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meadowlark

04-24-2009, 09:43 PM

oodi

04-24-2009, 09:43 PM

meadowlark,

For Folsom PD to issue a statement that it is purely rumor that Timothy Lawless is related to MH, the rumors must be really flying, and people must be asking.

GentleBreeze

04-24-2009, 09:47 PM

As far as I know, this is the second time in the last week or so that there has been incorrect and/or incomplete info on the KRON site.... they've lost credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And the power they have can be dangerous. They hardly ever come back and correct it. They wont on this either, imo.

imo

GentleBreeze

04-24-2009, 09:48 PM

Thanks so much GB. I think it should be mandatory when a plea is accepted that the perp. has to divulge each and every part of the crime as part of their sentence.

I think it should be mandatory too, Leanne.

imo

oodi

04-24-2009, 09:50 PM

supposedly

timothy lawless was arrested in folsom. The folsom newspaper is the one who started the rumor.

the folsom newpaper is the folsom telegraph, but if I try to search their paper for an article nothing shows up for timothy or any arrest for any sex crimes. maybe they took it off?

I guess someone could call them and ask them LOL

Folsom Telegraph
49 Natoma St # D
Folsom, CA 95630
(916) 985-2581

folsomtelegraph.com

He was arrested on April 15th... some newspapers only keep their archives online for a week, so it may not be available online any more.

Yet another prime example of how the media gets it WRONG. :cursing:

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 09:53 PM

Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44 Map It
108 Monowood Dr
Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address

Reported: 04/15/2009 by Arrest Reporter No. 7205
Source: Folsom PD

F PC289(J) Rape By For. Obj.: (V) Under 14

Bail Amount:
Residing in Arrest Zone: Fair Oaks, Folsom & Roseville
Arrest Report No. 3768894

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html

Scroll down to Timothy Lawless AGE 44

Recheck who you are posting here with that address and age. I don't think you have the right Timothy J. Lawless aka Timothy Gomes in SACRAMENTO.
IMO

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 09:53 PM

the only other possibility I can think of is if one of the lawless boys had another wife or a child out of wedlock who was named lawless.

you would think if timothy is really related to melissa, that by now the news investigative reporters would be all over it and have dug it up by now. hmmm

still looking up things.

still digging up info on lawless family.

Themis

04-24-2009, 09:54 PM

Journalism sure has changed, tammy.

Now they just want to be the first one out with the breaking story and most never retract or admit they put out misinformation either.

imoo
I agree, GentleBreeze. Journalism seems to have taken a back seat to what used to be called 'yellow journalism' or 'yellow rag journalism.'
Definition: Journalism that exploits, distorts, or exaggerates the news to create sensations and attract readers.

Those tabloid type papers we all see at the supermarket checkouts used to be the main offenders; now we have a growing number of websites on the Internet.
It has even spread to certain shows complete with 'talking head experts' on cable news channels. It is really sad. [JMO * Themis]

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 09:57 PM

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html

Scroll down to Timothy Lawless AGE 44

Recheck who you are posting here with that address and age. I don't think you have the right Timothy J. Lawless aka Timothy Gomes in SACRAMENTO.
IMO

yes I have all of those also... same person, different data bases...

here is the actual court filings and court dates etc

Tim J Lawless

Alias:
Name First Name Middle Name
4417503 GOMES TIMOTHY JOHN
4417503 LAWLESS TIM J
4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN

Filing Information:

09F02854 04/17/2009 4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN Active Complaint 34470

Filing Charges:
Count Charge Severity
C001 PC 288(A) FEL
C002 PC 288(A) FEL
C003 PC 288(A) FEL
C004 PC 288(A) FEL
C005 PC 288(A) FEL
C006 PC 288(A) FEL
C007 PC 288(A) FEL
C008 PC 288(A) FEL
C009 PC 288(A) FEL
C010 PC 288(A) FEL

04/24/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 SC
04/23/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 SC CONT
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 ARRAIGN ARRAIGNFEL
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 COUNSEL PD/APPT
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 SC CONT

LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN

Alias:
First Name Middle Name
4417503 GOMES TIMOTHY JOHN
4417503 LAWLESS TIM J
4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN

Filing Information:

09F02854 04/17/2009 4417503 LAWLESS TIMOTHY JOHN Active Complaint 34470

Filing Charges:
Count Charge Severity
C001 PC 288(A) FEL
C002 PC 288(A) FEL
C003 PC 288(A) FEL
C004 PC 288(A) FEL
C005 PC 288(A) FEL
C006 PC 288(A) FEL
C007 PC 288(A) FEL
C008 PC 288(A) FEL
C009 PC 288(A) FEL
C010 PC 288(A) FEL

Hearing History:
Date Time Department Reason Outcome
04/24/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 SC
04/23/2009 8:30 AM Department 63 SC CONT
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 ARRAIGN ARRAIGNFEL
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 COUNSEL PD/APPT
04/17/2009 1:30 PM Department 63 SC CONT

tammym

04-24-2009, 09:59 PM

Journalism sure has changed, tammy.

Now they just want to be the first one out with the breaking story and most never retract or admit they put out misinformation either.

imoo
Yes and if I remember right, one news station put up the wrong MH pic early on.

