Michelle Fisher Young 4-22-09 thru 5-21-09

[Tia]

continue here....

[trucrime]

Jerry50 brought up a good point on the last thread. If Jason had an airtight alibi, he wouldnt be the focus of the investigation now would he? Although I suspect if he actually had that airtight alibi, he would be willing to speak to police to help clear him and help the investigation. JMO.

[Tia]

Jerry50 brought up a good point on the last thread. If Jason had an airtight alibi, he wouldnt be the focus of the investigation now would he? Although I suspect if he actually had that airtight alibi, he would be willing to speak to police to help clear him and help the investigation. JMO.

Yeah. Its pretty obvious he is guilty, IMO.

[Tia]

Good Morning, Tia. Just finished reading the end of yesterdays thread, it sure ended with a bang, huh ? LOL...sleuthing should be left to the adept, not inept wouldn't you say ? Although it was refreshing to see a JII actually research something, even if it was the wrong something...:lol:

:smile:

Thankfully it got straightened out right away!!!

[Kat4Eagles]

Good Morning, Tia. Just finished reading the end of yesterdays thread, it sure ended with a bang, huh ? LOL...sleuthing should be left to the adept, not inept wouldn't you say ? Although it was refreshing to see a JII actually research something, even if it was the wrong something...:lol:


Gosh, was it as bad as the time a JDI poster announced here to the whole world that Michelle's only sister was about to be arrested for mishandling her niece's funds?

Gosh, that must have been something that could never be recovered from !!
Something that one could never be able to gain credibility or being taken seriously again?

Oh, wait, it was!!
Carry on!!
:biggrin:

Kat

[jerry50]

I'm bringing this over from the last thread because it didn't get a reply from the alibi believers.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles
His alibi must still stand, otherwise he wouldn't be free.

Kat



Do you have a link or anything to back up your assumption that his alibi still stands? Otherwise, it is merely a rumor, and CW asks for links to such.
Unless you otherwise state it is only your opinion, which I don't think you did.
Thanxxxx.

If JY had an airtight alibi he would be talking to LE, would have paid for his wife's funeral and would not have given up custody of his daughter. JMO

If he could prove to LE that he did not have the opportunity to kill Michelle LE would not have spent the last 2 1/2 years serving search warrants that are aimed at Jason Lynn Young. JMO

[Tia]

I'm bringing this over from the last thread because it didn't get a reply from the alibi believers.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles
His alibi must still stand, otherwise he wouldn't be free.

Kat



Do you have a link or anything to back up your assumption that his alibi still stands? Otherwise, it is merely a rumor, and CW asks for links to such.
Unless you otherwise state it is only your opinion, which I don't think you did.
Thanxxxx.

If JY had an airtight alibi he would be talking to LE, would have paid for his wife's funeral and would not have given up custody of his daughter. JMO

If he could prove to LE that he did not have the opportunity to kill Michelle LE would not have spent the last 2 1/2 years serving search warrants that are aimed at Jason Lynn Young. JMO

The fact is, he would have been cleared if he had a solid alibi. Right?

[janesdeaan]

Gosh, was it as bad as the time a JDI poster announced here to the whole world that Michelle's only sister was about to be arrested for mishandling her niece's funds?

Gosh, that must have been something that could never be recovered from !!
Something that one could never be able to gain credibility or being taken seriously again?

Oh, wait, it was!!
Carry on!!
:biggrin:

Kat

No Kat, it wasn't nearly as bad as that because that wasn't true and it vilified the victims sister. This thing yesterday was just funny don't you think ? Big difference...but it was nice to see a JII researching don't you think ?:laugh:

[janesdeaan]

snipped from Jerry50's post:

"If JY had an airtight alibi he would be talking to LE, would have paid for his wife's funeral and would not have given up custody of his daughter. JMO"

Don't you think that JY's silence is the thing that makes him look the most guilty ? As many posters have stated, Jason would be screaming from the rooftops if he could clear himself, or if he knew someone else ::cough:: Meredith ::cough:: was guilty, as others have insisted. There are a ton of disastrous things that have happened to him because of his silence, the two biggest being letting his daughter go and the $15+ million he now owes for wrongful death. He also lost out on a million dollar life insurance policy, jobs...the list goes on and on. All because he won't speak, and this constant explanation we are given, that his lawyer advises him to remain silent ? What lawyer ?
Remaining silent has ruined his life, no the murder did that for him actually. IMO

[reborn]

Gosh, was it as bad as the time a JDI poster announced here to the whole world that Michelle's only sister was about to be arrested for mishandling her niece's funds?

Gosh, that must have been something that could never be recovered from !!
Something that one could never be able to gain credibility or being taken seriously again?

Oh, wait, it was!!
Carry on!!
:biggrin:

Kat

Its still on the web. Even tells where the story came from. Don't hear much from the JDIs about that. LOL

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843

[reborn]

The fact is, he would have been cleared if he had a solid alibi. Right?


How solid can sleeping in a motel room be? Isn't it up to LE tp prove he was in Raleigh not that he has to prove he wasn't?

[Barbara2]

How solid can sleeping in a motel room be? Isn't it up to LE tp prove he was in Raleigh not that he has to prove he wasn't?

Another poster claimed that he had a solid alibi but didn't have a link to back up that claim. Some were questioning the validity of that claim. IMO

[Tia]

Wrong. Is this the first case you've ever followed? Do you really think cops believe everything a suspect tells them?

A SOLID alibi, something concrete that LE doesn't require a statement from JY.

Hope that helps!

[jerry50]

The fact is, he would have been cleared if he had a solid alibi. Right?

Yes, I believe so. If he had actually been at the hotel all night his phone would have been pinging. Have you seen where LE in Orlando has a record of all of the pings and calls from Casey's cell phone ona chart? They can tell what her patterns are and where she is.
I would bet that LE has done the same thing with JY. Would anyone believe that his phone would have been turned off that night when he might have missed a call or text from MM? I certainly don't. For as often as they were texting and calling was that the only
night they did not contact each other? If so that is certainly a cooincidence.

[achristie]

Yes, I believe so. If he had actually been at the hotel all night his phone would have been pinging. Have you seen where LE in Orlando has a record of all of the pings and calls from Casey's cell phone ona chart? They can tell what her patterns are and where she is.
I would bet that LE has done the same thing with JY. Would anyone believe that his phone would have been turned off that night when he might have missed a call or text from MM? I certainly don't. For as often as they were texting and calling was that the only
night they did not contact each other? If so that is certainly a cooincidence.

Yes,a huge coincidence, I would say, based on his calling and texting pattern in the whole scheme of things. Just as his call to his SIL to retrieve a document from his computer. I wonder how many calls he made to MF in the past?

MOO Aggie

[janesdeaan]

How solid can sleeping in a motel room be? Isn't it up to LE tp prove he was in Raleigh not that he has to prove he wasn't?

How is he going to be able to convince anyone he was there, sleeping that nite ? He used his key ONCE when he checked in Nov 2, 2006 and the room was NEVER opened again until Nov 3, 2006 and that was by housekeeping, not Jason Young. He cannot prove his whereabouts from midnite 11/2/06 until 7:40 am 11/3/06 because he never re-entered that room !!
IMO

[janesdeaan]

Wrong. Is this the first case you've ever followed? Do you really think cops believe everything a suspect tells them?

ALIBI is the key word here, obviously if he had one, he'd be cleared. Do you not understand the meaning of the word ?

[janesdeaan]

Yes, I believe so. If he had actually been at the hotel all night his phone would have been pinging. Have you seen where LE in Orlando has a record of all of the pings and calls from Casey's cell phone ona chart? They can tell what her patterns are and where she is.
I would bet that LE has done the same thing with JY. Would anyone believe that his phone would have been turned off that night when he might have missed a call or text from MM? I certainly don't. For as often as they were texting and calling was that the only
night they did not contact each other? If so that is certainly a cooincidence.


From the search warrant
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5147063/Michelle-Young-Jason-Youngs-e-mail-account-March-10-2009

"Mr Young was discovered on a security video at the Hampton Inn in Hillsville Va.
The video was recorded at approx. 2358 hours (11:58 pm) on Nov 2, 2006 on and , in part, shows Mr Young as he headed towards a side exit door. This action closely followed a phone call at 2342 hours (11:42 pm) to Michelle Money. This phone call was not only the last transmission from Mr Youngs cell phone on Nov 2 2006, but it also signified an end to this cell phone recording a cell tower "ping" on the local cell phone tower."

To me it sounds like Jason checked in the hotel, went to his room, called Michelle Money and after that call, he turned his phone off and LEFT HIS ROOM. He is seen on the video heading towards the exit door at the hotel AFTER that phone call to MM and shutting his phone OFF. Does he sound like someone who would turn off his phone as he is LEAVING his hotel at midnite ? Not to me he doesn't, I think that phone is ON all the time except of course when he was driving BACK to Raleigh that nite, then of course he was smart enough to know to turn it off before he ever left the Hampton Inn, so of course there would be NO PINGS showing up on the WRONG TOWERS !!! IMO

[5swab5]

How solid can sleeping in a motel room be? Isn't it up to LE tp prove he was in Raleigh not that he has to prove he wasn't?

If Jason had spent the night in the Hampton Inn, he would have screamed it from the rooftops and not an attorney on this earth would have been able to stop him. AND three life altering things would be entirely different.

He would have collected the Million dollar LI policy, instead of owing the Fishers 15½ Million.

He would have PRIMARY Custody of Cassidy, instead of "custodial time" every other weekend.

And lastly, he would be known as Jason Young, widower...instead of Jason Young, slayer.

MOO

[cg007]

I am glad if Jason has to wonder everyday if he will be arrested...I wonder if his attorney knows he is guilty. Can you imagine defending a person if they outright admitted that they bludgeoned someone to death? And I use to think I would like to go to law school......

[5swab5]

Compared to the response to the misinformation about Meredith, that is very mild.

Let's see if GMBY is still in the hot seat in a couple of years!

Of course, as somebody has pointed out, GMBY's mistake is essentially harmless, unlike the other.

IMO

Ain't ever going to happen, IMO. The JDIs have too much class.

The poster that made a mistake early on in this case has been mercilessly and unfairly persecuted for his mistake, to this day. MOO

[jerry50]

You are exactly right, reborn. Sleeping in a motel room isn't all that solid but exiting/arrival at the hotel captured on video is pretty solid and Jason had no control over the security video. That hotel had multiple security cameras in place. If Jason left the hotel that night, his leaving and his return would have been captured on video and he would have been arrested immediately. The fact that he hasn't been arrested is most likely because there's no video showing his exiting or returning to the hotel that night.


Why would LE arrest JY immediately if they had video of him leaving the hotel? They still have to prove BARD that he had the time to drive to Raleigh and then have evidence BARD that he was in the room at the time of the murder.
It has been suggested before and I would like to repeat it: Watch Forensic Files and read True Crime books. To gather evidence takes time, footwork, phonecalls, followups and mountains of paperwork.
Posters would be taken more seriously if they actually knew what goes on in a murder investigation.
To continue to vilify LE is dispicable. These men and women would not be involved in this case except for the fact that they were called to a home to do their job where a young, innocent pregnant Mother was bludgeoned to death.

[Jester]

You aren't making much sense. LE determined Jason was at the hotel without his help.

Apparently this alibi is solid enough that LE can't prove he left and returned to Raleigh. :rolleyes:

Based on the search warrants, police have no information about Jason's whereabouts between 12:01 and 7:40 AM on November 3. It appears that he checked into a hotel, used his keycard to enter his room, returned to the front desk, and was last seen shortly before midnight heading towards an exit. Jason's keycard was not used again. There is no reason to assume that he returned to his room, and there is no evidence to support the argument that he returned to his room.

Police have determined that Jason was at the hotel on the evening of November 2, but they have not determined where he was during the hours in question. Jason does not have an alibi for the hours between midnight and 7:40 November 3, 2006.

[Jester]

You are exactly right, reborn. Sleeping in a motel room isn't all that solid but exiting/arrival at the hotel captured on video is pretty solid and Jason had no control over the security video. That hotel had multiple security cameras in place. If Jason left the hotel that night, his leaving and his return would have been captured on video and he would have been arrested immediately. The fact that he hasn't been arrested is most likely because there's no video showing his exiting or returning to the hotel that night.

If Jason returned to his room after going to the front desk, there would be evidence that his keycard was used. Evidence suggests that he did not return to his room, but kept on walking as he neared the exit.

[Tia]

Compared to the response to the misinformation about Meredith, that is very mild.

Let's see if GMBY is still in the hot seat in a couple of years!

Of course, as somebody has pointed out, GMBY's mistake is essentially harmless, unlike the other.

IMO


Everyone makes mistakes, so I doubt anyone will bother GBMY about a mistake that he/she admitted to making. Geez, back in the first days after Michelle's murder, it was speculated on here whether or not Meredith had something to do with it. As more info came out, it was clear that JY set her up.

[reborn]

I am glad if Jason has to wonder everyday if he will be arrested...I wonder if his attorney knows he is guilty. Can you imagine defending a person if they outright admitted that they bludgeoned someone to death? And I use to think I would like to go to law school......

Could you tell me why you think Jason has an attorney now? He got an attorney when Michelle was first killed . He is doing what that attorney advised. He got an attorney for the WDS and followed their advise. He got an attorney for the custody suit and reached an agreement. Are their charged pending against Jason that he would need an attorney now?

[trucrime]

Its still on the web. Even tells where the story came from. Don't hear much from the JDIs about that. LOL

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843

Why do you continue to link other message boards here? This is not a valid news source, much like linking this board would not be considered a valid news source. JMO.

[trucrime]

Based on the search warrants, police have no information about Jason's whereabouts between 12:01 and 7:40 AM on November 3. It appears that he checked into a hotel, used his keycard to enter his room, returned to the front desk, and was last seen shortly before midnight heading towards an exit. Jason's keycard was not used again. There is no reason to assume that he returned to his room, and there is no evidence to support the argument that he returned to his room.

Police have determined that Jason was at the hotel on the evening of November 2, but they have not determined where he was during the hours in question. Jason does not have an alibi for the hours between midnight and 7:40 November 3, 2006.

That's right, he has no soild alibi between 12 midnight on 11/2 and 7:40 AM on 11/3. No pings, no text messages or calls to MM, etc. JMO.

[reborn]

From the search warrant
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5147063/Michelle-Young-Jason-Youngs-e-mail-account-March-10-2009

"Mr Young was discovered on a security video at the Hampton Inn in Hillsville Va.
The video was recorded at approx. 2358 hours (11:58 pm) on Nov 2, 2006 on and , in part, shows Mr Young as he headed toward a side exit door. This action closely followed a phone call at 2342 hours (11:42 pm) to Michelle Money. This phone call was not only the last transmission from Mr Young's cell phone on Nov 2 2006, but it also signified an end to this cell phone recording a cell tower "ping" on the local cell phone tower."

To me it sounds like Jason checked in the hotel, went to his room, called Michelle Money and after that call, he turned his phone off and LEFT HIS ROOM. He is seen on the video heading toward the exit door at the hotel AFTER that phone call to MM and shutting his phone OFF. Does he sound like someone who would turn off his phone as he is LEAVING his hotel at midnite ? Not to me he doesn't, I think that phone is ON all the time except of course when he was driving BACK to Raleigh that nite, then of course he was smart enough to know to turn it off before he ever left the Hampton Inn, so of course there would be NO PINGS showing up on the WRONG TOWERS !!! IMO


You mention that he was seen heading toward an exit. You didn't mention that the stairs to Jason's room was also in that direction.
We have seen no photos of Jason loading his luggage back in his car. He is shown with a strap over his shoulder at check in. So we know he had at least one bag. He also changes clothes another proof he had a bag. Where did that bag go? He isn't carrying it when he is headed toward the exit or stairs.
Warrants are written to be kinda tricky. The first ping on his cell was at 7:40 south of Wytheville , Va. How far South? We don't know. If it was a mile then that would put him back at the motel about 7:05 or so.
I disagree on turning the cell off. If I was heading back to Raleigh to kill someone I would leave the cell in my room still pinging. I think Jason is that smart also. I think Jason went to bed after you saw him in the hall heading toward the stairs.

[jerry50]

What more evidence beyond security video recording comings and goings does LE need to prove Jason had opportunity? None. They don't have it and have never had it and the lack of arrest should come as no surprise to you. Posters would be taken more seriously if they actually used a little common sense.

LE are not perfect nor are they infallible. They have admitted they made mistakes collecting evidence in this case.

Just because JY may have been seen leaving the hotel which indicates possible opportunity is not enough evidence in my mind to prove he did it and I am sure LE thinks the same.

[jerry50]

You mention that he was seen heading toward an exit. You didn't mention that the stairs to Jason's room was also in that direction.
We have seen no photos of Jason loading his luggage back in his car. He is shown with a strap over his shoulder at check in. So we know he had at least one bag. He also changes clothes another proof he had a bag. Where did that bag go? He isn't carrying it when he is headed toward the exit or stairs.
Warrants are written to be kinda tricky. The first ping on his cell was at 7:40 south of Wytheville , Va. How far South? We don't know. If it was a mile then that would put him back at the motel about 7:05 or so.
I disagree on turning the cell off. If I was heading back to Raleigh to kill someone I would leave the cell in my room still pinging. I think Jason is that smart also. I think Jason went to bed after you saw him in the hall heading toward the stairs.


