Quick question. Who thinks KP would have got involved in this case had she known all the things that have come out since she took on the case? I do remember on one of the shows, she said that everything they discovered, LE already knew about it. If LE did know that and then Cobra, TJ Hart, and Art Harris put everthing out there for their own self fullfillment, I think they have obstructed a police investigation. Anyone have any thoughts on any of this? JMO

[titanfan217]

I watched JVM tonight and I did not get the impression that TJ was indicating Ron or anyone else.

Have on TIVO but haven't watched. Could someone tell me about what part of the show it's on? I'm hoping it's at the beginning.

[titanfan217]

oh yeah ITA...........I was abused and i tell you if my baby would have lived there is NO way i would have ever let me ex have custody. I would have went under ground with my child until i could get someone to listen to me.

Except in this case didn't RC have the children?

[panache]

I've been trying to log into the Putnam County Court site, but having a problem.

The news is Nay Nay was bonded out at 8:45pm. She's free again! According to what I've been reading.

moo

[seeker]

I've been trying to log into the Putnam County Court site, but having a problem.

The news is Nay Nay was bonded out at 8:45pm. She's free again! According to what I've been reading.

moo
Thanks, panache.

[seeker]

PREVATT KRISTINA RENEE 5/30/1990 F W 09-01696 4/28/2009 2:38:46 PM

4/29/2009 8:50:00 PM (Released)

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[panache]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[panache]

I hope she gets the help she needs.

I doubt it. Not with the crowd she hangs with. I'm trying to find out who bonded her out this time. HUGE mistake> she needs an intervention.

moo

[4Kids]

News travels fast in small towns especially when it is dirty. How could he not know? And friends, like NayNay, Amber and WBG love to talk. I bet he knew by Saturday night what was going on. That is why he was calling her and told her to bring a condom.

MOO

A condom? Link? This one is new to me. Thanks.

IMHO

[4Kids]

Absolutely. I think any form of hitting a child is abuse. There are more constructive ways to discipline children. Haleigh and Junior are so young. What could they possibly do to require being slapped or backhanded by any adult.

JMO

Has there been some finality to the abuse investigation? IMO

[panache]

A condom? Link? This one is new to me. Thanks.

IMHO

Art Harris is a good start. Its the only place covering the Haleigh case for weeks.

moo

[?noanswer]

Art wrote about a condom or a commenter did?


IIRC, WBG or Nay Nay, or both said that when Misty spoke to Ron after the weekend they were all together, Ron asked Misty to bring a condom when she came home. Take it for what it's worth and consider the source (TJH, AH, Cobra - some or all of them). JMO

[?noanswer]

and didn't Nay Nay also say Misty was pregnant? what would they need condoms for if she was already pregnant? ohhhhh nevermind i think i know why...........:blushing:

I think NN said Misty told them she was pregnant and had a pregnancy test. NN said it might have been her SIL's test. I wonder if any of them even remember too much about what went on that weekend. If they were doing drugs like WBG said, they were probably out of it. JMO

[panache]

and didn't Nay Nay also say Misty was pregnant? what would they need condoms for if she was already pregnant? ohhhhh nevermind i think i know why...........:blushing:

Oh so you did know about the *internet condomn rumor then*? In order for you to know about Misty/pregnancy you would have had to read Art's interview with Nay Nay.

moo

[aproudmom]

I doubt it. Not with the crowd she hangs with. I'm trying to find out who bonded her out this time. HUGE mistake> she needs an intervention.

moo

ITA pana...

[panache]

I think NN said Misty told them she was pregnant and had a pregnancy test. NN said it might have been her SIL's test. I wonder if any of them even remember too much about what went on that weekend. If they were doing drugs like WBG said, they were probably out of it. JMO

I take it you believe the WBG internet rumor too then?

I love how some seem to pick the rumors they believe and the rumors they don't. How can that be?

moo

[?noanswer]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

What's up with that page. Has this headline posted "Haleigh 4/29/2009: VIDEO Prevatt's Bond Revoked" but nothing under it. Wonder if LE had a little talk with him after all the calls they received yesterday from people thinking that an arrest had been made in Haleigh's disappearance. JMO

[panache]

ITA pana...

I hope Nay Nay doesn't get near her daughter Destiny. Huge mistake.

moo

[?noanswer]

I take it you believe the WBG internet rumor too then?

