April 20th discussion

[dinojen]

Well Van Oss is off vacation now... wonder if Behar is going to continue with his request today or wait till Friday. Sure did read alot about Testa and Van Oss this weekend...:confused:

[dinojen]

Going to put this link up in the Links Thread also... all the info from the beginning.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


Gotta get ready for work, will check in later...

[MoonFlwr]

:rose: R.I.P. Little Sandra :rose:

[AmndaRcknwth]

By the time tests come back, we won't be getting any more info with the gag orders pending, will we?

Before the Friday hearing, there will likely be a ruling on whether they can disenter Sandra to cut her up to please the defense.

[MoonFlwr]

thanks, Moon, are the results of any psychological tests supposed to be back by her court date on Friday? And how much longer before the results of the tox tests, etc on Sandra? Do we know? Couple more weeks, maybe?

I am ASSUMING that her lawyer didn't enter a plea , giving her more time to investigate Melissa's psychological state, etc as well as, giving her more time to talk to Melissa. ( and now, of course, the request for the 2nd autopsy).

As for the tox tests, I have heard no news.

[AmndaRcknwth]

I am ASSUMING that her lawyer didn't enter a plea so that findings such as Melissa's psychological state, etc could be investigated, as well as, giving her more time to talk to Melissa.

As for the tox tests, I have heard no news.

Is the first PD still on the case? Ellen Schwar...forgot the rest.
The attorneys listed now are Samuel R Behar and Nelson C Lu.

[Texas48]

Going to put this link up in the Links Thread also... all the info from the beginning.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


Gotta get ready for work, will check in later...TY dino..this really helps..

[AmndaRcknwth]

the defense HAD to ask that that happen.

Why?

Can the defendant not gat a fair trial with results from one autopsy?

If the ME was capable, there need only be one autopsy.

When did we get to be a nation where victims are violated further just on a defense whim?

When?

[Texas48]

Why?

Can the defendant not gat a fair trial with results from one autopsy?

If the ME was capable, there need only be one autopsy.

When did we get to be a nation where victims are violated further just on a defense whim?

When?Games they play? IMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

How many cases are there where the victim is disenterred just because the defense wants a second opinion?

Is this normal?

Why isn't the first autopsy enough?

That is what I want to know. When did we get to the point of this second autopsy precedent, or is there a precedent?

I mean, what would they find out from a second that they did not get from a first? They have not yet had the tests back even.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Games they play? IMO

If it is your child, your precious little girl, whom you have laid to rest...
would you want to tolerate games?

[dinojen]

Second autopsies aren't that unusual..

http://www.truthinjustice.org/ozoa.htm

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5972961

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=23967

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/30/nyregion/board-deterioration-in-coroner-s-office-charged.html?sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=2

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2008/09/02/conroe_courier/news/robbins0901.txt



Just a few I found, there are tons of them. What I am going to try to find is if in California as it is in New York a law that two pathologists are to be involved in a autopsy. One performs the autopsy and one watches so the link says..

And most pathologist I would think treat their victims with much respect, at least the reputable ones.. and I find the statement "and cut her up".. not respectful, but that's JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

Second autopsies aren't that unusual..

http://www.truthinjustice.org/ozoa.htm

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5972961

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=23967

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/30/nyregion/board-deterioration-in-coroner-s-office-charged.html?sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=2

http://www.hcnonline.com/articles/2008/09/02/conroe_courier/news/robbins0901.txt



Just a few I found, there are tons of them. What I am going to try to find is if in California as it is in New York a law that two pathologists are to be involved in a autopsy. One performs the autopsy and one watches so the link says..

And most pathologist I would think treat their victims with much respect, at least the reputable ones.. and I find the statement "and cut her up".. not respectful, but that's JMO

Thank you, dj, I wanted to know if this was protocol in most DP cases.

Sorry you find my words disrespectful. I would call them distateful but honest.

What I find disrespectful is the treatment of Sandra's remains if the ruling is for the defense. Her family does not deserve the additional pain.

I guess I don't get it. My distaste is for the murderer, NOT the victim.

[dinojen]

Thank you, dj, I wanted to know if this was protocol in most DP cases.

Sorry you find my words disrespectful. I would call them distateful but honest.

What I find disrespectful is the treatment of Sandra's remains if the ruling is for the defense. Her family does not deserve the additional pain.

I guess I don't get it. My distaste is for the murderer, NOT the victim.

The PD's job is to make sure that their client is given a fair trial and if that means they feel the need to request a second autopsy I think that's within their right. It's up to the PD to prove to the judge it's necessary. I don't think that Mr. Behar is doing this just for giggles and grins.. he's doing his job. I would think it odd if he didn't request it especially with the special circumstance charges.

Not defending MH or showing any disrespect for Sandra or her family.. but it's part of our judicial system. I would rather they have all the necessary information now than come to the middle of the trial and someone walks because of something missed in the investigation.. JMHO

[oodi]

The PD's job is to make sure that their client is given a fair trial and if that means they feel the need to request a second autopsy I think that's within their right. It's up to the PD to prove to the judge it's necessary. I don't think that Mr. Behar is doing this just for giggles and grins.. he's doing his job. I would think it odd if he didn't request it especially with the special circumstance charges.

Not defending MH or showing any disrespect for Sandra or her family.. but it's part of our judicial system. I would rather they have all the necessary information now than come to the middle of the trial and someone walks because of something missed in the investigation.. JMHO

While I hate to see Sandra's remains disturbed, I have to agree. Based on my own personal experience... my previous husband was killed in a car accident. None of the reports were available for at least 30 days, and when I did receive them, it became clear that none of the agencies involved did their jobs correctly and/or completely. The report from LE was incomplete, as was the report from the fire department and the coroner's office. By the time I became aware of all of this, it was too late to rectify anything, as my husband had been cremated and the car salvaged for scrap. This was not a criminal case, but it still left many nagging questions for myself and my children... questions that still haunt us today, many years later.

I am not implying that the agencies involved in Sandra's case are/were incompetent, but mistakes do happen. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Thank you, dj, I wanted to know if this was protocol in most DP cases.

Sorry you find my words disrespectful. I would call them distateful but honest.

What I find disrespectful is the treatment of Sandra's remains if the ruling is for the defense. Her family does not deserve the additional pain.

I guess I don't get it. My distaste is for the murderer, NOT the victim.

What would they have done if Sandra's family had decided to have her cremated?

[bhardy1956]

The PD's job is to make sure that their client is given a fair trial and if that means they feel the need to request a second autopsy I think that's within their right. It's up to the PD to prove to the judge it's necessary. I don't think that Mr. Behar is doing this just for giggles and grins.. he's doing his job. I would think it odd if he didn't request it especially with the special circumstance charges.

Not defending MH or showing any disrespect for Sandra or her family.. but it's part of our judicial system. I would rather they have all the necessary information now than come to the middle of the trial and someone walks because of something missed in the investigation.. JMHO


I think that this should change, there is no reason that a Pathologist can't be one that is objective and on neither side. A straight up doctor that just does the autospy straight forward and complete, so it only has to be done once and both sides can use the findings. IMO

[bhardy1956]

Or, why didn't the PD ask for a 2nd autospy before Sandra was laid to rest? I think they had time for that, or they could have held Sandra's body until after a 2nd autospy.

[dinojen]

Or, why didn't the PD ask for a 2nd autospy before Sandra was laid to rest? I think they had time for that, or they could have held Sandra's body until after a 2nd autospy.

PD Behar wasn't assinged to the case till the 15th which was the same day of Sandra's funeral..

[dinojen]

Superior Court Presiding Judge William J. Murray Jr. on Thursday refused to rule on Behar's request for possession of Sandra's remains, telling him he'll have to wait for another judge to decide it Friday, the next scheduled hearing date.

Oakland criminal defense attorney Daniel Horowitz said exhuming a body for a follow-up autopsy is common. In a potential death penalty case, he said it could be malpractice if Huckaby's defense did not make an effort.

"If you have cancer, you could have a great doctor," Horowitz said. "But you're still going to get a second opinion. This is no different."

Robert Lawrence, a Stockton forensic pathologist who has performed thousands of autopsies, estimated that one in 50 homicide victims undergoes an autopsy by a defense pathologist.

Most of the time, the defense will hire a pathologist to review the coroner's reports and photos to form an alternative theory rather than trying to exhume a body, Lawrence said.

He said there are some pathologists who form their analysis to fit a defense theory rather than seek the truth. Behar's pathologist, Haddix, has a reputation for being ethical and skilled, Lawrence said.


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090418/A_NEWS/904180324


Just FYI and reading..

[juliekan]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss230/crimecases/cantugloves2.jpg

This photo is said to be gloves. I see a kitty.I can even see the 1 pointed ear. So I think maybe she planted 1 under the church and asked Sandra to help her retrieve the kitty to get her to go with her. JAT=just a thought.

How does one "plant" a cat? Make it stay? :huh:

[StickyBeak]

Video from the Today show this am. Interesting they are reporting many people in Tracey do not think MH acted alone. Hearing supposedly scheduled for this coming friday with regard to second autopsy.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30305426#30305426

[ginky41]

My apologies if this has been posted already:

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Huckaby tied to January missing girl reportby Jennifer Wadsworth20 mins 25 secs ago
Melissa Huckaby, 28, center, listens in a Stockton courtroom to public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg during her arraignment today. AP Photo/Paul Sakuma, Pool
slideshow Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he can say nothing about the reported abduction in January because it’s part of the ongoing murder investigation.

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth at 830-4225 or jwadsworth@tracypress.com.

[dinojen]

Huckaby tied to January missing girl report


Melissa Chantel Huckaby, 28, is tied to a report that someone in January took a 7-year-old girl to a park for four hours and brought her back high on muscle relaxers.

Huckaby told a Sacramento news station that police questioned her about the incident reported on January 17 by a family in the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park. Huckaby lived in the same complex, also where 8-year-old Sandra Cantu lived before police found her dead body on April 10. Police arrested Huckaby four days later on suspicion on kidnapping, raping and killing Sandra.

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Police towed a purple Kia Sportage registered to Huckaby the day after farmworkers found Sandra’s body inside a suitcase dumped in a dairy lagoon.

When the woman — apparently Huckaby — returned the girl, the family took her to the hospital. A doctor found benzodiazepines — a muscle relaxant — in the girl’s bloodstream, the police log noted.

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.

Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he can say nothing about the reported abduction in January because it’s part of the ongoing murder investigation.


http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[dinojen]

So what if this pathologist does a 2nd autopsy and comes to the same conclusion, do they hide it? Melissa has the ability to stop this ugly madness. Her parents need to convince her to take responsibilty for what she has done. But then again defense att. never want their client to accept responsibilty. Defense att. do not search for the truth, they are paid to minimize their clients responsibilty. How come when Sandra was raped and murdererd she lost her rights? IMO



Her attorney works for the state.. he's a state employee.. he's doing his job.. he's a PUBLIC DEFENDER..

Sandra didn't lose her rights.. but by our judicial system the one accused of these crimes also has rights.. that's just the way it works. I know it doesn't seem fair.. but those are the rules by which our system works.

[dinojen]

Sorry didn't see the newest report from Tracy Press already posted..

There was one part of the report that I found interesting...

Police logs say the girl’s mother had alcohol on her breath and carried around some type of drug. Police dismissed the incident because of the mother’s drug and alcohol problem, said a friend of the family’s who asked not to be identified because the FBI asked the family not to talk about the case.


Another twist in this weird story...:confused:

Wonder if the girls mother could of actually been the one to give the drug to her child and attempt to place the blame elsewhere.. just tossing it out there.. not defending MH in this..

Oh and this too..

The January report alleges that someone took a 45-pound blue-eyed dark-haired girl to a park. The woman and the child were gone for four hours, from about 1:30 to after 5 p.m., according to the police log. The woman who took the girl drove a purple Kia Sportage, according to the report.

Who let's their kid go to a park with a woman it sounds like they don't even know?

[dinojen]

She still took her daughter to ER didn't she? They found drugs, she had been in a veheicle exactly like Melissa's. Even her description matches Sandra's. Stop staying you are not defending Melissa, it appears you are.JMO

Everything is not always as it appears...:wink:

[ginky41]

The chain of events with this case just keeps getting weirder and weirder.....

[ginky41]

Reality is also understanding people do ugly things, dispicable things, things that boggle the brain. It is my reality that the LE would not charge Melissa, nor put Sandra's family through this knowledge if they did NOT have proof in what they believe to be BARD and worthy of the DP.JMO


I agree Snazzy. In my own mind I can't believe MH acted alone, I just can't wrap my mind around it. On the other hand, because this case is so unique, I am also confident in LE's confidence that they have their one and only suspect. I believe that they have an open and shut case against MH, my guess is that the rest of us will see that in due time. IMO.

[kitty1182]

Been out of town since Thursday......
Can somebody give me the lastest headlines? I was not on the internet or watch any news while I was gone..TIA:smile:

[ginky41]

Been out of town since Thursday......
Can somebody give me the lastest headlines? I was not on the internet or watch any news while I was gone..TIA:smile:

Hi Kitty, here are a few of the headlines from the past few days:

Huckaby tied to January missing girl report
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Defense wants Sandra Cantu exhumed for second autopsy
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2339037-Defense+wants+Sandra+Cantu+exhumed+for+second+auto psy&article-Defense%20wants%20Sandra%20Cantu%20exhumed%20for%2 0second%20autopsy%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Public skeptical that woman killed, raped girl
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2345986-Public+skeptical+that+woman+killed-+raped+girl&article-Public%20skeptical%20that%20woman%20killed-%20raped%20girl%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Huckaby told friends she was raped
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Huckaby%20told%20friends%20she%20was%20raped%20=&page_label=home&id=2341927-Huckaby+told+friends+she+was+raped&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

[aproudmom]

Madame, I googled Sandra Cantu kitten and got a link to another board which suggested that maybe she lured Sandra with a kitten or puppy. I guess maybe that is where it came from. (probably should have done that before I asked:blushing:

I have said it looked like a kitten or a little pup not a pair of gloves since I saw the pic of the women removing it from under the church..please tell me I was not right..

