Sat, April 25 & Sun,April 26

[Lovethechild]

New thread for the week-end

[aproudmom]

Thanks fore the weekend thread:smile:

I seen some are talking about the timeline of all this for one if she had this luggage with her the GP would have seen her carry it out it was very large..if it was a lie and she did not take it but it was perhaps already at the church I think someone would have said they saw her carrying the huge luggage full of stuff out to the driveway..IMO she either had premeditation or something happened and the luggage just so happened to be at the church..there is to much we do not know..I mean hey I know their in their 70's but a MHome is not large if they were there they would know how long she left if she left anymore that night..do forget this church was not searched that night..nor any of those buildings..we don't know that she did not go back and dump the body.Maybe even during the first vigil since she was not at that one but made it to the second one doing it in the day time when workers could have spotted her since it is a dead end road and maybe 6 cars travel it I think a purple KIA would sure stand out...IMO

and who had her daughter if it was them then I would think her own child would know at that age if mommy had a big suitcase when she left home..all JMO...no one can tell me no one seen her carrying this luggage out in broad daylight I am not even sure it was ever there I have a feeling it was at the church if not then she knew what she was going to do with it or at least had to cover her A$$ if she never meant to kill this child....but guess I will wait for the trial which may just be at least a year or more..so many questions

Has the grandparents been to see her yet?

[dinojen]

Morning... Latte is ready and some cheese danish too:thumbsup:

The grandfather hasn't been to see her, only the Grandmother Connie Lawless and MH's father have been reported to have visited her at the jail.

No one else has been reported although other family members have been video taped being at the jail.

[KatieLady]

Been reading last nights thread. a big thank you to Meadowlark and all the others that are researching the Tim Lawless angle.

To big of a *coinkydink* for me that a Lawless was arrested 4 days after MH on the same charges. So....for now....I am thinking that it (and them) are related. IMO

[aproudmom]

In response to the last thread. The sex ring in Wenatchee, Washington
turned out to be a witch hunt and not true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_sex_ring

omg I read all about that the other night..had never heard about it..they did find a few kids that had been abused but nothing like they had alleged..that was terrible....what I stated looking into since I keep seeing it is this Tracy 60..sounds as if a lot of child porn is floating around in Tracy...sure hope they continue to watch people..

[dinojen]

Lofthus granted a motion by Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa to seal Sandra's autopsy and toxicology reports from public view. The judge said releasing the information about the "heinous" crime might invade the privacy rights of the girl's family and could lead to a "great danger of public outrage."

The San Joaquin County coroner has conducted an autopsy, but authorities have not discussed the cause of Sandra's death.

Sealing the reports is also necessary "to ensure a fair trial to both sides," especially in light of all the media attention in the case, said the judge, gesturing at the dozens of reporters sitting in an area of the courtroom normally reserved for inmates.

"This is the kind of case we have never experienced in San Joaquin County," Lofthus said. "Most courts never have this kind of case."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/24/BARH178FCT.DTL


Funny how there are so many takes on what the judge stated...:confused:

[KatieLady]

Yeah! Hysteria sometimes takes over these cases and a handful of perps suddenly turns in to dozens of suspects.
As far as the Tracy 60. So sick! Especially in light of what has happened to Sandra, connected or not.
I am afraid to say that I bet most communities have the same number of such child porno fans.
Reminiscent of the McMartin case in So Cal IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Lofthus granted a motion by Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa to seal Sandra's autopsy and toxicology reports from public view. The judge said releasing the information about the "heinous" crime might invade the privacy rights of the girl's family and could lead to a "great danger of public outrage."

The San Joaquin County coroner has conducted an autopsy, but authorities have not discussed the cause of Sandra's death.

Sealing the reports is also necessary "to ensure a fair trial to both sides," especially in light of all the media attention in the case, said the judge, gesturing at the dozens of reporters sitting in an area of the courtroom normally reserved for inmates.

"This is the kind of case we have never experienced in San Joaquin County," Lofthus said. "Most courts never have this kind of case."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/24/BARH178FCT.DTL


Funny how there are so many takes on what the judge stated...:confused:

I think they just added more of what the Judge said.

Still seems to be in line with other media outlets though.

Lofthus granted a motion by Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa to seal Sandra's autopsy and toxicology reports from public view. The judge said releasing the information about the "heinous" crime might invade the privacy rights of the girl's family and could lead to a "great danger of public outrage."




imo

[dinojen]

I think they just added more of what the Judge said.

Still seems to be in line with other media outlets though.

Lofthus granted a motion by Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa to seal Sandra's autopsy and toxicology reports from public view. The judge said releasing the information about the "heinous" crime might invade the privacy rights of the girl's family and could lead to a "great danger of public outrage."




imo


All I know is I don't need all the details, it's bad enough Sandra is dead.. I don't need to read all the details and I'm sure her parents and loved ones don't need to hear it either.. JMHO... It's not going to change anything. I think it was very smart of the Judge Lofthus to keep things sealed.

[aproudmom]

Morning... Latte is ready and some cheese danish too:thumbsup:

The grandfather hasn't been to see her, only the Grandmother Connie Lawless and MH's father have been reported to have visited her at the jail.

No one else has been reported although other family members have been video taped being at the jail.

morning dinothanks for the daily latte
Thanks just wondered had not heard if he was at any of the 2 hearing or been to see her at the jail. I remember several wanted to see her like the day after she was arrested but was unable to thought gramps was there then..sure hope he is praying for her she needs it..CL bother said he has ailing health not sure what is wrong with him and she has heart problems...sure this is not helping their health

[GentleBreeze]

All I know is I don't need all the details, it's bad enough Sandra is dead.. I don't need to read all the details and I'm sure her parents and loved ones don't need to hear it either.. JMHO... It's not going to change anything. I think it was very smart of the Judge Lofthus to keep things sealed.

I agree, Judge Lofthus did the right thing but she always has to state on record the reasons why she is making a certain decision.

imo

[dinojen]

Been playing around this morning and ran his Inmate Information at Sac. County... his next court date is May 14th. Now I just need to see if I can see any relations.. Not sure if this was posted yesterday so my apologies if it was.. Wonder if they are related to the Lawless's in MH's case... Sac says no...:confused: And I don't buy alot that is posted on Blink or whatever it is called and I don't go to Scared Monkey's.

Inmate Name LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN
Aliases LAWLESS, TIM J
GOMES, TIMOTHY JOHN
X-Reference Number X-4417503
Booking/Registry Number 09386766
Date of Birth 12/11/64
Sex Male
Height 6'01"
Weight 250 lbs.
Visits used this week 1 visit used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location 4E229A
Mailing Address LAWLESS, TIMOTHY X-4417503 4E229A
Sacramento County Main Jail
651 "I" Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
Booking Date/Time 04/16/09 at 03:34 AM
Arresting Agency FOLSOM POLICE DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
Charges/Bail
Case# 09F02854(02) - Filed Municipal Court Case
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
PC 288(A) Felony
LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14
Bail: $1,000,000.00
Total Bail $1,000,000.00
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None Custody status change notification (VINELink®)
Next Court Date 05/14/09 at 08:30 AM
Court Location & Dept. Department 63 (Courthouse Information)



I think I counted 11 charges... :w00t:

[dinojen]

morning dinothanks for the daily latte
Thanks just wondered had not heard if he was at any of the 2 hearing or been to see her at the jail. I remember several wanted to see her like the day after she was arrested but was unable to thought gramps was there then..sure hope he is praying for her she needs it..CL bother said he has ailing health not sure what is wrong with him and she has heart problems...sure this is not helping their health


Yeah I have heard several times that he is in failing health.. don't know what his issues are but I know he hasn't been reported at any court hearings nor has he gone to visit her. Her grandmother and father have been at the court hearings and some other family members they didn't say her but I imagine her aunt was there.. she's been at almost everything. I think though the only ones that have been to see her are her Dad and her grandmother. I'm thinking her Mom must be with Madison.:confused:

[aproudmom]

All I know is I don't need all the details, it's bad enough Sandra is dead.. I don't need to read all the details and I'm sure her parents and loved ones don't need to hear it either.. JMHO... It's not going to change anything. I think it was very smart of the Judge Lofthus to keep things sealed.

ITA I think the one word and do not even like to say it..but it really makes me ill to think about..I think it needs to stay sealed for not only the public the jury and the parents of Sandra they may know a lot but I am sure they are trying to protect them from every detail they don't even release that stuff to family in most cases..I think this judge will have control of her courtroom and will not be allowing anything out unless it is leaked..IMO it speaks volumes to me she is not in this for some big high profile case this is very sensitive and she rules that courtroom..I have to put faith in the system I thought the Anthony case was hard but this one all the stuff we have heard I do not think I have ever cried this much...and I live way over here in IN..so can not imagine what it is like in that area...all jmo

[aproudmom]

Yeah I have heard several times that he is in failing health.. don't know what his issues are but I know he hasn't been reported at any court hearings nor has he gone to visit her. Her grandmother and father have been at the court hearings and some other family members they didn't say her but I imagine her aunt was there.. she's been at almost everything. I think though the only ones that have been to see her are her Dad and her grandmother. I'm thinking her Mom must be with Madison.:confused:

OK so her dad was there and CL I am sure her aunt was at the hearings so I have not even read any media links I am sure Sandra's aunt and Uncle were there was any other family members..I do think I heard her mom was not there which I think is best she needs to save her strength for the trial..Sandra's aunt has really been the rock of the family I am really glad they have her..

Also this is to anyone..I know they want out of that park is there any place to donate to them I sent cards to the Tracy PD awhile back but did not want to send money to the reward fund since I was not sure if it would go to them or just donated in her memory..if anyone knows TIA..

[dinojen]

OK so her dad was there and CL I am sure her aunt was at the hearings so I have not even read any media links I am sure Sandra's aunt and Uncle were there was any other family members..I do think I heard her mom was not there which I think is best she needs to save her strength for the trial..Sandra's aunt has really been the rock of the family I am really glad they have her..

Also this is to anyone..I know they want out of that park is there any place to donate to them I sent cards to the Tracy PD awhile back but did not want to send money to the reward fund since I was not sure if it would go to them or just donated in her memory..if anyone knows TIA..

Her Mom and Dad were not there. I know her aunt and uncle were and also Chandra Levy's mother was there with them yesterday. The media did report there was two rows of family members there and some had Sandra tshirts on.

[aproudmom]

Yeah I have heard several times that he is in failing health.. don't know what his issues are but I know he hasn't been reported at any court hearings nor has he gone to visit her. Her grandmother and father have been at the court hearings and some other family members they didn't say her but I imagine her aunt was there.. she's been at almost everything. I think though the only ones that have been to see her are her Dad and her grandmother. I'm thinking her Mom must be with Madison.:confused:

I guess I need to go into google mode..lol..so Madison is more than likely with MH mother..is she in school? she is 5 I know at that age usually they are in kindergarten...I feel so sorry for this child she will need to be away from all this for along time..wonder if her dad is still wanting to get her..have not heard anymore since his day view on GMA

[dinojen]

Search Results for: LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN
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Alias:

Xref Last Name First Name Middle Name
4417503 GOMES TIMOTHY JOHN
4417503 LAWLESS TIM J
4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN

Filing Information:

Case Number Filing Date Xref Last First Middle Status Charge Doc Court ID
09F02854 04/17/2009 4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN Active Complaint 34470



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05/14/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 Sacramento County Main Jail - 651 I Street, Sacramento, CA 95814 SC

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Going to do a search and see if I can relatives.. just out of curiousity:wink:

[dinojen]

I guess I need to go into google mode..lol..so Madison is more than likely with MH mother..is she in school? she is 5 I know at that age usually they are in kindergarten...I feel so sorry for this child she will need to be away from all this for along time..wonder if her dad is still wanting to get her..have not heard anymore since his day view on GMA


I'm wondering of MH's mom took the little girl south to their home in an attempt to get her away from all this. Nothing has been said about MH's mom or Madison. I don't think the bio dad could get her that easily.. nor do I think MH's parents would let her go that easy being she never had contact with her bio dad. I would think it would be a huge adjustment for that little girl. JMOOC

[aproudmom]

Her Mom and Dad were not there. I know her aunt and uncle were and also Chandra Levy's mother was there with them yesterday. The media did report there was two rows of family members there and some had Sandra tshirts on.

Shandra's mother has sure been there for them god bless her..see I ask about the shirt thing early on..We did that here when the drunk killed 2 16yr old girls..we wanted him to have to see their faces...but the jerk would not even look over..but we had the courtroom full of their faces on shirts and pins the whole time..even during the trial..

[dinojen]

Maybe the Tracy Press would know something. Or KRON the TV station that has been following this story so closly.
What a worthy cause!

Sandra's dad has started a foundation

Murdered Girl's Father To Start Foundation

Posted: 4:34 pm PDT April 24, 2009
Sandra Cantu's father issued a statement Friday saying he has formed a foundation to help other families affected by violence. The group will be called "FACT," or Fathers Against Child Tragedies.

Daniel Cantu did not attend Friday's court hearing for Melissa Huckaby,who is accused of Sandra Cantu’s murder. Instead, he had a friend read from a written statement.

“Feeling helpless through this entire process, Daniel now feels compelled to make a difference and make sure his daughter's death is not in vain,” said Gina Schnabel, Mr. Cantu's spokesperson.

Daniel Cantu said his group will take part in the annual victims of violent crimes march at the California state capitol on April 29th.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Danny%20Cantu%20and%20friends%20form%20foundation% 20=&id=2433858-Danny+Cantu+and+friends+form+foundation&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&


http://www.ktvu.com/news/19275986/detail.html

[aproudmom]

Maybe the Tracy Press would know something. Or KRON the TV station that has been following this story so closly.
What a worthy cause!

K thanks I need to read them anyway I have not read anything since yesterday..I did see a sketch of MH on HLN I think this morning..ofgs I just about feel over .it must have been when she gave her PD a little smile she was looking over at him in the sketch and had a little smile on her face..or looked like it anyway

[dinojen]

Thanks for the info! I remember something about the Carole/Sund Foundation collecting money for the family.
Did I get that name right?!

Yes you did... another horrific crime... on both sides in that case too. The mother, daughter and niece murdered by Carey Staynor the brother of Steven Staynor of "My Name is Steven" .. kidnapped and molested all those years.. finally ran away when his creep kidnapped another little boy...

Remember watching that movie and it just gave me the creeps.. maybe because my first son's name is Steven.

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/

[aproudmom]

Sandra's dad has started a foundation

Murdered Girl's Father To Start Foundation

Posted: 4:34 pm PDT April 24, 2009
Sandra Cantu's father issued a statement Friday saying he has formed a foundation to help other families affected by violence. The group will be called "FACT," or Fathers Against Child Tragedies.

Daniel Cantu did not attend Friday's court hearing for Melissa Huckaby,who is accused of Sandra Cantu’s murder. Instead, he had a friend read from a written statement.

“Feeling helpless through this entire process, Daniel now feels compelled to make a difference and make sure his daughter's death is not in vain,” said Gina Schnabel, Mr. Cantu's spokesperson.

Daniel Cantu said his group will take part in the annual victims of violent crimes march at the California state capitol on April 29th.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Danny%20Cantu%20and%20friends%20form%20foundation% 20=&id=2433858-Danny+Cantu+and+friends+form+foundation&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&


http://www.ktvu.com/news/19275986/detail.html

OK heard he had something..but I really want to help her mother..I may just email the carol sund carrington foundation or see if it is on their site I just remember hearing 2 times now from people that they can not bare to be in that Park with her home 5 houses down and sure every time they pull out they see that church..nothing against the dad kudos to him for doing something I am sure he may have some guilt he had not seen her in some time from what was reported so this may be the way for him to handle this and fight for other kids..that is great to hear..

[aproudmom]

Yes you did... another horrific crime... on both sides in that case too. The mother, daughter and niece murdered by Carey Staynor the brother of Steven Staynor of "My Name is Steven" .. kidnapped and molested all those years.. finally ran away when his creep kidnapped another little boy...

Remember watching that movie and it just gave me the creeps.. maybe because my first son's name is Steven.

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/

thanks I will contact them..I have only donated to Tim Miller TES so have not even looked to much into their foundation but do know it is a wonderful organization heck I can never spell it though...lol

I have noticed the family is not out selling stuff to make a buck off her death as some other family has..they could if they wanted to..one station will pay 250 grand just for a licencing fee for pics and videos..I don't think they will ever take blood money..JMO

[aproudmom]

I am just going to email them this is all they have on Sandra but glad I did go there I have been searching trying to remember a case from a year or so ago Susan ann Ray..I could not think of her name for anything..but heard they arrested her ex husband not to long ago..IIRC

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/sections/homicide?person=606

[dinojen]

I agree! Pointed out the psychological effect on the siblings of missing people. Not that they all become killers but that the effect on the is devestating in what ever way it comes out.
I keep catching myself thinking that all is well once a missing person is found but, in many cases, that really is when the hard times start.
Back to the topic though. I so feel for Sandra's siblings. I wonder if they are back to school or any part of their norm. Have we seen anything about that? In all ways, it really isn't any of our business but my heart goes out to them and their friends who, probably have no clue what to say.


Just what I read this morning.. a spokesperson for the family said they have good days and bad days but more bad than good. Not sure where I read it this morning. Any death takes time to get over and even more so when it's a young child and taken from you the way Sandra was.

From my own experience and it's nothing compared to this.. my family went through a malpractice trial for my father's death.. it took two years.. to go to jury trial and in those two years countless meetings I went to with my mother reliving what happened... you can not begin to totally grieve when you are reliving it answering questions by attorney's. So in a very very small way I can understand what they are going through.. and our's wasn't played out in the media.. it's has to be horrible for them.:sad:

[dinojen]

I agree! Pointed out the psychological effect on the siblings of missing people. Not that they all become killers but that the effect on the is devestating in what ever way it comes out.
I keep catching myself thinking that all is well once a missing person is found but, in many cases, that really is when the hard times start.
Back to the topic though. I so feel for Sandra's siblings. I wonder if they are back to school or any part of their norm. Have we seen anything about that? In all ways, it really isn't any of our business but my heart goes out to them and their friends who, probably have no clue what to say.


Not saying if the other siblings are back in school but I found the article I read this morning.. it's her aunt making the comments.

Hours before the hearing, Cantu’s family had braced for an emotional day in a Stockton courtroom.

Augie Chavez, Cantu’s aunt, was among the family members attending the hearing.

“I think it’s important to represent Sandra and show we do care about what happened,” she told KTVU hours before the hearing. Chavez said the family has had a difficult time dealing with the murder.

“(We’re ) holding up the best we can,” she said. “We have our good days and bad days-- more bad days than good days, unfortunately.”

“It’s everything all wrapped together,” she continued. “You have sadness. You have anger. You have moments of happiness remembering Sandra and the funny things she used to do. It’s just difficult.”

When asked what she would say to Huckaby, Chavez said: “I would just want to ask why. I don’t think I’ll ever understand why. It is just why. That is what I would say to her.”

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19270435/detail.html

[dinojen]

Thanks for sharing your experience. So hard for me to imagine the hurt since I have never gone through anything like that. WSo sorry for your hurt (and your mom's)

(Tried to find the rose thing to add here but couldn't find it. Consider yourself "rosed")

Thanks.. and no rose necessary.. he was a very young 47 and it was many years ago.. but I still think about him every single day and am so proud of my mother for how she handled it all. She's amazing..

Hopefully it won't be drawn out for the Cantu's and they can begin to grieve and remember all the good things about their angel. It's not going to be easy for them at all... especially with the media in their face at every turn.:sad:

[aproudmom]

OK she was smiling and joking with her PD also why was there 3 men at the table with her..who is all her PD..dino is this the slow twitter guy from yesterday..lol..guess no tears this time..


KRON 4's Dan Kerman's Observations from Inside Courtroom Friday
Dan Kerman says the former Sunday School teacher wore a red jumpsuit and smiled at her attorney during Friday's short proceedings Dan says Huckaby showed no emotion during the proceedings. There was also no visible or audible reaction from any of the family members of the victim or defendant in the courtroom.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1187/reftab/36/t/Melissa-Huckaby-s-Arraignment-Delayed-Again-in-Sandra-Cantu-Case/Default.aspx

[dinojen]

OK she was smiling and joking with her PD also why was there 3 men at the table with her..who is all her PD..dino is this the slow twitter guy from yesterday..lol..guess no tears this time..