JY couldn't leave the phone in the room pinging because if anyone called or sent a text he would not be there to answer it. Wouldn't that look suspicious if it was MM?
He also waited until midnight to travel back to Raleigh. He was on a tight timeline. He couldn't afford to take the chance that he may not make it back to his room on time to pick up the phone.
If JY was ready to go to bed why did he take the time to change clothes to walk down the hallway? How many changes of clothes did he bring to go on an overnight trip?

[janesdeaan]

You mention that he was seen heading toward an exit. You didn't mention that the stairs to Jason's room was also in that direction.
We have seen no photos of Jason loading his luggage back in his car. He is shown with a strap over his shoulder at check in. So we know he had at least one bag. He also changes clothes another proof he had a bag. Where did that bag go? He isn't carrying it when he is headed toward the exit or stairs.
Warrants are written to be kinda tricky. The first ping on his cell was at 7:40 south of Wytheville , Va. How far South? We don't know. If it was a mile then that would put him back at the motel about 7:05 or so.
I disagree on turning the cell off. If I was heading back to Raleigh to kill someone I would leave the cell in my room still pinging. I think Jason is that smart also. I think Jason went to bed after you saw him in the hall heading toward the stairs.

Do you have a link to a photo of Jason heading towards the stairs ? I have not seen a pic like that. I did see a strap over JY's shoulder in a picture, but I have no idea what that strap held...it could have been a guitar for all I know. The picture I did see of Jason in the hallway, I couldn't tell if he had the bag over his shoulder, what I did notice was the bulky, layered-looking clothing he wore, very dark clothing. He looked 75 pounds heavier with all those clothes on, wonder why he would layer on so many clothes and so late at nite ? Where did all those clothes go, when he arrived at his mom's the next day, she said he didn't bring any clothes in with him ? Where did his other clothes disappear to ? You say if you were him and heading back to Raleigh you would leave the phone in the hotel room pinging ? Well, you think he slept in that hotel room that nite, so why do you think he turned the phone off ? And, didn't turn it back on till the next day at 7:40 am ? For someone who spends so much of their time calling and texting, why did he turn the phone off the nite before after talking to MM ? And didn't turn it on till the ping puts him on the road to his meeting the next day ? I found it kinda confusing that you said you would leave the phone on in hotel room if you were JY and you were heading back to Raleigh to kill someone, you then say you think JY is that smart too, what do you base that opinion on ? TIA

[reborn]

Do you have a link to a photo of Jason heading towards the stairs ? I have not seen a pic like that. I did see a strap over JY's shoulder in a picture, but I have no idea what that strap held...it could have been a guitar for all I know. The picture I did see of Jason in the hallway, I couldn't tell if he had the bag over his shoulder, what I did notice was the bulky, layered-looking clothing he wore, very dark clothing. He looked 75 pounds heavier with all those clothes on, wonder why he would layer on so many clothes and so late at nite ? Where did all those clothes go, when he arrived at his mom's the next day, she said he didn't bring any clothes in with him ? Where did his other clothes disappear to ? You say if you were him and heading back to Raleigh you would leave the phone in the hotel room pinging ? Well, you think he slept in that hotel room that nite, so why do you think he turned the phone off ? And, didn't turn it back on till the next day at 7:40 am ? For someone who spends so much of their time calling and texting, why did he turn the phone off the nite before after talking to MM ? And didn't turn it on till the ping puts him on the road to his meeting the next day ? I found it kinda confusing that you said you would leave the phone on in hotel room if you were JY and you were heading back to Raleigh to kill someone, you then say you think JY is that smart too, what do you base that opinion on ? TIA

If I give links to back up what I say I am obsessed. If I don't give links you guys want them. I don't think you want to discuss the case at all. I think you just want to bait so I am finished with this conversation. Good Nite..

[reborn]

JY couldn't leave the phone in the room pinging because if anyone called or sent a text he would not be there to answer it. Wouldn't that look suspicious if it was MM?
He also waited until midnight to travel back to Raleigh. He was on a tight timeline. He couldn't afford to take the chance that he may not make it back to his room on time to pick up the phone.
If JY was ready to go to bed why did he take the time to change clothes to walk down the hallway? How many changes of clothes did he bring to go on an overnight trip? It was after midnight I guess he figured most people were in bed by then. Wonder why he waited till midnight to go back to Raleigh if indeed he did? That part is gonna be hard for the DA to explain . I think the explanation is that he never went back to Raleigh. About the change of clothes. Do you put back on your dirty clothes when you take a shower?

[janesdeaan]

If I give links to back up what I say I am obsessed. If I don't give links you guys want them. I don't think you want to discuss the case at all. I think you just want to bait so I am finished with this conversation. Good Nite..

Cmon, I plainly said I never saw a picture of Jason heading to stairs nor do I know where the stairs are in that hotel. I was NOT baiting, but if you don't have the link that's fine, too. Suit yourself, but don't accuse ME of baiting, usually I'm the one being baited and I don't make a practice of it.

[Jester]

Does anyone actually believe that Jason is innocent, and if so, why?

That would be addressed to Reborn, Kat4eagles, Stellagant, GMBY, the King's Coal and anyone else I missed.

[reborn]

Does anyone actually believe that Jason is innocent, and if so, why?

That would be addressed to Reborn, Kat4eagles, Stellagant, GMBY, the King's Coal and anyone else I missed.


I have given my reasons for thinging he may be innocent. I have given my reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Remember I asked for you guys that think he is guilty to give me a list of reasons?

[Barbara2]

It was after midnight I guess he figured most people were in bed by then. Wonder why he waited till midnight to go back to Raleigh if indeed he did? <snipped>

It was after midnight. He figured most people were in bed by then and it was much less likely that he would be seen leaving the hotel. IMO

[Jester]

I have given my reasons for thinging he may be innocent. I have given my reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Remember I asked for you guys that think he is guilty to give me a list of reasons?

You may have responded point by point, search warrant by search warrant, but that doesn't answer my question. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. In retrospect, what are your reasons, in a couple of sentences (like a peanut shell), for thinking Jason is not guilty of bashing his wife's head in. I am interested in the totality, not the ... he didn't leave the rock propped in the door ... stuff.

Meredith had the misfortune of having Jason as a brother in law. She lost her sister because of him. What are your reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Can you list them succinctly so I can understand your position?

Who is "you guys"? Are you trying to understand this spousal homicide, or are you picking teams?

[Barbara2]

I have given my reasons for thinging he may be innocent. I have given my reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Remember I asked for you guys that think he is guilty to give me a list of reasons?



His DNA surrounded by blood spatter in the bedroom
A bloody footprint that matches the sole of a shoe known to be owned by him
Missing shirt and shoe referenced in second bullet
Strange calls to friends to ostensibly establish an alibi
Sending Meredith over on a "fluke" mission
He gave every indication that he hated his wife
The fact that Cassidy was cleaned up after the crime and before Meredith found her



There are others but that's a start.

[Jester]

It was after midnight I guess he figured most people were in bed by then. Wonder why he waited till midnight to go back to Raleigh if indeed he did? That part is gonna be hard for the DA to explain . I think the explanation is that he never went back to Raleigh. About the change of clothes. Do you put back on your dirty clothes when you take a shower?

At midnight on Friday, November 3, 2006, Jason was going to murder his wife. He planned to talk to his girlfriend in the morning. Wonder what they talked about ... his baby with her, her baby not with her husband, their future with pain that was worth it.

Jason wasn't in bed at midnight on the evening of November 2/3 even though he had an early morning meeting. What are you saying is difficult to understand about Jason arriving at the hotel and leaving shortly thereafter?

The only dirty laundry detail I recall reading is something about a cat chewing laundry in the back of the vehicle as it was speeding towards Brevard. Some of the dirty laundry may have fallen out. This may have been a rumor.

Jason would pee in the corner if it suited him, so I don't think he would think twice about what he put on after a shower.

[Jester]

I have given my reasons for thinging he may be innocent. I have given my reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Remember I asked for you guys that think he is guilty to give me a list of reasons?

What?

List of reason?

Go for it.

Your turn.

She who asks must also be willing to answer her own question. ... or she is fickle.

You first.

You give your list of reasons why, given all the evidence, you actually believe that Michelle's husband did not murder her.

[reborn]

You may have responded point by point, search warrant by search warrant, but that doesn't answer my question. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. In retrospect, what are your reasons, in a couple of sentences (like a peanut shell), for thinking Jason is not guilty of bashing his wife's head in. I am interested in the totality, not the ... he didn't leave the rock propped in the door ... stuff.

Meredith had the misfortune of having Jason as a brother in law. She lost her sister because of him. What are your reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Can you list them succinctly so I can understand your position?

Who is "you guys"? Are you trying to understand this spousal homicide, or are you picking teams?
I went back and found my post about Meredith. I have posted it below. I will address Jasons innocence later. Notice in JDs post below she says JII's. Well that isn't who "you guys "are. LOL


reborn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by janesdeaan
hate to bump my own post, but I really would love it if one of the JII's could answer this. TIA


If Meredith is the killer I don't think she was by herself. I think she knew Jason was out of town and I think she knew Michelle had money in the house. I think she went there wanting money. I think Michelle said no and they got into a fight. I think she grabbed something and hit Michelle and there was no turning back. I think she knew she was looking at jail time if she let Michelle live. I think she yelled for her friend that was with her and they came and helped with the killing of Michelle. I think Cassie woke up and she grabbed her cleaned her up and took her to her house. I think she went back and made sure all blood was smeared so there wasn't any prints. Then I think she searched Jason's closet till she found the money and took a few of Michelle's things and went home and waited. Some are saying Jason talked to her from the motel . I don't know if this is true or not. If so she could have been expecting his call about the print out. I don't know if LE has the actual voice mail or if just a record of it being made. If its just a record of it being made then Jason may have called about the print out the night before and about not knowing where Michelle was on the day of the murder. These are questions I don't have answers to. If Meredith killed Michelle someone else knows about it. I can't imagine living wondering if that person will someday tell somebody . If Meredith killed Michelle I don't think it was pre med for a second. I think it was done in a rage . That would be the way I would see it happening if Meredith killed Michelle. Of course I have no idea if she did. She is on my list of suspects as is Jason. Some of these questions I don't have answers for LE is in the position to get the answers. I have seen no warrants going her way so I guess she isn't being looked at.

[reborn]

What?

List of reason?

Go for it.

Your turn.

She who asks must also be willing to answer her own question. ... or she is fickle.

You first.

You give your list of reasons why, given all the evidence, you actually believe that Michelle's husband did not murder her.

Jester , I gave my reasons 3 weeks ago. I don't know if you are just not following the forum or if you are just playing games. hers my post.


04-08-2009, 03:34 PM
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A collection of my opinions about the case.

We know Jason Was in the motel close to midnight on the 2nd. of Nov. We know he was in Wytheville Va at 7:40AM on the 3rd. That gives him 7 hrs and 40minutes to drive to Raleigh kill Michelle, give Cassie a bath and medicate her ,take a shower and put on his business suit for his meeting and drive back to Wytheville Va.
According to mapquest its 172 miles from Hillsville to Raleigh. Estimated driving time 2 hrs. 57 minutes. From Raleigh to Wytheville 198 miles . Estimated driving time 3 hrs 21 minutes. So we have a total driving time of about 6 hrs and 18 minutes. That leaves Jason 1 hr and 22 minutes to get all the things done that need doing. So that doesn't rule him out. Now he must also get extra gas somewhere.
Now we have Cassie who we know was at one point bloody but when LE arrived she was clean. Now some think Jason drugged her. If he gave her just enough meds to keep her asleep tell Meredith arrived which would have to have been at least 7 and a half hours. Then she awakes and isn't druggie and is chattering up a storm . I call that a miracle.
Next is the 2 size show prints. Jason is rushed on time but he messes around changing shoes and stomping in blood.
Jason goes to his meeting but is late. We know from warrants that he was on time at the 7:40 time mark but he lost time somewhere after that. Did he get lost?
He drives back to his Moms . On the way he stops at a hospital for a courtesy call. His family load his car which still has his things in it from the trip and drive back to Raleigh. LE take the car. Now from one of the worst crime scenes according to LE Jason somehow manages not to get a spot of blood in his car. They have his luggage no blood there either. Now after 15 months LE got a warrant for Michelle's car to look for blood. Why would they think Michelle's car would have blood 15 months later and Jason's had none the same day? Yet they still think Jason is the killer.
20 warrants. We know Jason had an affair. We know he owned or has shoes similar to the out sole on one of the prints. Other than that what do we know of any evidence that points to Jason being the killer. We know his father in law didn't really like him. I think that was the saddest thing I heard in all the warrants. Jason make every effort to see that Alan Fisher got to see his Grandchild before he died and Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat. Alan Fisher admitted he and his wife were alone with Cassie . So he had every opportunity to question her. I wonder if he did?
Autopsy report. Time of death 6 hour span. Anybody find it funny that span just happens to fit into the time Jason can't account for ?
ME made a note of dark livor on Michelle's back side. Meredith found Michelle at least 7 hrs and 37 minutes after her death. If you believe Jason killed her. Meredith found her on her stomach. Meredith says she was ice cold and stiff. I have put a link below to how livor pools and how quick livor starts to pool after death.
Was Michelle turned over sometime during the day and if she was who did it? Jason was miles away he sure didn't . Yet scientific evidence points to the fact she was turned over.

When I look at the whole picture of this murder I can see why LE says its a complicated case. Could LE be the reason this case has turned out so complicated because they wanted Jason for the murder and refuse to look at anyone else?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livor_mortis

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View Post 04-08-2009, 04:02 PM

[5swab5]

You mention that he was seen heading toward an exit. You didn't mention that the stairs to Jason's room was also in that direction. (snipped)

You fail to mention that pesky rock keeping the side door open and that Jason never used his key card but once. The obvious answer is that he went somewhere, it is counterintuitive to think that he simply turned off his phone and went back to his room. MOO

[5swab5]

It was after midnight I guess he figured most people were in bed by then. Wonder why he waited till midnight to go back to Raleigh if indeed he did? That part is gonna be hard for the DA to explain . I think the explanation is that he never went back to Raleigh. About the change of clothes. Do you put back on your dirty clothes when you take a shower?

He waited until midnight because he was trying to establish an alibi. He was trying to have as small of a window of opportunity as possible. He planned this gruesome murder and didn't want to get caught.

It has worked to a certain extent, because he has obviously fooled certain people. MOO

[5swab5]

(snipped) I think she knew Jason was out of town and I think she knew Michelle had money in the house. I think she went there wanting money. I think Michelle said no and they got into a fight. I think she grabbed something and hit Michelle and there was no turning back. I think she knew she was looking at jail time if she let Michelle live. I think she yelled for her friend that was with her and they came and helped with the killing of Michelle. I think Cassie woke up and she grabbed her cleaned her up and took her to her house. I think she went back and made sure all blood was smeared so there wasn't any prints. Then I think she searched Jason's closet till she found the money and took a few of Michelle's things and went home and waited. Some are saying Jason talked to her from the motel . I don't know if this is true or not. If so she could have been expecting his call about the print out. I don't know if LE has the actual voice mail or if just a record of it being made. If its just a record of it being made then Jason may have called about the print out the night before and about not knowing where Michelle was on the day of the murder. These are questions I don't have answers to. If Meredith killed Michelle someone else knows about it. I can't imagine living wondering if that person will someday tell somebody . If Meredith killed Michelle I don't think it was pre med for a second. I think it was done in a rage . That would be the way I would see it happening if Meredith killed Michelle. Of course I have no idea if she did. She is on my list of suspects as is Jason. Some of these questions I don't have answers for LE is in the position to get the answers. I have seen no warrants going her way so I guess she isn't being looked at.

Unbelievable! LOL No wonder the police have quit looking at Meredith.

How did Meredith know about secret money in a secret wallet, that Jason's mother :cough: said :cough: she gave him as reimbursement for a trip that he paid for to the West Coast? Didn't you ever wonder why this secret money in the secret wallet hidden in Jason's closet was NEVER mentioned until two witnesses came forward and said that Michelle was upset about the money that Jason spent on the trip...because they were having financial difficulties? I call it CYA or accessory after the fact. MOO

[Tia]

He waited until midnight because he was trying to establish an alibi. He was trying to have as small of a window of opportunity as possible. He planned this gruesome murder and didn't want to get caught.

It has worked to a certain extent, because he has obviously fooled certain people. MOO

Not only that, why would he go to the house in broad daylight when the opportunity for him to be seen by someone is much much greater??!

[jerry50]

It was after midnight I guess he figured most people were in bed by then. Wonder why he waited till midnight to go back to Raleigh if indeed he did? That part is gonna be hard for the DA to explain . I think the explanation is that he never went back to Raleigh. About the change of clothes. Do you put back on your dirty clothes when you take a shower?

#1. Do you think that JY's cell phone records will show no
calls between midnight and 7:40 am during the time he and MM were calling and texting 900+ times? IMO that the night of Nov 2-3 was the only night that records will show the phone was turned off.

#2. He stayed till around midnight to tighten his alibi and make LE think he did not have the time to commit the crime. Remember AF remarked how smart he was? I don't think that this will be hard to explain at all. LE has reconstructed the driving time and it still left plenty of opportunity for JY to return to Raleigh and commit the crime. All LE has to do is prove he had opportunity, not explain what time he left.