[kitty1182]

Hi Kitty, here are a few of the headlines from the past few days:

Huckaby tied to January missing girl report
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2353504-Huckaby+tied+to+January+missing+girl+report&widget=push&article-Huckaby%20tied%20to%20January%20missing%20girl%20r eport%20=&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Defense wants Sandra Cantu exhumed for second autopsy
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2339037-Defense+wants+Sandra+Cantu+exhumed+for+second+auto psy&article-Defense%20wants%20Sandra%20Cantu%20exhumed%20for%2 0second%20autopsy%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Public skeptical that woman killed, raped girl
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2345986-Public+skeptical+that+woman+killed-+raped+girl&article-Public%20skeptical%20that%20woman%20killed-%20raped%20girl%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Huckaby told friends she was raped
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Huckaby%20told%20friends%20she%20was%20raped%20=&page_label=home&id=2341927-Huckaby+told+friends+she+was+raped&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

Thanks.........:smile:

[dinojen]

Been out of town since Thursday......
Can somebody give me the lastest headlines? I was not on the internet or watch any news while I was gone..TIA:smile:

There is also a great link up in the links thread, here it is.. has everything by day what has happened also with pdf documents.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263

[aproudmom]

In my experience, trying to make a cat "stay" is like trying to nail Jello to a wall.

omg someone will try to see if it can be done..do not hurt any animals please:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

If this is the same one why would the mother take the child to the ER if she gave her something..MH said this child's mother did not know the grandma said it was OK for her to take her to the park and reported her missing MH said she always took her to the park..which is kinda scary IMO but IIRC this is the same child we heard about awhile back..when the cops knocked on her door at 2am..she was telling the reporters the days before her arrest about this...also if she had benzodiazepines they are usually used for stress and depression so sure hope they can see what MH was on if anything..such as Xanax, Klonopin they would knock a child out very easy...so this was in January this is very scary that they did not look into this more because the mother smelled of booze and had pills..I have a feeling we will see Sandra was drugged..jmo

[aproudmom]

Relax and re-read the post, mom. I was not suggesting nailing the cat to the wall, just JELLO!!
No harm will come to the Jello either.

o please it was a joke:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

I think you can make a kitty go under a church, put some cat food under there, drug it. I'm a dog lover. But would never hurt a cat or dog. Do you recall what date they found the kitty?

the first search of the church they heard the women come out and say I got it..but everyone said it looked to be gloves I thought it was a small kitten she had it held in both hands..just did not look to be a pair of gloves but was not going to drive myself nuts trying to zoom in and out on the pic..so just went along with everyone else and said OK gloves...ZAZZY I can not recall the date but it was the first one before they were even really on to her or we did not think they were we all thought it was grandpa or the church handyman..

[aproudmom]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

someone tell me what they think it is

[StickyBeak]

It is possible a Mother cat gave birth under the crawl space of church, IIRC that was the fbi, and we thought it odd they did not just remove the grate. Certainly could have been a small kitty left behind. Could MH have lured sandra there because of the poor little trapped kitty? Certainly. I am with the townspeople agreeing someone else has to be involved in Sandra's death. Unfortunately, it is not because I believe women are incapable of this type of crime, low self esteem, drugs, mental deficiencies, whatever. She sure does not fit a profile nor does her being raped at 18 constitute her actions. She is entitled to legal council. I hate to see Sandra's body exhumed, I am sad for her family. Tis a shame this was not anticipated before Sandra was buried, but it is what it is, must be done. So what would happened if Sandra was cremated? Would digital pictures and analysis suffice w/toxicology?
So sad.

[Debb]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

someone tell me what they think it is

I guess it could be gloves, although very large gloves. It looks more like a baby racoon to me.

[StickyBeak]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

someone tell me what they think it is

I see a black, cushioned area across the top and a bracket sort of device, IMO. Something used to clip on a piece of gym equip, dental chair to support your neck, JMO.
Look at the positioning of the persons left hand, (fingers) seems held between thumb and forefinger. Definetly not a kitty Kat.

[dinojen]

A San Joaquin Superior Court spokeswoman said a hearing on the exhumation request is scheduled for Friday, the same day Huckaby is due back in court for a further arraignment where she would have the opportunity to enter a plea.

Messages seeking comment on Behar's request from the San Joaquin district attorney's office were not returned today and Sandra's family could not comment on the request.

"I wish I could, but I can't," Cantu's aunt, Angie Chavez, told ABCNews.com today.

Despite the sympathies that lay with Sandra's family and the understandable ill ease that may come with the idea of exhuming her body, Denver-based criminal defense attorney Lisa Wayne said Huckaby's public defender is doing what he needs to in order to properly defend his client.

Behar's request claims Sandra's body was released to a funeral chapel April 7, four days before Huckaby was arrested and charged with her murder. According to the court document, Sandra is interred in an above-ground crypt.

Wayne, who lectures across the country on the defense of sex crimes, is not involved in the Huckaby case, but said the defense attorney is well within his rights to examine every piece of evidence against his client, including Sandra's body.

"It sounds cold, but it is evidence," Wayne said.

"It sounds as if something in the autopsy report or some evidence he has seen -- there's some red flags or he has some concerns," she said.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7382002&page=1


Just FYI not trying to cause any friction... just saw this and thought I would share.

[aproudmom]

I guess it could be gloves, although very large gloves. It looks more like a baby racoon to me.

lol kinda thought it looked liked one to..

[AmndaRcknwth]

She still took her daughter to ER didn't she? They found drugs, she had been in a veheicle exactly like Melissa's. Even her description matches Sandra's. Stop staying you are not defending Melissa, it appears you are.JMO

When someone begins every third post with "not defending..." it may as well not even be typed.

So---
Looks like Melissa was into the game for more than just one time with Sandra.

Are the cops so sure Melissa acted alone because she took pictures, maybe? Pictures to turn on a freako, one of the 60 kid-porn-people in Tracy?
I keep going back to the thing Melissa's Dad said on his interview... "the girl I saw on film is not the Melissa I know" (paraphrased)

[aproudmom]

A San Joaquin Superior Court spokeswoman said a hearing on the exhumation request is scheduled for Friday, the same day Huckaby is due back in court for a further arraignment where she would have the opportunity to enter a plea.

Messages seeking comment on Behar's request from the San Joaquin district attorney's office were not returned today and Sandra's family could not comment on the request.

"I wish I could, but I can't," Cantu's aunt, Angie Chavez, told ABCNews.com today.

Despite the sympathies that lay with Sandra's family and the understandable ill ease that may come with the idea of exhuming her body, Denver-based criminal defense attorney Lisa Wayne said Huckaby's public defender is doing what he needs to in order to properly defend his client.

Behar's request claims Sandra's body was released to a funeral chapel April 7, four days before Huckaby was arrested and charged with her murder. According to the court document, Sandra is interred in an above-ground crypt.

Wayne, who lectures across the country on the defense of sex crimes, is not involved in the Huckaby case, but said the defense attorney is well within his rights to examine every piece of evidence against his client, including Sandra's body.

"It sounds cold, but it is evidence," Wayne said.

"It sounds as if something in the autopsy report or some evidence he has seen -- there's some red flags or he has some concerns," she said.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7382002&page=1


Just FYI not trying to cause any friction... just saw this and thought I would share.

thanks dino

[AmndaRcknwth]

Reality is also understanding people do ugly things, dispicable things, things that boggle the brain. It is my reality that the LE would not charge Melissa, nor put Sandra's family through this knowledge if they did NOT have proof in what they believe to be BARD and worthy of the DP.JMO

I can certainly see cops lying to cover for each other, and to win a case, it happens all the time.

But something like this... saying a woman raped a girl when they know darn well it is such an anomaly, NO. I believe they have the goods on Melissa.

[aproudmom]

I see a black, cushioned area across the top and a bracket sort of device, IMO. Something used to clip on a piece of gym equip, dental chair to support your neck, JMO.
Look at the positioning of the persons left hand, (fingers) seems held between thumb and forefinger. Definetly not a kitty Kat.

wonder why they would crawl under there and seem to know just what they were looking for..was this after the 3 hours they talked to grandpa Lawless..seems so odd to me..they did not take the grate off were you could see her flashlight..o well not a biggy...just curious..

[Ice Cycle]

It is possible a Mother cat gave birth under the crawl space of church, IIRC that was the fbi, and we thought it odd they did not just remove the grate. Certainly could have been a small kitty left behind. Could MH have lured sandra there because of the poor little trapped kitty? Certainly. I am with the townspeople agreeing someone else has to be involved in Sandra's death. Unfortunately, it is not because I believe women are incapable of this type of crime, low self esteem, drugs, mental deficiencies, whatever. She sure does not fit a profile nor does her being raped at 18 constitute her actions. She is entitled to legal council. I hate to see Sandra's body exhumed, I am sad for her family. Tis a shame this was not anticipated before Sandra was buried, but it is what it is, must be done. So what would happened if Sandra was cremated? Would digital pictures and analysis suffice w/toxicology?
So sad.

I agree with this but as far as the cat goes, it is obvious it was not gloves but I blew it up also and looks possibly like a baby raccoon to me.

[aproudmom]

I agree with this but as far as the cat goes, it is obvious it was not gloves but I blew it up also and looks possibly like a baby raccoon to me.

Thank you I also blew it up..it does not look like gloves to me either..:confused:

[aproudmom]

JVM talking about case

[aproudmom]

she admitted to having this child at the park that day if it is the same one..it is on video in the links I am sure..she told the reporters about this...

[Anakerie]

JVM talking about case

I'm not watching her today due to a bad headache... Her yelling would certainly make the headache worse.. Is she saying anything new about the case or is she rehashing things that have already been disclosed and discussed on here?

[DixieChick]

I'm wondering if Huckaby staged a rape to make it look like a man did it.
:unsure:

[aproudmom]

This was the day they searched the church there is a video on the side I have not watched it yet..they just say it appears to be gloves...

Apr 8, 2009
http://cbs13.com/crime/sandra.cantu.church.2.979400.html

FBI Digs Under Church; Memorial For Sandra Grows
The Clover Road Baptist Church was cordoned off Tuesday afternoon as agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation combed over the property, hauling out items and bagging items found.

CBS13 cameras rolled as an agent from the FBI's Evidence Response Team crawled into an underground space and emerged with what appeared to be a pair of work gloves. The FBI has not commented on what they are searching for.

[aproudmom]

http://cbs13.com/crime/melissa.huckaby.grandfather.2.989048.html

Tracy church pastor Lane Lawless told CBS 13's David Begnaud he will have a lot to say when "this is all over."

Lawless was referring to the saga surrounding his granddaughter Melissa Huckaby. The 28-year-old mother is charged with kidnapping, raping, and murdering her daughter's playmate Sandra Cantu.

Begnaud was on location in Tracy on Saturday working as a special correspondent for the Dr. Phil show when he and producers interviewed Lawless outside his Clover Road Baptist Church. Lawless says he has not seen his granddaughter since her arrest and he has no plans to visit her in jail.


okey dokey

[wondering?]

Ok, could be all wrong about this but my husband and I just studied that picture. In going through the photos that were before that one it seems that the person is holding a long, black flashlight. Then in this picture it looks like the black flashlight is in the hand and then something else. Not sure what the something else is but think for sure, person is holding a long, black flashlight. What do u think??

[cutiepatootie61]

Ok, could be all wrong about this but my husband and I just studied that picture. In going through the photos that were before that one it seems that the person is holding a long, black flashlight. Then in this picture it looks like the black flashlight is in the hand and then something else. Not sure what the something else is but think for sure, person is holding a long, black flashlight. What do u think??

Yes definitely a flashlight in hand, but the right hand appears to be holding a handle of some sort like they are carrying something atop of something else so as not to touch it. Can't make it out though, photo is too blurry.

[FrankieBones1]

she admitted to having this child at the park that day if it is the same one..it is on video in the links I am sure..she told the reporters about this...

We've known about this since early last week and Jane is just now learning about it. Didn't she listen to the taped phone call? Huckaby admitted to everything except for drugging the child.

[FrankieBones1]

Been out of town since Thursday......
Can somebody give me the lastest headlines? I was not on the internet or watch any news while I was gone..TIA:smile:
You really haven't missed much, Kitty. And welcome back!

It might have been on Friday when we learned that the defense wants to exhume Sandra's remains and do an autopsy. Not sure why they didn't do this before the burial.

[aproudmom]

Ok, could be all wrong about this but my husband and I just studied that picture. In going through the photos that were before that one it seems that the person is holding a long, black flashlight. Then in this picture it looks like the black flashlight is in the hand and then something else. Not sure what the something else is but think for sure, person is holding a long, black flashlight. What do u think??

You know what she did have a flashlight in the video it shows through the grate..could be never thought of that..kudos to you and ur hubby you both may be right...

[dinojen]

You really haven't missed much, Kitty. And welcome back!

It might have been on Friday when we learned that the defense wants to exhume Sandra's remains and do an autopsy. Not sure why they didn't do this before the burial.

Her PD was assigned the case the same day that the burial took place.. too bad it wasn't sooner... :sad: so there wasn't anyone to request it before her burial.

