Monday, April 20

[Lovethechild]

starting a new thread...hope its Ok.:blushing:

[psbperu]

You're an early bird...good morning & thanks for the thread.

Sure would be heartening to get some positive news on this case.

[MoonFlwr]

lol! ;) Of course it's ok!

Perhaps you should paste the link to this thread in the last thread in case some people don't realise that there's a new one.

[panache]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

WOW!!!

I woke up to this!! Pretty amazing if true. TJ has been the reporter on record during this case so I do trust him.

If Ron did this, it was a pretty stupid move on his part.

So sad to hear how badly Crystal looks.Two months of stress is certainly wearing on her according to TJ. I hope she gets the answers she so desperately needs.

moo

[beachpatty]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

WOW!!!

I woke up to this!! Pretty amazing if true. TJ has been the reporter on record during this case so I do trust him.

If Ron did this, it was a pretty stupid move on his part.

So sad to hear how badly Crystal looks.Two months of stress is certainly wearing on her according to TJ. I hope she gets the answers she so desperately needs.

moo


g'mornin pan :smile:

that is way wierd, why would he do that now? crimney, just when you think it's beyond belief, something else happens!

i hope crystal is under the care of a good doctor, that skin coloring could well be a sign of something serious (liver), with her just being hospitalized, i would think her doc is on it.

beachpatty

[Texas48]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

WOW!!!

I woke up to this!! Pretty amazing if true. TJ has been the reporter on record during this case so I do trust him.

If Ron did this, it was a pretty stupid move on his part.

So sad to hear how badly Crystal looks.Two months of stress is certainly wearing on her according to TJ. I hope she gets the answers she so desperately needs.

mooI feel for Crystal and its sad to hear that according to TJ Hart she is not *looking good*...she may have more medical problems that we know...as for the article...i will double your WoW..I'm glad some news finally got out but this is just not what we were looking for..When you say it can't get any worse..watch out..lol.It amazes me that we would have never known these ppl if it were not for little Haleigh missing..I have to wounder what their lives were like BEFORE we got involved..:scared:

[JackiBlu]

g'mornin pan :smile:

that is way wierd, why would he do that now? crimney, just when you think it's beyond belief, something else happens!

i hope crystal is under the care of a good doctor, that skin coloring could well be a sign of something serious (liver), with her just being hospitalized, i would think her doc is on it.

beachpatty

ITA This story is just too strange. It just makes no sense.

I just checked the Putman County Jail for booking and he hasn't been arrested. So that makes me wonder.

Here is the link for the jail bookings.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

[panache]

I found this on Twitter that was on last night. Looks like TJ was broadcasting.

http://twitter.com/SKY973

I'll be right back, I found something else interesting on AH...Going to find it again.

[panache]

Check out comment 42....An open letter to Misty.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/14/white-boy-greg-on-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/

I must say this is the weirdest case I have ever followed.

[panache]

g'mornin pan :smile:

that is way wierd, why would he do that now? crimney, just when you think it's beyond belief, something else happens!

i hope crystal is under the care of a good doctor, that skin coloring could well be a sign of something serious (liver), with her just being hospitalized, i would think her doc is on it.

beachpatty

Good Morning Patty.

Can you believe this? If true, Ron is self destructing. What was he thinking? Imagine, with all Junior has been through to use him as a decoy to get at Amber's child. Guess this answers the question that Ron claims paternity, doesn't it? Why else would he try and take Jordan?

moo

[panache]

Jr. should be taken out of that home immediately and put into a safe environment. ronald cummings is insane and/or on drugs to attempt a stunt like this. IMO. :cuss:

I can't argue with that Jo, something's got to give in this case, its all too crazy. Is Ron just looking for publicity? Or is this a cry for help?

[Texas48]

this is all just weird, weird! :scared: Interesting..article from TJ Hart says tall thin man....from twitter says tall thin *black* man...???

[Texas48]

Morning Pan! This is outrageous and I hope Kim Picazio is all over this like white on rice. That little boy is in danger, being in the care of this out of control angry male. IMO. :mad:Morning Jo..I hadd a feeling yesterday that something was going to happen down there in Satsuma..Not this..but something...I would have thought TN would NOT have let Jr. out of her sight...I even posted several days ago that I was at least glad Jr was at GGM and watched over by her and TN..Here we go..what a world these ppl live in..

[crymeariver2006]

Check out comment 42....An open letter to Misty.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/14/white-boy-greg-on-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/

I must say this is the weirdest case I have ever followed.

"the offer will stand for three days"?

So is "the offer" up tomorrow?

[crymeariver2006]

I can't argue with that Jo, something's got to give in this case, its all too crazy. Is Ron just looking for publicity? Or is this a cry for help?

Well, other than sending Jr. to the door, didn't he have Haleigh and Jr. with him (for visitation) when he filed for custody?

It *could* be deja vu all over again.

Use Amber's recent arrest against her in order to get custody and $$ for child support?

Remember Misty told him he needed to "get" that baby away from Amber.

(I don't think he's looking for publicity, BTW nor do I think it's a cry on his part for help. I think he's just being his usual self. IMO, MOO, JMO).

[panache]

I saw that. I do remember the black gentleman that was Ron's friend that was always with him in the beginning...but I wouldn't describe him as thin :confused:

That would be Orlando T., and your right, he is not a thin man.

[panache]

Well, other than sending Jr. to the door, didn't he have Haleigh and Jr. with him (for visitation) when he filed for custody?

It *could* be deja vu all over again.

Use Amber's recent arrest against her in order to get custody and $$ for child support?

Remember Misty told him he needed to "get" that baby away from Amber.

(I don't think he's looking for publicity, BTW nor do I think it's a cry on his part for help. I think he's just being his usual self. IMO, MOO, JMO).

I under stand that Amber has a warrant out for her arrest for not appearing for her latest traffic violation. This young lady has more trouble than she could ever have bargained for. Now she has to fear someone may steal Jordan.

If Hardy doesn't step up to the plate on this latest, something tragic is going to occur again, I fear.

moo

[Texas48]

I saw that. I do remember the black gentleman that was Ron's friend that was always with him in the beginning...but I wouldn't describe him as thin :confused:Yea..I saw him in several of the *shots* with Ron an and gang and I agree..he was anything but thin..That was a BIG man imo..

[Texas48]

Check out comment 42....An open letter to Misty.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/14/white-boy-greg-on-cnns-jane-velez-mitchell/

I must say this is the weirdest case I have ever followed.The Open Letter to Misty was discussed by a poster on another site and I'm trying to remember what site..BRB..I may have put in a folder...

[panache]

ITA This story is just too strange. It just makes no sense.

I just checked the Putman County Jail for booking and he hasn't been arrested. So that makes me wonder.

Here is the link for the jail bookings.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Jacki

I just read that Amber was booked this am. Can you find it? Its probably her traffic violation.

[Texas48]

Good morning, all......ITA! This is just bizarre behaviour on RC's part, what was he thinking? Can that 1YO even walk yet? And he HAS been paying child support, I didn't know that before now! Could that be why he tried to get his job back last week, he's getting ready to go to court for being behind in his child support?

Where's Haleigh? I wonder what happened about the tip that came in?

Praying for a miracle today........that she is found, safe and sound.Good morning to you also madame..If Ron was paying CS for this baby how in the world did that not get leaked..?? What in his mind made him think he could ever get away with something this stupid?? Better yet..why would a tall thin maybe blk man help him? No one is that good of a *friend.* Could there be more than one stupid man in that area...? IF all this is true..? anyway..good to see ya here this morning madame..

[panache]

Jacki

I just read that Amber was booked this am. Can you find it? Its probably her traffic violation.

oops, never mind. She's there. First booking on the list.

Now what?

[panache]

Good morning to you also madame..If Ron was paying CS for this baby how in the world did that not get leaked..?? What in his mind made him think he could ever get away with something this stupid?? Better yet..why would a tall thin maybe blk man help him? No one is that good of a *friend.* Could there be more than one stupid man in that area...? IF all this is true..? anyway..good to see ya here this morning madame..

I'm hearing that Amber was collecting child welfare, not support from Ron. Maybe CPS is involved, trying to get reembursement from Ron. Just a thought.

moo

[CNTM]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Click the "Booking Date" for her pic.

[panache]

Booked at 8:04am.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753547&IMG=56921

[Texas48]

I under stand that Amber has a warrant out for her arrest for not appearing for her latest traffic violation. This young lady has more trouble than she could ever have bargained for. Now she has to fear someone may steal Jordan.

If Hardy doesn't step up to the plate on this latest, something tragic is going to occur again, I fear.

mooI wounder how in the world he(Ron) thought he could get away w/something like this? What makes him believe Amber would have taken her baby outside just because Jr was at the door..?? If she saw Jr she is bound to have know Ron wasn't far behind..make sense?

[crymeariver2006]

oops, never mind. She's there. First booking on the list.

Now what?

That's pretty serious!

Mighty coinkydinky though IMO. She gets arrested on drug charges just a week or so before Haleigh disappears. Then she's arrested quickly after the "big drug bust" last week, on the morning after she supposedly calls 911 about Ron.

Makes me still wonder who the "two detained for questioning" were.

JMO

[Texas48]

Booked at 8:04am.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753547&IMG=56921Oh Dear Me..WoW is the right word..

[FrankieBones1]

All three women connected to Ronald Cummings are similar in appearance. Thin build with long, straight hair. And all young.

So Amber's offences are cocaine related. Yet another similarity.

[FrankieBones1]

Oh Dear Me..WoW is the right word..

Any idea how old Jordan is?

[Texas48]

I'm hearing that Amber was collecting child welfare, not support from Ron. Maybe CPS is involved, trying to get reembursement from Ron. Just a thought.

mooNot sure what to think anymore with this bunch..twist and turns.

[Texas48]

It sure does. Wonder if Amber can put a name to the man supposedly with Junior?

Hiya Texie!! :seeya:Jo..I will make a wild quess and say eveybody down there knows everybody else..

[crymeariver2006]

Any idea how old Jordan is?

IIRC, he's close to a year old. Seems like he was about 9-10 months old when Haleigh went missing.

But then again, I'm just going by memory of what was on her MySpace page (and the ol' memory bank ain't what it used to be!)

[Texas48]

All three women connected to Ronald Cummings are similar in appearance. Thin build with long, straight hair. And all young.

So Amber's offences are cocaine related. Yet another similarity.
Amber may be young in years but she looks pretty old in her booking photo..boy oh boy..

[crymeariver2006]

IF what TJ says is true (and right now I have no reason to doubt him), then it looks like Ron might try and use this arrest to his full advantage (once again) with family court.

JMO

And if that's the case, again the big IF, then Misty's nasty post sounds rather ominous in retrospect. "I've got your man and I'll get your baby too".

[panache]

Does Amber have any family? Who has Jordan now?

Amber's mom supposidly has custody of Jordan. But what I have read, she's no prize either. Court records on her too.

Did you take note of Amber's second offense? Contraband!! Wonder what she tried to sneak in.

moo

[Texas48]

IF what TJ says is true (and right now I have no reason to doubt him), then it looks like Ron might try and use this arrest to his full advantage (once again) with family court.

JMO

And if that's the case, again the big IF, then Misty's nasty post sounds rather ominous in retrospect. "I've got your man and I'll get your baby too".morning cry..so this incident may mean..Misty will have another baby to take care of..if Ron is after custody..and wins..??

[panache]

IF what TJ says is true (and right now I have no reason to doubt him), then it looks like Ron might try and use this arrest to his full advantage (once again) with family court.

JMO

And if that's the case, again the big IF, then Misty's nasty post sounds rather ominous in retrospect. "I've got your man and I'll get your baby too".

How could Ron ever hope to gain custody of Jordan after this stunt, let alone have custody of Junior.

I pray Amber doesn't get bonded out and starts talking.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Texas, I agree with Jo Wallace.

Surely there is no way he can wind up w/custody?

Sure he can! If that's what he wants.

What better way to claim "good parent" status than to have both mothers of your children have issues with drugs, "pick up" the child for a "visit", and blindside the mothers right into family court?

