Thursday April 23

[madameX]

Good morning, praying we will at least hear some positive news about Haleigh today

[Scampi]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

[Motomom]

Good morning!! I wish they would give us something. I'm wondering still if searches are going on. Maybe Haleigh needs a candle lit to light up her way home. I just can't imagine what may have happened to her, how she just vanishes without a trace (that we have heard). Wish I knew what LE knew.

[Motomom]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

What was it that they said that little Jordan had? I dont' have time to read the transcript but didn't they say he was special needs?

[bookie]

After listening to the 911 call on Art's site and again on JVM I don't think Mary Brooks saw Ron driving through her apartment complex. I think she took the word of whoever told her they saw him. It really sounds like this whole thing was blown out of proportion.

[VII]

What would lure Ronald to "drive by" Jordan's Grandmothers?

Money.
Jordan gets SSI, Ronald doesn't have a job ....
NOR does he have Haliegh's SSI, at this point.

Not sayin' it's a motive for Haliegh's disappearance ...
but it COULD be a motive for suddlenly having an interest in Jordan.

jmo

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[bookie]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html



Unless Art has copies of a dna test he can't confirm anything. Much of what Art says is 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay.

[Texas48]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html
good morning scampi..I watched the JVM last night..Did you notice when Jane was saying *nothing* had been comfirmed that Ron was the *father* of this baby..Art kept shaking his head in a yes motion..He said the gm and Amber made those claims..just me but that is not comfirmation..something like a BC or DNA results would be fact...I don't know if Ron is the dad or not..no one does. but what in the world does that type of speculation have to do with Who took Haleigh? This is my opinion and all with respect to you scamp...Not being snarky or rude..so please do not take it that way..JMO

[Texas48]

Good morning!! I wish they would give us something. I'm wondering still if searches are going on. Maybe Haleigh needs a candle lit to light up her way home. I just can't imagine what may have happened to her, how she just vanishes without a trace (that we have heard). Wish I knew what LE knew.
A candle would be nice mom..

[?noanswer]

good morning scampi..I watched the JVM last night..Did you notice when Jane was saying *nothing* had been comfirmed that Ron was the *father* of this baby..Art kept shaking his head in a yes motion..He said the gm and Amber made those claims..just me but that is not comfirmation..something like a BC or DNA results would be fact...I don't know if Ron is the dad or not..no one does. but what in the world does that type of speculation have to do with Who took Haleigh? This is my opinion and all with respect to you scamp...Not being snarky or rude..so please do not take it that way..JMO

IIRC, the person that called 911 said she had custody of the child. Does anyone know if that is legal or just physical? If she has legal custody, where would that leave the bio father of the child? JMO

[Texas48]

After listening to the 911 call on Art's site and again on JVM I don't think Mary Brooks saw Ron driving through her apartment complex. I think she took the word of whoever told her they saw him. It really sounds like this whole thing was blown out of proportion.ya know what bookie..I watched..payed close attention(usually I am snoozing) and even saved it on tivo..I certainly did miss the *facts* that were put out several days ago and some even yesterday about Jr and black man and coming to her door and on and on...I'v always said..you can't make this stuff up and I've been proven wrong..this stuff can be made up.

[cuppajoe]

What would lure Ronald to "drive by" Jordan's Grandmothers?

Money.
Jordan gets SSI, Ronald doesn't have a job ....
NOR does he have Haliegh's SSI, at this point.

Not sayin' it's a motive for Haliegh's disappearance ...
but it COULD be a motive for suddlenly having an interest in Jordan.

jmo

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I have to agree, Ronald Cummings does have an interest in money, not actually working for it but getting it in other ways. mo.

Art Harris is an investigative journalist and as such really has no reason to lie about Ronald Cummings paternity. mo.

[MoonFlwr]

Unless Art has copies of a dna test he can't confirm anything. Much of what Art says is 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay.

Glad you mentioned that because I'd been wondering about Art's background (pardon my ignorance) and I wondered how proven his 'facts' were.

[?noanswer]

ya know what bookie..I watched..payed close attention(usually I am snoozing) and even saved it on tivo..I certainly did miss the *facts* that were put out several days ago and some even yesterday about Jr and black man and coming to her door and on and on...I'v always said..you can't make this stuff up and I've been proven wrong..this stuff can be made up.

Unless LE edited the tape, it was nothing like what was originally reported by Cobra, AH, and TJH. (I have no reason to believe the tape was edited.) I wish all these perephial players would expend their time and enegy looking for Haleigh instead of creating tabloid fodder. JMO

[bookie]

ya know what bookie..I watched..payed close attention(usually I am snoozing) and even saved it on tivo..I certainly did miss the *facts* that were put out several days ago and some even yesterday about Jr and black man and coming to her door and on and on...I'v always said..you can't make this stuff up and I've been proven wrong..this stuff can be made up.



You missed the part about Junior because it wasn't there and what was originally left out about the black man was that he was alone and there an hour after Ron was allegedly there.

My question is who really "saw" Ron there? Was it Amber or her mother? Because I think most of us can see why Amber would make up a story about Ron being there trying to snatch her baby. $$$ is a motivator.

[Scampi]

good morning scampi..I watched the JVM last night..Did you notice when Jane was saying *nothing* had been comfirmed that Ron was the *father* of this baby..Art kept shaking his head in a yes motion..He said the gm and Amber made those claims..just me but that is not comfirmation..something like a BC or DNA results would be fact...I don't know if Ron is the dad or not..no one does. but what in the world does that type of speculation have to do with Who took Haleigh? This is my opinion and all with respect to you scamp...Not being snarky or rude..so please do not take it that way..JMO

Morning Tex! I would never take a post by you that way, you are a very thoughtful poster. I guess his reports are open for interpretation, I believe them.

Since Art Harris is among the few people actually providing information about the case, I thought the report was interesting.

I also think, anything ronald does could be important to the investigation. IMO.

[?noanswer]

I have to agree, Ronald Cummings does have an interest in money, not actually working for it but getting it in other ways. mo.

Art Harris is an investigative journalist and as such really has no reason to lie about Ronald Cummings paternity. mo.

AH is looking for money (and publicity) too. He will do/say whatever it takes to earn (gain) it. JMO

[bookie]

Glad you mentioned that because I'd been wondering about Art's background (pardon my ignorance) and I wondered how proven his 'facts' were.


Art was a journalist with CNN. He still does some guests spots on several shows, has his website and is one of several defendants in a slander suit filed by Virgie Arthur, Anna Nicole Smiths mother.

Ron said possibly when asked if he had other children. That doesn't sound like a dna test was done. If one wasn't done Art can't confirm anything with any degree of certainty.

[Texas48]

I have to agree, Ronald Cummings does have an interest in money, not actually working for it but getting it in other ways. mo.

Art Harris is an investigative journalist and as such really has no reason to lie about Ronald Cummings paternity. mo.
I have nothing against AH..Read him all the time..How much time and trouble would it be for him to obtain a copy of the BC..? Or..DNA results?

[bookie]

Unless LE edited the tape, it was nothing like what was originally reported by Cobra, AH, and TJH. (I have no reason to believe the tape was edited.) I wish all these perephial players would expend their time and enegy looking for Haleigh instead of creating tabloid fodder. JMO


There is no reason to believe the tape was edited. Mary Brooks apartment number wasnt edited out and if edited they would have removed that part. As for the part I bolded I agree.

[cuppajoe]

Does anyone have updates on the search by Gail St. John?

[bookie]

I have nothing against AH..Read him all the time..How much time and trouble would it be for him to obtain a copy of the BC..? Or..DNA results?



The only thing I have against Art is that he doesn't do any fact checking. In one article he claimed Ron and Amber were together before he was with Crystal. We know that isn't true because of the age of Amber's baby. The other day he had Nay Nay as the source for Ron backhanding Junior in one article then in another it came from Kim Picazio.

[?noanswer]

Art was a journalist with CNN. He still does some guests spots on several shows, has his website and is one of several defendants in a slander suit filed by Virgie Arthur, Anna Nicole Smiths mother.

Ron said possibly when asked if he had other children. That doesn't sound like a dna test was done. If one wasn't done Art can't confirm anything with any degree of certainty.


How long ago was it that he was with CNN? I don't remember him being on there, but I seem to remember there was some controvery as to why he is no longer there. The first time I remember hearing about him was during the ANS saga. I don't remember anything about him since then until now. If he is having to hire legal counsel for the slander suit, he probably is needing beaucoup bucks. I guess he receives some revenue from hits on the web site. I don't know how much these shows pay the guests they have on expounding their views. JMO

[cuppajoe]

AH is looking for money (and publicity) too. He will do/say whatever it takes to earn (gain) it. JMO

How successful would he be if he's known to put out wrong information though? I doubt Art Harris would knowingly risk his reputation over this case. mo.

[HouseOfClark]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

HARRIS: Well, that`s a great question, Jane. The grandmother is getting about $500 a month in SSI for raising this disabled child.

That, in my opinion, is the only reason he would even want this child.

Hope if he tries the judge will consider that he has a child that's missing from his house.

I'm not understanding the part where Ron Cummings' attorney is mad because the girls who "provided negative information about Ron Cummings" are bailed out of jail. Are they not as entitled to bail as anyone else?

[Texas48]

You missed the part about Junior because it wasn't there and what was originally left out about the black man was that he was alone and there an hour after Ron was allegedly there.

My question is who really "saw" Ron there? Was it Amber or her mother? Because I think most of us can see why Amber would make up a story about Ron being there trying to snatch her baby. $$$ is a motivator.Yes.. noticed that Jr was not mentioned..lol..I was also disturbed by the fact that AH brought Ambers baby name agin on nat. TV and even to what medical problems he has...I suppose it was OK for Amber or GGM or who ever if responsible for this baby for all this info to be put out..I just have a problem with it..this baby should not be brought into this mess..IMO

[JackiBlu]

How successful would he be if he's known to put out wrong information though? I doubt Art Harris would knowingly risk his reputation over this case. mo.

Problem is he has put out wrong information!!

[bookie]

How long ago was it that he was with CNN? I don't remember him being on there, but I seem to remember there was some controvery as to why he is no longer there. The first time I remember hearing about him was during the ANS saga. I don't remember anything about him since then until now. If he is having to hire legal counsel for the slander suit, he probably is needing beaucoup bucks. I guess he receives some revenue from hits on the web site. I don't know how much these shows pay the guests they have on expounding their views. JMO


I want to say he was with CNN for 20 years but not 100% sure. I do remember seeing him do guest spots before ANS.

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

Art Harris is not a doctor, and he has no proof of paternity, so he has no right to CONFIRM anything. There is no confirmation on your link. As a matter of fact, Jane breaks in several times to mention the fact this is only an allegation IMO.

FROM YOUR LINK....

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does Ron say about all this? We don`t want to jump to the conclusion that this is Ron`s son. I have no independent confirmation of this.

[bookie]

That, in my opinion, is the only reason he would even want this child.

Hope if he tries the judge will consider that he has a child that's missing from his house.

I'm not understanding the part where Ron Cummings' attorney is mad because the girls who "provided negative information about Ron Cummings" are bailed out of jail. Are they not as entitled to bail as anyone else?


I think his attorneys point was who bailed them out of jail.

[?noanswer]

I have nothing against AH..Read him all the time..How much time and trouble would it be for him to obtain a copy of the BC..? Or..DNA results?

I don't know if there are any DNA results. I tried to search for FL BC records and every site I found wanted money. As they say, if one has enough money, they can get anything. JMO

[JackiBlu]

That, in my opinion, is the only reason he would even want this child.

Hope if he tries the judge will consider that he has a child that's missing from his house.

I'm not understanding the part where Ron Cummings' attorney is mad because the girls who "provided negative information about Ron Cummings" are bailed out of jail. Are they not as entitled to bail as anyone else?

You are really going to believe ANTHING these two girls, who are taking drugs, say regarding negative information about Ronald. After Cobra bailed them out and took them out to dinner, they will probably say whatever they think Cobra wants to hear.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Problem is he has put out wrong information!!

Yes, he certainly has Jacki. Let's start with current events beyond the paternity question. How about claiming that Cobra didn't bail the ladies (ahem) out of jail????

Not so much at telling the truth these days. I'd say he's been blinded by Kim and Crystal. :sneaky: JMO.

[Texas48]

Morning Tex! I would never take a post by you that way, you are a very thoughtful poster. I guess his reports are open for interpretation, I believe them.

Since Art Harris is among the few people actually providing information about the case, I thought the report was interesting.

I also think, anything ronald does could be important to the investigation. IMO.
and I agree..Ron is important to this case..it his daughter that vanished from her little bed....but at this point no one knows for certain what Ron was doing..if he was there..driving through a parking lot..? This little boy most likely is Rons but has nothing to do with Haleigh..If Ron goes to 7-11 is that going to be big news? As stupid as all this mess is..I just can't believe Ron would try anything that is going to lead LE to suspect or even get him arrested at this point..Ron and Misty both know they have NOT been cleared in this case..JMO and with respect to all.

