Wed, April 22

[Lovethechild]

new thread for sandra!

[aproudmom]

So if the mother is telling the truth which why would she not she took that child to the ER with in 45 minutes..shame on the PD shame on DFC and anyone else that did not look into this further you do not have a child with those drugs in their system and do nothing just because she seemed fine according to Tony S. Tracy PIO..this is a outrage she should have been locked up and Little Sandra would be alive today..all of a sudden we hear arson, a child taken by MH and then later found with drugs in her system...I am outraged at the Police Dept..they messed this case up in the start and sadly there was nothing that could change that but this shows me what kind of PD they are running..do not try to tell me they could not do anything that is pure bull I hope to see law suits someone needs to be held accountable..this monster has went on with her criminal acts and nothing not one darn thing was done she walked the streets and ended up murdering a child..

http://cbs5.com/video

http://www.kcra.com/video/19245223/index.html

the mother said she even told them to look into MH and hate to say it but if I was this mother I would have been beating every door down to make sure someone paid for taking my child and then later to find they have drugs in their system...Please do not even try to tell me I can not lay blame on anyone cause I can and I am outraged a child is dead..and it should have never happened..:cursing:
All JMO and we all have one..
since when is a PIO a doctor he gets up and talks to the media and he thinks he can tell if a child is OK or not when they are told by trained Dr's she had D R U G S in her system...Please..shame on you..this is the same person who said they were searching for Sandra's father in Mexico when he was already in CA speaking to the LE and FBI..plz..

OK sorry done I am just so upset I feel this child could have been saved and yes I am angry and I have the right to be..thank goodness I do not live there..I would be screaming on some door steps about right now..

[aproudmom]

In a few minutes an interview with the Mother of the drugged girl on the Early Show

Also, Cindy & George :rolleyes:

ofgs dont even say those 2 names Please KK..LOL.
Has she been on I have not seen it yet if she has
o I see her

[aproudmom]

LOL, we're attached at the hip today K!!! :wub:

ok I thought I was losing my mind when I saw you and KK..LOL..had to make sure I was on the right thread..

[aproudmom]

No probable cause..has be LOST his mind...:angry:

[For Gabriel]

Saw the very quick interview. Learned nothing new. Your thoughts?

[aproudmom]

LOL

Mother blames LE for not following thru about her daughter. Could have saved Sandra :sad:

You know....between the fires and this drugging you would think someone would have caught on to her

I am outraged in the interview I watched earlier she said they took her child to the ER with in 45 minutes..and Tracy PD Tony S. said she was alittle tired but did not have PC to arrest anyone OFGS no matter what they should have check it out and found out why these drugs were in her system...I blame them also...we have a dead child that maybe could have been saved...she should have been behind bars IMO for her theft instead she was allowed to walk the streets..

[aproudmom]

Saw the very quick interview. Learned nothing new. Your thoughts?

Only that MH is more EVIL than before if that is possible..she was also being investigated for 2 arson fires..what was this person doing walking the streets....O wait she is a young SS teacher and a single mommy..:thumbdown:

[For Gabriel]

Only that MH is more EVIL than before if that is possible..she was also being investigated for 2 arson fires..what was this person doing walking the streets....O wait she is a young SS teacher and a single mommy..:thumbdown:

Just got wind of the fires! As much as I hate to say this, I'm afraid the idea that she was a SS teacher and preacher's granddaughter that she may have been overlooked.:cursing:

[For Gabriel]

Really scary isn't it :scared: The report I read about the fires it said that Tracey LE had been notified about it....who dropped the ball???

Sounds like alot of balls were dropped on this one...

[Texas48]

So if the mother is telling the truth which why would she not she took that child to the ER with in 45 minutes..shame on the PD shame on DFC and anyone else that did not look into this further you do not have a child with those drugs in their system and do nothing just because she seemed fine according to Tony S. Tracy PIO..this is a outrage she should have been locked up and Little Sandra would be alive today..all of a sudden we hear arson, a child taken by MH and then later found with drugs in her system...I am outraged at the Police Dept..they messed this case up in the start and sadly there was nothing that could change that but this shows me what kind of PD they are running..do not try to tell me they could not do anything that is pure bull I hope to see law suits someone needs to be held accountable..this monster has went on with her criminal acts and nothing not one darn thing was done she walked the streets and ended up murdering a child..

http://cbs5.com/video

http://www.kcra.com/video/19245223/index.html

the mother said she even told them to look into MH and hate to say it but if I was this mother I would have been beating every door down to make sure someone paid for taking my child and then later to find they have drugs in their system...Please do not even try to tell me I can not lay blame on anyone cause I can and I am outraged a child is dead..and it should have never happened..:cursing:
All JMO and we all have one..
since when is a PIO a doctor he gets up and talks to the media and he thinks he can tell if a child is OK or not when they are told by trained Dr's she had D R U G S in her system...Please..shame on you..this is the same person who said they were searching for Sandra's father in Mexico when he was already in CA speaking to the LE and FBI..plz..

OK sorry done I am just so upset I feel this child could have been saved and yes I am angry and I have the right to be..thank goodness I do not live there..I would be screaming on some door steps about right now..Ahhhhh,,it is safe to come in now? LOL..good morning mom and let me start off with ITA with your feelings and your post. I was sick when I heard this latest news. Sandra Cantu did NOT have to die IMO...Could not get any worse..what a shame..

[aproudmom]

Just got wind of the fires! As much as I hate to say this, I'm afraid the idea that she was a SS teacher and preacher's granddaughter that she may have been overlooked.:cursing:

yep you better believe it if it were a man or a mom with the smell of booze on her breathe then they would be behind bars..IMO

[Texas48]

No probable cause..has be LOST his mind...:angry:Yes..a long time ago IMO..

[Texas48]

Only that MH is more EVIL than before if that is possible..she was also being investigated for 2 arson fires..what was this person doing walking the streets....O wait she is a young SS teacher and a single mommy..:thumbdown:I am so tired of the media and their ..SS teacher young mother....bit. its almost like this just isn't possible cause shes a SS teacher..BS.I think they may discover much more than I want to even know about MH's past...sad..sad..sad.

[aproudmom]

Ahhhhh,,it is safe to come in now? LOL..good morning mom and let me start off with ITA with your feelings and your post. I was sick when I heard this latest news. Sandra Cantu did NOT have to die IMO...Could not get any worse..what a shame..

Good Morning Texas
the mom was just on the Early show..also..I am so outraged and feel the ball was dropped and a child is dead..we don't know for sure it would have saved Sandra but IMO this monster should have been locked up instead of walking the streets she had theft charges on her they allowed her to do a year program and they told a judge she was doing very very well...OK like we are suppose to believe that is true....she was being investigated on 2 arson fires took a child for over 4 hours mother takes her to the ER with in 45 minutes and they say she has drugs in her system and no one cared to check into this..ofgs I have heard it all..the mother says she told them to check into MH..

[aproudmom]

I am so tired of the media and their ..SS teacher young mother....bit. its almost like this just isn't possible cause shes a SS teacher..BS.I think they may discover much more than I want to even know about MH's past...sad..sad..sad.

