April 17, 18, 19

[VII]

Now, about Ronald losing his job.
Bet'cha the company did a "CYA" and had their attorneys to go over their options more than a few times.
His responsiblilty was to keep them informed,
just as anyone else in a time of family crisis.
After all,
he DID have time to get married and take a little trip to NYC.
Distraught?
Calling your employer and keeping them informed couldn't have been more emotionally disturbing.

jmo

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[crymeariver2006]

Now, about Ronald losing his job.
Bet'cha the company did a "CYA" and had their attorneys to go over their options more than a few times.
His responsiblilty was to keep them informed,
just as anyone else in a time of family crisis.
jmo

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You mean like any other "adult" with a job and a family to support is required to do?

[VII]

You mean like any other "adult" with a job and a family to support is required to do?

Yep,
"Cry me a river"

MORNIN'!!

Just had to offer my thoughts before getting ready for my JOB.
Happy Posting!!

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[StickyBeak]

Good Morning, TY for the new thread VII.
It seems the company has given RC enough time to contact them, think I read RC was notified 4/6 of his termination. You would think he would have had some contact with the boss, after all, woulden't there be money needed towards his "family" health benefit payments? Maybe the company paid that for RC during this time with no response from Ronald. I can't fault them. I am sure they considered the publics reaction to their terminating him, we don't know. So now, nobody works that we know of, poor Junior. JMO

[Themis]

Good Morning, TY for the new thread VII.
It seems the company has given RC enough time to contact them, think I read RC was notified 4/6 of his termination. You would think he would have had some contact with the boss, after all, woulden't there be money needed towards his "family" health benefit payments? Maybe the company paid that for RC during this time with no response from Ronald. I can't fault them. I am sure they considered the publics reaction to their terminating him, we don't know. So now, nobody works that we know of, poor Junior. JMO
Well, I hope Ron doesn't sit around waiting for resolution of his legal complaint against his former employer.

He and Misty can both be out looking for jobs immediately. Junior can be babysat by great grandmother Annette Sykes while they work.

Effective 1-1-09, Florida's minimum wage is $7.21 per hour. If they are 'tipped employees' (waiter/waitress) it is 4.19 per hour.

Ron can put buying a new home on hold.
Both of them can enroll in night school; Putnam County has more than one program to suit their needs.
He needs to do whatever is necessary to ensure Junior is put on Medi-caid immediately.
[JMO * Themis]

[Texas48]

Good Morning, TY for the new thread VII.
It seems the company has given RC enough time to contact them, think I read RC was notified 4/6 of his termination. You would think he would have had some contact with the boss, after all, woulden't there be money needed towards his "family" health benefit payments? Maybe the company paid that for RC during this time with no response from Ronald. I can't fault them. I am sure they considered the publics reaction to their terminating him, we don't know. So now, nobody works that we know of, poor Junior. JMO
Good morning ALL..I don't remember hearing the company notified Ron but I can take your word for it. As big as this co. is I feel they would have kept in contact with Ron..its too bad he did not appreciate their actions and all he would have had to do was make a phone call..Ron left the company with no choice imo. From what 51Viking posted yesterday this company gave their employees alot. That is Ron's loss..

[Texas48]

Well, I hope Ron doesn't sit around waiting for resolution of his legal complaint against his former employer.

He and Misty can both be out looking for jobs immediately. Junior can be babysat by great grandmother Annette Sykes while they work.

Effective 1-1-09, Florida's minimum wage is $7.21 per hour. If they are 'tipped employees' (waiter/waitress) it is 4.19 per hour.

Ron can put buying a new home on hold.
Both of them can enroll in night school; Putnam County has more than one program to suit their needs.
He needs to do whatever is necessary to ensure Junior is put on Medi-caid immediately.
[JMO * Themis]He may feel he is doing pretty good where he is at..roof over his head...all that GGM can give them..who knows what is going through his mind..??

[CANDYKISSES]

RESPONDING TO PIA's POST FROM THIS MORNING....

Old 04-17-2009, 12:08 PM
Pia
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: IMO from the beautiful state of Georgia
Posts: 2,897

Seeing what has been happening with Ron's employment the past couple of days maybe they are on to something there...I don't know why Ron didn't go back to work, call or anything but if what he says is true, that they gave him until last Monday, then maybe he has a case....I don't know the labor laws but there may be something to it. Maybe his not calling was because he didn't think he needed to. Do the days that were donated to him from co-workers, add up to the time off until last Monday? It sounds like there has been some really bad communications on both sides.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pia, I am wondering if Ron was told that they would keep his job open and to take the time he needed. Then maybe later in the conversation his supervisor told him he could come back on MONDAY if he wanted to......

WHILE I WOULD NEVER ENDORSE FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE with the VERY PEOPLE who hold the keys to your FINANCES, I can see the possibility of him taking things to the limit with commentary phrased in such a way.

Otherwise, who would possibly think you could return to a job after NO CONTACT AT ALL with YOUR EMPLOYER? I guess I'll wait to offer more on this subject until he consults the other attorney. I've seen field offices not FOLLOW PROTOCOL and have to suck it up and rescind on personnel decisions made by a few higher ups. JMO and I'm going to wait and see what happens there. My guess is he will now file for unemployment too and more will come out that way.

AGAIN, I DO NOT ENDORSE FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE, CRISIS OR NOT. JMO

:rose:Bring Haleigh Cummings home and give the FAMILY A MIRACLE.

[StickyBeak]

Good morning ALL..I don't remember hearing the company notified Ron but I can take your word for it. As big as this co. is I feel they would have kept in contact with Ron..its too bad he did not appreciate their actions and all he would have had to do was make a phone call..Ron left the company with no choice imo. From what 51Viking posted yesterday this company gave their employees alot. That is Ron's loss..

I went back and tried to find original article of his being let go, can't imagine where I got 4/6 from though. You would think the company would atleast send certified letter of their intentions, maybe the last known address RC had did not forward the mail, IF a notice was sent.
I did not know he plans on following up with an attorney on this matter.
No surprise I suppose, JMO

[Texas48]

I went back and tried to find original article of his being let go, can't imagine where I got 4/6 from though. You would think the company would atleast send certified letter of their intentions, maybe the last known address RC had did not forward the mail, IF a notice was sent.
I did not know he plans on following up with an attorney on this matter.
No surprise I suppose, JMOI had not thought about it untill you mentioned it here...it is curious that they(company) would not have sent Ron a certified letter..you are right..I am woundering now maybe he did not put in for change of address and had not checked their mail at the trailer...Interesting...

[Themis]

RESPONDING TO PIA's POST FROM THIS MORNING....

Old 04-17-2009, 12:08 PM
Pia
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: IMO from the beautiful state of Georgia
Posts: 2,897

Seeing what has been happening with Ron's employment the past couple of days maybe they are on to something there...I don't know why Ron didn't go back to work, call or anything but if what he says is true, that they gave him until last Monday, then maybe he has a case....I don't know the labor laws but there may be something to it. Maybe his not calling was because he didn't think he needed to. Do the days that were donated to him from co-workers, add up to the time off until last Monday? It sounds like there has been some really bad communications on both sides.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pia, I am wondering if Ron was told that they would keep his job open and to take the time he needed. Then maybe later in the conversation his supervisor told him he could come back on MONDAY if he wanted to......

WHILE I WOULD NEVER ENDORSE FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE with the VERY PEOPLE who hold the keys to your FINANCES, I can see the possibility of him taking things to the limit with commentary phrased in such a way.

Otherwise, who would possibly think you could return to a job after NO CONTACT AT ALL with YOUR EMPLOYER? I guess I'll wait to offer more on this subject until he consults the other attorney. I've seen field offices not FOLLOW PROTOCOL and have to suck it up and rescind on personnel decisions made by a few higher ups. JMO and I'm going to wait and see what happens there. My guess is he will now file for unemployment too and more will come out that way.
AGAIN, I DO NOT ENDORSE FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE, CRISIS OR NOT. JMO

:rose:Bring Haleigh Cummings home and give the FAMILY A MIRACLE.
<Bolded sentence is mine>

Regarding Ron filing for unemployment, poster BeachPatty wrote:

"there are only 3 reasons that you can collect unemployment in florida, if you voluntarily leave your employment. 1. harrasment 2. pay reduction 3. transfer of a spouse, in the military (only military) and you can produce a copy of the trasnfer orders."

Her complete post:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=13015792&postcount=283


[JMO * Themis}

[crymeariver2006]

I went back and tried to find original article of his being let go, can't imagine where I got 4/6 from though. You would think the company would atleast send certified letter of their intentions, maybe the last known address RC had did not forward the mail, IF a notice was sent.
I did not know he plans on following up with an attorney on this matter.
No surprise I suppose, JMO

IIRC, that's the date his attorney said he was to RTW. Confusing because the news articles indicated that the attorney claimed Ron was to RTW on the Monday after Haleigh's disappearance.

So you didn't dream it, I saw it too!

Right now we don't know what they did or didn't do, however they (PDM) are not mind readers so it was up to Ron to keep them aprised of his situation. I believe he failed to do that, but will wait to see what develops.

[Texas48]

I don't know about a certified letter but one thing I would have done, especially knowing the circumstances, is I would have called Ron and asked if he was planning on coming back to work. I would have had concerns about needing his position filled but knowing what he was going through I would have at least called and asked him. I am not saying that it was their responsibility, but it just goes along with the territory of management.
They say they would have kept his job for him had he called, but what was so difficult about making a phone call to him? Especially now that we have been told that he thinks he still had a job. He got that date from somewhere. Maybe the miscommunication I mentioned earlier was on the inside of that company as well as from Ron and the company.Its strange Pia but when I posted a few minutes ago about the certified letter...I actually wrote ..I woundered why Ron's boss did not call him and ask him what his intentions were as to his job....then I erased that...and forgot to put it back in my post..duh...being that is a small community I would think Ron knows alot of ppl that work along side of him so it is strange there was no contact....but..all said and done..it was Ron's responsibility to check in with his boss..

[crymeariver2006]

I agree Texas...it was his responsibility but if he had made arrangements with someone, I can see why there was no contact. That we will have to wait and see because it is now a he said/he said....

It depends on IF that someone that he MIGHT have made arrangements with are in the position to alter his employment status.

It wouldn't matter if he thought he had "made arrangements", if that person was not authorized to make any such arrangements, then those "arrangements" are null and void.

I am doubtful such arrangements were made. But that's just me.

I believe we will learn PDM was well within their legal right to dismiss him as per their contract (that he signed) that he could be terminated "with or without cause".

[titanfan217]

We don't know when the company replaced RC, however it apparently happened before April 6.

That would have set up a flag that RC wasn't coming back. If anyone had information that he expected to come back, I suspect that would have been brought out then.

I wish RC had gone back to work. I wanted to see whether we'd start getting reports about her being out, partying etc.

[Texas48]

I agree Texas...it was his responsibility but if he had made arrangements with someone, I can see why there was no contact. That we will have to wait and see because it is now a he said/he said....lol..when isn't it..he said/she said..lol

[Texas48]

We don't know when the company replaced RC, however it apparently happened before April 6.

That would have set up a flag that RC wasn't coming back. If anyone had information that he expected to come back, I suspect that would have been brought out then.

I wish RC had gone back to work. I wanted to see whether we'd start getting reports about her being out, partying etc.It seems like ppl that worked w/Ron would have called him iF his position was filled on or before April 6th..I not saying his boss..I am saying his co-workers...

[Texas48]

We don't know when the company replaced RC, however it apparently happened before April 6.

That would have set up a flag that RC wasn't coming back. If anyone had information that he expected to come back, I suspect that would have been brought out then.

I wish RC had gone back to work. I wanted to see whether we'd start getting reports about her being out, partying etc.
Do you think Misty would be able to *go out* and do as she wanted to with GGM sitting there watching..?? I sure would not want to get her back up if u kwim..and Misty is much smaller that me..One smack from GGM and Misty would be picking herself up off the floor..Not a laughing matter but..would be interesting to watch..lol..

[titanfan217]

It seems like ppl that worked w/Ron would have called him iF his position was filled on or before April 6th..I not saying his boss..I am saying his co-workers...


They may have figured the same thing -- he's not coming back, and after his stay out of my business comments, didn't want to get involved.

Actually I've never heard anything from any of his co-workers.

Shortly before I retired, I was caught in the middle of something just the opposite -- I accidentally told our manager that her administrative assistant had not left on vacation, but had retired and wasn't coming back.

[crymeariver2006]

Do you think Misty would be able to *go out* and do as she wanted to with GGM sitting there watching..?? I sure would not want to get her back up if u kwim..and Misty is much smaller that me..One smack from GGM and Misty would be picking herself up off the floor..Not a laughing matter but..would be interesting to watch..lol..

Don't forget - GGM Sykes is "old school"!

:biggrin:

[beachpatty]

http://www.cbs12.com/news/cummings_4716967___article.html/haleigh_ronald.html

"The focus began to turn toward Haleigh's parents when a heated interview on national television put Ronald Cummings on the defensive."

Just an excerpt from the article. I wonder where this reporter got his/her information. Is it speculation on the reporter's part concerning the focus being redirected towards the parents or did this reporter get it straight from law enforcement's mouth?

When he mentions the fact that Ron became defensive I wonder why he then says the focus was turned on the "parents?" Maybe Ron and Misty? In my opinion, Ron's defensiveness point's to Ron's guilt, and his only.

My opinion

@ this point i think ron and misty are considered a unit, they are both "in for a penny, in for a pound", especially since the expedited nuptials. If they know anything at all, they both know.

moo
beachpatty

[Texas48]

Don't forget - GGM Sykes is "old school"!

:biggrin:Thats right! I had forgotten about that remark..so ...GGM will go get a tree trunk and wallop her butt...I would pay to watch GGM get a hold of that little girl but I bet Misty knows better than to mess with GGM. They must all get along pretty good together..all kidding aside I am glad Jr is there with her..

[cat3]

Since none of us really know any of the player in this horrible situation, we have to go by court records which I also know are NOT always all the facts or the truth. Been there, bought the tee shirt. Luckily you always have the right to go back with proof and prove the lies.
I have a three year old in my home with her dad and he had to make trips from Florida to Kentucky and he could have been vindictive and had here teaching license. All he wanted was his daughter safe. He has allowed her to even see her and continues to allow her to talk to this women. I am NOT as forgiving if it was up to me she would never hear anything about this beautiful little girl. But she is his daughter and I respect him enough to figure he knows what is best for his child. I know she is what is important, not the adults. I have admitted children are my weakness.
So IMO if things were as bad as Crystal's claim, NOTHING or NOBODY would have stoped her from fighting for her children, especially only less then 2 hours apart.