#3. Do you think JY left home in dirty clothes? I think he wore clean ones when he left that night. What could he have done on the way to the hotel which would have made them dirty? Why would he check in, go to his room to take a shower and then go back to the desk? That doesn't make sense at all. Wouldn't he take care of everything when he was at the desk the first time? Also the clothes were different when he was pictured in the second set of pics so he obviously did change clothes.
About myself, when I take a shower at midnight (and it has yet to be proved he did take a shower, there is no evidence released that says he did) I get ready for bed, not put street clothes back on.

[jerry50]

Unbelievable! LOL No wonder the police have quit looking at Meredith.

How did Meredith know about secret money in a secret wallet, that Jason's mother :cough: said :cough: she gave him as reimbursement for a trip that he paid for to the West Coast? Didn't you ever wonder why this secret money in the secret wallet hidden in Jason's closet was NEVER mentioned until two witnesses came forward and said that Michelle was upset about the money that Jason spent on the trip...because they were having financial difficulties? I call it CYA or accessory after the fact. MOO

I think this money after the fact is one thing that is going to slip him up. How many times did JY see Pat from the time of the trip until the night of the murder for her to give him cash? Wouldn't the vast majority of people send a check? Is there even a record of Pat cashing a check for $500 during this time period? Why didn't JY give this money to Michelle if the reason was to appease her for the expenses he rang up?
I think the secret money was to give LE an explanation that the murder was commited during a robbery. But if there :cough: was money :cough: it would have to be known by someone Pat or JY told because if Michelle actually knew about it she would have deposited it in the bank to cover the bills. It may turn out that JY will not be the only person pleading the fifth.

[5swab5]

(snipped)

A collection of my opinions about the case.
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That gives him 7 hrs and 40minutes to drive to Raleigh kill Michelle, give Cassie a bath and medicate her ,take a shower and put on his business suit for his meeting and drive back to Wytheville Va. Plenty of time.
(snipped)
So that doesn't rule him out. Now he must also get extra gas somewhere. He could have gotten gas at several points along the way, not against the law to pay cash. Wish I had a car that "made" gas as it went along.
(snipped)
Now we have Cassie who we know was at one point bloody but when LE arrived she was clean. Now some think Jason drugged her. If he gave her just enough meds to keep her asleep tell Meredith arrived which would have to have been at least 7 and a half hours. Then she awakes and isn't druggie and is chattering up a storm . I call that a miracle. I call it a miracle too. I believe Cassidy was to be killed too. Evidenced by Jason never asking LE about her and him giving her to Meredith so easily...Where's the love?
(snipped)
Next is the 2 size show prints. Jason is rushed on time but he messes around changing shoes and stomping in blood. Jason planted the shoe prints to befuddle LE.
(snipped)
Jason goes to his meeting but is late. We know from warrants that he was on time at the 7:40 time mark but he lost time somewhere after that. Did he get lost? Most probably ditching evidence.
(snipped)
His family load his car which still has his things in it from the trip and drive back to Raleigh. LE take the car. Now from one of the worst crime scenes according to LE Jason somehow manages not to get a spot of blood in his car. They have his luggage no blood there either. You said earlier, that he showered and changed clothes, no reason to expect there to be blood in his car. According to Pat and Gerald, Jason did not remove anything from his car...where are the clothes that he is caught wearing on camera at midnight?(snipped)
20 warrants. We know Jason had an affair. We know he owned or has shoes similar to the out sole on one of the prints. Where are they?
(snipped)
We know his father in law didn't really like him. I think that was the saddest thing I heard in all the warrants. Jason make every effort to see that Alan Fisher got to see his Grandchild before he died and Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat. UGLY and uncalled for! What do you want from a man that bekieved Jason killed his daughter and his grandson? Leave the dead out of it, Alan cannot take up for himself.
(snipped)
Autopsy report. Time of death 6 hour span. Anybody find it funny that span just happens to fit into the time Jason can't account for ? Nothing funny about it at all, Jason is the slayer.
(snipped)
ME made a note of dark livor on Michelle's back side. Meredith found Michelle at least 7 hrs and 37 minutes after her death. If you believe Jason killed her. Meredith found her on her stomach. Meredith says she was ice cold and stiff. I have put a link below to how livor pools and how quick livor starts to pool after death. You have no idea what stage rigor was in, nor an understanding of how temperatures in the Birchleaf house could change the findings.(snipped)

MOO

[5swab5]

I went back and found my post about Meredith. (snipped) I don't know if LE has the actual voice mail or if just a record of it being made. (snipped)

If we are to suffer through the same posts for two and three times, at least you can update them as evidence comes out.:wink:

March 10th SW. In the recorded Message, which has been saved and transcribed into case records Jason Young asked Meredith Fisher to recover E-Bay printouts from his home printer for Coach Handbags.

MOO

[janesdeaan]

She failed to mention that pesky rock and the number of times the key card was used because it isn't evidence, it is only speculation.

The security video of the hotel IS circumstantial evidence.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but, I believe you are wrong.
Jason rented a hotel room, he arrived, he checked in, he used keycard to enter his room. The keycard was never used again by Jason Young, the next time the room door was opened was the next day at 11:00 am by the housekeeping team. So, how is that not evidence ? It IS evidence IMO and very damning !!

[janesdeaan]

I think you have presented the most likely scenario as to what happened. The fact that Michelle's body was found so close to that closet where the money was kept isn't a coincidence, imo.

Huh? Michelle was beaten terribly, Det. Spivey testified that she tried to
fight back and that she also tried to get away but was chased down. She ended up where she did, because that's where she lost the fight.
I hope you aren't insinuating that she ended up by the closet because she was trying to protect $500 in cash ? LOL

[janesdeaan]

snipped from reborns post:

"Notice in JDs post below she says JII's. Well that isn't who "you guys "are. LOL"

Notice in my post I said JII's, that's YOU guys LOL...duh

[5swab5]

Huh? Michelle was beaten terribly, Det. Spivey testified that she tried to
fight back and that she also tried to get away but was chased down. She ended up where she did, because that's where she lost the fight.
I hope you aren't insinuating that she ended up by the closet because she was trying to protect $500 in cash ? LOL

Right!

$500.00 in cash, in a new wallet that Pat Young :cough: said :cough: she gave Jason to defray some of the costs of their trip to the West Coast.

Michelle didn't even know about his little stash, neither did Jason for that matter, until Pat made it up. Can you say obstruction of justice? MOO

[5swab5]

She failed to mention that pesky rock and the number of times the key card was used because it isn't evidence, it is only speculation.

The security video of the hotel IS circumstantial evidence.

Until you can prove to me that Jason can walk through walls...his non-use of the key card IS most certainly evidence. MOO

[5swab5]

It isn't evidence at all. Jason didn't walk thru walls, he walked thru the door. I'm not the only member of the public who has had the opportunity to stay at a hotel and has briefly left the room without securely closing the door.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Right back at you.

Dreaming up ridiculous scenarios and excuses for Jason will not save his hide. No one with a lick of sense is going to get out of sight of their hotel room with it unlocked or believe that Jason did. Not in this day and age. If you take your eyes off of something...someone steals it. MOO

[5swab5]

Your accusation that Pat Young is a liar isn't based on anything factual. LE certainly have not in any way made such an accusation.

I have no reason to believe Pat Young, she has a very good reason to lie, she doesn't want her son on death row.

I find it hard to believe the murderer strained to get in that closet...to get to secret money, when they had the whole house to rummage through. The only one that needed in that closet was Jason, that's where his clothes and shoes were.

I will believe the $500.00 in a new wallet, hidden in Jason's closet, when the cows come home.

Pat also :cough: said :cough: Jason did not remove anything from his car, well...we KNOW that is a lie. She also said they loved Michelle, they have proven time and time again that is not true.MOO

[5swab5]

Jason hasn't been arrested so apparently my scenario of an unsecured door isn't quite as ridiculous as you make it out to be.

I've left my door unsecured when I'm briefly away such as carrying items into the room. In the video, Jason is seen carrying items with both hands.

The only way anyone else would know his door wasn't secured was to try to open it.


So What? Jason wasn't within sight of his room, he was on another floor.

Apples and Oranges. MOO

[5swab5]

Your accusation that Pat Young is a liar isn't based on anything factual. LE certainly have not in any way made such an accusation.

I think the issuing of SWs to search in areas Jason has/had control of, for specific items that Pat Young reported stolen from BirchLeaf says a lot about how LE views her statements. MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Your accusation that Pat Young is a liar isn't based on anything factual. LE certainly have not in any way made such an accusation.

Not in any way?

Not publicly might be a better way of describing whether LE has or has not accused Mrs. Young of being a liar.

[enigma™]

When this goes to trial, and it will, we will see a boatload of evidence, and guess what? It will all point to the slayer, Jason Lynn Young. That is going to hurt.:w00t:

[Doorbell]

Your accusation that Pat Young is a liar isn't based on anything factual. LE certainly have not in any way made such an accusation.

Neither has LE made the kind of accusations against Meredith that you have. Doesn't seem to stop you.

[Barbara2]

There is hotel security video that documents all who enter and exit the BUILDING. You need to accept it.
:rolleyes:

It's time delayed. It doesn't catch every entry and exit.

[janesdeaan]

This isn't funny to me nor am I interested in your bait.

Stop twisting my words and stop accusing me of things I am not doing.
You should worry about your own posts, everyone of them (to JDI'S) are very rude and just plain snotty. I am about ready to do something I have NEVER done, but I am just sick and tired of your demeaning other posters and myself. You misrepresent our posts, and just display a plain hateful attitude, except when your addressing JII's. It's gotten very OLD

[5swab5]

(snipped)

If LE thought Pat Young lied to them about missing jewelry and cash, they would not have spent two days looking for it. (snipped)

HUH?

They "looked for" the items reported stolen by Pat Young from the BirchLeaf house at Jason's mother's house, Jason's sister's house and Jason's storage shed. Doesn't seem that Pat's word is "all that" to LE. MOO

[5swab5]

There is hotel security video that documents all who enter and exit the BUILDING. You need to accept it.
:rolleyes:

Not true, the "video" only takes a pic every 6-7 seconds or something like that. Very possible to get in OR out of the building without being caught on tape. MOO

[reborn]

Maybe to you but anyone with common sense knows it is possible to leave a hotel room door unsecured.


Not only possible but I do it all the time. I'm not going to worry about unlocking a door every time I take a bag to the car or go to the car after something. To see if my door is locked someone would have to try it. I just can't see someone in that type motel going around trying other peoples doors. I don't think the key card will ever be an issue. I don't think the rock in the exit door will ever be an issue. I prop those exit doors every time I go out for a smoke. I think if Jason was leaving the motel property then he for sure would have propped his room door. He had nothing in there why would he lock it? I never lock a room door when I'm checking out.

[reborn]

HUH?

They "looked for" the items reported stolen by Pat Young from the BirchLeaf house at Jason's mother's house, Jason's sister's house and Jason's storage shed. Doesn't seem that Pat's word is "all that" to LE. MOO


Thats the point we are trying to make. They looked every where Jason could have put the stuff and they didn't find it. Where is it? I don't think for a minute anyone threw away that jewelery. LE doesn't seem interested in finding it if Jason doesn't have it. That would explains why they haven't issued any warrants for any one Else's homes. If they found that jewelery somewhere else it would blow their theory that Jason killed Michelle out of the water. LE states in this warrant that several drawers appeared to have been removed from the jewelery box. Why they used the word appeared I don't know. The drawers were either there or they weren't . I guess it appeared they weren't. Now you are saying PY made up the story of missing items. LE said they appeared to have been missing so they probably were. I find it strange that PY said she gave Michelle and Jason 500. in a new wallet and Jason's closet was searched. Michelle's closet wasn't. Sure looks like someone knew there was money in Jason's closet. Wonder who all Michelle told about the money? I bet it was a very few people. She could have told her mom and maybe her sister. Maybe she told GA friend about it as they watched TV. We don't know if someone else has told LE that Michelle or Jason told them before the fact that she had given them the money. For you to call her a liar without knowing all the evidence is uncalled for. IMO


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081417-20080818133617555.pdf

[5swab5]

(snipped) I don't think the key card will ever be an issue. I don't think the rock in the exit door will ever be an issue. (snipped)

If you believe the key card and the rock in the door will never be an issue, you are deluding yourself. They show a plan. A plan to deceive, a plan to leave the Hampton Inn undetected, a plan to return to Raleigh, a plan to murder.


I think if Jason was leaving the motel property then he for sure would have propped his room door. He had nothing in there why would he lock it?

The non use of the key card suggests he did exactly that. Leaving his room open under ANY other circumstance, except he left the hotel, is unbelievable. MOO

[5swab5]

Thats the point we are trying to make. They looked every where Jason could have put the stuff and they didn't find it. Where is it? (snipped)

Jason had plenty of time to toss his clothes, the murder weapon and the jewelry.

The point I am making, is that Pat reported certain items stolen from BirchLeaf and LE acted upon that information, by searching her property, her daughter's property and her son's storage shed for those very items. Does that sound to you like LE believed her? It certainly doesn't sound like it to me.

If you think for ONE second that someone that just killed their wife and unborn son would hesitate to throw away the items that were removed from the house in an attempt to make it look like a robbery, you are sadly mistaken. Jason had plenty of time to throw them away. Either before he got to Clintwood (he was 30 minutes late) or before/during/after his arrival in Brevard.

Where is the shirt? Jason was caught on tape wearing it, his mom said he didn't remove anything from his car in Brevard and it wasn't in his car when he got to Raleigh. Where is the shirt? My guess is with the other bloody clothes, the items reported stolen and the murder weapon. MOO

[Cardinal]

~snipped~ I find it strange that PY said she gave Michelle and Jason 500. in a new wallet and Jason's closet was searched. Michelle's closet wasn't. Sure looks like someone knew there was money in Jason's closet.
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081417-20080818133617555.pdf

I don't see anything in the SW you linked that states Jason's closet was searched and Michelle's closet wasn't. Where do you get that information?

[Jules2]

Your emotional bias clouds your ability to think clearly.

If LE thought Pat Young lied to them about missing jewelry and cash, they would not have spent two days looking for it. Obviously, others knew about the money and missing jewelry and also mentioned it to LE.

I don't find it hard to believe Meredith knew about the money and went straight to the closet to get it.


Pat could very well have lied to LE. Just because they followed up on her tip doesn't mean she was telling the truth. Jason isn't talking to LE but he must have told his mother something in order for her to pass that info on to LE. Perhaps Jason wasn't being truthful and was trying to make the crime appear as if robbery were the motive. And if robbery were the motive, then why weren't other items taken and not just some of Michelle's jewelry and cash hidden away in a closet?

Why not TV's or computers or family heirlooms ???????

But then again, those items would be difficult for Jason to part with.
His dead wife's jewelry and money that was probably never there in the first place would not. IMO


Who else in your "obviously others knew" scenario told LE about the money in the closet? A link would be nice.

You might not find it hard to believe Meredith took the money, but I find it even harder to believe it was even there in the first place.


IMO

[Doorbell]

Thats the point we are trying to make. They looked every where Jason could have put the stuff and they didn't find it. Where is it? I don't think for a minute anyone threw away that jewelery. LE doesn't seem interested in finding it if Jason doesn't have it. That would explains why they haven't issued any warrants for any one Else's homes. If they found that jewelery somewhere else it would blow their theory that Jason killed Michelle out of the water. LE states in this warrant that several drawers appeared to have been removed from the jewelery box. Why they used the word appeared I don't know. The drawers were either there or they weren't . I guess it appeared they weren't. Now you are saying PY made up the story of missing items. LE said they appeared to have been missing so they probably were. I find it strange that PY said she gave Michelle and Jason 500. in a new wallet and Jason's closet was searched. Michelle's closet wasn't. Sure looks like someone knew there was money in Jason's closet. Wonder who all Michelle told about the money? I bet it was a very few people. She could have told her mom and maybe her sister. Maybe she told GA friend about it as they watched TV. We don't know if someone else has told LE that Michelle or Jason told them before the fact that she had given them the money. For you to call her a liar without knowing all the evidence is uncalled for. IMO


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081417-20080818133617555.pdf


~They haven't issued warrants for anyone else's home. Perhaps they were allowed to search without one? It is not required for them to have a warrant if they have permission.

~IF (and it's a big "if") there was money in Jason's closet, it's entirely possible that Michelle didn't know it was there at all. I think Jason would be the likely one to be rummaging around in his closet that night--he would have needed a change of clothes.

~For you to call Meredith a killer is uncalled for.

[Cardinal]

Reborn, where did you get the information that Jason's closet was searched and Michelle's closet wasn't searched?

[Leanne Weich]

Reborn, think about the money angle logically. If (and it's a big IF, imo) Michelle had told random people that her m-i-l had given them $500 toward the cost of the holiday - do you honestly believe she would have gone on to say they had it hidden in Jason's closet? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

[enigma™]

Reborn, think about the money angle logically. If (and it's a big IF, imo) Michelle had told random people that her m-i-l had given them $500 toward the cost of the holiday - do you honestly believe she would have gone on to say they had it hidden in Jason's closet? That doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

That is because it never happened. The money was not paid. There was no wallet, there was no money. This is something that was construed when she (Pat) realized Jason murdered Michelle and she tried to convey a situation where someone came for the non-existent $500. Never happened. MUO

[Leanne Weich]

That is because it never happened. The money was not paid. There was no wallet, there was no money. This is something that was construed when she (Pat) realized Jason murdered Michelle and she tried to convey a situation where someone came for the non-existent $500. Never happened. MUO

I've never believed that story either - was just trying to see what reborn's logic was for his/her supposition.