The rumors as opposed to fact may get worse than ever especially since there is a gag order in place. imo

oodi

04-24-2009, 10:00 PM

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html

Scroll down to Timothy Lawless AGE 44

Recheck who you are posting here with that address and age. I don't think you have the right Timothy J. Lawless aka Timothy Gomes in SACRAMENTO.
IMO

Here is the link to the Sac Sheriff's Office info on him:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=F7BBEC875705C21DAFD7EAD24B4C5 2894AFBC7

Firefly

04-24-2009, 10:01 PM

Firefly, I agree with your first paragraph and appreciate the thoughtful information about the medical examiner.

But I think this will turn out to be Murder in the Second degree, that is, a death caused by wanton disregard for life. As in, she allowed Sandra to ride on the hood of the car and she fell off and then ran over her.

I too am alone in my assessment I think, but the fact that everyone is roundly in disbelief that a woman could act alone and do what she is charged with - coupled with the fact that she has confessed but states it was an accident . . . leads me to believe it was an accident. She knows they have the forensics, and still states it was an accident.

I think she could have fallen and caused external bruising, and this has caused this really almost incredible story of sexual assault - a murder with brutal sexual assault, and disposal of the remains - that took place in less than an hour. S T R E T C H E S believability.

Occam's razor - the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

We'll see, probably not anytime soon.

Actually young lady (I'll assume you are a young lady), I owe you an apology. I was somewhat dismissive of your theory about the death of Sandra Cantu as being an accident. At the time I could not conceive of a way in which it might have even REMOTELY been an accident.

So I'm afraid I walked away from the computer commenting to myself on what I considered to be your somewhat foolish notions. Not long after this I was struck by a series of images and "notions" of my own that I'll relate to you now. (If you'll remember I commented on another page about psychic impressions, and I'll remind you that I consider myself to be something of a mystic. You may now classify me as a "loon" and join the ranks of everyone else.)

Nonetheless, a series of what I'll call "powerful ideas" struck me as I was denigrating your notion of an accidental death. I do not believe these notions to be a true and accurate representation of events. I think instead they were a warning of sorts to me not to get too "uppity" within myself, and as a reminder to always be willing to entertain alternatives at every level. Again, I'll say that I don't believe this actually happened. It would however, if true, make the notion of second degree murder verdict, as you suggested, at least possibly within reach--I believe nothing else would.

The "notions":
Imagine that Melissa Huckaby takes the stand in her own defense. I'll use MH to represent Ms Huckaby and Law. to represent her lawyer.

Law: "Ms. Huckaby, you are now admitting under oath that you gave a muscle relaxant to a 7 year old girl on January 17th, 2009? Is that correct?"

MH: "Yes sir."

Law: "Ms. Huckaby...why would you administer a drug to a 7 year old?"

MH: *audible sigh*...My daughter had been friends with the two girls, and they visited our house constantly. My daughter is 5. They were both older than her."

Law: "I'm afraid I don't...."

MH: interrupting..."My daughter was coming to me crying. Everytime she played with the older girls she would lose whatever game they were playing. They'd beat her at jacks, or on the computer. Everything. They'd go home and she'd come crying to me telling me they had kept her dollies away from her. And after a while...I dunno...."

Law: "You don't know what Ms. Huckaby?"

MH: "I don't know. I just got tired of her losing. I thought....if I gave them....something to slow them down. Something that would make them fumble fingered...sleepy...that my daughter would be able to beat them at some game, you know?"

Law: "What about sexually assaulting them? Did you ever do that?"

MH: "Never! I would never do that. I just wanted my daughter to beat them a couple of times."

Law: "And you would take the children from their homes to do this?"

MH: "No. I know I'm accused of kidnapping, but that never happened. I had permission to take the children."

Law: "And you took one of them to the park...after administering a relaxant?"

Mh: "Yes"

Law: "Why the park?"

MH: "We were going to do hop scotch. I knew if she was drugged my daughter would win."

Law: "What happened on the day Sandra Cantu went missing?"

MH: "Sandra came to the house. She wanted to play with my daughter. I told her that was fine...and then I asked her if she wanted a soda and she said yes."

Law: "Did you drug that drink Ms. Huckaby?"

MH: "Yes...*puts her head in her hands and rocks silently for several seconds*....Yes I did....*a sob is heard*"

Law: "What happened then?"

MH: "We went to the church to get a board game. Chutes and Ladders. And when we were walking back toward the door she just....fell over. I thought she'd fallen asleep. I went over to her and she wasn't breathing. I never meant for her to get hurt."

Law: "What did you do then Ms. Huckaby?"

MH: "I tried to revive her. It didn't work. And then....I thought.....they're going to arrest me! I panicked. I started thinking....I've got to get her out of here. So I put her in a suitcase and took her out to the fields."

So I'll apologize. I don't for a second believe this is the actual occurrence, but if testimony like this were to be given on the stand, and assuming there is not evidence of sexual assault or kidnapping, then I suppose there is the outside chance that a second degree murder charge MIGHT be attained by the defense.

My apologizes again.

