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Lovethechild
04-29-2009, 04:05 AM
New thread for april 29. PLEASE LET LITTLE TORI BE FOUND TODAY.
JD1974
04-29-2009, 05:20 AM
Has anyone seen this video?
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34112.aspx
Tara thinks it could be someone she knows and thinks it's mildly vindictive that went too far....wth I know she is involved now, this locks it up for me.
Dang I typed wrong, it is vindictive not vendetta
This case gets more and more bizarre everyday. Police are offering a $50,000 reward? Why now? Strange that they did this after Tara's story about the mysterious donor.
I get the feeling that they're closing in on a possible suspect. Someone is going to slip up soon.
Mom spins 'crazy' tale of ransom, limo ride
Oxford police, who last night announced a $50,000 reward in the case, refused outright to address the credibility of Tara McDonald's tale that she said took place last Thursday.
But a former Toronto abduction investigator said it's unlikely any ransom deal would be set up the way McDonald and her mysterious benefactor described it -- with money provided after Tori is returned safe and sound.
"It's ridiculous," said Dave Perry, a former Toronto police officer with 27 years experience.
Perry questioned the idea of ransom being part of the abduction at all.
"I find it odd she (McDonald) would be walking down that road, talking about ransom. Are they going to take that child from that family for money? A ransom, you have to have the ability to pay."
The focus on the investigation is likely still a family dispute, not a random kidnapping, Perry said.
"That's what I would be focusing on."
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/04/29/9284576-sun.html
Poor Tori. This is nuts. :sad:
MoonFlwr
04-29-2009, 08:10 AM
Has anyone seen this video?
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34112.aspx
(...snipped)
How bizarre! :confused:
Thanks for the link, n/t and for all the links you've put into the Links page.
Thanks to all the other posters who have as well.
Thanks for keeping us updated! :thumbup:
At yesterday's PC, was the first time I noticed Tara looking very tired and a nervousness in her voice.
Who would be targeting her family and why? I wish that blonde reporter would've asked her that. She should've also followed up by stating that Tara believed this person was a stranger and now she changed her story to say it's someone who knows the family. Why?
We need Nancy Grace up here to ask the tough questions. lol
MoonFlwr
04-29-2009, 08:52 AM
At yesterday's PC, was the first time I noticed Tara looking very tired and a nervousness in her voice.
Who would be targeting her family and why? I wish that blonde reporter would've asked her that. She should've also followed up by stating that Tara believed this person was a stranger and now she changed her story to say it's someone who knows the family. Why?
We need Nancy Grace up here to ask the tough questions. lol
rofl! Yeah, exactly. No beating around the bush with her!
"Some people think YOU may have taken Tori. Did you?"
Tara must know that a lot of people are suspicious of her so I can only imagine, if she is involved, how panicked she must be.
Hoping Tori is found soon!
It wouldn't let me edit to add:
I wonder if they've checked to see if anyone in Tara's or Rodney's families owns a cabin. I know a lot of people in Ontario do and it would be a perfect spot for them to take her since most are secluded and empty this time of year.
streeter
04-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Please let today be the day. Please let this farce be over for Tori, even if she is no longer with us.
:rose:
BeetlebrowII
04-29-2009, 11:57 AM
Has anyone seen this video?
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34112.aspx
Tara thinks it could be someone she knows and thinks it's mildly vindictive that went too far....wth I know she is involved now, this locks it up for me.
Dang I typed wrong, it is vindictive not vendetta
JD......I watched the video twice and what I heard Tara say was that this is what OTHER people have told her.
BeetlebrowII
04-29-2009, 12:02 PM
Mom spins 'crazy' tale of ransom, limo ride
Oxford police, who last night announced a $50,000 reward in the case, refused outright to address the credibility of Tara McDonald's tale that she said took place last Thursday.
But a former Toronto abduction investigator said it's unlikely any ransom deal would be set up the way McDonald and her mysterious benefactor described it -- with money provided after Tori is returned safe and sound.
"It's ridiculous," said Dave Perry, a former Toronto police officer with 27 years experience.
Perry questioned the idea of ransom being part of the abduction at all.
"I find it odd she (McDonald) would be walking down that road, talking about ransom. Are they going to take that child from that family for money? A ransom, you have to have the ability to pay."
The focus on the investigation is likely still a family dispute, not a random kidnapping, Perry said.
"That's what I would be focusing on."
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/04/29/9284576-sun.html
Poor Tori. This is nuts. :sad:
So it seems like Tara knows who took her and is offering money. This detective is right about why would anyone think that Tara had a large sum of $ and take Tori to get money. I am just getting the feeling here that this probably does involve drugs. We still don't even know how Tara/James supported themselves. No one has come foward to say they worked with either of them. This is a huge red flag IMO.
Live Stream for 1 pm Tara conference
http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress
BeetlebrowII
04-29-2009, 12:10 PM
If someone did not like Tara or had an argument with her, it seems far fetched that they would take Tori and risk kidnapping charges.
I think this is either a drug debt (possibly James or uncle involved) or maybe someone truly thought Tori was in some type of danger in her home environment and took her to protect her. This scenario does not seem so out of the question with what we have seen.
So it seems like Tara knows who took her and is offering money. This detective is right about why would anyone think that Tara had a large sum of $ and take Tori to get money. I am just getting the feeling here that this probably does involve drugs. We still don't even know how Tara/James supported themselves. No one has come foward to say they worked with either of them. This is a huge red flag IMO.
True. We know nothing about their jobs or if they even had one. Rodney hasn't paid child support so how in the world did they pay their bills? Welfare? They look healthy and able to work, imo. BF doesn't need to hang out everyday at the house watching her do these press conferences. :angry:
Orleaner12
04-29-2009, 12:46 PM
Surely Tara is not going to give another press conference today:huh:
Surely Tara is not going to give another press conference today:huh:
She does. Everyday.
They're showing yesterday's conference now.
http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress
streeter
04-29-2009, 01:44 PM
Surely Tara is not going to give another press conference today:huh:
Of course she is. She's in her element. :rolleyes:
Predictions? Hair up or down? Sunglasses on, off or on head? Seriously, this is what it's come to. Poor Tori.
virgogal
04-29-2009, 01:51 PM
My guess would be hair up with sunglasses in the white jacket again!!
It's clear to most everyone that Tara is taking advantage of her daughter and this horrible situation to get attention? money? Who knows.
virgogal
04-29-2009, 01:57 PM
What will she say today?? Now the $50,000 reward has been posted by the police....I'll bet she will soon have a clue as to where Tori is...or that she will be brought home soon!
Call me a cynic...but this is all too familiar!
juliekan
04-29-2009, 02:04 PM
Tara starts the conference by saying she did not know that LE was searching empty buildings, homes??????
streeter
04-29-2009, 02:10 PM
Tara gave police the two numbers she has from rich donor and they checked it out and told her that it's "legit."
She's still playing telephone tag with Sylvia Browne. :rolleyes:
Rodney is with her.
Tara is pressed for her theories. She doesn't have any. Then she thinks someone took her and didn't think it would get so huge so quickly and they let it get out of hand. Now she has a million theories.
A reporter just asked about all the contradictions. She says Woodstock is full of "crap."
Re formal interviews: Rodney has had two. Tara has had "2 or 3."
Have you considered that the limo was a police setup. She says no, police wouldn't go to such trouble. She thinks person was 100% genuine. Reporter says why would you get in car with stranger. She says you'll do anything, and wasn't afraid with humongous brother and humongous boyfriend.
streeter
04-29-2009, 02:13 PM
She's still hoping that the ride will be a celebration, that Tori will be at it and it will be a homecoming.
Makes me wonder if that date was set for Tori's "comeback."
She's talking a lot about psychics and psychic detective.
I wish I had time to transcribe this aft.
streeter
04-29-2009, 02:20 PM
The brother/uncle whatever got pretty impatient with reporters. Didn't like the constant questions about the limo ride.
Phone rang and I missed a bunch. :cursing:
Hmm...one reporter just said to another "Did you hear him slip up?" :scared:
The brother/uncle whatever got pretty impatient with reporters. Didn't like the constant questions about the limo ride.
Phone rang and I missed a bunch. :cursing:
Hmm...one reporter just said to another "Did you hear him slip up?" :scared:
:scared:
.........
I notice that Rodney said that he didn't hear the phone call or about mystery person until afterward sometime. I wonder how long Tara made him wait to hear news that is so significant? Makes you wonder.
I also notice that she doesn't seem to like it when Rodney speaks..she tends to cut him off or finish for him.
And she said something that made me go hmm, she said if a psychic tells her this will be a good weekend she wants to believe that. Wonder if they'll have a break in the case this weekend?
Someone in the chat said to look at Eyes for Lies because Tara was telling the truth.
I can't find anything nor did I get a response back from the blogger so the person must be BS about that.:angry:
The brother/uncle whatever got pretty impatient with reporters. Didn't like the constant questions about the limo ride.
Phone rang and I missed a bunch. :cursing:
Hmm...one reporter just said to another "Did you hear him slip up?" :scared:
Wow! I missed that because my feed kept freezing so I had to turn it off.
I felt a bit bad for laughing when I read the chat part and someone said look there's a limo driver sneaking in the back...look!
I notice that Rodney said that he didn't hear the phone call or about mystery person until afterward sometime. I wonder how long Tara made him wait to hear news that is so significant? Makes you wonder.
I also notice that she doesn't seem to like it when Rodney speaks..she tends to cut him off or finish for him.
And she said something that made me go hmm, she said if a psychic tells her this will be a good weekend she wants to believe that. Wonder if they'll have a break in the case this weekend?
Some of the chatters noticed the same as you. Some said she looked angry when Rodney spoke.
virgogal
04-29-2009, 02:29 PM
Ahhhh....it's all unfolding the way it should!
As the pressure rises...fear and confusion set in. That phone call was Wierd...no...Realistic! WIERD! REALISTIC!
I hate to laugh but that was a seriously confused pair giving that conference!
I forgot to add that Tara can sometimes come across as smug.
And what's with not wanting to disclose the name of the so called psychic detective? I know I'd want the press or anyone listening to validate this person and their abilities.
She couldn't act more suspicious if she tried.
streeter
04-29-2009, 02:30 PM
Thanks for the info, streeter. I didn't see the conference. Did the police themselves tell the reporter the phone #s were legit, or did that come from Tara? Call me a cynic......
Tara said she called the police yesterday and they told her it was legit.
I don't know if "it" means the phone numbers or the actual person. Again, I don't have time to transcribe today. :crying:
Orleaner12
04-29-2009, 02:40 PM
well that was a lot of mumble jumble nonsense:thumbdown:... not sure what to make of that one in back with the headgear:scared:. I think in UK they would be called "chavs".. does anyone in that family work..I think the silence of the police speaks volumes...:wink:
She's the same "psychic" that told Shawn Hornbeck's parents he was dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne
Kinetic, do we just use the same link that we watch Tara's pc's on?
nothingnew
04-29-2009, 03:11 PM
Sylvia Browne-imo-scary freak show nailed "psychic" (I dobelieve in psychics but not sylia). Always on Monteil Williams talk show, very cocky and they never have follow ups to what she's predicting. And YES, she charges for everything. Here's a link to when she was wrong about Shawn Hornbeck.
http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/156-Sylvia-Browne-made-a-cruel-false-prediction.html
Yw, and you aren't comforted because imo shes about as psychic as my dog
The chat is hurting my eyes. Are they going to get started or what?
Hope4Tori
04-29-2009, 03:58 PM
The brother/uncle whatever got pretty impatient with reporters. Didn't like the constant questions about the limo ride.
Phone rang and I missed a bunch. :cursing:
Hmm...one reporter just said to another "Did you hear him slip up?" :scared:
Hey Streeter - Thanks again for your up to the minute reports! smile
I have CP24 on but they haven't put much coverage of the pc. Interest is unfortunately waning, IMO.
Why would any person related to Tori not want her to answer all the reporters' questions all day long, if necessary, if the press was willing to listen, and if there was nothing to hide? Perhaps if the tough questions were asked and there was more pressure from these reporters on both Tara and Rodney and others in the picture to provide answers that at least sound plausible, we would be able to get to the truth! Tara and/or Rodney and/or Tara's b/f and/or family should not have so much of what I perceive to be control of the press and the public audience by being able to call the shots and answer only the questions they want and for as long as they want without the press just telling her bluntly that's not how it works. No one in this case is a celebrity - why the kit gloves - it's not a flippant subject - There is a missing child who is supposed to be the focus and finding her, IMO, should be the only purpose for the presence of the press!!
IMO, the reporters are letting Tori down when they don't do enough hard follow-up and demand answers! Who cares if it's on camera - the family should make themselves available to the press - and they should all be held accountable to explain discrepancies - and if they cannot explain they should be called on it and told how that inability effects their credibility - and that once credibility is so serverely damaged it can and will effect the public's willingness to pay attention to Tori - there are no excuses, IMO, for anyone not being able to understand that concept and its importance. They (Tori's nearest and dearest), should ALL be on the same page and be willing to do whatever if takes if there is even a remote chance, that by their cooperation, by answering all difficult questions with candor, they might help to illuminate the truth so that Tori could be found!