[enigma™]

Cardinal it was talked on here about his closet be ransacked. I don't know if that came from an insider or one of the papers. I don't believe it was in any of the warrants. I can google it and see if I can find any archived posts.

I found this in time to give a link.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-48447-p-2.html

Still quoting other boards, rather than official documents, I see. The "jake" that you are quoting at WS was a poster here, and still is. I won't call him out, that might be against board rules, but everyone knows who he is. And, I do believe everyone is aware he has brought nothing to the case in the way of good information. So, until you can present official information, I will have trouble believing only one closet was ransacked.

[Cardinal]

Cardinal it was talked on here about his closet be ransacked. I don't know if that came from an insider or one of the papers. I don't believe it was in any of the warrants. I can google it and see if I can find any archived posts.

I found this in time to give a link.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-48447-p-2.html

Thank you for answering my question.

According to the poster at the site you linked, the word "ransacked" was first used by someone who was never in the house - the poster who claimed to have been there only saw things thrown around.

So, maybe Jason's closet was always messy, or maybe since the murder happened right outside Jason's closet, LE searched it for evidence. But I see nothing in the SWs or in the posts you linked to support your statement that Jason's closet was searched the night of the murder and Michelle's wasn't. The poster didn't mention the condition of Michelle's closet, and didn't see Jason's closet until after the crime scene investigation.

And since there's no foundation for Jason's closet having been searched the night of the murder, it follows there is no foundation for the alleged $500 in a new wallet to have been the subject of a search the night of the murder.

Not only is that what gbmy termed nested speculation, it's faulty nested speculation, IMO.

[Cardinal]

Cardinal, you are right. I guess I shouldn't have said it was ransacked but instead said it was once posted it was ransacked. The poster that got on me for linking again was blaming the wrong poster for posting it. I found that kind of funny. I guess thats called scan reading. Cardinal , that same link talked about the heirloom jewelery ,also. These people used to post here and maybe still do. All those post were deleted some time ago. Theres nothing new to discuss so i was just going back over old stuff. I don't know if PY was telling the truth but I certainly will give her the benefit of doubt. LE mentioned the jewelery drawers being missing so I am sure that wasn't a lie. How do you know it was Jason's closet that Michelle was laying next to? Did I miss that? I'm to lazy this morning to look at warrants. Maybe they say that when they took Jason's DNA. Someone used to post here that went into the house with Jason's sister. Well let me just say she said she did. If I recall correctly she is the one that first said all this stuff. Another poster said they live next door to this person and the stories go on. I don't think we will have a lot of answers until there is an arrest and some of us may not be around then. There are a lot of cases going on that will be developing very fast. I think a lot of posters have moved on to them. With nothing new to post about and not much in the warrants that hasn't been talked to death this case is wearing down. IMO

The reference to Michelle's body being near Jason's closet is in this SW:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf

I agree that's it's frustrating that there has been no new information in a while and that everything we know has been discussed over and over again. Especially since, for a while there, there was a lot of activity with civil actions and SWs being published

Maybe something will break soon.

[trucrime]

Cardinal it was talked on here about his closet be ransacked. I don't know if that came from an insider or one of the papers. I don't believe it was in any of the warrants. I can google it and see if I can find any archived posts.

I found this in time to give a link.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-48447-p-2.html

:rolleyes:

Another link to another board?

This is NOT an official document. Only hearsay, you can't present that as "fact". JMO.

[Tia]

The reference to Michelle's body being near Jason's closet is in this SW:

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/08/12/3365337/1219081477-20080818133406629.pdf

I agree that's it's frustrating that there has been no new information in a while and that everything we know has been discussed over and over again. Especially since, for a while there, there was a lot of activity with civil actions and SWs being published

Maybe something will break soon.

I am truly hoping that no news is good news!!!!

Its been very quiet lately.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why are you so obsessed with a particular poster on that board ?
GBMY was busted for researching bogus information trying to discredit a prosecution witness.

The poster you linked simply reported what he was told....turned out to be a bad tip and it was corrected on the board within 2 hours.
No parallel to GBMY's post what so ever.

Please get over your obsession with this poster and that board and move on.


Omg, you have to be kidding, if you don't see the difference of someone::cough:: posting about someone being arrested and ruining their reputation and causing other posters to have doubts about them , than someone who accidentially mixed up the carriers for different newspapers.WOW!!
I doubt anyone would have even looked at that person closely, if it haven't been for that accusation...:no:
WOW, again.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Does anyone actually believe that Jason is innocent, and if so, why?

That would be addressed to Reborn, Kat4eagles, Stellagant, GMBY, the King's Coal and anyone else I missed.


"Top 10 Reasons why I think Jason Young is Innocent".....JMO.

10)Timeline doesn't work for me.
9)Motive doesn't add up..

8)Too stupid of an excuse to send someone to "find" a body.

7)Not afraid that his relationship with MM would be discovered.

6)Wouldn't go around saying the obvious things like his wife was "driving him crazy", and "didn't know what to do with her", publicly.

5) Would have left for Raleigh immediately after establishing an alibi at the Hampton, not hanging out till midnite.

4)Would not have stayed in Raleigh up to 2 weeks after the murder, would have hijacked it back to Brevard instantly.

3)Killing was not premed.
All intentions that this was a rage killing, no thought put into it, whatsoever. JMO

2) Would never do this with his child in the home.

And,

1)No arrest after 2 and a half years.

Hope these help!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Not in any way?

Not publicly might be a better way of describing whether LE has or has not accused Mrs. Young of being a liar.


You have a link stating that L E has expressed any doubts of Mrs. Young's honesty, whether in public or private?

Thanxxx.
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You have a link stating that L E has expressed any doubts of Mrs. Young's honesty, whether in public or private?

Thanxxx.
Kat

NO.............I don't have a link to things that have not been said. That's the point. There has been no public statement.

Hope this helps
Thanxxx
BSN

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Will Stellagant be required to post a link to support her assertion that LE has not said that LE does not believe that PY has lied in any way what so ever?:confused:

I can understand someone commenting on what is public, but when you say that something hasn't occurred in anyway whatsoever, you are talking about situations that are obviously beyond your ability your know. We don't know what the cops may say or do that has not been reported on. JMOO

[Kat4Eagles]

I have given my reasons for thinging he may be innocent. I have given my reasons for thinking Meredith may be guilty. Remember I asked for you guys that think he is guilty to give me a list of reasons?


There are things about Jason that make me question his innocence too.

1) The one nite he is out of town, his wife gets murdered?
2) Has not publicly searched for the "killer" or "killers".
3) Consented to the WDS suit and custody ruling, too easily.
4) Was not a good husband to Michelle.
5)It was not a good marriage, and why they were thinking of bringing another innocent child into it, is beyond me.
6) Has not made himself available to LE
JMO

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

NO.............I don't have a link to things that have not been said. That's the point. There has been no public statement.

Hope this helps
Thanxxx
BSN

So, therefore, we really do not know what L E thinks, in any way, of any of the statements made by Pat Young.
Thank you.
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Will Stellagant be required to post a link to support her assertion that LE has not said that LE does not believe that PY has lied in any way what so ever?:confused:

I can understand someone commenting on what is public, but when you say that something hasn't occurred in anyway whatsoever, you are talking about situations that are obviously beyond your ability your know. We don't know what the cops may say or do that has not been reported on. JMOO


We can argue this forever, but, clearly, the case is not solved.

And, this Sunday will make the 30 month or 2 and a half year mark.
So, whether we keep this discussion going remains to be seen.

But, dontcha think, after all this time, if just one of those things in the s/w's could be proven,

such as Jason's car back in the driveway in the middle of the nite,

or video of him actually leaving the hotel,( not just near an exit or steps)

or a real shoe print that matched his positively, and not just similar, or the dna in the blood splatter was there from that nite,

or, proof that he really put a rock in the door, (:rolleyes:) and not someone else.

or, proof that the so called missing shirt is all that important,
that just one of these things could be enough??

So, then, why aren't they?

Kat

[trucrime]

We can argue this forever, but, clearly, the case is not solved.

And, this Sunday will make the 30 month or 2 and a half year mark.
So, whether we keep this discussion going remains to be seen.

But, dontcha think, after all this time, if just one of those things in the s/w's could be proven,

such as Jason's car back in the driveway in the middle of the nite,

or video of him actually leaving the hotel,( not just near an exit or steps)

or a real shoe print that matched his positively, and not just similar, or the dna in the blood splatter was there from that nite,

or, proof that he really put a rock in the door, (:rolleyes:) and not someone else.

or, proof that the so called missing shirt is all that important,
that just one of these things could be enough??

So, then, why aren't they?

Kat

Isnt double spacing posts like that against TOS? Whatever the case, they're difficult to read.

They have solved the case. Jason Young did it, just because they haven't arrested him yet doesnt mean they havent solved the case. JMO.

[Tia]

Isnt double spacing posts like that against TOS? Whatever the case, they're difficult to read.

They have solved the case. Jason Young did it, just because they haven't arrested him yet doesnt mean they havent solved the case. JMO.

ITA.

I don't know what we are waiting on, but I do believe its wrapping up and Jason will be arrested.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

We can argue this forever, but, clearly, the case is not solved.

And, this Sunday will make the 30 month or 2 and a half year mark.
So, whether we keep this discussion going remains to be seen.

But, dontcha think, after all this time, if just one of those things in the s/w's could be proven,

such as Jason's car back in the driveway in the middle of the nite,

or video of him actually leaving the hotel,( not just near an exit or steps)

or a real shoe print that matched his positively, and not just similar, or the dna in the blood splatter was there from that nite,

or, proof that he really put a rock in the door, (:rolleyes:) and not someone else.

or, proof that the so called missing shirt is all that important,
that just one of these things could be enough??

So, then, why aren't they?

Kat

What does this have to do with the post you were quoting? :confused:

But since you are changing the subject.

I'm able to read books with lots of pages. I've read about murder cases that took years and years. Most of theses cases involved the person that most people suspected of committing the crime being the one that gets arrested. I'm patient.

It also seems to be the way that the DA in Wake does things. In high profile cases he seems to be very cautious. Good for him. If he takes his time but gets his man, who are we to judge him?

It seems like they went after Cooper a lot faster because Cooper made it easy for them. That was good for the cops investigating Copper but no so good for Cooper.

[Kat4Eagles]

Isnt double spacing posts like that against TOS? Whatever the case, they're difficult to read.

They have solved the case. Jason Young did it, just because they haven't arrested him yet doesnt mean they havent solved the case. JMO.


If you can't read my posts, you can always skip over them.:)

This case is not solved...:no:

It will only be solved when someone is arrested and charged with the crime.........

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

What does this have to do with the post you were quoting? :confused:

But since you are changing the subject.

I'm able to read books with lots of pages. I've read about murder cases that took years and years. Most of theses cases involved the person that most people suspected of committing the crime being the one that gets arrested. I'm patient.

It also seems to be the way that the DA in Wake does things. In high profile cases he seems to be very cautious. Good for him. If he takes his time but gets his man, who are we to judge him?

It seems like they went after Cooper a lot faster because Cooper made it easy for them. That was good for the cops investigating Copper but no so good for Cooper.


I had addressed the post you mentioned, and was moving on as to why no arrest..........

I have read the excuses, for how long now?

Things like LE did not want to arrest Jason because of CY.
Or, that L E was waiting until the summer when she moves back to Raleigh.
That is not correct.

This is not how L E works..
LE does not let a killer walk the streets any longer than they have to, for the reason that they have a child.
L E does not wait for the perfect or convenient time to lock up murderers.

Dontcha think it is time for some basic common sense to kick in, and realize there is a problem with this case, and it must be big, huge even!!
No one will admit that...........

The only other case that has ever been mentioned here, that I am aware of in comparison to length of time, was the Miller case.

But, that was poison, and probably much more difficult to prove.

You and others can continue to believe that L E is just taking their time, and doing things right, but if the evidence that was needed was really there, this would be over by now.

In fact, it would have been over a long time ago.

Why is it, that nothing has resulted from all those search warrants?

JMO
Kat

[Tia]

Soon Cassidy will be living with Meredith and starting school in the fall.

I am so happy for all of them!!

[BSNBREVARDNC]

SNIPPED



Why is it, that nothing has resulted from all those search warrants?

JMO
Kat

"Nothing" is a big word that encompasses things that we may not be aware of. I could understand you saying that an arrest has not yet resulted from all those search warrants but nothing is a bit of a stretch since we don't know what is going on inside the actual investigation. However, if you have the link to support the "nothing" description I will be glad to read it.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Omg, you have to be kidding, if you don't see the difference of someone::cough:: posting about someone being arrested and ruining their reputation and causing other posters to have doubts about them , than someone who accidentially mixed up the carriers for different newspapers.WOW!!
I doubt anyone would have even looked at that person closely, if it haven't been for that accusation...:no:
WOW, again.

Kat

BTW, is this referring to people suspecting MF of being the suspect?

If so, it's a bit disingenuous IMO. I haven't seen any of the JII claiming that they suspect MF because of the referenced post. From what I've read, they seem to be hanging their hat on the 911 call. It will be interesting to see how that works out. I bet, when arrested and tried, the attorney's for "you know who" will never use the 911 tape as part of his defense.

[Kat4Eagles]

SNIPPED



"Nothing" is a big word that encompasses things that we may not be aware of. I could understand you saying that an arrest has not yet resulted from all those search warrants but nothing is a bit of a stretch since we don't know what is going on inside the actual investigation. However, if you have the link to support the "nothing" description I will be glad to read it.


I guess that would be in the same place with the "something is happening" link.

:biggrin:
:seeya:
Kat

[achristie]

BTW, is this referring to people suspecting MF of being the suspect?

If so, it's a bit disingenuous IMO. I haven't seen any of the JII claiming that they suspect MF because of the referenced post. From what I've read, they seem to be hanging their hat on the 911 call. It will be interesting to see how that works out. I bet, when arrested and tried, the attorney's for "you know who" will never use the 911 tape as part of his defense.

I'm inclined to agree with you , on account of you reading books with lots of pages.:biggrin:

MOO Aggie

[Kat4Eagles]

SNIPPED



"Nothing" is a big word that encompasses things that we may not be aware of. I could understand you saying that an arrest has not yet resulted from all those search warrants but nothing is a bit of a stretch since we don't know what is going on inside the actual investigation. However, if you have the link to support the "nothing" description I will be glad to read it.

Since the Board has come down to this, let me ask you then..........
Are you satisfied with where L E is in their investigation?

Are you happy with how long it has taken them to find justice for Michelle?
I read posts that proclaim patience, but find that difficult to understand.

No one should have to wait this long to have their killer pay for taking their life.
And, anyone who thinks the WDS ruling and custody agreement is enough punishment for the killer does not understand the difference of being accused of a crime than actually being locked up, I guess.

I fail to see it that way, but, again, that's just me!!

:)
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I'm inclined to agree with you , on account of you reading books with lots of pages.:biggrin:

MOO Aggie

And some of them have writing along with the pretty pictures.:laugh:

[Kat4Eagles]

And some of them have writing along with the pretty pictures.:laugh:

........and, do they have pics of the murder scene where the victim has suffered as horribly as Michelle did.?
I fail to find that funny at all.
:(

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

........and, do they have pics of the murder scene where the victim has suffered as horribly as Michelle did.?
I fail to find that funny at all.
:(

Kat

WOW........where did that come from?

I'll file that under "non sequitur".:confused:

[enigma™]

........and, do they have pics of the murder scene where the victim has suffered as horribly as Michelle did.?
I fail to find that funny at all.
:(

Kat

How did you make this leap? :rolleyes:


The DA will present his case when he feels he has everything he is going to get, and not a minute sooner. Just because some message board poster is impatient, he is not going to proceed. Sure, Jason should have been locked up that first night, but that is not how our justice system works. MUO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I'll slow down a little. The reading of books with lots of pages ties in with someone having patience.

OK? moving on..............

[BSNBREVARDNC]

The DA will present his case when he feels he has everything he is going to get, and not a minute sooner. Just because some message board poster is impatient, he is not going to proceed. Sure, Jason should have been locked up that first night, but that is not how our justice system works. MUO

I guess it's part of the credit card, instant gratification, etc. path that our society has traveled down. People want things yesterday. They don't understand or appreciate hard work and thoroughness anymore. IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

BTW, is this referring to people suspecting MF of being the suspect?

If so, it's a bit disingenuous IMO. I haven't seen any of the JII claiming that they suspect MF because of the referenced post. From what I've read, they seem to be hanging their hat on the 911 call. It will be interesting to see how that works out. I bet, when arrested and tried, the attorney's for "you know who" will never use the 911 tape as part of his defense.


You would have to ask each individual poster of their reasoning to suspect someone......anyone..

The post that someone made stating the errors made here were the same or equal, when one was declaring that someone would be arrested for fraud, while another poster was "busted" for merely getting 2 different newspaper carriers confused.!!!

