Thurs, April 23

[Lovethechild]

New thread for Sandra.:rose:

[MoonFlwr]

She enters a plea on Friday. Wouldn't it be something if she pled guilty in exchange for LWOP?

Hiya Jester :)

Yes, wouldn't that be one for the books. I wonder what the chances are?!

Hi LovetheChild :) (Thanks for the new thread).

:rose: For Sandra's family

[cuppajoe]

She may not plead anything, instead her lawyer may move to have her examined by a psychiatrist. That is the only defense I see for her, because I believe they have the evidence to prove the charges.

Morning.

[MoonFlwr]

She may not plead anything, instead her lawyer may move to have her examined by a psychiatrist. That is the only defense I see for her, because I believe they have the evidence to prove the charges.

Morning.

Ah, I think you may be right, cuppajoe!

Morning ;)

[aproudmom]

Good Morning everyone..well wonder what the plea will be..duh Not Guilty...she should be smart and just plea this one if they put a plea up the DA may not want to give her any type of a plea other than LWOP instead of DP....IMO she will never be found insane and not fit to stand trial..it is a lot harder than a lot think..she knew she did wrong she tried to cover it up even telling media stuff nope she is a Sick EVIL person but not Insane..JMO.

[aproudmom]

She may not plead anything, instead her lawyer may move to have her examined by a psychiatrist. That is the only defense I see for her, because I believe they have the evidence to prove the charges.

Morning.

I thought they were going to do that after the last hearing..well they just may not put in a plea if they have not had enough time..delay delay O how we love that..not..lol

[dinojen]

I thought they were going to do that after the last hearing..well they just may not put in a plea if they have not had enough time..delay delay O how we love that..not..lol


As annoying as it is.. I see delay also, the PD has only had the case since the 15th I think that was the date... so that's not long... PLUS... I'm looking at the other case that is being tried in Stockton.. the Tracy Teen Torture case... my god.. they have been in and out of court since NOVEMBER.. and one still has not made a plea. They go back to court next week on the 28th for hopefully the last plea. The first three of course plead not guilty...:rolleyes:

I see tomorrow for MH in court to be formalities and not much else. What I did wonder last night after I got off of here is if this Judge will allow any camera's in the courtroom... like the last one did? Or are we going to have to wait for reporters to come out and give details.:confused:


Forgot to say Good Morning... doing my Starbucks run shortly... place your orders:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

As annoying as it is.. I see delay also, the PD has only had the case since the 15th I think that was the date... so that's not long... PLUS... I'm looking at the other case that is being tried in Stockton.. the Tracy Teen Torture case... my god.. they have been in and out of court since NOVEMBER.. and one still has not made a plea. They go back to court next week on the 28th for hopefully the last plea. The first three of course plead not guilty...:rolleyes:

I see tomorrow for MH in court to be formalities and not much else. What I did wonder last night after I got off of here is if this Judge will allow any camera's in the courtroom... like the last one did? Or are we going to have to wait for reporters to come out and give details.


Forgot to say Good Morning... doing my Starbucks run shortly... place your orders:tonguewag:
Grab me 2 cups please:wink:

[aproudmom]

As annoying as it is.. I see delay also, the PD has only had the case since the 15th I think that was the date... so that's not long... PLUS... I'm looking at the other case that is being tried in Stockton.. the Tracy Teen Torture case... my god.. they have been in and out of court since NOVEMBER.. and one still has not made a plea. They go back to court next week on the 28th for hopefully the last plea. The first three of course plead not guilty...:rolleyes:

I see tomorrow for MH in court to be formalities and not much else. What I did wonder last night after I got off of here is if this Judge will allow any camera's in the courtroom... like the last one did? Or are we going to have to wait for reporters to come out and give details.


Forgot to say Good Morning... doing my Starbucks run shortly... place your orders:tonguewag:

Good Morning to everyone
dino ITA and knew all that and yes we hate it but it is how our system works and I want to make sure all is done and a far trial even thought I want to and convict her right now..she is Innocent until proven guilty..I am sure there will be tons of these little hearings..but we can only look for the day Justice is served..I am also wondering about cameras for some reason I am thinking we will not see her in the courtroom..
don't for get my latte plz:tonguewag:

You know I keep hearing about this other case I need to read up on it..is there a thread on here?

[kitty1182]

Sandra:rose:

[dinojen]

Good Morning to everyone
dino ITA and knew all that and yes we hate it but it is how our system works and I want to make sure all is done and a far trial even thought I want to and convict her right now..she is Innocent until proven guilty..I am sure there will be tons of these little hearings..but we can only look for the day Justice is served..I am also wondering about cameras for some reason I am thinking we will not see her in the courtroom..
don't for get my latte plz:tonguewag:

You know I keep hearing about this other case I need to read up on it..is there a thread on here?

Check the MikeyWave.. your latte is there staying warm..:tonguewag:

Here's a link to the other trial that should be starting soon in Tracy.. that one is going to be a doozy... youth football coach, girl scout leader/Mom of two or three kids.... it's a total trip how they could do some of the things they did and still be involved with kids.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348634

They are back in court next Tuesday... this one is going straight to trial.. no preliminary hearings no nothing per Grand Jury...:thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

I think she will plead insanity. I noticed her lawyer back peddling a bit this morning. Brain dead here, so don't ask me where I saw it. The Public Defender guy though. JMO.

[aproudmom]

Check the MikeyWave.. your latte is there staying warm..:tonguewag:

Here's a link to the other trial that should be starting soon in Tracy.. that one is going to be a doozy... youth football coach, girl scout leader/Mom of two or three kids.... it's a total trip how they could do some of the things they did and still be involved with kids.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348634

They are back in court next Tuesday... this one is going straight to trial.. no preliminary hearings no nothing per Grand Jury...:thumbsup:

thanks dino going to go read about this other case I keep hearing so much about it..thanks for the latte it was wonderful just what I needed...lol

[aproudmom]

I think she will plead insanity. I noticed her lawyer back peddling a bit this morning. Brain dead here, so don't ask me where I saw it. The Public Defender guy though. JMO.

o I have no doubt they will try to..just not sure she will be able to use that defense..jmo

[aproudmom]

Check the MikeyWave.. your latte is there staying warm..:tonguewag:

Here's a link to the other trial that should be starting soon in Tracy.. that one is going to be a doozy... youth football coach, girl scout leader/Mom of two or three kids.... it's a total trip how they could do some of the things they did and still be involved with kids.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348634

They are back in court next Tuesday... this one is going straight to trial.. no preliminary hearings no nothing per Grand Jury...:thumbsup:

OMG that was in Tracy I remember it he ran to a gym I saw the women in a interview she said he crawled under the table..omg did not know it was the same one..I need to read more about it..I was so sick when I heard about this..thanks for sending me the link..I owe ya one..

[omsk99]

She enters a plea on Friday. Wouldn't it be something if she pled guilty in exchange for LWOP?

I found it interesting that when her PD initially requested a second autopsy, that they needed to do that in order to argue with rape charges. Murder charges weren't mentioned. Makes me wonder if they are going to plead guilty to murder (but argue it was an accident). :huh:

[dinojen]

OMG that was in Tracy I remember it he ran to a gym I saw the women in a interview she said he crawled under the table..omg did not know it was the same one..I need to read more about it..I was so sick when I heard about this..thanks for sending me the link..I owe ya one..

Yeah this trial is going to be a total trip... the stuff that young man has gone through in his life and the things these people did to him.. Hopefully once the trial starts we can have a thread or board to discuss it. I have a feeling it's going to be :scared: especially with the envolvment these people had with kids in the community... it's pretty scary.

[aproudmom]

All I have to say is omg:ohmy:

After the first fire, Lloyd said, police found a baby’s bottle with gasoline, a threatening letter and newspapers stuffed in the side window of her first-story room Lloyd estimated that 25 or 30 women lived in the house at different times

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2426506-Huckaby+linked+to+SoCal+arson+case&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Huckaby%20linked%20to%20SoCal%20arson%20case%20=&open=&

[aproudmom]

Yeah this trial is going to be a total trip... the stuff that young man has gone through in his life and the things these people did to him.. Hopefully once the trial starts we can have a thread or board to discuss it. I have a feeling it's going to be :scared: especially with the envolvment these people had with kids in the community... it's pretty scary.

I hate to ask you on this thread but is there a trial date I googled new updates and did not find to much left ya the same question on the link you gave me but figured I would just ask..sorry everyone I know it is O/T but this is horrific what was done..TIA dino if you know..I would also like to follow it..

Once again sorry O/T

[dinojen]

All I have to say is omg:ohmy:

After the first fire, Lloyd said, police found a baby’s bottle with gasoline, a threatening letter and newspapers stuffed in the side window of her first-story room Lloyd estimated that 25 or 30 women lived in the house at different times

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2426506-Huckaby+linked+to+SoCal+arson+case&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Huckaby%20linked%20to%20SoCal%20arson%20case%20=&open=&

But that lady that was renting rooms sounds like a real whack job too.. we were talking about that last night...

[dinojen]

I hate to ask you on this thread but is there a trial date I googled new updates and did not find to much left ya the same question on the link you gave me but figured I would just ask..sorry everyone I know it is O/T but this is horrific what was done..TIA dino if you know..I would also like to follow it..

Once again sorry O/T

Trial date might be set on Tuesday.. I would hope. Will let you know.