I feel compassion for all families of missing persons, but let's face it, most of us would bravely face the firing squad of a press armed with pointed questions intended to expose the truth knowing it could lead to the only thing that matters - the return of one's missing child! The thought of anything those closest to Tori may be suffering must pale in comparison to the thought of the suffering of innocent little Tori!! Isn't the sacrifice of one's own privacy and the threat of potential criticism worth it if it could make the difference in the outcome of the case and help find Tori?
Tori is missing now for three weeks - the possibilities of what happened to her are endless - hello - this is serious!! Where is the sense of urgency??? - it is missing along with Tori, IMO.
As for whomever it was that objected to so many questions about the limo ride - well excuse me - but, IMO, if one courts attention by way of relating questionably nefarious tales, one must expect that the rational and skeptical public will assign suspicion and will demand a credible explanation.
I don't know who is to blame for Tori's abduction, but I do know from everything I have observed so far, I would not want to know anyone in her immediate circle other than her little brother who is, IMO, the other victim in this circumstance. Sorry, I just cannot relate.
The truth, if ever it is told, will be the only "breaking news" worthy of attention in the case, IMO. It's now three weeks later and I feel so sad for Tori, and I hope the truth will emerge to lead her safely home soon! :smile:
LE refuse to say the donor is legit. That speaks volumes!
Tara seems to be fibbing about this by saying LE confirmed it. Why lie
"it's not causing us concern" IMO means we're going to let her hang herself with her lies
Isn't this woman cop from Woodstock? I don't understand why OPP is not giving these conferences.
Another waste of time. I agree, Hope4Tori. Interest is waning. Personally, I'm getting fed up with no information from LE and Tara taking the spotlight when it should be about Tori.
Many of the chat folks made some very good points.
Family don't wear Tori tshirts
No pleas to the abductor
The cop was handing out the flyer. Why didn't Tara do it?
girlfriday
04-29-2009, 04:15 PM
OMG....that Tara press conference...bizarro!!!
The slip up the reporters must be referring to was likely what Rodney said about the message he heard from the donor. Rodney said 'it was a guy'.
I'm not sure her brother speaking up helped them :scared: He seemed to be the only one who knew word for word what the donor had said.
Now I have all the players in my head (hadn't seen the brother before) so I'm having a mental picture of that ride in the limo, etc...:ohmy:
Sounds to me like Tori can be expected home soon - hopefully!
juliekan
04-29-2009, 04:16 PM
LE refuse to say the donor is legit. That speaks volumes!
Tara seems to be fibbing about this by saying LE confirmed it. Why lie
wonder if that was the "slip up" that reporters were heard referencing after Tara's PC.....
juliekan
04-29-2009, 04:17 PM
OMG....that Tara press conference...bizarro!!!
The slip up the reporters must be referring to was likely what Rodney said about the message he heard from the donor. Rodney said 'it was a guy'.
snipped
Oh, I missed that!!
Ooooooooooh, I am so sorry Nen, I signed off the message boards to watch the LE pc. I can't have two things going on at one time, I'll get disconnected for some reason.
Sorry for just getting this now.no problem, I had to click off too but the longer the site was on the more it froze. Luckily they had it on one of the news channels on tv.
This is by far one of the most frustrating and bizzare cases I've ever seen
girlfriday
04-29-2009, 04:30 PM
Didn't Tara always refer to "her" or "she" when speaking about the mystery benefactor?
I'm not sure...but I did notice that Tara's brother stopped himself short in the midst of saying 'she'.
Hope4Tori
04-29-2009, 04:33 PM
respectfully snipped for space.
Excellent post snipped so I could put it in my response at the bottom ITA
Thank you Lizziegirl!:) Now if only ALL our excellent analyses and observations could make a difference for Tori - wouldn't that be sweet!
Of course, that's my idealistic inner child speaking - but - in light of all the latest melodrama - my cynical side is fast competing for a bigger piece of me. But I will resist!
Hi to everybody here! - and Kinetic - I couldn't post much last night but I read all your posts along with everyone elses and you made me laugh so hard when commenting on how difficult and time consuming it is to transribe a pc! You contacted my imagination with your vivid description - LOL - Heck - I haven't even had a chance to catch up reading/viewing posts/links so I don't even know how Streeter and you do it at all!
We all have to have a laugh sometimes - it's important to maintain one's perspective - so thanks for giving me a smile - and thanks to everyone for all your great posts!:) I love being among such fine company in honour of Tori!:thumbsup:
Lovethechild
04-29-2009, 04:34 PM
Thanks Streeter for the play by play of the PC! This is so strange! Just,WOW. This is beginning to look like a Hoax, and the key players are Tara's side of the family. :cursing: I do think this donor meeting is a set-up by LE. Operation "rope a dope".
doctor_J
04-29-2009, 04:43 PM
Oooooh forgot to mention this.
The moderator (PJ Harston) of the chat stated that a Woodstock Sentinel Review reporter went door to door in Tara's neighborhood asking if they saw a limo and someone walking through their backyards, and no one person in Tara's neighborhood saw a thing.
This is my thing. Limos, unless it's Beverly Hills, draw LOTS of attention, even from kids.
lol @ rope a dope
I really believed that the police would confirm Tara's donor story and then I'd feel silly for ever doubting her. Since they didn't and it basically makes her look like a liar I'm even more convinced that this is all about greed. Greedy for money, greedy for press, greedy for attention. It's all there.
She looks suspicious to most people, yet seems oblivious to it all and continues to hold HER pc's daily. I say her because it's all about her.
I really hope the OPP know what they're doing and this whole sick mess is resolved soon.
Edited to add: And if she is in no way involved then she should be ashamed for taking advantage of the situation by making it the Tara Show.
juliekan
04-29-2009, 05:14 PM
Didn't Tara always refer to "her" or "she" when speaking about the mystery benefactor?
Yesterday in the PC, she was saying "they"
Hope4Tori
04-29-2009, 05:22 PM
Isn't this woman cop from Woodstock? I don't understand why OPP is not giving these conferences.
Another waste of time. I agree, Hope4Tori. Interest is waning. Personally, I'm getting fed up with no information from LE and Tara taking the spotlight when it should be about Tori.
Many of the chat folks made some very good points.
Family don't wear Tori tshirts
No pleas to the abductor
The cop was handing out the flyer. Why didn't Tara do it?
Hey n/t :smile:
I haven't seen the press conference but from a CTV online report it states as follows: ""We received the information, we looked into it and it doesn't cause us concern," Const. Laurie-Anne Maitland, spokesperson for the Oxford Community Police, told reporters Wednesday afternoon during a news conference." - with regards to the alleged anonymous donor.
I'm with you - fed up with getting next to no clarification - everything is left hanging - talk about vague!:confused:
Every question just leads to more questions - where is the answer that wil bring Tori home??
Gotta run - will catch up later. I will hope there will be wonderful news about Tori the next time I check in!:smile:
girlfriday
04-29-2009, 05:40 PM
Thanks Streeter for the play by play of the PC! This is so strange! Just,WOW. This is beginning to look like a Hoax, and the key players are Tara's side of the family. :cursing: I do think this donor meeting is a set-up by LE. Operation "rope a dope".
Well, if so - wouldn't you have loved to be a fly on the mini-bar in that limo watching the loose canons go off :laugh:
virgogal
04-29-2009, 05:47 PM
Rodney was extremely anxious today...could it be that Tara has been asked not to reveal anything but that the focus could be on DAD??
Just a thought!
Orleaner12
04-29-2009, 06:29 PM
Rodney was extremely anxious today...could it be that Tara has been asked not to reveal anything but that the focus could be on DAD??
Just a thought!
I don't think Rodney has the smarts to pull something like this off especially for this length of time..he seems the sort who would have cracked long ago.. now Tara and the one behind her today....well that's another story..if this does involve the family I don't think Tara is the mastermind...It's funny that the police feel she is still alive...that goes against what other police forces say about a kidnapped child if not found within 24-48 hours...that almost leads me to believe that she is just stored away somewhere until the $$$$ start pouring in...
virgogal
04-29-2009, 06:55 PM
I read some chat on one of the other boards FLP I think...where a girl claiming to be a friend of Tara's and stated that The police had told Tara she was not behaving like a mother of an abdocted child and that Tara's response was Well how am I supposed to behave? Where is the script?
That's mighty defensive!
I think a more appropriate response toward the people who are tirelessly trying to find your daughter might be more like "What did Ido wong?? Please tell me! I'll do anything to help you find my baby!"
BeetlebrowII
04-29-2009, 07:21 PM
Thanks Streeter for the play by play of the PC! This is so strange! Just,WOW. This is beginning to look like a Hoax, and the key players are Tara's side of the family. :cursing: I do think this donor meeting is a set-up by LE. Operation "rope a dope".
OMG...........:biggrin::thumbsup:
That just made me laugh out loud. Thank you Lovethechild, I needed that.
bkqueen
04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
My goodness I have not been at this place in ages, but since this one hits a little closer to home, thought I would drop in.
My husband grew up near Woodstock, and we both lived and worked there when we met about 4-5 years ago.
I'll start by saying that it doesn't surprise me that LE are keeping this close to the chest, Canadian poloce, in my experience, do that by nature. It seems that there is a lot more behind the scenes police work than there is in the US, but that could be just because I really only read about pretty high profile US cases too, not sure. I am also really glad that the OPP took over. I have the utmost respect for 99% of police officers out there, but I have absolutely no respect for Oxford Police. My roommates and I were physically and verbally assaulted by Woodstocks "finest" although of course our complaints went unnoticed and/or unresponded to.
In Taras neighbourhood in Woodstock(hell in ANY neighbourhood in Woodstock) a limo would be more than noticed, people would MOST definite notice a limo, no question.
The reports of her going to the bar I'm curious about because I've seen conflicting reports, so if anyone can clarify that would be great. I've read that she was at two different places not sure if she was at one or the other, or both.
Place 1: Crabby Joe's - a chain restaurant, pub food, you know the type. Yes there is a bar, but it is not a 'bar', imo. I can quite easily see that it could have been a benefit or even just going out for dinner.
Place 2: Good Time Charlies - trashy, nasty hell-hole that would not surprise if Tara were there. I went there once, and wished I could have bleached and/or burnt my clothes afterwards. If Tara were there, there is no question as to what she was doing there.
With the whole thing yesterday and her "someone was being mildly vindictive"(who knew your child being kidnapped was only 'mildly vindictive' I wonder what someone will do if they truly hate her) I really think she is setting up for one friend to get the reward, and then for Tori to 'miraculously' be found, kidnapper nowhere to be found. Money gets split, drug debts get paid off and everyone is happy.
Maybe I'm wrong, for the kids sake, I truly hope I am, but I don't think so.
I also wanted to add that there is quite a TON of forest, and farmland in the area, even within the city limits, including quite a big park near her neighbourhood. The park itself is fairly open, but there are a lot of trails,etc. in nearby forests. I lived in the middle of downtown and I remember there being woods almost directly in our backyard where a body was found while we lived there(we lived right in sketchy-ville) although it did turn out to be a suicide.
Anyway, not sure if any of that is really helpful, but if anyone has any questions i might be able to answer..
I have to say when this all started, I really thought it might be a stranger abduction, woodstock is a pretty sketchy place, in my experience. Within a week of moving into our apartment we had our house arsoned, we had been assaulted by the police, and they had found a body in our backyard. Drugs are a HUGE problem as well, which I still think could have played a part, I just don't think it was a 'stranger' anymore.
EDIT: Sorry this was crazy long! and I am LMAO at the fact that I apparently only have 43 posts.. oh if that were only true.
Kinetic, thanks for the links!
Please remember to post them on the links thread as well for easier referencing. :thumbsup:
Tori's mom spins 'crazy' tale of ransom, limo (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/04/29/9285776-sun.html)
By RANDY RICHMOND, LONDON FREE PRESS
The London Free Press
Read what this retired policeman has to say about the whole limo and benefactor incident.
"It's ridiculous," said Dave Perry, a former Toronto police officer with 27 years experience.
Perry questioned the idea of ransom being part of the abduction at all.
"I find it odd she (McDonald) would be walking down that road, talking about ransom. Are they going to take that child from that family for money? A ransom, you have to have the ability to pay."
The focus on the investigation is likely still a family dispute, not a random kidnapping, Perry said.
"That's what I would be focusing on."
Yup...I posted that earlier. He's right. The limo ransom bit is bogus, imo!
Welcome back, bk! Good to have someone who was from the area give us some insight.
I honestly don't know what to think anymore. This case is making me just as crazy as Haleigh's case. Sadly, I gave up trying to figure out what may have happened to that little girl. I still hope and pray she's alive but it was nuts trying to follow it.
