Tuesday April 21

[Pia]

Praying today is the day Haleigh comes home....

[FrankieBones1]

Just finished listening to Kristina's interview with the Bald Truth. Egads! What language is she speaking?

[beachpatty]

Just finished listening to Kristina's interview with the Bald Truth. Egads! What language is she speaking?

it used to be called "jive" i dunno what they call it now. i think that the population increase in biracial people is causing this new "language" to evolve.

MOO
beachpatty

[Peaches]

but didn't a neighbor already say she saw Haleigh out playing after RC went to work?

You are correct....................a neighbor did see Haleigh out playing after Ron went to work.

Also, LE stated that Ron was at work.

Can you understand why this question is asked so often?

Knowing that Ron was at work after Haleigh was seen -- along with everyone including Crystal saying how much he loved Haleigh -- his sheer fear when he found she was missing -- etc...............makes me know that he did nothing to his daughter.

MOO

Good to see you today.

[crymeariver2006]

but didn't a neighbor already say she saw Haleigh out playing after RC went to work?

According to Capt. Schauland, the only person outside of Misty to see Haleigh was a neighbor who saw her "earlier in the evening". Never gave a time or said what she was doing that I recall.

He never mentioned the brother, the a/c guy, or GGM Sykes.

:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Now that you mention it, no, I don't recall Sykes ever saying it...just TN.

She (GGM Sykes) came out a couple of days after TN's revelation that she "sent a family member over there" and admitted it was her.

There's an article around here somewhere, but the whole thing was strange in that TN's revelation was in response to NG asking about whether Misty was there ALL NIGHT and minds greater than mine have wondered how GGM Sykes visit at 7:00 proves that Misty was there ALL NIGHT.

[titanfan217]

I don't recall Sykes being there the night of the 911 call to report Haleigh missing. I know RC called TN and she was there. Her name in on the police reports.


According to Sykes, she was there 10 minutes after Haleigh was gone. At least I'm 99% that was the exact word. I thought that was interesting since I don't think anyone has been able to determine anything to close when Haleigh was actually taken.

There is some video with Sykes about being there. At least I don't think I dreamed it.

[Owlface]

You are correct....................a neighbor did see Haleigh out playing after Ron went to work.

Also, LE stated that Ron was at work.

Can you understand why this question is asked so often?

Knowing that Ron was at work after Haleigh was seen -- along with everyone including Crystal saying how much he loved Haleigh -- his sheer fear when he found she was missing -- etc...............makes me know that he did nothing to his daughter.

MOO

Good to see you today.

I don't doubt that Ron loved Haleigh - she looks to be a very lovable child and everyone who sees those pictures of her "loves" her. If 1/2 of the rumors about Ron have even an iota of truthfulness, then it's clear to me that he didn't love her enough to protect her from shady people. Love is an action, not a feeling.

Also, I didn't get fear from him I saw guilt.

It is constantly amazing to me how people can look at the same information, pictures etc. and come to such totally different conclusions. Obviously one interprets things according to their own experiences, morals, beliefs and actions. This isn't a comment on you, Peaches, but on posters in general.

[titanfan217]

I was looking for the video of Sykes. So far haven't found that one but did find the one where Crystal's mom talks about not being able to talk with the children on the phone.

Also, if you watch this, look carefully where they are showing cars being stopped. There is one couple that at first glance and even second, looks like the grandfather/pastor in the California case.

http://www.news4jax.com/video/18691388/index.html

[crymeariver2006]

Did she? I take your word for it cry, please don't bother searching on my account. Minds greater than mine remember a lot of thing that I don't. Then when I read them here or on other sites, the light bulb goes on. That's the beauty of places like these, imo.

The covering for Misty is all about Ron, imo. I think they'd throw her under the bus in a heartbeat if it didn't reflect on Ron allowing someone that just got off a 3 day drug/alcohol fog to watch his children that night.

MO

Of course, that's why TN said she "sent a family member over there to check on the kids and drop off clothes".

Why would anyone need to "check on the kids" if Misty was this fine, upstanding babysitter who had been there all weekend?

[nana6]

Doubt it...I would think they are laying low, hoping all of this will blow over, I am sure they are not too proud of him after the latest events.IMO

Hi Grma, I have been out of the loop/ Can you tell me about the latest events you are speaking of please?

[crymeariver2006]

I don't recall anyone using the words "sent a family member over there to check on the kids and drop off clothes". I did read where GGM stopped by to drop off some clothes.

TN said it on NG.

[crymeariver2006]

But the BOLO WAS issued?

Wasn't it?

Yes it was.

And then it was cancelled.

They're usually cancelled because whoever they are to "be on the lookout" for has been located.

[crymeariver2006]

I disagree that anyone stated she went over there to check on the children.

That's your choice.

I'm not going to argue about something that anybody who watched NG that night saw and heard.

[CANDYKISSES]

AND on the same toten it has NOT BEEN PROVEN that he WAS at home either.

The same holds true for Chad, Johnny and Crystal IMO.:ohmy:

[CANDYKISSES]

Nobody knows for sure who is instigating this latest round of gossip and fodder. But the breadcrumbs certainly lead back to the KP, AH, WS crew and a need to disparage Ron Cummings after the videos of Greg.

LE had the information they tried to pedal, so they had to devise another plan and nobody knows who was instrumental in the events of the night before last IMO.

The drug bust was a long time coming given all the agencies involved and was likely why they didn't want civilians out in the woods etc...

JMO

[Peaches]

According to Sykes, she was there 10 minutes after Haleigh was gone. At least I'm 99% that was the exact word. I thought that was interesting since I don't think anyone has been able to determine anything to close when Haleigh was actually taken.

There is some video with Sykes about being there. At least I don't think I dreamed it.



Don't you thnk she meant to say that she was there 10 minutes after Ron called her that Haleigh was missing.

After all, this was just after she had found out her granddaughter was missing. She was frightened to say the least.

ALL MVOO

[crymeariver2006]

This is actually all I have been able to find about what TN said on NG. This is the third transcript I have gone through. Not sure how many times she was on...

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I believe that she was. To the best of my knowledge, she was there. I had a family member there that night checking on the children, dropping off some clothes. So I know up to a point that she was definitely there. There`s no doubt in my mind that she was there, you know?


http://cayleesangels.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/ng-transcript-haleigh-cummings-case/

Now I don't know if she meant that she SENT GGM Sykes there or if she is just saying "I had" because of the dialect down here.
Or she could have meant something like she is the one who sent the clothes home...I have no idea but that is what I have found that she actually said....
Last night I had paramedics next door but I didn't call them or send them there...That is how I mean. It could be just the way she talks...I don't know either way.

Thank you! The part I bolded about "checking on the children" is the point I was making to bam bam.

So, bam bam if you're reading this, there is the quote about TN sending someone to "check on the children".

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA.....why haven't they been cleared yet...


Don't be surprised if one or more of them aren't at the bottom of this latest attack concerning Amber. I think this was cooked up by KP, Cobra and Art. KP has no real money to work with, so my money says she has to use the in-house players for dirty work. JMO THO.

It's a way to control Amber and NayNay and incite Ron by the accusations about him fathering Amber's child and doing nothing as KP's own client hides under the cloak of inconsistencies in her own child support issue.

The last one regarding her having it come out of her check....or so she thought didn't even get a hit much less any credibility IMO. :thumbdown:

I refuse to believe CRYSTAL thought the support was coming out of her check.....:rolleyes: but do believe we will hear Kim interjecting Crystal's tenth grade education as a defense in the court room. Simple mathematics is pretty much completed by the fifth grade IMO.

[?noanswer]

I'm glad to hear that . Makes Cobra a little more credible in my book. But i still have to wonder why he gave them a ride.

When a bonding co. bonds someone out, isn't there a % of the bond amount required to be paid to the bonding Co.? If so, wonder who paid that. LP paid it for CA. JMO

[Peaches]

I can see you haven't dealt with this type of situation...him grabbing Jordan and leaving makes perfect sense...if there is no custody established by the court as soon as he has the child out of that house LE can't do anything about it. My SIL came to my place of work, my daughter worked here also and grabbed the child and was trying to leave, the police were called and they couldn't do anything about it without court papers, they threatened him with disturbing the peace and he left without my grandson, only to go to the school the next day and take him...he had him hid for 3 months. IMO


I know that that was frightening for both you and your daughter......

But...........Ron has not established that he is the father of this young child as far as WE all know. So, he could not get away with just taking him.

MOO

[crymeariver2006]

And you are blowing smoke, there is NO proof he was over there. Just RUMORS, he was not arrested or trespassed. So IMO that tells me he was not over there. Sure made for an interesting day of rumors though. Right???

So there was no 911 call?

Why was a BOLO issued then?

[crymeariver2006]

Well it did take Crystal off the conversation of the message boards and put the focus on AH and the bounty hunter, so you tell me..

Not for long. As soon as it was determined that there was a BOLO issued, the subject here quickly turned from anything wrong that Ron could have done to EVERYTHING in her life that Crystal has done or been accused of doing.

As usual.

JMO

[Peaches]

And being a red neck,uneducated or poor does not make someone a bad parent. I think what makes a good parent is someone who shares their love, time and energy with their children regardless of income.


WHOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This is what I have said all along. A good parent gives themself.

Money does not buy everything!

Children need to know that they are loved. Giving your time and your love are most important! And, my personal belief is that you need to instill in your children from a early age right from wrong.

I believe that as a parent you must set a good example for your children. You teach your children by showing them love for God, your family, others, etc.MOO

AND............these babies are watching and learning you can count on that!

All MOO

[crymeariver2006]

FA, I don't know just what happened or didn't. Jr. went to the door, black guy on side of house, Ron in car, Ron & black guy standing next to car, 10 pm, bolo on, bolo off, etc.

What I won't agree with if some/any/all of this happened, is both those kids should have been in bed. I am not going to let a 20 mth. old seeing anyone at that time of night. And I am not going to send a 4 yr old to someones door at that time of night.
jmo

It was never said that Jordan ever went to the door at 10 p.m.

The grandmother answered the door. Jordan did not. For all we know he WAS in the bed. Jr. wasn't though.

[Peaches]

when all else fails go back to Chad, Johnny and Crystal IMO


LE said that EVERYONE is suspect..............so that includes them.

MOO

[TealMermaid]

WHAT's going on? I haven't seen anything new in the news about this case.

What are you all talking about? What happened? Please fill me in.:confused:

[Peaches]

Jordon is 20 months old and did not answer the door.

When someone is high on drugs all the time like RC is their action do not make sense.

I am just glad he was unable to pull it off and the baby is safe.

Destiny..................why would you say that Ron is high on drugs all the time?

Where have you seen this printed/stated and by whom?

If this is just your opinion, please say that so that it is not taken as the truth....................Thank you.

[Peaches]

A four yr old at the door at 10PM wanting to play doesn't make sense to me. Didn't Misty say they are in bed by 8PM?


No, Tiffany, she said that Haleigh was in bed at 8 because it was a school night. Ron, Jr. is not in school and can sleep in.

MOO

[Peaches]

Oh i'm sorry i didn't know it was..........

Well I hope Amber goes to court and askes for child support. Jordon deserves it.

So i guess Ron knew all along it was his son :( . I thought he just said it was possible. oh well ,...i'm wrong again. Thank you for letting me know about the birth certificate.



FA.............from all the information I have read, his name is NOT on the birth certificate.

[titanfan217]

I disagree that anyone stated she went over there to check on the children.

You'll probably still disagree with me but I recall that she (TN) said "check on". I'm not sure if she said the children or them.

This would have been about the time that the rumors 1st came out, at least on HLN that MC was not home all evening. TN tried to say she was 'cause of a family member checking but did not say or what time.

[Dunlurken]

Do you know for a fact it is not... I hope not that would be the first smart thing she has done. IMO
Do you know for a fact it is? These young women are so stupid. If you list the father on the BC he has rights. It's better to put "unknown". JMO. Then put the DNA test out there and find out who the father is.

Birth Certificates are ludicrous this day and age. DNA is what matters.

[Peaches]

Don't be surprised if one or more of them aren't at the bottom of this latest attack concerning Amber. I think this was cooked up by KP, Cobra and Art. KP has no real money to work with, so my money says she has to use the in-house players for dirty work. JMO THO.

It's a way to control Amber and NayNay and incite Ron by the accusations about him fathering Amber's child and doing nothing as KP's own client hides under the cloak of inconsistencies in her own child support issue.

The last one regarding her having it come out of her check....or so she thought didn't even get a hit much less any credibility IMO. :thumbdown:

I refuse to believe CRYSTAL thought the support was coming out of her check.....:rolleyes: but do believe we will hear Kim interjecting Crystal's tenth grade education as a defense in the court room. Simple mathematics is pretty much completed by the fifth grade IMO.


That bunch is just slinging MUD everywhere --- trying to make it stick on Ron.

BTW.........if you make $8.00 per hour and work 40 weeks...........even a person with a 5th grade education would know how much you would bring home. Check stubs plainly show what was taken out..........and if you pay over $300 a month, this would be very noticeable.

MOO

[?noanswer]

9:30 a.m.

Cobra called me tell me that he did indeed bail out Amber Brooks, mother of Ronald Cummings 20-month-old disabled son, and Kristina Rene Prevatt, aka "Nay Nay" and person who hooked up Misty Cummings and Greg Page for drugs and sex encounter the weekend before Haleigh vanished. (see 4/20/09 for arrest details). This was first reported by a good friend Art Harris at www.artharris.com (http://www.artharris.com)

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php[/quote (http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php[/quote)

Seems T J Hart might be full of himself. In addition to the statement below he is crying because he was cut off on JVM and could not say everything he wanted to.

"The basis of our investigation is identifying associates of Ron and Misty, their relastionships and shared behaviors, as we try to piece together who might or might not have played a part in the abduction of 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings."

I guess he and Cobra have taken over the investigation for LE. JMO

[beachpatty]

Granny Sykes is old. She probably has gone by the house many times and dropped off clothes for the children that she washed but it does not mean she did it that day for certain. Or that she can remember every time specifically that she has been by there. Especially since that information was not available until much later in the investigation.

I wonder why the kids eat out on the porch??:confused:

Florida lifestyle, not usually called a "porch" generally called a lanai, Florida room, screen room or sun room.

MOO
Beachpatty

[Peaches]

well heck IMO so does Crystal. but that doesn't mean she IS high. Heck i've looked high before because of lack of sleep and i've NEVER even tried drugs or cigarettes.


Everytime I see a picture of Crystal in my mind, I see her digging at her eyes trying to make tears. That was a shame.

BTW............I do not know if Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh missing but I do not think she would hurt her child.

MOO

[Dunlurken]

You sure do, I can see and comprehend it. And, I agree with you, misty and ronnie both seem to me to be high in the many videos of them that I have seen. imo.

If they were high, they couldn't have "passed" the polygraph. Child gone. Their fault. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Granny Sykes is the great-grandmother and personally I do not think great-grandmothers should be taken advantage of and asked to baby sit children.

She's only 42. LMAO. Just kidding, but it's entirely possible in their world. JMO.

[Peaches]

I already have a disclaimer stating that everything I post is my opinion. Everything you post is nothing more than opinion also.

To answer your question, all you have to do is look at any interview RC is in and he is as high a kite. He was so high in one interview he couldn't even stand up and had to lay on the ground so he made a drama production out of it and put on a show for the camera. Ray Charles could see that.
My opinion of course. Just call it like it is.

Destiny................I always say if something is MOO.

Also, I do not think that Ron is always on drugs.

And..............we ALL have those..........opinions that is.:laugh:

[?noanswer]

Has anyone seen anything about the 911 call from Amber's babysitter and the subsequent bolo on RC in any media source except TJ Hart and AH? One would think that other sources would have at least mentioned it. Has TJH or AH made any changes to their account of what happened? JMO

[?noanswer]

Your link doesn't work.

I was irritated that JVM let her two blowhard guests cut TJ off like that. Why have him on if you're not going to let him talk?

Still don't understand why people get upset over ANYONE trying to find out what happened to Haleigh. :confused:

Sorry, too late to edit. Try this:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

I am not upset about anyone trying to find out what happened to Haleigh. I just think that TJ and his buddies have an ulterior motive. If they gave the information to LE and did not try to sensationalize it, I would think they are sincere. JMO

[Peaches]

My bold

You don't have to old to not remember things.

Maybe old grannies shouldn't watch kids either, they might go the bathroom and come out and forget they had kids to watch. Even tho there are plenty of grannies out there that do watch young'ns. kwim??
jmo



And...........I hope that many of these younger people remember the alternative to getting old. :laugh:

Many senior citizens have great memories.

And, many grammies watch their grandbabies because they love to be with them..............I know from experience that you can not forget you have them. They are doing something all the time.

moo

[Dunlurken]

Your link doesn't work.

I was irritated that JVM let her two blowhard guests cut TJ off like that. Why have him on if you're not going to let him talk?

Still don't understand why people get upset over ANYONE trying to find out what happened to Haleigh. :confused:

I think we know what happened to Haleigh. Misty either passed out or left the home. The trailer had been watched and the perp knew Ron was at work late at night, so they came in and grabbed her and she's probably in some child porn show as we speak, or else deceased. JMO.

[Peaches]

Granny Sykes is the great-grandmother and personally I do not think great-grandmothers should be taken advantage of and asked to baby sit children.


With babies having babies, many great-grandmothers are young.

BTW.........maybe these GGM's do not feel taken advantage of...........they love their GGC and want to be with them.

Of course, destiny, this is MVOO because my sister is under 60 and a GGM and LOVES it when she has her GGC.

[titanfan217]

I've been thinking about this BOLO thing today....

How in the world can someone lure a 20 month old out of the house?

Ok lets say Ron went there to kidnap the baby. Why in the world would he send Jr up to the door to lure the 20 month old to come out? I hate to say this but when my children were 20 months old they didn't answer the door.

So let me get this straight...was something like this suppose to happen?...........jr goes to the door and says Hi may I speak to Jordon...Then Jordon comes to the door and what then? Ron grabs the baby and drives off?

Just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying he wasn't there...heck i'm not even going to say it didn't happen.. Just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm ALMOST starting to believe the rumors Ron works for the police. Because does anyone find it odd Ron was spotted over there and then less then 12 hours later the LE made multiple arrest from that home..........


Just my thoughts...........sorry if they don't make sense.


I'm not buying the kidnapping theory either.

I do think that a small child, possibly JR went to the door. I don't think he was alone but maybe whoever answered didn't see the other person the 1st time though I sure would have checked that one out.

I'm also guessing that someone(s) in the house saw a car, at least similar to RC's.

As far as the rest, this is just another guess, but they may have been outstanding warrants that hadn't reached the top of the list, but when they were there, they discovered 'em & bingo.


These are more brainstorming, not even sure they can be classified as an opinion.

[TealMermaid]

We weren't talking about Haleigh missing....we were talking about the BOLO put out for RC.....the 3 had nothing to do with that.

But to answer you...no one has been cleared....as you well know IMO

What is the BOLO?:confused:

[Peaches]

People that have been to the Haleighbug center have said that Crystal is sticken with grief.

Saying that she was "digging at her eyes trying to make tears" is cruel.


Ron is grief stricken...........but that does not stop the digs at him.

Crystal was digging in her eyes...............the truth.

MOO

BTW...........Haleighbug is never open most of the time so how would you know when to go by..............MOO

[Peaches]

Sorry, too late to edit. Try this:

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

I am not upset about anyone trying to find out what happened to Haleigh. I just think that TJ and his buddies have an ulterior motive. If they gave the information to LE and did not try to sensationalize it, I would think they are sincere. JMO


I think you are correct..............an ulterior motive.............media attention. moo

[titanfan217]

i'm confused about all of this. so what if jr went to the door. maybe he just wanted to play. how does all this equal to luring a 20 month old to the door. does the 20 month old normally answer his grandma's door?

If it was at 10 p.m., I'd doubt he came to play.

[Dunlurken]

MOO

BTW...........Haleighbug is never open most of the time so how would you know when to go by..............MOO

snipping to address:

It was probably opened as a tax write-off suggested by that Kim woman. JMO. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Peaches]

That is what he said and admitted that he takes prescription drugs. Doesn't mean prescribed for him. And prescription drugs are commonly abused.



This is so not true.................prescriptin drugs abused. I know many people who must have drugs to live. They are not misused.

Also, for pain...............cancer is cruel and many people must have pain killers at the end of their lives. Thank God for the knowledge that drugs dull the pain.

Both Crystal and Ron have been given prescriptions in order to cope with Haleigh being missing.

MOO

[titanfan217]

The same holds true for Chad, Johnny and Crystal IMO.:ohmy:

??? I thought we were talking about Sunday night. Are they suspects in something then?

[TealMermaid]

Could someone PLEASE post a link or tell me what's going on? I have no idea what you're all talking about.:confused:

[?noanswer]

Just thought of something. Some posters have suggested this is a copy cat of Caylee and whomever did it wanted to get money. What if Haleigh is dead and they left the body in the area where Caylee was found? JMO

[titanfan217]

Sykes said:

She said she last saw Haleigh outside on the porch eating dinner at 7 p.m. on Monday.

"Her and Junior were sitting up there with a plate in their lap and eating. When we drove up they hollered, 'Hey Granny. Hey Granny,' like they always do," Sykes said.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/18751152/detail.html


I'm still trying find out who the "WE" is. Did she have a mouse in her pocket?

[Peaches]

I saw the same interview you saw and she was wiping her eyes which were very red and swollen from crying. That is not the same as digging for tears.

I have not once seen a tear escape from RC. I have seen him do a lot of whinning and forced out words to Haleigh on the camera but no sign of actual grief.



I guess we do not see the same thing when looking at the very same pictures.

I see no tears for Crystal...............I am not saying that she is not sad that her child is missing.............all I see is lots of eyemakeup and no tears.

I think that Ron is heartbroken.

MOO as usual.

[?noanswer]

Could someone PLEASE post a link or tell me what's going on? I have no idea what you're all talking about.:confused:

Go to yesterday's thread. You'll be able to read about everything. JMO

[TealMermaid]

Teal...read the last link on the links page....about Ron going to Ambers house

Thanks!:wink:

[angellaw]

Be On The Look Out...in this case it was for Ron...it has been reported

I know I've been wrapped up in the SC case, I really missed something here..what has Ron been reported for or doing? sorry I have no time to catc up...

BTW Hi KKKKKKatie

[Peaches]

Ron's name was on both of his children's birth certificate, yet he had to prove paternity with DNA in order for the courts to recognize him as the father. Had Ron and Crystal been married a DNA would not have been required. If Ron's name had been on Amber's child's BC, she would not be collecting welfare and Ron would have to prove he was NOT the father or he would be paying CS.
A unwed mother can put any man's name on the BC,but to collect CS she has to prove in the Florida court's he is the father to collect it. The courts in Florida will ORDER a DNA from the potential father. The life style Amber has and is living, she probably needs to go on jerry Springer because she would probably have to go through dozens of DNA's. MOO


And that is why Ron said what he did when asked if he had another child. He said -----------maybe or something along these lines but he did/does not know for sure.

Bam Bam..............thank you for your post. You do a great job!

MOO

[TealMermaid]

Teal...read the last link on the links page....about Ron going to Ambers house

I can't find the link about Ron going to Amber's house on the link page. :confused:Would someone please post it? Thanks

[CANDYKISSES]

??? I thought we were talking about Sunday night. Are they suspects in something then?

I am not buying for one minute that Ron took an accomplice to USE A CHILD in an effort to LURE another CHILD out of the house out of the clear blue sky. Sorry, that dog doesn't hunt here.

I might buy someone like Kim being at the helm with Cobra WHO JUST COINCIDENTALLY wrapped up with Richard Grund and is flat broke more than likely.....would set something up using some of the other players such as Johnny and put a bug in Ron's ear to lure him into trouble....

You know, like last time when Cobra got so ANGRY because RON BEAT HIM AT HIS OWN GAME.

None of this is about finding Haleigh, rather it is about poor choices of the past and trying to enable a woman into VICTIMHOOD IMO. They have polished Crystal up and Kim has been the conductor from where I stand. Cobra, Art and anyone else in the lineup are flunkies she's using to try and incite Ron, so she can go on the record for taking this man down if nothing else.

Well, the whole lot of them are DOWN PRETTY LOW, and nobody seems to be looking for MISSING HALEIGH CUMMINGS and it sickens me to the core. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ARE A DISGRACE TO HUMANITY IMO. :thumbdown:

:wub:Someone pay attention and FIND HALEIGH CUMMINGS!

P.S. COBRA = RON ALL GROWN UP IMOO. barf

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=madameX;13028288]*********snipped************
Do Ron and/or Misty have cancer? I don't know what that has to do with QUOTE]


I was responding to -----------prescriptin drugs abused by many.........not anyone in particular.

I do not know if Ron or Misty have cancer but they are working on "lung cancer" with all that smoking. MOO


:seeya:out of here!

[beachpatty]

It absolutely is true. With all the drugs in that small town you can bet that RC knows where to go to buy someone's prescription drugs. People get doctors to write them presciptions and then they sell the pills.

There are also cases in which drug addicts steal the drugs that are prescribed for a family member with cancer and either sell the drugs or take them. That also is drug abuse.


ITA or they get them from the VA for free or a very low copay, then sell them to supplement their fixed incomes. i know a lady who's hubby gets them from the VA, and her son takes them to school to sell, they are both out if work and he gets a small VA disability pension. Prescription drugs are now big street business, many people use the walk in clinics that are just fronts for pain med scripts, they are always busting them, in this area.

MOO
Beachpatty

[titanfan217]

That bunch is just slinging MUD everywhere --- trying to make it stick on Ron.

BTW.........if you make $8.00 per hour and work 40 weeks...........even a person with a 5th grade education would know how much you would bring home. Check stubs plainly show what was taken out..........and if you pay over $300 a month, this would be very noticeable.

MOO

You'd be surprised how little some people know about pay & taxes, and some of them have a high school education or above. I worked 10 years with state income tax and should have written a book.

[Peaches]

She has been in Baker county recuperating. Haleigh Bug House was just too much work for her. Work is a strange and difficult word to use in her presence. Hard to stay on her drugs and stay in public at the same time. MOO:wink:

bam bam..........you made me laugh.

[CANDYKISSES]

I guess we do not see the same thing when looking at the very same pictures.

I see no tears for Crystal...............I am not saying that she is not sad that her child is missing.............all I see is lots of eyemakeup and no tears.

I think that Ron is heartbroken.

MOO as usual.

Shortly after the myspace makeover, Crystal had a makeover for the FOX interview with the RIVERA BROTHERS....:wink: JMO, but she was wearing a turquoise top IIRC and had her make-up on like she wore it in the old myspace pics.

I never witnessed an interview with Crystal dropping a tear until several weeks into this tragedy, and then it was when she was trying to get something going because too many people were commenting on her only seeing the children every two weeks and why she didn't have custody yet moved so far away from them.
JMO

:wub:PLEASE BRING HALEIGH CUMMINGS BACK!

[TealMermaid]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

Thanks for the link. Very interesting!

[angellaw]

[QUOTE=KKKKKKatie;13028295]Good to see you angel...here



Thanks Katie...dang I did miss a few things:ohmy:

[CANDYKISSES]

well you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear so if Crystal is all "polished up" then she had it in her from the beginning, someone just didn't want her light to shine and make them look bad, IMO

MadameX, I was addressing her REPUTATION regarding the "polishing up".

You know, the myspace makeover, the new excuse for her failure to support the children, the idea she was forced to take drugs:sneaky: (refer to the Geraldo interview for clarification - NOT SO MUCH), the revelations about her never seeing any abuse from Ron growing into having photos but doing nothing when they visited, the party bunch photos removed from the web, and the excuses Kim makes for her lack of personal responsibility.

JMO.

Nobody should have to put another human being's light out to make their own shine IMO Madame. That's about as fake as her reporting that felony and slowly backing out of LE's clutches from where I stand.

From what I read of Crystal and her buddies on the web, she was content just the way things were. Then when Haleigh went missing and she was called to task on what gives the appearance of abandoning her children with no support and going on to start a new family, SHE BECAME DISTRAUGHT. See the quote below. I believe she put herself first, and didn't like being called out on it, hence the beginning of attacking Ron Cummings. It's just sad as Haleigh and Junior were the real victims of two selfish parents from what I see. :crying:

[titanfan217]

Does she drive? Maybe someone else drove her over?

If there was someone with her, why haven't we heard that person saw Haleigh?

[CANDYKISSES]

and hard to keep the center open with all it must entail, and take care of a disabled child, and mourn for your lost child, and have the public witness something so very personal, and worry about your son, who is being raised by a 17 YO, and worry about having more seizures on top of everything else.

What disabled child is Crystal taking care of please? :confused:

[?noanswer]

Speaking of which, how do I find that booking info site that we were all looking at yesterday? I searched Putnam Co but I couldn't find that actual page. TIA


http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx



JMO

[beachpatty]

Patty you better be careful there...you might have someone knocking on your door wanting to know who these people are...:tonguewag:


i know nothing :wink: trust me, the cops are really busy here with the real criminals, if they chased every drug reference on the inet, they wouldn't be able to keep up.

MOO
Beachpatty

[CANDYKISSES]

That is what he said and admitted that he takes prescription drugs. Doesn't mean prescribed for him. And prescription drugs are commonly abused.

I hope whoever allegedly prescribed the XANAX for Crystal told her the dangers of abusing XANAX and how addictive it can be. We wouldn't want to hear of someone forcing her to take it in the future. JMOOC. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

I would love to hear from the AC guy.

Earlier someone posted the AC guy never saw Haleigh.....:confused:

I don't know where that came from. So where is the birth certificate and info regarding the child of Amber Brooks?
jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

She has seizures so xanax is most likely not prescribed for her.

So is Art lying about what he alleges being told by Crystal now?:confused:

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/02/exclusive-chrystal-sheffield-car-wreck/#more-1443

jmo:scared:

[crymeariver2006]

IIRC Crystal had a court hearing the next day over her back child support payments for her children.

Can it be proved she and Chad were NOT in the area overnight in order to be there for the court date?

Have all family members been questioned as to if Crystal was in town overnight?
All motel records checked?

I hope so.

She DID NOT have a court hearing on 2/9. The court date was set for 2/27. The notice was sent 2/9.

[crymeariver2006]

She has been in Baker county recuperating. Haleigh Bug House was just too much work for her. Work is a strange and difficult word to use in her presence. Hard to stay on her drugs and stay in public at the same time. MOO:wink:

Really? Do you have proof of that?

Your hatred for Crystal is troubling.

MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

It is the one where she walks to him, kneels down beside him and puts her arm around him...:biggrin:

Now Pia, you know she is terrified of him, don't you? :rolleyes:

Please don't put anything out there that speaks to the situation as it REALLY IS AND WAS IMO. Some of the support she draws is reserved for the abused down trodden woman and much effort has been put into giving Crystal a NEW HISTORY IMOO. :ohmy:

[Peaches]

Let me channel Nancy Grace for a moment: eek eek rubbing her eyes, even scottie boy peterson managed to squeak out a dry tear or two.

From the 911 call forward, ronald cummings is a case study in bad acting, imo.



And Crystal with all her shaking could NOT rub those tears out.

imoo

[Peaches]

I believe Jordan is being labeled disabled (although to what extend IDK) because his skull has failed to close properly after birth

He belongs to Amber not Crystal..............Why would Crystal be taking care of him?

[bama__angel]

The abuse claims when they were made, after her making those statements, seeing her comforting Ron (on more than one occasion) is what put the idea of her hiding Haleigh into my head. Watching one of her interviews (I don't remember which one) just something clicked. The child support hearing, the timing of the abuse allegations, her actions concerning Ron and Misty...I would have been clawing out their eyes...., more recently Wayanne Kruger being involved way before any abuse allegations were made, she saying she was going to help find an attorney for Crystal and then abruptly leaving...just little things like that started festering in my brain....Now I am not going to go all out and say that I KNOW she has her hidden, but I do think it is possible...and I will add that I hope and pray to God that she does.


I have prayed that Crystal has Haleigh hidden away for whatever her reasons are......Crystal would never hurt her children........At least we would all know that Haleigh is safe IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Really? Do you have proof of that?

Your hatred for Crystal is troubling.

MOO

Oh for crying out loud, it's not just bambam imo, the lengths posters are willing to go in an effort to enable her is more than troubling. I've never seen so much excuse making going on and it's happening on both sides of the coin IMO.

These are people who willingly took part in illegal drug activities and enjoyed it, oops then pregnancies and trauma imo.

All of these children deserve better judging by what I've seen and read, and there are no INNOCENTS IN THIS other than the children IMO. :sad:

[Peaches]

Is that the same one showing Crystal standing beside him comforting him or the one with her leaning on his shoulder comforting him at the candle light service?


bam bam.........at the candle light service, I saw Crystal move her chair over to sit beside Ron and Ron, Jr. Did you see that?

moo

[Texas48]

If RC did have JR there to lure out Amber's child, I feel for the grandmother who has nothing to do with any of this having to live in that kind of fear. If I were her I would get some type of court order giving her temporary custody and get out of there for a while till this all settles down. IMOITA grma..Amber's GM did not ask for any attention in this mess and IMO Amber's baby has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing and I don't think the baby's name should be put on a message board..

[CANDYKISSES]

There has never been a statement from LE saying that Crystal was anywhere near that trailer on the night Haleigh disappeared.
snipped.

:thumbup:

AND????

She and Chad remain UNCLEARED just like the rest of the bunch IMO.

:sneaky:

[crymeariver2006]

They were satisfied with the 8 hours in question, not the entire evening.

No one has been ruled out, not even Ronald.

moo

Because no one remembers the last part of the LE statement - his work is his alibi, yes, but they don't know what happened to Haleigh nor what time it happened.

[Texas48]

Yes it was issued. I guess according to bam bam since it is such a small town both cops were at the residence and did not bother to send one over to Ron's house to check it out.

Generally a BOLO is issued when they cannot locate the suspect at home.You may want to get your facts straight before you post them...BOLO does NOT always mean there is a *suspect* involved...

[crymeariver2006]

But she doesn't need Ron, she has her Miami Attorney, Big name Bounty hunter and Big time writer AH.
And.... Don't worry about wasting his time and money on his battle to his lawful rights..Hope PDM does not have any problems with employment laws. You know how other employees like to talk and jump on the band wagon for any time they have not paid to employees what they legally have earned. MOO


He would have had to sign a copy of their employment agreement when he went to work there. It plainly says an employee can be terminated at any time, with or without cause. It's apparently gotten the blessings in years past from the Florida Department of Labor.

Is he going to plead ignorant to what that means or is he going to say one of those other bandwagon employees forged his name?

[CANDYKISSES]

oh yes I'm sure alot of other employees are going to jump on the bandwagon in support of Ron and jeopardize their won jobs in this day and age when they are so hard to come by.......why didn't Ron just pick up the phone with them once a week or so? I know I would have if it had been me, the last thing I would have needed was to loose my job, too

ITA about Ron not calling in weekly and letting them know the status concerning when he would return to work or IF PDM had a deadline for his leave. That said, they could have told him to take all the time he needed, and that he could come back that MONDAY IF HE WANTED TO....meaning the Monday after February 10th, but he was rolling on with the first part where they MAY HAVE TOLD HIM to take all the time he needed.

EITHER WAY, he was derelict in his duty as an employee IF HE EXPECTED to have a job to return to IMOO.

Now, back to Crystal and the XANAX. Are you implying that Art Harris was lying about his interview with Crystal concerning the XANAX?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/02/exclusive-chrystal-sheffield-car-wreck/#more-1443
:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

OK Thanks.
I don't suppose I could talk you into a link for that date of 2/27 huh? :blushing:

If not, I'll have to look when I return. Got grandkids to take home this afternoon....


I didn't save the link but somebody posted it the other day when you posted that she had to be in court on the 9th.

I replied that she had to be in court on the 26th (that I recalled), but whoever posted the link said it was the 27th.

[crymeariver2006]

So what? :confused:

I'm surprised they didn't say she was too lazy to move the chair and got Ron's great great great great grandmother of 87 to move it for her.

[CANDYKISSES]

IMO, LE is not looking at Crystal or any of her family and friends in this abduction, they are looking right in that trailer at misty and ronald. It can be said a thousand times that no one has been cleared, but I think the only people they suspect are the trailer dwellers, ronnie and misty.

While you may THINK THAT JO, IT IS NOT WHAT LE HAS PUT OUT THERE and we all know that IMO. :sneaky:

[crymeariver2006]

But their press release gave a cause that he is denying. Not saying if either are right or what/how the law applies but if they wanted to go by that policy they should have never said WHY in the press.

The way I see it, if he can prove what he says is true, I don't see why he can't get them for wrongful termination now that they gave a reason.

It doesn't matter if they give a cause or not, or if it's to the public or not. He is employed at their pleasure and discretion for as long as they see fit.

He cannot win a wrongful termination suit based on them saying they let him go because he "abandoned" his job. That's exactly what he did.

[Texas48]

well i have no clue why the children were eating on the porch but i can tell you that myself and hubby love to eat dinner on our deck and look at the water. When our grandbabies are here they have a little picnic table and they loved to eat on the screen in porch.

and yep maybe Sykes is lying or she messed up the days...i can buy anything today.I've given up on EVERYONE in this case except for the children and i hope they are ALL put into foster care.Maybe is some eyes *only* rednecks eat out on the porch..or the poor or the uneducated..??hmm.why in the world would anyone ask such a question....just something to post? Good gollies..

[Peaches]

oh yes I'm sure alot of other employees are going to jump on the bandwagon in support of Ron and jeopardize their won jobs in this day and age when they are so hard to come by.......why didn't Ron just pick up the phone with them once a week or so? I know I would have if it had been me, the last thing I would have needed was to loose my job, too


Last night I was thinking about this.

If an employee of mine had a child missing, I would go by to see them often.........just to see if there was new information/if I could do anything to help find the child. The LEAST I could do is offer my support and take food/drinks by during this stressful time. 2 months is nothing! You are still in shock/denial/pain for this time and longer.

I guess I have worked for many good employers because I know this is what they would have done too. And.......BTW.........I worked for a very large school system....................we all believed that charity begins at home/therefore, we supported one another first and others second.

A missing child is by far the worst experience anyone could face.....moo. I would think that employers would offer their help and check with the one grieving. The HR person should have called Ron and told him about Family Leave supported by our government and everything the company offered. He was not able to even care if he had a job at the time............he had lost his child.

Personally I know many people are very caring/giving in good companies.......

I was told not to retire/quit when my husband became ill and we knew that he would not be with us long.....but to take leave. I was gone for more than a year. I received my pay check every month because I was able to use sick leave/vacation time/etc. You know at this time nothing matter except caring for my husband.

Also, I received visits/phone calls/flowers/etc from everyone during this time............from my supervisor to the superintendent of our school system. Not all employers are uncaring. Many appreciate their employees.

Also..........I have a neighbor who is 42 who has cancer. He has been fighting this for 2 years. His employer and his wife's employer have been nothing but GREAT. Even during these time, people still have hearts.

I believe that many people do have good hearts and do the right thing by their employees...........even during these hard times.

MOO

[Peaches]

ITA grma..Amber's GM did not ask for any attention in this mess and IMO Amber's baby has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing and I don't think the baby's name should be put on a message board..



Texas, I agree with you on this

It was Crystal who brought her name in the open on national tv........with her attorney at her side.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

He can always state with that 10th grade education he didn't know what he signed. You know like Crystal not knowing her job was not deducting her child support because of her 10th grade education.
I don't even know if that agreement is even legal in Florida. We will have to wait and see.:wink:

Why would that agreement not be legal in Florida?

He can file all the lawsuits he wants. He's not going to win.

If he was that illiterate, he shouldn't have been working there to start with.

[crymeariver2006]

If he can prove that he was told when he could return then he may have a case.

That's a pretty big IF.

IMO

[Peaches]

Crystal was showing she had a heart....that darn Crystal. :cuss:



And she is afraid of Ron and thinks he harmed her child............:drool:

[CANDYKISSES]

CK i have no clue where the info is about the bc i'm only going by what grma told me:(

OIC. :wink: I have learned to be very discriminating about what you believe to be true on this case. Good grief, last week the ruckus was over the idea that Ron wouldn't ever go and drag Amber into court to find out if he was the father of this child. This week it's all about him trying to LURE this child out into his physical custody so he can quickly get a court order about another drug using mother out there and take her child. :w00t: WHOOOOOAH....maybe it's time to find out IF INDEED this child actually does belong to RON and I think after the initiatives that have been put into place to incite Ron Cummings that will be forthcoming by way of DCF or LE IMOO.

ALL JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

And she is afraid of Ron and thinks he harmed her child............:drool:

No no Peaches, don't you remember? Crystal said early on that she didn't believe Ron would ever harm Haleigh. She even went so far as to say that HALEIGH was RON's HEART IIRC.

She is not afraid of him and I don't believe she ever was or she wouldn't have bucked up on the cocaine usage when SHE HAD TO STOP DANG IT....:angry:

:rolleyes: That's just not indicative of a woman living in FEAR IMOO.

[Texas48]

Texas, I agree with you on this

It was Crystal who brought her name in the open on national tv........with her attorney at her side.

moo
Does that mean it ok to post the baby's name all over message boards? This is an innocent baby..and has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing..imo

[Peaches]

What I really want to know from you bam bam is where are these posts that claim Ron is a murderer because he's a poor, uneducated back woods redneck. You said they were posted over and over again so finding them should be relatively simple. TIA

Then, I'd like to know who the sick posters are that are responsible for Ron losing his job. TIA

You've made the claims and you need to back them up. TIA


On this message board I read that some posters called Ron's job asking questions. Soooooooooo who knows what was really said when they called.

moo

[titanfan217]

But their press release gave a cause that he is denying. Not saying if either are right or what/how the law applies but if they wanted to go by that policy they should have never said WHY in the press.

The way I see it, if he can prove what he says is true, I don't see why he can't get them for wrongful termination now that they gave a reason.


Does he have it in writing? If not, does he have someone with the company confirming that he had a leave of absense?

If not, how is he could going to prove anything?

[Texas48]

is there a difference between a porch and a deck?
i live in the south and i hear both......i call everything a porch lol
and i love drinking my morning tea on the porch and i love dinner or dessert on the porch. with the bugs and birds making noise. I find it very relaxing.
maybe i'm redneck :thumbsup:I really don't care what anyone calls it FA...I suppose eating on a porch..deck is just beneath them..I think I'll stay like I am and eat out on the PORCH this afternoon...with my grandkids. Bunch of rednecks we are..

[Peaches]

No no Peaches, don't you remember? Crystal said early on that she didn't believe Ron would ever harm Haleigh. She even went so far as to say that HALEIGH was RON's HEART IIRC.

She is not afraid of him and I don't believe she ever was or she wouldn't have bucked up on the cocaine usage when SHE HAD TO STOP DANG IT....:angry:

:rolleyes: That's just not indicative of a woman living in FEAR IMOO.


CK, Crystal blames Ron for all her bad choices now.

If her mother had stayed out of the picture, maybe things would be different.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone would be looking for Haleigh instead of posting all this stuff about Ron and how he controls everyone.


And..............that would be a good thing.

MOO

[Peaches]

Does that mean it ok to post the baby's name all over message boards? This is an innocent baby..and has nothing to do with Haleigh being missing..imo


No, Texas, I do not.

Also, I do not think it is wise to put Ron, Jr. on national tv either.

[Owlface]

bam bam.........at the candle light service, I saw Crystal move her chair over to sit beside Ron and Ron, Jr. Did you see that?

moo

I'm going to hate myself for asking but, just what is your point with this?

[Texas48]

I have prayed that Crystal has Haleigh hidden away for whatever her reasons are......Crystal would never hurt her children........At least we would all know that Haleigh is safe IMO
We ALL have the same hope that Haleigh is safe..but if Crystal did this she is in a heap of trouble..jmo

[Peaches]

No, but you don't have to be stroking him or laying your head on his shoulder or moving your chair next to him to as you so nicely wrote, mend bridges or coming together to find your lost child. I guess KP clued her in on how to Not come together.


This was before KP.

[Peaches]

Oh it was here. I remember seeing it more than once. I cannot remember the poster but he/she actually 'bragged' about doing it.


I think it was Breeze...........or something like that who said that she called to ask about hours because her husband wanted a job.

She said that she called several time asking other things.

And..............I think she was banned so her post will be gone - right?

This is ALL MVOO.

[beachpatty]

sorry this is OT

starting thursday, ya'll are gonna have to carry on without me......
i have been looking for 4 months and i just got a job :biggrin:

if you haven't been job hunting lately or know someone that is, you have no idea what it's like out there, i am beyond ecstatic and just felt the need to share!

i will be here early in the am's still tho :smile:

beachpatty

[Owlface]

IMO there is no way an abused ex girlfriend would act that way.

Then there is no way that you understand the dynamics that go on in an abusive relationship.

[Peaches]

sorry this is OT

starting thursday, ya'll are gonna have to carry on without me......
i have been looking for 4 months and i just got a job :biggrin:

if you haven't been job hunting lately or know someone that is, you have no idea what it's like out there, i am beyond ecstatic and just felt the need to share!

i will be here early in the am's still tho :smile:

beachpatty


Congratulations!

[Peaches]

Then there is no way that you understand the dynamics that go on in an abusive relationship.


Owlface, FA was beaten so badly by her exhusband that she lost her baby...............so, I think you are incorrect!

[Texas48]

I've never once read that, I've been here from the start. If I missed it, I apologize, but I cannot remember anyone here at all, ever stating they called PDM and with such a strong accusation, I would hope you'd back it up with the links of multiple postings claiming that. Thanks.

mooIn no ones defense 51 but way way back there was a poster that stated she/he called Ron's co. several times..One was to check out the hours/shifts that are worked and I can't remember the other reason...

[Owlface]

Owlface, FA was beaten so badly by her exhusband that she lost her baby...............so, I think you are incorrect!

With all due respect, I'm not exactly sure what you think FA's experience has to do with Crystal's. There is a difference between being assaulted by someone (indicating a one-time event) and being in an abusive relationship like Crystal says she was.

[titanfan217]

We ALL have the same hope that Haleigh is safe..but if Crystal did this she is in a heap of trouble..jmo

Agree on both points.

However, of all the theories that I've read, Ron's mom/great-grandma or Crystal having Haleigh hid are the 2 that would more likely end up in her being found alive, well, & happy.

Note: I've not seen enough of Crystal's mom etc to include her or not.

JMO

[Owlface]

If you were beat by your ex and you think he had something to do with your child being missing would you hug on him?

I was wondering if you could give me a link, or an event, where Crystal has said that she believes Ron had something to do with Haleigh being missing.

[CANDYKISSES]

On this message board I read that some posters called Ron's job asking questions. Soooooooooo who knows what was really said when they called.

moo

I believe some of the First Coast News comment sections had pretty scathing comments similar to that as well Peaches. We can't forget the Sheriff himself came out and spoke of EX's calling in false leads to get back at their men too. I think there are many angry women out there who don't realize the far reaching consequences when they engage in something like that. I don't believe they were doing that to hurt the Haleigh Cummings investigation, but THEY DID NEVERTHELESS from what the Sheriff stated.

It's frightening to think there are so many angry women walking around out there willing to go to such extremes IMO.

"We have gotten more than 500 leads so far," Ryan said, adding that many of the leads are angry ex-wives trying to get their former husbands in trouble.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20090216/ARTICLES/902161002/1402/NEWS?Title=Ground_search_for_Haleigh_wraps_up_toda y

:scared:

[titanfan217]

sorry this is OT

starting thursday, ya'll are gonna have to carry on without me......
i have been looking for 4 months and i just got a job :biggrin:

if you haven't been job hunting lately or know someone that is, you have no idea what it's like out there, i am beyond ecstatic and just felt the need to share!

i will be here early in the am's still tho :smile:

beachpatty

congrats !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal sure didn't look very scared when she was hugging all over Ron IMO

her whole story and attitude changed when she got a lawyer.... IMO

Yes, it gives grooming a whole new meaning IMO. :sad:

[Peaches]

With all due respect, I'm not exactly sure what you think FA's experience has to do with Crystal's. There is a difference between being assaulted by someone (indicating a one-time event) and being in an abusive relationship like Crystal says she was.
\

Owlface............that was the last time FA was abused. Most women may put up with being abused but will draw the line when their child is hurt. And FA will never forget.

I do not believe that Cystal was abused..........BTW.

MOO

[Peaches]

I was not beat just once. I was beat over and over. Then i got pregnant and i was beat the last time. I'll never be beat again. and i sure didn't put pictures of my abuser in my childs casket. Can you explain to me why Crystal has pictures of Ron on the haleighbug website?


Congratulations FA............for being brave.

I admire you!

[Texas48]

Owlface, FA was beaten so badly by her exhusband that she lost her baby...............so, I think you are incorrect!Yes..she was..and I am so sorry for her..

[Texas48]

With all due respect, I'm not exactly sure what you think FA's experience has to do with Crystal's. There is a difference between being assaulted by someone (indicating a one-time event) and being in an abusive relationship like Crystal says she was.
Are you so certain *it was a one time event*..??

[Owlface]

I was not beat just once. I was beat over and over. Then i got pregnant and i was beat the last time. I'll never be beat again. and i sure didn't put pictures of my abuser in my childs casket. Can you explain to me why Crystal has pictures of Ron on the haleighbug website?

Not to minimize what you went through but you yourself are saying that you got beaten but still "hugged on" (presumably, since you were pregnant) your abuser. I don't believe that the choices you made are any different than the choices Crystal made, yet you condemn her for them.

I assumed you were just beaten once because you said you didn't understand how a person could be beaten but still show affection for their abuser.

I don't agree with your assessment that just because Crystal showed compassion, initially, for Ron that that means she's lying when she later says he was physically abusive to her. Actually, she's a better woman than I am because I hated my older son's bio-dad and I couldn't bring myself to show him much compassion at my son's funeral.

[Owlface]

Are you so certain *it was a one time event*..??

The one-time event I was referring to was FallenAngel's assault at the hands of her husband/boyfriend. Since FA doen't believe that Ron was abusive to Crystal because Crystal showed compassion to Ron initially, I assumed that FallenAngel left her boyfriend/husband the first time he was abusive.

[Texas48]

The one-time event I was referring to was FallenAngel's assault at the hands of her husband/boyfriend. Since FA doen't believe that Ron was abusive to Crystal because Crystal showed compassion to Ron initially, I assumed that FallenAngel left her boyfriend/husband the first time he was abusive.I was
referring to FA as well

[Texas48]

Where do you get the audacity to assume being assualted is a one-time event??? How do you know FA's experience?? Good grief, you have nerve!:cursing:TY lizzie..Owl did not seem to understand my reply to her post...quess for some you gotta spit it out like you did

[Owlface]

IIRC, Crystal has only mentioned one time where he allegedly smacked her in the back of the head. Posters have on here have talked of their abuse, and it was far worse than what Crystal has said.

I have stated and will again, I do NOT believe Crystal was abused.

In your opinion, what do you think Owl??

Well, since you asked. I work with abused women. My rule is I always believe what they tell me. I have heard some stories that don't quite ring true. There is nothing in Crystal's story, scant infomation that is out there, that doesn't ring true. Ron's 911 call makes him sound like an abuser. The fact that Crystal showed compassion to Ron initally doesn't mean she wasn't abused.

[Peaches]

The one-time event I was referring to was FallenAngel's assault at the hands of her husband/boyfriend. Since FA doen't believe that Ron was abusive to Crystal because Crystal showed compassion to Ron initially, I assumed that FallenAngel left her boyfriend/husband the first time he was abusive.


Owlface,

These questions have been answered by both me and FA today. Why do you still say a one time event?


BTW........I was sorry to read you lost your son. I know that that was difficult.............lossing your child has to be the most difficult thing God asked of us.

As always.............MOO

[Peaches]

IIRC, that was Cobra's doing and then taking it totally out of context.

I'm sure others remember it that way too.


Cobra has more than a potty mouth..............Why can't he talk so that he does not offend those who are listening to his trash.

MOO is he is just there to make trouble for Ron..........period. end of sentence.

MOO

[Peaches]

I have every sympathy for what you went thru...but if I understand this correctly you say he beat you over and over and then you got pregnant...asking how Crystal could comfort him is as cruel as asking you why you continued to sleep with a man that beat you over and over. I would think you would understand how she felt. IMO



grma, when it came to hurting her child, FA was done. BTW...the child died.

[Peaches]

He doesn't have to do that RC is doing a great job of that on his own. IMO


grma,

Ron has LOTS of help from Cobra and others. MOO

[Peaches]

IMO she doesn't have a casket yet to put a picture in...and pray to god she doesn't have to go thru that...but if it were at the hands of RC I am sure there won't be any pictures in there. These are two different circumstances.


grma...............FA, lost her baby.

[Mimi428]

Crystal sure didn't look very scared when she was hugging all over Ron IMO

her whole story and attitude changed when she got a lawyer.... IMO

SSDD with a whole lot of cases where a family member is first given every benefit of the doubt for NOT being part of the reason something bad happened. Laci's family publicly supported Scott until Amber gave her press conference. Jeffrey MacDonald's father-in-law supported him & extolled his virtues - right up until he realized he was a lying sack of crap.

It does not surprise me at all the Crystal was supportive initially. And it does not negate nor minimize the idea that she was ever abused by him or ever feared him, IMO. Any abuser worth the title knows how to choose someone who possesses those qualities - someone who will forgive, who easily feels sorry for them if they put on a good & dramatic display of being distressed, of being anguished, of crying.

That sort of behavior is so common it is probably on the first page of chapter one of the textbook entitled "Introduction Into Abusive Relationships" (that's a made-up name). Abusers deliberately seek out, are attracted to & pick partners who will forgive, forgive, forgive, & be willing to give the abuser a 2nd, 10th, 100th chance.

JMO

[Texas48]

I already have a disclaimer stating that everything I post is my opinion. Everything you post is nothing more than opinion also.

To answer your question, all you have to do is look at any interview RC is in and he is as high a kite. He was so high in one interview he couldn't even stand up and had to lay on the ground so he made a drama production out of it and put on a show for the camera. Ray Charles could see that.
My opinion of course. Just call it like it is.You may want to check with CW on your disclaimer at the bottom and also read TOS page # 2..about making statements that you *cannot* back up..just some friendly advise..

[Mimi428]

CK, Crystal blames Ron for all her bad choices now.

If her mother had stayed out of the picture, maybe things would be different.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone would be looking for Haleigh instead of posting all this stuff about Ron and how he controls everyone.


And..............that would be a good thing.

MOO

Are you kidding? I have the same ability - ZERO - to go out & look for Haleigh no matter what is revealed about either of her parents, or her home situation or the history of anyone associated with the case.

[crymeariver2006]

If they're gonna start charging people with obstruction, they should start with Misty.

IMO

[crymeariver2006]

And, IMO, weeding out useless "tips" from disgruntled exes is a complete waste of time and manpower.

Sure it is.

But unless they're investigated no one knows for sure.

Ted Bundy's girlfriend called and gave police information about him. Should that not have been checked out or should it have been chalked up to "some disgruntled ex" and discarded?

LE gets tips on cases every single day. Sometimes they're just nuts, but sometimes they're not.

JMO

[Owlface]

I have every sympathy for what you went thru...but if I understand this correctly you say he beat you over and over and then you got pregnant...asking how Crystal could comfort him is as cruel as asking you why you continued to sleep with a man that beat you over and over. I would think you would understand how she felt. IMO

Thank you, Grma - you were able to say much more eloquently what I was trying to clumsily point out.

[Owlface]

I'm sorry for your loss and FA's but I think in a way you just pointed out what some are trying to say. FA would never put a pix of him in her childs casket, and you couldn't show him much compassion at the funeral. IMO, that is why some can't understand Crystal. And its not because she is a better person than either of you two. Its more because some of us who have been abused, including myself, would not do what she did. Hope I explained enough to understand.
jmo

What I don't understand is why FA is the decider of what an abused woman would or wouldn't do and based on that gets to decide since Crystal didn't make the choices she did then she wasn't abused.

[Peaches]

What I don't understand is why FA is the decider of what an abused woman would or wouldn't do and based on that gets to decide since Crystal didn't make the choices she did then she wasn't abused.


Owlface,

This is FA's opinion....................AND, we are all have those.

BTW.............we do not have much more than opinions at this point.

And that is moo:laugh:

[Peaches]

Yes on both parts, IIRC. The one who denied it, was that question asked if it was now or in the past?? I took the question as now.
jmo


That is what I took from it too...............Are you on drugs now?

GR came from Crystal's camp to question Ron.

This is so sad................so much attention on Ron when it should be focused on finding Haleigh.

MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Good Evening (:

Any new developments today that I need to look up?

TIA

[Peaches]

anything that came out when their lips were moving and that is MO


How sad to see no good in another human. MOO

[Peaches]

You get the general idea. He has more on his rap sheet than Crystal does.

NG failed to mention his.


Nancy Grace has trouble with Crystal moving so far from her children. Knowing what her babies mean to her, she finds this strange............as do many mothers on his board.

And as always............this is just moo

BTW.......anyone can be charged.........it is the convictions that count.

[TealMermaid]

Hey bullyjo, do you think Ronald appreciates your defense of him?

In regard to that stolen car report, NG did a poor job. She failed to gather RC's rap sheet. That thing would unfold and unfold and unfold......:lol:

There are so many issues with Ron.:ohmy:
In just about every Interview he and Misty have ever done, they both appear wasted. Even Geraldo thought he was on something when he met with him.

[TaraCrazyHair]

IMO if all that really happen the other night i would think grandma would have went and got a protective order again RC and the other man. Did she do that?

What would be the reason behind a PO?

I do not think LE can do anything about somebody knocking on a door asking to see somebody if they were not threatening or violent?

I am pretty certain a one time thing cannot be considered harassment either?

[Peaches]

There are so many issues with Ron.:ohmy:
In just about every Interview he and Misty have ever done, they both appear wasted. Even Geraldo thought he was on something when he met with him.


And we know GR knows???????????? :cursing:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Nothing new Tara..just the same ole same ole...

Thanks (:

I guess we wait for his reported update tonight

[titanfan217]

Crystal left her two kids there, with an alleged abuser. She was able to walk away freely, she could have taken her kids with her. And didn't.
Sorry for rant, but we never know what goes on behind closed doors. And I can't buy Crystals stories.
jmo

Sniped

I thought Crystal originally took her children with her.

[TaraCrazyHair]

He needs to read this as well because he is the only one he focuses on, instead of trying to take Amber's child he should be looking for his own. IMO

I agree

Is anyone still out there looking for Haleigh?

[Peaches]

but where there is smoke there is fire and I can't believe LE chased him around filing false charges against him. IMO
As far as moving two hours away from him the time when she took the kids with her...she should have kept going, evidently that wasn't far enough. IMO

2 hours away is much to far for me to be away from my children. To share their everyday life you need to be at least live in the same city/town.

Both parents need to be active in the lives of their children. MOO

[TealMermaid]

Yeah but we are talking about GR here...what was that he thought about Al Capone's secret vault? :wink:

Most people can tell when someone's 'high', and he appears under the influence of something!

[TaraCrazyHair]

but why did she call 911 if she didn't feel threaten?

She may have "felt" threatened but if she was not being threatened, then LE has their hands tied

I suppose if any of this is really true, it shows one thing and that is Ron is Amber's baby's daddy

[CANDYKISSES]

If I were LE (and with this bunch I'm glad I'm not) I would round up the informants described and charge them with obstruction. What a waste of time and manpower, following useless leads from disgruntled women.

Yes Lizzie, the enabling of false accusations whether it's in regard to leads in a case of this magnitude or making false claims in regard to abuse, it all needs to stop IMO. It does more damage than any one of us will know at this time, because it will be seen in the years to come and filter over into other areas of CRIME by punishing true victims IMO. :sad:

ALL JMO

[Themis]

And how long of a drive is it from the grandma's to Ron's?
Reference: post 103 by KKKKatie

Getting on here late so excuse if your question has already been answered, KKKKKatie.

Using Sykes address on Beecher Springs Road (if that is her current residence) and using Google Maps it's 12.2 miles and 24 minutes to RC's mobile home on Green Lane.

[JMO * Themis]

[TealMermaid]

But then that is not the truth , is it. When Crystal left RC she took the children with her. They lived with her for months prior to his dirty deal and family lies to obtain custody. There was not a previous custody agreement. He used that fact which allowed him to do what he did, pick up the children and refuse to return them to their mother. He also was not paying child support for his children either.
RC gets no metals or passes for what he has done.

Ron is a creep in my opinion.

He gets into relationships with teen-age girls, so he can control and abuse them. And he's too ignorant to wear a condom, so he keeps bringing innocent babies into CHAOS!!!:angry:

[Peaches]

But then that is not the truth , is it. When Crystal left RC she took the children with her. They lived with her for months prior to his dirty deal and family lies to obtain custody. There was not a previous custody agreement. He used that fact which allowed him to do what he did, pick up the children and refuse to return them to their mother. He also was not paying child support for his children either.
RC gets no metals or passes for what he has done.


Once again, I too read all the court papers and came to a different conclusion than you.

I saw that when Crystal was given by the JUDGE 10 more days to produce evidence............She said NO. That tells me that she did not really want them very badly.

How do you know that he was not paying child support. I have not read this anywhere.

BTW............there is evidence that the judge awarded child support to Ronald but Crystal did not always pay. Those poor children needed her support with her time and her money.................I see that she gave little of either.

Saying all that.............I do believe that Crystal loves her BRATS and would do nothing to harm them. I think she did not want the day to day care of them.

This is too my very own opinion................just as your post is yours.

[Peaches]

Yeah but we are talking about GR here...what was that he thought about Al Capone's secret vault? :wink:


Talking about a sharp tool...........he put our soldiers in danger by drawing on the ground placement of our troops.

:cursing:

[Texas48]

but why did she call 911 if she didn't feel threaten?That is what I have been asking myself all day FA..I wish we could get something from lE..just a little something..kwim?

[CANDYKISSES]

I remember it too, Pia. Too long ago to go back and find the link, so JMO. I would have thought most who had been here a long time would also remember.:confused:

Oh I remember Lizzie and yes it was done IMO. :sad:

[Peaches]

Do you have an ex like RC


What a question.

Do you have an ex like Crystal...............

[Peaches]

I thought Crystal said on Greta that when she had the children Ron always paid child support.......and how did Ron's family lie to obtain custody? and why hasn't Crystal got free legal aid to fight for her children?


After reading the court papers, I find that Crystal had as much support from her family as Ron did his.

[TealMermaid]

But then that is not the truth , is it. When Crystal left RC she took the children with her. They lived with her for months prior to his dirty deal and family lies to obtain custody. There was not a previous custody agreement. He used that fact which allowed him to do what he did, pick up the children and refuse to return them to their mother. He also was not paying child support for his children either.
RC gets no metals or passes for what he has done.

I believe the court dealings were underhanded. I know of a young woman in a similar situation. She lost her son to her ex. They both used drugs in the past. I think they're both now clean(She is at least.). Anyway, somehow he convinced a judge to give him custody-accused his ex of being promiscuous, when she had been with the same boyfriend for a year. The guy who got custody was behind in child support, was abusive to her in the past,etc. But he-like Ron, knew how to play the system.:cursing:

[Peaches]

Ron is a creep in my opinion.

He gets into relationships with teen-age girls, so he can control and abuse them. And he's too ignorant to wear a condom, so he keeps bringing innocent babies into CHAOS!!!:angry:


Please remember that Ron was once a teenager himself.............he and Crystal are about the same age.

Amber is not much younger.......3 years I think.

Misty is the ONLY one who seems a bit young to me.

MOO

[titanfan217]

2 hours away is much to far for me to be away from my children. To share their everyday life you need to be at least live in the same city/town.

Both parents need to be active in the lives of their children. MOO

Great when it works, but being in the city doesn't mean that either.

As far as distance, I've known people to drive an hour plus a day each way to work.

And is she suppose to uproot her life to wherever RC is? From the pieces I've read, her life is as stable if not more than his. Why can't he move to where she is?

[CANDYKISSES]

His family lied by stating they would be his baby sitters which helped him to get custody.

Legal aide is not available for domestic disputes.

There was no testimony at that hearing by his family. Nice try, but you're wrong.

Just like the XANAX, you don't know either of those things to be fact from what I've seen.

JMO. :sneaky:

[Peaches]

His family lied by stating they would be his baby sitters which helped him to get custody.

Legal aide is not available for domestic disputes.


They did not lie. I believe that his mother did babysit for these children. After all, Ron, Jr. was ONLY 7 months old at the time and Haleigh not 2.

Any young person with 2 babies would need help especially if they work and Ron did work to support his babies.

Crystal had an attorney and her mother was in court with her. Ron had no attorney.

MOO

[TealMermaid]

well i thought his family is and was his baby sitter. but do you want them to babysit even when his girlfriends at home at night?

and YES legal aid will help a mother get her children back, specially if he's abusive. Why didn't she take those pictures to legal aid? I know several legal aid lawyers that would have LOVED that case.

My friend has not been able to get a free lawyer through "Legal Aid". She would like to fight to get custody of her son back, but doesn't have money for a lawyer.

If anyone knows how she could get a free lawyer, please let me know. I truly believe she unfairly lost custody of her son.

[titanfan217]

Thank you! Not far at all

Not far between GGMS and RC, but no way could she be there 10 minutes after Haleigh was taken.

[Texas48]

I thought Crystal said on Greta that when she had the children Ron always paid child support.......and how did Ron's family lie to obtain custody? and why hasn't Crystal got free legal aid to fight for her children?Yes that is what Crystal said to Greta..way back..This past Sunday I spend biggest part of the day reading from back at the start and I came across that interview..I actually meant to post it on Monday and then forgot..nothing new..lol

[Peaches]

never saw that interview, I did hear that when they were together he didn't have naything to do wtih the children. How did they lie, who was suppose to be watching the children? Don't know the specifics in the third question...IMO


And, we all know that Crystal is the one who said that Ron had nothing to do with the children.

Who took care of them when she did not want to get out of bed------even to take her sick child to the doctor?

You know there are 2 sides to a story and then there is the truth.

MOO

[Texas48]

Ron is a creep in my opinion.

He gets into relationships with teen-age girls, so he can control and abuse them. And he's too ignorant to wear a condom, so he keeps bringing innocent babies into CHAOS!!!:angry:and the *young* women who plays with Ronald should also think about some type of birth control..since when is it only the mans responsibility..? They are ALL to blame for the mess they have gotten themselves into..and not just for having babies that none of them should have been blessed with..jmo as always.

[Peaches]

The records show that she paid child support until she was in a car accident and was unable to work. Upon recovery, she worked two jobs to catch up. Then she got pregnant and at some point lost employment. So she got behind. It is difficult to catch up any financial obligation once it gets behind.

She visited with her children on every scheduled visitation per the court order.
I don't know where you get your information.


But you know the thing is..........if she were a man............she would be called a dead beat.

She chose to have another child. She knew her obligations.

My question to you is: Is the child she has with her step-brother/bf more important than the 2 she already had?

MOO

[Peaches]

Great when it works, but being in the city doesn't mean that either.

As far as distance, I've known people to drive an hour plus a day each way to work.

And is she suppose to uproot her life to wherever RC is? From the pieces I've read, her life is as stable if not more than his. Why can't he move to where she is?



Stable??????????

So far as moving...........she moved away. Ron did not.

[Texas48]

I thought Crystal said on Greta that when she had the children Ron always paid child support.......and how did Ron's family lie to obtain custody? and why hasn't Crystal got free legal aid to fight for her children?good questions FA if I do say so myself..Yes..that is what Crystal said to Greta..I do not think any of Ron's family made statements in the courts ref. the custody..none that I saw.. I have to admitt that Crystal could have gotten free legal aid at anytime for anything..Thats what legal aid is out there for...

[panache]

Greetings Folks

I'm the latecomer arriving. I've been on the road all day and haven't read back yet, but I promise I will.

Has this been posted yet? The latest from sky.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[Peaches]

oh yeah ITA. and i would love to know what kind of grandfather that is a former Marine and Cop would sit back and let his daughter hand over his grand children to an abuser........ You and i both know Joe would never allow that to happen to our grand children

FA..........I certainly do know that about Joe. And, about you I know that you would not live 2 hours away from your children.....

MOO is that Crystal liked things as they stood before Haleigh went missing --- well, except paying child support.

BTW. I read somewhere that she was getting a settlement from that auto accident. Wonder if any went for back child support?

All MOO

[Texas48]

His family lied by stating they would be his baby sitters which helped him to get custody.

Legal aide is not available for domestic disputes.
Don't know what state your from destiny but in Texas..New Jersey and Miss..and La. there is free legal aid for domestic/custody disputes. as a matter of fact there is free legal aid for *anyone* that cannot pay for an attorney to represent them..One other thing..is it documented that *his family* would be his baby sitters untill his children reached legal age?

[Peaches]

When did it become a crime to move away?


It is no crime but a shame to move away from ones children. MOO

[Texas48]

You may think its in defense of Ron but in reality its not. But what I have seen of these players, I honestly could care less about them. We can all play the tit for tat game but when it comes down to the bottom line, most of us are here for the kids.
jmo
ITA bully..but there are a *few* that likes to keep the merry go round spinning in both directions..on an on.

[Texas48]

yeah i heard Crystal say that on NG AFTER she got a lawyer. but at first Crystal said he was a great father and didn't want to keep the children away from him. and on Greta she said he always paid child support. Can you explain to me why she feared for her life but didn't fear for her childrens life? Because from everything i've seen a man that abuses his wife or girlfriend will probably one day abuse his children.That was the interview that I found last Sunday..and yes..all that was said and to include *Haleigh was Ron's Heart.* All this came out of Crystal's mouth and not from a 2nd..3rd..4th. party.

[Peaches]

As previously stated it is in the court documents that can be found online. As far as I know there is not a video or audio transcript of the court hearing.
It is in the custody agreement and the court did not put it in there without his family agreeing to the terms.


Ron was the one who said this, I believe.

The ONLY other person besides Crystal and Ron allowed to talk was Crystal's mom because she kept answering questions for Crystal--as usual.

You can find that in the court documents.

MOO

[Texas48]

My friend has not been able to get a free lawyer through "Legal Aid". She would like to fight to get custody of her son back, but doesn't have money for a lawyer.

If anyone knows how she could get a free lawyer, please let me know. I truly believe she unfairly lost custody of her son.
What state Teal?

[bookie]

grma, when it came to hurting her child, FA was done. BTW...the child died.



And I've never heard her say she comforted him years after getting away from the abuse. There's a huge difference between the situations.

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh you didn't know Chad and some of Crystals friend threw her a big Mary jane party?


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/crystalwstepbrofiance.jpg

and Crystal had a bunch of party pictures on her myspace account but she removed them when she got a lawyer.

Also references to their partying were removed and the friends who left some of those comments changed their myspace entries to PRIVATE IMO.

:sneaky:Part of the process when the attorney came on the scene IMOO. I'd say the comment about "Chloe and the brats" was inappropriate given the new packaging that was going on.

JMO.

[Peaches]

ohhhhhhhhhh yeah Crystal had a happy life playing "disney" mom every two weeks. but you know she was probably getting freaked out about that child support.

MOO

Hey i have a dumb question.........Do you know why LE won't let anyone search for Haleigh? I just don't understand that :(



The fact that LE will not allow people to search is so strange. I know that if it were my child, they would have to put me in jail to stop me from looking.

Wonder if Crystal's bf/step-brother is with her and the baby? Don't they all live with her mother and his father?

MOO

[Mimi428]

ITA..........that's why i have to wonder why Crystal calls them "brats"

Do you know which children she was specifically calling brats? I tend to think whoever the children were, they would be children she was in contact with pretty often.

JMO

[bookie]

It's LE's job to weed out the good tips from the bad ones, not whine about the caliber of the tips, thus possibly preventing people who have good tips from calling them in for fear of being criticized. IMO.


And maybe if those petty, vindictive women would choose therapy and NOT call in false tips just to get their ex husbands in trouble with the police for spite the police wouldn't have to comment about them.

[CANDYKISSES]

Ron was the one who said this, I believe.

The ONLY other person besides Crystal and Ron allowed to talk was Crystal's mom because she kept answering questions for Crystal--as usual.

You can find that in the court documents.

MOO

Really now Peaches, you don't think this is a matter of naivete, do you? I'd say someone is getting enjoyment out of being deliberately obtuse, but that is JMO.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink IIRC. :sad:

[daisywva]

What would be the reason behind a PO?

I do not think LE can do anything about somebody knocking on a door asking to see somebody if they were not threatening or violent?

I am pretty certain a one time thing cannot be considered harassment either?

I dont often post on here, but I got to thinking today ,that IF this incident did happen. (Not sure it did), cause it dont make sense to me. It is only my opinion, but I believe this incident may have been a sort of a warning. Remember Ron said , "He would take out the trash" or something to that effect. This may be just too "out there", and my own opinion, but what if Ron believes that Amber & Nay Nay had something to do with Haleighs disappearence. He might have been showing Amber how easy it would be for him to take her child. Not saying that he would have took the child or harmed him in any way. Almost sounds like a game, sending Ron Jr. to the door. But if I were Amber this incident would scare the he?? out of me.

[Peaches]

She took the children with her when she left RC. He refused to return them to her after a visit.

She did not move away from her kids. She moved away from Ronald with her kids.


And, the courts gave custody to Ron 2 times.

[Themis]

Not far between GGMS and RC, but no way could she be there 10 minutes after Haleigh was taken.
Exactly, Titanfan, which is what was implied in my post #1137 on Monday, page 29 which was primarily concerned with what Junior said he saw or heard and Harris' comment about that.

It's also odd that nowhere in the police report available to us on the Net is there an indication that Sykes had arrived on the scene. However, considering what must have been absolute chaos there at the mobile home with all the L.E. coming and going, relatives coming and going and the reported ranting and raving by Ron, I will let that one go. It is still Sykes saying she was there ... arriving somewhere around 4 A.M. on 2-10 and she said Junior told her he knew nothing; he was asleep.

Sykes is 64, not exactly ancient. I agree with Destiny's earlier which said Sykes could have been mistaken about dropping off those clean clothes at 7 PM on Monday, 2-9, and that perhaps she got her days mixed up. However, we have to bounce that against Neves statement that she had sent someone over to check on the kids, etc.
Remember, initially Misty did not list Sykes as a visitor on 2-9; only her own brother, his 2 boys, and the A/C repairman.

There is a another possibility--especially taking into consideration the time lag this information by Neves and Sykes came out in the press. Perhaps there was some fear on the part of Neves and Sykes that RC may indeed have been involved somehow, and it was very desirable to prove all was well at the Cummings mobile home the night of 2-9 and to make that time line as late as possible because of RC working the night shift.

[JMO * Themis]

[Texas48]

There is a transcript available and it would be advisable to READ it prior to MAKING CLAIMS that simply are PATENTLY FALSE from now on. The same with your statement concerning legal aid. You seem to throw around your own version of the law and what actually goes on in court proceedings and that's not okay IMO.

Please provide a link to this "CUSTODY AGREEMENT" outlining his family agreeing to the terms. :wink:

It's okay to change your opinion, but nobody has the right to change the few facts we do have to work with in this case. JMO.Never thought I would see the day but here it is..You are right..Hope my computer doesn't blow up and I hope you dont fall off your chair..lol

[panache]

It is no crime but a shame to move away from ones children. MOO

Ya know you keep making this statement. Do you have a link or document that says Crystal moved away *From her children*? Just the other night on this very board there was a link that Crystal left with the children, and later in Aug. Ron convinced her to let him take the children to Texas and Mexico. He never brought them back to Crystal. When he returned he filed for physical custody.

But if you have something that says what I recall is different, I would love to see it. Just for my own edification please.

moo

[Peaches]

I doubt that...if she'd waited for the weekend, everyone would have blamed her, and I think she likes the way it's turned out.

Leaving aside the real possibility this was a stranger abduction, I believe the most like scenario is something like this...

Crystal receives the warrant threatening jail, and/or seizure of her property re the unpaid child support. She is angry and upset, let's Chad & her father know what is going on, one of them get angry and decide to teach Ron a lesson. They sneak in and take Haleigh. They may have hoped to also get junior, but the fact he was in the same bed as Misty stopped them from doing that.

That scenario would explain why it took Crystal 7 hours to get to Satsuma after she found out (I would have run out the door still in my pyjamas calling my child's name out the whole way there, not waited 5 hours like she did). It would also explain Chad's absence in the first few days, his odd behaviour on camera (looking at ground in his first iv, then giggling in background while Crystal was being iv'ed and the dumpster searched).

The scenario is also consistent with my view of Crystal...a person who didn't care enough about her kids to fight for custody, couldn't be bothered taking her sick baby girl to the doctor because she didn't feel like getting out of bed, refused to pay child support and had another baby even though she couldn't support the one's she already had. I bet that warrant really made her angry.

I also hope LE are taking a close look at Crystal's dad. He was involved in dog fighting for a long time, may still be a gambler, obviously not mixing with nice people, he has mafia and other gang stuff on his myspace, and maybe he owed the wrong people some money. That's what happened to Cole in Las Vegas...he was kidnapped for his grandfather's debt.



Excellent post............many good remarks. MOO

[Mimi428]

I assumed she was referring to Haleigh and Jr, as I think Chad had a restraining order involving minor children against him until mid-December last year, and if he has visitation or custody (which I seriously doubt), it's quite recent.

The erroneous information that he had an R/O against him because he committed violence upon minor children was cleared up a couple of weeks ago. He did NOT commit violence against children. His wife HAD minor children, so a specific form referencing minor children was used.

If she had not had minor children, she would simply have gotten a different form to fill out.

JMO

[Themis]

that's what Crystal called it and they had marijuana stuff everywhere. Did you miss seeing all the photos on her myspace before she took them down?

Looks like they all had a great time :wink:
I did see those photos, FallenAngel, way back when! Must say I was surprised when I saw that big poster(?) of a full grown MJ plant on the wall along with all the other 'decorations.'
Of course I was naive then, too, not realizing it was going to be easier and quicker to list family and friends who did not have an arrest record.
[JMO * Themis]

[Mimi428]

That scenario would explain why it took Crystal 7 hours to get to Satsuma after she found out (I would have run out the door still in my pyjamas calling my child's name out the whole way there, not waited 5 hours like she did).


<snipped>

What is your source for the report that she waited 7 hours? IIRC, her attorney clarified that she was there way before that.

[titanfan217]

And, the courts gave custody to Ron 2 times.

after he physically had gotten the children.

We had an incident several years ago and the state child services removed 3 children from their aunt's home because they felt the children's father might come & harm them.

The aunt & uncle appealed, but by the time the agency got around to the hearing, they wouldn't return the children because they were established in a different home.

[crymeariver2006]

So if Ron married a woman his age would you be upset she was babysitting at night instead of the family?

If he had married a woman his age, I doubt we would be here discussing his missing child.

But, he didn't get married to his teenage babysitter-slash-girlfriend-slash-live in until about a month after the same teen babysitter was the last person to see his missing daughter before she vanished.

JMO

[Peaches]

If he had married a woman his age, I doubt we would be here discussing his missing child.

But, he didn't get married to his teenage babysitter-slash-girlfriend-slash-live in until about a month after the same teen babysitter was the last person to see his missing daughter before she vanished.

JMO


Cry.............Crystal and Ron were about the same age.......both teenagers when they started dating/etc.

Amber is close enough to his age to date..............

ONLY Misty to me is a little young .................

MOO

[crymeariver2006]

Got a spare one?? Is it in those papers that he would be living with her forever?? Watching the kids forever?? Was there ever a time limit he had to go by??

He also told the judge he would be enrolling the children in daycare.

Did he do that?

[panache]

actually IIRC Crystal said she got as far away from Ron as possible and then she said she didn't want to keep his children from him so she let him keep them. then he went to court and got custody.. not once but twice ( and two different judges) he was awarded custody.

The fact of the matter is, that poster constantly posts that Crystal abandoned her children when she left Ron, and that is not true. Anyone who is new to the board would take it as a fact, and it is not.

moo

[panache]

Cry.............Crystal and Ron were about the same age.......both teenagers when they started dating/etc.

Amber is close enough to his age to date..............

ONLY Misty to me is a little young .................

MOO

Amber was 17 when she became pregnant. She was 18 when Jordan was born, and she is now twenty.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Cry.............Crystal and Ron were about the same age.......both teenagers when they started dating/etc.

Amber is close enough to his age to date..............

ONLY Misty to me is a little young .................

MOO

Amber is 19 now. Ron is, what 25?

You think that's close enough in age to date?

How about when she was 17 and he got her pregnant when he was 23? Is that okay with you?

The question wasn't how old Ron and Crystal were when they started dating. The question wasn't how old Amber was when she dated Ron.

The question was if Ron had married a woman his own age, would it be all right if she babysat the children.

And yes, Misty is too young for Ron. But IMO, Ron won't get involved with women his own age because he is socially and emotionally at the 17-18 year old level himself.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Ok what makes you think an older woman would have been able to keep Haleigh safe?

because danielle van dams father was one room away and he never heard anything :(

Well, TN and GGM Sykes never had a problem keeping them safe did they?

What makes you think Ron would ever involve himself with an older woman (or one his own age) long enough to find out?

[panache]

i dont have any saved but i think a few of the posters did. a lot of us saw them. of course i have no proof she was smoking but if you look at some of the photos you can certainly tell they weren't feeling any pain.


MOO

Funny how two people can have different perciptions. In the group photo they looked pretty straight to me. Not a glassy eye in the bunch.

moo

[titanfan217]

Exactly, Titanfan, which is what was implied in my post #1137 on Monday, page 29 which was primarily concerned with what Junior said he saw or heard and Harris' comment about that.

It's also odd that nowhere in the police report available to us on the Net is there an indication that Sykes had arrived on the scene. However, considering what must have been absolute chaos there at the mobile home with all the L.E. coming and going, relatives coming and going and the reported ranting and raving by Ron, I will let that one go. It is still Sykes saying she was there ... arriving somewhere around 4 A.M. on 2-10 and she said Junior told her he knew nothing; he was asleep.

Sykes is 64, not exactly ancient. I agree with Destiny's earlier which said Sykes could have been mistaken about dropping off those clean clothes at 7 PM on Monday, 2-9, and that perhaps she got her days mixed up. However, we have to bounce that against Neves statement that she had sent someone over to check on the kids, etc.
Remember, initially Misty did not list Sykes as a visitor on 2-9; only her own brother, his 2 boys, and the A/C repairman.

There is a another possibility--especially taking into consideration the time lag this information by Neves and Sykes came out in the press. Perhaps there was some fear on the part of Neves and Sykes that RC may indeed have been involved somehow, and it was very desirable to prove all was well at the Cummings mobile home the night of 2-9 and to make that time line as late as possible because of RC working the night shift.

[JMO * Themis]


I'm not that far from 64 so will just omit that part. OK? All of the "info" I heard about this case for probably the first month was from NG and maybe JVM.

I do remember when I first heard TN mention a family going there, not the date but it was when the first rumors came out that MC may not have been home all night. NG asked TN about it and she commented that she was 'cause of the family member. The person's name was not given nor was the time, and at least a week, I was fuming that didn't prove anything. If the person was there before 10, MC could have left. If it was after 10, then MC wasn't asleep.

I still GGM's story means nothing unless someone was actually with her (she says we) and why didn't we hear from that person. And this late, I'd be still asking questions.

[bookie]

Define what a "Mary Jane" party is.



Main Entry: marijuana
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: grass, pot
Synonyms: Acapulco gold, Columbian, Jamaican, Maui wowie, Mexican, Panama red, bhang, cannabis, doobie, dope*, ganja, hash, hashish, hemp, herb, joint, loco weed, maryjane, reefer, roach, sinsemilla, tea*, weed*

http://thesaurus.reference.com/the?q=marijuana


There were marajuana decorations hanging from the doorjambs in the MySpace pictures. I think it's pretty obvious what a Mary Jane party is.

[Peaches]

Amber is 19 now. Ron is, what 25?

You think that's close enough in age to date?

How about when she was 17 and he got her pregnant when he was 23? Is that okay with you?

The question wasn't how old Ron and Crystal were when they started dating. The question wasn't how old Amber was when she dated Ron.

The question was if Ron had married a woman his own age, would it be all right if she babysat the children.

And yes, Misty is too young for Ron. But IMO, Ron won't get involved with women his own age because he is socially and emotionally at the 17-18 year old level himself.

JMO


I disagree with you. I think 5 years makes no difference and that is my personal opinion.

[crymeariver2006]

The erroneous information that he had an R/O against him because he committed violence upon minor children was cleared up a couple of weeks ago. He did NOT commit violence against children. His wife HAD minor children, so a specific form referencing minor children was used.

If she had not had minor children, she would simply have gotten a different form to fill out.

JMO

Don't confuse them with facts.

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

I disagree with you. I think 5 years makes no difference and that is my personal opinion.


That's surprising considering the tone of the rest of your posts.

13 years old is five years difference from 18.

I guess that makes no difference to you either.

All righty then.

[panache]

Main Entry: marijuana
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: grass, pot
Synonyms: Acapulco gold, Columbian, Jamaican, Maui wowie, Mexican, Panama red, bhang, cannabis, doobie, dope*, ganja, hash, hashish, hemp, herb, joint, loco weed, maryjane, reefer, roach, sinsemilla, tea*, weed*

http://thesaurus.reference.com/the?q=marijuana


There were marajuana decorations hanging from the doorjambs in the MySpace pictures. I think it's pretty obvious what a Mary Jane party is.

Gotcha! Just like Shamrocks hanging for decorations denotes a St. Patrick's Day party, or hearts for Valentine's Day party.

Meaningless. IMO

[bookie]

I disagree with you. I think 5 years makes no difference and that is my personal opinion.



It is also the state of Florida's opinion since that was the age range listed in the statute posted here early on.

[Peaches]

That's surprising considering the tone of the rest of your posts.

13 years old is five years difference from 18.

I guess that makes no difference to you either.

All righty then.


MOO is that parents should be decide at what age their children date.

I know that I did and it was not at 13.

[panache]

how do we know Rons the father?

Well if you ask Ron he says "possibly", so at the very least he had a sexual relationship with a minor, that may or may not have impregnanted her.

moo

[Peaches]

It is also the state of Florida's opinion since that was the age range listed in the statute posted here early on.


Thanks so much bookie.

All the blame can not be given to Ron about being allowed to date these girls. They have a choice as do their parents.

moo

[bookie]

Gotcha! Just like Shamrocks hanging for decorations denotes a St. Patrick's Day party, or hearts for Valentine's Day party.

Meaningless. IMO


Meaningless in your opinion. I don't smoke pot and I don't have Mary Jane parties. No one I know does although we do have St Patricks Day parties and Valentine Day parties. IMO people who don't use drugs also don't have drug themed birthday parties.

[panache]

It is also the state of Florida's opinion since that was the age range listed in the statute posted here early on.

Can you post it again please?

[crymeariver2006]

ummm are you saying since Haleigh was never kidnapped with TN and GGM before it could NEVER happen with them watching her?

and i never said Ron would be involved with an older woman i simply asked IF Misty was in her 20's would you blame her for the kidnapping.

Well, here we go again....

I don't care if Misty was 17, 27, 37, or 107.....IF she can't give a straight story to the police, doesn't know basic information about the child of height and weight, spends her admitted "big weekend" doing drugs and God knows what with God knows who then yes, as I do already, I'm going to have serious reservations about her ability to care for children and keep them safe.

JMO

[Peaches]

Meaningless in your opinion. I don't smoke pot and I don't have Mary Jane parties. No one I know does although we do have St Patricks Day parties and Valentine Day parties. IMO people who don't use drugs also don't have drug themed birthday parties.


Why would one want to decorate for a party and not use the theme........crazy.

I am with you, bookie, no drugs. And, by the grace of God, none of my children used/smoked either.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

MOO is that parents should be decide at what age their children date.

I know that I did and it was not at 13.

Okay, so if a 25 year old man had asked you out and you were only...17 but he told your father that he was 19, then later said that he was 21, and then later admitted that he was 25....

Is that your idea of an age appropriate relationship?

[panache]

do you feel like it's ok for an ex druggie to be going to those kind of party's? and IF it was all MEANINGLESS why did she remove all the photos off her myspace page?

Crystal changed her myspace to put on the Haleighbug page. Obviously she was going to be busy with that center, and wouldn't have time for a chatty myspace with friends. Nothing nefarious in that, IMO.

What *kind of party * was it? Last I read it was a suprise birthday party a friend had for Crystal.

moo

[bookie]

Thanks so much bookie.

All the blame can not be given to Ron about being allowed to date these girls. They have a choice as do their parents.

moo



Very true. Another thing is that 16 and 17 year olds are more mature now then they were decades ago. Kids grow up faster now. At 12 and 13 some states are trying kids as adults.

[Peaches]

Well if you ask Ron he says "possibly", so at the very least he had a sexual relationship with a minor, that may or may not have impregnanted her.

moo


Of course he mut have had sex with her for there to be any doubt.

But, it is also women know how to use birth control and should demand it because there is more to worry about than a baby.........

MOO

[panache]

JVM on with TJ.. Discussing the arrests for drugs. TJ saying Sgt. Greenland told him contraband drugs fell out of them or their clothing when they were bringing them into jail.

moo

[Peaches]

Okay, so if a 25 year old man had asked you out and you were only...17 but he told your father that he was 19, then later said that he was 21, and then later admitted that he was 25....

Is that your idea of an age appropriate relationship?


Cry, I am the wrong one to ask. My DH was 12 years older than me.

[panache]

Of course he mut have had sex with her for there to be any doubt.

But, it is also women know how to use birth control and should demand it because there is more to worry about than a baby.........

MOO

Ron should always be prepared, especially if he relies on the women to support the children he helps bring into the world.


BTW.. Did you find the link where Crystal left her children and moved away?
moo

[Squidward]

TJ Hart:
Bounty Hunter says these girls (Amber/NayNay) ARE the key to this case!
WHAT???

I am sure if they are LE is very happy about that getting out...:rolleyes:

What? When did he say this? :confused:

[Peaches]

Crystal changed her myspace to put on the Haleighbug page. Obviously she was going to be busy with that center, and wouldn't have time for a chatty myspace with friends. Nothing nefarious in that, IMO.

What *kind of party * was it? Last I read it was a suprise birthday party a friend had for Crystal.

moo



NO............she changed it long before there were thoughts of a Haleighbug page.

[crymeariver2006]

Cry, I am the wrong one to ask. My DH was 12 years older than me.

Well, that's exactly what Ron did with Misty but you think that's okay, right?

[Peaches]

Ron should always be prepared, especially if he relies on the women to support the children he helps bring into the world.


BTW.. Did you find the link where Crystal left her children and moved away?
moo


BTW...........do you think women have no responsibility to their children. I certainly think that when God gave me mine that He expected ME to take care of them myself.

[titanfan217]

That is very odd...I don't get this one...Do you remember where you read that at?

I don't remember where. It might have been a couple of puzzle pieces, but I do remember there was something about a short delay before CS went to Putnam County.

I don't find it all that odd. I've had to drive where I was too upset and it's not good. It probably would have been better if I had waited.

I also think they were trying to get additional information, and probably hoping it was a mistake or she would be found by daybreak.

Also I don't think the delay was as long as someone said. That person just used the time they first saw her.

[Squidward]

Just now on JVM...he said he just found this out this afternoon during his meeting with the bounty hunter...

oh OK thanks! I can't watch JVM right now. Wonder why they would think they are the key.

[bookie]

Can you post it again please?

It's under the statutory rape law in Florida.


(1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or vaginal penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose.

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0794/SEC05.HTM&Title=-%3E2006-%3ECh0794-%3ESection+05


Ron was 22/23 when he was with Amber. His birthday IIRC is in October. He hooked up with Misti around September. He was 24 when he got involved with her but since they are married I doubt he'll ever be charged.

[crymeariver2006]

JVM on with TJ.. Discussing the arrests for drugs. TJ saying Sgt. Greenland told him contraband drugs fell out of them or their clothing when they were bringing them into jail.

moo

Wouldn't they have been charged with possession and not contraband? Contraband is usually something you're smuggling in to another inmate.

Or so I thought.

:confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

Crystal changed her myspace to put on the Haleighbug page. Obviously she was going to be busy with that center, and wouldn't have time for a chatty myspace with friends. Nothing nefarious in that, IMO.

What *kind of party * was it? Last I read it was a suprise birthday party a friend had for Crystal.

moo

You are trying to make it fit your desire for Crystal IMO. She didn't want the public to know the real deal because it would have been very easy to link a HALEIGHBUG myspace to hers and the FRIENDS as well as CHAD's IMO. Just like the quote below indicates....:sneaky:

Similar to the claims about the FOUNDATION....all convoluted information found to be erroneous but supposedly Kim was able to get another lawyer to take that one IMO.

[panache]

NO............she changed it long before there were thoughts of a Haleighbug page.

Link please!!

[titanfan217]

AND after she had been out on a 3 day weekend partying with another guy. Just the kind of DIL his mother wants.


Makes my current DIL almost look human.


Outta here -- baseball time.

[panache]

You are trying to make it fit your desire for Crystal IMO. She didn't want the public to know the real deal because it would have been very easy to link a HALEIGHBUG myspace to hers and the FRIENDS as well as CHAD's IMO. Just like the quote below indicates....:sneaky:

Similar to the claims about the FOUNDATION....all convoluted information found to be erroneous but supposedly Kim was able to get another lawyer to take that one IMO.

Huh? I don't understand what your trying to say.

[panache]

Wouldn't they have been charged with possession and not contraband? Contraband is usually something you're smuggling in to another inmate.

Or so I thought.

:confused:

I would think, but that was the word TJ used. Very brief coverage on JVM tonight.:angry:

[panache]

BTW...........do you think women have no responsibility to their children. I certainly think that when God gave me mine that He expected ME to take care of them myself.

I sure do, I wish Ron had felt half the responsibilty towards his when he left his with a barely 17 yr old who just returned from a three day binge. He should have made safer arrangements and brought them to mom's or something.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

I sure do, I wish Ron had felt half the responsibilty towards his when he left his with a barely 17 yr old who just returned from a three day binge. He should have made safer arrangements and brought them to mom's or something.

moo

Or found out a little bit more about her history, associates, and habits before moving her into his home with his children.

Poor judgment, IMO.

[panache]

Shamrocks and hearts aren't illegal and they aren't dangerous to children.

Plastic leaves draped over a doorway are?