[aproudmom]

My thought would be that the Prosecution would have to offer a plea down to manslaughter, I don't think there is accidental murder. I can't see that happening. Any legal eagles out there?

I don't see them doing any plea unless the family agreed to it..and the only plea IMO they would take is LWOP if they add DP may be wrong but I would not take anything less I wish she would just plead guilty and not have this family go through a horrible trial...but sure that is not going to happen either..but I guess I can wish...

[aproudmom]

But that lady that was renting rooms sounds like a real whack job too.. we were talking about that last night...

I know that was why I said omg..this landlord sounds a little nutty herself...when I saw the home I wondered who lived there and hit the sack a little early guess I missed the talk last night..yikes that was crazy...:scared:

also thanks let me know when you find out about the other case

[aproudmom]

I found it interesting that when her PD initially requested a second autopsy, that they needed to do that in order to argue with rape charges. Murder charges weren't mentioned. Makes me wonder if they are going to plead guilty to murder (but argue it was an accident). :huh:

but murder is not a accident is it

[aproudmom]

Just wondered if anyone thinks she could plea to a lessor on the murder? all these things confuse me


In most states, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated, meaning that it was committed after planning or "lying in wait" for the victim.


Murder: Second degree
Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.



MANSLAUGHTER - The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent.



Manslaughter: Voluntary
Voluntary manslaughter is commonly defined as an intentional killing in which the offender had no prior intent to kill, such as a killing that occurs in the "heat of passion." The circumstances leading to the killing must be the kind that would cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed; otherwise, the killing may be charged as a first-degree or second-degree murder.


Manslaughter: Involuntary
Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as DUI). The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally negligent homicide") is a crime in which the victim's death is unintended.

[Details]

but murder is not a accident is itThat'd be manslaughter. Just from my impressions, I think they'll argue (and I think it might be the truth too) that she attempted to sedate the child, and accidentally used too much. Then they'd be going for accidental manslaughter.

[aproudmom]

I agree, Insanity.

I will be shocked if she gets it."guilty but mentally ill" This is more common these days...I have no idea I guess it will have to be left up to a Judge and Doctors all this legal lingo drives me nuts..I am not in her head so I guess I will just wait and see what happens..

Insanity defense
An insanity plea is a poor excuse for serious lawbreaking, and should have no bearing on punishment. In a majority of criminal cases, especially murder trials, an insanity plea is merely a defense strategy aimed at delivering guilty defendants from the death penalty or serving time in prison. Defendants feign mental illness, and their attorneys use this loophole as a way to confuse jurors with complicated and questionable psychiatric evaluations. Most defendants who are found not guilty by reason of insanity are released from mental hospitals years, if not decades, earlier than they would be had they served prison sentences. The insanity defense ensures that criminals can avoid the punishment that fits their crimes.

Insanity defense FAQ
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/faqs.html

[aproudmom]

Here's how I read it:
I/M is out. The accompanying crime was a felony.

V/M could be in. The "crime of passion" that went awry may have caused a reasonable person to become disturbed.

However, it is my understanding that if a death results while in commission of a felony, the charge is murder.

I have now thoroughly confused myself.

Glad I could help. Not.

lol me to so wanted everyone else to join in..:laugh:

[dinojen]

TRACY (KRON) – The Clover Road Baptist Church, where police say eight-year-old Sandra Cantu may have been killed, is resuming its normal service schedule.

The pastor at the church is the grandfather of Melissa Huckaby, who is charged with one count of murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, rape with a foreign object and lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14.

Just two miles away from the church is the mobile home park where Huckaby lived with her daughter and Sandra lived with her mom and grandparents.

Before Wednesday’s service, church members could be seen walking into the main entrance, greeted by Pastor Lane Lawless.

Lawless did not want media inside the church and gave a curt response when asked how the church is doing, “Uh, I have nothing to say, period.”

Sandra was reported missing March 27th. Her remains were found ten days later in a large black suitcase that floated to the surface of a nearby irrigation pond.

Stay with KRON 4 and KRON4.com for all the latest news in the Sandra Cantu murder case.

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1165/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Church-Resumes-Weekly-Service/Default.aspx

[aproudmom]

I have no idea how they go about all the charges but what I do know is I hate GAG orders..I like to know everything..so call me nosey:wink:

[aproudmom]

TRACY (KRON) – The Clover Road Baptist Church, where police say eight-year-old Sandra Cantu may have been killed, is resuming its normal service schedule.

The pastor at the church is the grandfather of Melissa Huckaby, who is charged with one count of murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, rape with a foreign object and lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14.

Just two miles away from the church is the mobile home park where Huckaby lived with her daughter and Sandra lived with her mom and grandparents.

Before Wednesday’s service, church members could be seen walking into the main entrance, greeted by Pastor Lane Lawless.

Lawless did not want media inside the church and gave a curt response when asked how the church is doing, “Uh, I have nothing to say, period.”

Sandra was reported missing March 27th. Her remains were found ten days later in a large black suitcase that floated to the surface of a nearby irrigation pond.

Stay with KRON 4 and KRON4.com for all the latest news in the Sandra Cantu murder case.

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1165/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Church-Resumes-Weekly-Service/Default.aspx

O thanks dino just what I wanted to hear..thanks you made my day:wink:

[dinojen]

STOCKTON - Melissa Huckaby's trial on charges she raped and murdered 8-year-old Sandra Cantu won't be the first emotion-riddled case to play out before San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus.

Lofthus teared up three years ago listening to testimony from the friend of a 22-year-old man stabbed to death in front of a bar. That led defense attorneys to say she showed bias against a pair Jus Brothers Motorcycle Club members convicted in the killing.

Lofthus, 56, also faltered in an emotional moment on the bench late last year while sentencing convicted serial killer William Jennings Choyce to death for murdering three prostitutes. It was the first capital murder case for Lofthus.

When Huckaby, 28, steps into Lofthus' courtroom Friday for the first time, she'll confront a judge who receives quiet criticism from some local attorneys and high praise from an unlikely place - the attorney of the only person she's ever sentenced to death.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090423/A_NEWS/904230327

[aproudmom]

I am not sure how people feel about the church remaining open.,.I for one could not go in there if I was even told perhaps this child was killed in there..I also saw a baby being carried in:scared:and wonder if he will get more than 20 members just because this is so high profile...

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1165/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Church-Resumes-Weekly-Service/Default.aspx

[dinojen]

I am not sure how people feel about the church remaining open.,.I for one could not go in there if I was even told perhaps this child was killed in there..I also saw a baby being carried in:scared:and wonder if he will get more than 20 members just because this is so high profile...

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1165/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Church-Resumes-Weekly-Service/Default.aspx

Guess maybe some feel it's okay.. or their faith is that strong with their pastor Lawless... who knows what floats people's boats... He sure didn't sound pleased the media was there. He's hard to figure out, if he's ticked at MH or ticked at the invasion into his life and his church by the media... haven't figured that one out yet..:confused:

[aproudmom]

STOCKTON - Melissa Huckaby's trial on charges she raped and murdered 8-year-old Sandra Cantu won't be the first emotion-riddled case to play out before San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus.

Lofthus teared up three years ago listening to testimony from the friend of a 22-year-old man stabbed to death in front of a bar. That led defense attorneys to say she showed bias against a pair Jus Brothers Motorcycle Club members convicted in the killing.

Lofthus, 56, also faltered in an emotional moment on the bench late last year while sentencing convicted serial killer William Jennings Choyce to death for murdering three prostitutes. It was the first capital murder case for Lofthus.

When Huckaby, 28, steps into Lofthus' courtroom Friday for the first time, she'll confront a judge who receives quiet criticism from some local attorneys and high praise from an unlikely place - the attorney of the only person she's ever sentenced to death.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090423/A_NEWS/904230327

wow ok thanks

[GentleBreeze]

I found it interesting that when her PD initially requested a second autopsy, that they needed to do that in order to argue with rape charges. Murder charges weren't mentioned. Makes me wonder if they are going to plead guilty to murder (but argue it was an accident). :huh:

I have heard so many defense attorneys say that when they have a possible death penalty case they start working on that phase immediately.

I don't think the DA is going to plea the case down. I do believe that the PD thinks that it most likely will be a DP case and that is why he wanted his expert to do another autopsy trying to refute the rape allegation. Imo, he knows if the jury believes that then MH will get the harshest punishment allowed.

However, I think he had time to rethink his position and realized the backlash it could cause his client by having Sandra exhumed. If he is a PD at all he knew by law already that the ME must save enough ample samples for the defense attorney experts to do their own testing.

I am not sure felony murder has to have premeditation attached to it. Sandra died while the defendant was in the commission of committing other felonies (rape and kidnapping of a child 14 years old or younger)

I do not see the DA backing down on this case.

Imo, if he did so he knows it would send the same old message that women are given less time for heinous crimes like this one. This one is just too egregious to even consider a plea, imo.

imo

[oodi]

TRACY (KRON) – The Clover Road Baptist Church, where police say eight-year-old Sandra Cantu may have been killed, is resuming its normal service schedule.

The pastor at the church is the grandfather of Melissa Huckaby, who is charged with one count of murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, rape with a foreign object and lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14.

Just two miles away from the church is the mobile home park where Huckaby lived with her daughter and Sandra lived with her mom and grandparents.