I sense the same thing here. Law Enforcement is not saying much, they're checking landfills and water, the family is all over the place.....we just don't know what to believe anymore :sad:
juliekan
04-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Thanks so much bkqueen!
bkqueen
04-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Thanks for the welcome :) It's been a while! It's funny to still probably be the baby of this place, but hey I started posting here when I was 17 or so! :tongueside:
I've always found Woodstock to be such an odd place, it's a huge mix between really nice communities, and really awful ones. I lived one street over from my then boyfriend(now hubby). I lived between a tax place, a drug supply store and a porn/sextoy store. He lived one street over and lived next to a B&B on one side, and a spa on the other. And I mean we could literally yell from his balcony to my front door. A lot of the older brick buildings just look really run down, and boarded up,etc. Of course, this was a few years ago, so who knows how things have changed. I don't think we have been there more than once since we moved here, and we drive by about 4 times a year. My old apartment went from a homeless shelter, to my apartment, to a internet cafe, to a bowling alley, who knows what it is now.
I've actually always been surprised there was not more crime going on there, at least from the people I met. I really really hope she is ok. Is it sad that I almost hope it is someone she knows? Maybe she doesn't even know whats going on.
Lovethechild
04-29-2009, 09:36 PM
OMG...........:biggrin::thumbsup:
That just made me laugh out loud. Thank you Lovethechild, I needed that.
YW :smile:
virgogal
04-29-2009, 09:59 PM
Found this posted on another site...creepy!
http://art-investment.demo-research.com/psychic-sterling-sinclair-2nd-tori-stafford-auracature-and-message-april-29-2009
Found this posted on another site...creepy!
http://art-investment.demo-research.com/psychic-sterling-sinclair-2nd-tori-stafford-auracature-and-message-april-29-2009
That is creepy. Gave me chills.
virgogal
04-29-2009, 11:53 PM
I Agree...I have no idea about this guy's accuracy...but it still sounded creepy when I read it!
It's awfully quiet around here tonight!
virgogal
04-30-2009, 12:04 AM
I found the whole interview quite odd...Tara looking at Rodney with such contempt and then the phone voice message being Wierd NO realistic!
Then Rodney slipped up and said it was a man's voice...then the outburst from her brother who I swear I heard her call Dad!!
They are cracking up over SOMETHING!
I find it creepy not because I believe the psychic but because I think, as a parent, that even though I know Tori is out there somewhere and is probably scared I just can't let myself think of any of that because it's just so horrible. The psychic saying she was cold made me realize that she could be and she should be at home sleeping and waiting to go to school and play with her friends.
I think that's why there's a part of me that hopes her family did do all this for money or something like that because then maybe she is ok
I think this case is getting to me more because it's so close to home.
Sorry for the long post
moonlite
04-30-2009, 12:16 AM
This case gets more and more bizarre everyday. Police are offering a $50,000 reward? Why now? Strange that they did this after Tara's story about the mysterious donor.
I get the feeling that they're closing in on a possible suspect. Someone is going to slip up soon.
Greetings
N/T'
I agree it's only a matter of time before someone slips up!!! I just hope Tori, is found safe and sound. Maybe the police are trying to defuse the story of limo driver? What I mean if it was a setup by police, offering up a reward now could take the eyes of public off mysterious donor?
Moonlite
virgogal
04-30-2009, 12:23 AM
The Shannon Matthews case was 'cracked' after a newspaper (along with the police) posted a 50,000 pound reward, I believe!
The police found the child but it came out in the trial the Uncle was going to 'find her' and then split the reward money with the mother..(who he was having an afffair with!)
nova1998
04-30-2009, 12:28 AM
Yesterday I found a fifth person entering a frame in the video surveillance. I spent time going through different ones frame by frame, and found a few points which may or may not be of interest. I'll be posting them up shortly.
virgogal
04-30-2009, 12:29 AM
Thanks! Look forward to that Nova!
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 12:32 AM
If someone out there does have info about Tori they are more likely to come forward, now that the ante has been upped by the police than take chances on the farfetched story that Tara is putting out there. Thing is, how sad is it if someone is holding back info about Tori by waiting for the highest offer.
virgogal
04-30-2009, 12:37 AM
It's ALL farfetched! I wonder what tomorrow's news conference will hold??
moonlite
04-30-2009, 12:39 AM
Tori's mom spins 'crazy' tale of ransom, limo (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/04/29/9285776-sun.html)
By RANDY RICHMOND, LONDON FREE PRESS
The London Free Press
Read what this retired policeman has to say about the whole limo and benefactor incident.
"It's ridiculous," said Dave Perry, a former Toronto police officer with 27 years experience.
Perry questioned the idea of ransom being part of the abduction at all.
"I find it odd she (McDonald) would be walking down that road, talking about ransom. Are they going to take that child from that family for money? A ransom, you have to have the ability to pay."
The focus on the investigation is likely still a family dispute, not a random kidnapping, Perry said.
"That's what I would be focusing on."
Greetings'
Kinetic"
I think it's kind of interesting how Mr. Perry said; family dispute? I would really like to know more of his thoughts on the case.
Moonlite
virgogal
04-30-2009, 12:51 AM
I caught that too! Certainly interesting!!
Maybe Tara thought...Well fine...if you won't pay child support...I'll show you!!??
nova1998
04-30-2009, 12:54 AM
First, links to these 3 super-cropped and enhanced videos, if no one has seen these ones yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_G7oH2iQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go19c89eIGc
Watching these frame by frame, I was confident that there was no stripe going down the back of the jacket, nor any backpack, nor any handbag being carried on her left hand side. It does appear from the videos in the links above, though, that she is wearing a jacket that has a type of loosely elasticated waist at the back or one with some kind of drawstring at going through the back.
The next link coming up shortly..
virgogal
04-30-2009, 01:03 AM
GREAT job Nova! It does not look like she has a bag at all!
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 01:03 AM
I found the whole interview quite odd...Tara looking at Rodney with such contempt and then the phone voice message being Wierd NO realistic!
Then Rodney slipped up and said it was a man's voice...then the outburst from her brother who I swear I heard her call Dad!!
They are cracking up over SOMETHING!
She did say "Dad"...I think even "Daddy"...but she was addressing her dad (her Dad was walking up the porch behind the brother - when the brother was on camera).
Just wanted to let you know you weren't hearing things as I heard it too and had to rewind to catch that.
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 01:05 AM
Found this posted on another site...creepy!
http://art-investment.demo-research.com/psychic-sterling-sinclair-2nd-tori-stafford-auracature-and-message-april-29-2009
Sounds way too contrived to me.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 01:11 AM
GREAT job Nova! It does not look like she has a bag at all!
Just to let you know, I didn't make them- although I wish I had that skill. Those were the only versions I found, all on YouTube.
My thoughts on the next link which I'll be posting up soon are only speculative. I did some outside research today (literally outside) to help out with what I was thinking and it did seem to correlate.
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 01:18 AM
Thank you for posting them..it does seem that there is no bag and from what I could see the jacket seems to be nipped in at the waist. I wouldn't be surprised if this video has been analysed by either our RCMP or perhaps sent to the FBI. I'm not sure if it was just the poor quality of the video or not but it almost seemed to me that the woman was wearing her hair tied back and it seemed to be falling over her left shoulder as if her hair was very long. I don't think Tara's hair is that long.
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 01:24 AM
I heard her say JohnJohn actually.
.
respectfully snipped.
I listened to the press conference again. At 18:52 - 18:55 minutes Tara says "Dad.....Daddy"....as her father walks behind her brother (while her brother is on camera speaking).
I'm certain of that.
...but of course, you could be kidding... JohnJohn... now that is funny :D
Skraps
04-30-2009, 01:24 AM
OMG I am up to April 29th - almost caught up!
I feel like I am reading a bestselling novel.
You guys are super sleuths!
>>>reading, BBS
nova1998
04-30-2009, 01:37 AM
Now, here is the link for the main video which I will be discussing over the next few posts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY6GQVJz3HE
The total length of it is 1:02 minutes long.
At the 25 second mark you will see the fifth figure entering the frame. Based on the measurements I took of the first boy, he appeared to be a boy of the same height.
I compared this to other videos, and they all appeared to be edited and didn't include this. And unless you are doing it frame by frame, you will miss it because it happens in just a split second.
streeter
04-30-2009, 01:37 AM
I heard "dad" and "daddy."
Brother is a bully. JMO. He didn't do her any favours. They want it both ways, don't they? They want the press there, but they want to control the press.
I also wonder why Maitland is still speaking to the investigation updates. I wonder if it's so that she can "play dumb" when asked the questions like "is mom a suspect." She says "I have no knowledge of that" and it's the truth, because she isn't on the front line of the investigation since the OPP took over. :confused:
Sylvia Browne is a well-documented fraud. Search "Sylvia Browne wrong" on YouTube to watch all her screw-ups. I would hate to see her involved in this case and exploiting Tori. Of course she would charge -- I've read upwards of $700/hour.
juliekan
04-30-2009, 01:40 AM
First, links to these 3 super-cropped and enhanced videos, if no one has seen these ones yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_G7oH2iQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go19c89eIGc
Watching these frame by frame, I was confident that there was no stripe going down the back of the jacket, nor any backpack, nor any handbag being carried on her left hand side. It does appear from the videos in the links above, though, that she is wearing a jacket that has a type of loosely elasticated waist at the back or one with some kind of drawstring at going through the back.
The next link coming up shortly..
Well obviously I've been online too long today....I sat back relaxing and watched these photos and as they got more zoomed in I saw very scary pictures. You know those pics you look at that they tell you "see the pretty young girl?" You know that's what the pic is of. Then they say ok relax your eyes and then see if you can see the old crone. Then you can see it. Yikes gotta go to bed.
Blessings to Tori and all those that love her.
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 01:42 AM
Now, here is the link for the main video which I will be discussing over the next few posts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY6GQVJz3HE
The total length of it is 1:02 minutes long.
At the 25 second mark you will see the fifth figure entering the frame. Based on the measurements I took of the first boy, he appeared to be a boy of the same height.
I compared this to other videos, and they all appeared to be edited and didn't include this. And unless you are doing it frame by frame, you will miss it because it happens in just a split second.
Have you looked at all the frames individually? How do you down load the footage? ...I'd like to look at the frames after they pass by the man.
virgogal
04-30-2009, 01:49 AM
I see the fifth person...but you have to be FAST! Anyway to slow them down?
nova1998
04-30-2009, 01:55 AM
Have you looked at all the frames individually? How do you down load the footage? ...I'd like to look at the frames after they pass by the man.
I did look at each frame one by one - and believe me my eyes hurt. I just used the "play" button above the ratings star.To get each frame, or as close to it as you can, you need to click the "play" button twice very very quickly (basically this way you are starting it then putting it on pause again).
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 01:55 AM
I did see that fifth person but I think it just may be the same boy walking towards his father/mother and somehow it was flipped in when they were showing the video over. Could be wrong though.. After watching it I wonder now if what I took for long tied back hair over shoulder could actually be a black scarf.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 01:56 AM
I see the fifth person...but you have to be FAST! Anyway to slow them down?
Click on the "play" button twice, very quickly. This starts the video but then quickly puts it back on pause. When you want to see the next frame/tiny portion, click on the "play" button again twice, very very quickly, and so on.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 01:58 AM
I did see that fifth person but I think it just may be the same boy walking towards his father/mother and somehow it was flipped in when they were showing the video over. Could be wrong though.. After watching it I wonder now if what I took for long tied back hair over shoulder could actually be a black scarf.
I thought about that too, but then look at the time between the 17th second and 19th second - the first boy looks back..as if the second boy is calling him, or someone else ahead.
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 02:00 AM
I just have to say that after seeing the video which is much clearer than what I had previously seen there is no doubt in my mind that Tori knew exactly who she was walking with and this was no stranger to her. It may have been her Mother's double:wink:
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 02:04 AM
I thought about that too, but then look at the time between the 17th second and 19th second - the first boy looks back..as if the second boy is calling him, or someone else ahead.
okay have rewatched it again and it does seem that the first boy is looking back at someone who does appear briefly.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:13 AM
I just have to say that after seeing the video which is much clearer than what I had previously seen there is no doubt in my mind that Tori knew exactly who she was walking with and this was no stranger to her. It may have been her Mother's double:wink:
Take a look at these frames - the tenth second to the seventeenth second. Does the boy not look like he's been running and is starting to slow down? When you compare this video to other videos which are in slower motion, you don't see it. This speed of the people in this video seemed closest to natural speed as I could find.
My impression was that this movements were quicker than the woman/girl, and that possibly he was trying to catch up to them.
It appeared like he was running into the first few frames. I used a still photograph of the brother and sister together - I opened it up on a separate screen and zoomed it down to a tiny size so that the head of the boy was the more or less the same size as the one in the video - I compared the height ratio to the same point of reference on the video, and they were very, very similar. I was beginning to wonder if this was in fact the brother.
virgogal
04-30-2009, 02:22 AM
That's interesting...maybe you should contact the OPP with this?
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:26 AM
From the 10th second to the 13th second, the woman is basically looking in front of her.
However, from the forteenth second to the 15th second her head begins to turn to the right.