I am sure it was a nice effort, however, it never even came close to the damage made by the accusations against the victim's sister.

This is why a link is required..........when stating facts instead of opinions.
Kat

[enigma™]

I guess it's part of the credit card, instant gratification, etc. path that our society has traveled down. People want things yesterday. They don't understand or appreciate hard work and thoroughness anymore. IMO.

And that says a lot about our society. This is not a CSI show where it is wrapped up in 40 some minutes. MUO

[Kat4Eagles]

I guess it's part of the credit card, instant gratification, etc. path that our society has traveled down. People want things yesterday. They don't understand or appreciate hard work and thoroughness anymore. IMO.

Huh?

2 and a half years into a murder case is hardly asking for instant anything, let alone an arrest for a gruesome, horrific murder !!

Wasn't it posted or implied that LE has been traveling to Brevard to get Jason or how they are just applying the finishing touches on wrapping the case up?

Or, wait!!,
How about when the next GJ meets, that will be the day!

:rolleyes:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And that says a lot about our society. This is not a CSI show where it is wrapped up in 40 some minutes. MUO


30 months does not even come close to the 40 minutes of a tv show.
I fail to see the comparison.

I was impatient that it took 4 long months to bring SP in.......

:shrug:
Kat

[achristie]

WOW........where did that come from?

I'll file that under "non sequitur".:confused:

Way out of left field?
Wow! Just Wow !!!!!!

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

How did you make this leap? :rolleyes:


The DA will present his case when he feels he has everything he is going to get, and not a minute sooner. Just because some message board poster is impatient, he is not going to proceed. Sure, Jason should have been locked up that first night, but that is not how our justice system works. MUO

Can't comment on the leap except it was HUGE.
What is that saying? The wheels of justice grind slowly?
Yes, we are all impatient waiting for justice to be served.
Fortunately, the DA doesn't operate on his emotions.

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

IMO we all know WHO is going to be arrested, we are now just waiting. No one knows when it will happen, but I am confident it will happen. Those who are impatient should follow the Fisher's lead and remain patient and confident that LE is doing their job.

JMO

Yes, Tia, I believe that anyone with a whit of commom sense has figured out who will be arrested.

As for the fence sitters and doubting Thomas'? There are no words.:wink:

MOO Aggie

p.s. I wish it were different for the little girl's sake. I just know that it isn't.

[Tia]

Yes, Tia, I believe that anyone with a whit of commom sense has figured out who will be arrested.

As for the fence sitters and doubting Thomas'? There are no words.:wink:

MOO Aggie

p.s. I wish it were different for the little girl's sake. I just know that it isn't.

Hi Aggie!

Oh, so do I. I truly wish it was anyone but Jason. Hasn't Cassidy lost enough??? What a horrible start to her little life. Mommy murdered, most likely by Daddy, and Daddy possibly in jail for the rest of his life. How tragic for her. Sadly, the selfish actions by, IMO, her father, have simply destroyed any normal life that she may have had. I am sure she will grow up just fine with the Fisher's, but to have that hanging over her the rest of her life is just so sad.

[Tia]

I believe said poster is having some comprehension issues this evening. Some of the more recent responses attest to this fact. Not to worry, LE has their sights on the grand prize, a case that will not be broken by a defense that is indefensible. Jason Lynn Young will pay for his crimes against his wife, Michelle, and his unborn son, Rylan. It is my belief that he does not have much more time to roam the planet a free man. MUO

Even his current roaming as a free man, isn't really free. His life is over, by his own choice. He could have fought the Civil Case, could have fought for Cassidy, but HE chose not to. What kind of life does he have now? He has been labeled the slayer of his wife in Civil court, a suspect in her murder and lost primary physical custody of his child. I don't think it worked out the way he wanted it to at all.

JMO

[achristie]

Hi Aggie!

Oh, so do I. I truly wish it was anyone but Jason. Hasn't Cassidy lost enough??? What a horrible start to her little life. Mommy murdered, most likely by Daddy, and Daddy possibly in jail for the rest of his life. How tragic for her. Sadly, the selfish actions by, IMO, her father, have simply destroyed any normal life that she may have had. I am sure she will grow up just fine with the Fisher's, but to have that hanging over her the rest of her life is just so sad.

Hey there, Miss Tia! I agree that her extended family will do the best they can for her. How sad that her life was forever changed by her own father, it seems. I have to hand it to MF. She is young and single yet willing to make a huge commitment to raising her sister's child. Truly a loving sister I'd say.

MOO Aggie

MOO Aggie

[Tia]

Hey there, Miss Tia! I agree that her extended family will do the best they can for her. How sad that her life was forever changed by her own father, it seems. I have to hand it to MF. She is young and single yet willing to make a huge commitment to raising her sister's child. Truly a loving sister I'd say.

MOO Aggie

MOO Aggie

She certainly is. Meredith is bascially giving up her life for her sister's child. She is truly a hero in my book.

[Barbara2]

She certainly is. Meredith is bascially giving up her life for her sister's child. She is truly a hero in my book.

Oh, I would do it in a heartbeat! It surprises me that her father doesn't have that same dedication to his own offspring. I'm glad she's going to be with a loving "parent" even if that parent is her aunt. IMO

[Tia]

Oh, I would do it in a heartbeat! It surprises me that her father doesn't have that same dedication to his own offspring. I'm glad she's going to be with a loving "parent" even if that parent is her aunt. IMO

IMO, I don't think Jason was ever that involved. How could he have been with his traveling and affairs? Even after Michelle was murdered, I am sure Pat and Jason's sisters took care of Cassidy.

JMO

[Jester]

"Top 10 Reasons why I think Jason Young is Innocent".....JMO.

10)Timeline doesn't work for me.
9)Motive doesn't add up..

8)Too stupid of an excuse to send someone to "find" a body.

7)Not afraid that his relationship with MM would be discovered.

6)Wouldn't go around saying the obvious things like his wife was "driving him crazy", and "didn't know what to do with her", publicly.

5) Would have left for Raleigh immediately after establishing an alibi at the Hampton, not hanging out till midnite.

4)Would not have stayed in Raleigh up to 2 weeks after the murder, would have hijacked it back to Brevard instantly.

3)Killing was not premed.
All intentions that this was a rage killing, no thought put into it, whatsoever. JMO

2) Would never do this with his child in the home.

And,

1)No arrest after 2 and a half years.

Hope these help!!

Kat
In response to each point:

Timeline works for police and gives Jason the opportunity to murder.
Motives of insurance money (irrelevant that he was too scared to claim it), freedom from marital & financial responsibilities, play the field all add up
Ruse to lure Meredith to rescue Cassidy was the best he could think up
He bought into the line that most murdering husbands use: having a girlfriend or two doesn't mean he murdered his wife
Carelessly discusses his disdain for his wife with others prior to murder means he was testing the water to gauge reactions
He left shortly after ensuring he was seen at the hotel
Murder was premeditated, right down to the planted ebay sale printout
Did do it with a child in the house, but assumed she wouldn't wake up
Length of investigation is unrelated to guilt or innocence of prime suspect

[Kat4Eagles]

In response to each point:

Timeline works for police and gives Jason the opportunity to murder.
Motives of insurance money (irrelevant that he was too scared to claim it), freedom from marital & financial responsibilities, play the field all add up
Ruse to lure Meredith to rescue Cassidy was the best he could think up
He bought into the line that most murdering husbands use: having a girlfriend or two doesn't mean he murdered his wife
Carelessly discusses his disdain for his wife with others prior to murder means he was testing the water to gauge reactions
He left shortly after ensuring he was seen at the hotel
Murder was premeditated, right down to the planted ebay sale printout
Did do it with a child in the house, but assumed she wouldn't wake up
Length of investigation is unrelated to guilt or innocence of prime suspect


Rebuttal: :)

Timeline is scrunched and chances of being seen or caught too risky.
Motive is unclear because MM stayed with Steve, so that didn't work out, did it?
Insurance money=untouched.

You don't think he could not think of a better plan to find Michelle, than that!!
How about "Hey, I just called Michelle and she is not answering the phone or her cell, could you check on her for me, please?"

All the murdering husbands that have used that line are now in prison, some on Death Row!
Why be so stupid to let everyone know how annoyed your wife makes you prior to killing her?

He did not leave shortly!! He hung around for a hour!!!
And, an hour in the timeframe means a lot!!

I will never ever buy into pre~med, too messy, too stupid, too obvious.
Could have arranged for CY not to be in the house, or could have arranged to have Michelle killed elsewhere.

The biggest arguing point seems to be the length of time...
It does mean something!
It means there are problems !

With, whoever killed Michelle, L E just can't get enough proof.
And, I don't share the confidence that anything is going to happen.....
I think L E had a tough case from the beginning,
re: the word complicated,
I think they are working an extremely tough case.

But, something is wrong with it.
And, all the denials just add to it......and strengthen the beliefs that people are much more worried than anyone could ever imagine.....

Cases like this are easy to solve.
JMO

Kat

[jerzeegirl]

In response to each point:


Motives of insurance money (irrelevant that he was too scared to claim it), mean he murdered his wife[/I]





I believe that the fact that he DIDNT claim the insurance money is Consciousness Of Guilt. Think about it. Me and my husband pay a monthly premium to our life insurance policies. If one of us dies, we will claim it. Why wouldnt we. Did we pay this premium to charity? Of course we didnt. I believe Jason thought that he wouldnt be suspected at all and this all would go smoothly for him. Hes stayed out of prison, yes, but he realized from the get go that LE was on to him and that if he claimed that policy, he would be deposed and it would also go towards motive.

An innocent person would take what was rightfully theirs, life insurance monies and remain the sole provider of their child. He did neither.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You would have to ask each individual poster of their reasoning to suspect someone......anyone..

The post that someone made stating the errors made here were the same or equal, when one was declaring that someone would be arrested for fraud, while another poster was "busted" for merely getting 2 different newspaper carriers confused.!!!

I am sure it was a nice effort, however, it never even came close to the damage made by the accusations against the victim's sister.

This is why a link is required..........when stating facts instead of opinions.
Kat

Because of the quickness with which the info about Meredith's alleged arrest was retracted and the realization that the whole thing was an attempt by Jason's supporters to damage Meredith's credibility, it had absolutely no lasting damage on Meredith's reputation. That hasn't discouraged the JII crowd from continually trying to use it to destroy the credibility of both Meredith and the source of this rumor ever since that time though.

IMO, holding on so tightly to such an insignificant event shows the desperation of some people's position in trying to defend Jason.

[janesdeaan]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"He did not leave shortly!! He hung around for a hour!!!
And, an hour in the timeframe means a lot!!"

Yes, and in that hour he manages to have himself shown on film how many times ? Funny that he is never seen on film again, not even the next morning when he "leaves hotel" !!! jmo

[janesdeaan]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"Cases like this are easy to solve."
JMO

Kat

Well then by all means Kat, who did it ?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Jason is seen on the security video at midnight.
He is on his cellphone at 7:40 near Wytheville, VA (?).
Mapquest shows the trip from Hillsville to Raleigh, back again, and to Wytheville to be a 6 hour and 27 minute trip. He has 7 hours and 40 minutes to complete it.

That would give him 1 hours and 13 minutes to commit the murder, get CY to bed, and tidy himself up a bit.

Looks do-able to me.:rolleyes:

BTW, Mapquest, from my experience, is very conservative on it's times. I've never taken as long as they say.JMO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Snipped


With, whoever killed Michelle, L E just can't get enough proof.
And, I don't share the confidence that anything is going to happen.....
I think L E had a tough case from the beginning,
re: the word complicated,
I think they are working an extremely tough case.

But, something is wrong with it.
And, all the denials just add to it......and strengthen the beliefs that people are much more worried than anyone could ever imagine.....

Cases like this are easy to solve.
JMO

Kat

Which is it?

An extremely tough case or one that is easy to solve?

Can I get a link to the "people are much more worried than anyone could ever imagine".

Thanxx

[janesdeaan]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"I am sure it was a nice effort, however, it never even came close to the damage made by the accusations against the victim's sister."

Most of the posters here were and are aware that the post about MF was made in error, and retracted. The damage (if any) done was an effort by only a few posters who had no other "dirt" on MF, so they continued to bring the misinformation up in their smear campaign of the victims family. The error made by the poster here concerning the paper deliverer was dropped after it was corrected, except of course for the same posters mentioned above, who still are bringing that up !!! Not sure WHY !!!

[Kat4Eagles]

<snipped>

I believe Jason thought that he wouldnt be suspected at all and this all would go smoothly for him.


How could he not be suspected?
He was the husband.
He was out of town
He was the beneficiary of a large ins. policy.
He was messing with MM.
He told people his wife was bugging him.
He supposedly sent someone to the home to find the body.

Not only is he going to be a suspect, he is going to be the prime suspect.!!

So, if there was any evidence to arrest him, it wouldn't matter if he lawyered up and didn't cooperate............
.
It wouldn't matter what he did or didn't do..........
This would all be over.
JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Because of the quickness with which the info about Meredith's alleged arrest was retracted and the realization that the whole thing was an attempt by Jason's supporters to damage Meredith's credibility, it had absolutely no lasting damage on Meredith's reputation. That hasn't discouraged the JII crowd from continually trying to use it to destroy the credibility of both Meredith and the source of this rumor ever since that time though.

IMO, holding on so tightly to such an insignificant event shows the desperation of some people's position in trying to defend Jason.

:no:
That is an insult to call poster's names who are merely waiting for more evidence or an arrest to happen..........
You need to read the TOS..
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"He did not leave shortly!! He hung around for a hour!!!
And, an hour in the timeframe means a lot!!"

Yes, and in that hour he manages to have himself shown on film how many times ? Funny that he is never seen on film again, not even the next morning when he "leaves hotel" !!! jmo

Or, he went to bed and left his cell phone in the car.
He would have a phone in his room if needed....
Michelle knew where he was, she could always call the hotel.

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

:no:
That is an insult to call poster's names who are merely waiting for more evidence or an arrest to happen..........
You need to read the TOS..
Kat

And the name that I called the posters was.......? What? What name did I call them?

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason is seen on the security video at midnight.
He is on his cellphone at 7:40 near Wytheville, VA (?).
Mapquest shows the trip from Hillsville to Raleigh, back again, and to Wytheville to be a 6 hour and 27 minute trip. He has 7 hours and 40 minutes to complete it.

That would give him 1 hours and 13 minutes to commit the murder, get CY to bed, and tidy himself up a bit.

Looks do-able to me.:rolleyes:

BTW, Mapquest, from my experience, is very conservative on it's times. I've never taken as long as they say.JMO


Everything would have had to go perfect.
The murder scene sounds like it was far from the perfect crime.........
JMO
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Everything would have had to go perfect.
The murder scene sounds like it was far from the perfect crime.........
JMO
Kat

Then it's a good thing that he had an hour and thirteen minutes. I would imagine that someone could kill someone cleanly in less time than that.....JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

And the name that I called the posters was.......? What? What name did I call them?

Re~read your post.
Maybe, you should put us on ignore.
I am here to discuss the case, not to be personally attacked.
Hope this helps.
:seeya:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"I am sure it was a nice effort, however, it never even came close to the damage made by the accusations against the victim's sister."

Most of the posters here were and are aware that the post about MF was made in error, and retracted. The damage (if any) done was an effort by only a few posters who had no other "dirt" on MF, so they continued to bring the misinformation up in their smear campaign of the victims family. The error made by the poster here concerning the paper deliverer was dropped after it was corrected, except of course for the same posters mentioned above, who still are bringing that up !!! Not sure WHY !!!

Once something like that is posted, you don't forget it......
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Re~read your post.
Maybe, you should put us on ignore.
I am here to discuss the case, not to be personally attacked.
Hope this helps.
:seeya:
Kat

Wrong.
And no, it doesn't help.
I was describing an action. I did not say the posters were desperate. I am not personally attacking anyone. Sorry if you feel that disagreeing with your opinion is "personal". I don't take it personal that you don't agree with me:closedeyes: JMO

[Tia]

snipped from Kat4Eagles:
"I am sure it was a nice effort, however, it never even came close to the damage made by the accusations against the victim's sister."

Most of the posters here were and are aware that the post about MF was made in error, and retracted. The damage (if any) done was an effort by only a few posters who had no other "dirt" on MF, so they continued to bring the misinformation up in their smear campaign of the victims family. The error made by the poster here concerning the paper deliverer was dropped after it was corrected, except of course for the same posters mentioned above, who still are bringing that up !!! Not sure WHY !!!


I am surprised that its still being brought up. I guess in light of Meredith winning primary physical custody of Cassidy and Jason being declared a slayer, some are grasping for anything at all that will make Meredith look bad. It certainly is not turning out the way he JII's expected it to.

JMO

[janesdeaan]

Once something like that is posted, you don't forget it......
Kat

I disagree, when I read an article in the paper, then read there is a retraction about the info in it, usually that is a relief and I completely forget the mistake that was previously printed. It should have been forgotten here, the minute that retraction was printed. And for the most part it was, except as I said, some posters constantly bring it up IMO trying to keep misinformation posted in this case to smear the victims family. IMO, trying to vilify the victims family, is the same as vilifying Michelle.