Before Wednesday’s service, church members could be seen walking into the main entrance, greeted by Pastor Lane Lawless.

Lawless did not want media inside the church and gave a curt response when asked how the church is doing, “Uh, I have nothing to say, period.”

Sandra was reported missing March 27th. Her remains were found ten days later in a large black suitcase that floated to the surface of a nearby irrigation pond.

Stay with KRON 4 and KRON4.com for all the latest news in the Sandra Cantu murder case.

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1165/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Church-Resumes-Weekly-Service/Default.aspx


I wish these reporters could get some facts right. The church is NOT 2 miles away from the mobile home park... It MAY be 2/10 of a mile away. :cursing:

[aproudmom]

I have heard so many defense attorneys say that when they have a possible death penalty case they start working on that phase immediately.

I don't think the DA is going to plea the case down. I do believe that the PD thinks that it most likely will be a DP case and that is why he wanted his expert to do another autopsy trying to refute the rape allegation. Imo, he knows if the jury believes that then MH will get the harshest punishment allowed.

However, I think he had time to rethink his position and realized the backlash it could cause his client by having Sandra exhumed. If he is a PD at all he knew by law already that the ME must save enough ample samples for the defense attorney experts to do their own testing.

I am not sure felony murder has to have premeditation attached to it. Sandra died while the defendant was in the commission of committing other felonies (rape and kidnapping of a child 14 years old or younger)

I do not see the DA backing down on this case.

Imo, if he did so he knows it would send the same old message that women are given less time for heinous crimes like this one. This one is just too egregious to even consider a plea, imo.

imo

I have to agree with you GB

[aproudmom]

I wish these reporters could get some facts right. The church is NOT 2 miles away from the mobile home park... It MAY be 2/10 of a mile away. :cursing:

I know is the site she was dumped like 2 miles not the church you can see it from the entrance of the MH park

[aproudmom]

Why do we care what the Judge drives..lol. omg I see a Democrat:thumbdown: nah get rid of this judge I read enough:biggrin:

Linda Lofthus, a Democrat who drives a Volkswagen Beetle, is a child of the 1960s and attended California State University, Chico. As an attorney, she worked in the San Joaquin County Public Defender's Office before going into private practice.

[aproudmom]

Thanks for all the pertinent links , Ladies!

I believe MH will he prosecuted to the limits of the law for incredible ruthlessness in the diabolical crimes she evidently reveled in. For instance the Text message with the 'LOL' on the way to speak with the Tracy PD.

She cannot be shown as Insane either.

IF she did the other things her former room mate mentioned in addition to everything else, she should always be isolated for others.

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2426506-Huckaby+linked+to+SoCal+arson+case&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Huckaby%20linked%20to%20SoCal%20arson%20case%20=&open=&

I so hope Madison Huckaby is able to recover from her mother's evil life.

I also hope that I wonder who will have custody of her MH parents? has anyone heard if the bio dad is fighting for custody I know he said he wanted her just did not know how serious he was about it..

[aproudmom]

Guess maybe some feel it's okay.. or their faith is that strong with their pastor Lawless... who knows what floats people's boats... He sure didn't sound pleased the media was there. He's hard to figure out, if he's ticked at MH or ticked at the invasion into his life and his church by the media... haven't figured that one out yet..:confused:

well he did on Easter when he had more media than members..but would not allow them in the kitchen/Sunday school room..I guess you maybe right dino but I could not bare walking in there not knowing what may have happened to a sweet child behind those doors...:crying:

[aproudmom]

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/
I see the website has been pretty much shut down I think there had only been like a few hundred views and now it is 44012 views..guess they got sick of the nasty comments on the website or either MH ran it..you can read the bible on it if you want

[dinojen]

I don't care to mix politics with who's hearing this case and I don't think it will get moved out of the area. Read to many articles while I was googling these judges how the county feels about change of venue when there is no money and the expense it costs.

If the trial is in Stockton.. that's a huge county San Joaquin that they can pick a jury pool from they don't need to select from Tracy...

If they do request a change of venue.. I'll be surprised if it's granted.. and I think this judge will do just fine.. what I have read about her seems she's pretty fair.. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

I wish these reporters could get some facts right. The church is NOT 2 miles away from the mobile home park... It MAY be 2/10 of a mile away. :cursing:

You are right, oodi.

I believe one of the reporters on scene said that the church was 200 yards away from the entrance of the MHP.

The irrigation pond is around 2 miles away, right?

imo

[oodi]

I know is the site she was dumped like 2 miles not the church you can see it from the entrance of the MH park

Yes... where her body was found is 2 or 3 miles away.

When I see incorrect info being reported (in other cases too) it just makes me wonder how much we hear/read is actual fact and how much is just to get readers/viewers.

[aproudmom]

I don't care to mix politics with who's hearing this case and I don't think it will get moved out of the area. Read to many articles while I was googling these judges how the county feels about change of venue when there is no money and the expense it costs.

If the trial is in Stockton.. that's a huge county San Joaquin that they can pick a jury pool from they don't need to select from Tracy...

If they do request a change of venue.. I'll be surprised if it's granted.. and I think this judge will do just fine.. what I have read about her seems she's pretty fair.. JMO

O gosh I was joking dino if your talking about me..sorry I think she sounds fine also..

[aproudmom]

Yes... where her body was found is 2 or 3 miles away.

When I see incorrect info being reported (in other cases too) it just makes me wonder how much we hear/read is actual fact and how much is just to get readers/viewers.

I know there is a lot of times I am screaming at the TV they get it wrong so much..

[dinojen]

O gosh I was joking dino if your talking about me..sorry I think she sounds fine also..

Nahhhhhhhhh.. have no worries... I've just had it up to my eyeballs with politics and all politicians...:rolleyes:

She does sound good doesn't she.. she seems to be very fair.. I can't imagine sitting on the bench and holding in your emotions on some of these cases.. has to be extremely hard to do.


But I dooooooooooo soooooooo love those new little VW beetles.. lol:wub:

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Report about the little girl drugged in January.

[aproudmom]

I have a strong feeling this case will get a change of venue and hopefully another judge....Although there will be enormous pressure on a Democrat or Republican judge to prosecute MH to the inth of the law. I am still glad the other judge was recused because it may have caused a mistrial.
To me there is NADA about MH to defend, the policeman was cleared of the alleged rape....she has evidently been so spolied in her life that she can't cope with being told NO and other people's Rules of Life.

She has already escaped too much punishment and IF LL remains Judge, she will get some very strong letters from Californians like me who will point that out...BUT, for all we know, LL may well take a strong dislike to Huckaby's machinations.

so you think they will ask for a change of venue? I guess it is hard for me to understand all that since I am from a very small town so thank goodness we do not have to deal with the horrific crimes ..there has been a few murder cases but they stayed in the county the highest profile case was Jill Bearman and not to far away the murder of little Katie Colman..

I do agree MH has been allowed to break the law for to long and if she had been convicted to jail perhaps a child would be alive today,...

[dinojen]

High-profile DA to prosecute suspect in Tracy girl’s slaying (11:49 a.m.)
By The Record
April 13, 2009 - 2:50 PM

STOCKTON – A San Joaquin County deputy district attorney who has put two murderers on California’s death row said today he’ll prosecute Melissa Huckaby, a Tracy woman suspected of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Prosecutor Thomas Testa said that in Tuesday’s court hearing – Huckaby’s first in this case since her Friday arrest – he will make a motion for the judge to issue a gag order.

Testa said he fears the high-profile risks a change of venue to another county, which would be expensive to taxpayers and become problematic to prosecute.

“Overall, it’s mechanically, procedurally, less burdensome to try it in our own county rather than elsewhere,” Testa said. “If something should be said that would be admissible, that hurts our case here.”


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/90413008/-1/WAP&template=wapart


Only reason I'm thinking they would turn down a change of venue is because our state is so cash strapped..I could be wrong.. I can't imagine where they could move it to that someone wouldn't of heard about this case.. they have been on every news outlet and talk show..:confused:

[aproudmom]

Nahhhhhhhhh.. have no worries... I've just had it up to my eyeballs with politics and all politicians...:rolleyes:

She does sound good doesn't she.. she seems to be very fair.. I can't imagine sitting on the bench and holding in your emotions on some of these cases.. has to be extremely hard to do.


But I dooooooooooo soooooooo love those new little VW beetles.. lol:wub:

o OK I like them also..my aunt has one..and ITA I have ask my Brother-In-Law how these Judges do it he has not had to do any murder cases since he has been a judge only one when he was the asst prosecutor several years ago..I just don't know how you can be human and some cases not effect you in some way..this case will be very hard I can not even imagine..I think she sounds like a fair judge..JMO from what I have read..

[aproudmom]

High-profile DA to prosecute suspect in Tracy girl’s slaying (11:49 a.m.)
By The Record
April 13, 2009 - 2:50 PM

STOCKTON – A San Joaquin County deputy district attorney who has put two murderers on California’s death row said today he’ll prosecute Melissa Huckaby, a Tracy woman suspected of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.

Prosecutor Thomas Testa said that in Tuesday’s court hearing – Huckaby’s first in this case since her Friday arrest – he will make a motion for the judge to issue a gag order.

Testa said he fears the high-profile risks a change of venue to another county, which would be expensive to taxpayers and become problematic to prosecute.

