Michelle Fisher Young 4-22-09 thru 5-21-09 [Archive] - Page 2

Stellagant

05-11-2009, 02:58 PM

Nothing delusional about it. LE will tell you that they look at uncooperative/lawyered-up suspects with the proverbial hairy eyeball. With good reason. Innocent people want perps found and brought to justice.

Innocent people do not cede PRIMARY custody of their only child, allow themselves to be declared a slayer and endure a 15+ million dollar judgment being entered against them, without so much as a whimper. MOO

Jason didn't cede primary LEGAL custody of his child nor did he relinquish full parental rights. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights to the child. I doubt she will be able to abide by the conditions of the agreement and it will fall apart long before August if it hasn't already.

trucrime

05-11-2009, 03:42 PM

I think it one of two things. Jason expects an arrest and lengthy trial and wanted Cassie out of the way. Jason expects sooner or later the real perps will be caught. I believe there was two at the scene and there is always the danger of one of them talking. I guess it could be he is in school and just decided she was to much on his mother.

Link to Jason being in school?

The only person Jason cares about is Jason. IMO the real and only perp will be arrested when Jason Lynn Young is. JMO.

trucrime

05-11-2009, 03:46 PM

Jason didn't cede primary LEGAL custody of his child nor did he relinquish full parental rights. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights to the child. I doubt she will be able to abide by the conditions of the agreement and it will fall apart long before August if it hasn't already.

Factually incorrect. Meredith has primary physical custody and joint legal custody. Those are parental rights. Feel free to deny this, but the truth is in the form of a legal document all parties signed including the judge.

If you care to further insinuate Meredith having broken the conditions of the agreement, post a link - otherwise you are just spewing more rumors/false info. JMO.

Tia

05-11-2009, 04:06 PM

Factually incorrect. Meredith has primary physical custody and joint legal custody. Those are parental rights. Feel free to deny this, but the truth is in the form of a legal document all parties signed including the judge.

If you care to further insinuate Meredith having broken the conditions of the agreement, post a link - otherwise you are just spewing more rumors/false info. JMO.

You are right about the parental rights TC.

I too thought we could not post "rumors" here.

5swab5

05-11-2009, 04:14 PM

Jason didn't cede primary LEGAL custody of his child nor did he relinquish full parental rights. Meredith Fisher has no parental rights to the child. I doubt she will be able to abide by the conditions of the agreement and it will fall apart long before August if it hasn't already.

I'm not going to split hairs with you.

FACTS are:

Jason had sole custody of Cassidy.

Jason gave PRIMARY physical custody to Meredith starting August 1st of this year, they are already past 4 of the 6 transition visits.

Jason will be a weekend dad. He can enjoy his custodial time, if he even continues to bother to pick Cassidy up on his appointed days. He will NOT be the primary care giver, the torch is set to be passed.

Jason traded his daughter, so the Fishers wouldn't continue discovery and compel him to take a deposition. The slayer couldn't stand the heat, he has a lot of dirty laundry. MOO

Stellagant

05-11-2009, 04:57 PM

I'm not going to split hairs with you.

FACTS are:

Jason had sole custody of Cassidy.

Jason gave PRIMARY physical custody to Meredith starting August 1st of this year, they are already past 4 of the 6 transition visits.

Jason will be a weekend dad. He can enjoy his custodial time, if he even continues to bother to pick Cassidy up on his appointed days. He will NOT be the primary care giver, the torch is set to be passed.

Jason traded his daughter, so the Fishers wouldn't continue discovery and compel him to take a deposition. The slayer couldn't stand the heat, he has a lot of dirty laundry. MOO

Jason still has SOLE legal custody of his child. He's the only parent. He agreed to share custody but he did NOT give anything up other than visitation, which is always the decision of the parent. The Fishers didn't have to agree to his terms but now that they have done so, they can't revisit the issues they raised if Jason changes his mind. It's really a briallant legal move by Jason's attorney.

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:09 PM

Well with Scott Peterson just being arrested for Kathleen Savio's death... Im pretty confident that ONE DAY, Jason will be arrested for Michelle/Rylan's deaths. So to all the naysayers out there saying LE is taking too long, or why is it taking so long... sometimes these things just take time. JMO.

Huh??
Scott Peterson killed Drew Peterson's wife?
:confused:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:13 PM

If nothing else, I guess this has JY worried. This proves that time is of no consequence to LE when they believe they have their man in their sight.

Not true.:no:
It did not take 5 years to arrest DP, the case wasn't even labeled as suspicious until his last wife went missing, approx 18 months ago.
That is when they started digging (no pun intended) into Kathleen's death.

The Michelle Young case is now over 30 months old......and Michelle's death was never listed originally as accidental.........
:rolleyes:

BTW, this is the Michelle Young thread.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Let's say they arrest Jason in 50 years when he is pushing 90 with a 'rock solid', no doubt about it case against him. Would they have done the right thing?

Second question. If LE has their man in sight, if you were to venture a guess in terms of the % confidence level they have that a jury of 12 would find Jason guilty, what would that guess be?

Good to see you back, GBMY. :seeya:
I wanted to ask you or anyone who knows if it is possible this case has already gone in front of a GJ,and they have failed to indict for lack of evidence or other reasons ?

Is it true a GJ can listen to a case for a certain period of time, and then have to either indict or pass on it and the DA has to wait for a new GJ to be formed?
I think it is up to one year, I have to look it up.
Do you know?
TIA.
:)
Kat
ETA: I did some fast research, and for some states the laws vary.

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:24 PM

Whoa Jerzeegirl, Stellagant makes a very solid point when he/she says"

"Reality is, cops don't automatically believe somebody just because they talk to them just as they don't automatically arrest somebody just because their lawyer advises them to remain silent."

This is articulated better than I personally could ever dream of!

I could not agree more.
:thumbsup:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:29 PM

I agree with you on this also........Given all of the resources they've poured into investigating Jason over the last 2.5 years, all we've learned in the warrants, and all of the info theyare not sharing, I would think they'd have 'enough' to arrest him.

That has to bet the most puzzling part, the fact that they are supposed to have "all that" and more.....
And, still no arrest.

I would love to know what is tripping them up!

There must be something on Jason's side or in his favor that we are completely unaware of..

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:32 PM

Link to Jason being in school?

The only person Jason cares about is Jason. IMO the real and only perp will be arrested when Jason Lynn Young is. JMO.

I would like one too.
When I questioned the post made about him being on Spring Break, I never got one either.
:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:37 PM

I'm not going to split hairs with you.

FACTS are:

>snipped>

Jason traded his daughter, so the Fishers wouldn't continue discovery and compel him to take a deposition. The slayer couldn't stand the heat, he has a lot of dirty laundry. MOO

It could have very well been his relationship with MM, and that he wanted to protect both her and his daughter from more coming out.

It does not necessarily mean he killed Michelle or that is the reason
he chose not to fight the WDS suit .

And, he did not lose a custody suit.
A mutual agreement was made between both parties.

I have no idea why Jason so easily agreed to it, however......that is one thing I am not going to defend him on.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 05:40 PM

dkny

05-11-2009, 05:56 PM

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 06:19 PM

Good to see you back, GBMY. :seeya:
I wanted to ask you or anyone who knows if it is possible this case has already gone in front of a GJ,and they have failed to indict for lack of evidence or other reasons ?

Is it true a GJ can listen to a case for a certain period of time, and then have to either indict or pass on it and the DA has to wait for a new GJ to be formed?
I think it is up to one year, I have to look it up.
Do you know?
TIA.
:)
Kat
ETA: I did some fast research, and for some states the laws vary.

I found a good GJ link.......for the NC Grand Juries Process.

http://www.nced.uscourts.gov/html/juryGrandJuryFaq.htm.

:)
Kat

Basically, there are 23 jurors who come together to hear testimony or be presented with evidence they feel is sufficent enough to indict.
They meet once or twice a month.
They usually serve 18 months, sometimes 24 months.
If a GJ fails to indict, it may then be brought before a petit or a trial jury to determine guilt or innocence.

Leanne Weich

05-11-2009, 06:29 PM

I guess you missed the search warrant for the Nielsen
husband's email accounts. :rolleyes:

Nope, didn't miss anything and it appears nor did LE. They haven't spent 2 years trying to find evidence to rairoad Tim. I guess, when what they assume could be evidence, leads them to a dead end, they move on to more fertile pastures.

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 06:40 PM

Nope, didn't miss anything and it appears nor did LE. They haven't spent 2 years trying to find evidence to rairoad Tim. I guess, when what they assume could be evidence, leads them to a dead end, they move on to more fertile pastures.

And, for all we know, the same could be said for this case,
the Michelle Young case !!
The last warrants are what, 2-3 months old now?
Who knows what is happening!!
I am very curious though to see if this case has indeed been brought to the GJ yet.
Kat

Leanne Weich

05-11-2009, 06:43 PM

Not true.:no:
It did not take 5 years to arrest DP, the case wasn't even labeled as suspicious until his last wife went missing, approx 18 months ago.
That is when they started digging (no pun intended) into Kathleen's death.

The Michelle Young case is now over 30 months old......and Michelle's death was never listed originally as accidental.........

BTW, this is the Michelle Young thread.
Kat

It did take 5 years to arrest DP even though the case was not labelled suspicious by LE until Stacey went missing. Of Course, had DP not surrounded himselves with enablers and had the truth come out when Kathleen died, a beautiful young woman might be alive today. Hopefully, his arrest has spared Christine's Raines' life.

Whilst anyone who has been posting here for 30 months knows this is the Michelle Young thread, sometimes another case is used to prove that although a case may be cold and the victim, dead and buried, it is never cold per se if additional evidence comes to light.

IIRC, you were the one who brought up the subject of SP's arrest among the many other subjects you bring up here which have nothing to do with Michelle.:thumbdown::no:

thankxxs and I hope this helps.

Stellagant

05-11-2009, 06:45 PM

It could have very well been his relationship with MM, and that he wanted to protect both her and his daughter from more coming out.

It does not necessarily mean he killed Michelle or that is the reason
he chose not to fight the WDS suit .

And, he did not lose a custody suit.
A mutual agreement was made between both parties.

I have no idea why Jason so easily agreed to it, however......that is one thing I am not going to defend him on.

Kat

I think Jason so easily agreed to it for the same reason he agreed to remain silent: his lawyer advised him to do so. It was a challenge to lead the way to termination of his parental rights. That challenge is now defeated.

Leanne Weich

05-11-2009, 06:48 PM

And, for all we know, the same could be said for this case,
the Michelle Young case !!
The last warrants are what, 2-3 months old now?
Who knows what is happening!!
I am very curious though to see if this case has indeed been brought to the GJ yet.
KatI wont argue with your timeline of 2-3 months because, as we all know, you're the one and only person who gets satisfaction from counting down all facets of this case. I wouls hazard a guess that it takes quite a while for all the data collected from the various ISPs to be analysed. One thing is for sure, I'm not chucking in the towel yet.

5swab5

05-11-2009, 06:50 PM

Jason still has SOLE legal custody of his child. He's the only parent. He agreed to share custody but he did NOT give anything up other than visitation, which is always the decision of the parent. The Fishers didn't have to agree to his terms but now that they have done so, they can't revisit the issues they raised if Jason changes his mind. It's really a briallant legal move by Jason's attorney.

WRONG!

Under the Decree section of the Child Custody Consent Order, top of page 3...#2:

Legal Custody. Meredith Fisher and Jason Young shall exercise JOINT legal custody of Cassidy. This means that major decisions affecting health, education, and welfare of Cassidy shall be made JOINTLY between Meredith Fisher and Jason Young. (emphasis mine)

Before Jason decided to use Cassidy as a pawn, he had total control of her, now he will have joint legal custody and custodial visitation. Cassidy will live with Meredith, Jason will be a sometimes dad/visitor and soon fade into obscurity. You can spin it all you want, but you are stating things as fact that are in DIRECT contrast to the order signed on 2-6-09.

Jason won't change a thing. He dare not. That discovery, psyche exam and deposition are still looming over his head. He used Cassidy to barter his way around them. What a father. MOO

Stellagant

05-11-2009, 06:53 PM

Stellagant

05-11-2009, 07:04 PM

WRONG!

Under the Decree section of the Child Custody Consent Order, top of page 3...#2:

Legal Custody. Meredith Fisher and Jason Young shall exercise JOINT legal custody of Cassidy. This means that major decisions affecting health, education, and welfare of Cassidy shall be made JOINTLY between Meredith Fisher and Jason Young. (emphasis mine)

Before Jason decided to use Cassidy as a pawn, he had total control of her, now he will have joint legal custody and custodial visitation. Cassidy will live with Meredith, Jason will be a sometimes dad/visitor and soon fade into obscurity. You can spin it all you want, but you are stating things as fact that are in DIRECT contrast to the order signed on 2-6-09.

Jason won't change a thing. He dare not. That discovery, psyche exam and deposition are still looming over his head. He used Cassidy to barter his way around them. What a father. MOO

Your opinion that I am wrong is not based on anything legally factual. Exercising joint custody is not the same as exercising parental rights. The discovery, psych exam and deposition are now over by mutual agreement and no judge will revisit it. Perhaps you could open a few law books.

Jason still has his parental rights and Meredith has none. Agreeing to share legal custody does not give Meredith any parental rights. Jason could be arrested tomorrow and Meredith would have to fight out custody with anyone else who applies for it.

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:12 PM

I wont argue with your timeline of 2-3 months because, as we all know, you're the one and only person who gets satisfaction from counting down all facets of this case. I wouls hazard a guess that it takes quite a while for all the data collected from the various ISPs to be analysed. One thing is for sure, I'm not chucking in the towel yet.

The last s/w's were released in March, this is May......

Timelines are important, especially when nothing is happening !!

But,if there had been an arrest, there would be no reason to count anything, would there?

No one is asking anyone to throw in anything.
:biggrin:

Kat

5swab5

05-11-2009, 07:14 PM

Your opinion that I am wrong is not based on anything legally factual. (Snipped).

My opinion that you are wrong is based on your post. You stated...Jason still has SOLE legal custody of his child. That is, was and continues to be a blatant misrepresentation of the facts as laid down in the Child Custody Order. 4 of 6 transition visits were completed today. August 1st. Cassidy will be looking at Brevard and the slayer through a rear view mirror. Hopefully for the last time.

Jason has given away his rights as sole legal guardian. He has also given away PRIMARY physical custody of Cassidy. The only things he has left to give IMO, are his wrists for the cuffs. MOO

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:23 PM

It did take 5 years to arrest DP even though the case was not labelled suspicious by LE until Stacey went missing. Of Course, had DP not surrounded himselves with enablers and had the truth come out when Kathleen died, a beautiful young woman might be alive today. Hopefully, his arrest has spared Christine's Raines' life.

Whilst anyone who has been posting here for 30 months knows this is the Michelle Young thread, sometimes another case is used to prove that although a case may be cold and the victim, dead and buried, it is never cold per se if additional evidence comes to light.

IIRC, you were the one who brought up the subject of SP's arrest among the many other subjects you bring up here which have nothing to do with Michelle.

thankxxs and I hope this helps.

Still not true, it has been 5 years since the death of Kathleen, and I could not agree with you more about how tragic it was, or how happy I am. that he is now locked up.