I agree with the last sentence in your post,bam bam.We can all sit here and talk about the how the abused woman might react to her abuser,but you don't just leave kids to fend for themselves,IF the situation is really that dangerous.You have to rise above your own feelings and safety when kids are involved.
Personally,I feel sorry for Ron IF he is innocent of all these claims.His reputation has taken a hard hit,and I'm not sure he will be able to find another job,at least not in the area where he currently lives.If all this is proven to be false.....some have a lot to answer for.You can go to any message board and read the comments,and out of a hundred comments,only three or so speak out in support of Ron.That tells me that the public will buy what they are fed and need no proof to say the most awful things imaginable about people they don't even know.IMO

[JackiBlu]

I agree with the last sentence in your post,bam bam.We can all sit here and talk about the how the abused woman might react to her abuser,but you don't just leave kids to fend for themselves,IF the situation is really that dangerous.You have to rise above your own feelings and safety when kids are involved.
Personally,I feel sorry for Ron IF he is innocent of all these claims.His reputation has taken a hard hit,and I'm not sure he will be able to find another job,at least not in the area where he currently lives.If all this is proven to be false.....some have a lot to answer for.You can go to any message board and read the comments,and out of a hundred comments,only three or so speak out in support of Ron.That tells me that the public will buy what they are fed and need no proof to say the most awful things imaginable about people they don't even know.IMO

So true cat. Great post!!!!!

JMO

[cat3]

So true cat. Great post!!!!!

JMO

Thanks,JackiBlu.

[Texas48]

YW I know the signs of abuse too well now. as I have stated before my daughter went thru a similar situation...took years to get her out of there...after she got out, we found out he had sexually molested my grand daughter, as well as finding out he had choked her on numerous occasions...she also wanted to give up several times and I had to step in and inform her that she couldn't afford to give up...believe it or not the judge would not here about what he did to my GD until he was found guilty...he has since been indicted on three counts and finally after three years he still has supervised visits with his other child, My grand son. He still hasn't gone to court on the other charges yet. That is why I am glad Crystal has an attorney and they can sort all of this out and KP can advise her as to what the judge will be looking for. I know I got o/t here but had to find out about how the system works the hard way myself.IMONo need to worry about going O/T grma..actually this is a case where there has been abuse talked about so as far as I can see..your pretty much on topic....I just hope KP can help Crystal in standing up for herself..She reminds me of a beaten down dog(just a saying) and she needs to pick herself up and stand tall..I really think her mother may not have installed as much in Crystal. I see Crystal's mother as strong but not Crystal..very unusual imo..Be strong grma...

[CANDYKISSES]

With all due respect, just because something "rings true" does not mean it is. I can't speak for Bam Bam but grma hasn't been told to prove anything. I accept her word because she had no reason to even bring it here....And that she even had the courage to bring something like that here...why open herself up to the things that could be said here if it wasn't true?
Crystal on the other hand had ample opportunity to bring proof to the court but she didn't even try.

Pia, having stood beside a friend who went the whole gambit to save her children and herself from an abusive marriage and having worked in our local shelter for many years now, I can tell you there are more than just a few women who make false allegations for a variety of reasons IMO.

I don't put much credence in Crystal's allegations first and foremost because of her decision to put herself first and the selfish decision to move hours away and have yet another child. These are not actions of a woman who has been beaten down and on the run. These actions speak to a woman who wanted more from life, made some poor decisions and would like to now fix things up so she looks better.

FGS, she herself has allegedly told her attorney she put Ron Jr. on NATIONAL TV so people could see her as a better parent.....:rolleyes:. It is what it is and until people started questioning her not having custody of the children she was singing the praises of their biological father who has maintained custody of them for the past few years IMO.

My godchild's mother tells a pretty sad story and you would be taken in with it if you didn't know she wanted to party and couldn't find childcare for late nights, ultimately losing custody to their father. I've seen her try several doozies from calling him to talk and asking him to violate a court order so they could talk about reconciling, only to pull the phone out of the wall and scream as she was calling 911 claiming he was after her, or the same kind of story asking him to bring her some money for formula at the local grocery store only to call in another alleged attack for 911.

It has been a horrendous roller coaster ride for the families, but finally the court saw through some of this and removed the children. JMO, but Crystal has never given me the impression of being the timid DVV and I'm not buying it now.

HALEIGH AND JUNIOR DESERVED BETTER PERIOD. :wub:

[Texas48]

No problem, I don't allow anyone to upset me anymore. If I get aggravated I know now how to leave the board for awhile. I learned that at camp. LOLIMO..both of you are *good debaters*..I choose to think we are here discussing..not arguring. We all have different opinions which is what makes us human..I believe we may even learn from one another even tho we don't admitt it. There is nothing wrong with a good debate..difference of opinions as long as we keep one thought in mind and that is Haleigh.None of us would be here on this board even with different opinions about the players if we didn't CARE about a little girl named Haleigh.

[aproudmom]

I had not thought about it untill you mentioned it here...it is curious that they(company) would not have sent Ron a certified letter..you are right..I am woundering now maybe he did not put in for change of address and had not checked their mail at the trailer...Interesting...

I know someone on this board called them awhile back to find out the hours they worked and if RC was still a employee and the women on the phone said he was no longer a employee..we was not sure if they were just sick of getting calls or what..but I do remember that very well...

[forensicfan]

I'm curious about the findings of this case from LE. Does anyone know if there are document dumps with the facts of what LE has found listed? I scanned the links briefly but I didn't really go through them.

If there are any of the doc dumps in there, please let me know and I'll look more carefully for them.

I'm anxious for Gayle St. John to arrive and see what she has to say about what she feels about this case.

[cat3]

I agree with you,CK that Crystal can play the victim when need be,and I'm not trashing her as I know she must be suffering with the loss of Haleigh,but I would have had more respect for Crystal and KP if they had worked behind the scenes versus appearing on TV and trashing RC.For me it doesn't ring true that Crystal is a victim of DV or that the children were abused because in the beginning Crystal had nothing bad to say about RC.Some posters say that Crystal found out things about Ron after she went to Satsuma,but how do the pictures of Haleigh with a bruised face work with that theory? Those pics were taken before Crystal went to Satsuma.Why,(if Crystal and Marie thought the photos showed abuse) didn't they file a police report,and go back to court and try to regain custody of the children? IMO

[psbperu]

Now, about Ronald losing his job.
Bet'cha the company did a "CYA" and had their attorneys to go over their options more than a few times.
His responsiblilty was to keep them informed,
just as anyone else in a time of family crisis.
After all,
he DID have time to get married and take a little trip to NYC.
Distraught?
Calling your employer and keeping them informed couldn't have been more emotionally disturbing.

jmo

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Hey, Hey VII:

Good to see you.

Love the use of the word "distraught"...so appropo.

If you can get married & take a trip to NY...surely you can call your employer. There is no excuse. My suspicion meter remains in the red zone as to the newlyweds.

[CANDYKISSES]

Because seeker it happens everyday. Women are just as bad today as men. Look at the case of little Sandra in CA. Why?? God only knows...:crying:

The idea of anyone trying to use passive aggressive veiled personal attacks isn't foreign here, but not well received IMO.

You're correct BamBam, there are more and more women reducing themselves to false allegations of sexual assault as well as domestic violence. The really sad part is that these false allegations make it so much worse for the real victims of domestic violence and THEY OFTEN DO JUST GIVE UP, but not without fighting for their children or going on the run with them IMOO.

The early days in the case with Marie standing in front of, beside and behind almost pushing Crystal are not forgotten by this poster. There are some women who know how to manipulate the system and I think a woman who is capable of FILING A FALSE REPORT OF A FELONY is not a wilting flower who knows nothing of the system.

Crystal was piping up in 2005 stating she had medical assistance for the child/children, YET SHE JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE GETTING OUT OF BED SOMETIMES when it came to making the appointments.

JMO, but this set of biological parents did indeed fail the children with THEIR DRUG USE and putting themselves first. Going on to have another child and still sitting in the same kind of situation is evidence of a woman not seeking a change from what I see. The inconsistencies in her story about CHILD SUPPORT can only be put up to inability to be honest IMO. :thumbdown:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME.

[panache]

PDM Group Terms of Employment!

https://www.siteprosecure.com/com/pdmbridge/www/index.cfm?event=terms

Pay attention to Investigative Reports!!!

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree with you,CK that Crystal can play the victim when need be,and I'm not trashing her as I know she must be suffering with the loss of Haleigh,but I would have had more respect for Crystal and KP if they had worked behind the scenes versus appearing on TV and trashing RC.For me it doesn't ring true that Crystal is a victim of DV or that the children were abused because in the beginning Crystal had nothing bad to say about RC.Some posters say that Crystal found out things about Ron after she went to Satsuma,but how do the pictures of Haleigh with a bruised face work with that theory? Those pics were taken before Crystal went to Satsuma.Why,(if Crystal and Marie thought the photos showed abuse) didn't they file a police report,and go back to court and try to regain custody of the children? IMO

Those are questions I have too Cat, and quite honestly I believe Ron and Crystal will both look back with heavy hearts knowing they could have made better decisions from day one regarding their children. Some of this I file under youthful bad judgment for BOTH of them and I do see Ron as controlling and certainly not my cup of tea, but she made two children with him and went on to have another child after moving away without her children. There is no denying that and it does break my heart to think of how different things could have been if there was shared custody and the parents lived close where things were always going back and forth. JMO.

I don't see either one as fit for parenting between Ron and his acting out during this and the lack of maturity in many facets and Crystal who would put Junior in the eyes of a NATION for personal gain or not getting the seizure issues checked out before a fender bender.

IMO both biological parents should be mandated to COUNSELING by DCF as the investigation is ongoing so that Junior is getting what he needs from both of them. But again, that is JMO and nothing more.

I pray every day for Haleigh to be one of those miracle children returned unharmed, but each day it looks more and more bleak from my POV.

[CANDYKISSES]

I know someone on this board called them awhile back to find out the hours they worked and if RC was still a employee and the women on the phone said he was no longer a employee..we was not sure if they were just sick of getting calls or what..but I do remember that very well...

I've also seen articles linked here with comment areas where people posted about calling them about things like DONATIONS....and we don't even know what they may or may not have given to the Cummings family. JMO tho. :unsure:

Just imagine with the anger and passion some have.....the idea of calling the EMPLOYER and telling them Ron is doing this or that and that they shouldn't give to him anymore.....:ohmy:

JMO but what a mess.

And then HALEIGH IS STILL MISSING THROUGH ALL OF THIS...:wub:

[cat3]

Those are questions I have too Cat, and quite honestly I believe Ron and Crystal will both look back with heavy hearts knowing they could have made better decisions from day one regarding their children. Some of this I file under youthful bad judgment for BOTH of them and I do see Ron as controlling and certainly not my cup of tea, but she made two children with him and went on to have another child after moving away without her children. There is no denying that and it does break my heart to think of how different things could have been if there was shared custody and the parents lived close where things were always going back and forth. JMO.

I don't see either one as fit for parenting between Ron and his acting out during this and the lack of maturity in many facets and Crystal who would put Junior in the eyes of a NATION for personal gain or not getting the seizure issues checked out before a fender bender.

IMO both biological parents should be mandated to COUNSELING by DCF as the investigation is ongoing so that Junior is getting what he needs from both of them. But again, that is JMO and nothing more.

I pray every day for Haleigh to be one of those miracle children returned unharmed, but each day it looks more and more bleak from my POV.

I was thinking about that just the other day.Most of us on this board are older than the players in this case,and we are judging them from our experience.I think a lot of it,as you said,comes down to their youth and it's hard for some of us to relate or understand the actions of both Crystal and Ron.I'm sure they will look back and say 'what if' about some of the choices they have made.I do think that Ron made an effort for his children,and Crystal....not so much that I can see as of yet.Some tout KP as helping Crystal and being this great defender and spokesperson for women,but I see a user when I see KP in action.
I have hope for Haleigh,but have to admit that it isn't likely that she is safe and alive somewhere.I also hope that the courts will do what is best for Jr,but hope they base it on fact,and are not swayed by public opinion.IMO

[Ice Cycle]

IMO there will be no doc dumps until and if there is an arrest, Even then I don't look for LE in this County to release like Orange county. MOO
I am also looking forward for Gayle St. John to arrive. That should put some attention back on Haleigh.

Thought I would step in here,
It might unless the parents have more drama that needs reporting.

[cat3]

Lots of good points cat, also proves my point Crystal is always waiting for someone to do something for her. Crystal has no initiative of her own.

Thanks,bam bam.I posted about Crystal's need to grow a spine not to long ago on this board.I suppose with a mother like Marie she never really had to speak for herself.IMO

[cat3]

Cat her Mom may have never allowed her to speak for herself, if so, that in itself is sad. A form of child abuse IMO..

Marie probably thinks she's helping Crystal and wants to protect her,but I agree,she isn't doing Crystal any favors by speaking for her.IMO

[teresa]

Thanks,bam bam.I posted about Crystal's need to grow a spine not to long ago on this board.I suppose with a mother like Marie she never really had to speak for herself.IMO

cat, I think anyone who thinks that Crystal has no spine and can't speak for herself needs to go watch that video again of the afternoon the media reported (wrongly) that LE couldn't find her to do a DNA test.

She wasn't the least bit scared to go on TV mad as he11 about that. I saw the angry Crystal in that video and I don't think she is nearly as meek and beaten down as some want to portray her now. This angry video was recorded while the dumpster search was going on nearby but her only concern was telling the viewers how pi**ed off she was.

[cat3]

A lot of bad stuff happening in Florida lately.Yikes. I read that an SO used to live in the MH where Ron and family lived.No link and I'm not sure if it is true,so IMO

[cat3]

cat, I think anyone who thinks that Crystal has no spine and can't speak for herself needs to go watch that video again of the afternoon the media reported (wrongly) that LE couldn't find her to do a DNA test.

She wasn't the least bit scared to go on TV mad as he11 about that. I saw the angry Crystal in that video and I don't think she is nearly as meek and beaten down as some want to portray her now. This angry video was recorded while the dumpster search was going on nearby but her only concern was telling the viewers how pi**ed off she was.

Oh I do remember that,teresa.Crystal kept saying she was really mad and was focused on how mad she was versus focusing on the dumpster search.At the time....I was like 'get over it Crystal' they might find Haleigh in a dumpster,for heavens sake.IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I was thinking about that just the other day.Most of us on this board are older than the players in this case,and we are judging them from our experience.I think a lot of it,as you said,comes down to their youth and it's hard for some of us to relate or understand the actions of both Crystal and Ron.I'm sure they will look back and say 'what if' about some of the choices they have made.I do think that Ron made an effort for his children,and Crystal....not so much that I can see as of yet.Some tout KP as helping Crystal and being this great defender and spokesperson for women,but I see a user when I see KP in action.
I have hope for Haleigh,but have to admit that it isn't likely that she is safe and alive somewhere.I also hope that the courts will do what is best for Jr,but hope they base it on fact,and are not swayed by public opinion.IMO

Well stated Cat. I don't see KP in a positive role at all here. I feel she has been in a self-serving role and brought in a few of her friends too thinking she could get the kind of attention the Anthony case has garnered. Dear Lord, I'm hoping that is not the new model case for those walking in the sad shoes of parents with missing children. JMO.:crying:

Certainly there has to be somewhere in between where the two people most involved in a child's life are NOT TEARING EACH OTHER APART IMO. :sad: I really didn't see Ron wanting to go there and only saw Crystal go there because people started questioning WHY she did not have custody. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Cat her Mom may have never allowed her to speak for herself, if so, that in itself is sad. A form of child abuse IMO..