“Overall, it’s mechanically, procedurally, less burdensome to try it in our own county rather than elsewhere,” Testa said. “If something should be said that would be admissible, that hurts our case here.”


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/90413008/-1/WAP&template=wapart


Only reason I'm thinking they would turn down a change of venue is because our state is so cash strapped..I could be wrong.. I can't imagine where they could move it to that someone wouldn't of heard about this case.. they have been on every news outlet and talk show..:confused:

I agree who has not heard about this case all of America has watched it since the day she went missing just like Casey A. where in the heck could they move it to..

[aproudmom]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Mother%20pointed%20finger%20at%20Huckaby%20early%2 0on%20=&id=2425522-Mother+pointed+finger+at+Huckaby+early+on&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Report about the little girl drugged in January.

They are talking about this on HLN

[dinojen]

I agree who has not heard about this case all of America has watched it since the day she went missing just like Casey A. where in the heck could they move it to..

That's what I'm saying... why assume the cost when everyone in the nation has heard this story.. it's been on tv almost nightly, the memorial was televised... nationally... the family has been on national tv... where are they going to move it to that will be less prejudice.. don't think you can find any place.. JMHO

[aproudmom]

That's what I'm saying... why assume the cost when everyone in the nation has heard this story.. it's been on tv almost nightly, the memorial was televised... nationally... the family has been on national tv... where are they going to move it to that will be less prejudice.. don't think you can find any place.. JMHO

There is no where IMO I know it could be a year or even more but I still feel it does not matter everything is out there we have all read and watched this since day 1 and for one I will never forget about this case even though I am very far away I have said the same about CA case everything there is public with the sunshine laws there is no way moving her trial would make a difference..I have no idea but imo it will not matter I would hope that 12 people could give her a fair trial it happens everyday so I will just put my trust in our Justice system..

[aproudmom]

well time to cook dinner.:thumbdown:.have a wonderful evening everyone...:seeya:

[dinojen]

Seating by lottery for Huckaby arraignment
by TP staff

Those who want to attend the Friday arraignment for Tracy murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, will have to enter a raffle earlier in the day to see if they win a seat.

Only nine reporters will have designated spots at the hearing, and 17 other reporters will be chosen the same morning in a drawing, according to the San Joaquin County Superior Court.

Members of the public will get a chance to enter the drawing at 11 a.m. that day, though the courts still have to decide how many to let inside. The arraignment is scheduled for 12:45 p.m. Friday. The public and reporters without designated seats will have to show up at 11 a.m. to enter the raffle. The courtroom opens at 12:15 p.m.

Judge Linda Lofthus, who now presides over the case, signed an order on Tuesday to bar video, still cameras and audio recorders inside the courtroom during the hearing.


BUMMER !!!!!

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2432585-Seating+by+lottery+for+Huckaby+arraignment&article-Seating%20by%20lottery%20for%20Huckaby%20arraignme nt%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[oodi]

Seating by lottery for Huckaby arraignment
by TP staff

Those who want to attend the Friday arraignment for Tracy murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, will have to enter a raffle earlier in the day to see if they win a seat.

Only nine reporters will have designated spots at the hearing, and 17 other reporters will be chosen the same morning in a drawing, according to the San Joaquin County Superior Court.

Members of the public will get a chance to enter the drawing at 11 a.m. that day, though the courts still have to decide how many to let inside. The arraignment is scheduled for 12:45 p.m. Friday. The public and reporters without designated seats will have to show up at 11 a.m. to enter the raffle. The courtroom opens at 12:15 p.m.

Judge Linda Lofthus, who now presides over the case, signed an order on Tuesday to bar video, still cameras and audio recorders inside the courtroom during the hearing.


BUMMER !!!!!

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2432585-Seating+by+lottery+for+Huckaby+arraignment&article-Seating%20by%20lottery%20for%20Huckaby%20arraignme nt%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Double BUMMER!!!!

[trucrime]

Why do we care what the Judge drives..lol. omg I see a Democrat:thumbdown: nah get rid of this judge I read enough:biggrin:

Linda Lofthus, a Democrat who drives a Volkswagen Beetle, is a child of the 1960s and attended California State University, Chico. As an attorney, she worked in the San Joaquin County Public Defender's Office before going into private practice.

Why should her political party or what kind of car she drives be an issue at all? lol @ the thumbdown, when a Republican President got the country into the fiscal mess it is. JMO.

[Texas48]

Good Morning everyone..well wonder what the plea will be..duh Not Guilty...she should be smart and just plea this one if they put a plea up the DA may not want to give her any type of a plea other than LWOP instead of DP....IMO she will never be found insane and not fit to stand trial..it is a lot harder than a lot think..she knew she did wrong she tried to cover it up even telling media stuff nope she is a Sick EVIL person but not Insane..JMO.hello mom..just now getting to read here today..see not much going on..I'm surprised. Maybe she has an attorney that will be honest with her and advise hher it may be best to plead guilty...of course the decesion is hers..I don't think MH is insane either..she knows what she has done. JMO as always.

[MoonFlwr]

Judge Linda Lofthus, who now presides over the case, signed an order on Tuesday to bar video, still cameras and audio recorders inside the courtroom during the hearing.


BUMMER !!!!!

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2432585-Seating+by+lottery+for+Huckaby+arraignment&article-Seating%20by%20lottery%20for%20Huckaby%20arraignme nt%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

(snipped to comment on one point)

Gosh-darn it, Linda! What's up with that!? :wink:

Come on Lindy, there are trial buffs out there who need coverage like normal people need oxygen!

(Ah well, I GUESS with the sensationalism that goes with this case it PROBABLY makes sense to not have live coverage) Did *I* just say that!?

[Ice Cycle]

Where do these people come from? I know where they need to go.

http://my.att.net/s/editorial.dll?pnum=1&bfromind=7406&eeid=6527472&_sitecat=1522&dcatid=0&eetype=article&render=y&ac=-2&ck=&ch=ne&rg=blsadstrgt&_lid=332&_lnm=tg+ne+topnews&ck=

[dinojen]

WOW... check KCRA.com later. just listened to a report on the 5 o'clock news. FBI was at a church up in WA where the grandfather I think they said use to be a pastor.. asking questions.. then they said something about child abuse questions.. but the reporters said they could find no charges ever filed. This is just coming out and there is nothing on their website yet. But they said more news on it at 11...:confused:

Going to look and see if I can find something on this news... BRB

[Anakerie]

WOW... check KCRA.com later. just listened to a report on the 5 o'clock news. FBI was at a church up in WA where the grandfather I think they said use to be a pastor.. asking questions.. then they said something about child abuse questions.. but the reporters said they could find no charges ever filed. This is just coming out and there is nothing on their website yet. But they said more news on it at 11...:confused:

Going to look and see if I can find something on this news... BRB
Whoa! Wouldn't you know something would hit the fan on the first day I didn't have KCRA on at 5!! Geez... I'll have to watch the 6pm edition...

[oodi]

Whoa! Wouldn't you know something would hit the fan on the first day I didn't have KCRA on at 5!! Geez... I'll have to watch the 6pm edition...

Anakerie,

They said Mike Teselle was on his way to WA and would have a full report at 11pm... not sure how much there will be at 6pm.

[dinojen]

You want more....:huh:

Medical Examiner In Cantu Case Back In Spotlight
Public Defender Questions Doctor's Objectivity

SAN FRANCISCO -- Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old -- an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

The 40-year-old neuropathologist gained national media attention for his research on the damaged brains of dead NFL players.

He is also a government witness in a federal corruption case against his former boss, celebrity pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has earned millions of dollars investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Elvis Presley and JonBenet Ramsey.

In a phone interview with The Associated Press before a judge issued a gag order in the case, Public Defender Peter Fox questioned Omalu's objectivity.

Several attorneys in his office have complained that Omalu's opinions in other homicide cases they were defending were biased toward the prosecution, said Fox, who declined to detail specific cases where defense attorneys have questioned Omalu's work.

Omalu could not comment on Fox's claims because of the gag order, according a San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19265920/detail.html





Here we go... get in line for your E ticket rides... this is going to be a wild ride IMO.


Oh.. tried to find more on Lawless's connection in WA...but he was ordained there back in 1960 I think.. and the child abuse accusations didn't come about till 1994-95 so it might be much ado about nothing.. will have to listen to the 11 news and see what they say...:confused:


For those of you to young...lol... Disneyland use to sell books for rides and you got so many with different letters and the E tickets were for the good rides... I still have some in my scrapbook....rotflmbo..

[oodi]

Another tidbit of new info regarding the ME in this case:

http://www.kcra.com/news/19265920/detail.html

[Anakerie]

Anakerie,

They said Mike Teselle was on his way to WA and would have a full report at 11pm... not sure how much there will be at 6pm.
I may have to stay up late tonight and catch the 11pm news then... I wonder how much he'll be able to come up with by 11, though..

[meadowlark]

You want more....:huh:

Medical Examiner In Cantu Case Back In Spotlight
Public Defender Questions Doctor's Objectivity

SAN FRANCISCO -- Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old -- an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

The 40-year-old neuropathologist gained national media attention for his research on the damaged brains of dead NFL players.

He is also a government witness in a federal corruption case against his former boss, celebrity pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht, who has earned millions of dollars investigating high-profile deaths, including those of Elvis Presley and JonBenet Ramsey.

