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Mimi428

04-23-2009, 03:18 PM

Should we just not talk about this case at all? I've never heard Ron confirm anything ...i did hear him say it was POSSIBLE....

Heck at this point with Misty sleeping around i would have to wonder who the father is.

Dang! That's a new one on me. I don't ever recall another case where the sexual partners of a subsequent GF had any bearing on the paternity of the child of a former GF.

I'd be careful if I were you. With all the attention around here trying to weed out those lyin' wimmin, & most especially them bad wimmin who go around lyin' about the menfolks, you might end up with a bad reputation. KWIM?

JMO

JD1974

04-23-2009, 03:20 PM

What about this scenario?

Amber and family did not pursue paternity and child support because they do not want Ronald Cummings in the life of this baby or in any of their lives, anymore?

Many, many people do not look at children as cash cows or pawns in a game. Many, many people do their best, with what they are given, to fight for the well-being and safety of those they love.

my opinion

I have a serious question...to be blunt can you imagine what would happen if it is "common knowledge" that Ron is the father of Amber's baby, they get DNA testing done and find out he isn't? In a small area like that...Amber would never live it down. Could be why, could be she isn't positive...or it even could be that DNA testing is backlogged so badly that they just haven't gotten around to R & A's case yet?

Mimi428

04-23-2009, 03:21 PM

I would think for genetic counselling for Jordan in the future, should he wish to have children.

I seriously & sincerely doubt that will ever be an issue.

JMO

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Aren't you the one who highlighted " all his clothes"?

I'm sorry, did I confuse you when I might have left out the word "of"?

All his clothes

All of his clothes

There.

I still don't know if Ron intended on keeping the baby for more than one night or if the clothes returned along with the baby the next day included every stitch of clothing the child owned or what would have been packed for him the previous day.

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Art didn't say that, first of all.

He said that that whoever has custody of Jordon could collect SSD for him to the tune of about $500.

HARRIS: Well, that`s a great question, Jane. The grandmother is getting about $500 a month in SSI for raising this disabled child. At the same time, some people think that Ron could use a little image makeover and perhaps another child in his care, especially a disabled child would show a real caring father.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/ijvm.01.html

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 03:40 PM

Dang! That's a new one on me. I don't ever recall another case where the sexual partners of a subsequent GF had any bearing on the paternity of the child of a former GF.

I'd be careful if I were you. With all the attention around here trying to weed out those lyin' wimmin, & most especially them bad wimmin who go around lyin' about the menfolks, you might end up with a bad reputation. KWIM?

JMO

:confused: Why would Angel need to be careful? All these kwim's but I certainly can tell you I don't know what you mean, so hopefully an explanation will clear it up.

Given that the allegations came from the same interview, I don't find it odd at all.

First of all, with the description of the partying nights provided by both Greg and NayNay concerning their circle of friends that is enough to warrant concern IMO. They all ought to be concerned about more than just pregnancy and who the biological father's are in this group IMO. Disease might be a fear to consider as well.

Let's get real, chances are A WOMAN will know who the BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF HER CHILD is (in this time of single women making choices about pregnancy) before he will if she is active with more than one man during the ESTIMATED TIME OF CONCEPTION IMO. A woman can tell a man she is using birth control and she may be or she may not be depending on what her desires are from my POV.

Just how do you expect to hold a man accountable for what a woman chooses to do if she is sexually active with other partners? As long as women are the only gender carrying babies and able to have a CHOICE, the truth can very possibly be in their hands IMO.

Also, I keep seeing references to when Amber and Ron lived together. Does anyone have a link to them living together and where they were living together?

AGAIN, how about going back to looking for Haleigh.....:smile:

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 03:45 PM

Seeker could you provide a link to where you found this information?
"Based on her own account, she believed this child to be Ron's. Based upon her account, Ron and Amber, who was pregnant and living with Ron, came to visit her on different occasions, bringing Haleigh and Little Ron along. They were a couple expecting a child."
I have not read anywhere about these two relationship. This is all new to me. TIA

I have never seen the story about them living together either. I'd like to see that as well. JMO:smile:

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 03:59 PM

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 04:04 PM

I dunno. I was at work. :tonguewag:

Hmmmm, that sounds familiar

I don't know, I was at work.

To which you replied:

Talk about a smarta$$ answer, as you so politely pointed out earlier, to this question:
Originally Posted by Texas48
Strangers to the people in question take a stand thats none of their business and could not possibly know...that pretty much what you posted...what does this mean and ref. to?

Now, notice how I copied and pasted the quotes?

You learn something new every day!

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 04:04 PM

Why not? Microcephaly does not cause sterility.

http://jmg.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/27/2/127

Thank you lizzie, I was hoping someone might address that with all the misinformation flying around again.

From what I read, it can be from slight to severe with regard to the symptoms/effects IIRC. :smile: I think it was compared to Down's Syndrome and I've seen some of those special needs adults deciding to get married and have children IMO.

FrankieBones1

04-23-2009, 04:10 PM

Did he apologize to Ron for making everyone believe that he was trying to kidnap this child?

To be honest with you and all, I never did believe that story to begin with. It never did make any sense. I keep falling back on a wise saying by the Honorable Judge Judy: If it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true.

I think that perhaps AH was looking for ratings; not sure. I'm glad he retracted the statement just the same.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 04:13 PM

Nope, but you already knew that, right? But sometimes I do.:ohmy:Someone around here will always answer you bully..may not be the answer you want but...it is what it is...lol..at least we have fun...

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:15 PM

LOL he needs a "little image makeover" and they want to give him a disabled child?

Maybe he should start on a smaller scale, like maybe a new shirt, or some new shoes, something along those lines, maybe his own place first before he brings any more people into his life

I had to laugh at this post X.. New shoes first.. I agree LOL.

I really don't know what the big deal is about Ron driving through the parking lot of the complex, IF that is what he did. He is allowed to do that and I can't see how that turned into he may want to get the child. I don't see the connection (just jumping off of your post X, not necessarily something you said :) ) All we have about Ron right now is rumors, and what naynay and amber said.. not sure if that was before or after they were arrested for cocaine possession.

I don't even know where I was going with this post LOL.. I guess I don't think Ron was trying to get this child, he's has plenty of time to do so if he desired it.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:19 PM

OK. So. I tried to get through today's thread but there isn't any information. i am so tired today and I saw the post about "white boy greg" and I thought, hey wait a minute, I thought he was black (lmao)
Then I was thinking, WTH, who is the white boy Greg, is he another Greg I don't know about? (and how could THAT be)

Sadly, Haleigh must be dead rotting in the woods like Caylee was. It's truly what I think. Like Ron Said when TES left "but she's still out there"
Yeah, how'd he know that? Makes ya wonder doesn't it?
KWIM?

My bold.. No, doesn't make me wonder at all. His little girl is gone and she is "out there".. whether dead or alive, we just don't know. He wanted TES to continue searching and I'll never understand why they left. I really thought it was do to LE not believing she was in the area.

Peaches

04-23-2009, 04:20 PM

She was asking them questions and laughing in the background. Could you not hear her ask Crystal what the car looked like and what kind of car it was?

Before anyone jumps on FA...........she meant to say Nay Nay and Amber.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:21 PM

Ok. Then why let him have the baby??

There is no logic to any of this IMO. If I fear someone, for whatever reason, I'm surely NOT going to let them take my child, especially a baby kwim?? I don't want to think that this woman was WEAK...weak enough to give her grandchild to a punk that she feared.. JMO

ETA.. changed man to punk, because I do find Ron a bit punkish :)

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:25 PM

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/22/exclusive-bolo-for-haleigh-cummings-dad/#more-1694

I don't know if he allows quotes from his articles. I was basing my remarks and opinions on this article. The reason I believe what she has said is because I see no reason for her to lie. Should there come a day that it is shown that she has lied than I'll adjust my thoughts accordingly.

I feel fairly confident, despite the fact that Art Harris has made mistakes, that he would not be writing about these happenings without the GGM's permission. I also think that he would not knowingly put false information out there, knowing that inquiring minds will research information to substantiate his articles.

In this very story he corrects the information regarding Little Ron going up to the door of the great-grandmother. Knowing that he is willing to admit that he was mistaken, I feel a greater confidence that I am reading from a reputable source.

my opinions

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Does AH pay for any of these "interviews".. ?

Mimi428

04-23-2009, 04:29 PM

IMO Art is quick to correct things because he doesn't want to get sued for lying again.

I don't think GGM's lying i think she's just going by whatever her grand daughter tells her. And i don't trust anything her grand daughter says. Do you?

Where did you get the information that it was her granddaughter who told her?

I thought she said it was her daughter who told her that she (the daughter) saw Ronald in the parking lot.

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 04:29 PM

You don't know it was at the house either, unless your wisdom has reached psychic proportions.

That could've been other 911 operators in the background.

You think Grandma was asking the other 911 operators questions about the Altima? :laugh: Not so much IMO.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:30 PM

ITA so many people around here have said such horrible things about Ron :(

I'm not saying he's a great father but i'll wait for FACTs before i start slamming him.

He hasn't been arrested since 2005 so it makes me think he's trying to change.

FA this is exactly how I feel. It's funny how some people see the good in Ron and others see the good in Crystal... so far, not many see the "good" in Misty LOL.. I mean, I give her the benefit of doubt at this point, because of her age though.. her brain isn't fully developed yet I don't think :sneaky: I think Ron was trying to do right by his kids and if I'm wrong..well then it will be a first.. LOL.. but really if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I much rather my opinion then the alternative kwim? I also don't think he was a great father, but he was all they had I guess.

5boxersmom

04-23-2009, 04:30 PM

It was a typo..i went back and fixed it when my dear friend Peaches pointed it out.

no ma'am i was not there. but i could hear someone at the house laughing and she did ask the two girls about the car.

Well these are the same two girls who said Amber was being chased by a man with a machete. Why didn't she call 911 then? I think they are enjoying the attention.

