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Hannah21

04-27-2009, 07:05 AM

BJames

04-27-2009, 07:38 AM

Good morning to all :smile:

I have continued to read the threads on this case...although I haven't posted much.
It boggles my mind how many of these people have such long lists of charges...and certainly some serious drug issues.
Every time I read Ronald Cummings' history I amazed at how many charges were dropped...or at least never followed thru on. I know there has been speculation about whether or not he may have been acting as a CI....but heck...that is a lot of charges being swept under the boat.
This whole situation is crazy, and it seems at least up until thus far Judges may have thought they were deciding on the lesser of two evils in regards to the placement of these children (whether I agree or not).
I so hope that Haleigh is found soon...and that whatever is 'best' for these children can be resolved.
What a mess....

Just my opinion of course...

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 08:35 AM

Texas48

04-27-2009, 09:21 AM

Thanks for the new thread.

I know it won't shock anyone to learn that yes, yet again, another person in the case has a record. Eric Zastrow has pending charges at the time, as it appears to me. Not sure if it's him or not, yet. imo.

I'm disturbed with the accusations of Ronald telling Misty to whip the child. I wonder if there are any other witnesses. Although, Eric does say everyone knew about the calls, paraphrasing.

And do these two statements conflict?

“We’re not looking at a stranger abduction,” a lead task force member tells me. He said he’s been authorized to offer immunity from prosecution to any credible witness who can provide a sworn statement —and the crucial piece– that cracks the case."

and

Asked about an offer of immunity for a key witness, Johnny Greenwood, the Putnam County Sheriff’s spokesman, tells me, “I had not heard about that. Immunity can only come from the state attorney. We’re not authorized to offer immunity to anyone.”

Is anyone on the same page in this investigation?

moo
morning 51 and morning to ALL and a big TY you FA for the link to alittle more info. This article is..well...interesting and confusing but it does throw a few more names into the mix. actually 51..the article says two(2) co-workers within ear shot of Ron heard the call. I have to keep in mind..co workers overheard Ron's side of call..Witness sated.."I remember she called him in *tears*(how in the world can anyone tell someone is in *tears* on other end of a phone)..(but Misty may have been) ..I also love the remark that witness Eric Zastrow 32 yo gave *exclusive interview* with the Bald Truth....seems Eric had already gave these statements to LE..way back. What is interestin for me is The lead investigator of Putnam Ct. Task Force in an *exclusive Interview* with the Bald Truth asked that his name NOT be used. They believe Haleigh's kidnapper was NO stranger to the family. This info came from a *task force member* who ALSO said he's been authorized to offer immunity to witness to crack the case.....THEN..John Greenwood states the sheriff office HAS NOT heard or does NOT know of ANY immunity being offered..can only be offered by Prosc. office. another name thrown into this mess is *helen Edmison*..Chad Griffis ex-wife who lost custody of her 2 kids to Chad....she also knows Ron.......51..yes very conflicting *exclusive interviews* IMO....BUT..it is something...we can always pick here and there but it does give something..Strange tho that The Bald Truth can get this info that LE already has but not released..The Bald Truth releases it..??Hmmm.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 09:27 AM

The unidentified task force member may be with the State Attorney's office.

So technically, Greenwood is correct. The Sheriff's Department cannot offer immunity, but the State Attorney's office can.

Think back to the early immunity deal in regards to Casey Anthony. That came straight from the top, not from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

That is just my opinion though.IF the info is correct my quess is that there is going to serious problems for Task Force Member if he did indeed release that to AH..The *member* will not be Unidentified for long...As for the KC case..I would imagine the sheriffs office knew what was coming down from the Proc. Office. One dept. knows what the other dept. is doing..most of the time..JMO

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 09:33 AM

IF the info is correct my quess is that there is going to serious problems for Task Force Member if he did indeed release that to AH..The *member* will not be Unidentified for long...As for the KC case..I would imagine the sheriffs office knew what was coming down from the Proc. Office. One dept. knows what the other dept. is doing..most of the time..JMO

They may know, but the Orange County Sheriff's Office continually denied any knowledge of immunity deals for Casey Anthony.

Why would this task member be any different that an "unidentified spokesperson" from the State's Attorney office in the Anthony case? What serious problems do you anticipate for him or her?

cuppajoe

04-27-2009, 09:43 AM

Hello all. Ronald Cummings telling anyone to whip that child is horrible I don't have words to dexcribe my feeling about him.

cuppajoe

04-27-2009, 09:47 AM

IF the info is correct my quess is that there is going to serious problems for Task Force Member if he did indeed release that to AH..The *member* will not be Unidentified for long...As for the KC case..I would imagine the sheriffs office knew what was coming down from the Proc. Office. One dept. knows what the other dept. is doing..most of the time..JMO

You have no knowledge of how police work if you think that way, the police leak information to media all the time to flush out the bad guys. In this case Ronald Cummings. mo

playnice

04-27-2009, 09:48 AM

Seems Chad won custody of two children from that marriage to Helen Edmison, and Marie Griffis, Crystal’s mother, tells me the ex wife, who lives in North Georgia, hates Crystal because she’s raising her two children–AND knows Ronald Cummings.

“We are trying to run that down,” says a lead Putnam County investigator, in a chat with The Bald Truth. “If we can find anyone who saw them together in Satsuma when Haleigh went missing, that’s of interest.”

So are they suggesting that Ron gave her to Helen?

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 09:57 AM

Good brighy sunny Monday morning all, thanks for the thread FA.

I have a theory that I haven't seen before, doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed, I may have missed it. IIRC, Crystal is Amber's cousin. Is that right? I could look back, but coffee hasn't kicked in yet so my mind is still fuzzy. If this is right, the cousin thing, I'll be back with my theory, that is if it still makes sense once I see it written down:tongueside:

I don't think Crystal and Amber are related.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 10:00 AM

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:01 AM

Why was Ron's Dad trying to pay people to find WBGreg?

Do the Cummings' think he took Haleigh?

Here's the photo the girl identified him from-
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/JackLesterCummings.jpg

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 10:03 AM

Why was Ron's Dad trying to pay people to find WBGreg?

Do the Cummings' think he took Haleigh?

Spilling the family secrets?

Motomom

04-27-2009, 10:11 AM

morning 51 and morning to ALL and a big TY you FA for the link to alittle more info. This article is..well...interesting and confusing but it does throw a few more names into the mix. actually 51..the article says two(2) co-workers within ear shot of Ron heard the call. I have to keep in mind..co workers overheard Ron's side of call..Witness sated.."I remember she called him in *tears*(how in the world can anyone tell someone is in *tears* on other end of a phone)..(but Misty may have been) ..I also love the remark that witness Eric Zastrow 32 yo gave *exclusive interview* with the Bald Truth....seems Eric had already gave these statements to LE..way back. What is interestin for me is The lead investigator of Putnam Ct. Task Force in an *exclusive Interview* with the Bald Truth asked that his name NOT be used. They believe Haleigh's kidnapper was NO stranger to the family. This info came from a *task force member* who ALSO said he's been authorized to offer immunity to witness to crack the case.....THEN..John Greenwood states the sheriff office HAS NOT heard or does NOT know of ANY immunity being offered..can only be offered by Prosc. office. another name thrown into this mess is *helen Edmison*..Chad Griffis ex-wife who lost custody of her 2 kids to Chad....she also knows Ron.......51..yes very conflicting *exclusive interviews* IMO....BUT..it is something...we can always pick here and there but it does give something..Strange tho that The Bald Truth can get this info that LE already has but not released..The Bald Truth releases it..??Hmmm.

Morning all!! It's crazy if you ask me. I read the article, it was conflicting IMO. It's hard for me to read it and pick and choose what I want to believe or what makes sense to me.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 10:13 AM

IDK, I have moved sleeping children many times that never woke while I was doing it

Me too... and every night they give me a problem going to bed. The two really have nothing to do with one another IMO. Once the child is sleeping, it's different.

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:18 AM

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:20 AM

Good morning! Well if someone is leading to the theory that Ron gave Haleigh to Chad's ex wife, Helen, I am going to have a hard time with that. I can see Ron accidentally causing Haleigh harm and trying to cover it up, but I can't see him giving her away........why? because she was "getting to be a handful"?:confused: Maybe I just need more coffee, and this will make sense.

I don't think Helen, or the druggie girls, or WBG have anything to do with this. I think it's all Misty.

The van scratching came from the tight squeeze into the drop-off place. <that's what I think.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 10:30 AM

Good morning! Well if someone is leading to the theory that Ron gave Haleigh to Chad's ex wife, Helen, I am going to have a hard time with that. I can see Ron accidentally causing Haleigh harm and trying to cover it up, but I can't see him giving her away........why? because she was "getting to be a handful"?:confused: Maybe I just need more coffee, and this will make sense.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me and I doubt Ron would "give" Haleigh to this woman. In fact, I think that I'm with you, I'd believe he accidently hurt her, before giving her away. It just doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense that she would steal haleigh either because Crystal has her two children.. although that's more believable then Ron giving her away.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 10:31 AM

If Misty was used to spanking/"whipping" according to Ron, perhaps she went too far in anger that last night.

Maybe Haleigh is as close as the river... weighted down with a cinderblock, as simple as that.

I doubt she's far from home.

It could be that simple, but if she beat her to death, there would have been evidence left behind no doubt in my mind. I think that if there was evidence in that home of a death LE would have found it. As far as the river goes.. I agree.. she could be in there if she is dead. They could have missed easily IMO

panache

04-27-2009, 10:33 AM

Well, well, well, another rumor seems to have legs. Ron was seen at a convenience store. Now I would hope LE knows what time Ron was there. Was it at 2am as previously rumored, or later.

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:36 AM

Pillow on her face, done pretty quickly.

She'd have gotten a lot of strength in a short time if she thought about what Ron would do if she admitted she killed Haleigh.

IMO.

panache

04-27-2009, 10:37 AM

Motomom

04-27-2009, 10:44 AM

It appears Misty had access to drugs by all indications. I really don't see her *beating Haleigh to death*, but if Misty was under stress from her 3 day sojourn, and wanted to quiet Haleigh down, perhaps she slipped Haleigh something that caused an overdose.

moo

To counter that, would she have wanted to waste them on the child? Drugs aren't cheap.. I don't know. I think it's a possibility the child was drugged, and that could leave no evidence, if it was Misty who killed her. I don't think she was killed there though. In fact, i don't think they killed her at all but thats JMO. I said beat her to death because I was responding to another post about Ron supposedly telling her to whip her.. someone said maybe she got out of hand..something like that. No I dont' think she would have beat her to death.. i do see the pillow over the face as another easy way..but i think LE would have found evidence on it. Now sure WHAT kind of evidence they would have found on it but I think something. I just cannot for the life of me imagine killing a little child like that.. or any way. I mean.. I just don't get it. I'm not suppose to I guess but still. The best scenario would be if the ex did have her in GA.. I don't think that either... though.. At this point, I'm not sure what to think and what to believe lol.

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:44 AM

Art Harris, is or was a journalist?? I forget. Anyone??

Just like all of them, he wants his story to be the most important one out there.

He gets a lot of stuff the mainstream media doesn't dig for.

Scampi

04-27-2009, 10:46 AM

So if Haleigh made such a fuss about going to bed that Misty had to call Ron, it's unlikely she (Haleigh) would be silent while someone stole her from her bed in the dead of night.

Good morning everyone. This is an excellent point. Welcome to the board.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 10:48 AM

Reposting on new thread

i just read on Art Harris a post claiming they heard on their scanner someone from Haleighbug called EMS because a 22 yr old had a seizure. Post # 96 under the the Amber and nay nay pics.

Don't know if its true yet

What's LEO stay for?