I can see where you're coming from, but I see it as a symptom present in dysfunctional families and think it's more of enabling, but that's JMO. :sad:

[cat3]

Well stated Cat. I don't see KP in a positive role at all here. I feel she has been in a self-serving role and brought in a few of her friends too thinking she could get the kind of attention the Anthony case has garnered. Dear Lord, I'm hoping that is not the new model case for those walking in the sad shoes of parents with missing children. JMO.:crying:

Certainly there has to be somewhere in between where the two people most involved in a child's life are NOT TEARING EACH OTHER APART IMO. :sad: I really didn't see Ron wanting to go there and only saw Crystal go there because people started questioning WHY she did not have custody. JMO

KP is high drama.I still remember her children beaten bloody comment.She is full of it in my opinion,and I also think she is hoping for the attention that this case would bring.
I think for the most part Ron has tried to keep the focus on Haleigh.He said from the start that it wasn't about custody.The only comment he made about Crystal was while on the Today show.IMO

[Texas48]

Thank You so much for this soothing post, Texas48.
Nah..it was nothing seeker...just felt alittle weapie (sp)..I'll be back to normal soon..lol..lol..

[StickyBeak]

I thought Gail St. John was flying into Orlando and then on to Immokalee for Adji. Is she also coming to palatka for Haleigh? This is great news, somebody doing something. This LE is either not releasing any info. or has nothing, just stopped. Wasn't it earlier reported the budget was an issue and many surrounding counties were contributing their research efforts to help. Wonder what happened. I have a hard time beliving that because of the "Family Feud" they lost focus, there seemed to be plenty of other crazies coming out of the woodwork. Perhaps they did not want another expose' like CA in Orlando, JMO
I pray this little girl is found.

[crymeariver2006]

Seeker, you appear to be such a strong advocate for Crystal that you believe her over GGM, may I ask you why?
You also write "we really have no idea what Crystal tried to do, in and out of court. To state that "she didn't even try" is assumption on your part, and not fair, in my opinion. We can look at court documentation. She did try and she sure is trying now, with the help of a strong advocate and attorney."
Can you explain what exactly Crystal has done for herself since she lost custody of her children other then calling FDCS and since Ron still maintains custody allegations were on that, allegations.
Now lets talk about "she sure is trying now, with the help of a strong advocate and attorney".
What do you think will happen to Crystal when her attorney is no longer around to make Crystal the victim?? I have seen NOTHING Crystal has done herself. Nothing....
She has allowed her attorney take control of her life,she could not even stand up to the stress of staying at the Haleigh bug store. yes I call it a store because this Regan guy, is operating it. He just needed her body there to make it look legit....
Sorry, but either Crystal has no BACK BONE or is just a follower and only does what she is told to do.When there are children around, someone has to be a leader to get things done. I believe Ron had to step up to the plate alone and that does NOT make him a abusive person.
IMO Crystal will Never take any responsibility for herself or her actions. Is the Haleigh house still open? Does Crystal ever go there anymore?
Did her mother or Father insist she attend the court hearing or did she take the initiative to go? My guess is she would never have showed up if it were not for her parents insisting.
I see nothing in Crystal's life right up thru today that makes her any different then when she was 14 and her parents allowed her to become the person she is today. Someone who needs to take her by the hand and tell her what to do.
All this is my own opinion..

Hmmmm, weren't you in here last night complaining about the "slinging"?

Or is it only "slinging" when people question Ron and his "activities"?

[Texas48]

Hi Tex (can I call you that?),

It looks like Bam Bam might be signed off. Doing crafts sounds like a relaxing thing to be doing. Sorry you were sad. Hope you're feeling better now. This is all a bit much and still no news about Haliegh.

Oh..thanks for your *caring* ways seeker..Not really sad sad..listening to grma and her troubles makes one want to reach out and give her a hug..kwim? I'm talking about *OUR* poster grma..lol..Its always sad and a shame when anyone has these problems w/families and especially children involved..Sounds like they are blessed to have someone like *grma* I wounder how little children survive with what grownups throw at them..but they seem to bounce right back..or most of them do..some do not..

[CANDYKISSES]

Has Ron been arrested yet for child abuse?

Has Crystal caught up on her back child support yet?

Is Jr still living with Ron?

Has Crystal filed for custody of Jr yet?

and where on Gods green earth is Haleigh? :(


NO, NO, YES, NO, and sadly I don't know where precious Haleigh is FA!:crying: jmo

[panache]

Looks like Sheriff Hardy has had a busy week. Maybe its time to allow volunteers to search for Haleigh he seems to have a full plate. I wish he would reconsider, perhaps if the families pleaded it could happen. The tips seem to be leading to dead ends.


http://public.pcso.us/jail/booking.aspx


moo

[CANDYKISSES]

I hate cases like this. I have no clue what could have happen to Haleigh. I hope she comes home soon though........

Me too FA. I keep hoping something will break and just maybe it's not too late for a miracle as far as Haleigh is concerned. :wub: She has the sweetest little face, and it brings tears to even think about someone harming that child. :crying:

I keep thinking someone would have broken by now if there was any CREDIBLE INFORMATION leading to who is responsible for her abduction given there was a reward offered. I can't imagine LE wouldn't have been able to crack Misty by now and it appears that hasn't happened either, so I'm left leaning on the abduction by an offender (registered or not) but am no more sure of anything than you are FA. JMO

I see someone put the bookings in the county up for this week. :confused:

[panache]

Mine in blue

Well that's a hoot. You asked four questions on a previous post, and you already had the answers set in your mind. Interesting.

moo

[CANDYKISSES]

Well that's a hoot. You asked four questions on a previous post, and you already had the answers set in your mind. Interesting.

moo

Can't compete with you putting the booking list for the county up as tho it has anything to do with HALEIGH CUMMINGS being MISSING IMO. :sad:

[panache]

Can't compete with you putting the booking list for the county up as tho it has anything to do with HALEIGH CUMMINGS being MISSING IMO. :sad:

I thought it was pretty relevant. It shows what LE has been tied up with. Its keeping them busy, maybe not enough manpower available to conduct further searches.

moo

[CANDYKISSES]

I thought it was pretty relevant. It shows what LE has been tied up with. Its keeping them busy, maybe not enough manpower available to conduct further searches.

moo


I think LE would put the word out if they needed an assist regarding their work load, especially given they just made the biggest drug bust in the history of their county and had much help. But hey, that is JMO.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19213343/detail.html#-


Noteworthy is that many different AGENCIES WORKED TOGETHER. Check out the names....:sneaky: jmo

[teresa]

I thought it was pretty relevant. It shows what LE has been tied up with. Its keeping them busy, maybe not enough manpower available to conduct further searches.

moo

panache, from what local posters on another board say, they are still searching. With five (I believe) surrounding counties offering their manpower and also their days off, LE has no excuse not to search for Haleigh.

I think about Tim Miller saying "she is not here" and I wonder what LE knows that we don't. Or think they know.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Anyone know where Ron and Misty have been lately?

Nary a word or plea for the missing child that I have seen

Have they moved on?

[TaraCrazyHair]

Me too FA. I keep hoping something will break and just maybe it's not too late for a miracle as far as Haleigh is concerned. :wub: She has the sweetest little face, and it brings tears to even think about someone harming that child. :crying:

I keep thinking someone would have broken by now if there was any CREDIBLE INFORMATION leading to who is responsible for her abduction given there was a reward offered. I can't imagine LE wouldn't have been able to crack Misty by now and it appears that hasn't happened either, so I'm left leaning on the abduction by an offender (registered or not) but am no more sure of anything than you are FA. JMO

I see someone put the bookings in the county up for this week. :confused:

I wonder if Misty has even gone in for any more questioning since the last time she walked out, because the new detective was rude to her

[panache]

I think LE would put the word out if they needed an assist regarding their work load, especially given they just made the biggest drug bust in the history of their county and had much help. But hey, that is JMO.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19213343/detail.html#-


Noteworthy is that many different AGENCIES WORKED TOGETHER. Check out the names....:sneaky: jmo

That's wonderful news. Thanks for sharing. What the heck is going on in Putnam County with all these drug cases> I noticed the last five or six arrests on the link I posted were for cocaine possession or trafficking.

[panache]

panache, from what local posters on another board say, they are still searching. With five (I believe) surrounding counties offering their manpower and also their days off, LE has no excuse not to search for Haleigh.

I think about Tim Miller saying "she is not here" and I wonder what LE knows that we don't. Or think they know.

That's good news, do you happen to know where they are searching? There hasn't been any mention of it on the news.

I too, have been curious about Tim's statement. One of the mysteries of this case.

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder if Misty has even gone in for any more questioning since the last time she walked out, because the new detective was rude to her

Hopefully she has been considering the idea of GETTING AN ATTORNEY and then LE won't call her a liar when they are asking for information. She needs legal counsel so she can be completely honest if she has not been. JMO tho. We don't know for sure what has really gone on until they release some of the transcripts of the interviews. :sad:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Hopefully she has been considering the idea of GETTING AN ATTORNEY and then LE won't call her a liar when they are asking for information. She needs legal counsel so she can be completely honest if she has not been. JMO tho. We don't know for sure what has really gone on until they release some of the transcripts of the interviews. :sad:

I find it interesting there have been no claims by attorneys offering their help to her

Usually they come crawling out of the woodwork

[teresa]

That's good news, do you happen to know where they are searching? There hasn't been any mention of it on the news.

I too, have been curious about Tim's statement. One of the mysteries of this case.

It's just searches based on specific tips. They state the areas but I'm not from down there so I don't know where they are. None have been water searches that I've read of if that helps.

[panache]

I find it interesting there have been no claims by attorneys offering their help to her

Usually they come crawling out of the woodwork

Interesting to me is that Ron's attys. did not make it a package deal. Why omit Misty? Should Misty get an atty. it could pose a conflict of interest between the newlyweds I would think.

moo

[TaraCrazyHair]

I'm not sure but I think RC's lawyers are for the abuse allegations and/or for custody.

As for Misty, no one knows yet what kind of an attorney she would need.
jmo


Criminal?

Just a thought

Her inconsistencies would warrant an arrest in most cases

[titanfan217]

Interesting to me is that Ron's attys. did not make it a package deal. Why omit Misty? Should Misty get an atty. it could pose a conflict of interest between the newlyweds I would think.

moo

From what I remember, RC's attorney is for any custody/abuse issues. If I understood correctly, they even referred him to someone else 'cause he thinks he was released from his job unfairly.

It's been awhile since I've had any legal courses. For the record, I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV. I believe that they would recommend each person would have his own attorney to prevent any potential conflict of interest in the future.

MC has already said that attorneys are for guilty people so she doesn't need one anyhow.

I've also wondered whether LE has talked to her since the marriage. I've heard she refused. The only way I can see them not contacting her is that they have everything they need from her. Perhaps what she didn't say tells 'em more than what she did.

[TaraCrazyHair]

I didn't know you could be arrested for inconsistencies.



Does the most recent name in the news, Melissa Huckaby, ring a bell?

It was her inconsistencies that led to her arrest

[forensicfan]

I didn't know you could be arrested for inconsistencies.

I don't think you can.

I've seen enough true crime stories where LE have been suspicious of someone but without something concrete or at least a lot circumstantial evidence pointing to a suspect, they cannot secure a warrant for an arrest.

Wasn't there a guy just released from prison today who spent 26 years or so behind bars for a murder DNA proved he did not commit? Suspicion is not enough IMO.

[forensicfan]

Does the most recent name in the news, Melissa Huckaby, ring a bell?

It was her inconsistencies that led to her arrest

LE has said that they are not releasing what they have against Melissa Huckaby. They have more than mere inconsistencies.

[CANDYKISSES]

Does the most recent name in the news, Melissa Huckaby, ring a bell?

It was her inconsistencies that led to her arrest

I think she broke within the five hour mark IIRC and that interview was preceded by Melissa interjecting herself into the CASE via a MEDIA INTERVIEW from what I remember. Apples and oranges Tara. I see no comparison, but that's JMO. :confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't think you can.

I've seen enough true crime stories where LE have been suspicious of someone but without something concrete or at least a lot circumstantial evidence pointing to a suspect, they cannot secure a warrant for an arrest.

Wasn't there a guy just released from prison today who spent 26 years or so behind bars for a murder DNA proved he did not commit? Suspicion is not enough IMO.


Your last sentence says it all FF! How tragic to think about 26 years of your life just gone.....:sad:

[forensicfan]

Your last sentence says it all FF! How tragic to think about 26 years of your life just gone.....:sad:

I know! He is one of many that has been found innocent after years of incarceration before DNA.

I'll try to find the link. I saw it on the news earlier today.

[CANDYKISSES]

LE has said that they are not releasing what they have against Melissa Huckaby. They have more than mere inconsistencies.

You bet they do FF, and from some early reports, I BELIEVE she completely broke down at the end when she ALLEGEDLY claimed it an ACCIDENT.....:cursing: JMO at this point. :thumbdown:

[TaraCrazyHair]

I think she broke within the five hour mark IIRC and that interview was preceded by Melissa interjecting herself into the CASE via a MEDIA INTERVIEW from what I remember. Apples and oranges Tara. I see no comparison, but that's JMO. :confused:

She never confessed

She had inconsistent statements

Other factors too

But when she was arrested it was based on her inconsistent statements

It has been done many times .. especially when they suspect you

And in my opinion, that fits what we have heard from both Ron and especially Misty


If LE has absolutely nothing more to find this little girl, then I say arrest her and learn the truth

At least get some headway!

This is going cold and that is a shame

Nite

[forensicfan]

Here is that link

http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10203663&nav=menu83_2

[TaraCrazyHair]

You bet they do FF, and from some early reports, I BELIEVE she completely broke down at the end when she ALLEGEDLY claimed it an ACCIDENT.....:cursing: JMO at this point. :thumbdown:


I never heard she broke down and claimed an accident?

That is paramount to a confession which we have yet to hear she did

Link?

TIA

Back in the morning ... my sneezy head is going to sleep

(Nyquil to the rescue!!)

[panache]

From what I remember, RC's attorney is for any custody/abuse issues. If I understood correctly, they even referred him to someone else 'cause he thinks he was released from his job unfairly.

It's been awhile since I've had any legal courses. For the record, I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV. I believe that they would recommend each person would have his own attorney to prevent any potential conflict of interest in the future.

MC has already said that attorneys are for guilty people so she doesn't need one anyhow.