In a phone interview with The Associated Press before a judge issued a gag order in the case, Public Defender Peter Fox questioned Omalu's objectivity.

Several attorneys in his office have complained that Omalu's opinions in other homicide cases they were defending were biased toward the prosecution, said Fox, who declined to detail specific cases where defense attorneys have questioned Omalu's work.

Omalu could not comment on Fox's claims because of the gag order, according a San Joaquin County Sheriff's spokesman.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19265920/detail.html





Here we go... get in line for your E ticket rides... this is going to be a wild ride IMO.


Oh.. tried to find more on Lawless's connection in WA...but he was ordained there back in 1960 I think.. and the child abuse accusations didn't come about till 1994-95 so it might be much ado about nothing.. will have to listen to the 11 news and see what they say...:confused:


For those of you to young...lol... Disneyland use to sell books for rides and you got so many with different letters and the E tickets were for the good rides... I still have some in my scrapbook....rotflmbo..

interesting... there was a huge child porn sex ring witchhunt up in wenatchee during 94-95. later the convictions were overturned. it was a HUGE deal. but if I remember right this was at a penecostal church with the pastor and his wife and others.

maybe there was another church involved in the same years. they were probably accusing the whole town at this time; 94-95. it got really out of hand.. people's convictions were overturned and they sued for a LOT of money.

[oodi]

I may have to stay up late tonight and catch the 11pm news then... I wonder how much he'll be able to come up with by 11, though..


Not sure... maybe he was already up there and working on it, but won't have his report ready until 11.

[MoonFlwr]

Here we go... get in line for your E ticket rides... this is going to be a wild ride IMO.

For those of you to young...lol... Disneyland use to sell books for rides and you got so many with different letters and the E tickets were for the good rides... I still have some in my scrapbook....rotflmbo..

(Respectfully snipped!)

rofl! How cute! :biggrin:

[oodi]

(Respectfully snipped!)

rofl! How cute! :biggrin:

And there were never enough E tickets in the booklet! :sad:

[dinojen]

And there were never enough E tickets in the booklet! :sad:

How true... you could only ride Dumbo and the tea cups so many times...:tonguewag:

Man that was a long time ago.. I'm dating myself.:scared:

[oodi]

How true... you could only ride Dumbo and the tea cups so many times...:tonguewag:

Man that was a long time ago.. I'm dating myself.:scared:

LOL... we're BOTH dating ourselves! :scared:

There is finally an article on KCRA from the report on the 5pm news.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19266204/detail.html

[dinojen]

LOL... we're BOTH dating ourselves! :scared:

There is finally an article on KCRA from the report on the 5pm news.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19266204/detail.html

Thanks... I have a feeling his dealings with any church organization was long before 1995 sexual abuse issues... wow...everyday another twist..
this plus on top of the issue now with the pathologists... all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Oh wait.. I forgot... GAG ORDER...:angry:

[meadowlark]

LOL... we're BOTH dating ourselves! :scared:

There is finally an article on KCRA from the report on the 5pm news.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19266204/detail.html

hmm even more interesting. if true, that it is a church close to the wash/idaho border, that is NOT WENATCHEE... Wenatche is about 200 miles from the wa/id border... so what church were they at? asking about CLL.

or did the news make a mistake about the wa/id border area?

pretty interesting.

[oodi]

Thanks... I have a feeling his dealings with any church organization was long before 1995 sexual abuse issues... wow...everyday another twist..
this plus on top of the issue now with the pathologists... all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Oh wait.. I forgot... GAG ORDER...:angry:


Hopefully, the 11pm news will be interesting and informative.

[meadowlark]

they were at

THE FIRST CHURCH OF GOD
CLARKSTON, WASHINGTON

that is 226 miles from wenatchee church,
and this is the first chruch of God, not part of the Baptist churches CLL belonged to.

hmmmm

[oodi]

hmm even more interesting. if true, that it is a church close to the wash/idaho border, that is NOT WENATCHEE... Wenatche is about 200 miles from the wa/id border... so what church were they at? asking about CLL.

or did the news make a mistake about the wa/id border area?

pretty interesting.

Clarkston, WA in Asotin County.

Looking at the map, it looks like it's one town separated by the Snake River, but called Clarkston on the WA side and Lewiston on the ID side.

[meadowlark]

"They were trying to put the pieces of their puzzle together. They were asking about certain people who might be able to lead them to other people. But I do not know exactly what they were looking for," Pastor Bill Creutzberg said by phone.

they must be tracking someone, and I really doubt they went up there to ask about MELISSA HUCKABY.

they want to be lead to other people...what other people.

if they know who the other people are, why do they need someone else to lead them to them... and you know they don't need to be led to Melissa, they KNOW where she is.

thank goodness the FEDS jumped in here right off.

[oodi]

They are searching the Clover Road Baptist Church again today????

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1172/reftab/36/t/Search-Underway-at-Clover-Road-Baptist-Church/Default.aspx

[meadowlark]

They are searching the Clover Road Baptist Church again today????

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1172/reftab/36/t/Search-Underway-at-Clover-Road-Baptist-Church/Default.aspx

hmmm again. guess they had new info to be able to do that.

I wonder if this info is coming from melissa?

[Anakerie]

Does anyone else follow the Blink on Crime blog? He's got an interesting entry up this evening... And he talks about both Grampa Huckaby and about the latest FBI visit to the church.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/23/sandra-cantu-case-fbi-investigating-huckabys-grandpa-lawless/

[oodi]

They left the church with something 'rolled up in tubes' according to the reporter. I wonder if it was something Melissa had hidden and has now told them about?
Thanks for the link!


Click on the other videos below that first one, it looked like the "rolled up tubes" were actually blinds that had been pulled all the way up before being removed from the window. It looked like the pull strings dangling as they carried them away. There were 2 of them taken.

[oodi]

hmmm again. guess they had new info to be able to do that.

I wonder if this info is coming from melissa?


I was wondering the same thing... wondering if maybe she is cooperating in return for a plea deal.

[oodi]

Does anyone else follow the Blink on Crime blog? He's got an interesting entry up this evening... And he talks about both Grampa Huckaby and about the latest FBI visit to the church.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/23/sandra-cantu-case-fbi-investigating-huckabys-grandpa-lawless/

So they were blinds... at least 2 of them... and a projection screen???

I can't imagine what evidence would have been on them, that they didn't see or find in the other 3 searches. :unsure:

[meadowlark]

Click on the other videos below that first one, it looked like the "rolled up tubes" were actually blinds that had been pulled all the way up before being removed from the window. It looked like the pull strings dangling as they carried them away. There were 2 of them taken.

yes I saw that, you can see the pull cord strings. look at the video at the bottom when they are putting them in the back of the car. you can see it really well.

here is what I think, and have thought so all along. they have stuff on film, and most likely these blinds showed up on the film too. this is just my own personal thoughts.

[Anakerie]

So they were blinds... at least 2 of them... and a projection screen???

I can't imagine what evidence would have been on them, that they didn't see or find in the other 3 searches. :unsure:

Did you see the mention of the source telling Blink about the FBI having "video evidence" that might have shown those blinds? Add the hint about videos to the stuff that they're looking at Grandpa Huckaby being associated with that church in Washington?

:scared:

[aproudmom]

Seating by lottery for Huckaby arraignment
by TP staff

Those who want to attend the Friday arraignment for Tracy murder suspect Melissa Huckaby, 28, will have to enter a raffle earlier in the day to see if they win a seat.

Only nine reporters will have designated spots at the hearing, and 17 other reporters will be chosen the same morning in a drawing, according to the San Joaquin County Superior Court.

Members of the public will get a chance to enter the drawing at 11 a.m. that day, though the courts still have to decide how many to let inside. The arraignment is scheduled for 12:45 p.m. Friday. The public and reporters without designated seats will have to show up at 11 a.m. to enter the raffle. The courtroom opens at 12:15 p.m.

Judge Linda Lofthus, who now presides over the case, signed an order on Tuesday to bar video, still cameras and audio recorders inside the courtroom during the hearing.


BUMMER !!!!!

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2432585-Seating+by+lottery+for+Huckaby+arraignment&article-Seating%20by%20lottery%20for%20Huckaby%20arraignme nt%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

O darn it what a big fat BUMMER..so no cameras..:thumbdown:
does this include the family? it looked like a small courtroom she was in the last time..and they surely make sure family has seats...well guess we will have to wait for the reporters who get in..hate it though since they don't seem to report the correct stuff all the time...sure it will be short and sweet..JMO

[aproudmom]

So they were blinds... at least 2 of them... and a projection screen???

I can't imagine what evidence would have been on them, that they didn't see or find in the other 3 searches. :unsure:

oodi are these the blinds we saw in the back of the car and was trying to figure out if they were bamboo blinds? I thought they got those out of CS place could be wrong..K got to read the link..just seen blinds and remembered some of us wondering what the blinds had to do with anything..

[Anakerie]

O darn it what a big fat BUMMER..so no cameras..:thumbdown:
does this include the family? it looked like a small courtroom she was in the last time..and they surely make sure family has seats...well guess we will have to wait for the reporters who get in..hate it though since they don't seem to report the correct stuff all the time...sure it will be short and sweet..JMO
From what I've seen and heard on the Sacramento news stations (which are also local for Stockton and Tracy) today, the hearing tomorrow will be in a different courtroom than the first hearing. They showed a picture of an empty courtroom earlier today and it looked a bit larger than the one we saw last week. They also mentioned on that news cast that the courthouse doesn't have up to date multi-media capabilities since it was built back in the 60's and hasn't been totally "modernized"... Perhaps that is part of the reason for the lack of media/cameras...

