Philip Markoff "Craigs List Killer"

[onastreak]

This is the story on a Boston news channel website, but it says they don't believe the cases are related.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19205757/detail.html

BOSTON -- Police in Warwick, R.I. said they are investigating an attack on a woman who advertised online services in a hotel there as Boston police continue to search for the man who killed a masseuse in Boston's Copley Place Marriott hotel Tuesday night.

Sources said, however, that they do not believe the two cases are related.



Boston Police

Investigators are looking into reports that a 26-year-old woman from Las Vegas was tied up and a man attempted to rob her in a Holiday Inn Express hotel room near the airport in Warwick about 11 p.m. Thursday night.

They said the robber fled when the woman's husband arrived. He told them he chased the man for a short time before losing him and calling police. No one was seriously hurt.

More details at url.

[n/t]

Craigslist killer may have struck again

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1166270

[aproudmom]

Craigslist killer may have struck again

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1166270

omg I had not heard of this until a few minutes ago..they had a briefing on CNN live stream

[aproudmom]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_17_Slain_beauty__doting_sis__a_mystery_to_ pals/
Julissa Brisman Slain beauty, doting sis, a mystery to pals

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_17_‘Numerous__tips_on_Craigslist__killer_p robed/
omg this is sad hope they get this guy real fast..seems they have enough video of him if it is indeed the person..

‘Numerous’ tips on Craigslist killer probed

[moonlite]

Craigslist killer may have struck again

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1166270

Greetings'
N/T'

Are they thinking this guy could be a serial killer? Yikes' Craig's list, is sure getting scary.

Moonlite

[aproudmom]

Is Julissa Brisman's Killer Finding Victims on Craigslist?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7358206&page=1

[MoonFlwr]

Hope they catch this nut soon!

From the shots of him in the hotels, someone HAS to recognize this guy!
Wouldn't you think?

Yes, I would think so! There is such clear footage of him!

[aproudmom]

Hope they catch this nut soon!

From the shots of him in the hotels, someone HAS to recognize this guy!
Wouldn't you think?

ITA there is more than enough video that someone surely can see this is someone they know..lets just pray no one would hide him or not report him...and goodness please to these women be careful who you meet up with..there are way to many nuts out there..

[n/t]

Greetings'
N/T'

Are they thinking this guy could be a serial killer? Yikes' Craig's list, is sure getting scary.

Moonlite

It sure sounds like it to me moonlite. This would be 3rd. one so far and who knows how many more he's done this to.

I agree with those who said if the guy in the stillshots of him in the hotel lobby, his face is recognizable so someone knows who he is. Hopefully, they'll come forward and reveal his identity.

[n/t]

This person makes a good point. He's labelled the "Craigslist killer" but who knows where else he seeks certain types of ads so one should not think because they haven't placed an ad on Craigslist, that they're safe.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4007

[n/t]

Killer in frenzy for drugs, pro says

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_18_Killer_in_frenzy_for_drugs__pro_says/srvc=home&position=recent

[moonlite]

Killer in frenzy for drugs, pro says

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_18_Killer_in_frenzy_for_drugs__pro_says/srvc=home&position=recent

Greetings'
N/T'

So it does sound like the killer motive is drugs? The profiler, sure seems to think that. I sure hope someone does turn the man in to police. I mean his picture is out there now' hopefully it is just a matter of time. I hope he doesn't hurt any more people.

Moonlite

[Adalena935]

Megyn Kelly on Fox News yesterday morning said Craig's List is a hotbed for hookers. Talk about risky lifestyle, meeting someone alone like this. yikes

This is some of the more recent and unrelated murders where victims linked up with killers. You can bet this is going on nationwide and we just haven't heard of all of them yet. I don't mean this guy in particular, but other crimes; robberies, rapes and probably murders.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_19_Caught_up_in_a_violent_web/


Caught up in a violent Web

[Adalena935]

As one of the news stories said, hotel personel need to be on the lookout for this guy also. Hope they catch him soon before he has a chance to murder someone else. He's brazen.

With these photos out there all over the news someone has got to know who this person is.

[Sara6000]

Just heard about this on the local news:

http://www.wbz.com/-Craigslist--suspect-in-custody-in-Boston/4236344

[aproudmom]

Just heard about this on the local news:

http://www.wbz.com/-Craigslist--suspect-in-custody-in-Boston/4236344

great news..:thumbup:

[n/t]

I'm so glad he was arrested. :thumbup:

This is a really bizarre case. It's almost as if he wanted to be captured. Is he that stupid not to know cameras were everywhere in the hotel? Leaving evidence behind? Texting on his Iphone or whatever the heck he was doing?

I bet he'll plead not guilty. :rolleyes:

[Sara6000]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/_survillance_ph.html

"Boston police tonight arrested Philip Markoff, a 22-year-old Boston University medical student, in the murder of 26-year-old Julissa Brisman at the Copley Marriott last week and an attack on a second woman at a Back Bay hotel.

Markhoff, who allegedly contacted the women through Craigslist ads, had been the target of a national manhunt since police last week released hotel security footage of a fair-haired young men believed to be responsible for Brisman's murder......"

Rest in Peace, Julissa :rose:

[barskin&co.]

Good lord, he was premed at BU. He wanted to be a healer? And he is engaged to be married.



http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/20/Arrest-made-in-connection-with/1240277125.html

[Adalena935]

If a person pleads guilty the are sentenced by the judge. He's not getting out of jail thru a possible trial anyway.

I don't think he'll plead guilty. A lawyer would advise him to plead not guilty and hopefully get a lesser sentence. I'm really glad they caught him. 22 yrs old, pre med. weirdo. Lucky fiance that she found out now rather than later. I'll bet there's other victims too. No telling how long he's been doing this.

[MoonFlwr]

Seems like a kind of self-styled 'American Psycho'!

Glad they arrested him before someone else got hurt!

[n/t]

Good lord, he was premed at BU. He wanted to be a healer? And he is engaged to be married.



http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/20/Arrest-made-in-connection-with/1240277125.html

Wow. Just when I thought I seen and heard it all. Again we're left asking why?

He seemed to have everything going for him.

[MoonFlwr]

Oh wow. I would have to bet that this guy used the hotel search to book his guests for the wedding as a ruse to check out tons of these hotels. Here is their wedding site and it really goes into details about each of the hotels they were looking at which just gave me dead chills to read about.

http://www.megan-philip.com/

:eek:

Oh man...did you see some of the Guest Book entries!?

[n/t]

Oh man...did you see some of the Guest Book entries!?

Poor Megan. I hope she removes her wedding planner from that site. I just can't imagine what she must be going through. His family and friends too. They must be in shock. :sad:

I'm glad he got caught so he can't hurt anyone anymore. Megan prayers going out to you. Stay strong :rose:

[aproudmom]

Accused Craigslist killer's fiancee: He's innocent
http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/21/Accused-Craigslist-killers/1240314755.html

In an e-mail to ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday, Megan McAllister says Philip Markoff "could not hurt a fly." She says he's "a beautiful person inside and out."
McAllister says she and Markoff expect to be married in August "and share a wonderful, meaningful life together


guess that is how she is feeling

[aproudmom]

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/21/Craigslist-Killer-to-be/1240310960.html

Craigslist Killer" to be arraigned in Boston, MA
The so-called "Craigslist Killer" will be arraigned Tuesday in a Boston court-room.
video

Accused Craigslist killer's fiancee: He's innocent
The fiancee of a Boston medical school student accused of fatally shooting a woman

[aproudmom]

Oh wow. I would have to bet that this guy used the hotel search to book his guests for the wedding as a ruse to check out tons of these hotels. Here is their wedding site and it really goes into details about each of the hotels they were looking at which just gave me dead chills to read about.

http://www.megan-philip.com/

:eek:

darn cant get the link to work maybe just to busy right now..I will just keep trying..thanks bugout for the link..

[aproudmom]

I agree they should be held accountable if they have been in talks for 2yrs..I think this site is a little dirty..JMO..sounds like this could have been stopped this is not a leg business to advertise to meet in hotels it is down right dangerous..might as well call it pimplist...jmo and we all have one

http://www.necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009/03/05/Craigslist-sued-over/1236281568.html

March 5, 2009
Craigslist sued over prostitution ads
video
this goes into alot about this site..and the problems with it..

[aproudmom]

yep sure looks like him..:mad:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/21/bu_student_charged_in_hotel_killing/

The second-year medical student was charged with fatally shooting 26-year-old Julissa Brisman April 14 at the Marriott Copley Hotel and with the armed robbery and kidnapping of a prostitute who was tied up at the Westin Copley in the Back Bay on April 10.

Brisman had advertised her masseuse service on Craigslist; the second victim was a prostitute who advertised through the online classified website.

[onastreak]

I don't have a link because it was just a local news update between the programming change at 10:00 AM.
The anchor mentioned the arraignment for Philip will be today, and stated the motive is believed to be robbery to pay off gambling debts.

More details will be provided on the news at noon.

[airportwoman]

Good lord, he was premed at BU. He wanted to be a healer? And he is engaged to be married.



http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/20/Arrest-made-in-connection-with/1240277125.html

I work at one of the hospitals where Michael Swango harmed people; he is not believed, however, to have killed anyone here.

From what I have seen, the Craig's List dating service is mainly composed of married men who want other men to give them oral sex. :thumbdown:

[Adalena935]

http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2009/4/21/83551/4374/hotels/Boston_Hotel_Craigslist_Killer_Arrested

Wow, they have his fingerprints in addition to electronic evidence and the surveillance photos. He's definitely busted. I can't believe his fiance is sticking by him. She's got to be in shock. The poor girl. Hope she dumps him quick.

[Jpanda]

Ugh...

Why can't all murdering scum bags actually LOOK like murdering scum bags so we could tell them apart from everyone else?

My heart goes out to his fiancee. I hope that if he is truly guilty of this, that she will be able to accept that and move on, without ever talking to him again.

I'm anxious for more info to come out about this guy....you would think there would have been SOME signs...

jmo

[Jpanda]

http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2009/4/21/83551/4374/hotels/Boston_Hotel_Craigslist_Killer_Arrested

Wow, they have his fingerprints in addition to electronic evidence and the surveillance photos. He's definitely busted. I can't believe his fiance is sticking by him. She's got to be in shock. The poor girl. Hope she dumps him quick.

Wow thanks for posting this! If this is true and they really do have his fingerprints, then there's pretty much no denying that he did this.

This whole thing is just so hard to believe....he looks so casual and nonchalant in those photos, typing away on his phone. So weird.

jmo

[Adalena935]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/20/2009-04-20_massachussetts_police_arrest_suspect_in_craigsl ist_killer_case.html

I guess this is their engagement photo. I'd say she's one lucky girl to find this horror out about him before the wedding. What on earth would cause a young man with so much, do such terrible things. The son of a dentist. He obviously wasn't desperate for money. Maybe he just robbed them because he could. I think the primary motive was sexual predator for it's own sake. You never know who people are. I hope his fiance doesn't stick by him through what's got to be a hideous trial. How could she?

Police say they think he's preyed on sex workers before and are begging other victims to come forward. I too don't think he just recently began his reign of terror. This is just the first time he's been caught.

[Adalena935]

Wow thanks for posting this! If this is true and they really do have his fingerprints, then there's pretty much no denying that he did this.

This whole thing is just so hard to believe....he looks so casual and nonchalant in those photos, typing away on his phone. So weird.

jmo

Yes it does seem as if he was hoping to be caught. Someone else said that. I don't get it. Young person with such a great future and he's nothing but a common low life monster between his ears. Sickening. His parents must be so shocked and heartbroken. I just don't know what goes so terribly wrong. He's waved his right to live among reasonable people. ETA: I'm VERY glad they caught him and ended his reign of terror. Says they trailed him for days. Someone must've tipped them off. He has no previous record for them to have matched his fingerprints to. Horray for LE.

[Jpanda]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/20/2009-04-20_massachussetts_police_arrest_suspect_in_craigsl ist_killer_case.html

I guess this is their engagement photo. I'd say she's one lucky girl to find this horror out about him before the wedding. What on earth would cause a young man with so much, do such terrible things. The son of a dentist. He obviously wasn't desperate for money. Maybe he just robbed them because he could. I think the primary motive was sexual predator for it's own sake. You never know who people are. I hope his fiance doesn't stick by him through what's got to be a hideous trial. How could she?

Police say they think he's preyed on sex workers before and are begging other victims to come forward. I too don't think he just recently began his reign of terror. This is just the first time he's been caught.

That engagement photo blows my mind. They look so happy, and he looks so normal (I know, I know, Ted Bundy looked "so normal" too).

Steve Huff is posting about this story too.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/04/boston_police_have_craigslist.php

jmo

[Adalena935]

I know some people are quiet by nature but I never trusted people who won't talk. You can't know what they're thinking. This guy's former neighbors said he'd say hello when spoken to, but there was something not right about him. That he had a creep factor to him.

He's rotten to the core and young women advertising should take heed. Not blaming the victims but why would they put themselves at risk is beyond me. They make themselves easy prey for all the evil that lurks in society.

[Adalena935]

It's not Craigslist's fault I'm a masseuse in San Diego and I get a lot of business from them and the guy was targeting ads in the therapeutic section not the erotic section. This is my massage site so I don't get any nasty remarks labeling me a call girl I'm a certified massage therapist http://www.masseuseinsandiego.com

I don't go to hotels I only have clients come to my place which is a very busy business building and for my safety I check out all male clients that visit me and I make them call me from their work or listed home address so I always know who is coming to me and I give that info to my husband so If anything was to happen to me then the police will know who to go after. I do this because of all the stories I read about victims and just doing it to be careful. I just wish more of these girls would do that then maybe they would be safer.