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 10:48 AM

To counter that, would she have wanted to waste them on the child? Drugs aren't cheap.. I don't know. I think it's a possibility the child was drugged, and that could leave no evidence, if it was Misty who killed her. I don't think she was killed there though. In fact, i don't think they killed her at all but thats JMO. I said beat her to death because I was responding to another post about Ron supposedly telling her to whip her.. someone said maybe she got out of hand..something like that. No I dont' think she would have beat her to death.. i do see the pillow over the face as another easy way..but i think LE would have found evidence on it. Now sure WHAT kind of evidence they would have found on it but I think something. I just cannot for the life of me imagine killing a little child like that.. or any way. I mean.. I just don't get it. I'm not suppose to I guess but still. The best scenario would be if the ex did have her in GA.. I don't think that either... though.. At this point, I'm not sure what to think and what to believe lol.

I know exactly how you feel. We'd like to believe that some real nice mama was holding and hugging the little ones who go missing, baking cookies with them because they came from bad parents who did not love them enough to keep them safe.

But that is just a dream. Reality is much too ugly in the cases where little ones go missing.

Like the 3 yr-old the uncle threw in the river in NJ this weekend. Why? No reason.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 10:52 AM

If true, she'd have to have help, imo. Misty is pretty small to be hauling 39 pounds around.

Depends on how far she had to carry her though.

In my opinion, Casey Anthony is smaller than Misty and yet she managed quite well to carry Caylee's body into the woods.

She may have only had to carry her to a vehicle and then from the vehicle to the water.

panache

04-27-2009, 10:53 AM

To counter that, would she have wanted to waste them on the child? Drugs aren't cheap.. I don't know. I think it's a possibility the child was drugged, and that could leave no evidence, if it was Misty who killed her. I don't think she was killed there though. In fact, i don't think they killed her at all but thats JMO. I said beat her to death because I was responding to another post about Ron supposedly telling her to whip her.. someone said maybe she got out of hand..something like that. No I dont' think she would have beat her to death.. i do see the pillow over the face as another easy way..but i think LE would have found evidence on it. Now sure WHAT kind of evidence they would have found on it but I think something. I just cannot for the life of me imagine killing a little child like that.. or any way. I mean.. I just don't get it. I'm not suppose to I guess but still. The best scenario would be if the ex did have her in GA.. I don't think that either... though.. At this point, I'm not sure what to think and what to believe lol.

I douby Misty ever gave a fig what drugs cost. She seemed to have access to an amble supply, just like the ciggies she likes so much.

As for Helen aka Roxie, she has a drug history also, and I think I read has other children now. I doubt she would be interested in caring for another. Sounds like the Cummings are attempting to throw another relative under the bus. First cousin Joe, now Roxy. I wonder who will be next.

mo

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 10:55 AM

What's LEO stay for?

Are you asking what LEO is an acronym for?

Law Enforcement Officer

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 10:57 AM

Law enforcement officer.

I wonder what happened at the Haleighbug Center. Hopefully we'll hear more if this isn't just another rumor.

GMTA!

Welcome to the board. The name Grace has always sounded so peaceful to me.

kitty1182

04-27-2009, 11:04 AM

So if Haleigh made such a fuss about going to bed that Misty had to call Ron, it's unlikely she (Haleigh) would be silent while someone stole her from her bed in the dead of night.

Hello and Welcome:smile:

panache

04-27-2009, 11:09 AM

GMTA!

Welcome to the board. The name Grace has always sounded so peaceful to me.

Yes, like *Grace Under Fire*. I've always loved that name. Welcome Grace on your journey thru IS.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:12 AM

I know exactly how you feel. We'd like to believe that some real nice mama was holding and hugging the little ones who go missing, baking cookies with them because they came from bad parents who did not love them enough to keep them safe.

But that is just a dream. Reality is much too ugly in the cases where little ones go missing.

Like the 3 yr-old the uncle threw in the river in NJ this weekend. Why? No reason.

What?? Where was this at?? I am in south jersey but I don't normally watch local news.. only in the mornings.. sick people in this world that's for sure..

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:14 AM

You have no knowledge of how police work if you think that way, the police leak information to media all the time to flush out the bad guys. In this case Ronald Cummings. moOH..TY for realizing I have no knowledge....and I am so glad we have someone on the board that does..

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 11:17 AM

Are you asking what LEO is an acronym for?

Law Enforcement Officer

Yea, thanks. Too easy. I was trying to make it something more, but hea, I'd just gotten up.

Still not sure why one would have been called after a medical emergency.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:17 AM

I don't think Crystal and Amber are related.
I thought I read they were related in some way..but it could have been someone other than Amber...have to start checking..

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:20 AM

IDK, I have moved sleeping children many times that never woke while I was doing itI have too X and Im sure so many others here have done the same thing...I have heard that said many times....

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:22 AM

Morning all!! It's crazy if you ask me. I read the article, it was conflicting IMO. It's hard for me to read it and pick and choose what I want to believe or what makes sense to me.Very true mom..I had to read it more than once and still had to take several more looks after that...O/T...did u get the pm I sent?

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:24 AM

Babies and toddlers, yes. Five yr olds, not so much. how about 8 and 9 years old? Yes..I can testify to that..

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 11:24 AM

I have too X and Im sure so many others here have done the same thing...I have heard that said many times....

I've also moved sleeping children, but these tots know me. I've yet to read where someone has moved a child that the person doesn't know well, and yes, my question would then be why were they doing it?

Between AH and another site I was on late last night, I'm on info overload this morning.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:25 AM

Very true mom..I had to read it more than once and still had to take several more looks after that...O/T...did u get the pm I sent?

Sorry tx.. yes I did. I didn't get to respond yet because I was camping all weekend and now I"m just slacking, waiting for work to call. I'll pm ya though.

I don't believe much of what Art Harris puts out there to be honest. In fact, I only read it today because there seems to be be nothing else in the real news about Haleigh. Some of the things I can say..well ok, that makes sense, but when your hands are dirty they are dirty kwim?

I say since CA nothing will surprise me but it will..

panache

04-27-2009, 11:26 AM

I've also moved sleeping children, but these tots know me. I've yet to read where someone has moved a child that the person doesn't know well, and yes, my question would then be why were they doing it?

Between AH and another site I was on late last night, I'm on info overload this morning.

Moving a child that was drugged should be a piece of cake.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:28 AM

how about 8 and 9 years old? Yes..I can testify to that..

LOL if my husband could carry my 12 yr old he wouldn't wake up.. My 7 and 10 yr old can stay asleep most times when they are carried into their rooms. Even if HAleigh woke up briefly, she may not have realized who had her while she was in the house either. Even once they got outside, fear my have gripped her and confusion, kind soft words spoken from a stranger or someone she vaguely knew may have calmed her.. There really is no telling IMO.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 11:31 AM

Georgia has been mentioned many times by many people.

Did Haleigh's mom live in Florida or Georgia? I read somewhere that the morning Haleigh went missing she was coming from Georgia.

AmndaRcknwth

04-27-2009, 11:32 AM

What?? Where was this at?? I am in south jersey but I don't normally watch local news.. only in the mornings.. sick people in this world that's for sure..

Here's the story, with video:
http://wcbstv.com/local/amber.alert.passaic.2.994618.html

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 11:33 AM

ITA about the river, very possible, but if Misty got carried away in punishing Haleigh wouldn't Jr have heard something?

I'd still like to know whether Jr said anything about whether MC was there?

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:34 AM

It could be that simple, but if she beat her to death, there would have been evidence left behind no doubt in my mind. I think that if there was evidence in that home of a death LE would have found it. As far as the river goes.. I agree.. she could be in there if she is dead. They could have missed easily IMO
You make sense mom..but..what if Haleigh ..oh..say fell maybe during a struggle with Misty..and struck her head and died...there would be no evidence..maybe..and the river is the only place I could imagine Misty ould have taken her to dispose of the body..I am not saying this is what happened..only playing around with theories...I cant grasp the idea of Ron giving her to someone..that would have to be found out sooner or later and whoever is bound to know it would mean alot of prison time..OH MY..too many questions and theories and quesses and I dont knows....JMO

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:36 AM

Here's the story, with video:
http://wcbstv.com/local/amber.alert.passaic.2.994618.html

Thank you.. So he leaves with the child angry and nobody calls the cops?? he tells them to watch the news and they do nothign? I dont' understand.. He didnt' jump IMO.. he's alive somewhere.. Poor little girl.Sorry for the o/t

redgurl

04-27-2009, 11:42 AM

Interesting new interview with TJ Hart.
http://www.bloggernews.net/120633

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:44 AM

I douby Misty ever gave a fig what drugs cost. She seemed to have access to an amble supply, just like the ciggies she likes so much.

As for Helen aka Roxie, she has a drug history also, and I think I read has other children now. I doubt she would be interested in caring for another. Sounds like the Cummings are attempting to throw another relative under the bus. First cousin Joe, now Roxy. I wonder who will be next.

moI agree about cousin Joe but the new names have been delivered to us by *Cobra* and his investigating..

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:47 AM

I've also moved sleeping children, but these tots know me. I've yet to read where someone has moved a child that the person doesn't know well, and yes, my question would then be why were they doing it?

Between AH and another site I was on late last night, I'm on info overload this morning.morning titan...dont keep the overload all to yourself..you can share..lol

cuppajoe

04-27-2009, 11:48 AM

OH..TY for realizing I have no knowledge....and I am so glad we have someone on the board that does..

Why the attitude texas48? If you read my post I said *if*. I do have some experience with how investigations are done and shared it. Sorry that offended you.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:49 AM

Neither do I mom.

I read the comments from Art too at the bottom. Worried about where his stories are getting posted, even naming posters at websleuths it looks like :rolleyes: childish IMO but whatever floats.

Wonder why he isn't getting search teams together to look for her? He's all about the "story" and interviewing these gems of witnesses..yet no body is physically searching for her?

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:50 AM

Sorry tx.. yes I did. I didn't get to respond yet because I was camping all weekend and now I"m just slacking, waiting for work to call. I'll pm ya though.

I don't believe much of what Art Harris puts out there to be honest. In fact, I only read it today because there seems to be be nothing else in the real news about Haleigh. Some of the things I can say..well ok, that makes sense, but when your hands are dirty they are dirty kwim?

I say since CA nothing will surprise me but it will..I agree..after KC Anthony case nothing should surprise any of us..
kinda funny..with NG it always a *bomshell* and with AH its always *an exclusive interview*..but ..at least its a little somthing..

panache

04-27-2009, 11:52 AM

I'm beginning to wonder now if both children were drugged. It would explain Junior sleeping thru the 911 call.

moo

cuppajoe

04-27-2009, 11:54 AM

I'm beginning to wonder now if both children were drugged. It would explain Junior sleeping thru the 911 call.

moo

That crossed my mind too.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:54 AM

I'm beginning to wonder now if both children were drugged. It would explain Junior sleeping thru the 911 call.

moo

Yes but he was awake after some point, because didn't the ggm take him down to the police station? So if he was "drugged" I would think (HOPE) that it would have been identified after he woke up because it wouldnt' be enough time IMO for his body to metabolize the drugs..get them out of his system. He would be sluggish at the very least I think.

panache

04-27-2009, 11:54 AM

I read the comments from Art too at the bottom. Worried about where his stories are getting posted, even naming posters at websleuths it looks like :rolleyes: childish IMO but whatever floats.

Wonder why he isn't getting search teams together to look for her? He's all about the "story" and interviewing these gems of witnesses..yet no body is physically searching for her?