KRON 4's Dan Kerman's Observations from Inside Courtroom Friday
Dan Kerman says the former Sunday School teacher wore a red jumpsuit and smiled at her attorney during Friday's short proceedings Dan says Huckaby showed no emotion during the proceedings. There was also no visible or audible reaction from any of the family members of the victim or defendant in the courtroom.

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1187/reftab/36/t/Melissa-Huckaby-s-Arraignment-Delayed-Again-in-Sandra-Cantu-Case/Default.aspx

Yep that's the twitter twit...lol.. couldn't resist that one.:tonguewag:

Hmmm I know she has Behar and the other guy that is on her case is Peter Fox he is also a PD and he is the one that was questioning the ME's autopsy. Don't know who the third guy was.

I'm thinking they have her on some lovely little warm and fuzzy pills to keep her emotions in check.. JMO. I wouldn't say she looked like she was having a great time.. think maybe she just feels comfortable with her PD.. who knows... But I think they have her on some meds.. JMO

[dinojen]

Fox said he had always wanted to be a defense attorney rather than a prosecutor for several reasons. For one, public defenders have clients and prosecutors don't.

"It's a calling, if you will," Fox said of being either a prosecutor or defender. "It's almost a personality trait. A lot of (defendants) are very much in need of assistance. You can be this person's only friend in the world at times."

Peter Fox at a glance
Age: Describes himself as being in his 50s.
Home: Stockton.
Career in San Joaquin County: Began as defense attorney in 1980; became deputy public defender in 2005 and interim public defender in February.
Wife: Elinor, who teaches composition at San Joaquin Delta College.
Children: Sam and Edith, both Tokay High School graduates.


http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2008/08/20/news/10_fox_080820.txt

[aproudmom]

Not saying if the other siblings are back in school but I found the article I read this morning.. it's her aunt making the comments.

Hours before the hearing, Cantu’s family had braced for an emotional day in a Stockton courtroom.

Augie Chavez, Cantu’s aunt, was among the family members attending the hearing.

“I think it’s important to represent Sandra and show we do care about what happened,” she told KTVU hours before the hearing. Chavez said the family has had a difficult time dealing with the murder.

“(We’re ) holding up the best we can,” she said. “We have our good days and bad days-- more bad days than good days, unfortunately.”

“It’s everything all wrapped together,” she continued. “You have sadness. You have anger. You have moments of happiness remembering Sandra and the funny things she used to do. It’s just difficult.”

When asked what she would say to Huckaby, Chavez said: “I would just want to ask why. I don’t think I’ll ever understand why. It is just why. That is what I would say to her.”

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19270435/detail.html

I think that is what a lot of these families want to know.WHY? and so many never get that answer..I really hate to hear does this give someone closure I don't think any case like this or others you have closure..losing a loved one is hard enough but to have it aired on TV the details have got to be horrific IIRC they do not even watch TV anymore they don't want to see it...also dino sorry to hear about what you went through..it is never easy to lose a loved one..I still grieve for my uncle who past of cancer at 40 they told us it was his gallbladder 3 weeks later he was gone from cancer and One of my other uncles lost his wife my aunt she thought she had a cold and my uncle found her dead with the phone in her hand calling her daughter he had ran to get cold medicine for her ended up being a undiagnosed heart problem at 30something..I look at my mother who lost a brother and a SIL and her father so close in time and the pain she has..so I could never imagine having to go through court hearings and all that I barley made it past their deaths which were so close and we were not prepared to lose them so fast..there is never closure IMO you have to go on but you never forget it.:crying:

[dinojen]

Don't think he's related to MH.. just another Lawless.

Did a people search and got this.

GOMES, TIMOTHY  J
Age: 44

Associated names:
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY

RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
SACRAMENTO, CA
CORNING, CA
ANTELOPE, CA
SAINT ANN, MO
NOVATO, CA
MANTON, CA
CHICO, CA
SAINT LOUIS, MO
SAN FRANCISCO FPO, CA
BRIDGETON, MO

Relatives are:

* LAWLESS, GARY  DUANE (Age 43)
* SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA  MARIE (Age 39)
* GOMES, BURNHAM
* GOMES, MARYLIN  E (Age 71)
* GOMES, GARY  D
* NEASBITT, CHONA  JEAN (Age 35)
* GOMES, JEFFERY  C (Age 41)
* LAWLESS, CHONA  J (Age 35)
* LAWLESS, GARYE



Then I was googling on the Folsom newspaper and found what they printed on his arrest.. same one same age...

http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom


Don't think they are related...:confused: or at least none of the names are ones we are familiar with to the Lawless family.

Man am I glad my last name isn't Lawless or Huckaby...:scared:

[aproudmom]

Fox said he had always wanted to be a defense attorney rather than a prosecutor for several reasons. For one, public defenders have clients and prosecutors don't.

"It's a calling, if you will," Fox said of being either a prosecutor or defender. "It's almost a personality trait. A lot of (defendants) are very much in need of assistance. You can be this person's only friend in the world at times."

Peter Fox at a glance
Age: Describes himself as being in his 50s.
Home: Stockton.
Career in San Joaquin County: Began as defense attorney in 1980; became deputy public defender in 2005 and interim public defender in February.
Wife: Elinor, who teaches composition at San Joaquin Delta College.
Children: Sam and Edith, both Tokay High School graduates.


http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2008/08/20/news/10_fox_080820.txt

Well good for him glad he found his calling..IMO I do not see how they do it with clients that most know is guilty of a horrible crime..my BIL hated having his own practice so he was the asst pros. and now a Judge..he was never a PD unless it was way back but he is much happier right were he is now..he does hate divorces he said those are the scary ones..lol..

[GentleBreeze]

Don't think he's related to MH.. just another Lawless.

Did a people search and got this.

GOMES, TIMOTHY  J
Age: 44

Associated names:
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY

RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
SACRAMENTO, CA
CORNING, CA
ANTELOPE, CA
SAINT ANN, MO
NOVATO, CA
MANTON, CA
CHICO, CA
SAINT LOUIS, MO
SAN FRANCISCO FPO, CA
BRIDGETON, MO

Relatives are:

* LAWLESS, GARY  DUANE (Age 43)
* SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA  MARIE (Age 39)
* GOMES, BURNHAM
* GOMES, MARYLIN  E (Age 71)
* GOMES, GARY  D
* NEASBITT, CHONA  JEAN (Age 35)
* GOMES, JEFFERY  C (Age 41)
* LAWLESS, CHONA  J (Age 35)
* LAWLESS, GARYE



Then I was googling on the Folsom newspaper and found what they printed on his arrest.. same one same age...

http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom


Don't think they are related...:confused: or at least none of the names are ones we are familiar with to the Lawless family.

Man am I glad my last name isn't Lawless or Huckaby...:scared:


Remember the guy from California that came out and said he name was Scott Peterson? That poor man had received death threats. How can people be so foolish?

Lawless or Huckaby isn't that rare of a last name I wouldn't think.

imo

[aproudmom]

Don't think he's related to MH.. just another Lawless.

Did a people search and got this.

GOMES, TIMOTHY  J
Age: 44

Associated names:
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY

RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
SACRAMENTO, CA
CORNING, CA
ANTELOPE, CA
SAINT ANN, MO
NOVATO, CA
MANTON, CA
CHICO, CA
SAINT LOUIS, MO
SAN FRANCISCO FPO, CA
BRIDGETON, MO

Relatives are:

* LAWLESS, GARY  DUANE (Age 43)
* SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA  MARIE (Age 39)
* GOMES, BURNHAM
* GOMES, MARYLIN  E (Age 71)
* GOMES, GARY  D
* NEASBITT, CHONA  JEAN (Age 35)
* GOMES, JEFFERY  C (Age 41)
* LAWLESS, CHONA  J (Age 35)
* LAWLESS, GARYE



Then I was googling on the Folsom newspaper and found what they printed on his arrest.. same one same age...

http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom


Don't think they are related...:confused: or at least none of the names are ones we are familiar with to the Lawless family.

Man am I glad my last name isn't Lawless or Huckaby...:scared:

:laugh: me to

[aproudmom]

OMG I just saw the pic of the ME I thought it was the guy off different strokes can not even think of his name..omg talk about feeling stupid:biggrin:

[dinojen]

Remember the guy from California that came out and said he name was Scott Peterson? That poor man had received death threats. How can people be so foolish?

Lawless or Huckaby isn't that rare of a last name I wouldn't think.

imo


No way... when I was doing people search OMG... it kept going and going and going.. I finally shut it off.. there are tons of Lawless:tongueside:

[dinojen]

OMG I just saw the pic of the ME I thought it was the guy off different strokes can not even think of his name..omg talk about feeling stupid:biggrin:

OMG I'm sitting here laughing to myself... your cracking me up... Didn't you read where he got his degree from the Unv. of Nigeria.. but I just looked at the picture of him at Tracy Press and the first thing I thought of is..

"What you talkin 'bout Willis"


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

[aproudmom]

Yep that's the twitter twit...lol.. couldn't resist that one.:tonguewag:

Hmmm I know she has Behar and the other guy that is on her case is Peter Fox he is also a PD and he is the one that was questioning the ME's autopsy. Don't know who the third guy was.

I'm thinking they have her on some lovely little warm and fuzzy pills to keep her emotions in check.. JMO. I wouldn't say she looked like she was having a great time.. think maybe she just feels comfortable with her PD.. who knows... But I think they have her on some meds.. JMO

lol K thank love the twitter twit:thumbsup:
I agree sure she is on something hope she was when this happened since she seemed to have problems before this..and maybe comfortable with where she is now..I think she thought she had them fooled and they were looking only at her GP the church I am sure they would have found out at some point maybe just not that soon she was laughing and texting away to the media on her way to the PD she had no idea what was about to happen...JMO..

[aproudmom]

OMG I'm sitting here laughing to myself... your cracking me up... Didn't you read where he got his degree from the Unv. of Nigeria.. but I just looked at the picture of him at Tracy Press and the first thing I thought of is..

"What you talkin 'bout Willis"


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

omg I could not think of what he always said knew it was What you talkin bout..but could not remember the Willis..and no I did not read it first I saw the pic and thought why is he on there..Arnold was his stage name wasnt it..:laugh: I loved that show when I was younger..I did just see he is from Lodi are all these places close cause when I had to send my son a cell phone that was the name of the town and he worked in Oakdale, Tracy and a few other places..so are they all close

[dinojen]

omg I could not think of what he always said knew it was What you talkin bout..but could not remember the Willis..and no I did not read it first I saw the pic and thought why is he on there..Arnold was his stage name wasnt it..:laugh: I loved that show when I was younger..I did just see he is from Lodi are all these places close cause when I had to send my son a cell phone that was the name of the town and he worked in Oakdale, Tracy and a few other places..so are they all close

Yep you head out that way you hit Tracy, Modesto, Oakdale, Manteca (has a great waterslide camping place) Ripon..there are tons of little places..

And yes he was Arnold...:wink:

[aproudmom]

same women that made shirts for the 4 officers from Oakland PD who were killed in the line of duty she is also making all the shirts for Sandras father how sweet one was from Tracy he was laid to rest the same day Sandra went missing..IIRC cause I watched the memorial on here live stream

So are the other children his also anyone know? if so I pray he stays in that 11yr olds life she will need him and the other 2..

Sherri-lyn Miller, who runs the San Leandro store, All in One Stop, has made and donated the shirts. Miller also designed shirts in memory of the Oakland police officers killed in the line of duty last month.
http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&article-Danny%20Cantu%20and%20friends%20form%20foundation% 20=&id=2433858-Danny+Cantu+and+friends+form+foundation&widget=push&instance=secondary_stories_left_column&open=&

[aproudmom]

Yep you head out that way you hit Tracy, Modesto, Oakdale, Manteca (has a great waterslide camping place) Ripon..there are tons of little places..

And yes he was Arnold...:wink:

Thanks was going to wake him and ask him but he works 3rd shift and would bite my head off..lol..him and my sister are suppose to be going back to CA they loved it there just did not like the selling door to door for Mag team extreme..but they got to travel some but do plan to go back to visit friends they met..he was in the HM park there in Tracy..kinda freaked me out and he is 19..but he remembered it very well cause he even stopped and got a hair cut in Tracy...glad he is back home..I don't care if he is 19 I worried about the going to strangers doors..

[aproudmom]

I know several people here with the Sirname of Lawless. They are real glad they are on the other side of the country

yeah at this time I would not want to be a Lawless, Huckaby, or Anthony...I saw one site watches one of MH cousins myspace and sees what her mood is for the day..lol.she is like 16 I think..

[dinojen]

same women that made shirts for the 4 officers from Oakland PD who were killed in the line of duty she is also making all the shirts for Sandras father how sweet one was from Tracy he was laid to rest the same day Sandra went missing..IIRC cause I watched the memorial on here live stream

So are the other children his also anyone know? if so I pray he stays in that 11yr olds life she will need him and the other 2..

Sherri-lyn Miller, who runs the San Leandro store, All in One Stop, has made and donated the shirts. Miller also designed shirts in memory of the Oakland police officers killed in the line of duty last month.
http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=news&article-Danny%20Cantu%20and%20friends%20form%20foundation% 20=&id=2433858-Danny+Cantu+and+friends+form+foundation&widget=push&instance=secondary_stories_left_column&open=&

I don't think the other children are Cantu's as they go by the last name Chavez. At least Miranda and Simone do, not sure about the son.

Ooops edited to correct myself.. according to some photos.. it's Tommy Fortin and Simone Mokol and then Sandra Cantu. Miranda goes by Chavez.

At least according to these photos of the memorial

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7054,00.html#8_0


Oh and thanks for the info about the shirts... the ones she did for the Oakland PD were awesome and what she is doing for Sandra's father I think is great.. need more people like her.

[dinojen]

This link has a photo of Huckaby's relatives arriving at court yesterday, it seems to report them to be Aunt Denise Harris, Uncle Art Harris, Connie Lawless her grandmother and another aunt Diana Harris.

Her father Brian Lawless and Aunt Joni Hughes were there also..

Guess we won't be hearing much else till next month...

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2443601-Cantu+autopsy+to+remain+sealed+to+avoid+-outrage-&article-Cantu%20autopsy%20to%20remain%20sealed%20to%20avoi d%20-outrage-%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

[meadowlark]

Search Results for: LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN
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Alias:

Xref Last Name First Name Middle Name
4417503 GOMES TIMOTHY JOHN
4417503 LAWLESS TIM J
4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN

Filing Information:

Case Number Filing Date Xref Last First Middle Status Charge Doc Court ID
09F02854 04/17/2009 4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN Active Complaint 34470



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C006 PC 288(A) FEL
C007 PC 288(A) FEL
C008 PC 288(A) FEL
C009 PC 288(A) FEL
C010 PC 288(A) FEL

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Date Time Department Location Reason
05/14/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 Sacramento County Main Jail - 651 I Street, Sacramento, CA 95814 SC

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Reason SC SETTLEMENT CONFERENCE
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Going to do a search and see if I can relatives.. just out of curiousity:wink:


just so you don't do a lot of extra work, I looked up a lot of stuff last night on the family of Timothy John Lawless. I still am trying to find more on his father Gary D Lawless born about 1933... there is a brother of Timothy Gary D (Duane) Lawless also, so you have to watch the dates.

I fell asleep last night before I could finish up on Gary D Lawless, the father, last night, but will try to work on it today..

but if you take what I already have found last night, you can jump-start whatever you are doing, and won't have to go through all the part I already did.

__________________

here is my post from last night from the other thread,

I have more info, addresses etc, if you need them.

______________

what I have here.

mother of timothy john lawless maiden name is Tieken. Her mothers maiden name is forman(timothy's grandmother)

his mother had the 3 brothers, timothy, Gary and Jeffrey/jeffery
then she married Gary D lawless after they were all born. she married gary D lawless using the name Marylin e tieken and also married him using the name marylin e short, on the same day. she divorced him a month later. 5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes.

these boys are using the name of lawless and gomes. being she married both men after they were born, I am not sure if gary d lawless is their father, and they were married ONLY one month. they could have lived together all those years before being married though. so it is hard to say if gary d lawless is even their father. And then they start using the name of Gomes after that.

If timothy is connected to melissa huckaby lawless family, then it seems it would be through gary d lawless who his mother married for a month after he and his brothers were born. why do they then take on the gomes name of the next husband of their mother?

so at this point I have to figure out who gary d lawless the husband is. if he is connected to melissa's family. and even if he is, how long was he really with their mother and is he even their father. if he is their father and lived with the mother all those years before they got married, why would they get a divorce a month later?

kind of a strange situation.

will still try to look for the family of this gary lawless married to timothy's mother.



Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married him
caifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken
I can't find a divorce with her under the name of short

Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for mother and manuel gomes
yet.

_______________________

timothy's brother Gary Duane Lawless (above)
LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43)

Associated names:

GOMES, GARY
MANTON, CA
CORNING, CA
REDDING, CA
BORDEN, IN

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
LAWLESS DOLAN, VICTORIA R (Age 39)
GOMES, BURNHAM
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
LAWLESS, SAMANTHA TO (Age 48)
LAWLESS, LOWELL
LAWLESS, LAWLESS G
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41) other brother


LAWLESS, GARY
MANTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)


brother jeffrey is under Gomes
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41)
CORNING, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43) brother
GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44) this is timothy john lawless
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
GOMES, BURNHAM

[oodi]

"#348 04-24-2009, 11:11 PM
doctor_J
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 364

JMO, but I am dismayed to see so many references and links to Blink. Totally unreliable. Anyone with a decent computer can google but when someone maintains a crime blog and spouts incredible and inaccurate medical and pathological info I know to beware the other info. When I first started on MB/s (about 6 months ago) I visited and quickly learned that it was a little truth and a lot of misinformed rumor reinforced by a blogger who puts forth as an expert on all things crime. Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally. Nevermind that the site frequently carries "bugs".

I like to think this is the best message board on crime available on the web. Wouldn't like to see it degenerate into another BlinkOnCrime. I will just trust you guys to document anything you post from that site with back-up research, as lark and River have done, as have others. "

I'm carrying this over from the previous thread.

I believe doctor_J is correct about the "bugs"... my web security programs were working overtime after visiting that site last night. So if you are going to visit that site, I suggest you make sure that all your anti-spyware and/or anti-virus programs are up to date. JMO

[Firefly]

The Judge's decision to seal the records would relate more to the condition of the body after having been stuffed into a suitcase, left in dirty ditch water for 10 days to decompose, and then subjected to an intensive autopsy I would guess. I don't think the Judge is commenting on anything that might have been done to the body BEFORE being found, but merely commenting on the fact the the public would be very jarred from looking at photos of a very pretty child on that internet who now no doubt looks far far different. Drawing conclusions that this somehow relates to the evidence would be premature IMO...without further comment from the judge.

[dinojen]

"#348 04-24-2009, 11:11 PM
doctor_J
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 364

JMO, but I am dismayed to see so many references and links to Blink. Totally unreliable. Anyone with a decent computer can google but when someone maintains a crime blog and spouts incredible and inaccurate medical and pathological info I know to beware the other info. When I first started on MB/s (about 6 months ago) I visited and quickly learned that it was a little truth and a lot of misinformed rumor reinforced by a blogger who puts forth as an expert on all things crime. Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally. Nevermind that the site frequently carries "bugs".

I like to think this is the best message board on crime available on the web. Wouldn't like to see it degenerate into another BlinkOnCrime. I will just trust you guys to document anything you post from that site with back-up research, as lark and River have done, as have others. "

I'm carrying this over from the previous thread.

I believe doctor_J is correct about the "bugs"... my web security programs were working overtime after visiting that site last night. So if you are going to visit that site, I suggest you make sure that all your anti-spyware and/or anti-virus programs are up to date. JMO

Went there once and not again... I had my bug eater pop up on me and it was cleaning away... (not really bug cleaner.. it's some program hubby put on my laptop.. think AVG or something.. it catches everything, but that puppy was going to town this morning)

[aproudmom]

I don't think the other children are Cantu's as they go by the last name Chavez. At least Miranda and Simone do, not sure about the son.

Ooops edited to correct myself.. according to some photos.. it's Tommy Fortin and Simone Mokol and then Sandra Cantu. Miranda goes by Chavez.