I would never blame you or any victims of this guy's crimes. I have friends who are legitimate masseuse's. One has her own place in a business district and another works in a chiropractor's office. It *is* a legit profession.

Just be careful for yourself and don't be alone. I do think meeting strangers in a hotel as these young women victims did is a very bad idea.

[Amy S.]

I am SO glad that they caught this guy. Just think, if he would have become a doctor, he would have had access to many women.

I feel so sorry for his finance', her family and also for his family. This has to be their worst nightmare.

Hopefully, his family can talk him into pleading guilty, like Mark Hacking, and the trial can go quickly. The BTK killer also pled guilty. Both of those cases left their own families just devastated.

[kelloggirl]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/20/2009-04-20_massachussetts_police_arrest_suspect_in_craigsl ist_killer_case.html

I guess this is their engagement photo. I'd say she's one lucky girl to find this horror out about him before the wedding. What on earth would cause a young man with so much, do such terrible things. The son of a dentist. He obviously wasn't desperate for money. Maybe he just robbed them because he could. I think the primary motive was sexual predator for it's own sake. You never know who people are.

I agree that I don't think robbery was the primary or only, motivation. Or if he did rob them, he felt that they deserved it. His choice of victims perhaps indicates that he was targeting women that he perceived as "loose" and that he doesn't like those women. Several serial killers target prostitutes for that reason. He definitely sounds like a sociopath as well.

I do feel for his fiancee though, what a total and utter shock. Of course, she doesn't believe it now. However, I think she will have to realize it given all the forensic evidence they seem to have.

Oh, edited to add, when will we (as a society) get over the shock of "he seemed nice" or "he was normal" appearance/demeanor of killers/predators? SO many killers are normal people, the guy next door, the church leader, the well-respected doctor. BTK, Ted Bundy, etc. No one truly knows anyone else. Of course killers are good at hiding their secret evil hearts. They don't go around with a butcher knife dripping blood and looking like Quasimodo.

[Jpanda]

I was in the shock of my life when I had a male friend that I thought I knew. He was a good friend for 3 yrs but he had a dark side that he hid from all of my friends. He now sits on death row for the murder and rape of his roomate. I felt sick for months after I read what he did because he was a friend and I trusted him. And he even had a crush on me at one point but I never had feelings for him. On time he asked me if he could stay with me for a while because he was moving and needed a place to stay. I lied and said no my sister was staying with me which wasn't true I just didn't feel comfortable him staying with me knowing he liked me and at the time I was dating someone and I would be weird having him stay at my place when my b/f was over. I can only imagine what he would have done to me if I let him stay with me and tried to make a move on me:scared:

Here is the story about what he did

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20030224-1339-parker.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20020708-9999_1m8parker.html

Oh my goodness!!!!! You poor thing! Thank GOD you didn't let him stay over....that article just leaves me speechless. I have no idea what I would do if someone I know turned out to be a cold-blooded killer.

jmo

[n/t]

I am SO glad that they caught this guy. Just think, if he would have become a doctor, he would have had access to many women.

I feel so sorry for his finance', her family and also for his family. This has to be their worst nightmare.

Hopefully, his family can talk him into pleading guilty, like Mark Hacking, and the trial can go quickly. The BTK killer also pled guilty. Both of those cases left their own families just devastated.


Don't premed students in the USA have to undergo a psych exam? My son is in premed and he had to. I'm in Canada.

I agree. Scary thought if this guy ended up becoming a doctor.:scared:

[amb40]

I know some people are quiet by nature but I never trusted people who won't talk. You can't know what they're thinking. This guy's former neighbors said he'd say hello when spoken to, but there was something not right about him. That he had a creep factor to him.

He's rotten to the core and young women advertising should take heed. Not blaming the victims but why would they put themselves at risk is beyond me. They make themselves easy prey for all the evil that lurks in society.

Hi Adalena!! Long time no see!!! ITA with you!!
In medical school but no common sense!! :scared:I think maybe he wanted to get caught?

[Jpanda]

In this article, it also states that guns and plastic zip-ties were found in Markoff's apartment....yikes.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19238905/detail.html

Sorry if that's been posted, that's the first time I've seen that...

jmo

[n/t]

darn cant get the link to work maybe just to busy right now..I will just keep trying..thanks bugout for the link..


I think they removed it.

[amb40]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/19239830/index.html
LIVE COVERAGE soon for Markoff (to be arraigned)....on Boston 5.

[n/t]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/19239830/index.html
LIVE COVERAGE soon for Markoff (to be arraigned)....on Boston 5.


Thanks. Do you know approx what time?

[amb40]

Its on now!

[kelloggirl]

Craig's List Killer Was a 'Great Guy' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30321664/)

From the article:
"Pat Brown, a professional profiler, also spoke with Lauer and suggested that police may discover that Markoff is a misogynist. “We might find out that there are some other elements of power-control against women, such as date rape,” she said.

Kehoe said that as he thought back on the two years during which he was close friends with Markoff, he realized that his friend did not pursue relationships with women as other college men do.

“One of the things that kind of struck me about him was that he was, for all intents and purposes, a guy’s guy. I rarely saw him out with women,” Kehoe said. “One of the normal things people do in college is find someone of the opposite sex to connect with. That was not something he wanted to do.”

Kehoe said when he saw images of the suspect in the attacks taken by hotel security cameras, there was no doubt in his mind that Markoff was the man pictured."

I don't think there's much doubt that they have the right guy. And Pat Brown seems to be thinking along the same lines as I was. There's something more here than simple robbery.

[amb40]

mARKOFF is blinking alot...................................sitting there,cold and still.:angry:

[n/t]

Its on now!

I watched it but have no sound at work. What were the charges? TIA

[n/t]

mARKOFF is blinking alot...................................sitting there,cold and still.:angry:

Yup, he just stared straight ahead. He didn't look nervous at all!

[Marcia3]

Craig's List Killer Was a 'Great Guy' (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30321664/)

From the article:
"Pat Brown, a professional profiler, also spoke with Lauer and suggested that police may discover that Markoff is a misogynist. “We might find out that there are some other elements of power-control against women, such as date rape,” she said.

Kehoe said that as he thought back on the two years during which he was close friends with Markoff, he realized that his friend did not pursue relationships with women as other college men do.

“One of the things that kind of struck me about him was that he was, for all intents and purposes, a guy’s guy. I rarely saw him out with women,” Kehoe said. “One of the normal things people do in college is find someone of the opposite sex to connect with. That was not something he wanted to do.”

Kehoe said when he saw images of the suspect in the attacks taken by hotel security cameras, there was no doubt in his mind that Markoff was the man pictured."

I don't think there's much doubt that they have the right guy. And Pat Brown seems to be thinking along the same lines as I was. There's something more here than simple robbery.

Thanks for that article, very interesting. ITA, it was not just robbery, there was another motive, maybe buried even to the perp himself.

[kelloggirl]

I missed the beginning as well and had a hard time hearing but I think murder, kidnapping, robbery. One million dollar bond I think.

Here's a good discussion of him/sociopaths in general from a professor. He makes it very easy to understand:

Criminologist Jack Levin Discusses Craigslist Case (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/19239830/index.html)

In case the video doesn't start, just click on the video named in the link above.

[amb40]

I watched it but have no sound at work. What were the charges? TIA


I could barely hear what the judge /prosecutor was saying.

Bail was denied.
I could not even hear when they were going to reconvene.

The family of Julia Brisman was in the courtroom.

Kellogg- I heard that too-something about posting 1 mil. for bail but was denied.

[amb40]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19238905/detail.html

here he is in the courtroom.

[Jpanda]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19238905/detail.html

here he is in the courtroom.

He looks pretty calm.

If I were accused of something I didn't do as he claims with his "not guilty" plea, I would be screaming and crying about my innocence. I never understand how these people always look so cold and calm at their court hearings...I would be anything but.

jmo

[Jpanda]

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/43349232.html


From the article:
"Prosecutors say they found a semiautomatic weapon at his home, as well as ammunition and materials exactly like those used in an attack on another masseuse in Boston."

Sheesh...for a med student, he isn't too bright is he?

jmo

[barskin&co.]

Well, the best thing you can say about this guy is that as a predator, he was an extremely inept one. He practically left a trail of breadcrumbs from the crime scene to himself, it seems.

[Debb]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19238905/detail.html

here he is in the courtroom.

Do you think he wanted to get caught? For him to parade around in front of the camera with his Blackberry, he was asking to be identified. Is there anyone who doesn't know that video cameras tape 24 seven, almost every public place now?

[amb40]

Hi Barskin!! Very true.....Maybe he wanted to be caught?:confused:

[kelloggirl]

Do you think he wanted to get caught? For him to parade around in front of the camera with his Blackberry, he was asking to be identified. Is there anyone who doesn't know that video cameras tape 24 seven, almost every public place now?

Nah, these sociopaths are all the same. Arrogant and believe they'll never be caught. He probably believed since he was a med student, that he was waaaaaaaaay smarter than any cop. Fake email to correspond with his victims and that's it. I don't think it would occur to me that hotel lobbies have surveillance, but he didn't even try to use a different/prepaid cellphone? Stupid, and arrogant. He probably believed police would never suspect a clean-cut college boy like him.

Thanks for the clarification on the denial of bond. I think that's best. I think he'd run, and he'd probably have help doing so.

[n/t]

Well, the best thing you can say about this guy is that as a predator, he was an extremely inept one. He practically left a trail of breadcrumbs from the crime scene to himself, it seems.

Too weird. That's one of the most puzzling part. He hid nothing. :confused:

[Amy S.]

Gee, what is a misogynist? I will have to look it up.

Is his hair shorter now than in the videos? Why wouldn't he disguise his appearance when committing a crime?

He reminds me of Jeffery Dahlmer.

[n/t]

Gee, what is a misogynist? I will have to look it up.

Is his hair shorter now than in the videos? Why wouldn't he disguise his appearance when committing a crime?

He reminds me of Jeffery Dahlmer.

Misogyny is hatred (or contempt) of women or girls. If you look it up in the Urban Dictionary...it'll tell you in detail.

[Marcia3]

Gee, what is a misogynist? I will have to look it up.

Is his hair shorter now than in the videos? Why wouldn't he disguise his appearance when committing a crime?

He reminds me of Jeffery Dahlmer.

A misogynist is someone who doesn't like people period, but women in particular.

I don't know about his haircut, but I agree with kelloggirl...he's probably arrogant and thought himself so much smarter than LE. He wouldn't have to worry about getting caught since he could always be one step ahead of them. Makes me wonder what he's done that he actually got away with...

[Clearintent]

Nah, these sociopaths are all the same. Arrogant and believe they'll never be caught. He probably believed since he was a med student, that he was waaaaaaaaay smarter than any cop. Fake email to correspond with his victims and that's it. I don't think it would occur to me that hotel lobbies have surveillance, but he didn't even try to use a different/prepaid cellphone? Stupid, and arrogant. He probably believed police would never suspect a clean-cut college boy like him.

Thanks for the clarification on the denial of bond. I think that's best. I think he'd run, and he'd probably have help doing so.

I agree with your assessment of him as thinking he was smarter than the cops. When I saw the evidence with the video of him tapping away on some hand held device I thought immediately this guy will be caught in record time. I heard the wife to be, still says he couldn't have done this and she thinks he is innocent.

[KittyMom]

I missed the beginning as well and had a hard time hearing but I think murder, kidnapping, robbery. One million dollar bond I think.

Here's a good discussion of him/sociopaths in general from a professor. He makes it very easy to understand:

Criminologist Jack Levin Discusses Craigslist Case (http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/19239830/index.html)

In case the video doesn't start, just click on the video named in the link above.

This video mentions gambling debt as a potential trigger.

[n/t]

Do we know anything about his parents? They must be well off.

[RoxyWest]

Someone asked if he wanted to get caught, and Pat Brown thinks he's a misogynist (sp?).

Looking for motive, I have to say the first thing I thought of was he wanted to get out of the wedding.

Remember the RunAway Bride?

I know it seems farfetched and desperate, but stranger things have happened.

[n/t]

Someone asked if he wanted to get caught, and Pat Brown thinks he's a misogynist (sp?).

Looking for motive, I have to say the first thing I thought of was he wanted to get out of the wedding.

Remember the RunAway Bride?

I know it seems farfetched and desperate, but stranger things have happened.

This guy didn't "run away" per se.

My first thought was drugs. He needed the cash to pay off his drug addiction...probably some expensive stuff like cocaine.

If it was gambling, I'm sure he would've asked mommy and daddy to bail him out. Not so sure they would be too forgiving if it was drugs. KWIM?

[KittyMom]

If there are other victims and he's been doing this for a while, why did it take so long (and the murder of a young woman) for LE to figure out that one guy was responsible? I just don't understand why he was so sloppy.

[RoxyWest]

This guy didn't "run away" per se.

My first thought was drugs. He needed the cash to pay off his drug addiction...probably some expensive stuff like cocaine.

If it was gambling, I'm sure he would've asked mommy and daddy to bail him out. Not so sure they would be too forgiving if it was drugs. KWIM?

He didn't run away, but he'll likely be going away. I know it doesn't make much sense, but nothing about the case makes much sense.

First of all, he didn't kill the first victim--he was apparently confident that she wouldn't report the incident and ID him by tracking their communication.

So why did he kill the second victim?

And then why push your luck and go for a third victim?

I don't get it.

Whatever his motive, he apparently was desperate or couldn't help himself.

Desperation does seem to speak to drugs.

[onastreak]

If there are other victims and he's been doing this for a while, why did it take so long (and the murder of a young woman) for LE to figure out that one guy was responsible? I just don't understand why he was so sloppy.