I've also wondered whether LE has talked to her since the marriage. I've heard she refused. The only way I can see them not contacting her is that they have everything they need from her. Perhaps what she didn't say tells 'em more than what she did.

You could be right, referring to your last sentence. That woke me up, lol.

I'm still of the mind the drug sweep going on in Putnam County is going
to reveal something. Two of the arrests look like kingpins.As Curtis Silwa of the Guardian Angels has said often, when something like this occurs, someone could have rolled over some information. (paraphrasing Curtis).

moo

[CANDYKISSES]

Here is that link

http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=10203663&nav=menu83_2

Thank you FF. Going to read and will return in the AM. :thumbup:

[panache]

IIRC... Ron's attorneys are there to represent him in a child abuse case?

Misty says she doesn't need/want a lawyer.
She says she didn't do it (which IMO means she wouldn't hurt Haleigh).
Maybe she doesn't feel the need..?

Ron and Misty may not feel responsibility for Haleigh's disappearance.
..if they didn't do it..... why would they?
... Except for the natural guilt most parents would feel in this case.



But what is the *IT* they claim they didn't do? That's the 64 thousand dollar question.

moo

[bookie]

I thought it was just Misty who said "I didn't do it". To me, it means she had nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. Then again, who knows?


I think too much is being read into that "it".

[panache]

I thought it was just Misty who said "I didn't do it". To me, it means she had nothing to do with Haleigh being missing. Then again, who knows?

I was quoting the poster. She claimed *Ron and Misty* both made the statement.

Anyone know who this Daytona Beach Atty. may be?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/amberalerts/news-article.aspx?storyid=136044&catid=295

[panache]

"I didn't do it " is a strange remark, imo. It sounds like she knows what happened and is insisting that she isn't the one who did it.

Yes, it sounds like an*event* to me.
Very strange description.

moo

[bookie]

"I didn't do it " is a strange remark, imo. It sounds like she knows what happened and is insisting that she isn't the one who did it.

Obviously something happened to Haleigh. It could mean literally anything but imo in Misti's mind it is whatever happened and not specific.

[panache]

I thought I read in an earlier statement that his work may have referred him to this company.
Not really sure tho.

Thanks. I thought it was Ron's atty. who gave him the referral.

[titanfan217]

Hi Titanfan217,

Isn't it interesting that the law firm was possibly already considering the fact that there could be a conflict of interest? I guess that is what they are paid to do and it just seems strange because of their announcement as soon as Ron became their client.

The walking out on questioning and the possibility that they are finished talking with Misty does speak volumes, I think.

Then again, speculation is all we really have. Time will tell, and in the meantime, we just get to bounce things off of one another.

My opinions


Hi Seeker

There appears to be some pretty strict stuff about attorneys & conflict of interest.

Once I was buying out a partner in what I call the real estate from hell -- bad mistake on my part, but I learned. Anyhow x-partner had other legal issues and asked my attorney to represent him. My attorney had to get my permission. I don't think he actually did it, but I told him as long as it didn't affect any of our future dealings.

I think RC's attorney said what they did 'cause it was about custody and that had nothing to do with MC. From what little I've seen of that firm, MC better be glad.

Have a good weekend, Seeker and everyone else. I'm out of town and even leaving the laptop at home. Think I'll have withdrawals by Sunday evening.

[titanfan217]

In the press release Ron's attorney says that he is referring Ron to another law firm regarding Ron's loss of work.



Seeker, Hi again.

Before I head off, I was going to address what I saw earlier on JVM.
She brought up RC losing his job but even had the date wrong, like it just happened "yesterday".

Anyhow she had her expert attorneys, and based upon what they said, my take is that RC would have a case IF he has a letter/document with an agreement. Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist that if such a document existed, there would never had been a question.

One of the attorneys that if it were oral, he would have to prove it. He should know who that person was (if existed), and unless that person has since died or otherwise not available, then it should have been easy to straighten out between April 3 & April 15.

I don't think either of those happened or he'd still have his job (unless there was something else and the company was just being nice).

[tinkerbell]

Even worse, imo. At least Crystal acknowledges her children. Ronald doesn't even acknowledge or participate in his sons life, muchless know him. How sad for this little boy who is also disabled. I'm pretty certain it's his child. KP wouldn't put that out there if it were not true, that would be a huge libel and slander suit, she wouldn't take that risk.

jmo

It is sad, very sad. There are some mothers, myself included, that would rather shoulder the sole responsibility of a child rather than involve a father who clearly isn't interested or has exhibited abusive behavior in the past.

I'm not stating or suggesting that this is the case with RC; just stating a possibility for some mothers' thinking.

moo

[tinkerbell]

I agree tinker, you don't have to look far to find such cases.

On the other hand, just once I'd like to see RC claim responsibility for his actions. It seems it is always someone elses fault, he is always the victim, the world owes him. For a long time I have wondered how he can spew such venom Crystal's way, when he in fact is active in a very similar situation. I think Geraldo busted him on the question as to whether or not he has "other" children out there, iirc, Ronald did not deny it.



jmo

I believe that claiming responsibility for one's actions are lessons that should be taught in the home. Perhaps, some young adults didn't learn the lesson or perhaps they were never taught. Sad, very sad...

moo

[crymeariver2006]

This office has referred Ronald to a Daytona Beach law firm that handles labor and employment law.

http://www.findhaleighnow.com/press2.htm#April162009

Sad that Ron's attorney has to slime the mother of a missing child on a site suppsedly dedicated to that missing child - Find Haleigh Now. Crystal offered no such sliming on the Haleighbug site.

Now instead of offering press briefs to include information about updates on the search for Haleigh, they're using a missing child's site to talk about the job loss of Ron Cummings. They should have used their own website for that.

JMO

[beachpatty]

That's what I think too, seeker.

MO



ok, i'm in, make it 3!

beachpatty

[panache]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-04-18/story/trail_to_freedom_how_two_putnam_escapees_fooled_ja ilers


According to this article, Hardy has an *obvious personnel problem*, I wonder if this could be what has stymied the Haleigh investigation. I wonder if there had not been a change of command, and the previous sheriff in charge, if this case would have taken a different path.

moo

[panache]

After Ron was fired, PDM asked sheriff deputies to cruise the yard.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/18/haleigh-cummings-dad-protests-firing/#more-1624

Scroll down to second article.

[iluvmua]

Why isn't Lenny there helping? why have some Bounty Hunter named Cobra when you can have Lenny along with all knowing wisdom :)

[crymeariver2006]

I don't remember, but who started the sliming from the start??

Why is that important to you? Does that make your support of Ron grow?

Does it have anything to do with the search for Haleigh or who might be responsible for her disappearance? Does Ron's attorney think that his only defense of Ron is to trash Crystal? What is anything about back child support doing on a website for a missing child? Do you agree with that?

Believe me, Crystal was mild compared to what I would have done had my child gone missing while her father trusted her care to a barely 17 year old who doesn't know how to call 911.

That's not sliming. You also have no idea what was said between the two families when the cameras weren't rolling.

[CANDYKISSES]

Apple,...if Crystal has nothing to do with Haleigh missing and she was as she says two hours away...Why hasn't she been cleared?

I have wondered that too FA, especially after the youtube comment about Crystal and Chad. I put a link to it up on the 15th here. It was insinuating that someone was not where they claimed to be, but who knows????

I don't even remember seeing Crystal displaying any emotion whatsoever when Haleigh first went missing, NOTHING, she appeared cold IMO. But boy, when the media ALLEGEDLY got it wrong the day she took off as LE was looking for her concerning DNA or the trip to the woods to look at an abandoned cabin....OH LORD, she let go then and the anger came out.

Then I did see her work a few tears out for the BROTHERS RIVERA.

JMO and nothing more. :unsure:

[panache]

Apple,...if Crystal has nothing to do with Haleigh missing and she was as she says two hours away...Why hasn't she been cleared?

Let's suppose for the moment that Crystal never missed a child support payment and was up to date. Would your opinion of her remain the same? Is the 4K behind that leads you to believe Crystal had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance.?

[JackiBlu]

After Ron was fired, PDM asked sheriff deputies to cruise the yard.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/18/haleigh-cummings-dad-protests-firing/#more-1624

Scroll down to second article.

Old news.

JMO

[Texas48]

Don't know...she probably doesn't want to involve him in her child's life...and really after he acknowledged that the child was probably his why do YOU need a DNA test? Both parents have issues....IMOI will agree grma..BOTH parents have issues...

[panache]

pia, I agree, it's the American way.
Can you imagine the pressure the Sheriff has been under with the drug bust coming down and a missing child case? That man has to be working on over load. When Haleigh is found he deserves a long, long vacation..:thumbsup:

Hardy as more than he can handle IMO. Two fugitivies on the loose, who just happened to escape from his jail,and at last count, at least 11 drug arrests.

moo

[JackiBlu]

RC admitted himself that he possibly had another child I believe it was on the Geraldo interview and didn't Misty say she met RC when she was babysitting for his other child by Amber, and didn't Misty go to her My Space and tell her she got her man and she was going to get her child. All probabilities this child is his...but still I am not totally convinced that he had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh...Do think it is possible though that being they lived so close to the Croslin clan and something was going on at Misty's Brothers house that night that someone over there knows the answer.. Cousin Joe, the scratch on the van. IMO

The key words are Ron admitted and it could be a possibility. I think the question was asked on one of the Nancy Grace interviews Ron did. Ron is not trying to hide that information as some posters would think. Remember Crystal is the one who gave out her, Ambers, FULL name on national tv.

JMO

[panache]

Check out the last comment on the First Coast News forumn.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=136044

[JackiBlu]

You seem to know the answer to your question, bam bam...at least you know more than I do. I have no idea who Regan is or anything about filed or unfiled paperwork.

I don't know about Crystal's health either. And I also don't know who is supporting Ron jr since Cummings hasn't worked in over two months.

Another thing I don't know is where he worked prior to PDM. He worked there for less than 90 days which means he didn't have medical insurance for either of his children yet.

I have read things from people that claim to know him and/or about him stating he never worked long at any one place. If you have knowledge to the contrary, I'd be interested in reading it. I think his job history is crucial to the custody case and also speaks to character and responsibility, or lack of it.

Where was it stated that Ron worked at PDM for less than 90 days? TIA

[panache]

Has the paper work for creating a foundation been filed in Tallahassee???? last I heard the answer is NO. Therefore it is NOT a foundation but a purple building sitting on US17 to collect money to support this guy Regan using Crystal and Haleigh's name.
Any word on Crystal's health? Is she well enough to even visit the purple building with Haleigh's name??

I recall all the hoopla about the Anthony's setting up a foundation. IMO, a 501C is for tax purposes and when there is salaried persons. Do you see it necessary in the Halieghbug Foundation? It is a process and does cost, perhaps Kim feels at this time there is no reason.

http://www.501c3lawfirm.com/501c3_2.htm?gclid=CI-47LCE-5kCFWVM5QodAx5_FQ

[forensicfan]

I guess that's because team Cummings hasn't done much in the way of searching for Haleigh.

At least Crystal's side of the family has been out there with flyers, has set up a foundation and has publicly thanked those that have helped. I haven't seen that kind of gratitude from Ron and his family. All I've seen is attitude and defensiveness.

Ron was out searching with people on ATV's from day one and begged Tim Miller to stay when the search was called off and he was leaving.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/haleigh-cumming-search-ends-today-tim-miller-must-leave/

[panache]

If you would read up on Regan, which has been stated in AH writings, you will find he never knew any family members before showing up at Crystal's door steps. I think she believed his sales pitch and he used her and her daughter's name to promote a business that he created. I will add MOO because I have read up on this guy. He caught Crystal at the lowest time in her life and used her. he is a scam...
He is calling it a foundation, it is not unless it has been recognized as one in past couple of weeks.

I am so happy that you have recognized that Crystal was *at the lowest point in her life*. Perhaps that explains why she was so angry when some were accusing her of dodging the DNA test. She complied with the request at her doctor's.

moo

[panache]

I have no link. Just stating what I've read about him.

But now that you mention it, he stated that he'd only worked at that job...Superior, iirc, for 3 mos and his insurance hadn't kicked in yet. This was 2 years ago, Jan, 2007. The magistrate ruled in his favor anyway.

IIRC, Ron stated he was making only $10 per hour then. Once he went to PDM at supposidly a higher rate of pay, he, by law should have filed a modification with the court about his salary increase. Perhaps Crystal doesn't owe as much as he thought, at least for the 3 mos or so he DID work.

moo

[forensicfan]

How long after day one did he search? Is he still searching?

We know he wasn't working. We know he spent hours traveling to get a tatooo. We know he got married and went to NY. He wasn't searching then.

We don't know what he did as far as searching after Tim Miller left. We also don't know what Crystal has done.

I said before about the wedding and NY being a really bad decision but I don't think it signifies guilt of any kind to me.

[panache]

Ron was out searching with people on ATV's from day one and begged Tim Miller to stay when the search was called off and he was leaving.

http://erickacourtney.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/haleigh-cumming-search-ends-today-tim-miller-must-leave/
Tim was there for two days. Is that all the searches Ron particpated in? There were plenty of volunteer searches happening. In fact, Theresa said how Ron stayed in his tent all day because no one came by and asked him to search.

How about the full scale search on Hwy. 17? Ron choose a garden wedding that day rather than look for his daughter. He could have done both, and married his sweetie at night.

moo

[forensicfan]

I remember that. I also remember Crystal being interviewed on tv. Most of her answers were: I don't know. I wonder why she knew so little about Haleighs life?

With that being said, I do not think either of these families were involved. Yet.

Me neither. If facts of what LE actually has ever becomes public, it might shed some light on this case but right now, I still think it's a stranger that took this girl.

I just wish they had checked that dumpster earlier and gone through every piece with the dogs present. More than one dog signaling (I THINK it was more than one dog) means the scent of human decomp was on something in that dumpster. They might have had something else to go on.

[forensicfan]

Tim was there for two days. Is that all the searches Ron particpated in? There were plenty of volunteer searches happening. In fact, Theresa said how Ron stayed in his tent all day because no one came by and asked him to search.

How about the full scale search on Hwy. 17? Ron choose a garden wedding that day rather than look for his daughter. He could have done both, and married his sweetie at night.

moo

As I understood it, he WAS searching prior to TX Equasearch coming out or so it was reported on TV as were Crystal's efforts.

LE is not supposed to let the family members search on their own. Don't you remember what happened after John Ramsey found Jon Bennet's body? It was said over and over again that police should not have let the family search on their own and he became suspect number one in part because of it.

[JackiBlu]

I have no link. Just stating what I've read about him.

But now that you mention it, he stated that he'd only worked at that job...Superior, iirc, for 3 mos and his insurance hadn't kicked in yet. This was 2 years ago, Jan, 2007. The magistrate ruled in his favor anyway.

The court papers show that it was December 27, 2005 that Ron worked at Superior. Here is the link.

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

[forensicfan]

For the record, I've never said that his marriage signifies quilt. I have said that his demeanor and actions from the beginning has made me suspicious of him.

We know that Crystal has set up a foundation to find Haleigh

http://haleighbug.com/

But that's my point too Tiffany. Crystal's initial statements which have now changed and her initial demeanor make me suspicious of her allegations.

[JackiBlu]

Tim was there for two days. Is that all the searches Ron particpated in? There were plenty of volunteer searches happening. In fact, Theresa said how Ron stayed in his tent all day because no one came by and asked him to search.

How about the full scale search on Hwy. 17? Ron choose a garden wedding that day rather than look for his daughter. He could have done both, and married his sweetie at night.

moo

It was my understanding that the full scale search on Highway 17 was done by LE only.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509027,00.html

JMO

[panache]

But that's my point too Tiffany. Crystal's initial statements which have now changed and her initial demeanor make me suspicious of her allegations.

You don't suppose that spending time there when Haleigh went that Crystal was hearing more and more of what was happening in her children's lifes? IIRC, she spent little or no time there prior to Haleigh going missing. She didn't even have a clue where Ron was living. Had I been Crystal, I would have been livid, and demand the court to provide me with an address and who was also habitating my childrens domiciles.
Crystal gave Ron a free rein, most likely, IMO, not to have to deal with him.

moo

[forensicfan]

You don't suppose that spending time there when Haleigh went that Crystal was hearing more and more of what was happening in her children's lifes? IIRC, she spent little or no time there prior to Haleigh going missing. She didn't even have a clue where Ron was living. Had I been Crystal, I would have been livid, and demand the court to provide me with an address and who was also habitating my childrens domiciles.
Crystal gave Ron a free rein, most likely, IMO, not to have to deal with him.

moo

Had I been Crystal, I would know where my kids were living and would have spent more time than the minimum with them to know what was going on. Yes, I have two kids and yes, I can say with certainty I would know their living arrangements.

[JackiBlu]

[“We are obviously very sympathetic to the tragedy that happened,” McCauley told me, adding that PDM was “very patient” with Cummings, but was never notified if or when he would return. He confirmed Ronald had recently finished a 3-month probationary trial period for new employees, but never filed an official request for a leave of absence to keep the job open.}

This was from a conversation, posted at "The Bald Truth," that Art Harris says he had with Mr. McCauley, of PDM. This McCauley is the same spokesperson who is quoted in other articles regarding Ron's employment. In my opinion, Art Harris, of whom I know little, would not put quotation marks around this statement if he could not back it up. He'd be opening himself up to a lot of problems.


I would like more backup than The Bald Truth.

JMO

[forensicfan]

You think Crystal is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance? I didn't know that. I have no problem if you do, btw, nor will I make any moral judgements about your opinion.

Just sayin...

What statements of Crystal's changed?

Here is the initial police report from LE at the scene on 2-10-09.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/02/13/putnam.pdf

Very different from what Ron and Misty now claim.

Not sure what you mean by the moral judgement thing but as far as Crystal having anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance, I do NOT think Crystal has anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance. I DO think her abuse allegations are suspicious. I don't believe her (about the abuse) is all I am saying.

Her initial interview with NG when asked if there was abuse in the home was "not that I know of". I'll try to find the link. Also, Jr.'s statement of "man in black" has changed to "black man in black" with the addition of "sqeaky shoes" and "the couch was bouncing" none of which were mentioned when she was first interviewed about Jr.'s statement.

[crymeariver2006]

If you would read up on Regan, which has been stated in AH writings, you will find he never knew any family members before showing up at Crystal's door steps. I think she believed his sales pitch and he used her and her daughter's name to promote a business that he created. I will add MOO because I have read up on this guy. He caught Crystal at the lowest time in her life and used her. he is a scam...
He is calling it a foundation, it is not unless it has been recognized as one in past couple of weeks.

Since when does not ever meeting the families before have any bearing on helping them?

Weren't you the one who took food to the Cummings tent early on? Had you ever met them before?

[baywench]

<bolding mine>

Good morning CandyKisses,

I have a strong feeling about that. Please don't jump on me and say that I am only on Crystal's "side." I'm on the side of TRUTH.

Many abused and traumatized people show "no affect." (no emotion). It is very disturbing to those around the person if they don't know what it means. Obviously, I don't know if this is the case with Crystal, but I believe that it probably is.

When you worked at the shelter you have shared that there were different types of women there. Did you ever notice that some just didn't react "normally," or seemed uncaring or uninvolved? Some were "shut down," in other words. Some very dependent upon the help of others.

Unfortunately for this whole family, their lives have been playing out in the media. What is striking to me is the growth I've seen in Crystal once she had a lot of support; including the support of an attorney and advocate, Kim Pacazio. We have to remember that she is only 23 years old. For some women this is very young to come to terms with abuse. (Obviously, I am coming from the view that she is an abused woman and that she is also the mother of abused children; Haleigh and Ronald, Jr.).

I truly want your input and apologize if you've felt that I was insincere in asking about your experiences in a shelter, or any other questions I've asked you. I believe they could add to this discussion. You have told about the insincere women there, but what about the women who you believed were truly abused?

Thanks in advance if you care to talk about this.

These are my opinions.



I cannot think of ONE SINGLE reason why Crystal would not pay her child support. Male or female it is your responsibility and obligation to your children. A truly committed parent will work three jobs to support their children. I have known people that have to work that hard because of a deadbeat spouse. Why aren't people holding Crystal up to the same standards? Children need to eat every day, not just if you feel liking working. Abused or not, supporting her children should have been her number priority. To give the impression that abused women cannot function or look out for the rights of their children is ridiculous. No child support - you just don't care. jmo

[forensicfan]

JackiBlu, your good with the links.

IMO, it doesn't matter. Some want Ron on his feet 24/7. Something like the HaleighBug center was to be manned 24/7. I don't believe thats reality for either of them. Nor should it be.

:thumbsup:

[crymeariver2006]

The key words are Ron admitted and it could be a possibility. I think the question was asked on one of the Nancy Grace interviews Ron did. Ron is not trying to hide that information as some posters would think. Remember Crystal is the one who gave out her, Ambers, FULL name on national tv.

JMO

But that was long after Misty had already given the information to a newspaper in one of her "interviews" talking about how she met Ron.

Odd that Misty would know Ron had another child, but he wouldn't.

[JackiBlu]

I cannot think of ONE SINGLE reason why Crystal would not pay her child support. Male or female it is your responsibility and obligation to your children. A truly committed parent will work three jobs to support their children. I have known people that have to work that hard because of a deadbeat spouse. Why aren't people holding Crystal up to the same standards? Children need to eat every day, not just if you feel liking working. Abused or not, supporting her children should have been her number priority. To give the impression that abused women cannot function or look out for the rights of their children is ridiculous. No child support - you just don't care. jmo

ITA Bay. Great post!!

JMO

[JackiBlu]

JackiBlu, your good with the links.

IMO, it doesn't matter. Some want Ron on his feet 24/7. Something like the HaleighBug center was to be manned 24/7. I don't believe thats reality for either of them. Nor should it be.

Ty Bullyjo. I just get so sick of Ron getting trashed. His daughter that he loved is gone but to some that doesn't matter in trashing him.

JMO

[panache]

My bold and your post, #187: Sad that Ron's attorney has to slime the mother of a missing child on a site suppsedly dedicated to that missing child - Find Haleigh Now. Crystal offered no such sliming on the Haleighbug site.

You brought up the sliming. I asked who started the sliming? No I don't like that is was brought up on Haleighs site. But its not our choice.

And you don't know either whats said between the families, without cameras.

So what does this have to do with finding Haleigh??

And RC was mild on his words to Misty compared to what I would have said. And others who have said the same.
jmo

Ha. Ron was *so mild* to Misty, he ended up marrying her. That's a bit more than *mild*. IMO, by marrying her it takes on a persona of forgiving Misty her untrustworthiness, never mind her infidelty. Quite a weak foundation to build a marriage on.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

Ty Bullyjo. I just get so sick of Ron getting trashed. His daughter that he loved is gone but to some that doesn't matter in trashing him.

JMO

She is Crystal's daughter too.

Or is it okay that she's trashed every day?

[panache]

I cannot think of ONE SINGLE reason why Crystal would not pay her child support. Male or female it is your responsibility and obligation to your children. A truly committed parent will work three jobs to support their children. I have known people that have to work that hard because of a deadbeat spouse. Why aren't people holding Crystal up to the same standards? Children need to eat every day, not just if you feel liking working. Abused or not, supporting her children should have been her number priority. To give the impression that abused women cannot function or look out for the rights of their children is ridiculous. No child support - you just don't care. jmo

You know what? Had Crystal not been hit by an 18wheeler rig and been severely injuried, and had she not been pregnant and deserved some bonding time with her infant, I would agree. Crystal had some extenuating circumstances this past year, and in my world, she gets a pass.

[JackiBlu]

But that was long after Misty had already given the information to a newspaper in one of her "interviews" talking about how she met Ron.

Odd that Misty would know Ron had another child, but he wouldn't.

I wasn't aware of the interview given by Misty. Do you have a link or time period?

IMO, no one would know for sure that it is Ron's child unless DNA testing was done.

JMO

[panache]

She is Crystal's daughter too.

Or is it okay that she's trashed every day?

Like one of my favorite posters said, the world would be a different place if Crystal had paid her child support faithfully. The pirates wouldn't have taken over the ship, the Italian earthquake would have been averted, and Susan Boyle wouldn't have won the world's admiration.

*sigh*

[crymeariver2006]

I wasn't aware of the interview given by Misty. Do you have a link or time period?

IMO, no one would know for sure that it is Ron's child unless DNA testing was done.

JMO

It's in the links thread I'm sure.

DNA testing is not going to be done unless the mother agrees to it or requests it. Right now she is rid of both Ron and her babysitter, Misty and is probably quite content to keep it that way.

[crymeariver2006]

Like one of my favorite posters said, the world would be a different place if Crystal had paid her child support faithfully. The pirates wouldn't have taken over the ship, the Italian earthquake would have been averted, and Susan Boyle wouldn't have won the world's admiration.

*sigh*

Oh I'm convinced of it!

:wink:

[panache]

IMO She should have petitioned the court for the extenuating circumstance, I do feel for her but CS should be paid. IMO

To the best of my knowledge neither Crystal or her atty. Kim have said Crystal refuses to pay it. There is a delay for now, we can only wait until after the postponment as to what Crystal's intent will be.

moo

[bama__angel]

Like one of my favorite posters said, the world would be a different place if Crystal had paid her child support faithfully. The pirates wouldn't have taken over the ship, the Italian earthquake would have been averted, and Susan Boyle wouldn't have won the world's admiration.

*sigh*


I dont think the anyone's world would haveen different, except maybe Haleigh and JR....My thoughts only...

[forensicfan]

Responding to your answers to Tiffany.

Why do you suspect Crystal's claims of abuse?

Crystal, who we know from court documents, is nakedly honest. I respect her answer to NG. She didn't live in Ron Cumming's home with her children, so she was being honest in saying "not that I know of." Who knows what she might have wished to speculate upon at that time. But time marched on and life is fluid.

As far as Little Ron's story, it's fluid, because life is fluid and we learn new things every day. And because it is so unclear what, if anything, this little boy saw, it sounds like, at some point, Crystal was encouraged to share what her little boy was saying.

I remember that, at first, she stated that she hadn't questioned him about that night and early morning when Haleigh went missing. My guess is that a psychologist or someone in the police force advised her not to because little children, especially traumatized ones, are so easily influenced.

these are just my thoughts



Crystal is so nakedly honest that she filed a false police report about a stolen car.

She also had not brought up abuse in court during the custody hearing nor did she bring any witnesses to back up her claims, nor did she challenge the judge's decision nor did she keep up on her kid's lives. There are no domestic abuse reports to back her up either. Sorry, I just plain don't believe her.

Crystal DID share what Ron Jr. said and all that was said was "a man in black took my sissy". NOTHING MORE at the time. There are several links on the internet that show that is all that was said initially. The additional information came later. Now if that additional information came from LE or a medical professional, I would believe it.

I just think it's unfair that any RUMOR that comes about on Ron is believed to be true without facts to back it up and none of his behavior is excusable (and it ISN'T) but just about all of Crystal's behavior can be explained away and understood by those that believe her allegations without anything to back them up.

[crymeariver2006]

No we know Regan set up a purple house on US 17 and calling it a foundation.... You claim it is a foundation, please show me a legal link to prove it. I will say, till the cows come home. Regan is a salesman and sold this idea to Crystal and she agreed to allow Haleigh's name to be used for him to make money. How much, we will never know because he is handling the money. Crystal only sees what he wants her too. No one is being held accountable.
Yes it irks me that Haleigh's name and her mother is being used for a stranger to profit from and it should you to if you care about Crystal and Haleigh.

Then you should report him to somebody that's in a position to shut him down.

IF you're so concerned that is.

[panache]

I meant that RC saying about the b word and stolen. I would have said a lot more.

As for their marriage, what do I care? Thats on them. KWIM?? I've seen a lot worse.

Perhaps Ron did have more to say. Before and after the 911 call. We only heard the transmission of the call, not the preamble or the aftermath. Who knows, not me, and most likley you, either. But please don't dismiss Ron's ranting, at a time when, if Misty was not at fault, she didn't need to be berated and cussed at.

[JackiBlu]

Hearing documents time stamped Jan 4, 2007

Page 8, line 16 Cummings states he works at Superior

Page 12, line 1 Cummings states he has Blue Cross Blue Shield

Page 12 lines 2-8 Cummings states the insurance is not in effect and won't be until March after the 90 day probationary period.

The time stamp of Jan 4, 2007 is when the document was FILED AND RECORDED by the Clerk of Courts, Putman County, FL. Why it took so long to be filed I don't know. On the 1st page it says, DATE AND TIME: December27, 2005; 10:41 a.m.

[crymeariver2006]

To the best of my knowledge neither Crystal or her atty. Kim have said Crystal refuses to pay it. There is a delay for now, we can only wait until after the postponment as to what Crystal's intent will be.

moo

IIRC, Kim said the other night on HLN that arrangements were being made with the state to repay the back support.

[forensicfan]

Pia stated that others haven't thought about this case and should be "ashamed." It's on this thread. That's what I meant by making moral judgements.

Thanks for clarifying what you are suspicious of. I disagree with you.

Ah, I see. thank you for clarifying.

[JackiBlu]

It's in the links thread I'm sure.

DNA testing is not going to be done unless the mother agrees to it or requests it. Right now she is rid of both Ron and her babysitter, Misty and is probably quite content to keep it that way.

Then Ron will never know for sure that is his child.