[Texas48]

My first and second guess would be some type of drug. What a cesspool in Satsuma and all these children are innocent victims.I twas thinking the same about all these children that is thrust into the middle of this crap just as I was reading your post Jo.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm wondering if Ron somehow knew she was being arrested this morning and went there to try and get Jordan before that happened???

Ron's not that altruistic, IMO. IOW, he wouldn't be doing it out of the goodness of his heart or any concern over Amber or the child's welfare.

If he went there last night and she was arrested this morning, there's a serious timing issue here.

[CNTM]

Same charges as Amber! Cohort maybe?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753549&IMG=37631

[panache]

Same charges!

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753549&IMG=37631

Wow, woo! That's Nay Nay!!!!

Hopefully before they get bonded out, they'll start singing.

The bond amt is too low. :mad:

moo

[Texas48]

Texas, I agree with Jo Wallace.

Surely there is no way he can wind up w/custody?I just don't know..strange things seem to happen in Satsuma..I thought DCS would have already taken Jr and placed him in protective custody..If Le thought that Haleigh's disappearance had anything to do with *drugs* and ppl associated with Ron I didn't think they would leave Jr in their custody untill they were certain he would be safe..but they did. I felt better knowing Jr was at least with GGM and TN keeping an *eye* on him..At this point there isn't much telling what will happen..This may be the reasons LE ask ppl Not to Search the areas(big drug bust going to go down) myself and many have thought it could be drug related(Haleigh vanishing in the middle of the night) and on the 911 call it seemed Ron knew or had thought he knew who could have taken Haleigh..Things may come together now..One person dimeing out another...deals being made..Oh my..where is little Haleigh in all this mess?

[beachpatty]

http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx

Click the "Booking Date" for her pic.


looks like the chick above her, Kristina, was with her, same exact charges?

beach

[CNTM]

Wow, woo! That's Nay Nay!!!!

Hopefully before they get bonded out, they'll start singing.

The bond amt is too low. :mad:

moo

I agree, it is way too low!:angry:

[CNTM]

So maybe they were trying to visit someone in jail and tried to sneak in a little "candy" and got busted? I know, I'm behind!

[beachpatty]

I'm wondering if Ron somehow knew she was being arrested this morning and went there to try and get Jordan before that happened???


hmmm, wonder where he would get that info??

beach

[SwineFeld]

The article at: http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

States the following:

"Crystal did not elaborate, but she said she had received some tips on her MySpace page regarding a possible sighting of Haleigh in another state. She told me she passed that information on to law enforcement and her attorney, Kim Picazzio."

I just have to ask, how is that possible when she still has her myspace page set to private? I always thought it was dumb that these family members have or create myspace pages about Haleigh being missing but then make them private. I can see setting it so that comments have to be approved before being posted (yes, take some precautions). But making it private, IMO, is dumb. Especially when you are trying to use it as a means of getting and giving information about a missing person. JMO

[beachpatty]

Amber's mom supposidly has custody of Jordan. But what I have read, she's no prize either. Court records on her too.

Did you take note of Amber's second offense? Contraband!! Wonder what she tried to sneak in.

moo

o my, and i wonder how :blushing:

beach

[panache]

looks like the chick above her, Kristina, was with her, same exact charges?

beach

Patty, that chick is Nay Nay. Oh the stories she could tell I bet.

My little thingie with the green lights attached to my comp. are blinking. Of all the days for my comp to go on the fritz. :cursing:

[crymeariver2006]

Wow, woo! That's Nay Nay!!!!

Hopefully before they get bonded out, they'll start singing.

The bond amt is too low. :mad:

moo

And this, friends, is what Lenny refers to as a "Daisy Chain".


:laugh:

[panache]

o my, and i wonder how :blushing:

beach

I was wrong about Jordan's custody. I'm being corrected that Lisa, Amber's mom does not have Jordan, but Amber's grandma does. I wonder if this is the address Ron went to last night. What a dumb move on his part.

moo

[beachpatty]

Patty, that chick is Nay Nay. Oh the stories she could tell I bet.

My little thingie with the green lights attached to my comp. are blinking. Of all the days for my comp to go on the fritz. :cursing:


sounds like your modem, if you lose inet, reboot the modem. or are you on wifi? that could be your router, reboot everything if all esle fails!

beach

[panache]

the bond amount is high enough to maybe keep them in there for a while.......I don't even want to ask how they might have been trying to smuggle drugs into the detention facility.....

Doesn't the bond get reduced to $200? Its 10% of the total.

[Texas48]

the bond amount is high enough to maybe keep them in there for a while.......I don't even want to ask how they might have been trying to smuggle drugs into the detention facility.....If you find out I will pass on reading your post cause I can almost imagine HOW she tried to get in jail..Don't want to know..KWIM? :scared:

[SwineFeld]

I guess that's possible.

When you request to become a "friend" you can write a little something with the request.....then they can decide to answer or not. Maybe the tip was in a friend request?

[panache]

sounds like your modem, if you lose inet, reboot the modem. or are you on wifi? that could be your router, reboot everything if all esle fails!

beach

Thanks Patty. I have no clue about comps and how they work. If I disappear you'll know your suggustions didn't work.

You know, I'm thinking Ron's stunt was a ruse for something else. Jordan is too young to walk out that door by himself. What was Ron really trying to attempt is the question.

[Texas48]

you could very well be right, this could be the turning point. And with Cobra and St John on the scene, too, who knows what can happen? I will wait with bated breath, because the stink from Putnam Co is wafting way up here, LOL.

I hope and pray that little Haleigh is somwhere safe, missing her mom and dad and will be home soonI agree madame but I am so fearful for little Haleigh..just a sick feeling..kwim?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Booked at 8:04am.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=753547&IMG=56921


Is that same Amber?

I thought she only had a traffic violation .. this booking has three third degree felonies .. including an attempt to smuggle contraband in the detention center?

Woah

[crymeariver2006]

Doesn't the bond get reduced to $200? Its 10% of the total.

Yep, they'll be out by lunch time.

(Of course, the word "set up" comes to my mind.....I mean, really what are the odds that of all the people arrested in Putnam County for drugs, it's the two that are connected via WBG to Misty and the 3-day party - news of which just recently came to light?)

[Texas48]

Patty, that chick is Nay Nay. Oh the stories she could tell I bet.

My little thingie with the green lights attached to my comp. are blinking. Of all the days for my comp to go on the fritz. :cursing:
go find another comp. real quick girlfriend..would bring u one to borrow but can't get off my comp..lol

[2boysMom]

My first post here...please be gentle! I know my opinion is not the popular one!

I don't believe for a minute RC tried to do what they say. It appears to me that the girls were booked for trying to bring drugs into a jail...how could it be that Amber was also at home, with her child, who apparently she doesn't even look after? I think what has happened is Amber & Kristine were taken into custody for drugs, and this is nothing but spin. The reporter is obviously friendly with the Sheffields and that is where he is getting his info from.

There has been a lot of speculation on other forums that Amber may have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearence, and I wonder if this may have something to do with that. We also know that Amber knew Crystal S.

BTW, that tidbit re child support...as far as I'm aware, paternity has not even been established and there are certainly no orders in place for child support. IMO, the reporter ought to be more careful with his sources in the future.

I sure hope they find Haleigh soon and that she is safe and well.

I don't post here often, but welcome to the board and I agree with your thoughts. :smile:

[Texas48]

My first post here...please be gentle! I know my opinion is not the popular one!

I don't believe for a minute RC tried to do what they say. It appears to me that the girls were booked for trying to bring drugs into a jail...how could it be that Amber was also at home, with her child, who apparently she doesn't even look after? I think what has happened is Amber & Kristine were taken into custody for drugs, and this is nothing but spin. The reporter is obviously friendly with the Sheffields and that is where he is getting his info from.

There has been a lot of speculation on other forums that Amber may have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearence, and I wonder if this may have something to do with that. We also know that Amber knew Crystal S.

BTW, that tidbit re child support...as far as I'm aware, paternity has not even been established and there are certainly no orders in place for child support. IMO, the reporter ought to be more careful with his sources in the future.

I sure hope they find Haleigh soon and that she is safe and well.good morning bunny and Welcome..you and your opinion is always welcome here..Post away..I agree with the part of Ron paying CS to Amber..i searched Sunday morning for a long time and I could not find anything..I wounder IF Ron is working with LE??Think about that theory for a minute..I also read on 2 other sites about the theory of Amber and Haleigh..this is going around and around..MaYBE..LE will have a presser today..They need to as there are many coming down hard on the new high Sherriff Hardy. Maybe the pieces of the puzzle will start to come together. MAYBE.

[panache]

There's another booking at 9:04Am. A Black guy with gold teeth. I won't post his booking until he proves to be related to Amber and Nay Nay's arrest. Things are starting to pop. Cobra has a full plate today, and its not at Memaws.

Where is Tiffany this am, she needs to weigh in. I miss her.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

good morning bunny and Welcome..you and your opinion is always welcome here..Post away..I agree with the part of Ron paying CS to Amber..i searched Sunday morning for a long time and I could not find anything..I wounder IF Ron is working with LE??Think about that theory for a minute..I also read on 2 other sites about the theory of Amber and Haleigh..this is going around and around..MaYBE..LE will have a presser today..They need to as there are many coming down hard on the new high Sherriff Hardy. Maybe the pieces of the puzzle will start to come together. MAYBE.

What theory about Amber and Haleigh?

(Aside from the one I had as soon as I found out Amber existed?)

[crymeariver2006]

There's another booking at 9:04Am. A Black guy with gold teeth. I won't post his booking until he proves to be related to Amber and Nay Nay's arrest. Things are starting to pop. Cobra has a full plate today, and its not at Memaws.

Where is Tiffany this am, she needs to weigh in. I miss her.

moo

It'll be interesting to see if he's "thin".

:wink:

Okay, I peeked. He's not thin and the charges are not identical, although some are drug related.

[TaraCrazyHair]

My first post here...please be gentle! I know my opinion is not the popular one!

I don't believe for a minute RC tried to do what they say. It appears to me that the girls were booked for trying to bring drugs into a jail...how could it be that Amber was also at home, with her child, who apparently she doesn't even look after? I think what has happened is Amber & Kristine were taken into custody for drugs, and this is nothing but spin. The reporter is obviously friendly with the Sheffields and that is where he is getting his info from.

There has been a lot of speculation on other forums that Amber may have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearence, and I wonder if this may have something to do with that. We also know that Amber knew Crystal S.

BTW, that tidbit re child support...as far as I'm aware, paternity has not even been established and there are certainly no orders in place for child support. IMO, the reporter ought to be more careful with his sources in the future.

I sure hope they find Haleigh soon and that she is safe and well.

Welcome

If I am reading it correctly, the supposed incident with Ron was between 9:00 & 10:00 last night and Amber was booked at 8:00 this morning

I wonder if it is more than coincidental?

[Texas48]

haha maybe he was trying to kindle a little something for old time's sake in retaliation for Misty being with Greg? I have no earthly idea, the thought processes of these people are beyond me, drugs and kids, drugs and kids, drugs and kids everywhere you look down there, and no one being held accountable for anything
TRUE madame..and did you notice none of the children are where they are *suppose* to be? My children/your children are/were in OUR homes..in their beds..playing w/their toys..having dinner at our tables..all these children are w/GM or GGM..here..there and younder..amazing.

[crymeariver2006]

Welcome

If I am reading it correctly, the supposed incident with Ron was between 9:00 & 10:00 last night and Amber was booked at 8:00 this morning

I wonder if it is more than coincidental?


Welcome to my world!

What are the odds that two people mentioned by WBG in his interviews about the weekend with Misty before Haleigh went missing are simultaneously arrested?

[beachpatty]

There's another booking at 9:04Am. A Black guy with gold teeth. I won't post his booking until he proves to be related to Amber and Nay Nay's arrest. Things are starting to pop. Cobra has a full plate today, and its not at Memaws.

Where is Tiffany this am, she needs to weigh in. I miss her.

moo


same charges?

tia,
beach

[Texas48]

It'll be interesting to see if he's "thin".