Kitty, assuming there were other victims, the reason it took so long for him to be caught was probably because the victims didn't report the crimes. Most of the reporters and officials have stated that because these women were potentially engaged in illegal activities themselves they would not be apt to report being robbed.
If I recall correctly, even the first known victim, who was tied up and robbed prior to JuLissa's murder didn't come forward until after the murder.
Hopefully if there are other victims they will feel safe in coming forward now. The more charges against him the better to get him sent away for life.

[Marcia3]

If there are other victims and he's been doing this for a while, why did it take so long (and the murder of a young woman) for LE to figure out that one guy was responsible? I just don't understand why he was so sloppy.

Sadly, I think he may have picked his victims smartly. IMO he believed they either would not report the robbery, or that if they did, the crimes would be of a low priority given the circumstances. It appears that he was correct.

But with a woman dead at the hands of this criminal, the crimes were bumped up in priority.

[barskin&co.]

Do you think he wanted to get caught? For him to parade around in front of the camera with his Blackberry, he was asking to be identified. Is there anyone who doesn't know that video cameras tape 24 seven, almost every public place now?

I don't think he wanted to get caught. I think he was stupid...and very arrogant. He's probably gotten away with this stuff before, because it wasn't reported. He probably thought, "they're just hookers; who'll care about them?" I'm glad to say that we did.

He was texting on his Blackberry after the crime. I wonder if he was sending a message to his fiancee, "Hi, honey. I just had to run an errand and pick up some cash. C U soon!."

[kelloggirl]

Sadly, I think he may have picked his victims smartly. IMO he believed they either would not report the robbery, or that if they did, the crimes would be of a low priority given the circumstances. It appears that he was correct.

But with a woman dead at the hands of this criminal, the crimes were bumped up in priority.

Exactly. I don't believe police actually think he intended to kill Julissa, but that he did because she fought him off and fought hard. It was this crime that raised the profile of the others or caused them to report. But his blithely nonchalant attitude after Julissa's death leads me to believe he perhaps would've escalated to killing at some point regardless.

[penguin01]

But now I'll bet there will be more victims coming forward. Hopefully Megan will catch on soon so she can heal and move on with her life. Right now she has to play the loyal fiancee till it becomes just too clear he really did do this stuff.
She will realize how lucky she is their relationship didn't get all the way to marriage. Can you just imagine how hard it is going to be for her to trust ever again? Hope she works thru that.

[Amy S.]

The fiance is probably going to have a lot of bills from a canceled wedding. I didn't get a chance to see the site before it was taken down. But, she would already have her dress.

She better check and see if the ring is real.

Was this guy really enrolled in med school or was it a Mark Hacking type lie?

For what it is worth, I was told that this perp's dad is a dentist.

[RoxyWest]

I still don't understand why he killed victim #2. Why didn't he just run and then stroll off. Why would she be more inclined to report than the previous victim?

Panic? But then of course, he was prepared with a gun so maybe he was prepared for that eventuality.

Or I suppose he might have equated a "fighter" with a "reporter."

As to previous victims, I believe they said he just opened the email account that he used. That's not to say there weren't other email accounts along the way.

[n/t]

Police Say Accused Craigslist Killer Owed Gambling Debts
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7387628&page=1



Well...there goes my theory about drugs. It sounds like gambling debts may have been the motive afterall.

I guess gambling is just as addictive as drugs.

[n/t]

I still don't understand why he killed victim #2. Why didn't he just run and then stroll off. Why would she be more inclined to report than the previous victim?

Panic? But then of course, he was prepared with a gun so maybe he was prepared for that eventuality.

Or I suppose he might have equated a "fighter" with a "reporter."

As to previous victims, I believe they said he just opened the email account that he used. That's not to say there weren't other email accounts along the way.


All we can do is speculate but my guess would be perhaps she either put up a good fight and he shot her OR she saw his identity...perhaps from his cellphone or driver's license??

[n/t]

From the link posted above.

"Friends said they didn't even know he and McAllister were engaged. Though they agreed they seemed like a nice normal couple, his friends said they thought the two were simply dating."


What do you all make of this? I thought that was odd that his friends didn't know he was getting married in August.

[Jpanda]

Police Say Accused Craigslist Killer Owed Gambling Debts
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7387628&page=1



Well...there goes my theory about drugs. It sounds like gambling debts may have been the motive afterall.

I guess gambling is just as addictive as drugs.


Wow, n/t. They even traced the Craigslist emails back to his Blackberry. Sounds like they have the right guy to me.

I'm not sure I understand the fiancee's email to GMA - what does she mean that a police officer in Boston sold them a false story?? That makes no sense. I realize she is in denial and my heart goes out to her, but I certainly hope she won't stand by her man if it is proven that he's a killer.

I bet we'll hear from more women he attacked in the next few days.

jmo

[Jpanda]

From the link posted above.

"Friends said they didn't even know he and McAllister were engaged. Though they agreed they seemed like a nice normal couple, his friends said they thought the two were simply dating."


What do you all make of this? I thought that was odd that his friends didn't know he was getting married in August.

That is very odd! But I guess it shows that if he can hide an engagement, he can definitely keep a secret, dark life without anyone knowing.

jmo

[n/t]

The article says the bond is only $250,000. Is it a misprint? I thought it was a million. :confused:

[n/t]

Wow, n/t. They even traced the Craigslist emails back to his Blackberry. Sounds like they have the right guy to me.

I'm not sure I understand the fiancee's email to GMA - what does she mean that a police officer in Boston sold them a false story?? That makes no sense. I realize she is in denial and my heart goes out to her, but I certainly hope she won't stand by her man if it is proven that he's a killer.

I bet we'll hear from more women he attacked in the next few days.

jmo


This guy is toast! Pleading not guilty is a joke!

[Jpanda]

The article says the bond is only $250,000. Is it a misprint? I thought it was a million. :confused:

I saw that too and it has to be a misprint. I thought there was no bond. :confused:

[penguin01]

The fiance is probably going to have a lot of bills from a canceled wedding. I didn't get a chance to see the site before it was taken down. But, she would already have her dress.

She better check and see if the ring is real.

Was this guy really enrolled in med school or was it a Mark Hacking type lie?

For what it is worth, I was told that this perp's dad is a dentist.
Cancelling the wedding and paying for the dress are the very least of her problems, don't you think? I wonder how long it will take for her to realize that he really did do it. I don't understand "friends" saying they didn't know about the engagement: the couple had a website about it. Sounds like some acquaintances claiming to be friends. Yes he was enrolled in school.

[MoonFlwr]

Looks can be deceiving look at Laci's and Scott Peterson's pics they looked like a happy couple too.

Yes!
Appearance and reality!

[MoonFlwr]

From the link posted above.

"Friends said they didn't even know he and McAllister were engaged. Though they agreed they seemed like a nice normal couple, his friends said they thought the two were simply dating."


What do you all make of this? I thought that was odd that his friends didn't know he was getting married in August.

Well, it certainly looked like no secret on their website!

The history of how they met, when all the pre-wedding events would be, which hotel they'd be using, when the wedding rehearsals would be...invites to their friends even to choose a hotel to spend the wedding weekend in!

[Keno]

What is up with this guys friend, who was on Nancy Grace who was babbling on and on when Nancy started to yell at him? That guy was nutty in my humble opinion. He’s being interviewed by Larry King as well. I wanted to reach through my TV and grab the guy -

[Jester]

http://www.wktv.com/news/local/43349232.html


From the article:
"Prosecutors say they found a semiautomatic weapon at his home, as well as ammunition and materials exactly like those used in an attack on another masseuse in Boston."

Sheesh...for a med student, he isn't too bright is he?

jmo

He probably overlooked the possibility that police could tie his blackberry use to several locations as a first clue (I'm surprised), and assumed that he appeared as an upstanding guy that would never be suspected for robbing hard-working girls he arranged to meet over the internet.

[Jester]

Do you think he wanted to get caught? For him to parade around in front of the camera with his Blackberry, he was asking to be identified. Is there anyone who doesn't know that video cameras tape 24 seven, almost every public place now?

I think he is arrogant, and believes himself above suspicion.

[Jester]

Nah, these sociopaths are all the same. Arrogant and believe they'll never be caught. He probably believed since he was a med student, that he was waaaaaaaaay smarter than any cop. Fake email to correspond with his victims and that's it. I don't think it would occur to me that hotel lobbies have surveillance, but he didn't even try to use a different/prepaid cellphone? Stupid, and arrogant. He probably believed police would never suspect a clean-cut college boy like him.

Thanks for the clarification on the denial of bond. I think that's best. I think he'd run, and he'd probably have help doing so.

I agree in part. Arrogant yes, but not smarter than the cops ... rather ... better than everyone else. I think he presumed that everyone else is part of the little people; people that will never be as good as he is, and who should never challenge him for what he does.

That they would never suspect a clean cut med student ... totally agree.

[Jester]

If there are other victims and he's been doing this for a while, why did it take so long (and the murder of a young woman) for LE to figure out that one guy was responsible? I just don't understand why he was so sloppy.

Maybe the shooting was an accident in a struggle. One article did say that a survivor did everything he asked, no struggle. Previous assaults were probably put down to petty theft of a woman that put herself in a dumb situation through dubious internet connections. Police probably had not even connected the dots that there were several similar assaults. If there hadn't been a murder, he could probably continue doing what he was doing without police paying much attention to the complaints.

[Jester]

Sadly, I think he may have picked his victims smartly. IMO he believed they either would not report the robbery, or that if they did, the crimes would be of a low priority given the circumstances. It appears that he was correct.

But with a woman dead at the hands of this criminal, the crimes were bumped up in priority.

I agree. I think that during the struggle he thought it was him or her. If she was struggling, she'd probably report it and pursue it. She could identify him ... accident, deliberate intent to try to get away with it ... hard to say.

[dref99]

A misogynist is someone who doesn't like people period, but women in particular.

I don't know about his haircut, but I agree with kelloggirl...he's probably arrogant and thought himself so much smarter than LE. He wouldn't have to worry about getting caught since he could always be one step ahead of them. Makes me wonder what he's done that he actually got away with...

From what I have read - he wanted/needed cash - and selected these folks because they would be "easy" targets (physically) & if they worked on an hourly basis would probably have money on them from prior assignments. I think the main motive was theft not sexual.

Given the use of plastic today - most folks do not carry large quantities of cash. I haven't checked - but all these appointments were in the evening I assume - does anyone know what time?

jmo

[Keno]

The guy looks arrogant - I think he really thought he would or could get away with the murders.

[Jester]

From the link posted above.

"Friends said they didn't even know he and McAllister were engaged. Though they agreed they seemed like a nice normal couple, his friends said they thought the two were simply dating."


What do you all make of this? I thought that was odd that his friends didn't know he was getting married in August.

Or that the 5 or 6 best men were her brothers plus a couple of other guys without pictures and her bridesmaids were her sister's in law and one or two friends. The flower and ring children were related to her. Maybe his fiance was pushing for a marriage after first meeting in 2003, and she was planning a wedding and marriage suitable for the wife of a doctor. He wasn't a doctor, he was a poor student. The guest list included a $150 sugar dish. This guy was robbing vulnerable women, and he's about to marry someone with a very expensive idea about her lifestyle after marriage. He probably agreed to the idea of marriage after 6 years of dating, but was in way over his head once his future bride got the plans going.

[Jester]

That is very odd! But I guess it shows that if he can hide an engagement, he can definitely keep a secret, dark life without anyone knowing.

jmo

Compartmentalized life.

[kelloggirl]

What is up with this guys friend, who was on Nancy Grace who was babbling on and on when Nancy started to yell at him? That guy was nutty in my humble opinion. He’s being interviewed by Larry King as well. I wanted to reach through my TV and grab the guy -

That was beyond bizarre! Why did he go off on a lecture about violence against women when Nancy asked him about gambling debts? Nancy smacked him down right quick though. Weird!

Jester, I gotta say your post read to me a little too much like blaming his fiancee for this jerk's actions...seems a bit unfair.

[Keno]

That was beyond bizarre! Why did he go off on a lecture about violence against women when Nancy asked him about gambling debts? Nancy smacked him down right quick though. Weird!

Jester, I gotta say your post read to me a little too much like blaming his fiancee for this jerk's actions...seems a bit unfair.


Kellog, very bizarre - She asked him a direct question about gambling and the guy went totally off on violence against women etc. The guy was strange -

[Jester]

That was beyond bizarre! Why did he go off on a lecture about violence against women when Nancy asked him about gambling debts? Nancy smacked him down right quick though. Weird!

Jester, I gotta say your post read to me a little too much like blaming his fiancee for this jerk's actions...seems a bit unfair.

I'm not blaming her, I'm saying that what she thought, and what he thought, were diametrically opposed. That screwed things up. He felt pressured to have more money than he could imagine, and didn't want to disappoint. Before he knew it, everything was off-side, and he was preying on vulnerable, internet women to steal money for his future wife's expected lifestyle ... while she asked people to spend $150 on a sugar dish for her parlor wedding gift. I think that she thought she was marrying a doctor, while he was nothing more than a struggling med student - 6 years after they first met while volunteering in the emergency ward at the hospital. Anyone know what she does now? Somehow, I doubt she is a doctor, or a medical student.

I doubt massage therapists at hotel bookings carry much money, so he probably had to rob a lot of women to put together any money. Was there a second suspected cause for this? Aside from the pending marriage, is there any substance to the drugs/gambling scenario?

Diametrically opposed ... a couple that was not connecting on any level.

[Jester]

How about that rapid blinking?! It was like Neil Entwhistle all over again.
He is quite large too; standing next to the LE in that court room it was the first thing I noticed about him. A woman wouldn't have a chance against someone of his size. And he sure did capitalize on that didn't he?
Note to GF: He is a PREDATOR. Get that through your head.
Better to find this out now, than later, 10 yrs down the road, countless crimes against countless women later.
Her attitude really pissed me off.