From the 15th second to the 18th second, she has her head turned towards the man. I thought she may have been checking to her right for traffic before crossing. However, I went outside today, and just stood about quite aways from the curb. When people did prepare to cross to the other side they made a sharp twist to turn around and check to see behind them. She moved her head, but no twisting. I think she know the man and was talking to him. He didn't appear to react - but that might be plausible if there was some fighting going on. If she was saying something rude to him he may have just ignored her. The opposite could be plausible as well - "Hey we're going to the store. Want anything? Alright, see you in a bit!" The girl also didn't "physically" react as she passed - I looked for a wave or something but no. However, that doesn't mean no exchange happened. The girl and man could have exchanged something in a verbal sense.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:31 AM
At the 22nd second mark, the woman does seem to extend her right arm backwards, but that might meant she was going to hold the girl's hand while crossing the street. You can almost barely not see this.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:36 AM
At the 22nd and 23rd second mark- the boy reaches out with his right arm and appears to touch the man. The man then appears to adjust the boy's hat, or I thought, perhaps glasses, if the boy was indeed wearing them.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:50 AM
And back to this link again, one of the supercropped videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E&feature=channel
From the 24th second to the 41st second, it appears that she is focussed on the man. Logically speaking, if she were a stranger or acquaintance trying to abduct this child, she would be looking away or down, or covering up her hand a little with her face as she passed. I think she knows him and is saying something to him.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:56 AM
Hey nova1998
Go to 411.ca and type in the last name Jacklin and see what street name you get for the person living on that street.
Made me go hmmmm......
wow - what a find. Thanks! I just checked the map - that's where they would have been crossing.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 02:57 AM
You never know, they may have gone in there.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 03:12 AM
After watching the videos, and getting the feeling there might be a little more happening in them, I thought about the mother's original statement, her whole starting point of everything - that the son arrived home at 4:15 p.m. and the sister wasn't with him.
This is her starting point. However, looking back at past cases of husbands and boyfriends whose wives/boyfriends were reported missing, it was always their opening lines which were found to be false - and these were the opening lines from which the rest of their fabricated stories flowed. What if that is the son there, in the video, and he actually did go home after school, and there was no assisting disabled students. Why start with the 4:15 p.m. point? Maybe to make it appear that he was elsewhere, to distract people away from any notion that it is him in the video.
moonlite
04-30-2009, 03:22 AM
She is covering up her eyes, the windows to her soul. She is lying, I'm sure of that. Her statements so far are so totally out there, LE needs to bring her IN. NOW.
She didn't think this would 'get this huge this fast'
Tori is miserable right now
She was unhappy. She said.
She feels that in her gut she is OK
She thinks that dealing with these people on the internet, physic "detectives" makes her sound credible, or smart.
She is dead wrong. This child was probably killed by her mother, if not, she has her stashed somewhere.
She is also on the internet 24/7. Her PC and herself need to be trotted down to the station, like yesterday.
That's what I think. She LOVES the attention. This is her movie of the week, lifetime and book deals.
Greetings'
Bugout"
I agree and said all along. The police need to stop playing her game and just bring her in. I'm talking the police need to be aggressively questioning this woman. I would like to see her take the lie detector test again, too.
I don't think at this point it could hurt. I think if she is innocent it may clear up a few things.
Moonlite
nova1998
04-30-2009, 03:29 AM
Greetings"
Kinetic"
I thought Tara had a boyfriend?? To me this sounds like she looking for a date?? Did I miss something? Is this old or something?
Moonlite
I thought it might just be someone taking the piss...
nova1998
04-30-2009, 03:37 AM
If I am correct - and I am still trying to verify it - the video came out first, and then her "4:15p.m." starting point came out second. This would make sense - although no faces can clearly be seen, it would "take the son right out of the picture", so to speak.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 03:42 AM
I am so sorry to interupt you nova1998. You truly are doing a great a job!!
Just want you to know I was ready to go to bed, and thought I'd look at the FB wall to see if people are still being ruthless, and I came across that one person's post.
Then the link from the websleuths and when I saw that POF profile, my jaw dropped.
I seriously can't believe this :ohmy:
Thanks Kinetic, I wish my eyes didn't hurt so much now from all those frames...
moonlite
04-30-2009, 03:45 AM
And back to this link again, one of the supercropped videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E&feature=channel
From the 24th second to the 41st second, it appears that she is focussed on the man. Logically speaking, if she were a stranger or acquaintance trying to abduct this child, she would be looking away or down, or covering up her hand a little with her face as she passed. I think she knows him and is saying something to him.
Greetings"
Nova1998"
I like your logic. I'm wondering when the police might have some kind of logic about this case. I'm not trying to slam on the police!! I just wish I understood their logic of ignoring things? Maybe, they are not ingnoring, but just waiting??
I live in a city relative in size to Woodstock. I know my police force around here are very good. We went through a case of missing children that involved a serial killer. The police were silent on allot of things. However' I must add, it was a total stranger abduction.
I don't think the police in my area or maybe they would put up with Tara this long.IMO" I mean if they were trying to weed someone out.
Moonlite
moonlite
04-30-2009, 03:52 AM
I thought it might just be someone taking the piss...
Greetings'
Nova1998"
What is the piss?? I'm not sure I understand"
Moonlite
nova1998
04-30-2009, 03:56 AM
Greetings"
Nova1998"
I like your logic. I'm wondering when the police might have some kind of logic about this case. I'm not trying to slam on the police!! I just wish I understood their logic of ignoring things? Maybe, they are not ingnoring, but just waiting??
I live in a city relative in size to Woodstock. I know my police force around here are very good. We went through a case of missing children that involved a serial killer. The police were silent on allot of things. However' I must add, it was a total stranger abduction.
I don't think the police in my area or maybe they would put up with Tara this long.IMO" I mean if they were trying to weed someone out.
Moonlite
Thanks Moonlite ... I actually study probability theory ,lines of reasoning , and common fallacies, so many of my ideas are based on stuff like that. The police do, I'm sure, have some kind of idea, as they have had profilers and many investigators analyzing it. I might not say logic of ignoring, but rather, logic of not approaching.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 04:04 AM
Greetings'
Nova1998"
What is the piss?? I'm not sure I understand"
Moonlite
My old British and Australian co-workers used to use this all the time -
it's slang for being sarcastic/ridiculing someone. You might also hear "I think someone is taking the mickey." - they both mean the same.
It's a possibility that someone may have made that dating page up just as a joke and is being sarcastic..
nova1998
04-30-2009, 04:09 AM
Oh nova, get some rest!!! Your poor eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!
The message board of the 27th & 28th, it's locked now, I posted a map of the area Tori was last seen and wrote out your theory.
Was wondering if you saw that at all?
It would be near the very last pages of that locked thread.
I am definitely going now...No, I've never checked it out, but will tommorrow..
streeter
04-30-2009, 04:11 AM
Hi, Nova! Take care -- you're going to get all buggy-eyed from those blurry frames! :blink::laugh:
I think the cops have probably talked to more people than the dad in the video. Remember that the portion of the video that was released was only the pertinent section showing Tori and her abductor, and the cops probably watched the camera's video for many minutes before and after Tori walked through it, watching for potential witnesses. So, even though we see just a flash of a fifth figure, the police have seen that figure advance through the screen just as Tori did, and their movements are known to the police.
There are probably other cameras in the area that have been seized, so they would have an idea of where they *didn't* go with Tori.
I am thankful that there is some video evidence for the OPP to go back on, because I still am very doubtful of the quality of the investigation over the first week of Tori's disappearance.
moonlite
04-30-2009, 04:11 AM
Thanks Moonlite ... I actually study probability theory ,lines of reasoning , and common fallacies, so many of my ideas are based on stuff like that. The police do, I'm sure, have some kind of idea, as they have had profilers and many investigators analyzing it. I might not say logic of ignoring, but rather, logic of not approaching.
Greetings"
Nova1998"
Yes' I can understand a logic of not approaching something. I did take a few criminal behavior courses in my under graduate degree" I'm all business in my Masters' though. I deal with numbers, logic, stuff that just makes sense or can be proven. What is Piss mean? I'm at loss with that? I went to school with some profilers and I would already bet what they would be saying about now.IMO I could be way off' but somehow' in my gut' I just don't think so. Tara' needs to be brought in for questioning.
Moonlite
MoonFlwr
04-30-2009, 04:12 AM
For those who would like to watch the pcs again or if you haven't.
Victoria Stafford Press Conference 2009.04.29 (http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress/ondemand/pla_5563745588293222170?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chv2lfpress/2009/04/29/0457c8aa-fe42-4185-af4f-5ee55a6ee351_730.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3)
LE Press Conference 2009.04.29 (http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress/ondemand/pla_642945102030500051?initthumburl=http://mogulus-user-files.s3.amazonaws.com/chv2lfpress/2009/04/29/bfc71d01-ef7b-4597-849d-a9d61a94bf12_280.jpg&playeraspectwidth=4&playeraspectheight=3)
Ah, thank you! Just what I was scanning the thread for! (I can't watch the Press Conferences live).
Going to watch, now!
Thanks, again! :smile:
moonlite
04-30-2009, 04:23 AM
Hi, Nova! Take care -- you're going to get all buggy-eyed from those blurry frames! :blink::laugh:
I think the cops have probably talked to more people than the dad in the video. Remember that the portion of the video that was released was only the pertinent section showing Tori and her abductor, and the cops probably watched the camera's video for many minutes before and after Tori walked through it, watching for potential witnesses. So, even though we see just a flash of a fifth figure, the police have seen that figure advance through the screen just as Tori did, and their movements are known to the police.
There are probably other cameras in the area that have been seized, so they would have an idea of where they *didn't* go with Tori.
I am thankful that there is some video evidence for the OPP to go back on, because I still am very doubtful of the quality of the investigation over the first week of Tori's disappearance.
Greetings"
Streeter"
Yep' I do agree' I think the OPP' are just maybe biding time here"IMO
I still think they need to haul Tori's mom in and question her!!! I think if the OPP' would stop treating her with kid gloves would be great!!!
Tori, then might be home or found" IMO I mean, if something did happen" well I don't want to go there. I do think the police are smart'
Moonlite
moonlite
04-30-2009, 04:59 AM
Greetings"
Streeter"
Yep' I do agree' I think the OPP' are just maybe biding time here"IMO
I still think they need to haul Tori's mom in and question her!!! I think if the OPP' would stop treating her with kid gloves would be great!!!
Tori, then might be home or found" IMO I mean, if something did happen" well I don't want to go there. I do think the police are smart'
Moonlite
Greetings"
Streeter"
Please someone go back to the press conference' before it starts"ok"
There is a woman there' brown hair flips under' who is that person" she has on sunglasses' seems to hide from the camera.IMO Who is this?
Her body language" Something is not right here.. She has a jacket on.. Can anyone tell me who she is??? Is that a wig??
Moonlite
moonlite
04-30-2009, 05:20 AM
My old British and Australian co-workers used to use this all the time -
it's slang for being sarcastic/ridiculing someone. You might also hear "I think someone is taking the mickey." - they both mean the same.
It's a possibility that someone may have made that dating page up just as a joke and is being sarcastic..
Greetings"
Nova1998"
Thank you so much for the clarification. I simply never heard the term before. So now' my question, why would someone make up such a story?
Enlighten me of why" OK I'm might be having one of my blonde moments here"" But does Woodstock view Tori's mom like this?
Moonlite
moonlite
04-30-2009, 05:30 AM
My old British and Australian co-workers used to use this all the time -
it's slang for being sarcastic/ridiculing someone. You might also hear "I think someone is taking the mickey." - they both mean the same.
It's a possibility that someone may have made that dating page up just as a joke and is being sarcastic..
Greetings"
Nova1998"
If someone would say "mickey" to me here in the U.S.A, I would be thinking drugs. There does seem to be some wording differences.LOL
Moonlite
Who stayed with Daryn when mom, bf, brother and gf went on the limo ride?
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The individual sent a limousine to pick up MacDonald, her brother, boyfriend and best friend to bring them to the Sheraton Hotel by Pearson International Airport, Macdonald said yesterday.
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090429/Stafford_missing_090429/20090429/?hub=TorontoNewHome
True.
Feeling kind of stupid now because I should've checked the address of the nursing home first.
I must've missed something. Does the nursing home have any relevance? Do they know anyone there?
Off to view the cropped videos nova posted.:blink:
I see the fifth person...but you have to be FAST! Anyway to slow them down?
I don't see a 5th. person.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 09:57 AM
Greetings"
Nova1998"
Thank you so much for the clarification. I simply never heard the term before. So now' my question, why would someone make up such a story?
Enlighten me of why" OK I'm might be having one of my blonde moments here"" But does Woodstock view Tori's mom like this?
Moonlite
Hi Moonlite,
Why might have someone made up the dating page? Most probably, if that is what happened, to suggestively and indirectly point the finger at her. The picture is very suggestive (if I am correct and that is the son). Some of the "personal info" details which were typed in were very suggestive (ex: Do you want children? Answer: No, I do not want children.) The lingerie picture is suggestive, almost putting her in a negative light. So, whereas I write out my theories more directly, making up something like this could be someone else's indirect way of putting out their theory. That's if in fact it was made up. It's hard to tell and difficult to verify.
As for public opinion towards her in Woodstock, it's hard to say. The mother often refers to the rumors and gossip going around town (like all the drug debts), so I assume quite a bit is not in her favor. I think that if a reporter walked around asking for people's opinions as to what happened, most people would most likely be polite and supportive-sounding. It would be behind closed doors or places like the bar, or the hairdresser's where you would likely hear what people really thought.
iveyguy
04-30-2009, 10:06 AM
Who stayed with Daryn when mom, bf, brother and gf went on the limo ride?