At least according to these photos of the memorial

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7054,00.html#8_0


Oh and thanks for the info about the shirts... the ones she did for the Oakland PD were awesome and what she is doing for Sandra's father I think is great.. need more people like her.

thanks dino wondered about the other kids..I always wondered cause I never seen them around him..Miranda and Sandra looked so much alike..I thought they were both his...and I saw the ones the women did for the cops and was going to donate and get one mainly cause I am just from a Family of LE and like to support the families not just here in Indiana..someone on the thread gave me the addy to get one just have not got around to doing it..seemed like I was watching their memorial and boom this little 8yr old was missing all in the same day..ITA we need a lot more people like the women who are donating them..

[aproudmom]

Went there once and not again... I had my bug eater pop up on me and it was cleaning away... (not really bug cleaner.. it's some program hubby put on my laptop.. think AVG or something.. it catches everything, but that puppy was going to town this morning)

:scared:me don't like no bugs..so I just stay away from there

[aproudmom]

The Judge's decision to seal the records would relate more to the condition of the body after having been stuffed into a suitcase, left in dirty ditch water for 10 days to decompose, and then subjected to an intensive autopsy I would guess. I don't think the Judge is commenting on anything that might have been done to the body BEFORE being found, but merely commenting on the fact the the public would be very jarred from looking at photos of a very pretty child on that internet who now no doubt looks far far different. Drawing conclusions that this somehow relates to the evidence would be premature IMO...without further comment from the judge.

I am not so sure they could get any photos..only the report or perhaps it is not that way in CA I know FL had to change its laws after Dale Earnhardt died all the media wanted his autopsy photos his family req all fans to do a mass email asking them to change the law. so they changed it in FL only family LE can have the photos otherwise they are sealed..they can get the report just not pics...which in a case like this just reading the report would be horrific with out photos...I would hate to be on that jury and have to view those..:crying:

[aproudmom]

This link has a photo of Huckaby's relatives arriving at court yesterday, it seems to report them to be Aunt Denise Harris, Uncle Art Harris, Connie Lawless her grandmother and another aunt Diana Harris.

Her father Brian Lawless and Aunt Joni Hughes were there also..

Guess we won't be hearing much else till next month...

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2443601-Cantu+autopsy+to+remain+sealed+to+avoid+-outrage-&article-Cantu%20autopsy%20to%20remain%20sealed%20to%20avoi d%20-outrage-%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

I figured Joni would be there so sounds like she had a few family members there..I replied to one of your post I meant the youngest girl Simone Chavez looks so much like Sandra if she is the 11yr old. for some reason I had her and Miranda mixed up..so which one babysat for MH at times? if it is true

[MOM0F4]

What is know about Timothy Lawless arrest? Are they linking it with MH?

[Ialwayswonda]

Not to be graphic, but I have a little insight into the processes that occur after death in humans.
If reports are correct and the pond she was found in was actually a catch reservoir for the runoff from a dairy farm, then it would be allowed to sit with chemicals in it for a while so that the matter in it would break down to an acceptable point. And then it would be drained and used as very good fertilizer.
Anyone who has a compost pile from gardening knows that the process generates a lot of heat, which is what does most of the composting.
Poor little Sandra would have been in a relatively bad condition because of the excess heat in the drainoff pond.
I don't think anyone in the general public wants to hear this right now. And also, it would add to the accurate determination of a time of death, because the markers would be off because of accelerated decomposition. However, the prosecution experts will figure this out.
I personally know someone whose small child was murdered brutally by strangers. Until the trial, they were not told nor were they aware of the horrible injuries inflicted upon that child.
I think it is for the best to seal these findings for now. However, having the ME say he preserved the "relevant tissue samples" to prove his claims of rape is sickening. Necessary, but sickening to think of.
May Sandra's family find justice and peace. Hatred in the longterm will only lead to becoming ill and morbidly bereaved.
I pray they have a huge support system and avail themselves to all positive counseling available.
:crying:

[dinojen]

What is know about Timothy Lawless arrest? Are they linking it with MH?

Sac. County says Folsom misspoke... don't have a link.. it was just a statement that it was incorrect. I played around with his name and background last night like Lark has, she's done alot of background stuff.. but personally I don't think they are connected and if they are it's got to be pretty distant.

Can't believe how many Lawless's there are...:ohmy:

[aproudmom]

All I have to say is how more outraged could anyone be? who would be in danger? and I am being serious are they talking about MH family or her...I don't really understand the wording..I am so glad she did seal them just wonder who would be in danger since MH is in jail..I hope I ask that in the right way..lol..if not sorry so the tox is back that was the one thing I wanted to know is if she had anything in her system..I guess I would rather think she was sleeping and did not know anything..:crying:

Also I do want to say I have never seen such a high profile case were the media did try to give the family their time and not chase them down every time they walk out the door..I have noticed that..I think they may mis report things but they have listened to the family when they ask them for their time to grieve and have some privacy..jmo

To release the reports would risk “a danger of public outrage” and threaten the Cantu family’s privacy, said San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus at an arraignment today for suspected murder-rapist 28-year-old Melissa Chantel Huckaby.

[Ialwayswonda]

Just to add:
What I mean is that the advanced state caused by the chemicals and heat generated will make it harder to determine the accurate time of death. Thank god for the body farm in Tennessee. They have this type of information available to help.
However, we can only hope that MH did confess and tell the exact method and time of this baby's death.
Either way, without a plea deal and with this ever going to trial (I don't think it will), the defense would definitely call experts to refute the time of death. It's always a front that they use in these cases.

[oodi]

All I have to say is how more outraged could anyone be? who would be in danger? and I am being serious are they talking about MH family or her...I don't really understand the wording..I am so glad she did seal them just wonder who would be in danger since MH is in jail..I hope I ask that in the right way..lol..if not sorry so the tox is back that was the one thing I wanted to know is if she had anything in her system..I guess I would rather think she was sleeping and did not know anything..:crying:

Also I do want to say I have never seen such a high profile case were the media did try to give the family their time and not chase them down every time they walk out the door..I have noticed that..I think they may mis report things but they have listened to the family when they ask them for their time to grieve and have some privacy..jmo

To release the reports would risk “a danger of public outrage” and threaten the Cantu family’s privacy, said San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus at an arraignment today for suspected murder-rapist 28-year-old Melissa Chantel Huckaby.

I'm not so sure that the media was just being "nice" by giving this family time. Every presser, news report, etc., that I saw done just outside the entrance to the mobilehome park showed a marked police unit at the entrance checking all those who were coming in. I also think that because the entire mobilehome park is basically private property, media was told that they did not have permission to enter... it would interfere with the peace and quiet of the other tenants of mobilehome park.

[dinojen]

The Folsom Police Department tells me this was a rumor that started in a local folsom newspaper. It has absolutely no merit whatsoever.


Wherever it was .. can't find the dang link.. all mention of his being related is POOFED

[dinojen]

I'm not so sure that the media was just being "nice" by giving this family time. Every presser, news report, etc., that I saw done just outside the entrance to the mobilehome park showed a marked police unit at the entrance checking all those who were coming in. I also think that because the entire mobilehome park is basically private property, media was told that they did not have permission to enter... it would interfere with the peace and quiet of the other tenants of mobilehome park.


Think your right.. the others that live in that park deserve their privacy.. can you imagine the news crew vans that would be lining the streets if they had allowed them inside the mobile home park:w00t:

[oodi]

Think your right.. the others that live in that park deserve their privacy.. can you imagine the news crew vans that would be lining the streets if they had allowed them inside the mobile home park:w00t:

Which would create a hazard.... if there was a fire or medical emergency at any of the mobilehomes, no engine or ambulance would be able to get through the streets to get to it.

[meadowlark]

Sac. County says Folsom misspoke... don't have a link.. it was just a statement that it was incorrect. I played around with his name and background last night like Lark has, she's done alot of background stuff.. but personally I don't think they are connected and if they are it's got to be pretty distant.

Can't believe how many Lawless's there are...:ohmy:
I am working backwards on the clifford lane lawless line right now. I will post it all when I get it done. right now I am trying to figure out who the kids of clifford lanes brother Paul George Lawless are. it shouldn't be much longer and I will have the nephews of CLL.. then we can see if they are tied to Gary D Lawless, who was married to the mother of Timothy John Lawless/Gomes.
Father of Clifford Lane Lawless and Paul George Lawless(aka George Paul Lawless, born jan 1927 washington, died 1997 maryland)is George W. Lawless. Their mother is Jesse G Dicus, and step-mother is Esther, so I am getting back there.

If Timothy John Lawless does not tie to Paul George Lawless, Clifford Lane Lawless brother, then I will go back to their father's brothers and see if he comes down through one of their cousins. If not, then I can't see how they are connected through the Lawless name.

I will get this in more of a "report" fashion so it is easy to understand.
give me a bit


I've almost got this together will post in just a bit.

[aproudmom]

LOL I even had to laugh at this comment..I guess it does happen but not so sure MH daughter is not hers..this is the stuff everyone will be coming up with since the gag order no news so have to try to make up some:thumbdown:the drug part I agree with but not so much that she could have kidnapped her 5 years ago..also has anyone heard she was ever taken away by CPS? I havent..

the girl should be tested for drugs, tested to see why so skinny, and also DNA tests to see if she is a kidnapped child or actually the child of MH

[dinojen]

LOL I even had to laugh at this comment..I guess it does happen but not so sure MH daughter is not hers..this is the stuff everyone will be coming up with since the gag order no news so have to try to make up some:thumbdown:the drug part I agree with but not so much that she could have kidnapped her 5 years ago..also has anyone heard she was ever taken away by CPS? I havent..

the girl should be tested for drugs, tested to see why so skinny, and also DNA tests to see if she is a kidnapped child or actually the child of MH



Guess her ex hubby would be lying to then huh !!!

It's going to be crazy with all the speculation:rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

this is what we have to look forward to until the trial I guess..:biggrin:
ok think it is nap time for me..

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2447479-Slideshow-+Murder+suspect+Melissa+Huckaby+arraigned+in+Stock ton+Friday-&widget=push&article-Slideshow-%20Murder%20suspect%20Melissa%20Huckaby%20arraigne d%20in%20Stockton%20Friday-%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Slideshow: Murder suspect Melissa Huckaby arraigned in Stockton Friday.

[aproudmom]

Guess her ex hubby would be lying to then huh !!!

It's going to be crazy with all the speculation:rolleyes:

um yep I think so it is getting crazy I think we will hear a lot that is untrue even from people that are local..but some of their comments are funny..still would not want to be around there though think a lot are just angry wanting to know more or do not agree with the judge and gag order..anyway I need to stop reading cause they are only going to get crazier...jmo and my gosh I dont need to be any crazier:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

I am working backwards on the clifford lane lawless line right now. I will post it all when I get it done. right now I am trying to figure out who the kids of clifford lanes brother Paul George Lawless are. it shouldn't be much longer and I will have the nephews of CLL.. then we can see if they are tied to Gary D Lawless, who was married to the mother of Timothy John Lawless/Gomes.
Father of Clifford Lane Lawless and Paul George Lawless(aka George Paul Lawless, born jan 1927 washington, died 1997 maryland)is George W. Lawless. Their mother is Jesse G Dicus, and step-mother is Esther, so I am getting back there.

If Timothy John Lawless does not tie to Paul George Lawless, Clifford Lane Lawless brother, then I will go back to their father's brothers and see if he comes down through one of their cousins. If not, then I can't see how they are connected through the Lawless name.

I will get this in more of a "report" fashion so it is easy to understand.
give me a bit


I've almost got this together will post in just a bit.

are you looking in the ancestry or old newspapers

[sunstar]

I think they just added more of what the Judge said.

Still seems to be in line with other media outlets though.

Lofthus granted a motion by Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa to seal Sandra's autopsy and toxicology reports from public view. The judge said releasing the information about the "heinous" crime might invade the privacy rights of the girl's family and could lead to a "great danger of public outrage."

imo
It sounds to me like there is overwhelming evidence that Sandra was sexually assaulted immediately prior to her death ~ and the judge not only wants to protect Sandra's dignity, but is also thinking of the potential jury pool. MOO

[aproudmom]

I'm not so sure that the media was just being "nice" by giving this family time. Every presser, news report, etc., that I saw done just outside the entrance to the mobilehome park showed a marked police unit at the entrance checking all those who were coming in. I also think that because the entire mobilehome park is basically private property, media was told that they did not have permission to enter... it would interfere with the peace and quiet of the other tenants of mobilehome park.

No I know that but have you seen them in the faces of Sandra's mother or father or aunt and uncle or grandparents? others I was not talking about I read a comment from someone in the park that said they tried to stop her at 5am with a mic and camera in her face..when she was leaving for work..so I know the LE has been there thank goodness but I still feel I have not seen tons of reporters running along the funeral procession really saw very little of it or chasing them down at the courthouse..they may ask them if they want to comment but I guess from what I have seen on the news they are not having mics stuck in their faces..maybe I am wrong I am not there...look at what the Anthony's neighbors had to go through..they had protesters out there when CA was in jail..because she is a baby killer..I am sure with so many talking about the lawless family if they wanted to they would stand out at the gates of the MHP and scream and yell..or down at the church..never mind..seems their LE has done a wonderful job of keeping both families from being bothered..kudos to them

[oodi]

No I know that but have you seen them in the faces of Sandra's mother or father or aunt and uncle or grandparents? others I was not talking about I read a comment from someone in the park that said they tried to stop her at 5am with a mic and camera in her face..when she was leaving for work..so I know the LE has been there thank goodness but I still feel I have not seen tons of reporters running along the funeral procession really saw very little of it or chasing them down at the courthouse..they may ask them if they want to comment but I guess from what I have seen on the news they are not having mics stuck in their faces..maybe I am wrong I am not there...look at what the Anthony's neighbors had to go through..they had protesters out there when CA was in jail..because she is a baby killer..I am sure with so many talking about the lawless family if they wanted to they would stand out at the gates of the MHP and scream and yell..or down at the church..never mind..seems their LE has done a wonderful job of keeping both families from being bothered..kudos to them

The media can be very "cruel" sometimes... and you're right... it has been a bit different this time. I'm not sure if it's the media, LE, or a combination of things. Whatever it is, it has been nice to see that there has been more respect shown.

[aproudmom]

It sounds to me like there is overwhelming evidence that Sandra was sexually assaulted immediately prior to her death ~ and the judge not only wants to protect Sandra's dignity, but is also thinking of the potential jury pool. MOO

:crying:WHY? is all I have to say..why would someone do that to a child. I have watched and read so many horrible crimes but this one is about the sadest one I have seen in along time..I used to run a site with abused and murdered children and it never got to me like this one has maybe it was cause I felt I was helping them in some way and in Sandra's case I cant other than pray she gets JUSTICE. I can not see MH at 28 all of a sudden becoming a SO so is there more children that just do not remember or was Sandra taken to actually be murdered or just raped..I know we don't know and there is no answer no one knows what she has or has not done..

[aproudmom]

The media can be very "cruel" sometimes... and you're right... it has been a bit different this time. I'm not sure if it's the media, LE, or a combination of things. Whatever it is, it has been nice to see that there has been more respect shown.

ITA I really think they have protected not only Sandra's family but others in that park you do not see LE staked out like that in most cases..so once again kudos to them..and people can be cruel and a lot hate the Anthony's I will keep MO to myself..but not only CA was being a target her parents and brother were also and the whole neighborhood so I figured when MH family started talking and showing up they would be attacked for supporting her..

[Firefly]

I am not so sure they could get any photos..only the report or perhaps it is not that way in CA I know FL had to change its laws after Dale Earnhardt died all the media wanted his autopsy photos his family req all fans to do a mass email asking them to change the law. so they changed it in FL only family LE can have the photos otherwise they are sealed..they can get the report just not pics...which in a case like this just reading the report would be horrific with out photos...I would hate to be on that jury and have to view those..:crying:

That's a very good point. I'm not from California either and I'm unfamiliar with their law on that. I think though that if I were on the jury...distasteful as it might be...I would want to see the photos. As I've mentioned in other posts, I'm not convinced that a rape was involved in this case, and as a juror I would want to see the condition of the body from pictures taken before the autopsy and after and try to understand what evidence they were using as evidence of rape. "Genital trauma" covers a very wide spectrum. Including, I would suspect, damage that might occur if you had to fold a person up to place them in the suitcase, or from body bloating, or just the break down of human tissue after several days. 10 days is a long time to be in water, and it reportedly does some pretty drastic things to a cadaver.
I would imagine it is exactly these "things" that the judge doesn't want the world to see...in order not to prejudice the case nor to subject the Cantu family to constantly being shown these images during interviews, in the media or on the internet.

[sunstar]

:crying:WHY? is all I have to say..why would someone do that to a child. I have watched and read so many horrible crimes but this one is about the sadest one I have seen in along time..I used to run a site with abused and murdered children and it never got to me like this one has maybe it was cause I felt I was helping them in some way and in Sandra's case I cant other than pray she gets JUSTICE. I can not see MH at 28 all of a sudden becoming a SO so is there more children that just do not remember or was Sandra taken to actually be murdered or just raped..I know we don't know and there is no answer no one knows what she has or has not done..
I can't get past "why" either. I think this is one of the most horrific crimes because of the suspect being a woman ~ a woman Sandra's family obviously trusted Sandra to go into her home and play with her daughter. And the haunting videotape. One moment Sandra is happily skipping across the street and then once she's out of camera range we can only imagine what must have happened to her. When looking at that video, it's like you want to tell her "Don't go! Go home instead!" :crying: MOO

[dinojen]

Totally OT and I apologize..but Bea Arthur of Golden Girls died..:sad: Just got a news alert..

[aproudmom]

That's a very good point. I'm not from California either and I'm unfamiliar with their law on that. I think though that if I were on the jury...distasteful as it might be...I would want to see the photos. As I've mentioned in other posts, I'm not convinced that a rape was involved in this case, and as a juror I would want to see the condition of the body from pictures taken before the autopsy and after and try to understand what evidence they were using as evidence of rape. "Genital trauma" covers a very wide spectrum. Including, I would suspect, damage that might occur if you had to fold a person up to place them in the suitcase, or from body bloating, or just the break down of human tissue after several days. 10 days is a long time to be in water, and it reportedly does some pretty drastic things to a cadaver.
I would imagine it is exactly these "things" that the judge doesn't want the world to see...in order not to prejudice the case nor to subject the Cantu family to constantly being shown these images during interviews, in the media or on the internet.

I am sure glad they never call me to be on a Jury or never keep me when they see there is a conflict since a small town and 2 judges and one is my BIL..I could not do it not in a case like this..of course the Jury will have to view all the evidence to come to a verdict..I would say don't even pick me cause I would want to take care of her myself and I know that is wrong of me because she has the right to a fair trial so I would have to just be honest and tell them don't put me in one of those chairs cause I could not be a impartial juror..:angry:

[aproudmom]

Totally OT and I apologize..but Bea Arthur of Golden Girls died..:sad: Just got a news alert..

omg:crying: I got to call my mom we always watched the Golden girls..thanks..

[aproudmom]

Totally OT and I apologize..but Bea Arthur of Golden Girls died..:sad: Just got a news alert..

thank dino was watching Nascar and a BAD wreck so did not have it on the news channel..so thanks for letting us know..even if a little O/T appreciate it

[aproudmom]

these pictures are heartbreaking..I would not want to mess with Sandra's father and uncles glad they are doing something in her memory cause bet they could do some damage..does anyone know if Josh duckett or Mark Lunsford has been there I am sure Mark K hasn't or he would have said so on NG..or Walsh usually they try to go and show the families support I know Josh was in FL when Haleigh C went missing and when Caylee went missing well we know she was never missing now..

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,7054,00.html#16_385

[meadowlark]

are you looking in the ancestry or old newspapers


I am looking in many different places/databases, probably about 10 different ones.

I now have clifford lane lawless familiy all the way back to clifford's great-grandfather. Now I am coming back forward with all the siblings in each generation to see if there is any other lawless names married in their who might have a son Gary D lawless/who married the mother of Timothy John Lawless. LOL

I do have one Gary first name who is the grandson of someone LOL, so have to chase that one down to see if he might be a lawless, but so far I have not come across another Gary anyone. but I am still looking.