I followed the Entwistle trial. I missed the court appearance today ... he's 6'3".

No notes to the fiance ... their wedding site was inundated last night with two types of comments: one telling her to hang in, and the other sarcastic remarks.

What was her attitude? I saw one picture of her in the courthouse with dark hair, unlike the blond wedding site photos.

[MoonFlwr]

I followed the Entwistle trial. I missed the court appearance today ... he's 6'3".

No notes to the fiance ... their wedding site was inundated last night with two types of comments: one telling her to hang in, and the other sarcastic remarks.

What was her attitude? I saw one picture of her in the courthouse with dark hair, unlike the blond wedding site photos.

Does anyone have a link to other pictures of her (I've seen the website one)...or video footage?

TIA :)

[Jester]

"The Boston Globe states that the suspect is a Boston University med student named Philip Markoff, age 22."

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:TJLv9lIHwU8J:www.truecrimereport.co m/2009/04/boston_police_have_craigslist.php+GuestBook+%22htt p+www+megan+philip+com%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

How does a 22 year old become a second year medical student? Where I come from, a potential medical student first completes a four year degree in biology or associated subject. Counting backwards, that would mean he finished his undergraduate degree when he was 20, and that he completed high school when he was 16 ... or ... he completed his undergraduate degree in 3 years and finished high school when he was 17. When is his birthday?

[Jester]

Does anyone have a link to other pictures of her (I've seen the website one)...or video footage?

TIA :)

The only pictures I've seen after the fact:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/image/19240159/detail.html

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/image/19240321/detail.html

[MoonFlwr]

The only pictures I've seen after the fact:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/image/19240159/detail.html

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/image/19240321/detail.html

Thank you! :cool:

I had not seen those.

[Jester]

From what I have read - he wanted/needed cash - and selected these folks because they would be "easy" targets (physically) & if they worked on an hourly basis would probably have money on them from prior assignments. I think the main motive was theft not sexual.

Given the use of plastic today - most folks do not carry large quantities of cash. I haven't checked - but all these appointments were in the evening I assume - does anyone know what time?

jmo

Real massage therapists don't take hotel clients after 10. The hotel calls to say someone booked a massage, the concierge takes them to the room, they do the massage, and the concierge collects them at the end of the booked massage. Any reputable masseuse would think twice about booking a hotel room for business with payment on promise. There doesn't seem to be a record of Philip Markoff booking the rooms ... so the girls were booking the rooms only on a promise?

That's what I initially thought too - that no woman would carry $800 cash with her, regardless of her profession ... but that's what it says ... $800 out of her wallet.

"Prosecutors claim he stole $800 out of the woman's wallet before he bound her, duct-taped her mouth shut and then used plastic flexi-cuffs to tie her to a doorknob."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7387628&page=1

[Jester]

That's the girlfriend? She doesn't look anything like the attractive blonde on the website.


imo

Is that the maid of honor?

[Jester]

Thank you! :cool:

I had not seen those.

His photo is correct ... not sure about hers ... let me check.

Scroll to the bottom of this page ... http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/19240698/detail.html ... that is the photo I thought was the fiance.

Oh my goodness ... I've made a huge mistake ... that's the victim's family.

[Jester]

"Part of his ability to commit these crimes with moral impunity is the nature of the victims. Criminologist Jamie Fox of Northwestern University believes that some poeple find it simply easier to prey on people they believe are beneath them, women who work alone in hotels with men that they meet on Craigslist."

"These were sex workers, masseuses and exotic dancers and to the perpetrator they just aren't the same level as the rest os us. They are appropriate victims, worthy victims."

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/21/Report-Markoff-gambled-after/1240363132.html


Thanks (can't get volume) ... they were beneath him, and so he thought he was above reproach.

The story of Jack the Ripper comes to mind.

[Jester]

ITA about gambling and addiction but I don't buy it as a sole motive for the crimes.

I think there's also a "women" factor here. LE found guns and plastic handcuffs in his apartment. If someone needs money this is a very strange plan to devise. I think the guy will have an interesting psych profile. I'd like to know his history with women. :glare:


IMO

Would you go so far as to agree that there is a misogynist factor, or is he a garden variety sociopath who was caught before he murdered his wife for the insurance money.

[doradoll]

I'm not blaming her, I'm saying that what she thought, and what he thought, were diametrically opposed. That screwed things up. He felt pressured to have more money than he could imagine, and didn't want to disappoint. Before he knew it, everything was off-side, and he was preying on vulnerable, internet women to steal money for his future wife's expected lifestyle ... while she asked people to spend $150 on a sugar dish for her parlor wedding gift. I think that she thought she was marrying a doctor, while he was nothing more than a struggling med student - 6 years after they first met while volunteering in the emergency ward at the hospital. Anyone know what she does now? Somehow, I doubt she is a doctor, or a medical student.

I doubt massage therapists at hotel bookings carry much money, so he probably had to rob a lot of women to put together any money. Was there a second suspected cause for this? Aside from the pending marriage, is there any substance to the drugs/gambling scenario?

Diametrically opposed ... a couple that was not connecting on any level.

she is a med student also
they met when she was a senior and he a sophmore in college
his father is a dentist
his mother is a prominent educator
I don't think he was a struggling student
IMO

[Topher]

Aside from his IP address, a gun yet to tested, duck tape found at his home, and the grainy images from the hotel, nobody has mentioned fingerprints or DNA at the crime scenes. I would assume that he was not wearing gloves, which would have scared off both victims. The second victim struggled with him, hopefully getting some epithelials or hairs. If he wasn't wearing gloves there should be fingerprints on the victims' duck tape, or at least the tape can be traced to the same lot as the tape found at his home. But, if the ballastics match his gun, then the case probably won't even go to trial, with him taking a plea.

If there is DNA and/or fingerprints at both crime scenes, the case should be a slam dunk. But, of course there's always the chance that his attorney might try a creative defense, like an existing mental health problem. Also, I haven't read anything about the first victim, who is alive, making a positive identification of him as the perpetrator. Nor, have I read anything about L.E. finding the easily distguishable clothing he's wearing in the hotel tapes, at his home. Those are easy to answer questions that I would have asked, yet no else seems to have asked them. It's eerie that his fiancée would use the Norman Bates line "He would not even hurt a fly." If his IP address checks out to the email sent to both victims, and it's proven that he was at the hotels at the time the crimes were committed, and victim 1 positively identifies him, and his fiancée doesn't walk away, she needs professional help...

[Jester]

Part of me wondered, who exactly really wrote that website about the wedding. There were too many pleas IMO for calling them for hotel arrangements. That sent up a HUGE red flag for me and that was when the copy and paste option came into play for me. Nothing new there.

If we find out that no one knew there was a wedding, maybe he really was using that as a way to get into many of these hotels, and scope them out ahead of time. Floor plans, room plans, Lobby's etc.
It was the first thing I thought of and it really bugged me!

I agree don't know where CNN found that guy but he was WEIRD!
it was almost like a poser got on who was pretending to be an expert.

How can she deny that the information led right back to his address his home and his computer?!

I suspect he set up the website. It took at least 24 hours to shut it down. If she knew the password, she would have shut it down as soon as his picture was all over the news. No one with any control over the site would have allowed it to stand while anonymous comments poured in throughout the night.

I read the note about the cost of rooms ... but if they could find 10 other people to book ocean front rooms the deal would change from 3 nights stay at $250 a night to $175 and they would only have to stay one night. It sounded a bit desperate to me.

Interesting thought ... that he used his fiance's fantasies about a wedding with $150 sugar dishes to learn more about his hunting ground.

Is the fiance still living in a fantasy? Does she still think she's marrying a doctor ... when no one but her own family is involved in the wedding?

[Jester]

she is a med student also
they met when she was a senior and he a sophmore in college
his father is a dentist
his mother is a prominent educator
I don't think he was a struggling student
IMO

Oh no ... thank you for bringing me up to speed.

If they're both medical students, almost married, why don't they have friends in common that know they are getting married?

And what about her parents?

If he's in second year of medical school at the age of 22, how old is she and what year of medical school is she in? What are their first degrees in?

[Jester]

I think there's a misogynist factor. Power and control over women.


moo

He has nerd written all over him. Could he have had a bad temper at home, with his mom, that led him to believe women; especially women willing to meet over the internet, were subhuman?

[Jester]

Yes. His mother is not an educator. She works as a gift store clerk in a casino.

He also has a former step-father and a half-sister so it appears that his mother has been married a few times.


http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x50624523/Reports-Craigslist-Killer-grew-up-in-Sherrill

So his mother is a kindergarten craft helper and gift shop assistant. It's a bit of a stretch to say prominent educator, but kindergarten counts.

What a complicated family his mother weaved ... ex step fathers and ex step siblings ... grade 1 teacher and classmates vouching for him?

This quote: ”very well-mannered ... high strung ...very opinionated and argumentative person ...“introvert” ... said people used to make fun of him during his childhood years.” jumps out for some reason. Well mannered, but internalizing everything far too long.

[Jester]

"opinionated and argumentative" sounds like someone that looked down on others.

[Jester]

Aside from his IP address, a gun yet to tested, duck tape found at his home, and the grainy images from the hotel, nobody has mentioned fingerprints or DNA at the crime scenes. I would assume that he was not wearing gloves, which would have scared off both victims. The second victim struggled with him, hopefully getting some epithelials or hairs. If he wasn't wearing gloves there should be fingerprints on the victims' duck tape, or at least the tape can be traced to the same lot as the tape found at his home. But, if the ballastics match his gun, then the case probably won't even go to trial, with him taking a plea.

If there is DNA and/or fingerprints at both crime scenes, the case should be a slam dunk. But, of course there's always the chance that his attorney might try a creative defense, like an existing mental health problem. Also, I haven't read anything about the first victim, who is alive, making a positive identification of him as the perpetrator. Nor, have I read anything about L.E. finding the easily distguishable clothing he's wearing in the hotel tapes, at his home. Those are easy to answer questions that I would have asked, yet no else seems to have asked them. It's eerie that his fiancée would use the Norman Bates line "He would not even hurt a fly." If his IP address checks out to the email sent to both victims, and it's proven that he was at the hotels at the time the crimes were committed, and victim 1 positively identifies him, and his fiancée doesn't walk away, she needs professional help...

Yes, if all that is true, related clothing are found, positive identifications are made, and the defense isn't creative, it looks like the guy has been caught. Yes, if the fiance is still desperately hanging on to the "wife of a doctor" image, she needs help. She needs to let go of the $150 sugar dishes.

[MoonFlwr]

Another photo of Megan and Philip together....on this page.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517275,00.html

[Jester]

Another photo of Megan and Philip together....on this page.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517275,00.html

Thanks for the link ... that looks more like the photo on her wedding site. They both look happy. If he felt that it was okay to murder when he needed money, his wife was on a short timeline ... I think. Thankfully she is safe, thankfully JuLissa Brisman fought back ... tragically it cost her life.

What a creep.

[amb40]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/craigslist_suspect_was_drawn_to_easy_prey_da_says/
more from Boston dot com......about him.....


I heard fingerprints were found also *not in this article* but somewhere else...........

Hopefully his fiancee will begin to see what a monster he was..I wonder if deep down she really knew that he wasn't all he was cracked up to be........

I think gambling may have been a motive too but not the main one....He just had deep seated psychological issues and that is why---I think too, he probably didn't want to get married either-------with his narcissistic attitude and all..............

[n/t]

Internet was alleged 'Craigslist Killer' Philip Markoff's domain - and undoing

The "Craigslist Killer" was a high-tech BlackBerry addict who stalked his victims in cyberspace - and in the end, that's where cops took him down.

"We received forensic evidence, not only from the crime scenes, but also from electronic and Internet communications," said Suffolk County, Mass., Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Hickman.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_internet_craigslist_killers_ugly_domain.html

[n/t]

This link gives some info on him. He graduated from highschool in 2004 and earned a biology degree from SUNY Albany four years later.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_smart_cleancut_kid_markoff_creepy_vibe.html

[n/t]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN transcript

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517387,00.html

Wow..I had no idea he shot the victim 3 times. :(

[amb40]

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN transcript

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517387,00.html

Wow..I had no idea he shot the victim 3 times. :(

Yes, and he bashed her head in too they said!! What a nutcase. Does seem like open and shut case!!! Pretty boy won' get off too easy now, will he???

I read where the Grandfather said his grandson did not do this whatsoever. They have the wrong man he had said in the article in Boston dot com.... He is in denial too!! Sad. I didn't see the family in the courtroom either!

[doradoll]

Are you sure about his mother? I read that she worked in a casino.

imo


I'm so sorry. I heard that in the first few releases on the day he was arrested. It might have been from one of the kids that came forward, I don't remember, though.

It is his stepmom who is the educator.
Grandpa an attorney.
Either way, I was commenting on the previous posters idea that his fiance's rich taste and getting to marry a doctor might have feuled his need to keep up etc
We will see what type of attorney this family hires.

[doradoll]

http://www.emsc.nysed.gov/ciai/mst/NYEclipse/ECLIPSEBig4Teams.htm

oops, forgot to add my link

I am new at this, hope I do it right.

She is the director of curriculum and staff for the district.

[n/t]

Yes, and he bashed her head in too they said!! What a nutcase. Does seem like open and shut case!!! Pretty boy won' get off too easy now, will he???

I read where the Grandfather said his grandson did not do this whatsoever. They have the wrong man he had said in the article in Boston dot com.... He is in denial too!! Sad. I didn't see the family in the courtroom either!

They're all going to get a reality check when the overwhelming evidence points to him. I feel sorry for them. What a nightmare.

[Jester]

This link gives some info on him. He graduated from highschool in 2004 and earned a biology degree from SUNY Albany four years later.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_smart_cleancut_kid_markoff_creepy_vibe.html

Thanks. That would mean that he was finishing his first year of medical school, and should have been in the midsts of final exams right now.

