Friday, 4/24/09

[Scampi]

Good morning everyone. Let this be the day Haleigh comes home alive and well.

[beachpatty]

Good morning everyone. Let this be the day Haleigh comes home alive and well.


hi scamp,
good mornin to you, thanx for the thread :)
i pray today is today, too!
beach

[Texas48]

Good morning everyone. Let this be the day Haleigh comes home alive and well.Good morning scampi..Ty for getting everyone started for the day..I am usually up early but I will admitt I have no clue how to start a thread..Been posting for 4 years now and never learned..quess someone always did it so I never learned..Is that lazy or what? Course it may be that if I tried the entire system might go down...lol..Do so hope there may be some *good* news today..just a little ray of hope..for Haleigh. :wub:
and good morning to ALL fellow posters.

[Texas48]

Good morning to you, both, hoping against hope that we will finally have some news today about Haleigh. I was disappointed to see JVM did not even touch on her case last night.good morning X..madame...I like using the name *madame*..I think thats classy...I was extra tired last night but caught most of the shows and did not hear Haleigh's name at all..I was expecting a followup since the night before had interesting findings. but....not a word. very sad. Lets not give up hope..maybe today is the day...

[titanfan217]

Morning everyone -- not quite up to the good part yet.

2 little tots spent the night with me, and their definition of an alarm clock is themselves when it's not dark out anymore.

Hope, wherever Haleigh is, she's seeing a big sun, not dark any more.

[Texas48]

Morning everyone -- not quite up to the good part yet.

2 little tots spent the night with me, and their definition of an alarm clock is themselves when it's not dark out anymore.

Hope, wherever Haleigh is, she's seeing a big sun, not dark any more.that is such a nice thought titan..Ya know..I was doing alot of thinking last night and even if we all have different thoughts..opinions..ways of expressing ourselves..the common thread in us all is a little girl that is lost and needs to be found and returned..a little girl with her entire life ahead of her..so many wounderful things to experience..a little girl with the name of *Haleigh.*

[?noanswer]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx


Finally a little information, but at least one inconsistency between the written word and the video. The article says 35,000 tips and the video says 3,500, which is probably correct. Also they are showing LP's picture when they are talking about Cobra! JMO

[MoonFlwr]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx


Finally a little information, but at least one inconsistency between the written word and the video. The article says 35,000 tips and the video says 3,500, which is probably correct. Also they are showing LP's picture when they are talking about Cobra! JMO

rofl! At least we know what's going on!

[Scampi]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx


Finally a little information, but at least one inconsistency between the written word and the video. The article says 35,000 tips and the video says 3,500, which is probably correct. Also they are showing LP's picture when they are talking about Cobra! JMO

Thank you ?noanswer for finding some article about the case, I couldn't find a thing. This part of the article has me concerned:

"There is still a lot of inconsistencies that we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can get to the bottom of it," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Why are people inconsistent (IMO that's an euphemism for lying) about the disappearance of Haleigh? I think it's because they are hiding something. But, it's good to know they still have many detectives following up leads.

[?noanswer]

I wonder why I keep coming back to the board. I am beginning to understand what LE is up against. It seems most of the players in this saga are quite familar with dealing with LE. Most of them end up with fines/probation, but not much time behind bars. I'm beginning to think this is a payback/revenge type of disappearance. The last few days has been very revealing as to the players in this saga. It has begun to look like a bad soap opera, rather than a darling little girl name Haleigh being missing. Sure hope something breaks soon. JMO

[?noanswer]

Thank you ?noanswer for finding some article about the case, I couldn't find a thing. This part of the article has me concerned:

"There is still a lot of inconsistencies that we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can get to the bottom of it," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Why are people inconsistent (IMO that's an euphemism for lying) about the disappearance of Haleigh? I think it's because they are hiding something. But, it's good to know they still have many detectives following up leads.

I can't take credit for finding this. Someone posted it toward the end of yesterday's thread. JMO

[?noanswer]

Thank you ?noanswer for finding some article about the case, I couldn't find a thing. This part of the article has me concerned:

"There is still a lot of inconsistencies that we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can get to the bottom of it," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Why are people inconsistent (IMO that's an euphemism for lying) about the disappearance of Haleigh? I think it's because they are hiding something. But, it's good to know they still have many detectives following up leads.

It seems some of the players in this saga think this is a game. That's why I think it could be a payback/revenge abduction. There seems to be a lot of anomosity between some of the peripheral players. If it is a revenge/payback abduction, I just hope they still have Haleigh and are taking care of her. Maybe LE is working under the theory "Give them enough rope and they will hang themself". JMO

[Texas48]

I wonder why I keep coming back to the board. I am beginning to understand what LE is up against. It seems most of the players in this saga are quite familar with dealing with LE. Most of them end up with fines/probation, but not much time behind bars. I'm beginning to think this is a payback/revenge type of disappearance. The last few days has been very revealing as to the players in this saga. It has begun to look like a bad soap opera, rather than a darling little girl name Haleigh being missing. Sure hope something breaks soon. JMOthis has been my theory from the first starting w/the 911 call...Paybacks...revenge. It all goes back to that call and what Ron said..That was his first thought IMO...and good morning to you.

[Texas48]

It seems some of the players in this saga think this is a game. That's why I think it could be a payback/revenge abduction. There seems to be a lot of anomosity between some of the peripheral players. If it is a revenge/payback abduction, I just hope they still have Haleigh and are taking care of her. Maybe LE is working under the theory "Give them enough rope and they will hang themself". JMOI agree..maybe whoever has kept her safe but what scares me is..whoever it was that took her and *keeping* her has to know they are in a heap of trouble cause NO matter what they will be charged with KIDNAPPING...alot of years behind bars..kwim?

[Motomom]

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx


Finally a little information, but at least one inconsistency between the written word and the video. The article says 35,000 tips and the video says 3,500, which is probably correct. Also they are showing LP's picture when they are talking about Cobra! JMO

At least they are still doing something and interviews.. Wonder what other inconsistencies there are and if they are still Misty's inconsistencies or someone elses.

I didn't watch the video, just the the article but the inconsistencies with the media from the getgo of this case irritates the heck out of me. Even the little misspellings in the articles bug me.. all about being first to air the story IMO.

[Motomom]

Thank you ?noanswer for finding some article about the case, I couldn't find a thing. This part of the article has me concerned:

"There is still a lot of inconsistencies that we've been having to deal with and we're just trying to get the truth out of everybody so we can get to the bottom of it," said Lt. Johnny Greenwood.

Why are people inconsistent (IMO that's an euphemism for lying) about the disappearance of Haleigh? I think it's because they are hiding something. But, it's good to know they still have many detectives following up leads.

I would be as accurate as possible if a child were missing and I was being questioned. I dont know why or with whom (besides misty) the inconsistencies are with. makes it sound like more than one person. Also, people close to the family were interviewed.. so who is that I wonder and if THOSE people are giving inconsistent statements.

[Motomom]

I wonder why I keep coming back to the board. I am beginning to understand what LE is up against. It seems most of the players in this saga are quite familar with dealing with LE. Most of them end up with fines/probation, but not much time behind bars. I'm beginning to think this is a payback/revenge type of disappearance. The last few days has been very revealing as to the players in this saga. It has begun to look like a bad soap opera, rather than a darling little girl name Haleigh being missing. Sure hope something breaks soon. JMO

Noanswer, I sense alot of conniving with some of the players. Who in their right mind is like that when a little girl is gone.

[Motomom]

If that's what happened, guys, I don't see much hope that she is still alive, do you?

Depends on who took her I think. Then again it's been so long now. I "feel" like she is alive. I just don't know what to think at this point.

[Pat]

Back in the early days of this case, I seem to recall some statement by LE directed at possible extended family members to the effect bring her back because the consequences of not doing so would be harsh. Does anyone remember this?

I like to hold out hope it is an extended family member caught up in the custody dispute and that Haleigh will be found.

If LE didn't "really" indicate to the reporter that LE are "holding out hope", that is a cruel issue to even address in the news report.

How many think it is the typical "feel good" throw-away remark to keep up viewer interest?

[Hannah21]

If that's what happened, guys, I don't see much hope that she is still alive, do you?


Sadly, no I don't. She has been missing too long.

[Motomom]

Back in the early days of this case, I seem to recall some statement by LE directed at possible extended family members to the effect bring her back because the consequences of not doing so would be harsh. Does anyone remember this?

I like to hold out hope it is an extended family member caught up in the custody dispute and that Haleigh will be found.

If LE didn't "really" indicate to the reporter that LE are "holding out hope", that is a cruel issue to even address in the news report.

How many think it is the typical "feel good" throw-away remark to keep up viewer interest?

Morning Pat. I don't remember that about the extended family comments. I do remember at least Ron (I think) saying in the very beginning that it was NOT a custody issue. Maybe he said that at that time because he didn't want rumors to be spread about Crytal, or people looking in the wrong direction. If Misty was really out on a binge the weekend before, maybe something more happened there and that's where the revenge thoughts come in? I would hope that LE has that information though. Could it have started out as a game, a sick joke.. hear me out for a minute. Say what is said about Misty is true, she was out.. say that amber and naynay or whoever wanted to prove to Ron just how unfit Misty was to have around the children came in, knowing Misty wouldn't have a clue, and snatched up Haleigh, not realizing (face it alot of these people just aren't right IMO) the severity of such a "game".. and it goes to far. People are scared, have her in hiding or the God awful alternative because now they realize the trouble that they are in.. I know it's a bit out there, but it just came to me so I figured I'd share it. Also, I've felt from early on that someone younger had her and she was alive. I dont' know why I felt that (I'm not a psychic or anything). Not sure if it was because we are dealing with young parents.. and more so Misty who is young or what.. just has been a feelign I have had.

[Texas48]

If that's what happened, guys, I don't see much hope that she is still alive, do you?Your right X..so...lets not think that way then..too many theories for me..they just keep going round and round in the pea brain..

[Pat]

Depends on who took her I think. Then again it's been so long now. I "feel" like she is alive. I just don't know what to think at this point.


I feel the same way...depends on who took her and why. If LE only mean they are re-questioning Misty and/or Ron when they say they are re-questioning "family members", I wish they'd just come out and say so. Why let the cloud of suspicion hang over all of them?

Same goes if it is Crystal's family.

I still do not believe Crystal or Ron had a thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I'm not sure about Misty, but feel Ron would have turned her in on the spot if he thought she did.

[Hannah21]

this has been my theory from the first starting w/the 911 call...Paybacks...revenge. It all goes back to that call and what Ron said..That was his first thought IMO...and good morning to you.

In bold - that's right and he immediately started talking about killing the person if he finds them first. And he still did not tell the truth about anything. If he had told the responding officers the truth that night, Haleigh may be at home now.

[ALIAS]

Morning Pat. I don't remember that about the extended family comments. I do remember at least Ron (I think) saying in the very beginning that it was NOT a custody issue. Maybe he said that at that time because he didn't want rumors to be spread about Crytal, or people looking in the wrong direction. If Misty was really out on a binge the weekend before, maybe something more happened there and that's where the revenge thoughts come in? I would hope that LE has that information though. Could it have started out as a game, a sick joke.. hear me out for a minute. Say what is said about Misty is true, she was out.. say that amber and naynay or whoever wanted to prove to Ron just how unfit Misty was to have around the children came in, knowing Misty wouldn't have a clue, and snatched up Haleigh, not realizing (face it alot of these people just aren't right IMO) the severity of such a "game".. and it goes to far. People are scared, have her in hiding or the God awful alternative because now they realize the trouble that they are in.. I know it's a bit out there, but it just came to me so I figured I'd share it. Also, I've felt from early on that someone younger had her and she was alive. I dont' know why I felt that (I'm not a psychic or anything). Not sure if it was because we are dealing with young parents.. and more so Misty who is young or what.. just has been a feelign I have had.


This could very well be true, because IMO NONE of these people are actually what I would call normal, right, or mainstream.

I believe that Haleigh is deceased and that none of this would have happened if those children were in any kind of a stable normal homelife in the first place.

Now, Haleigh needs to be brought back to the home that she knew, The home that knew her, to a place where what she knew as love existed for her.

If by some miracle she is alive, I hope that she is found and put in a home suitable for a young growing girl.

[Texas48]

Morning Pat. I don't remember that about the extended family comments. I do remember at least Ron (I think) saying in the very beginning that it was NOT a custody issue. Maybe he said that at that time because he didn't want rumors to be spread about Crytal, or people looking in the wrong direction. If Misty was really out on a binge the weekend before, maybe something more happened there and that's where the revenge thoughts come in? I would hope that LE has that information though. Could it have started out as a game, a sick joke.. hear me out for a minute. Say what is said about Misty is true, she was out.. say that amber and naynay or whoever wanted to prove to Ron just how unfit Misty was to have around the children came in, knowing Misty wouldn't have a clue, and snatched up Haleigh, not realizing (face it alot of these people just aren't right IMO) the severity of such a "game".. and it goes to far. People are scared, have her in hiding or the God awful alternative because now they realize the trouble that they are in.. I know it's a bit out there, but it just came to me so I figured I'd share it. Also, I've felt from early on that someone younger had her and she was alive. I dont' know why I felt that (I'm not a psychic or anything). Not sure if it was because we are dealing with young parents.. and more so Misty who is young or what.. just has been a feelign I have had.
really good thoughts mom and worth thinking about..This is what I posted yesterday about Amber and Nay Nay..maybe started with a joke....that went wrong..? Hate to point fingers at these young women but its only another thought to ponder..jmo

[Hannah21]

Morning Pat. I don't remember that about the extended family comments. I do remember at least Ron (I think) saying in the very beginning that it was NOT a custody issue. Maybe he said that at that time because he didn't want rumors to be spread about Crytal, or people looking in the wrong direction. If Misty was really out on a binge the weekend before, maybe something more happened there and that's where the revenge thoughts come in? I would hope that LE has that information though. Could it have started out as a game, a sick joke.. hear me out for a minute. Say what is said about Misty is true, she was out.. say that amber and naynay or whoever wanted to prove to Ron just how unfit Misty was to have around the children came in, knowing Misty wouldn't have a clue, and snatched up Haleigh, not realizing (face it alot of these people just aren't right IMO) the severity of such a "game".. and it goes to far. People are scared, have her in hiding or the God awful alternative because now they realize the trouble that they are in.. I know it's a bit out there, but it just came to me so I figured I'd share it. Also, I've felt from early on that someone younger had her and she was alive. I dont' know why I felt that (I'm not a psychic or anything). Not sure if it was because we are dealing with young parents.. and more so Misty who is young or what.. just has been a feelign I have had.

That is possible. I read on Art's page that Cobra thinks NayNay and Amber are the key to the case in as far as getting the time line down that Misty keeps lying about.

[Pat]

Morning Pat. I don't remember that about the extended family comments. I do remember at least Ron (I think) saying in the very beginning that it was NOT a custody issue. Maybe he said that at that time because he didn't want rumors to be spread about Crytal, or people looking in the wrong direction. If Misty was really out on a binge the weekend before, maybe something more happened there and that's where the revenge thoughts come in? I would hope that LE has that information though. Could it have started out as a game, a sick joke.. hear me out for a minute. Say what is said about Misty is true, she was out.. say that amber and naynay or whoever wanted to prove to Ron just how unfit Misty was to have around the children came in, knowing Misty wouldn't have a clue, and snatched up Haleigh, not realizing (face it alot of these people just aren't right IMO) the severity of such a "game".. and it goes to far. People are scared, have her in hiding or the God awful alternative because now they realize the trouble that they are in.. I know it's a bit out there, but it just came to me so I figured I'd share it. Also, I've felt from early on that someone younger had her and she was alive. I dont' know why I felt that (I'm not a psychic or anything). Not sure if it was because we are dealing with young parents.. and more so Misty who is young or what.. just has been a feelign I have had.

Interesting theory, Mom.

With these drug addled young people, who knows what their thought processes could be. Every time I see any of them I think of that old anti-drug commercial with the egg in the frying pan, "This is your brain on drugs".

Your theory is as good as any, and if Haleigh is still alive, certainly more palpable than the SO theory.

[Motomom]

I feel the same way...depends on who took her and why. If LE only mean they are re-questioning Misty and/or Ron when they say they are re-questioning "family members", I wish they'd just come out and say so. Why let the cloud of suspicion hang over all of them?

Same goes if it is Crystal's family.

I still do not believe Crystal or Ron had a thing to do with Haleigh going missing. I'm not sure about Misty, but feel Ron would have turned her in on the spot if he thought she did.

Pat I'm with you there. I thought they said people "close to the family" were interviewed or reinterviewed. Not necessarily the "family" I'll go reread it though. So would they consider Misty part of the family now or not? We know Misty has inconsistencies, but sounds like someone else does too. We know from early LE said they were satisfied with Ron's statements too. We know none of them have officially passed or failed a LDT. I also agree.. leaving this cloud of suspicion over the entire family leads me to believe that they aren't ruled out yet, none of them. so hmmm.. I also think keep your friends close and enemies closer.. Ron needs to keep Misty around until they find out what happened to Haleigh. I also do not think Crystal or Ron had anything to do with her disappearance and still wonder about Misty.

[Hannah21]

really good thoughts mom and worth thinking about..This is what I posted yesterday about Amber and Nay Nay..maybe started with a joke....that went wrong..? Hate to point fingers at these young women but its only another thought to ponder..jmo

IF that is the case, how have they kept her hidden this long? And where? People in that small town like to talk and if they did something like that somebody would know it and tell it by now. At least I hope they would. WBGreg would have spilled it in his interview if he knew anything.

[Texas48]

In bold - that's right and he immediately started talking about killing the person if he finds them first. And he still did not tell the truth about anything. If he had told the responding officers the truth that night, Haleigh may be at home now.You could be very right Hannah..I wounder what was in the note Ron gave to LE? Maybe a list of *possible* names/suspects? All quesses on my part..just throwing stuff out there..

[Texas48]

This could very well be true, because IMO NONE of these people are actually what I would call normal, right, or mainstream.

I believe that Haleigh is deceased and that none of this would have happened if those children were in any kind of a stable normal homelife in the first place.

Now, Haleigh needs to be brought back to the home that she knew, The home that knew her, to a place where what she knew as love existed for her.

If by some miracle she is alive, I hope that she is found and put in a home suitable for a young growing girl.SAD and an excellent post.

[Texas48]

IF that is the case, how have they kept her hidden this long? And where? People in that small town like to talk and if they did something like that somebody would know it and tell it by now. At least I hope they would. WBGreg would have spilled it in his interview if he knew anything.
very true Hannah..I was just throwing thoughts around..

[Motomom]

really good thoughts mom and worth thinking about..This is what I posted yesterday about Amber and Nay Nay..maybe started with a joke....that went wrong..? Hate to point fingers at these young women but its only another thought to ponder..jmo

I never thought about it seriously before. I know early on people suggested maybe just a ploy for money that sort of thing. But now that these two have reared their heads.. I just don't know. It does add to the list of possible theories to think about or discuss IMO.

[Texas48]

At this point in this sad case I was thinking...(scary to even me) What if...Cyrstal and Ron..the two together..by themselves..went on Nat. TV and talked about Haleigh...Not talk about the negative in their lives but all about Haleigh. With all the crude being thrown about in media..would it not get BIG attention if the two were together..talking about *their* little girl..Showing photos and expressing their feelings..would the media cover it in a big way? Thoughts?

[carlybarly]

First I have to say, omg how I love to come to this thread and see a discussion that is not evolved around mudslinging of Ron or whoever is the plate du jour lol. Sensibly conversations and thoughts! Ok the day is young .... lol

Secondly I have a question, now I hear alot about Cobra and my understanding is that he is a bounty hunter or am I wrong? I'm just not sure why a bounty hunter is hired by anyone for this? Don't they hunt fugitives and last I looked Haleigh wasn't a fugitive (unfortunately!). Wouldn't hiring a private detective be money better spent?

Thirdly, I don't know why, but I just don't feel Haleigh is dead. I hope and pray that feeling is right (and no I've not an inkling of psychic in me that I know of lol). I keep thinking a woman has her and I don't know why that thought popped in my head, but it had from the start and I keep coming back to that.

But I agree with some up above, if whoever took her for revenge they may not have realized that it would go this far. They may have thought Ron and/or Misty would make phone calls first and not call the police right away. IF that is the case you have to wonder what now? Are they the type that can kill the girl? Or would they try to get rid of her in other ways (give her to someone, even sell her which sickens me, etc).

I'd really like SOME news from the LE, even if it is just a brief update of something, anything!

Was that too longwinded and one sided? :biggrin:

[Hannah21]

You could be very right Hannah..I wounder what was in the note Ron gave to LE? Maybe a list of *possible* names/suspects? All quesses on my part..just throwing stuff out there..

I have wondered about that note too. Possible suspects or possible drug busts since there have been so many. Or possible suspects that do not like Ron and he listed as someone that could have taken Haleigh. Just speculation.

I don't think any RSO took her. If one or more of those teeny boppers took her to get back at RC, I think she would have been found by now. And I really don't think she was taken to settle RC drug debts or anything. People like that would have just taken RC to the woods and broken his legs or something.

[Motomom]

IF that is the case, how have they kept her hidden this long? And where? People in that small town like to talk and if they did something like that somebody would know it and tell it by now. At least I hope they would. WBGreg would have spilled it in his interview if he knew anything.

Going to add on here, give my thoughts to your questions. What if she is in a very remote location? Isn't there that national forrest close by? I do think someone would have talked by now.. unless only a few close people know.. you know, honor among theives. I have a friend and we share secrets with the utmost trust..even if it is secret thoughts we need to get out without looking like wackos.. I know with all of my heart she would never tell.. and vice versa.. I have that trust in her. Say it is someone who knows misty.. and only that person and misty know, say she is with a family member of one of theirs, in a remote location.. I know it is most likely inprobable, but not impossible and with these last few cases with what we have seen, anything is possible kwim?

[Hannah21]

very true Hannah..I was just throwing thoughts around..

Me too, Texas. It's all we have since there is very little truth coming from the family. I don't envy the police that has to sort through the lies. It seems that town thrives on sex and drugs. Even the older people look like they lived that life style or maybe still do.

[Motomom]

You could be very right Hannah..I wounder what was in the note Ron gave to LE? Maybe a list of *possible* names/suspects? All quesses on my part..just throwing stuff out there..

Ohh tx I had forgotten about that note. What is your opinion on LE and Ron? Do you think they believe him? I know they have said they are satisfied. hmm what really was on the note..

[Hannah21]

Ohh tx I had forgotten about that note. What is your opinion on LE and Ron? Do you think they believe him? I know they have said they are satisfied. hmm what really was on the note..

I don't think they believe RC. I think they told him they believe him and they are watching him. IMO, he is the number one suspect along with Misty.

[Motomom]

my bold

This is what I'm starting to think. I don't know if it was revenge against Misty, but I think something happened that weekend that led up to this.

So if we go with that thought, say it's true, did ron really go there and drag her back home?? Could be revenge against Ron from misty..with others involved..nay nay or amber.. didn't one of them say that Misty wasnt' suppose to hang with them or Ron didn't like her hanging with them?? Something along those lines (just from reading here because admittenly I didn't watch their entire interviews). Could be someone didn't like Ron's opinion of them? i'm not sure anything will shock me at this point.

Going back to another thought, if this was done for money, and Ron knew, I can't see him not filling Crystal in on it, and I can't see Crystal goign along with something like that. I don't believe he knows at this point, nor Crystal.. We'll have to wait and see who else rears their heads I think.

[Motomom]

I don't think they believe RC. I think they told him they believe him and they are watching him. IMO, he is the number one suspect along with Misty.

The only reason I think they do believe him is his story of "I was at work" is/was easily verified IMO. They have also told us that they were satisfied with his account.. but not misty's.

something else to bring back into the picture. Anyone have the article that mentioned a house that Crystal was supposedly taken to? Now where, who and why was Crystal taken to this house..allegedly.. or was that more misinformation given out by the media?? A rumor maybe that never got cleared up?

[Hannah21]

Do you think Naynay is telling the truth about Misty telling her RC pushed her into the mirror and her arm was cut? Misty wore long sleeves in every video I saw, maybe she was covering it up. Its questionable. But I don't really care if he did or not. The most important thing is where is Haleigh.

[Pat]

At this point in this sad case I was thinking...(scary to even me) What if...Cyrstal and Ron..the two together..by themselves..went on Nat. TV and talked about Haleigh...Not talk about the negative in their lives but all about Haleigh. With all the crude being thrown about in media..would it not get BIG attention if the two were together..talking about *their* little girl..Showing photos and expressing their feelings..would the media cover it in a big way? Thoughts?

That would get them on JMV and NG and a large local affliate at the least...I think it would be a terrific idea but I don't see it happening. Too many are too invested in other issues to allow it.

[Motomom]

That would get them on JMV and NG and a large local affliate at the least...I think it would be a terrific idea but I don't see it happening. Too many are too invested in other issues to allow it.

you are probably right but it is a great idea. Crystal still has on her myspace that mommy and daddy love you to Haleigh. She also has a nice picture of her and Haleigh..haleigh looks about a yr or so old. The space is private now.. wonder if you can email someone even though it's private?

[Hannah21]

The only reason I think they do believe him is his story of "I was at work" is/was easily verified IMO. They have also told us that they were satisfied with his account.. but not misty's.

something else to bring back into the picture. Anyone have the article that mentioned a house that Crystal was supposedly taken to? Now where, who and why was Crystal taken to this house..allegedly.. or was that more misinformation given out by the media?? A rumor maybe that never got cleared up?

He uses that "I was at work" to avoid answering questions and something could have happen before he went to work, if he got off work and went home for an hour lunch break, or after his shift before they called 911. Which would account for her standing at the door looking for him to return so they could call 911. There is a lake or some body of water near there. (Sandra was found in water so it is possible. I wonder if RC or Misty have any suitcases missing. Or if they would even tell the truth about missing any luggage. I don't think they would mention that.) The cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster so she could have been there and then moved to the water. There are so many possibilities.
Until RC and Misty tell the truth or LE gets the truth from them, we may never know at this point.

[Hannah21]

you are probably right but it is a great idea. Crystal still has on her myspace that mommy and daddy love you to Haleigh. She also has a nice picture of her and Haleigh..haleigh looks about a yr or so old. The space is private now.. wonder if you can email someone even though it's private?


I think Crystal would but RC won't. His mother won't either. I would like to see both grandmothers united to talk about Haleigh. I did not once see them together in an interview.

[Hannah21]

but where would they be hiding her? at Amber's gma's house?

I hope Amber's GM would not allow that or even consider being a part of something like that.

[Hannah21]

I actually have thought from the very beginning that he did something to Haleigh in anger, maybe not anger towards her but he was angry about something. And it was an accident. And do you guys remember that at one time there was a reported sighting of him at a convenience store in the area at 2am, when he supposedly was at work?

I think IMO you guys are as close to the truth as anyone can get without more information

Yes, I do remember that. There is also a floating rumor that he left work at 9 PM that night. And his statement that he drove up in front of the MH and Misty was standing in the doorway. Sounds like she was impatient and waiting for him to return.

[Motomom]

but we found out those rumors were false when the LE said they are satisfied Ron was at work his whole 8 hour shift.

does anyone know if any of the stores he would have passed had security cameras?

Some bells won't be unrung for some FA. Good idea about security cameras. I believe LE. Would they lie to us? I guess they could, but for what purpose? They already know what's going around, the rumors and what not. I can't see them lieing about that. I think if they thought for one minute that Ron left that job that night..they'd be on top of him. If Le came out and said that he did indeed leave his jobsite that night, my opinions would change drastically as well.

[Hannah21]

but we found out those rumors were false when the LE said they are satisfied Ron was at work his whole 8 hour shift.

does anyone know if any of the stores he would have passed had security cameras?

I don't recall LE saying that. If the stores have security cameras, LE would have that and it will not be public at this point.

[Motomom]

I don't recall LE saying that. If the stores have security cameras, LE would have that and it will not be public at this point.

They did say that though. It is probably in the links section. IIRC they said they were satisfied with Ron's account and in the same conversation they talked about the inconsistencies with Misty.. unless I'm thinking of a different interview.

[FrankieBones1]

The only reason I think they do believe him is his story of "I was at work" is/was easily verified IMO. They have also told us that they were satisfied with his account.. but not misty's.

something else to bring back into the picture. Anyone have the article that mentioned a house that Crystal was supposedly taken to? Now where, who and why was Crystal taken to this house..allegedly.. or was that more misinformation given out by the media?? A rumor maybe that never got cleared up?

If police had proof that Ron was not at work for his full shift, I'm sure we would know about it by now.

[Hannah21]

after he went to work the GGM and neighbor both saw Haleigh .
and he was at work LE said so what answer could he give besides i was at work?

Why so defensive of RC? We are just throwing around possibilities in reference to rumors that have surfaced and not been confirmed as rumor by LE. The investigation is not going to make known to the public what evidence they have until they solve the case.

[?noanswer]

At this point in this sad case I was thinking...(scary to even me) What if...Cyrstal and Ron..the two together..by themselves..went on Nat. TV and talked about Haleigh...Not talk about the negative in their lives but all about Haleigh. With all the crude being thrown about in media..would it not get BIG attention if the two were together..talking about *their* little girl..Showing photos and expressing their feelings..would the media cover it in a big way? Thoughts?


I think it would be good if anyone got Haleigh's name back into the mainstream media. NG is so hung up on KCA and her family and JVM seems to be interested in the salacious part of the story. The web site by RC's atty. is promoting a video with Ron to be put up later. I don't know if a web site is that valuable at this stage. Maybe when the story first broke it might have made a difference. I wonder if MSM got away from the story because of everything that has come up because of the custody issue. JMO

[Hannah21]

The cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster really bothers me. I just don't think 3 different dogs could be wrong.

That bothers me too. My brother trains cadaver dogs and he has never had a trained dog miss.
If LE found anything I am certain they entered into evidence and not the public speculation forum.

[Hannah21]

If police had proof that Ron was not at work for his full shift, I'm sure we would know about it by now.

I disagree. I think someone that works at PDM let it out and that is where the rumor originated. It also could be one of the reasons RC was terminated. In any case, that information will not be public until the case evidence is entered in court, if it ever gets to that point.
Unfortunately, it is a missing persons case and Paulus van der Sloot said it best and I quote, "no body, no crime". It should also be noted that Natalee Holloway has never been found.

[Hannah21]

how am i being defensive of RC?

Are you saying that you are not?

[Pat]

I think it would be good if anyone got Haleigh's name back into the mainstream media. NG is so hung up on KCA and her family and JVM seems to be interested in the salacious part of the story. The web site by RC's atty. is promoting a video with Ron to be put up later. I don't know if a web site is that valuable at this stage. Maybe when the story first broke it might have made a difference. I wonder if MSM got away from the story because of everything that has come up because of the custody issue. JMO

(Highlighted by me) IMO that had a great deal to do with it. A big story could have been done on the fact LE told people not to go out and search on their own. There could have been follow up about the drug industry that seems to be prevalent, the fact that a National Forest is being used...the MSM has done stories about that very issue in California.

The economy is terrible and so many are being affected by it. It has put a terrible strain on families. Who wants to watch this mess where rumor, accusations which turn out to be lies, and bottom-feeders fueling the flames get played out on TV when their own families are in crises due to no fault of their own? These people have made the choice to live this way. We don't want them for neighbors and wouldn't want them as part of the family. I certainly do believe interest dropped like a rock because the focus got taken off the actual tragedy of Haleigh going missing and moved on to salacious gossip, rumor and innuendo.

[Hannah21]

(Highlighted by me) IMO that had a great deal to do with it. A big story could have been done on the fact LE told people not to go out and search on their own. There could have been follow up about the drug industry that seems to be prevalent, the fact that a National Forest is being used...the MSM has done stories about that very issue in California.

The economy is terrible and so many are being affected by it. It has put a terrible strain on families. Who wants to watch this mess where rumor, accusations which turn out to be lies, and bottom-feeders fueling the flames get played out on TV when their own families are in crises due to no fault of their own? These people have made the choice to live this way. We don't want them for neighbors and wouldn't want them as part of the family. I certainly do believe interest dropped like a rock because the focus got taken off the actual tragedy of Haleigh going missing and moved on to salacious gossip, rumor and innuendo.

Gossip surrounds people that live their lives for sex, drugs and crime. Somewhere in the thick of all that the truth is buried. I just hope there is a good investigator that can get to the truth for Haleigh's sake. These people choose their life style and they feed on rumors. The children don't have a choice.

[Scampi]

I actually have thought from the very beginning that he did something to Haleigh in anger, maybe not anger towards her but he was angry about something. And it was an accident. And do you guys remember that at one time there was a reported sighting of him at a convenience store in the area at 2am, when he supposedly was at work?

I think IMO you guys are as close to the truth as anyone can get without more information

I'm onboard with this theory too Madame. Tho it could have been an act of "discipline" that went too far.

[Hannah21]

no way...like i said the other day i've given up on every single adult in this case.

how can i be defending someone by just talking about FACTS and not rumors?


why continue to even talk about rumors? that just gives them legs to grow. IMO

Because rumors start by a piece of the truth. Rumors have to be sorted to get to the truth. And nothing has been discarded yet. Everyone is still a suspect and the case has not been solved and facts confirmed yet.

[Motomom]

The cadaver dogs hit on the dumpster really bothers me. I just don't think 3 different dogs could be wrong.

I agree with you here Tiffany. I don't care for the way they went through it either. I also wish (don't know if they did or not) would have let the dogs go through what they pulled out of there, and taken them into that dumpster to see if they would hit again. I also thought but I'm not sure that TN had mentioned that dumpster earlier as well. It took them too long IMO to go through it. You know, alot of time it is after the fact, after too much time has gone on that it comes out that mistakes were made early on. Here's a thought about the dumpster.. did TN really mention it earlier and to whom? If she mentioned it, someone could have over heard and went and moved the body. Did word get around before Le searched it? Did whoever put her there, IF she was there just get a bit nervous after putting her there and move her? It's all possible I think. And which dogs were right or wrong.. they scented her to the water (where she really could be hung up if she's there), they scented her to the rr tracks and then there was the dumpster hit.. bad reporting maybe? IDK.. but if she was taken or killed there, she could have been moved. Did LE smell anythin in that dumpster I wonder? Did they luminol the trailer? I would think that there would have been some sort of remnants of a murder if it took place in the trailer..unless it was suffocation..I imagine LE took the pillows to check for something like that? I really thought they were finding her that night in that dumpster. Just throwing more stuff out there. All JMO and thoughts.

[Hannah21]

I'm onboard with this theory too Madame. Tho it could have been an act of "discipline" that went too far.


I agree, that is a good theory and very possible.

[Hannah21]

Ohhhhhhhhhh come on now :lol:

what truth was there in Jr going to the door trying to lure out the baby?

There was no mention of JR on the 911 call that I heard.

[Hannah21]

I think the dumpster was temporary, until they could get her to the water

I think so too. I wonder if they have searched the water and if not why they don't get Tim Miller back there to do water searches.

[Hannah21]

exactly but the rumors were Jr was sent to the door to lure the baby out and all that..........how did that rumor HELP this case?

That rumor was not in regard to Haleigh's case. Amber's GM did not mention JR at all during the 911 call.

[Motomom]

I think so too. I wonder if they have searched the water and if not why they don't get Tim Miller back there to do water searches.

I dont' understand why TM left to begin with. I do think they searched the water, but not sure how well. I posted earlier on.. took 9 weeks or there abouts to find Christopher Pettit in the water a few towns over, about 120 feet from where his boat capsized. He was hung up..hey had that sonar in the water too. I think if she is dead, the water is a possibility.

ETA a few towns over from me..not Haleigh

[Hannah21]

maybe they had someone else do it for them, IDK, FA, I get only to a certain point and then I feel like I have to actually see the scene and talk to the people before I can finish putting it together.

But I will tell you one thing, IMO, as many theories as have been discussed here, one of them HAS to be the right one.

And most possible theories return to rest on RC and Misty as the suspects.

Haleigh could very well have been put in the water after the searches.

[Hannah21]

wow so you think Misty and Ron had someone else move her?

yeah could be possible she was kidnapped.

That would not be kidnapping. I don't think RC would have anyone move her. IF that is the case, he would do it himself. IMO

[Scampi]

Because rumors start by a piece of the truth. Rumors have to be sorted to get to the truth. And nothing has been discarded yet. Everyone is still a suspect and the case has not been solved and facts confirmed yet.

Yep, where there is smoke often times there is fire.

BTW, about "facts" if you really want to get technical we have none yet, if you go by the notion that the only true "facts" of this case will be revealed at trial.

But, who wants to go that route, because then there would be nothing to sleuth about on this message board and that's why we're all here to discuss what our thoughts are on this case.

[Hannah21]

do theories equal rumors? if so yes you are correct. but so far the police are saying Ron has been very up front and working with them but not so much for Misty. Personally i don't trust Misty.

and where would they hide Haleigh for a week till after the searches were done?

There are hundreds of hiding places a person could hide a small child. Then move the body again and again. Especially under cover of the night while living in a tent.

[Hannah21]

I love how it's ok to talk about rumors and lifestyle with Ron and Misty but not Crystal. :thumbsup:

I will talk with you about Crystal. What have you got that directly connects her to the night Haleigh disappeared?

[bama__angel]

There are hundreds of hiding places a person could hide a small child. Then move the body again and again. Especially under cover of the night while living in a tent.



I have to respectfully disagree with this statement......In any missing child case, parents and family are looked at first.....IMO after Haleigh was reported missing, LE had their eyes on Ron and Misty constantly....There was no opportunity to move her....

[Texas48]

First I have to say, omg how I love to come to this thread and see a discussion that is not evolved around mudslinging of Ron or whoever is the plate du jour lol. Sensibly conversations and thoughts! Ok the day is young .... lol

Secondly I have a question, now I hear alot about Cobra and my understanding is that he is a bounty hunter or am I wrong? I'm just not sure why a bounty hunter is hired by anyone for this? Don't they hunt fugitives and last I looked Haleigh wasn't a fugitive (unfortunately!). Wouldn't hiring a private detective be money better spent?

Thirdly, I don't know why, but I just don't feel Haleigh is dead. I hope and pray that feeling is right (and no I've not an inkling of psychic in me that I know of lol). I keep thinking a woman has her and I don't know why that thought popped in my head, but it had from the start and I keep coming back to that.

But I agree with some up above, if whoever took her for revenge they may not have realized that it would go this far. They may have thought Ron and/or Misty would make phone calls first and not call the police right away. IF that is the case you have to wonder what now? Are they the type that can kill the girl? Or would they try to get rid of her in other ways (give her to someone, even sell her which sickens me, etc).

I'd really like SOME news from the LE, even if it is just a brief update of something, anything!

Was that too longwinded and one sided? :biggrin:
not one way or the other..IMO an excellent post.

[Motomom]

ITA that they waited too long. I watched the coverage and I don't remember seeing any dogs there, but I could be mistaken. If the dogs weren't there...HUGE mistake on the part of LE. MO

Were the dogs that followed her scent to the water and rr tracks cadaver dogs, or dogs that are trained to follow the scent of someone off of clothing, etc? Anyone know?

I think they probably luminoled the trailer.

I dont' think they were cadavaer dogs that scented her to the water or tracks but I'm not sure. Ok, but what doesn't make sense is the dogs tracked her scent to the water/tracks before the dumpster hit (different dogs I know).. so that doesn't make sense.. water/tracks first, then dumpster and it was early on.. I don't think anyways. I wonder how long her scent would last for the dogs to track. Could they have tracked her scent from earlier in the day? Or another day all together?

[Hannah21]

They could have, it could have even been TN that helped them after they told er the truth.

She could have been kidnapped, certainly but that theory doesn't hold much water with me, but that is only my opinion, it isn't the way I interpret the story after hearing so much about it.

I have thought of that, too concerning Teresa. I hate to think that she would go that far to protect her son when she obviously loved Haleigh so much. I have no doubt that TN loves Haleigh. But other things about her are troubling. For example, the trip to the woods with Cobra. I have serious trouble with that one since she went to him and not LE.

[bama__angel]

I dont' think they were cadavaer dogs that scented her to the water or tracks but I'm not sure. Ok, but what doesn't make sense is the dogs tracked her scent to the water/tracks before the dumpster hit (different dogs I know).. so that doesn't make sense.. water/tracks first, then dumpster and it was early on.. I don't think anyways. I wonder how long her scent would last for the dogs to track. Could they have tracked her scent from earlier in the day? Or another day all together?


IMO, a tracking dog can pick up a live human scent from days before unless there had been a lot of rain......Cadaver dogs can only track a person after they are deceased......

[Motomom]

There are hundreds of hiding places a person could hide a small child. Then move the body again and again. Especially under cover of the night while living in a tent.

Yeah but there was a heavy media presense at that time and dogs had already been called in to track her too. Now if it was someone unrelated to the family that maybe was outside of the trailer park..then that's possible I think. I dont' think Ron moved her..then again, I dont' think he had anything to do with her disappearance either.

[Hannah21]

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement......In any missing child case, parents and family are looked at first.....IMO after Haleigh was reported missing, LE had their eyes on Ron and Misty constantly....There was no opportunity to move her....

Were they stationed at the tent 24/7 and watching his every move. Remember he slipped off during a major search and got tattoos.

[MoonFlwr]

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement......In any missing child case, parents and family are looked at first.....IMO after Haleigh was reported missing, LE had their eyes on Ron and Misty constantly....There was no opportunity to move her....

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that!

[bama__angel]

Were they stationed at the tent 24/7 and watching his every move. Remember he slipped off during a major search and got tattoos.



I would bet my life that LE knows where both sides of Haleigh's family have been 24/7 since Feb. 9.....

[?noanswer]

I think the dumpster was temporary, until they could get her to the water


But when could someone have moved the body? Between the time the dogs hit and the time she was reported missing, the area was crawling with LE, Media, Searchers and Spectators. I just can't see anyone having an opportunity to move anything without being seen. JMO

[?noanswer]

I think so too. I wonder if they have searched the water and if not why they don't get Tim Miller back there to do water searches.

The water was searched in the very beginning. JMO

[?noanswer]

did Haleighs smell go towards the railroad tracks or the dumpster?


I think the RR tracks. I also think there is a big fence between the Cummings (former) Residence and the dumpster. JMO

[Hannah21]

I would bet my life that LE knows where both sides of Haleigh's family have been 24/7 since Feb. 9.....

I'm just saying, he went out of town. Remember how he acted on camera coming out of the tattoo shop? Cameras were not there before he went in the tattoo shop. He had an opportunity that day.

[Texas48]

Ohh tx I had forgotten about that note. What is your opinion on LE and Ron? Do you think they believe him? I know they have said they are satisfied. hmm what really was on the note..I am almost believing GR was right and Ron is an informant for LE..note..I said..*almost*..lol..I don't know anymore mom to be honest..Seems like if it was someone in that area and with all the drug carp that one of these nuts would have cracked by now...and..who knows..they may yet..May be why the Big Drug bust and LE is hoping for a dominoe effect..jmo and thoughts.

[?noanswer]

Were they stationed at the tent 24/7 and watching his every move. Remember he slipped off during a major search and got tattoos.


If he slipped off, how was it that the media and cameras were there to interview him? JMO

[Hannah21]

did the LE want her to go out the woods with them?

did she take a LDT?

but hey they all say they took one and passed........but LE won't say.

She did not call LE to check out the woods. She asked Cobra to go out there.

I don't believe in polygraph tests. I haven't heard if TN took one or not.

[Texas48]

Do you think Naynay is telling the truth about Misty telling her RC pushed her into the mirror and her arm was cut? Misty wore long sleeves in every video I saw, maybe she was covering it up. Its questionable. But I don't really care if he did or not. The most important thing is where is Haleigh.very well could be..I do remember Misty also wearing that jacket type thingy..but..your right..what could it have to do w/Haleigh? and why did Misty appear So happy with the wedding proposal and wedding? Does she like being pushed into a mirrow? Every thing is strange IMO.

[Hannah21]

If he slipped off, how was it that the media and cameras were there to interview him? JMO

Media was tipped off by the tattoo shop and caught him coming out. He was there quite a while. It takes some time to get large tattoos.

[Texas48]

you are probably right but it is a great idea. Crystal still has on her myspace that mommy and daddy love you to Haleigh. She also has a nice picture of her and Haleigh..haleigh looks about a yr or so old. The space is private now.. wonder if you can email someone even though it's private?I don't see where it would hurt the case...actually..is there anything that would hurt? I think KP's email address is somewhere..will look..

[Scampi]

I love how it's ok to talk about rumors and lifestyle with Ron and Misty but not Crystal. :thumbsup:

That's because most people understand that Crystal and company were hours away on the night Haleigh disappeared from ronald's trailer, imo. Theorizing about the people living in that trailer is much more interesting and relevant to what happened to this child, imo.

[bama__angel]

I am almost believing GR was right and Ron is an informant for LE..note..I said..*almost*..lol..I don't know anymore mom to be honest..Seems like if it was someone in that area and with all the drug carp that one of these nuts would have cracked by now...and..who knows..they may yet..May be why the Big Drug bust and LE is hoping for a dominoe effect..jmo and thoughts.

IMO...I believe that Ron is/was an informant for LE.......He has too many arrests before 2005 or 2006 not to have been convicted of anything.....If he is an informant or whatever, many times LE will arrest that person to make it look good......Now IMO that is a dangerous world to live, and I believe that Haleigh could have been taken by someone to get even...The drug community in that area is too tight for people not to eventually figure out what was going on with Ron....If this did happen, I fear for Haleigh's safety....Too many things could go wrong very rapidly....

[Hannah21]

very well could be..I do remember Misty also wearing that jacket type thingy..but..your right..what could it have to do w/Haleigh? and why did Misty appear So happy with the wedding proposal and wedding? Does she like being pushed into a mirrow? Every thing is strange IMO.

Misty is an immature teenager. I think she wanted to marry RC just to rub it in Amber's face. Its not about how RC treats her to Misty, its more being the one he married to make herself feel better about the fact he has had others before her that he has children with. That goes back to the whole "take your man" thing she and Amber had going on. It is childish.

[Mimi428]

I don't know why he was there, I suspect maybe he was somehow lured by amber, nay nay or both, just so they could make some trouble.

And of course it wasn't against the law for him to be there, it might not have been the smartest thing to do, but it wasn't against the law

I think the idea that Amber & Nay Nay would 'lure' Ronald to get him in trouble is not particularly reasonable.

People who do drugs do NOT want to bring themselves to the attention of LE - it's the last thing they want, because even if they aren't the ones arrested, interacting with LE puts a damper on their abilities to get & ingest their drugs. And if we have seen one thing in this horrid situation, we have seen that Amber, Nay Nay, Ron, WBG, Amber's mother & other people have been arrested (some more than once) on drug charges.

I don't know why Ronald was driving through the parking lot where Amber's grandmother lived. I can think of several possibilities, but who knows which ones might be the 'real' one.

One of the possibilities I have thought of is that Ron has been re-thinking his prior unwillingness to be involved in the life of Amber's baby son. It is almost 3 months since Haleigh disappeared. I am sure he has had more than one moment of reflecting back on the memories of Haleigh as a newborn, an infant, a growing baby, a toddler. The milestones he witnessed in her young life. Perhaps he was having thoughts of regret that he had missed & would continue to miss those milestones of another child of his, because of his lack of involvement in Jordan's life. Maybe he just wanted to see the child he had previously denied. Could be that he was maudlin, morose, thinking "if only....".

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that Ron, having lost one child, is now thinking that it may have been a mistake to remove himself from Jordan's life. He might want to try to establish contact & perhaps he did not know how to begin it. Maybe he was just hoping to get a glimpse of the baby. Trying to work up the courage to approach Amber's grandmother & say, "please, may I just see the baby again".

JMO

[MoonFlwr]

Media was tipped off by the tattoo shop and caught him coming out. He was there quite a while. It takes some time to get large tattoos.

The idea of Ron (or Misty or someone close to the family) moving a dead body with all the media attention and LE surrounding them, does not seem plausible to me.

[Texas48]

I actually have thought from the very beginning that he did something to Haleigh in anger, maybe not anger towards her but he was angry about something. And it was an accident. And do you guys remember that at one time there was a reported sighting of him at a convenience store in the area at 2am, when he supposedly was at work?

I think IMO you guys are as close to the truth as anyone can get without more informationI have had the same thouhts X. I don't think Ron would have hurt her intentionally but accidents do happen when one looses their tempers..Just thoughts..nothing more.

[Hannah21]

The idea of Ron (or Misty or someone close to the family) moving a dead body with all the media attention and LE surrounding them, does not seem plausible to me.

Anything is possible. I didn't think anyone would hide a baby in their trunk either but there is evidence that Casey did it.

[Texas48]

Some bells won't be unrung for some FA. Good idea about security cameras. I believe LE. Would they lie to us? I guess they could, but for what purpose? They already know what's going around, the rumors and what not. I can't see them lieing about that. I think if they thought for one minute that Ron left that job that night..they'd be on top of him. If Le came out and said that he did indeed leave his jobsite that night, my opinions would change drastically as well.I don't believe LE would have lied about they were satisfied that Ron was at work..they would have just said *nothing* at all and left it at that..I think. What I am trying to say is LE could have just said...no one has been cleared. right? Maybe?

[Texas48]

They did say that though. It is probably in the links section. IIRC they said they were satisfied with Ron's account and in the same conversation they talked about the inconsistencies with Misty.. unless I'm thinking of a different interview.You are right mom..Le made that statement.

[bama__angel]

oh yeah come on. when X said that about TN it really brought me down. Could you imagine if someone said that about Crystals mom?



I cant imagine either GM moving Haleigh's body......What I can see is both GM's doing whatever it takes to protect their granchildren.....IMO it wouldnt be a good idea to mess with either of these 2 women.....

[MoonFlwr]

Anything is possible. I didn't think anyone would hide a baby in their trunk either but there is evidence that Casey did it.

Yes, of course, anything is possible. I just don't think there was much opportunity, in this case, for what has been put forward as a theory.

[Mimi428]

I dont' think they were cadavaer dogs that scented her to the water or tracks but I'm not sure. Ok, but what doesn't make sense is the dogs tracked her scent to the water/tracks before the dumpster hit (different dogs I know).. so that doesn't make sense.. water/tracks first, then dumpster and it was early on.. I don't think anyways. I wonder how long her scent would last for the dogs to track. Could they have tracked her scent from earlier in the day? Or another day all together?

Cadaver dogs are trained to hit on the molecules of putrescine &/or cadaverine. Search & rescue dogs are not trained on those scents.

IOW, the dogs that tracked to the water & the RR tracks were going by Haleigh's specific scent.

The dogs that hit on the dumpster were detecting the scent of putrescine &/or cadaverine, which would be present in ANY & EVERY dead human being.

One of the reasons it doesn't particularly concern me that there was nothing relating to Haleigh in the dumpster is because the dogs could have picked up the scent from any other deceased human being. A person who died in a motel, then the motel had to toss the mattress in the dumpster. The putrescine &/or cadaverine molecules would be detectable to the dogs, even after the dumpster had been emptied & relocated to a worksite for construction materials.

JMO

[Hannah21]

What if nothing happened before RC went to work?? What if he was at work?? Lets say that is the truth. What else could he say but I was at work? Isn't that at least a possibility until we know more?

Of course it is bully. Watch how he says it. His body language and facial expressions speak louder than what he verbally speaks. He is smug and arrogant when he should be feeling sorrow that something happened while he was away. But he doesn't. It is very odd behavior. But he is fascinating to watch on camera.

[Hannah21]

Do you think TN would even consider being a part of something like hiding Haleighs body?

No, I don't think she could or would do that. I think she knows more than she has told LE about the events leading up too whatever happen to Haleigh but I don't think she was involved in what actually did happen.

[Mimi428]

I do remember talk of a sanitary napkin which is also beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

I absolutely agree.

[Mimi428]

Do the dogs know the difference if say it was a feminine products or bloody bandaid, something along those lines??

Blood, whether from a superficial or deep cut, does not contain the molecules of putrescine & cadaverine. Neither does menstual blood. Neither does blood from rectal bleeding, or gastric bleeding.

Dogs that would hit on menstrual blood would be worse than useless, since they would never be able to walk past a public restroom (among other places) without alerting.

JMO

[bama__angel]

ITA.......TN went on tv almost every night so did Crystals mom i just don't see those two ladies being involved in moving Haleighs lifeless body.


OK....This is what LE is working with (hopefully with a lot more info than we have here)
1. A pedophile kidnapped Haleigh.....Someone who had been watching Haleigh, and knew who was taking care of her at night...Misty was in a dead coma from her weekend of partying, and left a door unlocked...It was the right time for this sick person.....Usually these are crimes of opportunity......
2. A drug related kidnapping
3. Crystal and Marie arranged to have both children taken because of fears for their safety, and something went wrong and that person could only get Haleigh and had to leave Jr. Crystal was hiding the kids until the custody issue could be changed.... I think this is possible because this is something that many mothers might do to protect their children...
4.Misty hurt her after the kids had their supper on Monday......I still dont see this.....the crime lab has been all over their home and I believe that if there was any evidence that Haleigh had been injured in that house, Misty would probably not be alive because I think Ron would hurt her..
5. Can anyone think of another scenario that makes any sense?

All of these are MOO

[Hannah21]

So basically you dont believe anyone around Ronald right?

I don't believe anyone surrounding the case at all. If they were telling the truth Haleigh would be found by now. Somebody knows what happen. Who are they protecting and why.

I also don't believe LE is satisfied with RC's whereabouts even though they said they are, I think they want him to believe that. He is very cocky and they want him to feel comfortable enough to mess up, then they will get the truth. And find Haleigh.

[Hannah21]

OK....This is what LE is working with (hopefully with a lot more info than we have here)
1. A pedophile kidnapped Haleigh.....Someone who had been watching Haleigh, and knew who was taking care of her at night...Misty was in a dead coma from her weekend of partying, and left a door unlocked...It was the right time for this sick person.....Usually these are crimes of opportunity......
2. A drug related kidnapping
3. Crystal and Marie arranged to have both children taken because of fears for their safety, and something went wrong and that person could only get Haleigh and had to leave Jr. Crystal was hiding the kids until the custody issue could be changed.... I think this is possible because this is something that many mothers might do to protect their children...
4.Misty hurt her after the kids had their supper on Monday......I still dont see this.....the crime lab has been all over their home and I believe that if there was any evidence that Haleigh had been injured in that house, Misty would probably not be alive because I think Ron would hurt her..
5. Can anyone think of another scenario that makes any sense?

All of these are MOO

To add another possibility:
6. Haleigh found some of their drugs in the house and died from drug overdose.

[Texas48]

I think the dumpster was temporary, until they could get her to the watertill who could get her to the water...

[Texas48]

There was no mention of JR on the 911 call that I heard.Bingo...you heard right Hannah.

[Mimi428]

Of course it is bully. Watch how he says it. His body language and facial expressions speak louder than what he verbally speaks. He is smug and arrogant when he should be feeling sorrow that something happened while he was away. But he doesn't. It is very odd behavior. But he is fascinating to watch on camera.

He IS fascinating to watch. So is Casey Anthony & all of her immediate kinfolks. The horror comes from knowing what they may have done, what they are capable of doing, but it you have any interest in human pathological behavior, all that stuff is very compelling to ponder. ('course not everyone has that interest)

JMO

[bama__angel]

To add another possibility:
6. Haleigh found some of their drugs in the house and died from drug overdose.



OK...I can see this.....but who helped her move Haleigh? She didnt take care of this all by herself.....Remember she had partied all weekend..dead tired by her own admission...IMO

[Hannah21]

http://www.myspace.com/277459459

TN myspace page with picture.

[bama__angel]

maybe she called the person she spent the previous three days with?


That white boy Gregg.......He's a lot of things.....but I dont think he's stupid......He barely knew Misty.....Just partied with her......I dont think so.....IMO

[Motomom]

IMO if the police were positive Crystal was two hours away they would have cleared her by now.

I'm kind of shocked to learn one of the possibilities people are talking about is TN moved the body.

I honestly think Haleigh was kidnapped by someone not wanting just her but both children. I do not think any of the family was involved but i guess anythings possible.

I bolded. Right you are FA IMO. They should have cleared whoever they can at this point IMO. Unfortunately they haven't done so and that goes for what you said as well.. And TN.. no way would I believe in a million years that she would help or do it on her own at all. Her tears and grief are very real to me. She was a major part of Haleighs life.. she is no Cindy Anthony...IMO of course

[?noanswer]

http://www.myspace.com/277459459

TN myspace page with picture.


That is a Teresa's page, but I don't think it is Theresa Neves. Look at her self description. JMO

[Owlface]

Yes but you also have to remember that the media was right there with him. I don't think there was any way he or Misty could have done anything with Haleigh or her body AFTER that 911 call was made. Not without being seen any way.

I agree - they probably didn't do anything with Haleigh's body AFTER that 911 call. They did it before the call.

[Hannah21]

Great one to add to the list! Which would technically make Ron and Misty be telling the truth that they didn't have anything to do with it since they did't actually administer the drug?

Disposal of a body is the crime if that theory is what happen.

[Texas48]

There are hundreds of hiding places a person could hide a small child. Then move the body again and again. Especially under cover of the night while living in a tent.With respect..I disagree..There were so many ppl around at that time I can't see any way on earth anyone could have slipped off in the dark of night..went to a dead little girls body and moved her..to where? wait another couple of days and move her again..I don't believe that happened..not where Ron or Crystal are concerned..JMO

[Hannah21]

That is a Teresa's page, but I don't think it is Theresa Neves. Look at her self description. JMO

There is a picture of TN and her daughter on the page. There is no mistaking it is her account.

[Motomom]

What if nothing happened before RC went to work?? What if he was at work?? Lets say that is the truth. What else could he say but I was at work? Isn't that at least a possibility until we know more?

Exactly Bully. MO on that is some people just feel so strongly that he is involved. If he was at work, like LE has said (with their statement of satisfaction) then what more can he say. Granted, he's never been cleared either, neither has Crystal. In my mind..as of right this minute.. I feel safe saying that Ron was at work and Crystal was at her home.

[bama__angel]

THE AC MAN!!!

Just pullin your leg

Hmmmmmm, who would she have called, who would she have called, someone she trusted, not amber not nay nay......what about her sister? cousin? who was the chick with the van?



I had thought of her brother....the one she lived with after her parents asked her to leave their home......IMO

[?noanswer]

With respect..I disagree..There were so many ppl around at that time I can't see any way on earth anyone could have slipped off in the dark of night..went to a dead little girls body and moved her..to where? wait another couple of days and move her again..I don't believe that happened..not where Ron or Crystal are concerned..JMO

Also decomp and the smell associated with it would be a deterrent for moving a body. JMO

[Owlface]

Yes, mom, I agree. If RC was anywhere else, I think somehow it would have leaked out by now.

Except that there have been leaks - one is that he was at a convenience store at 2 am if I recall correctly.

[Texas48]

I will talk with you about Crystal. What have you got that directly connects her to the night Haleigh disappeared?We have been down the road of Crystal and Ron...what we have is nothing. I would rather take a different tactic and if we can think of one..so be it. there were several good thoughts all has this am..jmo

[Motomom]

Weird. I see them all agreeing except for Marie.

I agree with you.

[?noanswer]

There is a picture of TN and her daughter on the page. There is no mistaking it is her account.


I don't even think the pictures look like her/daughter. None of the other information matches TN. JMO

[?noanswer]

Except that there have been leaks - one is that he was at a convenience store at 2 am if I recall correctly.

What was the source of the leak(s)? JMO

[?noanswer]

I do not agree, people will do what they have to do to avoid being caught. If that means moving a body, they will do it. Seems a small risk by comparison when facing the death penalty or life in prison.

How did they avoid getting the smell on them/vehicle? There were too many people around for that to happen. JMO

[Texas48]

Bama,...X figured that little problem out. She said TN moved the body.



Just when i thought i heard it all..............I have alot of different thoughts and opinions but that one I can't believe..all is entitled to their opinions just as I am but I will never believe TN knew this baby was dead and never believe she helped anyone with Haleigh's little body..JMO

[Owlface]

I bolded. Right you are FA IMO. They should have cleared whoever they can at this point IMO. Unfortunately they haven't done so and that goes for what you said as well.. And TN.. no way would I believe in a million years that she would help or do it on her own at all. Her tears and grief are very real to me. She was a major part of Haleighs life.. she is no Cindy Anthony...IMO of course

I don't believe for a minute that LE hasn't cleared some people. Just because they haven't announced it to the public doesn't mean they haven't dismissed some scenarios and feel they know what happened and they are just waiting for evidence.

[bama__angel]

What was the source of the leak(s)? JMO



Yeah....sources a real problem.....IMO if LE had any proof that Ron was running around at 2:00AM the night Haleigh disappeared, he would be under the jail....

[Motomom]

Except that there have been leaks - one is that he was at a convenience store at 2 am if I recall correctly.

Was that a leak from LE or a rumor on a message board? I have no idea where that one originated.

[Mimi428]

To add another possibility:
6. Haleigh found some of their drugs in the house and died from drug overdose.

That has been one of my top theories since way early on in this case.

If (notice I do say IF) it is true that Ron had a history of using or possessing the morphine lollipop, it is possible that Haleigh could have found one, put it in her mouth & died from an overdose.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I wouldnt know that but it doesnt take much thought to come up with workable scenarios... that if you are moving a body that you would want to keep it on a plastic tarp that you would also dispose of. Making sure that that body would come into contact with nothing and if it does that you also dispose of it far far away from your own home. Just a guess, I have never moved a body but if I did I would take every precaution I could think of.

KC Anthony tripled baged Caylee and still the fluid leaked out. She most likely thought she took every precaution. Usually when a person dies, they have an involuntary bowel/kidney movement. If she died in the residence of RC, then I think LE would have found evidence of that. JMO

[Motomom]

We have been down the road of Crystal and Ron...what we have is nothing. I would rather take a different tactic and if we can think of one..so be it. there were several good thoughts all has this am..jmo

Yes Tx and I agree.. I kind of like my thoughts early this morning.. I really don't believe Ron or Crystal have anything to do with it at all, but that's just me and with LE being satisfied, I have a hard time discussing that theory. Someone said earlier that all possible theories lead back to misty and ron and that isn't true IMO.. Most of my theories dont' lead back to Ron at all, but I believe he was where he said he was. Until I hear otherwise I'm sticking with those thoughts. I do think that alot can be lead back to Misty though. I didn't feel that way in the beginning so much.

[Motomom]

there is that......hey, guys, you can knock me down every time if you want to, I don't mind at all because I am surely no super sleuth! But guess what??? It's almost 1pm on a Friday and we have talked about the whatifs of the case all day so far!!!! Yay! Throwing around various theories, some of them probably ridiculous (mine:laugh:) and some of them very possible (everyone elses :laugh:) but we have actually gone back and tried to dissect everyhting we HAVE learned and figure it out! Three cheers for the team!

I agree and enjoy this sort of discussion and debate.. course I still have stuff to do here and nobody is making me aggravated so it's hard to leave LOL

[Motomom]

I don't believe for a minute that LE hasn't cleared some people. Just because they haven't announced it to the public doesn't mean they haven't dismissed some scenarios and feel they know what happened and they are just waiting for evidence.

That's true too. I think though, that if they have cleared the main players and they aren't sharing that is a mistake. Because if they could clear Ron and Crystal it would alleviate alot of rumors that may or may not be interfering with the investigation. Even if it is just wasted time on LE's part and nothing major kwim?

[bama__angel]

Not true, they had proof Caylee was dead for months before CA was charged. They are not going to arrest anyone until they have significant proof ready to proceed to trial. Dont forget in Florida they have a limited amount of time between arrest and being prepared for trial. Should they arrest anyone and that person demands a speedy trial, which I think is within 90 days and they dont have enough to convict then they lose or the case is dismissed with prejudice.



Perhaps, I didnt make myself clear, and I used an expression that we use around here " put someone under the jail"....Ron would have been brought in many more times for questioning than he has, and LE would say Ron is the key to finding out what happened to Haleigh because Ron has inconsistencies and a time line that we cant verify.....Is that more clear?

[bama__angel]

IF Crystal had been cleared i'm sure KP would have told us by now....by the way where did KP go?

and does anyone know how much longer it will be for DCF to finish up their investigation?



DCF usually has 60 days to complete an investigation.......Maybe 10-15 days remaining....I'm not sure...

[Scampi]

Except that there have been leaks - one is that he was at a convenience store at 2 am if I recall correctly.

Hiya Owl, I recall that report too. If LE are seriously looking at ronald as a suspect in this, I'm sure they were livid that the report he was sighted leaked out. Or, perhaps they leaked the report to see what he would do. Sometimes "smokey" can be wiley that way.......lol.

[?noanswer]

It's been posted a gazillion times and KP has said numerous times that they have 60 days.


How big is a gazzillion? JMO

[Mimi428]

So that means everyones opinions and theories count, right?

Not sure what you are asking -can you clarify?

I think everyone has a right to their own opinion. And I absolutely respect their right to post their opinion. But I feel no compulsion to treat every opinion I read as being worthy of respect.

For example - someone could write that they are sure as sure can be that the ghost of Elvis kidnapped Haleigh & took her away. I respect that they are entitled to that opinion, I respect that they have a right to post that opinion, but I don't respect the opinion.

JMO

[Motomom]

IF Crystal had been cleared i'm sure KP would have told us by now....by the way where did KP go?

and does anyone know how much longer it will be for DCF to finish up their investigation?

I was wondering myself where KP went. I believe the DCF investigation can take up to 60 days they said IIRC. However, i do believe that as they are investigating, if they found these allegations to be true they would step in immediately though. I don't think they would wait the 60 days do you?

[Motomom]

Lets say that is the case here. They have proof (not releasing to anyone) that Ron was involved...In CA case didn't they arrest her for other things leading up to the arrest for murder? They easily had Ron for statutory rape with Misty even if it was just for the few months since his 24th birthday. Wouldn't they have arrested him for that just to get him in there?

Good point and I think you are right. JMO

[bama__angel]

I was wondering myself where KP went. I believe the DCF investigation can take up to 60 days they said IIRC. However, i do believe that as they are investigating, if they found these allegations to be true they would step in immediately though. I don't think they would wait the 60 days do you?



You are absolutely correct.......It's call an emergency hearing to remove child from home........Takes about 10 seconds for a judge to sign....IMO

[?noanswer]

Is that a serious question?

Yes, I am just now beginning to realize how big a trillion is with all the talk about the federal deficit, so I would like to now how big a gazillion is. JMO

[bama__angel]

Yes, I am just now beginning to realize how big a trillion is with all the talk about the federal deficit, so I would like to now how big a gazillion is. JMO



I dont know lol.....But give us another 5 years or so if we continue to bail out all these companies and we will know how big a gazillion is ...IMO

[Motomom]

Originally Posted by Tiffany

I do remember talk of a sanitary napkin which is also beyond ridiculous on so many levels.




I not sure why its ridiculous. What do people do with them when they are done using them??[/QUOTE]

Bully, because Cadaver dogs, when trained properly won't hit on that IMO.. They are trained to hit on the putricine and cadaverine..something like that. I know in the CA case the discussion went on and on and on about them cadaver dogs. I also think that the body starts decomposing immediately too, so a dog would pick up that scent.. I don't know how but then I dont' know how long it takes for a body to start smelling where a human would smell it either.

[?noanswer]

I dont know lol.....But give us another 5 years or so if we continue to bail out all these companies and we will know how big a gazillion is ...IMO

I'm afraid you may be correct in that assumpton!!!

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1636/how-much-is-a-gazillion says their ain't no gazillion. Boy am I glad!!!! JMO

[Motomom]

That is my way of thinking too. I can't see them finding anything where they think this little boy is in danger and not removing him immediately.

I'm in Jersey so i'm not sure how the DCF's different. My niece and nephew were left in a running truck last weekend with the windows up asleep. When the cops got there they thought they were dead. DYFS was called to the scene and they were at my sisters house at 4 am to make sure her home was safe. She was also given paperwork from DYFS that all visitation with the father was to stop right then and there basically until court. They also pressed charges against the father for child endagerment. I realize this is very severe and immediate attention was required, however I would imagine with one missing little girl, these accusations with this abuse would be require immediate attention as well AND with all of the media present at the time the investigation started. JMO though :)

[Hannah21]

I don't know about you but I don't have a degree in those subjects. IMO, I saw a man who was broken, that his daddys little girl was missing.
jmo


It has been said many times on the blog in reference to RC's breakdown on camera. And I mean literal on the ground break down. That performance was either fake or the sobs of a man who knows his little girl is never coming back.
The tattoo is a memorial.
In one interview when asked if he thought she is alive, he shakes his head no then said, "I will believe my daughter is alive until she is found." That is very telling.
Also, the first conversation with Crystal he told her he was sorry. I think he feels a special bond with Crystal and that is the closest thing he ever said to the truth and it was meant for her only.
Just my opinion

[dustyk]

Four years ago Ron was messed up in drugs. There is no proof he's involved with drugs now.....

and if that was the case why wouldn't they call 911?
Usually I just read these boards but had a thought on this post. If Ron is not involved with drugs now, why does he still associate with those who do. Misty was with Nay Nay the weekend before and we know what happened to her. Also Those wondering about what KP is doing, that's easy she is waiting for the investigation to be completed and then decide which way she wants to go then. I am sure this is not the only case she is working, so she still has to go to court on other cases she is working. But all this is TMO.

[Owlface]

In the 20 or so minutes after Ron arrived back home from work?

Can you refresh my memory about the proof of when Ron arrived home?

[dustyk]

Arrest him on what? They got Casey on lying to investigators, and figured it would hold her long enough to get more evidence and then they got lucky when the judge gave her a million dollar bail. That is not going to happen over statutory rape. In fact what it would do is make both of them more likely to stop cooperating altogether and make them more steadfast in regard to their loyalty to each other. In Casey's case they were not sure but they knew there was glaring evidence in that trunk and with enough time they would sort it all out. In this case there doesnt seem to be. Police are trained and especially the FBI, to interview people in such ways as to NOT push them to invoke counsel. That is the last thing they want in any case.
Didn't know he was suspected of statutory rape. Wonder why he wasn't arrested?

[Hannah21]

If you want to theorize about the people in the trailer, theorize this.

LE has verified Ron was at work,per LE has stated as much.
Amber jumped on Misty while the three was partying
Nay Nay, admits Ron hates her and does NOT allow Misty to hang with her. She blames Ron for breaking up their friendship.
nay Nay and Amber are both druggies,just arrested this past week
Mr. Bounty Hunter now admits Nay Nay and Amber hold the key to what happened to Haleigh.
Mr. Bounty Hunter bails the girls out and now does NOT have to have any excuse to talk to them any time day or night. Has a legal right to know their every move.

Amber's mother has 18 arrest under her belt per public records.
Amber's mother has been arrested for assaulting Misty.
Those are verifiable facts....

Now,Amber's GM is told by her daughter that Ron and his new wife was riding through a public parking lot and a hour or so later GM calls 911. LE arrives did not feel it necessary to even write up a incident and GM goes the following day to PCSO,unproven rumor, and demands a written report be wrote up. WHY???? Who advised her to do that????

A unknown minister has a direct line to AH and calls him in the middle of the night and out right lies to him about JR. going up to door looking for a one year old baby. DUH!!! RED Flag!!!
A unknown minister is listening to scanner, is he the same one who refused to marry Ron and Crystal?? Why would a minister be involved with reporting rumors to Mr. Bounty Hunter or AH???

And..... Who are the girls in the back ground laughing and giving description of vehicle to GM during 911 call.
Why did the minister assume a BOLO would be put out for Ron and report it had when in fact it had NOT.

This minister needs to be investigated pronto and it is my opinion that it was a young voice on that 911 call not a 63 year old. LE needs to look into who really called 911.

Something very fishy going on with this group...

I think a lot of people dislike Ron. How does that relate to the disappearance of Haleigh from his home during the night and not put him in the middle of it as a first suspect?

As you know the 911 call from GM was just a report. It is not related to the disappearance case.

[dustyk]

I have no idea why Ron is still associated with those kinds of people. BUT i guess we can say the same about Crystal right?
Well if the only way to defend him would be to turn it around that way, I guess you would be correct although don't hear much about Crytal's friends as recent as Rons. IMO

[Hannah21]

How can you decipher fake sobs from real sobs but just for other reasons than being sad and desperate? He was either crying or he was not...

If you are asking my thoughts, I think the sobs were real and the fall down on the ground drama was fake. When he got up he said , "I'm done" and walked away like he gave the camera what they wanted to stop looking at him as a suspect.
As I have said, he is fascinating to watch. He can go from one extreme to another in a second and not make any sense at all.

[Mimi428]

Usually I just read these boards but had a thought on this post. If Ron is not involved with drugs now, why does he still associate with those who do. Misty was with Nay Nay the weekend before and we know what happened to her. Also Those wondering about what KP is doing, that's easy she is waiting for the investigation to be completed and then decide which way she wants to go then. I am sure this is not the only case she is working, so she still has to go to court on other cases she is working. But all this is TMO.

Yeah, it definitely makes you wonder how truthful Ron is about his lack of involvement in drugs when he has drug arrests (yes, I know, not in the very recent past).

Then you factor in that Crystal, Amber & Misty all have significant histories of drug use.

At the very least, he seeks out & has sex with drug-using, drug-abusing & drug-addled females. I don't know about anyone else, but that comes close to completely negating any belief I could have that he is not still involved in drugs.

He does not come across as Casper Milquetoast. He does not come across as a "rescuer" - the kind of sweet guy who just wants to take care of damsels in distress, save them from themselves, keep them from harm, protective & sheltering & so on. If he had an ounce of that sort of temperment, we would have not seen him walk away from Misty when she was being interviewed outside the courthouse. He would have shown some solicitous interest in her wellbeing, but he did not. Not a bit.

Also - we did not see him consoling or engaging in "taking care of others" sort of behavior in the immediate days afterwards. He was not doing any consoling, he was the one who received consoling.

This is not an altruistic, benevolent man, IMO. If he is consistently & repeatedly involved with very young women who do drugs, it sure isn't because he hopes to take them out of that life of wreckage & ruin.

JMO

[Hannah21]

Well if the only way to defend him would be to turn it around that way, I guess you would be correct although don't hear much about Crytal's friends as recent as Rons. IMO

I don't think she has many friends. When people clean up from drugs they generally do not associate much with people. Especially those from their past.

[Hannah21]

Yeah, it definitely makes you wonder how truthful Ron is about his lack of involvement in drugs when he has drug arrests (yes, I know, not in the very recent past).

Then you factor in that Crystal, Amber & Misty all have significant histories of drug use.

At the very least, he seeks out & has sex with drug-using, drug-abusing & drug-addled females. I don't know about anyone else, but that comes close to completely negating any belief I could have that he is not still involved in drugs.

He does not come across as Casper Milquetoast. He does not come across as a "rescuer" - the kind of sweet guy who just wants to take care of damsels in distress, save them from themselves, keep them from harm, protective & sheltering & so on. If he had an ounce of that sort of temperment, we would have not seen him walk away from Misty when she was being interviewed outside the courthouse. He would have shown some solicitous interest in her wellbeing, but he did not. Not a bit.

Also - we did not see him consoling or engaging in "taking care of others" sort of behavior in the immediate days afterwards. He was not doing any consoling, he was the one who received consoling.

This is not an altruistic, benevolent man, IMO. If he is consistently & repeatedly involved with very young women who do drugs, it sure isn't because he hopes to take them out of that life of wreckage & ruin.

JMO

Excellent assessment. Well done.

[dustyk]

well we know Crystals' going to "mary jane" parties,..and she's living with a man that has a drug conviction and had a PO.
But that wasn't the weekend before she went missing was it? That Mary Jane Party was a surprise party for her, doubt that she decorated it. JMO

[Owlface]

IF Crystal had been cleared i'm sure KP would have told us by now....by the way where did KP go?

and does anyone know how much longer it will be for DCF to finish up their investigation?

If Crystal was cleared by LE why would you think KP would know? If LE isn't talking to the public they are not talking to KP.

[Mimi428]

How can you decipher fake sobs from real sobs but just for other reasons than being sad and desperate? He was either crying or he was not...


LAWDY! Did you ever see Susan Smith crying on camera? Scott Peterson? Jeffrey MacDonald? All of them were recorded doing their own versions of crying, sobbing, tears, grief, etc. Doesn't mean they actually were genuine.

People who are genuinely & sincerely crying do not have the ability to stop on a dime. Hannah has posted about Ron's behavior - where he is seen in the (supposed) depths of despair, sobbing, prostrate with grief - & then he cuts it off in an instant. The ability to stop that instantly (which he did demonstrate) is what tells you he is faking.

JMO

[dustyk]

would you stay at a party like that? I sure wouldn't.
Didn't think this was a discussion about you or I. IMO

[Hannah21]

You were there and witnessed this incident?? Of course not, you are posting a rumor. Lets try to keep this on Haleigh today. There is enough drama with close enough ties to misty to keep the conversation going.
I want to know who this minister is and how he plays a role in Haleigh's abduction.. Like has he been in Ron's trailer? Is he the minister whose parents lived in this trailer or owned it at one time??

bam bam, I was asked a question. I answered it.

As for the minister, he is not directly involved in the disappearance.

[Hannah21]

Yeah I get that, but my point is, if RC was still under a big cloud of suspicion, le would have been nearby, which to me means le is not keeping tabs on Ron and Misty, le is not *watching* them and most likely, le doesn't consider them high on the list of suspects, imo.

If they are watching him and I think they are, they would not blow there cover for riding through a parking lot. One slip like that would make their time a complete waste.

[dustyk]

Yeah I get that, but my point is, if RC was still under a big cloud of suspicion, le would have been nearby, which to me means le is not keeping tabs on Ron and Misty, le is not *watching* them and most likely, le doesn't consider them high on the list of suspects, imo.
This would be correct if we were under the assumption that LE has so many officers that they can put one on every suspicious resident in that area.

[Owlface]

The proof is when he left work, not necessarily the minute he arrived home. Somewhere after 3 am and LE have said they are satisfied with that timeline. So between 3:00 and 3:27 when the 911 call was made.

Thank you. Do we know for sure he worked an 8-hour shift? 8 hours back from 3 am is 7 pm - I thought it was said he went to work shortly after he picked Haleigh up from the bus stop?

[Hannah21]

If you don't get it, sorry I can't help you. And.....I will not be drawn into your attempt to start arguments because everyone is of different opinions her, :wink:

I am not trying to start an argument. I just don't think the 911 call from Amber's GM is relevant to Haleigh's disappearance. So what if RC was in the parking lot. He left and did not commit a crime. IMHO it does not mean much.

I also respect everyone's right to disagree. I am assuming that this blog does not require everyone to drink the same kool-aide and be of one mind set and one opinion.

[bama__angel]

OK, I get your point but I dont think it proves they were not nearby. If they were under surveillance, do you think it would be smart to blow that by making themselves known over something so petty? He had not even broken the law... yet. Even if he had, maybe they wouldnt have even then acted because he hadnt yet given them what they were hoping to find. Know what I mean?



OK...for my fellow posters who believe that Ron is repsonsible for Haleigh's disappearance.....You are a prosecutor.....I'm on the jury....You make me believe this so I can convict him.....and dont try to turn the tables one me and tell me to prove Crystal is responsible because I dont think she is.....

[?noanswer]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php


New article from T J Hart. Contain an audio video interview with Cobra. JMO

[Hannah21]

Apparently Crystal did NOT think he was faking, she is seen comforting him. I think she knows him better then any of us posters. They have known each other since she was 14. Do you think if she thought for one second Ron was involved she would still have on her web site Daddy loves you.???

Yes, I do. The website is for Haleigh. That message is for Haleigh.

Regardless of how RC is or what he has done or even how he has treated Crystal, she has a bond with him. Not only as the mother of 2 of his children but the fact that he was her first love.
I think when she first got there and she tried to unite with RC it was those feeling and the despair of Haleigh missing that is seen in those video accounts in the beginning.
Those are feelings and rarely show what the true meaning of a situation is.

[?noanswer]

I thought he left after picking Haleigh up too. I am not sure what his actual schedule was that day. I have heard 8 hours, 12 hours. I do believe the police though when they say they are satisfied with his timeline...I just don't know what his timeline is...:biggrin:

One would think the first thing LE did would be to verify Ron's timeline re work, school bus, home, etc. JMO

[dustyk]

Apparently Crystal did NOT think he was faking, she is seen comforting him. I think she knows him better then any of us posters. They have known each other since she was 14. Do you think if she thought for one second Ron was involved she would still have on her web site Daddy loves you.???
Well just because as you mention she has known him since she was 14, she probably does. Maybe she was still is shock when she got there, I think I heard she really didn't believe it at first, because as you say she knows Ron, and as the story goes after she had been there people came to her with what they had seen and that is when she became suspicious. She probably doesn't think Ron had anything to do with the actual disappearance or at least waiting to find out. I don't think she liked what she is hearing then and especially now about what was going on around her children. JMO

[Hannah21]

Unless you are the minister, I don't know how you can that as a fact. He is sure throwing up red flags IMO...
What makes you write, NOT directly involved?? Is he indirectly involved???

Because he is only mentioned by Cobra and I take that with a grain of salt until there is more proof.

[Scampi]

Ron can be manipulative, I'll give you that, but I also have to wonder why le wouldn't have taken the chance to talk to Ronald the night he was cruising through the parking lot. If they were seriously looking at Ronald and Misty, wouldn't they have absolutely chased them down immediately? Even if they were doing nothing wrong, a call was called in and that's all a cop needs for suspicion to pull someone over. Did they miss an opportunity here? I would think, no matter if they have ruled Ronald in or out, that they would have jumped at the opportunity to pull him over, yet from what I understand, they never made contact with him or Misty (or the thin black man) that evening.

Does that seem completely odd to anyone else?

jmo

Not if LE has ongoing surveillance on ronald, in hopes he will lead them to Haleigh. In that case imo, they would not have stopped him during his cruise thru at Great GM's.

[Hannah21]

Wow, excellent question. You're right on the ball today!!

Yeah, he is and playing from left field with all due respect. LOL

A little humor in the mix helps.

[Mimi428]

Apparently Crystal did NOT think he was faking, she is seen comforting him. I think she knows him better then any of us posters. They have known each other since she was 14. Do you think if she thought for one second Ron was involved she would still have on her web site Daddy loves you.???

Crystal is/was entitled to think whatever she thought at the time.

What she thinks & what I think are completely unrelated. For one thing, I have had more years than she has even been on the planet in dealing with & interacting with folks who have been in all sorts of stressful situations - & some of them shed genuine tears & some of them tried to show genuine tears, but weren't particularly successful.

JMO

[dustyk]

Yep.

You can rest assured DCFS spoke with the investigating officers in this case to see if LE considered Ron or his home dangerous for Jr. FIRST...

Had they found something or considered Ron a true suspect, Jr would have been moved out on day 1.

IMHO, as always.
How can anyone rest assured that happened! This case is going to be handled just like any other complaint, Lawyer requests investigation after 60 days they give a report, Lawyer uses the report in custody hearing which will again take some time to get a date set. In a perfect world he would have been taken out, but unfortunately this is not a perfect world. IMO

[Hannah21]

Said many times on the blog??? How many have the credentials to back that up?? Even with credentials, I didn't think there was a standard on how someone is supposed to act or react to someone missing a child.
I'll stick with what I posted.
jmo

bullyjo, I was stating that it has been discussed many times by both sides of opinion on this blog as well as other blogs. Meaning it is a subject that has been talked about extensively.

[Scampi]

This minister has me having nightmares. Scanner, inserting himself into this abduction to the point he has personal telephone number to AH and Mr. Bounty Hunter. I just hope his obsession this latest incident, to the point of lying does not go unnoticed by LE.

Why on earth would you accuse this Minister of lying? Couldn't he have just been mistaken?

[Hannah21]

The dispatcher could have even made the mistake. Who knows?

In either case, how could it be related to Haleigh disappearance is the question.

[dustyk]

I'll just take your first question. Drugs or alcohol. People hanging with others does not mean they do what their friends do. I've had friends who do both, one or the other, and none of the above. Doesn't mean I do any of it.
jmo
Looks like you had some time to analyze the answer, but I disagree the first thing you learn when you put that part of your life behind you is to stay away from that sort of activity especially when you have custody of your minor children. Also having given up alcohol altogether I can not stand to be near it, so I have have to agree to disagree on that.
JMO

[Hannah21]

did he say that in the video? I don't have speakers, so didn't watch it, that's awesome. See, sometimes all it takes is one thing. One little thing to completely turn someone's life around.......although they may have to move out of Satsuma to do it!!!

It sounds more and more like the filming of a bad movie.

[dustyk]

I hope Cobra took his proof about this to the LE and FBI so who ever is trying to kill him will be put in jail.
In Satsuma! Statutory rape goes unnoticed. JMO

[Scampi]

bullyjo, I was stating that it has been discussed many times by both sides of opinion on this blog as well as other blogs. Meaning it is a subject that has been talked about extensively.

I understood your point.

BTW, as for there being a standard on how someone is supposed to act or react to someone missing a child, well I'm sure we'll hear the same nonsense from jose baez, when he attempts to tell the jury that casey anthony entering the hot bod contest, while Caylee was missing, was just her way of grieving. imo.

[?noanswer]

the girls are going to do a buddy system and get their GED and they are going to rehab. Great. I'm really glad to hear that.



I hope it works out. Those babies need mommies to take care of them. JMO

[Hannah21]

I understood your point.

BTW, as for there being a standard on how someone is supposed to act or react to someone missing a child, well I'm sure we'll hear the same nonsense from jose baez, when he attempts to tell the jury that casey anthony entering the hot bod contest, while Caylee was missing, was just her way of grieving. imo.

I don't think he can excuse Casey that way. Too much evidence of her party ways.

[dustyk]

Surprise party? Really?
Huh.



Do you have reason to believe it wasn't a surprise party?

[?noanswer]

I understood your point.

BTW, as for there being a standard on how someone is supposed to act or react to someone missing a child, well I'm sure we'll hear the same nonsense from jose baez, when he attempts to tell the jury that casey anthony entering the hot bod contest, while Caylee was missing, was just her way of grieving. imo.

As soon as Cindy A. has her book published, we'll know how to behave when a child is missing! JMO

[?noanswer]

With this cast of characters I wouldn't expect a good movie.

Good, bad, indifferent, I'm hooked and have been since the beginning.

It's slooooooow at times but interesting.

MO

If you figure out how to break the habit, let me know. I am spending way too much time reading same song different verse every day. If I had good sense I would get my behind up and stay away until something breaks. JMO

[dustyk]

What does this have to do with someone wanting to kill WBG and Cobra?
Just wondering why they would arrest someone on suspicion of wanting to kill them, when they wouldn't arrest Ron for suspicion of statutory rape. JMO

[Hannah21]

As soon as Cindy A. has her book published, we'll know how to behave when a child is missing! JMO

Is she going to write a book on how a grandmother allows her grandchild that lives with her in her house to go unseen for 31 days before she calls to report it.
I cannot imagine what lies Cindy could possibly believe that would prevent her from demanding to see Caylee during that time or to allow it to go on for 31 days.
And that is all I will say about Cindy on Haleigh's page.

[Hannah21]

Cobra says it sparked the Cummings family that he bonded the girls out of jail?
Anybody have any thoughts about that?

[dustyk]

do you know the statutory rape laws in FL?
I just looked it up says
A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

(2) The provisions of this section do not apply to a person 16 or 17 years of age who has had the disabilities of nonage removed under chapter 743.

(3) The victim's prior sexual conduct is not a relevant issue in a prosecution under this section.

(4) If an offense under this section directly results in the victim giving birth to a child, paternity of that child shall be established as described in chapter 742. If it is determined that the offender is the father of the child, the offender must pay child support pursuant to the child support guidelines described in chapter 61.

How old is Ron and how old is Misty?

[Hannah21]

My bold to address

You mean this post??

[QUOTE=Hannah21;13041260]It has been said many times on the blog in reference to RC's breakdown on camera.
(snipped for reference)

I don't think bloggers blogging prove anything.
jmo

No one is disputing opinion vs proof. Everything on an internet blog is speculation and opinion. The court room is for proof of evidence.

[Hannah21]

Typical. What I want to see is the presser from Ron's attorney. Does anyone have a link to it? I heard JVM talking about it yesterday but have not been able to locate it. Thanks.

moo

I have not found a link to the press release from RC's attorney either.

[dustyk]

I would certainly hope that would NOT be the case in this instance.

This isn't like "any other" case.
There is a 5 year old girl missing in the night from her father's home.

There should have been an emergency hearing. ASAP

If LE wasn't consulted and Jr is left in that home with what turns out to be a murdering father, I don't think LE or DCFS would want that on their hands.
Perfect world or not.... KWIM?

So, IMHO, I feel there is no rush to move Jr for a reason.


Well what is it? First you say there should have been an emergency hearing, then you say there is no rush to remove Jr. That is why they have to go through the process which is 60 days, they will not base their investigation on emotion. JMO

[Hannah21]

I don't believe you can "Mistake" all he told AH or Mr. Bounty Hunter. Why is he involved with these people?? Nope he is a suspect on my list, very high on my list.

Okay, bam bam, since you feel so strongly about the minister, what information do you have on him? Name, church, family relation to any of the involved? We need more information than just Cobra saying he received a call from an unidentified minister.

[dustyk]

and it has to be someone over the age of 24 and the only person Ron's been with after the age of 24 is Misty and he married her so i doubt they will charge him.

i'm NOT saying what he did was right i'm just talking about the LAW
Even if they would charge him, the charges would be dropped. JMO

[Hannah21]

Even if they would charge him, the charges would be dropped. JMO

I agree and at this point since they married it would taking this too far out of context to charge him with statutory rape. It doesn't seem to be important to Misty's family so why should LE care about that in the mist of a missing 5 year old.

[dustyk]

I agree and at this point since they married it would taking this too far out of context to charge him with statutory rape. It doesn't seem to be important to Misty's family so why should LE care about that in the mist of a missing 5 year old.

That sure would explain the Quickie wedding wouldn't it. Hope she doesn't outgrow him. IMO

[bama__angel]

Even if they would charge him, the charges would be dropped. JMO



ITA....Misty's parents could have pushed LE to charge Ron before they were married.....However, IMO Misty's parents didnt care who she was with and what she was doing as long as it was out of their home.....As a matter of fact Ron's home may have been where Misty felt safest....I know this sounds strange, but I dont think Misty had many people who actually cared...I'm not saying this like I want to.....I have a sinus headache and my head could very well explode...

[bama__angel]

I do.

If Cobra "says it" .... first wait for verification from someone I trust.

And two.....look for the words 'apologies Cummings family' at the end of one of his sentences when he is caught in the lie.



Cobra is .....Let me just say I question his motives and his character...enuff said by me about Cobra....

[Scampi]

As soon as Cindy A. has her book published, we'll know how to behave when a child is missing! JMO

I'm sure we will. Hey, maybe Oprah will make it one of her books of the month? Whoops, too late for that now, cindy. :wink:

[Hannah21]

my bold.

He had trouble acknowledging JR? I didn't know that.

I think the poster is talking about the child he has with Amber.

[Hannah21]

Who is the area drives a red truck?

[Texas48]

That is a Teresa's page, but I don't think it is Theresa Neves. Look at her self description. JMO
Can we put up myspace on board? wasn't there a message from CW ref..myspace or was it in different case? I can't remember...

[HouseOfClark]

yes should we try and find out more information on him? criminey doesn't Cobra have caller ID?

Speaking of ministers, whatever happened to the one that used to go on Nancy Grace talking about what a good Christian Ron was?

He didn't marry Ron and Misty did he?

Seems like he has just dropped from the radar.

[titanfan217]

If police had proof that Ron was not at work for his full shift, I'm sure we would know about it by now.

Bolded by me

But what was that full shift? How long dinner break? Do most people leave the property?

[Hannah21]

Can we put up myspace on board? wasn't there a message from CW ref..myspace or was it in different case? I can't remember...

I don't know. What is the message concerning myspace?

[Texas48]

It's been posted a gazillion times and KP has said numerous times that they have 60 days.TY..now its been said a gazillion and one times..thanks because I couldn't remember either..

[Texas48]

Hiya Owl, I recall that report too. If LE are seriously looking at ronald as a suspect in this, I'm sure they were livid that the report he was sighted leaked out. Or, perhaps they leaked the report to see what he would do. Sometimes "smokey" can be wiley that way.......lol.was that info an actual LE report or..a message board report..?

[Texas48]

too many times. I shouldn't have asked the question. Sorry i brought it up.If it bothered a poster to answer..just remember..they didn't have to..keep that in mind FA

[Texas48]

It has been said many times on the blog in reference to RC's breakdown on camera. And I mean literal on the ground break down. That performance was either fake or the sobs of a man who knows his little girl is never coming back.
The tattoo is a memorial.
In one interview when asked if he thought she is alive, he shakes his head no then said, "I will believe my daughter is alive until she is found." That is very telling.
Also, the first conversation with Crystal he told her he was sorry. I think he feels a special bond with Crystal and that is the closest thing he ever said to the truth and it was meant for her only.
Just my opinionHannah..can you provide a link for these incidents cause honestly I missed them..Not being snarky cause I really didn't see them and I would like to..TIA

[dustyk]

A missing child is not an emotion. It is an emergency and deserves a rush.

As there seems to be no rush In removing Jr there probably is none.

But you know that.

Later peeps. Got life to live. BBL
no sorry I don't know that, I do know the process though and unless Jr would have been physically harmed there are no grounds for an emergency hearing. JMO

[bama__angel]

no sorry I don't know that, I do know the process though and unless Jr would have been physically harmed there are no grounds for an emergency hearing. JMO


I know the procedure also dustyk, and in my state if a child is in immediate physical peril or is in a dangerous living situation DCS acts swiftly....IMO

[dustyk]

no sorry I don't know that, I do know the process though and unless Jr would have been physically harmed there are no grounds for an emergency hearing. JMO
does anyone notice that Amber's Grandma said that Ron had picked up Jordan and brought him back the next day with all of his clothes. Did Ronald really just drop off his child with the teen age mother that was on drugs, wasn't he the better parent? Wonder why he didn't keep him, he could have fought for custody, demanded paternity tests, wonder why he didn't, was it because he had moved on with Misty? Sound familiar? JMO

[dustyk]

I know the procedure also dustyk, and in my state if a child is in immediate physical peril or is in a dangerous living situation DCS acts swiftly....IMO
But what would constitute the immediate physical peril or the dangerous living situation without an investigation?JMO

[dustyk]

Here in Ontario, they can get an order before they even do the investigation, in case they have to do an emergency removal.
I am sure that is the case, but as I said what is the immediate threat to Jr? The allegations have to be investigated. He was not harmed, he was not hospitalized for any injuries. That is why attorney's are needed here just because what we think is so isn't necessarily. KP knows what she is doing. JMO

[dustyk]

If I was analyzing, I'd still be doing that. And I'll disagree with you because I used to drink a lottttt. And it doesn't bother me in the least if others do it around me at all.
Oh well I apologize, guess that's why it didn't bother Crystal to be at that Mary Jane party. JMO

[dustyk]

Keeping him before getting a DNA wouldn't be wise in my book.
Wondering if he had DNA on Haleigh or Jr?

[Scampi]

Speaking of ministers, whatever happened to the one that used to go on Nancy Grace talking about what a good Christian Ron was?

He didn't marry Ron and Misty did he?

Seems like he has just dropped from the radar.

Perhaps he's decided to do God's work by making reports instead.....lol.

[bama__angel]

Here in Ontario, they can get an order before they even do the investigation, in case they have to do an emergency removal.



Emergency removal orders are fairly routine in my area, and truthfully when Crystal's attorney, whatever her name is, was giving all of her face time on tv with all of this alleged evidence of abuse by Ron, I assumed that Crystal was going for an immediate removal of Jr. from Ron's custody.....because in fact he was in immediate physical peril....

[Scampi]

was that info an actual LE report or..a message board report..?

I recall reading it in one of the local papers, don't recall how it was sourced.

[Hannah21]

Hannah..can you provide a link for these incidents cause honestly I missed them..Not being snarky cause I really didn't see them and I would like to..TIA

It is in the GR interview.

[dustyk]

Emergency removal orders are fairly routine in my area, and truthfully when Crystal's attorney, whatever her name is, was giving all of her face time on tv with all of this alleged evidence of abuse by Ron, I assumed that Crystal was going for an immediate removal of Jr. from Ron's custody.....because in fact he was in immediate physical peril....
Well it is evident that was an incorrect assumption, her attorney knows she has a better shot of custody going this route. JMO

[dustyk]

Which child was it that was beaten bloody?? I forget.
Lest we forget it has to be proven, thus the investigation. JMO

[bama__angel]

Well it is evident that was an incorrect assumption, her attorney knows she has a better shot of custody going this route. JMO



This certainly isnt the first incorrect assumption on my part.....I'm sure it wont be my last one......Thank you for your input.....

[dustyk]

Don't recall me saying it did.
Didn't say you did, just thinking out loud. JMO

[titanfan217]

Nothing......absolutely nothing. X figured it all out IMO. Ron got mad killed Haleigh and her grandmother moved her little lifeless body to the water :(

There are others that I would think more likely than TN -- brothers, sisters & families for example.

[Hannah21]

Which child was it that was beaten bloody?? I forget.

As I recall, people have said RC backhanded Haleigh and she fell on her face on the porch, there may have been blood. And that he "smacked" JR in the face and gave him a bloody nose.
Those are the only two I remember hearing about.

[dustyk]

Exactly. I was just saying that if there was immediate threat, I'm sure it would have been acted upon. Obviously there was none.
nOne proven, just alleged JMO

[Hannah21]

Didn't KP say she has proof? Wouldn't a beaten bloody child call for immediate action??

Yes, it would, IMO.

[FrankieBones1]

Bolded by me

But what was that full shift? How long dinner break? Do most people leave the property?
I was under the impression that it was a twelve hour shift but somewhere along the line, his minister blurted out, "Eight hours".

How long would it take to get from the construction site to his trailer home and back? Is it too far a trip to go home for dinner?

Edited to add: I would think that a person going home that late for his break would only wake up the rest of the household.

[dustyk]

Didn't KP say she has proof? Wouldn't a beaten bloody child call for immediate action??
Evidently not, you would have to contact DCFS here is a link
http://www.state.fl.us/cf_web/

[bama__angel]

Didn't KP say she has proof? Wouldn't a beaten bloody child call for immediate action??



ITA.......I thought that was the reason for all of her face time on NG and every other TV show that she could be on, to let all know that Ron jr. was in immediate grave physical danger with Ron and Misty from Ron's abuse and their lifestyle.....IMO

[Hannah21]

I was under the impression that it was a twelve hour shift but somewhere along the line, his minister blurted out, "Eight hours".

How long would it take to get from the construction site to his trailer home and back? Is it too far a trip to go home for dinner?

Has anyone check PDM to see if they operate under 8 or 12 hour shifts?
If he went in at 3PM to 3AM which is what I thought was said , it is a 12 hour shift. 8 hours would have been to midnight and there would be 3.5 hours unaccounted for. This is significant information to check.

[bama__angel]

I was under the impression that it was a twelve hour shift but somewhere along the line, his minister blurted out, "Eight hours".

How long would it take to get from the construction site to his trailer home and back? Is it too far a trip to go home for dinner?

Edited to add: I would think that a person going home that late for his break would only wake up the rest of the household.


Frankie, Ron worked 15-20 minutes away from his place of employment IIRC........ Say 30 - 40 minutes round trip.......quite a long time to be gone when you operate a piece of machinery....and need to clock in and out...IMO

[dustyk]

Thanks. I wonder when these incidents happened?? I also wonder why no one reported it, to LE and/to Crystal?? And please, don't tell me they are all afraid of the big bad Ron.
Hopefully they will be forced to go to court and explain that, Some people don't want to get involved. JMO

[Hannah21]

Thanks. I wonder when these incidents happened?? I also wonder why no one reported it, to LE and/to Crystal?? And please, don't tell me they are all afraid of the big bad Ron.

I have questioned that too. Why not report it when it happens? I don't have the whole story but it could be they did and that would account for previous DFCS investigations.

The big bad Ron...that is funny!

[FrankieBones1]

Frankie, Ron worked 15-20 minutes away from his place of employment IIRC........ Say 30 - 40 minutes round trip.......quite a long time to be gone when you operate a piece of machinery....and need to clock in and out...IMO
30 to 40 minutes plus time to eat. That's true. Too long to be away from work. Wonder if there are security cams at the job site.

[Texas48]

Why on earth would you accuse this Minister of lying? Couldn't he have just been mistaken?I will not bash/put down..this minister but..anymore..anyone..at anytime..associated with a church or ministries or boy scouts or coaches or school teachers or LE Officers..next door neighbors and even female SS teachers can Go astray..JMO

[bama__angel]

30 to 40 minutes plus time to eat. That's true. Too long to be away from work. Wonder if there are security cams at the job site.



I dont know, but I would bet there are: Eyes at all places of employment these days......IIRC Ron's shift at that time was 4pm to 3am....It was an 11 hour shift......So if he got home at about 320 that sounds just just about right to me.....IMO

[bama__angel]

And yet...there he stays...could it be the allegation was (GASP) false?



I dont know....just go figure why anyone would make false allegations at this time....I dont know why....Ron jr. has enough to deal with at this time.....I cant see making either parent look bad to him now or ever....IMO