Sat, April 25 & Sun,April 26

[Lovethechild]

New thread for the week-end.

[titanfan217]

Looks as if lots of lucky folks are sleeping in today.

We're up early (5 & 4 year old stayed the night, & their alarms are working quite well).

This is a great weekend for Haleigh to be spending with her mommy & brother.

[Texas48]

Looks as if lots of lucky folks are sleeping in today.

We're up early (5 & 4 year old stayed the night, & their alarms are working quite well).

This is a great weekend for Haleigh to be spending with her mommy & brother.
good morning to ALL..a BIG TY for starting us off and with a hopes and prayers for Haleigh..a child Lost. I try my best to read each post even from days past and I still always either miss or don't remember some details..does anyone know what the fight was about between Misty and Amber's mom/GM/GGM..see..I can't even remember which one it was..lol..TY for any answers and ALL input..

[Hannah21]

Was it just me or did anyone else understand this latest altercation between Amber and Misty took place before they started partying together that weekend? Maybe I misunderstood the rumor but it sounded like they ran into each other then they along with Greg and NayNay and the hooker, went partying....
Was Amber with them while the hooker was in the house working or was that just Misty, Greg and NayNay?

Amber was not with them when Naynay and Misty partied with Greg.

[dustyk]

Amber was not with them when Naynay and Misty partied with Greg.
That incident always concerned me, the extent these girls will go for drugs. I hope this didn't have anything to do with what happened to haleigh.

[Mimi428]

Was it just me or did anyone else understand this latest altercation between Amber and Misty took place before they started partying together that weekend? Maybe I misunderstood the rumor but it sounded like they ran into each other then they along with Greg and NayNay and the hooker, went partying....
Was Amber with them while the hooker was in the house working or was that just Misty, Greg and NayNay?

Misty, WBG & NayNay were the ones who were at the house while Lindsey (not Misty's S-I-L) was 'earning' the money for them to party on that weekend. That is according to NayNay's interview on the Art Harris site.

[Texas48]

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/4/24/dna_confirms_child_porn_suspect_fathered_daughter3 9s_son.html

DNA Confirms Child Porn Suspect Fathered Daughter's Son
Friday, April 24, 2009 5:18:30 PM

This is some very disturbing news.. It is only about 30 minutes East of Palatka. I never in my life knew so much danger surrounded Putnam County. Scary..Most likely not just Putnam County Bam..Its only been made public because of Haleigh missing..We might ALL be surprised what is just around the corner from where we live..one never knows anymore..THATs what is really scary..IMO

[Mimi428]

That incident always concerned me, the extent these girls will go for drugs. I hope this didn't have anything to do with what happened to haleigh.

I agree, those details are very not only very disturbing, but also very revealing about the general lifestyle being lived by that group.

NayNay says in her interview that Lindsey (not Misty's SIL) called her up & asked her to come get her & that she in return for driving her (Lindsey) around to earn money (via prostitution), that Lindsey would split the money with her. I don't think that is an unreasonable scenario in the world of "I want drugs, I need money to get drugs".

But what happens with NayNay or Misty when they are left to their own devices and do not have the incredibly generous Lindsey with them - someone who will do the deeds necessary to get the money that buys the drugs - then hand over half of it?

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it? And when the group of them all wind down after days of partying, pimping & prostitution - li'l ol' Misty goes back to her pristine Pollyanna life - playing hausfrau & beloved mommy figure in the 'clean living, no drugs' household of Ron. Oh yeah, I really believe that is the most likely description for life in that house (when donkeys fly, that is).

JMO

[Texas48]

That incident always concerned me, the extent these girls will go for drugs. I hope this didn't have anything to do with what happened to haleigh.
morning dusty..it is kinda strange..incidents involving several of these girls and then..Haleigh is gone. what is the heck could have happened?

[Mimi428]

morning dusty..it is kinda strange..incidents involving several of these girls and then..Haleigh is gone. what is the heck could have happened?

If you look at the two others living a similar life - NayNay & Amber - & consider that they were so unbelievably & stupidly high that they forgot to rid their purses of controlled substances before they tried to visit someone in the jail (& got arrested for it) - it has to make you wonder how vigilant Misty always was about keeping whatever drugs she was using out of sight & out of reach of the kids.

I think the likelihood that Haleigh accidently ingested something & died from it is more probable than the idea that a S/O broke into the house without leaving a mark on the door, grabbed Haleigh out of her bed & just took off with her.

In the first days, Ron had moments when he looked similar to people who have had a child die unexpectedly. Not the look of pure, freaking panic that a parent would have thinking their child is missing - but the resignation & sadness of accepting the loss. He has always seemed to me to have more of a look of a funeral-goer, so to speak.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Thanks Mimi....So Amber wasn't actually partying with Misty, just NayNay and the only contact Amber and Misty had was at the place where they had their confrontation? Correct?

That is how I heard NayNay, but she may have said more during another part of the interview - or at another time. She's kind of jumpy in the way she relates the details - she throws out a sentence - then another one - as if she is flashing on a memory of different scenes, rather than retelling it in a way that says..."1st we went here & we stayed for x amount of time & did activities a, b & c. At 4:00, we left to go & do...".

She doesn't have what I would call a descriptive narrative (or one that is particularly coherent). It is hard to determine a narrow sequencing of events. Just listening to her gives you an appreciation of how d@mn near impossible & maddening it must be for LE to try to get a timeline together from Misty (or any of the rest of that bunch). I would not be surprised if her recollections of the days prior & leading up to the time Haleigh disappeared are similar to NayNays.

JMO

[?noanswer]

That is how I heard NayNay, but she may have said more during another part of the interview - or at another time. She's kind of jumpy in the way she relates the details - she throws out a sentence - then another one - as if she is flashing on a memory of different scenes, rather than retelling it in a way that says..."1st we went here & we stayed for x amount of time & did activities a, b & c. At 4:00, we left to go & do...".

She doesn't have what I would call a descriptive narrative (or one that is particularly coherent). It is hard to determine a narrow sequencing of events. Just listening to her gives you an appreciation of how d@mn near impossible & maddening it must be for LE to try to get a timeline together from Misty (or any of the rest of that bunch). I would not be surprised if her recollections of the days prior & leading up to the time Haleigh disappeared are similar to NayNays.

JMO

It is also sounded to me that the tape was spliced. I agree that LE must be pulling their hair out at this point in the investigation. It is kinda hard for me to believe they were in a house full of men that wanted to be serviced and they all waited around for one girl. I know she said they stuck real close to WBG, but I still wonder what really happened. JMO

[?noanswer]

Bold is mine...
I agree with that. Plus there also seemed to be a lot of editing in her interview. That didn't help much trying to figure out what she was saying.

One thing I heard the bounty hunter say was that either she or Amber was going into rehab....or did I hear that wrong?

I understood him to say Nay Nay was going into rehab and both Nay Nay and Amber were going to get their GED. JMO

[titanfan217]

If you look at the two others living a similar life - NayNay & Amber - & consider that they were so unbelievably & stupidly high that they forgot to rid their purses of controlled substances before they tried to visit someone in the jail (& got arrested for it) - it has to make you wonder how vigilant Misty always was about keeping whatever drugs she was using out of sight & out of reach of the kids.

I think the likelihood that Haleigh accidently ingested something & died from it is more probable than the idea that a S/O broke into the house without leaving a mark on the door, grabbed Haleigh out of her bed & just took off with her.

In the first days, Ron had moments when he looked similar to people who have had a child die unexpectedly. Not the look of pure, freaking panic that a parent would have thinking their child is missing - but the resignation & sadness of accepting the loss. He has always seemed to me to have more of a look of a funeral-goer, so to speak.




JMO




I agree, and my theory at least for the past month has been that she found some drugs and thought it was Valentine's candy.

I haven't had too many ideas about what happened after that, but think someone(s) came over to help MC. Think RC knows but not sure if he was involved. The big question is why would he have married her instead of sending her down the river one way or the other.

[?noanswer]

I agree, and my theory at least for the past month has been that she found some drugs and thought it was Valentine's candy.

I haven't had too many ideas about what happened after that, but think someone(s) came over to help MC. Think RC knows but not sure if he was involved. The big question is why would he have married her instead of sending her down the river one way or the other.


I still don't have a pat thought as to what happened, but after these last few days, it would not surprise me if Amber & Nay Nay were involved. Seems neither of them were fond of Ron. JMO

[Mimi428]

It could have but it shows that the animosity wasn't from that comment.

Amber may have been bitter about the break up and her mom jumped Misti for revenge, then Misti leaves that comment about having Ron to p!ss all of them off.

So far, I don't think anyone has reported how long any of these people have known one another - as friends, as babysitters, as neighbors, schoolmates, whatever. I just can't get a handle on how long they have all known one another, how often they were friends, then foes, then friends...

Every last one of them seems to be antagonist in some really petty ways. I get the impression they all pretty much have a tit-for-tat mentality - "if you do 'this', then I'll do 'that'. Oh yeah? You think that's bad...well wait til you see what I do next! Take that! you b#tch. Let's see how you like it".

Drugs make you stupid & they definitely stunt any emotional growth & maturity you might hope to gain in life as you grow up & grow older. Look at Amber's mother - just reading some of the stuff she has been arrested for gives the impression that she is as petty, empty-headed & mercurial in her moods as a 13-year-old. And then add to all of that the possibility that at least a few of these people may very well have a marginal IQ to begin with & not a whole lot of education.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Bold is mine...

That is one of the reasons I don't think Misty had anything to do with it. One, I don't see anyone in that crowd who would cover for her or even be able to keep it from LE without cracking. And I really don't believe Ron or anyone in his family would cover for her. When would she have been able to have gotten rid of her body so that it still hasn't been found?

Plus, I refuse to believe at this point that Haleigh is gone from this world...I hope I don't have to change that belief.

I join you in that hope. I agree with the point of how Misty could have gotten rid of the body without someone knowing. Has any information ever been released that showed her having a vehicle? Until the SIL vehicle was cleared by LE, I had a nagging thought that Misty could have used it. Now I just don't know. JMO

[Mimi428]

It is kinda hard for me to believe they were in a house full of men that wanted to be serviced and they all waited around for one girl. I know she said they stuck real close to WBG, but I still wonder what really happened. JMO

Ohhhhh, I most certainly wonder about that, too. That whole scene had Lindsey doing everything to get the money, but then magnanimously splitting the money with NayNay. Sure. Uh huh. Right.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Bold is mine...

That is one of the reasons I don't think Misty had anything to do with it. One, I don't see anyone in that crowd who would cover for her or even be able to keep it from LE without cracking. And I really don't believe Ron or anyone in his family would cover for her. When would she have been able to have gotten rid of her body so that it still hasn't been found?


The one thing I do believe from NayNay & WBG is that none of them have seen Misty since the binge weekend. If they haven't seen her, it makes sense that they can't relate anything she did after she went back home.

Now if something happened in that house like Haleigh accidently ingesting something - I can very well believe that Misty would be motivated to only say "I was asleep, I don't know what happened". And if the drugs got into the house in the first place via Ron, he would be very motivated to deny ever knowing about it. He might mourn the loss of his child, but that doesn't mean he wants to go to jail over it - & lose Junior, lose his freedom, etc.

Also - a situation like that melds Ron & Misty together - they each have sufficient culpability to get in legal trouble. Misty for being the one who was home & in charge of minding the children, Ron for being the one who brought drugs into the house. They each would have reason to believe that they could not solely blame the other one, that the blame is shared. So now they are tied to one another - you can't point the finger at your partner w/o admitting that you are guilty your ownself - if not by commission, then by omission.

To me, if Ron was not fearful that he, himself, could face legal troubles, he would have already nailed Misty's hide to the wall until she told everything. But he hasn't done that - he glosses over his lack of reasonable actions - he says he hasn't even asked her whether she was going to bathroom A or bathroom B when she got up. Now some men may actually be possessed of such a mild-mannered, gullible, never-suspecting nature that they would not pound on the person in charge of the kids to tell a whole lot more - but I don't think it is reasonable to believe that of Ron - not after he hollared & carried on about killing people, shooting people, wasn't afraid to go to jail, he would throw out the trash.

It's the direct contradictions between what they (R&M) have shown they typically do & say - to what they have done & said in the circumstances surrounding Haleigh's disappearance that makes me believe each of them is being deliberately evasive & deceptive.

As for LE saying they are assured of Ron's work schedule, etc - that's fine, well & good. I think there is a definite possibility that LE is allowing people to think one thing, letting them go down their own little garden path. LE is under no obligation to tell us - or tell them - what their working theories are. They are allowed to mislead - them & us (the public).

For a good example of the misleading stuff - refer to all the things that LE publicly said while the DC snipers were at large. It came out afterwards that the statements made to the public were very carefully crafted in the hopes that they would elicit a specific type of response from the perps. I think LE has some very concrete strategies in mind by choosing to say the very few things they have said - & so very little about the whole case in general.

JMO

[dustyk]

I am beginning to think that these girls would do anything for drugs and this Lindsay girl might just be too old for child porn. I also think the weekend binge and Misty going back to Ronald might have sparked some sort of retaliation. I wish Cobra would have just let Nay Nay sit in jail a while until she talked. I read somewhere Camp Cummings wasn't too happy he bailed them out, i wonder if that could be why. JMO

[Scampi]

Mims, what an excellent theory, complete with reasonable explanations and observations. The best I have read on this board.


:thumbup:

[Texas48]

If you look at the two others living a similar life - NayNay & Amber - & consider that they were so unbelievably & stupidly high that they forgot to rid their purses of controlled substances before they tried to visit someone in the jail (& got arrested for it) - it has to make you wonder how vigilant Misty always was about keeping whatever drugs she was using out of sight & out of reach of the kids.

I think the likelihood that Haleigh accidently ingested something & died from it is more probable than the idea that a S/O broke into the house without leaving a mark on the door, grabbed Haleigh out of her bed & just took off with her.

In the first days, Ron had moments when he looked similar to people who have had a child die unexpectedly. Not the look of pure, freaking panic that a parent would have thinking their child is missing - but the resignation & sadness of accepting the loss. He has always seemed to me to have more of a look of a funeral-goer, so to speak.

JMO
very good thoughts...and I believe Misty and *the girls* are just alike..they enjoy the partying life and not ready to give it up as of yet. and its a thought to ponder about Misty..drugs and Haleigh. and iF that were the case so to speak..why did Ron *go along* or did he *know* what happened..Were the drugs his and thats the reason..or does he know what (could have) happened..IF..Misty woke up to a dead Haleigh what would have been her next move? She had to panic..call Ron? Hide the little body herself? I don't believe she had help outside of Ron cause whoever helped her would have already turned over on her..IMO..I also think about one of the few pressers LE gave..says their search had lead them to alot of evidence but would never go to say what..also LE said they believed Haleigh to still be alive..TES came and left after searching woods and St. Johns River w/divers..Oh Lordy...

[seeker]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx

This morning, listening the the interview by Jason Davis of Lt Greenwood I was struck by the Lt. actually addressing the lack of truthfulness of people they have been interviewing. (This is Lt. Greenwood's last statement in the interview):

"There's a lot of inconsistencies we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can, you know, get to the bottom of it."

At the beginning of report, Jason Davis (reporter for Action News) says:

"Detectives are not slowing down in any way"...there is a "small army of detectives on the case." "...[Investigators]interviewed people close to the family but Lt. Greenwood admits not everyone is making their job easy."

Lt. Greenwood: "All its gonna take is a little piece of evidence, ya know, to corroborate some of the statements we have and some of the information we have to solve this thing."

(This is from listening and I tried my best to write it out as I heard it. Any mistakes are mine).

[?noanswer]

The police also said this was an abduction and I believe that's how they have been working the case. We know they have looked at SO's so it seems to me that is which way they are leaning.


What a happy day that would be if this turns out to be true!!! Hopefully whomever took her will return her. I wanted to say unharmed, but guess that would be way too much to hope for. If she hasn't been harmed physically, I'm sure there would be mental scars. If whomever has her reads this please, to paraphase LP, "Just drop her off at the nearest drug store". JMO

[panache]

I just came across this old media report looking for news.

Note the last paragraph. Does anyone know where those DVD's can be found?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=132820&catid=3

[titanfan217]

What a happy day that would be if this turns out to be true!!! Hopefully whomever took her will return her. I wanted to say unharmed, but guess that would be way too much to hope for. If she hasn't been harmed physically, I'm sure there would be mental scars. If whomever has her reads this please, to paraphase LP, "Just drop her off at the nearest drug store". JMO

Has there been any case that anyone is aware of where a SO kept a small child for over 2 months and she was returned?

[panache]

Has there been any case that anyone is aware of where a SO kept a small child for over 2 months and she was returned?

Well, Elizabeth Smart's abductor could be described as a SO. I will say that there is no comparison between these two cases.

I'm not of the mind that a SO is involved in Haleigh's abduction what so ever.

moo

[Scampi]

I agree Pan, this was no SO abduction. All the answers to where Haleigh Cummings is, lies with misty and ronald in my opinion. I just hope that LE manages to get the evidence to prove it.

[panache]

I agree Pan, this was no SO abduction. All the answers to where Haleigh Cummings is, lies with misty and ronald in my opinion. I just hope that LE manages to get the evidence to prove it.

I'd sure like to locate those 7 DVD's that LE released. A weeks worth of calls. I wonder where they can be found.

I agree, it would be too coincidental for the night of all night's a SO managed to carry this off. I don't believe for one NY minute a predator was watching the comings and goings of that trailor. For openers, the happenings were too erratic, especially the week prior to Haleigh disappearing. Misty had left Ron, Ron most likely was leaving the kids with TN or the GGM and keeping an unusual schedule. Not one, at least that could be predictable.

moo

[?noanswer]

Has there been any case that anyone is aware of where a SO kept a small child for over 2 months and she was returned?

Offhand I can't think of a "she" but there have been some "he" that were found. The Stagner boy and the boy from MO (can't remember the name) were missing for years. In most cases they are not returned, but some crazy things have happened recently, so can't discount anything until the mystery is resolved. I'm beginning to think that this was a revenge/payback abduction. JMO

[panache]

Offhand I can't think of a "she" but there have been some "he" that were found. The Stagner boy and the boy from MO (can't remember the name) were missing for years. In most cases they are not returned, but some crazy things have happened recently, so can't discount anything until the mystery is resolved. I'm beginning to think that this was a revenge/payback abduction. JMO

Revenge/payback is one of my considerations also.

Do you have the link to AH? I read he posted a comment at 5:25pm today that is interesting.

[Lovethechild]

http://www.artharris.com/

[panache]

http://www.artharris.com/

Thank You so much. I'm looking for the 4/25 comment by Art.

That being said, the 4/24 comment was quite intriguing.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/24/haleigh-cummings-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/#comment-33517

Post 47 was the one I was looking for originally. Gratis.

moo

[Lovethechild]

Thank You so much. I'm looking for the 4/25 comment by Art.

That being said, the 4/24 comment was quite intriguing.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/24/haleigh-cummings-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/#comment-33517

I read that comment as well.....someone KNOWN to the family...Not the family itself.....I don't know why I'm thinking of Chad?:huh:

[panache]

Recent cases?

Elizabeth Smart
Ben Ownby
Shawn Hornbeck
Cole Puffinburger


That's just a few off the top of my head. I'm sure a google search would find more.

Yes, but I made an earlier mistake and named Elisabeth Smart. Titian asked for *small children*. I have to admit I can't recall a recent case.

[panache]

I read that comment as well.....someone KNOWN to the family...Not the family itself.....I don't know why I'm thinking of Chad?:huh:

I've dismissed Chad completely.

moo

[panache]

Haleigh has been moved from the Active Amber Alerts to the

Unsolved Amber Alerts. :mad:


http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MCICSearch/UnsolvedAlerts.asp

[panache]

What does age have to do with it? Pedophiles steal children of all ages as evidenced by all but 1 of the names I mentioned.

That wasn't my idea. Ask the poster who posed the question bookie. She must have a reason.

[titanfan217]

That wasn't my idea. Ask the poster who posed the question bookie. She must have a reason.


I haven't followed that many cases but having any child, especially a little girl like Haleigh, being held by any SO seems to be one of the least positive scenerios. The physical and mental torture is not anything I could imagine.

Of course we want her home; however, I don't see the odds with that scenerio even measurable, especially that the SO has a change of heart.

[playnice]

In most cases that I can remember the SO didn't have a change of heart, they got caught. Michael Devlin didn't let Ben and Shawn go.

Shasta Groane was held and kept alive. Doesnt happen very often but just maybe this time it will.

These cases very seldom end will and most of the time I hope and pray for the best but know its a long shot. But with Haleigh and all the people that surrounded her life I think just about anything is possible whether family, acquaintaince, SO, revenge on family or a scam for money after watching the A's rake in the dough . this time I do have hope that Haleigh may be one of the very few that remain alive.

[kitty1182]

I still think some family member has her hid out....

[?noanswer]

I'm sure people have learned more about scams specially after watching the ants. But no I don't believe thats the case here either. Nor do I think either side of Haleighs family was involved.

I don't think it was a money making scam. If so, the players would still be in the limelight. Since neither side is doing media interviews, people say they are not trying to find Haleigh, yet if they did people would say it was all about the money.

I know some of the stuff we heard last week was not true, re the story about RC and JR trying to lure Amber's child outside. I wonder how much of the Amber & Nay Nay story is true and how much has been emblished by AH, TJH, and Cobra. I know there is a video of an interview with Nay Nay, but it has been edited. I would love to see the total interview and see if she said anything to make the story less salacious.

Also in light of the Amber, Nay Nay and Misty story, I am beginning to think this could be a revenge/payback abduction. I not saying they could be involved, but the life that both the maternal & paternal side of the family lived, I'm sure they are more of the same kind of happenings. JMO

[Texas48]

I still think some family member has her hid out....I hope u are right Kitty..

[Texas48]

I'm sure people have learned more about scams specially after watching the ants. But no I don't believe thats the case here either. Nor do I think either side of Haleighs family was involved.Morning bully...putters are all ok today? Getting started late today..night out on the town takes its toll..kwim? and Good morning to all..

[Texas48]

If someone wanted revenge on Ron a bullet would be quicker and less risky so I don't see revenge/payback either.

My first theory was that Haleigh did leave the house that night and ended up in the river. I still think that at times but I'm leaning more toward an SO abduction.
I see your point bookie..I had felt it could be a revenge against Ron..but your right..they would have went after Ron instead of a little girl.jmo

[titanfan217]

I still think some family member has her hid out....


I thought that for awhile especially when a week after the photos of Haleigh being hurt at school, there was a week of dated photos.

[Peaches]

I still think some family member has her hid out....



Oh Kitty, I hope this is true and that she will be found alive and happy.

[Peaches]

Morning bully...putters are all ok today? Getting started late today..night out on the town takes its toll..kwim? and Good morning to all..


Good morning, Texas.

Hope today will bring us news on Haleigh.

[kitty1182]

If a family member, whether it be Ron or Crystal that could be behind it, I hope jail time comes in years for them and Haleigh is took away from the family..I just don't have a feeling this child is in any danger....
Whether this (if this ends up the case) was because of spite or money, I hope someone pays dearly....
All of this is MOO..

[?noanswer]

If someone wanted revenge on Ron a bullet would be quicker and less risky so I don't see revenge/payback either.

My first theory was that Haleigh did leave the house that night and ended up in the river. I still think that at times but I'm leaning more toward an SO abduction.

I wasn't necessarily thinking it was against RC. I don't see how a bullet would be less risky. JMO

[Peaches]

Crystal admitted calling DCF on Ron so I don't see anything unusual about them taking photos to document her injury and healing. It was a CYA move brought on by the knowledge that a bitter ex might try to use it against them and in this case that's exactly what happened. Too bad for Crystal that they have evidence of where the injury came from and the school documented the fall. The fact that the school and hospital didn't see and report abuse won't help Crystal's claim.


Also, bookie, it is good that this happened at school where others can verify what happened.

What if it has been a fall from her bike at home with no one to witnessit...................Ron would be in deep trouble just because his child had an accident.

So sad.

O/T.........a little.........When my grandson jumped off the steps and landed on his elbow, he fractured his arm. I called 911. As each responder arrived, they asked HIM what had happened. When he arrived at the hospital, each person who came into contact with him, including the doctor, asked HIM what had happened. I think that all those who should be looking for "child abuse" are. This is MOO with this accident to my perecios baby. Funny.......when asked by his mother who he wanted to ride with him in the ambulance, mommy or daddy...............he said grammie. :laugh: Daddy did.

[?noanswer]

If there is no evidence left behind the cops have no clues. Not all guns eject the cartridge. And if the gun has never been used in a crime then there is nothing in the police database to lead police to the shooter.