[KittyMom]

Another photo of Megan and Philip together....on this page.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517275,00.html

Looking at the hotel photo (the third pic) it would appear his hair is shorter. Maybe he was trying to change his looks. I guess he was always wearing the jacket so as to have some place to put his "tools".

[Jester]

Looking at the hotel photo (the third pic) it would appear his hair is shorter. Maybe he was trying to change his looks. I guess he was always wearing the jacket so as to have some place to put his "tools".

I tried a couple of links posted earlier up the page, and they no longer work. He must have a lawyer that is silencing everything.

[cg007]

I tried a couple of links posted earlier up the page, and they no longer work. He must have a lawyer that is silencing everything.


I have also noticed that not many people are blogging about this case. I wonder what's up with that?

[Amy S.]

Massages around here host $60.00 - $100.00 an hour. I couldn't pay for a motel room, if I only had one massage scheduled. I know at the salons that I go to, the manager/owner is very careful about the clients. THe rooms are all so close to together that the therapist is fairly safe.

I can't see using a motel room - or anyone going to one, either.

You could set men up for robbery that way, too.

I, too, was amazed that one of the women had $800.00. If she was "a working girl", I would think someone would have picked up the money from her.

I am wondering, what second year med student has time for anything but class and sleeping? This character seemed to be all over the place. I would like to see his attendance records and grades.

My nephew that is pre-med, doesn't have time to even eat, some days.

[Jester]

Massages around here host $60.00 - $100.00 an hour. I couldn't pay for a motel room, if I only had one massage scheduled. I know at the salons that I go to, the manager/owner is very careful about the clients. THe rooms are all so close to together that the therapist is fairly safe.

I can't see using a motel room - or anyone going to one, either.

You could set men up for robbery that way, too.

I, too, was amazed that one of the women had $800.00. If she was "a working girl", I would think someone would have picked up the money from her.

I am wondering, what second year med student has time for anything but class and sleeping? This character seemed to be all over the place. I would like to see his attendance records and grades.

My nephew that is pre-med, doesn't have time to even eat, some days.

High end hotels offer massage services. They have an agency contracted to send in massage therapists when a guest requests one. I'm surprised that a massage therapist would book a hotel room for giving massages. Maybe her massages were $800, or $400.

[Jester]

Comments from his lab partner ... she thought he had problems.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97NGCH00&show_article=1&catnum=0

[Ralar]

Philip Markoff, the accused murderer now known as the "Craigslist Killer," appeared to be collecting women's panties, which investigators believe were "souvenirs" from his alleged victims, two law enforcement sources told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7398011&page=1

I wonder if he really was collecting trophies or if the panties belong to his fiancee, with whom he shared the apartment.

[KittyMom]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7398011&page=1


Police Sources Say Philip Markoff Collecting Souveniers from Alleged Victims; May Be More Victims

The panties, found during a search of Markoff's house, are one of the reasons investigators believe there could be more victims who have not yet come forward, law enforcement sources said. The underwear was hidden in Markoff's house and was marked and bagged by police as potential evidence in the case, sources said.

[penguin01]

It may be that other women have contacted LE and they are keeping the information private until they check out the information. (DNA on the panties?) The family and his fiancee also need time to process the information about the evidence LE says they already have. There is a lot of it to deal with.
They need try to figure out what the heck is wrong with this guy... and what the warning signs might have been that they must have misinterpreted. So sad!
I hope the fiancee finally gets really angry and dumps him and moves on - but after 3 years together I can understand the natural first instinct is to stick by him. She has yet to begin to grieve.

[KittyMom]

http://www.wickedlocal.com/quincy/news/police_and_fire/x297233789/The-boy-next-door-Allegations-stun-Philip-Markoff-s-Quincy-neighbors

The boy next door: Allegations stun Philip Markoff’s Quincy neighbors


Mike Dye, 27, said he used to hang out with Markoff but hadn’t seen his next-door neighbor for at least three weeks, which he thought was “kind of weird.”

[Jester]

It looks like he finished high school in 2004, finished a biology degree in 2007, and was in his second year of medical school. It's crazy that he would win at gambling, and then set up another woman through craigslist to rob. One article I read said he set up the date after midnight. What did his girlfriend think he was doing? I wonder if he enjoyed robbing women, because he didn't need to rob someone after winning $5300 gambling.

[Kip]

http://www.wickedlocal.com/quincy/news/police_and_fire/x297233789/The-boy-next-door-Allegations-stun-Philip-Markoff-s-Quincy-neighbors


“Obviously it makes you wonder,” said one of Markoff’s next-door neighbors, who would only give his first name, Carlton. “He was a pretty regular guy. If this is something he could do, can you really trust anybody?”

That issue of trust will affect a lot of people who knew him. We all like to think we're good judges of character, but when you're hit with something like that, it just knocks the wind out of you. I knew someone (more than an acquaintance, less than a good friend) who hired a hit man to kill her husband (the hit man was successful). I was stunned and for a long time afterwards treated everyone as a suspicious character. I can only imagine how large the impact must be on this guy's fiance or someone like the BTK killer's wife.

[barskin&co.]

Philip Markoff, the accused murderer now known as the "Craigslist Killer," appeared to be collecting women's panties, which investigators believe were "souvenirs" from his alleged victims, two law enforcement sources told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7398011&page=1

I wonder if he really was collecting trophies or if the panties belong to his fiancee, with whom he shared the apartment.

The reports say they were "hidden," so I suspect that they are not his fiancee's.

[lunchlady]

This case reminds me of Ted Bundy. Ted worked at a suicide prevention hotline, had girlfriends and a fiancee at some point, and went to law school. Lots of people were incredulous when he was arrested too.

Lots of people seem to be able to treat their special people well, but then do horrible things to other people. I think the ability to keep these two parts of the same person separate is called compartmentalization and its partly motivated by the need to keep out of trouble. Its a common plot device in shows like the Sopranos, especially when a relationship moves from one compartment to the other.

[barskin&co.]

They're all going to get a reality check when the overwhelming evidence points to him. I feel sorry for them. What a nightmare.

Yeah, let's see. They have

A) A gun which may be the murder weapon
B) an ID belonging o one of the victims
C) pictures of him on surveillance video
D) a computer trail that leads right back to him
E) his fingerprints at the crime scene
and...oh, yeah...

F) two living victims who can ID him.

His fiancee and family are going to have to be in a pathological state of denial.

[Dtviewer3]

Yeah, let's see. They have

A) A gun which may be the murder weapon
B) an ID belonging o one of the victims
C) pictures of him on surveillance video
D) a computer trail that leads right back to him
E) his fingerprints at the crime scene
and...oh, yeah...

F) two living victims who can ID him.

His fiancee and family are going to have to be in a pathological state of denial.

Now add the panties and the restraints found at the house.

Looking pretty solid so far.

[barskin&co.]

Oy veh. The words of a woman living in a state of sweet oblivion:


Yesterday morning, Markoff's fiancee defended him in an e-mail message she sent to ABC News, according to the website of "Good Morning America."

"Unfortunately, you were given wrong information, as was the public," McAllister wrote. "All I have to say to you is Philip is a beautiful person inside and out and could not hurt a fly! A police officer in Boston (or many) is trying to make big bucks by selling this false story to the TV stations. What else is new?? Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. We expect to marry in August and share a wonderful, meaningful life together."


http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/craigslist_suspect_was_drawn_to_easy_prey_da_says/?page=3

Good Lord. Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for this woman. But she has got to explain to herself why the "beautiful person" who "couldn't hurt a fly" had a semi-automatic weapon in his posession. Or why the police would want to "sell a false story" about this particular guy. Or why the other victims ID him as their attacker. Well, I hope she doesn't mind a relationship with a man who is sentenced to a "wonderful, meaningful life" in prison without the possibility of parole..

[amb40]

The reports say they were "hidden," so I suspect that they are not his fiancee's.


Can you imagine the poor fiancee----the police saying are these your underwear!!!!!!:scared: and she said no!! omg!!! She should have a clue at that point and with the email sent from the friend of the call girl who died that Markoff was conversing with her back and forth on email!!

[barskin&co.]

Now add the panties and the restraints found at the house.

Looking pretty solid so far.

Yeah, I knew I had only a partial list. If his lawyer has any sense, he will try to negotiate a plea bargain which would allow for the slight possibility that he will see daylight some time before he dies

[fastpitch]

The fiance' could be a flake. He may have been interested in her because he knew she wouldn't question him. moo

[barskin&co.]

The fiance' could be a flake. He may have been interested in her because he knew she wouldn't question him. moo

Yeah, maybe, but I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she is one of the many, many people who are taken in by sociopaths they think they know and love.

[barskin&co.]

By the way, I live in the county (Suffolk, which is Boston proper) in which two of the crimes took place, so I am actually in the jury pool on this one.

[spageddy]

I was listening to a talk show today, and they were discussing Markoff's lab partner, a woman named Tiffany. Unlike most of his friends & acquaintances who describe him as "normal", this woman said she always felt there was something "off" about him. I'm sorry I don't have a link, or more accurate info, but I thought it was interesting that she said he alternated from being "Happy Phil" to being in a very dark mood. She claims she had even considered reporting his behavior to school counselors. So it seems not everyone is totally shocked.
I feel very very sorry for his fiance. I can't begin to imagine...
Barskin, I hope you get called to jury duty! I'll take over the in-session reporting if need be.

[barskin&co.]

You must not make the jury, Barskin. As a member of the jury you would be prohibited from fulfilling your In Session Message Board reporter duties from the spectator section of the courtroom.

Even in the unlikely circumstance that I was a possible juror, I would have to tell the truth, i.e., that I have followed the case, discussed it online and already formed conclusions. I am ready to take my rightful place as MB court reporter.

But sheesh. What defense are they going to use? Assuming that a deal is not brokered and the prosecution has all the evidence we think they have, including living victims who can positively ID Markoff, I say look for a bizarre defense along the order of Not Guilty By Reason of Poker. "Your honow, my client was seduced by the pervasive poker culture that exists today. Does your honor know many poker shows are on TV every day? The World Poker Tour is on 3 different networks. And don't get me started on the World Series of Poker. Your honor, my client was addicted and it led him to desperation. He was not himself when he commited these acts. He is not responsible. He is a beautiful person who would not hurt a fly. He should be able to have a wonderful, meaningful life....yadda, yadda, yadda."

Hey don't laugh. Remember how Neil Entwistle's attorney tried to get the jury to believe the ridiculous "Rachel killed Lillian and then herself" story. I'm not saying the defense has a snowball's chance in hell; I'm just saying, considering the evidence the prosecution seems to have, we should expect a pretty far out defense.

[Kip]

Oy veh. The words of a woman living in a state of sweet oblivion:


Yesterday morning, Markoff's fiancee defended him in an e-mail message she sent to ABC News, according to the website of "Good Morning America."

"Unfortunately, you were given wrong information, as was the public," McAllister wrote. "All I have to say to you is Philip is a beautiful person inside and out and could not hurt a fly! A police officer in Boston (or many) is trying to make big bucks by selling this false story to the TV stations. What else is new?? Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. We expect to marry in August and share a wonderful, meaningful life together."


http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/craigslist_suspect_was_drawn_to_easy_prey_da_says/?page=3

Good Lord. Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for this woman. But she has got to explain to herself why the "beautiful person" who "couldn't hurt a fly" had a semi-automatic weapon in his posession. Or why the police would want to "sell a false story" about this particular guy. Or why the other victims ID him as their attacker. Well, I hope she doesn't mind a relationship with a man who is sentenced to a "wonderful, meaningful life" in prison without the possibility of parole..

C'mon. Let's give the poor fiancee and family members a couple of days to get used to the idea. If the police came to my door now and arrested my husband for multiple murders and said they had evidence, I wouldn't believe it. I'd have to look at the evidence long and hard before I could reach a conclusion like that.

[spageddy]

C'mon. Let's give the poor fiancee and family members a couple of days to get used to the idea. If the police came to my door now and arrested my husband for multiple murders and said they had evidence, I wouldn't believe it. I'd have to look at the evidence long and hard before I could reach a conclusion like that.

I agree Kip. It's really too much to take in. I kinda wonder tho' did the fiance or the family see any of the security tapes and think: "hmmm, looks a bit like Philip, but nahh, couldn't be" ? And did anyone else ever witness the moods his lab-partner spoke of? I hope his family doesn't go all "Anthony" on us and try to defend him regardless of the evidence

With regard to the gambling defense- how does the hidden stash of panties fit in? I believe he had gambling debts, but couldn't he have come up with a better solution than robbing "masseuses" ? He's supposed to be smart, right?

[interested]

The fiance' could be a flake. He may have been interested in her because he knew she wouldn't question him. moo

The fiance is also a medical student scheduled to graduate before him. Somehow I don't think "flake" is going to be a valid characterization. In denial for certain, but it's got to be terribly difficult (and frightening to no end) to accept you don't know the man you intend (hopefully she'll come to her senses) to spend the rest of your life with at all.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/behind_perfect_life_a_darker_side/?page=2

In 2005, Markoff's sophomore year, Markoff met McAllister, a senior, in an emergency room near campus where they volunteered.

[interested]

I was listening to a talk show today, and they were discussing Markoff's lab partner, a woman named Tiffany. Unlike most of his friends & acquaintances who describe him as "normal", this woman said she always felt there was something "off" about him. I'm sorry I don't have a link, or more accurate info, but I thought it was interesting that she said he alternated from being "Happy Phil" to being in a very dark mood. She claims she had even considered reporting his behavior to school counselors. So it seems not everyone is totally shocked.
I feel very very sorry for his fiance. I can't begin to imagine...
Barskin, I hope you get called to jury duty! I'll take over the in-session reporting if need be.