[freejason]

Even his current roaming as a free man, isn't really free. His life is over, by his own choice. He could have fought the Civil Case, could have fought for Cassidy, but HE chose not to. What kind of life does he have now? He has been labeled the slayer of his wife in Civil court, a suspect in her murder and lost primary physical custody of his child. I don't think it worked out the way he wanted it to at all.

JMO

Tia,

He didn't "lose" custody of his daughter....he GAVE HER AWAY.

[janesdeaan]

I am surprised that its still being brought up. I guess in light of Meredith winning primary physical custody of Cassidy and Jason being declared a slayer, some are grasping for anything at all that will make Meredith look bad. It certainly is not turning out the way he JII's expected it to.

JMO

I'm pretty sure that is the mindset behind that, Tia. It seems like such a waste of time (and bandwidth) doesn't it, for posters to repeatedly post misinformation when we could be discussing actual facts in the case ?

[5swab5]

Tia,

He didn't "lose" custody of his daughter....he GAVE HER AWAY.

I sure dread the day that Cassidy learns exactly what her father thinks of her. Of course, knowing that he took her mother away will be hard enough. He can't even pretend to care for anybody but himself. MOO

[Tia]

Tia,

He didn't "lose" custody of his daughter....he GAVE HER AWAY.

True!!!

How could I forget!!

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Isn't this one of the weeks that CY is spending at her new primary residence? Doe anyone have a link to the custody agreement?

[enigma™]

Isn't this one of the weeks that CY is spending at her new primary residence? Doe anyone have a link to the custody agreement?

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/06/4487955/Feb._6,_2009,_child_custody_consent_order.pdf

[5swab5]

Isn't this one of the weeks that CY is spending at her new primary residence? Doe anyone have a link to the custody agreement?

4-2009: 4-9 3PM---4-12 6PM
5-2009: 5-7 3PM---5-11 2:30PM
6-2009: 6-12 Noon--6-19 4PM
7-2009: 7-9 Noon--7-24 4PM
8-2009: 8-1 Noon---Home Free.:smile:

[Cardinal]

How could something like that just be written off as an error?
Was getting the news first more important than waiting for confirmation?
This is why links are important to these cases, and are required.
Otherwise, anyone can just say anything.
And, people are left to believe what they want.
I know, it changed the way I looked at people involved in this case.

JMO
Kat

I agree, links are important. But I don't understand why something can't be written off as error, when it was. There was/is no link to that information. I've checked.

If it makes you feel suspicious of the person about whom it was posted, fine. But I think the comments should be about the suspicion, rather than the poster. And apparently Jason isn't suspicious, or even cautious about the person, since he handed over the primary care of his daughter to her. Without a fight.

Just My Opinion, of course.

[Jester]

Rebuttal: :)

Timeline is scrunched and chances of being seen or caught too risky.
Motive is unclear because MM stayed with Steve, so that didn't work out, did it?
Insurance money=untouched.

You don't think he could not think of a better plan to find Michelle, than that!!
How about "Hey, I just called Michelle and she is not answering the phone or her cell, could you check on her for me, please?"

All the murdering husbands that have used that line are now in prison, some on Death Row!
Why be so stupid to let everyone know how annoyed your wife makes you prior to killing her?

He did not leave shortly!! He hung around for a hour!!!
And, an hour in the timeframe means a lot!!

I will never ever buy into pre~med, too messy, too stupid, too obvious.
Could have arranged for CY not to be in the house, or could have arranged to have Michelle killed elsewhere.

The biggest arguing point seems to be the length of time...
It does mean something!
It means there are problems !

With, whoever killed Michelle, L E just can't get enough proof.
And, I don't share the confidence that anything is going to happen.....
I think L E had a tough case from the beginning,
re: the word complicated,
I think they are working an extremely tough case.

But, something is wrong with it.
And, all the denials just add to it......and strengthen the beliefs that people are much more worried than anyone could ever imagine.....

Cases like this are easy to solve.
JMO

Kat

If the time line did not permit Jason time to return home, murder Michelle, and be back on the road at 7:40 where he should be, he would have been eliminated as a suspect. That has not happened. Therefore, the time line is viable.

There are no doubts about the motive. Jason had financial difficulties, was dissatisfied with his marriage, wanted to have babies with women other than his wife. Had his "alibi" been accepted, and his "I have a right not to speak" been reasonable, he may have been eliminated as a suspect. He certainly went out of his way to appear like he was far away from the murder scene. Had he not been required to answer questions to claim the insurance benefit, he would have claimed it.

Claiming that he wanted someone to check on Michelle because he couldn't reach her on a Friday morning would have looked absurd. Everyone knew he didn't care about her. Why would he be concerned if he couldn't reach her on a normal Friday morning?

He spent almost an hour, not hours, ensuring that he was seen at the hotel (two visits to the front desk in that short time). He couldn't have shaved that time down and still be remembered.

I know that you think that premeditated, spousal murders that occur in the home are easy to solve, but that doesn't make it so.

[Jester]

I believe that the fact that he DIDNT claim the insurance money is Consciousness Of Guilt. Think about it. Me and my husband pay a monthly premium to our life insurance policies. If one of us dies, we will claim it. Why wouldnt we. Did we pay this premium to charity? Of course we didnt. I believe Jason thought that he wouldnt be suspected at all and this all would go smoothly for him. Hes stayed out of prison, yes, but he realized from the get go that LE was on to him and that if he claimed that policy, he would be deposed and it would also go towards motive.

An innocent person would take what was rightfully theirs, life insurance monies and remain the sole provider of their child. He did neither.

I completely agree. Both the insurance money and custody required nothing more from Jason than for him to answer a couple of questions. Apparently that was so threatening to him that he gave up them both away.

[Jester]

How could he not be suspected?
He was the husband.
He was out of town
He was the beneficiary of a large ins. policy.
He was messing with MM.
He told people his wife was bugging him.
He supposedly sent someone to the home to find the body.

Not only is he going to be a suspect, he is going to be the prime suspect.!!

So, if there was any evidence to arrest him, it wouldn't matter if he lawyered up and didn't cooperate............
.
It wouldn't matter what he did or didn't do..........
This would all be over.
JMO
Kat

The sad fact is that his status has gone from someone that, as a formality, had to be ruled out, to the prime suspect.

It would be all over if he could be ruled out, but he can't.

[Stellagant]

If the time line did not permit Jason time to return home, murder Michelle, and be back on the road at 7:40 where he should be, he would have been eliminated as a suspect. That has not happened. Therefore, the time line is viable.

There are no doubts about the motive. Jason had financial difficulties, was dissatisfied with his marriage, wanted to have babies with women other than his wife. Had his "alibi" been accepted, and his "I have a right not to speak" been reasonable, he may have been eliminated as a suspect. He certainly went out of his way to appear like he was far away from the murder scene. Had he not been required to answer questions to claim the insurance benefit, he would have claimed it.

Claiming that he wanted someone to check on Michelle because he couldn't reach her on a Friday morning would have looked absurd. Everyone knew he didn't care about her. Why would he be concerned if he couldn't reach her on a normal Friday morning?

He spent almost an hour, not hours, ensuring that he was seen at the hotel (two visits to the front desk in that short time). He couldn't have shaved that time down and still be remembered.

I know that you think that premeditated, spousal murders that occur in the home are easy to solve, but that doesn't make it so.

FYI: A motive without the ability to prove opportunity is useless to a DA. It is obvious in this case that the DA doesn't believe he can persuade a jury that Jason had the opportunity to commit this crime.

FYI: There is also no proof whatsoever that Jason "wanted to have babies with women other than his wife." That's just more speculation you insist is fact.

:rolleyes:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I guess the only thing that the JDI and the JII can agree on is the waiting. It does try the patience a little.

http://www.kaskeystudio.com/galleryjustice.html

The picture of a statue at this link is somewhat fitting. IMO

[Stellagant]

Maybe someone whose motives were to spend 2.5 years trying to cast blame on an innocent person while turning a blind eye to all of the red flags waving around Jason and hoping that through sheer repetition of baseless facts that people would act in a lemming like fashion and play follow the leader.

What red flags are still waving around Jason over two years later that LE haven't thoroughly investigated?

[Leanne Weich]

What red flags are still waving around Jason over two years later that LE haven't thoroughly investigated?

If you read all the SWs with an open mind, I'm sure you'll see them too .. or maybe not.

[Stellagant]

If you read all the SWs with an open mind, I'm sure you'll see them too .. or maybe not.

that's not what I asked you. I did read the search warrants and know the red flags: affair, possible financial difficulties, etc., have been repeated over and over for years now and still no arrest. Those red flags have faded to pink and don't seem to be producing real evidence of murder. I'll repeat my question: what red flags haven't LE thoroughly investigated?

[Leanne Weich]

that's not what I asked you. I did read the search warrants and know the red flags: affair, possible financial difficulties, etc., have been repeated over and over for years now and still no arrest. Those red flags have faded to pink and don't seem to be producing real evidence of murder. I'll repeat my question: what red flags haven't LE thoroughly investigated?

TBH, I didn't read your post properly when responding and didn't see or register the "haven't LE thoroughly investigated". As I'm not a member of LE, I don't know what they have or have not investigated thoroughly but, quite clearly and by their own admission, they're still investigating. Which red flag/s, I have no clue.

[trucrime]

TBH, I didn't read your post properly when responding and didn't see or register the "haven't LE thoroughly investigated". As I'm not a member of LE, I don't know what they have or have not investigated thoroughly but, quite clearly and by their own admission, they're still investigating. Which red flag/s, I have no clue.

Exactly. I got the same feeling (that LE is still investigating) from reading the most recent SW's & news reports from the wrongful death judgment. JMO.

[Leanne Weich]

Found this on another forum - http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5063064/

Now, I really want Jason arrested, convicted and sentenced to death, although it would not happen quickly enough and he'd probably learn to live quite well on death row for many years, imo.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You want Jason arrested,convicted and sentenced to death. I unlike you want the murderer of Michelle arrested ,convicted and sentenced for the death of Michelle. LE doesn't seem to have the evidence to say Jason Young murdered his wife so I certainly will not make that call. I have at least one other suspect and a vague feeling about another.

Who is your suspect and who do you have a vague feeling about?

[Leanne Weich]

You want Jason arrested,convicted and sentenced to death. I unlike you want the murderer of Michelle arrested ,convicted and sentenced for the death of Michelle. LE doesn't seem to have the evidence to say Jason Young murdered his wife so I certainly will not make that call. I have at least one other suspect and a vague feeling about another.

Yes, I do because there is absolutely NO evidence pointing to anyone other than Jason as the perpetrator of this heinous crime, imo.

[enigma™]

Yes, I do because there is absolutely NO evidence pointing to anyone other than Jason as the perpetrator of this heinous crime, imo.

You are preaching to the choir, Leanne. Let us hope Tuesday is the day.

[Leanne Weich]

You are preaching to the choir, Leanne. Let us hope Tuesday is the day.

I try to ignore GJ days now so that when it happens I wont have been expecting it.

A pity a few of the choir members are so off key and don't seem to be able to hold a tune.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I try to ignore GJ days now so that when it happens I wont have been expecting it.

A pity a few of the choir members are so off key and don't seem to be able to hold a tune.

I think you have it right. Just take it day by day.

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, I do because there is absolutely NO evidence pointing to anyone other than Jason as the perpetrator of this heinous crime, imo.

............ and, yet, no arrest...
30 months this past weekend.
2 and a half years!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think you have it right. Just take it day by day.

Or, in this case, that would be 900 days!!
:wink:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

that's not what I asked you. I did read the search warrants and know the red flags: affair, possible financial difficulties, etc., have been repeated over and over for years now and still no arrest. Those red flags have faded to pink and don't seem to be producing real evidence of murder. I'll repeat my question: what red flags haven't LE thoroughly investigated?


There should be nothing left to investigate or test at this stage.
Why is the killer or killers still walking free?

Since the time of death has never been released, or even the status of a weapon, who knows what they have run up against.

I was thinking about that *article that quoted the profiler Chris Morgan saying that the front door was left open too, and the GA friend who felt someone was watching them.

:shrug:

Sorry to see the Board has so few posts , or that many people left to follow more current cases.
:(
Kat



*archives

[Leanne Weich]

............ and, yet, no arrest...
30 months this past weekend.
2 and a half years!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow.

Kat

It has been a long time but I do believe good will prevail over evil at the end of the day. I've got to the stage that it doesn't matter how long it takes as long as justice prevails at the end of the day.

[Kat4Eagles]

It has been a long time but I do believe good will prevail over evil at the end of the day. I've got to the stage that it doesn't matter how long it takes as long as justice prevails at the end of the day.


Yeah, I guess people had to.
Waiting anxiously or patiently for something to happen doesn't seem to be working, does it?
I am just sorry to see the Board slow down without any news.
Maybe someday!!
Kat

[enigma™]

Tomorrow is another GJ day. Cassidy will be with Meredith this week. I have no link, but have read the DA's office is elated about something. I wonder what it is? I know I, and several others could go for some good news in the near future. MUO

[Jules2]

I think about Michelle every single day. This case interests me just as much today as it did in the beginning. I also know of many posters who feel the same way.

The investigation in to the brutal and senseless murder of a beautiful young mother shouldn't be measured in the years, months, and days it is taking to find her killer and is not considered "cold" by any means.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why do you assume that the DA being elated has any thing to do with this case. The DA has many cases. Maybe he got a lead on JH's case? She was killed 5 miles from Michelle and that case isn't solved. She also was pregnant.


For one thing, who has said that the DA is elated?
Was it in the newspaper?
How do we know it even pertains to this case?
I think we have all learned the hard way, that information
on a Message Board without a link means nothing.
However, tomorrow is a GJ day, let's see if the "elation"
equals an indictment or arrest.
After 30 months, it might be nice if something along
those lines, did happen......

If not for anyone or anything else, but,for Michelle.
JMO

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

For one thing, who has said that the DA is elated?
Was it in the newspaper?
How do we know it even pertains to this case?
I think we have all learned the hard way, that information
on a Message Board without a link means nothing.
However, tomorrow is a GJ day, let's see if the "elation"
equals an indictment or arrest.
After 30 months, it might be nice if something along
those lines, did happen......

If not for anyone or anything else, but,for Michelle.
JMO

Kat

I certainly haven't seen a link but then that shouldn't matter to you ... there was no link about Meredith supposedly embezzling money meant for Cassidy either, yet you still refer to that on a very regular basis. I guess we all believe what we want to.

Just like you think there is nothing left to investigate or that this case is cold, doesn't make it so and the vast majority of us who post here don't believe that. JMVHO.

[Leanne Weich]

Also, notwithstanding that it was the 2.5 year mark, there really isn't much to discuss right now and that is probably the reason for so few posts. I don't believe anyone who has invested this much time in following the case is going to just up and lose interest now. JMVHO.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You want Jason arrested,convicted and sentenced to death. I unlike you want the murderer of Michelle arrested ,convicted and sentenced for the death of Michelle. LE doesn't seem to have the evidence to say Jason Young murdered his wife so I certainly will not make that call. I have at least one other suspect and a vague feeling about another.

Who is your suspect and who do you have a vague feeling about?

[dkny]

Are posts disappearing from this board ?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Are posts disappearing from this board ?

All the time.

[Barbara2]

Tomorrow is another GJ day. Cassidy will be with Meredith this week. I have no link, but have read the DA's office is elated about something. I wonder what it is? I know I, and several others could go for some good news in the near future. MUO

I don't believe the GJ will be getting the case today if the investigators were out this past week gathering additional information. A few days would not be enough time to prepare the case, I would guess.

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't believe the GJ will be getting the case today if the investigators were out this past week gathering additional information. A few days would not be enough time to prepare the case, I would guess.


They have had years to prepare their case.
I see nothing stating what the investigators are doing, where they went, what they did or who they saw...or, if the DA's "elation" and "happiness" comes from this case.
We need to be careful about rumors :no:
Rumors are not accepted as facts at IS and are not part of the TOS.
We really don't know what is going on...
Unless someone has an official link saying otherwise, I would chalk this up to the same rumor that Jason was on "Spring Break" referring to a wild week in Cancun, when actually the whole college was on Spring Break and closed for Easter, and Jason was probably spending the time with his daughter and family.
I say "probably" because I really do not know........
And, unless there are Spring Break pics.
:)
JMO

Kat

[Tia]

Also, notwithstanding that it was the 2.5 year mark, there really isn't much to discuss right now and that is probably the reason for so few posts. I don't believe anyone who has invested this much time in following the case is going to just up and lose interest now. JMVHO.


Nope, not me! I will follow this until the bitter end.
JMO

[Leanne Weich]

Tomorrow someone will say the JII's are always bring up the embezzling. When in reality it was a JDI that brought it up. I guess you guys don't want that story to die. Just sayin.

Really reborn, this post is just indicative of the carp that is spewed on this forum. I was clearly making a point to Kat who loves nothing more than to bring up the embezzling saga and not once, that I can recall, has she ever said it was a rumour. Unfortunately when that rumour came out, a JDI had been given false information and he retracted it almost immediately. In any event, even if it was true, imo, it still wouldn't make Meredith a suspect.

[Kat4Eagles]

Really reborn, this post is just indicative of the carp that is spewed on this forum. I was clearly making a point to Kat who loves nothing more than to bring up the embezzling saga and not once, that I can recall, has she ever said it was a rumour. Unfortunately when that rumour came out, a JDI had been given false information and he retracted it almost immediately. In any event, even if it was true, imo, it still wouldn't make Meredith a suspect.