:wink:

Okay, I peeked. He's not thin and the charges are not identical, although some are drug related.Too funny cry..:thumbsup:

[crymeariver2006]

Why you don't say.....:rolleyes:

Maybe all those FRIENDS OF ART & COBRA will figure things out soon. I suspect Greg won't be far behind.

So now the Crystal supporters have gone from basically labeling Ron Cummings a deadbeat dad concerning a child the paternity has yet to be made public on, to claiming he is out trying to kidnap a child with an accessory on hand. :scared: Where do you draw the line with regard to the presumption of GUILT? Is it when someone PROVES THEMSELVES NOT GUILY?

WOW....you guys never need to have any confirmation other than an ART, a COBRA or a TJ assist and the goal is met.

Unbelievable. JMO.

Just waiting for Greg for now.

Aren't you doing the same waiting for Greg to be arrested?

[crymeariver2006]

She was booked at 8am, but I don't think that tells us what time they arrested her at. I'm not sure what your jail hours are, but where I come from they only allow visits in the daytime.

I thought it was common knowledge that Amber doesn't look after her baby?...her mother or gma does. Also, do you think the CS stuff is correct?....it seems to me he is way off on that, which makes me also doubt the rest of what he says.

No, it's not common knowledge - nothing about Amber is. Unless you know her personally?

You can always disagree with Art on his blog. He welcomes all comments.

[Texas48]

how does Amber figure into Haleigh's disappearance? I mean I know who she is and all, but what part could she have played?It has been suggested..nothing of fact..that Amber could have had something to do with kidnapping Haleigh..ONLY a theory..Amber and Misty and Kristina Prevatt all run around together..all friends..also Amber and Crystal know each other and are/were friends at one time..just more tid bits and as I said NO facts.

[panache]

Yep, they'll be out by lunch time.

(Of course, the word "set up" comes to my mind.....I mean, really what are the odds that of all the people arrested in Putnam County for drugs, it's the two that are connected via WBG to Misty and the 3-day party - news of which just recently came to light?)

Taylor, (gold tooth) has posted most of his bond. Amber's *failure to appear* has now been added to her resume.

Gee, the only one without a booking record is Misty. LOL.

moo

[Texas48]

She was booked at 8am, but I don't think that tells us what time they arrested her at. I'm not sure what your jail hours are, but where I come from they only allow visits in the daytime.

I thought it was common knowledge that Amber doesn't look after her baby?...her mother or gma does. Also, do you think the CS stuff is correct?....it seems to me he is way off on that, which makes me also doubt the rest of what he says.
I thought Amber lived with her mother..?? also..I searched yesterday and I couldn't find anything on Ron paying CS to Amber..doesn't mean anything cause I could have missed it..I am good at that. lol

[crymeariver2006]

Taylor, (gold tooth) has posted most of his bond. Amber's *failure to appear* has now been added to her resume.

Gee, the only one without a booking record is Misty. LOL.

moo

Strange, ain't it?

:wink:

[panache]

I'm pulling my lazy girl chair next to yours, something going on here. :thumbup:

Yup, something is going on. Makes me wonder if someone rolled over during that big drug bust last week.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

I'm pulling my lazy girl chair next to yours, something going on here. :thumbup:

Well, timing IS everything after all!

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

Yup, something is going on. Makes me wonder if someone rolled over during that big drug bust last week.

moo

Or the "two detained for questioning" but not arrested?

[Texas48]

ah gotcha the misty connection, I can be a little slow sometimes, LOL
at least your is *sometimes* lol

[Texas48]

Taylor, (gold tooth) has posted most of his bond. Amber's *failure to appear* has now been added to her resume.

Gee, the only one without a booking record is Misty. LOL.

mooHow long before she becomes *of age*?

[panache]

It'll be interesting to see if he's "thin".

:wink:

Okay, I peeked. He's not thin and the charges are not identical, although some are drug related.

I'm reading there's a fourth booking, (male), can you see it? I'm afraid to open a link, my comp is getting antsy.

[Texas48]

Yup, something is going on. Makes me wonder if someone rolled over during that big drug bust last week.

moohad to be pan..maybe we will see LE tie alot of loose ends up.?

[panache]

How long before she becomes *of age*?

December, I think. But don't they arrest juvie's?

[panache]

That is what I have been hoping for.Amber may not be able to post bond since one of her charges is " failure to appear". Did I read somewhere that one of these two women was related to Crystal?
Maybe Ron got a call from Amber to come pick up this child??? Who knows, I just hope everyone starts rolling on each other. Still may be to late for little Haleigh.
Maybe Ron has been watching every move these women make? If he suspects they know something, I would. Wasn't it Nay Nay the women Ron didn't want Misty around.
I suspect these two were visiting someone already in jail yesterday and that someone was caught with contraband and rolled on these two. Warrants signed and a pick up ordered. That is what it sounds like to me.
This should get the news back on TV... Praying for some information on Haleigh...


I'm not sure if they were visiting jail. I heard LE pulled the car over last night.

Keep in mind, it was a late night rumor, someone was listening on a scanner.

moo

[Texas48]

That is what I have been hoping for.Amber may not be able to post bond since one of her charges is " failure to appear". Did I read somewhere that one of these two women was related to Crystal?
Maybe Ron got a call from Amber to come pick up this child??? Who knows, I just hope everyone starts rolling on each other. Still may be to late for little Haleigh.
Maybe Ron has been watching every move these women make? If he suspects they know something, I would. Wasn't it Nay Nay the women Ron didn't want Misty around.
I suspect these two were visiting someone already in jail yesterday and that someone was caught with contraband and rolled on these two. Warrants signed and a pick up ordered. That is what it sounds like to me.
This should get the news back on TV... Praying for some information on Haleigh...My memory is not so good bam..wasn't it Amber that is kin to Crystal? Gosh..I can't remember..and Yes it should be on the news so any updates/infol you can pass it along..Thanks bam.

[Texas48]

December, I think. But don't they arrest juvie's?they do..but we will never see that record. bummer.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm reading there's a fourth booking, (male), can you see it? I'm afraid to open a link, my comp is getting antsy.

Oh yes. Not a candidate for Jenny Craig, IYKWIM.

[panache]

I'm here pan. Wouldn't you know we're short handed today and I'm on the road. :cursing: Got the wireless and I'm trying to keep up.

Just read the thread and links. Holy Cow!! :scared: Could this get any more bizarre? Had a feeling something was up w/ the drug bust. Wonder if RC is still AWOL.

Re the pc...blinking lights are ok but if they go out, there's a problem. Shut down and unplug the whole shabang from the wall. Wait a few then reboot.

ttyl

There you are girlfriend. Was hoping you would stop by. I thought you might have gone to Memaws without me. :angry:

You've been following this case since day one, and i din't want you to miss what could bring some closure to where Haleigh is. Someone just as to crack, I hope, I hope.

moo

[panache]

I disagree, the 24 million dollar bust is quite a snare. Then another meth house right outside Palatka where two children was in the home. I would say they are getting the drugs off the street big time. MOO
The two escapee's are back in jail.
You go Sheriff Hardy......:thumbsup:

Yes, the two escapee's are back in jail. Unfortunately after they murdered an innocent woman. I give no thanks to Hardy. He never should have allowed those two to be cell mates. :mad:

moo

[FoxySly]

My first post here...please be gentle! I know my opinion is not the popular one!

I don't believe for a minute RC tried to do what they say. It appears to me that the girls were booked for trying to bring drugs into a jail...how could it be that Amber was also at home, with her child, who apparently she doesn't even look after? I think what has happened is Amber & Kristine were taken into custody for drugs, and this is nothing but spin. The reporter is obviously friendly with the Sheffields and that is where he is getting his info from.

There has been a lot of speculation on other forums that Amber may have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearence, and I wonder if this may have something to do with that. We also know that Amber knew Crystal S.

BTW, that tidbit re child support...as far as I'm aware, paternity has not even been established and there are certainly no orders in place for child support. IMO, the reporter ought to be more careful with his sources in the future.

I sure hope they find Haleigh soon and that she is safe and well.


ITA with all you typed.

Some love to run off with rumors that defies common sense as long as it puts Ron down.

Maybe Ron should just go on welfare or what ever it's called getting money from the state & be a stay at home Dad after all he's been through. If it's good enough for the women it should be good enough for him.

Sly

~

[Texas48]

Yes, the two escapee's are back in jail. Unfortunately after they murdered an innocent woman. I give no thanks to Hardy. He never should have allowed those two to be cell mates. :mad:

mooI'm not sure I understand how Hardy can be blamed for these two wingnuts escaping..?:confused:

[titanfan217]

Sure he can! If that's what he wants.

What better way to claim "good parent" status than to have both mothers of your children have issues with drugs, "pick up" the child for a "visit", and blindside the mothers right into family court?


Has it been proven that RC is the dad?

[panache]

Latest Update from Twitter

posted 20 min. ago.

http://twitter.com/SKY973

[Squidward]

updated info on thesky

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[titanfan217]

I just read the updated on "the sky". Sounds as if LE isn't confirming the issues with RC last night.

There is also a reference to an interview with "Nay Nay" on Art Harris. Does anyone know about when that was posted? I don't remember it.

Regarding a potential tip that someone saw Haleigh. There was a post in one of the comments late last week on AH. The only information was a license number, but no state nor any information where the vehicle was seen. I don't know if this is the same one or not. The person who supposedly saw a little girl was only vaguely aware of Haleigh so I'd say the odds were slim.

[Squidward]

At work and these sites are blocked can you update me?

sure, he just confirmed the Amber/Nay Nay arrests and said this about the incident last night.


Contact was made with Lt. Johnny Greenwood to verify a BOLO (be on the lookout) for Ronald Cummings Sr. regarding a 911 call Sunday, April 19, at about 9:20 p.m.. The call allegedly from Amber Brooks where sources claim Ron tried to use his son, Ron Jr., to lure the child of Ron and Amber to the door in order to take him.

Lt. Greenwood said he could not verify that action and told me it was the first he'd heard of it.
http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

[Squidward]

I just read the updated on "the sky". Sounds as if LE isn't confirming the issues with RC last night.

There is also a reference to an interview with "Nay Nay" on Art Harris. Does anyone know about when that was posted? I don't remember it.

Regarding a potential tip that someone saw Haleigh. There was a post in one of the comments late last week on AH. The only information was a license number, but no state nor any information where the vehicle was seen. I don't know if this is the same one or not. The person who supposedly saw a little girl was only vaguely aware of Haleigh so I'd say the odds were slim.

not sure of the date, but it was his first "Exclusive WBG Speaks out" not the video of Greg, the one that had an article, and IIRC a recorded phone conversation with Greg.

[CANDYKISSES]

Aren't you doing the same waiting for Greg to be arrested?

No, I commented from the start that Greg was really foolish if he thought Cobra and Art were his new BFF's. Even when he was indulged for a brief minute or two about looking for a way to get back in school, I saw the writing on the wall. Big difference between watching and hearing someone put their foot in their mouth and proceed to chew it up and accepting rumors coming out of twitter IMO.

Nobody could possibly be that ignorant and NOT KNOW Art and Cobra would be using it all to their advantage, whether it was to get themselves a source inside LE with the silent front or just turning it over because nothing was happening with it.

Letting someone tape you after they have more than likely incited you with rumors isn't a very smart choice IMO. So I've seen his face and heard him speak, and Greg has invited LE to arrest him whilst riding around with NayNay et al IMO.

Can you say the same for the info you are taking to the bank from TJ? The only thing I've seen TJ do was to take a tape of Cobra putting out hearsay coming from his vigil visit and alleged contact with the Cummings. :confused: jmo.

[CANDYKISSES]

wow i wonder if Amber helped kidnap Haleigh.


I'll bet AMBER is just thrilled with Kim and Crystal throwing her under the bus in their quest to get anything they can on Ron. :sneaky:

I wonder if their mention of her full name on Geraldo prompted a DNA test or questioning of paternity for Amber IF she has been getting benefits through the state?

I can see Kim getting that down and dirty with another woman while she is propping up Crystal. JMO tho. Maybe it was part of a little packet for DCF. :w00t:

These children don't belong with any of this group IMOO, NONE OF THEM. It's a disgrace and the children deserve better period.

[summer4meplz]

poor little Haleigh and little Junior.....and ron's other baby.....

I'm glad there's so much going on in this case even though the media hasn't been keeping up with it......

[summer4meplz]

ron's other baby? who is that?


I thought he had a young baby with another teenager....sorry if that was incorrect...I obviously haven't been keeping up....:blushing:

[summer4meplz]

Amber is her name and there is no proof Ron's the father. Just a lot of internet rumors about it.

thanks...I thought her name was Amber but wouldn't dare state it as fact........so there is no proof...is this the same amber in the news story? I am assuming yes...but you know what they say about that...:smile:

[FoxySly]

I thought he had a young baby with another teenager....sorry if that was incorrect...I obviously haven't been keeping up....:blushing:

You've been keeping up with rumors as there is NO PROOF YET that Amber's baby is in truth Ron's.

Sly

~

[crymeariver2006]

why am i not shocked it was a lie about Ronald. :glare:

So because he won't confirm or deny it, that means it's a lie?

Wow!

[crymeariver2006]

LE say they never even heard about it...........sounds like it never happen.

One officer does not an entire LE entity make, does it?

Greenwood says HE can't verify it and it's the first HE has heard of it.

[crymeariver2006]

You've been keeping up with rumors as there is NO PROOF YET that Amber's baby is in truth Ron's.

Sly

~

So Misty lied about that?

Noooooo, say it ain't soooooooh!

[crymeariver2006]

Yep that's her. Rons ex.....Looks like she has a serious drug problem.



MOO

She has been arrested, not convicted.

You know, kind of like Ron?

[CANDYKISSES]

Probably because the whole ~attempted kidnapping of Amber's child~ story stunk from the get-go!
IMO

ITA and will wait to see if Ron is arrested for attempted kidnapping. :unsure: JMO

[Texas48]

ITA and unnecesssary. I had a thought...do you think maybe RC thinks someone in this drug world did something to Haleigh and is just mad enough to roll on everybody? Did he have an idea about the arrest and went to pick up Jordan...Just a thought. IMOGood morning grma and bully..good to see yall here. I still believe the *drug* ppl are those that Ron thought had taken Haleigh at the first..his comments on the 911 call. and it may be very possible Ron has been working w/LE. I'm glad they are getting alot of these drugs off the streets and I hope someone*up there* is watching over all these children..

[Texas48]

wow i wonder if Amber helped kidnap Haleigh.Morning angel..
those thoughts about Amber have been out there for several weeks now..I believe it could be possible..just thoughts..no facts.

[Texas48]

Way out there now...why would you be concerned that a person involved with drugs has been arrested and if she were getting benefits from the state, paternity is usually established anyway ...wouldn't have anything to do with Crystal or KP, now you are saying that KP and Crystal made her bring contraband into a jail....unreal!Question grma..can the state..force a woman and baby and suspected father to take a dna test for proof of paternity..not just a question for grma..for anyone that does not mind questions?

[summer4meplz]

You've been keeping up with rumors as there is NO PROOF YET that Amber's baby is in truth Ron's.

Sly

~

bolded by me....is there a DNA test in the works?

[Texas48]

ron's other baby? who is that?Only MO...I don't believe this baby should have been drawn into this mess before paternity was established..even at that..it didn't have anything to do with ..Haleigh missing.

[titanfan217]

Question grma..can the state..force a woman and baby and suspected father to take a dna test for proof of paternity..not just a question for grma..for anyone that does not mind questions?

At least in Illinois, the state can order a dna test. The case I know of personally, the dad requested it even though they were married and living together when the children were born, looked & acted like him. But the mother had run her mouth in a bar. It held up child support being ordered for a couple of months.

[Texas48]

IMO, I am not sure, but in order to collect some sort of welfare for a child, the bio dads name has to be given. So the state can try to get some of its money back.
If thats not the case, and a bio dad wants in said childs life, or custody, I believe paternity has to be established.
Could be more reasons, but crs right now.
jmo
OK..what if the mother refuses to name the possible father and the state gets wind of a possible father..can the state force the mother to do dna or will they refuse her welfare unless she complies? hmmmm.

[Peaches]

When she said she was knocking another woman done to prop up Crystal...Amber obviously did this to herself...sorry nothing to do with Crystal or KP IMO


I do believe that you are incorrect with this statement.

It was Crystal and her attorney who brought up Amber's name on national tv...........saying that she had a child and Ron was the father.

Before that time, Amber was doing her best to stay out of the picture allowing those in charge to focus on finding Haleigh.

But...........that is my opinion.

Since Amber has not had a DNA test done, it has not been established that Ron is the father of this child. People think so............but, we all know that sometimes what you think and what you know are entirely different.

As always.............MOO

[Mimi428]

Thank God it turned out not to be true. LE said this morning they know NOTHING about a 911 or a BOLO for RC.

Was that the official statement from all of LE, or was that a statement from one individual? All I have read so far is that one person said he had not heard about it.

[Mimi428]

Since Amber has not had a DNA test done, it has not been established that Ron is the father of this child. People think so............but, we all know that sometimes what you think and what you know are entirely different.


<snipped>

re: your remark stating Amber has not had a DNA test done...

is that something that you think, or something that you know?

TIA

[Mimi428]

That's all it is, Mimi. One person said that's the first they'd heard about it.

Not true that it's been "proven to be a lie"

Thanks! I have been gone for days & am running back & forth today trying to catch up & I am quite a bit behind the times. Appreciate the info.

:seeya:

[Peaches]

<snipped>

re: your remark stating Amber has not had a DNA test done...

is that something that you think, or something that you know?

TIA


That is what I have read from the time I heard about Amber. Do you know differently? :shrug:


And BTW............Mimi428...............I posted ---as always MOO ---Did you miss that?:sneaky:

[Peaches]

has it been proven it happen yet?


Hello FA................good to see you! :wub:
:seeya:
Has much in this case been proven? It seems that many have Ron guilty of all sort of things................I do not believe for one minute that he hurt his daughter.



:seeya:

[Peaches]

wouldn't the question be more like can they force the alledged father to do a dna test, isn't it? what does the mama's dna have to do with it? If the mother refuses to name a father, and she may not know......ick ick ick.......I don't think they can start testing every man in the county, so I guess the answer, IMO, is no?


I really wonder what they would do if she said she had no idea who the father of her baby is.

Reminds me of CA..............not knowing or not saying.

MOO

[panache]

Have you seen this?

Cobra details the last 24 hours.

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCBR5_COBRA5_.mp3

[panache]

If you're talking about your modem, which connects you to the internet, turn it off for ten long seconds, then turn back on, Panache.

If that doesn't work, shut down computer also, and restart.

If those don't work, call your internet provider and the technical support people will talk you through any problems. You can also pm me and I'll try and help.

Because you are great and gosh darn it, people like you!


Thank you kindly seeker. Its you that inspire me. Your a great asset to this place. I always look for your posts.

[2boysMom]

http://imgsrv.thesky973.com/image/wsky/UserFiles/File/SNWCBR5_COBRA5_.mp3

Cobra's asking for donations! Run and get your credit cards! What a joke this guy is. The "BOLO" may have very well been BS, yet before substantiating the rumor, he does not hesitate to spread it.

[CANDYKISSES]

well if he IS arrested for attempted kidnapping he will be in really deep doodoo because at this point it would be the kidnapping of a child that is not proven to be related to him. Could this possibly get any more bizarre?

Well madameX, we don't know if DCF has been alerted to seek out Amber and determine paternity during this side show of the MISSING CHILD HALEIGH CUMMINGS CASE.....:sad:

Up until the Geraldo Show where HER FULL NAME was put out there by Camp Crystal, apparently there wasn't any involvement in this case regarding Amber and her child from my POV and reading from many different sources since February 10th.

Remember, last week IIRC Ron was being portrayed as the father as tho it was a fact, and chastised for not having custody or paying child support, yet I didn't think there was anything available stating he was the father....but others seemed sure....and even went so far as to propose him getting assertive and demanding a paternity test.

JMO

Now, if Amber has something to do with the case of MISSING HALEIGH CUMMINGS, by all means I hope she is checked out all the way around IMO.

IF Greg's interview with his alleged new BFF's has given Kim Picazio personal information to attack Ron Cummings with.....
(IF HE IS PROVEN TO BE THE FATHER of Amber's child), well outside of proving AMBER and UNFIT MOTHER with these new charges, I think it was pretty shoddy. I believe some of this will become clear if AMBER changes her stories about Ron too. Remember she has indicated he was verbally abusive, but nor physically abusive IIRC. I also remember reading NayNay has a child, so that child is at risk too if these current allegations are true IMO.

I'm not an advocate of throwing one woman under the bus to help save another by turning the heat up in missing persons case where abuse allegations have been sent to DCF. It's almost like entrapment.

For me, it's about the children and I don't give a fig about the parents and feeling sorry for them for poor choices they have all made, but I do feel compassion for the entire family of a missing child - HALEIGH CUMMINGS.

AGAIN, I think all of these children could be at risk with any of the parents involved in this case. JMO tho. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

I do believe that you are incorrect with this statement.

It was Crystal and her attorney who brought up Amber's name on national tv...........saying that she had a child and Ron was the father.

Before that time, Amber was doing her best to stay out of the picture allowing those in charge to focus on finding Haleigh.

But...........that is my opinion.

Since Amber has not had a DNA test done, it has not been established that Ron is the father of this child. People think so............but, we all know that sometimes what you think and what you know are entirely different.

As always.............MOO

Hey Peaches, I'm in total agreement with your recap on how Amber's full name got out there and find that disingenuous at best given this comes from women claiming Ron to be abusive, yet they would throw another woman out there IMO.

Good grief, if the whole town is fearing Ron by some accounts, then why would anyone want to further enrage him by doing something like that?:confused:

It's more from what I perceive to be a disingenuous attorney, who I believe is simply seeking the thrill of CABLE INTERVIEWS and GETTING HER NAME OUT THERE to drum up some business IMO.

:sad:

[Peaches]

Peaches, it is with great trepidation that I am going to say this, I can feel the hammer already. When my son was born, I listed his father as unknown on the birth certificate, on the advice of my lawyer. His reasoning was that as I was not going to go for child support (for reasons that are my own), if in the future I was to marry someone who wanted to adopt my son (which in fact happened), I would have to get the consent of his father. This is a lengthy procedure and would have involved searching another Continent for him. Not saying this is the case here, but there is sometimes a valid reason for not naming a father. For the record, parents names are not listed on the B/C in this country, so it is not as if my son would have to carry around a document stating his father was unknown.

TIA............I understand your reasoning and I believe that I have read here that some thought that Amber was going to marry. Therefore wanted no part of Ron in her child's life.

If that is the case, it is a shame that Crystal and her attorney announced on national tv that her child in fact belonged to Ronald and went so far as to give her last name. Such a shame since it seemed that Amber was distancing herself from this case.

Congratulation on doing what you knew was best for you and your child. You certainly will not be bashed by me. Your reasons are your own and I respect that.

:thumbsup:

[CANDYKISSES]

Cobra's asking for donations! Run and get your credit cards! What a joke this guy is. The "BOLO" may have very well been BS, yet before substantiating the rumor, he does not hesitate to spread it.

OMG, :rolleyes:can't the Haleighbug Foundation help him out? Oh this wreaks of money seeking thrill seekers almost like the storm chasers who come to town and rip off the victims of hurricanes and tornadoes IMO. barf

WHERE IS HALEIGH CUMMINGS while all these people are playing LE here?:wub:

[Peaches]

Well hello friend,.....What do you think about the latest developments in the case? I knew something smelled fishy with the whole BOLO for Ronald. You know that would have been breaking news on FOX. I have to tell you i was shocked about Ambers arrest. I think we might have a break in the case soon.


MOO


FA, I certainly hope you are correct about a break soon.

Also, I can not belive the joy some received from Ron loosing his job. He has his family to support so why in this world would anyone be happy that his employer let him go.............so sad. Although I do not know all the ins and outs but to me it seems to be a poor employer who would not understand that he was not able to work for awhile.

I know companies that allow family members to even stay at home when you even have a loved one who is not expected to live much longer.............in fact, I know a lady who stayed with her husband for over a year and her job was there for her to return.

Some people have hearts............they do not dump on you when the going gets hard and what could be harder than a missing child?


MOO

[2boysMom]

i'm kind of shocked Art hasn't jumped on the BOLO wagon & reported on it.


MOO

I have no doubt that he will.

[Mimi428]

For the record, parents names are not listed on the B/C in this country, so it is not as if my son would have to carry around a document stating his father was unknown.

Interesting that some countries have birth certificates that do not name the parents. I can't even imagine the potential legal ramifications of it.

I have no idea what the rules are in FL regarding naming or not naming the father & I sure don't know if Amber did or did not name a father on her son's birth certificate. I do know that in some states, if a mother applies for any sort of benefits, she is expected to name the father of her child(ren), so child support can be pursued - & in all but a few unusual circumstances, that seems a pretty reasonable request to me.

JMO

[2boysMom]

No ones forcing you to "run and get your credit cards" or listen to anyone that you don't trust but thanks for your opinion.

You're most welcome. :rolleyes:

[titanfan217]

wouldn't the question be more like can they force the alledged father to do a dna test, isn't it? what does the mama's dna have to do with it? If the mother refuses to name a father, and she may not know......ick ick ick.......I don't think they can start testing every man in the county, so I guess the answer, IMO, is no?

Even in trying to prove dad's dna, they have to take the mom's.

[Mimi428]

If that is the case, it is a shame that Crystal and her attorney announced on national tv that her child in fact belonged to Ronald and went so far as to give her last name.



<snipped>

I don't think there is any great horror in revealing that another young woman was involved with Ron at one time or in revealing the parentage of the baby, unless his father was someone so notorious &/or heinous that it would carry the risk of scarring the kid for life. Now if the father was someone akin to Charles Manson, Tim McVeigh or the like, that would be different. It's not as if national secrets are being divulged or homeland security is compromised by knowing Amber's name or her son's father.

JMO

[Peaches]

OMG, :rolleyes:can't the Haleighbug Foundation help him out? Oh this wreaks of money seeking thrill seekers almost like the storm chasers who come to town and rip off the victims of hurricanes and tornadoes IMO. barf

WHERE IS HALEIGH CUMMINGS while all these people are playing LE here?:wub:

Why? Why? is this man seeking money? Not for a minute would I ponder sending him anything.

The FBI and LE are capable of following this case to it's conclusion.

I certainly do not want someone who has already made up theirmind about what happened giving me the "true" picture of what really happened the night Haleigh went missing.

After listening to him on a tape, I have no respect for this man. I do not appreciate trash talk and find no reason that it was necessary.

As always MOO

[2boysMom]

No one forced me to run and get my cc, yet I did because I had never heard where you could make donations for Cobra. I think it's a great idea and one I would want to pitch in and help with. I don't understand why people get so upset with Cobra, wasn't it Teresa Neves herself who called Cobra in to come take a look at a suspicious area? TN didn't call le, she called Cobra. Wasn't Ron seen shaking Cobra's hand? In fact, I was under the impression Ron liked Cobra, until the reenactment was brought up, then Misty fell apart and demanded Ronald get away from Cobra, iirc.

The only reason to dislike Cobra is because he is close to breaking the case and some people do not want those secrets to be found out, imo.

moo

I hope Cobra does break the case. That's what everyone should want, and if he does I'll be grateful. However, I don't like what cobra did to TN in the video, nor do I like the way he presents himself. I certainly don't trust him enough to give him my money. but if you do, then I hope your money will be well spent.

[panache]

Interesting that some countries have birth certificates that do not name the parents. I can't even imagine the potential legal ramifications of it.

I have no idea what the rules are in FL regarding naming or not naming the father & I sure don't know if Amber did or did not name a father on her son's birth certificate. I do know that in some states, if a mother applies for any sort of benefits, she is expected to name the father of her child(ren), so child support can be pursued - & in all but a few unusual circumstances, that seems a pretty reasonable request to me.

JMO

Good to see you back Mimi.

Thinking back to the Casey case. No father was necessary on the BC. No doubt one of the reasons Casey never filed for child support. Amber may have done the same. The reason Jordan maybe getting CS, is I believe Amber's GM has custody. She would qualify for support I believe.

moo

[Peaches]

I definitely agree with this one. And don't forget about working moms that some companies allow for a leave of absent after birth.
jmo


Bullyjo,

Yes............some good companies give working mom's leave no matter the mean of the addition to their family - adoption or childbirth. YEA! We have come a long way!

Also, I know that some places give men these same benefits! And, we have really come a long way for this.

That family leave bill . not sure what it is called helps many people today who do not work for a company who understands when one must be out for an extended period of time.

[Mimi428]

FA, I certainly hope you are correct about a break soon.

Also, I can not belive the joy some received from Ron loosing his job. He has his family to support so why in this world would anyone be happy that his employer let him go.............so sad. Although I do not know all the ins and outs but to me it seems to be a poor employer who would not understand that he was not able to work for awhile.

I know companies that allow family members to even stay at home when you even have a loved one who is not expected to live much longer.............in fact, I know a lady who stayed with her husband for over a year and her job was there for her to return.

Some people have hearts............they do not dump on you when the going gets hard and what could be harder than a missing child?


MOO

I got the impression his employer was very understanding about why he could not work for awhile, but when Ron continued to let so much time go by without at least talk to the human resources department & working out the details I don't know what more his employer could have done. What other conclusion were they supposed to come to when a person leaves, does not come back & does not call to discuss what can be done regarding a leave of absence, other than correctly notate that the employee has abandoned his job?

JMO

[Peaches]

Thanks, Peaches, it wasn't you I was worried about. I was afraid someone might manage to make it Ron's fault:wink:


Thanks for the laugh! :thumbsup:

[Owlface]

Interesting that some countries have birth certificates that do not name the parents. I can't even imagine the potential legal ramifications of it.

I have no idea what the rules are in FL regarding naming or not naming the father & I sure don't know if Amber did or did not name a father on her son's birth certificate. I do know that in some states, if a mother applies for any sort of benefits, she is expected to name the father of her child(ren), so child support can be pursued - & in all but a few unusual circumstances, that seems a pretty reasonable request to me.

JMO

In my state it is this way too. The unusual circumstance that would qualify for a mom NOT wanting to name the father would be if the father had been physically abusive to her and she feels it would be dangerous to go after him for child support. I believe this scenario fits in with what else I suspect to be true about RC.

[Squidward]

Are they really looking for Ron? Why did Amber get arrested? TIA

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

the above link should answer your questions.

[2boysMom]

ONE LE officer was asked, he didn't deny it, just said he wasn't "aware" of it. So while it may very well be true that Ronald didn't take part in this, it also may be very well true that he did. I'll wait for more information to come out to believe that RC had nothing to do with this. It's also my belief that Ronald is his own worst enemy and right now, in my opinion, is a ticking time bomb.

Maybe RC had the "right" to take the donation jar, but imo it speaks volumes to his character and is absolutely disgusting that he would do such a thing. That's only my opinion. What's your opinion on RC walking into Crystal's tent area and taking the jar of donations? Is it justifiable in your mind? Because it makes absolutely no sense in my mind.

moo

I don't condone what he did, but I'm sure he was extremely angry about the way Crystal turned on him the way she did. And wasn't there an article a while back about how Crystal was going to use some of the donation money to "get an education"? Maybe he thought all of the money should be going to find his daughter. Maybe he felt entitled to it since Crystal owes him so much CS money. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Reading the latest. How old is the child of Ambers?

[Owlface]

IF Ron's the father i wonder if he'll get custody of the baby specially after Ambers arrest.

Obviously he didn't want custody before her arrest; what makes you think he wants custody now? Do you think they'll seek him out and offer it to him?

[2boysMom]

Hi 2boys. I could understand your way of thinking and apply that logic if RC wasn't off getting engaged at "chili's" or getting tattoo's or getting married or partying at the fair. But since we all know he has had no problem getting on with his life and spending that cash, I'd have to disagree with your theory, respectfully.

moo

I understand why you feel the way you do. Thanks so much for the respectful, non-snarky reply! :wink:

[panache]

Busy, Busy day in Patulak

I loved the comment that Obama should cancel his cabinet meeting and hop on Air Force One and straighten out Patulak.

Somebody better get a handle on what's happening down there, this incident was close to three schools.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=136234&catid=3

[Owlface]

ok i'll give you that but the LE have said over and over they are satisfied RC was at work his whole 8 hour shift. Why do some not believe the LE?

do you think RC abused his children?

8 hours? 7 pm to 3 am is 8 hours - the timeline doesn't fit with an 8 hour shift.

[Texas48]

wouldn't the question be more like can they force the alledged father to do a dna test, isn't it? what does the mama's dna have to do with it? If the mother refuses to name a father, and she may not know......ick ick ick.......I don't think they can start testing every man in the county, so I guess the answer, IMO, is no?
the reason I said the mother is..wouldn't she have to give permission to have test done on her child?

[Tracian]

So from what I have seen here, and after googling, I have not seen confirmation that Ron was arrested or had a BOLO issued for him, is that correct?

TIA

[?noanswer]

What does a "Be on Look Out (BOLO) mean? Is it similar to an Amber alert? Who is notified when a BOLO is issued - media, other LE, or is it just put out on the LE scanner. IIRC, Cobra heard it on a scanner. I think he also said he hoped it was not someone just doing it. Could anyone put a Bolo on a scanner? TIA for any answers. JMO

[RoxyWest]

Maybe there WAS a BOLO but they found him right away, he explained himself to LE's satisfaction, and thus it was not noteworthy enough to make the "news"?

[5boxersmom]

I ask earlier how old Amber's baby was? Can he even walk yet? How could JR. have lured him out of the house if he can't walk? :confused:

imo

[Texas48]

I really wonder what they would do if she said she had no idea who the father of her baby is.

Reminds me of CA..............not knowing or not saying.

MOOexactly..I didn't know if the mother could be forced into have a dna test even tho the state had wind of a *possible* father..I quess the state could refuse any further assistance but I have never heard of that..IMO Amber's baby never should have been brought into the situation...but it is what it is..now.

[?noanswer]

Maybe there WAS a BOLO but they found him right away, he explained himself to LE's satisfaction, and thus it was not noteworthy enough to make the "news"?

You may have figured out the whole thing. Either that or it was just a rumor to begin with. JMO

[panache]

Art Harris Update!! Party Girls Busted.

http://www.artharris.com/

[Squidward]

What does a "Be on Look Out (BOLO) mean? Is it similar to an Amber alert? Who is notified when a BOLO is issued - media, other LE, or is it just put out on the LE scanner. IIRC, Cobra heard it on a scanner. I think he also said he hoped it was not someone just doing it. Could anyone put a Bolo on a scanner? TIA for any answers. JMO

Not sure how it's issued, my FIL is a retired LEO I'm gonna have to call him and ask. Cobra did wonder if it was just someone(not LE) putting out a BOLO on Ron. I guess it's possible someone could have a scanner and thought it would be funny to do something like that, I just can't imagine why?

Amber and Nay Nay were arrested it just seems odd that last night news of something going on between Ron and Amber and a BOLO being issued and this morning Amber is arrested. Something did happen last night, I don't think we know the whole story, or in what way and if any Ron was involved at this point.

[?noanswer]

at work... site blocked ...what does it say

Not much of what has not already been disclosed. He did say that an LE official, Captain Dick Schauland had confirmed the BOLO. JMO

[RoxyWest]

If Amber's mother or grandmother has custody of the child, does Amber live in the same home?

Maybe LE used Ron to make sure the child was not solely in Amber's care for the pending arrest. And then, they would have to follow up by putting a BOLO out on Ron so as not to tip their hand?

If someone else already suggested this, my apologies.

[Texas48]

can't agree with you on this one...mothers get 6 weeks maternity leave. Construction companies work on a budget and need to finish a job within a certain time frame. He is probably eligible for rehire when another opening presents itself, but holding a position open for two months is extreme. Never been in his shoes though...What did other parents do in this position anybody know?What state are you speaking of grma?? My daughter resides in Jersey and works in New Your and her co. gave her 3 months and then the state gave 3 months..also I wounder if Florida has a Family emergency leave?

[titanfan217]

ok i'll give you that but the LE have said over and over they are satisfied RC was at work his whole 8 hour shift. Why do some not believe the LE?

do you think RC abused his children?



Do you have any link about LE and RC working his whole 8 hour shift? If so, they are almost 3 hours not accounted for between 3:30 p.m. and almost 3:30 a.m. and that also allows for an hour "dinner break".

[Owlface]

great question. he's almost one.

He's 20 months I understand; almost 2.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm few pages behind and haven't caught up yet but IF there really was a bolo out for Ron the media would have known about it from the get-go. Local news stations have police scanners. That's how they get to major breaking stories in their area.

But but but bookie, you know Ron or Teresa have probably taken care of the scanners in the county.....:blink:

I don't think Amber was given some kind of exception on naming the father of her child. IMO nobody here knows her current situation. All of the misinformation being passed around about Amber and her child is at an all time high here.

Last week it was treated as a fact here that there is no father on file, no support or custody arrangement, and now look at this......:scared:

It's frightening to see how the leaps are made here with NO COURT RECORD or TRANSCRIPT from a FAMILY COURT. Unbelievable IMO.

The idea of exception to paternity is foreign to me. I have personal ties to a woman who was a victim of severe domestic violence and still suffers from a head injury because of it. The perp went to jail for TEN YEARS and was released recently. He is on several birth certificates but the COURT INSURES he HAS NO ADDRESS for these women and children. IOW, they handle the catch and release of funds with him having no contact.

I am very skeptical of accepting the exceptions permitted on the paternity of a child. But those claiming so, please provide links so we can see this. JMO.

[panache]

Indeed, just before 10 p.m. Sunday night, April 19, according to a 911 call my source heard on a police scanner, Brooks’ grandmother called the Putnam County Sheriff’s dispatcher to report Cummings had pulled up outside her house in his purple Nissan Ultima and sent Haleigh’s little brother, Junior, to her door to ask for his little brother, Jordan.

RC has a purple nissan?

Its the burgandy one. Maybe to the grandma at night it looked purple.

How about Ron hitting Junior did his nose bleeds according to Amber. Doesn't that pain you to hear?

moo

[Squidward]

Art Harris Update!! Party Girls Busted.

http://www.artharris.com/

Thanks! I had just checked and he hadn't updated it yet. That was interesting, so a BOLO was issued for Ron. I wonder why he wanted the baby? What's going on down there, has everyone in town lost their minds? :confused:

[panache]

“She tells people what she thinks they want to hear,” said a lead investigator in the stalled missing child case.



http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/haleigh-cummings-case-party-girls-busted-ronald-cummings-bolo/#more-1641

WOW sounds like Amber has trouble telling the truth.

Yeah, kinda reminds me of someone else in this story.

moo

[Peaches]

Other parents actually spoke with their places of employment and also, used the help from their employers. Ronald hasn't called PDM since day one, not sure what anyone expects out of this company. I think they were extremely generous and gracious to let him go a full 2 months without hearing a word from him, ultimately they had no choice.

I do believe PDM has many more reasons for letting RC go, no other way around it, imo

moo

Grcious..................no way. I would not want to work for a company that had/has no compasion for a parent who has a missing child.

This is moo.................

[Ice Cycle]

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/4014463.php

the above link should answer your questions.

Well I have been trying to work and read up today also. I new when I saw so many here that something was up though wished it was more than what it is. Just not a real shocker that they were arrested for what it is and I doubt that this has anything to do with the case. However it did occur to me back sometime ago when they were reporting on Misty's weekend with the Greg guy that possibly he and Amber coerced together to take Haleigh out of some sort of revenge reasons against both R & M. The only good thing about that theory is that if that is true then she might still be alive if taken out of the country. Not that I am so sure R&M are not guilty of this or one them but at the least certainly think their actions have been anywhere but the right place.

[panache]

Looks like PCSD Captain Dick Schauland confirmed the reports. How about that?

Yup, and I''l take his word for it.

[Peaches]

Ron may have had the legal right to take the donation jars, but it was extremely tacky of him IMO to actually take one away from Crystal, to say the least.


Why? Do you think that Crystal has more right to the money donated? I certainly do not. She does not support either of the children....neighter Haleigh nor Ron, Jr.

Did Ron not support Haleigh? YES........he did.

It was not Crystal's money...............MOO

[5boxersmom]

Amber was running from a man with a machete? Oh man the drama down there. :scared:

imo

[titanfan217]

What state are you speaking of grma?? My daughter resides in Jersey and works in New Your and her co. gave her 3 months and then the state gave 3 months..also I wounder if Florida has a Family emergency leave?


The key is you have to ask for it and there should be something in writing.

I'd be surprised if child missing is covered in the law.

[Squidward]

What!!!! where did you hear that? I hate being at work I can't get to these sites!

Art Harris, Nay Nay tells Art this story
She also says Amber Brooks borrowed her car recently, and got it stuck in the mud, reportedly running from a man with a machete. She says Misty still had clothes in her trunk from that lost weekend, but they have since been removed.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/haleigh-cummings-case-party-girls-busted-ronald-cummings-bolo/#more-1641

[RoxyWest]

Why in the world would Law Enforcement use Ronald Cummings in any investigative work?

This assumes Law Enforcement is working with him.

I apologize for sounding rude, but that is absurd, in my opinion.



OK, I can accept absurd. :blush:

Just trying to come up with a reasonable explanation of why Ron would use that night to try to retrieve the child (if in fact he did), being the night before Amber's arrest. Probably just a coincidence.

Apology appreciated, but not necessary. :wink:

[5boxersmom]

Art Harris, Nay Nay tells Art this story

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/haleigh-cummings-case-party-girls-busted-ronald-cummings-bolo/#more-1641

Sounds like a Friday the 13th movie. :rolleyes:

imo

[crymeariver2006]

Indeed, just before 10 p.m. Sunday night, April 19, according to a 911 call my source heard on a police scanner, Brooks’ grandmother called the Putnam County Sheriff’s dispatcher to report Cummings had pulled up outside her house in his purple Nissan Ultima and sent Haleigh’s little brother, Junior, to her door to ask for his little brother, Jordan.

RC has a purple nissan?

There are multiple posts, links around here that say something about a "burgundy" car that Ron owns and drives. Might be the same one.

JMO

[titanfan217]

Why? Do you think that Crystal has more right to the money donated? I certainly do not. She does not support either of the children....neighter Haleigh nor Ron, Jr.

Did Ron not support Haleigh? YES........he did.

It was not Crystal's money...............MOO


It depends upon the person donating. If her friends collected money to help her with expenses while she was in town, then RC had no right to any of it.

If it was money specifically for Haleigh, then RC probably would have the right to it, but only to be used for Haleigh.

Don't get me started on this one. I've a real pet peeve about how some parents spend child support and/or state payments for their children.

[crymeariver2006]

In regards to Ron taking the money jar...I am not saying it was the right thing to do, but if it is true, I can see why he would have done it. If he felt that Crystal who was not the custodial parent was getting money when in fact she still owed all the back child support, I can see him thinking she had no right to it...Regardless of what she had planned to do with it or what he thought she planned to do with it. My own mother would have taken it in those circumstances. I know that without a doubt.

IF he was going to apply it to the back support owed, you might have a point. Did he?

And would your mother have applied it toward back child support, a private investigator for her missing child, or tattoos and a truck?

[panache]

And here is the rest of that paragraph.


"but a police source says Amber also praised Ronald as a fine father who did not abuse the kids in a recent interview with the task force."



So which is it, Amber? Did he smack Junior in the nose and make it bleed or was he a fine father who did not abuse his kids???

I just don't know bookie. The women in this case seem to talk out of both sides of their face. Is it fear? Could be. I've volunteered in a abused women's shelter, and one thing I have learned is on any given day, their feelings change towards the abuser. To some, believe it or not,they think the abuse is an expression of love.

moo

[Owlface]

In regards to Ron taking the money jar...I am not saying it was the right thing to do, but if it is true, I can see why he would have done it. If he felt that Crystal who was not the custodial parent was getting money when in fact she still owed all the back child support, I can see him thinking she had no right to it...Regardless of what she had planned to do with it or what he thought she planned to do with it. My own mother would have taken it in those circumstances. I know that without a doubt.

To me it's a matter of integrity. Ron going into Crystal's tent and taking that money (if it's true) shows that he has no integrity. His going to businesses around town asking for free food etc. because his child has been "kidnapped" (if it's true he's doing this) shows he has no integrity. I will believe a lot of bad things about a man who has no integrity.

I'm not sure what your point is about your mother being willing to do the same thing - perhaps you believe that since your mother would do it that makes Ron's actions above board. If that's the case, I respectfully disagree.

[Destini]

In the Art Harris article, it says that Jr. & the other guy "asked for" the baby. Does that mean they just wanted to see the baby or they were wanting to take the baby, at 10:00 at night? I guess probably no one knows, but that's curious.

Has this woman's house (Amber's mom or grandmother or whoever she is) been searched in re: Haleigh?

[panache]

In regards to Ron taking the money jar...I am not saying it was the right thing to do, but if it is true, I can see why he would have done it. If he felt that Crystal who was not the custodial parent was getting money when in fact she still owed all the back child support, I can see him thinking she had no right to it...Regardless of what she had planned to do with it or what he thought she planned to do with it. My own mother would have taken it in those circumstances. I know that without a doubt.

That money in Crystal's donation jar that Ron helped himself to was the dollars from a raffle Crystal's camp had. I can't imagine it was a great sum, but for Ron to help himself to it, imo, is just morally wrong. People bought into that raffle to help find Haleigh, and not to fund Ron.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

And here is the rest of that paragraph.


"but a police source says Amber also praised Ronald as a fine father who did not abuse the kids in a recent interview with the task force."



So which is it, Amber? Did he smack Junior in the nose and make it bleed or was he a fine father who did not abuse his kids???

Maybe when interviewed when Haleigh first disappeared, she only said that she didn't think he could be involved. Like Crystal did when she first came to town and praised both Ron and Misty.

Then as time went on.....

Just sayin'

It's pretty strange that the unamed LE sources are quoting things about Amber and Renae and what they've said, but won't say anything else about what anybody else has said.

[Owlface]

And here is the rest of that paragraph.


"but a police source says Amber also praised Ronald as a fine father who did not abuse the kids in a recent interview with the task force."



So which is it, Amber? Did he smack Junior in the nose and make it bleed or was he a fine father who did not abuse his kids???

Apparently there are many people, including people on these boards, who believe that hitting ones children does not make necessarily make them abusive parents. Perhaps Amber doesn't think she's being contradictory when she's making the claims (if she really is) that Ronald smacks Junior in one breath and that he's fine father etc. in another breath.

[crymeariver2006]

IF he was going to apply it to the back support owed, you might have a point. Did he?

And would your mother have applied it toward back child support, a private investigator for her missing child, or tattoos and a truck?


With the exception of the tattoos, YEP...LOL...My mother would have applied it to anything she saw fit. I love my Mom very much but she was very stubborn and set in her ways. If she felt or believed something, it was impossible to get her to look at things any differently.

Now with Ron and the tattoo's...weren't those donated by the tattoo guy? Didn't he already have the truck? Do we know what he used the money from the jar for?

No, we don't know what he used it for. That's why I cannot condone him taking the money in the first place - no matter who it was donated to or by whom.

If he was using it for good, I might be able to understand it, though still not agree. It just smacks of the funeral home guy telling him he couldn't take money for certain "expenses" and then him just going to take money from Crystal for those "expenses". There certainly was a fund set up for his living expense, he did not have to take money meant for Crystal's living expenses.

JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

ohhh ok thank you. I thought i had read 10 months.

Yes, you did read something that. It has been reported that the baby was "nearly a year old". Turns out that Jordan will be 2 in August.

He was born 8/07 when Amber was 18. She would have been a pregnant 17 yr old living with Ronald and taking care of his children, at that time Haleigh would have been 3 and Jr about the same age as her son is now.

[Owlface]

You must see that there really isn't a whole lot of integrity on either side of this fence here though...

I don't really disagree with you but what do you consider a lack of integrity on the Sheffield side?

[crymeariver2006]

When Ron was involved with Crystal they were both teens. They are only 2 years apart in age.

When he was involved with Amber they were both within the age limits set by the state of Florida.

Misti is the only questionable one but they are married now.

As for the abuse Crystal didn't allege any abuse until the custody hearing. Her LE father, who claimed to witness abuse, did nothing about it? Sorry but I don't buy that at all. I believe the abuse claims surfaced in her attempt to get custody of her children.

Then there's Amber. She can't make up her mind if Ron is abusive or not. It doesn't look good when the police say she tells people what they want to hear.

And then there is this....

"DFS has previously investigated Cummings and reportedly found his use of physical punishment within the acceptable bounds of parental discipline."


Ron was investigated by DCF and cleared.

I think that's from the previous DCF investigations, not the current ongoing one. And we've all said that just because some of us think hitting your children with weapons and leaving marks on them is abuse, that's not how it's defined by the State of Florida.

It wouldn't surprise me for the current investigation to have the same outcome.

[Owlface]

Spanking isn't abusive. Hitting a child and making them bleed is. So either he is or isn't abusive. She can't have it both ways.

I agree with you, Amber's statements appear contradictory. I was just trying to point out that perhaps, in Amber's own mind she wasn't being contradictory.

[Peaches]

You must see that there really isn't a whole lot of integrity on either side of this fence here though...


With this I totally agree.

BTW................can someone provide me with a link saying that Ron took money from Crysal's tent?

Or.......is this just something that might be true?

[crymeariver2006]

Thinking he may or not be involved in his daughter's disappearance isn't going to change whether he was abusive or not.

What else did Art ask that investigator about and he wouldn't discuss? I must have missed that part of the article.

No, you didn't miss that part of the article.

But even you have to admit that these LE "sources" are the most verbal they've been in quite a while about ANYBODY anywhere near associated with this case. Right?

[crymeariver2006]

I know that was from the previous investigation, that's why I said was. The point was that he had been investigated and cleared.

We already knew that weeks ago.

:confused:

[Owlface]

[QUOTE=crymeariver2006;13024766]


I realize what you are saying...I am not disagreeing with you. I just think he felt she didn't have a right to it and that is why he took it. I don't know why he took it...I don't know what he used it for...I just think I understand WHY...doesn't make it right but that is just what I think.

Obviously he felt he had more of a right to the money than Crystal did otherwise he wouldn't have taken it. He took it because he has a sense of entitlement and, frankly, it makes me want to puke. That same sense of entitlement makes him think that now he doesn't have to work for a living, that a living is owed to him.

I don't believe that this is a new feeling for him, IMHO he's always felt entitled, it's just that now, in his mind, he has a socially-legitimate reason for his sense of entitlement. This is just one of the many many reasons why he really rubs me the wrong way.

[cat3]

Amber was running from a man with a machete? Oh man the drama down there. :scared:

imo


I'm tellin' ya.The more I read the bigger my eyes got.Made me think of that movie called "Raising Arizona",maybe Misty did tell Ron to get that baby for her.Yikes.
On the other hand if Ron is paying CS wouldn't he have the right to see Jordan?
I just wish we knew what is really going on with all these players.In the AH article the title has a question mark leading me to think that it isn't confirmed,and yet later AH says it was confirmed about the BOLO.
Sounds like a rough bunch of people no matter how you look at it.
Does anyone know that Amber is really Crystal's cousin?
I still don't buy that Ron was abusive to those children,or had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance and have a wait and see attitude on that one.According to the AH article,LE has said that Amber and NayNay were forthcoming in previous interviews,so I doubt we will get any new info. from them.*sigh* IMO

[Peaches]

IIRC it came from Kim Picazio. I've never seen a link about it and I asked for one when it was first said.


Thanks, bookie!

I saw with my own eyes and head with my own ears, Crystal say one thing one night on one tv show and another the very next night with her attorney sitting right beside her.....................so, I know that Crystal does not always tell the truth.

Therefore, if Crystal told her this, I just do not believe it at this point. I would need more than their word.

This is MOPO.

[crymeariver2006]

Obviously he felt he had more of a right to the money than Crystal did otherwise he wouldn't have taken it. He took it because he has a sense of entitlement and, frankly, it makes me want to puke. That same sense of entitlement makes him think that now he doesn't have to work for a living, that a living is owed to him.

I don't believe that this is a new feeling for him, IMHO he's always felt entitled, it's just that now, in his mind, he has a socially-legitimate reason for his sense of entitlement. This is just one of the many many reasons why he really rubs me the wrong way.

I couldn't agree more. That same sense of "entitlement" is what, I believe, cost him his job.

And he took the donations from Crystal long before he was terminated.

JMO

[Ice Cycle]

I just don't know bookie. The women in this case seem to talk out of both sides of their face. Is it fear? Could be. I've volunteered in a abused women's shelter, and one thing I have learned is on any given day, their feelings change towards the abuser. To some, believe it or not,they think the abuse is an expression of love.

moo

Not that this really matter as most of this news today is just more distracting from finding Haleigh, but regarding their pictures on A.H. site, I think that Kristina looks alot like Crystal and Amber looks alot like Misty, just kinda odd. Might just be the way the pictures are taken, just a observation.

[crymeariver2006]

They haven't discussed the actual case. What they are discussing doesn't involve Haleigh's disappearance.

So you don't think they (Amber and Renae) were being "cooperative" as to Haleigh's investigation? What else would they have been described as "cooperative" in?

[Peaches]

Yeah Crystal and honesty don't go hand in hand. I wonder if DCF knows about her little habit of lying to the police?


Her attorney should. She was right there when Crystl could not keep her story straight.

Also, she knows about that car Crystal reported stolen............

Do not get me wrong, I feel for Crystal because her daughter is missing but as a mother I have no respect for her. Why would a loving parent move so far from her children?

My thought is that a parent should share in the life of their children.......and you can not do this living 2 hours away.

As usual..............MOPO

[crymeariver2006]

Thus the term Teflon Ron...wouldn't want any 17 year old related to me near him. Still don't or really hope he didn't have anything to do with Haleigh disappearing...I couldn't imagine the look of that kind of betrayal on her little face. But with all of these things coming out about him, they can't all be rumors, I didn't think anybody had that many enemies. IMO

But he said he didn't have ANY enemies.

:wink:

[Peaches]

Peaches I don't know where the link is but people have been talking about it for weeks. I think there may have been an article a while back about it. I think it was confirmed by LE...I could be wrong though.


Thanks, Pia. Bookie said that it was said by her attorney who must have gotten it from Crystal.

Do I believe it is the truth...............NO...........not me.

MOO

[crymeariver2006]

Her attorney should. She was right there when Crystl could not keep her story straight.

Also, she knows about that car Crystal reported stolen............

Do not get me wrong, I feel for Crystal because her daughter is missing but as a mother I have no respect for her. Why would a loving parent move so far from her children?

My thought is that a parent should share in the life of their children.......and you can not do this living 2 hours away.

As usual..............MOPO


My ex-husband and I lived two hours apart from each other. We had joint custody which meant a lot of driving.

I guess that means we're not loving parents.

:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

Given Amber was arrested last night, I find it hard to understand how she was also coincidentally calling 911 to report RC trying to kidnap a child she doesn't even have custody of. And the story that a 4 year old was sent to steal the baby?....they've got to be kidding!

I think if a BOLO did go out, it was because LE wanted to make sure RC knew Amber & Nay Nay had been arrested, in case the girls sought revenge against him or Misty for their arrest. There is bad blood between Misty and Amber's family (Amber's mother was previously charged with assaulting Misty). I think LE probably just wanted to make sure RC and his family were safe.


Her grandmother called 911.

Yeah, a BOLO to protect Ron from Amber and Renae! That's the ticket!

[Peaches]

Maybe a missing or abused child would convince you. My opinion.



What? I do not understand your reasoning.

I do not trust Crystal. She has been caught in many lies. Her attorney was there when she told 2 of these as did the entire nation---if you are following this case.

I do not think for a minute that Ron abused his children. Nor, do I think that he had anything to do with Haleigh being missing.

MY FIRM opinion.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Given Amber was arrested last night, I find it hard to understand how she was also coincidentally calling 911 to report RC trying to kidnap a child she doesn't even have custody of. And the story that a 4 year old was sent to steal the baby?....they've got to be kidding!

I think if a BOLO did go out, it was because LE wanted to make sure RC knew Amber & Nay Nay had been arrested, in case the girls sought revenge against him or Misty for their arrest. There is bad blood between Misty and Amber's family (Amber's mother was previously charged with assaulting Misty). I think LE probably just wanted to make sure RC and his family were safe.

Ambers grandmother called 911, not Amber. She takes care of Jordan.

[panache]

IIRC it came from Kim Picazio. I've never seen a link about it and I asked for one when it was first said.

Yes, It did come from Kim, in her exchange with the poster at WS. That being said, it can be easily corroberated, as Crystal's camp talked to LE about Ron helping himself. I doubt Kim would put herself out on a limb if it weren't true.

I just don't get why there is such denial that Ron could be a spoiled, conniving............well you can imagine the rest.

Would you want Ron with all his baggage dating your daughter? That's the gauge I am measuring him with.

moo

[Peaches]

Given Amber was arrested last night, I find it hard to understand how she was also coincidentally calling 911 to report RC trying to kidnap a child she doesn't even have custody of. And the story that a 4 year old was sent to steal the baby?....they've got to be kidding!

I think if a BOLO did go out, it was because LE wanted to make sure RC knew Amber & Nay Nay had been arrested, in case the girls sought revenge against him or Misty for their arrest. There is bad blood between Misty and Amber's family (Amber's mother was previously charged with assaulting Misty). I think LE probably just wanted to make sure RC and his family were safe.


And did I not read that Crystal's sister was arrested for beating up Amber?

What a mess................where is Haleigh?

[Peaches]

I think the reason Crystal moved back to Baker county is that she really didn't have any other place to go. Don't most women run back to Mama when they don't have anywhere else to go? I don't know why she didn't try to get things in her life together so that she could be closer (later) but I do see that is why she did it to begin with.


Pia.........she has a dad that lives in town. I know that I would never leave my children.

Children need both parents active in their lives..................moo

Not a visit 4 days a month. moo

[cat3]

My ex-husband and I lived two hours apart from each other. We had joint custody which meant a lot of driving.

I guess that means we're not loving parents.

:sad:

The thing is,crymeariver,that I don't think Crystal even kept in touch with the children by telephone.When asked during an interview with GVS,when was the last time she had spoken to Haleigh,Crystal said "two weeks ago" and said it was during her last visitation.IMO

[crymeariver2006]

:eek: Could ronald have.....gulp......lied?

Nooooooooh!

:laugh:

[AmndaRcknwth]

The thing is,crymeariver,that I don't think Crystal even kept in touch with the children by telephone.When asked during an interview with GVS,when was the last time she had spoken to Haleigh,Crystal said "two weeks ago" and said it was during her last visitation.IMO

Haleigh had a phone?

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=grma;13024889]YOu have mentioned moving so far away from her children so many times and I do find it offensive...My own daughter had to move at least 2 hours away to keep her ex from harrassing her, only to call police and he would be gone before they got there. Nothing they could do unless they caught him. Also Crystal took the kids with her and she allowed him to take them for a couple of weeks and then he files for custody...and yes you can be a part of there lives two hours away. IMO[/QUOTE

MOO is that every poster is entitled to their very own opinion.............so, I think that this mean that I, like you, am entitled to mine. :tonguewag:

AND..................MVOO is that a mother should not move away from her children. At least, not 2 hours away. There are things that happen that as a parent you should do for you child..........such as attend school functions. MOO

[Themis]

IIRC it came from Kim Picazio. I've never seen a link about it and I asked for one when it was first said.
Bookie, if you are correct in your recollection that the source was only from Kim Picazio then for me I will put it down on my growing list of unsubstantiated rumors and allegations.

If it is true that Ron went into the the Sheffield tent and physically took a donation jar with money in it then someone had to have witnessed it. Picazio would have that witness (or witnesses) on every talk show (NG, JV-M, Geraldo, etc.). That holds true whether 'LE said Ron had a right to it' or not!

I viewed lots of live video of both those tents, people were coming and going in both of them. Obviously, not all of them were 'trusted' family members. If it had more than $10 in it someone should have put it away (out of sight) for safekeeping. [JMO * Themis)

[Owlface]

Because he was "cleared" doesn't mean he isn't abusive.

My strong opinion.


Exactly. It's the same way with a criminal trial - a verdict of "not guilty" is not synonymous with "innocent".

I'm afraid that's what is going to happen this time. And, even if DCF decides that Ron was guilty of being abusive in the past that does not mean that they are going to recommend any services for the family now, and it sure as heck is not going to mean they would recommend a change in custody. They could easily decide that even if Ron was abusive in the past the likelihood of it continuing now under what they figure is scrutiny is nonexistent and make the determination to close the case without recommending any action whatsoever.

Some posters don't seem to understand that once custody is assigned it is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, if not impossible, to change custody to the other parent. Drug use, physical abuse, even murdering their other parent (think OJ) is not enough for a change in custody.

[Peaches]

Bookie, if you are correct in your recollection that the source was only from Kim Picazio then for me I will put it down on my growing list of unsubstantiated rumors and allegations.

If it is true that Ron went into the the Sheffield tent and physically took a donation jar with money in it then someone had to have witnessed it. Picazio would have that witness (or witnesses) on every talk show (NG, JV-M, Geraldo, etc.). That holds true whether 'LE said Ron had a right to it' or not!

I viewed lots of live video of both those tents, people were coming and going in both of them. Obviously, not all of them were 'trusted' family members. If it had more than $10 in it someone should have put it away (out of sight) for safekeeping. [JMO * Themis)


BRAVO...................I agree 100%:thumbsup:

[crymeariver2006]

The thing is,crymeariver,that I don't think Crystal even kept in touch with the children by telephone.When asked during an interview with GVS,when was the last time she had spoken to Haleigh,Crystal said "two weeks ago" and said it was during her last visitation.IMO

And whose number does she call to speak with a 2, 3, 4, or 5 year old child? Ron's? Misty's? Amber's? GGM Sykes? Does she contact them through osmosis? Did they have their own cell phones at that age?

Are you expecting her to do the impossible?

[cat3]

Haleigh had a phone?

I'm sure there was a phone at the Cummings residence.IMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm sure there was a phone at the Cummings residence.IMO

One in Misty's pocket and one in Ron's pocket. I doubt either would answer calls from Crystal.

[cat3]

And whose number does she call to speak with a 2, 3, 4, or 5 year old child? Ron's? Misty's? Amber's? GGM Sykes? Does she contact them through osmosis? Did they have their own cell phones at that age?

Are you expecting her to do the impossible?

Depends on how badly she would have wanted to speak to the children.My first guess would be to call the Cummings residence where Haleigh and Jr lived.IMO

[Peaches]

I guess she should have stayed so he could be knocking on her door at 10 o'clock at night. IMO


I think she should have stayed to help with the care of her children. She OWES them that. MOO

[cat3]

One in Misty's pocket and one in Ron's pocket. I doubt either would answer calls from Crystal.

Ron didn't have a landline phone? IMO

[Themis]

Not that this really matter as most of this news today is just more distracting from finding Haleigh, but regarding their pictures on A.H. site, I think that Kristina looks alot like Crystal and Amber looks alot like Misty, just kinda odd. Might just be the way the pictures are taken, just a observation.
I agree; maybe it is the hairstyles; maybe it is a generational thing; Crystal Cummings being an exception. [JMO * Themis)

[crymeariver2006]

.... So I'm sure this has already been addressed..

If the prisoner didn't 'tell' about the drugs on their person, and they are found during a search inside the detention center, they would be charged with contraband when found....

I would think/guess..... So IMO

Contraband is any number of things brought in from the outside. It's not necessarily drugs.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Depends on how badly she would have wanted to speak to the children.My first guess would be to call the Cummings residence where Haleigh and Jr lived.IMO

There was no land line in the home.

Both kids, IMO, are too young to have phones.

I'm guessing phone calls were not in the mix.

[cat3]

In that same interview she said he made it hard to have contact with them. IMO

hmmm.I missed that part.If I can find the interview I will go back and check it out,or post it here.IMO

[Peaches]

And whose number does she call to speak with a 2, 3, 4, or 5 year old child? Ron's? Misty's? Amber's? GGM Sykes? Does she contact them through osmosis? Did they have their own cell phones at that age?

Are you expecting her to do the impossible?


Cry.............even Grandparents call their young grandchildren.

Why would a mother not find a way to call her children. This is her problem to handle...............she should have made friends with all of the above in order to speak to her children.

MOO

[panache]

dating my daughter? I wouldn't even want him living in the same neighborhood, LOL

LOL.. Can you imagine the family reunions this cast could have?

[Lavinia]

:eek: Could ronald have.....gulp......lied?

You doubting Thomas, you! :punch: :lol:

[cat3]

There was no land line in the home.

Both kids, IMO, are too young to have phones.

I'm guessing phone calls were not in the mix.

First I have heard that Ron didn't have a landline phone.Do you have a link for that? IMO

[Peaches]

[QUOTE=Peaches;13024928]
so what you are saying is she should have stayed there and been harrassed constantly, would he have allowed her to have more contact then she had, doubt it. You are right to have your own opinion, but if you lived in fear of someone constantly threatening you 2 hours is not far enough. She tried to keep her children. IMO


Do you know that Ron would have done this?

She did not try very hard. When given an opportunity by the JUDGE, she said NO to her being given 10 more days for evidence.

This tells me that she did not really want these children and that she truly trusted Ron with them.

MOO

[crymeariver2006]

I really highly doubt he sent a 4 year old to her door to help steal a baby. Just because Amber says it happened, imo, doesn't mean it happened. She has some serious issues of her own from what I can see. If they believed her, don't you think they would have charged RC by now?

And again, it was Amber's grandmother who called 911 and reported it.

Why would she make up something about a four year old ringing her doorbell? Makes no sense.

Charged with what? Last I heard, it wasn't against the law to ring somebody's doorbell.

[Texas48]

In all honesty though, can you give Misty the same about the inconsistencies?
Maybe she doesn't realize what it is they think she was being inconsistent about or even that she was. I thought during the NY interview she was actually surprised when Meredith asked her about them...
I am not being rude or putting Misty down in any way..shape or form...I watched the NY interview several times and I don't think Misty knew what the word "inconsistencies" meant when Meredith asked her..

[Peaches]

I strongly disagree, if the person that donated the money WANTED it to go to Crystal then it should have stayed with Crystal. I am sure, if the person/persons wanted it to go to Ron they would have gave it to Ron.

IMO, that makes Ron a Theif, if the story is true.


I do not believe this story is true.......................MOO

[panache]

Cry.............even Grandparents call their young grandchildren.

Why would a mother not find a way to call her children. This is her problem to handle...............she should have made friends with all of the above in order to speak to her children.

MOO

In an ideal world all that happens. When your dealing with acrimony, custody, control, revenge, its impossible to keep things idyllic.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Made friends!!! She should have been as slippery as RC and shot him...IMO

You do have a way with words!

:thumbsup:

[Peaches]

He wouldn't let her help with the children but no matter any way if any judge doesn't remove Jr from his care something is seriously wrong down there. IMO


I think you are incorrect. I think the judge gave her more rights than that. moo

[Texas48]

Peaches I don't know where the link is but people have been talking about it for weeks. I think there may have been an article a while back about it. I think it was confirmed by LE...I could be wrong though.I believe you are right Pia..I read it as well and IIRC LE confirmed it..like you said..Thats not much help for you or Peaches..

[AmndaRcknwth]

Apparently there was not a phone in the Cummings residence since Misty had to "run to the bed room for her cellphone to call Ronald" when she saw Haleigh was not there.

Doesn't it appear suspicious that Ronald was at Amber's grandmother's house trying to lure the baby out at 10 PM last night and Amber is arrested this morning at 8 AM.

It appears Ronald knew an arrest was going to be made.


There is no such thing as coincidence in this mess.

[Peaches]

Made friends!!! She should have been as slippery as RC and shot him...IMO



You know what...............I remember Crystal saying that the kids loved/ liked Misty. I feel that she and Misy could have worked out phone calls..................moo

[cat3]

Apparently there was not a phone in the Cummings residence since Misty had to "run to the bed room for her cellphone to call Ronald" when she saw Haleigh was not there.

Doesn't it appear suspicious that Ronald was at Amber's grandmother's house trying to lure the baby out at 10 PM last night and Amber is arrested this morning at 8 AM.

It appears Ronald knew an arrest was going to be made.

I remember that about the cell phone,but that doesn't mean that there wasn't also a landline phone.I have both as I'm sure most people do.IMO

[Themis]

I am not being rude or putting Misty down in any way..shape or form...I watched the NY interview several times and I don't think Misty knew what the word "inconsistencies" meant when Meredith asked her..
And Meredith immediately realized that, Texas, which is why Meredith immediately followed up with an example in much simpler words. Still, Misty after a painfully long pause (and looking to Ron for help?) finally answered with 'I don't know.' [JMO * Themis]

[Owlface]

I really highly doubt he sent a 4 year old to her door to help steal a baby. Just because Amber says it happened, imo, doesn't mean it happened. She has some serious issues of her own from what I can see. If they believed her, don't you think they would have charged RC by now?

It wasn't Amber who said it, it was her mom or grandmom - whichever of them cares for Jordan.

And, even if it's true, that Ron sent Jr and then an adult to the door to see Jordan and they weren't allowed to see him, what do you think they could be charged with? Trespassing? Bad judgement?

I don't know why on earth would anyone call this attempted kidnapping, as in, if it were true why weren't they charged with...?

[crymeariver2006]

Cry.............even Grandparents call their young grandchildren.

Why would a mother not find a way to call her children. This is her problem to handle...............she should have made friends with all of the above in order to speak to her children.

MOO

Soooooo, did Ron call the children while they were at Crystal's? Did TN call them over there?

If not, why not? Wasn't he a loving father? Wasn't TN a loving grandmother?

[crymeariver2006]

bold mine

I can't wait to hear the answer to this...

Pull up a chair and wait (a long while) with the rest of us!

[titanfan217]

Her attorney should. She was right there when Crystl could not keep her story straight.

Also, she knows about that car Crystal reported stolen............

Do not get me wrong, I feel for Crystal because her daughter is missing but as a mother I have no respect for her. Why would a loving parent move so far from her children?

My thought is that a parent should share in the life of their children.......and you can not do this living 2 hours away.

As usual..............MOPO


I may be entirely wrong (not the 1st time), but I thought Crystal had originally taken the children with her and went "home to her mom". Sure wouldn't be the 1st or last time.

It was later that Ron got the children. Is she suppose to follow him? Wasn't he in Texas for awhile?

Has she been allowed to be with her son more since Haleigh has been gone while she was in Putnam County?

[5boxersmom]

And again, it was Amber's grandmother who called 911 and reported it.

Why would she make up something about a four year old ringing her doorbell? Makes no sense.

Charged with what? Last I heard, it wasn't against the law to ring somebody's doorbell.

I am confused. So is the woman who assaulted Misty? :confused: Is there a link to that? I saw someone mention it in a post.

I can't keep everyone straight.

imo