According to Tara's Tuesday PC, they picked up Daryn at the grandmother's after they returned from Toronto and went for a ride around town - that's when she took pictures on her iPhone. So I'm guessing he was there the whole time -- she said they left town at 5 pm, returned aroun 11 pm.
iveyguy
04-30-2009, 10:17 AM
Hi Moonlite,
Why might have someone made up the dating page? Most probably, if that is what happened, to suggestively and indirectly point the finger at her.
I don't know Nova. It's been reported that she and boyfriend have had an "off an on" relationship for a couple of years, and the profile itself is pretty standard, except for a grainy picture of her in a bra, which certainly isn't uncommon in internet dating.
I just think if someone was going to "mickey her" or make this up, they'd write something different in the About Me section. Here's what's written:
"Hi there! I am a 30 year old single mom of two. I enjoy music and concerts, movies, camping, going to the gym, cooking, baking, barbeques . Looking to find someone who is independant, loves life and family."
I mean... it just doesn't seem very damanging to me. I think it's legit.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 10:28 AM
She did say "Dad"...I think even "Daddy"...but she was addressing her dad (her Dad was walking up the porch behind the brother - when the brother was on camera).
Just wanted to let you know you weren't hearing things as I heard it too and had to rewind to catch that.
As much as I have a hard time believing ANYTHING that comes out of Tara's mouth, I noticed that it was only her brother & father on the porch.
She did call him Daddy. When she was talking about her brother & boyfriend, she was just saying who she had taken the limo ride with, to justify her actions...
days of yore
04-30-2009, 10:38 AM
Tori's mom spins 'crazy' tale of ransom, limo (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/04/29/9285776-sun.html)
By RANDY RICHMOND, LONDON FREE PRESS
The London Free Press
Read what this retired policeman has to say about the whole limo and benefactor incident.
"It's ridiculous," said Dave Perry, a former Toronto police officer with 27 years experience.
Perry questioned the idea of ransom being part of the abduction at all.
"I find it odd she (McDonald) would be walking down that road, talking about ransom. Are they going to take that child from that family for money? A ransom, you have to have the ability to pay."
The focus on the investigation is likely still a family dispute, not a random kidnapping, Perry said.
"That's what I would be focusing on."
I agree. Didn't Tara say at the beginning, that Tori was to see her father that night??:sneaky:
nova1998
04-30-2009, 10:51 AM
I think the cops have probably talked to more people than the dad in the video. Remember that the portion of the video that was released was only the pertinent section showing Tori and her abductor, and the cops probably watched the camera's video for many minutes before and after Tori walked through it, watching for potential witnesses. So, even though we see just a flash of a fifth figure, the police have seen that figure advance through the screen just as Tori did, and their movements are known to the police.
There are probably other cameras in the area that have been seized, so they would have an idea of where they *didn't* go with Tori.
I am thankful that there is some video evidence for the OPP to go back on, because I still am very doubtful of the quality of the investigation over the first week of Tori's disappearance.
I completely agree with respect to lots more video footage and lots of speaking to people who were there. For me, the significance of the fifth person was that the street didn't seem to be underpopulated at all, so to speak, reinforcing, for me, that this wasn't a stranger abduction; it would just seem too risky for them.
Where I diverge is about the man and first young boy in the video. This is going right out there to say this, ....but I believe that this may very well be the son himself and most likely the BF in the video. It would make good sense to me. At the time the missings report was filed, they wouldn't have known about the video, and it was the video, released the next day, that threw a kink into everything. Should their faces have been recognizable, they would have been caught red-handed in a blatant lie, and it would pretty much be game over for them. So, they had to play the abduction card. The family didn't give any press interviews at the beginning, at it was ony AFTER the video came out (I believe, but
I am going back to double check earlier police comments) that she established the 4:15p.m. timeframe (that the brother came home at 4:15p.m. after helping out some disabled kids and the sister wasn't with him). If my feeling is correct (and I'll be the first person to say I'm wrong if it is the case) and that it is the four of them in the video, then this timeframe given by the mother would be used to solely make it appear that it is not the son in the video(i.e. if he came home at 4:15, then it couldn't have been him). This is solely a speculative theory. The contents of the original police statement are unknown - she very well may have said the 4:15 p.m. timeframe in it. But perhaps not, which may be another thing the police are aware of.
nova1998
04-30-2009, 10:53 AM
I agree. Didn't Tara say at the beginning, that Tori was to see her father that night??:sneaky:
That's correct. She was supposed to come home with a couple of friends to watch High School Musical 3, then the biological dad was to pick her up whenever they finished watching it.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by nova1998
"First, links to these 3 super-cropped and enhanced videos, if no one has seen these ones yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_G7oH2iQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go19c89eIGc
Watching these frame by frame, I was confident that there was no stripe going down the back of the jacket, nor any backpack, nor any handbag being carried on her left hand side. It does appear from the videos in the links above, though, that she is wearing a jacket that has a type of loosely elasticated waist at the back or one with some kind of drawstring at going through the back."
Interestingly, when I watch these super close ups of the video, it seems like the 'abductor' has orange streaks in her hair on the sides and sunglasses on her head. Hmmm...doesn't Tara have those type of streaks and has never been caught without sunglasses???
**Has anyone else noticed that Tara's hair is getting lighter and more reddish? Does this denote a hair rinse had been done a few weeks ago to make her hair appear darker at about the time of the abduction??**
nova1998
04-30-2009, 10:57 AM
I don't know Nova. It's been reported that she and boyfriend have had an "off an on" relationship for a couple of years, and the profile itself is pretty standard, except for a grainy picture of her in a bra, which certainly isn't uncommon in internet dating.
I just think if someone was going to "mickey her" or make this up, they'd write something different in the About Me section. Here's what's written:
"Hi there! I am a 30 year old single mom of two. I enjoy music and concerts, movies, camping, going to the gym, cooking, baking, barbeques . Looking to find someone who is independant, loves life and family."
I mean... it just doesn't seem very damanging to me. I think it's legit.
It may be in fact genuine. I'll have another look at it. It would be so interesting to find out when it was created!
days of yore
04-30-2009, 11:13 AM
Greetings"
Streeter"
Please someone go back to the press conference' before it starts"ok"
There is a woman there' brown hair flips under' who is that person" she has on sunglasses' seems to hide from the camera.IMO Who is this?
Her body language" Something is not right here.. She has a jacket on.. Can anyone tell me who she is??? Is that a wig??
Moonlite
Are you referring to the media person? I believe that she is a reporter. She has been at all of the press conferences in town and is seen during all of their setups. The London Free Press website has all of the unedited video from the time they arrive to a conference until tear down and she is seen in all of them.
streeter
04-30-2009, 11:21 AM
Good morning, all. I'm mad at the London Free Press this morning. :mad:
Got my coffee, checked CNN, Toronto Star, then London Free Press to check on Tori, and what do I see but this headline:
"Tori alive, police spokesperson says --see live streaming from Woodstock today at 1 p.m."
OMG I almost jumped off the couch and I said to DH "She's alive! They found her alive!"
Then I read the story. I was apparent in the first paragraph that they were merely referring to Maitland's statement yesterday that she believes Tori is still alive out there somewhere.
That's how rumours start, LFP. :punch: :no:
days of yore
04-30-2009, 11:30 AM
I don't know Nova. It's been reported that she and boyfriend have had an "off an on" relationship for a couple of years, and the profile itself is pretty standard, except for a grainy picture of her in a bra, which certainly isn't uncommon in internet dating.
I just think if someone was going to "mickey her" or make this up, they'd write something different in the About Me section. Here's what's written:
"Hi there! I am a 30 year old single mom of two. I enjoy music and concerts, movies, camping, going to the gym, cooking, baking, barbeques . Looking to find someone who is independant, loves life and family."
I mean... it just doesn't seem very damanging to me. I think it's legit.
Yah, it all sounds legit, until you get to the ethnicity part. Writing Caucausian with "MIXED HAIR COLOR" is pretty unusual. It didn't ask for hair and eye color, and this may indicate that someone is more than suspicous about the various colors of hair going on and making an underhanded slight to comparing the abductor's hair shown in the video.
Personally, I have made note of the fact that Tara's hair seems to be lightening as time goes on....
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 11:33 AM
Greetings"
Nova1998"
Yes' I can understand a logic of not approaching something. I did take a few criminal behavior courses in my under graduate degree" I'm all business in my Masters' though. I deal with numbers, logic, stuff that just makes sense or can be proven. What is Piss mean? I'm at loss with that? I went to school with some profilers and I would already bet what they would be saying about now.IMO I could be way off' but somehow' in my gut' I just don't think so. Tara' needs to be brought in for questioning.
Moonlite
Did anyone else catch that both Tara and Rodney do not seem to know how many times they have been bought in for questioning???
The reporter asked both "how many times have you gone to the police station and been formally interviewed?"
Rodney said uh.....I think maybe two times maybe.
Tara said uh...2 or 3 times.....:confused:
WHO would not remember being brought in and questioned by police!!.....unless of course it is a common occurance in their lives :tonguewag:
They seem to have difficulty answering even the most basic questions. Normally I would think they are being evasive but.......has anyone considered (this is just speculative) that their brains could be fried from drugs. Ugly as it sounds, they just seem to be so "out of it".
I almost don't want to watch another "press conference". I come away so frustrated.
JD1974
04-30-2009, 11:36 AM
But who else would have a photo of Tara in her bra?
:confused:
I hope this isn't another one of Tara's distraction tactics.
That picture is on Tara's FB as Valentine's pics.
From the 10th second to the 13th second, the woman is basically looking in front of her.
However, from the forteenth second to the 15th second her head begins to turn to the right.
From the 15th second to the 18th second, she has her head turned towards the man. I thought she may have been checking to her right for traffic before crossing. However, I went outside today, and just stood about quite aways from the curb. When people did prepare to cross to the other side they made a sharp twist to turn around and check to see behind them. She moved her head, but no twisting. I think she know the man and was talking to him. He didn't appear to react - but that might be plausible if there was some fighting going on. If she was saying something rude to him he may have just ignored her. The opposite could be plausible as well - "Hey we're going to the store. Want anything? Alright, see you in a bit!" The girl also didn't "physically" react as she passed - I looked for a wave or something but no. However, that doesn't mean no exchange happened. The girl and man could have exchanged something in a verbal sense.
Good find about the 5th person entering the scene.
In the above segment, it looks to me that the man has his back to the street and is looking down the sidewalk at the approaching figure. The woman turns her head to the right and possibly says something to Tori. The woman and the girl pass on the back side of the man. The woman looks at the man but would only see his backside as the man is still focused on the boy down the street.
This man (or at least someone claiming to be this man) came forward. He's the one who the police developed the sketch from. The man didn't want to be identified.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 11:48 AM
I don't know Nova. It's been reported that she and boyfriend have had an "off an on" relationship for a couple of years, and the profile itself is pretty standard, except for a grainy picture of her in a bra, which certainly isn't uncommon in internet dating.
I just think if someone was going to "mickey her" or make this up, they'd write something different in the About Me section. Here's what's written:
"Hi there! I am a 30 year old single mom of two. I enjoy music and concerts, movies, camping, going to the gym, cooking, baking, barbeques . Looking to find someone who is independant, loves life and family."
I mean... it just doesn't seem very damanging to me. I think it's legit.
I think it is legit too. I don't know who said this but how can you see the last date she signed in (oops maybe this was on WS :smile:). Anyway.....we don't know when she posted this profile.
She really shouldn't be responding to anyone new at this site considering all that is going on. BTW her profile is tame compared to ones I have seen researching another case (I think N/T knows what I'm talkin about :w00t:).
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 11:50 AM
Greetings"
Streeter"
Please someone go back to the press conference' before it starts"ok"
There is a woman there' brown hair flips under' who is that person" she has on sunglasses' seems to hide from the camera.IMO Who is this?
Her body language" Something is not right here.. She has a jacket on.. Can anyone tell me who she is??? Is that a wig??
Moonlite
I got the impression she is a news person......do you mean the one messing with the microphone yesterday?
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 11:52 AM
Hi, Nova! Take care -- you're going to get all buggy-eyed from those blurry frames! :blink::laugh:
I think the cops have probably talked to more people than the dad in the video. Remember that the portion of the video that was released was only the pertinent section showing Tori and her abductor, and the cops probably watched the camera's video for many minutes before and after Tori walked through it, watching for potential witnesses. So, even though we see just a flash of a fifth figure, the police have seen that figure advance through the screen just as Tori did, and their movements are known to the police.
There are probably other cameras in the area that have been seized, so they would have an idea of where they *didn't* go with Tori.
I am thankful that there is some video evidence for the OPP to go back on, because I still am very doubtful of the quality of the investigation over the first week of Tori's disappearance.
I'm with you here. They have likely seen the people walk past the camera toward the school too (if that is the direction they came from) and would have seen any interaction the adults might have had before the children were let out of school.
They have perhaps even seen other days footage prior to the 8th.