Why don't we deal with the facts themselves?
Reference: Thread dated 4-24-09
Post #39
And, I quote, from the poster you refer to:

"GBMY was busted for researching bogus information trying to discredit a prosecution witness".....
Not true. :no:

GBMY was not "busted" for anything.
GBMY simply mixed up the carriers of the newspapers, News Observer
and the Wall Street Journal......
GBMY realized the mistake, owned up to it and apologized.
This is a far cry from someone accusing someone of a crime and posting that they were going to be arrested.

It is also a far cry from posting their viewing of a personal autopsy report, causing the victim's family and friends much pain and grief.

GBMY whose initials stand for:
"God Bless Michelle Young" made a simple honest mistake.
Not intentionally, not trying to harm anyone, and certainly not trying to discredit any prosecution witnesses....

Glad I could clear this up for you and we can move on !!

Now, aren't we supposed to hear some news from the GJ today?
I believe it was posted that the DA was happy or elated.

JMO

Kat

[trucrime]

Why don't we deal with the facts themselves?
Reference: Thread dated 4-24-09
Post #39
And, I quote, from the poster you refer to:

"GBMY was busted for researching bogus information trying to discredit a prosecution witness".....
Not true. :no:

GBMY was not "busted" for anything.
GBMY simply mixed up the carriers of the newspapers, News Observer
and the Wall Street Journal......
GBMY realized the mistake, owned up to it and apologized.
This is a far cry from someone accusing someone of a crime and posting that they were going to be arrested.

It is also a far cry from posting their viewing of a personal autopsy report, causing the victim's family and friends much pain and grief.

GBMY whose initials stand for:
"God Bless Michelle Young" made a simple honest mistake.
Not intentionally, not trying to harm anyone, and certainly not trying to discredit any prosecution witnesses....

Glad I could clear this up for you and we can move on !!

Now, aren't we supposed to hear some news from the GJ today?
I believe it was posted that the DA was happy or elated.

JMO

Kat

Im sure the GJ is meeting today regarding some case. This specific case, who knows. But if you've heard that they're going to tackle this specific case, please post a link. I've heard the DA was happy too but who knows, Im waiting for something solid like an indictment/arrest. Im sure if it didnt happen today, it will be sooner or later. I wont hold it against them if it doesnt happen "today". JMO.

[Cardinal]

It wasn't me that posted that the DA was happy or elated regarding this case, as no one could possibly know that.
:wink:

Kat

Someone who works in the DA's office or even the Sheriff's office could know that. But I haven't seen that post - where is it?

[Kat4Eagles]

Someone who works in the DA's office or even the Sheriff's office could know that. But I haven't seen that post - where is it?



No idea, but, I would think all employees, in whatever capacity, would guard this or any other information from coming out.

I would certainly hope so anyway, in keeping with the integrity that L E has shown throughout this case.

Nothing seems to have come from it.....so.....who knows?
And,that is why I asked for a link.
And, probably why none was posted.
:shrug:
JMO

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Why don't we deal with the facts themselves?
Reference: Thread dated 4-24-09
Post #39
And, I quote, from the poster you refer to:

"GBMY was busted for researching bogus information trying to discredit a prosecution witness".....
Not true. :no:

GBMY was not "busted" for anything.
GBMY simply mixed up the carriers of the newspapers, News Observer
and the Wall Street Journal......
GBMY realized the mistake, owned up to it and apologized.
This is a far cry from someone accusing someone of a crime and posting that they were going to be arrested.

It is also a far cry from posting their viewing of a personal autopsy report, causing the victim's family and friends much pain and grief.

GBMY whose initials stand for:
"God Bless Michelle Young" made a simple honest mistake.
Not intentionally, not trying to harm anyone, and certainly not trying to discredit any prosecution witnesses....

Glad I could clear this up for you and we can move on !!

Now, aren't we supposed to hear some news from the GJ today?
I believe it was posted that the DA was happy or elated.

JMO

Kat

Please don't be so presumptive as to think that you could clear anything up for me. Why you brought GBMY into this I don't know? All I could fathom was he/she was so thrilled to have found what he/she thought was exculpatory evidence for Jason and his/her bubble was burst when it was pointed out the wrong carrier was being investigated. RPD did make a mistake in believing something a JII told him and he immediately apologised profusely for the error - and, as you apparently never saw that post, he didn't provide a link either so therefore you should also disregard that information as you say you do with all other non-linkable information.

As for the viewing and reporting of the autopsy report - it is public information and anyone is at liberty to go and view the report. If they then feel the need to report on it on a message board, that is their perogative. Did it hurt the family and friends? Probably, but I honestly don't know if they even read it. I'm referring to Michelle's family and friends - not Jason's friends who pose as friends of Michelle on this and other fora. They have shown just how much Michelle meant to them with some of their posts and their constant attempts to cast the suspicion on Michelle's beloved sister.

As far as the story about the ADA being elated, well how does one link to that if it is something you've been told? Alternatively, if you see people laughing and high-fiving one another (purely speculation on my part), one can deduce people are surely happy (or perhaps elated) about something and you can't link to it unless you have the forsight to take a photograph and post it on the www. It could and probably is wishful thinking that it pertains to Michelle's case.

I haven't seen anything about the GJ today - can you post a link please?

ETA: Why the need to tell us what GBMY means? From GBMY's posts, it doesn't seem to me that he/she is looking out for Michelle - rather trying to find any loopholes to use to Jason's advantage.

[Kat4Eagles]

<snipped>
I haven't seen anything about the GJ today - can you post a link please?



I have no clue what the GJ is doing today.......and would not even venture to guess or give false hope on something I know nothing about.
:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I wrote about both suspects some time back. I even reposted them and was chastised for that. If you want to read them check back on my posts.


Good to see you, Reborn.
I remember reading your theories.
It is still an open case, until there is an arrest.
That is something everyone should remember.
I will check back next week!!
:seeya:
Kat

[trucrime]

I have no clue what the GJ is doing today.......and would not even venture to guess or give false hope on something I know nothing about.
:)
Kat

So out of curiosity, if we hear nothing in the news tonight/tomorrow about the GJ working on this case - will you give another countdown, or complain its taking so long?

Just curious why you are now backing off the whole GJ thing, when normally you say the JDI's were saying "todays the day" (something like that) and how many months its been since Michelle was killed. JMO.

[Tia]

So out of curiosity, if we hear nothing in the news tonight/tomorrow about the GJ working on this case - will you give another countdown, or complain its taking so long?

Just curious why you are now backing off the whole GJ thing, when normally you say the JDI's were saying "todays the day" (something like that) and how many months its been since Michelle was killed. JMO.


I, for one, am counting down the days until Cassidy permanently is with Meredith and far away from the named slayer who never even bothered to fight for her.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I, for one, am counting down the days until Cassidy permanently is with Meredith and far away from the named slayer who never even bothered to fight for her.

JMO

That makes 2 of us Tia. With his family seemingly so expendable to him, I've always worried about what Jason is capable of if he feels the noose tightening too much. Even if Cassidy is 100% safe with him, just the fact that he deprived her of her maternal relatives immediately after losing her mom, imo, shows he does not have her best interests foremost in his mind.

[trucrime]

That makes 3 of us! I can't wait until Cassidy is permanently with Meredith. :thumbup: To think, all Jason had to do was offer up a reasonable visitation with the Fishers (after Michelle/Rylan were murdered IMO by Jason) and this all could have been avoided. JMO.

[enigma™]

:rose: For Michelle and Rylan. You are not forgotten. Justice will be served for you. Let us hope it comes in the near future.

MUO

[Tia]

:rose: For Michelle and Rylan. You are not forgotten. Justice will be served for you. Let us hope it comes in the near future.

MUO

Justice is coming!!

What reason do you think Jason gave his family for not fighting the civil case and for allowing Meredith primary physical custody?

[enigma™]

Justice is coming!!

What reason do you think Jason gave his family for not fighting the civil case and for allowing Meredith primary physical custody?


"My attorney advised me not to speak." That is the most likely response he gave. MUO

[Tia]

"My attorney advised me not to speak." That is the most likely response he gave. MUO


Most likely, I just can't see anyone really accepting that answer. He basically gave away his child without a fight. At this point, his family must be at the very least, curious about his guilt.


JMO

[enigma™]

Most likely, I just can't see anyone really accepting that answer. He basically gave away his child without a fight. At this point, his family must be at the very least, curious about his guilt.


JMO

It seems to have worked for him for 2+ years, I do not see him changing his tune. I believe his family knows he did this. They are likely preparing for the day his freedom ends. MUO

[Leanne Weich]

It seems to have worked for him for 2+ years, I do not see him changing his tune. I believe his family knows he did this. They are likely preparing for the day his freedom ends. MUO

if, God forbid, one of my kids was ever in JY's position, there is no way they'd get away with that excuse with me, nor do I think they'd be dumb enough to try it. My kids know that where my grandchildren are concerned, I'd kill for them and if they even contemplated handing custody to someone else, there'd be hell to pay. I know that if even if I'd held out all hope that he/she was not the killer of his/her spouse, all bets would be off then and I'd have to directly accuse them. I hope that at that point I'd make a phone call to LE to spill each and every thing that had appeared hinky to me for the last 2.5 years.

[Tia]

if, God forbid, one of my kids was ever in JY's position, there is no way they'd get away with that excuse with me, nor do I think they'd be dumb enough to try it. My kids know that where my grandchildren are concerned, I'd kill for them and if they even contemplated handing custody to someone else, there'd be hell to pay. I know that if even if I'd held out all hope that he/she was not the killer of his/her spouse, all bets would be off then and I'd have to directly accuse them. I hope that at that point I'd make a phone call to LE to spill each and every thing that had appeared hinky to me for the last 2.5 years.

Its similar to the Anthony case, the grandchild is all but forgotten and the family are doing everything in their power to protect the killer.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

Its similar to the Anthony case, the grandchild is all but forgotten and the family are doing everything in their power to protect the killer.

JMO

Doesn't it make you sick? My one daughter has been following this case with me since Michelle was murdered and she said very near the beginning "mom, Jason doesn't know how lucky he is that you're not his mother". Guess she knows me pretty well.

[trucrime]

Well with Scott Peterson just being arrested for Kathleen Savio's death... Im pretty confident that ONE DAY, Jason will be arrested for Michelle/Rylan's deaths. So to all the naysayers out there saying LE is taking too long, or why is it taking so long... sometimes these things just take time. JMO.

[Tia]

Well with Scott Peterson just being arrested for Kathleen Savio's death... Im pretty confident that ONE DAY, Jason will be arrested for Michelle/Rylan's deaths. So to all the naysayers out there saying LE is taking too long, or why is it taking so long... sometimes these things just take time. JMO.

That one took 5 years!!

(You mean Drew......?? :tongue:)

[Barbara2]

You mean Drew......?? :tongue:

It's easy to get all those Peterson boys mixed up. IMO

[Tia]

It's easy to get all those Peterson boys mixed up. IMO

I know, I typed Michael at first and had to edit!!
I hope Jason is shaking in his booties tonight. Justice is coming for Michelle and Rylan.

[Leanne Weich]

If nothing else, I guess this has JY worried. This proves that time is of no consequence to LE when they believe they have their man in their sight.

[Tia]

If nothing else, I guess this has JY worried. This proves that time is of no consequence to LE when they believe they have their man in their sight.

So true Leanne!!! :thumbsup:

[Tia]

This may help those concerned about how long an arrest is taking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO1YJu1Jy4Q&feature=related

[trucrime]

now THAT is hilarious... SCOTT hahaha.... I meant Drew.

even more funny I was trying to make a point and got the fact wrong. Scott was arrested much more quickly than Drew was - but they are both guilty IMO. Even though its taking a long time for Jason to come to justice, I feel its going to happen sooner or later. JMO.

[gbmy]

Justice is coming!!

What reason do you think Jason gave his family for not fighting the civil case and for allowing Meredith primary physical custody?
Jason's Mom has already made it clear that he is not talking based on the advice of an attorney he is paying. So, no other reason is needed. Now, this said, it must've been unbelievably hard for him to know he'd lose full custody of Cassidy in the process. End result was, he still sees Cassidy regularly while heeding the advice of his lawyer. That's what I believe to be true........

[gbmy]

if, God forbid, one of my kids was ever in JY's position, there is no way they'd get away with that excuse with me, nor do I think they'd be dumb enough to try it. My kids know that where my grandchildren are concerned, I'd kill for them and if they even contemplated handing custody to someone else, there'd be hell to pay. I know that if even if I'd held out all hope that he/she was not the killer of his/her spouse, all bets would be off then and I'd have to directly accuse them. I hope that at that point I'd make a phone call to LE to spill each and every thing that had appeared hinky to me for the last 2.5 years.
So, if he fought for Cassidy, was subsequently wrongly convicted, and then sentenced to life in prison (or worse yet death), would he have done the right thing? There's this notion out there that if a person is innocent then they should be 100% certain that they won't be arrested and sentenced for a crime that they did not commit. I don't subscribe to this notion. And, the facts support me because there have been many, many cases of wrongful conviction in this country.

[gbmy]

If nothing else, I guess this has JY worried. This proves that time is of no consequence to LE when they believe they have their man in their sight.
Let's say they arrest Jason in 50 years when he is pushing 90 with a 'rock solid', no doubt about it case against him. Would they have done the right thing?

Second question. If LE has their man in sight, if you were to venture a guess in terms of the % confidence level they have that a jury of 12 would find Jason guilty, what would that guess be?

[jerzeegirl]

Let's say they arrest Jason in 50 years when he is pushing 90 with a 'rock solid', no doubt about it case against him. Would they have done the right thing?

Second question. If LE has their man in sight, if you were to venture a guess in terms of the % confidence level they have that a jury of 12 would find Jason guilty, what would that guess be?


Maybe their confidence level increases with evidence. We dont know all the evidence and we surely dont know everything that LE knows.

And as far as waiting till jason is 90 to arrest him, if thats what it takes. A murderer should not be free if he can be convicted. If it takes the next 55 years to do so, so be it. Let him look over his shoulder every day, eggshells arent fun to walk on. Ask Drew Peterson, he did the egg shell walk for quite some time.

[gbmy]

Maybe their confidence level increases with evidence. We dont know all the evidence and we surely dont know everything that LE knows.

And as far as waiting till jason is 90 to arrest him, if thats what it takes. A murderer should not be free if he can be convicted. If it takes the next 55 years to do so, so be it. Let him look over his shoulder every day, eggshells arent fun to walk on. Ask Drew Peterson, he did the egg shell walk for quite some time.
Yeah, but I struggle with that because it doesn't give the Fisher's the official closure they are seeking. And, it allows murderer to be free, albeit walking on egg shells as you say. Somehow though, if JY did this, then he probably doesn't have much of a conscience and therefore might go on in life a lot happier and guilt-free than we'd like to see.

Personally, if they were 95% certain now that they could convince a jury of 12 he was guilty, I think they'd arrest him. I use 95% as just an example. Substitute 'very' confident, 'extremely' confident, or other types of words that avoid the use of #s.

[Leanne Weich]

So, if he fought for Cassidy, was subsequently wrongly convicted, and then sentenced to life in prison (or worse yet death), would he have done the right thing? There's this notion out there that if a person is innocent then they should be 100% certain that they won't be arrested and sentenced for a crime that they did not commit. I don't subscribe to this notion. And, the facts support me because there have been many, many cases of wrongful conviction in this country.

No, not at all. I just believe one must have the courage of their convictions. If you are not guilty, you'd fight for your child in the belief that it would be impossible to be wrongfully convicted. Of course, wrongful convictions can and do occur. However, many people rely on wrongful convictions to excuse indefensible behavior imo. The number of people proven to have been wrongfully convicted is miniscule when you compare them to the number of rightful convictions. If I was a POI or suspect in a crime, the last thing I'd think would be that I was going to be wrongfully convicted. If, however, I knew I was innocent and was scared of a wrongful conviction, I'd fight all the harder for my child so that he/she would know, in the event my conviction was overturned, that I didn't give up on him/her.

[jerzeegirl]

Yeah, but I struggle with that because it doesn't give the Fisher's the official closure they are seeking. And, it allows murderer to be free, albeit walking on egg shells as you say. Somehow though, if JY did this, then he probably doesn't have much of a conscience and therefore might go on in life a lot happier and guilt-free than we'd like to see.

Personally, if they were 95% certain now that they could convince a jury of 12 he was guilty, I think they'd arrest him. I use 95% as just an example. Substitute 'very' confident, 'extremely' confident, or other types of words that avoid the use of #s.

I understand what you are saying, if people posting on a forum are frustrated about this, I cant even imagine how michelles family feels. But they have done all they can do (wds, custody), the rest is in LE's hands. Unfortunately they cannot arrest and convict him in a court of law themselves. All they can do is hold on to hope, just as we all do. Meanwhile, they have taken every step they can to ensure that cassidy is taken care of. Jason is not their only concern. Im sure Kathleen Savios familly felt just as frustrated, geez, her death wasnt even considered a homicide till wife number four went missing. And he hasnt even been charged for her disappearance yet, that was two years ago i believe, 5 years for kathleen. This isnt CSI, unfortunately things move alot slower in the real world. I highly doubt 55 years will go by before an arrest in this case.