I love how some seem to pick the rumors they believe and the rumors they don't. How can that be?

moo

I didn't say I believed or didn't believe. I was answering a question posed by another poster as to where the information came from. If you notice I said "Consider the source and take it for what it's worth" JMO

[aproudmom]

oh yeah ITA...........I was abused and i tell you if my baby would have lived there is NO way i would have ever let me ex have custody. I would have went under ground with my child until i could get someone to listen to me.

ITA and did go into hiding for year

[aproudmom]

I hope Nay Nay doesn't get near her daughter Destiny. Huge mistake.

moo

she needs to get well and be there for her baby..she is young she still has time..but not in the shape she is in..

[4Kids]

Art Harris is a good start. Its the only place covering the Haleigh case for weeks.

moo

Oh. Thanks. I generally don't read his site. It concerns me that he is reporting heavily everyday, yet there is no new substantial information, no reference to forensics, no nods from LE saying they have given him info...nothing. Just speculations and interviews with some folks who throw out information that is never substantiated. Not good professional journalism style. Sensationalized journalism, IMO. Unfortunatley, since LE has nothing...and continues to reiterate that they have nothing, this is all that is left. Guesswork journalism. Very sad for Haleigh and her Mom and Dad, IMO. This is my opinion on Mr. Harris. His lawsuit from another senstaionlized story backs up my feeling on this, IMO.

[4Kids]

I take it you believe the WBG internet rumor too then?

I love how some seem to pick the rumors they believe and the rumors they don't. How can that be?

moo

???

I prefer factual information. Unfortunatley, since LE has no leads, no crime and no plans for any arrests, the till on facts is very low. IMO.

[4Kids]

All right folks...this questions begs to be asked. If LE is being truthful in all of their pressers and interviews when they state they have no "crime", no suspects (although nobody has been cleared, except the AC guy), no leads and no evidence of a crime...why in God's name did they send the searchers home, not bring out the dogs again and cut short the trash search? If all they had was a gut feeling....why???

IMO

[4Kids]

she needs to get well and be there for her baby..she is young she still has time..but not in the shape she is in..

ITA Mom. Nice "seeing" you.

IMO

[panache]

I didn't say I believed or didn't believe. I was answering a question posed by another poster as to where the information came from. If you notice I said "Consider the source and take it for what it's worth" JMO

Being as the Main St. media isn't covering this case any longer, most, who are devoted to finding the whereabouts and werewithall of little Haleigh rely on the internet for news. Many locals in the area can give us a window and tell us what the local chatter is about. The blogs and boards, (even this one) are there for us to read or not. What I have found in regards to this case, many rumors turn out to be true. Example, HC being hospitalized. I read about that shortly after it happened, and way before it was posted on AH.

Seem some like to refer to *boxes of salt*, I guess its up to the indivudual whether they require a box or a grain.

moo

[panache]

I wonder who bonded her out.

The answer could be very telling. I understand she could have been held for 72 hours, a shame she wasn't.

moo

[?noanswer]

Well said Pan. What I don't understand is this "15 minutes of fame" deal. How exactly is it 15 minutes of fame when it is basically being covered by Art Harris and a blurb on JVM? Where exactly is this 15 minutes of fame some refer to? A free sweet tea at memaws?

moo

Seems some people are desperate for attention/money and will do whatever it takes to get it. I don't know what happened to AH, as it seems he had a pretty good career going with MSM, but now he is relagated to free lancing. This is the first I have seen/heard of him since ANS. JMO

[panache]

Oh. Thanks. I generally don't read his site. It concerns me that he is reporting heavily everyday, yet there is no new substantial information, no reference to forensics, no nods from LE saying they have given him info...nothing. Just speculations and interviews with some folks who throw out information that is never substantiated. Not good professional journalism style. Sensationalized journalism, IMO. Unfortunatley, since LE has nothing...and continues to reiterate that they have nothing, this is all that is left. Guesswork journalism. Very sad for Haleigh and her Mom and Dad, IMO. This is my opinion on Mr. Harris. His lawsuit from another senstaionlized story backs up my feeling on this, IMO.

All the more reason that neither Art or his attorney would allow him to take the risks he is taking on this case with the Texas lawsuit looming on the horizon. Especially when that Texas suit isn't looking too good in Art's favor, IMO.


moo

[panache]

Well said Pan. What I don't understand is this "15 minutes of fame" deal. How exactly is it 15 minutes of fame when it is basically being covered by Art Harris and a blurb on JVM? Where exactly is this 15 minutes of fame some refer to? A free sweet tea at memaws?

moo

I'm dying to visit memaws. Next time I travel to Florida I'm putting that on my intererary.