If that was my childs school, I would have had to notify them before dismissal that there was a change in how my child was going to be leaving school (not with her brother) - otherwise they would have kept my child behind and contacted me. At my childs school a policy is in place to ensure the child is not release to someone other than someone authorized, nor let to fend for themselves when the approved plan fails to happen.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 11:57 AM
Originally Posted by nova1998
"First, links to these 3 super-cropped and enhanced videos, if no one has seen these ones yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9_G7oH2iQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pGrMrXdy9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go19c89eIGc
Watching these frame by frame, I was confident that there was no stripe going down the back of the jacket, nor any backpack, nor any handbag being carried on her left hand side. It does appear from the videos in the links above, though, that she is wearing a jacket that has a type of loosely elasticated waist at the back or one with some kind of drawstring at going through the back."
Interestingly, when I watch these super close ups of the video, it seems like the 'abductor' has orange streaks in her hair on the sides and sunglasses on her head. Hmmm...doesn't Tara have those type of streaks and has never been caught without sunglasses???
**Has anyone else noticed that Tara's hair is getting lighter and more reddish? Does this denote a hair rinse had been done a few weeks ago to make her hair appear darker at about the time of the abduction??**
YES!!!!
She started out with one streak and her hair is getting redder and redder (which makes it lighter).......hmmm. HUGE RED FLAG.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 12:02 PM
Hi Nen.
If Tara didn't create this account herself, someone is going the distance to make her look bad.
If Tara did create this account, could Tori's disappearance have something to do with a date or encounter gone bad?
Did you read the self profile thingy??? It sounds like it is right on. But it is not over the top. I think this is hers. It looks like she spends alot of time on the internet. I wonder what else is out there?.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Good find about the 5th person entering the scene.
In the above segment, it looks to me that the man has his back to the street and is looking down the sidewalk at the approaching figure. The woman turns her head to the right and possibly says something to Tori. The woman and the girl pass on the back side of the man. The woman looks at the man but would only see his backside as the man is still focused on the boy down the street.
This man (or at least someone claiming to be this man) came forward. He's the one who the police developed the sketch from. The man didn't want to be identified.
Also did anyone notice that when the main boy is walking towards the dad.....turns around halfway to his left and looks back as if someone is following him......kind of like saying "hurry up". I believe he is looking at the mystery boy who only comes into the frame for an instant.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 12:08 PM
I don't see a 5th. person.
On the first video.....start stopping it at frame 26....27....28. You will see boy figure come into frame on far right.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 12:14 PM
I'm with you here. They have likely seen the people walk past the camera toward the school too (if that is the direction they came from) and would have seen any interaction the adults might have had before the children were let out of school.
They have perhaps even seen other days footage prior to the 8th.
If that was my childs school, I would have had to notify them before dismissal that there was a change in how my child was going to be leaving school (not with her brother) - otherwise they would have kept my child behind and contacted me. At my childs school a policy is in place to ensure the child is not release to someone other than someone authorized, nor let to fend for themselves when the approved plan fails to happen.
Same here.....why did the teachers not make sure that she walked with her brother. That she was taken by someone that no one can identify.....IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.....is mind blowing to me. If this happened where I live the school would be under intense scrutiny!!! Why is no one in the news questioning the schools possible negligence???? :confused:
They definitely need to update their system IMO.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 12:25 PM
Same here.....why did the teachers not make sure that she walked with her brother. That she was taken by someone that no one can identify.....IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.....is mind blowing to me. If this happened where I live the school would be under intense scrutiny!!! Why is no one in the news questioning the schools possible negligence???? :confused:
They definitely need to update their system IMO.
I know that there has been some questions regarding the school's responsibility, but I can tell you that it doesn't work that way once kids are past kindergarten. The schools do everything in their power to ensure that parents have given all of the necessary contact/safety information when it comes to who is able to get their kids, etc. BUT once you hit grade one, once it is after school, the teacher dismisses the kids into the playground and it is up to the parent to ensure that adequate measures are taken to get your kids home safely. The schools put teachers 'on duty' to ensure that no one gets hit in the pick up area, that there is no fighting, kids get on the bus without incident, no one is taken kicking and screaming, etc. but unless that particular teacher is a teacher of THAT child, there is no way of knowing whether or not the parent/person who takes the child is legitimate. Not that I agree, but it is an expection, that at that age, the parents take on the responsibility of ensuring that children have a thorough understanding of who is to come and get them.
iveyguy
04-30-2009, 12:29 PM
Why is no one in the news questioning the schools possible negligence????
My theory would be that Tara didn't pass or complete that part of her lie detector test - the part about where she was at 3:32pm and thereafter... so it's a little quick to call the school negligent, unless you can prove that someone "unauthorized" took Tori.
JD1974
04-30-2009, 12:31 PM
Are you kidding me?
This woman pleads for the public to stop pointing the finger at her because of Daryn, because there is still one other child to consider and she has a photo of herself in a bra on the internet?
I'm not liking this one bit.
It's like she's taunting LE and the press, as if to say catch me if you can.
I hate to ask this JD1974, are you on Tara's friend list? That's the only way someone can gain access to someone else's photos on FB.
I am not on her friends list, someone that is on the list copied the link to the pictures.....
juliekan
04-30-2009, 12:32 PM
Oh.mah.gawd
Why in the world would you post a picture of yourself with your child on some skeezy dating site?? And what about Tara's bf?
Love how the lingere shot has the stove in the background lol
my bolding
:lol: but then again, I know my DH would find that attractive
JD1974
04-30-2009, 12:37 PM
Oh there is this other picture that is on there also. One of Tara's friends said they should photoshop a knife in her hand...she had the same clothes on but you can see her legs in this one, they are pulled upwards...someone else left the comment that Tara looked freaky or scary in the pic..can't remember the exact word that was used.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 12:50 PM
I know that there has been some questions regarding the school's responsibility, but I can tell you that it doesn't work that way once kids are past kindergarten. The schools do everything in their power to ensure that parents have given all of the necessary contact/safety information when it comes to who is able to get their kids, etc. BUT once you hit grade one, once it is after school, the teacher dismisses the kids into the playground and it is up to the parent to ensure that adequate measures are taken to get your kids home safely. The schools put teachers 'on duty' to ensure that no one gets hit in the pick up area, that there is no fighting, kids get on the bus without incident, no one is taken kicking and screaming, etc. but unless that particular teacher is a teacher of THAT child, there is no way of knowing whether or not the parent/person who takes the child is legitimate. Not that I agree, but it is an expection, that at that age, the parents take on the responsibility of ensuring that children have a thorough understanding of who is to come and get them.
Is this in Canada. Because my son was in elementary school for the last 5 yrs (he is in 6th grade middle school this yr)
and I can tell you that this is not how it works here (Denton, Tx). At my son's elementary all the different groups of kids ie: car kids, bus kids, daycare kids, and "walkers" all meet in there respective groups at separate places within the school. The same staff work the same groups all year long so that they become familiar with the kids in the group. We were also given a number code at the beginning of the school year which you need to have to pick a child up. If you have someone else pick the child up they need the number + you have to write a note directly to your childs teacher + notify the office. They are very strict about this. The only exception is an emergency and they will do a call back to the phone numbers you provided in the beginning of the year to verify.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 12:53 PM
Is this in Canada. Because my son was in elementary school for the last 5 yrs (he is in 6th grade middle school this yr)
and I can tell you that this is not how it works here (Denton, Tx). At my son's elementary all the different groups of kids ie: car kids, bus kids, daycare kids, and "walkers" all meet in there respective groups at separate places within the school. The same staff work the same groups all year long so that they become familiar with the kids in the group. We were also given a number code at the beginning of the school year which you need to have to pick a child up. If you have someone else pick the child up they need the number + you have to write a note directly to your childs teacher + notify the office. They are very strict about this. The only exception is an emergency and they will do a call back to the phone numbers you provided in the beginning of the year to verify.
Yes, unfortunately, this is the way it worked the whole time I was teaching. :(
I only wish we would stop being so niave here!! The way it worked at your son school should be implemented everywhere!!
Also did anyone notice that when the main boy is walking towards the dad.....turns around halfway to his left and looks back as if someone is following him......kind of like saying "hurry up". I believe he is looking at the mystery boy who only comes into the frame for an instant.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
I also noticed that when the woman passes in back of the man that she doesn't look to be more than a couple of inches shorter than the man.
tears4fears
04-30-2009, 01:05 PM
Hi all,
Just quickly trying to catch up on what's been happening since yesterday.
I noticed from yesterday's pc that the "brother's" last name is Jacklin....but isn't that the "aunt's" last name (Linda Jacklin - as I recall) - the one who is organizing the bike rally?
Wondering what the connection is - if they are both Jacklin??? :confused:
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:06 PM
My theory would be that Tara didn't pass or complete that part of her lie detector test - the part about where she was at 3:32pm and thereafter... so it's a little quick to call the school negligent, unless you can prove that someone "unauthorized" took Tori.
Hi iveyguy, I was not calling the school negligent and I am sorry if it came off that way. I was just saying that IMO, there would be questions raised in the press where I live, if a child disappeared from in front of an elementary school and was seen walking away with a stranger. No one has come foward as far as I am aware to say that Tara was the one with Tori (regardless of what personally believe) and Tori normally walked home with her brother.
It has been said that Tori's grandmother was picking her up instead of her walking. I just assumed that the school was notified grandma was going to pick here up. Was the school notified when Tori changed from being picked up to walking. I just can't see an elementary school being completely unaware of (or not caring!) where these very young children are supposed to go when they are dismissed.
I also hope this did not come off as a insult to Canada. I personally think Canada has it all over the U.S.A. and considered moving there many times when Bush was in office. :tonguewag:
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:09 PM
Maybe there wasn't a change of routine. No-one would question Tara (or a dead ringer) picking Tori up.:confused:
But there was a change from being picked up to walking home. IMO most schools keep track of this. Especially elementary schools where the kids are so young.
The way they do it at the school my son goes to is that in JK and SK you have to have a parent or guardian, that's on a list, pick your child up. Once my son got to grade 1 that was it though. They don't make sure they have someone to walk with...that's up to the parents. I hate it because I see these little kids walking home alone and it scares me. It only takes a few days for some sicko to notice a kids routine.
Thankfully I was always able to pick him up. He's 13 and I still don't let him really go anywhere alone. Only with friends. Overprotective, yes but I won't take any chances.
They actually send notices each year saying only parents of jk/sk should be in the school at end of day. All others wait outside.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:11 PM
my bolding
:lol: but then again, I know my DH would find that attractive
Maybe she is subtley trying to say that she knows more than one way to heat things up. :biggrin:
my bolding
:lol: but then again, I know my DH would find that attractiveHa! Mine would say it's the best of both worlds.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:14 PM
Yes, unfortunately, this is the way it worked the whole time I was teaching. :(
I only wish we would stop being so niave here!! The way it worked at your son school should be implemented everywhere!!
Just think of the lengths we go to so that no one can steal our material things. Are our children less precious than these???? Ugh....:crying:
days of yore
04-30-2009, 01:17 PM
Yes, Woodstock, Ontario. It is the same here, afaik, at least it was when my son was in school, at least until after grade 6, he's 21 now, so it may have changed. Sure hope not!
I only wish that was everywhere. I taught in a few different boards in the ontario system and was never once (other than the special needs students, who most went on a bus that we walked them to), was instructed to follow this protocol & it was never a policy at any of the schools I worked at.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:17 PM
The way they do it at the school my son goes to is that in JK and SK you have to have a parent or guardian, that's on a list, pick your child up. Once my son got to grade 1 that was it though. They don't make sure they have someone to walk with...that's up to the parents. I hate it because I see these little kids walking home alone and it scares me. It only takes a few days for some sicko to notice a kids routine.
Thankfully I was always able to pick him up. He's 13 and I still don't let him really go anywhere alone. Only with friends. Overprotective, yes but I won't take any chances.
They actually send notices each year saying only parents of jk/sk should be in the school at end of day. All others wait outside.
Ya......i personally do not know anyone who would let an 8yr old walk home alone......but in this case why am I not surprised.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:25 PM
I only wish that was everywhere. I taught in a few different boards in the ontario system and was never once (other than the special needs students, who most went on a bus that we walked them to), was instructed to follow this protocol & it was never a policy at any of the schools I worked at.
I guess my original point about the press here in the US questioning the school ties into this. The publicity generated and the following public outcry force the schools to change policies. I was just wondering why the press in Woodstock are not questioning possible school responsibility.
iveyguy
04-30-2009, 01:32 PM
I also hope this did not come off as a insult to Canada.
Not at all! I think if this really was a stranger abduction, you'd be entirely right. But I also believe - and it's just my opinion - that the police know so much more than they're letting on and that Tara did not pass a lie detector and has been a suspect from the very beginning.
And this explains A LOT about how LE has acted in this case, and is probably why the school hasn't come under questioning for their procedures and role...
threesnugbugs
04-30-2009, 01:33 PM
Is this in Canada. Because my son was in elementary school for the last 5 yrs (he is in 6th grade middle school this yr)
and I can tell you that this is not how it works here (Denton, Tx). At my son's elementary all the different groups of kids ie: car kids, bus kids, daycare kids, and "walkers" all meet in there respective groups at separate places within the school. The same staff work the same groups all year long so that they become familiar with the kids in the group. We were also given a number code at the beginning of the school year which you need to have to pick a child up. If you have someone else pick the child up they need the number + you have to write a note directly to your childs teacher + notify the office. They are very strict about this. The only exception is an emergency and they will do a call back to the phone numbers you provided in the beginning of the year to verify.