[HouseOfClark]

You are really going to believe ANTHING these two girls, who are taking drugs, say regarding negative information about Ronald. After Cobra bailed them out and took them out to dinner, they will probably say whatever they think Cobra wants to hear.

JMO

Excuse me? I don't even know these girls. I was just questioning why Ron's attorney would even care that they got bail. What does that have to do with their representation of Ron?

[CANDYKISSES]

You are really going to believe ANTHING these two girls, who are taking drugs, say regarding negative information about Ronald. After Cobra bailed them out and took them out to dinner, they will probably say whatever they think Cobra wants to hear.

JMO

Yes, let's see how long it takes Amber to get the DVV script down. Just remember she claimed she wasn't a victim of violence regarding Ron Cummings.

I'm still waiting for the re-appearance of Greg or maybe we'll see him sporting the preppie look at the art school he was yearning to attend. JMOOC. :sneaky:

WHERE IS HALEIGH?????:wub:

[?noanswer]

I think his attorneys point was who bailed them out of jail.

Is there a newspaper article from RC's atty? I looked on the Haleigh site and didn't see a new news release. TIA JMO

[Texas48]

I don't know if there are any DNA results. I tried to search for FL BC records and every site I found wanted money. As they say, if one has enough money, they can get anything. JMOand one believe that If there was a BC or DNA results that AH couldn't get his hands on those documents?

[CANDYKISSES]

I think his attorneys point was who bailed them out of jail.

Add to that the previous statement Amber made concerning Ron and the relationship between Picazio, Cobra, Art, and Crystal Sheffield. IF Amber's story changes now, I'd say DCF needs to really make sure they are getting the truth as opposed to retribution IMO. :sneaky:

Did someone allege that Cobra is claiming Amber and NayNay are the key to finding Haleigh or was that a nightmare?

[JackiBlu]

Excuse me? I don't even know these girls. I was just questioning why Ron's attorney would even care that they got bail. What does that have to do with their representation of Ron?

I think it was not about them getting bail but who (Cobra) bailed them out. What is Cobra's reason for this?

JMO

[bookie]

I listened to the call from the grandmother reporting seeing Ron's car, and as sweet as she sounded, IMO the call seemed like it was something maybe someone told her to call and say? Did anyone else get that take on it? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I am only saying she might not have actually seen the car or anyone else, but someone else did and told her to call it in. She didn't sound scared to me.



I read Art's article yesterday then again this morning and saw something I don't remember seeing yeserday. Today it says she was "alerted to Ron driving through" her parking lot. That doesn't soundlike someone who saw it herself.

[bookie]

Is there a newspaper article from RC's atty? I looked on the Haleigh site and didn't see a new news release. TIA JMO

I haven't seen one either, just what was said on JVM last night.

[Themis]

What would lure Ronald to "drive by" Jordan's Grandmothers?

Money.
Jordan gets SSI, Ronald doesn't have a job ....
NOR does he have Haliegh's SSI, at this point.

Not sayin' it's a motive for Haliegh's disappearance ...
but it COULD be a motive for suddlenly having an interest in Jordan.

jmo

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Responding and question about bolded words:
I'm the first to admit I do not know everything about this case; however, this is the first I remember reading that Haleigh was receiving SSI benefits. Has this been confirmed? As far as I know Haleigh had a physical medical condition -- but did not know this made her eligible for SSI. [JMO * Themis]

[HouseOfClark]

Is there a newspaper article from RC's atty? I looked on the Haleigh site and didn't see a new news release. TIA JMO

I didn't see one either but JVM said they responded.

I believe the night before she claimed that they had fired back (seems to be their catch phrase) saying that Ron denied abusing Misty before the so called party weekend.

I've never seen that one either. But would you expect to see things like that on a missing child site? Is there another place where they post their press releases?

[bookie]

I think it was not about them getting bail but who (Cobra) bailed them out. What is Cobra's reason for this?

JMO


That is what it was about. It even went on to talk about anything they say in the future would be tainted.

[HouseOfClark]

I think it was not about them getting bail but who (Cobra) bailed them out. What is Cobra's reason for this?

JMO

Have no idea. Bail companies provide that service to everyone who is entitled to bail.

[Owlface]

I have nothing against AH..Read him all the time..How much time and trouble would it be for him to obtain a copy of the BC..? Or..DNA results?

I believe the issue is no DNA test was ever done on Jordan.

[?noanswer]

Responding and question about bolded words:
I'm the first to admit I do not know everything about this case; however, this is the first I remember reading that Haleigh was receiving SSI benefits. Has this been confirmed? As far as I know Haleigh had a physical medical condition -- but did not know this made her eligible for SSI. [JMO * Themis]

I don't know either. Several years ago it was easy to get SSI for children, but after it was discovered how much it was abused they supposedly tightened the requlations. Remember the big scandal in Arkansas when they were interviewing the kids and they said all you have to do is act crazy and you can get a check each month. (If that requirement was still in effect, I think most of the people in the saga would be on SSI). JMO

[Texas48]

I listened to the call from the grandmother reporting seeing Ron's car, and as sweet as she sounded, IMO the call seemed like it was something maybe someone told her to call and say? Did anyone else get that take on it? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I am only saying she might not have actually seen the car or anyone else, but someone else did and told her to call it in. She didn't sound scared to me.Yes madame I did..I listened to it several times..I have the same impression as you do... I don't know who has LEGAL custody of this baby but I do hope he can be kept out of this great big mess that they have ALL created for themselves. They have been blessed with these children..just wish they appreciated them more. What little regard they have is what surprises me but thats life..as hard as it sounds. I don't answer for them and they don't answer to me but I hope DCS takes a good long look at all..

[?noanswer]

Yes madame I did..I listened to it several times..I have the same impression as you do... I don't know who has LEGAL custody of this baby but I do hope he can be kept out of this great big mess that they have ALL created for themselves. They have been blessed with these children..just wish they appreciated them more. What little regard they have is what surprises me but thats life..as hard as it sounds. I don't answer for them and they don't answer to me but I hope DCS takes a good long look at all..

I think most of these people have been channeling the Hatfield/McCoys way before Haleigh disapperared. Now they have a medium to take it public. Me thinks they enjoy the fightin & fuedin. I am glad I am not LE or DCF and having to deal with this mess. Seems finding Haleigh is not a priority anymore, just tabloid junk (Not from LE or DCF, just all these publicity seeking hounds) JMO

[bookie]

I think most of these people have been channeling the Hatfield/McCoys way before Haleigh disapperared. Now they have a medium to take it public. Me thinks they enjoy the fightin & fuedin. JMO


I agree and disagree. Ron tried to keep the focus on Haleigh but Crystal, her mother and attorney started the mudslinging. Ron hired attorneys who have stayed in the background. It seems tome that Crystal and Kim are the ones enjoying the fighting, not Ron.

[Scampi]

As I said in a previous post, Art Harris's report is open to interpretation. When I heard and read the following, I thought Art had confirmed that ronald was the baby's father:


ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, "THE BALD TRUTH": Jane, as you reported, I`ve got this 911 tape on my Web site where Mary Brooks, the grandmother of Amber Brooks, who just got bailed out of jail for cocaine possession, was keeping her son, who is Ronald`s child.

His name is Jordan. He`s got micro-encephaly which is a brain abnormality. And this is a child that Ronald apparently has been very ambivalent about. Had him for a couple of weeks, right after they were, I guess they were together and then they split.

Still believe it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

[HouseOfClark]

Morning all....
I don't think it was the fact that they were bailed out, it was WHO bailed them out. Why did this bounty hunter bail them out?
Now they owe him...how are they going to pay him back? LE already said that Amber will say whatever she thinks they want to hear so what kind of information will she be feeding the bounty hunter? How credible will it be and what will he try to do with it?
If I was Ron's attorney that is what I would be upset about. In fact, I am not his attorney and I don't like it much at all. I think this will wind up being just more trash to take away what little focus is left on finding this little girl....WHERE is she????

They would owe whoever bailed them out.

But if Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, what could Amber or the other girl say that would bother him?

What can they say that they haven't already said?

I think the attorney is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. He can't complain about any bond company providing services that I believe his own client has used in the past.

[?noanswer]

I agree and disagree. Ron tried to keep the focus on Haleigh but Crystal, her mother and attorney started the mudslinging. Ron hired attorneys who have stayed in the background. It seems tome that Crystal and Kim are the ones enjoying the fighting, not Ron.

You are correct. Ron has stayed out of the fray. He seems to be letting his atty. handle it, which is what he should do. JMO

[CelticDawn]

I don't care what happens to any of the adults in this joke of an investigation.
Personally I think they all could use a few months vacation courtesy of the state of Florida.
Might bring them to their senses so they will stop all this silliness and FIND HALEIGH.

[JackiBlu]

Yes madame I did..I listened to it several times..I have the same impression as you do... I don't know who has LEGAL custody of this baby but I do hope he can be kept out of this great big mess that they have ALL created for themselves. They have been blessed with these children..just wish they appreciated them more. What little regard they have is what surprises me but thats life..as hard as it sounds. I don't answer for them and they don't answer to me but I hope DCS takes a good long look at all..

If the greatgrandmother does have Legal Custody and Ron is supposedly the father; I would think he would have to sign over custody along with Amber.

JMO

[Texas48]

You are really going to believe ANTHING these two girls, who are taking drugs, say regarding negative information about Ronald. After Cobra bailed them out and took them out to dinner, they will probably say whatever they think Cobra wants to hear.

JMOITA Jack..If I don't believe anything the main players say why in the world would I believe these two..? kwim?

[?noanswer]

ITA Jack..If I don't believe anything the main players say why in the world would I believe these two..? kwim?

I kwim. Did you listen to the tape of Nay Nay on AH's site? It sure seemed to be be edited. But the things she did say makes me believe she has no creditabilty whatsoever. JMO

[bookie]

Just as Haleigh/JVM came on last night I got a phone call so I missed most of what was said but listening to the 911 call yesterday I didn't think she ever said that she saw him personally. I don't think she called immediately after the black man knocked on the door either. When she said "and later a man knocked on my door" it didn't sound like it had just happened. I would think she would have said something along the lines of 'about an hour ago Ron drive through, and a man just knocked on my door'...




She did say it was an hour later but then turned around and said "maybe a friend of his" and that "he (Ron) didn't need to be here bothering me about the baby he said he didn't have."

[Texas48]

Yes, he certainly has Jacki. Let's start with current events beyond the paternity question. How about claiming that Cobra didn't bail the ladies (ahem) out of jail????

Not so much at telling the truth these days. I'd say he's been blinded by Kim and Crystal. :sneaky: JMO.Ever since his *run ins* with CNN I think Art has been trying to make a come back so to speak..He saw a chance with this case and I'm afraid he gona be in trouble again..JMO

[bookie]

They would owe whoever bailed them out.

But if Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, what could Amber or the other girl say that would bother him?

What can they say that they haven't already said?

I think the attorney is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. He can't complain about any bond company providing services that I believe his own client has used in the past.


They weren't complaining about the bonding company. Their complaint is Cobra inserting himself in this case.

[MrLucky917B]

I think it was not about them getting bail but who (Cobra) bailed them out. What is Cobra's reason for this?

JMO

probably the same reason lenny had...

[Texas48]

Excuse me? I don't even know these girls. I was just questioning why Ron's attorney would even care that they got bail. What does that have to do with their representation of Ron?Maybe..just maybe IF they had not been bailed out LE would have had lots of time w/them..but because a journalist and a BH wanted to *talk* with them they rushed down there and..you know rest of the story. JMO

[Themis]

I don't know either. Several years ago it was easy to get SSI for children, but after it was discovered how much it was abused they supposedly tightened the requlations. Remember the big scandal in Arkansas when they were interviewing the kids and they said all you have to do is act crazy and you can get a check each month. (If that requirement was still in effect, I think most of the people in the saga would be on SSI). JMO
Well, until it is confirmed I will take that comment by the previous poster as probably one made in error.

That poster may have confused SSI with Medicaid. We know that Magistrate Prugh told both parents to ensure Haleigh and Junior were signed up for Medicaid back in 2005.

Interesting fact about Medicaid: per the linked July 2005 report from Florida 39% of Florida's children were signed up for Medicaid, the largest children’s health program in the country for low-income families. [JMO * Themis]

http://www.aap.org/advocacy/washing/elections/mfs_fl.pdf

[?noanswer]

I think they should have been left to sit in jail and ponder the mistakes they have made, but that's just me. IDK why Cobra bailed them out, for answers? Publicity? I can only hope, as we all can, that with the way this thing is headed, we can maybe rule out a stranger abduction because everyone down there seems to be focusing on people that knew Haleigh, knew her family, etc. One day I am glad that people are down there digging up all the dirt they can because I feel like it might help the investigation, the next day I'm like eeewwww, I really didn't need to know that. But I don't know what might be relevant to the case anymore. There is just too much to sort out and decide what's important.......glad I am not the one who has to make that decision.

I'm with you. At this point anything/anyone from this small town or Baker Co. could be involved and it seems more likely one of the these than a SO. JMO

[Texas48]

I think it was not about them getting bail but who (Cobra) bailed them out. What is Cobra's reason for this?

JMOI can only quess he wants to be another *Dog* and it aint gona happen..No reality show for the Cobra IMO

[?noanswer]

ITA, I think they should lock the whole bunch of them up until someone talks, and they learn to at least be civil to each other. And getting off the drugs would be an extra added bonus.


I totally agree. JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Maybe..just maybe IF they had not been bailed out LE would have had lots of time w/them..but because a journalist and a BH wanted to *talk* with them they rushed down there and..you know rest of the story. JMO

As I recall, they were in jail for about 10 hours.

Doesn't sound like much of a rush down there to get them out to me.

What was LE doing for those ten hours?

[JackiBlu]

As I said in a previous post, Art Harris's report is open to interpretation. When I heard and read the following, I thought Art had confirmed that ronald was the baby's father:


ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, "THE BALD TRUTH": Jane, as you reported, I`ve got this 911 tape on my Web site where Mary Brooks, the grandmother of Amber Brooks, who just got bailed out of jail for cocaine possession, was keeping her son, who is Ronald`s child.

His name is Jordan. He`s got micro-encephaly which is a brain abnormality. And this is a child that Ronald apparently has been very ambivalent about. Had him for a couple of weeks, right after they were, I guess they were together and then they split.

Still believe it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

Then why does JVM use the words no independent confirmation, Ron's alleged son, don't want to jump to conclusions that this is Ron's son and then again no independent confirmation.

I'll believe when there are DNA tests.

JMO

[Themis]

I think most of these people have been channeling the Hatfield/McCoys way before Haleigh disapperared. Now they have a medium to take it public. Me thinks they enjoy the fightin & fuedin. I am glad I am not LE or DCF and having to deal with this mess. Seems finding Haleigh is not a priority anymore, just tabloid junk (Not from LE or DCF, just all these publicity seeking hounds) JMO
I agree wholeheartedly. Not only do they enjoy the fightin' and feudn' but now they are basking in all the publicity about them.
My sympathies go out to LE and DCF who have to deal with these people day in and day out. [JMO * Themis]

[Texas48]

I don't care what happens to any of the adults in this joke of an investigation.
Personally I think they all could use a few months vacation courtesy of the state of Florida.
Might bring them to their senses so they will stop all this silliness and FIND HALEIGH.post of the month..

[HouseOfClark]

That is the point. They could say anything that could have absolutely nothing to do with finding her and it could take the focus away (more) than it already has...For example, this 'partying weekend' of Misty's...what if that has absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance? Look what already has become of that. LE had to check all that out and if it is nothing then it has just been more waste of man hours taken away looking for Haleigh.

But if Misty had already told them about the weekend before or anyone who might have come into contact with Haleigh in the days leading up to her disappearance, those girls would have already been investigated right?

The way I see it, the police aren't using man hours to investigate a weekend or friends of Misty that haven't already been investigated.

Now, if the police never knew about the weekend or the party time or any of that until AFTER Cobra learned it, that would be a whole different story.

[Texas48]

True but if he isn't on the BC and the court/DCF took the little boy from Amber, then I don't think either of them would have to sign anything...would they?
Correct..If Ron is not on the BC he has no say in this baby's life..DCF most likely has the say..and I'm sure since this latest fiasco took place DCS may be back to make different arrangements for this baby..I wish it would be in a different state where none of them know where the little baby is..

[CANDYKISSES]

If the greatgrandmother does have Legal Custody and Ron is supposedly the father; I would think he would have to sign over custody along with Amber.

JMO

That is a very sound and reasonable post JB. We would be seeing copies of paperwork if there was such an animal. It seems like anything Art or Kim say is taken as gospel and nobody bothers to check up on what these people are putting out there.

I believe it's still unknown as to who the father is for Amber's child. JMO.

[Owlface]

Then why does JVM use the words no independent confirmation, Ron's alleged son, don't want to jump to conclusions that this is Ron's son and then again no independent confirmation.

I'll believe when there are DNA tests.

JMO

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.

[Scampi]

They would owe whoever bailed them out.

But if Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, what could Amber or the other girl say that would bother him?

What can they say that they haven't already said?

I think the attorney is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. He can't complain about any bond company providing services that I believe his own client has used in the past.

That's a very good point, Clark. I think ronald and his attorney are worried over what these people are telling LE.

[Owlface]

That is a very sound and reasonable post JB. We would be seeing copies of paperwork if there was such an animal. It seems like anything Art or Kim say is taken as gospel and nobody bothers to check up on what these people are putting out there.

I believe it's still unknown as to who the father is for Amber's child. JMO.

I believe that Ron and Amber, and everybody who knows them, believe Amber's child is Ron's son and that's good enough for me.

[Texas48]

As I recall, they were in jail for about 10 hours.

Doesn't sound like much of a rush down there to get them out to me.

What was LE doing for those ten hours?I bet LE wasn't twiddleing their thumbs...An overnight stay is alot different that a day stay..

[bookie]

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.


Ron believes he might be the father but apparently there is some doubt since he answered "possibly". I've said all along there might be a reason he has doubts.

[CANDYKISSES]

I kwim. Did you listen to the tape of Nay Nay on AH's site? It sure seemed to be be edited. But the things she did say makes me believe she has no creditabilty whatsoever. JMO

I have yet to see a video on Art's site that IS NOT EDITED and I have mentioned it to him before. It would lend more credibility to his reporting if he didn't do these things, but he has been walking that fine line and stepping over it for sensationalism IMOO. It's too bad because he used to be a decent and reliable reporter.

After the spoof about Junior and then the blatant denial about Cobra putting out the money for NAYNAY and Amber, I am very disillusioned with him and his inability to be unbiased. JMO again. :thumbdown:

[Scampi]

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.

Good point Owl! I doubt very much if Art Harris and the great grandma are lying. ronald is the father, imo.

[Motomom]

I read Art's article yesterday then again this morning and saw something I don't remember seeing yeserday. Today it says she was "alerted to Ron driving through" her parking lot. That doesn't soundlike someone who saw it herself.

Even if he was driving through "her" parking lot.. is it a private gated community that requires a password? He could know someone who lives there. I think she was told to call it in. Maybe a big hoopla was made to her, and fake fear was shown to her?? I don't know, but I don't think it's a big deal. Anyone could drive through the complex. JMO

[bookie]

Even if he was driving through "her" parking lot.. is it a private gated community that requires a password? He could know someone who lives there. I think she was told to call it in. Maybe a big hoopla was made to her, and fake fear was shown to her?? I don't know, but I don't think it's a big deal. Anyone could drive through the complex. JMO

I think we'll find out in time that Ron was nowhere near that complex that night. And I'd love to see the police report and see exactly who claimed tey saw him.

[Texas48]

IDK, first Misty was the key and now Amber and Nay Nay are the key? Maybe if you think about putting these three together, what do you get? Nonsense. A group of young girls, running wild.another post of the month..

[CANDYKISSES]

I believe that Ron and Amber, and everybody who knows them, believe Amber's child is Ron's son and that's good enough for me.


If that were true, why did he answer possibly? :confused:

There is no way in this world I would take the word of any of those young women without a DNA test. They are party girls from what I've seen and read.

JMO.

There are still ill-informed young women who think if they slept with X ten times that month and only slept with Y once, IT MUST BE THE CHILD OF X......:rolleyes: Only a DNA test would be good enough for me with that bunch, including Misty who might have been using her sister's pregnancy test..... barf sorry. Oh and that was alleged by NAYNAY in one of her ART VIDEOS IIRC.

[bookie]

quick question...what was the SO's name that was investigated very early in the case who had an ankle monitor???? oh good grief, his name is right ion the tip of my tongue........


Loucakis (sp).

[Texas48]

probably the same reason lenny had...excellent and to the point..IMO I would take Lenny any day over Cobra and his blazzing guns.

[Motomom]

I think most of these people have been channeling the Hatfield/McCoys way before Haleigh disapperared. Now they have a medium to take it public. Me thinks they enjoy the fightin & fuedin. I am glad I am not LE or DCF and having to deal with this mess. Seems finding Haleigh is not a priority anymore, just tabloid junk (Not from LE or DCF, just all these publicity seeking hounds) JMO

I agree. Why would anyone want to insert themselves into this case is beyond me. If I had a child by Ronald that wasn't prooved in public I'd keep it as secret as possible too. If Ron is that bad, why then are they involving themselves, talking to AH?? Wouldn't they fear him? Young girls IMO love some drama (some not all). One looks no better than the other at this point.. in the mean time.. poor little Haleigh still goes missing :(

[bookie]

excellent and to the point..IMO I would take Lenny any day over Cobra and his blazzing guns.



Since none of the players in this case are fugitives I think bounty hunters should stay out of it. Maybe Cobra should focus on the only person being hunted.....Chad Reynolds.

[Motomom]

You are correct. Ron has stayed out of the fray. He seems to be letting his atty. handle it, which is what he should do. JMO

I agree with you.

[?noanswer]

Even if he was driving through "her" parking lot.. is it a private gated community that requires a password? He could know someone who lives there. I think she was told to call it in. Maybe a big hoopla was made to her, and fake fear was shown to her?? I don't know, but I don't think it's a big deal. Anyone could drive through the complex. JMO

I hate to be cynical, but after SC and now the Craigslist murder, just about anything is possible. I'm beginning to think this 911 call was planned to make RC look bad. I wonder if any money changed hands. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree. Why would anyone want to insert themselves into this case is beyond me. If I had a child by Ronald that wasn't prooved in public I'd keep it as secret as possible too. If Ron is that bad, why then are they involving themselves, talking to AH?? Wouldn't they fear him? Young girls IMO love some drama (some not all). One looks no better than the other at this point.. in the mean time.. poor little Haleigh still goes missing :(

Motomom, it's just like anyone being ignorant enough to talk on camera about riding around getting high in the neighborhood....GMAB. Listening to Greg was enough to know the cops will be lurking in their business. JMO

I believe JB is correct in stating that a father would have to sign something giving custody to Amber's grandma too. I hope this forces their hand and the child is DNA tested once and for all.

:wub:For all the little people in this tragedy who deserve so much better.

[Texas48]

Then why does JVM use the words no independent confirmation, Ron's alleged son, don't want to jump to conclusions that this is Ron's son and then again no independent confirmation.

I'll believe when there are DNA tests.

JMOYa know..Ron may be this baby's father..Seems like they ALL/males and females seem to like a roll in the hay just for a *good* time..something to do on a Saturday night..kwim? This is what is so heartbreaking for these babys/children..Have a baby and let someone else take the responsibility of caring for the little thing. How sad.

[Mimi428]

Correct..If Ron is not on the BC he has no say in this baby's life..DCF most likely has the say..and I'm sure since this latest fiasco took place DCS may be back to make different arrangements for this baby..I wish it would be in a different state where none of them know where the little baby is..

I'm not quite following your reasoning - why do you think DCF would need to get involved in what arrangements have been made for who has & who is taking care of baby Jordan? Do we know if DCF was ever involved in the first place with his care?

[Motomom]

Good point Owl! I doubt very much if Art Harris and the great grandma are lying. ronald is the father, imo.

The only thing I can say about that is, Art and Grat grandma weren't there when Ron and Amber were having sex, or when Amber was having sex with God knows who else. I believe Jordan may be his, he believes Jordan may be his, but that isn't proof at this point. And it has nothing to do with haleigh. IMO

[titanfan217]

I read Art's article yesterday then again this morning and saw something I don't remember seeing yeserday. Today it says she was "alerted to Ron driving through" her parking lot. That doesn't soundlike someone who saw it herself.


Not necessarily. She probably wasn't the 1st one to see him and that person(s) may have told her while he was still there or later. I did note that on the 911 call that she said "daughter".

Either way, AH isn't the 1st that has written something that is only partially correct, and he won't be the last.

OT, I'm doing some research now based upon an article in our local newspaper, that may or may not make a significant impact upon my future.

[Motomom]

quick question...what was the SO's name that was investigated very early in the case who had an ankle monitor???? oh good grief, his name is right ion the tip of my tongue........

Is that the one who went to the Haleighbug center more than once?? I Can't remember the name but I'm wondering what else they found out about him. Odd that a RSO would show up there more than once.. We know how some sick people like that, want to be involved with their victems families..

[?noanswer]

If that were true, why did he answer possibly? :confused:

There is no way in this world I would take the word of any of those young women without a DNA test. They are party girls from what I've seen and read.

JMO.

There are still ill-informed young women who think if they slept with X ten times that month and only slept with Y once, IT MUST BE THE CHILD OF X......:rolleyes: Only a DNA test would be good enough for me with that bunch, including Misty who might have been using her sister's pregnancy test..... barf sorry. Oh and that was alleged by NAYNAY in one of her ART VIDEOS IIRC.

I'm with you. Until there is a DNA test confirming a father for the child, I believe it could be any male around. Nay Nay said the other girl was a girl of the night, but when they do drugs, probably none of them remember who they slept with. They might even exchange sex for drugs. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

That is why I was so angry after hearing that 911 call yesterday. He and TJH "confirmed" this BOLO, confirmed that Ron was trying to kidnap this child, using his four year old son to do it...then we hear the 911 call and I'm thinking, forget the bounty hunter...I really don't expect much better out of him but these two men are supposed to be professionals....how could they be so negligent in their reporting?

After that first fast one TJ Hart tried to pull, I have little to no faith at all in him or his reporting. What a farce the advertisement was for the SOLO INTERVIEW....GMAB.

People who are afraid to click on links took him at his word as opposed to actually listening to the COBRA SYNOPSIS with no confirmation. SHAME ON THE LOT OF THEM who are trying to make a name and a little cash from the tragedy of a missing child.

BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS HOME. :wub:

[Motomom]

If that were true, why did he answer possibly? :confused:

There is no way in this world I would take the word of any of those young women without a DNA test. They are party girls from what I've seen and read.

JMO.

There are still ill-informed young women who think if they slept with X ten times that month and only slept with Y once, IT MUST BE THE CHILD OF X......:rolleyes: Only a DNA test would be good enough for me with that bunch, including Misty who might have been using her sister's pregnancy test..... barf sorry. Oh and that was alleged by NAYNAY in one of her ART VIDEOS IIRC.


Naynay.. a piece of work IMO.. both of those girls should have stayed wherever they were and kept their mugs out of it. How anyone can believe these two is beyond me. Maybe they should work on being good humans at this point, get off drugs and do the right thing. Amber has a baby that she should be tending to.

[Owlface]

Ron believes he might be the father but apparently there is some doubt since he answered "possibly". I've said all along there might be a reason he has doubts.

I don't know how ANY male can be SURE that a particular child is their's biologically, without a DNA test.

[CANDYKISSES]

The only thing I can say about that is, Art and Grat grandma weren't there when Ron and Amber were having sex, or when Amber was having sex with God knows who else. I believe Jordan may be his, he believes Jordan may be his, but that isn't proof at this point. And it has nothing to do with haleigh. IMO

Oh yeah, did you take note of Grandma saying Jordan is one year old? I thought we had confirmation of 20 months the other day, but it might have come from "sources". :sneaky: jmo

[Texas48]

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.You may be right..Ron may be the dad,,even he said.*possible*..If he wants custody of this baby I'm sure he knows what legal steps to take..DNA request comes to mind.

[HouseOfClark]

Thanks Themis for trying to keep it real. I haven't heard about it either, but not saying it couldn't be true, either.

Unlike this which people could take as a fact, which hasn't been proven yet:
Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald.
My bold and my opinions.

You're saying two different things here.

:confused:

[Texas48]

I hate to point this very sobering fact out, but maybe they ARE living lives better than their parents had, :scared:OMG..X..you know how to say it kiddo..Now I/m really scared. Oh dear.

[Peaches]

good morning scampi..I watched the JVM last night..Did you notice when Jane was saying *nothing* had been comfirmed that Ron was the *father* of this baby..Art kept shaking his head in a yes motion..He said the gm and Amber made those claims..just me but that is not comfirmation..something like a BC or DNA results would be fact...I don't know if Ron is the dad or not..no one does. but what in the world does that type of speculation have to do with Who took Haleigh? This is my opinion and all with respect to you scamp...Not being snarky or rude..so please do not take it that way..JMO



Excellent post here and I agree with all you said. We do not know that all these rumors are true. They are just other people's opinions to say the least.

As usual, Texas, you are trying your best to point out FACTS from rumors. Thank you for keeping us grounded and our focus on Haleigh!

MOO

[HouseOfClark]

Naynay.. a piece of work IMO.. both of those girls should have stayed wherever they were and kept their mugs out of it. How anyone can believe these two is beyond me. Maybe they should work on being good humans at this point, get off drugs and do the right thing. Amber has a baby that she should be tending to.

If Misty was indeed with them though the weekend before Haleigh disappeared, and she told police about them, they were brought in to it.

I agree that EVERYONE in this case should work on being good humans and doing the right thing, in all things.

[Peaches]

AH is looking for money (and publicity) too. He will do/say whatever it takes to earn (gain) it. JMO

And the only way to do this is to make it juicy so others will listen. He and Cobra will report anything. jmo

[Olives]

I don't know how ANY male can be SURE that a particular child is their's biologically, without a DNA test.

Really. I don't think Ronald would take Jordan if he didn't believe he was the father even though according to GGM he only kept him overnight.

I hope AH keeps working this story.

[Texas48]

Good point Owl! I doubt very much if Art Harris and the great grandma are lying. ronald is the father, imo.and... when DNA is done and Ron is proven to be the dad...then what? Will this then lead LE to find Haleigh or find out what happened to her? Will Ron be forced to pay child support? Will Ron get visitation? Will Amber turn over full custody to Ron? I hope if and when a DNA is done it is its found that Ron IS NOT the father..and not for the reason you might think. JMO as always.

[Olives]

Thanks Themis for trying to keep it real. I haven't heard about it either, but not saying it couldn't be true, either.

Unlike this which people could take as a fact, which hasn't been proven yet:
Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald.
My bold and my opinions.

Your post is confusing what are you trying to say?

[carlybarly]

Did someone allege that Cobra is claiming Amber and NayNay are the key to finding Haleigh or was that a nightmare?

It was TJ Hart that said

"It was Staubs who posted the bond for Brooks and Prevatt. Staubs believes these women are key to this investigation"

http://www.bloggernews.net/120587

I came across that today and that part stuck with me as I'm not really sure how those two are the key. I never thought of either of them having anything to do with Haleigh being missing, but at this point anything is possible with all the craziness that seems to erupt.

[HouseOfClark]

It was TJ Hart that said

"It was Staubs who posted the bond for Brooks and Prevatt. Staubs believes these women are key to this investigation"

http://www.bloggernews.net/120587

I came across that today and that part stuck with me as I'm not really sure how those two are the key. I never thought of either of them having anything to do with Haleigh being missing, but at this point anything is possible with all the craziness that seems to erupt.

Anybody associated with Ron or Misty could have had a hand in Haleigh's disappearance or know what happened. Whatever happened to Haleigh didn't occur in a vacuum.

The sad fact is that Haleigh's world was filled with Ambers, and Mistys, Rons, and Renes - not to mention the countless sex offenders who reside in Putnam County, Florida.

[solar]

Maybe it's me, but what does the paternity of this baby have to do with the missing Haleigh?

I come here to lurk and find out the status of the investigation of the missing child, but it seems the only information to get is on the sad state of affairs of the lives of the people surrounding the child and not even her immediate family.

It also seems to me that both parents and their immediate families are the only ones trying to keep the focus on Haleigh by removing themselves out of the light of cameras.

Hopefully, with them working through their attorneys and with LE this case can be solved. The other outside players ( the media seekers) are of no significance to me.

imo
solar

[cuppajoe]

Mr. Staubs is also an investigator I think and is working along the other detectives that KP hired. The more professionals looking for this little girl the better. mo.

I think all of these people are working with law enforcement and that's a good thing.

In a missing person's case everything about the family is important.

mo

[titanfan217]

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.

The difference being that RC may think Amber could have been with someone else. She probably would know if this is true, and we don't know what she's said and whether it is believable.

XDIL ran her mouth about the younger grandson at a bar. When it came to child support, the dad asked for DNA and delayed paying any child support for several months.

[Mimi428]

The vast majority of children born in the US do not have DNA tests to settle who their bio-father is. I believe this is a case of Ron and Amber dating, her getting pregnant and then their relationship ending - he believes, and apparently everybody who knows them believe, that he is the bio-dad of Jordan which is good enough for me. There may never be a DNA test; like I said most babies don't have DNA tests.

I'm with you on that. There does not seem to be any denial or contention about the reports that Ron & Amber were together at some time. There are a lot of conflicting stories going around about who did what & when & where, but it does not appear that anyone is refuting the 'Amber & Ron were together, she had his baby, they are no longer together' aspect.

And before I forget - I wanted to tell you that I wholeheartedly agree with the things I have read that you have posted. Two that come to mind immediately were points you made about...

1) People who grow up in an environment where physical violence is dealt out by people that raise them do not necessarily see any problem in saying that the person doing the violence 'loves' the person they hit.

I do not find it at all odd if people like Crystal, Amber, other friends & family members report that Ron has hit the children in ways the rest of us would view as extreme or fitting the definition of abuse - AND they also say he loved his children. That particular dichotomy is common in people who have grown up with parents who smack the living daylights out of their kids.

2) You remarked the other day that the dynamics of abusive relationships is often not well understood. You got a lot of negative responses to that observation, by folks who claim that they have been in abusive situations. I absolutely agree with your opinion & I believe your meaning was misinterpreted. It is not a matter of people not remembering abuse & what it was like - there certainly are way too many people who do. However, having personal memories of living with abuse does not automatically grant comprehension of the DYNAMICS of abusive relationships.

So...thanks for posting here, I really enjoy reading your comments.

:seeya:

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

No, you need to go back and read their posts. Themis asks if something has been confirmed. Scampi says something is comfirmed, which is wasn't.
jmo

Aren't you supposed to use the quote button for that?

[CANDYKISSES]

It was TJ Hart that said

"It was Staubs who posted the bond for Brooks and Prevatt. Staubs believes these women are key to this investigation"

http://www.bloggernews.net/120587

I came across that today and that part stuck with me as I'm not really sure how those two are the key. I never thought of either of them having anything to do with Haleigh being missing, but at this point anything is possible with all the craziness that seems to erupt.

Thanks CB, I don't see that either, but maybe he's right and if so more power to him if THESE DUBIOUS ACTIONS BRING HALEIGH HOME!

Otherwise, it looks like these guys are working to a get their name out in the media (like Milstead and KidFinders IMO) garner a bit of cash for whatever comes their way (like Grund coming Cobra's way) perhaps get a spot on cable (like Art cozying up to JVM) :wink: and then of course KIM the DVV diva attorney pro bono.....I think she likes to hear herself and probably plays the videos back critiquing her attacks on Ron. I don't see Kim in it for Haleigh and at this point if she can secure the removal of Junior, I think she'll happily skip along back to where she came from. JMO tho and nothing more. The women love act seems phony at best. barf

I don't think Kim counted on Nancy Grace seeing through the act, but again, it's a matter of opinion.

[Scampi]

Your post is confusing what are you trying to say?

It's confusing to you because bullyjo did not use the quote feature correctly. She just posted from a previous post of mine but failed to put my name.

Go back and read my posts to see what I actually said.

:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

The difference being that RC may think Amber could have been with someone else. She probably would know if this is true, and we don't know what she's said and whether it is believable.

XDIL ran her mouth about the younger grandson at a bar. When it came to child support, the dad asked for DNA and delayed paying any child support for several months.

The last time I had jury duty, I was amazed at the line up in the bottom of the court house for DNA paperwork.

There was a couple locally married seven years with two children seeking a divorce and someone told the husband they thought the two children belonged to another man....sure enough they did, but the judge made the man who raised them for six and four years respectively continue to support them. :confused:

So, yes, given what we have heard from Greg and from some of the players in this saga, DNA before anything IMO. :w00t:

[HouseOfClark]

The last time I had jury duty, I was amazed at the line up in the bottom of the court house for DNA paperwork.

There was a couple locally married seven years with two children seeking a divorce and someone told the husband they thought the two children belonged to another man....sure enough they did, but the judge made the man who raised them for six and four years respectively continue to support them. :confused:

So, yes, given what we have heard from Greg and from some of the players in this saga, DNA before anything IMO. :w00t:

You must have good hearing!

Or one of those ear piece thingies where someone says "Boy he must work out!"

[Texas48]

Excellent post here and I agree with all you said. We do not know that all these rumors are true. They are just other people's opinions to say the least.

As usual, Texas, you are trying your best to point out FACTS from rumors. Thank you for keeping us grounded and our focus on Haleigh!

MOOTY Peaches..actually it was some of your posts and others that helped me look at facts and not at rumors..So..TY.

[psbperu]

Absolutely!!! You know it is really sad. These young girls are throwing their lives away with the drugs and lifestyle they are leading...where are their parents? Don't we all want better for our children than we had? They seem to follow the path they grew up on and it is just one big nasty sad circle and the little ones end up paying for it....


What I wanted for my children is to grow up to be compassionate human beings who lead productive lives. I had a pretty good life so it wasn't a matter of wanting "better" for them.

We are too quick to blame parents for the lifestyle of their teenagers especially the ones who are 16 or older. Some parents do the best they can with the tools they have been given in their own lives ergo cycles are repeated. Agree strongly with you about that.

Plus once they are 16 your hands are tied by the law....you are still responsible for them til age 18 but the only way to control an out of control teenager is to turn them over to the court with a PINS petition (in New York). How many parents are willing to do that or even know that is an avenue to explore?

What is truly sad....are the lives of the children borne by out of control teenagers.

[HouseOfClark]

I think anyone connected to Ron, Misty AND Crystal could have something to do with her disappearance...I also think it could be someone NOT connected to ANY of them. At this point we just don't know one way or the other.


The thing about child cases though is there's only a finite number of people that they have daily contact with. Those people have to be investigated first and then outwardly. Apparently the police can't even move past the ones in the innermost circle.

[Ice Cycle]

Maybe it's me, but what does the paternity of this baby have to do with the missing Haleigh?

I come here to lurk and find out the status of the investigation of the missing child, but it seems the only information to get is on the sad state of affairs of the lives of the people surrounding the child and not even her immediate family.

It also seems to me that both parents and their immediate families are the only ones trying to keep the focus on Haleigh by removing themselves out of the light of cameras.

Hopefully, with them working through their attorneys and with LE this case can be solved. The other outside players ( the media seekers) are of no significance to me.

imo
solar

Although I agree with part of this post the bold part is just about the opposite. They might be saying and making that appear that way now but that is hog wash. Their priorities and actions were not were they should of been at a time that was critical to the search and investigation. That should & should not matter were LE is concerned and someone should be searching for this child. MO

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

Here is the alleged confirmation post and while Art may think he confirmed the DNA on Amber's child, he fell short. Art and Grandma are not doctors or DNA experts. :biggrin:

Good grief, he confirmed Junior trying to help kidnap Jordan IIRC....not so much.

Then he confirmed Cobra didn't get the ladies out.....not so much.

So Art's confirmation is just not a confirmation as JVM states in your link...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What does Ron say about all this? We don`t want to jump to the conclusion that this is Ron`s son. I have no independent confirmation of this.
jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Where I come from

20 months = 1 years old.
24 months = 2 years old.
36 months = 3 years old.


Where I come from

12 months = 1 year old
18 months = 1-1/2 years old
20 months = 20 months or a little over a year and a half
24 months = 2 years old

If you take a look at the child growth development charts you will see many are broken down into months as well. Again, even the twenty months was questionable IIRC. Nobody really knows exactly how old the child is unless they have a copy of the birth certificate.

Just like nobody knowing the paternity unless they have access to a DNA test and my money says, no DNA, no signature for custody from Ron and that Amber has more than likely listed an unknown or we would be having that paperwork pulled and leaked out to the press IMOO. :smile:

[Mimi428]

Maybe it's me, but what does the paternity of this baby have to do with the missing Haleigh?

I come here to lurk and find out the status of the investigation of the missing child, but it seems the only information to get is on the sad state of affairs of the lives of the people surrounding the child and not even her immediate family.

It also seems to me that both parents and their immediate families are the only ones trying to keep the focus on Haleigh by removing themselves out of the light of cameras.

Hopefully, with them working through their attorneys and with LE this case can be solved. The other outside players ( the media seekers) are of no significance to me.

imo
solar

LE has chosen to keep everything about their investigation quiet. Without the various & sundry antics of the people who were part of Haleigh's life (in large or small ways), this case would be getting zero coverage from the media. I do not believe having zero coverage helps find Haleigh or helps in discovering the answers to why she disappeared.

JMO

[Texas48]

I was just stating my opinion on what I read from page 1. You want quotes, no problem.

Themis asks for confirmation in his posts.

Originally Posted by Themis
Responding and question about bolded words:
I'm the first to admit I do not know everything about this case; however, this is the first I remember reading that Haleigh was receiving SSI benefits. Has this been confirmed? As far as I know Haleigh had a physical medical condition -- but did not know this made her eligible for SSI. [JMO * Themis]

Scampi puts out a confirmation without proof.
Originally Posted by Scampi
Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald.

My point. One asking for confirmation, the other saying something is confirmed when in fact it hasn't been.
Which is why I said Themis is trying to keep it REAL.

My bold and my opinions.I think if any poster would read from the start and try and read each post instead of picking and choosing or jumping in in the middle then that posters would have known what you were ref. in your post..most of us did..

[HouseOfClark]

I was just stating my opinion on what I read from page 1. You want quotes, no problem.

Themis asks for confirmation in his posts.

Originally Posted by Themis
Responding and question about bolded words:
I'm the first to admit I do not know everything about this case; however, this is the first I remember reading that Haleigh was receiving SSI benefits. Has this been confirmed? As far as I know Haleigh had a physical medical condition -- but did not know this made her eligible for SSI. [JMO * Themis]

Scampi puts out a confirmation without proof.
Originally Posted by Scampi
Good morning Madame and everyone! Jane Velez Mitchell had an interesting show last night, Art Harris was on and he confirmed that ronald was Jordan's father, among other disturbing stuff about ronald.

My point. One asking for confirmation, the other saying something is confirmed when in fact it hasn't been.
Which is why I said Themis is trying to keep it REAL.

My bold and my opinions.

The only thing about doing it your way is that it's very confusing and leaves open the possibility of changing the person's words or leaving out portions so as to make them out of context with their original meaning.

Not saying you did that, but if you're unsure how to quote multiple posts, I'm sure you can ask someone.

Now, seeing as I saw JVM it appeared to me - by the nodding of AH head, that he indeed was confirming the parentage of little Jordan.

If you didn't see the body language, I'm sure that's why you don't believe anything that was indicated to the affirmative.

As to the other, why would the grandmother or great grandmother lie to anyone about whether or not the child collects disability? What on earth would she hope to gain by something like that?

[Scampi]

As I said in a previous post, Art Harris's report is open to interpretation. When I heard and read the following, I thought Art had confirmed that ronald was the baby's father:


ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, "THE BALD TRUTH": Jane, as you reported, I`ve got this 911 tape on my Web site where Mary Brooks, the grandmother of Amber Brooks, who just got bailed out of jail for cocaine possession, was keeping her son, who is Ronald`s child.

His name is Jordan. He`s got micro-encephaly which is a brain abnormality. And this is a child that Ronald apparently has been very ambivalent about. Had him for a couple of weeks, right after they were, I guess they were together and then they split.

People can take away whatever they want from this report. I believe Art Harris has confirmed it, because I do not think Art is lying or that the great GM is lying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...2/ijvm.01.html

[Scampi]

LE has chosen to keep everything about their investigation quiet. Without the various & sundry antics of the people who were part of Haleigh's life (in large or small ways), this case would be getting zero coverage from the media. I do not believe having zero coverage helps find Haleigh or helps in discovering the answers to why she disappeared.

JMO

Good point, Mims. I wonder if this puts Teresa in an awkward position, even tho she doesn't work for that county iirc.

[Texas48]

Why can't *personal* problems with a poster be sent through a pm and not posted on an open message board? That should be a thought for us all.

[HouseOfClark]

Why can't *personal* problems with a poster be sent through a pm and not posted on an open message board? That should be a thought for us all.

Requesting that someone utilize the tools available on this board is not exactly a personal problem with a poster, is it?

[Scampi]

The only thing about doing it your way is that it's very confusing and leaves open the possibility of changing the person's words or leaving out portions so as to make them out of context with their original meaning.

Not saying you did that, but if you're unsure how to quote multiple posts, I'm sure you can ask someone.

Now, seeing as I saw JVM it appeared to me - by the nodding of AH head, that he indeed was confirming the parentage of little Jordan.

If you didn't see the body language, I'm sure that's why you don't believe anything that was indicated to the affirmative.

As to the other, why would the grandmother or great grandmother lie to anyone about whether or not the child collects disability? What on earth would she hope to gain by something like that?

Clark, that's the point I am trying to make too. What is the benefit of Art Harris or the great GM lying. It seems everyone connected to this case are thought to be liars, except ronald and misty. Sorry, that is just not reasonable, imo.

Especially when LE has come out and questioned misty's timeline publicly.

[kitty1182]

I still get a feeling Haleigh is safe and sound....

[Peaches]

I still get a feeling Haleigh is safe and sound....


Kitty, I think that most posters here are praying that this is correct.

Prayers for Haleigh!:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

You must have good hearing!

Or one of those ear piece thingies where someone says "Boy he must work out!"

Are you trying to state you can't hear any of the videos? :confused:

Try turning your speakers on. :smile:

[FrankieBones1]

I still get a feeling Haleigh is safe and sound....

I hope so, too, Kitty. I just don't think an S.O. would keep her alive this long.

[Scampi]

Requesting that someone utilize the tools available on this board is not exactly a personal problem with a poster, is it?

Here is a link to Coldwater's instructions on quoting, from the feedback board.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12470788&postcount=71

[Mimi428]

Good point, Mims. I wonder if this puts Teresa in an awkward position, even tho she doesn't work for that county iirc.

I think Teresa is in a terrible position, for several reasons - but I also wonder how her employment is being affected. I know she does not work for Putnam county, but it seems that the county she does work for is not that far away (unless she is making one h#ll of a commute to work). There are plenty of cases here where a crime may be committed in this county - but the perps or evidence or other things may be found in other counties - & their LE agencies are at least peripherally involved. If it is correct that she works as a dispatcher, what are the possibilities (I wonder) for someone to call in a tip or report on an incident that another county is also involved in? I think there is at least a little possibility that something could be discovered related to Haleigh's disappearance in the same county where she works - & potentially during one of her shifts.

JMO

[kitty1182]

I hope so, too, Kitty. I just don't think an S.O. would keep her alive this long.

I don't think it is a SO who has her..MOO

[Scampi]

I hope so, too, Kitty. I just don't think an S.O. would keep her alive this long.

Hiya Frankie! Sadly, I agree with you, but I am hoping for another result.

:seeya:

[HouseOfClark]

Are you trying to state you can't hear any of the videos? :confused:

Try turning your speakers on. :smile:

From your courthouse visit for jury duty?

[Scampi]

I think Teresa is in a terrible position, for several reasons - but I also wonder how her employment is being affected. I know she does not work for Putnam county, but it seems that the county she does work for is not that far away (unless she is making one h#ll of a commute to work). There are plenty of cases here where a crime may be committed in this county - but the perps or evidence or other things may be found in other counties - & their LE agencies are at least peripherally involved. If it is correct that she works as a dispatcher, what are the possibilities (I wonder) for someone to call in a tip or report on an incident that another county is also involved in? I think there is at least a little possibility that something could be discovered related to Haleigh's disappearance in the same county where she works - & potentially during one of her shifts.

JMO

That would be awkward for her. Perhaps they have moved her out of "sensitive" positions?

[Motomom]

The only thing about doing it your way is that it's very confusing and leaves open the possibility of changing the person's words or leaving out portions so as to make them out of context with their original meaning.

Not saying you did that, but if you're unsure how to quote multiple posts, I'm sure you can ask someone.

Now, seeing as I saw JVM it appeared to me - by the nodding of AH head, that he indeed was confirming the parentage of little Jordan.

If you didn't see the body language, I'm sure that's why you don't believe anything that was indicated to the affirmative.

As to the other, why would the grandmother or great grandmother lie to anyone about whether or not the child collects disability? What on earth would she hope to gain by something like that?


The problem is ART cannot CONFIRM anything in regards to who the father is. He can shake his head yes and no all he wants, but the fact of the matter is, he simply cannot confirm it. Now if he has proof..well then there you go.. but he has NONE at this point. At least none that he is showing. Whether the child is Ron's or not, has nothing to do with Haleigh missing, unless Amber is involved in her disappearance IMO.

[Scampi]

I think if any poster would read from the start and try and read each post instead of picking and choosing or jumping in in the middle then that posters would have known what you were ref. in your post..most of us did..

Thank you Tex, that is exactly what people should do. Start at the beginning and read everyone's posts. Always the voice of reason.

:thumbsup:

[Pat]

So does that mean that we still do not know if Ron is even the father of JR and Haleigh? Did I miss him doing a test somewhere? Or are we giving him credit for picking and choosing which children he "wants" to father?

DNA tests were done for the custody hearing. Check the links thread for the court documents regarding this issue..

[Scampi]

The problem is ART cannot CONFIRM anything in regards to who the father is. He can shake his head yes and no all he wants, but the fact of the matter is, he simply cannot confirm it. Now if he has proof..well then there you go.. but he has NONE at this point. At least none that he is showing. Whether the child is Ron's or not, has nothing to do with Haleigh missing, unless Amber is involved in her disappearance IMO.

I consider the statement he got from the Great GM all the proof I need to conclude that ronald is the father. imo.

[Motomom]

As I said in a previous post, Art Harris's report is open to interpretation. When I heard and read the following, I thought Art had confirmed that ronald was the baby's father:


ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, "THE BALD TRUTH": Jane, as you reported, I`ve got this 911 tape on my Web site where Mary Brooks, the grandmother of Amber Brooks, who just got bailed out of jail for cocaine possession, was keeping her son, who is Ronald`s child.

His name is Jordan. He`s got micro-encephaly which is a brain abnormality. And this is a child that Ronald apparently has been very ambivalent about. Had him for a couple of weeks, right after they were, I guess they were together and then they split.

People can take away whatever they want from this report. I believe Art Harris has confirmed it, because I do not think Art is lying or that the great GM is lying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...2/ijvm.01.html


Art may believe ron is the father, you may believe that, I think he may be.. the fact still remains, he cannot confirm it without proof. How can he confirm something like that? without having the proof?

[HouseOfClark]

Here is a link to Coldwater's instructions on quoting, from the feedback board.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12470788&postcount=71

Thanks, I know I don't get here very often but I didn't think we could just write out someone's words like that and have others have to go wading to find the post without any point of reference. I feel vindicated.

:smile:

[Motomom]

I don't think it means that AH or GGM is necessarily lying, I think what others have been trying to say is that without DNA proving paternity there is no way either of them could have confirmed it.

Exactly Pia. I don't think the GGM is lieing. She's only going by what Amber has told her. It's all in wording IMO.. it has not been confirmed is all.

[Motomom]

I still get a feeling Haleigh is safe and sound....

Kitty I have felt that about her from the beginning too. Not sure if I feel the same way 100% now, but i'm sure as heck hoping she is.

[HouseOfClark]

The problem is ART cannot CONFIRM anything in regards to who the father is. He can shake his head yes and no all he wants, but the fact of the matter is, he simply cannot confirm it. Now if he has proof..well then there you go.. but he has NONE at this point. At least none that he is showing. Whether the child is Ron's or not, has nothing to do with Haleigh missing, unless Amber is involved in her disappearance IMO.

So if he's not the father, why would he ask the grandmother for him only to return him the next day with all his clothes? Why would she turn him over to someone that had no connection to him? In my opinion, she had a reasonable belief that he was the father to have done that.

Or she lying about that?

[CANDYKISSES]

From your courthouse visit for jury duty?

I was able to read the outcome of that case. The only reference to hearing was in the videos of Greg. There is a sign above the door for DNA paperwork which I commented on in my post. I was surprised they actually have an office to handle it in the court house now.

So hopefully if the interest in paternity here escalates any further, just maybe Jordan will finally have a DNA test and the paternity will be legally established no matter who the father is, and I believe that just might be motivating the interest in Amber from Kim's team. JMO tho.

They could keep DCF busy for a little while longer if it came back as Ron Cummings, but ohhhhhh the can of worms.......:unsure: JMO again.

[Motomom]

I hope so, too, Kitty. I just don't think an S.O. would keep her alive this long.

Does anyone remember the story, well it was a movie back in the 80s I think.. I can't remember the name, missing or taken or something. About a boy and they found him a few yrs later. Not steven Stanger, a different one. He was living in a row home and was acting as a caregiver I think. I asked this early on too.. I keep thinking of that case and I don't know if it's true or not.. I remember bits and pieces of the movie though.

[Motomom]

I consider the statement he got from the Great GM all the proof I need to conclude that ronald is the father. imo.

Nobody is disputing that Scamp. It still isnt' confirmation. Just that you believe him and her, when they have no confirmation. I need more proof than that though. Like I said before, I do think he may be the father, but who knows who else she was sleeping with at that point. I know very little about their relationship, how long it was etc etc.. and unless Amber has something to do with Haleighs disappearance it really means nothing IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

So if he's not the father, why would he ask the grandmother for him only to return him the next day with all his clothes? Why would she turn him over to someone that had no connection to him? In my opinion, she had a reasonable belief that he was the father to have done that.

Or she lying about that?

Maybe he was going to try and get a DNA test done himself....ya never know.

So the only thing that is confirmed is that there is a possibility of Ron having another child and he said it was a possibility at least a month ago.

None of us know what has gone on between Amber and Ron, and then Amber and Grandma IMO. But maybe this will lead DCF to their door too and it can start all over again. JMO :huh:

So I wonder how Cobra thinks Amber and NAYNAY could be tied to Haleigh???? Now that is an interesting question....imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Does the grandmother or Ron know everyone Amber has slept with? Specially since she has a drug addiction :(

and is Rons grandmother lying about seeing Haleigh ?

Well now, that's certainly worth exploring. Believe one grandmother and not the other. Blame things on age for one, but not the other. Well alrighty then. :ohmy: JMO

[bama__angel]

Does anyone remember the story, well it was a movie back in the 80s I think.. I can't remember the name, missing or taken or something. About a boy and they found him a few yrs later. Not steven Stanger, a different one. He was living in a row home and was acting as a caregiver I think. I asked this early on too.. I keep thinking of that case and I don't know if it's true or not.. I remember bits and pieces of the movie though.



I think the movie was called Without a Trace.....Judd Hirsch, David Dukes and Kate Nelligan....I think .....

[Pat]

The problem is ART cannot CONFIRM anything in regards to who the father is. He can shake his head yes and no all he wants, but the fact of the matter is, he simply cannot confirm it. Now if he has proof..well then there you go.. but he has NONE at this point. At least none that he is showing. Whether the child is Ron's or not, has nothing to do with Haleigh missing, unless Amber is involved in her disappearance IMO.

Art Harris is a gossip columnist. It doesn't matter that once, years ago, he was an accredited journalist. He isn't anymore. He fact-checks nothing but prints it anyway. This latest fiasco is just one of many that supports that.

The sad fact of the matter is that with Haleigh now missing almost three months, absolutely nothing is known regarding her disappearance. If LE have any information, they are keeping it "close hold".

We've heard loads of gossip, claims of imminent arrests, "keys" who turn out to be nothing...and Kim Picazio, Cobra and Art Harris are discussed more than Haleigh.

There is absolutely no evidence either parent or Misty were directly involved in Haleigh going missing.

[bama__angel]

You are certainly right, grandma would probably not know everyone that Amber was sleeping with. But that leads to a better question, why is everyone who is sleeping with Ron also sleeping elsewhere and using drugs? Quite a pattern emerging.


Your post leads me to a question.....Why cant women be responsible for their own behavior? Why does blame have to assigned to a man? I'm really curious.....

[HouseOfClark]

And I corrected it, right??

Does anyone feel the Cobra is actually looking for Haleigh?? Or Chad??

Chad who?

:confused:

[HouseOfClark]

I am really not getting why you insist some are saying she is lying. Or did I miss that??

All were saying is it has not been LEGALLY confirmed.
jmo

So it doesn't bother you that a grown man takes an infant who may or may not be his child for a sleepover?

Is the grandmother making that up? I didn't insist that people say she is lying. I was asking if she was lying. There's a difference.

[Mimi428]

Well didn't Art and Cobra just say the other day that Ronald sent Jr to the door to lure out the baby? and was that true?

I think you are leaving out an important distinction - did AH or Cobra put out misinformation deliberately - or did they make a simple error?

There is a heck of a lot of difference between saying something with malice - & saying something wrong.

There have been a whole lot of posters on this message board who proclaimed long & loud that Chad was not divorced when he & Crystal had a baby together. A whole lot of posters have written that Chad committed violence against minor children. Turns out that both of those things were false. Should we now refuse to believe anything those same posters write? Is it reasonable to believe they were simply misinformed - or should we claim they posted those falsehoods with malicious intent?

IOW, if AH or Cobra (or whoever) is going to be painted with one kind of brush - what sort of brush should you should be painted with? Same brush? Different brush? (rhetorical question)

JMO

[Motomom]

I think the movie was called Without a Trace.....Judd Hirsch, David Dukes and Kate Nelligan....I think .....

Yep that's it. Was it a true story?

[HouseOfClark]

The missing person.

That doesn't tell me who he is. Is he supposed to be with Haleigh?

[Motomom]

And I corrected it, right??

Does anyone feel the Cobra is actually looking for Haleigh?? Or Chad??

I don't. Not at this point. If he finds something credible, maybe I will. I think he's all about digging up dirt. I wish he would go look for Chad. Chad MAY be the KEY no one really knows at this point.. Plus that other guy, the one that was at the haleigh bug site a few times.. i'd be looking into him too if I were cobra, instead of trying to get dirt on who Misty was sleeping with the weekend before Haleigh disappeared. JMO though :)

[Mimi428]

Nobody is disputing that Scamp. It still isnt' confirmation. Just that you believe him and her, when they have no confirmation. I need more proof than that though. Like I said before, I do think he may be the father, but who knows who else she was sleeping with at that point. I know very little about their relationship, how long it was etc etc.. and unless Amber has something to do with Haleighs disappearance it really means nothing IMO.

Speaking only for myself, I think the literal determination of paternity for Jordan is pretty close to irrelevent - for me, the only issue when it comes to that baby is whether or not Ron, Misty, Amber & Amber's family have any reason to believe Ron could be the father.

People's behaviors, mindsets, actions are based on what they think more often than what they literally know & can prove scientifically. It is the behaviors, the motivations, the beliefs of the people that were part of Haleigh's life that interests me - not the nit-picking over whether DNA tests were done.

I do not have any indication at this moment that Amber's grandmother was motivated to lie when she made the 911 call or when she says something that indicates that she believes Ron is the father.

Now if something comes up later that points to her possibly having a motivation to lie, I will change how I interpret what she says. And that is why I do not lump together all the grandmothers or use a one-size-fits-all-grandmothers measuring stick when thinking about what any of the grandmothers has said.

JMO

[titanfan217]

I still get a feeling Haleigh is safe and sound....

Hope you're right.

[HouseOfClark]

Chad Reynolds, registered sex offender, lived with mother, left home to go to a bar to watch a game with friends four days before Haleigh went missing, there has been some speculation that he knows some of the key players in this game, maybe due to the drug trafficking going on all around, IDK, but his grandparents live in the Satsuma area, and he spent alot of time there growing up, and played in that huge national forest that no one has searched yet.

Then you would think he would be at the top of any persons of interest list the police have going.

Have his grandparents hired Cobra to look for him too?

[Mimi428]

why would Art put anything on his site without confirming it first?

I don't know, why don't you ask him, instead of people who cannot answer for him?

[HouseOfClark]

Trying to stay on top of things this morning.

If not answered, I believe that bullyjo is referencing an R.S.O who went missing at the time of Haleigh's disappearance. I believe, but am 100% sure, that this man has been cleared of anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

Glad to see you here.



Oh, okay. I missed your post a minute ago.

So if he's been cleared, that sort of puts everyone back to square one with Haleigh.

So sad.

[Mimi428]

OMG i had no clue Chad was a RSO ..........:scared:

Chad who?

Chad Griffis, father of Crystal's baby (although we don't have DNA test results to PROVE it), is not an RSO.

Chad Reynolds, a totally different person, is an RSO.

[titanfan217]

Art did not confirm Ronald was the father. In fact he said there has been NO dna test............. Gesh can we at least be honest and stick to the facts?

I thought that too, but he did call him Ronald's son.

On the other hand, RC seems to have had previous contact, but maybe that was more to do with his opinion of the mother at any particular time.

[titanfan217]

Kitty I have felt that about her from the beginning too. Not sure if I feel the same way 100% now, but i'm sure as heck hoping she is.

What I do believe is that if she was alive February 14, she is alive today.

[HouseOfClark]

I thought that too, but he did call him Ronald's son.

On the other hand, RC seems to have had previous contact, but maybe that was more to do with his opinion of the mother at any particular time.


An opinion he only had for 24 hours because he brought him back the next day?

[Scampi]

That was corrected by Art Harris. He made a mistake in taking the word of someone he believed to be credible; in this case, a preacher with a penchant for "radio calls."

I don't know anything about either of these men, Art Harris and William Staubs. But, when things are stated as fact, we can try to go to the source.

Since I am catching up this morning, has there been discussion regarding Art Harris's statement that the GGM of J, A's baby, went to the police station Monday morning? According to him, she requested that an incident report be filled out for the house call the night before.

She would really be putting herself in the line of trouble to go to this level of reporting (to the police). If some of us feel that Ronald Cummings can be an intimidating presence, imagine how the caretaker, the GGM of a precious little baby would feel, living down there amongst all of these people, knowing Haleigh has disappeared. If her daughter is the one who saw Ron and Misty "cruising" through the complexes's parking lot, she did right in alerting her mother, in my opinion. Making the 911 call was the intelligent and prudent thing to do, in my opinion.


Seeker, thank you so much for this information, especially the part I highlighted.

[Scampi]

well so far there has been no dna test and i don't trust anyone in this case so i'll wait for the dna test.

BUT with that being said i do think RC's the father and he should be ashamed of himself for not supporting his disabled child.

Ah, we have an area of agreement friend. Hope you feel better Angel.

[Scampi]

LOL

At this stage of the game, I don't even care who Haleigh's dad is, I just want them to find her.

Gotta question......if we stripped away everything from, say, after the very first week of the investigation, all the rumors, all the weird behavior, all the garbage, the tat, the wedding, the everything that has nothing to do with a little girls disappearance, what information would we be left with to find thhis child with? And, more importantly, what information would LE be left with to find her?

Very interesting question Madame. IMO, we'd be left with misty's suspect timeline and ronald's inappropriate actions during the 911 call.

[Texas48]

Thank you Tex, that is exactly what people should do. Start at the beginning and read everyone's posts. Always the voice of reason.

:thumbsup:IMO that is just out of respect that each post be read...some choose to pick and choose..of course thats their privedge and not for me to instruct them..its just respect..

[titanfan217]

Does the grandmother or Ron know everyone Amber has slept with? Specially since she has a drug addiction :(

and is Rons grandmother lying about seeing Haleigh ?


Whether Amber has a drug addiction or not, doubt anyone except Amber knows everyone she has slept with.

I don't know that Ron's grandmother is lying about seeing Haleigh. I do know the way I got the information (HLN) there were delays, holes, and inconsistencies in the story, and I still question who the other person was in "we".

[Texas48]

Requesting that someone utilize the tools available on this board is not exactly a personal problem with a poster, is it?
I don't think you even know what I am ref. to Clark..

[bama__angel]

I don't think you even know what I am ref. to Clark..


Texas48.....I like your posts.....You tell it like it is......

[Scampi]

I do too. I find it, um, interesting, that some posters won't accept that Ron's the father without DNA proof. How many of those posters have children and they label someone their child's father and expect to be believed without providing DNA proof.

Isn't it? Especially when Ronald is on record and absolutely not denying it outright.

[Texas48]

So if he's not the father, why would he ask the grandmother for him only to return him the next day with all his clothes? Why would she turn him over to someone that had no connection to him? In my opinion, she had a reasonable belief that he was the father to have done that.

Or she lying about that?and don't forget..gm must have had alot of trust in Ron to just say..heres the baby. Even Ron said *possible* when he was asked during and interview..so what? what difference does it make in this case? some man fathered this baby..ok..we are all clear on that *fact*..

[Mimi428]

TY Mimi,..I had a brain fart sorry. I have a horrible sinus infection and my brain is foggy today.

Not a prob, not to worry.

It sure would help if there were not multiple people with the same first name. I hope upon hope that LE finds the missing Chad Reynolds & that the question of his whereabouts can be ascertained & have nothing to do with this so we can quit being concerned about him.

And I hope Ron's sister, also named Crystal, does not turn out to be involved in any way. I'm not particularly concerned about her, but the man who is the father of her child has a pretty disturbing arrest & conviction record.

We just don't need any more folks with the same first names being attached to the case or the speculations about who did what with whom - & when - & how often - & where...ack!

[titanfan217]

no problem, he's been on my radar since day 1...oops that would be my hinkey meter

Is everyone intentionally ignoring any posts about Gale St John, and Brian's dreams? If so, I won't post any more about them ,just let me know

Not ignoring them. I did try to listen yesterday, but had trouble following. Since this was the 1st I'd even heard of this site, not sure anything about the background & how reliable.

The part about the rumor that Haleigh had already been found did get my attention, but honestly set up a red flag too.

[Texas48]

Well now, that's certainly worth exploring. Believe one grandmother and not the other. Blame things on age for one, but not the other. Well alrighty then. :ohmy: JMOPlease..please..lets NOT start blaming anything on age..lol..heck.. if we do that them I'm in the lead to take all kinda blames...lol..

[CANDYKISSES]

Isn't it? Especially when Ronald is on record and absolutely not denying it outright.

I'm amazed, but then again, NOT SO MUCH at the credibility given to women by some posters. These are women who have done nothing at all to earn credibility IMO and whatever they say is now to be taken as gospel for those who seem to want them to be victims. This is 2009 and women are just as promiscuous as men and engage in intimate relations while they party just for kicks (as alleged by Greg about Misty), but yet we are supposed to believe A MOTHER WHO WAS JUST BAILED OUT FOR DRUGS on what she claims to be paternity????

Am I understanding that correctly? :confused:

IF a man has sex with a WOMAN ONE TIME in the MONTH and another has sex with a WOMAN TEN TIMES in the same month, you do realize there is no guarantee as to who the father is IMO. :scared:

So, when Ron Cummings says possibly, I would say he is admitting to having sexual relations with the woman around the estimated time of conception. We don't know what AMBER was doing or if she was partying during that time.

What we do know is that the disability (Art is alleging for Jordan) can come as a result of a genetic disorder or in conjunction with FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME and DRUG USE IIRC.

AGAIN, the only person that will really help IMO is Kim & Co. if they can keep the fire going and get DCF into it too. I stand by the idea, that's exactly what is going on here. JMO.

How will this help find Haleigh? :confused:

[Texas48]

I think the movie was called Without a Trace.....Judd Hirsch, David Dukes and Kate Nelligan....I think .....OMG..I love when ppl bring up things I have forgotten all about..That was one of my favorite movies and had not thought about it in years.....lol

[Texas48]

And I corrected it, right??

Does anyone feel the Cobra is actually looking for Haleigh?? Or Chad??The only thing I have seen Cobra do is strut around with ..his..big gun. woooo....lol

[Scampi]

Ah, you and seeker both mentioned the 911 call......oh, to be a fly on the wall in that house while that call was being made...

So true. BTW, I would like to go on record as not being gullible where the female sex is concerned. For example, I absolutely distrust what misty has said about that timeline and so do the police, imo.

[Mimi428]

I don't know for fact if he is or not. And I really don't care. The baby didn't take Haleigh.

As for the rest of your post, how many women claim someone is the father and been proven wrong.

Now where is Haleigh?? Is Cobra really looking for her or dirt??
jmo

Again with one measuring stick for 'here' - & another measuring stick for 'there'. You ask how many women falsely claim - why do you leave out how many men falsely deny?

I have no idea how many women throughout all of history have falsely claimed some man is the father of her baby. But if I had to guess, I would think the number would be less than the number of men who have denied paternity of a baby they actually had good reason to believe was their own. I'm taking a historical perspective on it, because the ability to DNA test has been around for such a comparatively short period of time.

JMO

[Texas48]

That is your own self imposed interpretation. I did not blame Ron. But it is undeniable that he plays a part in their actions, if they are showing a pattern of behavior then apparently he was also. What was it? Drugs and abuse maybe?IMO..I thought it was a great question and could be discussed..I don't believe the poster meant it to her/his own imposed interpretation..I am so much into Womens Rights and that question caught my eye right off..

[Owlface]

Did you believe Anna when she said Howard was the father?

Well, I can't be sure I ever actually heard Anna say Howard was the father. But, to answer the spirit of your question, yes I believed Howard was the father until dude claimed he was the bio-dad and wanted a blood test.

[Texas48]

That doesn't tell me who he is. Is he supposed to be with Haleigh?Google his name..

[Texas48]

Art Harris and TJ have both tried to clear up any errors in the first reports.

There's not much value in going over the same things ad nauseum but for some, it's to be expected, imo.

Glad to see Art was on Jane last night! :thumbsup:last time I checked WE can pretty much discuss and *go over* anything we want to..within the TOS

[Texas48]

I don't really care who Jordans' father is, unless Jordan kidnapped Haleigh, or was with the person who did it.

Where is Haleigh?OMG..you have now become Voice Of Reason..Great Post X..lol with you..

[Owlface]

It is definitely questionable that you seem to believe Crystal is only being honest when she is confessing unsavory things about herself. You claim to take those things as the gospel, especially when she admits she has never seen Ron abuse the children. But when she says something against Ron, suddenly it is not trustworthy at face value. Now please if you will, explain the formula you are using to deduce that Ron is credible. What has he done to prove that?

I would love to hear the answer to that.

Also, there are some posters that I just scroll by because I have read enough of their posts to know that they hold certain beliefs that defy logic, in my opinion. It's not that I have a problem with different viewpoints than my own - I'd rather read what someone has to say that doesn't think how I do to expand my horizons - it's that they hold a certain opinion and I know that they aren't going to have anything logical to say about why they believe as they do.

[JD1974]

Does anyone remember the story, well it was a movie back in the 80s I think.. I can't remember the name, missing or taken or something. About a boy and they found him a few yrs later. Not steven Stanger, a different one. He was living in a row home and was acting as a caregiver I think. I asked this early on too.. I keep thinking of that case and I don't know if it's true or not.. I remember bits and pieces of the movie though.


I think I know what one you are talking about...at the end the cop and his son picked the kidnapped boy from the house and the ending was him running to his mother? Is it Without a Trace?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086593/

[Texas48]

I don't really care who Jordans' father is, unless Jordan kidnapped Haleigh, or was with the person who did it.

Where is Haleigh?lol again..I really did not like how my post sounded..kinda like you JUST now become the voice of reason...not how I meant....you are Always the voice of reason..lol with you again..lol

[titanfan217]

I would love to know who "we" are also.


I'm not calling Ambers grandmother a liar but why did she have to ask Amber and NayNay what the car looked like? Did she not see it?

She may or may not have seen it or could be like me especially when it's dark. Depending upon distance, I couldn't tell one car from another, and didn't someone say she was on the 3rd floor.

[Texas48]

Kinky.........


But i think you are correct.Someone say *kinky*...I amy be older than dirt and kinky looks pretty good right now..lol..before anyone takes it that I am an old woman that has kinky ways....I have a cat named *Kinky* lol though.

[Texas48]

Keep trying to say I am always looking for trouble.

Here is my post, now point out the trouble.

Originally Posted by bullyjo
I for one definitely believed RC did drugs. Does he now, who knows? Maybe LE or DCF does. Thats where it counts. As for your post, I honestly don't remember people saying RC is a straight arrow. But then, how many straight arrows could very well be druggies?
jmoSo strange how we are getting along so good today..??? Don't you just love it..What a great day of discussions..kwim?

[Scampi]

which story, any particular one or all, what? four? of them?

LOL, every single last one of them.

[Texas48]

with all due respect it's kinda hard to clear someone they haven't been able to find since before she went missing, therefore have been unable to question himYou have the best darn answers..glad your mind/brain is working so good today..why had not we thought of that before?? lol

[Peaches]

So strange how we are getting along so good today..??? Don't you just love it..What a great day of discussions..kwim?



I have to agree! Maybe it is because we are remembering that opinions is about all the "true" information we have in this case.

Praying for Haleigh and those who love her.

[Texas48]

well so far there has been no dna test and i don't trust anyone in this case so i'll wait for the dna test.

BUT with that being said i do think RC's the father and he should be ashamed of himself for not supporting his disabled child.
I believe many of us *think* he could be the daddy and now my question is..how do we know that Ron has NOT been supporting/helping..?

[Peaches]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephaly

here, if they haven't already googled it, let's let them read it for themselves.

This baby doesn't have anything to do with haleigh's disappearance.....for one thing, he's too small to have carried her off, and he's too young to drive.

Let's find Haleigh, and the sooner the better



Thank you so much for this information. I agree with you. This baby should be left alone. He did nothing to bring attention to himself.

Bless his heart. If that GGM is good to him, I hope she will be able to keep him because she is taking care of him because she loves him. moo It must be loads of work and I do think she is giving him loads of love. Again............this is just moo

Haleigh were are you baby? I hope you are safe.

[Peaches]

Are we to disbelieve the woman caring for the child full time? Why should we give Ron the benefit of the doubt in regard to whether he is the father but at the same time not offer the same respect to the grandma who would know these things?


Just MOO, she believes her granddaughter when she told her who the baby's father was. As simple as that.

[Texas48]

I do too. I find it, um, interesting, that some posters won't accept that Ron's the father without DNA proof. How many of those posters have children and they label someone their child's father and expect to be believed without providing DNA proof.I think I have read that many many posters believe Ron could POSSIBLY be the father...but it would be fact if DNA test was done..I also believe that all here is in an entirely different situation with our children and our children's fathers than some in that area ofthis mess...Would you not agree?

[Mimi428]

I read somewhere that Jordon has micro-encephalopathy. I'm not sure if it's true or not but wanted to add what I know about it for information sake. It's a result of alcohol abuse to the fetus.



<snipped>

I can be the result of maternal alcohol abuse, but that is not the only possible cause for microencephaly - there are a lot of causes. A couple of them are because of chromosomal abnormalities.