JMO

[panache]

Her two children could be in a different place, or a split place (meaning joint custody) if she would have gotten more involved in their lives.
jmo

Crystal did enjoy the pleasure of her children's presence two weekends a month, split holidays, and six weeks in the summer from what I have read. Dollars to donuts, its probably has much as Ron put in, what with his social life, working and all his habits/hobbies. IMO, he wasn't exactly Mr. Mom. I think Theresa filled those shoes.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

No disrespect to you are your belief, but I don't believe a word AH bloggs. Please don't come back with the question of why.


Really?

Didn't you post this earlier?

If you would read up on Regan, which has been stated in AH writings, you will find he never knew any family members before showing up at Crystal's door steps. I think she believed his sales pitch and he used her and her daughter's name to promote a business that he created. I will add MOO because I have read up on this guy. He caught Crystal at the lowest time in her life and used her. he is a scam...
He is calling it a foundation, it is not unless it has been recognized as one in past couple of weeks.

So, in other words, posts at Art Harris' site that call into question the actions of Ron are not to be believed; but

Posts that call into question the actions of anybody helping Crystal are true and can be believed?

:laugh:

[panache]

Then Ron will never know for sure that is his child.

JMO

I doubt neither Ron or Amber cares. When a reporter asked Ron if the child was his, he replied possibly. And it appears, Amber could care less about child support, or she would have filed for paternity tests.

mpp

[crymeariver2006]

Then Ron will never know for sure that is his child.

JMO

Do you think that will make him sad?

[panache]

Really?

Didn't you post this earlier?



So, in other words, posts at Art Harris' site that call into question the actions of Ron are not to be believed; but

Posts that call into question the actions of anybody helping Crystal are true and can be believed?

:laugh:

By George, I think your on to something.

[JackiBlu]

It was at the very beginning I saw it too...No one knows for sure but he isn't denying it and Neither He nor Amber is requesting DNA but if she were to apply for assistance from the state then DNA test would be done. But if we are to hold him at a higher standard than Crystal why isn't he supporting that child. IMO

Ron isn't denying that it is possible the child is his. Until he knows for sure why would he pay child support?

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Because on AH blog, he states Reagan was a FRIEND of the family and he had never met them before Haleigh went missing. Are you saying it does not bother you that a salesman is using Crystal and her daughter to put money in his pocket? It does me.

I thought you said you didn't believe anything on Art's blog.

Do you even read what you write?

[CANDYKISSES]

Since when does not ever meeting the families before have any bearing on helping them?

Weren't you the one who took food to the Cummings tent early on? Had you ever met them before?

HE was reported to be an old friend of Crystal's IIRC.

[Texas48]

IMO She should have petitioned the court for the extenuating circumstance, I do feel for her but CS should be paid. IMOI am going to jump in here and say that I agree with you grma...the CS should have been paid and I wounder why she did not go back to court as you stated..

[JackiBlu]

How long did he work for Superior?

I have no idea. All I was pointing out is the date of the hearing and the time stamp as to when it was recorded.

JMO

[JackiBlu]

Well if he is such a good parent as he claims, he only supports the first two...sorry but that excuse is a cop out...He has as much responsibility to help support that child as Crystal has to support hers and he was a hypocrit in my opinion to even call her out on it. IMO

WHY should he support a child that may not be his?

JMO

[panache]

Back to Haleigh. After the past two months, and taking into consideration one or two posters have said that searches are still going on, but are not being publicized, I'm beginning to think Haleigh is in water, not ground. how's that for a run on sentence?

I have held fast to that is where little Trenton is laying at rest. At this point it just seems logical. Gee even Sandra, although in a suitcase was placed in a canal.

moo

[bama__angel]

Maybe in your world she gets a pass, but not in the courts, unless she takes the initiative to go before a judge and he changes it due to her circumstances. This applies to every man or women who the courts have ordered child support. it is not my opinion only the facts.


I do have 1 question.....Was Crystal pregnant when she was in the car accident or did she get pregnant afterwards? TIA for your reply

[panache]

Maybe in your world she gets a pass, but not in the courts, unless she takes the initiative to go before a judge and he changes it due to her circumstances. This applies to every man or women who the courts have ordered child support. it is not my opinion only the facts.

Perhaps had Haliegh not disappeared on the eve of the hearing Crystal was going to broach the subject. e just don't know what her intents were. The child support issue is just a sidebar, imo, to the bigger issue, of what, who, and where is Haleigh.

moo

[panache]

Only to those who keep referring to his blog as the truth.:wink:

In other words, what is partisan to your belief, Art speaks the truth, but when it goes against your grain, its not?. Okay, gotcha. A wink back at ya.:wink:

[panache]

Putnam County Sheriff's Photo!

Let's hope this will open up an avalange of what exactly is going on down there. Looks like, IMO, LE is tightening the noose hoping someone will talk in exchange for a lesser sentence. Could WBG's chats with LE have something to do with all this?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19213343/detail.html#-

moo

[crymeariver2006]

I do NOT believe anything that comes out of AH blog, but many of you think his word is gospel,that is why i refer you to someone you believe.:wink:


That doesn't make any sense. You believe the part about Regan being some kind of scam artist that's out to take Crystal for everything and use that as your "link", but you don't believe anything that's posted about anything else?

[crymeariver2006]

Putnam County Sheriff's Photo!

Let's hope this will open up an avalange of what exactly is going on down there. Looks like, IMO, LE is tightening the noose hoping someone will talk in exchange for a lesser sentence. Could WBG's chats with LE have something to do with all this?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19213343/detail.html#-

moo

From your link:

Nine of them were arrested, and two were detained for questioning as part the investigation.

Wonder who those two were?

Hmmmmmm.

[panache]

Actually Art talked a lot of smack about the Natalee Holloway case and he went back and deleted all the stuff except for 4 or 5 post. I'm sure Jorans lawyer said a few choice words and Art thought it would be best to erase the post instead of going to court.


MOO

I'm quite familar with Harri's tactics. In fact he is being sued in the Texas courts for his slander towards VA in the Anna Nicole case. That's what leads me to believe he is being very truthful in the Haleigh case. He doesn't want, nor can afford another law suit.

moo

[JackiBlu]

what does this have to do with Haleigh?

Not a thing except more rumors getting started about Ron and/or Misty.

JMO

[panache]

what does this have to do with Haleigh?

Well, I'm not sure. Perhaps as much as whether Crystal paid child support.

That beiing said, perhaps reading the comments, in particular, comment three, will tell you, others feel it could have something to do with Haleigh's case.

moo

[JackiBlu]

Why is he not requesting a DNA test?..or has he?


I don't have a clue as to why, how or if. You would have to ask him.

JMO

[panache]

The Director of Human Resources Weighs In.

*Ron has access to other money* to help with expenses.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m4d16-Haleigh-Cummings-father-Ronald-loses-his-job

[bama__angel]

FA, no one knows yet. I am hoping someone involved in this bust may have information to trade for the where bout's of Haleigh. That is my prayer..


So bam...you are thinking that this was a kidnapping/abduction due to some kind of drug vendetta as opposed to a pedophile....

[baywench]

o.k we know Crystal got behind on her child support and RC couldn't keep a job, left his children with a teen age girl whom he admitted knew she was on a drug binge the weekend before, neither one is blameless but Where is Haleigh? Does it really matter at this point who is worse here. The point is where do they go from here. IMO


You are absolutely right grma, there is only one victim here, and no one can find her. jmo

[bama__angel]

You are absolutely right grma, there is only one victim here, and no one can find her. jmo


I think Jr. is a victim also.....He has lost his beloved sissy....IMO

[panache]

I would like to know about that also Bam Bam. I am waiting two weeks now on your statement about " I know Ron, etc." I have ask you so many times that I have lost count. Why can I not get an answer from you?

I have also asked CandyKisses for over a week about the " family imposter" post, still no answer there either.

I do not understand why some people just throw's things out there, with no reasoning, imo



I doubt after all this time you'll ever get the answers your looking for apple.

[panache]

Let's add this from the same article:

The Florida Times-Union reports that Cummings has had access to money donated to the family for expenses, but it can only be released under certain state rules.

Of course. Would that include Crystal? She is family.

[bama__angel]

Of course. Would that include Crystal? She is family.


I would hope that if Ron can utilize these donations, Crystal could also...She is Haleigh's mother......IMO

[panache]

Not as a drug vendetta, but someone knows or has heard what happen to Haleigh. If they do, maybe use that information to make a deal for a lesser sentence with their part in the drug bust. Sounds like these are locals, they hear things but if they are dealing in big time drugs they certainly not going to the law with it.
In other words, Joe doe heard john doe tell Jane doe that so and so kidnapped the little missing girl.
If it is true and they find evidence he gets 2 years instead of 20. I don't know if what I am saying makes sense to anyone.

It does to me, and for the first time, I'm on the same page as you.

[Texas48]

It does to me, and for the first time, I'm on the same page as you.Ditto..makes sense bam..Lets ALL hope some info will come from one of these arrest..Maybe ..just maybe Haleigh can be found or at least a detail that will give LE a clue...anything to go on..

[crymeariver2006]

crymeariver2006:: Wrote
From your link:

Quote:

Nine of them were arrested, and two were detained for questioning as part the investigation.
Wonder who those two were?

Hmmmmmm.

CMAR,the article from the link states"
http://www.news4jax.com/news/19213343/detail.html#-

Nine of them were arrested, and two were detained for questioning as part the investigation.
James Charles Jones, Jr., James Blocker, Nichole Hogan, Albertano Hernandez-Sanchez, Phyllis Johnson, Bernie Gibson, Korey White, Robbi Hadded, Kevin Allen were all arrested and booked into the Putnam County Jail.
The main thing is NINE were arrested.

No, not if one of the two "detained for questioning" (but not arrested) has....oh say a record of lots of arrests but no convictions.

:wink:

[crymeariver2006]

That does make sense...I can see them not wanting ordinary citizens coming upon something like that.

The drugs were found inside of two houses.

Why would searchers enter houses?

[crymeariver2006]

hey Tiff, lets not make this personal ok,....I'm talking about the case.

do you not want to answer the question?


where was Chads and Crystals children when they were throwing the big "Mary Jane" party?

i hope all those babies weren't sucking in second hand dope smoke :(

And what does a rumored "Mary Jane" party have to do with the case of the missing Haleigh?

[crymeariver2006]

no no.....the "mary jane" party is NOT a rumor. in the beginning of this case she had all the pictures on her myspace and then she removed them. Why did she do that? Seems odd to me.


I still have to wonder if being behind in child support and living with a man that has a history of abuse have a LOT to do with Haleigh missing.

Don't you find it odd Haleigh went missing hours before her mommy was suppose to be in court for the child support?

Is Crystal NOW playing her child support for Jr?

Why would Misty post hateful messages on Amber's MySpace?

Why would Ron call Misty names on the 911 call and then again refer to her by an ugly name when the police got there?

Where is Chad's "history of abuse"? Other than a dismissed Order of Protection that nobody even knows what it's for?

Don't you find it odd that Haleigh went missing on the night after Misty returned from her 3-day party?

Where are Crystal's drug charges from the "Mary Jane" party?

Who is supporting Ron Jr. now that Ron got fired from his job?

[panache]

hey Tiff, lets not make this personal ok,....I'm talking about the case.

do you not want to answer the question?


where was Chads and Crystals children when they were throwing the big "Mary Jane" party?

i hope all those babies weren't sucking in second hand dope smoke :(

Link to Chad and Crystal *throwing the mary jane party* please.

[crymeariver2006]

Who said anything about entering houses? If I was a drug dealer I wouldn't be too happy about people messing around my property. If I was a cop that knew this investigation was going on, I wouldn't want citizens being put in danger of coming up on them and I also wouldn't want citizens messing up my investigation.:rolleyes:

Searchers cannot go onto private property without permission from the owner.

That's the first thing Tim Miller and LE will tell them when a search is organized.

[bama__angel]

Link to Chad and Crystal *throwing the mary jane party* please.


You know there is no link...but I can assure you that I saw the pictures from the party on Crystal's myspace page before someone had the good sense to tell her to remove them after Haleigh was kidnapped.....

I am so tired of the back and forth on who did what between Ron and Crystal and Misty and Chad........All 4 of these people arent upstanding citizens, all have questionable character and certainly very poor parenting and decision making skills.....If you lined them up, I dont think you could really tell the difference in any person...How many of us would actually be friends with these people? I for one probably wouldnt.....MHO....But no matter what, I still dont believe that any involved had anything to do with Haleigh being missing......And judging them for their personal lives and mistakes will do nothing to find this little girl...IMO

[panache]

The drugs were found inside of two houses.

Why would searchers enter houses?

That is a great question. Sounds like a tip. Wonder if that paper Ron slipped to LE that day has any relevance.

moo

[crymeariver2006]

That is a great question. Sounds like a tip. Wonder if that paper Ron slipped to LE that day has any relevance.

moo

Wonder if he was one of the "two detained and questioned"?

Moo too!

[panache]

You know there is no link...but I can assure you that I saw the pictures from the party on Crystal's myspace page before someone had the good sense to tell her to remove them after Haleigh was kidnapped.....

I am so tired of the back and forth on who did what between Ron and Crystal and Misty and Chad........All 4 of these people arent upstanding citizens, all have questionable character and certainly very poor parenting and decision making skills.....If you lined them up, I dont think you could really tell the difference in any person...How many of us would actually be friends with these people? I for one probably wouldnt.....MHO....But no matter what, I still dont believe that any involved had anything to do with Haleigh being missing......And judging them for their personal lives and mistakes will do nothing to find this little girl...IMO

Well, let me just say this.I asked for a link because I too happened to see those photos. In fact, I just went to a board that I once posted on and searched for the discussion. Unfortunately most of the info has been deleted, but IDR, that party was NOT at Crystal's home, but a friends. And the mariujuna decorations were plastic leaves. I too, am weary of the baseless innuendo, and rumor that seems to be most prevalant towards Crystal. Who hasn't had a party when perhaps silly decorations were used that really had no meaning but a good laugh? Yet some, consider what they see was a drug smoke filled party of pot, with choking, gasping children in tow.

Absurd.

moo

[JackiBlu]

Wonder if he was one of the "two detained and questioned"?

Moo too!

You could always give him a call and ask him.

JMO

[panache]

I don't have a link but I did see some pix suggesting thats what it was. Really don't know if any was there.

I thought so. *Suggusted* doesn't make it a fact.

moo

[panache]

You could always give him a call and ask him.

JMO

I'll call him if you have his #.

[panache]

How can that be a lie when there is no proof of Ron beating those kids?

I haven't seen any proof....where is it?

Hasn't Crystal's atty. Kim brought the abuse of the children to the forefront? ISTR Kim speaking often on JVM and NG about this subject. Isn't that where this is coming from? By the same token, Ron's attys. responded with their ohotos, and their explanations of the photos of abuse in question. Seeing that the attys. have engaged in this back and forth,I might add, that the attys. banter seems to be more than a *suggustion*, so it should be allowed that we can discuss that there may or not be abuse factored into this case.

moo

[bama__angel]

Yes, she had a BBQ for those that have helped search for Haleigh. KP said on JMV, I believe, that Crystal has been to local fairs and other places passing out flyers.



