April 21st discussion

[dinojen]

Was listening to csb5 this morning and they were discussing this case from Jan. again this morning. They interviewed the 18 year old sister of this little girl that went to the park with Huckaby, she said that her grandmother did not give her permission to take her but the 18 year old was speaking anonymously.

"She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she'd try to walk, she'd fall," said the girl's 18-year-old sister, who spoke to CBS 5 on the condition that her name not be used.

Police impouned a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby after arresting her for Cantu's murder.

The drugged girl and her family reside in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, which is where Huckaby and Cantu also lived.

In a phone interview with CBS 5 just hours before her arrest for Cantu's murder, Huckaby said she was questioned by police at the time of the incident involving the drugged girl.

Huckaby had claimed she had permission from the girl's grandmother to take her to the park and denied rumors of any wrongdoing.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html



Link to the video from csb5 to phone interview.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

[For Gabriel]

Was listening to csb5 this morning and they were discussing this case from Jan. again this morning. They interviewed the 18 year old sister of this little girl that went to the park with Huckaby, she said that her grandmother did not give her permission to take her but the 18 year old was speaking anonymously.

"She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she'd try to walk, she'd fall," said the girl's 18-year-old sister, who spoke to CBS 5 on the condition that her name not be used.

Police impouned a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby after arresting her for Cantu's murder.

The drugged girl and her family reside in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, which is where Huckaby and Cantu also lived.

In a phone interview with CBS 5 just hours before her arrest for Cantu's murder, Huckaby said she was questioned by police at the time of the incident involving the drugged girl.

Huckaby had claimed she had permission from the girl's grandmother to take her to the park and denied rumors of any wrongdoing.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html



Link to the video from csb5 to phone interview.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

Morning, Jen!
Just heard that same interview on GMA!

[dinojen]

Judge Van Oss has recused himself from the case... another one will be assigned.. just heard it on CBS5.


The San Joaquin County Superior Court's presiding judge issued a brief statement Monday, saying only that, "The Honorable Terrence Van Oss has recused himself." No explanation was given for the move.

Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus will take up the case Friday. That's when Melissa Huckaby's public defender, Sam Behar, is expected to ask to remove Sandra Cantu's remains from the Tracy Mausoleum for a second autopsy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/20/state/n220803D05.DTL

[dinojen]

STOCKTON - A judge assigned to oversee the trial of Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman charged with the kidnapping, rape and murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, recused himself from the case Monday without once hearing it.

San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus will take up the case Friday, when Huckaby's public defender is expected to ask for an order to remove Sandra's remains from the Tracy Mausoleum for a second autopsy

Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss was assigned to Huckaby's case last week, but he recused himself, according to a tersely worded letter the court published, a move that stems from an old conflict of interest with Huckaby's prosecutor.

In the court's letter, there is no explanation of Van Oss' decision, but Huckaby's prosecutor, San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa, said Van Oss has declined two of his other cases, because the judge is a witness in yet another death penalty case Testa is prosecuting.

"With regret, he recused himself," Testa said. "It was in an abundance of caution."

Superior Court Judge William J. Murray Jr. signed the letter addressed to both Testa and San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar, who represents Huckaby.

Testa said the two previous cases Van Oss declined to take also ended up before Lofthus. Testa's conflict with Van Oss arises from the death penalty case of 53-year-old Blufford Hayes Jr.

Van Oss - formerly a prosecutor - won a death sentence against Hayes for the 1980 murder of Stockton motel manager Vinod "Pete" Patel. Van Oss successfully argued that Hayes stole cigarettes and $23 from the man found bound with a wire coat hanger.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeal overturned the conviction in 2005 on grounds that Van Oss tainted the conviction when he made a secret deal with a key witness to win the death sentence against Hayes without telling the judge or jury.

(snippets from the article linked below)

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090421/A_NEWS/904210310

[BevAnn]

So the grandmother did not give MH permission to take the child to the park....so the child was "missing" for 3 1/2 hours, and grandmother didn't wonder where she was? How did MH get her to the park? Take her out of their yard?

I am VERY interested to hear more about this occurrence in January....


Still holding my opinion that MH may have acted alone, but others know what she did becuase she did it for them, for child porn reasons, for financial gain. That's my theory and I'm sticking with it! :wink:

Don't FBI have people that watch child porn videos and pics to look for certain children - like Sandra, or this girl from January - and see if they actually find those specific children in any images? God what an AWFUL job that would be. :sad: But what if they did indeed find say, pics of the girl from January - what a break that woul be.

All this is just my speculation.

[dinojen]

Good morning, all......why would the judge do that? Personal reasons?

Long story... posted a article about it above... I had been researching it this weekend.. I was surprised when they just reported it this morning on the news. Guess it broke last night.

Going to do some research on this new lady judge that got the case see what kind of stands she takes.:confused:

[dinojen]

So the grandmother did not give MH permission to take the child to the park....so the child was "missing" for 3 1/2 hours, and grandmother didn't wonder where she was? How did MH get her to the park? Take her out of their yard?

I am VERY interested to hear more about this occurrence in January....


Still holding my opinion that MH may have acted alone, but others know what she did becuase she did it for them, for child porn reasons, for financial gain. That's my theory and I'm sticking with it!

Don't FBI have people that watch child porn videos and pics to look for certain children - like Sandra, or this girl from January - and see if they actually find those specific children in any images? God what an AWFUL job that would be. :sad: But what if they did indeed find say, pics of the girl from January - what a break that woul be.

All this is just my speculation.

That's what the 18 year old sister is saying.. but that makes me wonder why no one looked for this little girl in the 3.5 hours she was gone...:confused: Wouldn't you wonder where your child was if you hadn't seen or heard her in 3.5 hours and you hadn't given anyone permission to take her anywhere:confused:

I always knew where my kids were if they weren't in our yard or who's house they went to play at.

[For Gabriel]

Does anybody know if the Pastor Lawless conducted services Sunday at his church? Did I read on yesterday's thread that the Dr. Phil show interviewed him as well? Lordy...is Dr. Phil gonna leave the sextuplet mom and do a show on this?:rolleyes:

[For Gabriel]

I may have to rethink my position on MH. Sounds to me like she was practising on this child, and really got her nerve up and took Sandra, doesn't it? That's why she got caught, because she was new at this? Not that she had been doing it for a long time.

I have a problem with the thoughts that she just out of the blue thought of harming Sandra. She planned out everything to the "nth" degree, imo. Poor Sandra never saw it coming....

[dinojen]

A little bit about the Judge taking over this case.... hmmm she use to be a PD in San Joaquin County...that was was back before 1986 though.

Tuesday, October 7, 2003
Davis Names Linda Lofthus, Family Law Specialist, to San Joaquin Superior Court
By a MetNews Staff Writer

Gov. Gray Davis yesterday named Linda L. Lofthus to the San Joaquin Superior Court.

Lofthus, 50, is a certified family law specialist who has had her own law practice since 1990. From 1986 to 1990, she was an associate with the Stockton firm of Rishwain, Hakeem, Ellis, LaBeouf and Ganzer, where she handled civil litigation, personal injury, business cases, criminal defense, real estate transactions, and banking matters. Before that she was a San Joaquin deputy public defender.

Since 1987, Lofton has taught community property as an adjunct professor at Humphreys School of Law. She has also served as a Judge Pro Tempore in small claims cases and as a court-appointed arbitrator in personal injury matters.

She has served as chair of the San Joaquin County Bar Association Family Law Section.

Lofthus earned her undergraduate degree California State University at Chico and her law degree from New College of California School of Law. She fills the vacancy created by the retirement of Judge Rolleen McIlwrath.

http://www.metnews.com/articles/appt100703.htm

[dinojen]

Does anybody know if the Pastor Lawless conducted services Sunday at his church? Did I read on yesterday's thread that the Dr. Phil show interviewed him as well? Lordy...is Dr. Phil gonna leave the sextuplet mom and do a show on this?:rolleyes:


Think this is where Dr. Phil's name came up...

Begnaud was on location in Tracy on Saturday working as a special correspondent for the Dr. Phil show when he and producers interviewed Lawless outside his Clover Road Baptist Church. Lawless says he has not seen his granddaughter since her arrest and he has no plans to visit her in jail.

http://cbs13.com/local/melissa.huckaby.grandfather.2.989048.html

Wonder why the grandfather is not planning visiting her.. I find his statements puzzling.... then again they say he is in poor health so maybe he just isn't up to it or would be to hard on him... just find his comments :confused: OR if he thinks she did it... just talking out loud..

[dinojen]

I thought one of the people on JVM last night stated that the mother of the child was actually at the park too

Didn't listen to JVM last night but just listened to the phone tape interview of the sister again as it's playing again on the news.. and they didn't say anything about the mother being with her...

Wonder how they plan on proving that the meds the girl had in her system were Huckaby's.. four mos. later... also what if the girl had gotten into her mother's meds.. just a thought.. remember the cops mentioned the mother having meds in her possession...

Think this one will be hard to prove..

[CNTM]

ABC just reporting a police report was filed for the missing girl and she was reported leaving with the grand daughter of another park resident in a purple vehicle.

[dinojen]

ITA, but the question remains in my mind......who helped her plan it? I still think she is covering for someone. IMO

Don't know about covering...but something just says she didn't pull this off by herself.. just seems odd out of the clear blue sky to murder a little girl and have those special circumstances tossed in also.

Originally I kind of thought maybe she was covering for her grandfather.. but that was just for a second.. but it crept back in with his comments about not visiting her in jail...

To many weird things in this case and I bet it will get even more weird as we go along... totally unbelievable... everyday something else.

[FrankieBones1]

I thought one of the people on JVM last night stated that the mother of the child was actually at the park too

Just how big is this park?

[dinojen]

Why can't the 7 year old just ID MH? Isn't that all it would take?

I'm sure she can... they might be talking to her now, being the TPD is now again saying they can't discuss the case. If MH did give her meds she could of disguised them also.. so the 7 year old didn't even know she had taken them... you know put them in a drink or ice cream.. I don't think she would just hand her a pill and say here take this.

Lots of questions...

[CNTM]

yes a purple Kia Sportage, the very description of the car that is registered to MH.

If she was doing this for or with anyone else, there is bound to be a paper or electronic trail. She's not that smart!!

[For Gabriel]

well for heaven's sake, IMO if there was ever a time in MH's life that she needed the support of her minister grandfather, I would think it would be now, and poor health or not, he would be rushing to the jail to comfort her, ya know?

ITA w/ this. Regardless of his current health issues, what bigger statement could he give his church family and community? If she wants him to visit, he should.

[For Gabriel]

I still feel there's something the grandfather is not saying or hiding. Just a feeling I have.

[For Gabriel]

I read the link where Melissa claimed to have been raped when she was younger. Three different sources share the same story that was told to them.

[Texas48]

Was listening to csb5 this morning and they were discussing this case from Jan. again this morning. They interviewed the 18 year old sister of this little girl that went to the park with Huckaby, she said that her grandmother did not give her permission to take her but the 18 year old was speaking anonymously.

"She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she'd try to walk, she'd fall," said the girl's 18-year-old sister, who spoke to CBS 5 on the condition that her name not be used.

Police impouned a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby after arresting her for Cantu's murder.

The drugged girl and her family reside in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park, which is where Huckaby and Cantu also lived.

In a phone interview with CBS 5 just hours before her arrest for Cantu's murder, Huckaby said she was questioned by police at the time of the incident involving the drugged girl.

Huckaby had claimed she had permission from the girl's grandmother to take her to the park and denied rumors of any wrongdoing.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html



Link to the video from csb5 to phone interview.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.htmlGood morning dino and ALL..TY for the links and all the info you graciously provide us..there is a post #112 by darcie ..posted this am at 8:21am..it was left on yesterdays thread..not brought over here..dino..if you can would you bring this over ..I don't know how to do that but it is worthy of reading..anyone that can help..

[Dunlurken]

Morning all. I just don't get female sexual predators, heck, I don't get male either. I'm going to google and see what I can find. I saw a report, can't remember where, but the majority of sex offenders are males. BRB.

[For Gabriel]

well he's in ok enough shape to be out and about riding in a car, so he should be well enough to visit. You can't be a minister and pick when you want to minster, I can imagine God is sending him a pretty strong message about his granddaughter right about now. I imagine God would be saying, Satan has her now, but you can reclaim her and bring her back to the Kingdom, it's never too late.......that sort of thing, God will not turn his back on MH and as His representative, neither should her grandfather. IMO

ITA. A Pastor is alot like a Dr. They are "on call" pretty much 24/7. I wonder if he held church this past Sunday?

[For Gabriel]

Oh, and it occurs to me that because of the religious aspect that is part of her everyday life, that she may have gone on a date and had wild and crazy sex and then regretted her actions and felt so guilty that to excuse them she had to convince herself and everyone else it was rape, IMO, just a thought

It's possible! If she was NOT raped, and went on to accuse this man and tell 3 different people that she was, makes me dislike her even more. Rape is nothing to joke about or pretend that it happen to you. If she lied about that, she is indeed one sick girl!

[Texas48]

I may have to rethink my position on MH. Sounds to me like she was practising on this child, and really got her nerve up and took Sandra, doesn't it? That's why she got caught, because she was new at this? Not that she had been doing it for a long time.morning madame..after hearing the info about the *other* child and the possiblilities I am woundering more and more IF there are yet more children that MAY have been subjected to MH..?? can you imagine the other parents in the MH Park made now to *wounder*..so scary and so sad and I believe it is going to get way worse with time..jmo

[StickyBeak]

ITA w/ this. Regardless of his current health issues, what bigger statement could he give his church family and community? If she wants him to visit, he should.


Diden't the Rev and his wife go away for the Easter weekend? To me that was odd, Easter being one of the biggest church days of the year.
He abandoned his church and went to a seminar of some sort IIRC
Can't be that sick..... Think he is just ignoring her.... or maybe she him.
JMO

[dinojen]

So now the girl got into her mother's meds? please that's sickening, stop blaming the victim. She can testify, that she was with Melissa and if she was given anything to drink, or eat, what she remembers. He mother took her to ER. If she was gone 4 hrs. and the mother wasn't home how did she get into her purse? :rolleyes:


You know what.. what is your problem.. I am not blaming any victim.. I tossing out stuff just as you do.. and you do some far out tossing.. IMO

Meds don't have to be in a purse.. they can be anywhere in the house..it was pure SPECULATION as you do so often that a child can get into meds.. I also stated.. that if MH did give her the meds it's going to be hard to prove it four months later. I'm sure she just didn't give her a pill and say here take this.. if she was drugged it was put into something IMO.

Tell you what.. since you think I'm such a big defender of MH why don't you just slide right by my posts and I'll do the same with yours..

Have a nice day..

[Dunlurken]

Well, what I found was humongous. Can't copy the link though. :rolleyes: Lots of female predators. JMO.