I also have that feeling the only thing that we can hope is sweet Sandra was drugged and sleeping it is the only way I can even keep talking about this case..it sickens me..we keep hearing more and more about this person...I think perhaps a lot of children have been under her care and may not even remember anything..jmo..

I am hoping there is not to many children that even go to that church since they seem to not have to many members...

[aproudmom]

I see we have a women as the Judge..dino you here have you checked into her yet..lol..

Judge Linda Lofthus issued a gag order that directs all parties not to release “information or opinions concerning this case or any issue likely involved in this case.”

Lofthus has taken over from San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss, who recused himself this week.

Huckaby will appear at a second arraignment at 12:45 p.m. Friday in Stockton. She is charged with one count of murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, rape with a foreign object and lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14.

[dinojen]

Morning everyone... thanks for the new thread.

Haven't read back yet but will do soon as I get to work. Glad they decided not to exhume Sandra...although I still believe if they felt it was necessary it should of been allowed.

Watched the mother of the child that MH took to the park this morning on cbs5 just a few mins ago... think I'll pass on my opinion on this one. Something is just hinky to me..

One other thing that bothers me is .. when ever there is a high profile case like this is.. one minute they say they want to remain anonymous and the next day they appear on a morning new show.. NOT PICKING ON THE MOM.. just too many stories about this one event and how they have changed in a matter of days.. something just doesn't sit well for me..but that's just me. It's not like charging MH with this incident would make that big of a difference considering what she is already charged with.


Just curious on the GMA interview, was the mother's face obscured?



OT but just a reminder... also in Stockton in court next week on the 28th the final one out of four has to plea in the Tracy Teen Torture case. This one isn't even having a preliminary hearing.. it's going straight to trial.



Just listened to her interview (quick one) on cbs5 again... sounds like she is really peeved at TPD.. more than MH...

[dinojen]

I see we have a women as the Judge..dino you here have you checked into her yet..lol..

Judge Linda Lofthus issued a gag order that directs all parties not to release “information or opinions concerning this case or any issue likely involved in this case.”

Lofthus has taken over from San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss, who recused himself this week.

Huckaby will appear at a second arraignment at 12:45 p.m. Friday in Stockton. She is charged with one count of murder with three special circumstances: kidnapping, rape with a foreign object and lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14.

Yep googled the new judge, she was chosen by Gray Davis hmmm years ago. Prior to 1986 she was a PD in San Joaquin County... when I get to my office I'll post the info again.:wink:

[aproudmom]

Yep googled the new judge, she was chosen by Gray Davis hmmm years ago. Prior to 1986 she was a PD in San Joaquin County... when I get to my office I'll post the info again.:wink:

okey dokey dino..figured you had or would check into her..
the mother on the Early show was sitting sideways just like in the video I saw earlier...

[dinojen]

My mistake about referring the the GMA show.. it's the Early Show..
Here's a snippet.

And now, the mother of a 7-year-old girl tells reporter David Begnaud of CBS station KOVR in Sacramento, Calif., that Huckaby took the girl without permission to a nearby park in January, and may have drugged her.

All three families live in the same mobile home park in the Northern California town of Tracy.

The woman, identified only as Lora, asserts that police didn't do enough to investigate Huckaby after the January incident.

"I believe," Lora told Begnaud, "if Tracy police had looked into Melissa a lot more than they did, I believe Sandra might be alive. ... I kept telling them to look into Melissa Huckaby a little bit more."

Lora says Huckaby took her daughter to the park without permission and, when she came home, her daughter could barely walk.

Lora says her daughter didn't say Huckaby had given her any pills. The girl told Lora, "The only thing (Huckaby) got her was a water from Wendy's."

Lora now questions why authorities didn't take her claims against Huckaby seriously. "I'm just kind of disappointed in them that they didn't look into Melissa more than they did," Lora remarked to Begnaud.

Tracy Police Sgt. Tony Sheneman says there was "no probable cause to arrest anyone" at the time.

Lora says she wasn't surprised when Huckaby was arrested. "My gut feeling," she tells Begnaud, "tells me she did it."

And Lora believes her own daughter is lucky to be alive, saying, "I'm thankful she is OK, and my heart goes out to Sandra's family."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/22/earlyshow/main4961118.shtml



But see what is weird to me is... she says soon as she came home she was acting funny... well the cops were at the house when her daughter was returned... Lora says Huckaby took her daughter to the park without permission and, when she came home, her daughter could barely walk.

Then with her older daughter's interview.. somethings just don't add up... but I'm glad her daughter is okay and well. Charging MH with drugging this child isn't really going to change anything considering what she is facing.

Can you imagine the speculation in this case now that there is a GAG.. going to be a wild ride that's for sure.

Stockton courts are going to be busy... that have a boatload of nutcases on trial.

[dinojen]

Another link for you guys..then I gotta get moving... time for my Starbucks...:biggrin:

http://cbs13.com/local/Huckaby.Now.Tied.2.990830.html

The mother, who only wishes to be identified as Laura, says her seven-year-old daughter tested positive for a muscle relaxer after Melissa Huckaby took her to a local park for several hour. The day she was arrested, Huckaby told KPIX-TV in San Francisco that she had permission to take the girls, which Laura flatly denied.

"She didn't have permission," Laura said. "Nobody gave her permission to take my baby."

Laura called 911 after finding her daughter was missing when she returned home from work on January 17, and police let Huckaby go once she brought Laura's daughter home.

A doctor at a local hospital determined later that night that the young girl had been drugged with a muscle relaxant, and Laura was questioned by authorities about how the girl got the drugs.

"CPS took her from me that night because they thought I has something to do with it," Laura said.

Investigators didn't charge her, nor could they prove that Melissa Huckaby was responsible – too much time had passed between the girl's return and the doctor's finding.

[aproudmom]

Morning everyone... thanks for the new thread.

Haven't read back yet but will do soon as I get to work. Glad they decided not to exhume Sandra...although I still believe if they felt it was necessary it should of been allowed.

Watched the mother of the child that MH took to the park this morning on cbs5 just a few mins ago... think I'll pass on my opinion on this one. Something is just hinky to me..

One other thing that bothers me is .. when ever there is a high profile case like this is.. one minute they say they want to remain anonymous and the next day they appear on a morning new show.. NOT PICKING ON THE MOM.. just too many stories about this one event and how they have changed in a matter of days.. something just doesn't sit well for me..but that's just me. It's not like charging MH with this incident would make that big of a difference considering what she is already charged with.


Just curious on the GMA interview, was the mother's face obscured?



OT but just a reminder... also in Stockton in court next week on the 28th the final one out of four has to plea in the Tracy Teen Torture case. This one isn't even having a preliminary hearing.. it's going straight to trial.



Just listened to her interview (quick one) on cbs5 again... sounds like she is really peeved at TPD.. more than MH...

dino I had a feeling some were going to look at the mom in a different way..just about posted about it..for one I even blame her if she did not knock down doors to make sure someone found out how her child got drugs in her system..so a lot of people are on my not so happy list today...:tonguewag: not you though need you here to look up people..lol:biggrin:

[dinojen]

dino I had a feeling some were going to look at the mom in a different way..just about posted about it..for one I even blame her if she did not knock down doors to make sure someone found out how her child got drugs in her system..so a lot of people are on my not so happy list today...:tonguewag: not you though need you here to look up people..lol:biggrin:

Well you have to admit it is kind of weird no one reported her daughter missing till she got home from work... who was watching her daughter while she was at work.. why weren't they concerned where she was:confused:

[psbperu]

Personal opinion:

The mother of this child might have been wiser to not appear on television.

What is it with people that they can't wait to appear on a nationally aired program? They know the seriousness of the ongoing investigation.

I realize that the networks have staff that probably have hounded her about appearing but I believe she should have opted to keep quiet & let the justice system work.

I do wonder if it was a paid interview?

[aproudmom]

Well you have to admit it is kind of weird no one reported her daughter missing till she got home from work... who was watching her daughter while she was at work.. why weren't they concerned where she was:confused:

MH said the grandma knew she had her but the mother didnt since she was at work..and she said she had took her 3 times that week IIRC..so I am not sure..I am just angry that no one was looked into for this child being drugged..even if it were the mother or even the dog..someone should have been held accountable...imo

[dinojen]

MH said the grandma knew she had her but the mother didnt since she was at work..and she said she had took her 3 times that week IIRC..so I am not sure..I am just angry that no one was looked into for this child being drugged..even if it were the mother or even the dog..someone should have been held accountable...imo

Totally agree with you on this one... the little girl was let down... IMO

[dinojen]

Personal opinion:

The mother of this child might have been wiser to not appear on television.

What is it with people that they can't wait to appear on a nationally aired program? They know the seriousness of the ongoing investigation.

I realize that the networks have staff that probably have hounded her about appearing but I believe she should have opted to keep quiet & let the justice system work.

I do wonder if it was a paid interview?


Totally agree with you on this also... why is everyone always so quick to go national especially in such a serious case. I just don't get it. And then still want to remain anonymous... just doesn't make sense.

Off to Starbucks.. anyone want anything?:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

Personal opinion:

The mother of this child might have been wiser to not appear on television.

What is it with people that they can't wait to appear on a nationally aired program? They know the seriousness of the ongoing investigation.

I realize that the networks have staff that probably have hounded her about appearing but I believe she should have opted to keep quiet & let the justice system work.

I do wonder if it was a paid interview?

well they say they don't pay for interviews but some have paid the Anthony's for licensing fees for videos and pictures..and put them up in hotels and limos..but this women was in a mobile home so not sure she got paid for her interview...but not for sure..I do agree she should work with LE and keep hush hush for right now..but then again we have all of MH family and friends coming out saying she could never harm a child she loved them she was a mother hen..shall I go on..I think they all need to shut their pie holes and keep it for trial..jmo

[aproudmom]

Totally agree with you on this also... why is everyone always so quick to go national especially in such a serious case. I just don't get it. And then still want to remain anonymous... just doesn't make sense.

Off to Starbucks.. anyone want anything?:tonguewag:

sure grab me one while your there..lol

[aproudmom]

Totally agree with you on this one... the little girl was let down... IMO

If we knew it was a controlled release then she may have not had signs right away..some release so much through out the day..such as Klonopin, Paxil, an several others...I am not sure if they can actually say which one is in the system though...someone in my sons school brought pills in and passed them around..they called me and said they thought my son had took one..I was so angry I knew he would never do that so I called my Dr said I want a blood test took him straight to the ER took his blood and the next day they called nothing in his system. I knew my child and was not going to stop until I proved they were wrong when they tried to kick him out of school for a week..well the other 3 kids did have it in their system..but they could not tell the parents what drug it was only a controlled substance...I am glad I fought for my son he was 15 at the time..they had him labeled as a druggy..no way was I going to allow that..he wont even take a aspirin....so I guess my point is I am not sure they could tell what the drug was only that is was a benzidine or muscle relaxer and there are tons of them so perhaps the mom and MH were both on them and they could not prove what the drug was by name...Still angers me though that someone was not held accountable...those drugs are dangers for adults let alone children..

[dinojen]

Tuesday, October 7, 2003

Davis Names Linda Lofthus, Family Law Specialist, to San Joaquin Superior Court
By a MetNews Staff Writer

Gov. Gray Davis yesterday named Linda L. Lofthus to the San Joaquin Superior Court.

Lofthus, 50, is a certified family law specialist who has had her own law practice since 1990. From 1986 to 1990, she was an associate with the Stockton firm of Rishwain, Hakeem, Ellis, LaBeouf and Ganzer, where she handled civil litigation, personal injury, business cases, criminal defense, real estate transactions, and banking matters. Before that she was a San Joaquin deputy public defender.

Since 1987, Lofton has taught community property as an adjunct professor at Humphreys School of Law. She has also served as a Judge Pro Tempore in small claims cases and as a court-appointed arbitrator in personal injury matters.

She has served as chair of the San Joaquin County Bar Association Family Law Section.

Lofthus earned her undergraduate degree California State University at Chico and her law degree from New College of California School of Law. She fills the vacancy created by the retirement of Judge Rolleen McIlwrath.

http://www.metnews.com/articles/appt100703.htm

She's also married in 1981 to an atty Michael Norton, has kids..

Judge Linda Lofthus
The Grapevine April 14, 2006

Linda Lofthus is currently Judge, Superior Court of California, County of San Joaquin Felony/Misdemeanor Jury Trial Assignment, Dept. 33 Drug Court. She was appointed to the bench by Governor Gray Davis and has since handled 20 different courts within County of San Joaquin.
Before that Linda was in General Private Practice, handling civil and criminal matters. Her law career started in 1980 as Deputy Public Defender, County of San Joaquin Felony jury trials, preliminary hearings, Misdemeanor jury trials, Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity jury trials, mental health matters and Mentally Disordered Sex Offender trials.

Linda’s professional associations include the California Judges Association as an Executive Board Member, Member of Statewide Committee Regarding Independence of Judiciary and Liason to Family Law Advisory Committee. She is a Trustee for the Law Library of San Joaquin.

Linda’s extensive education includes; Certified Specialist, Family Law, State Bar of California,
Board of Legal Specialization; Member, State Bar of California; J.D., New College of California,
School of Law, San Francisco; B.A., CSU, Chico Major: Political Science.

Linda was married in 1981 to Michael Norton an attorney. She has three children Mackenzie, Molly and Chris. Linda is a Private Pilot, Single Engine Certified, 150, 152, and 172. She speaks
fluent Spanish, enjoys swimming, hiking, cycling, is an avid reader and film aficionado.


Sounds like a pretty smart lady... I like that she has handled trials of this type..

Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity jury trials, mental health matters and Mentally Disordered Sex Offender trials.

[dinojen]

sure grab me one while your there..lol

:wink:

Here ya go... Cinnamon Dolce Latte with extra whip.. figure you can use the extra whip .. will help with your investigating today...:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

:wink:

Here ya go... Cinnamon Dolce Latte with extra whip.. figure you can use the extra whip .. will help with your investigating today...:biggrin:

I just got done reading what you posted..she sounds like she is a good judge..thanks for the Latte I sure needed it..:wink:

[bkwits]

:wink:

Here ya go... Cinnamon Dolce Latte with extra whip.. figure you can use the extra whip .. will help with your investigating today...:biggrin:

If you are still at Starbux, could I have a soy milk latte, Grande size. No whip. Thx.

[dinojen]

If you are still at Starbux, could I have a soy milk latte, Grande size. No whip. Thx.

No prob.. place your orders... we're doing a Frappuccino run for the office.. everyone is complaining how hot it is... lol.

Got it.. no whip and make sure it's soy..

:thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

So if the mother is telling the truth which why would she not she took that child to the ER with in 45 minutes..shame on the PD shame on DFC and anyone else that did not look into this further you do not have a child with those drugs in their system and do nothing just because she seemed fine according to Tony S. Tracy PIO..this is a outrage she should have been locked up and Little Sandra would be alive today..all of a sudden we hear arson, a child taken by MH and then later found with drugs in her system...I am outraged at the Police Dept..they messed this case up in the start and sadly there was nothing that could change that but this shows me what kind of PD they are running..do not try to tell me they could not do anything that is pure bull I hope to see law suits someone needs to be held accountable..this monster has went on with her criminal acts and nothing not one darn thing was done she walked the streets and ended up murdering a child..

http://cbs5.com/video

http://www.kcra.com/video/19245223/index.html

the mother said she even told them to look into MH and hate to say it but if I was this mother I would have been beating every door down to make sure someone paid for taking my child and then later to find they have drugs in their system...Please do not even try to tell me I can not lay blame on anyone cause I can and I am outraged a child is dead..and it should have never happened..:cursing:
All JMO and we all have one..
since when is a PIO a doctor he gets up and talks to the media and he thinks he can tell if a child is OK or not when they are told by trained Dr's she had D R U G S in her system...Please..shame on you..this is the same person who said they were searching for Sandra's father in Mexico when he was already in CA speaking to the LE and FBI..plz..

OK sorry done I am just so upset I feel this child could have been saved and yes I am angry and I have the right to be..thank goodness I do not live there..I would be screaming on some door steps about right now..


I feel the same...this is an outrage....just how long has this woman been doing this?....She obviously used her daughter to lure other children....this woman is evil....not crazy....just plane evil....her tears are for herself being caught.....

I agree...this is a tragedy that never should have happened....the hospital is even to blame for not reporting this.....Why does something like this have to happen before some people wake up?

[Barbara fl.]

Please tell me this child was checked for abuse at the hospital... Sexual... :crying:

I wonder the same thing....if not, they need to take her now.......

[dinojen]

I wonder the same thing....if not, they need to take her now.......

I would think the hospital would of given her a complete exam plus her tox's screens..

Who knows CPS might of even asked for it being she was taken from the family home for the evening per the mother.:confused:

[AmndaRcknwth]

MH said the grandma knew she had her but the mother didnt since she was at work..and she said she had took her 3 times that week IIRC..so I am not sure..I am just angry that no one was looked into for this child being drugged..even if it were the mother or even the dog..someone should have been held accountable...imo

In this one, the Mom, Lora, was held accountable since CPS took the little girl that night.

I agree with her that the PD should have checked more into MH. Ahhh, hindsight, huh.

Also agree with those who say the Mom didn't have to appear in an interview... although I am glad to hear this side of the story.

How many kids may have been lethargic and sleepy after being around Melissa? I hope all the playdate parents are thinking about it.

[dinojen]

Amen to that, Psbperu, and not only that, Judge Loftus issued a gag order on this case Yesterday and this woman has first hand useful information regarding M. Huckaby, kidnapping, drugging and lives in the trailer park. Now apparently the Prosecution can't use her because she broke the gag order imposed. They had already said they may tie the two cases together.

This is getting way out of hand with the locals and the police.

MH has been connected with Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Drugs, Lewd Acts with a Minor, Theft and Arson.
Why oh why was she loose to begin with...ALL the crimes were in California. Where is the high tech record keeping and continuity we pay for ?!?!?!!?!?



Good post.. dummy me hadn't even thought of that... here there is a gag order placed yesterday I'm not sure of the time.. but yet there were interviews on last nights news and again this morning.. people need to zip it.. TPD has done pretty good about it.. they have let out very very little information.

[For Gabriel]

In this one, the Mom, Lora, was held accountable since CPS took the little girl that night.

I agree with her that the PD should have checked more into MH. Ahhh, hindsight, huh.

Also agree with those who say the Mom didn't have to appear in an interview... although I am glad to hear this side of the story.

How many kids may have been lethargic and sleepy after being around Melissa? I hope all the playdate parents are thinking about it.

ITA. I was sitting here thinking to myself how much do I really know about the parents my children play/hang out with? :(

[Ninja108]

my guess as to why it wasn't followed up on is the same reason many people (including on this board) have a hard believing MH committed this crime. She's a woman and she's a mother. Despite the stories we've seen over the years, many of us still have a hard time beliving women can commit evil acts. Do they commit crimes as often as men? No, most sex offenders and killers are men. But we are seeing more reporting of female teachers and mothers having relationships with underage boys and girls, some of them not even teenagers yet. Enough to the point that we should realize there are female predators out there. Could they have followed up? Oh my yes. Could it have saved Sandra? Maybe, maybe not, like in many of these cases hindsight is 20/20. But I'm betting you one of the reasons there was no follow up - Melissa is a mother, granddaughter of a pastor and a sunday school teacher. And people like that just don't do these things. How wrong they were.

[OneUp]

LOL

Mother blames LE for not following thru about her daughter. Could have saved Sandra :sad:

You know....between the fires and this drugging you would think someone would have caught on to her :cursing:
IDK...look at how many peolpe "out there" are still trying to convince themselves and others that MH didn't/ harm Sandra or couldn't have acted alone. When Things fly in the face of our own experience and logic, it is pretty easy to explain them away.
I was surprised yesterday to see that few people changed their minds about MH culpability in light of the drugging accusation...I expected more ephiphanies! Trust me, this woman acted alone in a pattern of behaviors that has it's roots in her past. I will not be surprised to find MORE people coming forward with concerns and stories.
IMO, the drugging case wasn't followed up on because it would be VERY hard to prove in court, because it was the first "known" incident, because the allegeed perp. IS a "low risk" for becoming an offender, and because the only "witness" to anything really was a small child. The evidence of the child being gone and the drugs is too easily argued as being from other sources/misunderstanding/even the parent trtying to frame MH in court. Sad that it would turn into a "he said, she said" situation with a childs word against a mother with no history of violent offense to children. Not good odds at all. :(
Too bad that such cases often go unprosecuted until they become a pattern or until "hard" evidence presents itself. Not only could Sandra have perhaps been saved...but countless others whose murders continue slipping through the cracks and vaguaries of the law for years while offending, re-offending, and honing their deadly predatory skills.
JMO.

[oodi]

It would be interesting to know why MH was ordered to go to mental health counselling as part of her probation. It would also be interesting to know what the psychiatrist/psychologist was able to glean from these sessions, and what their assessment was.

[dinojen]

OT.. but might explain why many cases don't get looked at.. Granted it's Contra Costa County, which is quite large.. but wow.. what message does this send out..

MARTINEZ (CBS 5 / KCBS / AP) ―

If you commit a misdemeanor in Contra Costa County, you may be off the hook.

The county's budget troubles are so severe that District Attorney Robert Kochly said Tuesday that the county won't prosecute certain misdemeanor crimes such as assaults, thefts and burglaries.

"It's absolutely fair to call it extremely drastic," said Kochly of the budget cuts that forced his decision.

Beginning May 4, Kochly said his office will also stop prosecuting people caught with small amount of drugs less than a gram of methamphetamine or cocaine, less than half a gram of heroin and fewer than five pills of ecstasy, OxyContin or Vicodin.

In a memo that has gone out to the county's police chiefs, Kochly requested that they not even submit many of these misdemeanor cases to his office, because they won't ever get to court.

Kochly said he was forced to "choose the lesser of certain evils" in deciding what cases to prosecute.

His office is facing a $1.9 million budget deficit and plans to lay off six deputy prosecutors within days, and 11 more by the end of the year.
:scared:

http://cbs5.com/crime/contra.costa.prosecutions.2.990750.html

[OneUp]

Good Morning Texas
the mom was just on the Early show..also..I am so outraged and feel the ball was dropped and a child is dead..we don't know for sure it would have saved Sandra but IMO this monster should have been locked up instead of walking the streets she had theft charges on her they allowed her to do a year program and they told a judge she was doing very very well...OK like we are suppose to believe that is true....she was being investigated on 2 arson fires took a child for over 4 hours mother takes her to the ER with in 45 minutes and they say she has drugs in her system and no one cared to check into this..ofgs I have heard it all..the mother says she told them to check into MH..
Yes...shouldn't those in charge of her sentencing program, etc. been aware of the allegations/investigation? This isn't NYC for Petes sake! i can't buy that not one officer could take the time to P/U the phone and suggest they haul her butt in for some re-evaluation. PLUS, IMO, knowing that she was already in the courts system for other offenses should have been a sign that escalation was possible...even given that she is female, they were nonviolent offenses she had been previously charged with, etc.
I'm still just sick, sick over this whole tragedy! I've seen it before, and I'll see it again...but suspects hiding in plain sight who weasel their way into positions of trust is just horrifying! I've intereacted with offenders masquerading as helpful and loving people. To a wary and educated eye, most of them are easy to spot...look for the ones who work to take extra responsibility, get into positions to be alone with children, take a special interest in a single child in a group, offer WAY more of their personal time than is average...and pay attention to your gut. I always do, and i have yet to be wrong in my instincts...maybe that is because i am an abuse survivor, IDk. i will guarantee you that if you EVER encounter a predator in your personal life, you will ercognize them from then on. few of them are as clever as they believe themselves to be...the Ted Bundy's of the world are rare...the Couey's and MH's are far more common.
Frightful stuff, all of it!...and people harass me for refusing to put my child into daycare and take "days off" to go pay around myself! Heck, I count myself VERY lucky that I don't HAVE to put her in daycare and work! All it takes is ONE poor judgement by a sitter or someone in their employ/home and there is another tragedy. No thanks! My child gets her socialization under my watchful eye at the playground , the church daycare ( me inthe room always!), and my own home. Is that overprotective? Maybe....But I will KNOW my child is safe at least for this portion of her life. I raised the 17 y.o the same way, and she isn't overly fearful or wary. She IS wise and more cautious and responsible with herself than her peers though.
IDK...*sigh* It's just a scary world lately!
JMO.

[Riverwalk!]

It would be interesting to know why MH was ordered to go to mental health counselling as part of her probation. It would also be interesting to know what the psychiatrist/psychologist was able to glean from these sessions, and what their assessment was.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

But in November 2008, Melissa was in court again on a charge of petty theft from a Target store. She pleaded no contest to two counts of petty theft, one of the counts filed because of her prior case in Southern California.

According to San Joaquin County Superior Court records, she was evaluated by the San Joaquin County Mental Health clinic and found competent to stand trial, but she was told that if she completed a one-year treatment program under Proposition 63, the 2004 Mental Health Services Act, she would be allowed to withdraw her plea.

[dinojen]

My understanding is that Huckaby had an Option of having mental health therapy OR Jail time, natually she opted for the therapy. Her menatl health treatment was VERY haphazard and she simply told the clinic or whatever they she was 'just fine; and no follow up was mentioned...Can you imagine ??

WHY didn't LE connect the DOTS on her....they had the info at their finger tips!
ARSON, THEFT, then Abduction of a neighbor's child?
The system FAILED. The Tracy police dropped the ball.

EVEN Melissa Huckaby in a Text Message said that she didn't attempt suicide, so it was a RUSE for sympathy.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/text.jpg

Many thanks Dino but of course Tracy is in another area with far less crime and MH's crimes weren't misdemeanors, Arson, Theft and Abduction are felonious as you know.


Very true Tracy is smaller I wouldn't say less crime though.. they have had their fair share of high profile cases just in the last six months.

While I realize the post I did was about misdemeanor's the point was the laying off of 17 prosecutor's by the end of the year.. will definately make a impact on any county. California is in sad shape budget wise and I think it affects all counties.. and does not exclude Tracy.. which is San Joaquin county..I'll have to check and see what their budget cuts to LE and the DA office looks like

I wouldn't live in that area if I was given a free house.. no thanks.. Modesto, Tracy or the surrounding areas.. nope not me... but that's jmo..

[OneUp]

I can't even find the right words to express how angered i am to see the mother of the child who was allegedly drugged being slapped around by some! What would anyone have had this woman do? she complained, reported, complained again and shared all the information she had. i don't imagine she is highly educated or even KNEW what her options were...I cannot see her having the wherewithall to hire an atty. to take the case civil, etc. I doubt she even could afford ( or knew to seek) counseling for her child. it seems she did the best anyone could expect of her given the circumstances and her own ability.
She went to the authorities for help. That is the limit of what she could do unless you would have her string Melissa from the tallest tree herself? I imagine she has watched her children carefully since then, and i would also bet that whoever was responsible for that child when MH took off with her isn't watching the little one any longer.
Unless you have been that parent, or a part of that system ( DCF and/or LE) you just cannot imagine how hard it is to follow up, how much your hands are tied, and how overtaxed some of these departments are.
IMO, this mother went to "the people in charge"...the people she thought of as being there to protect her child. When they did almost nothing, what recourse did she have beyond them?
AFA going on Natl. television..perhaps she has read all the ugly things being said about how she failed her child, etc. perhaps she was sick to death of hearing MH's family talk about her wonderful and loving nature...perhaps she wanted to open the eyes of other parents so they would be more careful too. Who knows, maybe she got a fat check!
I seriously doubt her speaking will have any impact on any charges though. She didn't witness anything other than her childs abscence, and behavior...both of which are independantly documented. her testimony would prob. ave never hit the stand anyway. The police report proves the child was gone, the drug test proves the prescence of the drug, and whomever allowed MH to take the child in the forst place isn't talking AFAIK.
JMO.
I STILL don't understand the overwhelming need to jump up and come up with explanations for MH and criticism for everyone else...only one person murdered and raped precious Sandra, and it is my belief that she will pay for that crime through a court of law and the justice system.
again, JMO.

[OneUp]

Arson is a very serious crime, TWO incidents of it with MH accused, even though little damage was done before the fires were controlled, the Tracy police KNEW about it ands the thefts and not much later the child abduction.....
They FAILED miserably IMO.Arson is also a crime that is quite often linked to escalation into more direct violent offenses.
We've all heard of the "triad" ( McDonald triad)...arson, bedwetting ( late stage), and animal torture.
I'd really like to peek at her MH eval too....I think she just lucked into a situation that allowed herself to continue to manipluate and fly under the radar.
JMO.

[lunchlady]

We are all vulnerable to wolves in sheep's clothing, For Gabriel. I heard of a woman who used to take her kids and the neighbor's kids with her when she went on a shop-lifting spree. I wouldn't be surprised if MH did that as well.

I've heard of mothers, nannies, and other caretakers including older siblings even using the younger children to help steal stuff. If the little kid gets caught the older person can just say that the kid didn't know any better and act contrite and everyone gets out of the store without an arrest. A stroller is a great place to hide stuff too.

With the record systems being what they are nowadays all these scrapes with the law that Huckaby had should have been all together and noticed by the local Tracy LE. OTOH many citizens have a little rap sheet of shoplifting, DUI, minor scuffles, moving violations, and so on. Some such people also have gun permits. A large percentage of the population is not squeaky clean, not even on paper, but they have jobs and families and get through their lives without causing significant harm.
The drugging episode should have been examined more closely though, IMO. Perhaps it was even though charges weren't filed and when Sandra went missing they thought of MH? I hope so.

[dinojen]

I very much agree Dinojen..but Tracy has had only about 3 murders in the last five years compared to the larger amount of murders in Contra Costa County.
Also, long before money got this tight, Police Communications were upgraded and computerised so that you could go to a suspect's name and find ALL they were charged with in California and Southern California said yesterday that Tracy was aware of the Arson allegations against MH and of course they knew about the thefts.

I live near the ocean above San Francisco and can't breathe in the central valley with all that fertiliser and pest spray on the crops. It's too hot too, so I'm with you....but my husband says the LAST place he would want to live is Oakland...I agree with him...murders galore !!

Was born in Oakland.. lived up in Piedmont.. I don't even go to Oakland anymore.. there were three murders last night I think it said on the news... Oakland isn't what it use to be.. sad to say.

Love being close to the ocean.. but I'm on the Carquinez straits..

I'm with your husband.. no way Jose.. ain't going to live down there.. My husband hates tatoo's.. and when he has to work in that area.. he always comments.. what is with these women down here.. everyone has tatoo's...

He's done work in the jail that Scott P. was taken too.. had some interesting conversations with the people there..

[darjeeling]

For those of you interested, Dr. Phil covering Sandra Cantu tonight at 8 pm Pacific.

[dinojen]

What a lovely area you live in, Dinojen. Yes, years ago, Oakland was more a cultural spot instead of Gangland USA. Working at San Quentin sounds hazardous. That structure is ancient. Maybe the roof will cave in on Death Row.

Right OneUp, the Arson should have been a RED FLAG.....TWICE even, right in Melissa Huckaby's room !!

I know LunchLady, lots of rap sheets but the Tracy Police were LAX with this dangerous woman...even if she had NEVER killed.

River walk, thanks for this VERY important link! Blast prop 63 !!

Working at San Quentin sounds hazardous. That structure is ancient. Maybe the roof will cave in on Death Row.



Thank god he hasn't worked there... I meant at the Modesto Jail.. remember the night they drove old Scotty through doors when they first arrested him with his bleached hair and shorts on... he's worked there doing OSHA work many times.. he says the stories are great..lol.

I would have a total freak out if they sent him to San Quentin.. :scared: (even though he was a cop in his younger years...lol).. that place is scarey...

[Spring]

Dr Phil's show today is all about Sandra. It just started on east coast.

[aproudmom]

Dr Phil on talking about Sandra

[aproudmom]

For those of you interested, Dr. Phil covering Sandra Cantu tonight at 8 pm Pacific.

it is on right now here 3pm
her mommy and aunt

[aproudmom]

Is there not a gag order how is Tony S giving interviews?

[dinojen]

Is there not a gag order how is Tony S giving interviews?

Is he on the show also? It's only 12:22 here

I was wondering the same thing.. how can these people be talking on shows when she put a gag order out yesterday:confused:

[dinojen]

Here's a link to Dr. Phil's show today...

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1268/

[aproudmom]

Is he on the show also? It's only 12:22 here

I was wondering the same thing.. how can these people be talking on shows when she put a gag order out yesterday:confused:

yes but did not say much her mom and aunt were on and now a bunch of experts talking...

[aproudmom]

Gotta love Star Jones she said stop calling her a SS teacher:thumbup:

[oodi]

Is he on the show also? It's only 12:22 here

I was wondering the same thing.. how can these people be talking on shows when she put a gag order out yesterday:confused:

I haven't seen the episode yet, but it was probably filmed prior to the gag order.

[aproudmom]

Only that MH is more EVIL than before if that is possible..she was also being investigated for 2 arson fires..what was this person doing walking the streets....O wait she is a young SS teacher and a single mommy..:thumbdown:

sorry to quote myself but just in case anyone feels I am putting single mothers down your WRONG I am one if you have a problem with me saying single mommy then feel free to PM me but do not take my post as if I look down on single parents..thank you wanted to clear that up..:rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

I haven't seen the episode yet, but it was probably filmed prior to the gag order.

I think it was taped

[aproudmom]

Please tell me this child was checked for abuse at the hospital... Sexual... :crying:

I heard a report she was but no proof of it..dont know

[For Gabriel]

Watched the show earlier this morning. My heart went out to the mom. She could barely speak, had her sister speak for her. :(

[aproudmom]

In this one, the Mom, Lora, was held accountable since CPS took the little girl that night.

I agree with her that the PD should have checked more into MH. Ahhh, hindsight, huh.

Also agree with those who say the Mom didn't have to appear in an interview... although I am glad to hear this side of the story.

How many kids may have been lethargic and sleepy after being around Melissa? I hope all the playdate parents are thinking about it.

It scares me to even think about it..

[Staceylee]

that picture of her crying on Cnn news is so annoying to me. Does she think anyone will feel sorry for her? She is disgusting....jmo

[aproudmom]

Watched the show earlier this morning. My heart went out to the mom. She could barely speak, had her sister speak for her. :(

she did a lot better today on Dr Phil..her SIL did have to talk about Sandra but she looked better than when we saw her that day..I thought she was going to pass out I felt so sorry for her..

[aproudmom]

that picture of her crying on Cnn news is so annoying to me. Does she think anyone will feel sorry for her? She is disgusting....jmo

ITA an some do feel sorry for her..NOT me:angry:

[aproudmom]

Me too because before MH was arrested, her Grandmother Lawless ( what a perfect maiden name for MH ) proudly boasted that Madison had so many neat toys that little girls like Sandra were over there ALL the time.

The Grandparents weren't always there either.

Everything connected to MH gives me the creeps.

my bolding
:thumbsup:lol I never even payed attention to the name..

[titanfan217]

I've been out of the loop lately, but has anyone in MH's family made additional comments.

[femquest]

I've been out of the loop lately, but has anyone in MH's family made additional comments.

Me, too, titan... Came to the boards (should be doin' dinner) and tried to read most of yesterday's and today's posts. I'm confused.

Upthread, it's been said Melissa took the other little girl to a park without permission. Other posts mention she took "the kids" -- Does that mean she took her own little girl, Madison, and also the neighbor's child, several times a week? Just once without permission, or other times as well?

Our kids only played with kids on our small block. And we all knew each other (and each other's business, sort of) extremely well. I would never have taken any neighbor's youngster ANYWHERE w/o permission; nor would any of the other Moms.

Maybe life in the mobile home park is just very different... do the folks there consider each neighbor as "family" or something. And sorry to say, the preacher's daughter and SS teacher probably got a pass on close scrutiny.

I saw Laura on the Early Show this morning. She was seen in "profile" only, but I don't remember if they mentioned ahead of time that this was by her request. She certainly would be recognizable to many, even in profile. I saw no reason she should not do the TV spot (but I didn't know about the gag order when I watched).

I wondered if she's in the middle of dental work or something... she sounded similar to folks who are dealing with new bridgework, partials, caps, etc.

I also wonder... is it NOT the responsibility of the news station to know whether her interview... would violate a gag order. They are the ones who report the news... I seem to remember very early on when the incident of a second little girl (and MH) was reported, that it was reported (verified???) that she was thought to have alcohol on her breath when she took her daughter to the E.R. that night. And who reported this? E.R. staff? Did that minimize the attention paid to the incident? I wonder. It should not have.

Whether it's true or false, I know I read it--so many others got that impression of "Laura." Maybe she felt embarrassed by that and wanted to stay out of the news... and was recently convinced she should do the brief interview we saw this morning. God knows in each publicized tragedy we see everyone the victim/perpetrator ever knew on some talk show or other before long.

But mostly I don't understand how police did not hone in on MH the moment she was connected to Laura's daughter. She kept going under the radar it seems. Confounding!

Anything that in hindsight points to MH's unusual interactions with children in the mobile home park should be highlighted, for the sake of all kids and parents who trust too much.

just sayin... and of course, imo.

[aproudmom]

I've been out of the loop lately, but has anyone in MH's family made additional comments.

I only saw them catching up to him The Pastor at the mailbox and he said once again no he had not been to see her but he would have a lot to say when this is over..don't know the link...I am thinking it is the same station that interviewed the mother of the other child...can not even think of it right now...if I find it I will post it for you..

[aproudmom]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/26411480#30343831
that was a nice house she was living in

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/26411480#30321980

[aproudmom]

Huckaby's Grandfather: "I'll Have A Lot To Say..."

Tracy church pastor Lane Lawless told CBS 13's David Begnaud he will have a lot to say when "this is all over." :confused:

producers interviewed Lawless outside his Clover Road Baptist Church. Lawless says he has not seen his granddaughter since her arrest and he has no plans to visit her in jail.

http://cbs13.com/video?id=52425@kovr.dayport.com
New Allegations Surface In Sandra Cantu Case

[Riverwalk!]

ITA an some do feel sorry for her..NOT me:angry:

Me either and I have no problem that she acted alone. She's just mean and evil, IMO
MOO

[aproudmom]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4961349n

Cantu Neighbor Blames Police
A Tracy, Calif. mother claims Melissa Huckaby may have drugged and kidnapped her own daughter but police took no action

[aproudmom]

A general update BUT most of it is already known.....

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19252649/index.html

It was actually Melissa who said it was silly that the grandmother said there was no permission to take the other little girl to the park because it was the third time she had taken her that week...MH also said the Mother had her cell number and she must have lost it....Sounds like rubbish to me.

This was a fairly early link....please check links threaD

thank you Fox

[aproudmom]

You have to wonder if Huckaby's grandparents knew about the arson and ALL the theft cases as well as the alleged abduction of the other little girl.

Sounds like her Grandfather is fed up with her and may be truly shocked about her history....I hope so because otherwise he shouyld have prevented her from mingling with children....I still think she was an unfit mother and wasn't examined as should have been.

So as Proudmom pointed out, she lived in a fairly nice house and drove a decent vehicle, what was so difficult about her life that she couldn't cope? She is said to have run up a lot of bills, some of them medical....but why is her child labeled as 'sickly'.....that's a term not normally used in this century of modern medicine.

I am wondering the same thing Fox did they know they had to you would think...not sure who's house that was but 2 arson fires..very odd..and like you I feel they did not look into that child good enough
I think we are both talking about the same thing..I pray they have checked her daughter very well. I am sorry I can not believe not one person in her family did not know all this was going on and if she had been my child I would have tried to get her help and take care of the child until she was more stable...

I know she had a lot of Dr bills but then again she had a lot of jewelry and credit cards...so her debt was way more than doctor bills..IMO..she was a ticking bomb

[aproudmom]

Me either and I have no problem that she acted alone. She's just mean and evil, IMO
MOO

me and you both she is pure evil and she should have been locked up and not walking the streets..imo or sent to a mental facility

[aproudmom]

Night everyone been a long day..have a wonderful evening:seeya:

:rose:In Loving Memory of Americas Angel

[OneUp]

me and you both she is pure evil and she should have been locked up and not walking the streets..imo or sent to a mental facilityMake room for me too! This is one female the def. chose to embrace evil and hedonism to the exclusion of moral and natural constraints! She turned her back on the law of man, of God ( if you will), and the law of nature that compels otherwise normal HUMAN females to be nurturing and protective of young. I'm sure someone will want to argue with part of that, they are welcome to disagree. The only nod I know of that she gave any law was her attempt to "pass" as long as possible to continue her acts....No real limits on her behavior, she did what she wanted to meet her own needs any time opportunity arose or could be orchestrated.
Mark my words, every vile act she has accused others of has been, and will likely be revealed to be, her own acts which she has attempted to blame on someone else. The arson is one example ( blamed on a roomate), the drugged child another ( blamed on her own mother)...how many more? This gal must be a decent liar, and if you've gone against one than you know they'll pull every string and angle in the book to come out the believeable party!
Has anyone else considered that perhaps the "kidnapping" allegation she leveled at her ex. was in fact yet ANOTHER child who MH took, and then somehow manipulated to make others think HE did it? That was my thought early on. Nothing provable perhaps just like this child,no charges, just suspicion and an odd situation with another parent/child? Just the knowledge that she would do so, and have others back it up might have scared him into backing away from fighting custody. Who would believe she did something like that before believeing he did? The word of a woman, a mother, against any man?
MH is proof to me that ANYONE can step from normal to evil, anyone can hide that face....not that I personally needed proof. I ate dinner every night for three + years with someone just as awful. To her credit ( I guess) that female DID have a background of some horrific abuse, but she also had the best help and support available to help her in her early teens....she chose to reject any ray of hope for the pleasure of her own wicked indulgence.
I can never understand those who believe that anyone is "born evil", God does not create an evil soul in the human being, children are born pure of soul...troubled with any one of human frailties but NOT evil. Evil is a concious choice that we make with the free will we are granted. What makes that evil appealing can come from a multitude of sources, but I firmly believe that real evil leaves a stain that never leaves the soul, because true evil destroys its "rightness" forever.
Not "bad" acts...even murder, but evil like this creature MH. Look into her her eyes in court and see what looks back at the television...even the tears are barely masking satisfaction and smugness over her own power. Nasty thing, and they can't lock her up fast enough for me!
JMO.

[titanfan217]

Thanks everyone.

With everything coming out, it's hard to imagine that her family didn't see any red flags.

[dinojen]

Melissa Huckaby, accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, has been linked to two house fires when she lived in Southern California in 2007.

Evelyn Lloyd, Huckaby’s roommate for eight months, said in a phone interview today from Southern California that police should look more closely at Huckaby’s involvement in the two fires that damaged the four-bedroom house they shared in La Palma.

Orange County Superior Court records show that Lloyd, 47, was charged with a felony count of arson on July 19, 2007. She spent 10 days in jail and was placed on suicide watch. The case against her was later dismissed.

Two television news stations, KCRA 3 and NBC 11, are reporting that this week they interviewed La Palma police, who said Huckaby is a suspect in one or both of the fires.

Citing a gag order placed on the murder case by San Joaquin County Judge Linda Lofthus, La Palma police Capt. Jim Enright declined to comment on the fires or Huckaby’s possible involvement. Huckaby is in jail and stands accused of Sandra’s murder, kidnapping and rape with a foreign object.

The first fire broke out on July 19 and the other was eight days later — while Lloyd was in jail.

Lloyd said she suspected Huckaby and also their landlord, Judy Minchey.


One day, Lloyd said, she and Huckaby talked about how the landlord insisted clothes had to be washed in Tide detergent. She said she’s sure Minchey overheard her suggest that Huckaby could buy cheaper soap and pour it into a Tide bottle.

Like Lloyd, Huckaby had a daughter living in the home. The two initially bonded as Lloyd showed her how to survive in what she described a “toxic” environment.

“When Melissa moved in, I befriended her,” Lloyd said. “I told her the landlord only has one motive (to make money). So I became a mother hen to her. I felt like I had to wrap my arms around her and protect her.”

Lloyd said this whole ordeal has turned her life upside down. Before this, she considered herself a good role model, a medical courier who was a veteran of Desert Storm. Now she said her reputation has been damaged.

“I want justification; I want to be vindicated on all levels,” Lloyd said. “I’m so numb about it because my life is finally getting back on track.”


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2426506-Huckaby+linked+to+SoCal+arson+case&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&article-Huckaby%20linked%20to%20SoCal%20arson%20case%20=&open=&


Sounds to me like the landlord is the nutcase.... :scared:

Lloyd estimated that 25 or 30 women lived in the house at different times but were driven out by Minchey’s odd rules and strict attitude.

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks everyone.

With everything coming out, it's hard to imagine that her family didn't see any red flags.

I have thought about this over the last few days (as other cases have broken) and I wonder how many family members would REALLY say anything too negative to the MEDIA when asked.

Just IMAGINE what the media would do with the slightest negative comment!
It would be like putting a lamb before the slaughter, with the way the media sensationalises things.

[Casspian]

Melissa Huckaby, accused of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, has been linked to two house fires when she lived in Southern California in 2007.

Evelyn Lloyd, Huckaby’s roommate for eight months, said in a phone interview today from Southern California that police should look more closely at Huckaby’s involvement in the two fires that damaged the four-bedroom house they shared in La Palma.

Orange County Superior Court records show that Lloyd, 47, was charged with a felony count of arson on July 19, 2007. She spent 10 days in jail and was placed on suicide watch. The case against her was later dismissed.

Two television news stations, KCRA 3 and NBC 11, are reporting that this week they interviewed La Palma police, who said Huckaby is a suspect in one or both of the fires.

Citing a gag order placed on the murder case by San Joaquin County Judge Linda Lofthus, La Palma police Capt. Jim Enright declined to comment on the fires or Huckaby’s possible involvement. Huckaby is in jail and stands accused of Sandra’s murder, kidnapping and rape with a foreign object.

The first fire broke out on July 19 and the other was eight days later — while Lloyd was in jail.

Lloyd said she suspected Huckaby and also their landlord, Judy Minchey.


One day, Lloyd said, she and Huckaby talked about how the landlord insisted clothes had to be washed in Tide detergent. She said she’s sure Minchey overheard her suggest that Huckaby could buy cheaper soap and pour it into a Tide bottle.

Like Lloyd, Huckaby had a daughter living in the home. The two initially bonded as Lloyd showed her how to survive in what she described a “toxic” environment.

“When Melissa moved in, I befriended her,” Lloyd said. “I told her the landlord only has one motive (to make money). So I became a mother hen to her. I felt like I had to wrap my arms around her and protect her.”

Lloyd said this whole ordeal has turned her life upside down. Before this, she considered herself a good role model, a medical courier who was a veteran of Desert Storm. Now she said her reputation has been damaged.

“I want justification; I want to be vindicated on all levels,” Lloyd said. “I’m so numb about it because my life is finally getting back on track.”


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2426506-Huckaby+linked+to+SoCal+arson+case&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&article-Huckaby%20linked%20to%20SoCal%20arson%20case%20=&open=&


Sounds to me like the landlord is the nutcase.... :scared:

Lloyd estimated that 25 or 30 women lived in the house at different times but were driven out by Minchey’s odd rules and strict attitude.

Thanks for that story - yes, that landlady sounds pretty nutsy and she lied to get the other woman convicted of the arson (or tried)!? Geez, I hope they are investigating her also.

[Adalena935]

LLoyd described the rental as having a "toxic" environment so she decided to keep living there for 12 years. um-hum; something wrong with that picture. Sounds like a halfway house for space cadets.

[Lovethechild]

all clothes must be washed in tide? LOL. Strict is right! :scared:

[oodi]

LLoyd described the rental as having a "toxic" environment so she decided to keep living there for 12 years. um-hum; something wrong with that picture. Sounds like a halfway house for space cadets.

And why was MH subjecting her daughter, who could only have been around 3 at the time to that kind of environment, instead of staying with her family who lived in the area??


I know... stupid question. :blushing:

[bhardy1956]

MH said the grandma knew she had her but the mother didnt since she was at work..and she said she had took her 3 times that week IIRC..so I am not sure..I am just angry that no one was looked into for this child being drugged..even if it were the mother or even the dog..someone should have been held accountable...imo

I agree! I am just getting on tonight and was reading about this new news. I think the PD of Tracy is going to be pulling some files out and do some investigating! I really hope!

[Mayasmimi]

Me either and I have no problem that she acted alone. She's just mean and evil, IMO
MOO


She obviously acted alone. For me....that a woman, a Mother did this? Just cannot wrap my head around it. Sorry if this offends anyone. Just cannot make sense of it in my own head.

This kind of crime is not typical of women who are not related to the deceased child. Just so sad.

[Lovethechild]

New thread for Sandra
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13035973#post13035973