I have a LOT of this in report form now to where it is easy to understand. But it is a LOT of information. Will be a HUGE post if I post it.

should I post it in this thread?

[aproudmom]

Sorry just seen this what in the holy heck are wrong with people these days....SORRY..all these poor kids WHY? is something happening to our country:angry:
PASSAIC, N.J. — The body of a 3-year-old New Jersey girl was found in the Passaic River, just hours after her uncle left with her and told family members "to watch the 6 o'clock news tonight".:cursing:

[Ninja108]

IMO, I think MH was raped at some point in her life. Rape/molestation is pretty much one of the most horrible crimes that can happen to a adult/child. Your very soul is torn away from you from being violated in the worst way possible. You can never go back to the way you were before. Your sense of innocence, safety and so much more is taken away from you. Some rape victims turn to alcohol or drugs, some take their own lives. Many are able to on, albeit never the same as they were before.
But for others, they develop a rage. A sick sadistic rage. Not just at the person who did it to them, but to those that resemble their abuser... and those who resemble the person they used to be before they were abused. And in a sick and twistest way, they take out their anger on what happened to them on others. I think MH saw Sandra Cantu and other little girls playing, skipping etc and being happy kids and slowly became filled with jealously and anger. Angry that they got a chance to be children and enjoy their childhood, something that was taken from her long ago. And in her sick mind, she decided to punish them for that, thus resulting in Sandra's death.
This doesn't mean I feel sorry for MH. There is no excuse for killing a child and I hope she gets the harshest punishment possible. Just my theory on why she did it.

[aproudmom]

I am looking in many different places/databases, probably about 10 different ones.

I now have clifford lane lawless familiy all the way back to clifford's great-grandfather. Now I am coming back forward with all the siblings in each generation to see if there is any other lawless names married in their who might have a son Gary D lawless/who married the mother of Timothy John Lawless. LOL

I do have one Gary first name who is the grandson of someone LOL, so have to chase that one down to see if he might be a lawless, but so far I have not come across another Gary anyone. but I am still looking.

I have a LOT of this in report form now to where it is easy to understand. But it is a LOT of information. Will be a HUGE post if I post it.

should I post it in this thread?

I dont care if you post it..man you do not give up do ya lark..you have been working on this all day..

[meadowlark]

Sorry just seen this what in the holy heck are wrong with people these days....SORRY..all these poor kids WHY? is something happening to our country:angry:
PASSAIC, N.J. — The body of a 3-year-old New Jersey girl was found in the Passaic River, just hours after her uncle left with her and told family members "to watch the 6 o'clock news tonight".:cursing:


unreal !!!

people are nuts, the world is getting really crazy out there. Nothing supprises me anymore. I have looked at so much of this stuff over the years, I have come to the conclusion it is just getting worse and worse and something needs to be done, but seems no one is doing it. ugh.

so much of this stuff going on I think it is kind of like the war on drugs, there is just so much of it, the police can't keep up to stop this craziness.

I watched a segment on oprah the other day, caught my attention, I usually don't watch her, but.... it showed the police trying to chase down child porn traffickers. not just porn but torture etc of children, and it showed the state of florida they were tracking in, and had little lights light up on the map where there was massive download and upload of child torture etc, and the whole dang state lit up from one end to the other where people were doing massive upload and download of this stuff. and some of these people had several children in one room... where do they get these childern? and where do they go.

see this stuff has to be stopped. people need to get educated about this stuff and try to help stop this. it's not just the melissa huckaby case, its all over, and it is massive. its not just small children either, its a lot of teenagers and younger adults.

its all horrible, I just get overwhelmed at times trying to track these people. ugh. or try to help find out something. but I figure if each person can do just one thing, maybe it will helf to locate these people they are doing this to, and help to get it stopped, at least for some.


the whole thing just mind-boggles me. ugh

[aproudmom]

I am looking in many different places/databases, probably about 10 different ones.

I now have clifford lane lawless familiy all the way back to clifford's great-grandfather. Now I am coming back forward with all the siblings in each generation to see if there is any other lawless names married in their who might have a son Gary D lawless/who married the mother of Timothy John Lawless. LOL

I do have one Gary first name who is the grandson of someone LOL, so have to chase that one down to see if he might be a lawless, but so far I have not come across another Gary anyone. but I am still looking.

I have a LOT of this in report form now to where it is easy to understand. But it is a LOT of information. Will be a HUGE post if I post it.

should I post it in this thread?

lark is this the one Blink has on his site?? I have not opened the site just wondered if it came off that site..

[meadowlark]

lark is this the one Blink has on his site?? I have not opened the site just wondered if it came off that site..


I don't go to that site. I tried to go there long ago and my computer froze up and made a mess and I did not go back any more, so I have no idea what they have over there. And from the sound of what everyone is saying, seems like it would just be confusing to read over there

so I have no idea what is over there.

what I have I have started from scratch and searched all my databases and everything I can find in records and then put this together in one big report form. I use to do a lot of genealogy, so I am use to doing this.

I'll post what I have. then I will just keep adding to it.

this way if anyone else is trying to find something it will be there and they won't have to do all this work.

[aproudmom]

unreal !!!

people are nuts, the world is getting really crazy out there. Nothing supprises me anymore. I have looked at so much of this stuff over the years, I have come to the conclusion it is just getting worse and worse and something needs to be done, but seems no one is doing it. ugh.

so much of this stuff going on I think it is kind of like the war on drugs, there is just so much of it, the police can't keep up to stop this craziness.

I watched a segment on Oprah the other day, caught my attention, I usually don't watch her, but.... it showed the police trying to chase down child porn traffickers. not just porn but torture etc of children, and it showed the state of florida they were tracking in, and had little lights light up on the map where there was massive download and upload of child torture etc, and the whole dang state lit up from one end to the other where people were doing massive upload and download of this stuff. and some of these people had several children in one room... where do they get these childern? and where do they go.

see this stuff has to be stopped. people need to get educated about this stuff and try to help stop this. it's not just the melissa huckaby case, its all over, and it is massive. its not just small children either, its a lot of teenagers and younger adults.

its all horrible, I just get overwhelmed at times trying to track these people. ugh. or try to help find out something. but I figure if each person can do just one thing, maybe it will helf to locate these people they are doing this to, and help to get it stopped, at least for some.


the whole thing just mind-boggles me. ugh

I usually don't watch her either but did see that one...and I always say if one person can do something to help these kids then it is well worth it..may not change the world but education is a big problem in a lot of areas I volunteer as much as I can usually in domestic violence shelters or phone lines since I have been there and if you can save one person and get them out with their kids you have done something and kids do not need to be brought up in that environment or violence..I often look at my kids and wonder how anyone could harm their kids they do not ask to be brought into this world.I also wonder what MH little girl has been around the more we hear the more it worries me the fires her mental state depression and this I guess that child is lucky to be alive..she may have never harmed her but it sure sounds as if she was unable to be taking care of that child at certain times in her life...anyway thanks for all your doing

[oodi]

lark is this the one Blink has on his site?? I have not opened the site just wondered if it came off that site..

To my knowledge, Blink is the only one that is claiming that the Timothy J Lawless, that was arrested for child molestation by the Folsom PD on 4-15-09 is related to MH. The mother of Timothy J Lawless was married to a Gary D Lawless sometime after her children was born, and they were only married for a month. meadowlark is trying to find out if Gary D Lawless is related to MH in any way. Apparently, Folsom PD has stated that the rumor that they are related is false.

[meadowlark]

To my knowledge, Blink is the only one that is claiming that the Timothy J Lawless, that was arrested for child molestation by the Folsom PD on 4-15-09 is related to MH. The mother of Timothy J Lawless was married to a Gary D Lawless sometime after her children was born, and they were only married for a month. meadowlark is trying to find out if Gary D Lawless is related to MH in any way. Apparently, Folsom PD has stated that the rumor that they are related is false.

does that site why they think they are related? Do they show the relationship? or through whom? or what do they use to show its true? or where did they hear this? do they say?

or do they just say something and say nothing about the HOW LOL

or even how they know?

gee, would save a lot of work.

basically I would not care but I do personally THINK melissa is tied to some other people and so I am trying to find out who it is, so I am willing to go through all these people to see if it MIGHT really be true.

if this is coming down through another line of the family, then we need to know, but if this is not connected oh well, at least by the time I am done we will KNOW ALL ABOUT this family and who is in it LOL

[aproudmom]

QUESTION does the DA have to put the DP on the table with in so many days of the charges? and does anyone know if CA is a big DP state? TIA if anyone knows..it seems a lot harder to get a DP verdict without so many appeals so I am not so sure I want to see the DP..JMO

[oodi]

does that site why they think they are related? Do they show the relationship? or through whom? or what do they use to show its true? or where did they hear this? do they say?

or do they just say something and say nothing about the HOW LOL

or even how they know?

gee, would save a lot of work.

basically I would not care but I do personally THINK melissa is tied to some other people and so I am trying to find out who it is, so I am willing to go through all these people to see if it MIGHT really be true.

if this is coming down through another line of the family, then we need to know, but if this is not connected oh well, at least by the time I am done we will KNOW ALL ABOUT this family and who is in it LOL

Blink refuses to say how Timothy J Lawless and MH are related, and give the reason being that because the cases involve minors. Why that would have any bearing on it is beyond me. Despite several questions and comments about Folsom PD stating that it is a false rumor, Blink still maintains that it is true, and that they have their sources. Blink also claimed that the arrest of Timothy J Lawless was not in the police blotter or in the inmate info, because LE was trying to keep it quiet because they are related. However, the arrest log is there in plain view on the Sac County Sheriff's inmate info, and it appeared in the Sac Bee over a week ago.


There was clearly false information posted on the Blink site a couple of days ago (proven false by the very video they posted on their own site), so in my opinion, that dog don't hunt. :thumbdown:

[aproudmom]

does that site why they think they are related? Do they show the relationship? or through whom? or what do they use to show its true? or where did they hear this? do they say?

or do they just say something and say nothing about the HOW LOL

or even how they know?

gee, would save a lot of work.

basically I would not care but I do personally THINK melissa is tied to some other people and so I am trying to find out who it is, so I am willing to go through all these people to see if it MIGHT really be true.

if this is coming down through another line of the family, then we need to know, but if this is not connected oh well, at least by the time I am done we will KNOW ALL ABOUT this family and who is in it LOL


I am not sure how or where they get the info but when they said she was teaching at a church and singing in the choir and was never a SS teacher at her GP church I looked the church up it was 5 and a half hours away..it was bull the church had a site she was not listed on it..I left him or her 10 comments about it I thought it was untrue plus some info on the handyman of the church and they never take it down or explain..so I do not even bother going there anymore..it says sources a lot of time..does not say who the source is..

[dinojen]

QUESTION does the DA have to put the DP on the table with in so many days of the charges? and does anyone know if CA is a big DP state? TIA if anyone knows..it seems a lot harder to get a DP verdict without so many appeals so I am not so sure I want to see the DP..JMO

Seems to me CA is big at handing down the death penalty...but we also have 672 sitting on death row... we take our time it seems to use the needle...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-usa

The most of any state.. go figure...:rolleyes:

[oodi]

You know after releasing this statement they could have just as well released the autopsy.

That pretty much sums it up. They might as well have put up a neon sign saying... "IT'S WORSE THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY IMAGINE"

[aproudmom]

is this her uncle or fathers church? it has Brian lawless on several study groups..

http://www.fmbcbellflower.org/groupschedule.html

[aproudmom]

Seems to me CA is big at handing down the death penalty...but we also have 672 sitting on death row... we take our time it seems to use the needle...

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-usa

The most of any state.. go figure...:rolleyes:

omg that many I am not even sure they have it here I think they do but only know of one women that was on D row but then it was commuted to Life..her daughter worked for me and my BIL was the asst Pros on the case...
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/row/thackerl.htm

[oodi]

Exactly, Oodi.

As it stand right now, I still want the DP for this suspect...unless something VERY revealing turns up because I don't think LWOP will bother her all that much. She can carry on with her little charades.

I guess we'll find out next month when/if she enters a plea, whether or not there is any kind of "deal" in the works.

[aproudmom]

Exactly, Oodi.

As it stand right now, I still want the DP for this suspect...unless something VERY revealing turns up because I don't think LWOP will bother her all that much. She can carry on with her little charades.

but they get so many appeals and then a lot of time they commute the sentence..I am not sure what is the best cause she will set on Death Row for years and it is much harder to get a verict on a DP case ..heck I dont know I really think it should be up to the family of the victims....IMO I would rather just say give me the needle...

[aproudmom]

I guess we'll find out next month when/if she enters a plea, whether or not there is any kind of "deal" in the works.

You know what I just saw how S. Peterson is doing what a nice tan he has got on DR..kinda made me sick he is asking for money to get him out and has a website be sends blogs to his family to put in..he was even bashing LE on the arrest of Chandra Levy's killer saying that he was more than likely innocent..okey dokey

I guess I wonder if she would plea with the DP on the table from what I heard Pat Brown say she wil be fine in prison so you could be right..she may find her a G/F in there

[aproudmom]

Not sure Proudmom:



http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-19/was-melissa-huckaby-raped/

thank you I have heard it is their church they go to..but did not think she was going there I think I got it off blinks page a while back cause I was not so sure she would drive that far to sing and be a SS teacher..but it was his claims..heck I can not even keep up with who is who how lark can get all her information and remember it I have no idea

[aproudmom]

True but I really really hope she won't get a deal. She should never be free again.

I do not either that is why I like FL if you get LWOP it is LWOP you never get out..I never know that until I watch a live trial from there cause I would always get angry to hear someone gets life and they get out in 20 or 25yrs..

[aproudmom]

I have never seen a death sentence commuted in California but it might happen. I do recall a woman who was killed for murder in the gas chamber a long time ago because they made a movie out of it called, "I Want To Live."

well real glad to hear that..I know IN is not big on the DP.
I will have to check out the movie I have been searching for several one I can not find anywhere it was a true story my mind went blank but Natasha Richardson played the part the actress that just died from the fall while skiing..In CA is lethal injection or do they still have the electric chair..for one it seems to easy to me it more less puts them to sleep IMO

[dinojen]

Last woman to be executed in CA was in ... are you sitting down...8/8/1962.. Elizabeth Duncan by gas chamber. CA has 18 sitting on death row...

[meadowlark]

okay I am going to post a bit of this, so if anyone is looking for anything, they have a jump start on it and don't have to repeat all this work.

I still have a lot of info I have to fill in, that I do have gathered up, so I'll keep working on it and when I get a lot more filled in, I will post it again updated.

I just don't want to keep cluttering up the thread by reposting every time I find a new piece.

right now I am working on all the people who were at the reunion and jesse lawless was there also, and one of the people there has a grandson named GARY, so I am trying to see if he might be a gary d lawless, some lawless his other married.


okay, will post some now

[aproudmom]

does that site why they think they are related? Do they show the relationship? or through whom? or what do they use to show its true? or where did they hear this? do they say?

or do they just say something and say nothing about the HOW LOL

or even how they know?

gee, would save a lot of work.

basically I would not care but I do personally THINK melissa is tied to some other people and so I am trying to find out who it is, so I am willing to go through all these people to see if it MIGHT really be true.

if this is coming down through another line of the family, then we need to know, but if this is not connected oh well, at least by the time I am done we will KNOW ALL ABOUT this family and who is in it LOL


here is his answer to someone who questioned if this person was related to MH..:rolleyes:


you are certain they are related? How are they related?
this involves a minor, so I have chosen not to release that part of the info from my source, and just put out what I could verify.
B

[meadowlark]

George W. Lawless (Father of Clifford Lane Lawless)
born - date unknown, North Dakota
death - November 11, 1969

His Parents born: Unknown, USA

George W. Lawless married: 1st wife

Jesse G. Dicus (Mother of Clifford Lane Lawless)
born - about 1907 Washington
death -
Her Parents Born: Father, Iowa / Mother Canada(English)
Her parents: Father Alfred Dicus; Mother Sarah/aka Sallie/aka *****
Parents of Alfred Dicus: Father, Ohio / Mother, Iowa
Parents of Sarah: both from Canada/English
Alfred Dicus
Born -12 Mar 1876
Death - Feb 1972 (Brewster, Okanogan, WA 98812 )
***** Dicus
Born - 28 Feb 1882
Death - Apr 1966 98846 (Pateros, Okanogan, WA)


George W. Lawless married: 2nd wife November 24, 1955 Brewster WA

Esther Luretta Lawless
born - October 23, 1897; Rome, Wisconsin
death - Jan 1983 (Brewster, Okanogan, WA 98812)
Her Parents Born: unknown

_______________________________
Jesse G. Dicus (Mother of Clifford Lane Lawless)
marred: 2nd husband
Unknown - AKA "Lucky Louie"
born-
death -

_________________________

Children of George W. Lawless and Jessie G. Dicus

son: Paul George Lawless
born - Jan 24, 1927
death - Mar 26, 1997

married: 1st Wife

born -
death -



son: Clifford Lane Lawless
born -
death - Living

married: 1st Wife July 9, 1960; Modesto Ca
Connie L Harris
born -
death - Living
Her Parents: A. A. Harris & Irene Harris

____________________________

Children of Clifford Lane Lawless & Connie L. Harris:

Brian Lawless
born -
death - Living

Brett Lawless
born -
death - Living

Joni Lawless
born -
death - Living
married Hughes

___________________________
Children of Brian Lawless & Judy A ?

Melissa Chantel Lawless
born -
death - Living

married 1st Husband Johnny Huckaby


Adam B Lawless 23

Celeb J Lawless 21

Julianne Lawless

[meadowlark]

more information on Clifford Lane Lawless

living in San Jose at least from Sept 1976 - Sept 1979
Quad-City Herald Sept 9, 1976
Lane Lawless of San Jose, California, was here last week visiting Esther Lawless

Quad-City Herald Sept 6, 1979
Mr. and Mrs. Lane Lawless, Brian, Brett and Joni of San Jose, California, have been visiting Eshter Lawless.
They took a trip up the Nethow for a few days, and celebrated Lane's birthday with the Ted Huckabee family.



graduated from Brewster HS in 1950

Was on debate team at brewster High School
Quad-City Herald - Feb 7, 1980

Religious Background Information

clifford lane lawless studied under A. A. Harris

clifford's wife Connie is the daughter of A. A. and Irene Harris.

clifford and wife connie were married by A. A. Harris in Modesto Ca on July 9, 1960 He was also baptized this day by A. A. Harris

He was saved Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee. Elder A.A. Harris administered the ordinance



so he was baptized in wanachee wa the same day he was married in modesto CA?______________________________



more information on Paul George Lawless (Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

Paul George Lawless ( Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)
Born: 24 Jan 1927
Died: 26 Mar 1997



P. George Lawless ( Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: P George Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1926
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: George W Lawless
Mother's Name: Jessie G
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
father George W Lawless born North Dakota
his parents born Unknown in USA
Occupation of George W Lawless - electrician
George W Lawless is a War Veteran

Mother, Jesse G. Dicus born In Washington
her father b. in Iowa, her mother b. Canada/English

Neighbors: 1930 census
Rawley Family
Lamberton Family


Household Members:
Name Age
George W Lawless 37
Jessie G Lawless 24
P George Lawless 3 4/12



Death Record For Paul George LawlessPaul Lawless
SSN: 531-30-7260
Last Residence: 20781 Hyattsville, Prince Georges, Maryland, United States of America
Born: 24 Jan 1927
Died: 26 Mar 1997
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951)


military for George Paul Lawless/Paul George Lawless
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
about George P Lawless
Name: George P Lawless
Birth Year: 1927
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Washington
State of Residence: Washington
County or City: Okanogan

Enlistment Date: 20 Jun 1945
Enlistment State: Washington
Enlistment City: Fort Lewis
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 4 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents

[meadowlark]

More information on Esther Luretta Lawless (Step-Mother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

Esther Luretta Lawless
born October 23, 1897 Rome, Wisconsin
died/ Sacred Medical Center Spokane
Living in Brewster wa
member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic church and the Altar Society.
she followed the seasonal fruit harvest
funeral-wednesday, jan 26, 1983 10 am
sacred heart roman catholic church.
rosary services hel tuesday jan 25, 1983 8pm barnes chapel rev joe bell officiating,
intermet brewster cemetery. barnes chapel, brewster in charge of arrangmets.