[Ice Cycle]

I don't even know what a baby raccoon looks like. I just seen the small back legs, tail and pointy ear, small face (can't make out the features tho).

Well I have never seen one either but I have seen a grown one and to look at them they are cute in the face so I would imagine a baby one would be cuter. In the picture it looks like it has black around the eyes like they do. Also she is holding it out pretty far and though I am not certain of this I believe they might or can carry rabies.

[aproudmom]

We've known about this since early last week and Jane is just now learning about it. Didn't she listen to the taped phone call? Huckaby admitted to everything except for drugging the child.

I know what a joke we heard that before she was ever arrested..

[aproudmom]

Her PD was assigned the case the same day that the burial took place.. too bad it wasn't sooner... :sad: so there wasn't anyone to request it before her burial.

yeah agree I know it is hard to think about does anyone know she is not actually buried right? not that it matters but I thought they said she was in a mosileum..they better be glad she was not cremated or they would not even have the chance to have another autopsy..and actually she had not been laid to rest yet when she was arrested she was just at the funeral home so I am not so sure they could not have put a rush and ask for this from the first day she was in court..they have worked with MH on her other case and knew what the charges were well before she was laid to rest.....

[aproudmom]

Thanks to one of our wonderful posters here are some pics of the women going under the church you can click on enlarge and it will make them bigger..anyone got a good photo shop.lol

Flashlight in hand
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03965.jpg

crawling under church
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03966.jpg


has something in her hands and someone sorry can not remember the name but there is a black flashlight in her hands
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

[aproudmom]

Ok, could be all wrong about this but my husband and I just studied that picture. In going through the photos that were before that one it seems that the person is holding a long, black flashlight. Then in this picture it looks like the black flashlight is in the hand and then something else. Not sure what the something else is but think for sure, person is holding a long, black flashlight. What do u think??

you know what got to thank you cause I went and looked again and seen she did have a black flashlight in her hand...:thumbup:

[dinojen]

yeah agree I know it is hard to think about does anyone know she is not actually buried right? not that it matters but I thought they said she was in a mosileum..they better be glad she was not cremated or they would not even have the chance to have another autopsy..and actually she had not been laid to rest yet when she was arrested she was just at the funeral home so I am not so sure they could not have put a rush and ask for this from the first day she was in court..they have worked with MH on her other case and knew what the charges were well before she was laid to rest.....


She is in a mausoleum and buried above ground... the timing of this whole thing was just off.. I don't think the PD she had at her initial hearing or arraignment might possibly not of been qualified to handle a death penalty case.. JMO. That would be why it took several days to assign the case to Behar and in the mean time Sandra's burial was already planned... so there was no one to ask for a second autopsy ...

Just speculation... I have heard many defense atty's say that if the PD didn't ask for this he wouldn't be doing his job... I know it sucks.. but that's their job...

[StickyBeak]

Posting the pic of the photobucket I viewed from aproudmom.
I must be senile, where do y'all see a kitty of racoon? I cliked on pic. and it seems to me it is some sort of a metal device being held by investigators. Looks like a head rest of some sort. Please send prayers for stickbeak cause I am over the edge.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

[MoonHarvest]

Watching Nancy Grace and shaking my head.

Can't wait to hear what the Grandpa has to say eventually.

[sleuth]

I am ASSUMING that her lawyer didn't enter a plea , giving her more time to investigate Melissa's psychological state, etc as well as, giving her more time to talk to Melissa. ( and now, of course, the request for the 2nd autopsy).

As for the tox tests, I have heard no news.

I also hate the idea of that of that precious child's body being taken from her final resting place. I was told and it makes sense, all info and test are made in order so when the sentance is read. Her attorney cannot claim something was overlooked or not in order and her go free.

[LILMANMAX]

I have always felt MH did not act alone. And I mean the underlying reason for this brutal crime was child porn. Not sure if someone else was there at the exact time, but not convinced there was not. I've always felt Sandra was drugged. If it is true MH was involved with the drugging of another little girl, my feelings are stronger. The 2nd autopsy request also seals it for me. They could always plead to LWOP and the death penalty would be off the table.

This case is more twisted than color tv and I have a feeling this is only the beginning. JMO
Gruesome case.

[dinojen]

LKL is covering this tonite also...

[StickyBeak]

I have always felt MH did not act alone. And I mean the underlying reason for this brutal crime was child porn. Not sure if someone else was there at the exact time, but not convinced there was not. I've always felt Sandra was drugged. If it is true MH was involved with the drugging of another little girl, my feelings are stronger. The 2nd autopsy request also seals it for me. They could always plead to LWOP and the death penalty would be off the table.

This case is more twisted than color tv and I have a feeling this is only the beginning. JMO
Gruesome case.

I have to agree, something just does not sit right with me. A small community with no fear of such a horrendous murder. Seems as though many throughout Tracey do not think she acted alone. I hate to think Sandra was killed for monetary reasons but I suspect some kind of severe emotional issue with MH. Just can't put my finger on it..... I am not tuned into this sick, child porn but somehow I suspect that this is only the beginning. I pray for LE to have the stamia to take this to the full extent of the law. FBI must have some inkling if they intend to do special analysis. Poor Sandra, I find comfort that her soul has gone to heaven or a much better place, her body being exhumed was just a vessel here on this hell we call earth. JMO

[aproudmom]

I'm wondering if Huckaby staged a rape to make it look like a man did it.
:unsure:

That has crossed my mind for about 1 minute if she wanted to do that then she should have put in a little more thought..how many SO clothe someone and put them in anything they usually just dump them naked on the side of the road...uck sorry did not even like saying that..

[aproudmom]

I have to agree, something just does not sit right with me. A small community with no fear of such a horrendous murder. Seems as though many throughout Tracey do not think she acted alone. I hate to think Sandra was killed for monetary reasons but I suspect some kind of severe emotional issue with MH. Just can't put my finger on it..... I am not tuned into this sick, child porn but somehow I suspect that this is only the beginning. I pray for LE to have the stamia to take this to the full extent of the law. FBI must have some inkling if they intend to do special analysis. Poor Sandra, I find comfort that her soul has gone to heaven or a much better place, her body being exhumed was just a vessel here on this hell we call earth. JMO

I have thought the same for some reason...dont know why I can not get past that but the name keeps coming up.:unsure:

[~jomomma~]

Posting the pic of the photobucket I viewed from aproudmom.
I must be senile, where do y'all see a kitty of racoon? I cliked on pic. and it seems to me it is some sort of a metal device being held by investigators. Looks like a head rest of some sort. Please send prayers for stickbeak cause I am over the edge.

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=DSC03968.jpg

don't feel bad StickyBeak! i'm not seeing it either! what i'm seeing what might be the tail (if i am seeing a kitty), it's too stiff and straight! LOL!

hi everyone! i've not been posting much lately but i am reading.

this case just threw me for a loop. i still can't get over the image of that bag sitting there and the night we watched as they were recovering it and then finding out it held little Sandra :unsure:

[Ice Cycle]

don't feel bad StickyBeak! i'm not seeing it either! what i'm seeing what might be the tail (if i am seeing a kitty), it's too stiff and straight! LOL!

hi everyone! i've not been posting much lately but i am reading.

this case just threw me for a loop. i still can't get over the image of that bag sitting there and the night we watched as they were recovering it and then finding out it held little Sandra :unsure:

Well I do see the flashlight but I do believe it might be a raccoon or some other type of baby animals she has also. Whatever it is she is holding it with both hands and appears to be being cautious.
Not that it matters as I guess it will eventually come out what she has.

[oodi]

If it was some kind of animal (wild or otherwise), I would think that animal control would have been called in to deal with it. Does anyone recall seeing an animal control truck in any of the videos?

I can't imagine LE taking the risk of dealing with any kind of wild animal on their own, and run the risk of rabies, etc., without any catch pole or traps or cages.

[girlspell]

You really haven't missed much, Kitty. And welcome back!

It might have been on Friday when we learned that the defense wants to exhume Sandra's remains and do an autopsy. Not sure why they didn't do this before the burial.

I don't think she had a lawyer at that time. She went for more then a couple of days with out one.

[MoonFlwr]

don't feel bad StickyBeak! i'm not seeing it either! what i'm seeing what might be the tail (if i am seeing a kitty), it's too stiff and straight! LOL!

hi everyone! i've not been posting much lately but i am reading.

this case just threw me for a loop. i still can't get over the image of that bag sitting there and the night we watched as they were recovering it and then finding out it held little Sandra :unsure:

Me too...been thrown for a loop.

Everytime I go out and I happen to see a girl about Sandra's age with similar colouring...usually walking along, happy-go-lucky with her parent/s, the reality of what happened to Sandra hits me again. :sad:

[darcie]

Thirty two years ago, I was 7, and molested by two women of the church. It happens. Women are and can be just as brutal as men. Is it the norm? Probably not, but it is also a reality.

America needs to take their rose colored glasses off, and open their eyes.

MOO

ETA just wanted to say this not for sympathy and or attention, but for a check of reality, and peoples perspective of child abusers/molestors. They come in all sorts, sizes, shapes, sex, and color.
They are not always men.