[aproudmom]

Does anyone else follow the Blink on Crime blog? He's got an interesting entry up this evening... And he talks about both Grampa Huckaby and about the latest FBI visit to the church.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/04/23/sandra-cantu-case-fbi-investigating-huckabys-grandpa-lawless/

I used to look at his site until he had so much stuff wrong and did not correct it..but did find this very interesting..guess we shall see what happens..so was this search today??

[Hannah21]

Is the hearing going to be televised?

[Anakerie]

I used to look at his site until he had so much stuff wrong and did not correct it..but did find this very interesting..guess we shall see what happens..so was this search today??
It sure looked like it from the looks of the photos and then him talking about what was taken out of the church. That matches up with the KRON video from today...

[aproudmom]

From what I've seen and heard on the Sacramento news stations (which are also local for Stockton and Tracy) today, the hearing tomorrow will be in a different courtroom than the first hearing. They showed a picture of an empty courtroom earlier today and it looked a bit larger than the one we saw last week. They also mentioned on that news cast that the courthouse doesn't have up to date multi-media capabilities since it was built back in the 60's and hasn't been totally "modernized"... Perhaps that is part of the reason for the lack of media/cameras...

oh ok thanks thought of that after I ask since there is another judge thank ya bunches

[oodi]

Did you see the mention of the source telling Blink about the FBI having "video evidence" that might have shown those blinds? Add the hint about videos to the stuff that they're looking at Grandpa Huckaby being associated with that church in Washington?

:scared:

When I first read that, I thought they meant that LE took their own video of the crime scene, which isn't unusual... but maybe they are talking about a video someone else made. But that article also says that a CSI unit was NOT on scene, yet in the video... the SUV is clearly marked "Crime Scene Unit." :unsure:

[Anakerie]

Is the hearing going to be televised?
Nope.. The judge ruled that there will be no cameras in the courtroom tomorrow. Darn it.

[oodi]

oodi are these the blinds we saw in the back of the car and was trying to figure out if they were bamboo blinds? I thought they got those out of CS place could be wrong..K got to read the link..just seen blinds and remembered some of us wondering what the blinds had to do with anything..

These are blinds that LE took from the church in another search done today.

[Anakerie]

When I first read that, I thought they meant that LE took their own video of the crime scene, which isn't unusual... but maybe they are talking about a video someone else made. But that article also says that a CSI unit was NOT on scene, yet in the video... the SUV is clearly marked "Crime Scene Unit." :unsure:
I saw that... Crazy, huh? I think everyone that is reporting on this case must be grasping at anything and everything they can in order to have a story........ The video stuff bothers me... Big time. If its CSI video of the room, why did they have to go back and get the blinds? If it's a video that they've obtained "elsewhere", the question is still there, why did they go back and get the blinds?

I'm clueless and not afraid to admit it.. lol

[meadowlark]

oodi are these the blinds we saw in the back of the car and was trying to figure out if they were bamboo blinds? I thought they got those out of CS place could be wrong..K got to read the link..just seen blinds and remembered some of us wondering what the blinds had to do with anything..

these blinds don't appear to be bamboo to me. they are white and look like venitian blinds and you can see the luever(however you spell that) handle twist thing. but I do remember the bamboo blinds mentioned before.

[aproudmom]

It sure looked like it from the looks of the photos and then him talking about what was taken out of the church. That matches up with the KRON video from today...

omg so they are looking into other churches? ofgs could this get any creeper does anyone know how this church is connected to him..the whole family even Connie Lawless brother has a church..OK glad I checked in before bed time now I will never sleep..lol..thanks Ana:wink:

[Hannah21]

Nope.. The judge ruled that there will be no cameras in the courtroom tomorrow. Darn it.

I wonder why no cameras. Are reporters allowed without a camera?

[oodi]

I saw that... Crazy, huh? I think everyone that is reporting on this case must be grasping at anything and everything they can in order to have a story........ The video stuff bothers me... Big time. If its CSI video of the room, why did they have to go back and get the blinds? If it's a video that they've obtained "elsewhere", the question is still there, why did they go back and get the blinds?

I'm clueless and not afraid to admit it.. lol

And the windows in the church are high... like eye level. It's not like they are low windows, where it would be fairly easy to get some kind of evidence on them.

Can I join your clueless club??? LOL

Geez... this case is getting weirder by the minute. :ohmy:

[meadowlark]

the way they are handling the blinds, they don't care about fingerprints on them nor dna etc....so they must be showing up on film somewhere? they are carrying them barehanded and touching them all over and so it can't be anything ON the blinds, it has to be the kind they are that match something.

[aproudmom]

these blinds don't appear to be bamboo to me. they are white and look like venitian blinds and you can see the luever(however you spell that) handle twist thing. but I do remember the bamboo blinds mentioned before.

yeah once I blew them up I could tell..they were not the same ones..this is getting odd so they are looking into grandpa..anyone think he is a little umm not sure what I want to say..we see so much these days about pastors so this would not surprise me one bit..but for the sake of children I pray it is bad reporting since the gag order was places they need to dig up stuff..but this is odd..IMO

I never liked his statements or his wife's but they were not charged so it was just a gut thing

[Anakerie]

I wonder why no cameras. Are reporters allowed without a camera?
I don't know why the judge has ruled "no cameras"... It's a bummer, for sure. But reporters will be there tomorrow, so we'll have to depend on what they say/write after the hearing is over...

[meadowlark]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds2.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds6.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds5.jpg

carrying the blinds and whatever other stuff the woman has?

[oodi]

the way they are handling the blinds, they don't care about fingerprints on them nor dna etc....so they must be showing up on film somewhere? they are carrying them barehanded and touching them all over and so it can't be anything ON the blinds, it has to be the kind they are that match something.

You're right!! Geez... now I really can't wait for the 11pm news, to see what the reporter that went to WA finds out.

[aproudmom]

I always read eyes for lies I know a lot do not believe in it but I do find her stuff very interesting even if she may get it wrong at times..it is interesting IMO I will say she has had some questions into what the Pastor does or does not know but as we all know there is not a lot of video of him for her to read off of..I was thinking he did a interview in the church anyone know? he was setting in a office...

[meadowlark]

yeah once I blew them up I could tell..they were not the same ones..this is getting odd so they are looking into grandpa..anyone think he is a little umm not sure what I want to say..we see so much these days about pastors so this would not surprise me one bit..but for the sake of children I pray it is bad reporting since the gag order was places they need to dig up stuff..but this is odd..IMO

I never liked his statements or his wife's but they were not charged so it was just a gut thing

I have not really said much about what I think about this whole case and I will still refrain from saying much, but I do think there is a lot more to this whole things, and I think there are more people involved in this, and I think it is has been going on for decades. And in many places some of these people have been. My theory is just way too far out there to say it LOL. But this is something I have been looking at for many years.

I know this, I know who I am looking for is in that area. I know they are very biblically knowledgeable. I know they have been in all the areas people in this family has been. I know they have been right there in that tracy area for many many years. The more I follow this case the more I believe these people connect to something I have been following all this time, and it won't supprise me one bit if it finally all comes out. And if so, it does not supprise me one bit that the feds are keeping this so hushed up.

I honestly believe sandra was on film somewhere. I believe these blinds are probably on film.

but we shall see, I guess, I hope; I hope they figure this all out and get to the bottom of this.

[Anakerie]

You're right!! Geez... now I really can't wait for the 11pm news, to see what the reporter that went to WA finds out.
Same here, oodi... It's so hard to connect the dots in this case because we have so little real information from the investigators... All we have are lots of rumors, observations and guesses.... **sigh**

[aproudmom]

I did find the one video of him in his bother in laws church says april 10 or 11th just incase anyone has not seen it..

Tracy Pastor Speaks Out About Cantu Girl
Lawless, whose brother-in-law is the pastor of the Alisal Baptist Church in Salinas, sat among friends and family in a pew inside the church. In one of his first TV interviews, Lawless said it's been a rough few weeks.

"There's no need to fall apart just keep going," said Lawless

http://www.kcba.com/Global/story.asp?S=10166530

[oodi]

Same here, oodi... It's so hard to connect the dots in this case because we have so little real information from the investigators... All we have are lots of rumors, observations and guesses.... **sigh**

What's gonna be next??? Maybe they will find out it's connected to this doctor in Tracy. :ohmy:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2433910-Plastic+surgeon+now+faces+civil+lawsuit&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Plastic%20surgeon%20now%20faces%20civil%20lawsuit% 20=&open=&

Tracy is getting more than it's fair share of bad publicity lately.

[aproudmom]

I have not really said much about what I think about this whole case and I will still refrain from saying much, but I do think there is a lot more to this whole things, and I think there are more people involved in this, and I think it is has been going on for decades. And in many places some of these people have been. My theory is just way too far out there to say it LOL. But this is something I have been looking at for many years.