I have the same *wondering* about Ron. Why is it up to AH to look for Haleigh? Ron is an able bodied, out of work man with plenty of time. Why isn't he searching?

moo

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:54 AM

If your talking about AH latest rag, I didn't see where any Cummings threw Helen under the bus in that article. Musta missed it.morning bully..good to see ya this am..I am only on my 2nd cup of coffee this am..had a heck of a weekend and still trying to get the brain working..kinda of a lost cause..I believe u read AH right..Cummings Family had nothing to do with this one..Cobra can take all the credit for this..jmo

panache

04-27-2009, 11:56 AM

Yes but he was awake after some point, because didn't the ggm take him down to the police station? So if he was "drugged" I would think (HOPE) that it would have been identified after he woke up because it wouldnt' be enough time IMO for his body to metabolize the drugs..get them out of his system. He would be sluggish at the very least I think.

Not really. If the drugs were adminsitered in the late afternoon early evening.

moo

Motomom

04-27-2009, 11:58 AM

I have the same *wondering* about Ron. Why is it up to AH to look for Haleigh? Ron is an able bodied, out of work man with plenty of time. Why isn't he searching?

moo

I guess him and Crystal are in the same boat there though panache. I think we've discussed on here that LE does not want/like family members physically searching though. I can't imagine NOT searching but I've never been in their shoes thankfully.

I guess Art just can't get a good story if all the article was to read was we searched and found nothing. He has no problem rooting these people out for exclusives. Maybe he could take it a step further is all I am saying.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 11:59 AM

I'm beginning to wonder now if both children were drugged. It would explain Junior sleeping thru the 911 call.

mooYa know Pan..thats another good thought..and that would explain why Jr didnt wake up..but would not have LE picked up on that when they arrived..? Or maybe not..

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:00 PM

Not really. If the drugs were adminsitered in the late afternoon early evening.

moo

By drugs, what are you thinking? That may be the case if they were given benedryl or something IMO, but not "drugs". They were supposedly seen at around 7 by the grandmother or great grandmother.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 12:02 PM

I have the same *wondering* about Ron. Why is it up to AH to look for Haleigh? Ron is an able bodied, out of work man with plenty of time. Why isn't he searching?

moo

Maybe ....just maybe he is looking for work.......................and,

LE has ask people not to search.

panache

04-27-2009, 12:04 PM

I guess him and Crystal are in the same boat there though panache. I think we've discussed on here that LE does not want/like family members physically searching though. I can't imagine NOT searching but I've never been in their shoes thankfully.

I guess Art just can't get a good story if all the article was to read was we searched and found nothing. He has no problem rooting these people out for exclusives. Maybe he could take it a step further is all I am saying.

I'm not a fan of AH, for many reasons, but at least in this case, he is bringing forth information that does warrant attention. I am amazed at all the local chatter I have witnessed is now coming forward via AH. If his articles cause LE to take another look, I'm all for it.

As for Ron, Tim Miller had no problem searching for his own daughter, nor did Dave Holloway. Is Ron unique that he couldn't/shouldn't search?

moo

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:05 PM

I'm not a fan of AH, for many reasons, but at least in this case, he is bringing forth information that does warrant attention. I am amazed at all the local chatter I have witnessed is now coming forward via AH. If his articles cause LE to take another look, I'm all for it.

As for Ron, Tim Miller had no problem searching for his own daughter, nor did Dave Holloway. Is Ron unique that he couldn't/shouldn't search?

moo

Wait, why are you limiting it to just Ron though? They may have looked, against the wishes of LE though IMO..

ETA that when the grandmom went out searching in the woods she stired up alot of talk right here on this very board IMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 12:07 PM

Crystal is at the Haleighbug Center. Where is Ron?

Grace,

Welcome to the board.

I am not sure that you are aware that Crystal is not at Haleighbug Center often. It is closed a lot.

Many posters have gone by and many have called...............and NO one was there.

Right now with Crystal's medical condition - not knowing what is wrong - I do not think she should be alone at all.

all moo

Owlface

04-27-2009, 12:07 PM

If true, she'd have to have help, imo. Misty is pretty small to be hauling 39 pounds around.

I don't think Misty's size has anything to do with whether or not she could haul around 39 lbs. I don't believe she and Ron would be together today if Misty got rid of Haleigh's body by herself. I believe that Misty is responsible for Haleigh being gone and I also believe that Ron knows exactly what happened.

panache

04-27-2009, 12:09 PM

Maybe ....just maybe he is looking for work.......................and,

LE has ask people not to search.

Tell that to Mark Lunsford, Josh Duckett, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.

moo

panache

04-27-2009, 12:10 PM

AH inserted himself. Do we really know what any of the players are actually doing?

Some maybe *playing*.

moo

Owlface

04-27-2009, 12:11 PM

I thought I read they were related in some way..but it could have been someone other than Amber...have to start checking..

There's two Crystals - Haleigh's mom and Ron's sister

Peaches

04-27-2009, 12:11 PM

Tell that to Mark Lunsford, Josh Duckett, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.

moo

I have read about these other cases. BUT............LE did not ask them not to search.

Scampi

04-27-2009, 12:13 PM

I have the same *wondering* about Ron. Why is it up to AH to look for Haleigh? Ron is an able bodied, out of work man with plenty of time. Why isn't he searching?

moo

IMO, for the same reason casey anthony didn't search, ronald already knows exactly where Haleigh is.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:15 PM

I have read about these other cases. BUT............LE did not ask them not to search.

I think it's pretty common that LE does not want family searching..now whether they do or not is another story. I'm torn on it because I can't imagine not searching..at the same time, I can't imagine coming apon the remains of my child. Who sent Eqquasearch away?? Why?? I know we've discussed that before too and i still don't understand it. Also..some just want to put down one side for not searching when it works both ways with NO excuses... maybe the parents themselves shouldn't be searching, but surely they have other family members, friends etc..And we have Art and Cobra and hart and all them.. it can't rest on just one person's shoulders IMO.

panache

04-27-2009, 12:16 PM

I don't think Misty's size has anything to do with whether or not she could haul around 39 lbs. I don't believe she and Ron would be together today if Misty got rid of Haleigh's body by herself. I believe that Misty is responsible for Haleigh being gone and I also believe that Ron knows exactly what happened.

I have often heard how amazing your strength is when the adrenlin(sp) is pumping.

moo

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:17 PM

I have often heard how amazing your strength is when the adrenlin(sp) is pumping.

moo

Very true.. I would think the adrenaline would carry you through. I'm still curious as to what misty was wearing when LE got there and what her state of mind was too.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 12:19 PM

Ron doesn't strike me as the type that would care about what LE tells him to do or not to do.

Grace, from EVERYONE who is creditable, they say Ron loved Haleigh more than anything.

I believe that he would be searching if he could.

You know IF he found her, everyone would have something to say about that. I am sure his attorney has advised him not to search.

It is my belief that Ron loves his children.................and, has cared for them to the best of his ability.

Saying that, I will say that he is not the ideal father but he was what Haleig had and without doubt, she loved him too.

dustyk

04-27-2009, 12:19 PM

Scampi

04-27-2009, 12:22 PM

Crystal is at the Haleighbug Center. Where is Ron?

The last I heard he was cruising by and terrorizing great grandmas. I wonder who is paying his bills, him not working and all?

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 12:23 PM

This case and especially the latest from AH gets more confusing every day, if this was a family member, how did they pass the LDT, None of them seem smart enough to fool the test. We do know Crystal. ronald and Misty have taken it and they were told they passed. I wonder if the test was offered to any other family members. Anybody here know.
I do believe that if there were any types of problems with the test such as deception they would have used that to interrogate or maybe I watch Law and Order too much. JMO

They have said they passed, yes.

LE has not confirmed that though.

The fact that LE cannot move past Haleigh's inner circle (family) speaks volumes.

panache

04-27-2009, 12:24 PM

Very true.. I would think the adrenaline would carry you through. I'm still curious as to what misty was wearing when LE got there and what her state of mind was too.

Me too Moto. I have asked that question a dozen times.

Everyone have a great afternoon. I'm off to work, my boss does nto take kindly to me being tardy.

I expect you all to have solved this case when I return.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 12:24 PM

The last I heard he was cruising by and terrorizing great grandmas. I wonder who is paying his bills, him not working and all?

Isn't he still living with Mrs. Sykes?

kitty1182

04-27-2009, 12:26 PM

IMO, for the same reason casey anthony didn't search, ronald already knows exactly where Haleigh is.

I think so too..MO

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:29 PM

Grace, from EVERYONE who is creditable, they say Ron loved Haleigh more than anything.

I believe that he would be searching if he could.

You know IF he found her, everyone would have something to say about that. I am sure his attorney has advised him not to search.

It is my belief that Ron loves his children.................and, has cared for them to the best of his ability.

Saying that, I will say that he is not the ideal father but he was what Haleig had and without doubt, she loved him too.

I bolded.. I agree with you Peaches. I don't think he was an ideal father at all, in fact, I haven't seen anyone say even such. An ideal father or not, doesn't mean he killed her or knows who did..Le is satisfied with Ron's account of that night and that came straight from LE so I believe them for now in that regards.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:31 PM

This case and especially the latest from AH gets more confusing every day, if this was a family member, how did they pass the LDT, None of them seem smart enough to fool the test. We do know Crystal. ronald and Misty have taken it and they were told they passed. I wonder if the test was offered to any other family members. Anybody here know.
I do believe that if there were any types of problems with the test such as deception they would have used that to interrogate or maybe I watch Law and Order too much. JMO

We don't know who really passed or failed that test. I believe they were all told the same thing, since they all basically said the same thing on the talk shows. Then we hear that the results were sent away..so I have no idea who passed and who failed (if they even consider it that way.)

bookie

04-27-2009, 12:33 PM

Tell that to Mark Lunsford, Josh Duckett, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.

moo

Tim Miller's daughter was murdered 25 years ago. Natalee Holloway went missing in another country. Apples to oranges. Josh Duckett and Mark Lunsford's children disappeared before the fiasco surrounding Caylee's body being found not too far away from where Haleigh disappeared.

Considering the controvery over that mess as well as Cobra and Johnny Sheffield apparently handing "evidence" to LE I can understand them not wanting anyone searching.

Owlface

04-27-2009, 12:34 PM

This case and especially the latest from AH gets more confusing every day, if this was a family member, how did they pass the LDT, None of them seem smart enough to fool the test. We do know Crystal. ronald and Misty have taken it and they were told they passed. I wonder if the test was offered to any other family members. Anybody here know.
I do believe that if there were any types of problems with the test such as deception they would have used that to interrogate or maybe I watch Law and Order too much. JMO

"Passing" a LDT is not the same as being told they've been truthful. I find it interesting that Misty said she was at home that night 'cause the LDT said so.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 12:34 PM

We don't know who really passed or failed that test. I believe they were all told the same thing, since they all basically said the same thing on the talk shows. Then we hear that the results were sent away..so I have no idea who passed and who failed (if they even consider it that way.)

But theoretically, if someone had passed (Misty) the first one, there wouldn't be a need for repeated testing would there?

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 12:35 PM

Came across something last night. The infamous van has been discussed.

What about RC's car parked in the driveway? Video on the right.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131632&catid=3

Am I correct that RC also had a truck at that time and that's what he drove to work? I remember something about him buying a new one.

Motomom

04-27-2009, 12:37 PM

But theoretically, if someone had passed (Misty) the first one, there wouldn't be a need for repeated testing would there?

I only know what I hear on tv about the test. I've heard before the test isn't a pass or fail type of test. I've heard that the one doing the test is the one reading the results, yet then I hear they were sent for review. So I'm not sure exactly how they work. How many did Misty take? Whoever did the tests must know if they were being deceptive I think. And yes, i think there would be not necessarily a "need" for a second one but they aren't even allowed in a court of law soo who's to say if it takes more than one to be accurate??

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 12:42 PM

They have said they passed, yes.

LE has not confirmed that though.

The fact that LE cannot move past Haleigh's inner circle (family) speaks volumes.