But, the case was not investigated for 5 long years, or 2 and a half long years like this one.

Someone posted it took 5 years to arrest him, nope,in fact, he almost got away with it.

I don't mind talking other cases, I briefly mentioned the Nancy Cooper case last week, and was reminded this was the Michelle Young case and to stay on topic.:wink:

Enablers can not keep people from being arrested if the evidence is there, it wouldn't matter how great someone's support system was, L E is still going to get you!!

Anytime and you are welcome!!

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:27 PM

Your opinion that I am wrong is not based on anything legally factual. Exercising joint custody is not the same as exercising parental rights. The discovery, psych exam and deposition are now over by mutual agreement and no judge will revisit it. Perhaps you could open a few law books.

Jason still has his parental rights and Meredith has none. Agreeing to share legal custody does not give Meredith any parental rights. Jason could be arrested tomorrow and Meredith would have to fight out custody with anyone else who applies for it.

You are right, as usual!!

Even though Brad Cooper has been charged in his wife's death, he still has custody of his children ...although, the court has recently been petitioned for a hearing.

Maybe they have to wait for a conviction???

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:31 PM

I think Jason so easily agreed to it for the same reason he agreed to remain silent: his lawyer advised him to do so. It was a challenge to lead the way to termination of his parental rights. That challenge is now defeated.

We know Jason had legal rep. when he asked for the case to either be dismissed, moved, and/or postponed.

Then something happened where they came to an agreement, although I am sure he depended heavily on his attorney's advice.

At any rate, nothing has happened since.

Another week gone by.........wow.

:confused:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:41 PM

FACT: LE hasn't eliminated Tim as a suspect as you have insisted.

We don't hear much about that case, do we?

I noticed that it may have been around the time that L E decided to accept Progress Energy's offer for reward money, that maybe something in this case wasn't going right.

I remember reading that P E had made a similiar offer before, but LE turned them down.
Maybe they didn't feel they needed any outside help with the case then.

I wonder what changed their minds.

All of this is JMO and IMO..of course.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-11-2009, 07:49 PM

I.
<snipped>
I wouls hazard a guess that it takes quite a while for all the data collected from the various ISPs to be analysed. One thing is for sure, I'm not chucking in the towel yet.

Re:
Sorry, I missed this comment about waiting for more info or on more stuff to be analyzed?

What more could they possibly need to just get an indictment.?

If they are waiting for emails to close the investigation, that sounds like a weak finish, not a strong one.

This case worries me.
:(

Kat

trucrime

05-11-2009, 09:47 PM

You will have to wade through a lot of stuff but its the 3:44 pm post. I don't know where Blue Ridge tech is but I guess it must be close to Brevard.

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/9-vt137.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200

:no: Sorry but a link to another board is not a valid news source stating he's gone back to school. Can you either ask CW if its ok to do this type of thing (ie spreading what can be false rumors) or stop doing it? Some here may think its actually fact what you are saying, and sorry but a message board doesnt cut it for me personally. JMO.

trucrime

05-11-2009, 09:49 PM

Re:
Sorry, I missed this comment about waiting for more info or on more stuff to be analyzed?

What more could they possibly need to just get an indictment.?

If they are waiting for emails to close the investigation, that sounds like a weak finish, not a strong one.

This case worries me.
:(

Kat

Any finish IMO is a strong one. Bringing the perpetrator (IMO Jason Young) to justice is a step in the right direction. No need to over-analyze IMO especially when you dont know what the hold up is. Its speculation otherwise. JMO.

Leanne Weich

05-11-2009, 11:08 PM

FACT: LE hasn't eliminated Tim as a suspect as you have insisted.

A link to Tim being named a suspect would be appreciated, thanks.

Leanne Weich

05-11-2009, 11:17 PM

Re:
Sorry, I missed this comment about waiting for more info or on more stuff to be analyzed?

What more could they possibly need to just get an indictment.?

If they are waiting for emails to close the investigation, that sounds like a weak finish, not a strong one.

This case worries me.
:(

Kat

I have no doubt CW could have got an indictment ages ago if his goal was only to get an indictment. However, once an indictment is handed down and Jason is arrested, things move forward at Jason's attorney's pace. CW is overly cautious, imo, and it is my opinion that if there is only a miniscule chance of anything coming from the email accounts, he'll grab it with both hands.

Tia

05-11-2009, 11:58 PM

You are right. I should not have just belived it . That was what happened with the Meredith story. Maybe he isn't in school. Maybe there will be a retraction. Sorry I will watch from now on about stories that are posted.

Yes. Those posts that you linked are from people that know Jason and live in Brevard. I find them credible, but I know that those posts shouldn't be put here.

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 12:13 AM

Kat good to see you. What worries me is LE seems to only be looking at Jason. No warrants for any one else. I guess if they can't get enough evidence to indict Jason it will be an unsolved case.

Hi Reborn, you too...:)

I don't know who or what they are looking at !!
It seems what started out as a "sure thing" or a "slam dunk",has turned into anything but.........
Very troubling for those of us who have waited and are wanting justice for Michelle.

JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 12:17 AM

Any finish IMO is a strong one. Bringing the perpetrator (IMO Jason Young) to justice is a step in the right direction. No need to over-analyze IMO especially when you dont know what the hold up is. Its speculation otherwise. JMO.

All posts here, at this point, are purely speculation, it seems.
It is why we add JMO or IMO at the end of them.
Come to think of it, most of the posts promising something would happen, must have been pure speculation as well, since none of them have come true, have they?
:shrug:
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 12:24 AM

You are right. I should not have just belived it . That was what happened with the Meredith story. Maybe he isn't in school. Maybe there will be a retraction. Sorry I will watch from now on about stories that are posted.

The only way to give any of these "stories" value or merit would be, if any of them were to be proven true...

So, far nothing has.........which is why I think a lot of people left.
To be promised or assured almost on a daily basis that something would happen without producing any results has worn thin..................

It is now more like " I will believe it when I see it" which is the way it always should have been..........

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 12:26 AM

I have no doubt CW could have got an indictment ages ago if his goal was only to get an indictment. However, once an indictment is handed down and Jason is arrested, things move forward at Jason's attorney's pace. CW is overly cautious, imo, and it is my opinion that if there is only a miniscule chance of anything coming from the email accounts, he'll grab it with both hands.

It is now 30+plus months into the investigation, so, when do you think they will be ready?
Not that I am expecting an answer, no one knows.
:rose: 4 Michelle
Kat

Stellagant

05-12-2009, 12:37 AM

A link to Tim being named a suspect would be appreciated, thanks.

Now you're going in circles. You're the one who has repeatedly insisted Tim Nielsen has been cleared a suspect and you've not provided any links to support your claim. I simply pointed out that months after his wife's murder there were search warrants for LE to investigate Nielsen's email accounts just as there has been in the Young case. LE hasn't ever said they have cleared anyone in either of these cases.

Stellagant

05-12-2009, 12:42 AM

You are right, as usual!!

Even though Brad Cooper has been charged in his wife's death, he still has custody of his children ...although, the court has recently been petitioned for a hearing.

Maybe they have to wait for a conviction???

Kat

Not only do they have to wait for a conviction, they also have to wait for a lengthy sentence to be imposed. Incarcerated people do not automatically lose their parental rights. His case is hardly a slam-dunk for the DA, imo.

Stellagant

05-12-2009, 12:46 AM

I have no doubt CW could have got an indictment ages ago if his goal was only to get an indictment. However, once an indictment is handed down and Jason is arrested, things move forward at Jason's attorney's pace. CW is overly cautious, imo, and it is my opinion that if there is only a miniscule chance of anything coming from the email accounts, he'll grab it with both hands.

So, you're now saying the DA is a fortune teller and just somehow knows there is more evidence just waiting to be discovered?

I think you're engaging in wishful thinking. An indictment is not possible unless the DA persuades a grand jury that Jason Young had opportunity. Obviously, he has been unable meet that burden.

Stellagant

05-12-2009, 12:49 AM

Kat good to see you. What worries me is LE seems to only be looking at Jason. No warrants for any one else. I guess if they can't get enough evidence to indict Jason it will be an unsolved case.

Reborn, LE could be sitting on more search warrants just as they sat on the warrant that cited Meredith's inconsistent statements to LE. They sat on that one for nearly a year before returning it and then sealing it.

Stellagant

05-12-2009, 12:52 AM

You are right. I should not have just belived it . That was what happened with the Meredith story. Maybe he isn't in school. Maybe there will be a retraction. Sorry I will watch from now on about stories that are posted.

Watch where the stories are posted. I've found anonymous blogs aren't reliable for much of anything and become a waste of time.

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 01:53 AM

Not only do they have to wait for a conviction, they also have to wait for a lengthy sentence to be imposed. Incarcerated people do not automatically lose their parental rights. His case is hardly a slam-dunk for the DA, imo.

You are right again !!
I read this on the D. Peterson case where custody of his children is in the news tonite.

"A parent whose rights have not been terminated has the right to designate a guardian in writing"...........

Kat

Leanne Weich

05-12-2009, 04:33 AM

Now you're going in circles. You're the one who has repeatedly insisted Tim Nielsen has been cleared a suspect and you've not provided any links to support your claim. I simply pointed out that months after his wife's murder there were search warrants for LE to investigate Nielsen's email accounts just as there has been in the Young case. LE hasn't ever said they have cleared anyone in either of these cases.

I never said Tim was a suspect but, as we all know - well, almost everyone knows, hth spouse of a murder victim is looked at first and eliminated if possible. Tm answered all LE's questions was never, to my knowledge a suspect and has moved on, IIRC, to college in another state. Pity Jason didn't do the same and he could have perhaps moved on to Puerto Rico with his daughter and not have to settle for bi-weekly visits in the not too distant future. BTW, 1 SW for the husband of a murder victim is the standard M.O. and should not be confused with being proof of suspect status, imo.

Leanne Weich

05-12-2009, 04:36 AM

So, you're now saying the DA is a fortune teller and just somehow knows there is more evidence just waiting to be discovered?

I think you're engaging in wishful thinking. An indictment is not possible unless the DA persuades a grand jury that Jason Young had opportunity. Obviously, he has been unable meet that burden.

Np, not at all - CW obviously wants the strongest hand possible to prove his case at trial. The only wishful thinking I'm engaging in is that bbaiting isn't allowed here - it smell the place up.

BSNBREVARDNC

05-12-2009, 10:50 AM

Tia

05-12-2009, 12:00 PM

Leanne Weich

05-12-2009, 01:23 PM

Who else are the cops supposed to investigate in a case when all the evidence points to one person?

From everything that has been released about the case it doesn't look to good for Jay. All the released evidence points to him. How could the cops justify looking somewhere that the evidence does not point to?

JMO

Maybe LE should contract with reborn and stell if they are in dire need of people to pursue, although maybe only reborn as I think they both feel Meredith needs to be investigated. Oh boy, what happened to my typing yesterday?

Tia

05-12-2009, 02:09 PM

Maybe LE should contract with reborn and stell if they are in dire need of people to pursue, although maybe only reborn as I think they both feel Meredith needs to be investigated. Oh boy, what happened to my typing yesterday?

Well, IMO, the JII's are simply laying the groundwork for when Jason is arrested. I think they know its coming and are preparing the defense (LE never looked at anyone else).

JMO

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 02:37 PM

Maybe LE should contract with reborn and stell if they are in dire need of people to pursue, although maybe only reborn as I think they both feel Meredith needs to be investigated. Oh boy, what happened to my typing yesterday?

I don't think "we" are allowed to specifically call out other posters for what they think , do you?

They didn't post their feeelings as fact ,or promise us that they were suspects. or lead us to believe they were going to be arrested at any moment, did they?

It is an open case and until someone is charged, if they ever are, people know that they are responsible for what they post here and for the most part, have acted accordingly..

I realize that with each day passes and the fact that no one has had to answer for this murder, the frustration people must feel.

After all, we are 2 and a half years plus into this investigation.

However, it is not any poster's fault that they can not make an arrest in this case. and what someone posts is not going to change a thing either way.

It won't change the guilt or innocence of anyone involved in the murder of Michelle Young.

Hope this helps everyone to understand that.

JMO

Kat

Tia

05-12-2009, 02:49 PM

Who else are the cops supposed to investigate in a case when all the evidence points to one person?

From everything that has been released about the case it doesn't look to good for Jay. All the released evidence points to him. How could the cops justify looking somewhere that the evidence does not point to?

JMO

IMO, everyone was already investigated back when Donnie Harrison said "everyone was a suspect". Since then, IMO eveyone has been ruled out but Jason.

Jason, who allowed himself named a slayer without any type of fight or denial.

Jason, the Slayer, who allowed primary physical custody of his daughter to go to his SIL.

What a guy!

BSNBREVARDNC

05-12-2009, 02:50 PM

I don't think "we" are allowed to specifically call out other posters for what they think , do you?

--Snipped--

JMO

Kat

Isn't this what we do when we utilize the quote function? We identify or "call out" a specific poster for what they think and what have posted. Then we post our own comment or opinion. Are we to no longer use the quote function?

BSNBREVARDNC

05-12-2009, 02:53 PM

IMO, everyone was already investigated back when Donnie Harrison said "everyone was a suspect". Since then, IMO eveyone has been ruled out but Jason.

Jason, who allowed himself named a slayer without any type of fight or denial.

Jason, the Slayer, who allowed primary physical custody of his daughter to go to his SIL.

What a guy!

I agree.

Therefore it would be a waste of time to start investigating people that have been cleared or are not suspected. How would the cops even begin to investigate someone who is not suspected in the case? How would they proceed without any evidence to lead them to look at another person? Wouldn't it be a form of malpractice to stop looking where the evidence is leading?
JMO

Tia

05-12-2009, 02:59 PM

I agree.

Therefore it would be a waste of time to start investigating people that have been cleared or are not suspected. How would the cops even begin to investigate someone who is not suspected in the case? How would they proceed without any evidence to lead them to look at another person? Wouldn't it be a form of malpractice to stop looking where the evidence is leading?
JMO

Exactly.

Also, IMO, some seem to have so much hatred for Meredith that they want to see her arrested for Michelle's murder regardless of evidence.

Come on, even Alan Fisher suspected Jason!

JMO

BSNBREVARDNC

05-12-2009, 03:24 PM

Do you have a link to EVERYONE that was investigated? I don't recall any warrants going out to search anyones homes but Jason and his family. I think the custody thing has pretty much been run into the ground. Seems some can't make a post without mentioning that. I think Jason was made a slayer by a disgrundled MIL and Det who had an opinion. If we are to believe everthing we read on these forums Jason's MIL didn't have the grace to let him bury his wife in pease. So we might gather that she is behind the push to have Jason arrested even if he isn't guilty. Lets try looking at who has Cassie and who has all the money.

OR

We could look at who gave up all the money and CY just to keep from talking, giving a deposition, getting a psych exam, etc.:w00t:

JMO

Tia

05-12-2009, 03:27 PM

OR

We could look at who gave up all the money and CY just to keep from talking, giving a deposition, getting a psych exam, etc.:w00t:

JMO

:thumbsup:
Seems pretty simple to me! And it makes perfect sense. An innocent man would do nothing the way Jason did, IMO.

beattherap

05-12-2009, 03:45 PM

Well, IMO, the JII's are simply laying the groundwork for when Jason is arrested. I think they know its coming and are preparing the defense (LE never looked at anyone else).

JMO
i check this thread once in a while to see if anything's new... one thing that Isn't new are these predictions that jy's arrest is coming... i've seen predictions of 'next week,' 'soon,' 'when the grand jury meets,' etc....

the beauty of your position is, you can never be wrong.
imo.

Tia

05-12-2009, 04:02 PM

i check this thread once in a while to see if anything's new... one thing that Isn't new are these predictions that jy's arrest is coming... i've seen predictions of 'next week,' 'soon,' 'when the grand jury meets,' etc....

the beauty of your position is, you can never be wrong.
imo.

Interesting post, but not true. I could very well be wrong if Jason is never arrested and is cleared as a suspect, of if someone else is found guilty of murdering Michelle.

I personally have never predicted a date, however, knowing what I know, Jason Young will be arrested. Now THAT is the beauty of my position:smile:

JMO

enigma™

05-12-2009, 04:54 PM

Interesting post, but not true. I could very well be wrong if Jason is never arrested and is cleared as a suspect, of if someone else is found guilty of murdering Michelle.

I personally have never predicted a date, however, knowing what I know, Jason Young will be arrested. Now THAT is the beauty of my position:smile:

JMO

I would like to know where the term "slam dunk" came from regarding this case. From the outset it was described as "complicated". (K4E's post at 11:13 p.m. last evening) MUO

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 05:04 PM

Isn't this what we do when we utilize the quote function? We identify or "call out" a specific poster for what they think and what have posted. Then we post our own comment or opinion. Are we to no longer use the quote function?

It was in reference to a post that suggested L E should contact anyone who had suspicions about someone other than Jason being a suspect.

^^^^
See how that is done without naming names or being insulting.
:)
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 05:11 PM

i check this thread once in a while to see if anything's new... one thing that Isn't new are these predictions that jy's arrest is coming... i've seen predictions of 'next week,' 'soon,' 'when the grand jury meets,' etc....

the beauty of your position is, you can never be wrong.
imo.

Nothing could be more true.
There were times when posts here stated an arrest appeared to be so imminent, that one was afraid to leave home for fear of missing it!!
There was one particular nite, we were even told the wagons were headed to Transylvania and that this was it, it was going down.!!
:rolleyes:
Of course, nothing transpired and 30+months, here we are!!
Oh, well!!
I am sure the posts were made with good intentions though.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 05:19 PM

I would like to know where the term "slam dunk" came from regarding this case. From the outset it was described as "complicated". (K4E's post at 11:13 p.m. last evening) MUO

Then you could just ask me.
Many times the term slam dunk and sure thing were posted here suggesting this was all but over, even when I got here, mid Jan of 2007.
Fast forward to mid May 2009. and not only do those terms still not apply, little else that was posted here does either.
L E used the term complicated, seems maybe they were more correct than they wanted to be.......and maybe had no idea just how
complicated and difficult this case would prove to be.

JMO

Kat

Tia

05-12-2009, 05:25 PM

I would like to know where the term "slam dunk" came from regarding this case. From the outset it was described as "complicated". (K4E's post at 11:13 p.m. last evening) MUO

Who knows!!

I has been complicated since day one. No one knows what the hold up is, but I am confident Jason will be arrested.

IMO, what has kept him out of jail this long, is his refusal to speak with LE.

When this goes to court, will the jury know about the civil and custody cases?

oakayfine

05-12-2009, 06:31 PM

It smells more than a little fishy, IMO. Add to those facts that he allowed himself declared a slayer in civil court to avoid talking and allowed his SIL full primary physical custody of his daughter without a fight to avoid talking, well, it all adds up to a guilty man.

JMO

Let's not forget that JLY allowed the SIL full custody but supposedly she is the murderer according to some on this board. Oh, and let's not forget the other rumor ... Jason had his SIL replaced as caretaker for Cassie in their latest will, should he and Michelle die; because he couldn't trust her or something to that effect.

Cardinal

05-12-2009, 08:20 PM

i check this thread once in a while to see if anything's new... one thing that Isn't new are these predictions that jy's arrest is coming... i've seen predictions of 'next week,' 'soon,' 'when the grand jury meets,' etc....

the beauty of your position is, you can never be wrong.
imo.

I don't make predictions - never have. All I care about is that someone be held accountable for Michelle's murder and Rylan's death.

I also don't care about being wrong. It doesn't matter. It isn't about me.

So tell me, who do you think killed Michelle Young?

Tia

05-12-2009, 09:21 PM

Kat4Eagles

05-12-2009, 09:57 PM

No one ever said Jason had his SIL replaced. Jason's will has never been read. It was Michelle's will that had her sister replaced. She replaced her with Jason's sister Heather. Now before you ask for a link I will say Cardinal picked up the will at the court house and that is what she said it says.

Another huge point people are missing, is that L E does not seem worried to still have Jason in CY's life either, in any aspect.

No matter what, Jason is still her father.

C ya next week.!!
Maybe something will happen!!
:seeya:

Kat

5swab5

05-12-2009, 10:22 PM

LF was disgruntled before Michelle was even buried. So it doesn't have any thing to do with all this horrible stuff you have written. One has to wonder why she jumped so fast on Jason being the murderer. Makes me wonder if she has spent the last 30 months covering for someone.

PSST, got a hint for you.....the horrible stuff I wrote is the stone cold truth.

Why did Linda figure it out before the funeral and yet it takes others months and months to do so? :shrug:

Enough with the vicious attacks on the crime victim's mother!
LINK to Linda Fisher being disgruntled. Please and Thank You.

MOO

Leanne Weich

05-13-2009, 01:13 AM

Another huge point people are missing, is that L E does not seem worried to still have Jason in CY's life either, in any aspect.

No matter what, Jason is still her father.

C ya next week.!!
Maybe something will happen!!
:seeya:

Kat

Whilst he will always be her father through biology at least, at this point in time, he is merely her caretaker, imo. I'm so happy she got to spend Mother's Day with her mother's family. I'm sure an appropriate tribute was paid to Michelle. Sad to think of all the moms in heaven who got there by the hand of the one who was supposed to love and protect them.

trucrime

05-13-2009, 01:15 AM

LF was disgruntled before Michelle was even buried. So it doesn't have any thing to do with all this horrible stuff you have written. One has to wonder why she jumped so fast on Jason being the murderer. Makes me wonder if she has spent the last 30 months covering for someone.

Link to Linda being "disgruntled" please? IMO she felt that way because that's who the evidence points to, her son in law Jason Young. But of course, here you go with the line of thought ("covering for someone") towards... hmm Meredith? Am I right? :rolleyes: JMO

5swab5

05-13-2009, 01:39 AM

Whilst he will always be her father through biology at least, at this point in time, he is merely her caretaker, imo. I'm so happy she got to spend Mother's Day with her mother's family. I'm sure an appropriate tribute was paid to Michelle. Sad to think of all the moms in heaven who got there by the hand of the one who was supposed to love and protect them.

You are so right.
Sad seems so inadequate. But it is what it is. The kind of sadness that completely overwhelms you. All the ifs, all the whys, all the hopes and dreams. It is mind boggling.

One selfish act. ONE SELFISH ACT, followed by weeks and months on end of selfish acts...by the :cough: loving :cough: , :cough: grieving :cough: husband and :cough: :cough: :cough: father.

The ONLY thing worse IMO, are those that live on the edge and hope and pray that Jason either avoids prosecution or walks on some minor technicality.

The SLAYER'S days as a free man are numbered. MOO

Leanne Weich

05-13-2009, 01:58 AM

You are so right.
Sad seems so inadequate. But it is what it is. The kind of sadness that completely overwhelms you. All the ifs, all the whys, all the hopes and dreams. It is mind boggling.

One selfish act. ONE SELFISH ACT, followed by weeks and months on end of selfish acts...by the :cough: loving :cough: , :cough: grieving :cough: husband and :cough: :cough: :cough: father.

The ONLY thing worse IMO, are those that live on the edge and hope and pray that Jason either avoids prosecution or walks on some minor technicality.

The SLAYER'S days as a free man are numbered. MOO

ITA. As my late grandpa would say when he felt something was about to happen .. "I feel it in my water" .... and, no, that's not a prediction, just a feeling.

5swab5

05-13-2009, 02:08 AM

ITA. As my late grandpa would say when he felt something was about to happen .. "I feel it in my water" .... and, no, that's not a prediction, just a feeling.

:smile:

I like that. Grandpas know best. :wink:

beattherap

05-13-2009, 03:50 PM

I don't make predictions - never have. All I care about is that someone be held accountable for Michelle's murder and Rylan's death.

I also don't care about being wrong. It doesn't matter. It isn't about me.

So tell me, who do you think killed Michelle Young?
i haven't followed the case closely enough to have a worthwhile opinion on who killed her...

from checking this forum, what struck me were the many predictions or 'feelings,' that jy would be arrested by now... the optimism hasn't seemed to fade despite the passage of time...

i know spouses are arrested for murder years after killing, but in cases where the body is found right away, the cause and manner of death are known, the prime person of interest is investigated [and shuts up], time has passed for forensics... i'm not seeing reasons for optimism that anyone will be arrested.
imo.

Cardinal

05-13-2009, 08:51 PM

i haven't followed the case closely enough to have a worthwhile opinion on who killed her...

from checking this forum, what struck me were the many predictions or 'feelings,' that jy would be arrested by now... the optimism hasn't seemed to fade despite the passage of time...

i know spouses are arrested for murder years after killing, but in cases where the body is found right away, the cause and manner of death are known, the prime person of interest is investigated [and shuts up], time has passed for forensics... i'm not seeing reasons for optimism that anyone will be arrested.
imo.

That makes sense. And if I didn't know that the Wake County DA is overly cautious about going to trial, I might feel the same way. The same DA waited 4 years before obtaining an indictment in another high profile spousal murder. And got a conviction.

I do think there will be an arrest in this case. I just don't know when.

Leanne Weich

05-13-2009, 10:06 PM

I wonder if Jason is still feeling so sure of himself. Just goes to show, you can go on living (even in another State) for years and just because it's not in the news every day, LE keep their eye on you.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5138321/

Let's hope that in some small way the current Mrs Abaroa helps find justice for the late Mrs Abaroa.

Stellagant

05-13-2009, 11:47 PM

That makes sense. And if I didn't know that the Wake County DA is overly cautious about going to trial, I might feel the same way. The same DA waited 4 years before obtaining an indictment in another high profile spousal murder. And got a conviction.

I do think there will be an arrest in this case. I just don't know when.

If your reference is to the Miller case, the DA didn't have a crime scene to analyze and also didn't get a conviction. He made a plea deal for second degree murder because he wasn't sure he would win a conviction.

Stellagant

05-13-2009, 11:48 PM

i haven't followed the case closely enough to have a worthwhile opinion on who killed her...

from checking this forum, what struck me were the many predictions or 'feelings,' that jy would be arrested by now... the optimism hasn't seemed to fade despite the passage of time...

i know spouses are arrested for murder years after killing, but in cases where the body is found right away, the cause and manner of death are known, the prime person of interest is investigated [and shuts up], time has passed for forensics... i'm not seeing reasons for optimism that anyone will be arrested.
imo.

ITA. In this case, the blunders made in the gathering of forensics may have doomed the ability to solve it.

CarolinaStar

05-14-2009, 02:04 AM

reborn

05-14-2009, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by reborn
LF was disgruntled before Michelle was even buried. So it doesn't have any thing to do with all this horrible stuff you have written. One has to wonder why she jumped so fast on Jason being the murderer. Makes me wonder if she has spent the last 30 months covering for someone. <END QUOTE>

I think it's called MOTHER'S INSTINCT. Ever heard of it?:glare:

Yes I've heard of it. I have wondered if her Mother's Instinct kicked in and that is why it became so important for LE to suspect Jason. I especially thought that after the revelation over Michelle's keys being where Meredith said she put hers.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4083955/1228504020-20081205131306653.pdf

dkny

05-14-2009, 09:11 AM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

BSNBREVARDNC

05-14-2009, 02:47 PM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

Exactly. Why indeed?

IMO, you are right dkny. Jason knows that there is no reason not to trust MF because he knows MF did not kill Michelle. IMO he is certain that MF did not kill Michelle because he is the real killer.

IMO as always. :thumbup:

dgfred

05-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

Good point, I agree!

trucrime

05-14-2009, 08:35 PM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

Yeah makes no sense that Cassidy who is supposedly the center of Jason's world - would go to Meredith if Jason felt she were culpable for the murders. JMO.

Stellagant

05-14-2009, 08:36 PM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

Where do you get the idea that Jason believes Meredith killed Michelle?

Stellagant

05-14-2009, 08:50 PM

Exactly. Why indeed?

IMO, you are right dkny. Jason knows that there is no reason not to trust MF because he knows MF did not kill Michelle. IMO he is certain that MF did not kill Michelle because he is the real killer.

IMO as always. :thumbup:

IMO, Meredith is certain that JY did not kill Michelle because she is the real killer. She certainly waited for two years to file for custody of a child of a man she's accused of brutal murder of his wife and other child. Her actions certainly don't indicate she was at all worried for CY's safety.

Jules2

05-14-2009, 09:10 PM

IMO, Meredith is certain that JY did not kill Michelle because she is the real killer. She certainly waited for two years to file for custody of a child of a man she's accused of brutal murder of his wife and other child. Her actions certainly don't indicate she was at all worried for CY's safety.

Whatever.....that isn't what was being discussed.

It's Jason's concerns about his SIL, not Meredith's concerns.

And he obviously has no concerns if he allowed the primary custody of his daughter to be handed over to her.

IMO

dkny

05-14-2009, 09:27 PM

CarolinaStar

05-14-2009, 09:35 PM

IMO, Meredith is certain that JY did not kill Michelle because she is the real killer. She certainly waited for two years to file for custody of a child of a man she's accused of brutal murder of his wife and other child. Her actions certainly don't indicate she was at all worried for CY's safety.

"Methinks Thou dost protest too much!" Don't you have a more sane theory? Throw the MF theory against a wall....won't stick! But the mud will burn your hands. IMO

Stellagant

05-14-2009, 09:45 PM

Whatever.....that isn't what was being discussed.

It's Jason's concerns about his SIL, not Meredith's concerns.

And he obviously has no concerns if he allowed the primary custody of his daughter to be handed over to her.

IMO

I prefer to discuss known facts rather than baseless speculation. Jason has remained silent and has not publicly expressed concerns about his SIL or anyone else.

FACT: Meredith has publicly accused Jason of murder yet she didn't step in for custody for over two years and she dropped her demand for a psych evaluation before Jason had to respond. Meredith's public actions speak a lot louder than Jason's silence, imo.

trucrime

05-14-2009, 09:48 PM

IMO, Meredith is certain that JY did not kill Michelle because she is the real killer. She certainly waited for two years to file for custody of a child of a man she's accused of brutal murder of his wife and other child. Her actions certainly don't indicate she was at all worried for CY's safety.

Hope that was your opinion, if you are citing fact please post a link.

You also forgot, Linda Fisher was also a party to the custody agreement. It wasnt only Meredith. They likely had advice from their attorney to wait. IMO - Meredith's actions sure DO prove she cares for Cassidy's safety - to give your own life up to raise Cassidy is admirable. JMO

trucrime

05-14-2009, 09:48 PM

"Methinks Thou dost protest too much!" Don't you have a more sane theory? Throw the MF theory against a wall....won't stick! But the mud will burn your hands. IMO

There's a few people here who throw Meredith under the bus anytime they can. JMO.

Jules2

05-14-2009, 09:54 PM

I prefer to discuss known facts rather than baseless speculation. Jason has remained silent and has not publicly expressed concerns about his SIL or anyone else.

FACT: Meredith has publicly accused Jason of murder yet she didn't step in for custody for over two years and she dropped her demand for a psych evaluation before Jason had to respond. Meredith's public actions speak a lot louder than Jason's silence, imo.

Discuss all you want.

A judge awarding Meredith primary custody of Jason Young's daughter is NOT baseless speculation.

IMO

Stellagant

05-14-2009, 10:01 PM

Discuss all you want.

A judge awarding Meredith primary custody of Jason Young's daughter is NOT baseless speculation.

IMO

A judge did not award Meredith primary custody. All the judge did was approve a settlement agreement.

:rolleyes:

Jules2

05-14-2009, 10:02 PM

A judge did not award Meredith primary custody. All the judge did was approve a settlement agreement.

:rolleyes:

Who has primary custody again?

reborn

05-14-2009, 10:14 PM

Discuss all you want.

A judge awarding Meredith primary custody of Jason Young's daughter is NOT baseless speculation.

IMOIf I am reading this correcly no judge awarded meredith custody. This says it was an agreement between jason and meredith. The judge just agreed with it.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6645812

CarolinaStar

05-14-2009, 10:24 PM

Cardinal

05-15-2009, 04:13 AM

If I am reading this correcly no judge awarded meredith custody. This says it was an agreement between jason and meredith. The judge just agreed with it.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6645812

You're absolutely right. Jason agreed to hand over his daughter to Meredith. So either Jason has no reason to believe Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder, or he cares so little about his daughter that it doesn't bother him she will be raised by a woman capable of killing her own sister. Which do you think it is?

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 05:21 PM

The other murder case in NC :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5152828/

Both families agreed to a consent order,

If Brad is found NG, he can revisit the order.

No trial date set,
State will not go after the DP.

Kat

This is the order signed by Judge Sasser, when you read
the article, and click on the highlighted words
"consent order".

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 05:31 PM

Why would JY share custody and give primary physical custody to MF if he really thought she killed MY. JY imo knows. JMO

Why would LE agree to let Jason still be involved with CY if they thought he was a killer?

Kat

Jules2

05-15-2009, 05:39 PM

You're absolutely right. Jason agreed to hand over his daughter to Meredith. So either Jason has no reason to believe Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder, or he cares so little about his daughter that it doesn't bother him she will be raised by a woman capable of killing her own sister. Which do you think it is?

I for one, think he knows Meredith had nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

After all, he didn't even put up a fight to keep his daughter with him full time. That speaks volumes......and for a man who ain't speaking, he sure was heard loud and clear that time.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 05:45 PM

SIMPLY semantics...such a moot point. IMO

Not really.
There is a big difference of having an actual custody battle, then one where both parties agree to terms before it reached a courtroom.
It could have been very dirty with the accusations we saw.
I am hoping everyone put CY's best interests first, and that is why they decided not to play it out.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 05:53 PM

Cardinal

05-15-2009, 07:34 PM

I for one, think he knows Meredith had nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

After all, he didn't even put up a fight to keep his daughter with him full time. That speaks volumes......and for a man who ain't speaking, he sure was heard loud and clear that time.

IMO

I have to admit, I'm still in disbelief that Jason handed over Cassidy to Meredith without a fight. That, more than anything else, causes me to question his character .... and his conscience.

Cardinal

05-15-2009, 07:37 PM

Reason to be announced at a later date?
:)
Kat

Kat, either Jason believe Meredith was involved in the murder, or he doesn't. If he does, then no reason could justify, IMO, handing over his daughter to her.

If he doesn't, that's very telling, IMO. Surely he's privy to the same SWs, the same 911 call, the same myspace page that have been used here to cast suspicion upon Meredith. Do you think he's less intelligent than the posters here?

trucrime

05-15-2009, 07:55 PM

Kat, either Jason believe Meredith was involved in the murder, or he doesn't. If he does, then no reason could justify, IMO, handing over his daughter to her.

If he doesn't, that's very telling, IMO. Surely he's privy to the same SWs, the same 911 call, the same myspace page that have been used here to cast suspicion upon Meredith. Do you think he's less intelligent than the posters here?

I agree 100% with your post. IMO nothing can justify Jason handing Cassidy over to Meredith if Jason felt Meredith really killed Michelle/Rylan. I would never hand my children over to someone I suspected to be a murderer. Now some will then counter with why did Meredith/Linda settle then if they feel Jason is a murderer (because its clear they do think that). Im certain Jason will eventually be arrested for the criminal portion of the case, my guess is Linda/Meredith feel the same way too. They got Cassidy 50% legal and what 80-90% physical custody? In their eyes, they may have wanted to settle for now knowing soon Jason will be arrested - they can go after full custody then. Plus, Jason wont be able to hand off Cassidy to Pat or Kim now since Meredith is so firmly and legally in place as her guardian. In a way, its protecting Cassidy in general for her future.

I feel Jason is a sociopath with some intellegence, after all how many side sweeties was he managing while juggling his wife/daughter? Different email accounts. Im more than confident JY could access and has accessed online news sites like WRAL and just maybe message boards like our very own IS here.

JMO.

trucrime

05-15-2009, 07:56 PM

I have to admit, I'm still in disbelief that Jason handed over Cassidy to Meredith without a fight. That, more than anything else, causes me to question his character .... and his conscience.

Its my guess that perhaps its also bothering friends and family. Since the custody agreement we've seen less and less of "Kingbuff" for one, who used to be an adamant Jason supporter. JMO.

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 07:59 PM

Kat, either Jason believe Meredith was involved in the murder, or he doesn't. If he does, then no reason could justify, IMO, handing over his daughter to her.

If he doesn't, that's very telling, IMO. Surely he's privy to the same SWs, the same 911 call, the same myspace page that have been used here to cast suspicion upon Meredith. Do you think he's less intelligent than the posters here?

Who knows what Jason thinks or the real reason behind the agreement?
Not any of us, that's for sure.!!
Is it possible that the thought of his relationship with MM coming out in more detail, could have scared him to the point he thought he could lose CY altogether?
Or,maybe he was afraid some of his other past actions would come out that wouldn't make him look so good and that he would lose everything?
He hasn't always made the smartest decisons, re: Craigslist.
And, yet to some people, he has managed to commit the almost perfect murder and remain free.
I really don't know, and since all seems quiet , we may never know.
I do feel more than ever that this case is dying down and it may be years and years before we get the answers.
:(
Kat

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:00 PM

You're absolutely right. Jason agreed to hand over his daughter to Meredith. So either Jason has no reason to believe Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder, or he cares so little about his daughter that it doesn't bother him she will be raised by a woman capable of killing her own sister. Which do you think it is?

Meredith has accused Jason of murder but he hasn't accused Meredith of anything at all.

While it may be your opinion Meredith is capable of killing her sister, there has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Jason shares your opinion. It is nothing more than your speculation that his agreement with Meredith is because he cares so little about his daughter. The search warrants certainly don't portray Jason's opinion of Meredith as one of dislike or suspicion.

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:02 PM

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>snipped>

Im more than confident JY could access and has accessed online news sites like WRAL and just maybe message boards like our very own IS here.

JMO.

And, the purpose of that would be?

Kat

trucrime

05-15-2009, 08:06 PM

This was a much more difficult case to prove, the incident took place off shore in another country and not in the victim's bedroom in her own home, like this one.
But, I am glad they got him.

Kat

Please dont imply that there werent plenty of witnesses. There were, including all the people that were on the boat (some of whom were trained diving pros and saw clues there was foul play) with the Watson's that day diving and L.E./rescue crews who arrived to help. Its not like Australlia is some 3rd world country with a shoddy law enforcement team. JMO.

trucrime

05-15-2009, 08:09 PM

And, the purpose of that would be?

Kat

To read about what is going on with his case.

Pam Vitale was reasearching David Horowitz's current case (Susan Polk) when she was killed. While not everyone does it, clearly some people who are personally involved with cases do look up info about the case online on message boards or in the news. There's a few cases here on IS where family members have come on the board, Phil Spector's son for one. JMO.

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:10 PM

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:19 PM

Meredith has accused Jason of murder but he hasn't accused Meredith of anything at all.

While it may be your opinion Meredith is capable of killing her sister, there has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Jason shares your opinion. It is nothing more than your speculation that his agreement with Meredith is because he cares so little about his daughter. The search warrants certainly don't portray Jason's opinion of Meredith as one of dislike or suspicion.

Hi :seeya:
Once again, the early decision in the Cooper case to remove the grandchildren immediately, as compared to this one, that had to wait for a WDS ruling before anyone acted, I will never understand.
2 years would be a long time to let someone live with a murderer.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:24 PM

Other than a dead spouse, I sure don't see any similarities between that case and this one.:shrug:

Neither do I, but it's always good to see the bad guy caught.

Kat

CarolinaStar

05-15-2009, 08:26 PM

And, the purpose of that would be?

Kat
To keep a count on how many people he thinks he is still deceiving or maybe he is like BTK-just wants to see if he's getting enough press
:scared: IMO

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:28 PM

To read about what is going on with his case.

Pam Vitale was reasearching David Horowitz's current case (Susan Polk) when she was killed. While not everyone does it, clearly some people who are personally involved with cases do look up info about the case online on message boards or in the news. There's a few cases here on IS where family members have come on the board, Phil Spector's son for one. JMO.

Do you also remember when some people blamed her husband from the start?
I agree that almost anything is accessible online, but I got the feeling from Jason's email to Kim, he isn't interested in public opinion...
I see him more the type that he could care less what people think..
JMO
Kat

CarolinaStar

05-15-2009, 08:33 PM

Do you also remember when some people blamed her husband from the start?
I agree that almost anything is accessible online, but I got the feeling from Jason's email to Kim, he isn't interested in public opinion...
I see him more the type that he could care less what people think..
JMO
Kat Don't you think he will care what, sayyyy, 12 people will think? MO:confused:

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:34 PM

To keep a count on how many people he thinks he is still deceiving or maybe he is like BTK-just wants to see if he's getting enough press
:scared: IMO

I don't know about that.
I got the impression from his email that he wasn't looking to be famous.
Kat

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:34 PM

Hi :seeya:
Once again, the early decision in the Cooper case to remove the grandchildren immediately, as compared to this one, that had to wait for a WDS ruling before anyone acted, I will never understand.
2 years would be a long time to let someone live with a murderer.

Kat

Yes, Nancy's family acted immediately in the best interest of the children and they weren't willing to compromise because they feared skeletons in their own closet would tumble into public view. The Fishers not only compromised, they didn't seem to think a psych exam of the man they proclaim is a double killer was a necessity. Pretty unbelievable to those of us who care about the innocent children in these cases.

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:36 PM

I don't know about that.
I got the impression from his email that he wasn't looking to be famous.
Kat

I got the impression he couldn't care any less about what is said on the internet.

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:36 PM

Don't you think he will care what, sayyyy, 12 people will think? MO:confused:

Well, he could have 23 people working on him now, if there is ever an indictment brought against him.

I really don't know what anyone thinks...........or why they would commit murder to begin with............
<~~~even more :confused:
Kat

CarolinaStar

05-15-2009, 08:37 PM

Yes, Nancy's family acted immediately in the best interest of the children and they weren't willing to compromise because they feared skeletons in their own closet would tumble into public view. The Fishers not only compromised, they didn't seem to think a psych exam of the man they proclaim is a double killer was a necessity. Pretty unbelievable to those of us who care about the innocent children in these cases.

I don't think they needed a psych exam to figure him out. IMO

Cardinal

05-15-2009, 08:39 PM

Meredith has accused Jason of murder but he hasn't accused Meredith of anything at all.

While it may be your opinion Meredith is capable of killing her sister, there has been absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Jason shares your opinion. It is nothing more than your speculation that his agreement with Meredith is because he cares so little about his daughter. The search warrants certainly don't portray Jason's opinion of Meredith as one of dislike or suspicion.

It isn't, and never has been, my opinion that Meredith is capable of killing Michelle. Please don't twist my posts again.

No, the SWS (and the custody agreement) don't portray Jason's opinion of Meredith as one of dislike or suspicion. So I'll ask again: do you think Jason is less intelligent, or discerning, than the posters on this board who cast suspicion upon Meredith?

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:40 PM

I don't think they needed a psych exam to figure him out. IMO

they needed a psych exam to obtain full custody.

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:40 PM

I got the impression he couldn't care any less about what is said on the internet.

Me either, it's not like we know him or even know that much about him.
For all we know, in the email exchanged with Michelle that was made public, there was another one, saying "I am sorry for talking to you that way."
We have only seen the bad things released, because you can't get a search warrant based on the good things people say and do.
:biggrin:

Kat

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:43 PM

It isn't, and never has been, my opinion that Meredith is capable of killing Michelle. Please don't twist my posts again.

Here's your post. I twisted nothing. You're the one who cites only two possibilities.

Originally Posted by Cardinal
You're absolutely right. Jason agreed to hand over his daughter to Meredith. So either Jason has no reason to believe Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder, or he cares so little about his daughter that it doesn't bother him she will be raised by a woman capable of killing her own sister. Which do you think it is?

Cardinal

05-15-2009, 08:45 PM

Here's your post. I twisted nothing. You're the one who cites only two possibilities.

Originally Posted by Cardinal
You're absolutely right. Jason agreed to hand over his daughter to Meredith. So either Jason has no reason to believe Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder, or he cares so little about his daughter that it doesn't bother him she will be raised by a woman capable of killing her own sister. Which do you think it is?

You're right - that is my post. And nowhere in it do I state my opinion. I posed a question to reborn, based upon 2 alternatives. Perhaps you weren't able to comprehend that.

I'm going to take CW's advice, and do something I've not done before. I'm going to put you on ignore.

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 08:47 PM

You're right - that is my post. And nowhere in it do I state my opinion. I posed a question to reborn, based upon 2 alternatives. Perhaps you weren't able to comprehend that.

I comprehend just fine that you state those two alternatives as fact, not your opinion. :rolleyes:

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 08:47 PM

they needed a psych exam to obtain full custody.

Well, someday we will know all the answers, maybe,
Meanwhile, these murders are still being committed everyday, this new one, Coleman, I think, is a heartbreaker......
I really don't the answers to why someone who kill anyone, let alone their wife or husband, or child like the Casey Anthony case...
Too much to ever understand.
JMO
Kat

CarolinaStar

05-15-2009, 08:49 PM

they needed a psych exam to obtain full custody. IMO, the Fisher's have shown character and sensitivity in acting in CY's best interests. They still had some hope in their hearts that the man who perhaps killed her mother had not turned his soul entirely over to the Devil and that a gradual transition to their care would not be as hard on CY. MOO

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 09:05 PM

Well, someday we will know all the answers, maybe,
Meanwhile, these murders are still being committed everyday, this new one, Coleman, I think, is a heartbreaker......
I really don't know the answers to why someone who kill anyone, let alone their wife or husband, or child like the Casey Anthony case...
Too much to ever understand.
JMO
Kat

Correction:

Kat4Eagles

05-15-2009, 09:06 PM

IMO, the Fisher's have shown character and sensitivity in acting in CY's best interests. They still had some hope in their hearts that the man who perhaps killed her mother had not turned his soul entirely over to the Devil and that a gradual transition to their care would not be as hard on CY. MOO

I guess that remains to be seen.

Kat

Stellagant

05-15-2009, 09:14 PM

janesdeaan

05-16-2009, 12:09 AM

they needed a psych exam to obtain full custody.

"They" (Linda and Meredith Fisher) were the ones requesting Jason be evaluated by a psychiatrist, so not sure what your post means. :confused: Jason obviously didn't want to testify in his own behalf OR be evaluated, so he agreed to agree with the Fishers concerning Cassidys' custody arrangement.

reborn

05-16-2009, 12:15 AM

"They" (Linda and Meredith Fisher) were the ones requesting Jason be evaluated by a psychiatrist, so not sure what your post means. :confused: Jason obviously didn't want to testify in his own behalf OR be evaluated, so he agreed to agree with the Fishers concerning Cassidys' custody arrangement.

He didn't agree with the Fishers custody arrangements. Linda Fisher doesn't have any custody over her. His agreement was made with Meredith and Linda was left out. Linda had sued for custody but wasn't included in the agreement.

janesdeaan

05-16-2009, 12:19 AM

I got the impression he couldn't care any less about what is said on the internet.

Well for someone who supposedly doesnt care what is said on the internet, he sure knew alot about what was being said, according to his e-mail exchange with his sister. He also knew about another murder case similar to his, and we KNOW he's savvy on the web because of the searches he performed that had to do with murder/head trauma/strangulation etc etc... What he said in those e-mails amounted to hoping that everyone would forget about this murder and it would all die down and go away, not a very concerned husband considering his own wife and baby were murdered and no one had been arrested for it.

janesdeaan

05-16-2009, 12:21 AM

And, the purpose of that would be?

Kat

To see what public opinion concerning his guilt or innocence in the murder of his wife and baby was/is. I am sure he is very concerned with that, wouldn't you think so ?

Stellagant

05-16-2009, 12:24 AM

janesdeaan

05-16-2009, 12:29 AM

He didn't agree with the Fishers custody arrangements. Linda Fisher doesn't have any custody over her. His agreement was made with Meredith and Linda was left out. Linda had sued for custody but wasn't included in the agreement.

Both of the Fishers sued for custody, the agreement later became one between Meredith and Jason. This was agreed upon by all three, Meredith, LINDA and Jason, Linda was not "left out", the arrangement was worked out by all of them.

trucrime

05-16-2009, 02:39 PM

Both of the Fishers sued for custody, the agreement later became one between Meredith and Jason. This was agreed upon by all three, Meredith, LINDA and Jason, Linda was not "left out", the arrangement was worked out by all of them.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/06/4487955/Feb._6,_2009,_child_custody_consent_order.pdf

Correct - all three individuals signed the agreement that was made. Linda/Meredith as the plantiffs, Jason as the defendant. JMO

Stellagant

05-16-2009, 05:22 PM

Both of the Fishers sued for custody, the agreement later became one between Meredith and Jason. This was agreed upon by all three, Meredith, LINDA and Jason, Linda was not "left out", the arrangement was worked out by all of them.

That's right, Linda Fisher agreed to be left out, agreed that the man she's publicly accused of brutally murdering his wife and son isn't a danger to his daughter even though she has no psych exam on which to base her conclusion. Why would any grandmother who has publicly professed to be concerned about her grandchild's financial well-being agree to such an arrangement for her physical well-being? Linda Fisher's skewed priorities are utterly astounding.

Leanne Weich

05-16-2009, 08:24 PM

Stellagant

05-17-2009, 04:53 AM

I've no doubt that the lawyers, between them, worked out the agreement which would be most likely to be acceptable to Jason and leaving Linda out (it is clear Jason was not particularly fond of her) was more likely to ensure Cassidy would ultimately be removed from his custody. I'm sure Linda, in her quest for seeing Cassidy in her family's custody and having her best interests at heart, gladly too a step back. As far as holding out for the psych. exam, Jason could well be a sociopath and could have pulled the wool over the shrink's eyes and a judge may have been loathe to give custody to the Fishers until and if he was arrested for Michelle's murder. This way Linda was guaranteed ongoing access to her granddaughter. Far from Linda's priorities being skewed, I believe her only concern was ensuring Jason does not raise Cassidy. JMHO.

There was no indication Cassidy would be removed from Jason's custody even before the case ever was heard, so your point is absurd. Why Linda Fisher took a "step back" as you call it, may never be known but she did so. I just find it pretty incredible that a grandmother who proclaims Jason Young is incapable of providing for his child financially decides he is suddenly capable of providing for her physically. Linda Fisher demanded 100% of Cassidy's money from her mother. She then backed off from the psych exam and custody even before Jason was required to answer.

Whether you like it or not, Linda Fisher agreed Jason is physically and legally capable of raising Cassidy 50% of the time. It is my opinion that Linda Fisher is more interested in Cassidy's money than the welfare of the child.

Leanne Weich

05-17-2009, 04:58 AM

There was no indication Cassidy would be removed from Jason's custody even before the case ever was heard, so your point is absurd. Why Linda Fisher took a "step back" as you call it, may never be known but she did so. I just find it pretty incredible that a grandmother who proclaims Jason Young is incapable of providing for his child financially decides he is suddenly capable of providing for her physically. Linda Fisher demanded 100% of Cassidy's money from her mother. She then backed off from the psych exam and custody even before Jason was required to answer.

Whether you like it or not, Linda Fisher agreed Jason is physically and legally capable of raising Cassidy 50% of the time. It is my opinion that Linda Fisher is more interested in Cassidy's money than the welfare of the child.

Quite clearly I was talking about the settlement negotiation stage where, in all likelihood, Linda was a sticking point for Jason. Speculation I know but more logical, imo, than your's that Linda is more interested in Cassidy's money than her welfare. BTW, Linda didn't agree that Jason is capable of raising Cassidy 50% of the time - she and Meredith agreed to a very limited transition period.

Jules2

05-17-2009, 03:34 PM

Quite clearly I was talking about the settlement negotiation stage where, in all likelihood, Linda was a sticking point for Jason. Speculation I know but more logical, imo, than your's that Linda is more interested in Cassidy's money than her welfare. BTW, Linda didn't agree that Jason is capable of raising Cassidy 50% of the time - she and Meredith agreed to a very limited transition period.

I, for one, did not think your point was "absurd". It makes way more sense, and I agree that Linda and Meredith are only concerned for Cassidy's welfare.

It won't be long now, until she is primarily with Meredith and able to see her grandmother on a regular basis...and I couldn't be happier for the three of them.

I just know in my heart that this is what Michelle would want.

IMO

CarolinaStar

05-17-2009, 03:41 PM

Jason possibly needed the limited contact with Cassidy in order to keep prepping her in light of her "Daddy did it" statement to say "Daddy did NOT do it". Wonder if he can convince her?

CarolinaStar

05-17-2009, 04:02 PM

When Jason was "informed" of Micelle's murder, he spoke with LE,IIRC, in the car on the trip back to Raleigh at which time it is reported he hung up on them. Has LE or any source stated that he denied committing the crime? In that short conversation, did LE ask him if he knew anything about a reason someone would want to hurt MY or if he knew anything about what occurred? Why did he hang up on LE? Had he been advised already by a lawyer not to speak and he told LE "on the advice of my attorney I cannot comment"? I cannot find a link for the above scenario but I do remember hearing this on this board, so excuse me if my recall is not exact. JMOO

reborn

05-17-2009, 04:08 PM

CarolinaStar

05-17-2009, 04:09 PM

Oops! MICHELLE- 1st line my comment-typo

reborn

05-17-2009, 04:11 PM

Jason possibly needed the limited contact with Cassidy in order to keep prepping her in light of her "Daddy did it" statement to say "Daddy did NOT do it". Wonder if he can convince her?

In my opinion if LE had Cassidy saying Daddy did it he would have been arrested and questioned a long time ago. The Daddy did it is just something someone started on line.

reborn

05-17-2009, 04:13 PM

Oops! MICHELLE- 1st line my comment-typo

No problem every one knew who you meant.

Leanne Weich

05-17-2009, 05:12 PM

I, for one, did not think your point was "absurd". It makes way more sense, and I agree that Linda and Meredith are only concerned for Cassidy's welfare.

It won't be long now, until she is primarily with Meredith and able to see her grandmother on a regular basis...and I couldn't be happier for the three of them.

I just know in my heart that this is what Michelle would want.

IMO

Thanks Jules. It seems Linda can do nothing right. She was wrong for not applying for custody of Cassidy and then, when she did, she's still wrong. How anyone can deduce from the WDS that Linda wants Cassie's money is beyond comprehension, imo. It is quite clear she wanted the money to be kept from Jason for Cassidy.

ITA that this is what Michelle would have wanted and, imo, if the paternal grandparents had Cassidy's best interests at heart (and could take their blinders off), I'm sure they'd see this is the best outcome for this precious child. JMHOOC.

jerry50

05-18-2009, 12:31 AM

In my opinion if LE had Cassidy saying Daddy did it he would have been arrested and questioned a long time ago. The Daddy did it is just something someone started on line.

I do believe that LE has Cassidy on the 911 call saying "Daddy did it". However that is no where near enough to arrest him. Cassidy is unable to testify or be cross examined. It will simply be a heartbreaking piece of a large puzzle.

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 02:35 AM

That's right, Linda Fisher agreed to be left out, agreed that the man she's publicly accused of brutally murdering his wife and son isn't a danger to his daughter even though she has no psych exam on which to base her conclusion. Why would any grandmother who has publicly professed to be concerned about her grandchild's financial well-being agree to such an arrangement for her physical well-being? Linda Fisher's skewed priorities are utterly astounding.

WHY ?? Because she was fortunate enough in her quest for her grandchild's well being, to be assured her surviving daughter Meredith was to be the one raising Cassidy for Michelle. Linda Fisher doesn't have the "psych exam" she reqested in her petition against Jason Young raising Cassidy Young, because Jason Young would not be evaluated, he wouldn't be deposed, he wouldn't be cross examined and he wouldn't even be putting up any fight to keep his only daughter away from her maternal grandmother because he was advised by his "attorney" (not sure he has counsel anymore) to "keep silent". Strange an attorney would advise him against testifying in his own behalf to clear his name in the murder of his wife and baby, or advise him not to fight for his good name, and custody of only surviving child and his attorney even advised him against clearing his name at all even though he was being sued for wrongful death to the tune of $37 million. And, the outcome of him invoking his right to remain silent was very rewarding I am sure. He lost custody of his only surviving child, he has been legally declared the SLAYER of HIS WIFE and BABY, and he is indebted to the estate of Michelle Young $15+ MILLION DOLLARS (Cassidy Youngs estate now) Everything I have ever read about this type of behavior in a murder case of someone's spouse, mate or bf/gf has been because the attorney didn't want the defendent to incriminate themself in a court of law. Which, simply put means they are GUILTY AS SIN...Linda Fisher's priorities are RIGHT ON and always have been, SHE puts the rights of her daughter and granddaughter first and foremost, exactly where they should be and where Michelle Young's so called husband has NEVER put them. JMO

Stellagant

05-18-2009, 04:03 PM

WHY ?? Because she was fortunate enough in her quest for her grandchild's well being, to be assured her surviving daughter Meredith was to be the one raising Cassidy for Michelle. Linda Fisher doesn't have the "psych exam" she reqested in her petition against Jason Young raising Cassidy Young, because Jason Young would not be evaluated, he wouldn't be deposed, he wouldn't be cross examined and he wouldn't even be putting up any fight to keep his only daughter away from her maternal grandmother because he was advised by his "attorney" (not sure he has counsel anymore) to "keep silent". Strange an attorney would advise him against testifying in his own behalf to clear his name in the murder of his wife and baby, or advise him not to fight for his good name, and custody of only surviving child and his attorney even advised him against clearing his name at all even though he was being sued for wrongful death to the tune of $37 million. And, the outcome of him invoking his right to remain silent was very rewarding I am sure. He lost custody of his only surviving child, he has been legally declared the SLAYER of HIS WIFE and BABY, and he is indebted to the estate of Michelle Young $15+ MILLION DOLLARS (Cassidy Youngs estate now) Everything I have ever read about this type of behavior in a murder case of someone's spouse, mate or bf/gf has been because the attorney didn't want the defendent to incriminate themself in a court of law. Which, simply put means they are GUILTY AS SIN...Linda Fisher's priorities are RIGHT ON and always have been, SHE puts the rights of her daughter and granddaughter first and foremost, exactly where they should be and where Michelle Young's so called husband has NEVER put them. JMO

You seem confused about the application of the law. Nobody forced Linda or Meredith Fisher to settle before the Judge ever heard the case and decided about the psych exam. Jason's attorney had absolutely no control over the Fishers' or the Judge's actions. I find it very telling that Fisher was more concerned with keeping Jason away from money in the WDS than she was with her granddaughter's physical safety in the child custody lawsuit.

There is no guarantee Meredith will raise Cassidy. If they wanted a guarantee, they should have waited for a Judge to decide. At most, Jason agreed to share custody. It is sharp contrast to the Cooper case, where the grandparents/aunt refused to settle until AFTER the psych exam and they certainly did not wait two years before ever filing for custody.

BSNBREVARDNC

05-18-2009, 04:19 PM

You seem confused about the application of the law. Nobody forced Linda or Meredith Fisher to settle before the Judge ever heard the case and decided about the psych exam. Jason's attorney had absolutely no control over the Fishers' or the Judge's actions. I find it very telling that Fisher was more concerned with keeping Jason away from money in the WDS than she was with her granddaughter's physical safety in the child custody lawsuit.

There is no guarantee Meredith will raise Cassidy. If they wanted a guarantee, they should have waited for a Judge to decide. At most, Jason agreed to share custody. It is sharp contrast to the Cooper case, where the grandparents/aunt refused to settle until AFTER the psych exam and they certainly did not wait two years before ever filing for custody.

And.....IMO, if Jason had any concerns about Meredith being a fit guardian, why would he "give" her primary custody? He, her own father, seems to believe that Meredith will be able to provide a better environment, more care, more stablility, etc. than he can provide. Otherwise why would he have "given" away the primary custody of his daughter?

As I see it, there are only two possible answers. Jason wanted to avoid incriminating himself, so he selfishly put himself before his child, OR, he thinks Meredith will make the better parent.

IMO it comes down to those two options.

Hope this helps..................:wink:

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 04:31 PM

You seem confused about the application of the law. Nobody forced Linda or Meredith Fisher to settle before the Judge ever heard the case and decided about the psych exam. Jason's attorney had absolutely no control over the Fishers' or the Judge's actions. I find it very telling that Fisher was more concerned with keeping Jason away from money in the WDS than she was with her granddaughter's physical safety in the child custody lawsuit.

There is no guarantee Meredith will raise Cassidy. If they wanted a guarantee, they should have waited for a Judge to decide. At most, Jason agreed to share custody. It is sharp contrast to the Cooper case, where the grandparents/aunt refused to settle until AFTER the psych exam and they certainly did not wait two years before ever filing for custody.

I may seem "confused" in your mind, but I assure you I am NOT. And I NEVER said anyone forced Linda and Meredith to settle at anytime for any reason. Those are YOUR words, not mine. And how do you know WHAT Linda Fisher was MORE concerned about ? From her petition it clearly shows she was concerned about all aspects of Michelle Youngs' daugters well being, and that includes where she livesl, who raises her and that Cassidy alone inherits Michelle's estate. Fortunately, for Cassidy Linda's wishes were met, she will be raised by Meredith (and Linda) and she will inherit Michelle's estate, period. I fail to see what Brad Cooper or his murder case has to do with Michelle Young. Perhaps, if you feel the need to discuss the Coopers, you can do it on that board.

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 05:26 PM

<snipped>. I fail to see what Brad Cooper or his murder case has to do with Michelle Young. Perhaps, if you feel the need to discuss the Coopers, you can do it on that board.

It has the same to do with this case, or any other cases that we may draw comparisions too..

Someone posted the other day a case that showed a 5 year timelime, nothing to do with this particular case, either.........:shrug:

L E does not wait for "convenient times" to arrest a suspect, because he/she has a child, :lol:.

Look at Drew Peterson, he just got busted, and. yeah, they did it when he was alone at a traffic stop so his kids weren't there, but they still did it.!!

The Coopers make a quick move to make sure their grandchilden were safe and not living in a dangerous volatile situation.

On, the other hand, the Fishers waited 2 long years........
.
If LE had enough to arrest Jason for the murder of Michelle, do you really think they would wait around for CY to continue to grow up?
There is nothing they would wait for.........
Nothing..
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 05:37 PM

I do believe that LE has Cassidy on the 911 call saying "Daddy did it". However that is no where near enough to arrest him. Cassidy is unable to testify or be cross examined. It will simply be a heartbreaking piece of a large puzzle.

I don't know about that, it would appear to me, that if those words were really said in the context of the 911 call, that would be pretty compelling, in or out of a court room.

I know it would not be admissable, but it would still be pretty powerful, don't you think?
If those words were really spoken, and if we haven't been over this 1,000, 0000, 00000 x by now....

It might mean something.
Apparently, it didn't.

JMO
Kat

CarolinaStar

05-18-2009, 05:40 PM

Tia

05-18-2009, 05:46 PM

And.....IMO, if Jason had any concerns about Meredith being a fit guardian, why would he "give" her primary custody? He, her own father, seems to believe that Meredith will be able to provide a better environment, more care, more stablility, etc. than he can provide. Otherwise why would he have "given" away the primary custody of his daughter?

As I see it, there are only two possible answers. Jason wanted to avoid incriminating himself, so he selfishly put himself before his child, OR, he thinks Meredith will make the better parent.

IMO it comes down to those two options.

Hope this helps..................:wink:

Somehow, I think option number 1 is right on the money.

JMO

Tia

05-18-2009, 05:49 PM

In reference to LF waiting two(2) years to pursue custody while leaving CY in what some believe might be an unhealthy environment, do we know whether Social Services has not been alerted and made "well checks"? CPS can intervene if some concerned person reported a threat of harm. As a former social worker, I know for a fact that TOH is a viable premise for CPS to become involved. CY may have been kept an eye on in this way so she would not be hurt/harmed.

Correct. And if reported and Cassidy were being monitored, the public would not know because that info is confidential, so for all we know....CPS could be monitoring and Jason isn't talking so we won't find out from him!

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 06:08 PM

In reference to LF waiting two(2) years to pursue custody while leaving CY in what some believe might be an unhealthy environment, do we know whether Social Services has not been alerted and made "well checks"? CPS can intervene if some concerned person reported a threat of harm. As a former social worker, I know for a fact that TOH is a viable premise for CPS to become involved. CY may have been kept an eye on in this way so she would not be hurt/harmed.

Anything is possible, this had been discussed here.
Especially, when L E hinted at the possibility of CY being a witness to her Mom's murder.

If she were to be in any danger, I certainly hope someone was looking out for her...and, will continue to do so.

But, still no one tried to take here away from Jason for 2 long years.
And, that is something no one can explain...
Unless, they were not really all that worried, after all.
:shrug:
Kat

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 06:08 PM

It has the same to do with this case, or any other cases that we may draw comparisions too..

Someone posted the other day a case that showed a 5 year timelime, nothing to do with this particular case, either.........:shrug:

L E does not wait for "convenient times" to arrest a suspect, because he/she has a child, :lol:.

Look at Drew Peterson, he just got busted, and. yeah, they did it when he was alone at a traffic stop so his kids weren't there, but they still did it.!!

The Coopers make a quick move to make sure their grandchilden were safe and not living in a dangerous volatile situation.

On, the other hand, the Fishers waited 2 long years........
.
If LE had enough to arrest Jason for the murder of Michelle, do you really think they would wait around for CY to continue to grow up?
There is nothing they would wait for.........
Nothing..
Kat

I see nothing in those cases to compare this one to. If I were interested in other cases, I would read and post there, and your points your trying to make, make no sense to me for the simple reason I never posted any of the comments you are responding to.

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 06:14 PM

Correct. And if reported and Cassidy were being monitored, the public would not know because that info is confidential, so for all we know....CPS could be monitoring and Jason isn't talking so we won't find out from him!

I have always wondered if CPS might be involved and that could be the reason Jason has lived with his mom or sister ever since Michelle's murder.
Maybe the only way he could have Cassidy living with him, was if he had another approved relative living in the same house with them. And, possibly he agreed to Meredith raising Cassidy because he couldn't clear himself with CPS without giving up his "muteness" and didn't want to incriminate himself there either.

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 06:15 PM

I see nothing in those cases to compare this one to. If I were interested in other cases, I would read and post there, and your points your trying to make, make no sense to me for the simple reason I never posted any of the comments you are responding to.

I think all murder cases have something in common, somewhere along the way, don't you?
Cooper vs. Young case shows grandparents that took immediate action to assure the children were okay vs. a family who waited a very, very long time, and yet both parties feel their son in law murdered their daughter.!!
I guess that was the point!!
Both cases took place in NC, just miles apart, and the Judge residing over each custody case was the same too, Judge Sasser!!!!!!!!
:)
JMO
Kat

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 06:19 PM

Anything is possible, this had been discussed here.
Especially, when L E hinted at the possibility of CY being a witness to her Mom's murder.

If she were to be in any danger, I certainly hope someone was looking out for her...and, will continue to do so.

But, still no one tried to take here away from Jason for 2 long years.
And, that is something no one can explain...
Unless, they were not really all that worried, after all.
:shrug:
Kat

Why constantly chastise Linda and Meredith Fisher for not seeking custody sooner, when so few of the facts in this case have been made public ? We have absolutely NO idea what has gone on behind closed doors with any of the people involved in this case, so how can you place blame so readily ? They did do it now, and they were successful in their endeavors, Cassidy will live with them very soon and for good.
It would be nice if they were ever given a heads up for what they have accomplished in the courts in Cassidy behalf.

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 06:26 PM

I think all murder cases have something in common, somewhere along the way, don't you?
Cooper vs. Young case shows grandparents that took immediate action to assure the children were okay vs. a family who waited a very, very long time, and yet both parties feel their son in law murdered their daughter.!!
I guess that was the point!!
Both cases took place in NC, just miles apart, and the Judge residing over each custody case was the same too, Judge Sasser!!!!!!!!
:)
JMO
Kat

I just don't see what is accomplished by these types of comparisons. The same county ? One set of grandparents took immediate action ?
Wasn't that case pretty much solved in a short time and the husband arrested ? That right there shows an enormous difference in the two cases. This case has been difficult from the beginning for LE, and IMO
comparing cases like these is fruitless, as their is no comparison.
:)

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 06:45 PM

I just don't see what is accomplished by these types of comparisons. The same county ? One set of grandparents took immediate action ?
Wasn't that case pretty much solved in a short time and the husband arrested ? That right there shows an enormous difference in the two cases. This case has been difficult from the beginning for LE, and IMO
comparing cases like these is fruitless, as their is no comparison.
:)

Hey, we can disagree all you want.. murder is murder.!!

Something else I keep seeing is insinuations that Jason is only free because he has refused to talk.:no:
Nahhh, doesn't work that way.

If you think Jason is guilty, then Jason is so smart, he has got away with murder for over 2 /1/2 years........

Then there is the stupid Jason who has an affair with his wife's friend in the timeframe leading up to her death, tells friends she is bugging him, and that he doesn't know what to do with her.

Then, there is the therapist, who if Michelle confided into anything about Jason, who is going to come forward too. He can't be that stupid to know that won't happen.

Then he stops at Cracker Barrel to eat, when he knows that the GA friend will contradict his story of not being hungry when he left for Hillsville....same with his traveling stories.

And, any attempt to look loving and grieving after Michelle's death, failed miserably too. He didn't buy a headstone, didn't attend memorials, etc.

Doesn't sound like he made much of an effort to not look suspicious.

Then there is the email he wrote Michelle, and the email he wrote to Kim, giving us a look at an uncaring and callous Jason.....
Then there is the defensive Jason who got called out by Alan, it didn't seem like he liked it, did he?
He wanted Alan's unconditional support.

So, what has the guy got going for him, except maybe the truth?
He may have some time on his side , but that is not enough to keep him from going to jail..
But to think , he has not been arrested, simply because he has not talked is not true.
Jason has not been arrested simply because they can not build a strong enough case......or simply because he did not do it.

JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 06:53 PM

Why constantly chastise Linda and Meredith Fisher for not seeking custody sooner, when so few of the facts in this case have been made public ? We have absolutely NO idea what has gone on behind closed doors with any of the people involved in this case, so how can you place blame so readily ? They did do it now, and they were successful in their endeavors, Cassidy will live with them very soon and for good.
It would be nice if they were ever given a heads up for what they have accomplished in the courts in Cassidy behalf.

Because, if Jason had murdered Michelle and if anything had happened to CY, then what?
Big chances on a little girl's life.

Kat

dkny

05-18-2009, 07:05 PM

I have always wondered if CPS might be involved and that could be the reason Jason has lived with his mom or sister ever since Michelle's murder.
Maybe the only way he could have Cassidy living with him, was if he had another approved relative living in the same house with them. And, possibly he agreed to Meredith raising Cassidy because he couldn't clear himself with CPS without giving up his "muteness" and didn't want to incriminate himself there either.

Makes sense imo. Not enough for either, JY does not have to talk to CPS either. JMO

dkny

05-18-2009, 07:09 PM

dkny

05-18-2009, 07:18 PM

Because, if Jason had murdered Michelle and if anything had happened to CY, then what?
Big chances on a little girl's life.

Kat

If CY was supposed to be dead she would be. CY brought $ to JY too, It seems like no LI $, no SS $ from MY for CY, Short sale on the house,
Townhouse proceeds will go to CY, I am not sure about the 401 K from MY and the 15 million + enforcable Judgment brought on behalf of CY against JY. Somehow, I am thinking, it did not go the way it was supposed to. JMVHOO.

trucrime

05-18-2009, 07:21 PM

Hey, we can disagree all you want.. murder is murder.!!

Something else I keep seeing is insinuations that Jason is only free because he has refused to talk.:no:
Nahhh, doesn't work that way.

If you think Jason is guilty, then Jason is so smart, he has got away with murder for over 2 /1/2 years........

Then there is the stupid Jason who has an affair with his wife's friend in the timeframe leading up to her death, tells friends she is bugging him, and that he doesn't know what to do with her.

Then, there is the therapist, who if Michelle confided into anything about Jason, who is going to come forward too. He can't be that stupid to know that won't happen.

Then he stops at Cracker Barrel to eat, when he knows that the GA friend will contradict his story of not being hungry when he left for Hillsville....same with his traveling stories.

And, any attempt to look loving and grieving after Michelle's death, failed miserably too. He didn't buy a headstone, didn't attend memorials, etc.

Doesn't sound like he made much of an effort to not look suspicious.

Then there is the email he wrote Michelle, and the email he wrote to Kim, giving us a look at an uncaring and callous Jason.....
Then there is the defensive Jason who got called out by Alan, it didn't seem like he liked it, did he?
He wanted Alan's unconditional support.

So, what has the guy got going for him, except maybe the truth?
He may have some time on his side , but that is not enough to keep him from going to jail..
But to think , he has not been arrested, simply because he has not talked is not true.
Jason has not been arrested simply because they can not build a strong enough case......or simply because he did not do it.

JMO
Kat

Just because they havent arrested him yet doesnt mean they dont have a case against him. I can cite other cases that have taken a long time to bring the perp to justice.

Also - no person who commits murder is "smart" IMO. You say Jason must be a smart person to have evaded arrest after all this time (your exact words are "If you think Jason is guilty, then Jason is so smart, he has got away with murder for over 2 /1/2 years........"). Well that is not my definition of "smart". JMO.

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 07:22 PM

How long ago was Kathleen Savio murdered ? :confused: JMOO

Her death has only been considered suspicious for a year and a 1/2.
Before that it was ruled "accidential".
Kat

trucrime

05-18-2009, 07:26 PM

I don't know about that, it would appear to me, that if those words were really said in the context of the 911 call, that would be pretty compelling, in or out of a court room.

I know it would not be admissable, but it would still be pretty powerful, don't you think?
If those words were really spoken, and if we haven't been over this 1,000, 0000, 00000 x by now....

It might mean something.
Apparently, it didn't.

JMO
Kat

To my knowledge there has been no official statement about the alleged content of the 911 call, specifically Cassidy saying or not saying "Daddy did it". "If those words were really spoken", well what do you think she is saying? IMO she's speaking and it sounds to me like she's saying "Daddy did it". Who's to say what it is or isnt going to mean, we haven't had an arrest and a trial yet. But if you can prove with a news article that it didnt mean anything, feel free to provide a link. Otherwise isnt it just speculation that the 911 call means nothing? JMO.

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 07:26 PM

Just because they havent arrested him yet doesnt mean they dont have a case against him. I can cite other cases that have taken a long time to bring the perp to justice.

Also - no person who commits murder is "smart" IMO. You say Jason must be a smart person to have evaded arrest after all this time (your exact words are "If you think Jason is guilty, then Jason is so smart, he has got away with murder for over 2 /1/2 years........"). Well that is not my definition of "smart". JMO.

I am sure there are other cases, the Capano case took a long time, and the case metioned here the other day.

But, this case had the body and crime scene immediately .
I don't consider any murderers smart, but Jason can not just be that lucky, either.

JMO
Kat

trucrime

05-18-2009, 07:27 PM

Her death has only been considered suspicious for a year and a 1/2.
Before that it was ruled "accidential".
Kat

And you left out that at least some of her family felt it was foul play all along. JMO

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 07:28 PM

To my knowledge there has been no official statement about the alleged content of the 911 call, specifically Cassidy saying or not saying "Daddy did it". "If those words were really spoken", well what do you think she is saying? IMO she's speaking and it sounds to me like she's saying "Daddy did it". Who's to say what it is or isnt going to mean, we haven't had an arrest and a trial yet. But if you can prove with a news article that it didnt mean anything, feel free to provide a link. Otherwise isnt it just speculation that the 911 call means nothing? JMO.

Then you would have to do the same, prove that the words (if spoken) do mean something......
Have they led to an arrest?
JMO.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-18-2009, 07:30 PM

And you left out that at least some of her family felt it was foul play all along. JMO

I am sure they did.
However, it was not investigated until Stacey went missing.
So, it is not a 5-6 year old case, it is 1 1/2 years old.
This case, the Michelle Young case, is now more than 2 1/2 years old.
JMO
Kat

CarolinaStar

05-18-2009, 09:33 PM

KAT4: Why do you always tell posters who wish to clarify or reiterate a point that (paraphrase) "this has been discussed a 1,000,000 X" when you constantly in your posts and responses say the same thing time after time? Do we all not "play" under the same set of rules?

Leanne Weich

05-18-2009, 09:53 PM

Tia

05-18-2009, 10:09 PM

Hi Jane, LTNS. Add to the fact that BC had either attempted suicide in the past and/or threatened it and the grandparents had really good exigent circumstances to seek custody.

Hi Leanne!

Exactly! We discussed this waaaaaaaay back. Brad was suicidal. Jason is not-or has never given any indication, so the circumstances are totally different.

JMO

janesdeaan

05-18-2009, 10:26 PM

I am sure there are other cases, the Capano case took a long time, and the case metioned here the other day.

But, this case had the body and crime scene immediately .
I don't consider any murderers smart, but Jason can not just be that lucky, either.

JMO
Kat

Again, the length of time it takes for LE to solve a murder is irrelevant.
They will investigate this murder until they are satisfied they have the correct person responsible. Nothing you post on a message board will ever change that, lol. Just because Jason (or anyone) has not been arrested yet does not mean he won't be, nor does it mean LE is not doing their job. Exactly the opposite, reading your posts all these months, complaining about the length of time that has passed is the only time I have ever heard someone call a murder case cold or unsolvable due to the time that passes since the crime. If LE was out of leads, ideas, suspects that would be a cold case. In this case LE has spoken out publicly stating not only is it NOT cold, but the lead detective named the perp and yet you still post time after time that because Jason has not been arrested, something is wrong with the investigation or LE. I disagree with that and always have, I and many here are very satisfied with the job LE is doing and will wait patiently for them to complete it and make the arrest.

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 12:28 AM

Hi Jane, LTNS. Add to the fact that BC had either attempted suicide in the past and/or threatened it and the grandparents had really good exigent circumstances to seek custody.

So, the fact that IF Jason left CY in the home with her Mom's body, that wouldn't be a cause of alarm for anyone?

That wouldn't go towards child endangerment and be enough to try and get the child removed, before something bad could had happened?

I see.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 12:47 AM

Again, the length of time it takes for LE to solve a murder is irrelevant.
They will investigate this murder until they are satisfied they have the correct person responsible. Nothing you post on a message board will ever change that, lol. Just because Jason (or anyone) has not been arrested yet does not mean he won't be, nor does it mean LE is not doing their job. Exactly the opposite, reading your posts all these months, complaining about the length of time that has passed is the only time I have ever heard someone call a murder case cold or unsolvable due to the time that passes since the crime. If LE was out of leads, ideas, suspects that would be a cold case. In this case LE has spoken out publicly stating not only is it NOT cold, but the lead detective named the perp and yet you still post time after time that because Jason has not been arrested, something is wrong with the investigation or LE. I disagree with that and always have, I and many here are very satisfied with the job LE is doing and will wait patiently for them to complete it and make the arrest.

Oh my gosh, the time of an arrest in a murder case is definitely relevant.!!
Since when does L E just let a killer or killers walk free until the time is convenient to make an arrest?
You have to be kidding me.
Their job is to solve a crime as quickly as can be , not only for the victim, but for their family.
Watch how fast this Coleman case wraps up........
It won't grow cold...
You know why that will be?
"Evidence"
Evidence enough to not only indict, but to arrest., and convict.
Meanwhile, this case just drags on and should not be considered a current crime,
I wouldn't even know how to classify this case anymore.
I do think something went wrong in this investigation somewhere, something didn't turn out right at some point.
I have no idea what.
I just don't know how anyone can continue to deny that something isn't right.
Do you ever see this case being talked about on Nancy Grace or Greta, etc?
Has it been in the news at all since March?
Just the fact that there are so very few posts here, shows that people have moved on .
I said I would follow it to the end, and I have kept my word, but even now I only read here weekly.
JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 12:49 AM

Hi Jane, LTNS. Add to the fact that BC had either attempted suicide in the past and/or threatened it and the grandparents had really good exigent circumstances to seek custody.

Just a quick question, why has Brad Cooper been arrested but Jason Young is free?

Thanxx.

Kat

Stellagant

05-19-2009, 01:21 AM

It has the same to do with this case, or any other cases that we may draw comparisions too..

Someone posted the other day a case that showed a 5 year timelime, nothing to do with this particular case, either.........:shrug:

L E does not wait for "convenient times" to arrest a suspect, because he/she has a child, :lol:.

Look at Drew Peterson, he just got busted, and. yeah, they did it when he was alone at a traffic stop so his kids weren't there, but they still did it.!!

The Coopers make a quick move to make sure their grandchilden were safe and not living in a dangerous volatile situation.

On, the other hand, the Fishers waited 2 long years........
.
If LE had enough to arrest Jason for the murder of Michelle, do you really think they would wait around for CY to continue to grow up?
There is nothing they would wait for.........
Nothing..
Kat

ITA. You are also correct. Nancy Cooper's parents and sister took IMMEDIATE custody action on an emergency basis and the Judge awarded it to them. They didn't back down before a lengthy psych evaluation was completed. They clearly were not more afraid of their own skeletons coming to light rather than what was in the best interest of those two little girls. The contrast between the two custody pursuits is striking. imo, Nancy's parents were focused on their grandchildren's safety, Linda Fisher seemed focused on her grandchild's money.

Leanne Weich

05-19-2009, 01:24 AM

Just a quick question, why has Brad Cooper been arrested but Jason Young is free?

Thanxx.

Kat

I would suspect that evidentially it was easier to prove he was the perp because her body was moved or she was not killed in the home (not sure we know either way yet). IIRC, they found evidence in or on his m.v. He also spoke to LE so could be inconsistencies there. I don't think we know very much information about evidence as yet.

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 11:31 AM

I would suspect that evidentially it was easier to prove he was the perp because her body was moved or she was not killed in the home (not sure we know either way yet). IIRC, they found evidence in or on his m.v. He also spoke to LE so could be inconsistencies there. I don't think we know very much information about evidence as yet.

I see.
O/T:
I was reading the Coleman thread last nite and some of the posts were calling for an arrest of the husband, and wondering why nothing has happened yet..
That case is barely 2 weeks old.....but, people want justice.
They want the killer(s) to pay for the crime, now.
Not walking the streets 2 and 1/2 years later, like this one.

JMO
Kat

BSNBREVARDNC

05-19-2009, 11:33 AM

Just a quick question, why has Brad Cooper been arrested but Jason Young is free?

Thanxx.

Kat

It could be because Brad Cooper's lawyers didn't tell him to keep his guilty mouth shut.

It could be that he loved his daughters more than himself.

Who knows? Just my opinion.

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 11:37 AM

ITA. You are also correct. Nancy Cooper's parents and sister took IMMEDIATE custody action on an emergency basis and the Judge awarded it to them. They didn't back down before a lengthy psych evaluation was completed. They clearly were not more afraid of their own skeletons coming to light rather than what was in the best interest of those two little girls. The contrast between the two custody pursuits is striking. imo, Nancy's parents were focused on their grandchildren's safety, Linda Fisher seemed focused on her grandchild's money.

Of course they did, and it was not only justifiable, but very admirable.!!
They went in there and fought for the kids, they didn't wait!!
They didn't hang around to see if something bad would happen or wait for an arrest,
They acted in the best interests of the children.

Why would someone let their granchild or grandchildren live with someone they think committed murder.?
:hammer:
I keep reading these posts that say L E will act only after CY is away from Jason.
Umm, no!!

Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 11:40 AM

It could be because Brad Cooper's lawyers didn't tell him to keep his guilty mouth shut.

It could be that he loved his daughters more than himself.

Who knows? Just my opinion.

Brad was arrested because he loved his children more?
Did he confess or take a plea?
JMO
Kat

Tia

05-19-2009, 12:25 PM

It could be because Brad Cooper's lawyers didn't tell him to keep his guilty mouth shut.

It could be that he loved his daughters more than himself.

Who knows? Just my opinion.

Its been explained a zillion times to the JII's that Brad was suicidal-thats the difference.

Jason will be arrested, its only a matter of time.

JMO

Tia

05-19-2009, 12:44 PM

Its been explained a zillion times to the JII's that Brad was suicidal-thats the difference.

Jason will be arrested, its only a matter of time.

JMO

Editing my own post:

Brad also ran his mouth, and there was more physical evidence.

As Thunderbird posted, CE takes much longer to build a case around.

achristie

05-19-2009, 12:47 PM

Its been explained a zillion times to the JII's that Brad was suicidal-thats the difference.

Jason will be arrested, its only a matter of time.

JMO

I've been away for awhile and am simply amazed that the criticism of the Fisher's continues. Quite harsh.

Tia

05-19-2009, 12:53 PM

I've been away for awhile and am simply amazed that the criticism of the Fisher's continues. Quite harsh.

Welcome Back Aggie!!!!

Maybe it will stop once Jason is arrested?

BSNBREVARDNC

05-19-2009, 01:11 PM

Welcome Back Aggie!!!!

Maybe it will stop once Jason is arrested?

I doubt it. IMO, certain "unnamed" posters will start with conspiracy theories once the arrest takes place. I'm sure they will say that the DA or LE are in cahoots with the Fishers.:thumbdown: But we must all just consider the source. IMO of course.

moorhill

05-19-2009, 01:24 PM

What a scrum this board is!!
On the one hand it is good to see Jason Young's due process rights being vigorously defended; on the other, it looks an awful lot like Jason is guilty of the murder--and that ASSUMPTION is based on a whole lot of evidence.

An arrest has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of time passed. Nothing.
If the DA is trying to put together a case for premeditation (as he clearly is) then it will take a little time.

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 01:40 PM

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 01:44 PM

I doubt it. IMO, certain "unnamed" posters will start with conspiracy theories once the arrest takes place. I'm sure they will say that the DA or LE are in cahoots with the Fishers.:thumbdown: But we must all just consider the source. IMO of course.

If Jason is arrested, there won't be any conspiracy theories on my part.
Where did you get that from?
If Jason killed Michelle, he should have been arrested the nite he came back to Raleigh.
JMO
Kat

Tia

05-19-2009, 01:50 PM

I doubt it. IMO, certain "unnamed" posters will start with conspiracy theories once the arrest takes place. I'm sure they will say that the DA or LE are in cahoots with the Fishers.:thumbdown: But we must all just consider the source. IMO of course.

As I have stated MANY times, even if there were video of Jason murdering Michelle, the Fisher's would be blamed and vilified daily, just as they are now. The conspiracy theory will be that Meredith did it and set Jason up :rolleyes:

JMO

BSNBREVARDNC

05-19-2009, 02:14 PM

SNIPPED........
If Jason killed Michelle, he should have been arrested the nite he came back to Raleigh.
JMO
Kat

:ohmy:

Without an investigation????
Without evidence????
Why would anyone just immediately arrest a victim's spouse?
Don't we have a constitution to protect us from this type of thing?
What sort of tyrannical act are you advocating?

I'm glad that Donnie and his deputies are doing an investigation and not just arresting someone for the sake of making an arrest.

IMO of course.

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 02:27 PM

:ohmy:

Without an investigation????
Without evidence????
Why would anyone just immediately arrest a victim's spouse?
Don't we have a constitution to protect us from this type of thing?
What sort of tyrannical act are you advocating?

I'm glad that Donnie and his deputies are doing an investigation and not just arresting someone for the sake of making an arrest.

IMO of course.

Me too.!!! They should take 50 years if they need to, dang it!!
There is no statutes of limitation on murder, why the rush?
When I see all these posts demanding an arrest in this case,
I just want to say, Whoa.!!!
What's the hurry?
:cool:

Kat

moorhill

05-19-2009, 02:55 PM

Little Time= 2 years, 6 months, 2 weeks, 3 days??
Little time?
:confused:
Kat

"A little time' was clearly a sarcastic remark. Obviously it takes a LOT of time to build a case for premeditation. As it should...

Kat4Eagles

05-19-2009, 03:16 PM

"A little time' was clearly a sarcastic remark. Obviously it takes a LOT of time to build a case for premeditation. As it should...

Sarcasm on a message board? I see.
I agree, and if it takes forever, so what?
The public needs to understand it is not always easy to make an arrest and put a killer or killers behind bars for the rest of their lives. where they belong.!!
Or maybe even on death row, wow.
Patience is key here.
Maybe next week: !!
:seeya:

Kat

trucrime

05-19-2009, 04:03 PM

I doubt it. IMO, certain "unnamed" posters will start with conspiracy theories once the arrest takes place. I'm sure they will say that the DA or LE are in cahoots with the Fishers.:thumbdown: But we must all just consider the source. IMO of course.

ITA. Those conspiracy theories seeds have already been planted IMO, they'll be in full bloom by the time JLY gets arrested. JMO.

trucrime

05-19-2009, 04:05 PM

Me too.!!! They should take 50 years if they need to, dang it!!
There is no statutes of limitation on murder, why the rush?
When I see all these posts demanding an arrest in this case,
I just want to say, Whoa.!!!
What's the hurry?
:cool:

Kat

Then why do you make frequent comments about how its taking so long? If it doesnt matter to you, why bother saying anything like that.

I personally am in no hurry, as long as LE is doing their job and by all indications they are - that's what counts. Im confident that in time Jason will be arrested. Maybe not today, tomorrow, but some day. JMO.

trucrime

05-19-2009, 04:08 PM

K4E has been posting her double spaced carp for 2½ years now.

JMO but it makes it hard to read the posts at times when they're double spaced. Plus I thought it was against TOS. But you saw CW's warning a few pages ago, no sense in complaining about anything here. JMO.

Leanne Weich

05-19-2009, 05:16 PM

I am not going to be surprised if, after JY is arrested and convicted, one or more of the JIIs, blame the fact that he killed Michelle on his hatred for Linda (because she was such a bad m-i-l) or the stress Meredith put him under with her constant complaints pertaining to her jealousy of Michelle. You just know it will not be Jason's fault, imo.

beattherap

05-19-2009, 05:38 PM

Then why do you make frequent comments about how its taking so long? If it doesnt matter to you, why bother saying anything like that.

I personally am in no hurry, as long as LE is doing their job and by all indications they are - that's what counts. Im confident that in time Jason will be arrested. Maybe not today, tomorrow, but some day. JMO.
i'm doing my once in awhile check and sure enough... the confidence that jy will be arrested stays strong... is there a sort of reverse thinking going on--- the longer it is from the crime, the better become chances of an arrest...

around a week ago, somebody had a saying about her grandpa... i forget what it was, but the poster had a 'feeling' something was about to happen...

i'm just not getting the reasons for optimism.
imo.

dkny

05-19-2009, 09:33 PM

I was thinking about JY and the life he has created for himself and I think jail would be better for him, at least the other shoe would have dropped. He would have some stability in his life etc...That sounds good for him, maybe that is why the DA is making the case solid for a DP case. JMHOO.

annalyzer

05-20-2009, 01:10 AM

Arrest already in the Coleman murders. And guess what, it's the husband/father. No surprise.

reborn

05-20-2009, 07:43 AM

Arrest already in the Coleman murders. And guess what, it's the husband/father. No surprise.

Wow. Those ILL LE sure know how to work a case.

dkny

05-20-2009, 10:08 AM

Wow. Those ILL LE sure know how to work a case.

ITA, wish they could come to Raleigh and take a look @ this case, it needs some looking @. JMVHO

janesdeaan

05-20-2009, 11:07 AM

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Since when does L E just let a killer or killers walk free until the time is convenient to make an arrest?
You have to be kidding me.
Their job is to solve a crime as quickly as can be , not only for the victim, but for their family.
Watch how fast this Coleman case wraps up........
It won't grow cold...
You know why that will be?
"Evidence"
Evidence enough to not only indict, but to arrest., and convict.
Meanwhile, this case just drags on and should not be considered a current crime,
I wouldn't even know how to classify this case anymore.
Just the fact that there are so very few posts here, shows that people have moved on .Kat

I have never, ever heard of LE waiting to arrest someone for murder until "the time is convenient" or of "letting a killer walk free until the time is convenient to make an arrest". Where on earth do you get this stuff ? Convenient ? When you say "are you kidding me" to whom are you asking that question ? This case isnt "just dragging on" it is being investigated, currently investigated and all the evidence is being analyzed, currently. This is NOT a cold case, it is a current case, that means law enforcement is currently investigating this murder and they have said so more than once. Detective Spivey has named the person he believes killed Michelle and he has testified under oath to that. He has been the LEAD detective on this case now for over two years, he stated the evidence he has discovered and analyzed has led to his opinion Jason Young pre-meditated the murder of his wife and child.
He also testified under oath that not all the evidence he has analyzed has been made public, as in there is evidence that has been kept from the public that only LE has seen. And that is the evidence that helped him to come to the conclusion Jason Young is the killer of Michelle Young and her child. So, if you read these statements by LE, and you understand what they are saying, you see that this case is current, there has been a opinion formed by Det. Spivey and made public as to who committed these murders and the investigation is continuing until all the evidence has been analyzed and then there will be an arrest. Until then, we wait. IMO, the reason for so few posts here about this case is because of the complaining to the moderator by a select few and the subsequent bannings of posters and deletion of posts. That, IMO is why people have moved on, to other boards to discuss the Michelle Young case, they tired of the constant bashing of victims family and baiting that goes on here. This case is very much current, and no one has tired of waiting for justice for Michelle, that is evident by reading at the forum where the posters who have been here since the beginning are now posting. They haven't moved on from discussing this case, just from this particular forum. Hope this helps !!!

reborn

05-20-2009, 05:06 PM

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I have never, ever heard of LE waiting to arrest someone for murder until "the time is convenient" or of "letting a killer walk free until the time is convenient to make an arrest". Where on earth do you get this stuff ? Convenient ? When you say "are you kidding me" to whom are you asking that question ? This case isnt "just dragging on" it is being investigated, currently investigated and all the evidence is being analyzed, currently. This is NOT a cold case, it is a current case, that means law enforcement is currently investigating this murder and they have said so more than once. Detective Spivey has named the person he believes killed Michelle and he has testified under oath to that. He has been the LEAD detective on this case now for over two years, he stated the evidence he has discovered and analyzed has led to his opinion Jason Young pre-meditated the murder of his wife and child.
He also testified under oath that not all the evidence he has analyzed has been made public, as in there is evidence that has been kept from the public that only LE has seen. And that is the evidence that helped him to come to the conclusion Jason Young is the killer of Michelle Young and her child. So, if you read these statements by LE, and you understand what they are saying, you see that this case is current, there has been a opinion formed by Det. Spivey and made public as to who committed these murders and the investigation is continuing until all the evidence has been analyzed and then there will be an arrest. Until then, we wait. IMO, the reason for so few posts here about this case is because of the complaining to the moderator by a select few and the subsequent bannings of posters and deletion of posts. That, IMO is why people have moved on, to other boards to discuss the Michelle Young case, they tired of the constant bashing of victims family and baiting that goes on here. This case is very much current, and no one has tired of waiting for justice for Michelle, that is evident by reading at the forum where the posters who have been here since the beginning are now posting. They haven't moved on from discussing this case, just from this particular forum. Hope this helps !!!

I'm curious where you are finding all these other forums that are still discussing the case? I only know of one other and the evidence is never discussed there. I don't know if you can put the names of other forums on IS but you can pm me the web sites. TIA

Kat4Eagles

05-20-2009, 05:19 PM

Arrest already in the Coleman murders. And guess what, it's the husband/father. No surprise.

Wow!!
I just got in and saw this.
16 days later and an arrest!!
I was watching NG last nite and there was a lot of complaining
of why no one was arrested yet!!
They should be covering this
case ,approx. 920 days later!!
Thank you, Anna, amazing how easy and quickly it can be to solve a crime, isn't it?
If the evidence is there, that is.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-20-2009, 05:21 PM

I'm curious where you are finding all these other forums that are still discussing the case? I only know of one other and the evidence is never discussed there. I don't know if you can put the names of other forums on IS but you can pm me the web sites. TIA

There is really not all that much to talk about anywhere. is there?
Like I just posted it has been 920 days and here we are.
:(
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-20-2009, 05:22 PM

i'm doing my once in awhile check and sure enough... the confidence that jy will be arrested stays strong... is there a sort of reverse thinking going on--- the longer it is from the crime, the better become chances of an arrest...

around a week ago, somebody had a saying about her grandpa... i forget what it was, but the poster had a 'feeling' something was about to happen...

i'm just not getting the reasons for optimism.
imo.

Me either!!
Especially after seeing how fast Coleman went down, huh?
Wow!!
Kat

Kat4Eagles

05-20-2009, 05:39 PM

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I have never, ever heard of LE waiting to arrest someone for murder until "the time is convenient" or of "letting a killer walk free until the time is convenient to make an arrest". Where on earth do you get this stuff ? Convenient ? When you say "are you kidding me" to whom are you asking that question ? This case isnt "just dragging on" it is being investigated, currently investigated and all the evidence is being analyzed, currently. This is NOT a cold case, it is a current case, that means law enforcement is currently investigating this murder and they have said so more than once. Detective Spivey has named the person he believes killed Michelle and he has testified under oath to that. He has been the LEAD detective on this case now for over two years, he stated the evidence he has discovered and analyzed has led to his opinion Jason Young pre-meditated the murder of his wife and child.
He also testified under oath that not all the evidence he has analyzed has been made public, as in there is evidence that has been kept from the public that only LE has seen. And that is the evidence that helped him to come to the conclusion Jason Young is the killer of Michelle Young and her child. So, if you read these statements by LE, and you understand what they are saying, you see that this case is current, there has been a opinion formed by Det. Spivey and made public as to who committed these murders and the investigation is continuing until all the evidence has been analyzed and then there will be an arrest. Until then, we wait. IMO, the reason for so few posts here about this case is because of the complaining to the moderator by a select few and the subsequent bannings of posters and deletion of posts. That, IMO is why people have moved on, to other boards to discuss the Michelle Young case, they tired of the constant bashing of victims family and baiting that goes on here. This case is very much current, and no one has tired of waiting for justice for Michelle, that is evident by reading at the forum where the posters who have been here since the beginning are now posting. They haven't moved on from discussing this case, just from this particular forum. Hope this helps !!!

There have been posts here over the last few years,months, weeks, days stating that LE was waiting for a certain date or time to make their arrest.
Some said they were waiting for CY to be removed from Jason.
Those are the posts I was referring to and that's where on earth I got it from.
:rolleyes:
Oh, no the case is not dragging on.
The Coleman case just produced an arrest in 16 days.......
This case has not had any publicity since last March.
Could you provide us with a link of something that has happened since then?
If LE or any detective feels that Jason killed Michelle, then arrest him.
The reason,imo, there are few posts here is that there is nothing much left to talk about.
If you have something new to discuss, maybe that will bring posters back.
Discussing other forums does not help, thanxx though.!
This is "In Sessions".!!
Kat

achristie

05-20-2009, 08:34 PM

I'm curious where you are finding all these other forums that are still discussing the case? I only know of one other and the evidence is never discussed there. I don't know if you can put the names of other forums on IS but you can pm me the web sites. TIA

I can't put the forums out there. I know there are several, but most are private. Kinda too bad as I've heard lots have good information. Not much going on on the open boards. That will change once there is an arrest.

MOO Aggie

janesdeaan

05-20-2009, 10:15 PM

There have been posts here over the last few years,months, weeks, days stating that LE was waiting for a certain date or time to make their arrest.
Some said they were waiting for CY to be removed from Jason.
Those are the posts I was referring to and that's where on earth I got it from.
:rolleyes:
Oh, no the case is not dragging on.
The Coleman case just produced an arrest in 16 days.......
This case has not had any publicity since last March.
Could you provide us with a link of something that has happened since then?
If LE or any detective feels that Jason killed Michelle, then arrest him.
The reason,imo, there are few posts here is that there is nothing much left to talk about.
If you have something new to discuss, maybe that will bring posters back.
Discussing other forums does not help, thanxx though.!
This is "In Sessions".!!
Kat

Huh ? Just yesterday you were discussing other forums, is it only OK for YOU to discuss other forums ? This case has not had any "publicity" since last March ? I find the word PUBLICITY an odd choice, as is your constant counting down the days since the investigation began. I am not here to try and draw posters to this forum, if you want more posters maybe you should stop complaining about everybody's posts and stop trying to get people banned. There is no way ANY one can bring those posters back, they have enjoyed enough of the goings on here. As for this case and discussion, there is plenty to discuss as it is a current case being investigated currently. As is the usual procedure here, now that I have taken YOUR bait and gotten off topic, (something you have done constantly since you showed up here) I will undoubtedly be banned as soon as you write CW your whiney complaint so I will say my good byes and wish you the best in your endeavors here, good luck with that and buh-bye...
janesdean...

Stellagant

05-21-2009, 12:32 AM

There have been posts here over the last few years,months, weeks, days stating that LE was waiting for a certain date or time to make their arrest.
Some said they were waiting for CY to be removed from Jason.
Those are the posts I was referring to and that's where on earth I got it from.
:rolleyes:
Oh, no the case is not dragging on.
The Coleman case just produced an arrest in 16 days.......
This case has not had any publicity since last March.
Could you provide us with a link of something that has happened since then?
If LE or any detective feels that Jason killed Michelle, then arrest him.
The reason,imo, there are few posts here is that there is nothing much left to talk about.
If you have something new to discuss, maybe that will bring posters back.
Discussing other forums does not help, thanxx though.!
This is "In Sessions".!!
Kat

Good points. If the DA had enough evidence to make an arrest of Jason Young, he would be totally irresponsible in waiting. He didn't delay in arresting Brad Cooper.

Evidently some LE guests on Nancy Grace were discussing the Coleman case and suggested there was enough evidence to arrest Coleman but they were waiting on more to ensure a "conviction." At least one radio commentator pointed out how ridiculously irresponsible that is considering the crime was a heinous triple murder. The very next day, Coleman was arrested. I think cops need to stop shooting off their mouths to the media in trying to make excuses and leave comments to the DA. And, you're right, the DA hasn't made any significant comments about the Young case in quite some time.

tiny paw-prints

05-21-2009, 06:29 PM

Me either!!
Especially after seeing how fast Coleman went down, huh?
Wow!!
Kat

Just driving by to say hello!

FYI, Coleman murdered his WIFE and 2 SONS in Columbia, ILLINOIS. That murder and investigation obviously had entirely different circumstances than the Young murder/investigation. I wonder if Coleman killed the family pet?

Don't worry Kat. Jason is going down! Probably for Life, huh?

"Wow!!" << your quote...

tiny paw-prints

05-21-2009, 06:40 PM

I am sure there are other cases, the Capano case took a long time, and the case metioned here the other day.

But, this case had the body and crime scene immediately .
I don't consider any murderers smart, but Jason can not just be that lucky, either.

JMO
Kat

Lucky? I sometimes wonder if Jason actually thought about killing Cassidy too. Since you brought up the Coleman case (upthread), he killed 3 times (his wife and 2 sons) with obviously no guilt after the first kill. Yes, I believe Cassidy is "lucky" to be alive.

I might add BTW, that Jason is definitely not lucky. IMVHO FWIW.

achristie

05-21-2009, 08:05 PM

Just driving by to say hello!

FYI, Coleman murdered his WIFE and 2 SONS in Columbia, ILLINOIS. That murder and investigation obviously had entirely different circumstances than the Young murder/investigation. I wonder if Coleman killed the family pet?

Don't worry Kat. Jason is going down! Probably for Life, huh?

"Wow!!" << your quote...
Hey Tiny. Nice to see you. I was out of the country for awhile and missed the whole Coleman thing. JY appears to have a small cadre of rabid cyber -supporters remaining ( maybe three?). I agree. He will be going down for life. When? Who knows!!!!!!

MOO Aggie

trucrime

05-21-2009, 09:09 PM

Lucky? I sometimes wonder if Jason actually thought about killing Cassidy too. Since you brought up the Coleman case (upthread), he killed 3 times (his wife and 2 sons) with obviously no guilt after the first kill. Yes, I believe Cassidy is "lucky" to be alive.

I might add BTW, that Jason is definitely not lucky. IMVHO FWIW.

Just a few days ago K4E also implied the same thing, that JLY was lucky. I also agree, Jason is NOT lucky at all. JMO.

reborn

05-21-2009, 10:40 PM

Hey Tiny. Nice to see you. I was out of the country for awhile and missed the whole Coleman thing. JY appears to have a small cadre of rabid cyber -supporters remaining ( maybe three?). I agree. He will be going down for life. When? Who knows!!!!!!

MOO Aggie

Rabid? You think because we don't see the evidence you do Jason is guilty. Just to let you know Jason hasn't be arrested for Michelle's murder . Must be rabit LE in Wake county. They don't see the evidence either.

Tia

05-21-2009, 10:48 PM

Just driving by to say hello!

FYI, Coleman murdered his WIFE and 2 SONS in Columbia, ILLINOIS. That murder and investigation obviously had entirely different circumstances than the Young murder/investigation. I wonder if Coleman killed the family pet?

Don't worry Kat. Jason is going down! Probably for Life, huh?

"Wow!!" << your quote...

Hello Tiny!!!

In another post you said you wondered if Jason thought about killing Cassidy too. I have often wondered the same thing.

She is the only lucky one here IMO, Jason "spared" her.

CarolinaStar

05-22-2009, 12:14 AM

Hello Tiny!!!

In another post you said you wondered if Jason thought about killing Cassidy too. I have often wondered the same thing.

She is the only lucky one here IMO, Jason "spared" her.
The only reasons,imo,that JY did not kill CY are as follows 1. He was too chicken to commit suicide which he would have to do if he did that atrocious act 2. it would mean an automatic death penalty and he wanted LWOP to torture the Fisher's by their knowing he was still breathing 3. Even his family would turn against him and he would not have a place to live while free. He needed their support$ for his own selfish reasons. Of course,jmvho!