Same here- very tight security at our public elementary schools. I was a teacher as well and saw a huge shift since 1992 in school security. We went from a fully open school all day to all doors locked and sign in systems in a matter of three years--then came student check in/out procedures. As I moved to different schools and states in my (short, (decade long) career, the same thing applied.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 01:34 PM
"...I also hope this did not come off as a insult to Canada. I personally think Canada has it all over the U.S.A. and considered moving there many times when Bush was in office. :tonguewag:
No offense taken! ;)
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:35 PM
Not at all! I think if this really was a stranger abduction, you'd be entirely right. But I also believe - and it's just my opinion - that the police know so much more than they're letting on and that Tara did not pass a lie detector and has been a suspect from the very beginning.
And this explains A LOT about how LE has acted in this case, and is probably why the school hasn't come under questioning for their procedures and role...
I was actually referring to the press (see recent posts).....they don't know what LE knows.
days of yore
04-30-2009, 01:37 PM
Same here- very tight security at our public elementary schools. I was a teacher as well and saw a huge shift since 1992 in school security. We went from a fully open school all day to all doors locked and sign in systems in a matter of three years--then came student check in/out procedures. As I moved to different schools and states in my (short, (decade long) career, the same thing applied.
The doors are now (and most were when I was teaching, too) locked at our schools during school hours, some have security cameras & buzzer at the front entrance for the school office to see who's ringing, but that's pretty much as far as it goes. In one school that I was at, there was an abduction attempt by a child's father and we were on high alert at recess, but other than this one particular child, no one else was treated with kid gloves, unfortunately. Half-asked attempt to protect....
Hi all,
Live stream link. I'm assuming Tara conference is still scheduled for 1 pm
http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:39 PM
Same here- very tight security at our public elementary schools. I was a teacher as well and saw a huge shift since 1992 in school security. We went from a fully open school all day to all doors locked and sign in systems in a matter of three years--then came student check in/out procedures. As I moved to different schools and states in my (short, (decade long) career, the same thing applied.
Things have changed!! When i was in elementary the bus dropped us off about a half mile from where i lived. We were in the hills and i walked home often taking shortcuts thru the woods!! :scared: Scary!
Sounds like LE will also hold a 1 pm conference. What do we do?:tongueside:
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:50 PM
Sounds like LE will also hold a 1 pm conference. What do we do?:tongueside:
Please let it be more than the same old same old. :thumbsup:
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 01:56 PM
I'm not sure, but I can't watch videos on here. Could someone update please? tia
No updates needed.....I have a crystal ball :w00t:....
Lets see.....still looking.....still talking to people.....cannot verify....cannot comment right now.....tips still coming in......looking outside of and in Woodstock......etc :biggrin:
I'm not sure, but I can't watch videos on here. Could someone update please? tia
I can watch but don't have sound. :thumbdown:
No updates needed.....I have a crystal ball :w00t:....
Lets see.....still looking.....still talking to people.....cannot verify....cannot comment right now.....tips still coming in......looking outside of and in Woodstock......etc :biggrin:
I'm actually surprised they're having another one today!
ttcRider
04-30-2009, 02:01 PM
Are any of you guys on the chat?
days of yore
04-30-2009, 02:01 PM
No updates needed.....I have a crystal ball :w00t:....
Lets see.....still looking.....still talking to people.....cannot verify....cannot comment right now.....tips still coming in......looking outside of and in Woodstock......etc :biggrin:
You are HILARIOUS!!!:lol:
juliekan
04-30-2009, 02:05 PM
people on chat at this site asked the moderator to ask the reporters to ask Tara where she was when Tori was walking home. Moderator must have open line to them, because she also asked if they wanted the video cloudy and less choppy, or clearer and choppy....they voted cloudy and the video quality changed.
What did Rodney say? People in the chat are wooohooo'ing him.
ttcRider
04-30-2009, 02:18 PM
I can't believe she admitted to contacting Sylvia Brown. :unsure:
Out of all the venues available for support.... gheesh how disappointing.
juliekan
04-30-2009, 02:23 PM
A new level of ridiculousness...a bouncer for a PC.
Tara would not make a plea for Tori's return, the reporters asked her what she would say to the people who had taken Tori, and she went on a rant about how she had already done that. She said that she has written a 3 page letter to Tori, but would not read that for the press.
Rodney said something to the effect that whether or not Tara may have had anything to do with Tori being missing, the focus needed to go back to bringing Tori home. The abductors could be dealt with later.:ohmy:
A new level of ridiculousness...a bouncer for a PC.
Tara would not make a plea for Tori's return, the reporters asked her what she would say to the people who had taken Tori, and she went on a rant about how she had already done that. She said that she has written a 3 page letter to Tori, but would not read that for the press.
Rodney said something to the effect that whether or not Tara may have had anything to do with Tori being missing, the focus needed to go back to bringing Tori home. The abductors could be dealt with later.:ohmy:
WHAT???????? He said that? OMG! I think Rodney is working with LE!:thumbsup:
How silly was the big guy stopping the pc?! I'm guessing the questions were getting too 'intense' or something. Or maybe someone was about to ask a real question.
I missed the first few min. Did she say anything about the LE and what they had to say about the mystery limo?
I'm guessing the sunglasses she wears each time are so we can't see her swollen puffy eyes :rolleyes:
WHAT???????? He said that? OMG! I think Rodney is working with LE!:thumbsup:
Let's hope!
I really feel that if family is involved, that Rodney has no clue, and isn't. Involved that is.
And does Tara only own white jackets and sweaters? Well one less anyways.
Sorry.
juliekan
04-30-2009, 02:29 PM
They started out talking about the motorcycle rally.
Rodney also talked about how tired and upset he was and that he wished the press would just focus on Tori.
Tara also complained about all the people at different internet sites sitting behind their computers. Why didn't they go hand out posters or something useful to find Tori. (I don't see reports that Tara is doing that, am I wrong?)
Tara also complained about all the people at different internet sites sitting behind their computers. Why didn't they go hand out posters or something useful to find Tori. (I don't see reports that Tara is doing that, am I wrong?)
Really? Maybe she should log off the computer and get off her arse and start doing the same. I'm sorry, but this woman is just too much sometimes. Does she really think that by spending a good chunk of time online that she's in any way helping Tori. Or should I say "the child that's missing"
Sheesh.
I wonder what LE had to say at their PC. I guess we'll have to look for links later.
juliekan
04-30-2009, 02:35 PM
bouncer (bo̵un′sər)
noun
☆ Slang a person hired to remove very disorderly people from a nightclub, restaurant, etc.
It was the hulk hogan looking dude....Tara's stepbrother, IIRC.
He stood behind them during the PC and then stepped in and said "One more question."
ttcRider
04-30-2009, 02:36 PM
my bold.
What's a bouncer?
This sounds like it was another waste of time, certainly from what people here have written it did nothing to either help find Tori or take any heat off Tara.
like a security guard..
Hi Cranky! :seeya:
They started out talking about the motorcycle rally.
Rodney also talked about how tired and upset he was and that he wished the press would just focus on Tori.
Tara also complained about all the people at different internet sites sitting behind their computers. Why didn't they go hand out posters or something useful to find Tori. (I don't see reports that Tara is doing that, am I wrong?)
LOL...if she sees what people are posting on internet sites means she's NOT putting up posters!!! She's sitting on her arse behind the computer!
days of yore
04-30-2009, 02:40 PM
Let's hope!
I really feel that if family is involved, that Rodney has no clue, and isn't. Involved that is.
And does Tara only own white jackets and sweaters? Well one less anyways.
Sorry.
actually, 2 less...apparently they took her white vest, too!!
actually, 2 less...apparently they took her white vest, too!!
ohhhh I didn't know that.
Orleaner12
04-30-2009, 04:01 PM
Was there a police press conference today?
juliekan
04-30-2009, 04:02 PM
the chat room at lfpress said there was one, but none of them saw it. the moderator said she would try to put it online later.
actually, 2 less...apparently they took her white vest, too!!Really? I had no idea.
Did any reporter mention the LE not outright confirming her donor story? I can't imagine them not asking.
I checked back, cant find a link to the chat room..anybody?I assumed that the chat was only available during the pc's. I'm probably wrong though.
BeetlebrowII
04-30-2009, 06:32 PM
:cursing:
I have just searched all over to find ANY article about the 2 news conferences that were held today. I cannot find anything. So we have to wait for tomorrow for this guy to upload the video (s). I have never seen media act like this. I really do not understand......why have the news conferences in the first place??
juliekan
04-30-2009, 06:37 PM
http://www.mogulus.com/lfpress
I just looked here, and the moderator on the chat board said it should be up later today, and will be re-shown before tomorrow's PC. I guess she means Tara's PC?
Oh well...I'm kind of disappointed. Maybe if we all send her more videos. I sent as many as I could.
http://eyesforlies.uservoice.com/pages/14727-topic-suggestions/suggestions/176915-tara-mcdonald-
Does anyone know if London Press keeps copies of all of Tara's PC's?
I'd like to send Eyesforlies copies of them all.
Lovethechild
04-30-2009, 07:23 PM
This is just bizzare.:glare: Hopefully, Tori is alive and will be home soon ( her dad's home)
virgogal
04-30-2009, 07:54 PM
I sent Eyes for Lies a request...but did not include any video files. I think I made the request on Tuesday.
girlfriday
04-30-2009, 08:13 PM
my bolding
:lol: but then again, I know my DH would find that attractive
Mine too - but only if there was a batch of my homemade date squares in it :rolleyes::laugh:
I sent Eyes for Lies a request...but did not include any video files. I think I made the request on Tuesday.
Thanks virgogal. If you get a chance send her another request but include videos. If possible, the more recent ones.
I sent her a whole bunch and also included this site so she can access the links so I can't understand how much more she needs. Oh well. At least we tried. Maybe because this case is not "high profile" like some of the other ones she's done.
virgogal
04-30-2009, 09:06 PM
I wonder what we could do to raise the profile...I know some Facebookers have sent links to CNN...
What about Nancy Grace??
north-eh
04-30-2009, 09:13 PM
Yes they have and I've been wondering the same thing. NG did profile the case but that's it.
N
days of yore
04-30-2009, 09:41 PM
Mine too - but only if there was a batch of my homemade date squares in it :rolleyes::laugh:
HA! That's too funny!!:lol:
virgogal
04-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Any guesses as to what may unfold tomorrow?? With nothing to report do you think the family may create some new drama (to keep the story in the press?)
Guesses??
days of yore
04-30-2009, 10:08 PM
No updates needed.....I have a crystal ball :w00t:....
Lets see.....still looking.....still talking to people.....cannot verify....cannot comment right now.....tips still coming in......looking outside of and in Woodstock......etc :biggrin:
BeettlebrowII has the crystal ball and was right on for today's press conference...Any gut feelings about tomorrow, BeetlebrowII??:wink:
north-eh
04-30-2009, 10:40 PM
ITA north-eh. It's like I'm so popular, I just got "x" amount of friend requests, and as one person suggested on here already, it's as if one just wants to shake some sense into this woman.
Whether she did or didn't do it, I'm thoroughly disgusted by this woman.
She is either completely stupid or a total egomaniac to have the audacity to criticize others and then not have the mental capacity to understand how others might find her behaviour offensive.
Although, it seems she just sums it up to Woodstock being a gossip mill.
That's like biting the hand that feeds.
ITA Kinetic that Tara seems to like the spotlight alright.
I think as we all do that she reads everything about herself and I do believe that would take some time, and then she tries to fit that profile or mood for the moment.
I also think her dark mood today was her way of appearing as though she didn't want to be there, when in fact it came off as just the opposite.
This event that is planned for this weekend should be very interesting to say the least.
Maybe in more ways than one.
Aussie Gal
05-01-2009, 12:13 AM
There is something to be said about LE that doesn't leak one iota of where their investigation is going. Canada's news stories are hard to follow because of this.
Tara, will never get that type of a "forum" a national one because of this. CNN or NG won't go there, because there isn't anything to report.
Families holding press conferences instead of LE themselves, is only leading this investigation in one direction: They will solve it soon.
I believe that her mother picked her up from school that day, brother in tow behind them. Period end of story. I don't believe this is an abduction, let's just hope this time the child is alive. This woman clearly has an agenda. And I think it's fame and fortune.
Let's hope she didn't murder her kid. Seeing that she would actually post on a dating site a photo of herself with a child, knowing there are pedophiles looking for exactly that online, makes me sick. Where are the links, to Tori's sites online. Why are hers so absent? What were her screen names? Does LE have the home PC and laptops?
What is that profession she listed on her site anyway? Wanna be holder of daily press conferences, the next Kate McCann, minus the Dr's Degree? (no trace of the child ever found)
This woman is completely unbelievable. I hope her home is bugged.