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 10:06 PM

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html

Scroll down to Timothy Lawless AGE 44

Recheck who you are posting here with that address and age. I don't think you have the right Timothy J. Lawless aka Timothy Gomes in SACRAMENTO.
IMO

okay let me try to understand what you mean so I can know why you think this is the wrong person? I don't want to be making mistakes.

when you go to this link you get timothy lawless arrest report by folsom PD. this is the same one I am looking at only in another database.

and the verified address is the one on the police report from folsom. verified by the police.

so... help me here. what are you seeinng that I am missing so if I am mistaken I can fix this :smile:

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:06 PM

Here is the link to the Sac Sheriff's Office info on him:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=F7BBEC875705C21DAFD7EAD24B4C5 2894AFBC7

Yes, I know. He's 44 and married and owns a business in Sacramento and lives there. The one that was listed above, by another poster, is younger and not the same guy and has the wrong address listed by the poster. IMO.

Themis

04-24-2009, 10:09 PM

I have tried to do a search under Clarkston Wash..Asotin County to see if any Timothy Lawless/Gomes ever
arrested there but I can't even find jail info there.
Just curious if he had any connection in Wash.

My searching skills leave alot to be desired.

Props to you guys who are good at it..lol
Tammym, as I posted early this morning, Clarkston, Washington is a very small town, 2 square miles in area and with less than 8,000 population according to the 2000 Census.

Immediately across the Snake River is Lewiston, Idaho; 17 square miles in area. Lewiston is the county seat of Nez Perce County, had a population estimate of 31,300 in 2006.

So, any jail activity for Clarkston would probably be in Lewiston, Idaho, zip 83501. Area code 208.

"The twin cities of Clarkston, Washington and Lewiston, Idaho were named in honor of the famous explorers, William Clark and Meriwether Lewis from the Corps of Discovery Lewis and Clark Expedition."

Keep on searchin' Tammym.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:13 PM

okay let me try to understand what you mean so I can know why you think this is the wrong person? I don't want to be making mistakes.

when you go to this link you get timothy lawless arrest report by folsom PD. this is the same one I am looking at only in another database.

and the verified address is the one on the police report from folsom. verified by the police.

so... help me here. what are you seeinng that I am missing so if I am mistaken I can fix this :smile:

The one you listed with the address in Folsom is 37 years old IMO and by the databases I use. The one arrested is 44. jmo and my databases.

tammym

04-24-2009, 10:14 PM

okay let me try to understand what you mean so I can know why you think this is the wrong person? I don't want to be making mistakes.

when you go to this link you get timothy lawless arrest report by folsom PD. this is the same one I am looking at only in another database.

and the verified address is the one on the police report from folsom. verified by the police.

so... help me here. what are you seeinng that I am missing so if I am mistaken I can fix this :smile:
I am looking here..

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=396A8A230C2B861953E3C1CC17146 E94D5E017

No real confusion except I only see.....

LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14

Can't see rape w/foreign object.

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:18 PM

I am looking here..

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=396A8A230C2B861953E3C1CC17146 E94D5E017

No real confusion except I only see.....

LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACT W/CHILD UNDER 14

Can't see rape w/foreign object.

It came from this one
http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html
Scroll down and click on Timothy Lawless (no numerical address listed on either record)
Everyone on the above record has "verified address" as Folsom.
moo

tammym

04-24-2009, 10:19 PM

Tammym, as I posted early this morning, Clarkston, Washington is a very small town, 2 square miles in area and with less than 8,000 population according to the 2000 Census.

Immediately across the Snake River is Lewiston, Idaho; 17 square miles in area. Lewiston is the county seat of Nez Perce County, had a population estimate of 31,300 in 2006.

So, any jail activity for Clarkston would probably be in Lewiston, Idaho, zip 83501. Area code 208.

"The twin cities of Clarkston, Washington and Lewiston, Idaho were named in honor of the famous explorers, William Clark and Meriwether Lewis from the Corps of Discovery Lewis and Clark Expedition."

Keep on searchin' Tammym.:smile: [JMO * Themis]
Ah thanks, well I am not at all familiar with Ca, Wash, or Idaho...
(obviously.lol)

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 10:20 PM

It never did make sense. Pastor Lawless has been the Pastor in Tracy since 1981.

imo

I could not figure it out either the years did not match up he would have had to of been a Pastor of 2 churches glad it got cleared up..media needs to think about peoples life's and not the big dollar signs..I don't know if anyone in her family knew what she did or why they keep searching places..but with the gag order you better believe there is going to be tons of BS coming out to keep newspapers selling....

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 10:21 PM

Yes, I know. He's 44 and married and owns a business in Sacramento and lives there. The one that was listed above, by another poster, is younger and not the same guy and has the wrong address listed by the poster. IMO.

this one is the same age, age 44... he is also arrested in folsom, just like the one on your link.

the only difference is, in this data base he is arrested for 289 rape with a foreign object when victim is under 14, but by the time he gets to the actual court hearings he is charged with 10 counts of lews and Lav acts with person under 14

folsom is right on the outskirts of sacramento.
its the same jail, same courts.

Originally Posted by meadowlark
Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44
108 Monowood Dr
Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address

Reported: 04/15/2009 by Arrest Reporter No. 7205
Source: Folsom PD

F PC289(J) Rape By For. Obj.: (V) Under 14

Bail Amount:
Residing in Arrest Zone: Fair Oaks, Folsom & Roseville
Arrest Report No. 3768894

then if you go to YOUR link

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html

you scroll down to YOUR person

Timothy Lawless
04/15/09: Sex Crimes
(Folsom PD)
you get folsom PD

click on YOUR link
you get this
Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44

Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reported: 04/15/2009 by Arrest Reporter No. 7205
Source: Folsom PD

F PC289(J) Rape By For. Obj.: (V) Under 14

Bail Amount:
Residing in Arrest Zone: Fair Oaks, Folsom & Roseville
Arrest Report No. 3768894

same dates, same name, same age, same arresting pd(folsom)

************

now if I am still mistaken I am totally missing it ugh.
what are your seeing that I am not? Help! :smile:

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 10:22 PM

It came from this one
http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html
Scroll down and click on Timothy Lawless (no numerical address listed on either record)
Everyone on the above record has "verified address" as Folsom.
moo

ok guess I missed this so this is not a family member?

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 10:25 PM

Larry King was good tonight. Very scary seeing these good looking, normal people as murderers. Im locking up my house real tight tonight.

Oh I am so glad you said that thank goodness it repeats a few times..

oodi

04-24-2009, 10:27 PM

Tammym, as I posted early this morning, Clarkston, Washington is a very small town, 2 square miles in area and with less than 8,000 population according to the 2000 Census.

Immediately across the Snake River is Lewiston, Idaho; 17 square miles in area. Lewiston is the county seat of Nez Perce County, had a population estimate of 31,300 in 2006.

So, any jail activity for Clarkston would probably be in Lewiston, Idaho, zip 83501. Area code 208.

"The twin cities of Clarkston, Washington and Lewiston, Idaho were named in honor of the famous explorers, William Clark and Meriwether Lewis from the Corps of Discovery Lewis and Clark Expedition."

Keep on searchin' Tammym.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

Actually, the Asotin County Jail is in Clarkston, WA

http://www.co.asotin.wa.us/sheriff_jail.htm

And the Nez Perce County Jail is in Lewiston, ID

http://www.co.nezperce.id.us/ElectedOffices/Sheriff/Jail/tabid/537/Default.aspx

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:31 PM

this one is the same age, age 44... he is also arrested in folsom, just like the one on your link.

the only difference is, in this data base he is arrested for 289 rape with a foreign object when victim is under 14, but by the time he gets to the actual court hearings he is charged with 10 counts of lews and Lav acts with person under 14

folsom is right on the outskirts of sacramento.
its the same jail, same courts.

Originally Posted by meadowlark
Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44
108 Monowood Dr
Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address
same dates, same name, same age, same arresting pd(folsom)

************

now if I am still mistaken I am totally missing it ugh.
what are your seeing that I am not? Help! :smile:

That address was not on any record posted here. Where did that address come from?????? Just post the link (that you left off your first post about this post #283) :smile:

Themis

04-24-2009, 10:33 PM

Actually, the Asotin County Jail is in Clarkston, WA

http://www.co.asotin.wa.us/sheriff_jail.htm

And the Nez Perce County Jail is in Lewiston, ID

http://www.co.nezperce.id.us/ElectedOffices/Sheriff/Jail/tabid/537/Default.aspx
Thank you, Oodi, for posting this detailed jail information about Clarkson, Washington and Lewiston, Idaho. It's good to know and I really appreciate it.:smile:
[JMO * Themis]

oodi

04-24-2009, 10:39 PM

Thank you, Oodi, for posting this detailed jail information about Clarkson, Washington and Lewiston, Idaho. It's good to know and I really appreciate it.:smile:
[JMO * Themis]

No problem, Themis... I only thought to look, cuz I have friends in Kansas City... some on the KS side and some on the MO side. I knew there are 2 different city and county govts there, so I figured it had to be the same for Clarkston and Lewiston.

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:39 PM

ok guess I missed this so this is not a family member?

I can't find any connection to CLL or anyone in his family.
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Comment:
Just*My*Opinion wrote on Friday, Apr 24 at 04:40 PM »
This is the response I got from a reporter at KCRA re: Timothy Lawless being related to MH.

The Folsom Police Department tells me this was a rumor that started in a local folsom newspaper. It has absolutely no merit whatsoever.
:shrug:

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 10:40 PM

Notice some Huckabee's were in attendance?

yeah I was not being rude earlier when I said did no one read my post..I was joking I saw it this morning and it drove me nuts since it was so close to MH name..anyway it must be a family that the Pastor and his family has be friends with for some time because I saw in a old newspaper link that the Lawless family visited with EL. The Pastors step-mother and then went on for a small trip to the Huckabee's...so I had to google away and found a comment left from his granddaughter saying she knew the Lawless family and Harris family but did not really know MH and they were not related at all and he is not in the ministry..sorry if you thought I was being rude I wasn't..