I know this, I know who I am looking for is in that area. I know they are very biblically knowledgeable. I know they have been in all the areas people in this family has been. I know they have been right there in that tracy area for many many years. The more I follow this case the more I believe these people connect to something I have been following all this time, and it won't supprise me one bit if it finally all comes out. And if so, it does not supprise me one bit that the feds are keeping this so hushed up.

I honestly believe sandra was on film somewhere. I believe these blinds are probably on film.

but we shall see, I guess, I hope; I hope they figure this all out and get to the bottom of this.

I pray she is not but nothing will surprise me in this case

[jammies]

I have not really said much about what I think about this whole case and I will still refrain from saying much, but I do think there is a lot more to this whole things, and I think there are more people involved in this, and I think it is has been going on for decades. And in many places some of these people have been. My theory is just way too far out there to say it LOL. But this is something I have been looking at for many years.

I know this, I know who I am looking for is in that area. I know they are very biblically knowledgeable. I know they have been in all the areas people in this family has been. I know they have been right there in that tracy area for many many years. The more I follow this case the more I believe these people connect to something I have been following all this time, and it won't supprise me one bit if it finally all comes out. And if so, it does not supprise me one bit that the feds are keeping this so hushed up.

I honestly believe sandra was on film somewhere. I believe these blinds are probably on film.

but we shall see, I guess, I hope; I hope they figure this all out and get to the bottom of this.


You just chilled me to the bone, lark. And I mean in the worst way possible.

[aproudmom]

What's gonna be next??? Maybe they will find out it's connected to this doctor in Tracy. :ohmy:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2433910-Plastic+surgeon+now+faces+civil+lawsuit&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Plastic%20surgeon%20now%20faces%20civil%20lawsuit% 20=&open=&

Tracy is getting more than it's fair share of bad publicity lately.

Don't forget was a teach not also in court the same day as MH for some sort of child abuse or something would have to go back and look but do remember reading it cause he appeared in court right after her..and then I also saw the Dr. the poor people of Tracy how much more can they go through..:sad:.omg..

[juliekan]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds2.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds6.jpg

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantuchurchblinds5.jpg

carrying the blinds and whatever other stuff the woman has?

the white "blinds" could also be a pull down movie screen.(like the maps in school that they pull down)

tech carrying tool box(to remove "blinds"), forensics kit?

just guessing here...

[aproudmom]

You just chilled me to the bone, lark. And I mean in the worst way possible.

I have to agree gave me chills also..

[aproudmom]

the white "blinds" could also be a pull down movie screen.(like the maps in school that they pull down)

tech carrying tool box(to remove "blinds"), forensics kit?

just guessing here...

One thing that I do see is they have no gloves on when carrying them and placing them in the car..so not sure it would be to get prints or any DNA..there has got to be a reason for them to be hauling those out of there and now lark has me wondering what is going on..it could be the pull down screens also could not tell if there is strings on them...

[jammies]

I have to agree gave me chills also..


Something wicked this way comes.........

[meadowlark]

What's gonna be next??? Maybe they will find out it's connected to this doctor in Tracy. :ohmy:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2433910-Plastic+surgeon+now+faces+civil+lawsuit&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&article-Plastic%20surgeon%20now%20faces%20civil%20lawsuit% 20=&open=&

Tracy is getting more than it's fair share of bad publicity lately.


it is my opinion Tracy needs bad publicity. Something dark and sinister going on there for a very long time, its about time people realize tracy has a real problem. I hope it all surfaces

[meadowlark]

You just chilled me to the bone, lark. And I mean in the worst way possible.


oh gee, sorry, I did not mean to do that. ugh

certainly was not my intention to spook or scare anyone etc

[aproudmom]

it is my opinion Tracy needs bad publicity. Something dark and sinister going on there for a very long time, its about time people realize tracy has a real problem. I hope it all surfaces

I really hate to hear that but I have also noticed you have a very strong feeling and have for some time not even sure what it is but you sure got me wondering..now I am in google world lark..thanks..lol..j/k
would she actually cover for someone or actually be apart of something so dark and sinister..she seemed to really want to let the media know her GP did not do anything..and do not get me wrong he has not been charged with anything but if she knew something was going on would this not be the perfect time for her to start talking...and giving names I am wondering why the people who attend his church are not sticking up for him or MH other than the handy man a few weeks ago with the odd story about the suitcase...

[aproudmom]

oh gee, sorry, I did not mean to do that. ugh

certainly was not my intention to spook or scare anyone etc

O no glad you post your opinions even if it is alittle scary..starting to wonder if there is not alot we do not know..

[jammies]

oh gee, sorry, I did not mean to do that. ugh

certainly was not my intention to spook or scare anyone etc


Well you did!!! lol

Give us some clues as to what you think is going on, lark. You seem to know the history of this area and the people who live there. I value your thoughts on this.

[meadowlark]

I really hate to hear that but I have also noticed you have a very strong feeling and have for some time not even sure what it is but you sure got me wondering..now I am in google world lark..thanks..lol..j/k
would she actually cover for someone or actually be apart of something so dark and sinister..she seemed to really want to let the media know her GP did not do anything..and do not get me wrong he has not been charged with anything but if she knew something was going on would this not be the perfect time for her to start talking...and giving names I am wondering why the people who attend his church are not sticking up for him or MH other than the handy man a few weeks ago with the odd story about the suitcase...


its possible she would cover for someone. It is also possible she is now telling them everything she knows.

they must have had enough evidence (or they thought they did) to charge her for what they charged her for, yet they are still all over the place gathering more evidence. So why? is there more they want to prove or find out? do they not have the evidence they need so they are still looking for it? or are they trying to dig up evidence on others?

hard to say what they are doing, but they certainly are not done.
do they really need to go to wash/idaho border to prove melissa killed sandra? where are they getting the information to keep getting warrants to keep going back to the clover church. they have to be digging up new info somewhere. but why? this is still a huge on-going investigation. what more do they need to convict her. if it is in that church why didn't they get it to begin with. see they are finding out new things all the time. they might not even know what the heck they are trying to find or prove, but are figuring it out as they go.

I am convinced this is a group of people. I have been convinced of that for many years. she could very well be one of them. again, she might not be, but I would hope they just keep on looking. And they are looking at something, and I am convinced they are looking at more than just melissa, they already have her; they are going after something else IMO

[aproudmom]

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTrackerArchive/2009/04/
man alot of pastors have been charged with child porn or abuse..I guess I do live in a bubble...

[aproudmom]

its possible she would cover for someone. It is also possible she is now telling them everything she knows.

they must have had enough evidence (or they thought they did) to charge her for what they charged her for, yet they are still all over the place gathering more evidence. So why? is there more they want to prove or find out? do they not have the evidence they need so they are still looking for it? or are they trying to dig up evidence on others?

hard to say what they are doing, but they certainly are not done.
do they really need to go to wash/idaho border to prove melissa killed sandra? where are they getting the information to keep getting warrants to keep going back to the clover church. they have to be digging up new info somewhere. but why? this is still a huge on-going investigation. what more do they need to convict her. if it is in that church why didn't they get it to begin with. see they are finding out new things all the time. they might not even know what the heck they are trying to find or prove, but are figuring it out as they go.

I am convinced this is a group of people. I have been convinced of that for many years. she could very well be one of them. again, she might not be, but I would hope they just keep on looking. And they are looking at something, and I am convinced they are looking at more than just melissa, they already have her; they are going after something else IMO

you know if you listen to their interviews they only say there is no one else charged with the kidnapping a murder of Sandra..I have also wondered if there was not much more..and they are keeping it quite I pray I am wrong but I do see it happens and when I said would she cover up for someone I guess I meant if there was more to it and as we know she has been charged with this case but does not mean they are not asking her about other things to perhaps getting a lighter sentence..I don't know but this is getting a little odd or creepy IMO...so I guess I will see what happens I pray no other children have been harmed..well I am off to Google land before bed time...

Night lark and anyone else that is on..I will need 3 cups of lattes from dino in the morning..lol..

[aproudmom]

Talk about creepy this guy is my eye Doctors son..:scared:
Jurors barely took time for lunch before announcing early this afternoon they had found 24-year-old Eddie Uyesugi guilty of battery and criminal confinement charges stemming from a religious ceremony in 2007 held to cast demons from a 14-year-old autistic boy.

sorry O/T but just seen he was convicted

[meadowlark]

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTrackerArchive/2009/04/
man alot of pastors have been charged with child porn or abuse..I guess I do live in a bubble...

churches can be a very good cover, no one suspects anything.

you also can get some pretty twisted beliefs in some of them. A lot of killers have a lot of biblical knowledge. But it is all twisted. Then they get a following or they are raised in a twisted belief, and who knows what goes on, yet no one suspects them because they are all part of "the church".

there is something very SPECIAL about Tracy. If you look at the maps you will see all the references to the bible. It is a perfect place for these weirdos. They choose certain areas for their "kindgoms". if you really look at it you will see it on the maps.

As weird as it seems, there are people who do this stuff. I don't know if this case has anything to do with this or not, but from the beginning I suspected it did, and the more I follow it the more it just keeps fitting the pattern. So I just keep waiting to see.

IF something like this is going on, the feds will keep this so hushed up. they always do. they do not want the public to know what is going on. sounds crazy, but if you ever really study this stuff it is easy to spot it.