This case isn't going to bring AH or JVM fame. Personally I think Art's reporting on it to occupy his time while he sits out the outcome of his Texas lawsuit. Jane already has what she has always wanted. Her own show.

moo

[?noanswer]

I'm dying to visit memaws. Next time I travel to Florida I'm putting that on my intererary.

This case isn't going to bring AH or JVM fame. Personally I think Art's reporting on it to occupy his time while he sits out the outcome of his Texas lawsuit. Jane already has what she has always wanted. Her own show.

moo

Is the TX lawsuit in the court now? JMO

[?noanswer]

I'm dying to visit memaws. Next time I travel to Florida I'm putting that on my intererary.

This case isn't going to bring AH or JVM fame. Personally I think Art's reporting on it to occupy his time while he sits out the outcome of his Texas lawsuit. Jane already has what she has always wanted. Her own show.

moo


How are the ratings for her show? JMO

[panache]

Do you ever ask why Main St. media isn't covering this case. Maybe because there is nothing to report other then rumors and they are not into rumors?? I noticed the local paper did an article just today with factual news from the PCSD.
Ashame that PCSD has to clarify rumors because they were flooded with call from all over the country because of the same little group continues to spread unverified gossip. MOO

Would you rather have a blackout on any news about Hayleigh? Where would you go to find anything about this little girl if it wasn't for message boards, blogs, and other posters who share your interest in this case?

You ever see anyone reporting on Adjir, Trenton, Natalee, or a host of other missing children, except infrequently? Personally, while Haleigh's case is still relatively fresh, I'll take it all in with a *grain of salt*. Often times, I am not disappointed, rumors (some) do turn into facts.

moo

[aproudmom]

All right folks...this questions begs to be asked. If LE is being truthful in all of their pressers and interviews when they state they have no "crime", no suspects (although nobody has been cleared, except the AC guy), no leads and no evidence of a crime...why in God's name did they send the searchers home, not bring out the dogs again and cut short the trash search? If all they had was a gut feeling....why???

IMO

I would like to know the same thing

[aproudmom]

Wow Pan, you've got GUTS. I wouldn't step one foot in that town. Can you fedex me a tea though? I'm dying to try it as well, lol.

I give AH and JVM cred for keeping this case alive. Art's okay in my book and he has a few things on the backburner that will help him keep afloat, no worries. Unlike someone else we know, he's not sitting around waiting for the world to hand him money on a silver platter. He is actually *working* which is more than I can say for some people in this case.

Did you see the article about Marie marching this past weekend? Good for her for getting out there and helping to keep Haliegh's name and face in the public.

moo

you know a lot do not like NG and some of these other people but we really need to step back who has not stopped talking about this JVM. NG...What happen to GR and GVS have not seen to much from them everyone is forgetting this child and before long she will not even be on those shows..I am not going to bash AH or this COBRA guy they are doing something a lot more than others if it keep attention on this little girl the kudos to them..I sure would not step foot in that town...jmo

[panache]

Wow Pan, you've got GUTS. I wouldn't step one foot in that town. Can you fedex me a tea though? I'm dying to try it as well, lol.

I give AH and JVM cred for keeping this case alive. Art's okay in my book and he has a few things on the backburner that will help him keep afloat, no worries. Unlike someone else we know, he's not sitting around waiting for the world to hand him money on a silver platter. He is actually *working* which is more than I can say for some people in this case.

Did you see the article about Marie marching this past weekend? Good for her for getting out there and helping to keep Haliegh's name and face in the public.

moo

I did see the article about Marie and her photo. She got good coverage about her partcipation.

You'll most likely see this verified offically tomorrow, but the word on the street in Patulak is Chucks Bails Bonds bailed Nay Nay out. A fella by the name of Jerome Statton or Stratton.

moo

LOL...why does it remind me of Chuck E Cheese.

[panache]

actually right now they are working on redirecting it to federal court

Actually they were in court April 21 trying to get a recusal on the judge and it was denied. The judge remains.

moo

[panache]

actually didn't the LE say they are having a hard time staying focused with all the drama and rumors?