Knowing what we know of Amber's arrests, it is pretty easy to assume that if her child has microencephaly, it may very well be caused by alcohol abuse. But looking at it from a genetic/medical point of view only, I would find it very interesting to know if two children of Ron's had chromosomal disorders. I can't know the cause of any microencephaly Jordan MAY have, but it does pique my interest as to whether or not it was ever medically determined how that was caused. (and now I am wondering if there are others in Ron's family who have had chromosomal disorders of any kind)

JMO

[HouseOfClark]

Google his name..

Why thank you but a couple of nice posters already filled me in on who he is.

Maybe you didn't go back and read all the posts?

[sleuth]

Thanks for the link, Scampi, it was a gret show, wasn't it?

Motomom, he said the baby has micro encephaly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephaly
Microcephaly may be congenital or it may develop in the first few years of life. The disorder may stem from a wide variety of conditions that cause abnormal growth of the brain, or from syndromes associated with chromosomal abnormalities. Two copies of a loss-of-function mutation in one of the microcephalin genes causes primary microcephaly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome
Turner syndrome or Ullrich-Turner syndrome (also known as "Gonadal dysgenesis"[1]:550) encompasses several conditions, of which monosomy X (deletion of an entire X chromosome) is most common. It is a chromosomal disorder in which all or part of one of the sex chromosomes is absent (unaffected humans have 46 chromosomes, of which 2 are sex chromosomes). In females, the sex chromosomes are two X chromosomes, but in Turner syndrome, one of those X chromosomes is missing. Sometimes only a part of the X chromosome is missing, which causes a mosaic form.[2] Since this syndrome only affects the second X chromosome and males instead have a Y chromosome, Turner syndrome is only present in females.
And then there is Jr who has a congenital heart condition. Chromosome damage, makes me wonder about parents and drug use.

[Texas48]

Texas48.....I like your posts.....You tell it like it is......lol..just too damn old to be wasting my breath,,kwim

[Owlface]

ggm said he doesn't support his child. i do NOT know if that is true or not. I do find it odd Amber has not went to court to get child support. and YES i THINK he's the father but Scampi said it's been CONFIRMED and well it just hasn't....Has it?

Perhaps we are just arguing semantics but the vast majority of children have never had their bio-dad CONFIRMED but nobody goes around saying that's not really your dad because it hasn't been CONFIRMED.

I'm thinking the issue here is not so much who is the biodad of Jordan but all this asking for CONFIRMATION is more about bashing art harris and company.

[Texas48]

hey friend:laugh:let's have a good littlelaugh together, clear out the cobwebs
cobwebs..oh yea..very familiar w/them..and not in just the brain..lol..good friend

[bama__angel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephaly
Microcephaly may be congenital or it may develop in the first few years of life. The disorder may stem from a wide variety of conditions that cause abnormal growth of the brain, or from syndromes associated with chromosomal abnormalities. Two copies of a loss-of-function mutation in one of the microcephalin genes causes primary microcephaly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome
Turner syndrome or Ullrich-Turner syndrome (also known as "Gonadal dysgenesis"[1]:550) encompasses several conditions, of which monosomy X (deletion of an entire X chromosome) is most common. It is a chromosomal disorder in which all or part of one of the sex chromosomes is absent (unaffected humans have 46 chromosomes, of which 2 are sex chromosomes). In females, the sex chromosomes are two X chromosomes, but in Turner syndrome, one of those X chromosomes is missing. Sometimes only a part of the X chromosome is missing, which causes a mosaic form.[2] Since this syndrome only affects the second X chromosome and males instead have a Y chromosome, Turner syndrome is only present in females.
And then there is Jr who has a congenital heart condition. Chromosome damage, makes me wonder about parents and drug use.



BINGO.......Chromosome damage and drug use.......

[HouseOfClark]

Perhaps we are just arguing semantics but the vast majority of children have never had their bio-dad CONFIRMED but nobody goes around saying that's not really your dad because it hasn't been CONFIRMED.

I'm thinking the issue here is not so much who is the biodad of Jordan but all this asking for CONFIRMATION is more about bashing art harris and company.

(Bolding by me)

I agree with that!

[Texas48]

My guess would be that she does not trust Ron but that she fears Ron.

Based on information she shared with with Art Harris, and the facts that she not only called 911 when Ron was spotted in the parking lot of her residence, but that she went so far as to march on down to the police station the next day and make darn sure that an incident report was filed, I'd say this is a woman on a mission to protect an innocent baby.

( sorry for the convoluted and long sentence above)

my opinion.if she was so afraid of him..why did she allow him to take the baby on a weekend when the baby was younger? I am not understanding scared but here is the baby..kwim? Boggles my mind.

[CANDYKISSES]

Just MOO, she believes her granddaughter when she told her who the baby's father was. As simple as that.

Pretty much, just like she believed what the person was telling her to say to the 911 dispatcher. JMO. :sad:

So how could Cobra be trying to tie NayNay and Amber into Haleigh's disappearance? Any ideas?:unsure: jmo

[HouseOfClark]

can never be a good combination, under any circumstances

If Ron IS carrying a gene that causes chromosone damage, wonder if he even knew he had it before Haleigh was born?

He wouldn't know without expensive genetic testing, would he?

And if he is carrying that type of gene, and he was or is now aware of it, wouldn't it behoove him to have a vasectomy?

[Texas48]

Are we to disbelieve the woman caring for the child full time? Why should we give Ron the benefit of the doubt in regard to whether he is the father but at the same time not offer the same respect to the grandma who would in fact know if Ron is contributing support to this child via her?Should not all be given the benefit of doubt untill proven to be fact?

[Mimi428]

The contributing factors could co-exist but they would not both be responsible for the result. One or the other most likely. I am leaning towards chromosomal abnormality myself since Haleigh also had one. These things are not every day occurances in one family, and the odds of two children by the same father indicates genetics.

I don't know which way to lean regarding it. I have no idea what (if any) prenatal care Amber had. She may have contracted rubella or CMV during pregnancy, she may have had toxoplasmosis - all of which are not completely uncommon but surely do have devastating effects on the developing fetus.

Ultimately, I hope her baby has very good medical care & that a good deal of effort was put into trying to determine the cause - because if it was, in fact, caused by a chromosomal abnormality, both parents should know. If Ron is not interested in being part of the child's life, he may also be unwilling to have any genetic testing done.

ITA that having 1 child with a condition definitely caused by a chromosomal disorder - & then having a 2nd child with a malady potentially caused by a chromosomal disorder is something to be very concerned about.

JMO

[Texas48]

ggm said he doesn't support his child. i do NOT know if that is true or not. I do find it odd Amber has not went to court to get child support. and YES i THINK he's the father but Scampi said it's been CONFIRMED and well it just hasn't....Has it?No FA..it has not been proven and if you can watch JVM again (from last night) the entire Jane was saying they had NO comfirmation as of yet that Ron IS the father..AH was shaking his head in a yes manner as to saying..thats right..Just my interpetation of that interview..

[HouseOfClark]

if she was so afraid of him..why did she allow him to take the baby on a weekend when the baby was younger? I am not understanding scared but here is the baby..kwim? Boggles my mind.

I'm not interpreting that as him taking him for a weekend visit. As I recall, he asked for his child but brought him back the next day with all of his clothes.

[Scampi]

I'm not interpreting that as him taking him for a weekend visit. As I recall, he asked for his child but brought him back the next day with all of his clothes.

That's what I thought too, an overnight visit.

[HouseOfClark]

That's what I thought too, an overnight visit.

Actually I didn't think it was a visit at all. I thought he was just taking him for good but for whatever reason, he brought him back the next day with all of his clothes.

Just my opinion though.

[Texas48]

What troubles me is when strangers to the people in question take a definitive stand on something that's not only none of their business but something that they couldn't possibly know.

As I said, I don't see Ron denying paternity so why are you questioning it?

It's ludicrous, imo.Strangers to the people in question take a stand thats none of their business and could not possibly know...that pretty much what you posted...what does this mean and ref. to?

[Texas48]

You mean like this post?? You never know when a differing opinion just might hit the nail on the head. kwim??
jmohmmmmm...That post you were replying to has me confused...Will take me a while to figure that one out..oh well..nothing new.kwim?

[Texas48]

I got lucky last night, LOL:blushing:
Too much info friend..ya want me to be jelous?

[Scampi]

Actually I didn't think it was a visit at all. I thought he was just taking him for good but for whatever reason, he brought him back the next day with all of his clothes.

Just my opinion though.

You're right, thanks for straightening me out. Doing too many things at once again..... :smile:

[Texas48]

LOL, like some who think I am a bully because I have a bull DOG.

You mean your not "kinky"? :tonguewag:I wish I could remember what it was like if I ever was kinky...lol friend

[CANDYKISSES]

BINGO.......Chromosome damage and drug use.......

Respectfully submitted for your consideration.

While wiki is helpful, it's not necessarily a medical resource, rather a gathering of input from any and everyone who wishes to contribute IMO. I'm not saying you won't get some of the same or close to it at wiki, but again it's built by the public.


Wikipedia - User-contributed online encyclopedia intended for people whose first language is not English.
simple.wikipedia.org/

Here is something interesting from THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH, a medical resource.

It is most often caused by genetic abnormalities that interfere with the growth of the cerebral cortex during the early months of fetal development. It is associated with Down’s syndrome, chromosomal syndromes, and neurometabolic syndromes. Babies may also be born with microcephaly if, during pregnancy, their mother abused drugs or alcohol, became infected with a cytomegalovirus, rubella (German measles), or varicella (chicken pox) virus, was exposed to certain toxic chemicals, or had untreated phenylketonuria (PKU).

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/microcephaly/microcephaly.htm


I do wonder IF there is anything comparable with Turners Syndrome if this child is proven to be Ron and Amber's. JMO

[Owlface]

True.
Most parentage is never questioned.

It's these type cases where they are and should be in order for the children at risk to get their legal needs met.

IMO, Jordan's parentage needs to be confirmed if for no other reason than his medical needs. His Dr.'s need to know what is hereditary and what may be drug/alcohol induced.As for Art Harris, he should be required to show proof of his allegations before being allowed on national TV to spout off.

Okay, I'll bite - why does Jordan's doctor need to know what is hereditary and what may be drug/alcohol induced? And how will a blood test confirming or denying Ron as father change the recommended course of action his doctor would take?

[Texas48]

Why thank you but a couple of nice posters already filled me in on who he is.

Maybe you didn't go back and read all the posts?
For your info..I posted this right after u posted...my computer is not wanting to play today..good enough?

[bama__angel]

can never be a good combination, under any circumstances

If Ron IS carrying a gene that causes chromosone damage, wonder if he even knew he had it before Haleigh was born?



Only if genetic testing had been done on his side of family....Otherwise I doubt if he knew or if it would have even mattered...IMO

[Texas48]

I thought she did that when the baby was a lot younger than he is now. Anyone??My brain says the baby was 4 mo.old.....but that just my brain so don't take that to the bank..

[Peaches]

I wish I could remember what it was like if I ever was kinky...lol friend


If he is white and sits on ice during the football games, your dog could be UGA.

Go DAWGS!

Sorry Texas48.............this was meant for bully jo who said that she has a bull dog.

[Texas48]

Really. Still waiting for an answer.You may be waiting awhile bully.

[Texas48]

Your smartass response is duly noted, as always Texas48. :thumbdown:
The truth hurts..huh?

[bama__angel]

I'm not getting into the chromo thingy, but drug use by whom?? Let me think about that one.
jmo



IMO.....Drug and alcohol use by mom......

[HouseOfClark]

For your info..I posted this right after u posted...my computer is not wanting to play today..good enough?

I think your computer is working just fine.

[Texas48]

You mean, gasp, paying NON court ordered child support?

I guess he could have been!It would be a shock to me as well...but...there is always a possibility..one way or the other..

[HouseOfClark]

IMO.....Drug and alcohol use by mom......

Why not dad? If two children by two different mothers have chromosomal abnormalities, why wouldn't a common father figure into your equation?

[?noanswer]

The only thing I have seen Cobra do is strut around with ..his..big gun. woooo....lol


He also has 3 scanners, which apparently malfunctioned and put out errorneous information regarding little JR trying to help abduct Amber's child!! JMO

[Peaches]

He also has 3 scanners, which apparently malfunctioned and put out errorneous information regarding little JR trying to help abduct Amber's child!! JMO



And why did he have to show his gun and how it worked............and say that Ron was afraid of that gun.

WELL...........I am afraid of that gun and would not want to be anywhere near Cobra. To me he is just a loud mouth with little information and not a vast vocabulary.............thus, those potty words in every sentence.

JMOO

[Texas48]

I think your computer is working just fine.
Excuse me Clark...? You have no idea what my computer is doing..if you think I would take the time to reply to your post with a lie...then so be it..Think what you want..matters not to me.