ESTHER LAWLESS
23 Oct 1897
Jan 1983
98812 (Brewster, Okanogan, WA)
556-05-7334
California first issue SS#

[meadowlark]

More information on Jesse Dicus

The Herald Reporter - Aug 18, 1960

Reunio Brings Sisters Together

The home of Mrs. Florence Mansfield was the scene of the reunion of six Sanderson sisters and their families last Sunday.

Present was Mrs. Clara McKenzie, from Lewiston, Idaho, who arrived Friday night of last week, Mrs. Bea Ganzman, of Walla Walla, who was accompanied by her grandson, Gary, who arrived on Monday of last week, Mr. and Mrs. George of Snyder, (Gladys), of Seattle, who came on Tuesday of last week, Mr. and Mrs. Harold Haight, (Grace), of Spokane, who arrived last Saturday, and Mrs. Al Dicus, (*****), of Pateros.

Mr. and Mrs. George O. Snyder and their family, from Clallam Bay, also came to the reunion, as did Mr. and Mrs. Tom Mutch and their three children, of Ephrata. Mrs. Mutch is a daughter of the Haights, and George Snyder is the so of the George Snyders. Others present were Mr. and Mrs. Frank Dicus, from Chelan, Mr. and Mrs. Kenneth Sanderson, from 25 mile creek, Mrs. Jessie Lawless, from Seattle, and Mrs. Eva Sanderson, Mr. and Mrs. Ernie Lemon and family, Mr. Phin Wright, and Mrs. Mamie Tupper, all of Pateros.

Most of the visitors left on Monday, after spending some time visiting their many old friends and relatives in this area.

_____________________

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Jesse Dicus
Home in 1920: Pateros, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 13 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Father's Birth Place: Iowa
Mother's Name: Sarah
Mother's Birth Place: Canada
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 371
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Dicus 42
Sarah Dicus 37
Eva Dicus 17
Jesse Dicus 13
Everest Dicus 9
David Dicus 7
______________

father of jesse Dicus

ALFRED DICUS
Born -12 Mar 1876
DEath -Feb 1972
(Brewster, Okanogan, WA 98812 )
536-05-0269 Washington

Mother of Jesse Dicus
***** DICUS
Born - 28 Feb 1882
Death - Apr 1966 98846 (Pateros, Okanogan, WA)
534-26-7971 Washington

___________________

jesse's brother David above

Name: David W Dicus
Home in 1930: Pateros, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: Alferd
Mother's Name: Sallie E
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alferd Dicus 54
Sallie E Dicus 48
Eva L Dicus 27
Everest A Dicus 20
David W Dicus 18
Norbert F Dicus 8

Washington Death Index, 1940-1996
about David W Dicus
Name: David W Dicus
Date of Death: 31 Jan 1970
Place of Death: Omak
RESIDENCE: Okanogan
Gender: Male
Certificate: 001282

________________

more info on siblings of Jesse Dicus



Brother of Jesse Dicus
EVEREST A DICUS
22 Feb 1910 06
Jan 1993
(Tonasket, Okanogan, WA 98855)
536-05-1268 Washington

[meadowlark]

More information on Alfred Dicus Family

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Alfred Dicus
Home in 1900: Foster Creek, Douglas, Washington
Age: 24
Birth Date: Mar 1876
Birthplace: Iowa
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father's Name: John J
Father's Birthplace: Ohio
Mother's Name: Lorretta
Mother's Birthplace: Iowa
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Chester, Columbia, Foster Creek, Gibson, and Pierpoint Precincts, Douglas, Washington
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John J Dicus 50
Lorretta Dicus 45
Alfred Dicus 24
William Dicus 14
Grace Dicus 16
Mark Dicus 9
John Dicus 6
Oscar Dicus 4

[meadowlark]

more information on Bea Ganzman, who was at the reunion, who had the grandson named Gary

1920 United States Federal Census
about Beatrice V Ganzman
Name: Beatrice V Ganzman
[Beatrice V Tanzman]
Home in 1920: Pateros, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 24 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Carl L E
Father's Birth Place: Canada
Mother's Birth Place: Canada
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 366
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Carl L E Ganzman 33
Beatrice V Ganzman 24
Hellen G Ganzman 4 2/12
Frances E Ganzman 2 1/12
C Everett Ganzman 11/12




1920 United States Federal Census
about Hellen G Ganzman
Name: Hellen G Ganzman
[Hellen G Tanzman]
Home in 1920: Pateros, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 4 years 2 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Carl L E
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Name: Beatrice V
Mother's Birth Place: Washington
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Image: 366
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Carl L E Ganzman 33
Beatrice V Ganzman 24
Hellen G Ganzman 4 2/12
Frances E Ganzman 2 1/12
C Everett Ganzman 11/12


Social Security Death Index
about Everett C. Ganzman
Name: Everett C. Ganzman
SSN: 532-07-3980
Last Residence: 98902 Yakima, Yakima, Washington, United States of America
Born: 18 Jan 1919
Died: 31 Aug 1998
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951)


Name: Everett C Ganzman
Birth Date: May 1920
Address: 620 S Pleasant Av, Yakima, Washington 98902-0501 (1993)
[15 S 8th Av #9, Yakima, Washington 98902-0401 (1993)]


World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Carl Ludwig Edward Ganzman
Name: Carl Ludwig Edward Ganzman
County: Okanogan
State: Washington
Birthplace: Baden;Germany
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1886
Race: Caucasian (White)
Roll: 1991725
DraftBoard: 0

[meadowlark]

compare to the family of Timothy John Lawless/ Gomes

mother of timothy john lawless maiden name is Tieken. Her mothers maiden name is forman(timothy's grandmother)

his mother had the 3 brothers, timothy, Gary and Jeffrey/jeffery
then she married Gary D lawless after they were all born. she married gary D lawless using the name Marylin e tieken and also married him using the name marylin e short, on the same day. she divorced him a month later. 5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes.

these boys are using the name of lawless and gomes. being she married both men after they were born, I am not sure if gary d lawless is their father, and they were married ONLY one month. they could have lived together all those years before being married though. so it is hard to say if gary d lawless is even their father. And then they start using the name of Gomes after that.

If timothy is connected to melissa huckaby lawless family, then it seems it would be through gary d lawless who his mother married for a month after he and his brothers were born. why do they then take on the gomes name of the next husband of their mother?

so at this point I have to figure out who gary d lawless the husband is. if he is connected to melissa's family. and even if he is, how long was he really with their mother and is he even their father. if he is their father and lived with the mother all those years before they got married, why would they get a divorce a month later?

kind of a strange situation.

will still try to look for the family of this gary lawless married to timothy's mother.



Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married him
caifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken
I can't find a divorce with her under the name of short

Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for mother and manuel gomes
yet.

_______________________

timothy's brother Gary Duane Lawless (above)
LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43)

Associated names:

GOMES, GARY
MANTON, CA
CORNING, CA
REDDING, CA
BORDEN, IN

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
LAWLESS DOLAN, VICTORIA R (Age 39)
GOMES, BURNHAM
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
LAWLESS, SAMANTHA TO (Age 48)
LAWLESS, LOWELL
LAWLESS, LAWLESS G
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41) other brother


LAWLESS, GARY
MANTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)


brother jeffrey is under Gomes
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41)
CORNING, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43) brother
GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44) this is timothy john lawless
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
GOMES, BURNHAM

[meadowlark]

in the first post the wife of alfred dicus is ***** dicus

for some reaons it post ******

the name is s-a-d-i-e d-i-c-u-s

Alfred Dicus
Born -12 Mar 1876
Death - Feb 1972 (Brewster, Okanogan, WA 98812 )
***** Dicus( **** = S_A_D_I_E)
Born - 28 Feb 1882
Death - Apr 1966 98846 (Pateros, Okanogan, WA)

[dinojen]

That's 47 years since a woman has been put to death in California..:scared: Guess it might as well be LWOP

[meadowlark]

here is his answer to someone who questioned if this person was related to MH..:rolleyes:


you are certain they are related? How are they related?
this involves a minor, so I have chosen not to release that part of the info from my source, and just put out what I could verify.
B

hmmmm thinking how putting out the relationship could hurt the minor involved... hmmmm

unless the minor is a relative of melissa. then the minors name might come out? that is the only thing I can think of that would bring out a child's idenity. and if the minor is a relative of meliss then if what he says is true, the minor is also a relative of timothy.

I can't thin of any other reason how saying how melissa is related to timothy would affect whoever the minor is.

[aproudmom]

OK another question 2 Drs examined her and found her fit for trial..so in this case will the State have one and then the defense also gets one to have her examined??mental problems for one that could be from depression to mood swings anxiety attacks bi-polar which most do not kill under any of those yes they are give medication..but IMO if she was so mentally ill why would they not remove her child? and I find it odd that if she went through all this her family of God and friends never pushed her to get help..this is JMO this girl is not some whack job I think she could have bi-polar because of her spending a lot of money on credit cards and jewelry doctor bills I can understand but she had a lot of debt and that is one thing people with bi-polar does then when they are not in the manic state they go into depression..so you have your manic state and then depression state and a lot of people will stop taking their meds because they think they are fine when they really need it but I am not a Dr so I am just looking at some of her history and I am very familiar with bi-polar I have a few relatives with it and they are on on disability I know I saw she got 600 a month from SSI so I would not be surprised if it is her undisclosed mental illness..for one they can not say anything about her medical due to the Hipaa laws so undisclosed does not mean to much to me......all JMO

I would also not be surprised to hear she may have had been molested as a child or teen..to start cutting depression and feels no one loves her at that age is a sure sign something is not right..

ok dinner time..sorry for rambling and I am not trying to be the Doctor I am just trying to figure out why all this happened and her problems from even the 6th grade...all is jmo have no proof of any of it..

[Lovethechild]

I think its safe to say there is no relation. Great job,meadow! :thumbsup: You are a research pro...thats alot of info.

[oodi]

I think its safe to say there is no relation. Great job,meadow! :thumbsup: You are a research pro...thats alot of info.

I totally agree... on all points!!!

[GentleBreeze]

Not to be graphic, but I have a little insight into the processes that occur after death in humans.
If reports are correct and the pond she was found in was actually a catch reservoir for the runoff from a dairy farm, then it would be allowed to sit with chemicals in it for a while so that the matter in it would break down to an acceptable point. And then it would be drained and used as very good fertilizer.
Anyone who has a compost pile from gardening knows that the process generates a lot of heat, which is what does most of the composting.
Poor little Sandra would have been in a relatively bad condition because of the excess heat in the drainoff pond.
I don't think anyone in the general public wants to hear this right now. And also, it would add to the accurate determination of a time of death, because the markers would be off because of accelerated decomposition. However, the prosecution experts will figure this out.
I personally know someone whose small child was murdered brutally by strangers. Until the trial, they were not told nor were they aware of the horrible injuries inflicted upon that child.
I think it is for the best to seal these findings for now. However, having the ME say he preserved the "relevant tissue samples" to prove his claims of rape is sickening. Necessary, but sickening to think of.
May Sandra's family find justice and peace. Hatred in the longterm will only lead to becoming ill and morbidly bereaved.
I pray they have a huge support system and avail themselves to all positive counseling available.
:crying:

I actually think Sandra's body may have been in better shape than some think. She was in a sealed suitcase and the water temperatures were still low. Both things would slow the decomposition down.

I really think that the ME could visually see the damage that had been done to Sandra by Huckaby. So much so that early on they added the special circumstances to the charges. It had not been enough time to get tissue sample and other results back imo.

Bodies that have been in water can be in much better shape than if they are placed in a shallow grave or above ground for 10 days open to all sort of variables that progresses the decomp even at a faster rate.

I am still not sure that this was a holding pond with chemicals/bio waste in, it but a irrigation pond instead, which means it was water pumped in by a well and then to be pumped out to irrigate the fields. I do know that dairy farmers prepare fields so that their dairy cattle can graze in the pastures and this is usually how they irrigate their planted fields.

So I do concur that it is best that the autopsy report not be revealed at this time. It would serve no purpose and would only cause more pain and suffering for Sandra's family, if that is possible. The Judge knows she must be very careful what gets out that may taint the potential jury pool where it would interfere with the defendant getting a fair trail. However this one ends up the Judge does not want it coming back to her on appeal.

imo

[oodi]

Here's a link to the video of the suitcase in the pond before it was removed by LE.

http://www.kcra.com/video/19111954/index.html

The water looks "chunky" to me... not sure if it's mud or manure. But the suitcase doesn't look like it would be watertight.

[dinojen]

Wow.. Tracy has been inundated with crimes these last months... feel bad for the TPD...

Neighbors charged with shackling and torturing a teenager in a Tracy home. A substitute teacher accused of molesting upward of 15 students. A surgeon arrested for the alleged sexual abuse of dozens of patients. And, most recently, a Sunday school teacher charged with kidnapping, raping and murdering the playmate of her own little girl.

"I was just bombarded," said Cogburn, who grew up nearby and joined the Tracy police force after college.

"They always say don't take your cases home with you — they preach that every day from day one at the academy," said Cogburn, 28. "But I always take them home. They're with me all the time."

This San Francisco Bay-area suburb has nearly doubled in size since the mid-1990s, to 80,000 people.

It has been ranked one of the state's safest cities, but those recent major cases have taken a toll on its police officers.

"As the city grows, inevitably, the crime gets more complex, there will be more conflict ... and the police will get caught in the middle of that," said Joseph McNamara, a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution who was San Jose's police chief from 1976 to 1991.

Police were especially stressed by the disappearance and murder last month of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu. The department's sworn officers and staff pulled 2,966 hours of overtime on that case alone.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2448845-Stream+of+horrific+crimes+takes+toll+on+town+cops&article-Stream%20of%20horrific%20crimes%20takes%20toll%20o n%20town%20cops%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Tracy should be very proud of their police dept...they did a great job in all of these cases...

[meadowlark]

I am still looking, I have not totally ruled out everyone in clifford Lane lawless family yet, as POSSIBLY being related to Timothy John Lawless/gomes LOL

I will post more when I get more together.

[GentleBreeze]

The suitcase was HEAVY. She wasn't in a "sealed" suitcase in that it's a canvas bag. It was zipped, but would surely have filled with water. So she was in swamp water for like . . . more than a week.

I never saw that the bag looked heavy to carry. I did see the officers gingerly carry her out. I don't think that had anything to do with the heaviness but was done with the utmost respect. Even if she weighed twice as much as she did, which she didn't imo, that would have only been 90 pounds.

Swamp water?

It still would take a progression of time and all variables have to be taken into consideration. I do think since the DA added the other charges very quickly that the body was not as decomposed as we may think.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Here's a link to the video of the suitcase in the pond before it was removed by LE.

http://www.kcra.com/video/19111954/index.html

The water looks "chunky" to me... not sure if it's mud or manure. But the suitcase doesn't look like it would be watertight.

It just looks like most when they are being drained off to irrigate a field. Seems pretty clean on the bottom of the pond as the water recedes away from the shoreline.

imo

[aproudmom]

hmmmm thinking how putting out the relationship could hurt the minor involved... hmmmm

unless the minor is a relative of melissa. then the minors name might come out? that is the only thing I can think of that would bring out a child's idenity. and if the minor is a relative of meliss then if what he says is true, the minor is also a relative of timothy.

I can't thin of any other reason how saying how melissa is related to timothy would affect whoever the minor is.

lark did u find anything I went and read some comments as much as I hate to and there is a pic on one comment of this person an blink says it is him..now he will not answer the hard questions posted to him only the nice ones..so have you been on the site and read comments?

[oodi]

lark did u find anything I went and read some comments as much as I hate to and there is a pic on one comment of this person an blink says it is him..now he will not answer the hard questions posted to him only the nice ones..so have you been on the site and read comments?

I noticed that too... also sounds like he deletes some of the hard questions. One of his responses to a hard question was something like "Just read what I posted."

[aproudmom]

I totally agree... on all points!!!

ITA lark has looked into it more than the one reporting it on other sites..thanks lark:thumbup:

[aproudmom]

I noticed that too... also sounds like he deletes some of the hard questions. One of his responses to a hard question was something like "Just read what I posted."

yeah I saw that and will not answer simple questions..:thumbdown:
I don't like going there but wanted to see the comments since lark was working so hard to get all the info she seems to have better info than he does..and I saw it was posted on SM also which he said they are linked together..crazy..

[aproudmom]

One description of the suitcase was that it was waterproof.....also the body may been put in a plastic bag before it was placed in the suitcase....so we have no idea of how much the body had decomposed.

BUT I'd sure like to know if she took the suitcase to the church with her for disposing of her victim....and WHY she wrote that cryptic note and kept talking about her stolen suitcase. She was dead set on tying herself to the crimes.

IIRC she even said it was waterproof to the media

[oodi]

One description of the suitcase was that it was waterproof.....also the body may been put in a plastic bag before it was placed in the suitcase....so we have no idea of how much the body had decomposed.

BUT I'd sure like to know if she took the suitcase to the church with her for disposing of her victim....and WHY she wrote that cryptic note and kept talking about her stolen suitcase. She was dead set on tying herself to the crimes.

I think she wrote the note and talked about the suitcase because she wanted to be caught. What I'm not sure about is why she wanted to be caught.

[KaraokeDiva]

Rape/molestation is pretty much one of the most horrible crimes that can happen to a adult/child. <SNIPPED>
While rape/molestation is horrible..a person can recover from the emotional and physical damage inflicted from those crimes.

A person can NEVER recover from the damage inflicted by murder. Dead is forever. :(

Just wanted to bring a little reality check to the entire disucssion as I have been the victim of rape and molestation....but have learned to live with it. Had I been murdered to cover up those crimes, I could never have recovered.

moo

[meadowlark]

lark did u find anything I went and read some comments as much as I hate to and there is a pic on one comment of this person an blink says it is him..now he will not answer the hard questions posted to him only the nice ones..so have you been on the site and read comments?

no, I have not been over there at all. Maybe I should go look and read. Maybe there is something there that might give me a clue where to look... but that one time I went on that site, my computer froze and my desktop got all messed up and I don't know if that site caused it, but others say they have problems too, so I don't know.

but I will go look over there.

[aproudmom]

no, I have not been over there at all. Maybe I should go look and read. Maybe there is something there that might give me a clue where to look... but that one time I went on that site, my computer froze and my desktop got all messed up and I don't know if that site caused it, but others say they have problems too, so I don't know.

but I will go look over there.

Just look under the comments there are over 100 a lot of people questioning it..but some kiss U know what...

[GentleBreeze]

One description of the suitcase was that it was waterproof.....also the body may been put in a plastic bag before it was placed in the suitcase....so we have no idea of how much the body had decomposed.

BUT I'd sure like to know if she took the suitcase to the church with her for disposing of her victim....and WHY she wrote that cryptic note and kept talking about her stolen suitcase. She was dead set on tying herself to the crimes.

Exactly and imo there are just too may variables that we aren't privy to in order to know the true answer.

I do think it may have been a very mistake for Huckaby to enclose Sandra up in the suitcase and a very good thing for the State. No matter what, it had to protect her some from the environment of being completely submerged in water and nothing else around her.

I just read that not only a big factor is temperature of the water but also how much body fat is on the body. With Sandra being a very lean healthy 45 pound child imo her body fat was less than average. The more body fat the quicker the decomp is.

Also in 10 days the body is still intact although there is swelling due to the decomposition gasses building up.

And bodies which are clothed do not decompose as quickly as ones who are naked.

I am not sure what her motives were when speaking with the media. Maybe she wanted the attention of being right in the center of this very much attention getting case. I thought her comments rather disturbing. She made a point to say if only LE had listened to her they could have found Sandra sooner. As if she wanted to dismiss her own blame for being the very one that put Sandra in that pond dead in the first place but tried to put the blame on their backs.

Did she ever say in the interview "I hope they find the one who did this to Sandra and that justice will be served?" It seemed to me more about 'lets talk about me" mentality.

imo

[aproudmom]

While rape/molestation is horrible..a person can recover from the emotional and physical damage inflicted from those crimes.

A person can NEVER recover from the damage inflicted by murder. Dead is forever. :(

Just wanted to bring a little reality check to the entire disucssion as I have been the victim of rape and molestation....but have learned to live with it. Had I been murdered to cover up those crimes, I could never have recovered.

moo

I just wanted to tell you I am very sorry to hear you went through that and I was never molested but can relate in some way and instead of hating I find it easier to help others and educate on Rape and DV..I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers...