If LE can't stay *focused* and can't deal with family *drama* and weed out facts from rumor, they need to think about taking a refresher course in Investigating Crimes 101. I've never seen a LE dept. depreciate themselves as this force as done as their excuse for not having any answers.

First it was all those nasty ex wifes calling to make trouble on their ex's

Not to mention they allow a 17 yr old to strut out of a questioning, cuz she didn't like their tude.

Now its rumors and drama.


I say, grow up and investigate. You have all the tools and the FBI at your beck and call.

moo

[panache]

I have no doubt they know how to sift through the rumors, but their time could be spent on investigating other information and tips they have collected if they didn't have to sift out all the rumors and speculations that lead to no where.
Example, investigating a false report that RC was trying to kill his father-in-law. Calls to investigate RC driving through a public parking lot, GM insisting that a officer make up a written report on an incident that should never require the time from the officer for this report. Anyone know how long it takes for such a nonsense 911 call with laughing and giggling in the back ground.
Calls from people all over the country flooding their dept. with calls of rumors flying. This is nonsense. Leave them alone, LE will continue to investigate without this nonsense. Let them use their limited man power where it is need. MOO
I am sure PDM,Ron, place of employment received those calls. Now the man has lost a good job. I guess that gives some people a sense of power to cause a man with a family to lose his job. Sad, there are people like that, that need to hurt other people to feel good about their self. MOO

First of all, LE recently said the tips have dwiddled down to barely nothing (paraphrased)

Second of all, I would hope the police force has more than one cruiser to investigate a parking lot nuisance.

Thirdly, I doubt they were *flooded with calls from all over the country*. Outside of message boards, Haleigh's case is no longer the topic du joir among mainstream America.

And fourth, the *good job* that Ron lost was due to his own irresponsibilty. He had plenty of free moments during his extensive searching, in between tats, marriage licesnses, Chilli's, weddings, mudbogging to make a phone call to PDM. Or did he expect his Mom to take care of it for him, again.

MOO

[panache]

Don't dismiss the original police report, Sheriff Hardy couldn't get Ronald to calm down enough (the night Haleigh vanished) to get any information out of him, so he moved onto Misty. Have you ever heard/read of such a thing? I haven't. All over the internet, people are bashing the Putnam Sheriff and his department. Even other le officers outside of Putnam county aren't thrilled with the way this is being handled. My guess is, many years from now they will use this case as an example and study of what NOT to do when faced with a child who is missing.

moo

What do you expect when weeks after a crime scene is released, LE decides to go back and remove the screen door. Oh vey!!

moo

[sleuth]

sounds like another internet rumor to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1I6zOihOTw

[panache]

I disagree with you. Every LE dept has a plan to implement in a case of child abduction. Every step was properly followed.

Not every LE Dept. has the perfect plan implemented in a child abduction case. Some plans simply do not work. There was a case last year in the state of RI when an Amber Alert was not issued, because LE thought it was okay for the neighbor to take the little girl to the park. Turned out he was murderer.

moo

[Themis]

ITA...they need to get out there and figure this out. I wonder what kind of leads they have that makes them believe Haleighs alive.

I pray Misty didn't sell her :(
I have just been able to return to this message board.

I see someone posted a bombshell statement; I bolded it. Thanks for saying it out loud, FallenAngel. It is a horrible, terrible scenario to contemplate but it is a valid possibility, IMO.

When I said in a earlier post that I found it difficult to believe Haleigh's kidnapping involved Misty's circle of acquaintances being able to accomplish it without leaving some forensics, I did not exclude them being able to arrange for Haleigh's disappearance while not under the influence. Because LE has been so tight-lipped we have no idea whose fingerprints they may have found.

As for a RSO or an unregistered SO it would have to be one lucky person again to pull off such a kidnapping in light of all we know -- about the place, the day and time, the unique sleeping arrangements, the cement block, the light switch, etc.
Yes, I have read that a SO is almost unstoppable if they zero in on a particular target. But, I also believe that for many it is a crime of opportunity.

Much of Ron Cummings' words and actions starting with the 911 call are inexplicable, to me at least. I will never get over the fact that he has said publicly that he has not questioned Misty himself about certain things. He, his parents, his sister and grandmother know that LE has said Misty's inconsistencies trouble them a great deal. And yet RC's mother and grandmother wholeheartedly endorsed not only a quickie engagement but a marriage between those two 33 days after poor little Haleigh had disappeared.

I cannot wrap my mind around it ... I cannot understand it ... and never will no matter what the outcome. [JMO * Themis]

[panache]

My point wasn't WHO found Haleigh, my point is what other le department tells volunteers to not search? You just made my point perfectly, it wasn't le that found her, it was the people. So let me ask it again, what le department has ever told volunteers to quit searching? Don't rest your case just yet bambam, it's not a question about who finds missing children, it's the question as to what le department has ever told volunteers to quit searching.

moo

Great point Viking! If I was a resident of Putnam County I would be asking what the heck is going on. Seems like most everyone drives without a DL, the drug addicts, dealers, go in and out of the county jail like its Wallyworld without a greeter, paternity suits up the gazoo, and LE can't solve a crime without a body. Have they not heard of circumstanional evidence, or means, motive and opportunity. No wonder AH and Cobra have taken an interest in this case. Its going to be a classic. Of what, I won't say.

moo

[panache]

Oh man, this is getting so dicey. I'm going to hate reading what comes out tomorrow about this Nay Nay bonding stuff.



http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P95000009628&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CHUCKSBAILBONDS&names_filing_type=

There's a strong possibilty that a man who bailed Nay Nay out for Chucks Bail Bond lives on Green Ln.

moo

[Themis]

Oh man, this is getting so dicey. I'm going to hate reading what comes out tomorrow about this Nay Nay bonding stuff.



http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P95000009628&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CHUCKSBAILBONDS&names_filing_type=

There's a strong possibilty that a man who bailed Nay Nay out for Chucks Bail Bond lives on Green Ln.

moo
I clicked on your link, Panache, but all I see in a lot of corporate info about Chuck's Bail Bonds company.
Can you tell me what I am doing wrong or not doing? Thanks!

P.S. Green Lane is a very short dead-end street -- can't be too many mobile homes on it.

[panache]

Its starting to all fit together IMO, re Nay Nay. I think Cobra was onto something.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Type in Ingram%

Scroll to Charles Ingram.

Same atty. as Ron's.

This is getting really scary.

moo

I think someone bailed Nay out so she won't talk. Someone sent a doctor to clear her so she wouldn't have to stay the 72 hours. There is a connection with a lot of these people, their charges, their drugs, their bondsman.

moo

[panache]

I clicked on your link, Panache, but all I see in a lot of corporate info about Chuck's Bail Bonds company.
Can you tell me what I am doing wrong or not doing? Thanks!

P.S. Green Lane is a very short dead-end street -- can't be too many mobile homes on it.

No Themis, that's all I intended for the moment. To legitmize who bonded Nay out. I didn't want to be accused of posting a rumor.
Someone connected to this company lived at 202 or 220 Green St. I'm still funneling thru the info.

moo

[panache]

Exactly Panache. I am thousands of miles away from Satsuma, but sometimes I feel like when we are talking about it, we are somehow refering to a 3rd world country. Excuse after excuse pours out and I can hardly believe the stories that come out of there.

What was reported to be rumor, was actually truth when it concerns the Hank Croslin story. The only difference being Ronald and Misty, along with a few select others, pressured the he&& out of Hank to retract his statement and to follow the family which was probably followed up with threats of cutting his drug supply off, imo. I don't believe Hank could last long without his supply, he seems to be very dependent upon his drugs and I doubt he'd want that to end anytime soon. There was no reason for Hank to make up his story, none whatsoever. Whether Hank received one pill or 400 pills that night does not negate the fact that one pill CAN kill you. I find it hard to believe that posters say "one pill can't kill ya" oh, but it can and does. Such a flippant attitude regarding drugs scares me. Regardless of that issue, Hank told the truth when under the influence of drugs about his new son-in-law Ronald, this is the same man who lied to his father inlaw about how old he was to begin with, right off the bat.

Jmo's and omo's.

I heard Hank was Baker Acted shortly after his OD episode.

moo

[Themis]

No Themis, that's all I intended for the moment. To legitmize who bonded Nay out. I didn't want to be accused of posting a rumor.
Someone connected to this company lived at 202 or 220 Green St. I'm still funneling thru the info.

moo
OH! OK, I was the one who misunderstood. I'm sorry. Thank you.

FYI: Cummings address was 202 Green LANE, Satsuma, FL . 32189.

P.S. Must leave, will catch up later. Thanks

[panache]

OH! OK, I was the one who misunderstood. I'm sorry. Thank you.

FYI: Cummings address was 202 Green LANE, Satsuma, FL . 32189.

Thanks. Let me go check my email.

[panache]

OH! OK, I was the one who misunderstood. I'm sorry. Thank you.

FYI: Cummings address was 202 Green LANE, Satsuma, FL . 32189.

P.S. Must leave, will catch up later. Thanks

Is there a 102 Green Lane?

[panache]

See this is how really bad rumors get started ............MOO :bored:

What are you calling a rumor? I told you that Nay Nay was bailed out. What the Bail Co name was, and posted who ran the company. There is someone or some involved with that company that use the same attys. that Ron does. Coincidence?

moo

[panache]

Looks like Ronalds old digs are back up on the market. $600.00 a month is the asking price. http://satsuma.fl.house.info/234688-house-rent

moo

Thanks for the info. That's where the 202/220 Green info got confused. Its Ron's former address.

I think its going to be difficult to rent. I couldn't live there under the circumstances. (((shiver)))

moo

[panache]

i was talking about your theory about the doctor. and how many bail companies are in Satsuma?

I never mentioned anything about how many bail companies are in Samsuma. Where did you see that?

It stands to reason and sounds plausible to me, that if Nay Nay was on a 72 hour hold for suicide, she would have to be examined by a DR. before she is released as to her mental health. Apparantly someone was willing to see that happen, for whatever reason. IMO, its to keep her from talking.

Wait and see is all I can say.

moo

[cat3]

What are you calling a rumor? I told you that Nay Nay was bailed out. What the Bail Co name was, and posted who ran the company. There is someone or some involved with that company that use the same attys. that Ron does. Coincidence?

moo

I'm doing the Misty,huh,huh,huh on this one.I'm really confused.The first link that you posted said the owner for the bail bondsman was Dale Ingram.Then you posted a link for court cases and said to type in Ingram,Charles.
I know that the name is Chucks Bail,but the owner is Dale Ingram.The only thing on Dale Ingram's court record is for traffic.Where does Charles Ingram come in? And I didn't see anything about Ron's atty's on the cases.I'm not trying to argue....I'm just trying to understand.Maybe I missed something.IMO

[cat3]

i'm not trying to argue either i'm just trying to understand :confused:

I've done my share of looking up information but I have to admit I'm lost on what C.Ingram has to do with D.Ingram.
If we stretch it Chuck could be for Charles,but it's a leap.IMO

[LILMANMAX]

Ok.........i keep looking but i don't understand what Charles Ingram has to do with this case. Just because he got bailed out by Ron lawyer. :confused:


I don't understand either. RC is not the only client this attorney has. At least I hope not. :wink:

[JackiBlu]

No Themis, that's all I intended for the moment. To legitmize who bonded Nay out. I didn't want to be accused of posting a rumor.
Someone connected to this company lived at 202 or 220 Green St. I'm still funneling thru the info.

moo

This Green Lane is in Hollister, FL not Satsuma.

Your link:

http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P95000009628&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CHUCKSBAILBONDS&names_filing_type=

JMO

[cat3]

This Green Lane is in Hollister, FL not Satsuma.

Your link:

http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P95000009628&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CHUCKSBAILBONDS&names_filing_type=

JMO

It sure does say that,JackiBlu.I missed that until you pointed it out.It's easy to miss stuff on the first look.IMO

[JackiBlu]

now THAT is a great find Jacki * high five *

Thank you FA!!!

[panache]

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

Dale Ingram is listed onthe Chucks Bail Bonds site as owner.
Charles is the current reg.. owner according to a source.

Maybe husband and wife?

moo

oops...Type in Charles Ingram

Dale and Charles maybe husband and wife?

[cat3]

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

Dale Ingram is listed onthe Chucks Bail Bonds site as owner.
Charles is the current reg.. owner according to a source.

Maybe husband and wife?

moo

oops...Type in Charles Ingram

Dale and Charles maybe husband and wife?

I do see that on the offender site and the address is 140 Green Lane.Hmmm.Interesting.Wouldn't a bondsman have to have a clean record though? IMO

[panache]

Going just by names it could be Brothers or Cousins? Possibly?

That too. Did you see what Charles's offense was? Its all starting to jell. I should be sleeping, but there is so much out there.