[dinojen]

Diden't the Rev and his wife go away for the Easter weekend? To me that was odd, Easter being one of the biggest church days of the year.
He abandoned his church and went to a seminar of some sort IIRC
Can't be that sick..... Think he is just ignoring her.... or maybe she him.
JMO

No they had services at their church on Easter Sunday.. I think you might be thinking of another family member that had been at some church retreat or meeting about the time MH was arrested or all this was going down. Can't remember which family member it was though.:confused:

[Texas48]

I thought one of the people on JVM last night stated that the mother of the child was actually at the park tooI watched JVM with only one eye open so I may be wrong but I didn't hear that the mom was there..Its on Tivo so I can go back and watch again..Thats why I save the shows..cause I am usually snoozing when JVM comes on..Tivo is great..for me. lol

[Dunlurken]

No they had services at their church on Easter Sunday.. I think you might be thinking of another family member that had been at some church retreat or meeting about the time MH was arrested or all this was going down. Can't remember which family member it was though.:confused:

Hey Lady! I've been trying to follow this as much as possible. I think the reason they poo-poo'd the January incident was because when the Mom took that child to the hospital there was alcohol on that woman's breath.

Do we know anything more about the Jan. incident? I thought I heard they were keeping that whole incident close to their vest. JMO.

[dinojen]

Good morning dino and ALL..TY for the links and all the info you graciously provide us..there is a post #112 by darcie ..posted this am at 8:21am..it was left on yesterdays thread..not brought over here..dino..if you can would you bring this over ..I don't know how to do that but it is worthy of reading..anyone that can help..


Here you go... Darcie's post from yesterday's thread posted this morning.

04-21-2009, 05:21 AM
darcie
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: ozarks
Posts: 2,234
Thirty two years ago, I was 7, and molested by two women of the church. It happens. Women are and can be just as brutal as men. Is it the norm? Probably not, but it is also a reality.

America needs to take their rose colored glasses off, and open their eyes.

MOO

ETA just wanted to say this not for sympathy and or attention, but for a check of reality, and peoples perspective of child abusers/molestors. They come in all sorts, sizes, shapes, sex, and color.
They are not always men.
darcie

[Texas48]

Didn't listen to JVM last night but just listened to the phone tape interview of the sister again as it's playing again on the news.. and they didn't say anything about the mother being with her...

Wonder how they plan on proving that the meds the girl had in her system were Huckaby's.. four mos. later... also what if the girl had gotten into her mother's meds.. just a thought.. remember the cops mentioned the mother having meds in her possession...

Think this one will be hard to prove..What..IF..Mh has the same drug in her home that was found in the child's system..? Is it possible MH had/has a RX for this drug? Should not be too hard to prove..check w/MH's doctor and see what..if any..RXs were written for MH..but then again MH could have gotten them from someone else..anything is possible at this point. jmo

[dinojen]

Hey Lady! I've been trying to follow this as much as possible. I think the reason they poo-poo'd the January incident was because when the Mom took that child to the hospital there was alcohol on that woman's breath.

Do we know anything more about the Jan. incident? I thought I heard they were keeping that whole incident close to their vest. JMO.

Hey Dunnie... yes they are, they don't comment on anything anymore. They were talking this case on LKL last night and interviewed the PD public relation guy... can't ever get his name right, the one doing all the interviews and he didn't say much of anything.

Hey even though the mom had alcohol on her breath and meds in her possession.. they still should have taken it more serious.. but I did read this morning that it was investigated then and found nothing that they could charge her with..

<snippet>

According to the police documents, a family who resides in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park reported at 5:17 p.m. that their seven-year-old daughter had been missing for four hours on the afternoon of January 17. Police arrived quickly and reportedly discovered at 5:31 p.m. that she was with Melissa Huckaby at the park.

When Huckaby found out the girl's family was worried, she returned the girl to her mother at about 5:43 p.m., and police soon left the scene without making any arrests.

About five hours later, the girl's mother took her to the hospital, and police were called back once a doctor determined that the girl was under the influence of Benzodiazepines, a muscle relaxant.

"Her speech was slurred, she could barely walk, she could barely stand," said the older sister of the young girl.

Police were not able to prove that Huckaby gave the girl the drugs due to the time that had passed before the girl was taken to the hospital.

On the day she was arrested, Huckaby confirmed with a CBS correspondent Joe Vasquez from San Francisco station KPIX-TV by phone that she had been with the girl during the time she was reported missing.

"I had taken my daughter and one of her friends to the park, which I had done for the third time that week," Huckaby said on April 10. "Her mother was, I guess, at work, and the grandmother had told the little girl that she could go to the park, which she does all the time. When the mother came home, she didn't know where she was."

Huckaby said she had given her cell phone number to the girl's mother, but says the mother told her she lost it.

http://cbs13.com/local/Huckaby.Now.Tied.2.989653.html

[Dunlurken]

I don't guess we've seen the toxicology reports on Sandra yet have we? That could be very telling, especially if she had the same meds in her system the little girl from the Jan. incident had. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

When Huckaby found out the girl's family was worried, she returned the girl to her mother at about 5:43 p.m., and police soon left the scene without making any arrests.

About five hours later, the girl's mother took her to the hospital, and police were called back once a doctor determined that the girl was under the influence of Benzodiazepines, a muscle relaxant.

"Her speech was slurred, she could barely walk, she could barely stand," said the older sister of the young girl.

Police were not able to prove that Huckaby gave the girl the drugs due to the time that had passed before the girl was taken to the hospital.

On the day she was arrested, Huckaby confirmed with a CBS correspondent Joe Vasquez from San Francisco station KPIX-TV by phone that she had been with the girl during the time she was reported missing.

"I had taken my daughter and one of her friends to the park, which I had done for the third time that week," Huckaby said on April 10. "Her mother was, I guess, at work, and the grandmother had told the little girl that she could go to the park, which she does all the time. When the mother came home, she didn't know where she was."

Huckaby said she had given her cell phone number to the girl's mother, but says the mother told her she lost it.

http://cbs13.com/local/Huckaby.Now.Tied.2.989653.html

snipping to address. Did you check out the psych evaluation/criminal thing on the links thread? It's on the last page. Looks like MH was going down hill fast. JMO.

How do you lose such an important cell phone number in a few hours? This is very confusing. So where was the mother when the grandmother said the child could go to the park? JMO.

[dinojen]

I don't guess we've seen the toxicology reports on Sandra yet have we? That could be very telling, especially if she had the same meds in her system the little girl from the Jan. incident had. JMO.

Nope everything is zipped... and have a feeling after Friday there will be a gag order in place.

Want to check out a little more about this new judge that has been handed the case.

Wonder how she feels about allowing a second autopsy being prior to 1986 she was a San Joaquin PD..:confused:

[Texas48]

Here you go... Darcie's post from yesterday's thread posted this morning.

04-21-2009, 05:21 AM
darcie
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: ozarks
Posts: 2,234
Thirty two years ago, I was 7, and molested by two women of the church. It happens. Women are and can be just as brutal as men. Is it the norm? Probably not, but it is also a reality.

America needs to take their rose colored glasses off, and open their eyes.

MOO

ETA just wanted to say this not for sympathy and or attention, but for a check of reality, and peoples perspective of child abusers/molestors. They come in all sorts, sizes, shapes, sex, and color.
They are not always men.
darcie


THANKS for helping an lady dino..lol..I just felt darcie's post was worth reading..TY again dino.

[CNTM]

5 hours is an awfully long time to wait if your young child is stumbling and unable to talk coherently. It seems the meds would be diminishing from her system by then.

[Texas48]

it was tpward the end of one of the segments if IRC and caught my ears because I wanted them to expand on that comment but they cut to commercial I believe and never got back to it, one of her guests said it
Okey dokey..I can re watch and let you know..I'm sure you heard right though..

[Dunlurken]

Nope everything is zipped... and have a feeling after Friday there will be a gag order in place.

Want to check out a little more about this new judge that has been handed the case.

Wonder how she feels about allowing a second autopsy being prior to 1986 she was a San Joaquin PD..:confused:
I hope they don't exhume Sandra's body. They should have everything they need already based on the medical examiner's report. You're right. Holding this one close to their vest.

Do you think insanity is a possible defense? I'm thinking not. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I've taken muscle relaxants, and there isn't a 5 hour lag time between when you take the med and when you stagger about. The girl was returned in acceptable condition to the Cantu home, and 5 hours later was staggering and slurring? She got those meds from her own house.

You're talking about the wrong child I think. Sandra never returned home. This is from the case back in January, I think.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I may have to rethink my position on MH. Sounds to me like she was practising on this child, and really got her nerve up and took Sandra, doesn't it? That's why she got caught, because she was new at this? Not that she had been doing it for a long time.


Sorry I'm jumping in without reading the whole thread, so this may be answered... but...
One of the effects of this kind of drug is amnesia of being drugged.

Any children Melissa came into contact with may have been drugged in slighter amounts, just enough. She may have kept the girl longer because she knew the drug hadn't worn off.

I think Melissa has been doing this kind of thing for more than 1 or 2 times.

Have we ever heard what kind of "sickly" her own child is? Not that I think she did this to Madison. Probably not, because sexual play with Madison would be incest.

I think Melissa would be able moreso to justify sexual encounters (in her mind they'd be encounters)(in reality molestation) with neighborhood kids.

[Texas48]

Hey Dunnie... yes they are, they don't comment on anything anymore. They were talking this case on LKL last night and interviewed the PD public relation guy... can't ever get his name right, the one doing all the interviews and he didn't say much of anything.

Hey even though the mom had alcohol on her breath and meds in her possession.. they still should have taken it more serious.. but I did read this morning that it was investigated then and found nothing that they could charge her with..

<snippet>

According to the police documents, a family who resides in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park reported at 5:17 p.m. that their seven-year-old daughter had been missing for four hours on the afternoon of January 17. Police arrived quickly and reportedly discovered at 5:31 p.m. that she was with Melissa Huckaby at the park.

When Huckaby found out the girl's family was worried, she returned the girl to her mother at about 5:43 p.m., and police soon left the scene without making any arrests.

About five hours later, the girl's mother took her to the hospital, and police were called back once a doctor determined that the girl was under the influence of Benzodiazepines, a muscle relaxant.

"Her speech was slurred, she could barely walk, she could barely stand," said the older sister of the young girl.

Police were not able to prove that Huckaby gave the girl the drugs due to the time that had passed before the girl was taken to the hospital.

On the day she was arrested, Huckaby confirmed with a CBS correspondent Joe Vasquez from San Francisco station KPIX-TV by phone that she had been with the girl during the time she was reported missing.

"I had taken my daughter and one of her friends to the park, which I had done for the third time that week," Huckaby said on April 10. "Her mother was, I guess, at work, and the grandmother had told the little girl that she could go to the park, which she does all the time. When the mother came home, she didn't know where she was."

Huckaby said she had given her cell phone number to the girl's mother, but says the mother told her she lost it.

http://cbs13.com/local/Huckaby.Now.Tied.2.989653.htmlInteresting to say the least..Maybe MH was experimenting w/the drug on this child..? Oh dear..it just seems like this case is going to be a *head shaker*...Makes me scared to think..What else is going to come out..KWIM?

[Dunlurken]

Sorry I'm jumping in without reading the whole thread, so this may be answered... but...
One of the effects of this kind of drug is amnesia of being drugged.

Any children Melissa came into contact with may have been drugged in slighter amounts, just enough. She may have kept the girl longer because she knew the drug hadn't worn off.

I think Melissa has been doing this kind of thing for more than 1 or 2 times.

Have we ever heard what kind of "sickly" her own child is? Not that I think she did this to Madison. Probably not, because sexual play with Madison would be incest.

I think Melissa would be able moreso to justify sexual encounters (in her mind they'd be encounters)(in reality molestation) with neighborhood kids.You make good points. Most predators do it outside their own home. Not to their own kids. Look at the "men" who make contact with 12 year olds, and have children of their own at home the same age. They break down in tears when asked "what would you do if this was your own child". Wired differently I guess. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I think this is Sandra. No one in the media has put a fine point on it, but isn't it roundly believed to be Sandra?

I thought it was a different child back in January because they keep saying the name/identity is being with held to protect the child and family. If it was the same "case" wouldn't they have said that? :confused:

Media is portraying it as two different children. At least the way I'm hearing it.

[dinojen]

You're talking about the wrong child I think. Sandra never returned home. This is from the case back in January, I think.

I think she is referring to the girl that MH took to the park back in Jan. She was gone four hours came back home and all seemed fine.. even when the cops were called... then five hours later... the family says she was slurring and staggering. Hadn't thought about it.. muscle relaxers I would think take affect pretty quickly and don't you think they would of noticed something long before five hours later... (again this is the little girl in Jan. that MH took to the park)

We don't know anything about Sandra's toxicology..

[dinojen]

I thought it was a different child back in January because they keep saying the name/identity is being with held to protect the child and family. If it was the same "case" wouldn't they have said that? :confused:

Media is portraying it as two different children. At least the way I'm hearing it.

Your right Dunnie... two seperate incidences.. The little girl in Jan. that went to the park with MH.. who they are now looking at being drugged by MH...

And the second of course is Sandra.. that we know nothing about, whether she was drugged or how she died.

[AmndaRcknwth]

No they had services at their church on Easter Sunday.. I think you might be thinking of another family member that had been at some church retreat or meeting about the time MH was arrested or all this was going down. Can't remember which family member it was though.:confused:


Lane and Connie attended a seminar at Alisal church in Salinas. Connie's brother is the pastor there.
They were home in Tracy for Easter, and attended service at noon at Clover Road Baptist Church. Lane did not deliver the sermon that day, so Brett preached that day.

Yes, the family knew at the time that the church may have been where Sandra was murdered, but did not cancel the service.

Brett alluded to it when they faced the press at theentrance to OEPark.

[TealMermaid]

I thought it was a different child back in January because they keep saying the name/identity is being with held to protect the child and family. If it was the same "case" wouldn't they have said that? :confused:

Media is portraying it as two different children. At least the way I'm hearing it.

Yes, it's a different child. I saw Nancy Grace talking about it last night.

The child's mother went to the police about the child being returned "drugged", and they were dismissive because she had alcohol on her breath.

[TealMermaid]

Was the mother on the show? Did they name the mother? I guess I've been wrong about the identity of the child with muscle relaxants.

No the mother wasn't on the show, and the name wasn't given. The police want to keep it under wraps for now, but it was a different child.

[Dunlurken]

Your right Dunnie... two seperate incidences.. The little girl in Jan. that went to the park with MH.. who they are now looking at being drugged by MH...

And the second of course is Sandra.. that we know nothing about, whether she was drugged or how she died.

Good, I thought I was losing my mind. Two separate incidents. Would indicate a pattern of molestation if the name of the other child ever comes out. All I know is that Huckaby was involved in that first incident in Jan. too. Thanks friend. JMO.

[dinojen]

Yes, it's a different child. I saw Nancy Grace talking about it last night.

The child's mother went to the police about the child being returned "drugged", and they were dismissive because she had alcohol on her breath.

But when the child was returned to the house at around 5:30 the police were there.. and they left without making any arrests.. so there couldn't of been any signs she was drugged.

It wasn't till 5 hours later that the mother took her to the hospital because of her slurring and staggering.

If she was drugged at the park in the hours she was with MH don't you think there would of been evidence of it long before the five hours later:confused: I would think if MH had given the little girl something the effects would of been obvious when she brought her home and definately had worn off by five hours later.. Just curious...

[AmndaRcknwth]

The 5 hours is a real puzzle. But.. what if the child fell asleep as soon as she got home? Woke up, was still under the influence?

[Dunlurken]

The media isn't naming her, that's for sure. But how many 7 year old girls (Sandra was 7 at the time) are great friends in the trailer park with Madison, are described the same as Sandra, and have a grandmother, a mother and a teenage sister all in the same home just like Sandra?

I guess I could be wrong. I thought this was Sandra all along.

Puts a whole different perspective on things doesn't it? JMO.

[TealMermaid]

Was the mother on the show? Did they name the mother? I guess I've been wrong about the identity of the child with muscle relaxants.

Here's an article on the drugged girl.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Sandra-Cantu-Killer-Now-Tied-To-Girl-Dru=1&blockID=271080&feedID=2674

[Dunlurken]

But when the child was returned to the house at around 5:30 the police were there.. and they left without making any arrests.. so there couldn't of been any signs she was drugged.

It wasn't till 5 hours later that the mother took her to the hospital because of her slurring and staggering.

If she was drugged at the park in the hours she was with MH don't you think there would of been evidence of it long before the five hours later:confused: I would think if MH had given the little girl something the effects would of been obvious when she brought her home and definately had worn off by five hours later.. Just curious...Here's a theory.... if the child, whomever she is, was drugged right before she was returned home, then the drugs would just have kicked in. We need more reports on that one as well. JMO.

Maybe MH chickened out at the last minute? Didn't molest that child.

[Dunlurken]

Here's an article on the drugged girl.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Sandra-Cantu-Killer-Now-Tied-To-Girl-Dru=1&blockID=271080&feedID=2674

Thank you for the link. Two separate incidents/children. Interesting the same purple Kia is involved though. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

she was practicing with the meds? She didn't have anywhere to take her, and balked at taking her to the church?

Crazy is as crazy does. Don't try to understand it unless you are crazy. LOL.

[For Gabriel]

I was told they held church there the very next Sunday, so I was under the impression that the church services jave been going on as normal, makes you wonder, tho, about a man that age that can only get together an appx 15 member church, IMO, surely the donations are not enough to keep the place going?

I have really BIG issues with this church. IF a murder took place at my church I would have a really hard time walking through the doors. Given that the membership is so low, why not close the doors for the time being and locate another place to gather?

[TealMermaid]

But when the child was returned to the house at around 5:30 the police were there.. and they left without making any arrests.. so there couldn't of been any signs she was drugged.

It wasn't till 5 hours later that the mother took her to the hospital because of her slurring and staggering.

If she was drugged at the park in the hours she was with MH don't you think there would of been evidence of it long before the five hours later:confused: I would think if MH had given the little girl something the effects would of been obvious when she brought her home and definately had worn off by five hours later.. Just curious...

Maybe Melissa gave her the drugs shortly before returning her. Some drugs take awhile to act or wear off. I don't know all the details about the time frame, but it sure looks suspicious!

I hope Madison hasn't had any recent "Sleep Overs." VERY SCARY!!!

[Dunlurken]

I guess not. I thought it was Sandra the whole time, and the names were redacted from the police report.

So. The child is still living who had drugs in her system. Perfect. Just ask her where they came from if they haven't already.

They probably have. But the meds could have been given in Kool Aid or some other drink. JMO. And the child doesn't even know where she got them. And if the mother of this Jan. child had the good sense to take her daughter to the emergency room, I would think she did not give them to her own daughter. JMO.

[For Gabriel]

I don't think she was staggering and slurring for 5 hours - the police were there when she was returned, and left shortly thereafter. She appeared fine when she got home - apparently.

Five hours later, she's staggering and slurring. I do think a follow up visit to the home by a social worker would have been in order to make sure they understand keeping meds out of the hands of a little kid.

Good point, Rachel! A SW should have been assigned to the home after she was taken to the hospital.

[For Gabriel]

question: have any actual church members come forward and spoke in MH's defense, or spoke of her grandfather being a really great pastor? With such a small membership, wonder if the church was really a cover for Satan worshippers, and Melissa had to procure a child for them for a sacrifice or something?

Black magic is practised all across this country, you know, could be why the grandfather is setting off hinkey meters, IMO, just thinking out loud

I have not heard of any members coming forward. I find it very disturbing that the members rolled into church on Sunday as if nothing had happen inside that building....

[Dunlurken]

Good point, Rachel! A SW should have been assigned to the home after she was taken to the hospital.

This isn't making any sense is it? The purple Kia from the Jan. incident. LE dropped the ball on this one, once again. JMO. If they had followed up, Sandra would be alive. That's why they're holding it close to the vest. Okay, now I understand. JMOA.

[TealMermaid]

well that didn't occur to me, but really, how do we know it WASN'T Sandra? No names have been given.......that would be really awful....if it was Sandra the first time, too........

Please READ the article.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Sandra-Cantu-Killer-Now-Tied-To-Girl-Dru=1&blockID=271080&feedID=2674

[Texas48]

You're talking about the wrong child I think. Sandra never returned home. This is from the case back in January, I think.thanks dunnie..I thought I had missed something really big when I read..returned to the *Cantu house*..I was going to go back and start from the beginning..lol

[Dunlurken]

I have not heard of any members coming forward. I find it very disturbing that the members rolled into church on Sunday as if nothing had happen inside that building....

Well, they did. JMO.

[Texas48]

No the mother wasn't on the show, and the name wasn't given. The police want to keep it under wraps for now, but it was a different child.I cannot see LE releasing this child's name to anyone right now..jmo

[Dunlurken]

There is a video - I believe it's in the links thread - of church members sticking up for the Lawless' couple - Lane and Connie. It's very heartfelt, and sincere. Many - including Melissa's exhusband and close high school friends- have staunchly stated she couldn't have done this.

Yeah, just like the Craig's list guy.... second year of medical school, wouldn't hurt a fly, about to be married in June. But they have him on video.

Same sort of thing. Church people don't always know who is sitting in the pew next to them. They may think they do, but obviously they don't. MH is one of those people. JMO.

[For Gabriel]

Well, they did. JMO.

Sad bunch......imo

[juliekan]

I hate to go so far off into "speculation land", but the child should have shown some sign of having had drugs on board much sooner than hours later. It apparently was not obvious to police when she was dropped off. So MH could have given them to her just before taking her home, hoping she wouldn't "tell" what happened to her, or if the little girl was living in a home where everyone knows that mommy or someone else in the family takes that little pill when stressed out, she could have gotten into the family medicine because she was so upset by something that happened.

Basically we need more facts to work with....

[For Gabriel]

and they tracked him with his blackberry!!!!!

His poor wife-to-be is completely shocked! Feel sorry for the girl. Sorry to O/T.

[dinojen]

Here's a link also to Larry's show last night..

He had JVM on, Dr. Wecht, Candace Delong, Dr. Hislop and SGT. TONY SHENEMAN, TRACY POLICE DEPARTMENT

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/20/lkl.01.html

[juliekan]

I read it the first time, and I read it again at your request. I admit I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, but where does it say it's a different child than Sandra?


Actually it doesn't. And Sandra has a sister that is a teenager, don't remember her exact age.(See 18 yo sister quoted in this article.) This article, though, makes it sound like it is another child:

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

oh and here's the video that goes with the article. reporters know who the family is, so they know it's not Sandra.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

[Dunlurken]

I hate to go so far off into "speculation land", but the child should have shown some sign of having had drugs on board much sooner than hours later. It apparently was not obvious to police when she was dropped off. So MH could have given them to her just before taking her home, hoping she wouldn't "tell" what happened to her, or if the little girl was living in a home where everyone knows that mommy or someone else in the family takes that little pill when stressed out, she could have gotten into the family medicine because she was so upset by something that happened.

Basically we need more facts to work with....
Yes, we need more facts. Recently my grand daughter had dental work done. They gave her the "drugs" one hour before doing the procedure based on her weight, etc. She's almost 4. They had to sit in the waiting room, etc waiting for the drugs to take affect. My point is this.... it does take time before the drugs go into your system fully.

And about 5 hours later, she was still totally loopy. Couldn't feel her face and said the strangest things. And was falling down as if drunk, now that I remember. We had to put her to bed so she wouldn't hurt herself.....

hummmmmmm. JMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

There is a video - I believe it's in the links thread - of church members sticking up for the Lawless' couple - Lane and Connie. It's very heartfelt, and sincere. Many - including Melissa's exhusband and close high school friends- have staunchly stated she couldn't have done this.

Here is Melissa talking to Joe Vazquez, at the end she talks about the drugging, but it is snipped. My guess is that it was snipped because it will be used in court.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=cliffhangervidnoending001.flv

Here is the Lawless' at their Salinas Alisal conference at Connie's brother's church. In this vid, they did not know Melissa was to be arrested that very same night...talked about Sandra, several church members speak as well.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=012-1.flv

Here is the text Melissa sent to Joe Vazquez on her way to be arrested:

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/text.jpg

[AmndaRcknwth]

Actually it doesn't. And Sandra has a sister that is a teenager, don't remember her exact age.(See 18 yo sister quoted in this article.) This article, though, makes it sound like it is another child:

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

oh and here's the video that goes with the article. reporters know who the family is, so they know it's not Sandra.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

Sandra has a sister Simone Mokol, age 20; a brother Tommy Fortin, age 15; a sister Miranda, age 11.

(no 18yo)

[Dunlurken]

Here is Melissa talking to Joe Vazquez, at the end she talks about the drugging, but it is snipped. My guess is that it was snipped because it will be used in court.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=cliffhangervidnoending001.flv

Here is the Lawless' at their Salinas Alisal conference at Connie's brother's church. In this vid, they did not know Melissa was to be arrested that very same night...talked about Sandra, several church members speak as well.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=012-1.flv

Here is the text Melissa sent to Joe Vazquez on her way to be arrested:

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/text.jpgBunch of sick individuals IMO. Reminds me of a "cult". JMO.

[nana6]

There is a video - I believe it's in the links thread - of church members sticking up for the Lawless' couple - Lane and Connie. It's very heartfelt, and sincere. Many - including Melissa's exhusband and close high school friends- have staunchly stated she couldn't have done this.

imo this is so much bigger than we know. I am thinking it is possible with all of the people who know MH sticking up for her, that maybe this is a porn ring and involves people we could not believe were in it. I know my mind is running away again. Just a thought. Maybe she is going down for them.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Or maybe she is just evil and really does this for her own pleasure. Alone.

[nana6]

is this board taking forever to load? I had this pro blem last night too. Have any of you had trouble?

[nana6]

Or maybe she is just evil and really does this for her own pleasure. Alone.

maybe we will see

[TealMermaid]

His poor wife-to-be is completely shocked! Feel sorry for the girl. Sorry to O/T.

She got off EASY! She could have married this guy, and had children with him. Very scary!

[Dunlurken]

is this board taking forever to load? I had this pro blem last night too. Have any of you had trouble?

Yes, it is taking 4-ever to reload.

I was going to quote someone else..... about the church/cult, but forgot what I was going to say. That's how long it is taking to reload. LOL.

[CNTM]

is this board taking forever to load? I had this pro blem last night too. Have any of you had trouble?

Yes it is taking forever Nana! Other sites fly by but IS is lagging today.

[Dunlurken]

Or maybe she is just evil and really does this for her own pleasure. Alone.

That's where we're going. Sociopath/evil who does know the difference between right and wrong. She teaches it in Bible School for God's sake.

Yep, she's a gonner. I noticed the snippet about the luggage being sold at a sale at the church. The lady Lawless, said, we have had no such sales. LOL.

Don't worry little Sandra..... we will find justice for you too. :rose:

[TealMermaid]

I read it the first time, and I read it again at your request. I admit I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, but where does it say it's a different child than Sandra?

They refer to "another young girl" in the article.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html

[TealMermaid]

Bunch of sick individuals IMO. Reminds me of a "cult". JMO.

I don't know if it's a "cult" or not.

It seems people can't wrap their brain around the fact that one of their own can be/do EVIl. Look at how Casey Anthony's parents are sticking by her, no matter how much evidence is against her, and all the LIES she told.

I think it's a defense mechanism. They just can't deal with reality.:confused:

[VC2]

well for heaven's sake, IMO if there was ever a time in MH's life that she needed the support of her minister grandfather, I would think it would be now, and poor health or not, he would be rushing to the jail to comfort her, ya know?

What i read of his churches doctrine, it is extreme and strict. Most pastors of a more mainstream doctrine would want to see their granddaughter but this is an unbelievably sick evil crime. I am not surprised he doesn't plan to visit her. He is also from a generation that doesn't really get mental illness, and as a pastor is more likely to believe in evil than that so doesn't even have as much of a way to understand it except she is evil.

I hope he changes his mind for his own sake but will not be surprised if he doesn't. After the first shock, acceptance may have crept in and he has explained it as well as he can to himself, an evil creature filled with the devil or something like that. Add the personal hurt and damage she has caused not just to his family but his church...yeah i understand it. Saying it was an accident probably was what did it for him. I could have been (in that she did not plan to murder) but the other acts..i cant see THIS pastor accepting them

imo

[VC2]

ITA. A Pastor is alot like a Dr. They are "on call" pretty much 24/7. I wonder if he held church this past Sunday?

doctors rarely if ever treat their own family. She has destroyed his, and probably his church which i imagine is even more important to him, desecrated it with an act of horror. If it was a stranger he probably could minister to her but it isn't.

imo

[Dunlurken]

doctors rarely if ever treat their own family. She has destroyed his, and probably his church which i imagine is even more important to him, desecrated it with an act of horror. If it was a stranger he probably could minister to her but it isn't.

imo

That's not true. I can "minister" to anyone I want to. Guess it's all semantics. I'm not an ordained minister, but I can still teach my perception of the supreme being.

Doctors treat themselves also. Remember the old saying, "Doctor, heal thyself?". JMO.

[For Gabriel]

doctors rarely if ever treat their own family. She has destroyed his, and probably his church which i imagine is even more important to him, desecrated it with an act of horror. If it was a stranger he probably could minister to her but it isn't.

imo

It's more than a stranger, it's his own granddaughter. Doesn't she need him now? My opinion of his church is that it should be leveled. If he wants to start another church, start it in a different community.

[VC2]

Nope everything is zipped... and have a feeling after Friday there will be a gag order in place.

Want to check out a little more about this new judge that has been handed the case.

Wonder how she feels about allowing a second autopsy being prior to 1986 she was a San Joaquin PD..:confused:

i think it should be allowed as sad as it is and disturbing for family. Sandra was buried almost immediately after Huckaby got her PD. They didn't have a chance to be there for the autopsy, or ask for their own examination at the time. IMO she probably should have been kept available until a PD was on board, officially appointed and had a few days to get her teeth into the case. Given the charges of forcible rape with an instrument, the condition of her genitals may show something important but that can be interpreted for the prosecution or the defense. An independent ME would be the right thing in this case and will stop an appeal based on no permission to examine the body.

This shouldn't even have been a question. Once Huckaby was arrested the DA should have held the body available for the defense.

IMO

p.s. not defending MH here, but realistically i do not thing it is fair to have her rely on a state ME's determination when there was some decomposition in the first place, so it can't have been cut and dried.

[psbperu]

They refer to "another young girl" in the article.

http://cbs5.com/crime/Melissa.Huckaby.drugged.2.989742.html



TealMermaid:

Thanks for the link & thanks to the other posters linking to articles about a different child who was drugged etc.

Facts are facts. Speculation is not a fact, rumor is not a fact...do appreciate you posting the link & being on top of this.

As far as LE protecting the identity of the child & the family..a wise decision. This is still an ongoing investigation.

[psbperu]

doctors rarely if ever treat their own family. She has destroyed his, and probably his church which i imagine is even more important to him, desecrated it with an act of horror. If it was a stranger he probably could minister to her but it isn't.

imo

There have been many studies about Doctors treating their own family...it is not rare...it is common for them to treat family members.

Here is a recent one:

http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/04/13/prca0413.htm

[amb40]

TealMermaid:

Thanks for the link & thanks to the other posters linking to articles about a different child who was drugged etc.

Facts are facts. Speculation is not a fact, rumor is not a fact...do appreciate you posting the link & being on top of this.

As far as LE protecting the identity of the child & the family..a wise decision. This is still an ongoing investigation.

Didn't they have enough proof it was this woman?

[KittyMom]

It's more than a stranger, it's his own granddaughter. Doesn't she need him now? My opinion of his church is that it should be leveled. If he wants to start another church, start it in a different community.

So you're blaming this grandfather and his church? Is that fair? I've seen nothing that proves he or his church knew about what she was planning. What about all the murders that occur in homes across this country...should those be leveled? Murders occur in schools and businesses as well...should those be leveled too? I understand the passion with which you speak but these things have to be looked at practically, not with a knee-jerk reaction.

[Thurs-Child]

This was posted by aproudman yesterday. Hope I did this right. I'm new to posting.

Huckaby's Grandfather: "I'll Have A Lot To Say..."
http://cbs13.com/crime/melissa.hucka....2.989048.html

Tracy church pastor Lane Lawless told CBS 13's David Begnaud he will have a lot to say when "this is all over."

Lawless was referring to the saga surrounding his granddaughter Melissa Huckaby. The 28-year-old mother is charged with kidnapping, raping, and murdering her daughter's playmate Sandra Cantu.

Begnaud was on location in Tracy on Saturday working as a special correspondent for the Dr. Phil show when he and producers interviewed Lawless outside his Clover Road Baptist Church. Lawless says he has not seen his granddaughter since her arrest and he has no plans to visit her in jail.


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[Thurs-Child]

Correction

It was posted by aproudmom yesterday. Sorry aproudmom about my mistake.:blushing:

[For Gabriel]

So you're blaming this grandfather and his church? Is that fair? I've seen nothing that proves he or his church knew about what she was planning. What about all the murders that occur in homes across this country...should those be leveled? Murders occur in schools and businesses as well...should those be leveled too? I understand the passion with which you speak but these things have to be looked at practically, not with a knee-jerk reaction.

I do not know enough about the grandfather to he had anything to do with it, I do have my thoughts. Did I say he or the church knew what she was planning? No. This church is nothing more than a place where an innocent child drew her last breath at the hands of a monster. If he wants to start another church up, then do so in another community. This one should be destroyed.

[psbperu]

Didn't they have enough proof it was this woman?

I dunno about the proof that "it was this woman", LE sure isn't saying anything perhaps they are waiting for more people/children to come forward or they don't have definitive proof of MH's involvement with this other child?


So far a puzzlement.

[psbperu]

So you're blaming this grandfather and his church? Is that fair? I've seen nothing that proves he or his church knew about what she was planning. What about all the murders that occur in homes across this country...should those be leveled? Murders occur in schools and businesses as well...should those be leveled too? I understand the passion with which you speak but these things have to be looked at practically, not with a knee-jerk reaction.


ITA:

Heinous crimes occur in many places. At this point no charges have been leveled against the grandfather or his parishoners. All I have seen is rumor, speculation & supposition.

[Riverwalk!]

Huckaby allegedly drugged ANOTHER girl. Watch the video

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

[aproudmom]

Judge Van Oss has recused himself from the case... another one will be assigned.. just heard it on CBS5.


The San Joaquin County Superior Court's presiding judge issued a brief statement Monday, saying only that, "The Honorable Terrence Van Oss has recused himself." No explanation was given for the move.

Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus will take up the case Friday. That's when Melissa Huckaby's public defender, Sam Behar, is expected to ask to remove Sandra Cantu's remains from the Tracy Mausoleum for a second autopsy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/20/state/n220803D05.DTL

wow he did

[aproudmom]

Huckaby allegedly drugged ANOTHER girl. Watch the video

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

fgs this could have saved Sandra if they had looked more into this case..she is a sick evil person IMO

[aproudmom]

Correction

It was posted by aproudmom yesterday. Sorry aproudmom about my mistake.:blushing:

Hi and welcome to the forum

[aproudmom]

well that didn't occur to me, but really, how do we know it WASN'T Sandra? No names have been given.......that would be really awful....if it was Sandra the first time, too........

It says in the video the sister of this other child if they had looked into this Sandra could be alive..I do not think it was Sandra

[aproudmom]

No they had services at their church on Easter Sunday.. I think you might be thinking of another family member that had been at some church retreat or meeting about the time MH was arrested or all this was going down. Can't remember which family member it was though.:confused:

Not sure what day or night it was but they did go to church one time since she has been arrested it was CL brothers church. It is on a video link IIRC..was not Easter do know that much cause they allowed the media to come in during the service and showed them around just would not allow them to tape or go into the Sunday school room...

[oodi]

It says in the video the sister of this other child if they had looked into this Sandra could be alive..I do not think it was Sandra

Sandra was definitely not the child taken in January.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

As per the article that appears below the video:

"On Monday, police linked the 8-year old's accused killer with another child who went missing. "

and

"Ten weeks before Sandra Cantu was abducted and murdered, another little girl went missing from the mobile home park, only to be found hours later -- according to the girl's family -- in the company of Melissa Huckaby. "

They don't give the other girl's name (and they shouldn't) but they clearly state is was a different child.

[aproudmom]

Sandra was definitely not the child taken in January.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

As per the article that appears below the video:

"On Monday, police linked the 8-year old's accused killer with another child who went missing. "

and

"Ten weeks before Sandra Cantu was abducted and murdered, another little girl went missing from the mobile home park, only to be found hours later -- according to the girl's family -- in the company of Melissa Huckaby. "

They don't give the other girl's name (and they shouldn't) but they clearly state is was a different child.

yeah I knew it was not but some seemed to think it could have been so was just saying I knew it was not Sandra they were talking about..thanks oodi:biggrin:

[oodi]

yeah I knew it was not but some seemed to think it could have been so was just saying I knew it was not Sandra they were talking about..thanks oodi:biggrin:

My pleasure aproudmom! Hopefully this will clear it up for those who were still confused, so we're all on the same page.

[dinojen]

My pleasure aproudmom! Hopefully this will clear it up for those who were still confused, so we're all on the same page.

Time frame in this whole thing is kind of weird though.. if the little girl was missing for say four hours... wouldn't you think she would show some effect of having been giving drugs when she was returned home instead of almost five hours later when the mother took her to the hospital and reported it to the police.

When the police were at the house the first time they said everything looked fine and no arrests were made.

Something is just weird.

[omsk99]

I read the link where Melissa claimed to have been raped when she was younger. Three different sources share the same story that was told to them.

Sorry if this has been answered, I am still catching up with the posts.

You are correct, three of MH's friends, who don't know each other, told the same story that MH had told them she had been raped by a police officer in Orange County, CA when she was 18, just out of high school. However, this officer has been cleared of rape allegations. Wonder if that was her way of getting attention? :confused:

[Anakerie]

Time frame in this whole thing is kind of weird though.. if the little girl was missing for say four hours... wouldn't you think she would show some effect of having been giving drugs when she was returned home instead of almost five hours later when the mother took her to the hospital and reported it to the police.

When the police were at the house the first time they said everything looked fine and no arrests were made.

Something is just weird.
Could someone please clue me in to where this "5 hour" gap in time report came from? I have been reading the Tracy newspaper as well as listening to the Sacramento TV stations and I'm not hearing about the 5 hours between the girl's return and the hospital visit.

From what I've heard and read, the child was missing for 4 hours, Huckaby returned her and an hour or so later the child was at the hospital.

Also, the drugs that are being reported are not just "muscle relaxants". I googled benzodiazepines and found a very informative site:
http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/benzos.asp

From that site:Benzodiazepines are among the most commonly prescribed depressant medications in the United States today. More than 15 different types of benzodiazepine medications exist to treat a wide array of both psychological and physical maladies based on dosage and implications. To be characterized as such, each benzodiazepine displays one or more of the following drug actions: anxiety relief, hypnotic, muscle relaxant, anti-convulsant, or an amnesiatic (mild memory-loss inducer). Due to their sedative properties, benzodiazepines have a high potential for abuse, especially when used with other depressants such as alcohol or opiates. Benzodiazepines are classified as Schedule IV in the Controlled Substances Act.
Commonly prescribed benzodiazepines include Xanax© (alprazolam), Librium© (chlordiazepoxide), Valium© (diazepam), and Ativan© (lorazepam). Another benzodiazepine that has been the focus of a great deal of media attention is flunitrazepam, trade name Rohypnol©, which is known widely as "the date-rape drug" due to its involvement in many sexual assault cases in recent years.

ETA: Ok, now I understand the 5 hour time gap thing.. I just heard JVM talking about it on HLN... I'd like to hear about that time gap from someone OTHER than JVM or NG... I've heard way too many wrong statements from the both of them in the past. :rolleyes:

[omsk99]

fgs this could have saved Sandra if they had looked more into this case..she is a sick evil person IMO

ITA! I'd like to know why she wasn't charged with drugging a minor. I would imagine she didn't get a chance to do anything "bad" to that little girl, but something should have been done to her for giving valium/muscle relaxants to a child. Even if the family didn't press any charges (which I find odd, too). JMO

[omsk99]

Huckaby admits it was her with the other little girl:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/19236187/detail.html

Thank you for the link, but I didn't see anything about MH admitting it was her. I did hear reports that she had admitted as much to the journalist who interviewed her just prior to the arrest (Jennifer W., IIRC). Is it somewhere else in this link, not the article itself? TIA

[oodi]

Time frame in this whole thing is kind of weird though.. if the little girl was missing for say four hours... wouldn't you think she would show some effect of having been giving drugs when she was returned home instead of almost five hours later when the mother took her to the hospital and reported it to the police.

When the police were at the house the first time they said everything looked fine and no arrests were made.

Something is just weird.

I agree... something isn't right. And maybe that is exactly why LE didn't pursue it any further than they did at the time. One article said that the mother of this other child had alcohol on her breath, and also was taking some meds. Not very wise to mix booze and meds. There's been no mention of whether or not they checked the mother's alcohol level at the time... that may or may not have played a factor in things. But it's not wise to drink and then drive your kid to the hospital, even if you're within the legal limit. JMO

The older sister of this other child now wants to blame LE for not investigating further, etc. However, maybe if her mother had been stone cold sober, she would have been more "credible" and they would have had more to go on.

[Riverwalk!]

This video has the police report.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6771583

I tried to take a screenshot and failed!! But I kept running it back and forth to read the redacted report.

22:00 hour - LE at the ER. Refers to earlier incident and tested positive for Benzo.

Incident first reported late in the afternoon, around 5:30 or so. Tracy Hospital is close, so they could have gotten the child there by 6 pm or so. With a child, I would "guess" that she would have been seen soon, examined, vital signs, questions, etc and IMO that would take some time.

Question: How long does it take for a tox screen to come back? Do they first screen for benzo or keep screening 'til the find the drug? Blood test or urine test?

[dinojen]

I agree... something isn't right. And maybe that is exactly why LE didn't pursue it any further than they did at the time. One article said that the mother of this other child had alcohol on her breath, and also was taking some meds. Not very wise to mix booze and meds. There's been no mention of whether or not they checked the mother's alcohol level at the time... that may or may not have played a factor in things. But it's not wise to drink and then drive your kid to the hospital, even if you're within the legal limit. JMO

The older sister of this other child now wants to blame LE for not investigating further, etc. However, maybe if her mother had been stone cold sober, she would have been more "credible" and they would have had more to go on.

One of the many links... states that LE couldn't prove that MH had given anything to the child.. to much time had elapsed... thus no charges.. and besides when MH returned the girl to her home the cops were there and she was fine.. they left with no one being arrested..

[dinojen]

I'm sorry I meant to link where Huckaby told the police that the little girl's grandmother had her cell phone and that she must have 'forgot' that she gave her permission to go to the park aND THAT WHEN THE mOTHER CAME HOME FROM WORK, SHE WASN'T AWARE OF ANY OF THAT AND WANTED TO KNOW WHERE HER DAUGHTER WAS AND meLISSA WENT ON TO TELL THE REPORTER SHE HAD ALREADY TAKEN HER CHIKLD AND THAT CHILD TO THE PARK three times that week.

sORRY BOUT CAPS LOCK



Never heard that version before...

I think it was the mother that had MH's cell phone number not the grandmother.. and the mother said she lost it..

<snippet>

According to the police documents, a family who resides in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park reported at 5:17 p.m. that their seven-year-old daughter had been missing for four hours on the afternoon of January 17. Police arrived quickly and reportedly discovered at 5:31 p.m. that she was with Melissa Huckaby at the park.

"I had taken my daughter and one of her friends to the park, which I had done for the third time that week," Huckaby said on April 10. "Her mother was, I guess, at work, and the grandmother had told the little girl that she could go to the park, which she does all the time. When the mother came home, she didn't know where she was."

Huckaby said she had given her cell phone number to the girl's mother, but says the mother told her she lost it.

The girl's family says the grandmother never gave the girl permission to go with Huckaby.

http://cbs13.com/local/Huckaby.Now.Tied.2.989653.html




He said she said at this point IMO.. being she had previously gone with Huckaby...

If she was at the park for 4 or more hours with MH.. and was given some type of meds.. she should of shown some reaction sooner than 5 hours later after she was returned home... JMHO

[For Gabriel]

What exactly was 'sick' about the group meeting in Salinas? The Baptist Church is the largest Protestant church in the United States and is second only to the Catholic Church in membership.
There are several types of Baptist Churches, Southern, American, etc but ALL of them are extremely strict with no alcohol allowed....Sounds like MH was VERY rebellious.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#families

I do not believe that MH is a real Christian anymore than the Catholic male and female pedophiles that have used the Church as a means to access children.


The Bible clearly tells us not to judge if one is saved or not, but I have to agree with you. When given how she has acted and what she has done...

[Great Dane]

I think she is a lesbian and because of her strong religious ties...was taught that it was wrong, couldn't fight the urges and unfortunately was trying to "hide" her own bad doings....I think she is 150% wrong, but being gay and being persecuted or held down for it can make people "react"...:confused:

[For Gabriel]

I wish I could find the link I lost but the police said they were unable to link the drugs to MH.....and MH claimed the grandmother had given her permission to take the girl to the park three times that week. Heaven only knows what Madison Huckaby has seen!!!

That's the part that gets me. What Madison has seen. I have a 5 yr old dd. I cannot fathom what Madison has been through! I'm hoping with her young age, that she cannot recall if she has seen things to horrifying to mention.

[Great Dane]

I wish I could find the link I lost but the police said they were unable to link the drugs to MH.....and MH claimed the grandmother had given her permission to take the girl to the park three times that week. Heaven only knows what Madison Huckaby has seen!!!

Someone else posted soemhting about her having been apart from MH for 5 hours, which was why the drug charge could not be used against her...not sure if I read that here or on line elsewhere....

[MOM0F4]

So what was her intentions with this other little girl. the reporter says that with the medical examination there was no sign of molestation. Did she get scared with her and decided to take her back home. I do belive MH was following orders from someone or at least some sort of guide of what to do. Something or someone was giving her an inpulse. i also belive she was doing this for money, she was provably selling videos or pics for porn. Etheir way she deserves the death penalty for what she did to poor Sandra .

[For Gabriel]

I am thinking that the Reverand Lane Lawless has now found out what poor little Madison has been through and that's why he says he will have a lot to say when this is all over and maybe why he can't bear to see MH at this point because some of it must have happened in his home. Perhaps her 'sickliness' is due to MH's treatment of her and her friends.

That's a possibility, Fox!

[oodi]

One of the many links... states that LE couldn't prove that MH had given anything to the child.. to much time had elapsed... thus no charges.. and besides when MH returned the girl to her home the cops were there and she was fine.. they left with no one being arrested..

MH have or may not have given the drugs to this other girl... but the delay before she showed signs is more than a bit curious. I'm sure LE did everything they could in this case. A child being given drugs is nothing to sneeze at. If LE had anything to go on, I'm sure they would have.

But... if it comes out that SC had the same drug in her system, then it's a whole other ball game.

[KaraokeDiva]

I think she is a lesbian and because of her strong religious ties...was taught that it was wrong, couldn't fight the urges and unfortunately was trying to "hide" her own bad doings....I think she is 150% wrong, but being gay and being persecuted or held down for it can make people "react"...:confused:

:confused:Being a lesbian is not at all the same thing as being a pedophile. Normal people, whether straight. gay, bi, trans, whatever...don't have sexual feelings for children.

[Details]

This fits with the picture I've been forming - she's a pedophile, a child rapist - and whether it's to avoid getting caught, to fit into her perversion, or even some demented attempt to spare the child the memory - she drugs the children so they won't remember. Problem is, children vary in weight so much, it's so easy for an accidental overdose to have killed the child, and I think that's what happened in this case. It's happened, IIRC, with the date rape drug used with adult women - an attempted rapist turns into a murderer when they give a bit too much.

[darcie]

I agree... something isn't right. And maybe that is exactly why LE didn't pursue it any further than they did at the time. One article said that the mother of this other child had alcohol on her breath, and also was taking some meds. Not very wise to mix booze and meds. There's been no mention of whether or not they checked the mother's alcohol level at the time... that may or may not have played a factor in things. But it's not wise to drink and then drive your kid to the hospital, even if you're within the legal limit. JMO

The older sister of this other child now wants to blame LE for not investigating further, etc. However, maybe if her mother had been stone cold sober, she would have been more "credible" and they would have had more to go on.

i dunno...drinking booze sure isn't against the law. Lots might think it should be. But the fact is, it isnt. She could have had one beer, and smelled like booze. Drinking and driving yes, that is a definite no-no. I guess I missed it where it said the mother actually drove her. At least she had enough sense to even take her. I dont think a mother would take their child if she herself gave her the medication.

[Details]

I think Great Dane simply meant that MH was partial to doing things to little girls. Many female pedophiles like young boys..but of course not all of them.It's a vitally important difference - a lesbian likes sex with other women - not children. Just like a heterosexual likes sex with an adult (or comparable age) of the opposite sex. If you want sex with children, you aren't a lesbian nor gay nor heterosexual in that area - you are simply a pedophile.

It's especially important considering some who despise gays attempt to slander them as perverts who would be as happy going after your children as a consensual adult. That's no more true for homosexuals than it is for heterosexuals.

[ginky41]

My apologies if this has already been posted... I thought it was interesting because it gives a few more details about the January incident with MH.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=6771583

Huckaby allegedly gave girl muscle relaxers
.....snipped

Ten weeks before Sandra Cantu was abducted and murdered, another little girl went missing from the mobile home park, only to be found hours later -- according to the girl's family -- in the company of Melissa Huckaby.
On the afternoon of January 17th, according to a Tracy Police log, the girl was reported missing by her family. She returned two and half hours later. According to the family, the girl had spent the afternoon with Melissa Huckaby without their permission.
ABC7 spoke with the girl's mother and sister at their home. They said Huckaby had taken the girl to several local parks and given her a cup of water from a local fast food restaurant. They did not want to appear on camera, but the sister told ABC7 by telephone, the little girl acted strangely when she got home.
"Her speech was slurred, like she had a really bad lisp. She kept falling asleep. She would cry like something was wrong with her. She couldn't stand up without help. She couldn't walk. Every time she tried to walk, she's fall," said the girl's sister.
The family says they took the little girl to Sutter Tracy Memorial Hospital, where she was examined. A police log for January 17 confirms the family's account that the girl tested positive for the muscle relaxant "benzodiazepine."

[For Gabriel]

I like this siggy...



Some people are like Slinky's not good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs...
:thumbsup:

[Dietcokefan]

Could someone please clue me in to where this "5 hour" gap in time report came from? I have been reading the Tracy newspaper as well as listening to the Sacramento TV stations and I'm not hearing about the 5 hours between the girl's return and the hospital visit.

From what I've heard and read, the child was missing for 4 hours, Huckaby returned her and an hour or so later the child was at the hospital.

Also, the drugs that are being reported are not just "muscle relaxants". I googled benzodiazepines and found a very informative site:
http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/benzos.asp

From that site:Benzodiazepines are among the most commonly prescribed depressant medications in the United States today. More than 15 different types of benzodiazepine medications exist to treat a wide array of both psychological and physical maladies based on dosage and implications. To be characterized as such, each benzodiazepine displays one or more of the following drug actions: anxiety relief, hypnotic, muscle relaxant, anti-convulsant, or an amnesiatic (mild memory-loss inducer). Due to their sedative properties, benzodiazepines have a high potential for abuse, especially when used with other depressants such as alcohol or opiates. Benzodiazepines are classified as Schedule IV in the Controlled Substances Act.
Commonly prescribed benzodiazepines include Xanax© (alprazolam), Librium© (chlordiazepoxide), Valium© (diazepam), and Ativan© (lorazepam). Another benzodiazepine that has been the focus of a great deal of media attention is flunitrazepam, trade name Rohypnol©, which is known widely as "the date-rape drug" due to its involvement in many sexual assault cases in recent years.

ETA: Ok, now I understand the 5 hour time gap thing.. I just heard JVM talking about it on HLN... I'd like to hear about that time gap from someone OTHER than JVM or NG... I've heard way too many wrong statements from the both of them in the past. :rolleyes:

I recall hearing, I believe from her ex-husband, that MH had a history of depression. In fact last night on NG they spoke of it as well, one statement was from a friend who said they new her to be suicidal as early as 6 years old...hard to believe, but if true and she did have issues with depression, she would most likely be prescribed drugs for depression as listed above.

IMO

[oodi]

i dunno...drinking booze sure isn't against the law. Lots might think it should be. But the fact is, it isnt. She could have had one beer, and smelled like booze. Drinking and driving yes, that is a definite no-no. I guess I missed it where it said the mother actually drove her. At least she had enough sense to even take her. I dont think a mother would take their child if she herself gave her the medication.

I don't think I said that drinking should be illegal, nor did I say that I thought the mother gave the drugs to the little girl. If my post implies that, then I apologize... that was not my intent.

[oodi]

Defense no longer seeking to exhume Sandra's body:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/21/BAFI176FFO.DTL

[ginky41]

Defense no longer seeking to exhume Sandra's body:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/21/BAFI176FFO.DTL


That's great news. From the article:

He said the deputy public defender handling the case, Sam Behar, learned this morning from the county's chief medical examiner, Bennett Omalu, that "the relevant samples were preserved" and had not been interred.

"It will not be necessary to disturb the child's remains," Fox said in an interview. "From a human point of view, certainly it's nice not to have to do that."

That tells me that both sides will have the necessary information without having to disturb Sandra's remains. That is the *ideal* situation at this point. IMO.

[Molly46]

Defense no longer seeking to exhume Sandra's body:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/21/BAFI176FFO.DTL

Very good news.

[For Gabriel]

Very good news.

I'm glad for her family. This was the last thing they needed.

[oodi]

It shouldn't matter if a parent is falling down drunk, spilled the last of their drink on themselves and has to crawl to make a report to LE.

A child deserves all the rights afforded them when a complaint has been made in a case like that. :cursing:


You are absolutely right! And I'm confident that LE did the best they could with the info they had. If there was any evidence of impropriety on the part of anyone, I'm sure they would have taken appropriate action. But since they didn't take any action against anyone, that evidence may not have existed.

As I posted earlier... if it turns out that SC had the same drug in her system as this other little girl, then it will be a different story... and I'm sure LE will take the appropriate action.

[Ice Cycle]

Have they said when the toxicology report will be back and I wonder if it will be made public?

[KittyMom]

I'm so glad that the defense decided not to go to court to exhume little Sandra.

All the muscle relaxers I've ever taken have been by perscription. So, does MH or someone in that home have a script for a particular muscle relaxer?

[aproudmom]

I just heard no 2nd autopsy..yeah for Sandra and her family this is the best news they have got for some time

[aproudmom]

I am thinking that the Reverand Lane Lawless has now found out what poor little Madison has been through and that's why he says he will have a lot to say when this is all over and maybe why he can't bear to see MH at this point because some of it must have happened in his home. Perhaps her 'sickliness' is due to MH's treatment of her and her friends.

I think he knows something she either told him or he knew it from her statements he did spend 3 hours in the PD one night..we have no idea what he said..and he has not seen her..okey dokey

[aproudmom]

Have they said when the toxicology report will be back and I wonder if it will be made public?

they want to keep it sealed..so I have no clue...

[Ice Cycle]

I'm so glad that the defense decided not to go to court to exhume little Sandra.

All the muscle relaxers I've ever taken have been by perscription. So, does MH or someone in that home have a script for a particular muscle relaxer?

Well the thing is I would of thought LE would have ask that question months ago?

[Anakerie]

Defense no longer seeking to exhume Sandra's body:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/21/BAFI176FFO.DTL
Thank you so much for that link, Oodi.. What a relief for Sandra's family and friends....

[Ice Cycle]

they want to keep it sealed..so I have no clue...

So I suppose the law just completely different in FL is why it was all released in the CA case.

[aproudmom]

You are absolutely right! And I'm confident that LE did the best they could with the info they had. If there was any evidence of impropriety on the part of anyone, I'm sure they would have taken appropriate action. But since they didn't take any action against anyone, that evidence may not have existed.

As I posted earlier... if it turns out that SC had the same drug in her system as this other little girl, then it will be a different story... and I'm sure LE will take the appropriate action.

I can say the Hospital and DFC are at fault if they did not report it and look into it..sounds to me like it fell through the cracks IMO

You have to have a prescription for those drugs that child had the right to be checked on even if it had been the mothers pills..and it angers me:cursing:

[Anakerie]

Have they said when the toxicology report will be back and I wonder if it will be made public?

I seriously doubt if the tox report will be made public.. At least not before the trial.

[Anakerie]

So I suppose the law just completely different in FL is why it was all released in the CA case.
Yes, the laws are different. California doesn't have a "Sunshine" law like Florida does.

[dinojen]

I seriously doubt if the tox report will be made public.. At least not before the trial.



Oh rest assured come Friday.. there will be a gag order on this case so tight.. nothing is going to leak out... just got that feeling...

[dinojen]

I can say the Hospital and DFC are at fault if they did not report it and look into it..sounds to me like it fell through the cracks IMO

You have to have a prescription for those drugs that child had the right to be checked on even if it had been the mothers pills..and it angers me:cursing:

See that's LE whole point.. they have no evidence that MH gave that child drugs.. or the muscle relaxer... even if the mother has the same drug prescription that MH does... how will they prove beyond a doubt that MH drugged that child.. and why wait five hours to take her to the hospital..

Have a feeling this will just be part of the story and not have much to do with MH's trial in regards to Sandra.

[aproudmom]

Antianxiety Medications
(All of these antianxiety medications are benzodiazepines)
clonazepam ( klonopin ) xanax, Paxil, zoloft, Lexapro ,Ativan, Lithium, Prozac, Effexor, Valium

I have a feeling some of these may be in the tox report..she is reported to have been on something for her mental health..all these are very popular and work very fast would knock a adult out in 15 minutes if they are not used to taking them...and these are just a few of many hundreds...

They may think about killing themselves and may even make a suicide attempt. Some depressed people have delusions (false, fixed ideas) about poverty, sickness, or sinfulness that are related to their depression.

Mood Stabilizing Medications
Cibalith-S lithium citrate 12 and older
Depakote valproic acid 2 and older
Eskalith lithium carbonate 12 and older
Lithobid lithium carbonate 12 and older

[KaraokeDiva]

It's a vitally important difference - a lesbian likes sex with other women - not children. Just like a heterosexual likes sex with an adult (or comparable age) of the opposite sex. If you want sex with children, you aren't a lesbian nor gay nor heterosexual in that area - you are simply a pedophile.

It's especially important considering some who despise gays attempt to slander them as perverts who would be as happy going after your children as a consensual adult. That's no more true for homosexuals than it is for heterosexuals.

TY for saying that better (and more diplomatically) than I could have. :thumbup:

[aproudmom]

See that's LE whole point.. they have no evidence that MH gave that child drugs.. or the muscle relaxer... even if the mother has the same drug prescription that MH does... how will they prove beyond a doubt that MH drugged that child.. and why wait five hours to take her to the hospital..

Have a feeling this will just be part of the story and not have much to do with MH's trial in regards to Sandra.

I know it is sad just thanks god this child did not die with those drugs found in her..they are very powerful..shame on them if they waited that long I am really shocked the child is alive..I have been on those meds and they are not for children...:cursing:

[Anakerie]

See that's LE whole point.. they have no evidence that MH gave that child drugs.. or the muscle relaxer... even if the mother has the same drug prescription that MH does... how will they prove beyond a doubt that MH drugged that child.. and why wait five hours to take her to the hospital..

Have a feeling this will just be part of the story and not have much to do with MH's trial in regards to Sandra.
Are you certain that the family waited 5 hours before they took her to the hospital?

[aproudmom]

Oh rest assured come Friday.. there will be a gag order on this case so tight.. nothing is going to leak out... just got that feeling...

O ITA dino it will be sealed and a gag order we will hear nothing...

[oodi]

O ITA dino it will be sealed and a gag order we will hear nothing...


I agree... we'll have to wait until the trial before any other info comes out.

[Riverwalk!]

Are you certain that the family waited 5 hours before they took her to the hospital?

I'm not. See my post #154.

ETA: The Tracy LE found MH at the park with the other girl

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Police-Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-Linked-to-An=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

[Adalena935]

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12193151

Gag order issued in Cantu murder case

1 hour ago

Public defender's office is no longer seeking to have Sandra's remains exhumed. Preserved samples existing from 1st autopsy. They knew this wouldn't fly that the 1st autopsy would have enough for them to use, photos and such. I guess they would've been considered neglegent if they haden't put in a request, nonetheless.

So far a I know, a gag order applies to all parties involved in the case, lawyers and their staffs from both sides, etal. But I'm betting there will surely be leaks from those not under the gag order umbrella as it were.

[aproudmom]

Well the thing is I would of thought LE would have ask that question months ago?

If not they should have has she not been on the 1yr program for mental health..? pretty easy for them to see if the mother and MH had the same pills...this is a child it should have been looked into much more than it was..jmo...and if she got ahold of her mothers pills then she needed to go to jail..all around it is a outrage.

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12193151

Gag order issued in Cantu murder case

1 hour ago

Public defender's office is no longer seeking to have Sandra's remains exhumed. Preserved samples existing from 1st autopsy. They knew this wouldn't fly that the 1st autopsy would have enough for them to use, photos and such. I guess they would've been considered neglegent if they haden't put in a request, nonetheless.

So far a I know, a gag order applies to all parties involved in the case, lawyers and their staffs from both sides, etal. But I'm betting there will surely be leaks from those not under the gag order umbrella as it were.

I'm not surprised but it doesn't make my nosey self very happy. :wink:

[aproudmom]

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_12193151

Gag order issued in Cantu murder case

1 hour ago

Public defender's office is no longer seeking to have Sandra's remains exhumed. Preserved samples existing from 1st autopsy. They knew this wouldn't fly that the 1st autopsy would have enough for them to use, photos and such. I guess they would've been considered neglegent if they haden't put in a request, nonetheless.

So far a I know, a gag order applies to all parties involved in the case, lawyers and their staffs from both sides, etal. But I'm betting there will surely be leaks from those not under the gag order umbrella as it were.

thanks for posting this

[Adalena935]

I hope they try Huckaby on both these cases. I believe if Sandra's toxicology comes back that she was drugged, they will try her on the other case together with this murder. No telling how many children she's done this to prior.

As Pat Brown said on JVM, she's probably been escallating in severity of her attacks on children.

[Adalena935]

I'm not surprised but it doesn't make my nosey self very happy. :wink:

I wish I could find the provisions of the judge's gag order. I believe it's up to the judge and varries by case. But it can't apply to everyone. Probably at worst just those involved in the trial/case. I think there will be leaks though as time passes. There usually is.

[Adalena935]

If not they should have has she not been on the 1yr program for mental health..? pretty easy for them to see if the mother and MH had the same pills...this is a child it should have been looked into much more than it was..jmo...and if she got ahold of her mothers pills then she needed to go to jail..all around it is a outrage.

I think the news is saying the mother had alcohol in her system at the time and maybe that's why law enforcement didn't think it was important to pursue. Now it's known it was very important. It might have saved Sandra's life. poor baby girl.

I'm sure because MH's a woman they never thought sexual molestation could be the motive for drugging the poor little girl. She was only 7 yrs old it's said. Personally I don't believe anyone ever gave Huckaby permission to take this child. She's just a big fat liar in my opinion.

Law Enforcement better put woman as well as men on their radar from now on. I sure hope they do. It could be this is a widely unreported crime among female perpetrators because they're not suspect based on gender. How very sad.

[Adalena935]

I believe Tracy PD will take a beating over this 7 yr old that was drugged most likely by Huckaby. Family was concerned enough to take her to the hospital at the time. I really hope they try her on this case along with Sandra's and put her away forever.

[just_sayin']

See that's LE whole point.. they have no evidence that MH gave that child drugs.. or the muscle relaxer... even if the mother has the same drug prescription that MH does... how will they prove beyond a doubt that MH drugged that child.. and why wait five hours to take her to the hospital..

Have a feeling this will just be part of the story and not have much to do with MH's trial in regards to Sandra.

Does anyone know for a fact this Child wasn't Sandra? I think I read a few days back this child was 7 well Sandra would have been 7 at that time, just wondering if by chance this could have been this poor child. all jmo.

[Riverwalk!]

Does anyone know for a fact this Child wasn't Sandra? I think I read a few days back this child was 7 well Sandra would have been 7 at that time, just wondering if by chance this could have been this poor child. all jmo.

It's another little girl. :mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201
Please note this video has been updated.

video and written text

[Adalena935]

I've taken muscle relaxants, and there isn't a 5 hour lag time between when you take the med and when you stagger about. The girl was returned in acceptable condition to the Cantu home, and 5 hours later was staggering and slurring? She got those meds from her own house.

An older sister of the little 7 yr old was on the phone LIVE to Jane Valez Mitchell today. She said the child was staggering, slurred speech that was obvious immediately.

[dinojen]

New judge puts gag order on Cantu case (4:19 p.m.)

By The Record
April 21, 2009 7:20 PM

STOCKTON – A judge assigned to oversee the trial of Melissa Huckaby, the Tracy woman charged with the murder and rape of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, made her first ruling today, placing a gag order on attorneys and involved parties.

San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Linda Lofthus took the case Monday after another judge declined the assignment. Huckaby, 28, is set for her first hearing in Lofthus’s Stockton courtroom on Friday.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa was hand-delivered the order from Lofthus, the prosecutor’s office said in a written statement.

The order directs “parties and counsel” not to “release … information or opinions concerning this case or any issue likely involved in this case,” Lofthus’ order says.


Guess the case has been gagged before Friday....:confused:


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090421/A_NEWS/90421013/-1/A_SPECIAL0263

[Adalena935]

snipping to address. Did you check out the psych evaluation/criminal thing on the links thread? It's on the last page. Looks like MH was going down hill fast. JMO.

How do you lose such an important cell phone number in a few hours? This is very confusing. So where was the mother when the grandmother said the child could go to the park? JMO.

bolding mine>

That's Huckaby's story. The sister told JVM no one gave permission for Huckaby to have the child, period. I wouldn't believe Huckaby if she told me there's sand at the beach. I believe she had about as much permission to have the 7 yr old as she had permission from Sandra Cantu's family to commit murder. The woman's a liar.

I've heard on news that the Mother was at work. shrug (fox news & CNN)

[Anakerie]

I'm not. See my post #154.

ETA: The Tracy LE found MH at the park with the other girl

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Police-Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-Linked-to-An=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198
Thank you for the link... It would seem that there are almost as many different versions of all the stories circulating about MH as there are reporters reporting on them...

:shrug:

[Adalena935]

I don't know how much will change with the gag - this case has been functioning as sort of gagged since Sandra first went missing.

I don't either. They don't specify what the gag involves and I know there's dif variations of gag orders from the bench. This is the first the defense has asked for a gag order. Before that it was the DA's office (prosecution).

I'd like to read this one. They released some of the other orders prior to this so maybe in a day or two we'll get to read it.

[Anakerie]

Does anyone know for a fact this Child wasn't Sandra? I think I read a few days back this child was 7 well Sandra would have been 7 at that time, just wondering if by chance this could have been this poor child. all jmo.

One of the many stories I've read today said that this other little girl was possibly the other playmate of Sandra's...

[just_sayin']

One of the many stories I've read today said that this other little girl was possibly the other playmate of Sandra's...

Oh My! There is no telling what those children in that park has went threw up to and includeing MH 's daughter. Makes me :cursing: jmo

[Adalena935]

Thank you for the link... It would seem that there are almost as many different versions of all the stories circulating about MH as there are reporters reporting on them...

:shrug:

The story that Huckaby was reported for having taken another child illicitly and drugged her is from Huckaby. She told that story to Tracy Press. This is the first time LE's allowed the information out and I think we're just getting some information at a time. I think more about it will come out as time passes. Or no telling how many other children might be involved. Truthfully, I don't believe these are the only 2. Poor little kids. What a dangerous predator this woman is.

[just_sayin']

It's another little girl. :mad:

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201
Please note this video has been updated.

video and written text

Thank you River.

[Riverwalk!]

Thank you for the link... It would seem that there are almost as many different versions of all the stories circulating about MH as there are reporters reporting on them...

:shrug:

Yep.
I'm going to PM one our nurse posters to come here and help!!

[oodi]

Thank you for the link... It would seem that there are almost as many different versions of all the stories circulating about MH as there are reporters reporting on them...

:shrug:

That's not unusal, unfortunately. :unsure:

I hope this other girl was not another of MH's victims, and I hope there aren't others somewhere out there. I think it best to give LE the benefit of the doubt, until we know for sure and without question that they dropped the ball in some manner.

[Adalena935]

Here you go... Darcie's post from yesterday's thread posted this morning.

<snipped for space>

America needs to take their rose colored glasses off, and open their eyes.

MOO

ETA just wanted to say this not for sympathy and or attention, but for a check of reality, and peoples perspective of child abusers/molestors. They come in all sorts, sizes, shapes, sex, and color.
They are not always men.
darcie[/I]

I totally agree. I wasn't so shocked when it was learned a woman is the perpetrator in this case. I was not molested, just have known some really bizarre women many yrs hence. Not having to do with children but just expressed some very quirky things. Women can be just as bizarre as men in my opinion. I do think women probably get overlooked in crimes like this because no one believes it.

Surprised at this woman? Not me. Not in the least. In the very beginning someone mentioned this woman's name Melissa Huckaby and she was always on the suspect list potentially. I'm no more surprised than if it had been a man. I hope this case wakes people and especially law enforcement up, that sexual predators and pedophiles can be women.

[CC I See]

If not they should have has she not been on the 1yr program for mental health..? pretty easy for them to see if the mother and MH had the same pills...this is a child it should have been looked into much more than it was..jmo...and if she got ahold of her mothers pills then she needed to go to jail..all around it is a outrage.

I just can not believe that police failed to investigate this abduction of the girl further. Had they done a complete physical, they might have found the reason for the drugging of the child....and Sandra might be alive today.

[Adalena935]

That's not unusal, unfortunately. :unsure:

I hope this other girl was not another of MH's victims, and I hope there aren't others somewhere out there. I think it best to give LE the benefit of the doubt, until we know for sure and without question that they dropped the ball in some manner.

I don't blame LE. They have a tough job & don't get it 100% right, 100% of the time. I do think they'll be more alert to similar reports in the future though. It might save a child from molestation or heaven forbid murder.

[Adalena935]

I just can not believe that police failed to investigate this abduction of the girl further. Had they done a complete physical, they might have found the reason for the drugging of the child....and Sandra might be alive today.

FBI stats say it's unusual, but they're basing that on known cases. I'm wondering how many women pedophiles have flown under the radar all these years. I think people would be shocked if they knew the true numbers of cases involving women.

[Anakerie]

Huckaby Tied To SoCal Arson Case, Police Say
http://www.kcra.com/news/19244229/detail.html

What are we going to hear about next????? :scared:

[aproudmom]

I think the news is saying the mother had alcohol in her system at the time and maybe that's why law enforcement didn't think it was important to pursue. Now it's known it was very important. It might have saved Sandra's life. poor baby girl.

I'm sure because MH's a woman they never thought sexual molestation could be the motive for drugging the poor little girl. She was only 7 yrs old it's said. Personally I don't believe anyone ever gave Huckaby permission to take this child. She's just a big fat liar in my opinion.

Law Enforcement better put woman as well as men on their radar from now on. I sure hope they do. It could be this is a widely unreported crime among female perpetrators because they're not suspect based on gender. How very sad.

ITA with you Adalena
she said she always took this little girl to the park just like she did other kids..that is scary..I still do not understand why they did not call in DFC if they found this in the child's system I am in aw over it even if it was the mothers..:mad:

[Adalena935]

Judge Van Oss has recused himself from the case... another one will be assigned.. just heard it on CBS5.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/20/state/n220803D05.DTL

I read that weeks ago. That Van Oss would take him/herself off the case due to conflict of interest. Wish I had bookmarked it. Probably few would remember it by now anyway. I have no idea what Van Oss' gender is, not that it matters.

[dinojen]

Too many conflicting news reports on this girl in January IMO... one says she was not reported missing for four hours.. another says she was reported missing at 1:30... one reports she had gone to the park before with MH... the cops make no arrest due to the span of time from the first report and the second report...

Again.. the cops were at the house when the girl was brought back to her home by MH.. and she appeared to be fine... how do you drug a girl and no reaction for five hours....:confused:

Just asking... something isn't jiving IMO

[dinojen]

I read that weeks ago. That Van Oss would take him/herself off the case due to conflict of interest. Wish I had bookmarked it. Probably few would remember it by now anyway. I have no idea what Van Oss' gender is, not that it matters.


Well Behar just filled the request last week... guess him and the Pros. have some past history... good thing he did recuse himself... IMOOC...

From what I have read... Daniel Horowitz and Van Oss aren't too fond of each other either... not that it makes a difference...

Spent the weekend reviewing some of his rulings... they definately will open your eyes... IMOOC...

[Adalena935]

ITA with you Adalena
she said she always took this little girl to the park just like she did other kids..that is scary..I still do not understand why they did not call in DFC if they found this in the child's system I am in aw over it even if it was the mothers..:mad:

I don't believe it was the Mother's drugs. I believe it was Huckaby's, especially given the dead child's body in her wake we know of today. She's a pedophile of the worst kind. It's a reasonable bet Sandra's toxicology will come back that Huckaby drugged her too. Someone on JVM's show said they might try the two cases together against Huckaby. That Tracy PD and the DA was thinking of trying them together if applicable.

Maybe the family did call DCF and it's that it hasen't been made public yet.

[CC I See]

Too many conflicting news reports on this girl in January IMO... one says she was not reported missing for four hours.. another says she was reported missing at 1:30... one reports she had gone to the park before with MH... the cops make no arrest due to the span of time from the first report and the second report...

Again.. the cops were at the house when the girl was brought back to her home by MH.. and she appeared to be fine... how do you drug a girl and no reaction for five hours....:confused:

Just asking... something isn't jiving IMO

....something isn't jiving and I think it is the news reporters not getting their facts straight. As for the girl not showing signs of being drugged, it could be that she was dosed twice. Once at the beginning of the abduction and then right before she was brought back which did not take affect for an hour or so and they just didn't notice, if she was in her room playing.

[dinojen]

Huckaby Tied To SoCal Arson Case, Police Say
http://www.kcra.com/news/19244229/detail.html

What are we going to hear about next????? :scared:

Anything and everything that has her name attached to it... it's media heaven...

[Adalena935]

Well Behar just filled the request last week... guess him and the Pros. have some past history... good thing he did recuse himself... IMOOC...

Oh I know the request was filed recently. What I read earlier said he was expected to ask to be excused. Oh I don't think it's any big deal or anything shocking. It was a given from what I read a while ago. Now that it's done the problem is solved and Huckaby will receive a fair trial.

[dinojen]

....something isn't jiving and I think it is the news reporters not getting their facts straight. As for the girl not showing signs of being drugged, it could be that she was dosed twice. Once at the beginning of the abduction and then right before she was brought back which did not take affect for an hour or so and they just didn't notice, if she was in her room playing.


But if she was that heavily drugged.. do you think the hospital would of let her go home.. do you thing CPS wouldn't of been called... something isn't askew here... IMO....

[oodi]

Too many conflicting news reports on this girl in January IMO... one says she was not reported missing for four hours.. another says she was reported missing at 1:30... one reports she had gone to the park before with MH... the cops make no arrest due to the span of time from the first report and the second report...

Again.. the cops were at the house when the girl was brought back to her home by MH.. and she appeared to be fine... how do you drug a girl and no reaction for five hours....:confused:

Just asking... something isn't jiving IMO

I suppose it is always possible that the girl found the pill somewhere. I don't know what they look like, but she may have found it and thought it was candy. If she had been at the park with MH, she may have found it there. She may have found it somewhere in the mobilehome park. She may have found it, put it in her pocket or something, and taken it later. Just throwing possibilities out...

[dinojen]

I don't believe it was the Mother's drugs. I believe it was Huckaby's, especially given the dead child's body in her wake we know of today. She's a pedophile of the worst kind. It's a reasonable bet Sandra's toxicology will come back that Huckaby drugged her too. Someone on JVM's show said they might try the two cases together against Huckaby. That Tracy PD and the DA was thinking of trying them together if applicable.

Maybe the family did call DCF and it's that it hasen't been made public yet.

Have a feeling they didn't call DCF.. or CPS... just have a feeling not link to defend my feelings.

Also... do you have a link that shows there was meds in Sandra's body.. I don't think so being everything is under lock and key.. per the Prosecution.

LE already stated.. they have no proof of MH drugging this child in January that's why no charges were filed... no if the tox reports shows there were drugs in Sandra's body that might change things... but who is to say they are the same drugs that were shown in the body of the little girl in January...

I think they have bigger things on MH than what happened in January.. it's not going to make any difference in the outcome of MH..

Something about this January accusation... just doesn't sit well with me.. don't know why.. but something is amiss.. especially if she was allowed to go with MH before to the park...

JMO...

[just_sayin']

But if she was that heavily drugged.. do you think the hospital would of let her go home.. do you thing CPS wouldn't of been called... something isn't askew here... IMO....

Something sure don't add up does it? I wonder if she ever seen this child after this happened?

[CC I See]

But if she was that heavily drugged.. do you think the hospital would of let her go home.. do you thing CPS wouldn't of been called... something isn't askew here... IMO....

I can't imagine why CPS wasn't called and why there was no complete physical exam done and why her clothes weren't checked for any kinds of unexplained stains such as blood or urine.

Looks like they just said, "oh well, she just went to the park and then got into some meds somewhere. No harm done."

[Adalena935]

I suppose it is always possible that the girl found the pill somewhere. I don't know what they look like, but she may have found it and thought it was candy. If she had been at the park with MH, she may have found it there. She may have found it somewhere in the mobilehome park. She may have found it, put it in her pocket or something, and taken it later. Just throwing possibilities out...

With the now-dead child in her wake I think it's a safe bet Melissa Huckaby drugged the child. I don't think the family of the other child filed a police report for no reason. They were obviously alarmed, said the child was staggering, slurring speech and could hardly stand up when located and they took her to the hospital & called police.

All this from the older sister live on JVM today and Melissa Huckaby who now stands arrested in the 8 yr old's sexual molestation and death and stuffed into a suitcase and thrown into a pond of bovine feces, did not have permission to have the child.

Melissa Huckaby is a documented liar.

[Adalena935]

I can't imagine why CPS wasn't called and why there was no complete physical exam done and why her clothes weren't checked for any kinds of unexplained stains such as blood or urine.

Looks like they just said, "oh well, she just went to the park and then got into some meds somewhere. No harm done."

Why are you saying this? That's the opposite of what the older sister told JVM LIVE today.

:confused:

[Adalena935]

Have a feeling they didn't call DCF.. or CPS... just have a feeling not link to defend my feelings.

Also... do you have a link that shows there was meds in Sandra's body.. I don't think so being everything is under lock and key.. per the Prosecution.

LE already stated.. they have no proof of MH drugging this child in January that's why no charges were filed... no if the tox reports shows there were drugs in Sandra's body that might change things... but who is to say they are the same drugs that were shown in the body of the little girl in January...

I think they have bigger things on MH than what happened in January.. it's not going to make any difference in the outcome of MH..

Something about this January accusation... just doesn't sit well with me.. don't know why.. but something is amiss.. especially if she was allowed to go with MH before to the park...

JMO...

I acknowledge you're entitled to your thoughts.

I've never said Sandra had drugs in her system. Why are you asking me for a link to something I've never said?

[Riverwalk!]

Have a feeling they didn't call DCF.. or CPS... just have a feeling not link to defend my feelings.

Also... do you have a link that shows there was meds in Sandra's body.. I don't think so being everything is under lock and key.. per the Prosecution.

LE already stated.. they have no proof of MH drugging this child in January that's why no charges were filed... no if the tox reports shows there were drugs in Sandra's body that might change things... but who is to say they are the same drugs that were shown in the body of the little girl in January...

I think they have bigger things on MH than what happened in January.. it's not going to make any difference in the outcome of MH..

Something about this January accusation... just doesn't sit well with me.. don't know why.. but something is amiss.. especially if she was allowed to go with MH before to the park...

JMO...

The link is in this video: WATCH it and see that at 22:00 Benzos were in the girls body by the hospital's own report and police report verifies it.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

by 10 pm LE and the hospital knew this 7 year old had BENZOs in her body and they did nothing, imo. IF it wasn't Huckaby and it wasn't the mother/family, then who did this to a little girl???? There's the 5 hours, but how long does it take to get a tox screen back with that particular drug after admittance through the ER, examination, etc.?????

2:14 CASE CLOSED. Report to follow.......

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

[Adalena935]

Mellisa Huckaby is the person who told Tracy Press charges were filed against her with the Tracy Police Dept. and she was accused of kidnapping and drugging another neighbor child.

IF there is a report with Tracy Police I'm sure it's knowable.

IF there's a hospital report, exam, etal, I'm sure it's knowable.

Is it that complicated to check the records? I don't think so. I think it's a very simple matter to know if a complaint was filed and if the child was examined at the hospital. or not.

[oodi]

With the now-dead child in her wake I think it's a safe bet Melissa Huckaby drugged the child. I don't think the family of the other child filed a police report for no reason. They were obviously alarmed, said the child was staggering, slurring speech and could hardly stand up when located and they took her to the hospital & called police.

All this from the older sister live on JVM today and Melissa Huckaby who now stands arrested in the 8 yr old's sexual molestation and death and stuffed into a suitcase and thrown into a pond of bovine feces, did not have permission to have the child.

Melissa Huckaby is a documented liar.

I never said that MH was NOT a liar, nor that she is innocent of anything. What she has admitted to is one of the most horrific things anyone could do, and she should pay dearly for it. My post was only meant as a possible explanation of why the child seemed to show no effects of being drugged until a few hours after she had been returned home. It doesn't make sense to me (and apparently to some others) that the child showed no symptoms for such a period of time. At present, there is NO proof that MH drugged this child or any other, nor is there proof that LE or any other agency dropped the ball. Why am I being attacked for that?

If there is proof out there, please refer me to a link, because I obviously missed it.

[Adalena935]

The link is in this video: WATCH it and see that at 22:00 Benzos were in the girls body by the hospital's own report and police report verifies it.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

by 10 pm LE and the hospital knew this 7 year old had BENZOs in her body and they did nothing, imo. IF it wasn't Huckaby and it wasn't the mother/family, then who did this to a little girl???? There's the 5 hours, but how long does it take to get a tox screen back with that particular drug after admittance through the ER, examination, etc.?????

2:14 CASE CLOSED. Report to follow.......

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

For whatever reason some people are just going to not believe it. And hey, that's okay. I have issue with people making statements such as; "Why wasn't a hospital report done????" As if it wasn't. News is saying the child was taken to the hospital. And yes a blood test would not be immediate from a lab.

[Riverwalk!]

For whatever reason some people are just going to not believe it. And hey, that's okay. I have issue with people making statements such as; "Why wasn't a hospital report done????" As if it wasn't. News is saying the child was taken to the hospital. And yes a blood test would not be immediate from a lab.

by 22:00 (10 pm) the Tracy hospital had the report of Benzos in that little 7 year olds body. NOT just mo, it's viewable in the above link.

Need a screen shot. Can anyone do that? Where's Amanda? lol.

[Riverwalk!]

Most hospitals have drug detection kits..you take urine and put it is tubes, add reagents and read the results.
It seems to work well with benzos..I know because I had some positive results when I worked in the labs.
So the lab tech in the hospital there probably had the results within 30 minutes and gave them to the ER doctor...

:cursing:

Thanks. This report said it was blood work

http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?Police-Sandra-Cantu-Suspect-Linked-to-An=1&blockID=252627&feedID=171

[Adalena935]

I never said that MH was NOT a liar, nor that she is innocent of anything. What she has admitted to is one of the most horrific things anyone could do, and she should pay dearly for it. My post was only meant as a possible explanation of why the child seemed to show no effects of being drugged until a few hours after she had been returned home. It doesn't make sense to me (and apparently to some others) that the child showed no symptoms for such a period of time. At present, there is NO proof that MH drugged this child or any other, nor is there proof that LE or any other agency dropped the ball. Why am I being attacked for that?

If there is proof out there, please refer me to a link, because I obviously missed it.

Oh no, I didn't mean to give the impression I was attacking you. *I* was only voicing *my* opinion.

The older sister told JVM live today that the child was obviously drugged thick tongued and could hardly stand up when they got her back; immediately. Not later. And they took her to the hospital and filed a police report. Called Tracy PD at least 2X's they were so alarmed. And that no one had permission to have the child.

*I* was saying Huckaby's a liar. When I said that I wasn't accusing you of anything. *I* was giving *my* opinion is all. Sorry I didn't explain myself better and sorry there was any misunderstanding. I am giving my opinion on what I've heard on the news regarding this case. I'm not attacking you now & I hope I've made myself clear on that.

This is a public message board. People are going to reply to your posts. I sincerely meant no harm and sorry you took my reply wrong.

:shrug:

[Adalena935]

by 22:00 (10 pm) the Tracy hospital had the report of Benzos in that little 7 year olds body. NOT just mo, it's viewable in the above link.

Need a screen shot. Can anyone do that? Where's Amanda? lol.

Thanks. I appreciate the links you've posted. ETA: I haven't read all the links you've posted yet.

[oodi]

Oh no, I didn't mean to give the impression I was attacking you. *I* was only voicing *my* opinion.

The older sister told JVM live today that the child was obviously drugged thick tongued and could hardly stand up when they got her back; immediately. Not later. And they took her to the hospital and filed a police report. Called Tracy PD at least 2X's they were so alarmed. And that no one had permission to have the child.

*I* was saying Huckaby's a liar. When I said that I wasn't accusing you of anything. *I* was giving *my* opinion is all. Sorry I didn't explain myself better and sorry there was any misunderstanding. I am giving my opinion on what I've heard on the news regarding this case. I'm not attacking you now & I hope I've made myself clear on that.

This is a public message board. People are going to reply to your posts. I sincerely meant no harm and sorry you took my reply wrong.

:shrug:

No problem. But there does seem to be a problem with conflicting media reports. One report said that LE found MH and this girl at the park, another says that LE was at the house when MH brought her home. One says LE stated the girl was fine when she was brought home, and now older sis says she wasn't fine. I have a hard time believing that LE would just go on their merry way when a child was as impaired as the older sis says she was. But I guess anything is possible.

I guess we will never know for sure unless the police reports, hospital reports, and the reports of any other agency involved are made public.

[Riverwalk!]

Don't know if this will work, but here's a screenshot of the police report about the 7 year old drugged in January. Worth a try since some don't seem to be able to view the videos posted or choose not too. IMO

http://i40.tinypic.com/t62jic.jpg

I can make this bigger by hitting "command" and the + sign.

[aproudmom]

I don't believe it was the Mother's drugs. I believe it was Huckaby's, especially given the dead child's body in her wake we know of today. She's a pedophile of the worst kind. It's a reasonable bet Sandra's toxicology will come back that Huckaby drugged her too. Someone on JVM's show said they might try the two cases together against Huckaby. That Tracy PD and the DA was thinking of trying them together if applicable.

Maybe the family did call DCF and it's that it hasen't been made public yet.

Ima thinking you just may be right it would be very easy to see what she was taking those are controlled substances so you have to be prescribe them by a Dr.

[dinojen]

Oh no, I didn't mean to give the impression I was attacking you. *I* was only voicing *my* opinion.

The older sister told JVM live today that the child was obviously drugged thick tongued and could hardly stand up when they got her back; immediately. Not later. And they took her to the hospital and filed a police report. Called Tracy PD at least 2X's they were so alarmed. And that no one had permission to have the child.

*I* was saying Huckaby's a liar. When I said that I wasn't accusing you of anything. *I* was giving *my* opinion is all. Sorry I didn't explain myself better and sorry there was any misunderstanding. I am giving my opinion on what I've heard on the news regarding this case. I'm not attacking you now & I hope I've made myself clear on that.

This is a public message board. People are going to reply to your posts. I sincerely meant no harm and sorry you took my reply wrong.

:shrug:


The older sister told JVM live today that the child was obviously drugged thick tongued and could hardly stand up when they got her back; immediately. Not later. And they took her to the hospital and filed a police report. Called Tracy PD at least 2X's they were so alarmed. And that no one had permission to have the child.


Not trying to be argumentative.. but the TPD were there at the home when the child returned and none of this was noticeable... FIVE HOURS later the child was taken to the hospital..

So either the 18 year old sister is changing her story per interview.. or something is amiss.

I'm sure if the TPD was that at the home when the girl came home and saw her as you described... more investigation would of taken place.

I have read over and over again today.. how five hours elapsed from the time the girl was returned home and the time that they noticed her reactions such as slurring and stumbling...

So which is it... immediately and the cops chose to ignore it.. or the symptoms occurred later in the evening...:confused:

[Ice Cycle]

No problem. But there does seem to be a problem with conflicting media reports. One report said that LE found MH and this girl at the park, another says that LE was at the house when MH brought her home. One says LE stated the girl was fine when she was brought home, and now older sis says she wasn't fine. I have a hard time believing that LE would just go on their merry way when a child was as impaired as the older sis says she was. But I guess anything is possible.

I guess we will never know for sure unless the police reports, hospital reports, and the reports of any other agency involved are made public.


Well their is many things about this that doesn't make sense to me. If the drug still had a effect on her 5 hours later that would almost mean she would of had to of given it to her at the least right before she brought her home, what would would be the purpose of that? Unless LE found them at the park and she intended to keep her longer. Also I bet it is likely that this was a friend of Sandra's also since she was around her age and lived in the park. Usually kids will play with each other's friends.

[aproudmom]

Don't know if this will work, but here's a screenshot of the police report about the 7 year old drugged in January. Worth a try since some don't seem to be able to view the videos posted or choose not too. IMO

http://i40.tinypic.com/t62jic.jpg

I can make this bigger by hitting "command" and the + sign.

is it the police report..I have bead eyes...

[Ice Cycle]

I never said that MH was NOT a liar, nor that she is innocent of anything. What she has admitted to is one of the most horrific things anyone could do, and she should pay dearly for it. My post was only meant as a possible explanation of why the child seemed to show no effects of being drugged until a few hours after she had been returned home. It doesn't make sense to me (and apparently to some others) that the child showed no symptoms for such a period of time. At present, there is NO proof that MH drugged this child or any other, nor is there proof that LE or any other agency dropped the ball. Why am I being attacked for that?

If there is proof out there, please refer me to a link, because I obviously missed it.

Have I missed something, what has MH admitted to?

[Riverwalk!]

is it the police report..I have bead eyes...

Yes, police report from the video. I can just click on the page and it gets BIG, but I use a Mac. lol you ole beady eyed mom.

[dinojen]

is it the police report..I have bead eyes...

Wonder what mother is OS means:confused:

[oodi]

Wonder what mother is OS means:confused:

OS = On Scene

[Riverwalk!]

Wonder what mother is OS means:confused:

OS = on sight. I called a local cop and he told me. lol

[aproudmom]

Don't know if this will work, but here's a screenshot of the police report about the 7 year old drugged in January. Worth a try since some don't seem to be able to view the videos posted or choose not too. IMO

http://i40.tinypic.com/t62jic.jpg

I can make this bigger by hitting "command" and the + sign.

River so from what I can see the report was made at 2

2200 hundred
10pm

dispatched at 2201
10:01pm

at scene 2206
10:06

closed at 2:14am

MH said they knocked on her door at 2am

[Riverwalk!]

River so from what I can see the report was made at 2

2200 hundred
10pm

dispatched at 2201
10:01pm

at scene 2206
10:06

closed at 2:14am

MH said they knocked on her door at 2am

That's what MH said. Interesting, huh?

[aproudmom]

OS = on sight. I called a local cop and he told me. lol

yep correct

[dinojen]

River so from what I can see the report was made at 2

2200 hundred
10pm

dispatched at 2201
10:01pm

at scene 2206
10:06

closed at 2:14am

MH said they knocked on her door at 2am

And the little girl was returned home approx. at 5 PM... so here we are hours later...

So why wait so long to go to the hospital if as the sister says it was noticeable right away...

Just saying... something is amiss in someone's story ... JMO

[CelticDawn]

I have read volumes about this case.

I try to live by "judge not lest ye be judged"

Bug GOD KNOWS I CANT FIND ANY REASON TO NOT JUST STRING THIS WOMAN UP.

[aproudmom]

That's what MH said. Interesting, huh?

yes she is on the phone telling the reporter right before it got cut off she said they knocked on her door at 2am

[Anakerie]

And the little girl was returned home approx. at 5 PM... so here we are hours later...

So why wait so long to go to the hospital if as the sister says it was noticeable right away...

Just saying... something is amiss in someone's story ... JMO
What makes ANYONE believe that the results from that little girl's exam and tox screen was available instantly?

And how often has ANYONE gone to an ER and gotten seen instantly?

And where is the info that says the cops went with the family to the hospital? I would guess the cops were called when the results for the tox screen came back!

[aproudmom]

And the little girl was returned home approx. at 5 PM... so here we are hours later...

So why wait so long to go to the hospital if as the sister says it was noticeable right away...

Just saying... something is amiss in someone's story ... JMO

ok this is police report wonder if this was after the ER or they called them to the home after??if not yes there is the 5 hours..which makes no since..a 7yr old taking those medications would be knocked out it would not take hours for it to kick in..I know I have taken them for anxiety and depression...some are controlled released but a child of that age..sorry someone should have seen this earlier than 10pm she is lucky to be alive..I would have rushed my 13yr old to the ER right away..imo

dino not sure but looks like they called back about the child that was missing and drugs had been found in her system...it is very hard to read it all..

[Riverwalk!]

yes she is on the phone telling the reporter right before it got cut off she said they knocked on her door at 2am

Yep. The family of the other little girl took her to the ER. Lord knows how long they sat there and then an exam, vitals, questions, etc. and then for blood work/tests to come back and LE knocked on MH door around 2:00 a.m after they closed the case at the ER with a report to follow.

Then nothing happened and everyone went their merry way until March 27th. :cursing:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20273817,00.htm

[aproudmom]

What makes ANYONE believe that the results from that little girl's exam and tox screen was available instantly?

And how often has ANYONE gone to an ER and gotten seen instantly?

And where is the info that says the cops went with the family to the hospital? I would guess the cops were called when the results for the tox screen came back!

to me from what I can read looks as if they called back when the drugs were found in her system..and I have sat in a ER for 5 hours but would hope they would have rushed this child in with all these symptoms

a tox would take maybe a hour or maybe just alittle longer under normal circumstances:confused:

[Riverwalk!]

What makes ANYONE believe that the results from that little girl's exam and tox screen was available instantly?

And how often has ANYONE gone to an ER and gotten seen instantly?

And where is the info that says the cops went with the family to the hospital? I would guess the cops were called when the results for the tox screen came back!

The LE was called back for an ongoing case that happened earlier that day. Called back at 10pm and by then the ER had the tox screen back from the 7 year olds blood work.

All is on the screen shot. IMO

[aproudmom]

ok got it blown up I will see if I can see it better be back in a bit

[oodi]

If this little girl was in the state the older sis apparently described her as being in, I'm sure she was taken in immediately... not left to wait in the lobby of the ER for who knows how long.

So a couple of key things we don't know at this point:

1. What time did this family first arrive at the hospital?

2. How long did it take to run the tox screen? (not how long a tox screen takes to run, but how long did it take this hospital to do it.... time requested and time results received)

[Anakerie]

to me from what I can read looks as if they called back when the drugs were found in her system..and I have sat in a ER for 5 hours but would hope they would have rushed this child in with all these symptoms

a tox would take maybe a hour or maybe just alittle longer under normal circumstances:confused:

Yep. The family of the other little girl took her to the ER. Lord knows how long they sat there and then an exam, vitals, questions, etc. and then for blood work/tests to come back and LE knocked on MH door around 2:00 a.m after they closed the case at the ER with a report to follow.

This is what I have been trying to say all evening. I am SURE that the family did NOT WAIT FOR 5 HOURS to take the child to the hospital! I've seen it posted over and over and over again how the family waited for 5 hours before taking the child to the hospital. If the family waited that long, there is no way in heck that the police would have been there to take a report at 10PM.

I've gone to ER's with emergencies and the only ones who get taken instantly are the ones who are bleeding all over the floor... This child would NOT have been seen instantly. She wasn't bleeding all over the floor!!!!

[Ice Cycle]

If this little girl was in the state the older sis apparently described her as being in, I'm sure she was taken in immediately... not left to wait in the lobby of the ER for who knows how long.

So a couple of key things we don't know at this point:

1. What time did this family first arrive at the hospital?

2. How long did it take to run the tox screen?


Well and add to that where did LE first find the child with MH, at the park or arriving home?

[AmndaRcknwth]

The link is in this video: WATCH it and see that at 22:00 Benzos were in the girls body by the hospital's own report and police report verifies it.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201

by 10 pm LE and the hospital knew this 7 year old had BENZOs in her body and they did nothing, imo. IF it wasn't Huckaby and it wasn't the mother/family, then who did this to a little girl???? There's the 5 hours, but how long does it take to get a tox screen back with that particular drug after admittance through the ER, examination, etc.?????

2:14 CASE CLOSED. Report to follow.......

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/state&id=6772201


Not sure how long it takes for tests to come back, but hospital time is slow time. Wait in the waiting room, wait in the ER room, wait for the tech, wait...

I know LE doesn't get everything right but fgs why would a 7 yr old have benzos in their sytem! Sandra should not have been killed. Melissa at the very least should have been questioned in January.

[aproudmom]

earlier call from---that juv who has been missing tested post for muscle relaxers RP Responding Officer has no info on mother V (victim)
in hallway B in the ER closed dispo report to follow 2:14am 53 seconds
10-26 usually means leaving the scene or it does here

[oodi]

Well and add to that where did LE first find the child with MH, at the park or arriving home?


Right... but what I meant was key things regarding the hospital visit. I guess I should have included that in my post. :blushing:

[AmndaRcknwth]

I didn't save the original link, but I saved on photobucket the vid of Joe Vazquez talking on the phone to Melissa about the drugged little girl:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=cliffhangervidnoending001.flv


And Riverwalk's pic cropped a little:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scdrugged7yroldJanuary09.png

[Ice Cycle]

This is what I have been trying to say all evening. I am SURE that the family did NOT WAIT FOR 5 HOURS to take the child to the hospital! I've seen it posted over and over and over again how the family waited for 5 hours before taking the child to the hospital. If the family waited that long, there is no way in heck that the police would have been there to take a report at 10PM.

I've gone to ER's with emergencies and the only ones who get taken instantly are the ones who are bleeding all over the floor... This child would NOT have been seen instantly. She wasn't bleeding all over the floor!!!!

Oh I think she would of, if they told them what the sister has said.
It is true most people have to wait but if my memory serves me right (been awhile) even children if it is just flue symptoms but they usually also see them right away if they have a high fever.

The thing is even when you go back to the examine room, sometimes all that can take forever and if it was still effecting her maybe they did want her to stay awhile until it wore off to watch her. But then that time frame does not add up.

[oodi]

earlier call from---that juv who has been missing tested post for muscle relaxers RP Responding Officer has no info on mother V (victim)
in hallway B in the ER closed dispo report to follow 2:14am 53 seconds
10-26 usually means leaving the scene or it does here

But it shows as "-10-26"

I'm wondering what was blackened out before the first -

[Riverwalk!]

I didn't save the original link, but I saved on photobucket the vid of Joe Vazquez talking on the phone to Melissa about the drugged little girl:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=cliffhangervidnoending001.flv


And Riverwalk's pic cropped a little:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/scdrugged7yroldJanuary09.png

YEAH for you. I appreciate the help since I'm lame at screen shots.

[aproudmom]

This is what I have been trying to say all evening. I am SURE that the family did NOT WAIT FOR 5 HOURS to take the child to the hospital! I've seen it posted over and over and over again how the family waited for 5 hours before taking the child to the hospital. If the family waited that long, there is no way in heck that the police would have been there to take a report at 10PM.

I've gone to ER's with emergencies and the only ones who get taken instantly are the ones who are bleeding all over the floor... This child would NOT have been seen instantly. She wasn't bleeding all over the floor!!!!

this was on January 17th omg..Sandra went missing March 27th
it does say the earlier report of a child that was missing
they closed the report in 4 hours 50 seconds for the call to the ER
heck I dont know why they did not look into this more..even if it was not MLH

[aproudmom]

MH's lawyer has decided to NOT ask for an exhumation given that the ME did a thorough job and preserved samples. GOOD NEWS !!




http://www.ktvu.com/news/19236187/detail.html

Good to know the gag order applies only to possible witnesses to be called thus far.

OH Goodie :thumbup:

[Ice Cycle]

Right... but what I meant was key things regarding the hospital visit. I guess I should have included that in my post. :blushing:


Well here is the reason I think it is key, suppose the girl's family did not get her to the hospital till about 6:30 or 7:00 (thinking maybe she had the flu or something), they took her back right away and after testing and realizing what it was they had her a stay a few extra hours until it wore off and to monitor her to make sure she was ok. Say they released her about 12:00 but the hospital did not report it to the police till about 1:00 thus them going to MH about 2:00 am. But the thing is if LE originally found them arriving home then that would half to mean she would of just given it to her , where if they found her at the park-could of meant more.
Just trying to figure out the time frame but even that is kind of stretching it because seems like it would of wore off way before that.

[Anakerie]

MH's lawyer has decided to NOT ask for an exhumation given that the ME did a thorough job and preserved samples. GOOD NEWS !!




http://www.ktvu.com/news/19236187/detail.html

Good to know the gag order applies only to possible witnesses to be called thus far.
The San Francisco Chronicle had an article about the exhumation request being dropped this afternoon.. It made me go post about it on my blog..

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/21/BAFI176FFO.DTL

[aproudmom]

YEAH for you. I appreciate the help since I'm lame at screen shots.

What is
RC/AS received call/At scene
DI/AS Dispatched/At scene
DI/CC Dispatched/Closed case
?????????anyone know????what those mean I am just guessing

[oodi]

Well here is the reason I think it is key, suppose the girl's family did not get her to the hospital till about 6:30 or 7:00 (thinking maybe she had the flu or something), they took her back right away and after testing and realizing what it was they had her a stay a few extra hours until it wore off and to monitor her to make sure she was ok. Say they released her about 12:00 but the hospital did not report it to the police till about 1:00 thus them going to MH about 2:00 am. But the thing is if LE originally found them arriving home then that would half to mean she would of just given it to her, where if they found her at the park-could of meant more.
Just trying to figure out the time frame.


According to the call log from LE: http://i40.tinypic.com/t62jic.jpg

LE was called to the hospital at 10pm. It doesn't state when the girl was discharged.

It also sounds like it was the hospital that called LE, as the call log states that RP (Reporting Party) has no info on the mother. So it obviously wasn't the mother that called LE from the hospital. I'm assuming that the hospital immediately called LE once they got the tox screen back... that would be the prudent thing to do.