You bet her online access is being watched. Go LE, find this girl and bring her to safety. I cannot say bring her home, based on what I've seen. This is just as sickening as the Casey A case. Maybe that is exactly what she is seeking.
Bold by me!
The thought had crossed my mind that the limo ride was set up by LE to get them out of the house so they could bug it! But not sure if the press or other people were around and would have seen LE going in.. Maybe they went in the back way undetected like the limo driver??
Hope4Tori
05-01-2009, 01:01 AM
[QUOTE=Hope4Tori; I don't have an appropriate comment for the ALL CAPS "STILL" not home in reference to a dog!:confused:. . . snipped by me - the original poster [/QUOTE]
Okay it's pretty sad when one is replying to one's own post - BUT - could there be more significance than was immediately apparent to me, in the mention of, "...our dog, who is STILL not home."...??
Especially since it is the only comment in the entire post that is in ALL CAPS which is generally used to add emphasis, and considering that TORI'S DISAPPEARANCE IS THE MAIN PRIORITY AND IS DESERVING OF BEING THE ONLY FOCUS OF ATTENTION!!!!
I wonder when the dog went missing?? I wonder if the dog is keeping Tori company whereever she may be??
May this be the moment that Tori is reunited with her loved ones.:smile:
Hope4Tori
05-01-2009, 02:12 AM
As I have an interest in astrology, so I went to the following forensic astrology site where they are investigating Tori's case - link http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83174 and was shocked to see this information posted which I had never read anywhere before:
"Reported Missing in 911 Call: April 8th, 2009 at approximately 6 pm by her father
The reasoning behind the father not calling earlier:
Victoria's father, Rodney Stafford states, "I was wary - maybe Victoria had just gone to one of her friend's - till the next morning when all the kids returned to school and nobody had heard from her. That's when I started to get really queasy and feared the worst."
Police Report Time: Not exact, but they state they started searching for Victoria within an hour of the 911 call. They would have taken the report prior to search."
Has anyone else here seen this account posted elsewhere before? I verified it came from at least one credible online source, http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fsVK2YWD-2wJ:www.citynews.ca/news/news_33630.aspx+I+was+wary+-+maybe+Victoria+had+just+gone+to+one+of+her+friend %27s&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Sorry, but that statement is very naive at best, IMO, and while I am practicing restraint, I cannot help but wonder if anyone in Tori's life knows the meaning of conscientious concern and responsibilty when it comes to raising a child.:scared:
I hope Tori is alive and well and on her way home!:smile:
sparky
05-01-2009, 03:02 AM
Hi everyone :seeya:
This is my first post. I've been reading these posts for a couple of days now and I must say you guys see everything the way I see it.
It is a puzzling case isn't it? Tara's behaviour is not what one would expect from a Mother who's child has been abducted.
I get the strong feeling that she knows exactly where Tori is and knows she will have her back soon. It is the only thing that explains her behaviour IMO.
I was shocked today to hear Rodney say "whether or not Tara had anything to do with it" (paraphrasing) I couldn't believe he said that!
I just hope the limo ride was a sting operation and that they recorded everything spoken in the limo and in the hotel. I am hoping this whole thing comes to an end soon and that Tori is brought home safe and sound.
Hope4Tori
05-01-2009, 03:14 AM
Respectfully snipped..................
Hey H4T, great to find you here too!!
Again, I totally agree with you.
Also have to admit, time for this night owl to get some zzzz's :sleep:
Yesterday's pc ruffled my feathers and today's will probably rattle my cage :lol: snipped
G'nite
Hey Kinetic - you're hilarious - sweet dreams and thanks for all your information and help with the pcs and chats etc., and for just being a naturally friendly and welcoming presence around here! G'night!:sleep:
When we wake up let's hope there is finally some great news about Tori!
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:19 AM
BeettlebrowII has the crystal ball and was right on for today's press conference...Any gut feelings about tomorrow, BeetlebrowII??:wink:
:biggrin: Well yore......
I got a call from Tara today. She saw the thread and wants me to come to Woodstock to help her. She said she knows someone with a limo that can pick me up at the airport!!!!!
Its weird though.....she said that the driver has orders to drop me off a few blocks away from her house and that I should just walk the rest of the way. :confused: Kinda rude if you ask me..........I'll probably have to charge her an extra hundred but she won't mind......said something about having wealthy friends.
Hope4Tori
05-01-2009, 03:22 AM
Hi everyone :seeya:
This is my first post. I've been reading these posts for a couple of days now and I must say you guys see everything the way I see it.
It is a puzzling case isn't it? Tara's behaviour is not what one would expect from a Mother who's child has been abducted.
I get the strong feeling that she knows exactly where Tori is and knows she will have her back soon. It is the only thing that explains her behaviour IMO.
I was shocked today to hear Rodney say "whether or not Tara had anything to do with it" (paraphrasing) I couldn't believe he said that!
I just hope the limo ride was a sting operation and that they recorded everything spoken in the limo and in the hotel. I am hoping this whole thing comes to an end soon and that Tori is brought home safe and sound.
Welcome aboard Sparky!! - Glad you came by tonight! :smile: I'm too punchy tired to write anything interesting, so I'll just goodnight for now.
Hope to see you again soon, and more hope that we will all have the chance to see Tori rescued even sooner!:smile:
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:23 AM
Hi all,
Just quickly trying to catch up on what's been happening since yesterday.
I noticed from yesterday's pc that the "brother's" last name is Jacklin....but isn't that the "aunt's" last name (Linda Jacklin - as I recall) - the one who is organizing the bike rally?
Wondering what the connection is - if they are both Jacklin??? :confused:
Do you mean Tara's brother? I thought his last name was McDonald :confused: Well there goes 30 minutes of google time wasted. Jacklin.....have to see what I can find tomorrow.
Hope4Tori
05-01-2009, 03:28 AM
:biggrin: Well yore......
I got a call from Tara today. She saw the thread and wants me to come to Woodstock to help her. She said she knows someone with a limo that can pick me up at the airport!!!!!
Its weird though.....she said that the driver has orders to drop me off a few blocks away from her house and that I should just walk the rest of the way. :confused: Kinda rude if you ask me..........I'll probably have to charge her an extra hundred but she won't mind......said something about having wealthy friends.
It is obviously getting late!!! Thanks to you, I'm going to fall asleep with a smile - thanks Beetlebrow!!:thumbsup:
Sending wishes for Tori and all those who love and miss her!
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:30 AM
Yes they have and I've been wondering the same thing. NG did profile the case but that's it.
N
If Nancy promises to put her on TV and send a limo Tara would be there tomorrow. I would love to see NGs face when Tara talks about the things that have been going on. I will send an e-mail tomorrow plus one to eyes 4 lies.
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:32 AM
It is obviously getting late!!! Thanks to you, I'm going to fall asleep with a smile - thanks Beetlebrow!!:thumbsup:
Sending wishes for Tori and all those who love and miss her!
Hi H4T.......where you been hiding?. Missed u today. Have sweet dreams and I'll see u tomorrow. :wink:
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:43 AM
There is something to be said about LE that doesn't leak one iota of where their investigation is going. Canada's news stories are hard to follow because of this.
Tara, will never get that type of a "forum" a national one because of this. CNN or NG won't go there, because there isn't anything to report.
Families holding press conferences instead of LE themselves, is only leading this investigation in one direction: They will solve it soon.
I believe that her mother picked her up from school that day, brother in tow behind them. Period end of story. I don't believe this is an abduction, let's just hope this time the child is alive. This woman clearly has an agenda. And I think it's fame and fortune.
Let's hope she didn't murder her kid. Seeing that she would actually post on a dating site a photo of herself with a child, knowing there are pedophiles looking for exactly that online, makes me sick. Where are the links, to Tori's sites online. Why are hers so absent? What were her screen names? Does LE have the home PC and laptops?
What is that profession she listed on her site anyway? Wanna be holder of daily press conferences, the next Kate McCann, minus the Dr's Degree? (no trace of the child ever found)
This woman is completely unbelievable. I hope her home is bugged.
You bet her online access is being watched. Go LE, find this girl and bring her to safety. I cannot say bring her home, based on what I've seen. This is just as sickening as the Casey A case. Maybe that is exactly what she is seeking.
Oh bug hope u are right about LE. I think I have been spoiled by the incredible reporting on the Caylee case. I wonder how Tara would react if the press stops coming to her daily soap opera. If she is truly psychopathic/narcissistic (sp?) she will have to do something to re-gain the attention. Eventually this has to happen.....if she doesn't come up with an even more bizarre story to keep it going. :tonguewag:
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 03:54 AM
Okay it's pretty sad when one is replying to one's own post - BUT - could there be more significance than was immediately apparent to me, in the mention of, "...our dog, who is STILL not home."...??
Especially since it is the only comment in the entire post that is in ALL CAPS which is generally used to add emphasis, and considering that TORI'S DISAPPEARANCE IS THE MAIN PRIORITY AND IS DESERVING OF BEING THE ONLY FOCUS OF ATTENTION!!!!
I wonder when the dog went missing?? I wonder if the dog is keeping Tori company whereever she may be??
May this be the moment that Tori is reunited with her loved ones.:smile:
Wow....if the dog went missing at the same time then maybe someone did take her away because they felt she was not safe at her house.
N/T......she reminded me of Christine Francisco when I was reading this. :sneaky:
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 04:04 AM
As I have an interest in astrology, so I went to the following forensic astrology site where they are investigating Tori's case - link http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83174 and was shocked to see this information posted which I had never read anywhere before:
"Reported Missing in 911 Call: April 8th, 2009 at approximately 6 pm by her father
The reasoning behind the father not calling earlier:
Victoria's father, Rodney Stafford states, "I was wary - maybe Victoria had just gone to one of her friend's - till the next morning when all the kids returned to school and nobody had heard from her. That's when I started to get really queasy and feared the worst."
Police Report Time: Not exact, but they state they started searching for Victoria within an hour of the 911 call. They would have taken the report prior to search."
Has anyone else here seen this account posted elsewhere before? I verified it came from at least one credible online source, http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fsVK2YWD-2wJ:www.citynews.ca/news/news_33630.aspx+I+was+wary+-+maybe+Victoria+had+just+gone+to+one+of+her+friend %27s&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Sorry, but that statement is very naive at best, IMO, and while I am practicing restraint, I cannot help but wonder if anyone in Tori's life knows the meaning of conscientious concern and responsibilty when it comes to raising a child.:scared:
I hope Tori is alive and well and on her way home!:smile:
I have been following that also........they nailed the Sandra Cantu case.
I also study astrology Ms Cancer.
So now we have Tara, the grandmom and the father calling the police??? And why would they have to wait till MORNING to find out if she went to a friends house???? They said they started looking for her when she hadn't returned by 4pm. Its not like she did not have enough family to help. In one of the recent articles that I read today they had a time line. Did not read over it as I was looking for video of todays news conference. I am going to find it and link to it tomorrow.
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 04:07 AM
Hey Kinetic - Great to find you here you big night owl!:) Fantastic points you make as always and ITA!!:thumbsup:
I cannot believe how much sleep everyone is losing and how seemingly ungrateful Tara seems by the public's genuine concern for Tori! Still, as crazy as this may sound, while I don't know for certain if she is directly or indirectly involved in Tori's disappearance, I will most likely not make an outright accusation or opinion on this case until Tori is found - and hopefully alive - and/or an arrest is made in the case.
Only Tara can be held responsible for how the public perceives her because she is the person doing and saying highly irregular things, IMO, and we, the public are merely reacting honestly to her words and behaviour. How can she - or anyone around her - not be aware of how terribly difficult it is for the public, and I imagine the authorities as well, to glean some semblance of truth and consistency in anything she does or says? She has thrown us all these puzzle pieces but I for one can never seem to make them fit.
I hope she soon realizes that the truth is nothing to fear, if one has nothing to hide, and the great thing about telling the truth is you don't need to have a great memory! I want the hear the truth - whatever it may be - as I believe it will set Tori free!
Thinking of Tori tonight and wishing for her safe return home!!
Unfortunately she is looking more and more like a sociopath. I will try and find a definition for u guys who don't know what that is. But trust me.....it does not bode well for Tori. :crying:
BeetlebrowII
05-01-2009, 04:16 AM
Hi everyone :seeya:
This is my first post. I've been reading these posts for a couple of days now and I must say you guys see everything the way I see it.
It is a puzzling case isn't it? Tara's behaviour is not what one would expect from a Mother who's child has been abducted.
I get the strong feeling that she knows exactly where Tori is and knows she will have her back soon. It is the only thing that explains her behaviour IMO.
I was shocked today to hear Rodney say "whether or not Tara had anything to do with it" (paraphrasing) I couldn't believe he said that!
I just hope the limo ride was a sting operation and that they recorded everything spoken in the limo and in the hotel. I am hoping this whole thing comes to an end soon and that Tori is brought home safe and sound.
Hi Sparky and welcome to what has now become crazyville. Are you from Canada because you spelled behavior with a "u". :laugh:
This case has me hooked.....what will happen next. Tara seems to be living in a fantasy land completely removed from reality and we have seen this before in a couple of cases. I think Tori will eventually be found and I pray that she is alive and this is just a bizzare attempt to get money.
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