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 10:40 PM

That address was not on any record posted here. Where did that address come from?????? Just post the link (that you left off your first post about this post #283) :smile:

that address came from the folsom pd arrest and incident reports. no it was not posted here it is something "I" looked up myself in another database.

it is the listed VERIFIED ADDRESS on the document.

what link? I left no link off that I know of. LOL

its the very same guy on the same date at the same place, same age, same name. how can it be some other guy?

I just don't get how you think it is, but if it is, I need to know how you are coming up with that. because I got that address straight off the report doc

Themis

04-24-2009, 10:43 PM

No problem, Themis... I only thought to look, cuz I have friends in Kansas City... some on the KS side and some on the MO side. I knew there are 2 different city and county govts there, so I figured it had to be the same for Clarkston and Lewiston.
Good thinking! I should have thought of that, too, since Clarkson and Lewiston are not only in different counties but different states! Duh, me!:smile: Thank you, again, Oodi.:smile: [JMO * Themis]

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 10:45 PM

I can't find any connection to CLL or anyone in his family.
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Comment:
Just*My*Opinion wrote on Friday, Apr 24 at 04:40 PM »
This is the response I got from a reporter at KCRA re: Timothy Lawless being related to MH.

The Folsom Police Department tells me this was a rumor that started in a local folsom newspaper. It has absolutely no merit whatsoever.
:shrug:

O ok sorry I was lost..so it is not true..

Riverwalk!

04-24-2009, 10:53 PM

that address came from the folsom pd arrest and incident reports. no it was not posted here it is something "I" looked up myself in another database.

it is the listed VERIFIED ADDRESS on the document.

what link? I left no link off that I know of. LOL

its the very same guy on the same date at the same place, same age, same name. how can it be some other guy?

I just don't get how you think it is, but if it is, I need to know how you are coming up with that. because I got that address straight off the report doc

Again, see your post #283. No link was given but it is exactly as this one:
Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44

Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address

Reported: 04/15/2009 by Arrest Reporter No. 7205
Source: Folsom PD

F PC289(J) Rape By For. Obj.: (V) Under 14

Bail Amount:
Residing in Arrest Zone: Fair Oaks, Folsom & Roseville
Arrest Report No. 3768894

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html
scroll down to Lawless and click.
No address was given. Click on anyone on that page and no address is given.

There IS a Timothy Lawless at the address you listed in Folsom, Ca. but he's 37 not 44. The other link:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=58614D69CDE66D094B620BFA29CD6 ECDB44706

No address given above either.

Need to leave now. I've got to finalize plans for tomorrow night. Bye for now.

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 11:00 PM

Again, see your post #283. No link was given but it is exactly as this one:
Lawless, Timothy - (M/W) - Age 44

Folsom, CA 95630-2718 Verified Address

Reported: 04/15/2009 by Arrest Reporter No. 7205
Source: Folsom PD

F PC289(J) Rape By For. Obj.: (V) Under 14

Bail Amount:
Residing in Arrest Zone: Fair Oaks, Folsom & Roseville
Arrest Report No. 3768894

http://www.sacbee.com/arrestlogs/story/1566646.html
scroll down to Lawless and click.
No address was given. Click on anyone on that page and no address is given.

There IS a Timothy Lawless at the address you listed in Folsom, Ca. but he's 37 not 44. The other link:

http://www.sacsheriff.com/inmate_information/inmate_details.cfm?a=58614D69CDE66D094B620BFA29CD6 ECDB44706

No address given above either.

Need to leave now. I've got to finalize plans for tomorrow night. Bye for now.

yes, YOUR data base has NO STREET ADDRESS... mine does, it has the address listed on it. LOL two separate databases, yours omits the street address, mine does not. neither of those links you posted is where I am getting my information. LOL

do you honestly think I would just pull up some address and attach it to something that did not have one on it LOL

it is the verified address on the doc and I copied and pasted it straight over here from MY database which is NEITHER of the two links you posted.

now unless the pd put the wrong address on their doc(which I find that strange) then this guy is also listed at this address.

I also find it pretty weird we would have two timothy lawless arrested on the same date for the same type of offense IN FOLSOM.
so if something is wrong here, it is wrong on the folsom pd incident report. Why would they put someone elses address on there?

its possible they did I guess, but I don't see that being the case.

ok I have a manton address here, let me go look that up and see who that is, because I know there are less that 300 people in manton and there is no way there are two timothy lawless there. LOL

aproudmom

04-24-2009, 11:02 PM

oodi

04-24-2009, 11:06 PM

Looks like alot of locals are not so happy with the hush hush on this case and the details of what evidence there is..to me I am wondering if the Judge did not really mean for it to be taken that way..I am sure she has seen the outrage already and knows it would only be worse on all the parties to lift the gag order..I am just thinking out loud and I do not live there so I do not blame the locals for being angry wanting to know if they are safe..I am sure all these searches still going on has only scared them more and LE can not comment on anything now...The charges alone was a outrage to me and I want a fair trial for Sandra and her killer to be put away forever..so if it takes not knowing everything it is worth it..

I also do not understand the big deal over the ME if the def. questions his ability why did they drop the req for a second autopsy..:confused:

Purely a guess on my part, but if I were the defense atty, and there was no reason to think that the ME was completely incompetent, I sure wouldn't want to further outrage a potential jury pool by exhuming the body of a little girl that had been raped and murdered. JMO

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 11:20 PM

okay, not even using my database for this and it is still coming out the same person with that address and all of this is of this is on the net where anyone can go look

NEXT OPPORTUNITY, INC his biz
Rancho cordova, CA
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN
(PRESIDENT)
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY JOHN
(REGISTERED AGENT)

VENDORCONNECTS, INC his biz

Timothy Lawless
108 Monowood Dr his address
Folsom, CA 95630-2718
Job title: Owner
Company: Next Opportunity his biz, same as above,

VENDORCONNECTS, INC his biz
Rancho cordova, CA
LAWLESS, TIMOTHY
(REGISTERED AGENT)

NEXT OPPORTUNITY, INC his biz

LAWLESS, TIMOTHY J (Age 44) his age

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

VENDORCONX INC
NEXT OPPORTUNITY, INC
VENDORCONNECTS, INC same bizes as the address above
RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
SACRAMENTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

NEASBITT, CHONA JEAN (Age 35)
LAWLESS, CHONA J (Age 35)

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44) his alias

Associated names:

LAWLESS, TIMOTHY
RANCHO CORDOVA, CA
SACRAMENTO, CA
CORNING, CA
SAINT ANN, MO
ANTELOPE, CA
NOVATO, CA
MANTON, CA
CHICO, CA
SAINT LOUIS, MO
SAN FRANCISCO FPO, CA
BRIDGETON, MO

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43)
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
GOMES, BURNHAM
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71)
GOMES, GARY D
NEASBITT, CHONA JEAN (Age 35)
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41)
LAWLESS, CHONA J (Age 35)
LAWLESS, GARYE

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DAVIS, TIMOTHY
ROBERTSON, CHARLES ERNEST (Age 36)
ROBERTSON, F M

same guy, same age, same alias as in jail, same address, same businesses owned.

and it all matches what is in MY database.

it has to be the same guy.

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 11:23 PM

and now that I have spent all afternoon researching this guy he probably has nothing at all to do with any thing, except he is some horrible child molester. LOL

oodi

04-24-2009, 11:31 PM

and now that I have spent all afternoon researching this guy he probably has nothing at all to do with any thing, except he is some horrible child molester. LOL

LOL!

Well blinkoncrime.com is still maintaining that he IS related to MH, despite several comments referring to the statement by Folsom PD that they aren't. But they also still refuse to state how they are related.

I found comment #58 and Blink's response interesting... especially since the arrest appeared in the paper a week ago. I'm not sure why Blink thinks he "scooped" this.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/

For Gabriel

04-24-2009, 11:32 PM

yeah I was not being rude earlier when I said did no one read my post..I was joking I saw it this morning and it drove me nuts since it was so close to MH name..anyway it must be a family that the Pastor and his family has be friends with for some time because I saw in a old newspaper link that the Lawless family visited with EL. The Pastors step-mother and then went on for a small trip to the Huckabee's...so I had to google away and found a comment left from his granddaughter saying she knew the Lawless family and Harris family but did not really know MH and they were not related at all and he is not in the ministry..sorry if you thought I was being rude I wasn't..

No offense taken! :)

TXbeaver

04-24-2009, 11:40 PM

Forgive if you have already discussed, but I just read this and was shocked:

FBI murder investigation leads to Idaho questioning

11:51 AM MDT on Friday, April 24, 2009

KREM.com

Detectives investigating the murder of a California girl have taken their case to Lewiston, Idaho.

A television station in Sacramento reports authorities have questioned people at the Warner Alliance Church in North Idaho. Police are questioning people about Pastor Lane Lawless.

KREM 2 News

Melissa Huckaby

He is the grandfather of 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby. She is charged with raping and kidnapping 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Lawless is also the pastor of the Baptist church in California where Huckaby taught Sunday school.

Sources say Lawless was questioned years ago about alleged child abuse at the Lewiston church.

There is little information out about Lawless’ connection with the Idaho church. Authorities in Lewiston say they do not have a criminal investigation open on Lawless

TXbeaver

04-24-2009, 11:43 PM

I'm not understanding this. Lane Lawless was questioned in the mid-80s about abuse allegations at a church in Washington state. And he was questioned about abuse allegations at another church in Idaho, time period unknown?

oodi

04-24-2009, 11:45 PM

GentleBreeze

04-24-2009, 11:50 PM

Looks like alot of locals are not so happy with the hush hush on this case and the details of what evidence there is..to me I am wondering if the Judge did not really mean for it to be taken that way..I am sure she has seen the outrage already and knows it would only be worse on all the parties to lift the gag order..I am just thinking out loud and I do not live there so I do not blame the locals for being angry wanting to know if they are safe..I am sure all these searches still going on has only scared them more and LE can not comment on anything now...The charges alone was a outrage to me and I want a fair trial for Sandra and her killer to be put away forever..so if it takes not knowing everything it is worth it..

I also do not understand the big deal over the ME if the def. questions his ability why did they drop the req for a second autopsy..:confused:

Imo, she knew exactly what she was doing. I remember in the Pamela Vitale case the Judge refused to allow the 911 call from Dan Horowitz into the preliminary hearing because she said it could inflame and upset the potential jurors so much it could prejudice Dyleski from getting a fair trial.