[Leanne Weich]

Maybe their confidence level increases with evidence. We dont know all the evidence and we surely dont know everything that LE knows.

And as far as waiting till jason is 90 to arrest him, if thats what it takes. A murderer should not be free if he can be convicted. If it takes the next 55 years to do so, so be it. Let him look over his shoulder every day, eggshells arent fun to walk on. Ask Drew Peterson, he did the egg shell walk for quite some time.

ITA with this. It's impossible to put a percentage on the certainty of the DA as we don't know what all they have.

I don't believe aanyone ever has a case which is a 100%. I believe the DA should probably consult with a DA from another county and present his case to him/her and get a second opinion at this point. I personally feel CW is being overly cautious. JMHOOC.

[gbmy]

No, not at all. I just believe one must have the courage of their convictions. If you are not guilty, you'd fight for your child in the belief that it would be impossible to be wrongfully convicted. Of course, wrongful convictions can and do occur. However, many people rely on wrongful convictions to excuse indefensible behavior imo. The number of people proven to have been wrongfully convicted is miniscule when you compare them to the number of rightful convictions. If I was a POI or suspect in a crime, the last thing I'd think would be that I was going to be wrongfully convicted. If, however, I knew I was innocent and was scared of a wrongful conviction, I'd fight all the harder for my child so that he/she would know, in the event my conviction was overturned, that I didn't give up on him/her.
Very well said and I think you make a compelling, sensible point.

[gbmy]

ITA with this. It's impossible to put a percentage on the certainty of the DA as we don't know what all they have.

I don't believe aanyone ever has a case which is a 100%. I believe the DA should probably consult with a DA from another county and present his case to him/her and get a second opinion at this point. I personally feel CW is being overly cautious. JMHOOC.
I agree with you on this also........Given all of the resources they've poured into investigating Jason over the last 2.5 years, all we've learned in the warrants, and all of the info theyare not sharing, I would think they'd have 'enough' to arrest him.

[jerzeegirl]

So, if he fought for Cassidy, was subsequently wrongly convicted, and then sentenced to life in prison (or worse yet death), would he have done the right thing? There's this notion out there that if a person is innocent then they should be 100% certain that they won't be arrested and sentenced for a crime that they did not commit. I don't subscribe to this notion. And, the facts support me because there have been many, many cases of wrongful conviction in this country.


Ok lets use a different analogy here. Lets use meredith for an example......

A few posters on here believe that meredith was and still is a suspect in her sisters murder. As a matter of fact i remember way back when, LE stated, everyone close to michelle is a suspect. Now add the fact that Meredith was at the crime scene, found her sister etc. Mix up about the keys and so on. Why isnt she in prison right now then? She spoke, gave many statements, put herself right in the line of fire for being deposed in the wds and custody case. But lo and behold, shes not only free, she has primary custody of her niece. Why didnt she contact a lawyer when the police showed up at the scene and not speak to them? She had just as much to lose as JY would if he is innocent. I believe the fact of the matter is that in Merediths eyes (not speaking for her), trying to find out who murdered her sister and assist LE with her sisters case outweighed the very small chance of her being arrested and wrongly convicted. Just remember, she was there under the spotlight in the beginning just as much as JY was.

[gbmy]

Ok lets use a different analogy here. Lets use meredith for an example......

A few posters on here believe that meredith was and still is a suspect in her sisters murder. As a matter of fact i remember way back when, LE stated, everyone close to michelle is a suspect. Now add the fact that Meredith was at the crime scene, found her sister etc. Mix up about the keys and so on. Why isnt she in prison right now then? She spoke, gave many statements, put herself right in the line of fire for being deposed in the wds and custody case. But lo and behold, shes not only free, she has primary custody of her niece. Why didnt she contact a lawyer when the police showed up at the scene and not speak to them? She had just as much to lose as JY would if he is innocent. I believe the fact of the matter is that in Merediths eyes (not speaking for her), trying to find out who murdered her sister and assist LE with her sisters case outweighed the very small chance of her being arrested and wrongly convicted. Just remember, she was there under the spotlight in the beginning just as much as JY was.
I'm not one of those posters that think Meredith had anything to do with this. I can honestly say that it never crossed my mind. But, that was not your point. No doubt, Jason's silence does not help him in the eyes of the public......It reeks of him having something to hide.

[jerzeegirl]

I'm not one of those posters that think Meredith had anything to do with this. I can honestly say that it never crossed my mind.

I understand that, im not saying that, that wasnt my point. My point was about cooperating with LE vs. not cooperating with LE. I only used Meredith as an example. I could have used the next door neighbor, same point.

[jerzeegirl]

I'm not one of those posters that think Meredith had anything to do with this. I can honestly say that it never crossed my mind. But, that was not your point. No doubt, Jason's silence does not help him in the eyes of the public......It reeks of him having something to hide.


jasons silence not helping him in the eyes of the public is small in comparison to jasons silence did not help LE in helping find out who killed his wife.

[Stellagant]

I understand that, im not saying that, that wasnt my point. My point was about cooperating with LE vs. not cooperating with LE. I only used Meredith as an example. I could have used the next door neighbor, same point.

Your point is as pointless as it was two years ago when you and others began insisting cooperation is evidence of innocence. There are search warrants in this case that cite Meredith Fisher's inconsistent statements to LE. Telling cops inconsistent statements isn't cooperation. Brad, Cooper, Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, Bobby Cutts and on and on gave inconsistent statements to cops. That's "cooperation" to you? Dateline just pointed out that Drew Peterson took two polygraphs and many of his answers were categorized as not deceptive and yet he's in the slammer. Reality is, cops don't automatically believe somebody just because they talk to them just as they don't automatically arrest somebody just because their lawyer advises them to remain silent.

[jerzeegirl]

Your point is as pointless as it was two years ago when you and others began insisting cooperation is evidence of innocence. There are search warrants in this case that cite Meredith Fisher's inconsistent statements to LE. Telling cops inconsistent statements isn't cooperation. Brad, Cooper, Scott Peterson, Casey Anthony, Bobby Cutts and on and on gave inconsistent statements to cops. That's "cooperation" to you? Dateline just pointed out that Drew Peterson took two polygraphs and many of his answers were categorized as not deceptive and yet he's in the slammer. Reality is, cops don't automatically believe somebody just because they talk to them just as they don't automatically arrest somebody just because their lawyer advises them to remain silent.

yeah and? i dont believe anyone here believes that either. So your point is pointless because not one person here believes anything you posted up there. Noone has stated anything like that.

[gbmy]

yeah and? i dont believe anyone here believes that either. So your point is pointless because not one person here believes anything you posted up there. Noone has stated anything like that.
Whoa Jerzeegirl, Stellagant makes a very solid point when he/she says"

"Reality is, cops don't automatically believe somebody just because they talk to them just as they don't automatically arrest somebody just because their lawyer advises them to remain silent."

This is articulated better than I personally could ever dream of!

[Barbara2]

Whoa Jerzeegirl, Stellagant makes a very solid point when he/she says"

"Reality is, cops don't automatically believe somebody just because they talk to them just as they don't automatically arrest somebody just because their lawyer advises them to remain silent."

This is articulated better than I personally could ever dream of!

Yes but....the point that Stellagant makes and has made since the beginning is not what people are saying. I don't believe that anyone thinks that just because someone cooperates they are innocent. Many guilty people cooperate. Many innocent people cooperate. Many guilty people refuse to cooperate. I don't know that any example has yet been given of an innocent person who refused to cooperate. IMO

[jerzeegirl]

Yes but....the point that Stellagant makes and has made since the beginning is not what people are saying. I don't believe that anyone thinks that just because someone cooperates they are innocent. Many guilty people cooperate. Many innocent people cooperate. Many guilty people refuse to cooperate. I don't know that any example has yet been given of an innocent person who refused to cooperate. IMO


exactly barbara. Im not new to this. What stella was stating isnt the opinion of me or others on this board so i dont understand who she is making a point to.

Casey Anthony talked her head off. Lies lies lies. Noone is saying that talking makes you innocent. But IF you are innocent, speaking to LE could at the very least assist them in finding out who killed your wife. That was my point in all my posts on here last night. Stell then responded with some stuff that i have no idea where it was coming from but she quoted my post as if making a point to me.

Innocent can keep silent all they want, does not make them guilty but what people dont understand the most miniscule detail about something could have shed light on the investigation. This could have been arranged with his lawyer as to protect his rights as an innocent person. Its been done many, many times, this is my point and always has been.

[gbmy]

Yes but....the point that Stellagant makes and has made since the beginning is not what people are saying. I don't believe that anyone thinks that just because someone cooperates they are innocent. Many guilty people cooperate. Many innocent people cooperate. Many guilty people refuse to cooperate. I don't know that any example has yet been given of an innocent person who refused to cooperate. IMO
I had to read this post 10 times to understand it and I'm still not sure I do. So, I need your help. Are you saying that you are not aware of any examples where a truly innocent person has remained silent? Or, put another way, are you saying that you are not aware of any examples where a truly innocent person has not cooperated?

Are you making a distinction between these 2 statements with respect to precedent you're aware of?

[Stellagant]

exactly barbara. Im not new to this. What stella was stating isnt the opinion of me or others on this board so i dont understand who she is making a point to.

Casey Anthony talked her head off. Lies lies lies. Noone is saying that talking makes you innocent. But IF you are innocent, speaking to LE could at the very least assist them in finding out who killed your wife. That was my point in all my posts on here last night. Stell then responded with some stuff that i have no idea where it was coming from but she quoted my post as if making a point to me.

Innocent can keep silent all they want, does not make them guilty but what people dont understand the most miniscule detail about something could have shed light on the investigation. This could have been arranged with his lawyer as to protect his rights as an innocent person. Its been done many, many times, this is my point and always has been.

Your point is based on your presumptions rather than fact. You presume Jason is guilty so you presume he knows information that will help solve the crime and also that he's intentionally withholding it from LE. You also presume Jason's family, friends, lawyer have not passed along any information on his behalf to LE. If cooperation really makes a difference between solving and not solving crimes, why haven't LE solved Jenna Nielsen's murder? Or Janet Abaroa's murder?

[Stellagant]

Yes but....the point that Stellagant makes and has made since the beginning is not what people are saying. I don't believe that anyone thinks that just because someone cooperates they are innocent. Many guilty people cooperate. Many innocent people cooperate. Many guilty people refuse to cooperate. I don't know that any example has yet been given of an innocent person who refused to cooperate. IMO

fyi: People who assert their constitutional right to silence and aren't charged with crimes are not usually a matter of public record, Barbara2.

[aproudmom]

is there no links to this case I guess I never heard about it..I guess I can just google her name and see what I can get

[Cardinal]

is there no links to this case I guess I never heard about it..I guess I can just google her name and see what I can get

There is a (locked) Michelle Young forum here with a links thread, but I don't believe it has been updated in a while.

Try this:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/4090063/?navkeyword=Michelle+Young



Happy Mother's Day, Michelle. :rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Card, I second your Mother's Day wish to Michelle too :rose: and also wish all the posters who are here in support of justice for Michelle a very happy day too.

[Cardinal]

I haven't followed JA case so can't comment on it. The reason I think they haven't solved JN's murder is because they didn't look at the husband. They believed he was home snug as a bug in a rug. My question would be what kind of husband would let their pregarant wife go out in the dark to deliver papers ? Maybe the killing kind. Did anyone notice how fast he got out of Raleigh? A big deal was made over Jason moving home to have help with his daughter but no one seemed to notice JN's husband high tailed it out of town.

Of course LE looked at Tim Nielsen. TN cooperated with LE and was ruled out. As for "letting" his wife deliver papers, JN's mother has been quoted as saying JN loved her job. And I don't call 15 months getting out of Raleigh "fast".

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3524037/

I do find it very interesting, however, that you think LE should have looked at the husband in the JN case, but not in Michelle's case.

[Stellagant]

Of course LE looked at Tim Nielsen. TN cooperated with LE and was ruled out. As for "letting" his wife deliver papers, JN's mother has been quoted as saying JN loved her job. And I don't call 15 months getting out of Raleigh "fast".

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3524037/

I do find it very interesting, however, that you think LE should have looked at the husband in the JN case, but not in Michelle's case.


Link to Nielsen being ruled out as a suspect. Thanks.

[Cardinal]

Link to Nielsen being ruled out as a suspect. Thanks.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/606281.html

"Police did say they think Nielsen did not know her killer.

"At this point, all indications are it was a random act of violence," Sughrue said."

You're welcome.

[Leanne Weich]

What are you talking about? LE has looked at Jason for 30 months. Where have I ever said they shouldn't have looked at him? Sometimes when you just can't prove something its time to move on. I think it's time LE moved on.

Fortunately, for JN's husband, h e cooperated with LE, didn't run away from his in-laws but stood shoulder to shoulder with them in an attempt to have the fetal law passed in NC. In other words, he helped LE eliminate him as a suspect - what a concept eh? Had Jason given LE the means to eliminate himself, he'd not still be looked at 30 months later although I do believe he'd be sitting in a 9' by 10' now. I couldn't find anything specifically saying he's been cleared but I guess saying they don't believe Jenna knew her murderer means the same thing.

[Stellagant]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/606281.html

"Police did say they think Nielsen did not know her killer.

"At this point, all indications are it was a random act of violence," Sughrue said."

You're welcome.

I'll thank you when you finally get around to providing what I requested which is a link proving your claim "TN cooperated with LE and was ruled was out."

[Stellagant]

Fortunately, for JN's husband, h e cooperated with LE, didn't run away from his in-laws but stood shoulder to shoulder with them in an attempt to have the fetal law passed in NC. In other words, he helped LE eliminate him as a suspect - what a concept eh? Had Jason given LE the means to eliminate himself, he'd not still be looked at 30 months later although I do believe he'd be sitting in a 9' by 10' now. I couldn't find anything specifically saying he's been cleared but I guess saying they don't believe Jenna knew her murderer means the same thing.

What cops believed two years ago and what they believe now may have changed. It's an unsolved murder and Jenna may not have seen the face of her killer.

[Stellagant]

LOL I thought the same thing. How did he prove he was sleeping?

He can't and for that reason I'm sure he's not been cleared as a suspect two years later despite the delusions of those who believe all a suspect has to do to clear themselves is talk to cops.

[aproudmom]

There is a (locked) Michelle Young forum here with a links thread, but I don't believe it has been updated in a while.

Try this:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/4090063/?navkeyword=Michelle+Young



Happy Mother's Day, Michelle. :rose:

Thank you so much wanted to read up on it..appreciate your reply

[Leanne Weich]

What cops believed two years ago and what they believe now may have changed. It's an unsolved murder and Jenna may not have seen the face of her killer.

Well, two years later, we are not seeing or hearing anything from LE which would lead me to believe that they've changed their opinion. Yet, more than 2 years later, JY is still the sole focus of LE'd investigation. I know that's a fact you hate to admit it to and likely wont.

[aproudmom]

O I remember this the sister found her and her child was there with her remember listening to the 911 call...thanks Card for posting the link for me...

[aproudmom]

Well, two years later, we are not seeing or hearing anything from LE which would lead me to believe that they've changed their opinion. Yet, more than 2 years later, JY is still the sole focus of LE'd investigation. I know that's a fact you hate to admit it to and likely wont.

Just from what I have read I see another Scott P. but JMO at this time since I am playing catch up..very sad anyone who woud kill a mother and leave the child there to roam around call the sister to go check on her something just smells alittle fishy IMO

[5swab5]

He can't and for that reason I'm sure he's not been cleared as a suspect two years later despite the delusions of those who believe all a suspect has to do to clear themselves is talk to cops.


Nothing delusional about it. LE will tell you that they look at uncooperative/lawyered-up suspects with the proverbial hairy eyeball. With good reason. Innocent people want perps found and brought to justice.

Innocent people do not cede PRIMARY custody of their only child, allow themselves to be declared a slayer and endure a 15+ million dollar judgment being entered against them, without so much as a whimper. MOO

[Tia]

Nothing delusional about it. LE will tell you that they look at uncooperative/lawyered-up suspects with the proverbial hairy eyeball. With good reason. Innocent people want perps found and brought to justice.

Innocent people do not cede PRIMARY custody of their only child, allow themselves to be declared a slayer and endure a 15+ million dollar judgment being entered against them, without so much as a whimper. MOO

I agree Swabby, I cannot imagine any innocent man doing what Jason has done.

Obviously he has plenty to hide if he willingly gave up all of that without a fight.

JMO

[Tia]

Just from what I have read I see another Scott P. but JMO at this time since I am playing catch up..very sad anyone who woud kill a mother and leave the child there to roam around call the sister to go check on her something just smells alittle fishy IMO

It smells more than a little fishy, IMO. Add to those facts that he allowed himself declared a slayer in civil court to avoid talking and allowed his SIL full primary physical custody of his daughter without a fight to avoid talking, well, it all adds up to a guilty man.

JMO

[Stellagant]

Well, two years later, we are not seeing or hearing anything from LE which would lead me to believe that they've changed their opinion. Yet, more than 2 years later, JY is still the sole focus of LE'd investigation. I know that's a fact you hate to admit it to and likely wont.

I guess you missed the search warrant for the Nielsen
husband's email accounts. :rolleyes: