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bagerroness

04-20-2009, 01:08 PM

YoYo

04-20-2009, 01:13 PM

The "remorse" I'm feeling is that maybe I didn't try hard enough to convince some of my family they were making a mistake. MO

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 01:28 PM

Well sometimes people are influenced or attracted to big money campaigns, ones with bells and whistles and alot of extra money thrown around. I've discovered that big money does not buy happiness or security in my daily life and in choosing politicians. Sometimes the most flamboyant of politicians turn out to be the worst. IMO..

Carol25

04-20-2009, 01:43 PM

The last poll I looked at shows that 34% of the people are happy with the direction in which the country is going. I think many fear the future.

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 01:48 PM

The last poll I looked at shows that 34% of the people are happy with the direction in which the country is going. I think many fear the future.

34% is not good at all.... IMO :sad:

Alliekat

04-20-2009, 02:05 PM

The last poll I looked at shows that 34% of the people are happy with the direction in which the country is going. I think many fear the future.

Could you please provide the poll? Was it an AOL poll? :rolleyes:

baltoman99

04-20-2009, 02:09 PM

Could you please provide the poll? Was it an AOL poll? :rolleyes:

I find it quite comical that threads like this get started that are so far out there it isn't even funny.

Any poll you look at shows Obama with an approval rating of anywhere from 61 to 65% yet they're talking about voters remorse?

The only remorse I continue to see is those 28%'ers who still haven't stopped stomping their feet because McCain lost. Oh well, par for the course I suppose.

Hey Paula

04-20-2009, 02:24 PM

34% is not good at all.... IMO :sad:

By the Numbers:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers

Obama Approval Index History

NB: The 'Strongly Approve' latest figure reached a new low, and the 'Strongly Disapprove' percentage reached a new high. IMO, this is significant.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

theal3

04-20-2009, 03:37 PM

I find it quite comical that threads like this get started that are so far out there it isn't even funny.

Any poll you look at shows Obama with an approval rating of anywhere from 61 to 65% yet they're talking about voters remorse?

The only remorse I continue to see is those 28%'ers who still haven't stopped stomping their feet because McCain lost. Oh well, par for the course I suppose.

They're still in campaign mode: sneer, smear, lie, hate speech. I've never seen anything like it in my life, except during the civil rights movement in the early 60s; and the teacher & public school bashing in the mid 80s. I feel remorse for our country, as the whole world is watching.

IndyRepub

04-20-2009, 03:49 PM

The last poll I looked at shows that 34% of the people are happy with the direction in which the country is going. I think many fear the future.
That's right. But you'll see that it's the highest number since September. Things are improving greatly.

IndyRepub

04-20-2009, 03:50 PM

Politics Article- food for thought and discussion.. Current 2/09 anyone else feeling "voter's remorse" ?

http://townhall.com/columnists/LorieByrd/2009/02/10/obama_voters_remorse

this is what I've been seeing so I decided to do a google search of remorse and low and behold I found an article of interest. The article is from Feb 2009 so it doesn't address the overwelming unemployment and spending issues that we've seen these past few months.

I was hoping for change and hope but voters have let me down.. IMO

Anyone else feeling voter's remorse?

Townhall is a very RW blog. Besides that, I do feel remorse that I voted for McCain and bought into the "Obama is an empty suit" mantra.

IndyRepub

04-20-2009, 04:01 PM

The last poll I looked at shows that 34% of the people are happy with the direction in which the country is going. I think many fear the future.

Oops-it's at 45%. The % of people who feel the country is headed in the right direction is the highest it's been since September. Things are improving greatly.

"Generally speaking, would you say things in this country are heading in the right direction, or are they off on the wrong track?"

.

Right Direction Wrong Track Unsure
% % %

4/2-6/09
45 48 7

3/5-9/09
44 48 8

2/6-9/09
42 50 8

11/6-9/08
32 64 4

10/2-6/08
21 73 6

9/5-9/08
33 64 3

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm

Amy Thist

04-20-2009, 05:11 PM

Who has buyer's remorse? I am not really surprised to see that coming from Town hall. :lol: It's more like propaganda imo.

Amy Thist

04-20-2009, 05:27 PM

I second that. I also love the dated articles used to start these threads.:rolleyes:

Actually it is kind of pitiful.
As for me I am glad that President Obama is our president definitely a welcomed relief for me and I know for many others.:thumbsup:

Amy Thist

04-20-2009, 05:36 PM

Have you noticed that so many of them post so much anti Obama stuff but they never criticize their own party or praise them either, LOL. I think they are just stuck in the mud. What I've noticed is that there is always a bunch of negative stuff about president Obama, but i never see any posts giving solutions just like the republicans in Congress. You know a person can only take so many sour grapes at some point you need to be for something. It is so predictable. Anyway I think it's fun to point out the regurgitation as you just did.:thumbsup:

watcher2005

04-20-2009, 05:51 PM

I don't think the article is about polls.

YoYo

04-20-2009, 05:53 PM

I find it quite comical that threads like this get started that are so far out there it isn't even funny.

Any poll you look at shows Obama with an approval rating of anywhere from 61 to 65% yet they're talking about voters remorse?

The only remorse I continue to see is those 28%'ers who still haven't stopped stomping their feet because McCain lost. Oh well, par for the course I suppose.

I find it quite comical that a new poll thread is started frequently when results haven't changed one iota.

BTW, poll results have dropped from 68% in January to 63% today so apparently someone is feeling something. MO

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 08:44 PM

The only remorse I feel, is that I wasn't as successful as I might have hoped in putting all the nonsense myths to rest. I still know people who believe Obama is a Muslim, is a non citizen, is a socialists etc. I spent so many hours attempting to educate people, and get them up to speed on the issues, and I failed.

Not with everyone of course, but with several. those myths are the least of our problems.. it's more about job performance or non-performance.

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 09:00 PM

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 09:03 PM

The gallop polls are interesting historically, too ....back to Harry Truman iirc. An article on the gallop from an earlier link was comparing Pres Obama to all presidents since Truman. Needless to say, he more than measured up; what will be interesting as to how those former presidents will look compared to Obama in the last two months of his term. :thumbsup:

Unfortunately this is about "voter remorse" .. those that aren't polled.. so this is not about polls.

Lady_Jean_La

04-20-2009, 09:13 PM

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 09:25 PM

Isn't that almost as high as President Carter was?
This administration is reminding me a lot of the Carter administration except without all the tax cheats. IMO

Susan43

04-20-2009, 09:38 PM

Cute, isn't it. If only they had displayed a modicum of this attention to detail 8 years ago, maybe 4000 young Americans and unaccounted for numbers of 'collateral damage' would still be alive, and the economy wouldn't be in the tank.

No, it's not at all cute. It almost seems like they had their eyes closed for the last few years and if they did open them it was to defend the undefendable. Start a war? That was OK with them, after all Saddam was such a bad guy. Out a CIA agent? Yell at the top of their voices she wasn't one...even though the CIA released her employment records. Interfer with private family business? Just stay real quiet on that one. Over and over again some people either defended that administration or just kept their eyes shut. Now they make issues out of bows, smiles and books. Small, petty people that ignore big issues and make mountains out of molehills. Sorry, I don't think it's a bit cute.

bagerroness

04-20-2009, 09:41 PM

I find it quite comical that a new poll thread is started frequently when results haven't changed one iota.

BTW, poll results have dropped from 68% in January to 63% today so apparently someone is feeling something. MO I agree.. I'm not a "poll" person but rather a "what people are saying and feeling on the streets".. those who aren't polled...I'm seeing alot of "voters remorse" and I think the poll watchers will be seeing more of this decline in the polls and more and more people will become remorseful as the Economy and Job market does not change.. IMO

Brentwood

04-20-2009, 09:55 PM

No, it's not at all cute. It almost seems like they had their eyes closed for the last few years and if they did open them it was to defend the undefendable. Start a war? That was OK with them, after all Saddam was such a bad guy. Out a CIA agent? Yell at the top of their voices she wasn't one...even though the CIA released her employment records. Interfer with private family business? Just stay real quiet on that one. Over and over again some people either defended that administration or just kept their eyes shut. Now they make issues out of bows, smiles and books. Small, petty people that ignore big issues and make mountains out of molehills. Sorry, I don't think it's a bit cute.

I couldn't agree with you more. Well said!

Susan43

04-20-2009, 09:58 PM

BTW .... tia .. Susan43 ... great phrase "bows, smiles and books" ... add pizza and we have the platform of the Grassroots Disgruntled Former b supporters.

OH yes, how could we forget the pizza and then there's the cocktail parties too that actually serve expensive meat. Because God forbid the Obama's might have some fun sometime. I should start keeping a file on all the pettiness, they've really been racking them up in the last 3 months

firsttoserve

04-20-2009, 10:55 PM

Unfortunately this is about "voter remorse" .. those that aren't polled.. so this is not about polls.

Just curious, seeing how I am new, how do we know 'those that aren't polled'? I mean, in my home town, we are starting to see an upswing......:confused: If this is not about polls, why have you referred to polls in your previous posts? Whew! Just trying to figure it all out!:wink:

baltoman99

04-20-2009, 11:03 PM

Isn't that almost as high as President Carter was?

Your point?

I recall others having as high approval ratings yet you single out Carter. Why is that? Are you saying Obama is somehow going to turn out like Carter?

IndyRepub

04-20-2009, 11:06 PM

Your point?

I recall others having as high approval ratings yet you single out Carter. Why is that? Are you saying Obama is somehow going to turn out like Carter?
Newt Gingrich compared Obama to Carter today. Coincidence? Hmmm...

Isn't it terrific that Obama only dropped 5% in 3 months after everything he has already accomplished, including some VERY controversial legislation?! :thumbsup:

Susan43

04-20-2009, 11:10 PM

Your point?

I recall others having as high approval ratings yet you single out Carter. Why is that? Are you saying Obama is somehow going to turn out like Carter?

This is the latest RW talking point. I just watched Rachel and she showed a couple of clips of Newt comparing Obama to Carter.

I can see this is going to be the newest talking point...Obama is weak. LOL

Seems to me that they weren't watching Obama during the race for the WH.

baltoman99

04-20-2009, 11:16 PM

This is the latest RW talking point. I just watched Rachel and she showed a couple of clips of Newt comparing Obama to Carter.

I can see this is going to be the newest talking point...Obama is weak. LOL

Seems to me that they weren't watching Obama during the race for the WH.

I was watching for a bit and the part I found interesting was the guy, can't remember his name, saying that Obama needs to stay out of any talk of prosecuting and investigating of those who approved torture.

I see that some are bent out of shape over this one but after hearing Holder talking about a special prosecutor I'm seeing a good cop/bad cop scenario.

IMO Obama is still playing chess. No way he wants to allow those responsible get away with what happened but he's got to play it smart IMO.

Susan43

04-21-2009, 01:13 AM

I was watching for a bit and the part I found interesting was the guy, can't remember his name, saying that Obama needs to stay out of any talk of prosecuting and investigating of those who approved torture.

I see that some are bent out of shape over this one but after hearing Holder talking about a special prosecutor I'm seeing a good cop/bad cop scenario.

IMO Obama is still playing chess. No way he wants to allow those responsible get away with what happened but he's got to play it smart IMO.

I really don't know, but then I'm not a good chess player. But Obama is a good chess player and I won't be surprised at anything that happens. It tore up the country pretty bad when they went after Clinton and tried him, I would hate to see that happen again.

But hell, we're so polarized now...whatever they choose to do with this I really don't care. I know I probably should, I never want to see us be a torture country outside the law again, because it sickens me and makes me ashamed of my country.

But whatever they do if fine.

invreporter1105

04-21-2009, 01:34 AM

The only remorse I feel, is that I wasn't as successful as I might have hoped in putting all the nonsense myths to rest. I still know people who believe Obama is a Muslim, is a non citizen, is a socialists etc. I spent so many hours attempting to educate people, and get them up to speed on the issues, and I failed.

Not with everyone of course, but with several.

Sadly, I know many people whom voted for Obama even thought they believed he would move our country toward socialism. They couldn't vote for another Republican, so they chose Obama.

imo

invreporter1105

04-21-2009, 01:52 AM

Right! Of course they did. jmo :patriot: I don't know anyone who did that. Imagine you knowing "many". Totally amazing. hahahaha jmo

Apparently you are surrounded by nothing but 100% liberals.

MiamiNice1

04-21-2009, 02:04 AM

This is the latest RW talking point. I just watched Rachel and she showed a couple of clips of Newt comparing Obama to Carter.

I can see this is going to be the newest talking point...Obama is weak. LOL

Seems to me that they weren't watching Obama during the race for the WH.
Nice try, Rachel, blaming it on Gingrich. The LW talking heads rarely get their information right. [pun not intended]

The comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter was begun by a couple of people - one of them, mentioned by Fareed Zakaria (CNN International Editor and Columnist) in this interview is:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/03/zakaria.g20/index.html

"British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter."

p.s. Fareed Zakaria also mentions how talk in certain circles is that Obama is failing as the leader of the free world. Oops.

imo

flareon

04-21-2009, 02:24 AM

Sadly, I know many people whom voted for Obama even thought they believed he would move our country toward socialism. They couldn't vote for another Republican, so they chose Obama.

imo

I do too. If this last election hadn't been such a referendum on the Republicans, Obama most likely wouldn't have won.

flareon

04-21-2009, 02:26 AM

Nice try, Rachel, blaming it on Gingrich. The LW talking heads rarely get their information right. [pun not intended]

"British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter."

p.s. Fareed Zakaria also mentions how talk in certain circles is that Obama is failing as the leader of the free world. Oops.

imo

You got that right. My God during the primary people always referred to Obama as Carter II. From the looks of it now, it isn't a real compliment to Carter. :biggrin:

flareon

04-21-2009, 02:29 AM

I agree.. I'm not a "poll" person but rather a "what people are saying and feeling on the streets".. those who aren't polled...I'm seeing alot of "voters remorse" and I think the poll watchers will be seeing more of this decline in the polls and more and more people will become remorseful as the Economy and Job market does not change.. IMO

Your way is the best way to get a snapshot of what people are thinking in your area. These polls are somewhat interesting, but they are hardly an accurate picture of how the majority of people feel about the direction of the country.

Susan43

04-21-2009, 02:39 AM

Nice try, Rachel, blaming it on Gingrich. The LW talking heads rarely get their information right. [pun not intended]

The comparing Obama to Jimmy Carter was begun by a couple of people - one of them, mentioned by Fareed Zakaria (CNN International Editor and Columnist) in this interview is:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/03/zakaria.g20/index.html

"British columnist Jonathan Freedland wrote in The Guardian newspaper that President Obama looks neither like JFK nor FDR but rather JEC -- that's James Earl Carter -- better known here as Jimmy Carter."

p.s. Fareed Zakaria also mentions how talk in certain circles is that Obama is failing as the leader of the free world. Oops.

imo

Hellooooooo....I saw him say it, twice! And Newt started saying it back in Feb.

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich had some sharp words for President Barack Obama, calling the speech Obama gave to the House Democratic caucus retreat in Williamsburg, Virginia, "Carter-like."
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/07/newt-gingrich-calls-obama-speech-carter-like/

The railing on Carter and his policies served as a means for Gingrich to draw parallels with Obama. He went so far as to describe Obama as "stunningly Carter-esque."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/17/1898141.aspx

Gingrich appeared on a number of morning talk shows comparing Obama to President Jimmy Carter for the smiling, hearty handshake he offered Chavez...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/Gingrich_slams_Obama_over_Chavez.html

It's obvious that Newt has decided that he has a winning talking point here. His only problem is that anyone under 40 probably won't know what he's talking about. I certainly expect to hear more of it from the right.

BTW here's a few pictures for you.

Gingrich: "We didn't rush over, smile and greet Russian dictators"

http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/gingirch-we-didnt-rush-over-smile-and.html

Susan43

04-21-2009, 02:42 AM

You got that right. My God during the primary people always referred to Obama as Carter II. From the looks of it now, it isn't a real compliment to Carter. :biggrin:

Oh baloney, it's a new RW talking point. I have links up the kazoo from the primary race and don't have one that ever compares Obama to Carter.

If you heard it so much you shouldn't have any problem posting a link.

invreporter1105

04-21-2009, 02:42 AM

Wonderful FACTS!! I love "FACTS". Thank you, susan!!! jmo :thumbsup:

I love facts too. Just like the ones I posted on a couple of threads that mysteriously closed in recent days. :ohmy:

MiamiNice1

04-21-2009, 02:43 AM

Hellooooooo....I saw him say it, twice! And Newt started saying it back in Feb.

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich had some sharp words for President Barack Obama, calling the speech Obama gave to the House Democratic caucus retreat in Williamsburg, Virginia, "Carter-like."
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/07/newt-gingrich-calls-obama-speech-carter-like/

The railing on Carter and his policies served as a means for Gingrich to draw parallels with Obama. He went so far as to describe Obama as "stunningly Carter-esque."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/17/1898141.aspx

Gingrich appeared on a number of morning talk shows comparing Obama to President Jimmy Carter for the smiling, hearty handshake he offered Chavez...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/Gingrich_slams_Obama_over_Chavez.html

It's obvious that Newt has decided that he has a winning talking point here. His only problem is that anyone under 40 probably won't know what he's talking about. I certainly expect to hear more of it from the right.

BTW here's a few pictures for you.

Gingrich: "We didn't rush over, smile and greet Russian dictators"

http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/gingirch-we-didnt-rush-over-smile-and.html

I didn't say Gingrich wasn't right.....just that he wasn't the only one saying that Obama was resembling Carter. Guess some powerful people agree with this comparison!

imo

Susan43

04-21-2009, 02:44 AM

I didn't say Gingrich wasn't right.....just that he wasn't the only one saying that Obama was resembling Carter. Guess some powerful people agree with this comparison!

imo

Powerful people? :lol::lol::lol:

MiamiNice1

04-21-2009, 02:45 AM

You got that right. My God during the primary people always referred to Obama as Carter II. From the looks of it now, it isn't a real compliment to Carter. :biggrin:

:lol: It has been said that Carter is a better EX-president than president. I'm impressed that some heavy hitters are making this comparison. Even some "across the pond."

imo

flareon

04-21-2009, 02:49 AM

:lol: It has been said that Carter is a better EX-president than president. I'm impressed that some heavy hitters are making this comparison. Even some "across the pond."

imo

I think that is true. Carter was a good man, but he was an awful president. But we may be longing for the Carter years soon.

MiamiNice1

04-21-2009, 02:54 AM

I think that is true. Carter was a good man, but he was an awful president. But we may be longing for the Carter years soon.
Bite your keyboard, flare! :scared:

Bill Clinton in an interview with Greta Van Sustern last month, when asked what he thought of the stimulus said that (paraphrased) soon, when the interest payments are due on the billions we've borrowed from China and other countries that we do not have, we'll be looking at high interest rates and inflation. Sound familiar?

imo

flareon

04-21-2009, 02:59 AM

Bite your keyboard, flare! :scared:

Bill Clinton in an interview with Greta Van Sustern last month, when asked what he thought of the stimulus said that (paraphrased) soon, when the interest payments are due on the billions we've borrowed from China and other countries that we do not have, we'll be looking at high interest rates and inflation. Sound familiar?

imo

I think that is what many people are afraid of and it does sound "Carterish". The bad thing is, as always, when this debacle blows up the ones who will be footing the bill aren't going to be the ones who benefited from the excess.

watcher2005

04-21-2009, 06:10 AM

Baloney! That's just ridiculous. Nice try though!!! jmo :lol:

...

The election wasn't a referendum against Republicans? Very interesting.

shiloh2000

04-21-2009, 09:25 AM

The only people who continue to support him today are the ones who advocate socialism and more government control. MOO

crocdog1

04-21-2009, 09:45 AM

The only "remorse" I have about Obama is that we had to wait until 2008 to elect him. Oh, and that I am only allowed one vote.

YOU GOT THAT ONE RIGHT!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Sorry for tha loud response. I just couldn't help myself.

crocdog1

04-21-2009, 09:57 AM

those myths are the least of our problems.. it's more about job performance or non-performance.

Problem is, most of the signs in the April 15 TAX PROTESTS were not about TAXES, but were of the myths you speak of.

joolz

04-21-2009, 10:05 AM

Newt!!!!! As if Newt has an opinion worth two cents! Anybody want to talk about Newt's past??? Anybody??? jmo :lol:

It's a bit OT, but speaking of pasts: how about that Rudy Guiliani as a staunch supporter of traditional marriage? :lol:

emdragon

04-21-2009, 03:47 PM

I think that is true. Carter was a good man, but he was an awful president. But we may be longing for the Carter years soon.

Carter wasn't a bad president- he had the unfortunate luck of being elected at a time when economically this country was in the toilet not even a Republican would not have fared any better in those times.

Carter was a President that this country should look back on with pride as he is the last man to hold the office who was honest, had integrity and a moral compass. (can't include Obama as 90 days isn't enough time to say what his character will ultimately be after his terms are up)

At a different time in history Carter would have gone down as our greatest President.

But even with his economic failures he is still someone this country should be proud to have had representing us to the world. Believing in Peace should never be seen as a bad thing.

watcher2005

04-21-2009, 04:50 PM

bagerroness

04-21-2009, 06:14 PM

The election wasn't a referendum against Republicans? Very interesting.
I thought it was a mandate for "hope and change" .. the change has been Govt. is spending MORE.. and the hope is that there won't be any more layoffs.. millions of people layed off this year already... so things aren't looking good.. IMO

bagerroness

04-21-2009, 06:16 PM

"KRS ONE and Professor Griff Slam Obama in New Documentary"

© 2008 LiveSteez.com. All Rights Reserved.

http://livesteez.com/news/read/KRS-ONE-and-Professor-Griff-Slam-Obama-in-New-Documentary/1862.html

I wonder what Janeane Garofalo would have to say about that. We need to pray for poor Janeane she is a lost, angry soul and I feel sorry for her.. I hope she finds a job soon. IMO

YoYo

04-21-2009, 06:19 PM

Baloney! That's just ridiculous. Nice try though!!! jmo :lol:

However, what's the RW's excuse going to be when they lose the next Pres. election in 2012, 2016, etc....??? :lol: jmo

What's your excuse going to be when Obama falls flat on his face? MO

flareon

04-22-2009, 02:51 AM

We need to pray for poor Janeane she is a lost, angry soul and I feel sorry for her.. I hope she finds a job soon. IMO

Just like all of her ilk, she trades on the baser instincts of people. She knows her audience and she serves them at their level. Without that, no one would listen to her.

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 07:57 AM

You had better pray that you're not hanging until it happens. it would be a long wait. That would be so uncomfortable for you. :tonguewag: what is uncomfortable is this Economic Crisis with nothing being done about it.. what is uncomfortable is the the rise in Unemployment on a daily basis that is not being addressed. What is uncomfortable is the massive spending by our Government so this is causing discomfort and voter remorse. IMO

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 08:16 AM

Carter wasn't a bad president- he had the unfortunate luck of being elected at a time when economically this country was in the toilet not even a Republican would not have fared any better in those times.

Carter was a President that this country should look back on with pride as he is the last man to hold the office who was honest, had integrity and a moral compass. (can't include Obama as 90 days isn't enough time to say what his character will ultimately be after his terms are up)

At a different time in history Carter would have gone down as our greatest President.

But even with his economic failures he is still someone this country should be proud to have had representing us to the world. Believing in Peace should never be seen as a bad thing.
All Presidents "believe" in peace.. however, there is a difference in how "peace" is approached. Some might say that it's not good for Leaders to go to Europe and bash ones people by calling them 'arrogant" while trying to make peace with the world.. this caused unpeacefullness with citizens who are called "arrogant" the "arrogant" ones who are suffering and speaking out about the horrible conditions in the US that have worsened in 2009.. there is no Peace, or Bail Out for the American people.. and that IMO is what is important right now.. not world Leader image or popularity.. it's caring for the people of ones country.. being concerned about our Economy and Unemployment and addressing it ASAP.. which is not being done.. IMO

YoYo

04-22-2009, 08:50 AM

what is uncomfortable is this Economic Crisis with nothing being done about it.. what is uncomfortable is the the rise in Unemployment on a daily basis that is not being addressed. What is uncomfortable is the massive spending by our Government so this is causing discomfort and voter remorse. IMO

Definitely.......and indisputable. MO

Baroness

04-22-2009, 09:27 AM

Obama's voter's remorse?????

Well considering this:

Obama’s Job Approval Rating Remains Stable
Similar to a month ago, nearly two out of three Americans (63%) approve of way Obama is handling his job as President

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=4342

and only 52% voted for him. It seems he's gained supporters.

However the numbers say that 11% of McCain voters are thanking their lucky stars he lost.

Kate

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 09:34 AM

Baroness

04-22-2009, 10:13 AM

Imagine what his approval rating would be if he would actually do something, like fix our Economy and Unemployment crisis. His approval rating would sky rocket and wouldn't just be based on partisan popularity. IMO :smile:

His popularity is skyrocketing and it's not partisen. In fact 11% of McCain voters approve of Obama.

On the other hand if he could fix this economic clusterflock in less than 100 days---he would be from planet Krypton.

(BTW--cutting more taxes isn't going to fix it--we tried that--it didn't work)

Kate

Baroness

04-22-2009, 10:17 AM

Don't forget that some of us do just fine no matter who is in the WH. This blaming everything on the past 8 years or the present 4 months is just a waste of time. IMO

It would be, except that those who want to blame Obama for this mess, also want to use GOP zombie economic therapy on it.

Apparently it has to be pointed out, over and over again, that trickle down economics was a failure and tax cuts are not a universal panacea.

Kate

crocdog1

04-22-2009, 10:20 AM

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 10:20 AM

Don't forget that some of us do just fine no matter who is in the WH. This blaming everything on the past 8 years or the present 4 months is just a waste of time. IMO Welcome, and you are correct.. I think right now we need to focus on the "here and now" and really get our country back on track economically and saving and creating jobs.. that is why Obama was elected.. IMO He knew full well while he was campaiging for 2 years that this would be his main priority.. all candidates made this their priority in speeches to fix the economy and save and create jobs.. obama won,.. so we need to see results/paybacks for votes... IMO

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 10:25 AM

IMO, The only Obama Remorse I see, is coming from those who did not (and never will) vote for him to be our President.

These folks certainly do not speak for me, or for the majority of Americans who voted for him on 11/04/08. I think there is alot of remorse from Dems and Independents as well.. we can't lower our standards or be blinded based on popularity and flamboyance...this was a great country and some of us would like to see it a great country again.. but we can't get it back by lowering our expections and standards... IMO

Baroness

04-22-2009, 10:32 AM

Welcome, and you are correct.. I think right now we need to focus on the "here and now" and really get our country back on track economically and saving and creating jobs.. that is why Obama was elected.. IMO He knew full well while he was campaiging for 2 years that this would be his main priority.. all candidates made this their priority in speeches to fix the economy and save and create jobs.. obama won,.. so we need to see results/paybacks for votes... IMO

Actually for most of the time he was campaiging it was clear that Iraq, not the economy, would be his main priority. It wasn't until the end of the campaign that the economy became a clusterflock.

September, 2008, I believe.

But carry on----not that we haven't heard it before :D

Kate

bagerroness

04-22-2009, 01:52 PM

I wonder if the McCain voters remember last September when John McCain stated that "the fundamentals of our economy are sound" !!

I remember, but how quickly some forget. another reason why McCain didn't win and Obama did.. Obama knew the problems he faced last year.. yet there is no quick fix for the american people..even after all the hundreds of speeches talking about the Economy and Jobs.. sitting around the kitchen table..etc... we are worse off now than last year.. IMO

YoYo

04-22-2009, 02:36 PM

His popularity is skyrocketing and it's not partisen. In fact 11% of McCain voters approve of Obama.

On the other hand if he could fix this economic clusterflock in less than 100 days---he would be from planet Krypton.

(BTW--cutting more taxes isn't going to fix it--we tried that--it didn't work)

Kate

Maybe you can explain how going from 68% in January to 62% approval last week is "skyrocketing." MO

emdragon

04-22-2009, 03:07 PM

another reason why McCain didn't win and Obama did.. Obama knew the problems he faced last year.. yet there is no quick fix for the american people..even after all the hundreds of speeches talking about the Economy and Jobs.. sitting around the kitchen table..etc... we are worse off now than last year.. IMO

I guess too many people forget that things get worse before they get better.

I work retail and I can honestly say while the past few months have been down a bit from last year they are still way up from the 4 years before that.

Anyone who believes that Obama could fix all the problems left to him in 3 months are not living in reality. It took 8 years to get where we are digging ourselves out will take more than 90 days.

And just in case you have forgotten the President has many things on his plate at one time- it takes an artful juggler to deal with all of them and not drop the ball on something else.

Obama is doing as good a job, better actually than McCain would have done so why don't we stop the nay saying and doom and gloom i tighten our belts and chip in to help ourselves instead of sitting back complaining about the man you didn't vote for.

DesertWalker

04-22-2009, 03:13 PM

By the Numbers:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers

Obama Approval Index History

NB: The 'Strongly Approve' latest figure reached a new low, and the 'Strongly Disapprove' percentage reached a new high. IMO, this is significant.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_historyWhat I note is his going from a +28 on 1/21/09 to a +2 on 4/22/09. IMO what is most likely changing the numbers is that 60% also say the government has too much power and too much money.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/60_say_government_has_too_much_power_too_much_mone y

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 03:45 PM

Imagine what his approval rating would be if he would actually do something, like fix our Economy and Unemployment crisis. His approval rating would sky rocket and wouldn't just be based on partisan popularity. IMO :smile:

"Official: Obama Accomplished More in 30 Days Than Any President in Modern History"

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/official-obama.html

:thumbsup:

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Maybe you can explain how going from 68% in January to 62% approval last week is "skyrocketing." MO

He's at 64% approval today http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx and that's after passing more legislation (some very controversial) and getting more accomplished than probably any president in history. Lots of attacks from the other side in the process and he's only down 4%!

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 03:55 PM

His popularity is skyrocketing and it's not partisen. In fact 11% of McCain voters approve of Obama.

On the other hand if he could fix this economic clusterflock in less than 100 days---he would be from planet Krypton.

(BTW--cutting more taxes isn't going to fix it--we tried that--it didn't work)

Kate

Count me as one of those McCain voters who now approves of Obama. Not only do I approve of him, I am very PROUD to have him as our president after seeing how popular he is in the rest of the world, too.

watcher2005

04-22-2009, 08:38 PM

Count me as one of those McCain voters who now approves of Obama. Not only do I approve of him, I am very PROUD to have him as our president after seeing how popular he is in the rest of the world, too.

That is consistent. Their policies were not significantly different, IMO.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 08:55 PM

That is consistent. Their policies were not significantly different, IMO.

Really? So you think McCain=Obama? Do you think McCain would've overturned Bush's policies that Obama overturned? And that McCain would've signed the legislation that Obama signed? Really?

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 08:57 PM

Thanks so much for posting this article.
YVW. I figured I had to rebut the ridiculous notion that President Obama hasn't accomplished anything.

daniel green

04-22-2009, 09:00 PM

He's at 64% approval today [url]snipped

Isn't that amazing. Up 4 pts this wk. Even after the roundtheclock attacks about silly things.

YoYo

04-22-2009, 09:16 PM

Isn't that amazing. Up 4 pts this wk. Even after the roundtheclock attacks about silly things.

Up 4 pts? ROFL..........just yesterday a poll was posted that showed he was at 63 so when did the difference in 63 and 64 become 4? Oh, different polls which means you can get as many different results are there are polls. Gotcha. MO

daniel green

04-22-2009, 09:20 PM

Up 4 pts? ROFL..........just yesterday a poll was posted that showed he was at 63 so when did the difference in 63 and 64 become 4? Oh, different polls which means you can get as many different results are there are polls. Gotcha. MO

Same gallup daily tracking.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

59% on April 9th.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 09:24 PM

Isn't that amazing. Up 4 pts this wk. Even after the roundtheclock attacks about silly things.

Yes, it is. And just today a Repub. Congressman/Senator claimed Obama voters are having "buyer's remorse." Heck-I voted for McCain and I have VOTER'S remorse! :D

Susan43

04-22-2009, 09:28 PM

Same gallup daily tracking.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

59% on April 9th.

Bring on the tea parties! :biggrin:

I read this earlier and thought it might interest you. Sounds like Newt wants to rename Independence Day. There might be adult words in the comments, please don't read them if you get offended easily.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=20314

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 09:29 PM

I wonder how John McCain equals President Obama? Mrs. Palin versus Joe Bidden. In my opinion there is no comparison between the two people and V.P. Bidden is much better then Mrs. Palin.

I did not have the same faith in Senator McCain as you did. With Mrs. Palin as his running mate I could not vote for him in good conscience.

For goodness sakes I just could not see her running the country if Mr. McCain had a heart attack. We would not have a country left at term end.

But that is just my opinion on this.

He doesn't. I seriously doubt McCain would've made our country as liked again as Obama has. Nor would he have been big enough to reach out to the Muslim world let alone just be civil to Chavez and others. And he surely wouldn't have made the video to the Iranian people like Obama did. What was I thinking when I voted for McCain? I was a Repub. who saw McCain distancing himself from Bush almost as much as Obama did. Old habits die hard, I guess, but I am now very impressed with President Obama for all the reasons I mentioned and more. :)

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 09:31 PM

How many vacation weekends in Texas did Bush have in his first 30 days? Just curious!

I'm not sure, but it seems like he may as well have been. He didn't accomplish much.

Susan43

04-22-2009, 09:31 PM

He doesn't. I seriously doubt McCain would've made our country as liked again as Obama has. Nor would he have been big enough to reach out to the Muslim world let alone just be civil to Chavez and others. And he surely wouldn't have made the video to the Iranian people like Obama did. What was I thinking when I voted for McCain? I was a Repub. who saw McCain distancing himself from Bush almost as much as Obama did. Old habits die hard, I guess, but I am now very impressed with President Obama for all the reasons I mentioned and more. :)

You're not alone. I was watching the Ed show today and he was saying that 11% of the McCain voters are now supporting Obama. There are people that aren't just listening to FNC, but are thinking for themselves.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 09:35 PM

You're not alone. I was watching the Ed show today and he was saying that 11% of the McCain voters are now supporting Obama. There are people that aren't just listening to FNC, but are thinking for themselves.
Thanks for having compassion by letting me know I'm not alone. :smile: I stopped watching FNC after Obama became president and all they did was continue to badmouth him. I couldn't take it anymore.

p.s. I love your posts.

YoYo

04-22-2009, 09:37 PM

Same gallup daily tracking.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

59% on April 9th.

:rolleyes:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352253

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 10:25 PM

I agree with you completely Indy. Mr. McCain would not have done most of the things President Obama has done in three months. He would have continued Mr. Bushs' policies and just made everything so much worse. I do not think Mrs. Palin would have made a good Vice President either.

Do not feel badly about voting for Mr. McCain. I was a Republican once. The last administration left me very disillusioned. I had to change my party and vote in a different way. Old habits do die hard.

This is just my opinion.

Thanks, Irish Spring. I never liked Palin. I voted for McCain despite her, just hoping REALLY hard that he would stay healthy. I just held on to my belief that McCain, a real war hero, could keep us safe. I am now very happy that he lost when I see how competent a president Obama is, unlike the way he was portrayed in the GE.

I guess you learned faster than me, but I'm on the same page as you now, as I'm sure lots of McCain voters are. :smile:

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 10:43 PM

I agree Indy. Just didn't have your faith when it came to his health. Also on his voting record for vets. It's just abysmal. No I'm very glad to have voted for President Obama. This is my opinion.

Looking back, I was wrong to cling to my party affiliation like I did. Well, I learned a lesson. Better late than never. :smile:

Susan43

04-22-2009, 10:52 PM

Thanks for having compassion by letting me know I'm not alone. :smile: I stopped watching FNC after Obama became president and all they did was continue to badmouth him. I couldn't take it anymore.

p.s. I love your posts.

TYVM Indy, it must be very difficult having been loyal to your party to watch what's happening to it. Two of the blogs I read regularly are owned by former repubs. One is still a conservative, the other has moved further left, mostly because of the healthcare issue. But I do find it interesting to see things through their eyes.

I make no bones about it that I'm a yellow dog dem. I voted for Nixon and that was the end of the GOP for me. I've been through ups and downs with them and I'm delighted to see so many other people are finally getting it, that being progressive is the way to go.

firsttoserve

04-22-2009, 10:57 PM

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 10:58 PM

Never beat youself up for 20-20 hindsite. My mom always used to say that.:smile:

Thanks to you and your mom. :biggrin:

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:08 PM

TYVM Indy, it must be very difficult having been loyal to your party to watch what's happening to it. Two of the blogs I read regularly are owned by former repubs. One is still a conservative, the other has moved further left, mostly because of the healthcare issue. But I do find it interesting to see things through their eyes.

I make no bones about it that I'm a yellow dog dem. I voted for Nixon and that was the end of the GOP for me. I've been through ups and downs with them and I'm delighted to see so many other people are finally getting it, that being progressive is the way to go.

It WAS very, VERY difficult but I must confess it's been getting easier by the day. I feel like I've had a wool blanket slowly lifted off my head and the air and vision is so refreshing.

Andrew Sullivan is someone I like to read. Do you know him? You're smart-I'm sure you do (or you can google him and find out why I like him so much).

Yes, I finally "get it." I almost feel sorry for those who still see President Obama as incompetent and "scary" when just the opposite is true. But at least they are a shrinking minority and I'm not a part of it.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:13 PM

Indy, in fwiw dept, loved my Sen McCain, until he stepped aside for the anointment of b2. Then this time around? His age gave me pause, then when he genuflected and allowed himself to be saddled with Palin. Sad. When did our maverick Johnny get broken?

Thanks for sharing your experience. I somehow believed our Johnny was still there but it looks like he sold his soul. :sad: I have finally seen the light, though. Palin really brought hate into the equation which made it easier for me to swallow when McCain/Palin lost. If she runs in '12, she'll never win.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:15 PM

I will make sure to thank her for you Indy. She will appreciate it.:wink:

:smile: :seeya:

baltoman99

04-22-2009, 11:15 PM

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:19 PM

I know how hard it is Indy. There is one good thing about the silly people that don't like him. Their voices may get louder, but their support base just continues to shrink.

You're right. And the tea parties exposed a "not-too-pretty" picture of them.

Susan43

04-22-2009, 11:52 PM

It WAS very, VERY difficult but I must confess it's been getting easier by the day. I feel like I've had a wool blanket slowly lifted off my head and the air and vision is so refreshing.

Andrew Sullivan is someone I like to read. Do you know him? You're smart-I'm sure you do (or you can google him and find out why I like him so much).

Yes, I finally "get it." I almost feel sorry for those who still see President Obama as incompetent and "scary" when just the opposite is true. But at least they are a shrinking minority and I'm not a part of it.

Yes, Andrew Sullivan is the conservative I was talking about. I'm not sure whether or not he's still a repub. John Cole is the other, he's the owner of Balloon Juice, he definitely a former rightie and of the two he's much funnier.

Susan43

04-22-2009, 11:53 PM

That they did Indy. That they did. I almost had vapors when I saw some of the protestors signs. My goodness, were they protesting taxes or something different about President Obama. I am curious about that.

I think those folks were worried about the well to do going from 35% to 39% taxes. That socialism, don't cha know. :lol:

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:54 PM

That they did Indy. That they did. I almost had vapors when I saw some of the protestors signs. My goodness, were they protesting taxes or something different about President Obama. I am curious about that.

Some of the signs I saw were definitely recycled signs from Palin/anti-Obama rallies. Very ugly and definitely not about taxes.

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:56 PM

I really admire you. There are people that would not admit they made a mistake if their life depended on it. You sound a like a very cool and together person. :smile:

Thanks, Caitlin. I do my best to keep an open mind. It was tough but I feel very good now. :smile:

IndyRepub

04-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Yes, Andrew Sullivan is the conservative I was talking about. I'm not sure whether or not he's still a repub. John Cole is the other, he's the owner of Balloon Juice, he definitely a former rightie and of the two he's much funnier.
Hey-I'm glad you were talking about Sullivan. I feel smarter being on the same wavelength as you. :smile: John Cole is someone I'll check out. Thanks!

watcher2005

04-23-2009, 12:07 AM

Really? So you think McCain=Obama? Do you think McCain would've overturned Bush's policies that Obama overturned? And that McCain would've signed the legislation that Obama signed? Really?

Can you be more specific?

watcher2005

04-23-2009, 12:08 AM

Some of the signs I saw were definitely recycled signs from Palin/anti-Obama rallies. Very ugly and definitely not about taxes.

So, you went?

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 12:29 AM

Some of the signs I saw were definitely recycled signs from Palin/anti-Obama rallies. Very ugly and definitely not about taxes.
How ugly? and what did the signs say?

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 12:35 AM

Was watching C-SPAN either yesterday or today, can't remember which, but Sen. Demint was going on and on about "voters remorse" so I went and read the article at townhall(now I feel all dirty) and sure enough, it was pretty much word for word.

I guess this will be the talking point for the next few weeks while the poll numbers continue to go up for President Obama.

Yet even more proof that the Republicans in Congress aren't in touch with the American people. :biggrin:
I don't think there is anything "dirty" about "voter remorse" it's a bipartisan reality in this country. I'm glad to see people speaking out about it I've been thinking it for some time. If we had seen that hope and change that was promised things would be different.. IMO

flareon

04-23-2009, 02:56 AM

I don't think there is anything "dirty" about "voter remorse" it's a bipartisan reality in this country. I'm glad to see people speaking out about it I've been thinking it for some time. If we had seen that hope and change that was promised things would be different.. IMO

It is a good thing for people to be able to finally see campaign promises as empty rhetoric.

firsttoserve

04-23-2009, 09:12 AM

I don't think there is anything "dirty" about "voter remorse" it's a bipartisan reality in this country. I'm glad to see people speaking out about it I've been thinking it for some time. If we had seen that hope and change that was promised things would be different.. IMO

You couldn't have been thinking about it for too, I mean my goodness! Only three months in office? Were you that naive to think that many yrs would be fixed in a few days? I have more respect for your opinion than to believe that!!:wink:

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:14 AM

You couldn't have been thinking about it for too, I mean my goodness! Only three months in office? Were you that naive to think that many yrs would be fixed in a few days? I have more respect for your opinion than to believe that!!:wink: Welcome, thank you for respecting my opinion especially since you are just new here. BO campaigned for two (2) years so he knew exactly what problems our country faced. BO had a better plan to fix our economy otherwise he wouldnt' have won the position. But, he's still campaigning instead of fixing our economy and unemployment crisis in this country. IMO

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:17 AM

Google and Yahoo search engines are your friends. Use them wisely if you really care.:wink:
I'd prefer that the poster indicate/provide what "signs" he witnessed and what the dirty signs said. Since he/she was an "eye witness" to these signs it would only be wise to get that information from that person wouldn't you think? if such signs exist.

firsttoserve

04-23-2009, 10:18 AM

Welcome, thank you for respecting my opinion especially since you are just new here. BO campaigned for two (2) years so he knew exactly what problems our country faced. BO had a better plan to fix our economy otherwise he wouldnt' have won the position. But, he's still campaigning instead of fixing our economy and unemployment crisis in this country. IMO

Thank you for the Welcome, Bagerroness!:biggrin:

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:21 AM

Sure can. How about the signs portraying Obama as Hitler. Or the one asking about his birth certificate. Maybe the one with pics of him between Hitler and Marx.

I kinda think that goes just a wee bit beyond tax protests. I also have links to the little jewels if necessary. JMO, IMO in that order. if this is true about the Hitler signs.. they were also used for GWB....

anyway.. back to the topic of "voters remorse" this isn't about "signs" but rather millions of people having voters remorse since nothing is being done to fix our economy and joblessness in this country.. IMO

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:24 AM

Oh indeed they exist. Pics are all over the net. As they were on live news coverage. Kind of hard to refute live coverage. IMO
If there were a "few" that is not a big deal as people are just worried that this country will become a "Dictatorship"... for the MOST part the protesting is about huge spending, huge taxation, the wrong direction our country is headed and huge rise in unemployment that isn't being addressed. IMO

now on to "voters remorse" :wink:

Baroness

04-23-2009, 10:28 AM

If there were a "few" that is not a big deal as people are just worried that this country will become a "Dictatorship"... for the MOST part the protesting is about huge spending, huge taxation, the wrong direction our country is headed and huge rise in unemployment that isn't being addressed. IMO

now on to "voters remorse" :wink:

No remorse. According to the latest AP poll, the majority of Americans think the country is headed in a positive direction.

Pretty much for the first time since Jr. invaded Iraq.

I started a thread on it. Check there for the links.

Kate

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:31 AM

It is a good thing for people to be able to finally see campaign promises as empty rhetoric.
Yes, it's a hard pill to swallow and I've never before seen such protest against a new President but when you look at the shape that our country is in and all candidates knew they had to have a smart plan to fix it..we arent' seeing any fixing so this is upsetting and has created much bipartisan unrest in this country. We really need to see massive results very soon otherwise I feel that things will get worse concerning public unrest..especially as Unemployment runs out for millions of people without jobs. IMO

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 10:35 AM

He picked Palin, he broke himself...And a proud party, in the process:sad:
Whatever reason McCain lost, is not an issue today... BO was chosen as a mandate from the american people to FIX our Economy and Unemployment Crisis in this country he has not delivered on those promises so that causes voter remorse on a massive scale IMO

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 11:01 AM

Hey Paula

04-23-2009, 11:10 AM

This is what I'm seeing as well.. another JEC.. so we must brace oursleves for another 4 years like that horrible time in our history of this country is being repeated. I was really hoping that things would turn about after January but all there is, is alot of blaming by the Democrats about "inheriting" and would we heard last year was that if obama were elected we would see change and hope..but the "change" has been for the "worse" but there is still hope that is diminishing very quickly as more and more people are layed off.. IMO

I think BO is far more damaging to this Country than Carter was. BO's megalomania poses a far greater threat to our national and economic security.

IMO

bagerroness

04-23-2009, 11:32 AM

I think BO is far more damaging to this Country than Carter was. BO's megalomania poses a far greater threat to our national and economic security.

IMO I'm starting to think that BO might be worse than Bush as well... at least under Bush we had a strong Economy and low Unemployment until the Democrats took over Congress then things went downhill quickly.. but that's here nor there... I'm extremely worried about the direction of our country and the "megalomania" as you indicated. The egregious spending and quadrillion dollar deficits since January is maddening especially for those who have to follow a strict budget.. and the fact that this spending has not improved our Economy or Unemployment one iota is very frustrating for millions of people.. IMO :sad:

firsttoserve

04-23-2009, 11:38 AM

I'm starting to think that BO might be worse than Bush as well... at least under Bush we had a strong Economy and low Unemployment until the Democrats took over Congress then things went downhill quickly.. but that's here nor there... I'm extremely worried about the direction of our country and the "megalomania" as you indicated. The egregious spending and quadrillion dollar deficits since January is maddening especially for those who have to follow a strict budget.. and the fact that this spending has not improved our Economy or Unemployment one iota is very frustrating for millions of people.. IMO :sad:

There are several mis-truths in your post, and that is disheartening....I'll go away for a bit, and maybe your edit will correct them? Please? Hopefully!:wink:

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:07 PM

Can you be more specific?

Let's see-do you think McCain would've signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act or SCHIP? Do you think he would've set a date to get our combat troops out of Iraq? Do you think he would've gotten a $787 billion stimulus package passed? That's just off the top of my head.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:08 PM

So, you went?

No. I have a box that I look at that shows moving pictures of things that are going on in the country and even the world. it's called a TV.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:22 PM

How ugly? and what did the signs say?

Here's a few pics and slideshows and an article. Food for thought :wink: :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html

http://washingtonindependent.com/38877/scenes-from-the-dc-tea-party-more-photos

http://www.infowars.com/racist-provocateur-exposed-at-san-antonio-tea-party/

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:25 PM

That is tough. I strive to have an open mind, but I don't always make it.

Maybe it was silly, but you know what I had a tought time with? John Edwards and his mistress. I was so crushed. It was unbelievable to me that he would cheat on Elizabeth.

I remember that all of the Republicans had a field day with it and I could not defend him. He did the wrong thing. I guess that we always have to be aware that people are only human and that sometimes they let us down. And be willing to admit it.

That is my biggest problem with Bush supporters and it always has been. No matter what, they defend him. And they accuse us of defending Obama too much!!! :biggrin:

If I ever truly believe that Obama makes a bad decision, I hope I am able to say it. I'm gonna try. :smile:

I was one of those Republicans who wasn't surprised when Edwards was discovered to have cheated on his wife. If he had won the nomination and then that story came out, we'd be looking at President McCain right now.

I do my best to defend people when they deserve it and call them out when they don't.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:28 PM

It is a good thing for people to be able to finally see campaign promises as empty rhetoric.

April 23, 2009-"WASHINGTON - For the first time in years, more Americans than not say the country is headed in the right direction, a sign that Barack Obama has used the first 100 days of his presidency to lift the public's mood and inspire hopes for a brighter future."

http://www.startribune.com/politics/43520607.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7Pa P3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr
:tonguewag:

watcher2005

04-23-2009, 12:29 PM

No. I have a box that I look at that shows moving pictures of things that are going on in the country and even the world. it's called a TV.

That box has been given many negative euphenisms.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:34 PM

That box has been given many negative euphenisms.
Doesn't matter. That's where I saw the signs at the "tea parties." I also saw them on what Ted Stevens calls "a series of tubes"-the internet.

Hey Paula

04-23-2009, 12:43 PM

Doesn't matter. That's where I saw the signs at the "tea parties." I also saw them on what Ted Stevens calls "a series of tubes"-the internet.

Are you judging an entire movement by a few signs you saw? Hundreds of thousands of protesters took part nationwide. For all we know, the signs you saw might have even been carried by opponents of the movement.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 12:52 PM

Are you judging an entire movement by a few signs you saw? Hundreds of thousands of protesters took part nationwide. For all we know, the signs you saw might have even been carried by opponents of the movement.

Yeah, I'm sure you WISH the sign carriers weren't really part of the protestors. But like I said, there were ugly signs and sentiments that had nothing to do with taxes. Afterall, how many of the protestors make more than $250K? None who make less than that are getting their taxes raised.

Hey Paula

04-23-2009, 01:11 PM

Yeah, I'm sure you WISH the sign carriers weren't really part of the protestors. But like I said, there were ugly signs and sentiments that had nothing to do with taxes. Afterall, how many of the protestors make more than $250K? None who make less than that are getting their taxes raised.

Neither you nor I know who was carrying those signs. It's no secret that some intended to disrupt the Tea Parties. And even if some of the protesters didn't carry signs, which met with your approval, the movement itself was peaceful, unlike some of the truly 'ugly' ones we've witnessed in this Country.

Do you honestly believe that only those who make $250K will be taxed, and the revenue generated solely from that group will fund BO's massive spending and untimely program initiatives? If BO's energy bill passes, every household will see an increase in their energy and fuel costs, estimated at more than $3,100 annually.

Furthermore, the protesters are concerned that this out-of-control spending will result in generational theft because our children and grandchildren will suffer the burden of being overly taxed due to reckless debt accumulation by this administration and this congress.

IMO

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 01:27 PM

Neither you nor I know who was carrying those signs. It's no secret that some intended to disrupt the Tea Parties. And even if some of the protesters didn't carry signs, which met with your approval, the movement itself was peaceful, unlike some of the truly 'ugly' ones we've witnessed in this Country.

Do you honestly believe that only those who make $250K will be taxed, and the revenue generated solely from that group will fund BO's massive spending and untimely program initiatives? If BO's energy bill passes, every household will see an increase in their energy and fuel costs, estimated at more than $3,100 annually.

Furthermore, the protesters are concerned that this out-of-control spending will result in generational theft because our children and grandchildren will suffer the burden of being overly taxed due to reckless debt accumulation by this administration and this congress.

IMO

Right. And those who DID disrupt them did so by letting people know Obama is giving a tax CUT to 95% of them! Did you see the video of one of those "disruptors"? He had a megaphone. At first the crowd was with him because he started by saying something NONE of us disagree with like, "WE support our troops!" (cheers and applause) Then he went on to ask, "How many people here make less than $250,000 a year?" (cheers and applause) THEN he said, "Well then you're all getting tax CUTS thanks to President Obama!" (silence and then some boos). It was hilarious. Even the signs some DID hold up about taxes made no sense, like, "No Taxation Without Representation!" Um, we DO have representation. They didn't know what they were talking about.

Hey Paula

04-23-2009, 01:44 PM

Right. And those who DID disrupt them did so by letting people know Obama is giving a tax CUT to 95% of them! Did you see the video of one of those "disruptors"? He had a megaphone. At first the crowd was with him because he started by saying something NONE of us disagree with like, "WE support our troops!" (cheers and applause) Then he went on to ask, "How many people here make less than $250,000 a year?" (cheers and applause) THEN he said, "Well then you're all getting tax CUTS thanks to President Obama!" (silence and then some boos). It was hilarious. Even the signs some DID hold up about taxes made no sense, like, "No Taxation Without Representation!" Um, we DO have representation. They didn't know what they were talking about.

"Taxation Without Representation" simply means the decisions made by this administration, Congress, and some State governors, does not represent or meet the approval of the protesters, their children and their grandchildren. The protesters are astute and are aware that their taxes/living expenses will increase even though they make less than $250K. BO should have taken a cue from Abraham Lincoln and realized that: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

IMO

Doc Holliday

04-23-2009, 02:20 PM

I have no idea what the motivations of the protesters were. They probably ran the spectrum from "just wanted to have a good time" to "I can't stand Obama".

But I strongly suspect future taxes will rise. We aren't the only ones doing the stimulus thing. A lot of countries are.

That's a lot of debt looking for investors. I think future taxes will probably have to rise just to service that debt.

That would be my guess, anyway. The only question is 'who gets their taxes raised, and by how much?'......

watcher2005

04-23-2009, 02:26 PM

Doesn't matter. That's where I saw the signs at the "tea parties." I also saw them on what Ted Stevens calls "a series of tubes"-the internet.

I saw Forest Gump shake hands with Lyndon Johnson.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 02:41 PM

"Taxation Without Representation" simply means the decisions made by this administration, Congress, and some State governors, does not represent or meet the approval of the protesters, their children and their grandchildren. The protesters are astute and are aware that their taxes/living expenses will increase even though they make less than $250K. BO should have taken a cue from Abraham Lincoln and realized that: "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."

IMOJust because the person they didn't want to win won doesn't mean they don't have representation:

"No taxation without representation" began as a slogan in the period 1763–1776 that summarized a primary grievance of the British colonists in the Thirteen Colonies. In short, many in those colonies believed the lack of direct representation in the distant British Parliament was an illegal denial of their rights as Englishmen, and therefore laws taxing the colonists (the kind of law that affects the most individuals directly), and other laws applying only to the colonies, were unconstitutional. In recent times, it has been used by several other groups in several different countries over similar disputes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 02:47 PM

Intelligent Republicans are divorcing themselves from the party every day!!:thumbup:

I guess I'm one of them! :biggrin:

flareon

04-23-2009, 03:13 PM

I think BO is far more damaging to this Country than Carter was. BO's megalomania poses a far greater threat to our national and economic security.

IMO

I think you are right. Couple that with his inexperience and the inexperience or downright incompetence of the people he appoints, his term will probably end up as an apology per day.

flareon

04-23-2009, 03:17 PM

They're Tea Party protesters, not your offensive reference to them, which was disgracefully described and repeated by MSNBC and CNN, whose shameless agenda is crystal clear.

They're like children cursing to get attention. The best way to handle it is to ignore them.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 03:18 PM

I think you are right. Couple that with his inexperience and the inexperience or downright incompetence of the people he appoints, his term will probably end up as an apology per day.
This thread is about "Obama voters' Remorse." But I don't see any proof of it. You can't have remorse over voting for someone you didn't vote for in the first place. :shrug: The only remorse I've seen is from people like me who voted for McCain and wish we could've voted for Obama.

flareon

04-23-2009, 03:18 PM

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 03:20 PM

They're like children cursing to get attention. The best way to handle it is to ignore them.

It's the protestors themselves who used that term until they finally figured out what it meant. :shrug:

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 03:21 PM

You're speaking sense to nonsense. There are some things in life that are constant. One of them is that you can't argue with a parroted talking point.

You're calling MY post "nonsense" even though it's a definition of the phrase which does not back up what these protestors think it means? So "Taxation Without Representation" isn't a parroted talking point? :lol: :lol: :lol: They were saying it without even knowing what it means!

susanwesco

04-23-2009, 03:23 PM

I find it almost hilarious that people find obama worse than bush....pathetic.
Obama INHERITED the mess that bush left, but here's an idea///////////
In order to fix the economy why don't we just ask the ex vice president to donate...............he made BILLIONS off the war and peoples deaths...........and no one seems to care.
The problem that a lot of people have with republicans is that they want everything their way, they steal, lie, and cheat, and if you call them on it they flip out!!

Alliekat

04-23-2009, 03:28 PM

You're calling MY post "nonsense" even though it's a definition of the phrase which does not back up what these protestors think it means? So "Taxation Without Representation" isn't a parroted talking point? :lol: :lol: :lol: They were saying it without even knowing what it means!

"parroted talking point"...taxation without representation...lol.. and how about .."socialism'......words just bandied about without knowing the meaning and and its origins.

IndyRepub

04-23-2009, 03:31 PM

"parroted talking point"...taxation without representation...lol.. and how about .."socialism'......words just bandied about without knowing the meaning and and its origins.
Exactly, Alliekat! And now "fascist" too! :lol:

watcher2005

04-23-2009, 04:33 PM

Exactly, Alliekat! And now "fascist" too! :lol:

Maybe you can enlighten us.

invreporter1105

04-23-2009, 06:18 PM

Here's a few pics and slideshows and an article. Food for thought :wink: :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/16/10-most-offensive-tea-par_n_187554.html

http://washingtonindependent.com/38877/scenes-from-the-dc-tea-party-more-photos

http://www.infowars.com/racist-provocateur-exposed-at-san-antonio-tea-party/

Please allow me to echo your concerns with a previous post:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13018211&postcount=49

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 04:33 PM

:biggrin: Seems they have been studying Bybee. Elastic, anyone?
welcome new poster.. I see we have more new members with Voter Remorse.. please share your concerns :smile:

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 04:54 PM

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 05:13 PM

:blushing: I must admit to a little Obama remorse

That he wasn't elected 8 years earlier
welcome.. its nice to see soooooo many new posters lately.. feel free to tell us about your voter remorse.. this is a place where you can discuss it. Admitting remorse is the first step to acceptence. img

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 05:34 PM

Didn't that poster just TELL you about his voter remorse? :confused:
this is about obama voter remorse..thus the thread title.. I know there is alot of frustration in our country and many people cant talk about their remorse in fear of someone getting in their face.. this is a safe place for people to come and vent about obama remorse. IMO

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 05:36 PM

Are you judging an entire movement by a few signs you saw? Hundreds of thousands of protesters took part nationwide. For all we know, the signs you saw might have even been carried by opponents of the movement.
Good point. there will always be those disgruntled people who don't like protesters who are protesting against big government, egregious spending and higher taxation.. they could try and sabotage the peaceful protests.. imo

watcher2005

04-24-2009, 05:37 PM

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 05:45 PM

this is about obama voter remorse..thus the thread title.. I know there is alot of frustration in our country and many people cant talk about their remorse in fear of someone getting in their face.. this is a safe place for people to come and vent about obama remorse. IMO
"A lot of frustration"? Do you have any polls to back that opinion up? Because all the polls show otherwise. This is a message board. And since you're newer than me, maybe you don't know that we're allowed to post things that are within the rules even if you don't like them if they're related to the topic. Thanks.

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 05:46 PM

That is supposed to be what the whole country was for... I think that is why there is so much voter remorse.. people aren't happy with egregious spending, lack of fixing the economic crisis and rise in unemployment this year. imo

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 05:53 PM

I think that is why there is so much voter remorse.. people aren't happy with egregious spending, lack of fixing the economic crisis and rise in unemployment this year. imo

I'm glad you keep saying "imo" because that's all it is. Until you can show us a poll where there is "so much voter remorse" it's just your opinion. Here are a bunch of polls showing there is NOT much voter remorse: http://people-press.org/report/509/obama-at-100-days :smile:

vonna

04-24-2009, 06:15 PM

"A lot of frustration"? Do you have any polls to back that opinion up? Because all the polls show otherwise. This is a message board. And since you're newer than me, maybe you don't know that we're allowed to post things that are within the rules even if you don't like them if they're related to the topic. Thanks.

You are so right! All the polls show voter approval not remorse. Remorse what I felt about the last administration.

joolz

04-24-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm glad you keep saying "imo" because that's all it is. Until you can show us a poll where there is "so much voter remorse" it's just your opinion. Here are a bunch of polls showing there is NOT much voter remorse: http://people-press.org/report/509/obama-at-100-days :smile:

The following post is from a few days back when the OP you are questioning did address that very subject of where they were getting their statistics. OP wrote:

"I agree.. I'm not a "poll" person but rather a "what people are saying and feeling on the streets".. those who aren't polled...I'm seeing alot of "voters remorse" and I think the poll watchers will be seeing more of this decline in the polls and more and more people will become remorseful as the Economy and Job market does not change.. IMO"

So there you have it Indy, the poster's opinion is based on what he/she thinks that people who aren't polled are "saying and feeling in the streets."

That makes it clear, right? No? :sneaky:

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 06:27 PM

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 06:33 PM

Your way is the best way to get a snapshot of what people are thinking in your area. These polls are somewhat interesting, but they are hardly an accurate picture of how the majority of people feel about the direction of the country.
That's true, and I think some people are afraid to speak out but I've seen die hard democrats complaining about the economy and nothing being done.. their smiles are gone and smiles are replaced with a frown of uncertainty and remorse... IMO it's getting very scary in this country... :sad: spirally out of control.. imo

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 07:20 PM

voter remorse can be seen in public and talking with different people, the ones that don't get polled.. remember polls are not scientific and polls are never if ever done of people standing in the long Unemployment lines. :wink:

Polls ARE scientific unless they are online polls where anyone can vote over and over. "Talking with different people" that you know is NOT scientific. Sorry to burst your bubble but maybe you learned something just now. :smile:

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 07:22 PM

The following post is from a few days back when the OP you are questioning did address that very subject of where they were getting their statistics. OP wrote:

"I agree.. I'm not a "poll" person but rather a "what people are saying and feeling on the streets".. those who aren't polled...I'm seeing alot of "voters remorse" and I think the poll watchers will be seeing more of this decline in the polls and more and more people will become remorseful as the Economy and Job market does not change.. IMO"

So there you have it Indy, the poster's opinion is based on what he/she thinks that people who aren't polled are "saying and feeling in the streets."

That makes it clear, right? No? :sneaky:

Yes, it's all VERY clear. Thanks for letting us know. :thumbup:

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 07:24 PM

You are so right! All the polls show voter approval not remorse. Remorse what I felt about the last administration.

Thank you, vonna. All of the scientific polls tell the same story-people are pleased with the job President Obama is doing, including people who didn't vote for him-like me (I'm ashamed to say). :blushing:

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 07:58 PM

Polls ARE scientific unless they are online polls where anyone can vote over and over. "Talking with different people" that you know is NOT scientific. Sorry to burst your bubble but maybe you learned something just now. :smile:

In this day and age, I don't know how you can declare that a poll is scientific. How do they ensure that the sampling is representative of the population? It's not much different than statistics and a knowledgeable person can make statistics represent the point that the individual wants to make. IMO

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:02 PM

In this day and age, I don't know how you can declare that a poll is scientific. How do they ensure that the sampling is representative of the population? It's not much different than statistics and a knowledgeable person can make statistics represent the point that the individual wants to make. IMO
"In this day and age" polls are more scientific than ever since they call cell phones as well as land lines. The better pollsters have scientific methods of getting a representative cross-section/sample of our population. You can google it. It's head and shoulders above "talking with people you know." :lol:

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:05 PM

"In this day and age" polls are more scientific than ever since they call cell phones as well as land lines. The better pollsters have scientific methods of getting a representative cross-section/sample of our population. You can google it. It's head and shoulders above "talking with people you know." :lol:

So everyone that is called answers the call and the questions???? :confused: I have caller ID. I don't answer marketing calls of any kind or "unknown caller". JMO

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:11 PM

So everyone that is called answers the call and the questions???? :confused: I have caller ID. I don't answer marketing calls of any kind or "unknown caller". JMO

Um, no. And for every Repub. that doesn't answer the phone, there's a Dem. that doesn't answer the phone. I can't believe you don't understand the concept of scientific polls. :confused:

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:14 PM

Um, no. And for every Repub. that doesn't answer the phone, there's a Dem. that doesn't answer the phone. I can't believe you don't understand the concept of scientific polls. :confused:

How do you know that everyone called claims a party affiliation and that an equal number of those who claim a party affiliation will answer or not answer the call? What time are the calls being made? Is it during working hours? Dinner hours? How can you scientifically assure that you are sampling the population in a way that is objective?

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:16 PM

How do you know that everyone called claims a party affiliation and that an equal number of those who claim a party affiliation will answer or not answer the call? What time are the calls being made? Is it during working hours? Dinner hours? How can you scientifically assure that you are sampling the population in a way that is objective?

http://www.wegovern.ca/polling_tutorial.htm :read: You must be perplexed at how every poll had Obama winning the GE and then he DID. :lol:

watcher2005

04-24-2009, 08:17 PM

"In this day and age" polls are more scientific than ever since they call cell phones as well as land lines. The better pollsters have scientific methods of getting a representative cross-section/sample of our population. You can google it. It's head and shoulders above "talking with people you know." :lol:

Did you say that in the thread about the Rasmussen tea party thread?

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:22 PM

Did you say that in the thread about the Rasmussen tea party thread?
Rasmussen is a Republican pollster and is reliably 5-10 points worse for Dems. than most other polls. Rasmussen was almost always an outlier. Who did you vote for anyway? Just curious.

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:23 PM

http://www.wegovern.ca/polling_tutorial.htm :read: You must be perplexed at how every poll had Obama winning the GE and then he DID. :lol:

I'm not perplexed about anything. I know how statistics work. I know what happens when I see one of those polling organizations show up on my caller ID. I don't answer. My opinion might make someone feel better or worse but it doesn't change reality. I don't give out any information over the phone.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:26 PM

I'm not perplexed about anything. I know how statistics work. I know what happens when I see one of those polling organizations show up on my caller ID. I don't answer. My opinion might make someone feel better or worse but it doesn't change reality. I don't give out any information over the phone.
If you know how statistics work then you'd know the fact that you don't answer the pollster's call doesn't make the poll any less reliable. Sorry, but you're just not that important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to reliability of polls.

LauraRose

04-24-2009, 08:27 PM

Rasmussen is a Republican pollster and is reliably 5-10 points worse for Dems. than most other polls. Rasmussen was almost always an outlier. Who did you vote for anyway? Just curious.

That is incorrect. Rasmussen has been on the spot and fair and balanced, and I disagree with you because you say so.

LauraR

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:29 PM

If you know how statistics work then you'd know the fact that you don't answer the pollster's call doesn't make the poll any less reliable. Sorry, but you're just not that important in the grand scheme of things when it comes to reliability of polls.

No. I'm not. Neither is any other individual. Right here on this thread did you not claim that another poll is not reliable? Is it because it's not reliable or because it doesn't agree with your intended outcome? Which one is right? I would say probably neither, but that's just me.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:30 PM

That is incorrect. Rasmussen has been on the spot and fair and balanced, and I disagree with you because you say so.

LauraR

Really? What do most polls say about Obama's approval right now? I bet Rasmussen is the only one that doesn't have him in the 60s.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:32 PM

No. I'm not. Neither is any other individual. Right here on this thread did you not claim that another poll is not reliable? Is it because it's not reliable or because it doesn't agree with your intended outcome? Which one is right? I would say probably neither, but that's just me.
You obviously didn't read the link I gave you which tells how to tell reliable from less reliable polls. :shrug:

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:37 PM

iirc IndyRepub, that is all factored into probability of statistics, even telephone polls. A certain # are expected not to answer, do a slam dunk, etc.

However, you are correct, it is still distract, detract and otherwise pull the thread away from the FACT, the american voters seem to be VERY happy with Pres Obama.

:thumbsup: We seem to like Pres BO, almost as much as we like BO. (joke folks - but it is natural puppies receive more love than presidents)

Thank you, garfiled. You're right. And what I find amusing is that the same people claiming polls aren't reliable at all think that talking by some people in their neighborhoods is more reliable. :lol:

And I'm one of those Repubs. who supports both Pres. BO and the First Dog BO. That's why his approval number is so much higher than the percentage he won by (which in itself was big).

watcher2005

04-24-2009, 08:41 PM

... Who did you vote for anyway? Just curious.

I am well known as a Ron Paul supporter, technically, I was indeed a Republican for a short while in furtherance of that candidate.

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:42 PM

You obviously didn't read the link I gave you which tells how to tell reliable from less reliable polls. :shrug:

I did read the link. They have no way of knowing that they are sampling a representation of the population unless they have all the data about all the houses they are calling. It is not possible. No way, no how. Unless of course they are using spy tactics against all citizens and then they STILL wouldn't know. You're assuming that I am a republican because I have disagreed with a point regarding polls but you have no idea what my political affiliation may be, if I have one.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:43 PM

I am well known as a Ron Paul supporter, technically, I was indeed a Republican for a short while in furtherance of that candidate.

Thanks for letting me know. That explains a lot about your posts to me.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:45 PM

I did read the link. They have no way of knowing that they are sampling a representation of the population unless they have all the data about all the houses they are calling. It is not possible. No way, no how. Unless of course they are using spy tactics against all citizens and then they STILL wouldn't know. You're assuming that I am a republican because I have disagreed with a point regarding polls but you have no idea what my political affiliation may be, if I have one.

Whatever. Then I guess you'll just keep believing the people you talk to to get the pulse of the nation. :rolleyes:

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:52 PM

Whatever. Then I guess you'll just keep believing the people you talk to to get the pulse of the nation. :rolleyes:

I said absolutely nothing about believing people that I talk to and getting a pulse of the nation. I didn't offer an opinion one way or another on the pulse of the nation. You are lumping me into a group that you yourself have defined because I disagreed with one point that you made.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:56 PM

I said absolutely nothing about believing people that I talk to and getting a pulse of the nation. I didn't offer an opinion one way or another on the pulse of the nation. You are lumping me into a group that you yourself have defined because I disagreed with one point that you made.
Then I confused you with the poster who DID say that. Still-if you don't believe in polls, I can't help you. Enjoy.

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 08:57 PM

Then I confused you with the other poster who DID say that. Still-if you don't believe in polls, I can't help you. Enjoy.

I don't. That was my one and only point. See how easy that is to have an intelligent discussion without jumping to conclusions and labeling people?

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 08:59 PM

I don't. That was my one and only point. See how easy that is to have an intelligent discussion without jumping to conclusions and labeling people?

I confused you with another poster. That's all. Enjoy.

libbelle

04-24-2009, 09:02 PM

After reading this thread it's apparent to me that most of the people here that actually voted for the president aren't a bit remorseful, and agree with the polls that put his approval ratings at over 60%.

You can put me in that group too. I'm also in the group that thinks that the country is going in the right direction for the first time in years and years.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 09:25 PM

Politics Article- food for thought and discussion.. Current 2/09 anyone else feeling "voter's remorse" ?

http://townhall.com/columnists/LorieByrd/2009/02/10/obama_voters_remorse

this is what I've been seeing so I decided to do a google search of remorse and low and behold I found an article of interest. The article is from Feb 2009 so it doesn't address the overwelming unemployment and spending issues that we've seen these past few months.

I was hoping for change and hope but voters have let me down.. IMO

Anyone else feeling voter's remorse?
Strange. I just googled "remorse" like you said YOU did, and I did not find that article. Here's the link to the google search of "remorse":
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=remorse&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=remor&fp=Q9hKAq0-8-0

Can you show me where that article is? Thanks. :smile:

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 10:42 PM

Strange. I just googled "remorse" like you said YOU did, and I did not find that article. Here's the link to the google search of "remorse":
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=remorse&btnG=Google+Search&aq=0&oq=remor&fp=Q9hKAq0-8-0

Can you show me where that article is? Thanks. :smile: I think you need to google "obama voter remorse" .. try that.. :wink:

bagerroness

04-24-2009, 10:52 PM

No. I'm not. Neither is any other individual. Right here on this thread did you not claim that another poll is not reliable? Is it because it's not reliable or because it doesn't agree with your intended outcome? Which one is right? I would say probably neither, but that's just me.
True, I think polls can be biased as well as we really don't know what areas these polls are taking place.. anyone could do a poll in a liberal area and call it random and vice versa. If Leaders did their jobs correctly and as promised they wouldnt' have to worry about polls.. IMO

flareon

04-24-2009, 10:56 PM

True, I think polls can be biased as well as we really don't know what areas these polls are taking place.. anyone could do a poll in a liberal area and call it random and vice versa. If Leaders did their jobs correctly and as promised they wouldnt' have to worry about polls.. IMO

Of course they. It is all in how they phrase the question and doesn't allow for any nuance. Well, some so called leaders haven't the ability to make concrete decisions and they use polls for every choice they have to make. They would be better off using a magic eight ball.

Barbara2

04-24-2009, 10:57 PM

True, I think polls can be biased as well as we really don't know what areas these polls are taking place.. anyone could do a poll in a liberal area and call it random and vice versa. If Leaders did their jobs correctly and as promised they wouldnt' have to worry about polls.. IMO

I don't pay attention to them. What someone thinks is insignificant. That's evident here everyday. There are a lot of opinions but they don't mean anything in terms of reality. It's what's happening that counts. So far, I'm still waiting. It's early yet.

IndyRepub

04-24-2009, 11:51 PM

I think you need to google "obama voter remorse" .. try that.. :wink:
You said you googled "remorse." So now you're saying you googled what just HAPPENED to be the exact name of an article? :confused:

Baroness

04-25-2009, 12:10 AM

I have a great idea----how about only those voters who actually voted for Obama and have come to regret it post on this thread.

Since it seems there's not anyone who voted for him who seems to be experiencing remorse, this thread should sink quickly into the sunset.

(that or there will be inane roboposting which would be funny unto itself.)

I officially declare that the evidence shows there is no Obama Remorse on this board.

My part of this conversation is over. Anyone else ready to abandon thread?

Kate

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 09:24 AM

Hmmm, I've done what was asked on this thread, ignored scientific data and polls, asked around in the community, looked at my State info, and I believe I have a consensus! THERE is voter remorse, a lot of folks are sorry they wasted a vote on McCain/Palin......:wink:

bagerroness

04-25-2009, 02:45 PM

You said you googled "remorse." So now you're saying you googled what just HAPPENED to be the exact name of an article? :confused:
you are diverting the main issue and topic. obama voter remorse alive and growing ...let's pray that the Economic Crisis is resolved and Unemployment goes down maybe things will change then ya never know.. :confused: imo

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 02:53 PM

you are diverting the main issue and topic. obama voter remorse alive and growing ...let's pray that the Economic Crisis is resolved and Unemployment goes down maybe things will change then ya never know.. :confused: imo

No. It's not.:wink: I went out and asked folks, just like you stated. It's dead, and if anything, more support is showing up from the voters who cast their ballot for JM....

bagerroness

04-25-2009, 03:01 PM

I'm not having any trouble finding voter remorse on a daily basis with different people... perhaps I'm in a very hard hit area that is suffering and struggling with the egregious economy and unemployment so I'm hearing alot of remorse in my tri-state area... many states are suffering perhaps yours isn't...mine is suffering for both of us.. imo :thumbdown:

flareon

04-25-2009, 03:06 PM

you are diverting the main issue and topic. obama voter remorse alive and growing ...let's pray that the Economic Crisis is resolved and Unemployment goes down maybe things will change then ya never know.. :confused: imo

You're right. Much is going to depend on whether the economy can get back on track in spite of some of these less than stimulating bills. The worry is that their "sky is the limit" spending habits threaten to pull down any gain that comes.

flareon

04-25-2009, 03:08 PM

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:14 PM

you are diverting the main issue and topic. obama voter remorse alive and growing ...let's pray that the Economic Crisis is resolved and Unemployment goes down maybe things will change then ya never know.. :confused: imo

No I'm not. You claimed you said in your OP you googled "Obama voter remorse" and that I should check again. I did, and I was right. You said you googled REMORSE and found the article.

And AGAIN-there IS NO Obama voters' remorse as demonstrated on both this thread and in every poll. But you keep making the false claim that it's "alive and growing." Sorry-but that's a lie.

vonna

04-25-2009, 03:15 PM

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:15 PM

Lots of people with voter remorse from my end. I wore my T-shirt that says "Don't tread on me" today and received many smiles. :thumbsup:

Do you think the people who smiled at your shirt voted for Obama? :confused:

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:19 PM

That's because you are talking to a cross section of people instead of sticking to people who think just like you.

Really? You think pollsters "stick to people who think just like" them? There IS NO VOTER REMORSE! I challenge you to find even ONE poll that shows otherewise. You really think that poster is talking to people who voted for Obama and now regret it? :lol:

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:21 PM

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

I'm one of those who has voter remorse that I voted for McCain.

Carol25

04-25-2009, 03:27 PM

No I'm not. You claimed you said in your OP you googled "Obama voter remorse" and that I should check again. I did, and I was right. You said you googled REMORSE and found the article.

And AGAIN-there IS NO Obama voters' remorse as demonstrated on both this thread and in every poll. But you keep making the false claim that it's "alive and growing." Sorry-but that's a lie.
Indy, to say there is NO voters remorse is quite challenging of a statement. I could ask you for a link for that, you know. Just where would you find a link that says 100% of the people who voted for Obama have no remorse of their vote? Then calling the OP out on a lie?.....

vonna

04-25-2009, 03:28 PM

I'm one of those who has voter remorse that I voted for McCain.

I commend you for recognizing your mistake. That takes guts.

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:32 PM

Indy, to say there is NO voters remorse is quite challenging of a statement. I could ask you for a link for that, you know. Just where would you find a link that says 100% of the people who voted for Obama have no remorse of their vote? Then calling the OP out on a lie?.....

There's none on this board and I've posted a link or two already showing how HAPPY people are with Obama and the job he's doing. 53% of people voted for him yet now 66% of people approve of him (in today's Gallup poll): http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

Yes, the OP lied so I called her out on it. When I did, she just changed the subject. :shrug:

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:34 PM

I commend you for recognizing your mistake. That takes guts.

Thanks, vonna. Like I said before, old habits die hard. Now I recognize how good President Obama IS at his job.

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 03:49 PM

Even though math might be considered by some to be a false science, it's a great tool when talking about numbers, so please bear with me conservatives.

In the November election, Obama won 53% to McCain's 46%.

According to the LA Times this week, Obama's approval rating is 63%.

What this means is that all of the people who voted for Obama think he's doing a good job, and 7% of McCain voters agree.

Where is the remorse?I just said nearly the same thing a couple posts above. If there was the "voter remorse" the OP claimed, his approval would be below 53%. Just facts. :shrug:

Carol25

04-25-2009, 03:56 PM

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 04:05 PM

RCP has listed the different poll takers that have taken the polls on how voters feel about the direction the country is taking. Here are the results.

Poll Taker date % Right dir. % Wrong dir.
RCP up to 4/23 38% 54%
Daily Kos up to 4/23 43% 53%
AP up to 4/20 48% 44%
Rasmussen up to 4/19 37% 57%

Somewhere along the line someone may be regretting their vote.

More people feel the country is headed in the right direction now than anytime in the past 5 years (just for context).

And here's more results of how voters feel about Obama in his first 100 days: http://www.gallup.com/poll/117853/First-100-Days-Obama-Meets-Exceeds-Expectations.aspx

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 04:11 PM

RCP has listed the different poll takers that have taken the polls on how voters feel about the direction the country is taking. Here are the results.

Poll Taker date % Right dir. % Wrong dir.
RCP up to 4/23 38% 54%
Daily Kos up to 4/23 43% 53%
AP up to 4/20 48% 44%
Rasmussen up to 4/19 37% 57%

Somewhere along the line someone may be regretting their vote.

Don't let the facts get in the way:

"AP Poll: People for first time in years believe US on right track, give credit to Obama"

http://www.startribune.com/politics/43520607.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7Pa P3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiacyKUUr

Carol25

04-25-2009, 04:18 PM

Don't let the facts get in the way:

"AP Poll: People for first time in years believe US on right track, give credit to Obama"

http://www.startribune.com/politics/43520607.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUec7Pa P3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiacyKUUr
Don't let the facts get in your way?

38% and 37% think we are on the the right direction and 54% and 57% think we are on the wrong direction?
:confused:

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 04:23 PM

Don't let the facts get in your way?

38% and 37% think we are on the the right direction and 54% and 57% think we are on the wrong direction?
:confused:

Did you read the article? I put the title in bold print for you: "AP Poll: People for first time in years believe US on right track, give credit to Obama" 48% now feel the country is headed in the right direction and 40% feel it's not.

Barbara2

04-25-2009, 04:35 PM

I know that my skepticism about polls is unpopular here but they do serve a valuable purpose. Sometimes it doesn't matter what is real, it only matters what people think. When Obama first took over the White House, he was putting out a message of doom and gloom. He was letting the American people know just how bad it really is. The stock market went down. Those who still have jobs and money stopped spending because they were afraid. That message has changed lately to be much more upbeat and positive. The stock market has started climbing back up. Some of those who lost jobs have found others and there is a renewed optimism.

I have my own very unscientific poll. We eat out a lot. Actually every night Monday through Friday. We usually go at 5 o'clock because we're hungry plus we know there will be no waiting. For about a year, it didn't matter what time we went. When leaving the restaurant at 6 it was still empty. No wait. Many, many people had stopped going out to eat. Last week we went to Olive Garden at 5 o'clock on a Tuesday and we had to wait!! It was less than 5 minutes but still, it was a sign that the economy is looking up at least as far as people's attitudes about it. We are noticing that restaurants are starting to fill up again. So I think that more people are feeling confident that the economy anyway is going in the right direction. (Sorry, I don't have any percentages.)

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 04:43 PM

Check out this video of some Obama youth: Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY)

Not sure what they are saying other than Obama something but the fatigues and the hand signs remind me of another your group but they only used one hand for their salute.

They were "stepping" and they were saying that because of Obama they're inspired to do better in their lives. They then went on to describe Obama's healthcare plan. It was very positive. I'm surprised you couldn't understand what they were saying. :shrug:

And what are you implying about their "fatigues and hand signs"? FYI, they're doing what kids in fraternities do. At least Black fraternities. They were doing the signs and calls of the Omega Phi Psi fraternity.

vonna

04-25-2009, 05:17 PM

Carol25

04-25-2009, 05:28 PM

Did you read the article? I put the title in bold print for you: "AP Poll: People for first time in years believe US on right track, give credit to Obama" 48% now feel the country is headed in the right direction and 40% feel it's not.
Did you read the polls I gave you? I'll put them in bold for you.

Don't let the facts get in your way?

38% and 37% think we are on the the right direction and 54% and 57% think we are on the wrong direction?
:confused:

2 against 1 :biggrin: (actually, it was 3 against 1, but who's counting?)

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 05:31 PM

Did you read the polls I gave you? I'll put them in bold for you.

Don't let the facts get in your way?

38% and 37% think we are on the the right direction and 54% and 57% think we are on the wrong direction?
:confused:

2 against 1 :biggrin: (actually, it was 3 against 1, but who's counting?)

Did you see their earlier numbers? 38% is a GREAT number if it's up from 28%. :shrug: You didn't provide a link.

By the way-your site, RealClearPolitics is a conservative site according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 05:45 PM

I find it hard to believe people are even talking about Obama's approval rating of any kind at this point in time. He's only been in office for 5 months pity sakes. No one said a word about Bush until he'd been in office the 'second' time around for at least 2, 3 years after the facts were in everyones face to see IMO. :rolleyes:I find it even harder to believe that someone would start a thread about "Obama Voters' Remorse" with NO evidence to back it up-as a matter of fact, many of us proved Obama has GAINED support.

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 06:05 PM

Did you read the polls I gave you? I'll put them in bold for you.

Don't let the facts get in your way?

38% and 37% think we are on the the right direction and 54% and 57% think we are on the wrong direction?
:confused:

2 against 1 :biggrin: (actually, it was 3 against 1, but who's counting?)

Carol, we've discussed this, the poll you are referencing doesn't talk about voter remorse, etc. You can still think Obama is doing a great job, and vote that we're heading in the wrong direction, from the last 8 yrs. Apples, oranges.:confused:

Carol25

04-25-2009, 06:05 PM

Did you see their earlier numbers? 38% is a GREAT number if it's up from 28%. :shrug: You didn't provide a link.

By the way-your site, RealClearPolitics is a conservative site according to Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
You are a silly now. Regardless of who published it, it is giving you the results of 4 different polls, including the one you are citing just to validate the acccuracy of their claims! I did provide a link, you just said so, "your site, RealClearPolitics..."

You doing okay today? :confused:

libbelle

04-25-2009, 06:08 PM

Check out this video of some Obama youth: Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY)

Not sure what they are saying other than Obama something but the fatigues and the hand signs remind me of another your group but they only used one hand for their salute.

Thank you so much for posting this link.

What wonderful young men. So someone is worried about young men that are inspired by Obama to be architects and chemical engineers and to be responsible for their own lives? Personally I think that it's flat out wonderful!

God bless anyone that can inspire our teenagers to do the best they can!

Carol25

04-25-2009, 06:09 PM

Carol, we've discussed this, the poll you are referencing doesn't talk about voter remorse, etc. You can still think Obama is doing a great job, and vote that we're heading in the wrong direction, from the last 8 yrs. Apples, oranges.:confused:
Do you see a possible connection there? I think many would. Nothing happens without his signature. Matter of fact some would say the bills are originating from the Whitehouse instead of the lawmakers these days.

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 06:11 PM

Do you see a possible connection there? I think many would. Nothing happens without his signature. Matter of fact some would say the bills are originating from the Whitehouse instead of the lawmakers these days.

Afetr 8 yrs, and only three months, I see a bigger connection!:wink:

libbelle

04-25-2009, 06:13 PM

I find it hard to believe people are even talking about Obama's approval rating of any kind at this point in time. He's only been in office for 5 months pity sakes. No one said a word about Bush until he'd been in office the 'second' time around for at least 2, 3 years after the facts were in everyones face to see IMO. :rolleyes:

I really don't mean to nitpick but Obama has only been in office 3 months. LOL

Although somedays it does seems longer. :biggrin:

Carol25

04-25-2009, 06:16 PM

I really don't mean to nitpick but Obama has only been in office 3 months. LOL

Although somedays it does seems longer. :biggrin:
We need that. Humor is good for the soul! :biggrin:

libbelle

04-25-2009, 06:17 PM

They were "stepping" and they were saying that because of Obama they're inspired to do better in their lives. They then went on to describe Obama's healthcare plan. It was very positive. I'm surprised you couldn't understand what they were saying. :shrug:

And what are you implying about their "fatigues and hand signs"? FYI, they're doing what kids in fraternities do. At least Black fraternities. They were doing the signs and calls of the Omega Phi Psi fraternity.

One day last Nov. something happened that gave each of these young men hope that they too could become president, probably for the first time in their young lives. It's no wonder he's inspiring him.

I wasn't aware that these were fraternity calls and signs, but that makes sense since they each brought up their future occupation. I thought they were younger then that. Nice to see that inspiration rather then a kegger isn't it?

Brentwood

04-25-2009, 06:21 PM

vonna

04-25-2009, 06:21 PM

One day last Nov. something happened that gave each of these young men hope that they too could become president, probably for the first time in their young lives. It's no wonder he's inspiring him.

I wasn't aware that these were fraternity calls and signs, but that makes sense since they each brought up their future occupation. I thought they were younger then that. Nice to see that inspiration rather then a kegger isn't it?

Our president is an inspiration to all people.

bagerroness

04-25-2009, 06:27 PM

I find it even harder to believe that someone would start a thread about "Obama Voters' Remorse" with NO evidence to back it up-as a matter of fact, many of us proved Obama has GAINED support. I dont think either of us would find an exact poll worded in such a way that we could disprove one another. Your perception is that obama is "doing better", better than what or who? better than Bush is not a great accomplishment.. obama has not done anything thus far that proves that our economy is being fixed or that jobs are created or saved.. signing a bill does not equal mission accomplished.. we all know how the child left behind bill turned out.. so the non-stimulus bill could very well be a blunder and non-functioning package for the american people.. we just dont know at this point. What we do know is that the Banks and Wall street were bailed out a heck of a lot quicker than the american taxpayers, as we have seen no Bail Out and it's almost May 2009 we all had to be sure to send our taxes in by April 15th though so the government could get our money. imo

Carol25

04-25-2009, 06:29 PM

libbelle

04-25-2009, 06:29 PM

How wonderful! These kids are inspired to make something out of their lives, inspired by Obama. Just wonderful to see their hope and determination! Excellent!!!

Sorry for your bigotry.

I hope you don't mind if I add something to your post here.

I was just delighted by that video and I think that anyone that wants to see a great bunch of young men should watch that video. It really made me smile. :biggrin:

libbelle

04-25-2009, 06:32 PM

Our president is an inspiration to all people.

I don't disagree with you at all, but I have a feeling that most of us probably wouldn't understand what this has done for young minority kids. And probably their parents too.

bagerroness

04-25-2009, 06:35 PM

Check out this video of some Obama youth: Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY)

Not sure what they are saying other than Obama something but the fatigues and the hand signs remind me of another your group but they only used one hand for their salute. It appears to me that it's an indoctrination of youth to the military which surprises me because I've never had the impression that obama was pro-military, in fact I've always felt he had disdain for the military when he was a senator based on how he voted against our troops. Now he is starting his own civil army so he has the power now to do that and whatever he wants.. I can't imagine the outcry and outrage IF Pres. Bush had done this.. my oh my there would have been such a huge uproar in this country by the media and anti-Bush groups.. lol.. imo :wink:

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 06:56 PM

It appears to me that it's an indoctrination of youth to the military which surprises me because I've never had the impression that obama was pro-military, in fact I've always felt he had disdain for the military when he was a senator based on how he voted against our troops. Now he is starting his own civil army so he has the power now to do that and whatever he wants.. I can't imagine the outcry and outrage IF Pres. Bush had done this.. my oh my there would have been such a huge uproar in this country by the media and anti-Bush groups.. lol.. imo :wink:

Oh my goodness! That video has nothing to do with our Dear President! Some will fall for ANYTHING!!!!:tonguewag:

bagerroness

04-25-2009, 07:05 PM

I don't disagree with you at all, but I have a feeling that most of us probably wouldn't understand what this has done for young minority kids. And probably their parents too.

I don't think it's a governments responsibility to create programs such as these for young men..but when parents are absent or don't have resources then it's a perfect time for the government to step in and create socialist programs for youth. imo

Barbara2

04-25-2009, 07:11 PM

I don't think it's a governments responsibility to create programs such as these for young men..but when parents are absent or don't have resources then it's a perfect time for the government to step in and create socialist programs for youth. imo

I am very familiar with a similar program that helps boys from low income families in my district. It is a volunteer run program and not supported financially by the government. I didn't watch the video so I don't know if this is something different but the one I know of is great for the kids, instills discipline while giving them an opportunity to establish goals and a direction for their lives and it saves the taxpayers money because it steers these young men away from the path that would lead to jail. IMO

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 07:11 PM

I don't think it's a governments responsibility to create programs such as these for young men..but when parents are absent or don't have resources then it's a perfect time for the government to step in and create socialist programs for youth. imo

LOL, these 'programs' have been around for yrs! I am often dismayed at how little some know about their own country......:confused:

Carol25

04-25-2009, 07:35 PM

LOL, these 'programs' have been around for yrs! I am often dismayed at how little some know about their own country......:confused:
I don't believe that is the program she is talking about, firsttoserve.

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 07:39 PM

You are a silly now. Regardless of who published it, it is giving you the results of 4 different polls, including the one you are citing just to validate the acccuracy of their claims! I did provide a link, you just said so, "your site, RealClearPolitics..."

You doing okay today? :confused:

Are YOU doing ok today? :confused: Like I said, the numbers you provided were NOT put in context, meaning the 38% who now think the country is going in the right direction could be up from 28%-you didn't provide a link to the numbers. Saying it's from RealClearPolitics is NOT providing a LINK to the site. I'd like to be able to click on each of those poll numbers to see what the PREVIOUS numbers were. Get it?

firsttoserve

04-25-2009, 07:41 PM

I don't believe that is the program she is talking about, firsttoserve.

Please, then do tell, what 'program'.....Certainly anyone who references that silly video has lost my attention, but you have it, Carol!

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 07:47 PM

I dont think either of us would find an exact poll worded in such a way that we could disprove one another. Your perception is that obama is "doing better", better than what or who? better than Bush is not a great accomplishment.. obama has not done anything thus far that proves that our economy is being fixed or that jobs are created or saved.. signing a bill does not equal mission accomplished.. we all know how the child left behind bill turned out.. so the non-stimulus bill could very well be a blunder and non-functioning package for the american people.. we just dont know at this point. What we do know is that the Banks and Wall street were bailed out a heck of a lot quicker than the american taxpayers, as we have seen no Bail Out and it's almost May 2009 we all had to be sure to send our taxes in by April 15th though so the government could get our money. imo

:confused: Huh? YOU can't find a poll to disprove MY claim, backed up by polls, that Obama is doing better than when he was elected, hence no "voters' remorse." It's a fact that 53% of people voted for Obama and now 66% of people approve of the job he's doing according to TODAY'S Gallup poll. Every other poll also has his approval in the 60s except for ONE poll that has him in the 50s which means it's an outlier. If there WAS "Obama voters' remorse," his approval would be less than 53%. Do you understand? :confused:

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 07:51 PM

I don't think it's a governments responsibility to create programs such as these for young men..but when parents are absent or don't have resources then it's a perfect time for the government to step in and create socialist programs for youth. imo

The government has nothing to do with these young men who were inspired by Obama enough to do a step routine common in Black fraternities, talking about how they've been inspired by him to want to excel in their lives. Sorry you don't know anything about that.

Carol25

04-25-2009, 07:55 PM

Please, then do tell, what 'program'.....Certainly anyone who references that silly video has lost my attention, but you have it, Carol!
I don't know what video you are talking about, but the program I think she is alluding to is the Give Act. The New $6 billion plan of volunteerism. It refers to "The Corporation."

IndyRepub

04-25-2009, 07:58 PM

I don't know what video you are talking about, but the program I think she is alluding to is the Give Act. The New $6 billion plan of volunteerism. It refers to "The Corporation."

She's talking about this video that someone posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY that shows young Black kids stepping, fraternity style, and telling how Obama inspired them. Then they each took turns talking about how Obama's healthcare plan would help them. The person who posted the video obviously didn't know what it was as they titled it, "Militant BLACK Obama Youth Group: Let's SCARE the S*** out of WHITE Grandma?" The truth is they were doing the calls and moves of the Omega Phi Psi fraternity-NOT a "Militant BLACK Obama Youth Group."

libbelle

04-25-2009, 07:58 PM

I don't think it's a governments responsibility to create programs such as these for young men..but when parents are absent or don't have resources then it's a perfect time for the government to step in and create socialist programs for youth. imo

I would like to see a link to the government creating this program. I am more inclined to think they belong to a fraternity.