I just want Haleigh found.

imo

Mimi428

04-23-2009, 04:33 PM

She was asking them questions and laughing in the background. Could you not hear her ask Amber what the car looked like and what kind of car it was?

Are you positive it was Amber she was asking? Maybe she was asking her daughter, the one who saw the car & Ron, etc?

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 04:36 PM

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:39 PM

Are you positive it was Amber she was asking? Maybe she was asking her daughter, the one who saw the car & Ron, etc?

Why didn't the daughter call then? It's all odd IMO. And again, he has every right to drive through the parking lot. I think someone got a kick out of getting GGM upset about it to be honest.

sleuth

04-23-2009, 04:41 PM

They would owe whoever bailed them out.

But if Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, what could Amber or the other girl say that would bother him?

What can they say that they haven't already said?

I think the attorney is making a bigger deal out of it than it is. He can't complain about any bond company providing services that I believe his own client has used in the past.

But if Ron had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, what could Amber or the other girl say that would bother him? "IF" being the operative word

FrankieBones1

04-23-2009, 04:42 PM

Peaches

04-23-2009, 04:42 PM

When people make mistakes it defies logic that the mistake was made intentionally.

Though this post wasn't addressed to me, I think you hit the nail on the head with your question. No one is perfect, here on the message board and out there in the world.

my thoughts

Seeker, you are correct about no one being perfect ------------not on this board ------------- and not in real life--------------but, that has not stopped personal attacks on posters. Such a shame as we really do not know one another.

It is sad when I believe that everyone just wants Haleigh found and those responsible for her disappearance held accountable.

It is all the rumors/not facts that has poster attacking other posters.

as alway jmoo

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:43 PM

You might want to re-check that date.

What was the date? 2006 I think.. we are in what 2009 now? 3 yrs with no arrests and I think if there was an arrest in 2006 I don't think it had to do with drugs though..

Funny thing is I can tell you I have never been arrested and OMG I would be humiliated if I ever was. So someone who had a few arrests.. and then none for at least 3 yrs isn't so bad in their world.. I don't think :huh: Hope that makes sense.

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Thank you. I did and he was arrested
JULY 29, 2006

TRESPASSING AFTER WARNING – GUILTY – GIVEN PROBATION AND A FINE

but NO drug arrest since Sept 2005 and they were all dropped.

Can you remind me when he got custody of the children? TIA

You didn't say drug arrests.

You might remember the Affray charge that was much later than 2006?

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:48 PM

Out of curiosity, how old is GGM? Is she the one who is Jordan's legal guardian?

I have no idea how old she is. I believe she is the legal guardian though, not sure if the state took the child from Amber, or if Amber gave the child up. None of it matters to me Frankie to be honest, just all that there is to discuss today and yesterday I guess. Something that did have me thinking though and I may be way off.. when a man wants to adopt another mans child, the woman has to put something in the paper.. some sort of notification I believe.. giving 30 days for the real father to step fwd.. Does that sound like something anyone has heard of before. I know I have, but that's the extent of what I heard.. Anyways, not sure how that would work with giving custody to another family member..

one thing is for sure.. my life surely is very functional when I read and hear about all of these other lives.

Peaches

04-23-2009, 04:49 PM

Thank you. I did and he was arrested
JULY 29, 2006

TRESPASSING AFTER WARNING – GUILTY – GIVEN PROBATION AND A FINE

but NO drug arrest since Sept 2005 and they were all dropped.

Can you remind me when he got custody of the children? TIA

When Ron, Jr. was about 6 months old ...............so no drug arrest after he got those babies................or so it seems.

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 04:49 PM

Did she fear Ron when she gave her great grandson to him?

Things change, and she might not have a choice. Friom what I read, she appeared to be surprised RC brought the boy back.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 04:52 PM

I just can't figure it out....very tragic.

It is. I think it has to do with if they unfortunately come apon the remains. It would be a horrid memory I'm sure.. plus it adds suspicion I think. Imgaine God forbid if Ron or Crystal went out searching in the woods and found her? I wish we would hear of searches though, the woods were soo think there.

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 04:52 PM

Mary Brooks is 63.

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 04:53 PM

What was the date? 2006 I think.. we are in what 2009 now? 3 yrs with no arrests and I think if there was an arrest in 2006 I don't think it had to do with drugs though..

Funny thing is I can tell you I have never been arrested and OMG I would be humiliated if I ever was. So someone who had a few arrests.. and then none for at least 3 yrs isn't so bad in their world.. I don't think :huh: Hope that makes sense.

I don't like to hear where any parent of a small child has been arrested. It certainly can be embarrassing for their children, as well as devastating if there are things like prison visitations. Just my opinion though.

And yes there was an arrest of Ron after 2006.

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 04:53 PM

Mimi428

04-23-2009, 04:54 PM

Why didn't the daughter call then? It's all odd IMO. And again, he has every right to drive through the parking lot. I think someone got a kick out of getting GGM upset about it to be honest.

Are you serious? Why are you even asking me (or anyone on this message board) a question like that?

I do not know why Jordan's great-grandmother called. I do not know why the daughter who told her about Ron & Misty & the car did not call. Perhaps the daughter was not as concerned about it. Perhaps the great grandmother was closer to the phone. WTF difference could it possibly make?

I am beginning to think there is some contagious disease that is infecting a few folks around here. First they post the equivalent of "you can't say that, that hasn't been confirmed, you have no proof" - then in the next post they ask questions that could ONLY be given answers that are speculative. WTH is up with that? If y'all only want to discuss what has been confirmed, why repeatedly & consistently ask questions that you already KNOW there are no scientifically proven answers for?

(comments & questions not specifically nor solely directed at you, just added on to this post because your question is a good example of asking questions for which you KNOW there can be no one answer, but many potential answers)

JMO

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 04:54 PM

Mimi428

04-23-2009, 05:00 PM

When Ron, Jr. was about 6 months old ...............so no drug arrest after he got those babies................or so it seems.

Yeah, thank goodness he was only arrested for affray. I know I have no concerns nor fears for any child who has parent arrested for fighting in public place.

(that's sarcasm)

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 05:02 PM

Regarding AH and the bounty hunter...what matters is that they put the information out there without checking the facts. The bounty hunter of course is under no obligation but as a journalist Ah has a professional obligation to make sure what he is putting out there is not just rumors. He didn't do that.
Posters here stating opinions is just that...their own opinions. They don't have a professional obligation to anyone.

I've only been reading AH for a couple of weeks, but generally consider that it might be true.

I've been reading our local newspaper for 40 years, and generally consider it might be true.

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 05:07 PM

I was going through the links yesterday and something caught my attention.

I re-read the report about the dogs (again, I presume these were bloodhounds) picking up a scent and where they tracked it. I tried googling a map of the area to see where these streets led. Well, they are either tiny streets too small to be on google or I didn't get the right area because I couldn't find those streets, however, I did notice that the track ended at some train tracks near I-17.

So after a while of digging I moved on to Adji Desir and googled the area where he disappeared. It caught my eye that there are train tracks going through his area too. So I followed the tracks (on google maps) up to Satsuma and they DO connect. So I wonder, is it possible that there is an unknown serial offender?

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 05:08 PM

I don't know, I was at work.

I wasn't. I was at the ballgame.:rolleyes:

Motomom

04-23-2009, 05:08 PM

I don't like to hear where any parent of a small child has been arrested. It certainly can be embarrassing for their children, as well as devastating if there are things like prison visitations. Just my opinion though.

And yes there was an arrest of Ron after 2006.

Oh I agree with you there house. I do.. We had a very serious situation with my niece and nephew this weekend. Cops thought they were dead. I won't tell the story here as it is O/T but very disturbing and my nephew now wants nothing to do with his father.. not in the least and I don't blame him. It is very embarrassing and humiliating for them.

sleuth

04-23-2009, 05:10 PM

ITA so many people around here have said such horrible things about Ron :(

I'm not saying he's a great father but i'll wait for FACTs before i start slamming him.

He hasn't been arrested since 2005 so it makes me think he's trying to change.
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http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930
Here's a 2006 for you. There are more you just have to dig. One in Sarasoda and most puzzling one by the Fl.St.Pt. acussing him of drug poss. Which mysteriously was never tried. Or should I say I can't find. I have researched this case tenasiously. I'm not taking sides with Ron, Crystal or Misty. I take the side of the children involved.

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 05:12 PM

I think you're right Motomom. I also think that if Haleigh were found by anyone other than LE, there could be crime scene evidence contaminated. JMO

This is, of course, thinking the worst. I'd prefer to pray for a much happier outcome.

You are absolutely right! Look at Roy Kronk. The Anthony's defense team is trying to point the finger at him now.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 05:13 PM

Are you serious? Why are you even asking me (or anyone on this message board) a question like that?

I do not know why Jordan's great-grandmother called. I do not know why the daughter who told her about Ron & Misty & the car did not call. Perhaps the daughter was not as concerned about it. Perhaps the great grandmother was closer to the phone. WTF difference could it possibly make?

I am beginning to think there is some contagious disease that is infecting a few folks around here. First they post the equivalent of "you can't say that, that hasn't been confirmed, you have no proof" - then in the next post they ask questions that could ONLY be given answers that are speculative. WTH is up with that? If y'all only want to discuss what has been confirmed, why repeatedly & consistently ask questions that you already KNOW there are no scientifically proven answers for?

(comments & questions not specifically nor solely directed at you, just added on to this post because your question is a good example of asking questions for which you KNOW there can be no one answer, but many potential answers)

JMO

You know why MIMI.. because it is all a part of DISCUSSION.. That is what this board is about. If you don't know the answer and don't want to speculate, skip the post :confused: Can't understand where the hostility came from..but whatever.. Carry on :)

CANDYKISSES

04-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Why didn't the daughter call then? It's all odd IMO. And again, he has every right to drive through the parking lot. I think someone got a kick out of getting GGM upset about it to be honest.