[oodi]

Just look under the comments there are over 100 a lot of people questioning it..but some kiss U know what...

It also sounds like she is back pedalling a bit... now eluding that Timothy J Lawless and MH are not blood relatives. That makes even less sense... unless there was an adoption somewhere, in which case they "technically" wouldn't be blood relatives.

[KaraokeDiva]

I just wanted to tell you I am very sorry to hear you went through that and I was never molested but can relate in some way and instead of hating I find it easier to help others and educate on Rape and DV..I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers...Thx...but I was seriously not looking for sympathy..just wanting to point out that recovering from abuse may be painful, but possible.

Recovering from a murder to cover up a molestation/rape is impossible....

Like I said...dead is dead.

Dead is forever.

Had I been killed to cover the crimes committed against me, I would not have been here to tell the tale, or to become a mother, marry twice, (unsucessfully at least one of those time) etc...

My point is this....rape/molestation/sexual crimes are horrific and color the remaining years....

Killing to cover the crime of rape/molestation leaves no remaining years....................................
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It's just dead.

[aproudmom]

I think she wrote the note and talked about the suitcase because she wanted to be caught. What I'm not sure about is why she wanted to be caught.

I have said the same thing but then again I really think she thought she got away with it her call to the media reminded me so much of C Anthony. like she was reading a script kinda chillin to hear her talk like nothing was wrong..then to hear what she is charged with..but thank goodness she was stupid cause she did not think about the fibers and DNA they can pull from that luggage if she had been smart she would have never put her in the luggage..ugh but glad she did cause she helped in preserving little Sandra's body so she can get JUSTICE..

I still would like to know if that luggage was really ever at the home or if it was in the church or one of the buildings..and if it was at her home then IMO she had plans for the luggage since we know she was not going to spruce up the church..perhaps Sandra did come to her house and she told her she would have to come back and when Sandra saw her outside she started to walk to the house instead of going in her house..IMO she did not drag Sandra in her KIA she lured her in there with something and could have even said I ask your mom she said you can go with me why would she not trust this monster who she knew very well...and I would love to know if they do have her on video from the camera leaving and coming back into the MH park..they have said she was more than likely dead before 911 was every called..why would they say that maybe cause she was stupid enough to drive right by the house and the camera got her..

[aproudmom]

Thx...but I was seriously not looking for sympathy..just wanting to point out that recovering from abuse may be painful, but possible.

Recovering from a murder to cover up a molestation/rape is impossible....

Like I said...dead is dead.

Dead is forever.

Had I been killed to cover the crimes committed against me, I would not have been here to tell the tale, or to become a mother, marry twice, (unsucessfully at least one of those time) etc...

My point is this....rape/molestation/sexual crimes are horrific and color the remaining years....

Killing to cover the crime of rape/molestation leaves no remaining years....................................
............................................
.................................................. ..
..........................................

It's just dead.

oh I know you were not trying to get sympathy but guess I got a heart and think of others and what they have been through..and yes dead is dead..

[aproudmom]

It also sounds like she is back pedalling a bit... now eluding that Timothy J Lawless and MH are not blood relatives. That makes even less sense... unless there was an adoption somewhere, in which case they "technically" wouldn't be blood relatives.

:thumbsup:I know I was laughing at that I think she needs to read her headline..

[aproudmom]

It also sounds like she is back pedalling a bit... now eluding that Timothy J Lawless and MH are not blood relatives. That makes even less sense... unless there was an adoption somewhere, in which case they "technically" wouldn't be blood relatives.

oh and kinda like there is some secret about this arrest for one it is sad to lead people on and she really bashed a comment from someone like she was doing something good even if they were not related..well I really think LE can take care of that they don't need some blogger to do their work for them..and I sure hope the pic she said was this guy is really him cause that is dangerous IMO

[psbperu]

One description of the suitcase was that it was waterproof.....also the body may been put in a plastic bag before it was placed in the suitcase....so we have no idea of how much the body had decomposed.

BUT I'd sure like to know if she took the suitcase to the church with her for disposing of her victim....and WHY she wrote that cryptic note and kept talking about her stolen suitcase. She was dead set on tying herself to the crimes.


Hi Foxglove:

I believe she knows right from wrong & the act of taking the child was premeditated & carefully planned. In my opinion it was not a spur of the moment decision.

The note & talking about the stolen suitcase ergo was a roundabout way of telling LE...look at me!

[aproudmom]

Good post and good thought..I think and hope and pray LE has more video than we have seen..especially since I think I remember they had 2 cameras placed on front of their house..
You know what is makin me sicker than I was already?
LE is not releasing the autopsy because it will show such horrific injuries it will "inflame" the public and it will be so horrible for the family..
I know we will learn of all this eventually but I really dread that day..

they said in a pressor they had hundreds of hours of video they only released those 27 seconds..so if she was dumb once again instead of going around the other way then she had to drive right past Sandra's home and the camera would have picked it up as we know cause we can see Sandra walking across the road...I really think they knew everyone that drove past there in those few hours..as far as what they have I am sure they have a lot or they would not bring those other charges against her I still pray that sweet child was knocked out and knew nothing or we do not end up hearing she was not dead when she was put in that nasty pond...sorry that was almost to much for me to think about...nothing will surprise me in this case..I also think she left again to dump her body I do not think she could do all this in one hour and in broad daylight..but that is just my gut feeling..

[meadowlark]

okay I went and read the blink site. read all the comments on the lawless is a relative stuff.

now as of today they are saying did not say they were blood relatives. so the only other way to be a realtive is by marriage or by adoption.

well timothy's last name is lawless before his mother married gary D lawless. then the kids change their names to Gomes, which their mother marries manuel gomes 5 yrs after she marries Gary D lawless and she stayed married to Gary D lawless for ONLY one month. And married him after the 3 boys were born.

it could be possible Gary d lawless is not their father. but I have still not found Gary D lawless married to timothy john lawless/gomes' mother, to be connected to melissa's lawless family...yet... and I have been digging going back 7 generations, looking at all the sibblings. I am still looking at all the marriages going through those families also. This could take awhile. LOL

but if I am not finding this yet, then this means whoever gave blink the info, must know this family, because I really really know how to dig this stuff up, and it would take someone a LOT of trouble to dig this up unless they already knew something. and when a person starts branching off into the family of every person a sibling married, it is like getting on the phone and know the area code and prefix of a number and dialing the last 4 number at random to find who you are trying to call, when you don't have the number LOL

so all I can say is... I have not hit the right number yet LOL... but I am still dialing away :smile:

now just because the police said there is no relation, does not mean there isn't one, they might not even know it, if it is like a cousin removed to the 8th degree LOL especially if they are not blood relatives but rather the sister of the cousin or the x-husband's fathers step-son's wife... now that would still make someone some sort of relative LOL and if you do that enough times, everyone is related... especially in the central valley of california.

but... it could be closer than that. I will branch off to the basic families and marriage of the siblings, after that, who knows how these poeople might be related. but if they are that far apart, they probably don't even know one another.

I'm not yet convinced there is no connection...reason being, I believe there is a GROUP involved in all of this... I'm still not sure melissa is tied to the group I am looking for, but if she is, no telling what other relatives are involved. so because of this I keep looking, otherwise I would not bother.

[aproudmom]

her text on the way to the PD to media
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=text.jpg

Melissa's handwritten complaints about Joshua Palmer
had never seen these this is a poster on here it is her photobucket she allows us to look at pictures..anyone got a good way to blow it up so you can read it??
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=003-6.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=001-4.jpg

[meadowlark]

Hi Foxglove:

I believe she knows right from wrong & the act of taking the child was premeditated & carefully planned. In my opinion it was not a spur of the moment decision.

The note & talking about the stolen suitcase ergo was a roundabout way of telling LE...look at me!

I agree with you foxglove...on the "look at me"... I have a feeling that melissa has studied up on notorious crime cases. Either she is part of a group of people who do these kinds of things who I believe are tied to many missing persons and unsolved murders, or she has read about some of them, and wanted to be like them.

I have some thoughts about some of the evidence not revealed. It will not supprise me at all when(IF) it comes out, it will be much like some other murders we have read about.

just my personal opinion, but she wanted to taunt those police and she wanted in interject herself right there with them, to "help" them. I believe her misspelling of "suitcase" on the note was a huge clue. I believe where she deposited the body is a huge clue. either she is tied to these same killers or she has been on some of the crime forums.

again just my opinion, but definitely "look at me"

well now everyone is "looking at her" she got her fame. maybe not the way she wanted it, but she has it none the less.

It would not supprise me at all if she were to write cryptic messages out of jail. LOL

[psbperu]

her text on the way to the PD to media
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=text.jpg

Melissa's handwritten complaints about Joshua Palmer
had never seen these this is a poster on here it is her photobucket she allows us to look at pictures..anyone got a good way to blow it up so you can read it??
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=003-6.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=001-4.jpg



Just click on it and it will blow up.


Thanks for the links.

[oodi]

her text on the way to the PD to media
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=text.jpg

Melissa's handwritten complaints about Joshua Palmer
had never seen these this is a poster on here it is her photobucket she allows us to look at pictures..anyone got a good way to blow it up so you can read it??
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=003-6.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=001-4.jpg

In the complaint she wrote about Joshua Palmer... she says "... he was going to kill me and a family friend officer Dan Pasquale."

Isn't Dan Pasquale the same police officer she accused of rape?

[aproudmom]

OK if you look at this you can see where Sandra walked towards her house if she came through there she was on video coming and going Sandras home is #63 MH is #57 right?? 5 doors down so I have a feeling when they started looking they could see if her KIA came past there and what time if she did not go the other way around..that would be why they are saying they are pretty sure she was already dead when 911 was called..I think they may have had a eye on her for some time just let her hang herself plus her trip to the ICU they had cops at her door standing watch..

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=sccanturoute2-2.jpg

shows the cameras on the MH
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=sccamsonhouse.jpg


Sandra path she walked
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scfromsteadfastatwssandrasrouteonvi.jpg

this is how close that church is..
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=002-1.jpg

[meadowlark]

her text on the way to the PD to media
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=text.jpg

Melissa's handwritten complaints about Joshua Palmer
had never seen these this is a poster on here it is her photobucket she allows us to look at pictures..anyone got a good way to blow it up so you can read it??
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=003-6.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=001-4.jpg


I transcribed the first link the best I could, do you see any errors in what I see?


April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my
work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours
Security cameras seem him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to
my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted
home. Incident Report is (available?)

April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone
telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside
and he told me that he was going to make my life
as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill
me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale.
He has been seen by other residents and our park
manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of
the night lurking around my house and the other

[aproudmom]

In the complaint she wrote about Joshua Palmer... she says "... he was going to kill me and a family friend officer Dan Pasquale."

Isn't Dan Pasquale the same police officer she accused of rape?

JP is the ex that she got a RS order against..I have not read it yet not sure what the cops name was did they ever say?this guy she got the order against in 2002 IIRC so what age would she have been?

[aproudmom]

I transcribed the first link the best I could, do you see any errors in what I see?


April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my
work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours
Security cameras seem him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to
my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted
home. Incident Report is (available?)

April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone
telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside
and he told me that he was going to make my life
as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill
me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale.
He has been seen by other residents and our park
manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of
the night lurking around my house and the other

o you rock lark thanks a bunch:thumbup:

[aproudmom]

I transcribed the first link the best I could, do you see any errors in what I see?


April 17 Joshua Palmer arrived at my
work? and Sat outside of it for over 2 1/2 hours
Security cameras seem him and so we called the police
when they arrived he was sitting hiding next to
my Car. He was asked to leave and I was escorted
home. Incident Report is (available?)

April 18 Joshua Palmer called me on my cell phone
telling me he needed to talk to me. So I went outside
and he told me that he was going to make my life
as miserable as ? and that he was going to kill
me and a family friend Officer Dan Pasquale.
He has been seen by other residents and our park
manager numerous amounts of times in the middle of
the night lurking around my house and the other

Mar 27, 2009 ... Dan Pasquale is a detective with the Tracy (Calif

[oodi]

JP is the ex that she got a RS order against..I have not read it yet not sure what the cops name was did they ever say?this guy she got the order against in 2002 IIRC so what age would she have been?

I thought I had read the name of the officer she accused of rape somewhere... same article that said he had been cleared. Obviously, I was all screwed up since that happened in So Cal and Dan Pasquale is with Tracy PD. :blushing:

[aproudmom]

I thought I had read the name of the officer she accused of rape somewhere... same article that said he had been cleared. Obviously, I was all screwed up since that happened in So Cal and Dan Pasquale is with Tracy PD. :blushing:

I never heard the name of the cop so she had a friend cop in Tracy this says Daniel P. from tracy PD..I am sure it is the same one Dan Daniel
http://209.200.238.137//index.php?option=com_comprofiler&task=userProfile&user=105840

[aproudmom]

I thought I had read the name of the officer she accused of rape somewhere... same article that said he had been cleared. Obviously, I was all screwed up since that happened in So Cal and Dan Pasquale is with Tracy PD. :blushing:

I dont get the date this was before she married right that she dated this Palmer and her daughter is 5 so was she living in Tracy that long?
2002 I am pretty sure when she got the PO on this ex B/F or was it after her divorce.then she lived at her parents home after her divorce for awhile..:confused:

[psbperu]

Meadowlark et al.

Thanks for all the hard work in looking up, checking facts & posting on the board.

I don't post as much as I used to but do read just about everything pertaining to this case.

You are all very much appreciated. Won't have a computer for the next 4 days so will have lot of catching up to do. You gals & guys never disappoint.

Keep the home fires burning.:seeya:

[oodi]

I dont get the date this was before she married right that she dated this Palmer and her daughter is 5 so was she living in Tracy that long?
2002 I am pretty sure when she got the PO on this ex B/F or was it after her divorce.then she lived at her parents home after her divorce for awhile..:confused:

I'm not sure on the dates or sequence. I know her father said she had only lived in Tracy for a few months, but there were other things that indicated she had lived there sometime previous.

Maybe we should have a separate thread to refer to for some of this timeline info, rather than having to try to dig it up in the daily threads?

[aproudmom]

I agree with you foxglove...on the "look at me"... I have a feeling that melissa has studied up on notorious crime cases. Either she is part of a group of people who do these kinds of things who I believe are tied to many missing persons and unsolved murders, or she has read about some of them, and wanted to be like them.

I have some thoughts about some of the evidence not revealed. It will not supprise me at all when(IF) it comes out, it will be much like some other murders we have read about.

just my personal opinion, but she wanted to taunt those police and she wanted in interject herself right there with them, to "help" them. I believe her misspelling of "suitcase" on the note was a huge clue. I believe where she deposited the body is a huge clue. either she is tied to these same killers or she has been on some of the crime forums.

again just my opinion, but definitely "look at me"

well now everyone is "looking at her" she got her fame. maybe not the way she wanted it, but she has it none the less.

It would not supprise me at all if she were to write cryptic messages out of jail. LOL

OMG check this one out..therapy what is up with this name it must be popular
http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/

not sure if you found anything else but here is the police log sure you have got it as hard as you was working on it..
http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom

[meadowlark]

o you rock lark thanks a bunch:thumbup:

there is more but that photo is over it.

I though I had those docs somewhere, will look

[aproudmom]

I'm not sure on the dates or sequence. I know her father said she had only lived in Tracy for a few months, but there were other things that indicated she had lived there sometime previous.

Maybe we should have a separate thread to refer to for some of this timeline info, rather than having to try to dig it up in the daily threads?

yeah I think so also..I thought we had one in the links I will see if I can find it in the morning..

[aproudmom]

Meadowlark et al.

Thanks for all the hard work in looking up, checking facts & posting on the board.

I don't post as much as I used to but do read just about everything pertaining to this case.

You are all very much appreciated. Won't have a computer for the next 4 days so will have lot of catching up to do. You gals & guys never disappoint.

Keep the home fires burning.:seeya:

bye see ya soon and I agree lark works really hard to get the right info.

[oodi]

OMG check this one out..therapy what is up with this name it must be popular
http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/

not sure if you found anything else but here is the police log sure you have got it as hard as you was working on it..
http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom

Geez... is someone going to try to claim that that one is related to MH too??? :tongueside:

[meadowlark]

OMG check this one out..therapy what is up with this name it must be popular
http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/timothy-lawless-pedophile-tells-judge-child-porn-is-his-therapy-5/

not sure if you found anything else but here is the police log sure you have got it as hard as you was working on it..
http://www.theunitedreporter.com/pop.php?id=630&jid=3768894&cname=Folsom

thats the one I have in another database. that's the one with the street address attached, that sacramento one left out.:smile:

[aproudmom]

Hi Foxglove:

I believe she knows right from wrong & the act of taking the child was premeditated & carefully planned. In my opinion it was not a spur of the moment decision.

The note & talking about the stolen suitcase ergo was a roundabout way of telling LE...look at me!

I have no doubt she knows right from wrong the luggage and all to me if that luggage was at that home then she had it for some reason now if it was at the church then perhaps she just used it..but if she took it for a reason such as sticking a precious child in it she planned it..

[meadowlark]

I'm dead tired, need to get some sleep,

but yes, melissa has been in tracy a lot more than her father said.

tomorrow I will get the dates etc she was in tracy, I have them all in a file, but just can't keep my eyes open right now.

I'll probably dream the "lawless" name all night and see it scrolling by ugh.

nite all

[aproudmom]

Geez... is someone going to try to claim that that one is related to MH too??? :tongueside:

oh not me just pulled it up and was shocked by why he said what he was doing..there is way to many with that last name don't think we could ever find out..lol..but I was not saying he was related and if he was not arrested for it I would never have posted it just very odd never heard looking at child porn was therapy:sneaky:

[oodi]

I'm dead tired, need to get some sleep,

but yes, melissa has been in tracy a lot more than her father said.

tomorrow I will get the dates etc she was in tracy, I have them all in a file, but just can't keep my eyes open right now.

I'll probably dream the "lawless" name all night and see it scrolling by ugh.

nite all

Nite meadowlark... Lord knows you deserve a good nite's sleep!

[oodi]

oh not me just pulled it up and was shocked by why he said what he was doing..there is way to many with that last name don't think we could ever find out..lol..but I was not saying he was related and if he was not arrested for it I would never have posted it just very odd never heard looking at child porn was therapy:sneaky:

I didn't mean that YOU were trying to say he was related... I was being sarcastic in relation to Blink.

[aproudmom]

I'm dead tired, need to get some sleep,

but yes, melissa has been in tracy a lot more than her father said.

tomorrow I will get the dates etc she was in tracy, I have them all in a file, but just can't keep my eyes open right now.

I'll probably dream the "lawless" name all night and see it scrolling by ugh.

nite all

K nite I am heading there myself..try not to have nightmares thinking of that name..:scared:

[aproudmom]

I didn't mean that YOU were trying to say he was related... I was being sarcastic in relation to Blink.

lol would not surprise me one bit.well off to bed..

[oodi]

lol would not surprise me one bit.well off to bed..


Me too... nite!

[aproudmom]

I didn't mean that YOU were trying to say he was related... I was being sarcastic in relation to Blink.

BTW I think it would be a good idea to have a thread for time lines and who is who so it is a lot easier to find it..guess we will see if everyone would like it that way so it is easier to find..good idea and I agree it would be so much better..

Night oodi and anyone else that is still on...:seeya:

:rose:Justice 4 Sandra

[BobbisAngel]

The Judge's decision to seal the records would relate more to the condition of the body after having been stuffed into a suitcase, left in dirty ditch water for 10 days to decompose, and then subjected to an intensive autopsy I would guess. I don't think the Judge is commenting on anything that might have been done to the body BEFORE being found, but merely commenting on the fact the the public would be very jarred from looking at photos of a very pretty child on that internet who now no doubt looks far far different. Drawing conclusions that this somehow relates to the evidence would be premature IMO...without further comment from the judge.


Autopsy photos are rarely if ever released to the public. I think that the ME probably discusses what was done to Sandra by Melissa because that would have been a part of doing the autopsy. I can't see that the condition of her body when found because of being in the suitcase and in the water would cause a public uprising but publishing what was done to that beautiful little girl's body by Melissa sure could. I have an idea that Melissa caused a lot of damage with whatever object or objects that she used.