I think this Judge knows that the same thing could happen if the autopsy report is released. Imo she knows no matter how much outrage there has been, it would be nothing to compare with the outrage when the public was to find out in detail what happened to Sandra by this defendant.

She made the right call imo. That will be one less thing the PD can use for an appeal in case she is convicted which I firmly believe she will be.

imoo

Snoopy

04-24-2009, 11:52 PM

Snippet:

Well blinkoncrime.com is still maintaining that he IS related to MH, despite several comments referring to the statement by Folsom PD that they aren't. But they also still refuse to state how they are related.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/

Thanks for all the hard work done here. With all that came up in a couple of hours, it certainly does seem suspicious. The Facebook pages for both Tim and Chona show Washington friends also...

That said, I'm not sure I will ever trust the Bl**k site ever again. I pretty well trashed MY reputation on another posting board by bringing them this Blinkin information!

meadowlark

04-24-2009, 11:55 PM

LOL!

Well blinkoncrime.com is still maintaining that he IS related to MH, despite several comments referring to the statement by Folsom PD that they aren't. But they also still refuse to state how they are related.

I found comment #58 and Blink's response interesting... especially since the arrest appeared in the paper a week ago. I'm not sure why Blink thinks he "scooped" this.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/24/sandra-cantu-case-sources-lawless-relative-arrested-on-sex-charges/

well I am still looking to see if he is connected or related. I want to see for myself LOL

I have the brothers of Timothy John Lawless, and they do live in MANTON. I have found two of his brothers that I know are his brothers and I now have his mothers maiden name, so now looking for their father's name.

let me get all of this together then will post it.

oodi

04-25-2009, 12:03 AM

well I am still looking to see if he is connected or related. I want to see for myself LOL

I have the brothers of Timothy John Lawless, and they do live in MANTON. I have found two of his brothers that I know are his brothers and I now have his mothers maiden name, so now looking for their father's name.

let me get all of this together then will post it.

Well don't go to a lot of work, unless you really want to. I'm with Snoopy... I'm not sure that Blink is all that credible.

And where in heck is Manton? Is it in CA?

meadowlark

04-25-2009, 12:28 AM

Well don't go to a lot of work, unless you really want to. I'm with Snoopy... I'm not sure that Blink is all that credible.

And where in heck is Manton? Is it in CA?

manton is a tiny little town in tehema county, just southeast of redding ca, way northern california. its in the foothills. just a wide spot in the road. it also burned the whole town a few years back so the people who did live there just about 300, a lot of those don't live there anymore either.

ok let me post what I have so far

Themis

04-25-2009, 12:34 AM

Well don't go to a lot of work, unless you really want to. I'm with Snoopy... I'm not sure that Blink is all that credible.

And where in heck is Manton? Is it in CA?
Oodi, seems as if MeadowLark is off searching. I'm sure you have been, too, and have already learned that there is a Manton in California up in Tehama County. Zip 96059.

Census 2000 population was 372?! LOL

Maybe the Manton MeadowLark is talking about is in Washington or Idaho. [JMO * Themis]

Wiki on Manton, California: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manton,_California

oodi

04-25-2009, 12:38 AM

Oodi, seems as if MeadowLark is off searching. I'm sure you have been, too, and have already learned that there is a Manton in California up in Tehama County. Zip 96059.

Census 2000 population was 372?! LOL

Maybe the Manton MeadowLark is talking about is in Washington or Idaho. [JMO * Themis]

Wiki on Manton, California: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manton,_California

Thanks Themis! It looks like it's not much more than a 4-way stop... almost like Oleander, CA. LOL

Themis

04-25-2009, 12:48 AM

Thanks Themis! It looks like it's not much more than a 4-way stop... almost like Oleander, CA. LOL
Yeah, Oleander, CA; but let's not forget Drytown, CA, population 200 which has NO stop sign whatsoever. It does have a speed limit sign, though.:laugh: [JMO * Themis]

P.S. It does have the Old Well Motel and Grill and the guy who owns and is main cook makes the best doggone pancakes -- melt in your mouth.

Drytown: http://www.sierrafoothillmagazine.com/drytown.html

meadowlark

04-25-2009, 12:49 AM

what we have here.

mother of timothy john lawless maiden name is Tieken. Her mothers maiden name is forman(timothy's grandmother)

his mother had the 3 brothers, timothy, Gary and Jeffrey/jeffery
then she married Gary D lawless after they were all born. she married gary D lawless using the name Marylin e tieken and also married him using the name marylin e short, on the same day. she divorced him a month later. 5 yrs later she marries manuel gomes.

these boys are using the name of lawless and gomes. being she married both men after they were born, I am not sure if gary d lawless is their father, and they were married ONLY one month. they could have lived together all those years before being married though. so it is hard to say if gary d lawless is even their father. And then they start using the name of Gomes after that.