If it is true, LE cannot move past Haleigh's inner circle, perhaps that is why the mystery has not been solved. JMO

dustyk

04-27-2009, 12:44 PM

And can't you hear the screaming now if he were to find something? I can ~ "See, he knew ALL ALONG!!!!!"
I really don't know what goes on in the minds of these people, All I know if that it were my child, if Le wasn't searching I would still be. But then again where do you search? Maybe Ronald thought Amber may have had something to do with it and that is why he was in that parking lot. JMO

Scampi

04-27-2009, 12:47 PM

Isn't he still living with Mrs. Sykes?

I've heard two things, he lives with Teresa and he lives with Sykes. I don't think either has been confirmed.

dustyk

04-27-2009, 12:50 PM

well o.k. just had another thought, what if whoever took her, took her pink shirt off and went in the woods and all around the mobile home to throw the dogs off. That would explain why the shirt was in the dirty clothes. But that would require someone at that home for a long time while Misty was asleep, but then again they turned the light on, this is all so weird. JMO

Scampi

04-27-2009, 12:54 PM

As I said, Ron doesn't strike me as the type that follows what LE says to the letter.

It's a good excuse tho.

Well, perhaps if someone has a horse or atv for ronnie to ride, he'll go looking for his daughter once again. I don't recall ronald actually going out on foot looking for Haleigh, do you?

That was one of the very first red flags for me, the night Haleigh "disappeared." Upon his arrival home, ronald did not race thru that "propped open" side door, into the night, screaming and searching for Haleigh. I believe that entire scenario was staged.

BANJO GRANNY

04-27-2009, 01:04 PM

That was one of the very first red flags for me, the night Haleigh "disappeared." Upon his arrival home, ronald did not race thru that "propped open" side door, into the night, screaming and searching for Haleigh. I believe that entire scenario was staged.
snipped for space

I agree with you on this 100%
:rose:For Haleigh, Where are you sweetie

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:04 PM

Well, perhaps if someone has a horse or atv for ronnie to ride, he'll go looking for his daughter once again. I don't recall ronald actually going out on foot looking for Haleigh, do you?

That was one of the very first red flags for me, the night Haleigh "disappeared." Upon his arrival home, ronald did not race thru that "propped open" side door, into the night, screaming and searching for Haleigh. I believe that entire scenario was staged.

Could you post pictures of Crystal searching on foot, horseback or atv? Or is Ron the only one you expect to search?

Scampi

04-27-2009, 01:09 PM

kitty1182

04-27-2009, 01:11 PM

Well, perhaps if someone has a horse or atv for ronnie to ride, he'll go looking for his daughter once again. I don't recall ronald actually going out on foot looking for Haleigh, do you?

That was one of the very first red flags for me, the night Haleigh "disappeared." Upon his arrival home, ronald did not race thru that "propped open" side door, into the night, screaming and searching for Haleigh. I believe that entire scenario was staged.

I think it was all staged to for whatever reason..IMO

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:16 PM

Oh bookie, you know RC is the only one does nothing. Even tho some of us have read differently. Never never enough.

Speaking of Ron, IIRC, I read he won custody because he had a job and will provide health insurance for the kids.

What I would like to know is, since Crystal did not work, why didn't the judge think the kids would have had a full time mom at home watching them. Instead of Ron, who would have to get someone to watch the kids while he was at work. And Ron would still have to provide health insurance, no matter where the kids lived. And if Ron did not provide insurance, the state would have.
of course, all my opinions

I have no doubt the judge took into account Crystal's admitted drug use in the previous year and her admitted laziness when it was time for Haleigh's dr appt's when he made his decision.

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:23 PM

O/T?
Makes me wonder now if the "laziness" that Crystal admitted to was somehow tied to her current medical condition. I myself have had seizures. Seizures can last for seconds, minutes or hours. Seizures, no matter how big or small, can take a toll on a person and leave observers to wonder if the person is being lazy or?
If the person is unaware of the seizure (very common) then they would think they were just feeling "lazy" afterwards.
My dog has seizures. Sometimes for hours afterwards my dog is in a daze and lays around hardly moving.
...Just saying.

She didn't have her first seizure until a day or so before Haleigh disappeared so I doubt that had anything to do with her "not feeling like getting up" to take Haleigh to the dr 4 years prior.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 01:25 PM

Yes, whatta guy! The donations can't last forever. Living off of granny Sykes, most likely.If some of photos were used and Ron was paid for "licensening fees" they may not have to *live off GGM*..on the NG show not that long ago it showed a list of what the A's received..it was a pretty sum of money..IIRC. Heck..that seems to be what all do in a case anymore..

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:28 PM

If some of photos were used and Ron was paid for "licensening fees" they may not have to *live off GGM*..on the NG show not that long ago it showed a list of what the A's received..it was a pretty sum of money..IIRC. Heck..that seems to be what all do in a case anymore..

IMO it has always been done but because the show hosts liked the people involved it wasn't an issue.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 01:30 PM

I bolded.. I agree with you Peaches. I don't think he was an ideal father at all, in fact, I haven't seen anyone say even such. An ideal father or not, doesn't mean he killed her or knows who did..Le is satisfied with Ron's account of that night and that came straight from LE so I believe them for now in that regards.ITA mom with you and Peaches..I have never seen anyone on this board give Ron the father of the year award..and yes..LE has said just that and it was also stated again in the AH article..Does all that make him innocent..NO..does all that make him guilty of killing his daughter..NO.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 01:32 PM

I believe LE instructed him not to.
Your right lizzie..MO..no parent should go searching after this length of time and maybe come across their child's little body..

dustyk

04-27-2009, 01:45 PM

Maybe, bullyjo, the judge felt Ron was the better parent??? Just askin'
Judges have to make decisions everyday based on the law and instincts. Instincts are sometimes wrong and the law can be used by people who know how to use it. I really don't know who should have had custody but I sure do not believe Misty should be involved at all. if only there could be a mediator in all of this so both sides would be able to have equal time with the children since neither one of them seems to be the perfect parent. JMO

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:46 PM

I can't make that assumption. There is absolutely no way to prove that what you just said was true or false. It may very possibly be that the sezure that happened in Satsuma while she was driving was just the first "notable" seizure in that it happened while she was driving etc...
I can neither prove nor disprove.

You should catch up.

Sheffield’s family said this is the second seizure Crystal has ever gone through. They told us she suffered her first seizure two days before Haleigh was taken. Family said she did go to the doctor then, but hasn’t been able to do any follow-up visits since her daughter’s disappearance.

http://www.mytvjax.com/content/topstories/story/Haleigh-Cummings-Mother-Admitted-To-Hospital/HnJxF9TMW0y1rHFXy6QdgA.cspx

dustyk

04-27-2009, 01:47 PM

and does Crystal have a job or is she living off Chad?
what does that have to do with anything My husband wants me to quit work and stay home, I choose not to.

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 01:47 PM

bookie

04-27-2009, 01:53 PM

wow i love how Art's going off on the commenters about spreading rumors Ron was at the store at 2am when he didn't get off till 3am. He said the police have told him Ron worked his WHOLE shift and never even left for lunch

Makes me think Art has been warned about the garbage he let's get spewed on his board.

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 01:54 PM

I'm not a fan of AH, for many reasons, but at least in this case, he is bringing forth information that does warrant attention. I am amazed at all the local chatter I have witnessed is now coming forward via AH. If his articles cause LE to take another look, I'm all for it.

As for Ron, Tim Miller had no problem searching for his own daughter, nor did Dave Holloway. Is Ron unique that he couldn't/shouldn't search?

moo

Exactly. Many are wondering why RC is not searching. Dave Holloway is still searching for Natalee and she has been missing since 2005. Four years next month.
Ronald should be out there every day looking for Haleigh instead of searching for Greg.

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 01:57 PM

By drugs, what are you thinking? That may be the case if they were given benedryl or something IMO, but not "drugs". They were supposedly seen at around 7 by the grandmother or great grandmother.

Since "step mom" was having such a difficult time getting the children to go to bed and Ronald said to whip them :scared: he and Misty may have started drugging the children.

MOO

dustyk

04-27-2009, 01:58 PM

Same here dustyk. I did quit working though. My husband and I both agreed to this arrangement before our sons were born. I miss working but the kids are more important and since my Husbands income is enough for us to get by on we both feel that it is the right thing to do.
...JOO. To each their own.
ITA Patricia, niether of them graduated High School so if Crystal were to get a job it would be minimum wage at best, If Chad makes enough money to support both at least they are being supported. I wonder how judges think, Chad was awarded custody of his children and Crystal cares for them, but the judge in Ronald's case doesn't think she was the better parent. Makes you wonder JMO

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 01:59 PM

Yes, whatta guy! The donations can't last forever. Living off of granny Sykes, most likely.

I hope people stopped sending RC donations especially after the tattoo and marriage when he should have been searching for Haleigh.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 02:00 PM

and does Crystal have a job or is she living off Chad?

I don't care.

I also don't care which of RC's family is letting them live with him.

It's just something that happens and when there are little children involved that call you grandma, it's hard to turn 'em down.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:01 PM

what does that have to do with anything My husband wants me to quit work and stay home, I choose not to.
Not wanting to sound *snarky* dusty..but I think FA was making a ref. to those that are asking why is nor Ron working and living off GGM..One could say the same about Crystal..not working and living off Chad..I beliebe this was FA's point.. I may be wrong which is not unusal..

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 02:01 PM

ITA Patricia, niether of them graduated High School so if Crystal were to get a job it would be minimum wage at best, If Chad makes enough money to support both at least they are being supported. I wonder how judges think, Chad was awarded custody of his children and Crystal cares for them, but the judge in Ronald's case doesn't think she was the better parent. Makes you wonder JMO

And it would cost more than she could make just to pay day care expenses.

bookie

04-27-2009, 02:09 PM

And it would cost more than she could make just to pay day care expenses.

Not an excuse. The state offers assistance with daycare.

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 02:11 PM

you know, hannah, that wouldn't be hard to do, all they would have to do is blow pot smoke in their face, KWIM? no pills, and they would rouse fairly easily from a pot high after a while, unlike if they took a pill.

I have a question? IF Haleigh is found alive, and no one in the family had anything to do with her disappearance, do you think after everything that has been brought out that Ron will be able to keep her? Or will the state step in?

I pray that she is found alive. After all this time, that doesn't seem likely.
But if she is, No, I don't think he will be keeping her or Junior if the state does their job and investigates.

JMO... I would not let RC keep a dog.

2boysMom

04-27-2009, 02:13 PM

and does Crystal have a job or is she living off Chad?

and I wonder how Chad felt about marrying someone with such a big child support debt?

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 02:15 PM

Again, why just Ron??

As for Greg, has that been proven it was Ron searching?? If so, and as usual, I missed it.

Who do you think Lester had riding with him? Who has an interest in finding WBG? Ronald does. I am guessing he did not know the details of Misty's 3 day weekend until WBG's interview on Art's website, now he does.

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 02:15 PM

Makes me think Art has been warned about the garbage he let's get spewed on his board.

Been warned? Who would be warning him? I thought all the comments were held for review before they were posted on that site.

Hannah21

04-27-2009, 02:17 PM

Does the same not apply to Ron? Crystal could get a family member to sit. Misty could go to work. Chad could quit his job and stay home. Amber could babysit them all. Sorry, I know this sounds ridiculous, but there seem to be excuses for everybody.

I imagine all of them could give excuses. Personally, I think all of them should be working.
And speaking of work, lunch is over and I have to get back to my job.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 02:18 PM

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:19 PM

Since "step mom" was having such a difficult time getting the children to go to bed and Ronald said to whip them :scared: he and Misty may have started drugging the children.

MOO

I do not believe this for one moment.

This is how rumors get started.

BTW.........most kids do not want to go to bed on certain nights.

AND...........when playing outside, do not want to come in/when in the bathtub do not want to get out/etc.

This is just being kids.