[panache]

I do see that on the offender site and the address is 140 Green Lane.Hmmm.Interesting.Wouldn't a bondsman have to have a clean record though? IMO

You would think, but maybe Dale does. :confused:

[panache]

well i have no clue if she was put on a 72 hour hold to be honest. and i've never heard of a lawyer being able to bring their own dr in to do a mental evaluation...have you?

What happens in Putnam County Jail stays in Putnam County Jail. :biggrin:

moo

[cat3]

You would think, but maybe Dale does. :confused:

And you're sure this company bailed out NayNay? I'm still confused as to what this has to do with Ron though.I think I need some sleep.lol
So they bailed out NayNay and the Co. is located in Hollister Fl.
And Ron's atty handled a case for Charles Ingram....right? IMO

[panache]

but what does this bail bonds place in Hollister, FL have to do with Ron? I'm honestly confused. Maybe it's because its 1am lol

Just that Charles and Ron share the same attys. and this is the guy that is associated with Chuck's Bail. I asked you earlier, is all this just coincidence?

moo

[panache]

And you're sure this company bailed out NayNay? I'm still confused as to what this has to do with Ron though.I think I need some sleep.lol
So they bailed out NayNay and the Co. is located in Hollister Fl.
And Ron's atty handled a case for Charles Ingram....right? IMO

So far so good.

[panache]

it was a BUNCH of stuff and one of them was SEXUAL BATTERY

Another was PREDATOR!!!

moo

[cat3]

So far so good.

No doubt there is a connection with Dale and Charles as they both have the address of 140 Green Lane in Hollister FL.I couldn't puzzle that out the first time around until you posted the offender link.lol.
It's something to ponder for sure.Good work,panache and also JackiBlu for catching the address was in Hollister.IMO

[panache]

can you tell me how anyone knows this is the bail bonds company that bailed out NN?

and i'm sure we can find 50 more clients Rons lawyer has if we dig long enough.

i'm just seeing a few people desperate and starting rumors to be honest.


MOO

Good night!

[Santa'sMom]

I will except a statement from the sheriff's office as a fact, you on the other hand stick with AH and his group of renegades.
Good night people,moving on to pogo for a little more action without so much negative thoughts. Love those flying pigs...
:wink:

I took it that Grace was making a funny haha. Someone was talking about rumors and Grace quipped back with "That may be just a rumor" (approximately). I envisioned a tongue in a cheek. Maybe I'm wrong though?

[Santa'sMom]

When I tpye in the address and zip code it brings me to here:

Green Ln, Interlachen, Putnam, FL 32148

zip code 32147 is in Hollister but Green lane is not.
Weird.

The actual address may be in Interlachen but they may receive their mail from Hollister. Unless the area has really, really grown a lot, there is a LOT of rural area out there.

[cat3]

no doubt theres a connection but there is no proof they bailed out NN or set up the dr to say she was ok so she could get bailed out and not talk....

i loved how they first wanted to say the person lived next to Ron. LOL

I haven't been here much today and thought maybe I had missed a link about who had bailed out NN.Even if they did bail her out,you're right that the connection may be nothing other than Ron having the same attorney as Ingram.Still it was good work on panache's part for finding the info.Have to agree though that it isn't fact at this point and may have little or nothing to do with this case.IMO

[cat3]

I agree. We will just have to wait and see if anything pans out from this.
Goodnight everyone.

Goodnight Patricia.

[cat3]

Oh yeah Pan did some great work.
Nope there has been no link on who bailed out NN....
right now that's just who Pan thinks bailed her out...time will tell.

Could be something or nothing,and as you posted we don't really know who bailed NN out.At least I don't know.IMO

[cat3]

yeah same here Cat,..i have no clue even after looking at all these links. lol

I think some of it comes from other boards.I know a lot of things get posted and I'm like "what, where did they get that from" lol.
Still it was interesting and something to think about.IMO
Night everyone.I think it's way past my bedtime.Catch you all tomorrow,and hope Haleigh is found,or at least something breaks in this case soon.IMO

[FoxySly]

actually didn't the LE say they are having a hard time staying focused with all the drama and rumors?

Yes they did.

Also, just figuring in the sheriff's report of the over 500 calls in the first two weeks of this case where angry bitter women calling in trying to get their ex's in trouble.

Something seems to be bad in the air or water down there with so many bitter, violent, angry, drug using people IMO,

Very sad also IMO for all the precious Children being born & raised into this atmosphere.

Sly

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