If timothy is connected to melissa huckaby lawless family, then it seems it would be through gary d lawless who his mother married for a month after he and his brothers were born. why do they then take on the gomes name of the next husband of their mother?

so at this point I have to figure out who gary d lawless the husband is. if he is connected to melissa's family. and even if he is, how long was he really with their mother and is he even their father. if he is their father and lived with the mother all those years before they got married, why would they get a divorce a month later?

kind of a strange situation.

will still try to look for the family of this gary lawless married to timothy's mother.

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn

brother
Name: Gary D Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa

brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa

Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa

Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married him
caifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken
I can't find a divorce with her under the name of short

Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa

Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for mother and manuel gomes
yet.

_______________________

timothy's brother Gary Duane Lawless (above)
LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43)

Associated names:

GOMES, GARY
MANTON, CA
CORNING, CA
REDDING, CA
BORDEN, IN

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
LAWLESS DOLAN, VICTORIA R (Age 39)
GOMES, BURNHAM
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
LAWLESS, SAMANTHA TO (Age 48)
LAWLESS, LOWELL
LAWLESS, LAWLESS G
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41) other brother

LAWLESS, GARY
MANTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44)

brother jeffrey is under Gomes
GOMES, JEFFERY C (Age 41)
CORNING, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GARY DUANE (Age 43) brother
GOMES, TIMOTHY J (Age 44) this is timothy john lawless
SCHUTZENHOFER, CYNTHIA MARIE (Age 39)
GOMES, MARYLIN E (Age 71) mother
GOMES, BURNHAM

meadowlark

04-25-2009, 12:52 AM

Oodi, seems as if MeadowLark is off searching. I'm sure you have been, too, and have already learned that there is a Manton in California up in Tehama County. Zip 96059.

Census 2000 population was 372?! LOL

Maybe the Manton MeadowLark is talking about is in Washington or Idaho. [JMO * Themis]

Wiki on Manton, California: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manton,_California

no, I am talking about manton, ca, the tiny little town you just posted, I know people who live there. LOL

oodi

04-25-2009, 12:59 AM

Wow... you found out a lot of info! Maybe the boys used different last names, as there was a question as to who their father was?

Regardless, the connection to MH would have to come through the Gary D Lawless, if there is in fact any connection at all.

meadowlark

04-25-2009, 01:03 AM

well I am not done yet, I will go look now and see if I can figure out who this gary d lawless born about 1933 is, who married the mother of timothy john lawless/gomes

let me go look and I will post when I find something

Snoopy

04-25-2009, 01:25 AM

Great research, Meadowlark !!
It's pretty iffy they are related but certainly not impossible.

God Bless you, Meadowlark! You do good work!

oodi

04-25-2009, 01:35 AM

I don't think the time frame has been definitely established. connie Lawless said she was gone about an hour...that is a guess or approximation, not a fact...but the church was only two minutes away and the water was four or five minutes away.........

They didn't even mention Connie Lawless on the 6pm news... they focused on the church in WA.

ginky41

04-25-2009, 01:45 AM

Makes me sick that this investigation has hit my neck of the woods. Lewiston is about 250 miles north of me. I went to college about 30 miles north of Lewiston. Yuk Yuk Yuk.

doctor_J

04-25-2009, 02:11 AM

JMO, but I am dismayed to see so many references and links to Blink. Totally unreliable. Anyone with a decent computer can google but when someone maintains a crime blog and spouts incredible and inaccurate medical and pathological info I know to beware the other info. When I first started on MB/s (about 6 months ago) I visited and quickly learned that it was a little truth and a lot of misinformed rumor reinforced by a blogger who puts forth as an expert on all things crime. Even a blind hog finds an acorn occasionally. Nevermind that the site frequently carries "bugs".

I like to think this is the best message board on crime available on the web. Wouldn't like to see it degenerate into another BlinkOnCrime. I will just trust you guys to document anything you post from that site with back-up research, as lark and River have done, as have others.

Lovethechild

04-25-2009, 05:30 AM

New thread for the week-end.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13044297#post13044297

aproudmom

04-25-2009, 07:57 AM

Imo, she knew exactly what she was doing. I remember in the Pamela Vitale case the Judge refused to allow the 911 call from Dan Horowitz into the preliminary hearing because she said it could inflame and upset the potential jurors so much it could prejudice Dyleski from getting a fair trial.

I think this Judge knows that the same thing could happen if the autopsy report is released. Imo she knows no matter how much outrage there has been, it would be nothing to compare with the outrage when the public was to find out in detail what happened to Sandra by this defendant.

She made the right call imo. That will be one less thing the PD can use for an appeal in case she is convicted which I firmly believe she will be.

imoo

That is kinda what I meant knowing everyone was already outraged just by the charges alone I do not think the details need to be public this is a child and I also want her put away forever...DH was a few shows after it happened it broke my heart when him and NG walked around the property and he was talking about when he found her I dont know what a 911 call would have harmed listening to him talk about it was hard enough..just heard he had a new baby..he is not my fav. person but I am very Happy for him..I worried about him after his wife's murder..and ITA I think she also made the right call I just know they will be doing anything to get a story and it could end up hurting people that do not even have anything to do with this case as we are seeing already..they want to sell papers so they do not care who's name they put in them..that upsets me cause I feel LE should be able to comment on false information..

aproudmom

04-25-2009, 08:04 AM