MOO

bookie

04-27-2009, 02:19 PM

Been warned? Who would be warning him? I thought all the comments were held for review before they were posted on that site.

No not all comments are held for review and warned by Ron and/or his attorneys. And just to be clear I didn't say he was warned, just that that was my opinion.

A lot of posts on his site are libelous. Art is in the midst of a libel suit right now. Maybe he's just being careful. :shrug:

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 02:22 PM

Don't see this reported here, and remember it's only a rumor, but it's out that MC, who has said she is innocent and doesn't need a lawyer, has lawyered up.

And the soap opera continues!

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:22 PM

ITA Patricia, niether of them graduated High School so if Crystal were to get a job it would be minimum wage at best, If Chad makes enough money to support both at least they are being supported. I wonder how judges think, Chad was awarded custody of his children and Crystal cares for them, but the judge in Ronald's case doesn't think she was the better parent. Makes you wonder JMO

MOO is that Crystal is not caring for Chad's children. She is not there to do it.

Also, please show me where it has been proven that a judge said that it is okay for Crystal to take care of Chad's children.....if you know this to be a fact. TIA

MOO

bookie

04-27-2009, 02:23 PM

I have a friend (she's single) who does this assistance with daycare program here in the state I live in. With her car insurance, living costs and what have you, even with the assistance program they constantly struggle. She is always asking to borrow money for gas. If she had a live-in boyfriend who worked she still wouldn't make any money extra if she had to pay for the childcare herself. The childcare would take up every bit of the money she made and it would be as if she was working just to pay for the childcare itself.

Crystal owed all of her children. She owed Haleigh and Junior child support and she owed Chloe a better life. The only way she could provide that was to get a job. She could have taken her GED and found a better paying job. She could have taken her GED then some college courses. Bottom line is she had options to better herself and get a good job, she obviously chose not to.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:24 PM

I hope people stopped sending RC donations especially after the tattoo and marriage when he should have been searching for Haleigh.

So sad to wish that Ron, Jr. did not get support of the public.

But that is just me.

Do you think that people should send money to Crystal and her baby girl when she has Chad to support her?

Just asking............

MOO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:25 PM

you know, hannah, that wouldn't be hard to do, all they would have to do is blow pot smoke in their face, KWIM? no pills, and they would rouse fairly easily from a pot high after a while, unlike if they took a pill.

I have a question? IF Haleigh is found alive, and no one in the family had anything to do with her disappearance, do you think after everything that has been brought out that Ron will be able to keep her? Or will the state step in?
always hate to see children become ward of the state but not so sure in this case..just dont know.

bookie

04-27-2009, 02:25 PM

Who do you think Lester had riding with him? Who has an interest in finding WBG? Ronald does. I am guessing he did not know the details of Misty's 3 day weekend until WBG's interview on Art's website, now he does.

So the woman who supposedly id'd Ron's dad just didn't bother to mention that Ron was driving?

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:28 PM

Not an excuse. The state offers assistance with daycare.
Yep and its free..no cost.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:28 PM

And it would cost more than she could make just to pay day care expenses.

BUT, she chose to have that third child with a man to whom she is not married knowing that she had been ordered by the court to pay child support for the first 2 children she had.

NOW............if this were Ron not paying child support to his children...........all hezz would be let loose on this board.

Although.............Crystal is given a pass. Just can not understand this.

If she had been paying as she should have, maybe Ron would have been able to make better choices. You do with what you have been given................

MOO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:31 PM

and I wonder how Chad felt about marrying someone with such a big child support debt?now that you said that makes me wounder if child support all equaled out..If Chad's ex has to pay CS for 2 children and Crystal has to pay CS for 2 children...No ones out any money..exceot for Chad's ex..right? Did I do that right..? Oh my..

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:31 PM

and I wonder how Chad felt about marrying someone with such a big child support debt?

Mom, Crystal is not married.

bookie

04-27-2009, 02:34 PM

now that you said that makes me wounder if child support all equaled out..If Chad's ex has to pay CS for 2 children and Crystal has to pay CS for 2 children...No ones out any money..exceot for Chad's ex..right? Did I do that right..? Oh my..

You did it right.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:36 PM

No not all comments are held for review and warned by Ron and/or his attorneys. And just to be clear I didn't say he was warned, just that that was my opinion.

A lot of posts on his site are libelous. Art is in the midst of a libel suit right now. Maybe he's just being careful. :shrug:I have read AH for a long time..I can except what I read or throw it over my shoulder...and yes he is being sued..my thoughts now is I wounder if Ron's attorneys have been keeping up with all the rumors and such that have been said about him and what if any will they also file suit? just a thought..

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:37 PM

Don't see this reported here, and remember it's only a rumor, but it's out that MC, who has said she is innocent and doesn't need a lawyer, has lawyered up.

And the soap opera continues!

MOO is that she should have one to speak for her.

When some say Crystal needing someone to talk for her, Misty is even more needy. MOO She does not even know the meaning of simple words. Bless her! She needs someone who has her best interest at heart.

Saying that.................where did you hear this? I missed it but have thought for a long time she should get herself an attorney.

All MOO

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 02:38 PM

Since "step mom" was having such a difficult time getting the children to go to bed and Ronald said to whip them :scared: he and Misty may have started drugging the children.

MOO

I have finally gotten caught up on the posts today - & I am surprised that the subject of the dynamics of the relationship with Misty - Ron - Haleigh & Junior has not been discussed.

I am referring to the comment from Ron's co-worker that a week or more before Haleigh went missing, Misty called Ron at work, very upset over a situation involving getting Haleigh to bed. Why would Misty do that?

She was the sole caretaker of the children while Ron was at work. Considering the shift that Ron worked, getting the children to bed at the designated time would be her job every night that Ron worked.

Why would she have had such difficulties with a 5 year old that it required her to call Ron? Did she not have the patience & forebearance to deal with such a comon situation like that on her own? According to her, she was childcare giver extraordinaire - she had kept all sorts of children before Ron's kids, she was good with them, they loved her. If that was so, I would have expected her to have faced such a situation before, enough times that she would have developed some skills for how to deal with it. Children have been balking at bedtime since the begining of time - that just is not a novel scenario, IMO.

Was Misty having that much difficulty with other issues as well? How likely (or unlikely) is it that when it came to the kids, Misty took on the role of being 'the reporter of bad behavior'? That she 'tattled' on the kids? That she may have been inclined to complain about Haleigh, in a juvenile attempt to knock her (Haleigh) down a peg, lower her father's estimation of her as the apple of his eye, his favorite?

I recall that way long time ago, we heard Misty stating on camera that she & Haleigh had everything alike. That if she had something, Haleigh had the same thing. That if Misty has shoes like 'this' - Haleigh had to have shoes like 'this'.

Personally, I think it may have galled Misty to no end that no matter what she did, Haleigh was more loved by Ron that she (Misty) was. Haleigh always had top position & always would. And if that was true, it sure would go a long way towards explaining that look of smug satisfaction & victory we saw on Misty's face re: the wedding. I get the impression she was getting more satisfaction out of 'winning', that she came out on top of the competition for Ron's attention & affection.

(reference: I got your man, I'll get your child - same mindset)

JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:40 PM

Crystal owed all of her children. She owed Haleigh and Junior child support and she owed Chloe a better life. The only way she could provide that was to get a job. She could have taken her GED and found a better paying job. She could have taken her GED then some college courses. Bottom line is she had options to better herself and get a good job, she obviously chose not to.

I read on Haleighbug site that some of the donations would be used to help Crystal with an education/trade/etc.

If this is so..............it would be a good idea. She may need to support herself and 3 children. Who knows if she and Chad will ever marry............things happen ................ we will just have to wait and see how the cookie crumbles.

MOO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:40 PM

You did it right.Thanks bookie..pretty bad when you have to have someone check out what you are thinking,,lol

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:41 PM

can someone verify this asap?

If she HAS lawyered up, does this mean maybe LE is getting closer to finding the truth?oh my gosh..X..you may be right..why would she lawyer up if not..?

2boysMom

04-27-2009, 02:49 PM

Mom, Crystal is not married.

I know, but they're engaged to be married. He'd be marrying someone with a large debt IMO

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 02:49 PM

I have a question? IF Haleigh is found alive, and no one in the family had anything to do with her disappearance, do you think after everything that has been brought out that Ron will be able to keep her? Or will the state step in?

<snipped>

I don't think he would. They might question his willingness to leave young children with a 17 year old who just spent a 3-day weekend binging & doing drugs - & he can't even say that young woman would no longer be the primary caregiver while he is at work - he married her.

JMO

Scampi

04-27-2009, 02:50 PM

Crystal has no choice about quitting work. She has been ordered to pay child support....

Have you?

Depending on how severe Crystal's medical problems are, she may not work for a very long time. imo.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 02:51 PM

I think we all agree that she made bad choices. She isn't the only person in this world who is doing that. It happens.
No one is getting a "pass" in my book. I can clearly see how this whole scenario is a recipe for disaster and unfortunately the type of disaster that we are now discussing involves the disappearance of a sweet and innocent little girl. I personally wouldn't befriend any of the adult characters in this tragedy. JMO. None of us can see into this case beyond being from the outside looking in. I can make judgements either for or against each and every one of them all day long but how exactly is that going to contribute to finding this little girl?
There is a possibility that one of the character's might show some type of behavioral trend that might and could possibly develop into a clue somehow but it would only be a clue. The end result and what we all have in common here is that we all have concern for finding this child.
I for one am in support of each and every poster who remembers our common goal above all else.excellent post..Crystal has made mistakes in her life just has Cah..Ron..Misty..let me make it shorter..ALL that we know of in these families..I wont kick Crystal when shes down or even Ron..They should have 2nd chances..and 3rd..and so forth..I cannot find one person in my family that is perfect..and I dont believe that a person cannot change for the better..I hope if ANYTHING can come from this is they will try and make peace with themselves and with each other..Those children need ALL the help they can get..JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 02:55 PM

Do you owe back child support like Crystal does?
IF it's chad that doesn't want her working then you would think he would pay her bills?
Didn't i hear some where that she bought her own home? Who pays for that?

FA, I read somewhere that she was going to get a big settlement for that accident she had. Someone hit her ------- a bad accident.

Also, if she can drive a new car, she can pay a little of her child support. MOO

$100 a month - beats nothing.

Does anyone know if she received welfare for baby girl since she is not working? Does she receive WIC for her?

Just asking.................

2boysMom

04-27-2009, 02:57 PM

Depending on how severe Crystal's medical problems are, she may not work for a very long time. imo.

A couple of seizures in a couple of months will not get her on disability.

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 02:58 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

A bloody mess at Haleighbug HQs. JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:00 PM

excellent post..Crystal has made mistakes in her life just has Cah..Ron..Misty..let me make it shorter..ALL that we know of in these families..I wont kick Crystal when shes down or even Ron..They should have 2nd chances..and 3rd..and so forth..I cannot find one person in my family that is perfect..and I dont believe that a person cannot change for the better..I hope if ANYTHING can come from this is they will try and make peace with themselves and with each other..Those children need ALL the help they can get..JMO

Excellent thoughts...................no one is perfect. moo

Everyone deserves to be given a chance to change.............

YES........it would be good if all in these children's lives could put past grudges ...........and do what is best for the children.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:03 PM

A couple of seizures in a couple of months will not get her on disability.

With all the medicines out there, many can control seizures.

If she is not working, and she and Chad are not married, who is paying for her medical expenses..............welfare?

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 03:03 PM

Oh no it has to be Crystal, doesn't it? what would she be doing there at that time? Oh, I hope she's not hurt badly!

They did say it was a female and that she had a seizure, fell and lost a lot of blood.

I thought she was living there. JMO

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 03:05 PM

SAY WHAT....

Witnesses tell WSKY that a hatchet was also found inside the Haleigh Bug building.