Here's what I'm wondering.......I wondering if KP just loves going on these talk shows and always says yes if asked......I"m also wondering if Ron's attorney is asked and just refuses....because KP is doing much better PR for Crystal than Ron's attorney....IMO

[panache]

Just the same as other things being discussed. Especially about the court documents. KP SAYS that she has proof of the abuse but none of us has seen it....so with what we know at this point, it still has not been proven to be true.

But whenever anyone brings up things from the court hearings, we are criticized because 'the judge could have been wrong', 'Crystal was unsure of herself'...it goes on and on.
None of us know or have proof of any of these things especially of Ron and Misty being involved in Haleigh's disappearance but there are allegations of it every single day.

Page 7 and 8 of the court hearings were eyeopening to me. I am of the believe that Crystal got a raw deal.

moo

[?noanswer]

May I ask, who is this Ragen person you keep bringing up? He sounds like a Fraud from your point of view and if he is then imo he needs to be in jail.

I honestly do not know who he/she is, so will you please explain him to me?

The article below says he is a friend of the family.

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-haleigh-bug-foundation-is-open-for-business/


JMO

[AmndaRcknwth]

I saw upthread an inquiry about the mj picture.

It's here: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/crystalwstepbrofiance.jpg

And many more: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/

[panache]

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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT, SEVENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT,IN AND FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDARonald CummingsPetitionerVs.Crystal Diane SheffieldRespondentMOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TOFINDINGS OF MAGISTRATEComes now the Defendant through her undersigned attorney to state thefollowing for the Court:1. During the hearing held December 27, 2005, the Respondent had no legalrepresentation and as such was ignorant of the agistrate's need to hearevidence critical to her cause and the best interests of the couples minorchildren.2. Respondent Is a chronic victim of domestic violence and abuse at thehand of Ronald Cummings and as such was intimidated by the Petitioner.3. Petitioner used his history of control and intimidation to manipulate thetestimony and effectively silence the Respondent.4. The Magistrate is acting upon incomplete information in that the Petitioneris reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. He is furtheralleged to have repeatedly physically abused the respondent.5. His chosen lifestyle and illegal business actions pose a severe risk to thechildren.6. Respondent has a history of having tried cocaine at the insistence of thePetitioner.7. The Respondent lives in McClenny, Florida approximately 80 mules fromthe Petitioner. The Respondent was fired from her job because of the14
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actions of the Petitioner after he had allowed the Mother to take them andthen insisted upon return of the children.8. Presumption in the law under F.S. 744.301(1) is that the mother of a childborn out of wedlock is the natural guardian of the child and is entitled toprimary residential custody.9. The Petitioner is a known abuser who has threatened violence againstothers besides the Respondent.10. Petitioner has a history of abusing not only the Petitioner, but others withinhis own family.11.The Petitioner is alleged to have threatened to kill the Respondent andothers that attract his ill temper.12. Witnesses unrelated to this case, who have issued police reports againstthe Petitioner have stated that they are fearful of retribution.13. The Petitioner does not take care of the children and leaves them withother family members.14. Petitioner has threatened to leave town with the children.15. Habitually the Petitioner has driven recklessly and endangered the lives ofboth the children and the Respondent. The Petitioner has had severalsevere wrecks and is a threat to himself and others.16. The Petitioner is reputed to have wrecked his truck while high on coke andthe children were with him.17. The Respondent lives in McClenny, Florida approximately 80 mules fromthe Petitioner. The Respondent was fired from her job because of theactions of the Petitioner after he had allowed the Mother to take them andthen insisted upon return of the children.18. Presumption in the law under F.S. 744.301 (1 ) is that the mother of a childborn out of wedlock is the natural guardian of the child and is entitled toprimary residential custody.19. If this matter and the underlying and undisclosed issues are not addressednow, then it is only a matter of time before additions significant incidents--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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occur that will demand the Court's attention and the re-hash of what ismore properly addressed now.20. During or about the month of July 2005, Ronald failed to keep control ofthe toddler Haley while she was in his care, and allowed her to wander off.The child was found and rescued by the Mother, floating face down in thecanal behind the house. The mother rescued and revived the child.21.This Court has been manipulated into allowing Ronald Cummings to havetemporary custody of the children - both of whom may be consideredtoddlers, even though Ronald Cummings has demonstrated his inabilityand disinterest in caring for the children.22. Ronald also still lives in the house beside a canal and there has been noeffort to fence or otherwise prevent the 2 toddlers from venturing into thecanal or being at risk from attack by alligators.23. Since leaving Ronald Cummings, Crystal Sheffield has acquired drivingskills, now owns a car, now owns a residence, has succeeded inborrowing a mortgage in her own name, found employment, and isinvolved in a successful and loving relationship with another man








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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT, SEVENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT,IN AND FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDARonald CummingsPetitionerVs.Crystal Diane SheffieldRespondentMOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TOFINDINGS OF MAGISTRATEComes now the Defendant through her undersigned attorney to state thefollowing for the Court:1. During the hearing held December 27, 2005, the Respondent had no legalrepresentation and as such was ignorant of the agistrate's need to hearevidence critical to her cause and the best interests of the couples minorchildren.2. Respondent Is a chronic victim of domestic violence and abuse at thehand of Ronald Cummings and as such was intimidated by the Petitioner.3. Petitioner used his history of control and intimidation to manipulate thetestimony and effectively silence the Respondent.4. The Magistrate is acting upon incomplete information in that the Petitioneris reputed to be a known drug dealer in the community. He is furtheralleged to have repeatedly physically abused the respondent.5. His chosen lifestyle and illegal business actions pose a severe risk to thechildren.6. Respondent has a history of having tried cocaine at the insistence of thePetitioner.7. The Respondent lives in McClenny, Florida approximately 80 mules fromthe Petitioner. The Respondent was fired from her job because of the14

[panache]

I saw upthread an inquiry about the mj picture.

It's here: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/crystalwstepbrofiance.jpg

And many more: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/

LOL...Your just the one I was searching for over at HFTM. Thanks. I knew you had these, but my search was for naught.

[AmndaRcknwth]

LOL...Your just the one I was searching for over at HFTM. Thanks. I knew you had these, but my search was for naught.

LOL, I was in the right place at the right time!

[panache]

Can you explain what part you are talking about? What was eyeopening to you and makes you feel like she got a raw deal? I will go back and re read those pages...

I posted page 7 and 8 of the hearing for you. If you don't believe after reading that, that Crystal was railroaded, I don't know what to say.

The magistrate heard Ron was a *known drug dealer* and Crystal was a victim of *abuse* yet awarded physical custody of those two infants to Ron.

moo

[AlohaRainbow]

I saw upthread an inquiry about the mj picture.

It's here: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/crystalwstepbrofiance.jpg

And many more: http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/

thanks for posting the link to the photos - there were some i hadn't seen before.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings/?action=view&current=h3-2.jpg

this one of haleigh in the recliner with a baby on her lap is sooo precious. :wub:

it breaks my heart that she's missing :crying:

[Squidward]

What's stopping Amber from establishing paternity? It's done all the time. :confused:

good/common sense? :confused:

[AlohaRainbow]

I posted page 7 and 8 of the hearing for you. If you don't believe after reading that, that Crystal was railroaded, I don't know what to say.

The magistrate heard Ron was a *known drug dealer* and Crystal was a victim of *abuse* yet awarded physical custody of those two infants to Ron.

moo

did crystal provide credible evidence to support/prove her allegations re drug dealing and abuse?

[TaraCrazyHair]

What's stopping Amber from establishing paternity? It's done all the time. :confused:



Good Evening

If i recall right, Amber had made it clear she wanted Ron to be no part of her life ...

By not establishing paternity, she is free of him, unless he attempts paternity and wants to be a part of the child's life, then she has no choice

Must be an interesting history going on there .. we know alleged bits and pieces but I think that is more than enough for me to understand if true

[TaraCrazyHair]

I posted page 7 and 8 of the hearing for you. If you don't believe after reading that, that Crystal was railroaded, I don't know what to say.

The magistrate heard Ron was a *known drug dealer* and Crystal was a victim of *abuse* yet awarded physical custody of those two infants to Ron.

moo

Because he could pay the health insurance with his job, where she couldn't

I am constantly amazed by who can end up with custody despite history when it comes down to things like that

Seems the Judge disregarded the allegations on both sides and went with the book

[AlohaRainbow]

I posted page 7 and 8 of the hearing for you. If you don't believe after reading that, that Crystal was railroaded, I don't know what to say.
*snip*
moo
what you posted wasn't a transcript of the hearing, it was a MOTION FOR REHEARING AND OBJECTION TO FINDINGS OF MAGISTRATE.

Lots of claims and allegations are put forth in motions everyday in courts all around the country - but being put forth in a motion doesn't make all allegations true.

[Squidward]

I sure hope they factor in that he's now unemployed with no insurance.

Agree about the next few weeks. Very, very interesting.

Thing is, Ron has already not been able to provide insurance and has clearly been unemployed at least once since he's had the children. I guess either Crystal did not know or want to bring it to a judge's attention at the time.

IA the next few weeks will be interesting, it would be wonderful if Haleigh coming home could be part of it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

then how can people say bad things about Ron if its a good thing he's not in her life?

IMO if Ron really thought that was his baby he would ask for a DNA test and then fight for custody.


Even if Ron's knows it is baby (and according to Misty, it is) who says he would fight for anything?

One more mouth to feed and one more girl to deal with for the next 18 years (Amber)

He left her for Misty the babysitter, remember?

[TaraCrazyHair]

They can with the custodial parents agreement with the school, if asked.

And they can ask about it in domestic court.

All you got to do is ask. No harm in asking.
jmo

The parent without custody can participate with anything regarding the children and school .. in fact it is encouraged

But as far as picking the children up from school, it is a court order kept in the file or a call to the custodial parent to approve it

I think that is standard in any state

[*Spike*]

That was my understanding too. Seems his ex's will do just about anything to be free of him.

Speaks volumes, imo.

yep he probably abused the ex's too. IMO i think he should be locked up. JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

What's stopping Amber from establishing paternity? It's done all the time. :confused:

i don't post here very often, although i do stop by daily to skim the posts to see if there's any updates... i don't recall hearing that amber (or ron, for that matter) has ever confirmed that ron is the father of the baby...

have i missed something?

[TaraCrazyHair]

the book? doesn't the mom usually get the children?

Not anymore!!

But most parents these days go for joint custody

I am kind of surprised these two didn't ... but it is what it is



Ron liked to say he was the better parent but it boiled down to he had a job and insurance and she didn't

(shrug)

I wonder if that particular Judge sleeps well at night right now

[TaraCrazyHair]

i don't post here very often, although i do stop by daily to skim the posts to see if there's any updates... i don't recall hearing that amber (or ron, for that matter) has ever confirmed that ron is the father of the baby...

have i missed something?

Misty did .. on national television in fact

Amber is laying low and out of the spotlight

Ron probably said "I don't know, I was at work"

(shrug)

:)

[Squidward]

That would be the absolute best case scenario, Squidward!

I was asking about his work history earlier. Do you know how often he was unemployed and uninsured since getting custody of the children?

No sorry, I don't know about all of his work history. The only parts I know are from the custody hearing, he was either still in or just out of his 90-day probation period. In the latest article about his newest job loss it says he had just completed his 90-day probation period.

[panache]

wow got a link to that? and why is she wearing a wedding ring? ( or what looks to be a wedding set)

You might have to do a little work yourself, but if your really interested just type in Cummings, Ron with a %, and its all there for you to read. Now perhaps when I ask you for a link, you'll return the favor.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

[TaraCrazyHair]

You got proof it boiled down to the insurance and job?

Enough was certainly said about -- even from his own mouth (with the added "I was the better parent"


Do you have proof that he was a class act and got the custody because he is such a standup man?

All we have is what they say and what the court docs state

Take that as you will

Seems everyone takes it their own way regardless

Bottom line is Haleigh is gone, most likely dead and there is nothing coming to light anymore from the custodial father ... he has gone silently into the night

Would this tragedy have happened on Crystal's watch?

(Most likely not)

[AmndaRcknwth]

wow got a link to that? and why is she wearing a wedding ring? ( or what looks to be a wedding set)

Girls wear rings.

Yes, here is the link, and the snipped part about Misty Amber nayNay:

In that interview, Page tells me he did have a “fling” with Misty the weekend before she reported Haleigh missing, but was not with her that Monday night.
.....
“I was with the girl that weekend,” he says, describing a three-day party of sex, cocaine, pot, and pills. Only in the last two weeks did he learn about his public notoriety with Misty, “when a neighbor read your website and told my mother…I was startled….”
.....
Playing cupid that weekend: a Christina Prevatt, 18, who everyone calls “Nay Nay.” She says she introduced Misty to Page; everyone was eager to get the party started, say both Page and Prevatt, and soon everyone was high, including Misty.

“Cocaine?” I ask Page.

“Yeah, he says, “and pills, all kind of sh!t.”

“What kind of pills?”

“Roxies, and all that,” says Page.

“What are ‘roxies’? ” I ask.

“It’s a breakthrough for Oxycontin,” Page explained. “I’m not going to lie to you, I do a little drugs, but I’m going to straighten up.”

After the news broke about Misty as the witness at the center of the missing child, Page’s mother, Lyn, tells me, “I asked (Greg), ‘Did you go to bed with that girl?’ And he said, he had, three times.’”
.....
Later that week, Wednesday or Thursday before Haleigh vanished, she recalls seeing her son riding around with the girls–Misty, Nay Nay and Amber Brooks, a Ronald Cummings “ex” he dated after Haleigh’s mother, Crystal Sheffield. Amber has custody of their son.

“Greg is a good looking young man,” says Page’s mother, “the girls like him.”

Page says he’d never met Misty until that Thursday, when she fled Ronald and got the ride from Prevatt, an old Misty acquaintance who knew Ronald from Amber Brooks days. Greg said he didn’t know Ronald Cummings. But he was sure hitting it off with his girls.

“Me and Misty and Nay Nay were hanging out, doing drugs and partying, and she came back the next day and we hanged out.”

That weekend, Page says he cruised with the girls between Palatka and St. Augustine, where Amber Brooks tells artharris.com she had words with Misty for purportedly stealing her man and “trying to take my child.” They were pulled apart before it came to blows, says Prevatt.

Misty was trying to forget Ronald, says Prevatt. “Smoking weed, drinking, (taking) downers, roxies, snorting cocaine,” says Prevatt. “She’d turned her phone off and acted like she wasn’t even thinking of Ronald after she hooked up with Greg.”

More here:
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/

But the gist of it is that that NayNay was in a fender bender Feb 3, and the girls who had kids in the car with no carseats went in to Greg's home at his Moms invitation, and that is how Misty meeting Greg happened. From there it was partyhearty, apparently.

[?noanswer]

Thank You, I am still reading it.

Also, Tiffany in this article it say's Haleighbug FOUNDATION.

I just thought you may want to know, because I think you are correct!


Are you reading all the comments? There are several comments, some of them from a person who claims to have direct contact with the family. Also there has been comments on this board re "friend of family". This article say Jerimah Regan is FOF. Don't know if that is who the poster was referring to. JMO

[panache]

Yeah i would love a link to go with that post... and sure sounds like she had an attorney.

Yeah. Your always asking for links but never cough one up yourself.

Here you go, if you really are interested, type in Cummings, Ron with a % and its all there.

As far as Amber wearing a ring, what exactly does that have to do with a little girl that's gone missing is beyond me.

http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/civ_dkts/frame.php

[AmndaRcknwth]

I think Ron, Crystal, Chad and Misty ALL have issues. I wish we knew more but the LE are being tight lipped. Right now all we have are rumors and twisted facts.

IMO Ron never has abused Crystal or his children. But if i'm wrong i hope he rots in prison.

So now you think i'm a relative to Ronald Cummings? This is crazy....

I have a huge problem with any woman that basically just walks out of her childrens lives.

Anyways..........good bye :mad:

Hey, don't go until you read my post, I had a hard time finding that for you...hehehe

[TaraCrazyHair]

no honestly i don't remember. i must have missed that interview. do you have a link? TIA

and so far from everything i've seen Ron seems like a loving father. I can't imagine him not wanting his child. but hey i might be wrong. wouldn't be the first time.

I can dig up the link, it was early on, on Greta I think

I can't say Ron is a loving father or not ... a few pictures and video snips does not a father make ..

What we do know is he was living with Amber, they had a baby, Misty babysat for Ron and Amber, Misty and Ron got together and Amber said she wanted nothing more to do with him and Haleigh is missing

That is about it

(short of the latest we had heard that Amber was partying with Misty the weekend Haleigh went missing which is odd but these are kids .. who knows what or how they think)

[JackiBlu]

I posted page 7 and 8 of the hearing for you. If you don't believe after reading that, that Crystal was railroaded, I don't know what to say.

The magistrate heard Ron was a *known drug dealer* and Crystal was a victim of *abuse* yet awarded physical custody of those two infants to Ron.

moo

Those were not pages of the hearing. It was a Motion for Rehearing and Objection to Findings of Magistrate. It was filed by an attorney representing Crystal; Charles Behm, Esquire

http://www.cbs47.com/media/news/1/3/e/13e1a8a0-e082-477f-9698-11a796f76a10/petineer.pdf

So the Magistrate did not hear the above claims in a hearing but in a motion filed by Crystal's attorney.

So Crystal did have an attorney after the hearing. Kim P is not her first attorney regarding custody as she claims.

[TaraCrazyHair]

If Crystal's deal was so raw,
why.... in 4 years.... did she NOT work, hire an attorney and strive to get her kids back?

I mean really go out and hold down a couple of jobs....
save every nickel she could get her hands on...
document any suspected abuse with dated photos
....include Dr visits to a clinic for legal documentation.
..... a paper trail for use in proving an abuse case.

Why didn't Crystal DO something?
Anything.
:huh:



Didn't she get into a serious car accident?

She couldn't work?

As far abuse allegations ... there were photos but if nobody listened .....

I understand that CS actually calls to announce they are coming. How stupid is that if they really want to catch somebody doing or not doing something?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Thanks for digging up that link for me.
and how do we know Amber was partying with Misty?

Read my post upthread a few.

[JackiBlu]

Thing is, Ron has already not been able to provide insurance and has clearly been unemployed at least once since he's had the children. I guess either Crystal did not know or want to bring it to a judge's attention at the time.

IA the next few weeks will be interesting, it would be wonderful if Haleigh coming home could be part of it.

How do we know Ron did not provide health insurance? If you have insurance while working you can get continue that insurance under the "cobra laws".

[TaraCrazyHair]

yeah she walked out on her children when the Judge asked her to bring in proof and witnesses and she stood up and said NO.......
Did she fight for her children?
and i don't think any of us here are HANDLING anything about this case. We're just giving our opinions.

I do not see her as walking out on her children?

She gave up the fight and for all we know, since she was not working and did not have insurance her advice was to give up for the time being and get a job, insurance, etc ...

Sadly, she listened

Custody battles are gut wrenching .... I guess we need to walk in her shoes to understand her decision

Buy may i ask why everyone is focused on Crystal and the custody?

She was nowhere near Haleigh when she went missing?

She is not the top two to speak of in this case ... and personally, with what we seen out of Misty and Ron from day one until right now .. i would fight tooth and nail to make sure JR was safe

And that seems to be her goal

Crystal's only dog in this fight is not to lose her son as well as her daughter

Why the animosity towards Crystal?

MOO

[5boxersmom]

Reading over at this link someone provided, thanks, Seems someone is posting that Amber is Crystal's cousin. I did not know that if it is true. Someone that knows the family posted it.

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-haleigh-bug-foundation-is-open-for-business/

[Themis]

Whatever the outcome, I hope its based on truth and facts.
Your comment above was about the current DCF investigation.
As for me I am hoping, as I have said before, the best of the best DCF investigators have been assigned. Because they will need it to get at the 'truth and facts.'
I haven't seen much of that so far from either the principals, their families or their close friends.
And without being able to substantiate the abundance of claims of this and that by people who are objective and have no personal agenda or axe to grind, DCF may be in a very difficult position. [JMO * Themis]

[JackiBlu]

Thank You, I am still reading it.

Also, Tiffany in this article it say's Haleighbug FOUNDATION.

I just thought you may want to know, because I think you are correct!

If you go to the website it says Haleighbug Center. It also states that any donations are NON tax deductible. If it was a foundation the donations would be tax deductible.

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Amber Brooks tells artharris.com she had words with Misty for purportedly stealing her man and “trying to take my child.” They were pulled apart before it came to blows, says Prevatt.


So does that mean Ronald did want a DNA test and custody of his son ( if it's his son) ?

No, Misty told Ron (allegedly) that Amber was a bad Mom and he needed to do something about it

He did something alright .. he walked out on Amber and he and Misty moved in together

No wonder Amber said she wanted nothing more to with him

And that would have made Misty 16 at the time I think, ... and Ron lied about how old he was twice until truth was finally known

[Squidward]

I hope he hit the jackpot then. Cobra insurance is outragously expensive.

moo

:thumbup: Thank you for responding to that, it's what I would have said, and very true, I've fallen a bit behind the posts.

[5boxersmom]

Oh Yippy Skippy lets believe what every blogger tells us. :sneaky:

but if they are that sure addes to the drama..

and why did Amber think Misty and Ron were trying to take her son?

Yes I know. This person is also saying that maybe Amber and Crystal set Misty up. :w00t:

Could it get any worse?

Where is Haleigh?

[panache]

Reading over at this link someone provided, thanks, Seems someone is posting that Amber is Crystal's cousin. I did not know that if it is true. Someone that knows the family posted it.

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/crystal-sheffields-haleigh-bug-foundation-is-open-for-business/

That blog crashes my computor. I wouldn't advise opening that link.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara do we have ANY proof of any of this is true?


Well, we have Misty on Amber's myspace page

We have Misty saying yes Ron has another child

We have Amber saying yes but wants nothing to do with Ron

And we have Misty's dad stating the lies about Ron's age

(shrug)

[Squidward]

Thank you and imo the guy can't be all bad. I am so glad he refused those donations.

I wonder if that man ( can't think of his name at the moment) has been checked out again. I think he needs to be if he hasn't been imo.

I think that was that Snodgrass guy, not sure if LE has checked him out again, but last I heard he had been cleared. No link, don't even remember where I read it, but remember seeing it.

[TaraCrazyHair]

How do you really know where Crystal and Chad were that night? the LE sure haven't cleared them nor have they said they were at home. I wonder if the LE has taken a look at their phone records.

Why isn't Crystal fighting for Jr right now?

and my animosity towards Crystal is because i don't think she was ever abused, i think she likes to make up stories to tell the LE, and i think its very odd Haleigh come up missing the day before Crystals child support hearing that could have ended up with her in jail.


MOO

Non payment of child support is contempt of court and would be in motion regardless if a child disappeared

I am sure that was a HUGE red flag for LE early on but obviously that flag lowered because Crystal was not named a suspect or arrested

It would be the Court's discretion to postpone any hearings based on circumstances which they did do

But I am sorry, i do not see crystal killing her daughter to avoid court because that is ludicrous?

She would have no idea the court would postpone any hearing?

and to kill or steal your daughter in order not to lose your license is silly too

But that is my opinion

[TaraCrazyHair]

Does Ambers myspace say Ronalds the father to her son?


It did .. sorta .. if i recall right

And had Misty twice responding on there about taking her man and baby too


To me, it is not either here or there

Amber is a silent victim and wishes to remain that way

I can respect that

[TaraCrazyHair]

If there was a mountian, I'd be looking for the Hatfield and McCoys.. :laugh:

I so agree!

Just a younger version

(:

[panache]

when did Ron say he was father of the year?

All your questions tonight prompt me to ask if you ever tried google. You would be amazed what you can find when you do some research yourself.

[panache]

Why don't you go look for yourself instead of expecting everyone else to answer your non-stop questions?

LOl...Get outa my head. I just said the same, more or less. For a time I thought we were on wikpedia.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Why don't you go look for yourself instead of expecting everyone else to answer your non-stop questions?

I don't mind the questions ... this is one of the most discombobulated cases i have been involved in since Susan Polk (and that was doozy!)

Lots of questions!

[TaraCrazyHair]

well it sure wasn't ludicrous when the guy in Louisiana killed his son over 4000 in back child support ....oddly that's the same amount crystals behind.

Men also kill pregnant women in order to avoid a lifetime of support

Not many women do the same

If any

[TaraCrazyHair]

OMG, I hope you are joking - Can you imagine the exposure Haleigh would get on JVM? Who cares, ratings or no ratings, KEEP Haleigh in the SPOTLIGHT!

It is sad really how many people are not aware of Haleigh

But they sure are aware of Caylee

That is ALL media exposure

[JackiBlu]

Well, we have Misty on Amber's myspace page

We have Misty saying yes Ron has another child

We have Amber saying yes but wants nothing to do with Ron

And we have Misty's dad stating the lies about Ron's age

(shrug)


Where did Misty state that Ron had another child? Where did Amber say she wants nothing to do with Ron? TIA

[TaraCrazyHair]

You're just the latest in a string of many, Tara.

I didn't follow Susan Polk case but this one is a doozy, imo.

Polk was a doozy but they were well off in life

This is a doozy but they are not even close

Polk got recognition

This has died off

[TaraCrazyHair]

Oh please don't ask that question...From my own experiences whenever that question is asked and answered it is always a big fat YES!!! :wink:


Really?!!

I have never once considered Amber and Crystal has being behind this

I only see Ron and Misty anymore

I used to suspect a potential SO or drug relation but since the marriage and the GMA show afterwards... it is all the two of them to me

That is where the answer lies (no pun intended ... well maybe a little bit)

MOO

[Squidward]

well it sure wasn't ludicrous when the guy in Louisiana killed his son over 4000 in back child support ....oddly that's the same amount crystals behind.

That man also made threats prior to doing what he did. He was also a suspect very early on. The child he killed was the only child he was paying support on. How would Crystal benefit by having only Haleigh out of the picture? She'd still have to pay for JR. :confused:

[TaraCrazyHair]

Tara,...I'm sorry i asked about the myspace pages. I won't ask anymore questions.

Thank you for answering me though. :rose:

I really do not mind!

I know some people are not as obsessed as I am so if I can answer a question, I will


I tend to be a bit OCD about these things and am glad to help where and if I can

(:

[JackiBlu]

How about the interview with Julie Chen where Misty was standing there with Ronald and Misty was holding the picture up of ggm sykes, misty, ronald, tn and Haleigh and Jr. You don't remember that? They did not blur this picture. Lemme know if you need the link, there are many, many more examples if you need me to bring them up.

jmo

Totally different than putting him on national tv saying he could have been a witness to a crime; the abduction of Haleigh.

JMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Not that there has been any documents filed and posted here.

The poster I was answering asked why Ron hadn't had DNA done on Amber's child.
I asked why hadn't Amber had it done...

You would think if she wanted/needed child support that's the first step she would have taken in the best interests of the baby.

Perhaps....maybe...possibly... the baby isn't Ron's or Amber isn't 100% sure.... maybe....perhaps...possibly

A baby ties a man and women together for the rest of their lives

If that man is an undesirable ... why invite him to be a part of your life forever?

Apparently to Amber the money was nothing compared to dealing with him?

Some people in this world are not all about the money

(:

[Squidward]

A baby ties a man and women together for the rest of their lives

If that man is an undesirable ... why invite him to be a part of your life forever?

Apparently to Amber the money was nothing compared to dealing with him?

Some people in this world are not all about the money

(:

:thumbsup: I agree!! If Ron is indeed the father and Amber knows it she is very smart for NOT seeking a paternity test. IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

My bold to only address that part. Lots of women have walked in her shoes. Some on here, including myself. And some of us wonder why she did not do whatever in her power to fight more for her kids.
jmo


I have walked in her shoes

Not the same circumstances by far but close enough

I know i almost gave up .. but i had a huge support system and fought (and won )

What support system did she have?

We simply do not know so we should not pass judgment in my opinion

[AlohaRainbow]

Not that there has been any documents filed and posted here.

The poster I was answering asked why Ron hadn't had DNA done on Amber's child.
I asked why hadn't Amber had it done...

You would think if she wanted/needed child support that's the first step she would have taken in the best interests of the baby.

Perhaps....maybe...possibly... the baby isn't Ron's or Amber isn't 100% sure.... maybe....perhaps...possibly
lots of possibly, perhaps, maybe, rumors and questions in this case :)
and lots of strong passionate feelings!

i sure hope little haleigh is found soon :sad:

[panache]

I'm sorry panache, I won't ask anymore questions. I honestly didn't know we weren't suppose to or that it offended others.


:rose:

No one said there is a rule about asking questions. But when a question is answered, you seem to doubt the credibilty. That's why if you look for the info yourself, you might find the results more to your liking.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Very true.....I was just giving my opinion about what could have happen. but like i've said a dozen times i don't think Ron or Crystal had anything to do with Haleigh disappearing.

I do not personally suspect Crystal at all

I do however suspect Misty and Ron a great deal

That is our prerogative on these boards but it is what LE suspects that matters the most

And they are silent

(sigh)

[TaraCrazyHair]

Why wouldn't the same logic be used on Ron? Even worse, he doesn't acknowledge the baby, doesn't even know him, muchless financially support him. If we are talking deadbeats, then Ronald is in that category himself.

moo

I see Ron as a young man who thinks with his penis and wallet

Maybe he will come back out and prove me wrong but for now -- that is where I stand with him


MOO