[aproudmom]

Good morning everyone..hope all slept well last night:smile:
I see some of you are also on Tori's thread another sad story I pray it does not end like sweet Sandra's case...:crying: the videos of these kids are so hard to watch one minute they are on camera the next minute they are gone..in broad daylight

[dinojen]

Morning people... got latte's for you ... just going to have to nuke them...lol.. for you late risers.

Was playing around this morning and thinking about this Joshua Palmer so I ran a criminal check on him... here's what I came up with.. I figure if MH was born in 1981 then this guy has to be around that age.. so here are the Joshua Palmer's that come up...

Results for 'PALMER,JOSHUA' on 30 database(s) Searched by Name
Name Date Of Birth Source
PALMER,JOSHUA n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA B Jul 9 1980 CA San Bernardino Criminal [Prior to 2001]
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA JAMES n/a CA San Bernardino Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA K n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA RAY Nov 6 1982 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA RAY Nov 6 1982 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA W 1982 CA San Bernardino Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA WILLIAM 1982 CA San Bernardino Criminal


Going to see what else I can find out... BRB

[aproudmom]

Autopsy photos are rarely if ever released to the public. I think that the ME probably discusses what was done to Sandra by Melissa because that would have been a part of doing the autopsy. I can't see that the condition of her body when found because of being in the suitcase and in the water would cause a public uprising but publishing what was done to that beautiful little girl's body by Melissa sure could. I have an idea that Melissa caused a lot of damage with whatever object or objects that she used.

you are correct they do not release the photos thank goodness the only state that I do know did release them was FL but they have the sunshine law everything is public but not anymore they can no longer get photos Governor Bush help in getting it changed in 2001 the media took it all the way to the supreme courts which shows you just how bad they will go to get blood money thanks to a lot of people including fans Dale E. was never allowed to be posted on some scumbags website..I will never forget looking at this site in 2001 and by accident I saw Little Jonbenet Ramsey's photos not sure if the sick site is even still up don't care to know just thank god it is not so easy to get photos of lost loved ones anymore.I for one never want to see any child's photos a jury will have that job which I would never want either... :cursing:

You may want to check your state and see the laws..I learned alot from Terri Shivo and Dale E. cases

[aproudmom]

Morning people... got latte's for you ... just going to have to nuke them...lol.. for you late risers.

Was playing around this morning and thinking about this Joshua Palmer so I ran a criminal check on him... here's what I came up with.. I figure if MH was born in 1981 then this guy has to be around that age.. so here are the Joshua Palmer's that come up...

Results for 'PALMER,JOSHUA' on 30 database(s) Searched by Name
Name Date Of Birth Source
PALMER,JOSHUA n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA B Jul 9 1980 CA San Bernardino Criminal [Prior to 2001]
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA JAMES n/a CA San Bernardino Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA K n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY Jun 5 1975 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA KENNY n/a CA San Diego Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA RAY Nov 6 1982 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA RAY Nov 6 1982 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA W 1982 CA San Bernardino Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA WILLIAM 1982 CA San Bernardino Criminal


Going to see what else I can find out... BRB

Well well they did say he had a record..guess he does

[dinojen]

Okay from what I can figure out.. MH graduated in So. CA , Orange County.. in 1999.. She hopped back and forth from So. CA and No. CA from that time till she moved to northern CA around 2002.. that's when she met Palmer.. so he has to be from the local area.. 2003 she met and married Johnny Huckaby...2004 she had Madison...2005 she divorced Huckaby and returned to So. CA... 2006 she returned to No. CA to her grandparents home.

Just trying to figure out which Palmer it is.. (not that he has anything to do with the crimes MH is accused of.. just curious what kind of guy he is because I'm nosey)

[dinojen]

Well well they did say he had a record..guess he does

Morning Mom...brought you your latte... check the mikey...:wink:


Yeah... just trying to figure out which one it is...:confused:

[aproudmom]

OK she was in Tracy in 2002 so her friend cop was not the same one she said raped her I guess

The paper trail of her problems begins in 2002, when Melissa Lawless was single and working as a cashier at a Food 4 Less store in Tracy.

Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003,
The pair moved south to Fontana, but the marriage quickly soured,

by May 2004.Melissa took her daughter to mother Judy Lawless' Cypress home and separated from Johnny Huckaby in August 2004,

On Sept. 9, 2005, an Orange County family court judge dissolved the couple's marriage,

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense.

Melissa came to Tracy eight months ago2008[/B]

November 2008, Melissa was in court again

Ok so the only thing I do not know is did she date JP before her marriage I am pretty sure she did..it was 2002 IIRC and she was in Tracy at that time.. she is 28 right? so she was 21 and she reported she was raped at 18 IIRC
http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607[/url]

[Ice Cycle]

Okay from what I can figure out.. MH graduated in So. CA , Orange County.. in 1999.. She hopped back and forth from So. CA and No. CA from that time till she moved to northern CA around 2002.. that's when she met Palmer.. so he has to be from the local area.. 2003 she met and married Johnny Huckaby...2004 she had Madison...2005 she divorced Huckaby and returned to So. CA... 2006 she returned to No. CA to her grandparents home.

Just trying to figure out which Palmer it is.. (not that he has anything to do with the crimes MH is accused of.. just curious what kind of guy he is because I'm nosey)

G Morning All,

Just reading up on all the weekend posts and wondering about the part I have bold as I remember hearing that she was there in 2006 but then another time I heard she had only been there for so many months (less than a year), just wondering if she left and then came back to her G Parents home.

[dinojen]

G Morning All,

Just reading up on all the weekend posts and wondering about the part I have bold as I remember hearing that she was there in 2006 but then another time I heard she had only been there for so many months (less than a year), just wondering if she left and then came back to her G Parents home.

What I read just this morning when I was trying to figure out when she met this Palmer guy was when she got in trouble with the petty theft charges in So. CA.. after that she returned to No. CA to her grandparents home and that was in 2006.. so now whether she bounced back and forth again we don't know... some reports say she has only been in Tracy for 8 months.. well then where was she from say 2007 till now.

[aproudmom]

Morning Mom...brought you your latte... check the mikey...:wink:


Yeah... just trying to figure out which one it is...:confused:

Oh well what are the ages of them..if it was 2002..did you see the letter she wrote we were talking about last night about the PO she got against him?

[dinojen]

Damn this woman goes back and forth alot...

She was in La Palma in 2007.. that is where she lived during the house fires... she is suspect in...

The Register reported that the 28-year-old Huckaby was well-liked while attending Brea Olinda High School, between 1995-99.

Her troubling times seemed to begin around May 2003, when she married John Huckaby. She filed for bankruptcy, had a daughter four months after the marriage and was divorced in September 2005.

In 2006, Huckaby was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County.

While she had gone back and forth between Tracy, where her grandparents live, she moved to that community a year ago.

So that must mean she moved back to Tracy in 2008..

In November she was arrested and charged with burglary and petty theft from a store in San Joaquin County. She pleaded no contest in January to petty theft, placed on probation and also required to take part in a county mental- health program for a year.

A judge in Orange County on Tuesday ordered all parties, including law enforcement, to keep quiet about any cases regarding Huckaby.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/Melissa_Huckaby_of_Interest_in_OC_Arsons_20090422

[aproudmom]

What I read just this morning when I was trying to figure out when she met this Palmer guy was when she got in trouble with the petty theft charges in So. CA.. after that she returned to No. CA to her grandparents home and that was in 2006.. so now whether she bounced back and forth again we don't know... some reports say she has only been in Tracy for 8 months.. well then where was she from say 2007 till now.

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense

She told a friend via e-mail in 2007 that she left the medical coding business because it didn't pay enough and had become a party coordinator and that everything was going well.:confused:

[dinojen]

Oh well what are the ages of them..if it was 2002..did you see the letter she wrote we were talking about last night about the PO she got against him?

California Criminal
Results for 'PALMER,JOSHUA D' on 30 database(s) Searched by Name
Name Date Of Birth Source
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL Sep 25 1977 CA Orange Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DANIEL n/a CA Ventura Criminal
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]
PALMER,JOSHUA DAVID n/a CA Fresno Criminal [Aug. 2005 - Present]


MH was born in 81....

[aproudmom]

2002, when Melissa Lawless was single and working as a cashier at a Food 4 Less store in Tracy
age 21

By spring 2003 she had gone on maternity leave
age 22

By the age of 22/23 she had to file bankruptcy very young for so much debt and not talking about the medical bills

Deep in debt from unspecified medical bills and charge cards, she owed more than $26,000 to 23 creditors. She claimed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry, and had just $200 in a checking account, the records show.

Among her largest debts was to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, which sued her in 2002 for more than $10,000.

She owed another $5,000 from ambulance rides, the court records show, and more than $3,000 to J.C. Penney Co. and Sears.

she filed before she was ever married so it was not any of his debt..

[tammym]

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense

She told a friend via e-mail in 2007 that she left the medical coding business because it didn't pay enough and had become a party coordinator and that everything was going well.:confused:
Party cooddinator...Is that anything like an 'event planner' :wink:

[dinojen]

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense

She told a friend via e-mail in 2007 that she left the medical coding business because it didn't pay enough and had become a party coordinator and that everything was going well.:confused:


2007 was the year she lived in La Palma and the house fires happened.. so must of been mid 2008 she moved back to the central valley.

I'm figuring if she met this Palmer before Huckaby (whom she met in the Tracy area.. then she must of met Palmer there also...) but I could be wrong.. wonder why he isn't speaking out about her... he might not have to rosy of a background either...lol...

[dinojen]

Party cooddinator...Is that anything like an 'event planner' :wink:

You can say that again... seems she planned a few events or suspected of planning a few events... fires, murder... this woman has issues.. can't believe no one noticed anything. But then with all the bouncing around she has done.. geesh.. she's been up and down I-5 more in the 2000 decade than I have my whole life.. and I'm a hell of a lot older than MH:unsure:

[tammym]

You can say that again... seems she planned a few events or suspected of planning a few events... fires, murder... this woman has issues.. can't believe no one noticed anything. But then with all the bouncing around she has done.. geesh.. she's been up and down I-5 more in the 2000 decade than I have my whole life.. and I'm a hell of a lot older than MH:unsure:
lol yes just like CaseyA, that's where my mind went..

I see all you guys have posted some new stuff, will have to read back..

[Ice Cycle]

What I read just this morning when I was trying to figure out when she met this Palmer guy was when she got in trouble with the petty theft charges in So. CA.. after that she returned to No. CA to her grandparents home and that was in 2006.. so now whether she bounced back and forth again we don't know... some reports say she has only been in Tracy for 8 months.. well then where was she from say 2007 till now.

Yeah I know that is what I was talking about I had read the 2 different reports also. I wonder if her parents suggested she go to stay with the G Parents after she was charged in 2006 but then she left again. What I am confused about is the 2nd charge, that I believe was at a Target in Tracy or was that a pending past charge?

[dinojen]

Yeah I know that is what I was talking about I had read the 2 different reports also. I wonder if her parents suggested she go to stay with the G Parents after she was charged in 2006 but then she left again. What I am confused about is the 2nd charge, that I believe was at a Target in Tracy or was that a pending past charge?

One charge was from So. CA and the other was from petty theft from Target in the Tracy area in Nov. of 2008. 2007 she was living in that house in La Palma when the suspicious house fires happened.

[dinojen]

Found this on her criminal record...

This one was cited in 2005

CA Orange Criminal Detail
Name
HUCKABY,MELISSA CHANTEL Other Name Used
DOB
Feb 23 1981 Case Number
CY308933
Originating Filing Date
Jul 1 2005 Current Charging Document
Citation Current Charging Doc. File Date
Jul 13 2005 Disposition Date
Oct 26 2005


This one in 2007

CA Orange Criminal Detail
Name
HUCKABY,MELISSA CHANTEL Other Name Used
DOB
Feb 23 1981 Case Number
HB2904336
Originating Filing Date
Feb 23 2007 Current Charging Document
Citation Current Charging Doc. File Date
Mar 13 2007 Disposition Date
Aug 10 2007

Have no clue what the one from 2005 is for.. the case numbers are different..

[dinojen]

This one is under Melissa C Lawless...but it appears to be a vehicle code violation from Merced area.

CA Merced Cleared Detail
Name
LAWLESS,MELISSA C Docket Number
5-573019 Citation Number
43031QR Bail Amount
***MAND.APPEAR***
Bail - PC Amount
***MAND.APPEAR*** First Violation
VC022356B Violation Count
01 F
9
Case Disposition
069 Conviction Date
Apr 30 2002

Case is also cleared so must be a traffic ticket I guess.. but mandatory appearance?

[dinojen]

WOW the internet has a wealth of info.. that first one I posted..
Case # CY308933

Was dismissed.. was for Red or stop, vehicles stop at limit line or X-walk.. this was dismissed in July 2005.

The second one.. Case # HB2904336

LMBO.. this one is for not stopping at a stop sign also... got the ticket in Feb. 2007 plead guilty.. so we know where she was in 2007..as late as August.

Man all that and it was only traffic citations.. :angry: Wonder why here petty thefts don't show up...

[oodi]

Morning everyone!

Here is the case file for MH's divorce from John Huckaby:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

It says "Disso Without Children" and was filed 1-19-2005 :confused:

What year was Madison born?

[Ice Cycle]

WOW the internet has a wealth of info.. that first one I posted..
Case # CY308933

Was dismissed.. was for Red or stop, vehicles stop at limit line or X-walk.. this was dismissed in July 2005.

The second one.. Case # HB2904336

LMBO.. this one is for not stopping at a stop sign also... got the ticket in Feb. 2007 plead guilty.. so we know where she was in 2007..as late as August.

Man all that and it was only traffic citations.. :angry: Wonder why here petty thefts don't show up...

I doubt very seriously if the reason she went to stay with her G Parents the last time was due to their "failing health. For one it is very unlikely that she would be able to of got any type of decent job with the criminal background so I would imagine it was decided they would put her in the position as SS teacher. Her lack of responsibility is evident, she was 28 years old with a 5 year old and without any effort of college courses, training and little job experience. I think it is likley that she was the problem child of the family and bet their is a good chance their is a juvenile record also.

[dinojen]

Morning everyone!

Here is the case file for MH's divorce from John Huckaby:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

It says "Disso Without Children" and was filed 1-19-2005 :confused:

What year was Madison born?

Weird... well we know Madison I believe was born in summer of 2003 same year she and Johnny Huckaby were married...

Even if she got sole custody.. would you not think the child would be mentioned...:confused:

[oodi]

Weird... well we know Madison I believe was born in summer of 2003 same year she and Johnny Huckaby were married...

Even if she got sole custody.. would you not think the child would be mentioned...:confused:


It says the Department of Child Support Services became involved on 8-22-2006. But it still seems weird that the "type" was without children. Unless... one of them claimed he wasn't the father. Since she was the petitioner, I wonder if she made that claim.

[dinojen]

Morning everyone!

Here is the case file for MH's divorce from John Huckaby:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

It says "Disso Without Children" and was filed 1-19-2005 :confused:

What year was Madison born?


Well they sure are aware of Madison there are almost three pages of child support orders...and other stuff...

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

[dinojen]

It says the Department of Child Support Services became involved on 8-22-2006. But it still seems weird that the "type" was without children. Unless... one of them claimed he wasn't the father. Since she was the petitioner, I wonder if she made that claim.

Looks like the dissolution was final in June 24,2005.. then..she started going for child support like you said... also shows him asking for modifications..

Did you also notice this one for NEXT MONTH...

05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE MODIFICATION WALTER POSEY L62

Check out the date!

John Huckaby filed on APRIL 20th.. OSC Modification and then there is another entry Declaration Re Notice also filed on the 20th.. what the heck is that all about?

Never had to deal with child support issues with my ex thank god.. actually we are good friends.. lol... just two stupid young kids that thought we knew what we were doing..:rolleyes: Should of listened to Mom...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not me... LOL.. at least we are all good friends...

Back on topic.. I digressed:tonguewag:

[oodi]

Looks like the dissolution was final in June 24,2005.. then..she started going for child support like you said... also shows him asking for modifications..

Did you also notice this one for NEXT MONTH...

05/18/2009 08:45:00 OSC RE MODIFICATION WALTER POSEY L62

Check out the date!

John Huckaby filed on APRIL 20th.. OSC Modification and then there is another entry Declaration Re Notice also filed on the 20th.. what the heck is that all about?

Never had to deal with child support issues with my ex thank god.. actually we are good friends.. lol... just two stupid young kids that thought we knew what we were doing..:rolleyes: Should of listened to Mom...but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not me... LOL.. at least we are all good friends...

Back on topic.. I digressed:tonguewag:


I noticed that... my guess is that John is seeking custody. I don't know how child support/custody works either. I'm guessing that since Orange County initially handled it, the case stays there. What a PITA since neither of the parties live there, and he is several states away.

Your ex may not have been good hubby material for you, but it sounds like he is good friend material... that's a plus! So you weren't completely wrong. LOL

[dinojen]

Found out a OSC Moderation is a request for change of child support to pay... but he isn't paying any so...?

Guess that part is TBD also.

I'm still thinking MH's mom Judy has Madison in LA with her.. to keep her away from all the mess... we haven't heard a mention of her since she left with Madison.

[aproudmom]

Party cooddinator...Is that anything like an 'event planner' :wink:

:thumbsup:sounds kinda like Monster-mom

[aproudmom]

One charge was from So. CA and the other was from petty theft from Target in the Tracy area in Nov. of 2008. 2007 she was living in that house in La Palma when the suspicious house fires happened.

:scared:not the scary house with the lovely landlord:wink:

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone!

Here is the case file for MH's divorce from John Huckaby:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

It says "Disso Without Children" and was filed 1-19-2005 :confused:

What year was Madison born?

were they married when she had Madison if not then you have to go and get a paper from the courthouse here to name the father if your not married when the child is born so it can be on the BC.

[dinojen]

:scared:not the scary house with the lovely landlord:wink:

Yeah the fruitcake landlord that only pemitted Tide detergent to be used.. can you imagine what it would of been like to live in that house.. geesh.. you have MH... The Tide Lady and god knows who else...

[aproudmom]

Weird... well we know Madison I believe was born in summer of 2003 same year she and Johnny Huckaby were married...

Even if she got sole custody.. would you not think the child would be mentioned...:confused:

By spring 2003 she had gone on maternity leave
Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003, four months before giving birth to Madison Huckaby in San Joaquin County, according to court documents.The pair moved south to Fontana, but the marriage quickly soured, Melissa and her daughter moving out of their apartment by May 2004.

ok so this makes no since they were married why was there not children listed in the divorce??

[dinojen]

Well obviously JH believes Madison is his daughter or he wouldn't be filing modification requests on his child support.

Got me.. why it is listed like that on the divorce petition.

[Brattnt]

Have any of y'all heard of this guy, Timothy John Lawless?...He was arrested on 04/16/09 in Folsum CA for 10 counts of Lewd and Lacivious behavior W/child under the age of 14...His bail is 1,000,000....Link to the info..Post #184...

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=586650#post586650

[aproudmom]

Found out a OSC Moderation is a request for change of child support to pay... but he isn't paying any so...?

Guess that part is TBD also.

I'm still thinking MH's mom Judy has Madison in LA with her.. to keep her away from all the mess... we haven't heard a mention of her since she left with Madison.

I get one of those every year even though my oldest sons father whom I was not married to has not paid but 100 dollars in almost 19yrs..if he was not paying before why waste my time in going in for some modification...he could also be asking for his support to be lowered even though he has not paid it or to make arrangement to pay the back support how much does he owe in back support anyone know

[dinojen]

I get one of those every year even though my oldest sons father whom I was not married to has not paid but 100 dollars in almost 19yrs..if he was not paying before why waste my time in going in for some modification...he could also be asking for his support to be lowered even though he has not paid it or to make arrangement to pay the back support how much does he owe in back support anyone know

Just googled Orange County courts.. found this...

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl


But I don't understand the Req. for Dismissal in Sept. of 06.

[aproudmom]

Until the experts are done sifting through her life, almost everybody has a theory.

Oakland attorney Daniel Horowitz says it's Munchausen syndrome, the name of a disorder for people who hurt themselves to gain attention.