I pray this is NOT true:scared:

Don't know if the hatchet had anything to do with injury, as they said a female had a seizure, fell and lost a lot of blood. JMO

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 03:06 PM

A couple of seizures in a couple of months will not get her on disability.

It will depend on the underlying cause of the seizures.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:07 PM

SAY WHAT....

Witnesses tell WSKY that a hatchet was also found inside the Haleigh Bug building.

I pray this is NOT true:scared:

Did you notice the time...............l am when it happened.

I hope that Crystal is okay...........also, she needs to get medical attention right away.............I would not want anything awful to happen to her.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:08 PM

They did say it was a female and that she had a seizure, fell and lost a lot of blood.

I thought she was living there. JMO

On that last video she said that she was staying with family.

She should not be left alone.

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 03:09 PM

I can make judgements either for or against each and every one of them all day long but how exactly is that going to contribute to finding this little girl?
There is a possibility that one of the character's might show some type of behavioral trend that might and could possibly develop into a clue somehow but it would only be a clue. The end result and what we all have in common here is that we all have concern for finding this child.
I for one am in support of each and every poster who remembers our common goal above all else.

<snipped>

I'm not sure I am following what you are saying. Can you clarify?

I have no doubt that the majority of the posters here have a common interest in the wellbeing of children, including the children of strangers, but I don't know how many of us can do one blessed thing about working towards the goal of specifically finding Haleigh. I know there is pretty much nothing I can personally do in the way of finding her - I live smack in the middle of Texas & she went missing from Florida. To the best of my knowledge, I personally know no one who could even be remotely associated to the individuals in Haleigh's life.

JMO

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 03:10 PM

With all the medicines out there, many can control seizures.

If she is not working, and she and Chad are not married, who is paying for her medical expenses..............welfare?

That is the second time in the last few minutes you have mentioned Crystal and "welfare" in the same post.

Whether or not Crystal or her children receive assistance is really none of our business and even if it were, it doesn't make her a bad or lesser person.

My own grandmother received assistance. She didn't like it, didn't like asking for it, and was darn glad to be able to not need it anymore.

It's just my opinion, but that does seem awfully judgmental of Crystal.

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 03:11 PM

Why would Crystal be there so late? Is she living there now?

Didn't the article say something about witnesses? When it was first said that she would live there, I wondered if a place that small was really a place someone could live for an extended period of time. JMO

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 03:13 PM

Crystal has no choice about quitting work. She has been ordered to pay child support....

Snipped

Too bad the person(s) she had the wreck with didn't know that. Too bad the economy didn't know that she had to have a job when so many other people don't.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 03:15 PM

I know, but they're engaged to be married. He'd be marrying someone with a large debt IMO

He wouldn't be the first person, and it's really up to them.

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 03:16 PM

I hope Art post about it or Jane talks about it tonight. i've given up on Nancy talking about Haleigh :(

I'm don't think TJH will turn down an invitation to appear on JVM. What are the local TV stations? Wonder if they have anything about it. JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:19 PM

That is the second time in the last few minutes you have mentioned Crystal and "welfare" in the same post.

Whether or not Crystal or her children receive assistance is really none of our business and even if it were, it doesn't make her a bad or lesser person.

My own grandmother received assistance. She didn't like it, didn't like asking for it, and was darn glad to be able to not need it anymore.

It's just my opinion, but that does seem awfully judgmental of Crystal.

I am sorry but IF Crystal decided to have this baby with Chad, maybe - just maybe she should have gotten married so that she could be on his insurance.

Sorry.............but, I think everyone should be responsible for themselves. And this is not just me.

My question still is.....................who is paying for her car/her medicine/her home/etc.

You know with everyone wondering who is supporting Ron, I just thought I would ask who is supporting Crystal and child.

BTW.............I am all for a "hand up" but not for living on welfare as a way of life as some seem todo.

MOO

dustyk

04-27-2009, 03:19 PM

Crystal has no choice about quitting work. She has been ordered to pay child support....

Have you?

Don't like personal questions. The court didn't say that she had to work just set the child support, she cares for Chad's children maybe he will pay the child support. chad is the ony one employed here. JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:21 PM

Didn't the article say something about witnesses? When it was first said that she would live there, I wondered if a place that small was really a place someone could live for an extended period of time. JMO

In that last video posted here, Crystal said that she was staying with family.

With her medical condition at this time, I hope she is not being left alone with her baby.

Bless them.

dustyk

04-27-2009, 03:22 PM

I am sorry but IF Crystal decided to have this baby with Chad, maybe - just maybe she should have gotten married so that she could be on his insurance.

Sorry.............but, I think everyone should be responsible for themselves. And this is not just me.

My question still is.....................who is paying for her car/her medicine/her home/etc.

You know with everyone wondering who is supporting Ron, I just thought I would ask who is supporting Crystal and child.

BTW.............I am all for a "hand up" but not for living on welfare as a way of life as some seem todo.

MOO
Yes but don't forget Ronald went on to have another baby with Amber and possibly with Misty. and question about who is supporting her is her business but obviously someone is. JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:22 PM

Snipped

Too bad the person(s) she had the wreck with didn't know that. Too bad the economy didn't know that she had to have a job when so many other people don't.

There is always work for those with Crystal's skills. MOO

The person who hit her is being sued..............she is expecting a big settlement.

MOO

Scampi

04-27-2009, 03:23 PM

A couple of seizures in a couple of months will not get her on disability.

I've heard nothing about Crystal seeking any type of disability due to seizures.

I would hope tho, that Crystal has her medical team evaluate and determine if the seizures are due to her car accident.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:26 PM

Yes but don't forget Ronald went on to have another baby with Amber and possibly with Misty. and question about who is supporting her is her business but obviously someone is. JMO

But not paying her children..........sad.

We do not know for sure that Ron has another child.

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 03:27 PM

My intention was to let everyone know what is in my own head on everything is all.

<snipped>

Thanks! I appreciate the info. We've got a lot of bad weather going on around here & it is interfering with the usual multi-tasking (plus trying to keep up with the latest on the swine flu outbreak), so I thought I may have completely missed something.

:seeya:

I am very disturbed about the reports of someone having a seizure at the Haleighbug center. It seems most likely that it would be Crystal. I would have expected that the doctor(s) who first treated her would have started her on Dilantin or another anti-convulsant - & if that is so, it is not a good indication for her to be having more seizures.

JMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:29 PM

what kind of skills does she have that are in such demand?

Food services
House Cleaning
Baby sitting
ETC..................there are always these jobs available

It has been posted that she was a waitress...........so many always available.

Scampi

04-27-2009, 03:31 PM

If her $4,000 in back child support (since Feb.) is any indication....she hasn't worked for a year already.

Makes a person feel a wee bit of sympathy for Chad G. and his carrying the load for 5 already (if he has his 2 kids as stated) knowing Crystal wants to add two more dependents to his check.....

Also, welcome to the boards Grace!

How do you figure Chad G. is responsible for Haleigh and/or Junior's child support?

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:31 PM

<snipped>

Thanks! I appreciate the info. We've got a lot of bad weather going on around here & it is interfering with the usual multi-tasking (plus trying to keep up with the latest on the swine flu outbreak), so I thought I may have completely missed something.

:seeya:

I am very disturbed about the reports of someone having a seizure at the Haleighbug center. It seems most likely that it would be Crystal. I would have expected that the doctor(s) who first treated her would have started her on Dilantin or another anti-convulsant - & if that is so, it is not a good indication for her to be having more seizures.

JMO

Dosage may need adjusting. I hope they find out what is wrong with her. She is so young ---------- prayers for good health.

2boysMom

04-27-2009, 03:36 PM

He wouldn't be the first person, and it's really up to them.

My original question was "I wonder how he feels about it". I just think there could be motive there, and I hope he is being scrutinized along with all the others. JMO

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 03:37 PM

No excuse. Her wreck was nearly 2 years ago.

I haven't read a single page from her medical records, so I have no idea what residual effects she may have from that accident. For all I know, the seizures she has been having could be related to the earlier accident.

I also tend to not lean too harshly against the idea of mothers of infants taking care of their babies. It is better for the infants to not be exposed to all the germs of daycare, for one thing. From reading some of the posts here, I get the idea that the notion of mothers taking care of their infant children is now out of favor (more is the pity for the children & our society as a whole, IMO)

If Crystal's ability to find employment is being hampered by the generally wretched state of our economy, she is in mighty good company. My son has far more advanced & desireable skills (& payscale) than she does & he was laid off for months until very recently - & he is sweating bullets every day, hoping the job assignment he is on now will last.

JMO

dustyk

04-27-2009, 03:40 PM

I was only asking a question when you put your own personal business on this board.
If you don't like "personal questions" I suggest you no longer post personal statements.
IMO, as always.
please do not suggest what I choose to post or not post. Your question about me paying child support is none of your business. I thought this board was about Haleigh Cummings.JMO

calamitygirl

04-27-2009, 03:41 PM

Peaches

04-27-2009, 03:42 PM

I haven't read a single page from her medical records, so I have no idea what residual effects she may have from that accident. For all I know, the seizures she has been having could be related to the earlier accident.

I also tend to not lean too harshly against the idea of mothers of infants taking care of their babies. It is better for the infants to not be exposed to all the germs of daycare, for one thing. From reading some of the posts here, I get the idea that the notion of mothers taking care of their infant children is now out of favor (more is the pity for the children & our society as a whole, IMO)

If Crystal's ability to find employment is being hampered by the generally wretched state of our economy, she is in mighty good company. My son has far more advanced & desireable skills (& payscale) than she does & he was laid off for months until very recently - & he is sweating bullets every day, hoping the job assignment he is on now will last.

JMO

Many mothers are stay at home moms when their babies are young, but most of them are married and have support from their husbands.

Crystal decided to have another child knowing that she needed to help with the 2 she already have.

Do you think that Crystal ONLY has an obligation to the one child she has or all three?

dustyk

04-27-2009, 03:44 PM

Many mothers are stay at home moms when their babies are young, but most of them are married and have support from their husbands.

Crystal decided to have another child knowing that she needed to help with the 2 she already have.

Do you think that Crystal ONLY has an obligation to the one child she has or all three?
all three and Ronald all three as well IMO

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 03:44 PM

I agree and I too suspect that it was Crystal. We "might" get confirmation of this later. Sad. FYI not every person responds to the different convulsant medications right away or at all. There are several different medications available and sometimes it is trial and error to find out which one works best.

Yes, I know about that trial-and-error routine & the periodic adjusting that is often necessary. My 1st S-I-L has been on anti-convulsants for more than 20 years & it has been a long, difficult journey for him (& others I know who take them).

I hope for Crystal's sake that the cause of her seizures will be discovered & effectively managed sooner rather than later.

JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 03:50 PM

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

A bloody mess at Haleighbug HQs. JMO

At this point I will seek comfort in believing this guy is doing the same thing he did when trying to allege Junior was an accomplice to an attempted abduction of Amber's child.

I have little to no faith in this guy or Art who is now engaging in cyber-wars with MESSAGE BOARDS....GMAB :thumbdown: I almost feel sorry for Art now that he has reached his new low.

I continue to hope THIS ENTIRE DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY who is longing to find their missing family member HALEIGH CUMMINGS:wub: will remain in good health. JMO.

If it's true and Crystal is the injured, judging by the allegations made, it would seem she will know just how much bleeding can come from a facial injury now. So if it's her, she will be able to understand how it could have been for Haleigh too. After all, according to this report, she fell on the floor after a seizure and Haleigh fell from the monkey bars. Again, I continue to hope he is putting out another hyped up story and that Crystal is okay right now.

Lynn Gweeny

04-27-2009, 03:51 PM

does anyone have a link to TJH's twitter?

Click on "Show Conversation" on the tweet 5th from the bottom. I happened upon this the other day, and well, TJ Hart should be ashamed of himself, imo. :thumbdown:

http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=1596177400&page=2&q=Sky973

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 03:52 PM

Food services
House Cleaning
Baby sitting
ETC..................there are always these jobs available

It has been posted that she was a waitress...........so many always available.

Day after day - for months, the news stories have been plentiful about the increasing number of jobs that are lost, the difficulties of finding new employment, the realities of applying for a job & finding out that the prospective employer has gotten 100+ applicants for one position. How in the world have you missed that?

Always jobs available for house cleaning & baby sitting? You must be kidding.

JMO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 03:53 PM

On that last video she said that she was staying with family.

She should not be left alone.I agree Peaches..I would think her mom would not leave her there by herself..I am a mom of grown children and i would not..I thought she was going back and forth..I wounder where the baby is..? Oh my..

calamitygirl

04-27-2009, 03:53 PM

Depending on how severe Crystal's medical problems are, she may not work for a very long time. imo.

That may be true for now and the future, but what about before?

Scampi

04-27-2009, 03:55 PM

Click on "Show Conversation" on the tweet 5th from the bottom. I happened upon this the other day, and well, TJ Hart should be ashamed of himself, imo. :thumbdown:

http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=1596177400&page=2&q=Sky973

Lynn, I could be wrong on this, but I recall reading somewhere that TJ apologized for that, saying he did not mean to imply that Crystal was coming on to him. Possibly Art Harris's site.

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 03:56 PM

At this point I will seek comfort in believing this guy is doing the same thing he did when trying to allege Junior was an accomplice to an attempted abduction of Amber's child.

I have little to no faith in this guy or Art who is now engaging in cyber-wars with MESSAGE BOARDS....GMAB :thumbdown: I almost feel sorry for Art now that he has reached his new low.

I continue to hope THIS ENTIRE DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY who is longing to find their missing family member HALEIGH CUMMINGS:wub: will remain in good health. JMO.

If it's true and Crystal is the injured, judging by the allegations made, it would seem she will know just how much bleeding can come from a facial injury now. So if it's her, she will be able to understand how it could have been for Haleigh too. After all, according to this report, she fell on the floor after a seizure and Haleigh fell from the monkey bars. Again, I continue to hope he is putting out another hyped up story and that Crystal is okay right now.

He took as much leeway as possible, especially mentioning a hatchet. If the person did fall, then the hatchet probably doesn't have anything to do with the injury. I do hope whomever it was did not have a serious injury. IIRC, he said there was a lot of blood lost, but there were witnesses. Wonder if they tried to stop the blood. Also wonder why anyone was there at 1:00 AM. JMO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 03:56 PM

my bold

Ron is........My theorie was *IF* all CS was being paid then only Helen would be out..unless she is maybe collecting CS from another exhusband..and the line goes on..lol

Scampi

04-27-2009, 03:57 PM

That may be true for now and the future, but what about before?

I thought Crystal had been paying the support and then she had the horrible car crash and could not work, so the amount continued to acrue. IIRC, there was also a clerical error involving no child support being withdrawn from her check.

Lynn Gweeny

04-27-2009, 04:01 PM

Lynn, I could be wrong on this, but I recall reading somewhere that TJ apologized for that, saying he did not mean to imply that Crystal was coming on to him. Possibly Art Harris's site.

Well, I'm glad he did, but to even suggest this about Crystal at ALL is quite disturbing. Just what was HE thinking .... and with what WAS he thinking. It was just distasteful to even suggest and imply such BY Crystal. JMO

dustyk

04-27-2009, 04:01 PM

when Crystal had custody of the two children Ron always paid CS.
I wasn't aware Crystal ever had custody. Was there set Child support? What about JOrdan? JMO

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 04:05 PM

I am sorry but IF Crystal decided to have this baby with Chad, maybe - just maybe she should have gotten married so that she could be on his insurance.

Do we know what benefits are available to him through his employer? How do we know he had health insurance in the first place?

dustyk

04-27-2009, 04:09 PM

ohhhhhhhhhhh.... Have they done a dna test? How do we know that's Ron's child? are we suppose to take Ambers word on who she slept with?
Well I don't guess we should take Ronald's word either he did say possibly didn't he. Would any moral Father wait on a DNA test when there is a child with a disability. From what is sounds like down there it is common knowledge that he is Ronald's child Misty herself said she met Ronald when she was babysitting for his other child and can't forget "i Have your Man, I will have your child" JMO

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 04:12 PM

I love this "-Amber and Nay Nay are two very key players right now.....trust me!" http://search.twitter.com/search?max_id=1596177400&page=2&q=Sky973

I have a gut feeling he MIGHT be right.

have the two girls went to rehab yet?

He is one busy guy. What with all the investigating he is doing and now twittering. I am beginning to think they may have been involved. I wonder how long LE has been aware of all of this and if he and AH putting it out there got in the way of LE completing their investigation. JMO

sleuth

04-27-2009, 04:13 PM

I agree, combined the three do not make one perfect parent (not that there is such a thing) but he may have gone for what in his opinion was the lesser of two evils.

Reading the 2005 document was at the least unbelivable to me. Ron's answers were accepted. Crystal was informed she needed proof or a witness to her answers BUT Best of all Ron accually interupted Magistate Praugh to interject-- Judge I'd like to say something. Her mother has a bad rap sheet. Hello this case is complicated but so many things are being over looked. Involving all. I'm not a Crystal lover, but I believe in Justice.

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 04:14 PM

what kind of man brings a third child into the world with no health insurance? Speaks volumes to me.

That's the last thing on someone's mind when a child is created.

dustyk

04-27-2009, 04:18 PM

what kind of man brings a third child into the world with no health insurance? Speaks volumes to me.
We don't know if Chad has health ins but we do know Ronald Cummings does not. JMO

Santa'sMom

04-27-2009, 04:19 PM

ohhhhhhhhhhh.... Have they done a dna test? How do we know that's Ron's child? are we suppose to take Ambers word on who she slept with?

I thought I read that Ronald's name is on Jordan's birth certificate? You can't put the father's name on the birth certificate if you aren't married unless you have the father's consent, from what I understand. I could be wrong. I'll ask someone in L&D tonight at work.

Santa'sMom

04-27-2009, 04:21 PM

what kind of man brings a third child into the world with no health insurance? Speaks volumes to me.

Ronald? Is Misty pregnant? Her party buddies said that the reason she left Ronald for the weekend was that he got mad when she told him she was pregnant, correct? That would make 4 babies with no insurance.

Santa'sMom

04-27-2009, 04:25 PM

I thought Crystal had been paying the support and then she had the horrible car crash and could not work, so the amount continued to acrue. IIRC, there was also a clerical error involving no child support being withdrawn from her check.

Plus, she is only 12 months behind, at most, so it isn't like she never paid child support. She was in an accident and she went through a pregnancy. Doesn't make it right but it does help explain it a bit.

?noanswer

04-27-2009, 04:25 PM

Wow. Who is 22? Crystal is 24. And what's up with these seizures?

I guess my eyesight is getting worse, but I did not see an age posted. JMO

Santa'sMom

04-27-2009, 04:28 PM

ummm do you have proof Misty's pregnant or that Ron has a third child? Try to stay on topic ok. thanks

Read my post again. I ASKED if she was pregnant. Also, I was answering YOUR post so if I'm off topic, you are too. You seem to know all the answers about Ronald. Care to back up your claims that he paid child support to Crystal when she supposedly had custody? I haven't read it anywhere.

dustyk

04-27-2009, 04:31 PM

I would never suggest to you what to post about. Just don't be surprised when you get a reply about personal issues YOU post here.
I think you are insisting on being hostile to me. Wonder what that is about. JMO

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 04:32 PM

I thought Crystal had been paying the support and then she had the horrible car crash and could not work, so the amount continued to acrue. IIRC, there was also a clerical error involving no child support being withdrawn from her check.

A clerical error????:rolleyes:

Do you have a link to this clerical error? TIA. jmo

Santa'sMom

04-27-2009, 04:35 PM

It's different because that is why Ron was awarded custody and Crystal was not. Ron was employed and able to provide insurance. Now he's not.

Ron was awarded custody because he already had physical custody of the kids, he was working, he was living in Putnam County while Crystal was living in a different county, and Crystal did not have an attorney with her at the hearing. Judges don't like to take kids from the home they're already in and they like to send them to another county even less, from what I've witnessed with friends' divorces. The judge told them that they were to make sure the kids had health insurance, even if it was Medicaid. Haleigh probably already has Medicaid due to her Turner's as there is a seperate Medicaid for kids with chronic illnesses. jmo, of course.

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Well I don't guess we should take Ronald's word either he did say possibly didn't he. Would any moral Father wait on a DNA test when there is a child with a disability. From what is sounds like down there it is common knowledge that he is Ronald's child Misty herself said she met Ronald when she was babysitting for his other child and can't forget "i Have your Man, I will have your child" JMO

So now, we are to believe Misty is a pathologist who can determine DNA?:scared:

Bottom line is that Ronald Cummings has stated it is POSSIBLE he may have another child and without a DNA test nobody here knows who the biological father of Amber Brook's child really is IMO. You stating it as a fact doesn't mean it is true, anymore than Art Harris claiming it's a fact IMO. It's okay to change your opinion, but it's not okay to change the facts as we know them IMO.:wink:

Mimi428

04-27-2009, 04:41 PM

Well the Judge never said that..........So how do you know that's the reason Ron got custody? are you saying it had nothing to do with the fact Crystal said she was just too lazy to take her sick child to the dr?

Hmmmm, seems your memory is failing you - you & I went over this 3 weeks ago -

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12972453&highlight=magistrate#post12972453

I wrote the following post in response to something you wrote...

Originally Posted by FallenAngel~
and yet he was granted custody.

Page 48 of the hearing on Dec 27, 2005, the magistrate plainly says...

I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father presently is employed,...

Page 49

...I'm going to find that the Mother is unemployed

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/.../cummings1.pdf

For one reason, with no equivocation, no may be, no could be, no possibly - "based on the fact that the Father presently is employed..."

If your memory is failing you on that, I'm not sure I can put much confidence in your memory that RC was paying child support.

JMO

Lynn Gweeny

04-27-2009, 04:44 PM

Lol, you're right. I saw 22 years old somewhere...but it's not in the article from Sky. :confused:

Here ya go, Grace. It's on the previous article about JVM on the Art Harris site.

Comment #97

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/24/haleigh-cummings-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 04:46 PM

Ron was awarded custody because he already had physical custody of the kids, he was working, he was living in Putnam County while Crystal was living in a different county, and Crystal did not have an attorney with her at the hearing. Judges don't like to take kids from the home they're already in and they like to send them to another county even less, from what I've witnessed with friends' divorces. The judge told them that they were to make sure the kids had health insurance, even if it was Medicaid. Haleigh probably already has Medicaid due to her Turner's as there is a seperate Medicaid for kids with chronic illnesses. jmo, of course.

It is correct medicaid was already in place and is discussed in the transcripts. Another reason Ron was given custody was largely due to the missed doctor appointments while under Crystal's care and the FACT that CRYSTAL was offered an opportunity the day before that second hearing as they were awaiting confirmation from a child cardiologist on a suspected murmur with Junior.

Apparently Ron asked her if she wanted to take him to the doctor at 830AM the day of the hearing TO GET THE DIAGNOSIS and then come to the hearing, OR IF CRYSTAL wanted to BRING JUNIOR home the night before and RON WOULD TAKE HIM and this was verified in COURT between the MAGISTRATE, RON AND CRYSTAL. She claimed she would take him, and then did not because she was afraid she would miss the hearing. :no: That was not okay and brought her credibility down even further IMO.

ALL JMO.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 04:48 PM

Wow. Who is 22? Crystal is 24. And what's up with these seizures?

I believe Crystal is 22. Ron is two years old than Crystal so I think he's the one that's 24.

Heck, it seems the rest of us have aged ten years since this case started.

cat3

04-27-2009, 04:50 PM

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 04:52 PM

you are too funny LOL

are you saying your memory has never failed you?

I know Crystals memory sure failed her the night after haleigh went missing she said there was no tension or anything going on in the house then two weeks later she said Ron beat the children till they bleed.

and CS was never ordered until Ron got custody but Crystal did say Ron took care of his children when she had them.

Never mind MeeMaws kitchen....:tonguewag: Memories are always failing around here FA, don't feel bad.

I am of the opinion the decision was based on Crystal not getting the medical care for the children and her admitting that sometimes she just didn't feel like getting out of bed.....:blushing: Now that almost goes hand in hand with whoever said she laid around and watched TV IIRC. They already had Medicaid and Ron would have to wait for some time to be eligible for insurance from what I remember.

But maybe it was all related to her years later seizure, ya just never know how some folks will try to tie personal responsibility and the lack thereof to illness IMOO.

Carry on. jmo

Motomom

04-27-2009, 04:55 PM

Whoa...the board is moving fast today.I'm almost caught up.For the posters saying that Ron never paid child support to Crystal......wouldn't we have heard about it from Picazio if he hadn't paid child support?

Sorry to hear about Crystal (if it was her) and her seizure.I hope she will be okay.

A question....A poster seemed to hint today that Helen and Ron are related.Is that true? I know the AH article says that they know each other,but no mention of them being relatives.IMO

Yeah, KP would have yelled it from the highest mountain if Ron didn't pay CS. I think Ron and Crystal were together for a while, so there was probably never CS ordered. Crystal was ordered to pay and didn't. Ron has had the kids since what, Junior was 6 months. I'm not sure when they broke up, but if they were together, Crystal probably didn't go after CS at that time.. IMO

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 04:56 PM

ummm i think you are wrong. her 23rd birthday they had the "mary jane" party.

I might be.

At that rate, given that Ron is two years older than Crystal that would make him 26 and dating Misty when she was 16, right?

Ten years older.

That's even worse than I first thought.

CANDYKISSES

04-27-2009, 04:57 PM

How do you know she hasnt? Art Harris claims he has seen proof that Ron is listed on the birth certificate. :shrug: What reason do you have to doubt that? Amber & Ron were living together at the time of the baby's birth what is so unbelievable about him willingly putting his name on it?

Is there a statute in Florida stating the biological father must put his name on the birth certificate? I've never seen anything indicating the man has to put his name on the birth certificate, so I would like to see that. Also I can't imagine how Ron could answer "possibly" to that question IF HE ACTUALLY PUT HIS NAME ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. JMO.

Is there any confirmation of Ron and Amber actually sharing a dwelling?

cat3

04-27-2009, 04:58 PM

No, because a father doesnt have to pay for the period of time before it was sought. When it was sought, he had custody so the only order for child support has been for Crystal to pay him.

I see,and thanks for your answer.I have only read the custody documents once or twice and wasn't clear on the dates of who had custody and when.So Crystal never asked for child support from Ron?
I would think she would ask him,or that he would pay some money towards the childrens care without being asked by Crystal or the courts.IMO

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 04:58 PM

cat3

04-27-2009, 05:05 PM

Yeah, KP would have yelled it from the highest mountain if Ron didn't pay CS. I think Ron and Crystal were together for a while, so there was probably never CS ordered. Crystal was ordered to pay and didn't. Ron has had the kids since what, Junior was 6 months. I'm not sure when they broke up, but if they were together, Crystal probably didn't go after CS at that time.. IMO

No doubt we would have heard from KP if Ron owed money to Crystal.
God knows we have heard about all of his other short comings.lol
I really should go look at those court docs again.I seem to recall that Crystal had the kids for two yrs,but maybe she and Ron were still together at the time.IMO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 05:08 PM

all three and Ronald all three as well IMO
exactly dusty..I have said before and gonna say it again..BOTH parents need to put their differences aside and think about the children they have brought into the world. For the life of me I cant see WHY NOT.jmo

cat3

04-27-2009, 05:11 PM

Oh good lord, if they are I don't want to know about it....Ron being related to his ex's boyfriend's ex wife would be more than I could handle.

Yeah I know that would be weird.I went back and read the post again and that seems to be what the poster is saying.
Post #48 by panache. IMO

Texas48

04-27-2009, 05:12 PM

Don't like personal questions. The court didn't say that she had to work just set the child support, she cares for Chad's children maybe he will pay the child support. chad is the ony one employed here. JMOBut that isnt working either cause Crystal is behind in CS so I quess Chads not agreeing to pay it..

Owlface

04-27-2009, 05:19 PM

It is correct medicaid was already in place and is discussed in the transcripts. Another reason Ron was given custody was largely due to the missed doctor appointments while under Crystal's care and the FACT that CRYSTAL was offered an opportunity the day before that second hearing as they were awaiting confirmation from a child cardiologist on a suspected murmur with Junior.

Apparently Ron asked her if she wanted to take him to the doctor at 830AM the day of the hearing TO GET THE DIAGNOSIS and then come to the hearing, OR IF CRYSTAL wanted to BRING JUNIOR home the night before and RON WOULD TAKE HIM and this was verified in COURT between the MAGISTRATE, RON AND CRYSTAL. She claimed she would take him, and then did not because she was afraid she would miss the hearing. :no: That was not okay and brought her credibility down even further IMO.

ALL JMO.

You have never provided proof that Ron and Crystal were not living together when the 12 appointments were missed. Ron had just as much responsibility (perhaps even more since he proports himself to be Superdad) to get them to the doctor as Crystal did. And, even if he was working - which proof has never been provided, he still had a responsibility to take the children to the doctor - tons of parents work and still manage to get their children to the doctor.

HouseOfClark

04-27-2009, 05:21 PM

honestly i'm not sure about the age difference i'll have to go look that up.but i know Ron is only 24.

Ron is two years older than Crystal.

She was 14 and he 16 when they started dating.

She says she was 17 when she got pregnant with Haleigh.

If you know that he is 24, then Crystal, it stands to reason, is 22.

cat3

04-27-2009, 05:21 PM

Does anyone know what VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUCTION means? It was on Crystals rap sheet.

I saw that too.I think it means violation of a protection order.The case may have been dismissed or the person filing it didn't follow up.Not much info either way.IMO

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:22 PM

Do we know what benefits are available to him through his employer? How do we know he had health insurance in the first place?

Sorry.............but do you know he does not have medical insurance?

Also, I think that marriage should come before having a child.

That is me and how I feel. I believe that a family is very important for the happiness and well-being of all concerned. I believe that old song we sang as jumping ropes when kids.............first love/then marriage/then baby carriage.

MOO

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 05:22 PM

Owlface

04-27-2009, 05:22 PM

You see NO reason to doubt Amber? Why won't Amber show Art or TJ the bc? Why won't Amber ask for CS?

I don't know about Art/TJ and the bc but I believe Amber isn't asking for CS partly because she doesn't want to have that tie with Ron. I also think that she doesn't care about CS because her mom/grandmom is the one caring for Jordan.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 05:25 PM

Well Crystal sure hasn't been, but what I said was she was considering/wanting to adding 2 more dependents to Chad's check.

Chad is supporting:
Himself =1
His two own kids =3
Crystal =4
Chloe =5
AND if Crystal is granted custody:
Jr =6
Haleigh =7

Unless your figures differ from mine.. without Crystal working.... and we know she isn't.... that leaves Chad holding the bag.

Your figures are right but then you need to figure this in..Ron will be paying CS for 2...Helen will be paying CS for 2..IF Ron is the father of Ambers baby then Ron will be paying for 3..Chad wont have to pay at all..Crystal wont have to pay..that leaves Ron and Helen to paying..ok..got it straight now...All of this WAS *IF*...

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:27 PM

That's the last thing on someone's mind when a child is created.

It needs to be on someone's mind..................and there is such a thing as birth control.

Someone must pay.........either the parents or the taxpayer.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:32 PM

Plus, she is only 12 months behind, at most, so it isn't like she never paid child support. She was in an accident and she went through a pregnancy. Doesn't make it right but it does help explain it a bit.

Pregnancy is not an illness. I know many people who worked up intil the day their baby was born...........and, yes, a waitress too.....my sister.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 05:34 PM

I have been following this case closely, do you or do you not have a link to back that up? Can someone else vouch for the accuracy of this and provide a link? Or is FallenAngel on her own?No..FA is not on her own..I do recall Crystal making the statement but cant off top of my head remember which interview it was...Maybe Greta's..Will check...

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:34 PM

It's different because that is why Ron was awarded custody and Crystal was not. Ron was employed and able to provide insurance. Now he's not.

I think the fact that Crystal was using drugs at the time and she herself said that she just did not want to get out of bed to take Haleigh to the doctor had a lot to do with Ronald getting his babies.

jmo

calamitygirl

04-27-2009, 05:34 PM

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:35 PM

So far we have no proof of his name on a bc. and Bristol palins not married and she put Levi's last name on the bc without asking Levi,.he just said one day he saw it on there.

Maybe it is the state where the child is born.

I know in my state an unmarried person can not put a father's name on the bc unless he signs saying that the child is his............then, it is.

Texas48

04-27-2009, 05:37 PM

ok maybe i shouldn't have said CS i should said he did help take care of his children. Crystal said he always bought things for them and come to see them and she knew Ron loved them so she let the children go with him and then he never brought them back he went to court.

i'm not trying to lie. if i'm wrong i'm wrong and i will admit it. i've surely had to do it before.
FA..was it the Greta interview? about Ron paying CS..?

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:42 PM

I believe Crystal is 22. Ron is two years old than Crystal so I think he's the one that's 24.

Heck, it seems the rest of us have aged ten years since this case started.

Boy.............I think you are right. Ron is now 25 --I think.

So..........it looks like it might have been Crystal. Hopefully, someone is staying with her and her child.

She needs help until they find out what is wrong with her health.

cat3

04-27-2009, 05:42 PM

There may not have been any CS established, and my guess there wouldn't have been until custody was established. MOO

Thanks,titan.So Ron wouldn't have paid child support until it was determined by the courts who had custody of the children.IMO

titanfan217

04-27-2009, 05:43 PM

Maybe it is the state where the child is born.

I know in my state an unmarried person can not put a father's name on the bc unless he signs saying that the child is his............then, it is.

Maybe Grandma being governor helps too.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:44 PM

OK then, then why not give Crystal the same credit? She wasn't supporting the kids by paying child support like Ron, but she was buying them things, and visiting them and even Ron admits she loved her children.

Crystal was ordered by the court to pay child support.

She should not have had another child unless she was able to support the first two.

And this is an opinion that I hold dear..............why bring into this world children you can not take care of.

Mother owe their children just as do fathers.

And that is moo.

Peaches

04-27-2009, 05:46 PM

Owlface

04-27-2009, 05:48 PM

You might be right..........but if they don't ask for CS and they don't want Ron in the babies life they can't expect for him to just send money...Right?

I don't recall saying he should be sending money. I also know that to just flat out start a CS proceeding takes months. In my state if an unmarried mother filed today for CS it would take more than a year for an order to be put in place. If there's a custody or paternity hearing it would take as long as it does for the custody/paternity to be heard

calamitygirl

04-27-2009, 05:50 PM

That's true enough. The clues that we are hashing and re hashing are about clues and not about personal intentions or preferences etc...
My post is basically letting people know where I stand. It is not pin pointing anything about any specific poster, myself included since I post here too. I live in Cali so nope, no way for me to be directly involved in searching either.
I've seen the boards closed down more than once and with what was being said at Art Harris's website about rumors it prompted me to take all of what has been happening into consideration.
My intention was to let everyone know what is in my own head on everything is all.

I appreciate your posts Pat. And your opinions.