That is supposedly what happened to dog, the bounty hunter when he said he was shot at last week. I don't know about these bounty hunters. They seem to crave attention. JMO

[playnice]

If a family member, whether it be Ron or Crystal that could be behind it, I hope jail time comes in years for them and Haleigh is took away from the family..I just don't have a feeling this child is in any danger....
Whether this (if this ends up the case) was because of spite or money, I hope someone pays dearly....
All of this is MOO..

Alot of skanky people in this case. Family & acquaintances.
I posted last night, this is one of the rare cases that I think this child could be alive.

[Peaches]

My middle daughter got whiplash when an idiot she was riding a 4 wheeler with jumped a small hill. Our hospital experience was the same...the triage nurse and dr asked her what happened.

Asking small children is best. They don't take the time to form a lie. They are the ultimate straight shooters and say exactly what happened.

I don't know what Crystal, Marie and Kim thought they were going to prove by using a known school injury as proof of abuse. Are they all stupid and thought Ron would sit back and say nothing? Didn't they think the school documented the fall? I think Kim should have sent Cobra to the school before she ran to the media with the abuse claim.

We have seen no evidence of child abuse to my knowledge. I see Haleigh as a happy child. At her age, I think that she thinks her life is fine...............she has not seen much to compare it with. moo

When these questions were being asked to my gs, because of my reading on these boards, I was not offended at all.............just happy to see first responders/doctors/nurses take their jobs seriously.

Kim has made some very cruel remarks on national tv that should never have been said.

Until they remove Ron, Jr., I will think that there is no evidence to cause this to happen.

MOO

[kitty1182]

Alot of skanky people in this case. Family & acquaintances.
I posted last night, this is one of the rare cases that I think this child could be alive.

Me too:wink:

[Peaches]

Alot of skanky people in this case. Family & acquaintances.
I posted last night, this is one of the rare cases that I think this child could be alive.


Playnice. Nice to see you.

And, I am truly hoping that this will be the case.............Haleigh will be found safe and sound.

[kitty1182]

Playnice. Nice to see you.

And, I am truly hoping that this will be the case.............Haleigh will be found safe and sound.

Me too and I hope we can hear the handcuffs locking..

[dustyk]

If KP presents her case correctly neither should lose custody, but custodial parent will be reconsidered. I would imagine that Ron has the most to lose judging on what happened while the children were in his care. Not saying anything was his fault, but it won't look good. JMO

[panache]

I think this is what you were looking for Panache.


http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/radio_calls_haleigh_cummings_021909

Thank you bookie for the trouble you went through to find that. It still doesn't show the 7 CD's of calls. :mad:

[dustyk]

hope for Ron's sake you are right, but I would imagine friends of the babysitter/wife will testify about her character even if KP has to subpoena them.

[panache]

This link has a great collection of photos. Pic #231 of Ron on a horse is one I have never seen.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?start=200

[panache]

This link has a great collection of photos. Pic #231 of Ron on a horse is one I have never seen.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?start=200

Sorry, this is the photo I meant. I maybe put the wrong # on it.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=h005.jpg

[Texas48]

If a family member, whether it be Ron or Crystal that could be behind it, I hope jail time comes in years for them and Haleigh is took away from the family..I just don't have a feeling this child is in any danger....
Whether this (if this ends up the case) was because of spite or money, I hope someone pays dearly....
All of this is MOO..and an excellent opinion kitty..

[panache]

Sorry, this is the photo I meant. I maybe put the wrong # on it.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=h005.jpg

Quoting myself again. This photo disturbs me.

[Texas48]

We have seen no evidence of child abuse to my knowledge. I see Haleigh as a happy child. At her age, I think that she thinks her life is fine...............she has not seen much to compare it with. moo

When these questions were being asked to my gs, because of my reading on these boards, I was not offended at all.............just happy to see first responders/doctors/nurses take their jobs seriously.

Kim has made some very cruel remarks on national tv that should never have been said.

Until they remove Ron, Jr., I will think that there is no evidence to cause this to happen.

MOO
I agree Peaches...as a matter of fact..if nurse or Dr. did NOT ask a child *what happened* I would be very upset..I believe all medical personel should ask questions and If a child responds that someone hurt him/her then I should hope the Dr. would turn it over to CDS..wasn't that many years ago this procedure wan not done or neighbors would not step up and make the report of an abused child and many many children have died/killed as a result of that failure. We still see it happening just not as much...heck even when DCS does get involved many children still die...When it comes to me seeing or believing child abuse I do not hesitate to make a phone call...JMO

[dustyk]

Even if "friends of the babysitter/wife" testify, unless they have witnessed Misty doing drugs in front of these children, it will not be admissible in a court of law. IMO
I am seriously looking at Amber and her mother as someone who may have abducted this Innocent child to get even with Ron for leaving Amber. They hold so much hate for Misty,a little crack and a let's get even attitude IMO, = taking his daughter. These are two people who are known to be violent, heavy drug user's and have a record of using violence if someone pi**es them off. I don't even think Nay Nay is violent, just stupid on drugs.

If these two are involved it is not Misty or Ron's fault that they took his daughter. The responsibility is on their(the abductors) back.Drugs has been involved in majority of crimes, they turn people into monsters.
If I recall reading the last custody hearing the judge did ask when was the last time Crystal did cocaine and also asked Ronald the same thing, it was admissable then, why not now. If Ronald married Misty to avoid statutory rape charges this will come back to bite him in the rear, her character will be considered if she will be a caretaker. I do agree about these girls being involved especially the lindsey girl. If she will prostitute herself that way what else will she do. JMO

[Peaches]

I agree Peaches...as a matter of fact..if nurse or Dr. did NOT ask a child *what happened* I would be very upset..I believe all medical personel should ask questions and If a child responds that someone hurt him/her then I should hope the Dr. would turn it over to CDS..wasn't that many years ago this procedure wan not done or neighbors would not step up and make the report of an abused child and many many children have died/killed as a result of that failure. We still see it happening just not as much...heck even when DCS does get involved many children still die...When it comes to me seeing or believing child abuse I do not hesitate to make a phone call...JMO

It is very sad that no matter how many of us try to protect or children, something can happen in a matter of seconds to hurt them.

I am with you, I do not hesitate to call if I see a little one being abused or think that I see one being abused.

Reminds me of that lady seeing a child in a convenience store and thinking the child was acting strange..........she called and she called. Finally, this child was found and she indeed had been as Ron says "stolen"..............so, this just go to show us if we suspect, we call. And with luck, the authorities will take care of the problem if there is one.

You would be surprised to what young children share with their teachers, especially the young ones.

On meet your teacher night ------- my daughter tells her parents (she teaches K) if you do not believe what your child tells you happened EXACTLY as she/he tells it at home what happened in school any given day----------- I will NOT believe that story they share with me happened exactly at home the way they tell it. (I hope you get the jest...I am not sure my words are exact.) And then she adds, if you have questions, please call.......email.....or just drop by.

Kids do say the darnests things. I said all of this to say that children who are being abused do share with those they trust such as their teacher.


Also, this is the reason I know that children can be and are removed immediately if LE thinks they are in danger. Therefore, if LE though Ron, Jr. was in danger, he would be long gone.

MOO

[dustyk]

Do you think Chads record of DV will play a role in the child being placed with Crystal? I don't think the Lindsy girl played a role, of course I don't know if she history of violence or not. I understand she lives over near ST. Augustine, does Ron even know her. Being a prostitute does not mean she has a desire to murder a child. What reason would she have she was not with this group that was partying with Amber that week end. My understanding is Amber jumped on Misty at a party they both were at. Accidentally run in to each other. Just rumor.
I think Chad's record will come in if they are living together or are married which if Crystal listen's to her attorney I am sure neither of these will be the case.

[dustyk]

I still would like to know if Crystal has followed up on her health. No one seems to know. I wish NO harm of ill health on her, she is to young to be facing a major illness. She is still the mother of these young children. I just believe she is wrong to allow KP to use her for her on gain of publicity. I don't think Sheriff Hardy was exaggerating when he said bring in attorney has hurt getting information on what really happened to Haleigh.
KP is doing her job. The judge should be able to tell what is fact or fiction.

[dustyk]

I am glad you think so, I don't. I think she is and will continue to live with Chad. MOO
not if she wants custody. She can do what Ronald did. I can't read her mind nor do I know what she will or won't do, but if she wants custody she better make it at least look good when she goes to court. JMO

[dustyk]

You think Kim Picazio is telling Chad to move out? Isn't that a tad disingenuous? I'm sure there is documnetation showing they lived together before she decided she wants Junior.
I am sure Ron's lawyer won't go there, there is also evidence he lived with Misty and she was 16 at the time JMO

[dustyk]

ROFL. Ya think? If the judges weren't aware of it already considering DCF has investigated before then I'm sure Kim Picazio would include it in every other sentence of any motions she files.
Is there a link I missed when DCF investigated him in the 6 or 7 months he lived with Misty. If KP does include that in her motion she better be sure Chad is not living with Crystal. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Has anyone heard anything about this? About an hour and 45 minutes away.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/4/21/human_remains_found_in_apopka_woods.html?cid=rss

[dustyk]

Det Schauland, IIRC, talked about it early on. He said DCF had been to the home recently and he specifically mentioned Ron and Misti.
I am sure if KP knows that she will include that when she presents her case. Still don't know what recently would be though. JMO

[5boxersmom]

I am SO glade FDLE is there. Yes, Apopka is just South of Leesburg,just out side of Eustis. Been years since I was in the area but that is the ares Trenton Duckett was in with his mother while driving around the day of his disappearance,from what I recall.
Surely they know whether it is a child or adult just from the bones.
Thanks Mom for the link.
Motorcycle Fest going on this week end in Leesburg. I wonder if it was any of the bikers that found the skeleton remains.
I just reread the article,must have been students that found the bones.
For some reason I am just trembling after reading this.

Calm down.:biggrin:

I never even thought of Trenton. :sad:

[Texas48]

It is very sad that no matter how many of us try to protect or children, something can happen in a matter of seconds to hurt them.

I am with you, I do not hesitate to call if I see a little one being abused or think that I see one being abused.

Reminds me of that lady seeing a child in a convenience store and thinking the child was acting strange..........she called and she called. Finally, this child was found and she indeed had been as Ron says "stolen"..............so, this just go to show us if we suspect, we call. And with luck, the authorities will take care of the problem if there is one.

You would be surprised to what young children share with their teachers, especially the young ones.

On meet your teacher night ------- my daughter tells her parents (she teaches K) if you do not believe what your child tells you happened EXACTLY as she/he tells it at home what happened in school any given day----------- I will NOT believe that story they share with me happened exactly at home the way they tell it. (I hope you get the jest...I am not sure my words are exact.) And then she adds, if you have questions, please call.......email.....or just drop by.

Kids do say the darnests things. I said all of this to say that children who are being abused do share with those they trust such as their teacher.


Also, this is the reason I know that children can be and are removed immediately if LE thinks they are in danger. Therefore, if LE though Ron, Jr. was in danger, he would be long gone.

MOOPeaches..I know what u are saying..u have no problem with your words..I believe *teachers* play a big part in our childrens/grandchildrens lives...Many teachers can tell when their is abuse without ever hearing it from the child..I think now days theachers are learning more about abuse and they watch for it in the child...Something alway made me sad....Caylee was such a beautiful child but her eyes were sad at times..I am in now way say she was abused prior to her murder..she just seemed sad. anyway...all is just MO

[dustyk]

You think she's going to include DCF's other investigation that cleared Ron of abuse? I don't.
I think she will if it proves that Misty was caring for the children when most of the judges decision was made because he thought TN would be caring for them. The other part of his decision was based on employment, we know what that situation is now. JMO

[dustyk]

If Crystal was smarter than I think she is, she could very well have done this. She could have had someone Haleigh didn't know take her and hide her until this custody thing is over. Then after custody Haleigh suddenly appear. If it were just Crystal I think that would be far fetched, but if she knew her attorney before this KP could have "off the record planned this". Just a thought. JMO

[cat3]

I posted this link a few days ago and am posting it again in case it was missed.Does anyone have any idea of what may have happened,or do you think that St John is just trying to be mysterious?
I don't really buy into psychics,but it was eerie how close she was to Caylee's body, and when she said that LE lied about searching that area for CA,I thought of the cop with Kronk that didn't search and was fired.
I sure would like to know what happened during that "blind drive" for Haleigh. It strikes me as strange that people hint that they know something but can't say as it would harm the investigation.Even LE won't let anything out.Just strange all the way around in my opinion.

Conversation about Haleigh stops at around 10:42

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1416442

[dustyk]

"Most of the judges decision was made because he thought TN would be caring for them." You have a link to that because that wasn't in the custody doc I read. While your looking can you find a link showing how long the judge told Ron TN had to care for the kids? Was it a year? Until they were teens? Until they graduated high school?
Then we must have read two different docs. I read when the judge asked Ron who would be caring for the children while he worked he answered his mother would or his GGM I can't remember which. the judge never told him how long she had to care for them but I am sure he wouldn't have approved of him living with a 16 year old, who does drugs.as recently as the weekend before Haleigh goes missing, wonder what he will think of that? JMO

[dustyk]

The judge asked who helped/would help with the kids. That doesn't mean he gave Ron custody because he thought TN would be the only one watching her. He also asked if the kids would be put in daycare. Do you think daycare played a part in the judges decision.
No I don't but I am sure Misty wasn't part of it either.JMO

[dustyk]

Since she wasn't in the picture I doubt she was a part of it. The fact is that the judge didn't order Ron to have his mother or grandmother to be the only people who watched Haleigh and Junior no matter how hard some try to spin the custody order.

I am not trying to spin it at all. I just don't think the judge this time will act the same as last time when all of the evidence on misty comes out. This would put tremendous liability on that county if something were to happen to Jr. while in Misty's care. JMO

[dustyk]

What evidence??? Everything about this case has been hearsay. The police haven't named her a suspect or POI. They have talked about inconsistencies but after hearing her talk I have no doubt they are minor points. The girl comes across as if she is dumber than a box of rocks. She didn'tknow what numerical meant on the 911 call, when asked hair color she replied white and clearly didn't understand what inconsistency meant when asked about it in her last interview.
Evidence on the weekend before Haleigh went missing, Cobra bailed these girls out for a reason. JMO

[dustyk]

Unless they have pictures of Misti using drugs it isn't evidence. Hearsay isn't evidence.
Their testimony will be evidence have no doubt about that, The judge wil decide if they are credible or not. JMO Too many people saw them together.

[dustyk]

ROFL. Someone saying something isn't evidence. Especially a couple of girls arrested for cocaine possession and bailed out by Kim Picazio's buddy. That reeks of bought testimony. Ron's attorneys will have a field day with that.
There is still Greg and his mother. Remember Ron's attorney is pro bono, could have been recommended by KP. JMO

[titanfan217]

What may have been minor in February, is a major issue unless Haleigh has been returned home and we haven't been told.

[dustyk]

What does pro bono have to do with anything? Kim Picazio is working pro bono according to her and I doubt Ron would have signed on with anyone Kim Picazio recommended.
no not intentionally, doubt seriously if that would have been disclosed, JMO

[dustyk]

no not intentionally, doubt seriously if that would have been disclosed, JMO
Let me just throw this out there, No doubt in my mind that KP is a woman's advocate and they have no doubt seen this type of case before. They know how the law works and they know how to use it in their favor. Many of these attorneys have ties to underground networks and also will advise to hide children, off the record. I am not saying this is the case, but would not be surprised if it were. JMO

[Hannah21]

The judge asked who helped/would help with the kids. That doesn't mean he gave Ron custody because he thought TN would be the only one watching her. He also asked if the kids would be put in daycare. Do you think daycare played a part in the judges decision.

Ronald certainly did not tell the judge that he would have a couple of underage live in girlfriends to take care of the children while he was at work. The judge would have looked at the situation closer if he had told the truth.

[Hannah21]

ROFL. Someone saying something isn't evidence. Especially a couple of girls arrested for cocaine possession and bailed out by Kim Picazio's buddy. That reeks of bought testimony. Ron's attorneys will have a field day with that.

Bailed out by a bondsman. That is what bondsman do.

[Hannah21]

You do know that hearing was about 2 years before he was with Amber and 4 before he was with Misti right? Was he supposed to be psychic and know who he was going to be with years down the road. Sheesh!!!

Those are the only two you know about. I know you don't want to admit that RC may have lied. People do it all the time in court.

[Hannah21]

Cobra is a bondsman? I've never seen that label on him, just bounty hunter.

Yes, he is a bondsman and a bounty hunter.

[Hannah21]

When was he asked who all he has dated? I haven't heard him list names. So when did he lie and could you post a link to that lie?

There is a lot of local information that is not in the news, bookie. You would be surprised at all that is known about your boy ronnie.

[?noanswer]

Cobra is a bondsman? I've never seen that label on him, just bounty hunter.

Cobra is not a bondsman. He paid the fee (10%?) that is required for the bond. It was a bail bonds company that wrote the bond.

JMO

[Texas48]

Takeing long deep breath.
The last time this happened to me,I looked at the headlines of the paper where I lived at the time it and it read" Imokalee Students drowns in
Lake Trafford. I knew instantly it was the son of a co worker of mine. We had been away for the weekend so I had not heard anything. I knew before I read his name it was her son.
He would be a Great player in the NFL today. Edgerian James, was with him and survived. Today he is a NFL player. Saddest thing,his mom was poor and a single Mom. Sorry, brought back memories. Thanks for allowing me to share.
Some one will finally get closure on a lost love one, sad but will help the family.your correct bam..someone's missing loved one. someone that has been waiting for a phone call..I cant imagine myself in those shoes..I dontt WANT to imagine myself in that position and I am well aware it can happen to *anyone* at any given time. NO One is exempt from that heartbreak.

[lonetraveler]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx

This morning, listening the the interview by Jason Davis of Lt Greenwood I was struck by the Lt. actually addressing the lack of truthfulness of people they have been interviewing. (This is Lt. Greenwood's last statement in the interview):

"There's a lot of inconsistencies we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can, you know, get to the bottom of it."

At the beginning of report, Jason Davis (reporter for Action News) says:

"Detectives are not slowing down in any way"...there is a "small army of detectives on the case." "...[Investigators]interviewed people close to the family but Lt. Greenwood admits not everyone is making their job easy."

Lt. Greenwood: "All its gonna take is a little piece of evidence, ya know, to corroborate some of the statements we have and some of the information we have to solve this thing."

(This is from listening and I tried my best to write it out as I heard it. Any mistakes are mine).

------
Lt. Greenwood seems to be at his breaking point for putting up with lie after lie. His frustration appears to match the frustration of the detectives who were interviewing Casey Anthony at Universal Studios. Fed up to the eyeballs with liars. I feel for them and know that I could not do their job. I would not last very long with someone lying through their teeth. I would be fired for grabbing them by the throat until they coughed up the truth. Salute to the detectives for what they do for the rest of us.

[Texas48]

If Crystal was smarter than I think she is, she could very well have done this. She could have had someone Haleigh didn't know take her and hide her until this custody thing is over. Then after custody Haleigh suddenly appear. If it were just Crystal I think that would be far fetched, but if she knew her attorney before this KP could have "off the record planned this". Just a thought. JMOany *thought* is appreciated IMO. interesting theorie dusty.

[Texas48]

I posted this link a few days ago and am posting it again in case it was missed.Does anyone have any idea of what may have happened,or do you think that St John is just trying to be mysterious?
I don't really buy into psychics,but it was eerie how close she was to Caylee's body, and when she said that LE lied about searching that area for CA,I thought of the cop with Kronk that didn't search and was fired.
I sure would like to know what happened during that "blind drive" for Haleigh. It strikes me as strange that people hint that they know something but can't say as it would harm the investigation.Even LE won't let anything out.Just strange all the way around in my opinion.

Conversation about Haleigh stops at around 10:42

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1416442
gosh cat..I have never had an opinion one way or the other about psychics..my GGM and GM believed..and I know several times my GM would be right about something and I would get the chillys up the back of my neck..she always scared me as she would just up and say that she had a dream about some relative and that their would be a death and sure enough..2-3 days later..I suppose that anthing is possible. Does she usually release her feelings/findings to the public or does she tell only LE?

[seeker]

I still would like to know if Crystal has followed up on her health. No one seems to know. I wish NO harm of ill health on her, she is to young to be facing a major illness. She is still the mother of these young children. I just believe she is wrong to allow KP to use her for her on gain of publicity. I don't think Sheriff Hardy was exaggerating when he said bring in attorney has hurt getting information on what really happened to Haleigh.



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Bam Bam,

I missed Sheriff Hardy saying that. I am not doubting you, just don't remember it. Do you know when this was? Was he addressing the fact that both parents have retained attorneys? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[calamitygirl]

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Lt. Greenwood seems to be at his breaking point for putting up with lie after lie. His frustration appears to match the frustration of the detectives who were interviewing Casey Anthony at Universal Studios. Fed up to the eyeballs with liars. I feel for them and know that I could not do their job. I would not last very long with someone lying through their teeth. I would be fired for grabbing them by the throat until they coughed up the truth. Salute to the detectives for what they do for the rest of us.

Bolding is mine

So very true.

[Texas48]

The judge asked who helped/would help with the kids. That doesn't mean he gave Ron custody because he thought TN would be the only one watching her. He also asked if the kids would be put in daycare. Do you think daycare played a part in the judges decision.Question..? not directed at you bookie.the daycare remark got my attention..Was Jr. in fulltime daycare or did he stay with Misty during the day while Haleigh was in school? Anyone?

[Texas48]

No I don't but I am sure Misty wasn't part of it either.JMOBut..Was Ron and Misty an item at that time?

[Texas48]

Since she wasn't in the picture I doubt she was a part of it. The fact is that the judge didn't order Ron to have his mother or grandmother to be the only people who watched Haleigh and Junior no matter how hard some try to spin the custody order.Darn it..I just asked the question if Ron/Misty were together at that time...Should have read alittle further..sorry..The way I read it I didnt take it as it was a *condition* of the custody. but that was just MO.

[dustyk]

How can you be sure?

Honestly.... IMO..... the judge knew Ron would eventually date and possibly marry before he was a grandfather... Wouldn't you think?


Woudn't think to a 16 year old jmo

[Texas48]

What evidence??? Everything about this case has been hearsay. The police haven't named her a suspect or POI. They have talked about inconsistencies but after hearing her talk I have no doubt they are minor points. The girl comes across as if she is dumber than a box of rocks. She didn'tknow what numerical meant on the 911 call, when asked hair color she replied white and clearly didn't understand what inconsistency meant when asked about it in her last interview.I dont mean this in an ugly way but it was clear (and we could see her looks/expression/question mark in her eyes) when asked about *inconsistencies* that she did not know what the word meant..on the 911 call I felt the same about the word *numerical* but after thinking about it maybe she didnt understand the dispatcher or didnt hear her correctly..I was tying to find an excuse for Misty but in all honesty I knew she didnt know the meaning. I bet most all here have grandkids that know the meaning of those words and in no way am I trying to put her down..this is just how it is with some ppl. JMO

[Texas48]

ROFL. Someone saying something isn't evidence. Especially a couple of girls arrested for cocaine possession and bailed out by Kim Picazio's buddy. That reeks of bought testimony. Ron's attorneys will have a field day with that.I believe it was mention that the *girls* would loose credibility because of the interview after they were released from jail..and..your right bookie..the courts will frown on their testimony now. Whatever they did know..if they know anything at all they should have provided LE with the information.JMO

[Texas48]

Let me just throw this out there, No doubt in my mind that KP is a woman's advocate and they have no doubt seen this type of case before. They know how the law works and they know how to use it in their favor. Many of these attorneys have ties to underground networks and also will advise to hide children, off the record. I am not saying this is the case, but would not be surprised if it were. JMOthere are many cases where this happends with one parent(not always the mother) and child that go underground..and most likely for good reasons..but if this were the case with Crystal..wht did she not take *both* children?

[Texas48]

Those are the only two you know about. I know you don't want to admit that RC may have lied. People do it all the time in court.I have a feeling that whoever Ron was with at that time would have already surfaced..Everyone's life is pretty much been turned inside out in this case..JMO

[panache]

[/B]



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Bam Bam,

I missed Sheriff Hardy saying that. I am not doubting you, just don't remember it. Do you know when this was? Was he addressing the fact that both parents have retained attorneys? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks


Hi seeker

This might be what that poster was referring to.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

[Texas48]

There is a lot of local information that is not in the news, bookie. You would be surprised at all that is known about your boy ronnie.I'm not bookie and Ronnie isnt my boy but..I believe whoever he was with in years past KP would have known about it..media would have dug deep and found out..LE most likely knows everything there is to know about Ron down to what size underwear he wears and if the are boxer or briefs. There is a missing child and I have belief that LE has left nothing unturned nor has KP nor has AH..not so sure about Cobra. JMO

[Hannah21]

Cobra is not a bondsman. He paid the fee (10%?) that is required for the bond. It was a bail bonds company that wrote the bond.

JMO

He is licensed to sign bonds. So yes, he is a bondsman/bounty hunter. Are you aware that bounty hunters hunt people they have signed bonds for that fail to show up in court.

[cat3]

gosh cat..I have never had an opinion one way or the other about psychics..my GGM and GM believed..and I know several times my GM would be right about something and I would get the chillys up the back of my neck..she always scared me as she would just up and say that she had a dream about some relative and that their would be a death and sure enough..2-3 days later..I suppose that anthing is possible. Does she usually release her feelings/findings to the public or does she tell only LE?

Thanks for responding Texas.I'm glad I got a little nibble this time.lol.That is weird about your GM.They say we all have a hidden psychic ability,but some more than others.Sort of like you think of someone and they call a few minutes later type of thing.
I don't know much about St John.I never heard of her before Caylee.
I know she released the "blind drive" for Caylee,and also Adji.
I just thought it was strange that she said releasing the video of the drive would hinder the investigation,and I would love to know what the heck happened (if anything) during that drive.IMO

[Hannah21]

I'm not bookie and Ronnie isnt my boy but..I believe whoever he was with in years past KP would have known about it..media would have dug deep and found out..LE most likely knows everything there is to know about Ron down to what size underwear he wears and if the are boxer or briefs. There is a missing child and I have belief that LE has left nothing unturned nor has KP nor has AH..not so sure about Cobra. JMO

And you would be correct but don't count on everything being reported to the public at this time.

[Texas48]

Investigators are working to figure out if human remains found in dense woods belong to a man who wandered away from a local assisted living facility.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19241096/detail.htmlMissing since May 23,2008..oh my thats a long time. This is sad.

[calamitygirl]

there are many cases where this happends with one parent(not always the mother) and child that go underground..and most likely for good reasons..but if this were the case with Crystal..wht did she not take *both* children?

Maybe they got scared, or accidently made a noise.

[Texas48]

There is a lot of local information that is not in the news, bookie. You would be surprised at all that is known about your boy ronnie.
Your statement is interesting Hannah..can you share for the information that is known about Ron? I am willing to listen..I think everyone would listen..

[Texas48]

Testimony will be evidence when? Is Misty on trial?hey FA..good afternoon..I responded to your post a few minutes ago and forgot to TY for the link and I didnt even say hello..sorry..had a late night last night and havent caught up to myself as of yet..I believe the conversation about trials and misty and evidence was a conversation of *what ifs* ..we didnt miss anything.lol..

[Texas48]

Cobra is not a bondsman. He paid the fee (10%?) that is required for the bond. It was a bail bonds company that wrote the bond.

JMOso the fact is Cobra is only a BH..? OK..TY for cleaing that up..lol

[Texas48]

I knew he isn't a bondsman. That was a rhetorical question. :wink:
Oh..gosh here I was thinking he was both..

[Hannah21]

Quoting myself again. This photo disturbs me.

Why does this photo disturb you?

[Texas48]

I re-read the 911 transcript a few days ago and when he dispatcher asked for the numerical she actually asked "what's that". That clued me in that she isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.I know bookie and still find it sad.

[seeker]

Last week and this afternoon I was checking in at Ron Cumming's attorney's website, which is dedicated to the disappearance of Haleigh and their representation of her father, Ron.

The site has been rehabbed, but some mistakes are still there, including words overlapping words, making it difficult to read. It's good to see that they finally corrected her description on the home page, but not on the page with Haleigh's photos.

What is troubling is that, the way it is now set up, if you were to just click on the box entitled "Haleigh's Pictures" you are taken to photographs and her description and when she went missing:

(my underlining and bolding)

"Haleigh was last seen between the hours of 8pm and 10pm at her Satsuma home, located in the Hermitt's Cove section of Putnam County. She is described as a white female, approximately 39 pounds and 3 foot 9 inches tall. She is five years old, has blond hair and blue eyes."

The "album cover" for photos is the picture of Haleigh, eyes closed, holding an infant. On the home page her description is correct, yet they say she was last seen "in the evening hours." Just kind of troubling that everything does not match up, especially because the conflicting information makes it difficult to identify her and it is unclear when she was last seen. "Evening hours" is open to interpretation, depending upon each person's idea of "evening."

On the Home Page, on the left is the following announcement:

"Coming Soon!

See Haleigh's Dad Speak Out Via Video!"

There's also a streaming banner running across the top saying basically the same thing.

Just some observations and some things to wonder about.

These are my thoughts and opinions only.

http://www.findhaleighnow.com/

[Texas48]

Thanks for responding Texas.I'm glad I got a little nibble this time.lol.That is weird about your GM.They say we all have a hidden psychic ability,but some more than others.Sort of like you think of someone and they call a few minutes later type of thing.
I don't know much about St John.I never heard of her before Caylee.
I know she released the "blind drive" for Caylee,and also Adji.
I just thought it was strange that she said releasing the video of the drive would hinder the investigation,and I would love to know what the heck happened (if anything) during that drive.IMOOh my gosh..ya know my mother and I would be thinking about wach other and I would pick up the phone to call her and she would start laughing and say she had the phone in her hand ready to call me..isnt that strange and I have other ppl say things like that as well. and I cant imagine why releasing the video would hurt the investigation..that doesn't make any sense either. strange. mo

[calamitygirl]

Your statement is interesting Hannah..can you share for the information that is known about Ron? I am willing to listen..I think everyone would listen..

Yes, I would be very interested.

[Texas48]

And you would be correct but don't count on everything being reported to the public at this time.
oh..I know that..at least LE isnt letting go of anything yet..maybe soon.

[Texas48]

fellow posters..its been a pleasure as always..gonna call it a night so hope we all see each other tomorrow..good night all.

[seeker]

Hi seeker

This might be what that poster was referring to.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

Thanks so much, Panache.

"Hunkering" down behind their attorneys. It sounds as if he was referring to both Crystal and Ron.

my thought.

[seeker]

Quoting myself again. This photo disturbs me.

Is it his facial expression and the way he holds his body on the horse?

[cat3]

fellow posters..its been a pleasure as always..gonna call it a night so hope we all see each other tomorrow..good night all.

Night,Texas.I do that phone thing as well,or think of someone and they show up the next day.Very strange indeed.IMO

[panache]

Thanks so much, Panache.

"Hunkering" down behind their attorneys. It sounds as if he was referring to both Crystal and Ron.

my thought.

Did you catch the date CPS received notice from Kim P? March 17th. Kim said the investigation process takes about 60 days, so perhaps there will be a finding in the next few weeks.

[seeker]

What evidence??? Everything about this case has been hearsay. The police haven't named her a suspect or POI. They have talked about inconsistencies but after hearing her talk I have no doubt they are minor points. The girl comes across as if she is dumber than a box of rocks. She didn'tknow what numerical meant on the 911 call, when asked hair color she replied white and clearly didn't understand what inconsistency meant when asked about it in her last interview.

<bolding mine>

The last I heard, the suspect pool had been reduced from the original "whole world" to those who surround Haleigh. Has there been a new announcement from Law Enforcement?

[panache]

Is it his facial expression and the way he holds his body on the horse?

Yes, I'm know I am picky, picky about Ron, but he looks like he is about to mosey off for a round up, rather than heading out to search for his daughter. This photo was taken four days after his daughter went missing.

moo

[?noanswer]

I've googled my fingers to nubs and found nothing showing he is a bondsman. I've seen "reports" on blogs calling him a bondsman but that's about it.

The only thing I have seen him referred to is a bounty hunter & PI. Bounty Hunters are hired by bondsman to locate people who jump bail. JMO

[seeker]

Did you catch the date CPS received notice from Kim P? March 17th. Kim said the investigation process takes about 60 days, so perhaps there will be a finding in the next few weeks.

It will be good to hear what they have found. It needs to be about the children, and the safety and protection of the children. I am hoping that those looking into all of this are professional and well-trained. No matter what, it is comforting to know that Kim Pacazio is a strong advocate and a woman who appears to never give up, doggedly getting to the truth.

my thoughts.

[panache]

And what if the truth is that there was never any abuse?

That would mean Junior is safe. Something we all hope for.

[?noanswer]

And what if the truth is that there was never any abuse?

I wonder if DCF will call any LE to testify? Also wonder who all KP will call as witnesses. I'm just glad I don't have to be involved in hearing this case and making a judgement. At this point, not knowing anymore than what has been put out in the media, I think I might give them shared custody for 2 weeks at the time, with no child support by either. The only problem they would have to live in the same school jurisdiction. I might also put in a stipulation that this judgement would be reviewed periodically to see how it was working. Course they have so much to deal with, doubt they would want to do anything that would involve them coming back into court. JMO

[seeker]

Well, let me just throw this out there....KP is slinging everything out she has "heard" hoping something will stick.

:thumbdown: KP needs to go back under her rock, but that's the only 'underground' related to her I see...

I am wondering what angers you about Kim Pacazio. Being an attorney who represents those who have been, or are in domestic violence situations, she more than likely knows about this "underground." It is also something that she would not suggest in an outright way, if at all, I would think.

As far as just throwing things out there and hoping they will stick, I see nothing in her words, actions, and demeanor that suggest that she is in any way dishonest. She is used to doing "battle" in one of the worst situations families face, so I can see how she would rub many people the wrong way.

These are my opinions, based upon my particular points of view.

[panache]

I am wondering what angers you about Kim Pacazio. Being an attorney who represents those who have been, or are in domestic violence situations, she more than likely knows about this "underground." It is also something that she would not suggest in an outright way, if at all, I would think.

As far as just throwing things out there and hoping they will stick, I see nothing in her words, actions, and demeanor that suggest that she is in any way dishonest. She is used to doing "battle" in one of the worst situations families face, so I can see how she would rub many people the wrong way.

These are my opinions, based upon my particular points of view.

You do have a way with words. I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

IMO, its not Kim per se that seems to disturb some, but who she is representing. For some reason, it appears there a few who have a strong dislike of Crystal, and have transformed that dislike onto her atty. I haven't seen Kim say or do anything yet that a seasoned atty. wouldn't do for their client.

moo

[titanfan217]

Hi seeker

This might be what that poster was referring to.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh


Um, so RC has no idea why the 2 camps split. Obviously it couldn't have anything to do with something he, his family, or someone connected to his family when he disappeared said.

[Hannah21]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

Some information of interest from the report link above.


Sheffield and her father, Johnny Sheffield, said in court papers that Cummings was an abuser who used and sold illegal drugs and threatened to kill people who offended him. Her father also said Cummings left the children with family members who used drugs.

( my comment to bold section. Everything he said has been proven to be true.)

In a court action, Cummings was given custody of the couple's two children in 2005 because he had a job and could better support the children, a magistrate ruled. Visitation with their mother was not restricted.
(my comment. Crystal said RC was awarded custody because he had a job and she was not employed at the time)

In November, Haleigh was injured in a fall at school that was documented with pictures. But Picazio said later photos the same month show other injuries not connected to the fall.

Kimball said the accusations are false and in a release said the assertion amounts to "slander and libel."

Picazio calls the injuries "two incidents close together."

(my comment - she is stating she has information of abuse that followed the school incident and cause further injury aside from the school play ground injury)

TN took pictures of the injury. Why? Could it be because she knows there was an abuse incident shortly afterward that RC caused.

[seeker]

And what if the truth is that there was never any abuse?

I am always curious to know how it could be proven that there was "never any abuse." I would think that a thorough investigation would include testimony and careful examination of all surrounding people and circumstances. It takes dedication and the relentless pursuit of the truth, in my opinion.

If the truth were that there has been no abuse, this would not be happening. This is based upon my personal belief that the children and some of the women around Ronald Cummings have been abused. (my opinion).

I would think that, if there is a finding of "no abuse," yet Crystal and Kim Pacazio continue to believe that there has been abuse, they will continue to fight for the children's safety.

I would never underestimate the power of the truth and the love of a parent for their children.

My very strong opinions and beliefs.

[calamitygirl]

True but I have the feeling some hope abuse is found so that it will validate Crystal.

From places I've read, I do believe your right. And that is sad to say.

[Hannah21]

I think some are under the misconception that bounty hunters hunt people they have bonded out.

No there is no misconception. He is a bondsman/ bounty hunter. He has to have the bounty hunter license to carry the weapons he is fond of. There is not a law stating that a bondsman cannot be a bounty hunter too.

[Hannah21]

My answers in red. Gee ya think TN took pictures because, as Crystal has admitted, she called DCF on him in the past? I do.

Why would KP lie about it? She has nothing to gain in lying. She must have proof of another abusive action to have made this statement. Otherwise she is taking a serious chance.

[seeker]

True but I have the feeling some hope abuse is found so that it will validate Crystal.

It is very hard for me to imagine ANYBODY would HOPE for a finding of abuse in order to validate anyone. What type of person would hope for that?

I think that all of us here care about the fact that Haleigh is still missing and that, to some of us, there is disturbing evidence that Ron Cummings could very well be an abuser.

What decent human being would want someone's reputation destroyed in order to validate their personal beliefs?

these are my thoughts about this.

[Hannah21]

True but I have the feeling some hope abuse is found so that it will validate Crystal.

No one wants a child to be abused to "validate" Crystal. People want child abusers to be held accountable for their crimes.

[Hannah21]

It is very hard for me to imagine ANYBODY would HOPE for a finding of abuse in order to validate anyone. What type of person would hope for that?

I think that all of us here care about the fact that Haleigh is still missing and that, to some of us, there is disturbing evidence that Ron Cummings could very well be an abuser.

What decent human being would want someone's reputation destroyed in order to validate their personal beliefs?

these are my thoughts about this.

And to add to that, Crystal's father said RC threatens to kill people and we know that is true. It is documented on a 911 call.
So why would anyone question that his complete statement of RC is false giving the known facts of RC and his demeanor.

[seeker]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

Some information of interest from the report link above.


Sheffield and her father, Johnny Sheffield, said in court papers that Cummings was an abuser who used and sold illegal drugs and threatened to kill people who offended him. Her father also said Cummings left the children with family members who used drugs.

( my comment to bold section. Everything he said has been proven to be true.)

In a court action, Cummings was given custody of the couple's two children in 2005 because he had a job and could better support the children, a magistrate ruled. Visitation with their mother was not restricted.
(my comment. Crystal said RC was awarded custody because he had a job and she was not employed at the time)

In November, Haleigh was injured in a fall at school that was documented with pictures. But Picazio said later photos the same month show other injuries not connected to the fall.

Kimball said the accusations are false and in a release said the assertion amounts to "slander and libel."

Picazio calls the injuries "two incidents close together."

(my comment - she is stating she has information of abuse that followed the school incident and cause further injury aside from the school play ground injury)

TN took pictures of the injury. Why? Could it be because she knows there was an abuse incident shortly afterward that RC caused.

Thank You Hannah21 for your research and your insight.

[calamitygirl]

I am wondering what angers you about Kim Pacazio. Being an attorney who represents those who have been, or are in domestic violence situations, she more than likely knows about this "underground." It is also something that she would not suggest in an outright way, if at all, I would think.

As far as just throwing things out there and hoping they will stick, I see nothing in her words, actions, and demeanor that suggest that she is in any way dishonest. She is used to doing "battle" in one of the worst situations families face, so I can see how she would rub many people the wrong way.

These are my opinions, based upon my particular points of view.

I don't have a problem with Kim as long as its for the benefit of children. But when she came on tv with Crystal and the mudslinging begin, thats when I started to think differently.

[Hannah21]

Another thing Ronald said that bothers me is in one interview
Cummings said "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What does that mean? Is it guilt for something he did and regrets. Does he know she is never coming back. That is how that statement is stated.
Otherwise he would have said he would give his life for his child back.

[Hannah21]

Why is Jose Baez saying Casey's innocent? Does he have proof?

and about the abuse stuff.......maybe just maybe Kim's just going by what her client told her. IF they had proof of abuse i'm sure DCF would have taken Jr out of the house by now.


MOO

Crystal in no way whatsoever can be compared to Casey Anthony. Casey's attorney is fighting for Casey's life. It is his job to say those things. Crystal is not on trial for murder and the DP like Casey is.

[panache]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

Some information of interest from the report link above.


Sheffield and her father, Johnny Sheffield, said in court papers that Cummings was an abuser who used and sold illegal drugs and threatened to kill people who offended him. Her father also said Cummings left the children with family members who used drugs.

( my comment to bold section. Everything he said has been proven to be true.)

In a court action, Cummings was given custody of the couple's two children in 2005 because he had a job and could better support the children, a magistrate ruled. Visitation with their mother was not restricted.
(my comment. Crystal said RC was awarded custody because he had a job and she was not employed at the time)

In November, Haleigh was injured in a fall at school that was documented with pictures. But Picazio said later photos the same month show other injuries not connected to the fall.

Kimball said the accusations are false and in a release said the assertion amounts to "slander and libel."

Picazio calls the injuries "two incidents close together."

(my comment - she is stating she has information of abuse that followed the school incident and cause further injury aside from the school play ground injury)

TN took pictures of the injury. Why? Could it be because she knows there was an abuse incident shortly afterward that RC caused.

Hannah

I have previously stated and thought that after the playground injury, there was an episode that caused further injury to Haleigh. I can understand how that particular injury did not get reported as required by law, because it was explained by whoever took Haleigh to the ER that day, that it was caused by the playground mishap. Its all in the timing, IMO, worked out well for Ron.

[?noanswer]

I don't have a problem with Kim as long as its for the benefit of children. But when she came on tv with Crystal and the mudslinging begin, thats when I started to think differently.

That's what I don't like about KP. She is trying her case in the court of public opinion. I think she should have waited. It took the focus off finding Haleigh and put the focus on the salacious side of Putnam Co. Course she did get the other side to reveal their hand when they put all the pictures of the accident from school out there. Time will tell whether she accomplished her goal. JMO

[seeker]

And to add to that, Crystal's father said RC threatens to kill people and we know that is true. It is documented on a 911 call.
So why would anyone question that his complete statement of RC is false giving the known facts of RC and his demeanor.

Yes. And Ron seems to demonstrate all by himself many of the things he was previously and subsequently accused of.

My thoughts and observations of a man who just can't seem to help himself.

[?noanswer]

Another thing Ronald said that bothers me is in one interview
Cummings said "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What does that mean? Is it guilt for something he did and regrets. Does he know she is never coming back. That is how that statement is stated.
Otherwise he would have said he would give his life for his child back.

I don't think it means anything in the scheme of things. You have to remember RC is not a public speaker and when he said this, it was at the very beginning. JMO

[Hannah21]

Yes. And Ron seems to demonstrate all by himself many of the things he was previously and subsequently accused of.

My thoughts and observations of a man who just can't seem to help himself.

My observation of him is he thinks he is above the law because he has gotten away with so much in the past he thinks he can do whatever he wants.

[?noanswer]

My observation of him is he thinks he is above the law because he has gotten away with so much in the past he thinks he can do whatever he wants.


If you look at the record of many of the people in Putnam Co, RC has not gotten away with anymore than the rest. Most have been fined and/or given probation. If they incarcerated them, jails would be overrunning. JMO

[Hannah21]

I don't think it means anything in the scheme of things. You have to remember RC is not a public speaker and when he said this, it was at the very beginning. JMO

Yes it was in the beginning. He appeared down trodden with guilt and remorse. In one interview he was asked if he thought Haleigh is alive, he shakes his head no then he said, "I will believe she is alive until they find her." That speaks to me that he knows where she is and that she is deceased.

[calamitygirl]

You do have a way with words. I always look forward to reading what you have to say.

IMO, its not Kim per se that seems to disturb some, but who she is representing. For some reason, it appears there a few who have a strong dislike of Crystal, and have transformed that dislike onto her atty. I haven't seen Kim say or do anything yet that a seasoned atty. wouldn't do for their client.

moo

Speaking just for myself, I would rather a lawyer do their lawyering in a court room and not on national tv. Mainly because children are involved. I am sure some parents speak in front of children and when children repeat what is heard, they can be cruel sometimes.

[Hannah21]

KP angers me in a lot of ways.

She comes to town to offer help to Crystal.... Then goes on national television to push an agenda she
a) Had no proof of except hearsay.. and then
b) Excuses Crystal's sharing investigation finds on Geraldo using her (just turned) 4 year old son as 'closeness'.
c) Then goes on to offer her "10th grade education excuse" for poor Crystal being uneducated.....so she couldn't help herself.

Bull Ship.

She had to know airing dirty laundry was likely going to hinder the search for Haleigh

She could do a lot of good for Crystal if she wanted to, and hopefully she will if custody goes to Ms Sheffield or not.

She's looking out for numro uno. IMO

Off soap-box

KP wants to help Crystal and she needs that help. If she had an attorney during the custody hearing the children would still be with her but she could not afford an attorney.

It is obvious that she is lacking in education. Most of the family on both sides are. You can tell that by the words they use when speaking in their interviews.

[?noanswer]

KP wants to help Crystal and she needs that help. If she had an attorney during the custody hearing the children would still be with her but she could not afford an attorney.

It is obvious that she is lacking in education. Most of the family on both sides are. You can tell that by the words they use when speaking in their interviews.


Bolding by me. What is good for the goose is good for the gander too. JMO

[Hannah21]

But people wouldn't see her if she was in court only. She's in this for the face time on tv. IMO she wants her one woman office to be bigger.

She used the media to expose RC. That happen after he was bragging about making more money in donations than he did working. He should be exposed to the public. His feel sorry for Ronald pity act can only go so far.

[seeker]

I don't have a problem with Kim as long as its for the benefit of children. But when she came on tv with Crystal and the mudslinging begin, thats when I started to think differently.

Calamitygirl,

"Mudslinging" is one interpretation. Speaking the truth for a greater cause:The Children, could be another interpretation

It is very uncomfortable to hear, but it doesn't negate what these women believe to be true; that the children have been abused, the abuse could be connected to Haleigh's disappearance, and Little Ron is still in danger.

My opinion

[Hannah21]

Bolding by me. What is good for the goose is good for the gander too. JMO

Okay, break that down for me cause I am not up to speed on slang these days.

[Hannah21]

Did you read the custody transcripts? She did have a lawyer.........:blink:

Yes, I did and she did not have an attorney.

[Hannah21]

Oh gesh............. :lol:

You find that hilarious? It is a serious situation that is not in the least funny.

[?noanswer]

Okay, break that down for me cause I am not up to speed on slang these days.

You excuse Crystal for her lack of education, but you won't give Ron a break. Personally, If the children were not happy, I don't think they should be with either parent. But they appear to be happy in pictures that were taken by both sides of the family. JMO

[Hannah21]

Don't you know Ron is a man and held to a different standard. If haleigh had been living with Crystal when she disappeared we'd never hear the lame claim that she went missing on her watch and abuse claims against her would be laughed off the board.

It didn't happen on her watch. And there have not been any abuse allegations against her by anyone. If she were guilty of any abuse of her children that would have been stated even though Haleigh did not disappear on her watch. There have been none stated, not even by RC's camp. Abuse is abuse no matter who is doing it. No one has made that claim against Crystal.

[Hannah21]

When did he claim he make more from donations than he did from work? Oh yeah....that came from Kim right?

No, he bragged about it in the tattoo shop.

[Hannah21]

You excuse Crystal for her lack of education, but you won't give Ron a break. Personally, If the children were not happy, I don't think they should be with either parent. But they appear to be happy in pictures that were taken by both sides of the family. JMO

Most children are happy in pictures. They pose for pictures and love to smile.
I do not excuse Crystal for her lack of education. I don't give Ron a break because IMO he is not being truthful.

[Hannah21]

yes she did and the lawyer appealed the decision.

She did not have an attorney for the first hearing and that was a mistake.

[calamitygirl]

It is very hard for me to imagine ANYBODY would HOPE for a finding of abuse in order to validate anyone. What type of person would hope for that?

I think that all of us here care about the fact that Haleigh is still missing and that, to some of us, there is disturbing evidence that Ron Cummings could very well be an abuser.

What decent human being would want someone's reputation destroyed in order to validate their personal beliefs?

these are my thoughts about this.

IMO, some people want to be right at any cost.

IMO, some people want to win at any cost.

And IMO, people will do whatever, even kill, so they don't lose what they want.

[panache]

ITA..............

IMO if KP should have kept all this abuse stuff out of the media and kept finding Haleigh #1 on tv every night.

The little this has been on TV is because of AH, Cobra and Kim. If not for them, this case would have dried up a month ago. Take a gander at the local media down there. Not one word of print about this case. When was the last time LE made a statement? Thankfully the above three have not forgotten Haleigh.

moo

[Hannah21]

its funny how you twist things.........

Ron said I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her. and then he looked down like he was going to cry. To me that means he can't even say the word dead. I wouldn't be able to say it either :(

I am not twisting what he said he said that. "until they find her"
Why not say " and she is going to be found and brought home"
He has no hope that she is alive. He hasn't from day one because he knows what happen.

[calamitygirl]

And to add to that, Crystal's father said RC threatens to kill people and we know that is true. It is documented on a 911 call.
So why would anyone question that his complete statement of RC is false giving the known facts of RC and his demeanor.

Didn't he allegedly say he witnessed abuse of one of his grandchildren, and never stepped in to stop it? Do I have that right?

[Hannah21]

Do you give Crystal a break for not being truthful?

She has been truthful. And she has been harshly judged for telling the truth yet some people would rather believe Ronald's lies.

[Hannah21]

he believes she's alive and he will not believe she's dead until she's found dead.........don't you get that?

You fail to remember his first reaction to the question was to shake his head no, then he thought better of that and made that statement.

[calamitygirl]

Another thing Ronald said that bothers me is in one interview
Cummings said "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What does that mean? Is it guilt for something he did and regrets. Does he know she is never coming back. That is how that statement is stated.
Otherwise he would have said he would give his life for his child back.

I wouldn't hang my hat on what someone says in a time of stress, panic, excitement, fear, or whatever emotion they are feeling at the time.

[Hannah21]

Crystal said she told the LE and the media there was Nothing bad going on in the house. then she got a lawyer and all that changed. so either she's lying now or she lied then... which is it?

She said she did not know what was going on. That was before witnesses came forth to KP and gave information. KP has an investigator that is working on checking out the information she has received.

[titanfan217]

She did not have an attorney for the first hearing and that was a mistake.

Absolutely. Then you have to convince the court system they made a mistake. And the longer a child has been in a home the less likely they are to fix the problem.

I personally know of a case where DCFS lost the appeal papers and by the time they got around to find them and have a hearing, they admitted there had been no reason to move the foster children, but oops they were in their new home too long to move back to their aunt's home.

[calamitygirl]

Hannah

I have previously stated and thought that after the playground injury, there was an episode that caused further injury to Haleigh. I can understand how that particular injury did not get reported as required by law, because it was explained by whoever took Haleigh to the ER that day, that it was caused by the playground mishap. Its all in the timing, IMO, worked out well for Ron.

Do you think he wanted her to have witnessess to an accident so he can abuse her later?

[JackiBlu]

Yes, I did and she did not have an attorney.

She did get an attorney.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

[Hannah21]

what the heck are you talking about. She said it was LAST SUMMER people started telling her Haleigh was abused........Now again i will ask you did she lie at first about no abuse or is she lying now?

You are twisting her words. She said she did not witness it. When she was with RC he abused her. People told her and she reported it. She has not lied either way.

[Hannah21]

She did get an attorney.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

That was the appeal hearing. First hearing she did not have legal representation.

[teresa]

She has been truthful. And she has been harshly judged for telling the truth yet some people would rather believe Ronald's lies.

Was she being truthful on NG when she said she had not witnessed RC abuse the kids, or two days later on Geraldo when she said she did?

[Hannah21]

Crystal says her cousin tells her Haleigh was beat until she was bleeding last summer, Her father sees the children being abused, she calls DCF and then when she's asked about it on tv she first says theres NO abuse........


amazing.......... :cursing:

That is not what was said. NG did not give her or KP a chance to say much of anything because NG is a ronette and refuses to be fair and impartial.

[Hannah21]

Regardless of what Crystal said or did not say, it does not excuse Ronald Cummings for what is known about him.

[panache]

what the heck are you talking about. She said it was LAST SUMMER people started telling her Haleigh was abused........Now again i will ask you did she lie at first about no abuse or is she lying now?

I think you are mistaken. The relative took that photo in Nov., IIRC. If you have something to offer about *last summer*, could you please furnish us with it.

moo

[calamitygirl]

She used the media to expose RC. That happen after he was bragging about making more money in donations than he did working. He should be exposed to the public. His feel sorry for Ronald pity act can only go so far.

I think the same goes for all the excuses given for Crystal.

[seeker]

That's what I don't like about KP. She is trying her case in the court of public opinion. I think she should have waited. It took the focus off finding Haleigh and put the focus on the salacious side of Putnam Co. Course she did get the other side to reveal their hand when they put all the pictures of the accident from school out there. Time will tell whether she accomplished her goal. JMO

The way I see it, Mrs. Pacazio coming forward for Crystal during the search for Haleigh is, in actuality, a case of life being more than one dimensional.

Haleigh is missing and Crystal is afraid for her son, who still is has contact with Ron. What mother would not, and could not, fight for the safety of both of her children, along different tracks, at the same time. (For those who insist on bringing up Crystal's past sins, RIGHT NOW Crystal is doing what she can, and NOW she has some high-powered, compassionate help).

I have never understood the idea that, in wanting to protect her son that is here, this any way takes away from her desire to find out where her daughter is, and what happened to her. In fact, she has created the Haleighbug center, and that is a big SOMETHING, in my humble opinion. Shes only one, young, traumatized woman. What standard must she live up to?

my thoughts

[titanfan217]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh


TN took pictures of the injury. Why? Could it be because she knows there was an abuse incident shortly afterward that RC caused.

Sniped.

It was a week after the original photos came out, that TN produced her "time-stamped" photos.

It looks like whenever something comes up, it takes 'em awhile to figure out their reply and their "proof".

MOO

[seeker]

Another thing Ronald said that bothers me is in one interview
Cummings said "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”

What does that mean? Is it guilt for something he did and regrets. Does he know she is never coming back. That is how that statement is stated.
Otherwise he would have said he would give his life for his child back.

<my bold>

That was a troubling statement to hear, I thought. Added to many other things he has said and done, a picture seems to emerge of a troubled, violent man.

my opinion

[caphill]

The little this has been on TV is because of AH, Cobra and Kim. If not for them, this case would have dried up a month ago. Take a gander at the local media down there. Not one word of print about this case. When was the last time LE made a statement? Thankfully the above three have not forgotten Haleigh.

moo


How has the mud slinging from these three helped bring any answers to the whereabouts of Haleigh.

[seeker]

The part I bolded is not true.

Undoubtedly, the increasing number of reports has saved thousands of children from harm. However, there have been some rather disturbing side-effects. In 1975, 35 percent of all child abuse reports were unsubstantiated--a percentage that, although high, was perhapsunderstandable given the Mondale Act's emphasis on bringing even suspicions of abuse into the open. But by 1993, the percentage of unsubstantiated reports had reached 66%. And in divorce cases, many experts estimate that between 75 and 80 percent of allegations of child abuse are completely false.

http://home.comcast.net/~neal.feldman/outcntrl.htm

This is one man's opinion (the author). There are myriad studies that would prove your above statements completely false. There are millions of abused people who would prove this study ridiculous and heartless.

my opinion

[?noanswer]

How has the mud slinging from these three helped bring any answers to the whereabouts of Haleigh.


It hasn't. If anything it has taken the focus off Haleigh. Just stop and think what names have been out there for the last couple of weeks. JMO

[panache]

How has the mud slinging from these three helped bring any answers to the whereabouts of Haleigh.

You may call it *mudslinging*. I call it a search for the truth. Tell me what searching was going on before these three came on the scene? Was any progress being made? There hasn't been a physical ground search since the day Ron got married.

[titanfan217]

How has the mud slinging from these three helped bring any answers to the whereabouts of Haleigh.

How has getting a tattoo, getting engaged, getting married, getting fired brought about any answers to the wherabouts of Haleigh?

[panache]

Seems to me Ronald started getting ticked about the same time Crystal started receiving attention. The media attention and visitor attention took away from Ronalds attention and he didn't like that so much. He couldn't control the situation and it was getting to him. Hence all the dumb acts that followed, to drum up attention and the focus back on him. He has a lot of time on his hands these days, I'm scared of what may come next.

moo

My thoughts exactly. It seems, IMO when there is a lull, Ron comes thru with yet another attention grabber.

[seeker]

To me it looked like a heart broken father....

facing the harsh reality of his child's immortality for a split second

.....when an insensitive reporter or show host asked a stupid question of a father who would give his life to have an answer.

He did choose to be interviewed. If he didn't want to speak and be shown on camera for all the world to see he could have refused. He didn't refuse. He spoke and we listened. And watched.

my thoughts on that

[seeker]

IMO, some people want to be right at any cost.

IMO, some people want to win at any cost.

And IMO, people will do whatever, even kill, so they don't lose what they want.

Yes, I guess there are people like that.

[Themis]

Doesn't Teresa Neves work for a judge?

This time around will be a lot different, imo.

moo
I read way back when that ... Teresa Neves worked as a dispatcher in the sheriff's office in Alachua County.

I have not seen it written that she is a 911 dispatcher. Perhaps there are dispatchers other than 911 types; am not familiar with how sheriff departments are organized in Florida.

Since I do not have the link handy will just say this is what I recall.

[Themis]

Last week and this afternoon I was checking in at Ron Cumming's attorney's website, which is dedicated to the disappearance of Haleigh and their representation of her father, Ron.

The site has been rehabbed, but some mistakes are still there, including words overlapping words, making it difficult to read. It's good to see that they finally corrected her description on the home page, but not on the page with Haleigh's photos.

What is troubling is that, the way it is now set up, if you were to just click on the box entitled "Haleigh's Pictures" you are taken to photographs and her description and when she went missing:

(my underlining and bolding)

"Haleigh was last seen between the hours of 8pm and 10pm at her Satsuma home, located in the Hermitt's Cove section of Putnam County. She is described as a white female, approximately 39 pounds and 3 foot 9 inches tall. She is five years old, has blond hair and blue eyes."

The "album cover" for photos is the picture of Haleigh, eyes closed, holding an infant. On the home page her description is correct, yet they say she was last seen "in the evening hours." Just kind of troubling that everything does not match up, especially because the conflicting information makes it difficult to identify her and it is unclear when she was last seen. "Evening hours" is open to interpretation, depending upon each person's idea of "evening."

On the Home Page, on the left is the following announcement:

"Coming Soon!

See Haleigh's Dad Speak Out Via Video!"

There's also a streaming banner running across the top saying basically the same thing.

Just some observations and some things to wonder about.

These are my thoughts and opinions only.

http://www.findhaleighnow.com/
I agree with Viking; that website is very poorly done. At best an amateurish job. The fact that a law firm would approve it for content and appearance indicates either a lack of professionalism or ignorance of what a good website looks like. Not good on either account. [JMO * Themis]

[seeker]

Didn't he allegedly say he witnessed abuse of one of his grandchildren, and never stepped in to stop it? Do I have that right?

Where has it been reported that he didn't step in to stop it? He submitted a declaration to the judge, regarding the same. Domestic violence within the family and trying to get help can be the endeavor of a lifetime, to put it mildly. That is my opinion.

[titanfan217]

Doesn't Teresa Neves work for a judge?

This time around will be a lot different, imo.

moo

I doubt it. I expect it will be something like they have found incidents that were questionable, however, they do not have enough proof to remove a child from his home at this time. They might also include something not wanting any additional major changes to the child's environment especially if they are still living with GGM.

There's a big difference between knowing there's been abuse and proving it legally.

[Themis]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-05/story/family_feud_takes_focus_off_search_for_haleigh

Some information of interest from the report link above.


Sheffield and her father, Johnny Sheffield, said in court papers that Cummings was an abuser who used and sold illegal drugs and threatened to kill people who offended him. Her father also said Cummings left the children with family members who used drugs.

( my comment to bold section. Everything he said has been proven to be true.)

In a court action, Cummings was given custody of the couple's two children in 2005 because he had a job and could better support the children, a magistrate ruled. Visitation with their mother was not restricted.
(my comment. Crystal said RC was awarded custody because he had a job and she was not employed at the time)

In November, Haleigh was injured in a fall at school that was documented with pictures. But Picazio said later photos the same month show other injuries not connected to the fall.

Kimball said the accusations are false and in a release said the assertion amounts to "slander and libel."

Picazio calls the injuries "two incidents close together."

(my comment - she is stating she has information of abuse that followed the school incident and cause further injury aside from the school play ground injury)

TN took pictures of the injury. Why? Could it be because she knows there was an abuse incident shortly afterward that RC caused.
So, Johnny Sheffied, father of Crystal, stated in his affidavit of January 2006: "... that Cummings left the children with family members who used drugs."

My question: Which family members? And, why did Johnny Sheffield not name them for the record for the Magistrate's benefit?
Family members would include but not be limited to:
Ronald's father, Lester Jack Cummings; his mother, Teresa Neves; sister, Crystal Cummings, his own grandmother, Annette Sykes.

[JMO * Themis]

[titanfan217]

My thoughts exactly. It seems, IMO when there is a lull, Ron comes thru with yet another attention grabber.


As JVM said, it's a soap opera, it will be continued.

But why do I think the video "promised" on his attorney's website is going to be a disappointment?

[panache]

I doubt it. I expect it will be something like they have found incidents that were questionable, however, they do not have enough proof to remove a child from his home at this time. They might also include something not wanting any additional major changes to the child's environment especially if they are still living with GGM.

There's a big difference between knowing there's been abuse and proving it legally.

How long will GGM put up with Ron and his new bride living off her is the question. Ron, at the moment has no income.

moo

[Themis]

was Crystal allowed to leave the children with Chad?

Was Crystal Sheffield with Chad in January 2006?

[titanfan217]

I disagree Titan, respectfully. I think this time around will be much different as they will take into consideration who RC's new childbride is. They will also take into consideration Chad, but depending on how that situation turns out, remains to be heard. At best, Crystal now lives in Satsuma and I'm sure it's her intention or it will be her intention to remain there, imo. If KP and company do not go absolutely crazy on the fact that Ronald is now married and living with the last person who saw Haleigh, I will be surprised. I think that is the ace of the case as well as other evidence we have not heard about.

Either way, it will be interesting to see what develops in the next few weeks.

moo



I hope you're right but I don't want to get my hopes up.

[panache]

What are you talking about?
Crystal said all this 2 days after Haleigh was missing..


GRACE: Was there any problem? Were there any tensions in the home that you knew of?

SHEFFIELD: No.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/12/ng.01.html

Personally I think it was a dumb question for NG to ask of Crystal. How would she have any knowledge of any tension in Ron's house?


Perhaps NG should have asked LE that question. Didn't they say they were familar with that residence and had responded to calls there? I seem to recall reading that somewhere.

moo

[titanfan217]

How long will GGM put up with Ron and his new bride living off her is the question. Ron, at the moment has no income.

moo


I've been through it more times than I can count, and bottom line is when there are grandchildren, you just do it.

[Themis]

How long will GGM put up with Ron and his new bride living off her is the question. Ron, at the moment has no income.

moo
$64 question! JMO, but the house where the wedding took place did not look all that big to me. She's 64, as I recall, assumed to be retired. Must be a major lifestyle change when you live alone and then all of a sudden you have your grandson, his new wife, and a 4 year old boy living with you 24/7.

[Themis]

How long will GGM put up with Ron and his new bride living off her is the question. Ron, at the moment has no income.

moo
Assuming that Annette Sykes is still enamored of her new grand daughter-in-law, backs up both Misty and Ronald 100% she may be willing to do so for quite a few months.
Junior may be eligible for a Head Start Program or something of that nature. Also a real possibility his day care would be subsized by county, state, or federal funded program(s).
As I posted several days ago, Ronald and Misty should both be out looking for jobs.
Florida's minimum for 2009 is $7.21/hour for 'non-tip' jobs.
They can both go to school in the evenings -- to get their GED; learn a skill or trade so they can both become productive citizens. [JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

What does that really have to do with Haleigh?
and is that really our business?
FallenAngel: It has as much to do with Haleigh as you asking just now (post 329):

"wasn't Crystals sister in a fight with someone?"

[JMO * Themis]

P.S. Have a good evening, FA.

[panache]

What does that really have to do with Haleigh?
and is that really our business?

I was responding to a poster who said CPS's would be reluctant to remove a child from a home he had grown accoustomed to. My reply was to that statement. We don't know how Gma Sykes feels about her new guests and how long she would welcome it.

moo

[seeker]

Same for Crystal. There is NO excuse for a mother to tell a Judge she was just too LAZY to get out of bed and take her sick child to the dr. MOO

Would she be a better person had she lied to a judge in a court of law? To me, and I think to others, this is an example of her inherent honesty. She spoke the truth to the judge even though it would make her look bad.

I would imagine he was quite moved by that, if a bit taken aback. She is unusually honest. For that she has gained many people's respect, including mine.

[seeker]

Ddid he call 911 and report the "abuse"?
I don't know.

[cat3]

Assuming that Annette Sykes is still enamored of her new grand daughter-in-law, backs up both Misty and Ronald 100% she may be willing to do so for quite a few months.
Junior may be eligible for a Head Start Program or something of that nature. Also a real possibility his day care would be subsized by county, state, or federal funded program(s).
As I posted several days ago, Ronald and Misty should both be out looking for jobs.
Florida's minimum for 2009 is $7.21/hour for 'non-tip' jobs.
They can both go to school in the evenings -- to get their GED; learn a skill or trade so they can both become productive citizens. [JMO * Themis]

Themis,do you think Crystal should also be out looking for a job? IMO

[cat3]

Would she be a better person had she lied to a judge in a court of law? To me, and I think to others, this is an example of her inherent honesty. She spoke the truth to the judge even though it would make her look bad.

I would imagine he was quite moved by that, if a bit taken aback. She is unusually honest. For that she has gained many people's respect, including mine.


I wonder how far Crystal was willing to take the false report about the stolen car.If she hadn't admitted the truth it could have gone as far as court.So much for the theory that she isn't willing to lie in a court of law.IMO

[panache]

Themis,do you think Crystal should also be out looking for a job? IMO

I doubt Crystal's problems with seizures at the moment would enhance her changes of finding employment, do you?

[cat3]

I doubt Crystal's problems with seizures at the moment would enhance her changes of finding employment, do you?

I don't know.I had forgotten about the seizures.I would think that having seizures wouldn't prohibit you from doing some sort of work if you were so inclined.IMO

[seeker]

seeker, this man's arrest records proves to me he NEVER saw abuse to his daughter or his grandchildren. This is a man that would not even hesitate to beat the he** out of Ron if he thought for one minute he abused these children or his daughter.
I am sure Ron also knew this and knew NOT to abuse his daughter or their children. MOO
Evening, Bam Bam,

As far as I know none of us know what has transpired between Crystal's Dad and Ronald Cummings, then or now. Everything doesn't make it into the news and everything is not always reported to the police; sometimes incident reports are not written up even when the police are called and come on scene. We do know he signed an affidavit for the court, on behalf of Crystal and his grandchildren.

Beyond that documentated fact, I just think that we don't know.

[panache]

and when she was given the chance to do something right she told the Judge NO....


ok i'm off to go make brownies...............

For Baez?? JK.

[panache]

And her health (seizures) will also be taken into consideration in a custody change Is the stress going to be to much for her to handle two small children? The judge is going to want to see proof that she can. MOO

I'm sure this time around Ron will have to produce more than just his word. This time I look forward to a level playing field.

JMO

[panache]

Hi,seeker, If there was any fighting between these two I do believe Ron would have had to make a trip to the ER. I think a man who has as many assault charges against him would put a hurtin' on Ron. No doubt in my mind. This man was involved in dog fighting, gambling. Really a dangerous man if anyone crossed him. Nope, no one will ever convince me that he would stand back and allow anyone abuse his daughter and grandchildren.
I can not see that happening.
Hope your week end was a nice one.:wink:

Um, if I'm not mistaken wasn't there a dog fighting charge on Ron's record?

moo

[cat3]

I'm sure this time around Ron will have to produce more than just his word. This time I look forward to a level playing field.

JMO

IIRC,Ron had more than just his words.He had a job and was able to produce test results that showed he was clean as far as drugs.

How level will this playing field be? I think with all the rumours started by Picazio and continued by AH,Cobra,and others will surely sway child protective services.Can you imagine if they decided that Ron Jr should stay with RC.Most of the public would have a fit.I think Picazio counted on this and that is why she went public with her allegations of abuse.IMO

[panache]

Not that I have ever seen...

I stand corrected. I just checked Ron's record and it was *Wildlife Alert*. Something about attempting to catch a deer.

[panache]

do you have a link? i never saw that either. Thanks

Sorry, I just deleted the link as Ron's court record was posted on WS and i realized it might not be something I should post here.

If you tyoe in Ron's name with a %, this should give you his Putnam County record.

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/clkmain.asp

[Squidward]

do you have a link? i never saw that either. Thanks

I saw it was posted and then vanished, but here:

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/clkmain.asp

type in %Cummings

it's on the list somewhere

[panache]

I saw it was posted and then vanished, but here:

http://www1.putnam-fl.com/live/clkmain.asp

type in %Cummings

it's on the list somewhere

I had to remove it. Didn't want to break any rules. Glad you found it.

[Squidward]

thank you but i found it. and i found Crystals, and her parents and chads. pretty amazing stuff.

i wish the state would take about ALL these children from these horrible people :(

it is really amazing that every name mentioned in this case has some sort of criminal record in their past, cept Misty and that's probably only because she's still a minor. :sad:

[Squidward]

I had to remove it. Didn't want to break any rules. Glad you found it.

gottcha, I'm not sure if we can link to other forums, I thought I was loosing my mind for a second LOL

[Squidward]

and she might have a record but it's sealed.

i wonder does RC's mom TN have a rap sheet.

all I've found is:

NEVES, TERESA S
Alias

Date # Docket Description
1999-04-01 1 COMPLAINT: KATRINA SYKES HARASSING PHONE CALLS
1999-05-11 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION

[Squidward]

I think whatever calls she was making probably have something to do with GGM Sykes record:

Defendant
SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2001-09-21 1 COMPLAINT KATRINA BELCHER HARASSING PHONE CALLS
2001-11-28 2 INFORMATION HARASSING TELEPHONE CALLS
2001-12-05 3 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT BY SHERIFF'S SERVICE (01/22/2002)
2001-12-11 4 NOTICE RETURNED EXECUTED
2002-01-22 5 ARR MINUTES: DEFT NOT PRESENT
2002-01-22 5 CAPIAS ORDERED - NOT ISSUED
2002-01-23 6 MEMO: DEFT'S SPOUSE HOSPICE PATIENT & COULD NOT APPEAR
2002-01-23 7 ARRAIGNMENT MINUTES: COURT ORDERED CASE CONTINUED
2002-01-23 7 TO NEXT ARRAIGNMENT 02/26/2002
2002-01-24 8 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (02-26-2002)
2002-02-26 9 ARR MIN: DEFT PRES, ADJ INS P D APPT (DEBORAH STAFFORD)
2002-02-26 9 ARR ENT PLEA OF NOT GUILTY - PRE TRIAL SET 04/03/2002
2002-02-26 10 AFFIDAVIT
2002-02-26 10 ORDER OF INDIGENCY AND ORDER AS TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER
2002-02-26 10 $40.00 APPLICATION FEE IMPOSED
2002-02-26 11 PRE-TRIAL ORDER (04-03-2002)
2002-04-03 12 PRE TRIAL MINUTES: ON MOTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA
2002-04-03 12 THE CASE WAS ORDERED NOLLE PROSEQUI IN OPEN COURT
2002-04-03 12 PD APPLICATION FEE SUSPENDED
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Defendant
SYKES, DOROTHY ANNETTE
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2008-04-09 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO D/S ROBERT NELSON (4/2/08)
2008-04-09 1 INTERFERENCE OF CHILD CUSTODY
2008-04-30 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL COUNTS

[redgurl]

Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. I went on the putnam county court page then I clicked on online inquiry system,and from there putnam criminal dockets then I typed in the name and I am coming up with nothing. What am I doing wrong:confused:

[Squidward]

Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. I went on the putnam county court page then I clicked on online inquiry system,and from there putnam criminal dockets then I typed in the name and I am coming up with nothing. What am I doing wrong:confused:

try typing: (name)%
example: Sheffield% or Cummings%

[redgurl]

Thanks Squidward :thumbsup:

[Squidward]

what does this mean?

VIOLATION OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUCTION

I think it mean that there was a protection order or something in place like person x can't go within 500 feet of person y, I think this means person x did whatever it was the order said not to do.

[Squidward]

I found that under Crystals name. makes no sense to me.......but then again i've never been arrested so i don't know how this works.


neither have I, and most of the legal stuff doesn't make much sense to me either, I've had to use google a lot since following this case LOL

YW redgurl

[Squidward]

Art has a new post up


Exclusive: Haleigh Cummings—-Dad’s Solid Alibi?


http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/#more-1731

Thanks FA! that was interesting

[redgurl]

i just read on Art Harris a post claiming they heard on their scanner someone from Haleighbug called EMS because a 22 yr old had a seizure. Post # 96 under the the Amber and nay nay pics.