Tiffany says she's not the only one who noticed:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/behind_perfect_life_a_darker_side/

He came to class sometimes in seemingly intractable depressions, which worried Tiffany B. Montgomery to the point that she considered alerting school counselors that he might be suicidal.

(skip)

"He just wasn't right in the head, and I knew it, and probably other people did, too," said Montgomery, 26, who spent hours with him each day in the lab.

"My friends from the lab group have confirmed that 'you weren't the only one feeling that way,' " she said. "I got the impression he was really disturbed."


See ya in the jury pool Barskin!! Yeah, they're gonna dismiss us both in a heartbeat, but maybe I'll have an opportunity to buy you lunch first. lol

[airportwoman]

Cancelling the wedding and paying for the dress are the very least of her problems, don't you think? I wonder how long it will take for her to realize that he really did do it. I don't understand "friends" saying they didn't know about the engagement: the couple had a website about it. Sounds like some acquaintances claiming to be friends. Yes he was enrolled in school.

ITA about cancelling the wedding. I sure hope everyone cuts her a break and refunds her money.

Did anyone see the Larry King story about this? Was that guy Joe, who kept spouting cliches about violence against women, weird or what? I'm not even sure he knew him, or just said he did so he could get his 15 minutes. The other guy appeared to know him fairly well (relatively speaking) and seemed quite normal.

[airportwoman]

This case reminds me of Ted Bundy. Ted worked at a suicide prevention hotline, had girlfriends and a fiancee at some point, and went to law school. Lots of people were incredulous when he was arrested too.

Lots of people seem to be able to treat their special people well, but then do horrible things to other people. I think the ability to keep these two parts of the same person separate is called compartmentalization and its partly motivated by the need to keep out of trouble. Its a common plot device in shows like the Sopranos, especially when a relationship moves from one compartment to the other.

And there are plenty of people who treat outsiders well and their family horribly. Notice that sentence was gender neutral.

[n/t]

Even in the unlikely circumstance that I was a possible juror, I would have to tell the truth, i.e., that I have followed the case, discussed it online and already formed conclusions. I am ready to take my rightful place as MB court reporter.

But sheesh. What defense are they going to use? Assuming that a deal is not brokered and the prosecution has all the evidence we think they have, including living victims who can positively ID Markoff, I say look for a bizarre defense along the order of Not Guilty By Reason of Poker. "Your honow, my client was seduced by the pervasive poker culture that exists today. Does your honor know many poker shows are on TV every day? The World Poker Tour is on 3 different networks. And don't get me started on the World Series of Poker. Your honor, my client was addicted and it led him to desperation. He was not himself when he commited these acts. He is not responsible. He is a beautiful person who would not hurt a fly. He should be able to have a wonderful, meaningful life....yadda, yadda, yadda."

Hey don't laugh. Remember how Neil Entwistle's attorney tried to get the jury to believe the ridiculous "Rachel killed Lillian and then herself" story. I'm not saying the defense has a snowball's chance in hell; I'm just saying, considering the evidence the prosecution seems to have, we should expect a pretty far out defense.

If this case wasn't so horrific and sad for the victims....it could've qualified for most stupidest crimes.

The guy left a trail of evidence and he didn't even bother to hide any of it. Was he just lazy or stupid or what? Seriously.

Wait. Watch. The "he was framed" defense.:rolleyes:

[amb40]

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/view/co_main.aspx?legacct=1&coupleid=8672441361141562

Here is the announcement.She is a Jersey girl......I live in NJ too!! The wedding was going to be in Long Branch.............*exit 105 off the Parkway! I will have to drive by the place tomorrow!!!

I used to live outside of Boston too----so interesting both for Bostonians and Jerseyans!!]

The fiancee also wrote the email to ABC right after this happened. I am sure she is in total denial...She doesnt want to believe it but eventually will.............It has to "sink in" first!!! I feel sorry for her and his family,..(not him though!)May he rot in Hell.......:ohmy:

[interested]

If this case wasn't so horrific and sad for the victims....it could've qualified for most stupidest crimes.

The guy left a trail of evidence and he didn't even bother to hide any of it. Was he just lazy or stupid or what? Seriously.

Wait. Watch. The "he was framed" defense.:rolleyes:


Well does he get any points for "hiding" his collection of "mementos" in a "hollowed out copy of Grey's Anatomy of the Human Body"?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/sources_craigsl.html


Was he watching a bit too much TV when he thought of that? Can you imagine taking the time to do that, but not bothering to have a pre-paid throw away phone? Or a routing program that sent his E-mail through six countries to hide the IP? I gotta believe he wanted to get caught.

[kelloggirl]

Well does he get any points for "hiding" his collection of "mementos" in a "hollowed out copy of Grey's Anatomy of the Human Body"?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/sources_craigsl.html


Was he watching a bit too much TV when he thought of that? Can you imagine taking the time to do that, but not bothering to have a pre-paid throw away phone? Or a routing program that sent his E-mail through six countries to hide the IP? I gotta believe he wanted to get caught.

I think he was covering his tracks with the only person he thought he needed to hide anything from - the fiancee who actually lived with him. Other than that, I'm sure his arrogance made him believe everyone around him was too stupid to figure it out.

I know they say gambling was a motive, and maybe it was the catalyst but, the whole panties things just adds more fuel to my fire that he got a lot of sick satisfaction over taking advantage of women, having power over them, and terrorizing them.

It says a lot to me that he set up another victim only a few days after the murder. You'd think maybe if he didn't mean to kill her, he would be shocked and remorseful and scared enough to lay low for a long time, or never do it again. Nope, this psycho is at again, and the victim is lucky that her husband showed up before the same thing happened to her.

[Hey Paula]

The fiance is also a medical student scheduled to graduate before him. Somehow I don't think "flake" is going to be a valid characterization. In denial for certain, but it's got to be terribly difficult (and frightening to no end) to accept you don't know the man you intend (hopefully she'll come to her senses) to spend the rest of your life with at all.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/behind_perfect_life_a_darker_side/?page=2

IMO, she either wasn't exposed to his 'dark side', or was impervious to it.

EXCERPTS:

A former medical school lab partner of Markoff's said he was prone to profound mood swings and seemed "disturbed."

Tiffany Montgomery told The Boston Globe that she's "not even remotely surprised" Markoff is a suspect in the case and said she was often alarmed at his extreme changes in mood.

A former high school classmate of Markoff's told the Boston Herald that he was a contemptuous high school bully.

"He had this hatred for people he thought were beneath him," said the classmate, Caitlin, 23, who asked that her last name be withheld. "He saw me as beneath him and he needed to degrade me. I think he had a complex."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517409,00.html

[barskin&co.]

C'mon. Let's give the poor fiancee and family members a couple of days to get used to the idea. If the police came to my door now and arrested my husband for multiple murders and said they had evidence, I wouldn't believe it. I'd have to look at the evidence long and hard before I could reach a conclusion like that.

You're right. I am being too flippant. It's too soon for them to face the truth (if they ever can, that is).

[barskin&co.]

http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/view/co_main.aspx?legacct=1&coupleid=8672441361141562

Here is the announcement.She is a Jersey girl......I live in NJ too!! The wedding was going to be in Long Branch.............*exit 105 off the Parkway! I will have to drive by the place tomorrow!!!

I used to live outside of Boston too----so interesting both for Bostonians and Jerseyans!!]

The fiancee also wrote the email to ABC right after this happened. I am sure she is in total denial...She doesnt want to believe it but eventually will.............It has to "sink in" first!!! I feel sorry for her and his family,..(not him though!)May he rot in Hell.......:ohmy:

Oh, drat! The wedding registries are gone. What's the matter with Bloomingdales, Williams-Sonoma and the Pottery Barn? They don't want to list the gifts for the Craig's List Killer?

[barskin&co.]

I think he was covering his tracks with the only person he thought he needed to hide anything from - the fiancee who actually lived with him. Other than that, I'm sure his arrogance made him believe everyone around him was too stupid to figure it out.

I know they say gambling was a motive, and maybe it was the catalyst but, the whole panties things just adds more fuel to my fire that he got a lot of sick satisfaction over taking advantage of women, having power over them, and terrorizing them.

It says a lot to me that he set up another victim only a few days after the murder. You'd think maybe if he didn't mean to kill her, he would be shocked and remorseful and scared enough to lay low for a long time, or never do it again. Nope, this psycho is at again, and the victim is lucky that her husband showed up before the same thing happened to her.

Yeah, I think you've hit the nail right on the head.

[MoonFlwr]

Oy veh. The words of a woman living in a state of sweet oblivion:


Yesterday morning, Markoff's fiancee defended him in an e-mail message she sent to ABC News, according to the website of "Good Morning America."

"Unfortunately, you were given wrong information, as was the public," McAllister wrote. "All I have to say to you is Philip is a beautiful person inside and out and could not hurt a fly! A police officer in Boston (or many) is trying to make big bucks by selling this false story to the TV stations. What else is new?? Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. We expect to marry in August and share a wonderful, meaningful life together."


http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/craigslist_suspect_was_drawn_to_easy_prey_da_says/?page=3

Good Lord. Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for this woman. But she has got to explain to herself why the "beautiful person" who "couldn't hurt a fly" had a semi-automatic weapon in his posession. Or why the police would want to "sell a false story" about this particular guy. Or why the other victims ID him as their attacker. Well, I hope she doesn't mind a relationship with a man who is sentenced to a "wonderful, meaningful life" in prison without the possibility of parole..

I think IIRC that she sent that email almost straight after she received the news of his arrest.
I don't think that should be taken as how she feels now (that more evidence is coming to light).
That email seemed like a reaction email to me...one of disbelief at hearing the news.

[amb40]

Oh, drat! The wedding registries are gone. What's the matter with Bloomingdales, Williams-Sonoma and the Pottery Barn? They don't want to list the gifts for the Craig's List Killer?

LOL! The nerve of them taking off the registries of what the killer wanted!LOL>..Set of knives from Macy's LOL?>?

[airportwoman]

Does anyone remember the Runaway Bride's registry? It was stuff like Waterford crystal napkin rings that cost $100 each.

:scared:

[MoonFlwr]

Does anyone remember the Runaway Bride's registry? It was stuff like Waterford crystal napkin rings that cost $100 each.

:scared:

lol! The thought made her run away in fright, too! ;)

[achristie]

Comments from his lab partner ... she thought he had problems.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97NGCH00&show_article=1&catnum=0


I find this interesting. Other than his fiancee, was his female lab partner the only acquaintance to have spent a consistent amount of time with him? I think she was.

MOO Aggie

[MoonFlwr]

One of the boston reads tonight has put her in the car with him when he was pulled over.
I think that must be where her anger is coming from. She was present when he was arrested, the article says THEY were on the way to the casino when pulled over.

Yes, I read that, too.

Just imagine...there they were, together, driving down the road, heading for a fun evening (in her mind. She is totally oblivious to what's been going on), and then, out of the blue..they are pulled over and he is ARRESTED...for MURDER, robbery! omg!

[LushLife]

The 4 prostitutes found murdered near Atlantic City 3 years ago? That case was never solved, I hope LE looks into it.

[Martek]

One of the boston reads tonight has put her in the car with him when he was pulled over.
I think that must be where her anger is coming from. She was present when he was arrested, the article says THEY were on the way to the casino when pulled over.

I've been reading up and following the links on this horrifying case; but I don't recall seeing anything indicating anger on the fiancee's part. Where did you hear that?

Martek

[barskin&co.]

Can't edit the post above on the "evidence list" but there are actually 3 people who can ID him - the 2 victims and one of the victim's husbands who thwarted the intended robbery.

Oh, this guy is up a creek...thank God. Which makes you wonder what kind of wacko defense they can cook up for this guy. I see my "not guilty by reason of poker" idea becoming more and more likely.

[barskin&co.]

Here's an interesting story about Markoff's tail for the days before his arrest.

Craigslist suspect trailed for days before arrest (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_trailed_for_days_bef ore_arrest:_Tracked_down/)

[MoonFlwr]

Here's an interesting story about Markoff's tail for the days before his arrest.

Craigslist suspect trailed for days before arrest (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_trailed_for_days_bef ore_arrest:_Tracked_down/)

Wow! What a suspenseful situation for those cops to be in!

[amb40]

His grandfather is convinced they have the wrong guy.
Totally convinced. We'll see how his plays out.

Isn't life interesting??? Just when you think we've heard and seen it all.

Yes, and he bashed her head in too they said!! What a nutcase. Does seem like open and shut case!!! Pretty boy won' get off too easy now, will he???

I read where the Grandfather said his grandson did not do this whatsoever. They have the wrong man he had said in the article in Boston dot com.... He is in denial too!! Sad. I didn't see the family in the courtroom either!
I cited this a few days ago--yep, grandfather in extreme DENIAL!

Who wouldn't be if the guy never had any priors,etc...Sad for the family unfortunately!:thumbdown:

This seems to be an open and shut case, not like the Scott Peterson saga!He knew he had people who could ID him so I think he eventually wanted to be caught or thought he could outsmart Boston PD!

[amb40]

Here's an interesting story about Markoff's tail for the days before his arrest.

Craigslist suspect trailed for days before arrest (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_trailed_for_days_bef ore_arrest:_Tracked_down/)



Sounds like fiancee was definitely more into him than him her!

[amb40]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/23/a_high_tech_tip_an_old_school_stakeout/
From the Boston dot com today-

The fiancee was so distraught she used a police computer andbooked a flight back to her parents in NJ!:scared: Maybe reality is setting in!!
Markoff wanted a lawyer and remained calm... Did she have any clue that he ,:crying:deep down, was not right in the head?

[n/t]

I guess most will be coming out for their 15 minutes. Creepy details nevertheless.