:punch:

I don't think it's okay for you to ask a question like that unless it pertains to Misty and Ron and their call. JMO with a wink and a nod. :sneaky:

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Who is Mary Brooks and how many pages back on this thread is she mentioned? My head hurts too much to scroll through all of it and I am curious who she is. Thank you in advance for anyone willing to tell me or at least give me an idea of how many pages to go back.

BTW, Gayle St. John is on her way to Satsuma to help with the search for Haleigh. I posted the link on the Links thread.

At this point, desperate times call for desperate measures and whether or not I believed in psychics I would probably turn to one to find my child.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 05:18 PM

If you want to blame the GGM for calling, since she is the caretaker of the baby, maybe we ought to blame Ron for having Misty call 911, when HE was the caretaker of his daughter, Haleigh. I found it to be extremely odd that Misty called 911 about Haleigh, since the 911 call wasn't made until Ron was home, and he could have placed the call.

The great-grandmother stated that it was her daughter who saw the car. The 911 operator could then have asked to speak with the daughter, but she didn't. It seems that she took the woman on her word, knowing that the responding officer would follow up when they arrived at the residence. With Misty's call, the 911 operator did ask to speak with Ron, who chose to hang up on her twice.

If we must judge, let's judge fairly.

my opinion.

I'm not judging anybody. I can answer why I THINK Ron didn't call 911. The call about Ron driving through the parking lot is odd to me. It is nothing against the GGM as I found HER to be genuine.. it is ODD to me where it came from, the daughter. That's all.

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 05:18 PM

I have no idea. She just said "all of his clothes".

That could also mean all of the clothes he took with him.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 05:20 PM

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 05:24 PM

Interesting FF.. I wondered if there was a connection between the two early on and was told the two areas were fairly far apart.. Never thought about the traintracks funning that far.

There was an elderly man stabbed to death 7 blocks from my house a few years ago by a man with major mental issues who used the train (which runs adjacent to the street at the end of our block and next to this man's home) as his mode of transportation. He did not know the man and had no connection to him.

I will try to find the link to it. I don't remember the year that it happened and I THINK it was a year or two before we moved into our current home. We used to live right next to those train tracks in a condo when this happened which is how I remember it.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:26 PM

I don't like to hear where any parent of a small child has been arrested. It certainly can be embarrassing for their children, as well as devastating if there are things like prison visitations. Just my opinion though.

And yes there was an arrest of Ron after 2006.
ITA..it is the children that seem to suffer for the things their parents do..My granny always said..childen are the product of their parents...good..bad..and other wise.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:28 PM

:thumbsup: Excellent post! Both parents have unsavory backgrounds. They were kids themselves when they had kids.Babies having babies..Then the GMs and GGMs start again raising children..Never ends for them.

forensicfan

04-23-2009, 05:29 PM

Babies having babies..Then the GMs and GGMs start again raising children..Never ends for them.

ITA Tex! It's a repetitive cycle in some families.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:31 PM

Are you serious? Why are you even asking me (or anyone on this message board) a question like that?

I do not know why Jordan's great-grandmother called. I do not know why the daughter who told her about Ron & Misty & the car did not call. Perhaps the daughter was not as concerned about it. Perhaps the great grandmother was closer to the phone. WTF difference could it possibly make?

I am beginning to think there is some contagious disease that is infecting a few folks around here. First they post the equivalent of "you can't say that, that hasn't been confirmed, you have no proof" - then in the next post they ask questions that could ONLY be given answers that are speculative. WTH is up with that? If y'all only want to discuss what has been confirmed, why repeatedly & consistently ask questions that you already KNOW there are no scientifically proven answers for?

(comments & questions not specifically nor solely directed at you, just added on to this post because your question is a good example of asking questions for which you KNOW there can be no one answer, but many potential answers)

JMOCalled discussion among posters maybe? My goodness..if you get upset with that post why not try and just skip right on by..no one is forced to reply..I don't get it..not at all.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:33 PM

and please don't say she has an arrest record ..............
I've given up on every single adult in this case :(lol FA ..OK I'm too nosy..does she have an arrest record? lol

FrankieBones1

04-23-2009, 05:38 PM

Not sure so don't quote me on it but I think that Mary Brooks is Amber's grandmother (and great grandmother of Jordan who may or may not be the son of Ronald Cummings).

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 05:39 PM

Lucky you! Who won?

Cardinals!

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:39 PM

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:43 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=733879&IMG=49930
Here's a 2006 for you. There are more you just have to dig. One in Sarasoda and most puzzling one by the Fl.St.Pt. acussing him of drug poss. Which mysteriously was never tried. Or should I say I can't find. I have researched this case tenasiously. I'm not taking sides with Ron, Crystal or Misty. I take the side of the children involved.
Interesting..a trespass charge. TY for the link and research sleuth..

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:47 PM

drug poss after 2006?

wow this is the first i heard about that.

Thank you

Honestly i think ALL these children need to go into foster homes.
I'm missing something FA..This link shows trespass charges..where is the drug charge?

FrankieBones1

04-23-2009, 05:49 PM

Hi, Sleuth. I am the same way. I don't cheer for any side. My interest is in the welfare of the children involved and where Haleigh is. No case on earth is worth losing friends over.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:52 PM

Not sure so don't quote me on it but I think that Mary Brooks is Amber's grandmother (and great grandmother of Jordan who may or may not be the son of Ronald Cummings).and what is Amber's mothers name? Just if you know ot off top of your head..Thanks kiddo.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:54 PM

Hi, Sleuth. I am the same way. I don't cheer for any side. My interest is in the welfare of the children involved and where Haleigh is. No case on earth is worth losing friends over.Such a great post frankie..a post worth thinking about..imo.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 05:55 PM

OMG YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSss
i'm so sorry
gesh
Darn sinuses have me in a fog.I can't find an excuse for my errors...typos....slow...lol..

FrankieBones1

04-23-2009, 06:03 PM

and what is Amber's mothers name? Just if you know ot off top of your head..Thanks kiddo.

Hi, Tex. No clue. It's just so strange how all these characters get involved in a case whether directly or indirectly.

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:08 PM

FA this is exactly how I feel. It's funny how some people see the good in Ron and others see the good in Crystal... so far, not many see the "good" in Misty LOL.. I mean, I give her the benefit of doubt at this point, because of her age though.. her brain isn't fully developed yet I don't think :sneaky: I think Ron was trying to do right by his kids and if I'm wrong..well then it will be a first.. LOL.. but really if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I much rather my opinion then the alternative kwim? I also don't think he was a great father, but he was all they had I guess.I really haven't looked for *the good or bad* in these ppl...I certainly don't agree with their lifestyles and I absolutely feel so sad for these children. I do know Haleigh has seemed to vanish in thin air without a trace..there is a person responsible..Haleigh is somewhere..Back to basics. where are the great detectives we have on this board? Start over..what are we missing other than Haleigh? Think...OK..now get to work..lol my friends. Got to lighten it up..kwim? :wub:

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:13 PM

She asked the girls about what the car looked like they told her and they mumbled something and started laughing.

but you are correct i was not in the house so maybe she was talking to a ghost or something.

and why didn't she know what the car looked like? and did she actually see Ron and Misty or was it just Amber and Nay Nay that saw them?

and Tiffany,....what does this all have to do with Haleigh? I thought you no longer wanted to talk about anything that didn't have to do with finding Haleigh.

and what do you think about what Cobra saying these girls are KEY to this case?Well..if Cobra believes they are the *key* then he needs to get them to unlock the treasure chest..I wounder if these girls could have carried out taking Haleigh from the trailer that night? maybe it started out as a *stunt* and it went wrong? nah..doesn't sound right..

bama__angel

04-23-2009, 06:15 PM

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:16 PM

Well these are the same two girls who said Amber was being chased by a man with a machete. Why didn't she call 911 then? I think they are enjoying the attention.

I just want Haleigh found.

imoI can't even begin to imagine what I would do if a man chased me with a machete..but I do know this..if I got away I would make darn sure LE would get involved and that man would never see daylight again..so its hard for me to believe the story but then again..I don't know for certain. kwim?

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:18 PM

Oh I think the girls were just trying to stir up the pot, they could have called him over there, for all we know now.Ya know what X..that a new thought..maybe they did call him..

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:24 PM

Did I say that?

I said the talking and laughing in the background could've been other 911 operators.

Please enlighten me on who is lying here.

Art?
ggma?
All of the above?

To what end?

I'm well aware of your disdain for women and find it odd, to say the least that you claim to have voluteered in a shelter for battered women and children with the suspiscious, negative attitude that you seem to have for members of your own sex.

I can only hope that those that looked to you for help weren't affected by it.It finally get to the point one does even want to read these post..filled with such negativity and rudeness..:thumbdown:

Owlface

04-23-2009, 06:26 PM

I can't even begin to imagine what I would do if a man chased me with a machete..but I do know this..if I got away I would make darn sure LE would get involved and that man would never see daylight again..so its hard for me to believe the story but then again..I don't know for certain. kwim?

You would, huh? And just how would you be able to guarantee that you would make sure he never saw daylight again? The reality is, crime is really easy to get away with. What if you didn't know the person's name, what if you had never seen him before and he was wearing a mask? What if you knew his name, and went to law enforcement but without probable cause and no witnesses they weren't able to arrest the person. I could go on and on and on but the point is it is not very difficult for me to imagine circumstances where you WEREN'T able to get the person locked up forever and ever. How would you feel if 5 years later somebody told you that they don't believe you were ever chased by a machete because that person isn't in jail with the key thrown away?

5boxersmom

04-23-2009, 06:29 PM

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:31 PM

Seeker, you are correct about no one being perfect ------------not on this board ------------- and not in real life--------------but, that has not stopped personal attacks on posters. Such a shame as we really do not know one another.

It is sad when I believe that everyone just wants Haleigh found and those responsible for her disappearance held accountable.

It is all the rumors/not facts that has poster attacking other posters.

as alway jmooI don't necessary think it is the rumors and lack of info in this case that has posters attacking others..but thank goodness the majority of all here usually get along fine..have adult discussions..laugh at each other and laugh at ourselves..The majority is here because of Haleigh...

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:35 PM

What was the date? 2006 I think.. we are in what 2009 now? 3 yrs with no arrests and I think if there was an arrest in 2006 I don't think it had to do with drugs though..

Funny thing is I can tell you I have never been arrested and OMG I would be humiliated if I ever was. So someone who had a few arrests.. and then none for at least 3 yrs isn't so bad in their world.. I don't think :huh: Hope that makes sense.perfect sense mom..his arrest was for trespass. and like you never had even a speeding ticket..I would also be so humiliated if ever was arrested..hearing those jail cell doors closing..OMG..that would be the end...and my kids would most likely leave me there cause I always told them when they were growing up that if they ever got arrested and put in jail not to call me..they would just have to sit there..lol.lolThank goodness..none was ever arrested.

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 06:41 PM

That's something to think about, but how would the perpetrator know there was a child in that particular house? Also, I don't know the circumstances of the little boy's disappearance. Was he taken from his bed during the night also? I'm wondering about the distance between the two abductions too.

Good point. As I recall, Adji was playing in the yard of either his home or the neighbor with one of the neighbor kids. I don't even think it was dark outside.

And you're right. How WOULD a perp hopping from town to town on a train know in the dead of night there was a child sleeping in that house and more specifically, what bed and bedroom she was in?

Texas48

04-23-2009, 06:46 PM

You would, huh? And just how would you be able to guarantee that you would make sure he never saw daylight again? The reality is, crime is really easy to get away with. What if you didn't know the person's name, what if you had never seen him before and he was wearing a mask? What if you knew his name, and went to law enforcement but without probable cause and no witnesses they weren't able to arrest the person. I could go on and on and on but the point is it is not very difficult for me to imagine circumstances where you WEREN'T able to get the person locked up forever and ever. How would you feel if 5 years later somebody told you that they don't believe you were ever chased by a machete because that person isn't in jail with the key thrown away?Why don't you take a few minutes and go back and read the last line of my post.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 06:47 PM

There was an elderly man stabbed to death 7 blocks from my house a few years ago by a man with major mental issues who used the train (which runs adjacent to the street at the end of our block and next to this man's home) as his mode of transportation. He did not know the man and had no connection to him.

I will try to find the link to it. I don't remember the year that it happened and I THINK it was a year or two before we moved into our current home. We used to live right next to those train tracks in a condo when this happened which is how I remember it.

Ok, came back for the railroad theory. I thought early on someone snatched her and hopped the train.. Then Tes left saying something along the lines of her not being in the area or something didn't they? It's seems the most logical theory, the train, if a SO or drifter took her IMO,.

HouseOfClark

04-23-2009, 06:49 PM

How did John Couey know which room was Jessicas?

It's been a while but seems like I recall, he could see her bedroom light on and had been watching for some time.

Do you believe a man hopping trains took Haleigh?

Motomom

04-23-2009, 06:54 PM

I don't know.........This case confuses me. was the concrete block there keeping the door open so someone could go back in and get Jr? Is it true that Misty told Amber i got your man now i'm going to get your son? if thats the case i can see Amber doing something like this........

It is true that she said that, it was written under a picture of Amber and her baby from Misty.. now I keep thinking the date was 2007 when it was written or maybe posted?? I dont' remember exactly.. Probably a private myspace by now though.

I think the concrete block was there so it was an easy out for whoeveer took her. I think it was taken from whatever was in the yard. Not sure how big it was, I thought it was initially to stand on to peek in windows. I think they put the block there holding the door and then either that big back door was unlocked and they went in that way, or went in another way completely and just left that way. Or if Misty was involved, she set it up because she learned it from the cousin, or who ever it was that supposedly used them to rob places. JMO

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 06:55 PM

Well..if Cobra believes they are the *key* then he needs to get them to unlock the treasure chest..I wounder if these girls could have carried out taking Haleigh from the trailer that night? maybe it started out as a *stunt* and it went wrong? nah..doesn't sound right..

I have been thinking along these same lines. Then I think shades of Casey Anthony. What if they took Haleigh and threatened Misty. As you say doesn't sound right, but stranger things have happened. I have never seen an area where the whole population is so intertwined. I wish they could find Haleigh and put an end to the surrounding soap opera. JMO

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 06:58 PM

and what is Amber's mothers name? Just if you know ot off top of your head..Thanks kiddo.

Lisa Ann Brooks

Motomom

04-23-2009, 06:59 PM

Good point. As I recall, Adji was playing in the yard of either his home or the neighbor with one of the neighbor kids. I don't even think it was dark outside.

And you're right. How WOULD a perp hopping from town to town on a train know in the dead of night there was a child sleeping in that house and more specifically, what bed and bedroom she was in?

It could have been someone who maybe stayed in the area a few days? Maybe someone who was in the neighborhood. There were kids toys outfront so that is another way they could have known there were kids there. I personally think someone watched the house and knew the schedule or there abouts of Ron's work. Not that these sickos won't go in and grab children when a man is there, dont' get me wrong. But just the same.. those are just my thoughts. And I still go back to maybe Misty knows more than she is letting on.. maybe a lot more.. but then who has Haleigh or where did they put her? could they have had her hidden that well? Then I think to where Caylee was the whole time so it is possible.

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:00 PM

Yeah no kidding. Then they add more to their story. The first story never had the machete or the prostitute or the mexicans. :rolleyes:

I don't believe them. I wouldn't put anything past them either.

jmo

imo

Its kinda odd the mexicans are being brought onto the scene. In the beginning I remember reading something about the mexican drug connection not being connected to Haleigh's disappearance. The other day when the two drug houses were raided, it sounded like one of the houses had mexican occupants.

The story about Misty and Nay Nay waiting while one of the girls had a romp in the hay with the Mexicans doesn't make sense. Nay Nay said she & Misty stayed close to WBG. If they were really there, I think they are lucky to have escaped with their lives. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:02 PM

regarding the affra charge. If it was a fight, IIRC, that takes more than one person, right??

I think it could be one or more.. In other words maybe just starting trouble but no fight?? I don't know to be honest. I know a guy who is well known to hit the local bars and is always involved in a fight.. always .. Makes no sense to me, but I"m not a fighter so much :)

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 07:19 PM

Upthread a little... the question about Misty writing a message on Ambers MySpace...

Amber's Mom Lisa had some sort of fight with Misty Oct 6, 2008, resulting in arrest of Lisa for battery.

Misty wrote this to Amber Nov 14, 08:

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/hcmyspaceremarkfromMistytoAmber2.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/hcmyspaceremarkfromMistytoAmber.jpg

Texas48

04-23-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post (This was a response to candykisses by Tiffany)

Did I say that?

I said the talking and laughing in the background could've been other 911 operators.

Please enlighten me on who is lying here.

Art?
ggma?
All of the above?

To what end?

I'm well aware of your disdain for women and find it odd, to say the least that you claim to have voluteered in a shelter for battered women and children with the suspiscious, negative attitude that you seem to have for members of your own sex.

I can only hope that those that looked to you for help weren't affected by it.

Texas48,

I want to step in here. Tiffany uses restraint and patience, but what she has posted above hits the mark; She is not being rude or negative, in the scheme of things here. Not in my opinion.

Many of us here have noted that there are some women (or who I think are women) posting who have said that they have suffered abuse, yet seem to have no sympathy for other victims. In fact, they call other women's experiences false, and even worse.

CK has said that she has worked with abused women yet ignores all requests for her insight. Her posts defy, in my opinion, any insight and knowledge of the abused woman and the entire dynamic of domestic violence. It is true that some posters here show great disdain for women, and have ignored attempts to reason with them.

So, yes, the truth is often negative, but look at it from the point of view of the women (or anyone) who has truly suffered at the hands of someone they should be able to trust.

These are my thoughts.

seeker..I have see/heard no one here not have sympathy for Crystal..the problem..and I can only speak for myself..not for others..I have is in the beginning Crystal NEVER said one word about abuse done to her or the children..better yet she spoke very nicely of Ron..the man that loves Haleigh and is his heart. as a matter of fact most have said they still a great deal of caring/love for Ron on Crystals part. I think this is where some of it is..for several here..as for CK answering questions from posters on a message board...why? if she chooses NOT to talk about her experiences than that is her choice and should be respected. To insuinuate that a poster is telling untruths about their experiences is unfair and uncalled for..No one has to *answer* to another poster.and because some posters do not believe the abuse allegations that Crystal NOW tells does NOT in no way shape or form indicate or show disdain for women or for abused women. and IMO this certain poster is constantly baiting other posters..seeker..if you would just read over last several days of threads I think you will reconize when and where the problems begin on the board..you have your opinion and I respect that..I would never badger or hound you for an answer to one of my questions..never.

bama__angel

04-23-2009, 07:28 PM

What did he do?? Have a one man fight with himself??

Yeah...like Jim Carrey in "Liar, Liar".......He beat his own azzzzz lol.

Squidward

04-23-2009, 07:31 PM

I want to step in here. Tiffany uses restraint and patience, but what she has posted above hits the mark; She is not being rude or negative, in the scheme of things here. Not in my opinion.

Many of us here have noted that there are some women (or who I think are women) posting who have said that they have suffered abuse, yet seem to have no sympathy for other victims. In fact, they call other women's experiences false, and even worse.

CK has said that she has worked with abused women yet ignores all requests for her insight. Her posts defy, in my opinion, any insight and knowledge of the abused woman and the entire dynamic of domestic violence. It is true that some posters here show great disdain for women, and have ignored attempts to reason with them.

So, yes, the truth is often negative, but look at it from the point of view of the women (or anyone) who has truly suffered at the hands of someone they should be able to trust.

These are my thoughts.

sniped by me

:thumbup: ITA

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Ice Cycle

04-23-2009, 07:37 PM

Where do these people come from, do they just give kids to anyone
and say ok then ?

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7406&eeid=6527472&_sitecat=1522&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt&_lid=332&_lnm=tg+ne+topnews&ck=

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:38 PM

RDI= Ron did it.
I was refered to AH site when I ask where the information that Ron and Amber visit the grandmother while together. I may be wrong but I seem to remember he also said in the same article that GGM has the child's BC and it has Ron's name on it. Again, i don't believe anything AH types. I was talking to AH about the video.

Good Evening :)

Glad to see the Board is not closed tonight

Did AH say he personally saw the BC or did he say many have seen it and it has Ron listed as the father?

I was thinking the latter

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 07:38 PM

See that is just childish. What kind of person would say that kind of stuff about someone's baby. and people wonder why i don't like this bunch of women. Heck i can't stand Ron much either.
Do you have link to Lisa's arrest?

No link. I saw it along with the case number and so on, at another message baord (SM) and that site always freezes me up.
I s'pose it's on the Putnam County site.

These women seem fond of azzwhoopin... (please CW not another timeout for saying that) because Crystal's sister beat up Amber 4/3/2007.

Almost comical except there is tragedy in this mess. Haleigh, a sweet little girl, lost.

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Good Evening :)

Glad to see the Board is not closed tonight

Did AH say he personally saw the BC or did he say many have seen it and it has Ron listed as the father?

I was thinking the latter

I don't think he said either. My impression was that he was basing his opinion on Amber's GGM stating that Ron was the father. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:42 PM

It is so sad that a young girl would let drugs take hold of her life and turn her into a Zombie. JMO

Are we talking about Amber or Misty?

Or Crystal?

(Or all three)

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:42 PM

See that is just childish. What kind of person would say that kind of stuff about someone's baby. and people wonder why i don't like this bunch of women. Heck i can't stand Ron much either.
Do you have link to Lisa's arrest?

Keep in mind FA.. she was 16 or just 17 at the time of the posting. Not giving that as an excuse in the least, just..well childish is.. teenage drama..speaking or errr typing without thinking kwim? Teenagers handle things like teenagers..not all of them, but a good bit of them. The stories they can go on and on.. oh I have a couple from the neighborhood on my myspace and you should see some of the bulletins that they post.. I just shake my head..

Texas48

04-23-2009, 07:43 PM

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Are we talking about Amber or Misty?

Or Crystal?

(Or all three)

Any male or female that lets that happen. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:44 PM

wow this is Amazing :(

Amber when she was with Ron

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=AmberwithJordanphotodateiswrong-1.jpg

Amber now

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=AmberNicoleBrooksdob3-29-89booked1-.jpg

That poor girl needs help if you ask me. :( makes me want to cry.

She is actually a beautiful girl. I hope she gets some help for the drugs before they take everything from her.. Geeze..when I think of Amber I think of that first picture where she is holding the baby, the first one you posted..she looks so young and vibrant and full of life.. and looks like a good girl.. the next one.. not so much. I wish they would know how drugs will suck the life out of them before they start doing them.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:45 PM

I don't think he said either. My impression was that he was basing his opinion on Amber's GGM stating that Ron was the father. JMO

In our interview, Mary Brooks told me that she’s has the birth certificate that names Cummings as the biological father, and has been caring for the baby for several months after Amber tumbled into an abyss of drugs and partying.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/22/exclusive-bolo-for-haleigh-cummings-dad/#more-1694

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Keep in mind FA.. she was 16 or just 17 at the time of the posting. Not giving that as an excuse in the least, just..well childish is.. teenage drama..speaking or errr typing without thinking kwim? Teenagers handle things like teenagers..not all of them, but a good bit of them. The stories they can go on and on.. oh I have a couple from the neighborhood on my myspace and you should see some of the bulletins that they post.. I just shake my head..

Wanted to edit but didn't want it to go missed. I didn't register what she said about the baby... no excuse or reason for that.. just cruelty and immaturity. I can't imagine saying that about a baby no matter the age.. it happens, as we can see but still sickening.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Any male or female that lets that happen. JMO

I agree there

I am always amazed how people who don't have a job are able to get the drugs in the first place

(And I don't want to know what they do to get them)

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:47 PM

Keep in mind FA.. she was 16 or just 17 at the time of the posting. Not giving that as an excuse in the least, just..well childish is.. teenage drama..speaking or errr typing without thinking kwim? Teenagers handle things like teenagers..not all of them, but a good bit of them. The stories they can go on and on.. oh I have a couple from the neighborhood on my myspace and you should see some of the bulletins that they post.. I just shake my head..

Not only kids do it. Remember the mom from MO who pretended to a boy that liked this girl. When the girl realized she had been tricked, she committed suicide. Before the internet, I found a note written by my daughter, which I knew was totally false, but I figured she was doing it to impress someone. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:50 PM

She is actually a beautiful girl. I hope she gets some help for the drugs before they take everything from her.. Geeze..when I think of Amber I think of that first picture where she is holding the baby, the first one you posted..she looks so young and vibrant and full of life.. and looks like a good girl.. the next one.. not so much. I wish they would know how drugs will suck the life out of them before they start doing them.

Isn't that the truth

In the mugshot, Amber looks so much older ... and not so good

Hopefully she is not dabbling in meth or crack but sure looks like it

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:50 PM

I agree there

I am always amazed how people who don't have a job are able to get the drugs in the first place

(And I don't want to know what they do to get them)

That's why I'm suspicious of Nay Nay's account of taking another girl to the Mexicans. She claimed she & Misty were scared and stayed close to WBG. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:52 PM

TY, I saw your post after I had already posted. I want to see the BC before I believe it. AH may have been doing a little more creative writing. IMO

She said she has custody so i would imagine to do so she would have a copy of the BC

There may be liars in this case but not everyone can be lying

MOO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:54 PM

What if its someone from the area, and also knows about the trains??

Bully could be.. the only hole I see in that theory is that we haven't heard of someone missing have we?? Besides Chad Reynolds. Could be someone who others thought left before hand and instead they were hanging out somewhere..that's a thought too.. Whatever came of the house that LE supposedly took Crystal to? Was there anyother word on that?

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 07:55 PM

She said she has custody so i would imagine to do so she would have a copy of the BC

There may be liars in this case but not everyone can be lying

MOO

Problem is maybe things don't start out as a lie, but the farther they go, more untruths are added. For instance, Mrs. Brooks did call 911, but much more was added than she had said. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 07:55 PM

I dont care how old she was. She wanted to play house like she was an adult she needs to act like what. and what kind of 16 year old would say that about a BABY?

but yeah IKWUM :(

Yeah you'll see I responded to my own post FA about that.. dont' know why that part didn't register with me. I was reading too fast. You know, some of them NEVER grow up past that stage, it's like they are stunted there.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:57 PM

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 07:59 PM

I wonder why they haven't went after him for CS specially since the babies on SSi.

I do not think the SS office runs like the DOJFS

If there is an order in place they work with that but otherwise, the child gets disability separate from CS

Motomom

04-23-2009, 08:03 PM

Hi Texas,

Thank you for your post.

I respectfully disagree with your statement regarding Crystal. This young mother has definitely been put through the wringer here. As you suggest, all we need to do is read over the threads since Haleigh went missing.

As far as Crystal's behavior throughout, I see a young woman, who is sympathetic and nakedly honest about her mistakes. I do not see a perfect person, nor one who has done all the right things. I see a woman who has lost her daughter, who is coming to terms with past domestic violence issues and emerging information pointing to Ron's continued abuse of their children. If you study the effects on abused people, Crystal's actions make sense.

I agree that I have asked CK quite a few times about her volunteer work at a domestic violence shelter. I also agree my questions could be called "hounding." I will work on that, especially if she asks me personally to stop inquiring.

These are my thoughts and opinions

Seeker, I feel bad for both Crystal and Ron for the loss of this little girl. Nothing will take those feelings from me. I just do not believe the accusations that Crystal made regarding Ron. My negative feelings for Crystal started with the allegations made by her mother and her. After looking at her myspace page and her pictures there with her new baby (who is beautiful).. she didnt' look good to me in those pictures. To me, her actions don't make sense simply because she went through the media. Now if she had went through dyfs and le and the courts and got no action, then going to the media would have been my next step when it was so readily available, but instead she allowed her mother, then herself then the attorney to go on national tv with these allegations of abuse against her and her children, yet in the last 4 yrs, she didn't try to get custody of them back that I have seen documented. Now I haven't seen the lawyer or her on tv lately so my opinion of her is getting slightly better, but I may have missed it. I dont' see an abused woman there. I see a woman who either blamed or allowed others to blame her drug use on a man, the fact that she doesn't have her kids on a man etc.. I just wanted to share why I felt the way I did about her. I have shared in the past why I feel the way I do about Ron as well. I've been acused of many times bashing Crystal, which I try not to do, because I don't like the bashing of Ron.. discussing the facts is one thing, but bashing based on rumors is different to me. My opinion about them both was formed from my own life experiences (which were NOTHING like we see here in this case, but I've seen it within my own family and friends ). I just wanted to explain it and put it out there why i feel the way I do about her.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:04 PM

so are you saying at first when all this happen and everyone asked her if there was trouble in the house and she said NO she was LYING?

how the heck would that help bring her daughter home?

Maybe not so much lying as much as thinking it was not relevant at the time to put out in the national news

She may have told LE different and that would be all LE needed .. not the media

After a period of time ... things change and she vocalized more

Kind of like a funeral .. who speaks badly of the person in time of sorrow? But after the fact -- talk comes freely

Squidward

04-23-2009, 08:07 PM

Does SSI go after the non custodial parent? I know welfare does but didn't know SS did.

I don't think they do. My SIL is dating a guy who has a child on SSI, and he doesn't pay a dime of support. Maybe he's just getting away with it, but they haven't come after him for support.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 08:09 PM

so are you saying at first when all this happen and everyone asked her if there was trouble in the house and she said NO she was LYING?

how the heck would that help bring her daughter home?

Something else.. early on there were two specific pictures of Crystal comforting Ron.. well one she had her hand on his back, kneeling down next to him with a phone on her lap while he was on the ground and then another where they were at a vigil and it was her then Ron then Misty and Ron and her had their heads tilted toward one another..not Ron and Misty. I believe that Crystal was ok with the living arrangments of her children before Haleigh went missing. There is nothing wrong with that IMO. If she felt they were better off with Ron in the beginning then she did the right thing back then. If she didnt' think they were better off, then she should have fought with every last breath IMO.. did whatever she could do to keep them safe. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 08:10 PM

Gotcha mom. But if its a fight, they would need another person/persons to fight with. Unless they use themselves as their own punching bag. lol

LOL I know bully.. I just thought that someone had posted a link earlier on about an affray and that it didn't need to be two people.. it could be where one person just starts flipping out yelling at everyone?? I dont' know..

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:11 PM

that makes no sense to me. If i thought my ex was abusing my children i would be screaming it from the mountain tops. Specially to the LE from day one. I would have drove straight there and said hey things are NOT right in that house.........

LE could have torn that house apart and checked for any kind of abuse within the first 6 hours.

Haleigh might be home right now if Crystal would have done that.

MOO

She may have made complaints beforehand because it was stated early on that DCS was involved with the family

To what extent we are not privileged to know

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:15 PM

LOL I know bully.. I just thought that someone had posted a link earlier on about an affray and that it didn't need to be two people.. it could be where one person just starts flipping out yelling at everyone?? I dont' know..

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affray

AFFRAY, criminal law. The fighting of two or more persons, in some public place, to the terror of the people.
2. To constitute this offence there must be, 1st, a fighting; 2d, the fighting must be between two or more persons; 3d, it must be in some public place ; 4th, it must be to the terror of the people.
3. It differs from a riot, it not being premeditated; for if any persons meet together upon any lawful or innocent occasion, and happen on a sudden to engage in fighting, they are not guilty of a riot but an affray only; and in that case none are guilty except those actually engaged in it. Hawk. b. 1, c. 65, s. 3 ; 4 Bl. Com. 146; 1 Russell, 271.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:17 PM

I believe she has the child's BC, but what I question is, does it have RC name listed as the father?

According to her, yes it does

Motomom

04-23-2009, 08:19 PM

She may have made complaints beforehand because it was stated early on that DCS was involved with the family

To what extent we are not privileged to know

This is true enough.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 08:20 PM

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Affray

AFFRAY, criminal law. The fighting of two or more persons, in some public place, to the terror of the people.
2. To constitute this offence there must be, 1st, a fighting; 2d, the fighting must be between two or more persons; 3d, it must be in some public place ; 4th, it must be to the terror of the people.
3. It differs from a riot, it not being premeditated; for if any persons meet together upon any lawful or innocent occasion, and happen on a sudden to engage in fighting, they are not guilty of a riot but an affray only; and in that case none are guilty except those actually engaged in it. Hawk. b. 1, c. 65, s. 3 ; 4 Bl. Com. 146; 1 Russell, 271.

Thank you tara..

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:30 PM

I didn't want to go there because to me it could mean she might be gone. But if its someone who lives there and knows about the trains, they could have taken her, then hopped the train, went a ways down and hopped off. Hung around there for awhile then go home.

Haven't heard anything more on the house Crystal went to.
jmo

They would still have to know to brick the door, they would have to be stupid enough to turn on a light while abducting a child ...

I just do not think a stranger is involved in this at all

(shrug)

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:33 PM

But, if what you mean is that more information came out, that does not mean that the GGM is dishonest. The more people looking into it, the more chance mistakes will be made in reporting.

The GGM called 911. Why must we look for some nefarious reason behind that?

my thoughts.

Exactly

She saw what she saw.. she heard what heard .. she called 911 because she had a fear

Simple as that

Ron can drive where ever he wishes but the circumstances scared her

Or scared Amber enough for GM to call .. either way

As long as GM keeps a tight grip on that poor baby, all will be just fine

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:36 PM

I disagree, according to AH....She also supposed to have said JR was at her door asking for a one year old, according to AH. What about AH is a liar that some of you don't understand. How do you choose and pick what is and what is not true..

Unless Mary is a liar as well, she has custody of the baby ... in order to have custody a BC has to be produced

Unless she is illiterate... she read Ron named as the father on the BC

What is the big deal?

Seriously?

If Ron does not think he is the father -- he would have demanded a paternity test long ago ... he didn't, right?
So he knows

What this means to Haleigh being missing is beyond me

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 08:39 PM

I disagree, according to AH....She also supposed to have said JR was at her door asking for a one year old, according to AH. What about AH is a liar that some of you don't understand. How do you choose and pick what is and what is not true..

As with every site talking about any case, some is truth, and some is not. Some is town gossip, and often that does turn out to be the truth or close to it.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:43 PM

Seeker, I feel bad for both Crystal and Ron for the loss of this little girl. Nothing will take those feelings from me. I just do not believe the accusations that Crystal made regarding Ron. My negative feelings for Crystal started with the allegations made by her mother and her. After looking at her myspace page and her pictures there with her new baby (who is beautiful).. she didnt' look good to me in those pictures. To me, her actions don't make sense simply because she went through the media. Now if she had went through dyfs and le and the courts and got no action, then going to the media would have been my next step when it was so readily available, but instead she allowed her mother, then herself then the attorney to go on national tv with these allegations of abuse against her and her children, yet in the last 4 yrs, she didn't try to get custody of them back that I have seen documented. Now I haven't seen the lawyer or her on tv lately so my opinion of her is getting slightly better, but I may have missed it. I dont' see an abused woman there. I see a woman who either blamed or allowed others to blame her drug use on a man, the fact that she doesn't have her kids on a man etc.. I just wanted to share why I felt the way I did about her. I have shared in the past why I feel the way I do about Ron as well. I've been acused of many times bashing Crystal, which I try not to do, because I don't like the bashing of Ron.. discussing the facts is one thing, but bashing based on rumors is different to me. My opinion about them both was formed from my own life experiences (which were NOTHING like we see here in this case, but I've seen it within my own family and friends ). I just wanted to explain it and put it out there why i feel the way I do about her.

Problem is .. why have no idea what she went through privately before she went public

I feel for Crystal ... Ron, not so much

Odd how we all perceive people differently

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 08:48 PM

But, if what you mean is that more information came out, that does not mean that the GGM is dishonest. The more people looking into it, the more chance mistakes will be made in reporting.

The GGM called 911. Why must we look for some nefarious reason behind that?

my thoughts.

I did not say the grandmother was dishonest. She called 911 and the tape was played. What other people reported she said was not on that tape. I never said I was looking for a nefarious reason. JMO

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 08:54 PM

You don't think that someone can put info out there, get the rumors flowing, then retract? I thought he made more than one mistake, but I could be wrong.
jmo

The problem that once the information is out there, it is hard to retract. Usually, when a newspaper makes a mistake, then corrects the mistake, they put the correction on page 250 which no one ever reads instead of on the front page where the mistake was made.

Did AH correct the story in the original posting or did he add a message in the comments section way down in the bottom of the story? Lots of people never read the comment section; therefore never know that it has been corrected. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 08:58 PM

why would he demand a paternity test? she wasn't asking for child support or anything so why demand a paternity test?

Because he didn't need to?

He knows he is the baby's father

And didn't care

He left Amber and his disabled child to live with the babysitter basically

Why there would be interest now if that is what the 911 episode was really all about is beyond me?

I honestly do not understand

But the coincidences of that night are intriguing to say the least

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 09:00 PM

He rewrote the article but the Ron haters on his site still accused Ron of trying to kidnap the boy and then told Art not to apologize to Ron....which he didn't really do. He added "apologies to Ron" to the end of a sentence.

I'll give him credit for that, but most people will not change their opinions even when it is in black & white. As they say, one can't unring a bell. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:02 PM

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:06 PM

Where did art do that?

TIA

N/M

Found where he apologized to Ron regarding Jr being there

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:07 PM

IIRC There is no stop in the area... the train is moving through that intersection.

remember
....the dogs tracked Haleigh's scent through the woods past the footprint to the water..... then on to the/near RR tracks.

Could a SO have had a car waiting near the tracks?

After bricking a door, turning on a light, taking a child from a bed where two others lay sleeping?

Naw

Don't buy it

MOO

Look inside not outside

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:09 PM

I'll give him credit for that, but most people will not change their opinions even when it is in black & white. As they say, one can't unring a bell. JMO

We have to unring Nancy Grace's bell all the time

:tonguewag:

(:

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:16 PM

So let me get this straight...Ron left Amber ? She didn't fear for her or her sons life and leave? TIA

From what we have heard ... Ron left her for Misty

Fear? No idea

Who understands fear while on drugs though

Takes a clearing of the head to look back

Amber has not looked back according to GM

Very sad

Especially with a special needs child ...

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 09:24 PM

My, MY, MY....Lisa ann Brooks is her name and she has 18 arrest under her belt. here is where she assualted Misty.

542008MM003940XXAXMX 2008-10-06
Defendant
BROOKS, LISA ANN
Alias

UCN: 542008MM003940XXAXMX
File Date: 2008-10-06 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
BROOKS, LISA ANN
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2008-10-06 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 09-25-08

2008-10-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2008-10-06 1 BATTERY/ MISTY CROSLIN

2009-03-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL CTS

OMG, I wondered why GGM, instead of GM had the child. Now I know. Like mother, like daughter. Unbelievable how everybody is connected with crimes (drugs). I'll bet the first thing LE did when they heard about this case is hit their hit against the wall. No wonder they can't unravel the mystery. It could be most anyone in the area. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:24 PM

My, MY, MY....Lisa ann Brooks is her name and she has 18 arrest under her belt. here is where she assualted Misty.

542008MM003940XXAXMX 2008-10-06
Defendant
BROOKS, LISA ANN
Alias

UCN: 542008MM003940XXAXMX
File Date: 2008-10-06 Judge: PETER T MILLER
Defense Atty:

Defendant
BROOKS, LISA ANN
Alias

Date # Docket Description
2008-10-06 1 COMPLAINT FILED: PCSO/ 09-25-08

2008-10-06 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

2008-10-06 1 BATTERY/ MISTY CROSLIN

2009-03-24 2 ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO INFORMATION TO ALL CTS

According to GM, Amber's mother is also into drugs

This case is so baffling .. all the players have drugs, underage sex, violence .. etc involved in their lives

How anyone could could suspect a random SO of taking Haleigh is crazy --

With lifestyles like these ... it could be anyone connected to them or more likely the major players themselves

Sometimes i can't blame the media for backing off this case because the libel suits are high risk despite knowing what we know

Makes the Anthony's look like a Beaver the Cleaver family compared

Sheesh

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:26 PM

The young lady has some major issues and i hope she gets help. After all this i would not be shocked if Ronald demanded a dna test and then custody of the baby.

No Judge in the world right now would give him custody

NMOO

Squidward

04-23-2009, 09:29 PM

He rewrote the article but the Ron haters on his site still accused Ron of trying to kidnap the boy and then told Art not to apologize to Ron....which he didn't really do. He added "apologies to Ron" to the end of a sentence.

He corrected the mistakes and re-wrote the article. I am not sure if you've read comments on his site but "Ron haters" aren't the only ones who comment.

Should he drop to his knees and beg for forgiveness from the almighty Ron? What kind of apology would be acceptable?

Initial reporters were that there WAS a BOLO for RC, details about JR being there may have gotten mixed up, who knows. :confused: IMO he cleared the air, by reporting his interview with the GGM.

With all that said I do take much of what Art says with a grain of salt these days, but at least he's still reporting, at least he's still getting Haleigh's story out there.

Without any of the Nay Nay/Amber .... Haleigh would not have made the news.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:30 PM

I don't know but I darn sure hope so. She would be high on my suspect list.
It is laughable that she is afraid of Ron riding through a public parking lot. Poor Amber, she didn't stand a chance in life...

Amber's Mom is the druggie

Not Amber's GM who called 911

Just to clarify

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 09:32 PM

Amber's Mom is the druggie

Not Amber's GM who called 911

Just to clarify

Does GGM have a criminal record? I sure hope not. There needs to be one sane person to take care of that child. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:32 PM

He corrected the mistakes and re-wrote the article. I am not sure if you've read comments on his site but "Ron haters" aren't the only ones who comment.

Should he drop to his knees and beg for forgiveness from the almighty Ron? What kind of apology would be acceptable?

Initial reporters were that there WAS a BOLO for RC, details about JR being there may have gotten mixed up, who knows. :confused: IMO he cleared the air, by reporting his interview with the GGM.

With all that said I do take much of what Art says with a grain of salt these days, but at least he's still reporting, at least he's still getting Haleigh's story out there.

Without any of the Nay Nay/Amber .... Haleigh would not have made the news.

Haleigh still does not make the news unless you follow certain websites

:(

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:33 PM

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 09:34 PM

Would the father's name have to be on the BC in order for SSI to come after the father?

Not being snarky....really would like to know.
Also, what if there is no name on the BC on the father's name?

Anyone? TIA

I'm not sure if it matters about the father. There are lots of people that are married and have disabled children. They are still elegible for SSI if they qualify medically and finacially. http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/text-child-ussi.htm explains SSI for children. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:34 PM

Does GGM have a criminal record? I sure hope not. There needs to be one sane person to take care of that child. JMO

Lord, I hope not!!!

That baby needs attention 24/7

Has to be at least one sober person there

SleepyHallow

04-23-2009, 09:35 PM

Amber was driving Nay Nays car in Ron's neighborhood the night Haleigh was taken.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:36 PM

I'm not sure if it matters about the father. There are lots of people that are married and have disabled children. They are still elegible for SSI if they qualify medically. JMO

Just medical records proving disability

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:37 PM

I think the baby needs to stay right were he is with his GGM. God forbid something should happen to her. I am going to go out on a limb a nd say it was Amber's MOM made the 911 call, not the GGM.. MOO
If you listen to the tape it sounds like someone in their late 30's or early forties. Again MOO

I am going out on a limb as well and say that Amber's Mom is nowhere around

panache

04-23-2009, 09:39 PM

Something else.. early on there were two specific pictures of Crystal comforting Ron.. well one she had her hand on his back, kneeling down next to him with a phone on her lap while he was on the ground and then another where they were at a vigil and it was her then Ron then Misty and Ron and her had their heads tilted toward one another..not Ron and Misty. I believe that Crystal was ok with the living arrangments of her children before Haleigh went missing. There is nothing wrong with that IMO. If she felt they were better off with Ron in the beginning then she did the right thing back then. If she didnt' think they were better off, then she should have fought with every last breath IMO.. did whatever she could do to keep them safe. JMO

Jumping in here. I believe Crystal had a change of heart re Ron, when Marcus and Chad were told by Ron, he was *75% certain* who had taken Haleigh. Of course, when confronted by this statement Ron denied it. What reason would Chad and Marcus have to come up with such a story? If Crystal thought that Ron was witholding info about who was involved in Haleigh's disappearance, I can understand why she rethought what she originally felt about Ron as a dad.

moo

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 09:41 PM

*IF* her middle name is Lucy then she has an arrest on her record.

Please don't let it be for drugs. Now I understand why none of these people are convicted or just given fines and/or probation. There is no way the County could afford to build a jail big enough to house all these people. JMO

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:45 PM

How about Theresa Neves???

That is opening up a worm hole on this board I am not about to crawl into

No way Jose

(;

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:46 PM

But, but, she is the one who supposedly spotted Ron and his new wife riding through the parking lot. She had to be there..:confused:

No it was Amber's grandmother

Not Amber's mom

Owlface

04-23-2009, 09:49 PM

Wow, all that from someone who was trying to think and be positive on what they would do in that position. Nothing like being shot down ahead of time.
jmo

That's your take on it. Mine is that poster was saying Amber is lying because if the poster were in the same situation machete guy would be in jail forever; therefore Amber is lying because machete guy wasn't in jail. I was trying to point out the absurdity of that opinion because actually it's very hard to get a conviction much less a life sentence, so the fact machete guy isn't in jail doesn't speak to the truthfulness of Amber. Not that I believe Amber's story, but poster's reasoning wasn't valid.

And poster's little disclaimer at the end reminds of of Emily Latella going on and on and then saying "Never mind." (from Laugh-in sketches)

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:51 PM

Jumping in here. I believe Crystal had a change of heart re Ron, when Marcus and Chad were told by Ron, he was *75% certain* who had taken Haleigh. Of course, when confronted by this statement Ron denied it. What reason would Chad and Marcus have to come up with such a story? If Crystal thought that Ron was witholding info about who was involved in Haleigh's disappearance, I can understand why she rethought what she originally felt about Ron as a dad.

moo

I think Crystal was informed about a lot of things after those first few days

She took what she was told, compiled it with what kids say (and anyone who has been divorced know kids say a lot of things) and realized things were not what she thought

Then she spoke up

I see her point, her pain, her guilt

I have absolutely no problem with Crystal at all ... and her lawyer is what lawyers are ...

I want to know where Ron and Misty are, what they are doing to find the child they love so much and why are they not still out there begging for her, searching for her

It is a real shame when the residential parents give up and everyone pokes into every corner of the life of the one who is at least trying

(shaking my head)

Pat

04-23-2009, 09:53 PM

According to GM, Amber's mother is also into drugs

This case is so baffling .. all the players have drugs, underage sex, violence .. etc involved in their lives

How anyone could could suspect a random SO of taking Haleigh is crazy --

With lifestyles like these ... it could be anyone connected to them or more likely the major players themselves

Sometimes i can't blame the media for backing off this case because the libel suits are high risk despite knowing what we know

Makes the Anthony's look like a Beaver the Cleaver family comparedSheesh

LOL! Let's not go overboard! :laugh:

I think there are two reasons the MS media has walked away...no news releases from LE, for one, and the other is the character of all involved. The average person watching the news isn't interested in the low-life behavior of this entire group. Most people don't want it for themselves or their children.

If any of these people had any redeeming qualities that made them newsworthy the media wouldn't have turned their backs. The defining moment was the GR interview when the real mud-singing began. It's hard to maintain sympathy for a family when they get on national TV, air their dirty laundry and some of it turns out to be flat-out lies.

George and Cindy Anderson are a more refined version of the same mentality and the public has no patience with them, either. They are vilified and sneered at, but they are tone-deaf when it comes to the reality that the public isn't buying what they are trying to sell.

There may be a very small segment of people interest in every thrilling rumor about this case, but not enough to sustain the national or even large local news outlets.

Poor little Haleigh...she deserved so much better. Mark Lunsford proves lifestyle doesn't matter. Simple dignity goes a long way.

TaraCrazyHair

04-23-2009, 09:54 PM

Tara, the GGM stated ,her daughter saw them in the parking lot. Who was suppose to be giving the description of the car? GGM daughter, who is Amber's Mom. Confusing isn't it?

Hmmmmmmmm

I took it to mean Amber

Will have to relisten tomorrow

Time for Harper's Island!

At least all those crazy people make some sense to me

lol

Nite

(:

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 09:56 PM

I believe she has the child's BC, but what I question is, does it have RC name listed as the father?

And even if it does, he could still not be bio dad.

AmndaRcknwth

04-23-2009, 10:02 PM

The difference is truth or lie. I believe Amber, Nay Nay and Amber's Mom is trying to set Ron up and he does not need anymore on his shoulder's. He is missing his daughter. I hope LE compares voices of Amber's Mom and her GM to see who really made the call. This is NOT a game...A child is missing..

GreatGrandma Brooks has more than 1 child.

from AH:

In an interview Wednesday, Brooks told me her youngest daughter, Renee, 25, had come rushing into her house and said, “Mom, Ronald (Cummings) is riding around in his car, in parking lot,’ And I said, ‘You gotta be kidding me!’” But it wasn’t until an hour later, after a thin black man she didn’t recognize knocked on her door that she called police, fearing he might be scouting for Ronald.

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 10:12 PM

Yes, bam bam, we all know that this is not a game and that a child is missing.

I don't buy into the vast conspiracy against Ron theory, but if true, you have to wonder why so many people hate Ron.

I think the world in which most of these people are living, they all hate each other. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 10:14 PM

Motomom

04-23-2009, 10:20 PM

The difference is truth or lie. I believe Amber, Nay Nay and Amber's Mom is trying to set Ron up and he does not need anymore on his shoulder's. He is missing his daughter. I hope LE compares voices of Amber's Mom and her GM to see who really made the call. This is NOT a game...A child is missing..

bam I think it was the GGM who made the call. I think she may have other daughters? Might not necessarily be Amber's mom who "saw" Ron driving through the parking lot. I think the GGM was genuine in her call... I don't think she realized that MAYBE there was way more to it. Someone scared her IMO, into calling. Because face it, there is nothing wrong with Ron driving through that parking lot IF indeed he was there. I can see a GGM getting scared... look at what she has dealt with with Amber's own mother and Amber.. JMO

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 10:24 PM

Still doesn't explain why everyone hates Ron.

I don't know that "everyone" hates Ron. I do feel that none of the people in that area don't like each other that much. JMO

Motomom

04-23-2009, 10:24 PM

Exactly, that is why I am questioning Ron's name being on the BC. Anyone know this Renee last name. GGM has a daughter 25 years old. OH my..........

Someone posted earlier Bam that the GGM was 63. Not sure if that's true or not, but it was posted here.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 10:28 PM

got a link to everyone hating Ron?

LOL FA.. really it seems like a small circle of .. well I'd say friends.. but it appears it isn't that way. Sometimes people don't like to see others move on and do better.. so they try to bring them down, with whatever they can. You posted the pictures earlier of Amber, you can see the obvious change in her, even attitude wise to ME at least. When someone credible steps up with some credible information I will change my opinion.

Motomom

04-23-2009, 10:29 PM

i thought they said 56...........wow i need to go look this up lol

LOL let me know.. I thought it was 63 and I can see the screen name that posted it.. almost.. on the tip of my tongue. It was earlier on today.

Politigal

04-23-2009, 10:34 PM

just an interesting article today on child abductions

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/newEAST03042309.htm

Statewide, about 52,000 children have been reported missing in the past year, according to FDLE officials. But Thomas said most are runaways or have been abducted by a parent. Strangers are responsible for less than one-half of 1 percent of the cases, he said.

?noanswer

04-23-2009, 10:51 PM

where is KP lately? I'm shocked she didn't jump on the bandwagon with the events of the past few days.

Seems the mainstream media has backed off. Did JVM mention Haleigh tonight? She was the last MSM that was covering Haleigh. Course I'm sure AH would do a video of KP and post on his site. JMO

titanfan217

04-23-2009, 11:00 PM

Haven't read all of the last few pages but did catch some discussion about SSI.

I don't believe SSI is tied to CS. Premies under a certain weight get SSI for a year. I believe the cutoff weight is 3 lbs and the reason I'm using that number is grandson #1 was 2 lb 9 oz and got it and grandson #2 was 3 lb 2 oz and didn't.

Grandson #1 started getting it again, or rather his mom does, about 2 years ago 'cause he was diagnosed with ADHD. His mom basically considers it free money. Other than 1 pill a day, which is paid through his medical card, there are no additional costs.

It doesn't affect CS. I do believe she is required to report both to state and is used to calculate food stamps.

Both boys are fine, now 5 and 4, and finally asleep on my bed. Their other grandma is ill so staying here tonight.

cat3

04-23-2009, 11:12 PM

I hate to ask this question.............
Does Renee' have a rap sheet?
Please say NO
*crossing her finger*

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

On one of Lisa Brooks records(8-9-04) there is a Renee mentioned.If you look you might find a last name for Renee.Starts with a W but I'm scared to post it.lol.If that is her,she has a record.

FoxySly

04-23-2009, 11:15 PM

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

Type Brooks%Lisa% and all of her arrests will show up. And for the person who asked if Mary had a rap sheet if her middle name is Lucy then yes she has 1 arrest.

WOW!!! Unbelievable!!! If her middle name is Ann... page after page of someone who IMO shouldn't NEVER have Children let alone be around them!!!

What's in the water down there???

Sly

~

Mimi428

04-24-2009, 01:17 AM

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

On one of Lisa Brooks records(8-9-04) there is a Renee mentioned.If you look you might find a last name for Renee.Starts with a W but I'm scared to post it.lol.If that is her,she has a record.

I imagine it is her, the DOB is correct for her being about 25 years old.

In the case of Lisa Brooks - there are at least two different Lisa A Brooks who have been arrested in Putnan County - one of them is Caucasian & one of them is Black. So some of the Lisa A Brooks records are definitely not Amber's mother.

JMO

Squidward

04-24-2009, 01:42 AM

where is the sisterhood in this world?

Why didn't Nay Nay call the police when Misty was beat up, cut up and bleeding ?

Sorry to butt in... I just feel given your previous responses about Crystal that the "sisterhood" is gone, it no longer exists.

Squidward

04-24-2009, 01:43 AM

Yes, bam bam, we all know that this is not a game and that a child is missing.

I don't buy into the vast conspiracy against Ron theory, but if true, you have to wonder why so many people hate Ron.

Really.... why would so many people try to tarnish the reputation of such a great man. :scared: :rolleyes:

Santa'sMom

04-24-2009, 01:48 AM

Well if Amber has Ron on the BC i'm shocked the state of FL's not demanding child support or a DNA test

MOO

If he's only on Medicaid, the state does not automatically go after the father. They aren't happy about the situation, but they can't force you to go after the father for support. I think I read on here that Amber's little boy has microencephaly. If that is the case, he is almost uncertainly on SSI and Medicaid. Again, child support may well not be a predetermined issue. I don't have any firsthand knowledge of SSI, only secondhand. Medicaid, I know about firsthand. I could get Medicaid coverage for my son without child support but couldn't get any help for myself without child support unless I showed proof that child support had not been court ordered. Fortunately, I work in a hospital and they were awesome enough to absorb the costs of my hospitalization. I was only a week away from having health insurance from my job when I got admitted.

Santa'sMom

04-24-2009, 01:58 AM

I don't know that "everyone" hates Ron. I do feel that none of the people in that area don't like each other that much. JMO

The druggies don't like one another but the regular people aren't bad. Druggies don't trust one another (go figure?) and, although they may think of themselves as "friends" because they "party" together, they are typically "all for one and one for one."
A lot of people living in that area are members of large families who have been living in the area for a few generations. They don't like druggies either, but they do like normal folk. You have to prove yourself to them but once they accept you they will watch over you like you're their own family. They might not have a lot of money but what they do have they aren't afraid to share.

Hannah21

04-24-2009, 02:09 AM

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's a brief article and video regarding the slow down in Haleigh's case (written yesterday I believe) and in the video, they are talking about Cobra and showing Padilla, it's a shame that the local media can't even keep the story straight. LE also said the tips have slowed to one or two a day and said they need to get everybody's inconsistencies cleared up. Wonder who is included in the "everybody"? Make sure you watch the video, poor Padilla!:laugh:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx

moo

Thank you for the update. I have been out of town for a few days and missed the news. I couldn't find any thing recent when I did a search tonight.

I am glad the investigation is still on going. I hope Haleigh is found soon.

HouseOfClark

04-24-2009, 07:52 AM

the one that beat Misty is definitely Ambers mom........

I suspect that if Misty was charged also, it was as a juvenile and we wouldn't see those records.

IF she was also charged.

In any event, I suspect that both Lisa and Misty were told to stay away from each other pending adjudication.

That's just my opinion.

I'm just not seeing where Amber's mother would assault Misty for no good reason and we don't know what Misty's response or part in the altercation that resulted in charges.

HouseOfClark

04-24-2009, 07:53 AM

Hopefully Crystal isn't looking through rose colored glasses at her life-to-be after custody should she win.

She will still be an unemployed, uneducated, living with a man who has to support her, 4 kids..... 5 if Haleigh returns home... and himself.

Odds are she'll move on to guy #3 in a few years with another baby or two with more custody battles to win or lose.

I don't envy her that future.

That's some crystal ball you have there!

HouseOfClark

04-24-2009, 08:02 AM

I apologize if this has already been posted. It's a brief article and video regarding the slow down in Haleigh's case (written yesterday I believe) and in the video, they are talking about Cobra and showing Padilla, it's a shame that the local media can't even keep the story straight. LE also said the tips have slowed to one or two a day and said they need to get everybody's inconsistencies cleared up. Wonder who is included in the "everybody"? Make sure you watch the video, poor Padilla!:laugh:

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/content/topstories/story/Investigators-Not-Giving-Up-In-The-Search-For/6pWCCdXbq0C-RDdzgCqqmw.cspx

moo

Thank you for the link. I'm not understanding the file footage of Padilla either.

About the inconsistencies, sounds like it's more than just Misty's doesn't it?

Did you also notice that the printed article says they have received 35,000 tips, yet in the video the reporter clearly says 3,500? Talk about inconsistencies!