"You can translate it into, 'I need lots of attention. I need to be treated like a baby,' " he said.


Forensic psychologist Paul S.D. Berg, who has watched reports of Huckaby's case, concluded that Huckaby suffers from borderline personality disorder.

This is characterized by people who often have tumultuous personal relationships. Unlike most people's response to stress, borderline personalty types hurt themselves or others. They turn inward and mutilate themselves or lash out to hurt others.

"They break down and can't handle it and act out in extraordinary ways," Berg said. "Instead of killing Cantu, she could have cut herself up."

[oodi]

Just googled Orange County courts.. found this...

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl


But I don't understand the Req. for Dismissal in Sept. of 06.

All I'm getting when I click on your link is the case search page. :confused:

[dinojen]

Watched a movie yesterday.. with Angie Harmon... she played a sweet loving mom who was a PSYCHO... omg... she was horrible. One minute played the loving pancake making Mom for breakfast then she was drugging this little boy and scrubbing his back with oven cleaner... I was like :scared: Can't think of the name of the dang movie.. Oh the name of the movie was The Glass House... really really creepy.

They shot her in the end...:bored:


Like her better in L&O

[dinojen]

All I'm getting when I click on your link is the case search page. :confused:

Try clicking on the link and scroll down the page if you still can't get it I will copy and paste it..:wink:

[aproudmom]

Just googled Orange County courts.. found this...

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl


But I don't understand the Req. for Dismissal in Sept. of 06.

Sorry watching Nascar..umm when I click on it do I have to put a name or case # in

the req for dismissal is for what child support?

[dinojen]

Case Summary
Case Number Title Filing Date Category Type
05FL102731 CO OF ORANGE V HUCKABY 04/18/2005 DEPT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES PATERNITY - DA
This Case Has No Assigned Judicial Officer.


Participants
Results 1 - 3 of 3000000000000<<Previous 1
No Name Type Assoc Start Date
1 COUNTY OF ORANGE PLAINTIFF 04/18/2005
2 JOHN J. HUCKABY DEFENDANT 04/18/2005
3 DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR PLTF/PET 1 04/18/2005

Hearings
<<Previous
Date Time Description Judge Dept

Register of Actions
Results 1 - 2 of 2000000000000<<Previous 1
Docket Code Filing Date Filing Party
REQ FOR DISMISSAL-FULL W/O PRJ 09/13/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
SUMM & CPL RE PAR OBLIGATIONS 04/18/2005 COUNTY OF ORANGE

[dinojen]

Sorry watching Nascar..umm when I click on it do I have to put a name or case # in

the req for dismissal is for what child support?

LMBO... have Nascar on too... OUCH.. BIG TIME...:scared:

All you have to do to use that website is type in his name and it should come up.. go to online access..then family law... accept... type in his name and it comes up... you can do the same thing for Melissa..

[aproudmom]

Just googled Orange County courts.. found this...

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

But I don't understand the Req. for Dismissal in Sept. of 06.

She served time in jail in 06:confused:

The judge ruled there was evidence that Johnny Huckaby's visits be supervised on allegations of: "abduction of child(ren)," domestic violence and alcohol abuse. The judge ordered Johnny Huckaby, who was unemployed, to pay $422 a month in child support.

The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that Johnny lived recently in Topeka, Kan., and Melissa Huckaby made numerous attempts to collect child support from her ex-husband as recently as February, according to Shawnee County court records.

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense.

Melissa's relatives have said the divorce caused mental issues for her.

I read he told GMA he had not seen MH for 3yrs so did he even see Madison at all

[dinojen]

She served time in jail in 06:confused:

The judge ruled there was evidence that Johnny Huckaby's visits be supervised on allegations of: "abduction of child(ren)," domestic violence and alcohol abuse. The judge ordered Johnny Huckaby, who was unemployed, to pay $422 a month in child support.

The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that Johnny lived recently in Topeka, Kan., and Melissa Huckaby made numerous attempts to collect child support from her ex-husband as recently as February, according to Shawnee County court records.

In September 2006, she was convicted of petty theft in Los Angeles County and served time for the offense.

Melissa's relatives have said the divorce caused mental issues for her.

I read he told GMA he had not seen MH for 3yrs so did he even see Madison at all

Petty theft probably spent the night in jail if that... I haven't found anywhere that she was jailed... but then I can't find anything in the system either of that petty theft charge..

Did find out the divorce was granted on 9-9-2005

The Petition was filed on 01/19/2005
See the hearing section below for your next scheduled hearing date.
A judgment for this case was entered on 09/09/2005
The divorce has been granted. Please refer to the file for the effective date of the divorce.

[aproudmom]

LMBO... have Nascar on too... OUCH.. BIG TIME...:scared:

All you have to do to use that website is type in his name and it should come up.. go to online access..then family law... accept... type in his name and it comes up... you can do the same thing for Melissa..

Did you see the big one?
K I will check it out...

[aproudmom]

Petty theft probably spent the night in jail if that... I haven't found anywhere that she was jailed... but then I can't find anything in the system either of that petty theft charge..

Did find out the divorce was granted on 9-9-2005

The Petition was filed on 01/19/2005
See the hearing section below for your next scheduled hearing date.
A judgment for this case was entered on 09/09/2005
The divorce has been granted. Please refer to the file for the effective date of the divorce.

looking at it right now..ok this stuff I do not understand at all
https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

so he has filed motions this month then?this makes no since to me looks nothing like stuff I ever got..I know the
Mod is normal but not sure why he would be the filing party...usually it is to see if one of the parents are making more money or less so the support can be reset..I have hers pulled up so she filed
PETITION-DISSOLUTION 01/19/2005 how long o you have to wait in that state here it is 3 months from the time you file for divorce then you have a hearing set up...

DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009
NASCAR and DIVORCES I pick nascar..lol..

[sunstar]

I'm dead tired, need to get some sleep,

but yes, melissa has been in tracy a lot more than her father said.

tomorrow I will get the dates etc she was in tracy, I have them all in a file, but just can't keep my eyes open right now.

I'll probably dream the "lawless" name all night and see it scrolling by ugh.

nite all

Many thanks for your research, especially on Timothy L. :smile: I think he is somehow connected to MLH, maybe like suggested, not a blood relative but through someone in the family's marriage. MOO

[sunstar]

Party cooddinator...Is that anything like an 'event planner' :wink:

I thought the same thing. It seems she has a vivid imagination, doesn't it? :smile:

[aproudmom]

Petty theft probably spent the night in jail if that... I haven't found anywhere that she was jailed... but then I can't find anything in the system either of that petty theft charge..

Did find out the divorce was granted on 9-9-2005

The Petition was filed on 01/19/2005
See the hearing section below for your next scheduled hearing date.
A judgment for this case was entered on 09/09/2005
The divorce has been granted. Please refer to the file for the effective date of the divorce.

This is what I think she filed 01/19/2005 and it was granted on 9-9-2005 that is 8 months she had several hearings before the divorce was granted one a new judge was even requested which I did that also but it delays the divorce

What is driving me nuts is it says DISSO WITHOUT CHILD:confused:

ok I'm going to scream...awwwwww:biggrin:

[dinojen]

looking at it right now..ok this stuff I do not understand at all
https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05D000448&src=case_src_dtl

so he has filed motions this month then?this makes no since to me looks nothing like stuff I ever got..I know the
Mod is normal but not sure why he would be the filing party...usually it is to see if one of the parents are making more money or less so the support can be reset..I have hers pulled up so she filed
PETITION-DISSOLUTION 01/19/2005 how long o you have to wait in that state here it is 3 months from the time you file for divorce then you have a hearing set up...

DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009
NASCAR and DIVORCES I pick nascar..lol..

Six months in CA before your divorce is final... theirs was final 9/05

I can kind of understand the modification.. (well sort of.. being the dude hasn't paid in how many years)... maybe the courts saw him on tv and went after him again...:biggrin:

People both women and men that don't pay their support really tick me off... just one thing that really bugs me.. Here in CA if you owe back child support and you have a refund coming.. it goes towards your child support owed.. both Fed and State... and don't think about winning the lottery... it comes out of there too...

[aproudmom]

Six months in CA before your divorce is final... theirs was final 9/05

I can kind of understand the modification.. (well sort of.. being the dude hasn't paid in how many years)... maybe the courts saw him on tv and went after him again...:biggrin:

People both women and men that don't pay their support really tick me off... just one thing that really bugs me.. Here in CA if you owe back child support and you have a refund coming.. it goes towards your child support owed.. both Fed and State... and don't think about winning the lottery... it comes out of there too...

wow 6 months K and the mod is very common for one I was ordered to pay insurance and my oldest father was order to pay the min per month and have not seen more than 100 buck in 19yrs I don't want it but still get a Mod every year kinda a routine thing..but the new motions he is the one filing them not her or the court or her family...ok I dont understand all this stuff that is why I got a lawyer for my divorce..wonder why they are listed on there did she have troubles or did he and they stepped in I dont know how that works never had to fight for my kidos..
DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR INTERVENOR 3 08/22/2006

Filing Party
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY

[aproudmom]

wow 6 months K and the mod is very common for one I was ordered to pay insurance and my oldest father was order to pay the min per month and have not seen more than 100 buck in 19yrs I don't want it but still get a Mod every year kinda a routine thing..but the new motions he is the one filing them not her or the court or her family...ok I dont understand all this stuff that is why I got a lawyer for my divorce..wonder why they are listed on there did she have troubles or did he and they stepped in I dont know how that works never had to fight for my kidos..
DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT SERVICES ATTORNEY FOR INTERVENOR 3 08/22/2006

Filing Party
DECLARATION RE NOTICE 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY
OSC - MODIFICATION 04/20/2009 JOHN HUCKABY

OK feel stupid just seen it said child support service attorney,.thought it was CPS..duh SORRY

[dinojen]

OK feel stupid just seen it said child support service attorney,.thought it was CPS..duh SORRY

Not DUH.. you silly...just been reading too much and need another latte...:tonguewag:

I think the way it happens is if you go to the Child Support System.. they file the legal paperwork not you, so all the court documentation would show them going after the non payee not the mother or father.. whoever isn't getting paid support.. because once you are in the system the money you have to pay goes to them they in turn pay the mother.. at least that's how they do it here..that way they know if you are paying or not....:wink:

[aproudmom]

Six months in CA before your divorce is final... theirs was final 9/05

I can kind of understand the modification.. (well sort of.. being the dude hasn't paid in how many years)... maybe the courts saw him on tv and went after him again...:biggrin:

People both women and men that don't pay their support really tick me off... just one thing that really bugs me.. Here in CA if you owe back child support and you have a refund coming.. it goes towards your child support owed.. both Fed and State... and don't think about winning the lottery... it comes out of there too...

It angers me to but was not worth putting my son in danger with a drunk/druggie women beater..and my other sons father we get along for our child we don't fight we pay half and half so I sure hope her allegations against him are true even though I think it is wrong not to support your child but if he had the money he should have fought it and seen his child more..he said he had not even seen MH in 3yrs..and where is he from? here they also take the tax refund but some are very smart they work under the table for cash and you cant do a darn thing about it...

[oodi]

Six months in CA before your divorce is final... theirs was final 9/05

I can kind of understand the modification.. (well sort of.. being the dude hasn't paid in how many years)... maybe the courts saw him on tv and went after him again...:biggrin:

People both women and men that don't pay their support really tick me off... just one thing that really bugs me.. Here in CA if you owe back child support and you have a refund coming.. it goes towards your child support owed.. both Fed and State... and don't think about winning the lottery... it comes out of there too...

I don't think the court went after him... it says he is the one that filed for it on 4-20-09. I also don't get this one for the child support:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

It was dismissed. Does that mean he didn't have to pay child support?

[aproudmom]

Not DUH.. you silly...just been reading too much and need another latte...:tonguewag:

I think the way it happens is if you go to the Child Support System.. they file the legal paperwork not you, so all the court documentation would show them going after the non payee not the mother or father.. whoever isn't getting paid support.. because once you are in the system the money you have to pay goes to them they in turn pay the mother.. at least that's how they do it here..that way they know if you are paying or not....:wink:

the problem is I have one eye on the race and one on the computer..lol..but no this is driving me nuts what does this mean I googled it and read some but really does not make since to me since Madison was born already..so what is this 05D000448 HUCKABY V HUCKABY 01/19/2005 DISSO WITHOUT CHILDREN DISSO WITHOUT CHILD

also I got to thinking if she was on any assistance from the state they get so much of the support so they would want him to be paying..so sure that is why that is on there..they can put liens on cars houses anything they own but once again some are smart they put it in others names so the Child support Div. can not put a hold on selling anything...

[dinojen]

I don't think the court went after him... it says he is the one that filed for it on 4-20-09. I also don't get this one for the child support:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

It was dismissed. Does that mean he didn't have to pay child support?

The way I read it is he filed a request for modification of child support, that being the amount the state has said he is suppose he wants to change.

I'm not sure what the dismissal is.. I can't believe the state would cancel his child support.. it might mean the dismissed his request.. but I honestly don't know what the dismissal is. But he is requesting a modification of whatever orders there are against him.

[Riverwalk!]

I find this rather disturbing. Where are these foster children now and when did this take place and was Melissa there?

http://rss.msnbc.msn.com/id/30393210/

Huckaby's great-uncle, Arthur Harris, said her alleged acts are out of character. He also said Connie Lawless, Huckaby's grandmother, takes in foster children and never spanks them.

[dinojen]

I find this rather disturbing. Where are these foster children now and when did this take place and was Melissa there?

http://rss.msnbc.msn.com/id/30393210/

Huckaby's great-uncle, Arthur Harris, said her alleged acts are out of character. He also said Connie Lawless, Huckaby's grandmother, takes in foster children and never spanks them.


I read that the other day too.. thought that was odd especially at their age and his health.. (supposedly he isn't well) so maybe they meant in the past they did this. Besides their mobile home can't be that big with three adults and a child already living there:confused:

[aproudmom]

I don't think the court went after him... it says he is the one that filed for it on 4-20-09. I also don't get this one for the child support:

https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

It was dismissed. Does that mean he didn't have to pay child support?

it is all driving me nutty..if it says dismissed you would think so..

Did we every find out when she dated Josh P?

[oodi]

The way I read it is he filed a request for modification of child support, that being the amount the state has said he is suppose he wants to change.

I'm not sure what the dismissal is.. I can't believe the state would cancel his child support.. it might mean the dismissed his request.. but I honestly don't know what the dismissal is. But he is requesting a modification of whatever orders there are against him.

I can't believe the state would cancel his child support either... especially if she was receiving some sort of assistance. The modification of child support would make sense if he is trying to get custody. He wouldn't need to pay child support if he has sole custody. But I'm with aproudmom... the Disso Without Children still doesn't add up. We need a CA Family Law atty to translate all this. LOL

[aproudmom]

OK I see DNA was checked so the filing party is COUNTY OF ORANGE PLAINTIFF 04/18/2005
PATERNITY - DA


https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

REQ FOR DISMISSAL-FULL W/O PRJ 09/13/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
SUMM & CPL RE PAR OBLIGATIONS 04/18/2005 COUNTY OF ORANGE

now if I can figure out what this is..do we not have a legal eagle over here..:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

Absolutely, Psbperu. She spoke with the reporter, wrote notes, and kept on until TAG you're it !!
I too think there was huge Malice of forethought and scheming. She defintely knew what she was doing and had done at least a part of it previously, how many times, we don't know.

:thumbsup:love the tag your it..ITA

[Firefly]

Autopsy photos are rarely if ever released to the public. I think that the ME probably discusses what was done to Sandra by Melissa because that would have been a part of doing the autopsy. I can't see that the condition of her body when found because of being in the suitcase and in the water would cause a public uprising but publishing what was done to that beautiful little girl's body by Melissa sure could. I have an idea that Melissa caused a lot of damage with whatever object or objects that she used.

It isn't just the photos but the text of the description also.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien246.html Autopsy photos released.

www.newsobserver.com/198/story/327123.html Katherine Peterson autopsy photos...released two days after autopsy

http://www.findlaci2003.us/autopsy-index.html Laci Peterson...anything you want to know

http://community2.myfoxmemphis.com/_Autopsy-Reports-Released-to-the-Public-Why/BLOG/255761/80520.html

Old one from the 1980's for Massachusettes...Judge ruling making the text of reports public information. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8030894.html

In Texas, http://www.consumersunion.org/other/TX-Access/unopinions.htm
quote
Dallas and Houston, for example, each attempted to conceal autopsy reports in 1997, even though article 49.25 of the Texas Criminal Procedure Code "provides that an autopsy report, including the full report and detailed findings of an autopsy, is a public record."53 unquote

I could post more if you need them.

As to the condition of the body NOT causing a public uprising...I personally have seen photo after photo of Sandra Cantu posted to the web, used as avatars, and placed in threads like the one we are posting on now...all across the internet. Smiling photos from her in a happier times. Imagine that you have one of these pictures of Sandra from before her death, and then next to it a picture of her shoved (folded? wedged?) into a suitcase, left in dirty ditch water for ten days (a simple experiment would be to take a cheap roast, put it in a crockpot and take it out for three days) and then after all that, have a very extensive autopsy including full Y shaped cuts made across her body, and the skull cap removed. I can't think of an image that would MORE inflame the public. It wouldn't matter if NOTHING had been done beyond putting her in the suitcase.

As to what Melissa Huckaby might have done to the body...I don't know. I wasn't there when she was put into the suitcase. The talking heads on TV are commenting left ,right and center that this ruling MUST indicate that terrible terrible evidence was contained within the suitcase. If there is, then it is a win for the prosecution. The media is on his side. If there isn't....the prosecution better worry. Cause those same talking heads that are whipping up public frenzy and saying that this is great work on the part of the medical examiner and the prosecution are NOT going to turn around and blame THEMSELVES (the talking heads) if the evidence doesn't come up to snuff....they are going to savage the medical examiner and the prosecution.

Now I'll grant you this though...if something MORE heinous than simply shoving her into the suitcase was done (breaking every bone in her body to make her fit, decapitating the head, "quartering" her) then the evidence of that would prompt the judge to make this ruling....and also place far more blame on MH.

But I think that information would have come out before the gag order...if it had occurred.

[Riverwalk!]

OK I see DNA was checked so the filing party is COUNTY OF ORANGE PLAINTIFF 04/18/2005
PATERNITY - DA


https://ocapps.occourts.org/FamLawWebv2/DisplayCase.do?caseNbr=05FL102731&src=case_src_dtl

REQ FOR DISMISSAL-FULL W/O PRJ 09/13/2006 COUNTY OF ORANGE
SUMM & CPL RE PAR OBLIGATIONS 04/18/2005 COUNTY OF ORANGE

now if I can figure out what this is..do we not have a legal eagle over here..:biggrin:

Not a legal eagle, but it was a Request for dismissal without prejudice. Must not have happened because the State of Calif. sent the orders on to Kansas to collect child support. IMO

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=07R+000079&location=internet

Case Number: 07R 000079

Petitioner: HUCKABY,MELISSA,, Attorney: ROWE,WARD,,
Respondent: HUCKABY,JOHN,, Attorney: N/A
Division: 13
Next Activity: None
10/17/2007 - IV-D Interstate Information Memo
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
10/17/2007 - COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
10/17/2007 - COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
10/17/2007 - Request for Service filed.
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
10/29/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
12/13/2007 - Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
12/17/2007 - ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
12/20/2007 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
01/02/2008 - Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
01/09/2008 - RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
02/25/2008 - Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
08/25/2008 - Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
09/04/2008 - NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
02/11/2009 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
04/20/2009 - Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - DBD

[dinojen]

THANKS RIVERWALK.. YOUR GREAT...

Lookie there.. there is that pesky date of 4-20-09 on the last order to withhold for child support with the Kansas courts... and lookie lookie at the date CA courts have him asking for a modification...:wink: 4-20-09.

Don't think it's going to get dismissed...looks like they want him to start paying...

[Riverwalk!]

THANKS RIVERWALK.. YOUR GREAT...

Lookie there.. there is that pesky date of 4-20-09 on the last order to withhold for child support with the Kansas courts... and lookie lookie at the date CA courts have him asking for a modification...:wink: 4-20-09.

Don't think it's going to get dismissed...looks like they want him to start paying...

IA. He showed up on TV and they've got him now.