[aproudmom]

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

SAN FRANCISCO — Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old--an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

[aproudmom]

churches can be a very good cover, no one suspects anything.

you also can get some pretty twisted beliefs in some of them. A lot of killers have a lot of biblical knowledge. But it is all twisted. Then they get a following or they are raised in a twisted belief, and who knows what goes on, yet no one suspects them because they are all part of "the church".

there is something very SPECIAL about Tracy. If you look at the maps you will see all the references to the bible. It is a perfect place for these weirdos. They choose certain areas for their "kindgoms". if you really look at it you will see it on the maps.

As weird as it seems, there are people who do this stuff. I don't know if this case has anything to do with this or not, but from the beginning I suspected it did, and the more I follow it the more it just keeps fitting the pattern. So I just keep waiting to see.

IF something like this is going on, the feds will keep this so hushed up. they always do. they do not want the public to know what is going on. sounds crazy, but if you ever really study this stuff it is easy to spot it.

lark just wanted to let you know I have read tons of blogs and comments and what you are saying alot of people are also thinking the same...I was actaully shocked how many feel that way..but alot do...

[aproudmom]

looks like this is being talked about every where..can any one read it..lol

4/11/2009 20:48 - (SA)

Melissa Huckaby. (San Juan-polisie)


Kalifornië

’n Sondagskoolonderwyseres is gearresteer oor die ontvoering van en moord op ’n agtjarige meisie wie se lyk in ’n tas gekry is.

Me. Melissa Huckaby (28) is Vrydag gearresteer nadat die polisie haar vyf uur lank ondervra het.

Die meisie, Sandra Cantu, het op 27 Maart in Tracy vermis geraak. Honderde vrywilligers en polisielede het na haar gesoek.

Op 6 April het plaaswerkers ’n leidam leeggetap en afgekom op ’n tas met Sandra se lyk daarin.

Huckaby het vroeër gesê Sandra het die dag van haar verdwyning by haar huis opgedaag om met haar vyfjarige dogter te speel. Sy het Sandra glo weggewys omdat haar dogter haar speelgoed moes wegpak. Sandra is toe glo na ’n ander maatjie toe.

Huckaby het ook gesê sy het die tas in die oprit gelos en dat dit weg is.

Sy is die kleindogter van past. Clifford Lawless, leraar van die kerk waar sy Sondagskool gehou het.

Sy sal Dinsdag in die hof verskyn.

[Riverwalk!]

Huckaby's SoCal Neighbors Speak Out About Fires
http://www.ktvu.com/news/19266858/detail.html#-

Wanda called 911 when the second fire broke out and says emergency crews found Huckaby and her daughter inside.

"He knocked on the door ... I don't know how many times," remembered Wanda. "Eventually she came to the door. She just came to the door looking as if 'What?'"

Terry also remembered the authorities having trouble getting Huckaby out of the house.

"Melissa claims she didn't hear the boom. Didn't know the house was on fire," said Terry. "The police and the fire department almost had to kick the door down to get in."

[Themis]

New thread started for Friday, April 24

[aproudmom]

Just figured I would post MH Grandpas history since we are hearing another church has been search

Pastor Lane Lawless was saved in Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee. Elder A.A. Harris administered the ordinance. He was called to the ministry on April 6, 1971 and ordained August 20, 1971 by the Winton MBC.

Pastor Lawless received his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute of Salinas and the Baptist Theological Seminary of Hayward. He also studied under the tutelage of Eld. A.A. Harris.

The churches Elder Lawless has pastored are Beacon MBC of Redding and Grace MBC of Gardena. In 1975, he was sent out by Salinas MBC to do mission work in Eureka. He then pastured Sovereign Grace MBC of Mountain View, and has been pastor at the Clover Road Baptist Church since 1981.

Pastor Lawless' wife, Connie, is the daughter of A.A. and Irene Harris. They were married by Eld. Harris on July 9, 1960 in Modesto, CA. They have three grown children Brian, Brett, and Joni, who are all involved in God's work, and nine beloved grandchildren.

According to Lawless, he lived in Salinas in the early 1980s, and now lives in Space 57 at Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park - the same mobile home park where Sandra lived with her mom, grandparents and siblings before her March 27 disappearance.

Lawless said he lived in Salinas for about a year while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary. Lawless said he also lived in Livermore and made the one-and-a-half hour commute to Salinas when he taught and preached at the institute.

Pastor Arthur Harris of the Alisal Baptist Church said the institute is still around but hasn't had any students or staff for a couple of years.

Harris, who said he is Lawless' brother-in-law, has known Lawless since the 1950s. He described Lawless as "one of the most kind and gentle persons" he knows but understands the reason why police questioned him.

The police have to do what they have to do," Harris, 66, said adding that with Lawless' ailing health, "He saves all his energy for Sunday mornings."


C L Lawless
Clane Lawless
Clifford L Lawless
Clifford Lane Lawless
Cliford L Lawless
Lane C Lawless
Lane P Lawless
Clifford L Alwless
Tracy , CA
Livermore , CA
Hawthorne , CA
San Jose , CA
Milpitas , CA
Brett Arthur Lawless


Connie Lane Lawless
Livermore , CA
Tracy , CA
San Jose , CA
Clifford Lane Lawless
Joni I Lawless

http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=Lawless&searchState=CA&searchCity=San%20Jose&adID=6196004071&adsource=9&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people

[aproudmom]

Huckaby's SoCal Neighbors Speak Out About Fires
http://www.ktvu.com/news/19266858/detail.html#-

Wanda called 911 when the second fire broke out and says emergency crews found Huckaby and her daughter inside.

"He knocked on the door ... I don't know how many times," remembered Wanda. "Eventually she came to the door. She just came to the door looking as if 'What?'"

Terry also remembered the authorities having trouble getting Huckaby out of the house.

"Melissa claims she didn't hear the boom. Didn't know the house was on fire," said Terry. "The police and the fire department almost had to kick the door down to get in."

omg:scared:

[aproudmom]

New thread started for Friday, April 24

are we starting another one or just adding in the date since there is not 1000 post?

[KittyMom]

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&article-Medical%20examiner%20in%20Huckaby%20case%20back%20 in%20spotlight%20=&id=2434025-Medical+examiner+in+Huckaby+case+back+in+spotlight&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

SAN FRANCISCO — Though Melissa Huckaby's attorneys plan to withdraw their motion to exhume Sandra Cantu's body, the prosecution and defense remain on a collision course over the forensic evidence from her autopsy.

The defense is attacking the credibility of the pathologist whose findings will be used to support charges that Melissa Huckaby raped the 8-year-old--an allegation that could bring the death penalty if the one-time Sunday school aide is convicted. Huckaby is scheduled to make her second court appearance Friday.

At the center of the conflict is San Joaquin County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Bennet Omalu, who has been in the spotlight before.

At the same time, genital injuries in children can occur during normal childhood activities such as running and jumping, Murphy said. :rolleyes: The law professor needs to stick with law.

[aproudmom]

I never remember reading anything about Sunday School before on the website...:scared:

http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.com/SUNDAY_SCHOOL.htm
This page contains our Sunday School Lessons. The Alisal church, which is located in Salinas California, is one of our sister churches that provides us with these lessons. Their pastor, Elder A.D. Harris, puts these together so that our church and many other churches around the world, can study, and learn more about the bible.

Our class is led by Xavier Huerta. With scripture from the Kings James Bible and from participation from our members and visitors, we hope to come out of our Sunday School Classes with a better understanding of scripture. You can access any of the lessons by selecting the title of the lesson under the dates.


Mathew 13:3-9 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: "Behold, a sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Mathew 13:18-23 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

[aproudmom]

OK got to go to bed all this googling is really giving me a headache..and I just keep seeing things that scare me...not even in this case but others...I do want to make it clear any post on MH family does not mean I feel they are guilty of anything but as we see everyday there is one more crazy story in the media the fires and now the search of another church which LE came not confirm due to the gag order..and a lot of it links right back to MH or perhaps her family..I just pray no other children have been harmed this is a sad enough story...as I was looking on the wonderful world of the net I can across the link below I was in shock that this has gone on so much not that any of their churches have done wrong guess I was just never aware of it.I have no clue about all these Church's but this really caught my eye only because of the town and state...but the years are so far apart and once again I am not saying that I know what church they have searched that is alleged to be linked to the family..is this the one that someone said he was looked into on? I just have to say this case gets more crazy by the day and I thought the Anthony case was crazy..at this time the only person who has been arrested is MH but IMO as lark said why the other searches they have her already why another search of the her grandparents church which has had several services since Sandra was murdered..and removing what looks to be blinds or a screen they have to have reason to go and search these places..

Pastor Lane Lawless was saved in Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee.

http://www.seattlepi.com/powertoharm/
The town of Wenatchee, Wash., made world headlines in 1994 and 1995when police and state social workers undertook what was then called the nation's most extensive child sex-abuse investigation.

By the time it was done, at least 60 adults were arrested on 29,726 charges of child-sex abuse involving 43 children. Many of the accused were poor or developmentally disabled. Many cases were settled on the strength of confessions taken down by Wenatchee police Detective Bob Perez.

Twenty-two of the 43 people charged in Wenatchee were women. Nationwide, nine out of 10 people accused of child sex crimes are male.



This broke my heart for all these kids I know they found there may have been some major issues in this and all these allegations may have not have happened but even if 1 child is harmed it is 1 to many.:crying:

[KittyMom]

This case is just horrifying. Another sick twist with each new day.