College buddy Morgan Houston recalls her close call with 'Craigslist Killer' suspect Philip Markoff

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_morgan_houston_recalls_close_call_markoff.html

[cuppajoe]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/23/a_high_tech_tip_an_old_school_stakeout/
From the Boston dot com today-

The fiancee was so distraught she used a police computer andbooked a flight back to her parents in NJ!:scared: Maybe reality is setting in!!
Markoff wanted a lawyer and remained calm... Did she have any clue that he ,:crying:deep down, was not right in the head?

I bet. I feel sorry for this woman, no way did she know what kind of monster this man truly is, imo.

[n/t]

Exclusive: John Walsh on 'Craigslist Killer'

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2066818_Exclusive_John_Walsh_on_Craigslist_Killer

[n/t]

Here's an interesting story about Markoff's tail for the days before his arrest.

Craigslist suspect trailed for days before arrest (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_trailed_for_days_bef ore_arrest:_Tracked_down/)


Wow...:thumbsup:

[n/t]

I bet. I feel sorry for this woman, no way did she know what kind of monster this man truly is, imo.

I agree. She'll need a lot of counselling and support. With time, let's hope she realizes how lucky she is that she didn't marry him because God only knows what he would've done to her.

[CANDYKISSES]

I cited this a few days ago--yep, grandfather in extreme DENIAL!

Who wouldn't be if the guy never had any priors,etc...Sad for the family unfortunately!:thumbdown:

This seems to be an open and shut case, not like the Scott Peterson saga!He knew he had people who could ID him so I think he eventually wanted to be caught or thought he could outsmart Boston PD!

Just wait until Wendy Murphy starts offering commentary on this case and nobody will be sitting around in denial too long Amb. That said, I can't imagine how this family and the fiancee must feel.

When the fiancee reads some of the accounts about him not telling others of a fiancee for quite some time AND THE OTHER observations, I think she's going to come to the sad reality she didn't really know the evil lurking inside of that man. JMO tho.

[aproudmom]

Shows you we just never know I hope his ex-fiance if that is what she is since in the beginning she was saying he was being set up or what ever and all these people coming out of the wood work now saying what a wonderful person this is and no way could he have done this..well hello we see that in most cases these days,...they are blinded by the truth or deny to open their eyes and allow LE to get Justice all this preppy med killer crap no he is a evil man who killed robbed and searched for victims and then went home to act like the everyday wonderful guy...well those days are over..EVIL people are not like the boogeyman anymore people need to realize that..

Philip Markoff trailed for days before arrest:thumbsup:
bet it saved even more innocent lives thank god..kudos to the LE in this case and kudos for preppy boy for being so stupid..to all the people on these sites I hope they learn a lesson from this do not allow stranger to meet you it is not safe...

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_trailed_for_days_bef ore_arrest:_Tracked_down/

[aproudmom]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2009_04_23_Craigslist_suspect_allegedly_hoarded_pa nties__gun:_Cops_unearth_secret_stash/
Philip Markoff allegedly hoarded panties, gun
Cops unearth secret stash

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/2009_04_23_Dream_love_story_turns_into_nightmare/
Dream love story turns into nightmare


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1167217
Accused Craigslist killer was a nerdy high school ‘bully’
Former classmate: ‘He had this hatred for people’

[amb40]

Just wait until Wendy Murphy starts offering commentary on this case and nobody will be sitting around in denial too long Amb. That said, I can't imagine how this family and the fiancee must feel.

When the fiancee reads some of the accounts about him not telling others of a fiancee for quite some time AND THE OTHER observations, I think she's going to come to the sad reality she didn't really know the evil lurking inside of that man. JMO tho.

You got that right Candy!!!
I just saw on Today Show where the they said hhe hollowed out his Grey's physician book with his semi-automatic gun in it!!!!!!!!!:w00t::w

Too creepy~~ Her own mom said to watch out for the Craigslist killer on the loose!! Scary!!!00t:

NT - I agree----tons of counseling needed for the poor girl. It will be a long time, if at all, to trust any man again!

[aproudmom]

could have a gambling problem..
a lot of videos on here..thank got they got this guy. I pray his fiance has opened her eyes she is so pretty and deserves much better..she must not watch TV cause those tapes looks so much like him..and her mother or soon to be mother in law warned her to be careful a murderer was walking the streets..fgs she was sleeping next to him..poor women

Videos
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30349159#30349159

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30349159#30343446

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30349159#30343640

[aproudmom]

JMO

This guy probably has robbed and attacked many more. Assuming they were doing something illegal, would not make police reports.

There are also probably buddies of his who will remember sitting around with him making jokes about this very thing. A "what if" kind of drinking game. None but the perp took it to be a serious planning meeting to carry out the crime.

ITA I also think there is many more victims..

[spageddy]

I couldn't stop thinking of this poor woman last night. I've made some bad choices with regard to relationships in the past (very very distant past) and I can still recall the feelings of shame, humiliation,guilt, hurt...
And my relationships were with garden variety losers- not killers who are the topic of national news and talk shows. I'd rather be bound and beaten (assuming I lived ) than endure what this woman is going through. JMO.
I hope she has lots of prayers, support, professional help, good friends, more prayers, and a great deal of understanding from the media.

[spageddy]

How did saving panties help him with his gambling debt? Unless he was planning on selling them on craigslist:glare:

[CANDYKISSES]

You got that right Candy!!!
I just saw on Today Show where the they said hhe hollowed out his Grey's physician book with his semi-automatic gun in it!!!!!!!!!:w00t::w

Too creepy~~ Her own mom said to watch out for the Craigslist killer on the loose!! Scary!!!00t:

NT - I agree----tons of counseling needed for the poor girl. It will be a long time, if at all, to trust any man again!

WOWZA, PRR hollowed out for weapon.....:scared: He looked devoid of any emotion at all during his hearing. I could definitely relate to what the article stated about the cops tailing him and what they were seeing. JMO. You just never know anymore.

[MoonFlwr]

How did saving panties help him with his gambling debt? Unless he was planning on selling them on craigslist:glare:

*Giggle!* :)

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA I also think there is many more victims..

Hopefully they will be able to track some down that are afraid to come forward if that's the case PM. :unsure:

[lunchlady]

This guy is a psychopath and I think its fortunate that he got caught early. He could have robbed and killed lots more people. Ten years ago it would be easier to get away with killing escorts, without the cameras and the computer and cell phone data.

The preppy guy victimizing sex workers and other vulnerable women is an old story. This guy was feeling so high and mighty, headed for the high life, his victims were easy targets. I bet there are women who haven't come forward yet, because they don't want their family to know that they were offering escort services on Craigslist. They survived and they're keeping their mouths shut.

[barskin&co.]

This guy is a psychopath and I think its fortunate that he got caught early. He could have robbed and killed lots more people. Ten years ago it would be easier to get away with killing escorts, without the cameras and the computer and cell phone data.

The preppy guy victimizing sex workers and other vulnerable women is an old story. This guy was feeling so high and mighty, headed for the high life, his victims were easy targets. I bet there are women who haven't come forward yet, because they don't want their family to know that they were offering escort services on Craigslist. They survived and they're keeping their mouths shut.

Yeah, see, just because a guy is a sociopath and a book smart guy, it doesn't mean he's a criminal mastermind. He was caught relatively early.
It's like the case of Leopold and Loeb. They were super geniuses, and yet, when they killed for the fun of it - thinking they were too smart to be caught - they actually did everything wrong, and the police caught them straight away. The same with Parker and Tulloch (the kids who killed Half and Suzanna Zantop, the Dartmouth professors). They also thought they were too smart, but they, like Markoff, left a computer trail right to them and then, when police searched their homes the police found a treasure trove of evidence like the murder weapon and the boots used at the murder scene, both covered in the victims' blood.

[Amy S.]

I wonder how many panties and stockings the police found, that this guy had stashed? I am trying to understand how thorough the search of that apartment must have been for the police to find a pistol in a hollowed out book?

I guess we know he wasn't studying his anatomy book. I bet he was about to bomb out at school. I wonder if his classmates will come forward to say if he was even in class?

He was SO busy with this second life that I can't imagine he was a very good med student. They usually study 24/7.

Actually, I am glad that the police caught him while he was only 23. He could have killed as many as Bundy or BTK.

[airportwoman]

Actually, I am glad that the police caught him while he was only 23. He could have killed as many as Bundy or BTK.

He may already have and we just don't know about it yet.

[Jpanda]

He may already have and we just don't know about it yet.

That's scary and yet so true. He had a book hollowed out with a gun in it - I highly doubt Julissa was his first murder victim.

This whole story is so crazy, I can't even imagine how poor Megan feels!!! Since she sent that email to GMA, so much more info and evidence has come out. Surely she HAS to believe he is guilty now!

And to think that her mother warned her about the Craigslist killer and all along she was living with him! I'm sure her family is pretty freaked out also.

Hoping they'll get the counseling they will surely need. Ugh, what a scum bag.

jmo

[Amy S.]

I can remember that one Preppy Murderer (or something like that). Was he also from Boston? He had strangled that co-ed, in the park.

Perhaps the fiance' had some premonitions, but just thought it was "cold feet" or maybe he is seeing someone else. No way would you think that he might be the Craig's List Killer.

So, she scheduled a flight home from the police dept.? I wouldn't have thought to do that. I guess she wasn't allowed into the apartment, though. Her poor mother had to have gotten a shocking phone call.

I am afraid that this one is going to get worse as it goes on.

[penguin01]

Hi Moon I can totally see why she was shocked. The evidence against him that's coming out doesn't look good for her at all. Right now.
In the end I hope she comes around and "gets it".

She didn't know him very long and I agree with other posters who know that most people are not great judges of character. And, when confronted with this in life, it's often a very painful experience that makes you think twice about yourself. It was for me. It's a horrible thing to find out someone you know and love, is NOT who you thought them to be. At All. Best she found out now, I hope she will cooperate with LE instead of making these public statements. It will be like a hammer coming down on her life. I feel awful for her, and for the victims in this case. Let's hope that there is justice in this case. I see LWOP coming for this "golden boy".... "didn't know him very long"?? I would have thought 3 years is a reasonably prudent amount of time before getting engaged. Clearly the poor woman didn't know him very well - even after 3 years. I can just imagine it will be a very long time before she trusts her instincts again - if ever. I feel awful for her too.
I'm curious - he lived with her: where did he stash the panties they discovered he had.

[doradoll]

"didn't know him very long"?? I would have thought 3 years is a reasonably prudent amount of time before getting engaged. Clearly the poor woman didn't know him very well - even after 3 years. I can just imagine it will be a very long time before she trusts her instincts again - if ever. I feel awful for her too.
I'm curious - he lived with her: where did he stash the panties they discovered he had.

remember Dennis Rader/BTK's wife and kids...........

[cg007]

I find it even scarier to think if he had not been caught and graduated and became a doctor. There would be real opportunity in a position like that.....

[myownopera]

I find it even scarier to think if he had not been caught and graduated and became a doctor. There would be real opportunity in a position like that.....

I think it is hard for many of us to think someone who is a physician, or want to be/smart enough could possibly be this sick. Real Scary!!

moo:scared:

[penguin01]

remember Dennis Rader/BTK's wife and kids...........
I know - that poor soul never ever did know the man, did she? But I was just reacting to Bugout's "didn't know him very long". I wonder how long Bugout thought she had known him. I was surprised that 3 years is "not very long". Like Rader's wife - I would think this poor young woman would find it hard to trust her instincts ever again.... no matter how long she knows someone.

[cg007]

[ I would think this poor young woman would find it hard to trust her instincts ever again.... no matter how long she knows someone.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that. I wonder why people like this are not aggressive with their wives or girlfriends.

[katied75]

Did anybody see this article? I'm wondering what the strange posting on craigslist was.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/23/Strange-listing-on-Craigslist/1240503558.html

[cg007]

I can't get the video to play. Can someone tell me what his ad said?

Thank you!

[penguin01]

[ I would think this poor young woman would find it hard to trust her instincts ever again.... no matter how long she knows someone.

I agree with that. I wonder why people like this are not aggressive with their wives or girlfriends.[/QUOTE]

Because you have to have a regular life so that you can hide your secret life, don't you think? Like a closeted gay man having a wife or girlfriend (known as a "beard") in order to present a straight image. You try to keep your regular life really normal so you can indulge yourself in whatever your secret life gives you.

[Ralar]

Did anybody see this article? I'm wondering what the strange posting on craigslist was.

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/2009/04/23/Strange-listing-on-Craigslist/1240503558.html

The police googled Markoff's phone number and found a Craig's List ad offering "Ebony Erotic Massage." The ad indicated the indicidual was taking [his] last appointment and instructed those interested to call Markoff's phone number.

I don't have a link, but I think I saw this info in a Boston Globe article.

[KittyMom]

I guess most will be coming out for their 15 minutes. Creepy details nevertheless.

College buddy Morgan Houston recalls her close call with 'Craigslist Killer' suspect Philip Markoff

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/22/2009-04-22_morgan_houston_recalls_close_call_markoff.html

She reminds me of his victim in looks. :scared:

[cg007]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7408505&page=1

They put him on suicide watch after finding shoelace marks on his neck.

[Topher]

Is it me, or does he seem to have the same affect in court as Jeffrey Dahmer? There's obviously much more about him that we will learn. A person doesn't turn into a fiend overnight. I know that I should consider him innocent until he's proven guilty, but there's just too much evidence, both physical, and the I.D. from the other victim, for me to find a reasonable doubt, unless it's "a conspiracy to frame him," which is ludicrous. If there isn't a plea, there will probably be an unsuccessful "I did it but" creative mental health issue defence. Regardless, his life is over. This pretty blond panty collector will not survive prison. As for the fiancée, I do have compassion for her, although having the intelligence to go to med school, I cannot believe that there we no signs that he wasn't the man he was portraying himself to be. She should be thankful that she didn't marry him, get some therapy, and also get some insight into red flags in human character...

[Keegan]

Is it me, or does he seem to have the same affect in court as Jeffrey Dahmer? There's obviously much more about him that we will learn. A person doesn't turn into a fiend overnight. I know that I should consider him innocent until he's proven guilty, but there's just too much evidence, both physical, and the I.D. from the other victim, for me to find a reasonable doubt, unless it's "a conspiracy to frame him," which is ludicrous. If there isn't a plea, there will probably be an unsuccessful "I did it but" creative mental health issue defence. Regardless, his life is over. This pretty blond panty collector will not survive prison. As for the fiancée, I do have compassion for her, although having the intelligence to go to med school, I cannot believe that there we no signs that he wasn't the man he was portraying himself to be. She should be thankful that she didn't marry him, get some therapy, and also get some insight into red flags in human character...

Both were students. Where did she think the money was coming from for trips, lavish gifts and gambling? His father is a dentist and mother works at a casino. Surely she was bright enough to realize he didn't come from wealth.

[dgfred]

Did I read somewhere earlier that the second victim was having doubts about helping LE??? If so I wonder why?

[Ralar]

Both were students. Where did she think the money was coming from for trips, lavish gifts and gambling? His father is a dentist and mother works at a casino. Surely she was bright enough to realize he didn't come from wealth.

I haven't heard anything about trips or lavish gifts. Also, the average general dentist earns more than the average internal medicine physician or family doctor. The Markoff family may not be "wealthy" (or they may be: his paternal grandfather is a prominent attorney, his father is a dentist) they are probably well-off. Markoff's parents are divorced and his mother apparently has had a couple husbands.

[Fairlady]

Oy veh. The words of a woman living in a state of sweet oblivion:


Yesterday morning, Markoff's fiancee defended him in an e-mail message she sent to ABC News, according to the website of "Good Morning America."

"Unfortunately, you were given wrong information, as was the public," McAllister wrote. "All I have to say to you is Philip is a beautiful person inside and out and could not hurt a fly! A police officer in Boston (or many) is trying to make big bucks by selling this false story to the TV stations. What else is new?? Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. We expect to marry in August and share a wonderful, meaningful life together."


http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/craigslist_suspect_was_drawn_to_easy_prey_da_says/?page=3

Good Lord. Don't get me wrong, I feel very sorry for this woman. But she has got to explain to herself why the "beautiful person" who "couldn't hurt a fly" had a semi-automatic weapon in his posession. Or why the police would want to "sell a false story" about this particular guy. Or why the other victims ID him as their attacker. Well, I hope she doesn't mind a relationship with a man who is sentenced to a "wonderful, meaningful life" in prison without the possibility of parole..

Hi Barskin&co ....

This really is a fascinating case. Not only is she in "sweet oblivion", she sounds very immature. Why on earth would police officers want to sell a "false story" about THIS particular guy ??

""Philip is an intelligent man who is just trying to live his life so if you could leave us alone we would greatly appreciate it. "" This statement in particular makes her sound like a petulant child. I believe she is going to grow up very quickly. IMO

[cg007]

Did I read somewhere earlier that the second victim was having doubts about helping LE??? If so I wonder why?

Maybe it's because of her line of business. She is married and offering those services. Maybe she doesn't want her name plastered everywhere. It's too bad if she doesn't cooperate....

[Fairlady]

C'mon. Let's give the poor fiancee and family members a couple of days to get used to the idea. If the police came to my door now and arrested my husband for multiple murders and said they had evidence, I wouldn't believe it. I'd have to look at the evidence long and hard before I could reach a conclusion like that.

Kip .... You might have a point there. On the other hand, if this unfortunate situation DID happen to you, I'm sure would would have the common sense not to be contacting major networks via email. I'll concede you're right .... this must be a horrible shock for his fiancee, his family and his friends.

[Fairlady]

I think he was covering his tracks with the only person he thought he needed to hide anything from - the fiancee who actually lived with him. Other than that, I'm sure his arrogance made him believe everyone around him was too stupid to figure it out.

I know they say gambling was a motive, and maybe it was the catalyst but, the whole panties things just adds more fuel to my fire that he got a lot of sick satisfaction over taking advantage of women, having power over them, and terrorizing them.

It says a lot to me that he set up another victim only a few days after the murder. You'd think maybe if he didn't mean to kill her, he would be shocked and remorseful and scared enough to lay low for a long time, or never do it again. Nope, this psycho is at again, and the victim is lucky that her husband showed up before the same thing happened to her.

Great point, kelloggirl .... the "panties" thing takes it to another level for me too.

[Ralar]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-23-craigslist_N.htm?csp=34

A new Facebook group called "Phil Markoff is Innocent Until Proven Guilty" describes itself as a forum to rally against the media and a culture "that has forgotten that people like Phil are suspects, not killers."

. . . . .

McAllister, who earlier this week told ABC News in an e-mail that Markoff could not hurt a fly, is still standing behind him, her father, James McAllister, told reporters Thursday.

. . . . .

"She's still confident in Phil. Other than that, we're saying a lot of prayers," he said outside his home in Little Silver, N.J.

[Amy S.]

So, now Markoff is trying to figure out how to kill himself in a jail cell. I am surprised that he even had shoestrings.

Now, he is on suicide watch, so I bet he isn't with any other inmates or one of them could kill him.

I imagine that the police have enough evidence to put him away for life, even if the 2nd victim doesn't want to testify.

So, now we see that he was advertising that he could give massages. Boy, he had an awful lot of time on his hands.

[Fairlady]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-23-craigslist_N.htm?csp=34

A new Facebook group called "Phil Markoff is Innocent Until Proven Guilty" describes itself as a forum to rally against the media and a culture "that has forgotten that people like Phil are suspects, not killers."

. . . . .

McAllister, who earlier this week told ABC News in an e-mail that Markoff could not hurt a fly, is still standing behind him, her father, James McAllister, told reporters Thursday.

. . . . .

"She's still confident in Phil. Other than that, we're saying a lot of prayers," he said outside his home in Little Silver, N.J.

I wonder what the new Facebook group will do when and if he is proven to indeed be a killer ??

[Ralar]

I wonder what the new Facebook group will do when and if he is proven to indeed be a killer ??

Right now there are many "nonsupportive" posts on the wall.

If/when he is convicted, maybe they will raise money for his appeal.

[airportwoman]

As for the fiancée, I do have compassion for her, although having the intelligence to go to med school, I cannot believe that there we no signs that he wasn't the man he was portraying himself to be. She should be thankful that she didn't marry him, get some therapy, and also get some insight into red flags in human character...

I have known some very highly educated people who made some extremely bad decisions when it came to picking their spouses and/or parents of their children.

[amb40]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/alleged_craigs.html

Markoff placed on suicide watch now!! Oh, poor baby.

[airportwoman]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/alleged_craigs.html

Markoff placed on suicide watch now!! Oh, poor baby.

Once again, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. And he can't talk about other things he may have done if he's dead.

[barskin&co.]

Julissa was an alcoholic. She also onced worked for the same madam as Ashley Dupre.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/04/19/2009-04-19_madam_kristin_davis_says_slain_masseuse_julissa _brisman_worked_for_her.html

I am an alcoholic, too. So what? I haven't had a drink for years, and she had been in recovery as well for quite some time, apparently.

[aubrey04]

I can't keep from looking for updates on this case. I am not buying that robbery was the only motive. I think there was something sexually motivating (even if he didn't have sex with them - Bundy didn't have sex with his victims - before they died anyway - either).. or it was hatred of women but I do not believe that the sole purpose was robbery.

His alleged crimes are definitely in stark contrast to his looks. I hate to harp on it because we all know by now that killers don't all looks like Marcus Wesson or Richard Allen Davis.. but still, he looks so squeeky clean and nerdy.. Which makes him scarier and more deadly than someone that looks like Wesson or Davis, imo.

What a creep! I hope he gets thrown in the slammer for a long, long time.

[cg007]

I am an alcoholic, too. So what? I haven't had a drink for years, and she had been in recovery as well for quite some time, apparently.


I'm right there with you. Her friend said she was going to AA meetings twice a week. She was probably just trying to make a living and do the next right thing. It's said that he may have thought of her as beneath him.

[interested]

I can't keep from looking for updates on this case. I am not buying that robbery was the only motive. I think there was something sexually motivating (even if he didn't have sex with them - Bundy didn't have sex with his victims - before they died anyway - either).. or it was hatred of women but I do not believe that the sole purpose was robbery.

His alleged crimes are definitely in stark contrast to his looks. I hate to harp on it because we all know by now that killers don't all looks like Marcus Wesson or Richard Allen Davis.. but still, he looks so squeeky clean and nerdy.. Which makes him scarier and more deadly than someone that looks like Wesson or Davis, imo.

What a creep! I hope he gets thrown in the slammer for a long, long time.


There is an article posted yesterday that has statements from a girl he went to elementary/high school with, she said he was a consummate bully. He considered her beneath him, not of his status therefore it was his job to make her miserable. I wonder if it was only women, I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

I expect we'll hear a lot more stories like that as the press digs for information. Betcha dollars to donuts we'll find out it wasn't that he's never been in trouble, but that Grandpa and Dad made sure it all went away like so many prominent families can and do.

Sorry if this has already been posted, I didn't see it here:

LE placed an ad on Craigslist calling for other victims to come forward, they have no interest in prosecuting victims.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/investigators_s.html

[spageddy]

I'm right there with you. Her friend said she was going to AA meetings twice a week. She was probably just trying to make a living and do the next right thing. It's said that he may have thought of her as beneath him.

I'm sure he did. That's why he abused THESE women, and NOT his fiance. IMO.
Bill W has a lot of friends on these boards- including me:thumbup:

[Ralar]

A preliminary match has been made between the semi-automatic handgun found in Philip Markoff's apartment and the weapon used to kill Julissa Brisman.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/sources_prelimi.html

[amb40]

I'm shocked that he wasn't placed on suicide watch to begin with.

imo


I know, exactly! This article says he tried to use his shoelaces!:glare:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/alleged_craigs.html

Does this mean this will be used as a good strategy in the defense's eyes?and have everyone feel sorry for him? OR just more guilty!!!!????

[doradoll]

The police googled Markoff's phone number and found a Craig's List ad offering "Ebony Erotic Massage." The ad indicated the indicidual was taking [his] last appointment and instructed those interested to call Markoff's phone number.

I don't have a link, but I think I saw this info in a Boston Globe article.


Whoa! I wonder what is up with that? His one friend (the weird guy with all the psychological mumbo jumbo) was on Fox news Mon or Tues morning and said Markoff was hostile about women and minorities.

[amb40]

A preliminary match has been made between the semi-automatic handgun found in Philip Markoff's apartment and the weapon used to kill Julissa Brisman.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/sources_prelimi.html


We posted at the same time lol..I just read this. Thanks for the info!! Mr. Markoff's days are numbered. Open and shut case. How will his lawyer defend him now?? Plea deal?????
:crying:

[amb40]

wOW! now there is a Facebook support group supporting this loser? Ugh. How pathetic!!

I cannot believe his fiancee is still standing by him!! per her father passing the message along to the media!!What a mess!!! Maybe NOW she will realize plastic handcuffs/restraints match up to Mr. Smooth and the gun too!!

[doradoll]

http://www.salsbergandschneider.com/attorneys.htm

his lawyer has a lot to go up against

[barskin&co.]

http://www.salsbergandschneider.com/attorneys.htm

his lawyer has a lot to go up against

Yeah, but you know, nobody, except maybe for Markoff's immediate family and his fiancee and the lunatic fringe, thinks he will be acquitted, so if he succeeds in getting any concessions whatsoever, he's ahead. He's going to make a name for himself, and as long as he doesn't try a stunt like Neil Entwistle's mouthpiece did -trying to convince people Rachel killed her baby and herself - he really can't do too much wrong. There are advantages to taking a high profile case that's a total loser, IMO.

[barskin&co.]

wOW! now there is a Facebook support group supporting this loser? Ugh. How pathetic!!

I cannot believe his fiancee is still standing by him!! per her father passing the message along to the media!!What a mess!!! Maybe NOW she will realize plastic handcuffs/restraints match up to Mr. Smooth and the gun too!!

As of July 2008, the estimated population of the USA is 303,824,640. With that many people, even a tiny percentage of wackos can be sizable.

[Adalena935]

Is it me, or does he seem to have the same affect in court as Jeffrey Dahmer? There's obviously much more about him that we will learn. A person doesn't turn into a fiend overnight. I know that I should consider him innocent until he's proven guilty, but there's just too much evidence, both physical, and the I.D. from the other victim, for me to find a reasonable doubt, unless it's "a conspiracy to frame him," which is ludicrous. If there isn't a plea, there will probably be an unsuccessful "I did it but" creative mental health issue defence. Regardless, his life is over. This pretty blond panty collector will not survive prison. As for the fiancée, I do have compassion for her, although having the intelligence to go to med school, I cannot believe that there we no signs that he wasn't the man he was portraying himself to be. She should be thankful that she didn't marry him, get some therapy, and also get some insight into red flags in human character...

Jeff Dahmer crossed my mind too. Just because he had blonde hair though I think. Young, blonde man. shrug

I don't think it's always so easy to know who a person is if they hide themselves.

[barskin&co.]

A preliminary match has been made between the semi-automatic handgun found in Philip Markoff's apartment and the weapon used to kill Julissa Brisman.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/04/sources_prelimi.html

Weeeell, let's face it folks. That's game, set and match. Like I said before, you can be a psychopath and very book smart, but it doesn't mean you're a criminal mastermind. Junior High dropouts would know enough to get rid of the murder weapon, but he kept it in a hollowed out book, like that's something the police could never find.:rolleyes: