April 17, 18, 19

[MoonFlwr]

A new thread for Friday.

:rose: :rose: :rose: for Sandra's family.

[juliekan]

Good morning!

Just saw that MH's husband is going to be interviewed on Good Morning America this am.

[For Gabriel]

Thank you Moon for starting this new thread. Another day guys. Yet my heart still aches for this beauty, snuffed out too soon. Did anybody catch her (Melissa's ex) husband on GMA?

[For Gabriel]

Good morning!

Just saw that MH's husband is going to be interviewed on Good Morning America this am.

I watched it. He said what her family has been saying. That he could not believe she did it. Free-spirit. etc. Denied the charges that were brought up agianst him and said Madison was fine, unaware of what her mother did.

[MoonFlwr]

Good morning!

Just saw that MH's husband is going to be interviewed on Good Morning America this am.

Oh wow!
(I'll have to wait for video/transcripts of the show...bohoo!)

Maybe some kind poster could give us an update as it is aired....! (hint hint ;) )

[For Gabriel]

Oh wow!
(I'll have to wait for video/transcripts of the show...bohoo!)

Maybe some kind poster could give us an update as it is aired....! (hint hint ;) )

I did, what I heard. I was making beds and missed the first parts.

[dinojen]

Just heard on the morning news...cbs5 that MH's atty. wants her own autopsy performed to verify the rape charges, the judge said she would need to wait till the judge ruling in the case could make a decision which I would assume would be next week when they are back in court Friday.

Trying to find a link now.

STOCKTON - A judge refused to rule on a request Thursday by Melissa Huckaby's attorney to have 8-year-old Sandra Cantu's body removed from her Tracy mausoleum so the defense could conduct its own autopsy.

San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar's request - drawing the judge's reproach and sharp opposition from the prosecutor - unfolded in a Stockton courtroom the same afternoon thousands of mourners gathered in Tracy to remember Sandra's short life.

San Joaquin County Superior Court Presiding Judge William J. Murray Jr. said he would not make a final determination on Behar's motion, because that decision rests with the judge assigned to the case.

Murray said he was disappointed Behar approached him and not Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss, who has been assigned to take up Huckaby's case next Friday.

Behar said Van Oss is not on the bench this week, and he also expects Van Oss to dismiss himself because of a conflicting case with Huckaby's prosecutor. Behar said he couldn't wait and had no choice but to ask Murray.

"Every hour is critical," Behar told the judge, adding that he's worried Sandra's body is deteriorating. "Any delay will be prejudicial to my client."

Sandra's body was placed in a casket even before Huckaby's arrest. Behar, who was later assigned to Huckaby's case, implied that the autopsy was conducted without Huckaby's interests being represented.

Most homicide cases involve a single, independent pathologist's report such as the one performed by the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.

Behar said in the 14-page request that he wants his own analysis of "genital trauma" Sandra allegedly sustained that supports the lewd and lascivious acts and sexual penetration charges.

Behar seeks to have the Sheriff's Office send officials to Fry Memorial Chapel, who would then take custody of Sandra's body, which was entombed Wednesday at the Tracy Mausoleum.

The Sheriff's Office would "preserve" and "deliver" the body to the Coroner's Office "with all due haste" to prevent further deterioration. Behar's defense pathologist would examine and then return the body to Fry's or Sandra's family, the court motion requests.

"In this case, Ms. Cantu's body is of such material evidence and that, without immediate intervention by this court, her defense will be prejudiced," Behar's motion says.

This is the last chance Huckaby's defense pathologist will ever have an opportunity to refute the people's case, the motion says. Huckaby was not in court for the hearing. Behar declined to comment further outside court.

Put off by Murray, Behar has two options: to make his case before the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal or to wait for next Friday's scheduled hearing in Stockton.


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090417/A_NEWS/904170320





As sad as it is to even think of someone being taken from their resting place.. I would think if it wasn't allowed it could harm the DA's case later... but what do I know..:confused: Just seems the defense should be allowed to verify the autopsy report.:sad:

[MoonFlwr]

I watched it. He said what her family has been saying. That he could not believe she did it. Free-spirit. etc. Denied the charges that were brought up agianst him and said Madison was fine, unaware of what her mother did.

Thanks, For Gabriel :)

Well, every single one of her 'family' members is saying the same thing.

This could mean several things

One possibility: they've decided to all go with the same approach of claiming it not to be anything like her (to aid in her defense or even in response to legal advice)

or

A second possibility: that it was in fact, out of character and she had something like a mental break (psychotic episode..or whatever the terminology is).. and committed the crime while in that state.

or...some other possibilities I may need to think longer about.

[dinojen]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7356264&page=1

The ex-husband of Melissa Huckaby, the California woman accused of the assault and murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu, said his former wife suffered from depression and other mental health problems but he didn't believe she was capable of violence.

"I do believe the emotional issues came into play quite often in her lifetime," Johnny Huckaby told "Good Morning America's" Chris Cuomo in an exclusive interview today.

"She did suffer from depression. She did have issues with ... her self-persona, who she saw herself as," Huckaby, 26, told "GMA."

Huckaby said his former wife was prescribed medication at one point. "So I imagine at some point in time, she did see somebody for the problems," he said.

ABC News has learned that Huckaby was admitted to a local hospital in the days after Sandra's disappearance and that she'd had at least two other relationships with men she claimed abused her.

Watch the full interview today on "Good Morning America," which airs 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. ET.

"I wouldn't wish this on anybody. Especially on the family members of the victim," he said. "But mainly for my daughter. I mean, I do not want my daughter growing up with that type of legacy to look forward to."

Despite her struggle with depression, Huckaby described his ex-wife as a generally "care-free person," not prone to violence. He added that as far as he knew, Melissa was doing well since their split.

"Well from what I understand she went to school and she got a job," he said. "She was making fairly good money. She had a pretty good life going the last I'd heard."

"I don't see this being any type of intentional situation," Huckaby said of the alleged murder.

Huckaby said he was shocked when he saw television coverage of Melissa in the courtroom during her arraignment

"The way she walked out there ... was not the person that I knew," he said. "It was, looks like she was a person in somebody else's body."

Johnny Huckaby, who said he had not talked to his former wife for more than three years, is seeking custody of their daughter. He is remarried and has two other children.

He said that when they separated, Melissa Huckaby moved in with her parents in Southern California, so he rarely saw his daughter.

In 2002, Melissa Huckaby took out a restraining order against a former boyfriend. In a handwritten note obtained by ABC News, Huckaby claimed he stalked her, threatened to kill her and harm her grandfather.

A year later, she was married to Johnny Huckaby. In their divorce papers, she accused him of child abduction and domestic violence, charges he vehemently denies.

His daughter is in a safe place and doing well, Huckaby said.

"She does not have any knowledge of the situation that's going on, which is best," he said.



Video will be up later....

[For Gabriel]

Thanks, For Gabriel :)

Well, every single one of her 'family' members is saying the same thing.

This could mean several things

One possibility: they've decided to all go with the same approach of claiming it not to be anything like her (to aid in her defense or even in response to legal advice)

or

A second possibility: that it was in fact, out of character and she had something like a mental break (psychotic episode..or whatever the terminology is).. and committed the crime while in that state.

or...some other possibilities I may need to think longer about.

YW, Moon. I was thinking the same thing. When Melissa's ex was talking about their daughter, I was thinking to myself...not only did one precious child lose her life, but Madison's is forever changed by the actions of her mother. I'm relieved she is only 5, and as of now, has no clue to what her mother did. Madison has yrs. ahead of her to process this hanus crime!!

[juliekan]

GMA interview with Johnny Huckabee:

Tape segment states that MH has been in 2 prior abusive relationships, that MH said there was domestic violence and "child abduction" in her relationship with JH.

JH says MH was always a carefree person.

Emotional issues? Yes she had depression and issues with her "self persona".

Had she had treatment? No I don't thing so, but she was on meds, so I guess she saw someone at some point.

Was she ever violent? No, never.

Do you think this act was intentional? No.

Where is your daughter? She's in a safe place, she has no knowledge of what is going on.

What about the charges MH had brought about you? I never even received the paperwork, so I did not have a chance in court to rebut the accusation.

(oops, I see Dinojen beat me to the punch!)

[Texas48]

I watched it. He said what her family has been saying. That he could not believe she did it. Free-spirit. etc. Denied the charges that were brought up agianst him and said Madison was fine, unaware of what her mother did.I'm glad you were able to watch it..I missed it by 5 min. Good that her husband made the statement that Madison if fine and especially that she is not aware of what is going on...I am concerned about this little girl and her future. Oh..and TY for starting the thread for today...

[MoonFlwr]

YW, Moon. I was thinking the same thing. When Melissa's ex was talking about their daughter, I was thinking to myself...not only did one precious child lose her life, but Madison's is forever changed by the actions of her mother. I'm relieved she is only 5, and as of now, has no clue to what her mother did. Madison has yrs. ahead of her to process this hanus crime!!

Yes, it is a relief that she is only 5 and that, at present, she doesn't know what happened.
I hope she will grow up far enough away from Tracy, to not be labelled for this horrific incident. Not sure where her dad lives (IF he gets custody).

[Texas48]

Just heard on the morning news...cbs5 that MH's atty. wants her own autopsy performed to verify the rape charges, the judge said she would need to wait till the judge ruling in the case could make a decision which I would assume would be next week when they are back in court Friday.

Trying to find a link now.

STOCKTON - A judge refused to rule on a request Thursday by Melissa Huckaby's attorney to have 8-year-old Sandra Cantu's body removed from her Tracy mausoleum so the defense could conduct its own autopsy.

San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar's request - drawing the judge's reproach and sharp opposition from the prosecutor - unfolded in a Stockton courtroom the same afternoon thousands of mourners gathered in Tracy to remember Sandra's short life.

San Joaquin County Superior Court Presiding Judge William J. Murray Jr. said he would not make a final determination on Behar's motion, because that decision rests with the judge assigned to the case.

Murray said he was disappointed Behar approached him and not Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss, who has been assigned to take up Huckaby's case next Friday.

Behar said Van Oss is not on the bench this week, and he also expects Van Oss to dismiss himself because of a conflicting case with Huckaby's prosecutor. Behar said he couldn't wait and had no choice but to ask Murray.

"Every hour is critical," Behar told the judge, adding that he's worried Sandra's body is deteriorating. "Any delay will be prejudicial to my client."

Sandra's body was placed in a casket even before Huckaby's arrest. Behar, who was later assigned to Huckaby's case, implied that the autopsy was conducted without Huckaby's interests being represented.

Most homicide cases involve a single, independent pathologist's report such as the one performed by the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.

Behar said in the 14-page request that he wants his own analysis of "genital trauma" Sandra allegedly sustained that supports the lewd and lascivious acts and sexual penetration charges.

Behar seeks to have the Sheriff's Office send officials to Fry Memorial Chapel, who would then take custody of Sandra's body, which was entombed Wednesday at the Tracy Mausoleum.

The Sheriff's Office would "preserve" and "deliver" the body to the Coroner's Office "with all due haste" to prevent further deterioration. Behar's defense pathologist would examine and then return the body to Fry's or Sandra's family, the court motion requests.

"In this case, Ms. Cantu's body is of such material evidence and that, without immediate intervention by this court, her defense will be prejudiced," Behar's motion says.

This is the last chance Huckaby's defense pathologist will ever have an opportunity to refute the people's case, the motion says. Huckaby was not in court for the hearing. Behar declined to comment further outside court.

Put off by Murray, Behar has two options: to make his case before the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal or to wait for next Friday's scheduled hearing in Stockton.


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090417/A_NEWS/904170320





As sad as it is to even think of someone being taken from their resting place.. I would think if it wasn't allowed it could harm the DA's case later... but what do I know..:confused: Just seems the defense should be allowed to verify the autopsy report.:sad:TY for the update..and about all I can say right now is Oh Dear Me....this is sad indeed.

[MoonFlwr]

The... "Emotional issues? Yes she had depression and issues with her 'self persona' " statement by her ex husband is a bit of an alarm-bell for mental stability.
It can be very dangerous when a person doesn't have a developed sense of self and doesn't identify with 'who they are'. Sometimes it seems to lead to a disassociated state, where the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. (IMO)

[Keegan]

The... "Emotional issues? Yes she had depression and issues with her 'self persona' statement by her ex husband is a bit of an alarm-bell for mental stability.
It can be very dangerous when a person doesn't have a developed sense of self and doesn't identify with 'who they are'. Sometimes it seems to lead to a disassociative state, where the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. (IMO)

When a person is in a disassociative state they do know what they are doing or what is going on. They just prefer to disassociate from it. It is more likely that the child disassociated. It is a gift.

[juliekan]

Just heard on the morning news...cbs5 that MH's atty. wants her own autopsy performed to verify the rape charges, the judge said she would need to wait till the judge ruling in the case could make a decision which I would assume would be next week when they are back in court Friday.



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Wasn't there some request like this in the Anthony case?

This is where dueling forensic experts come in...both sides take the same autopsy and evaluate it. I think the judge will say no.

[dinojen]

TY for the update..and about all I can say right now is Oh Dear Me....this is sad indeed.


I know I thought the same thing...but would rather have everything done correctly so the truth is known.

It's bad enough there are murder charges...but what if she wasn't raped..what if there aren't special circumstances.. the accused should have the right to prove it and if that requires a second autopsy..

I don't know.. I was surprised when I heard it this morning on the news. I guess her new atty. will either go to another court or have to wait till next Friday the 24th being the case judge is off... again what a mess..

Think the timing was bad also being it was requested the day of the memorial... but I guess time is of the essence..:sad: The PD is just doing his job... :sad:

[MoonFlwr]

When a person is in a disassociative state they do know what they are doing or what is going on. They just prefer to disassociate from it. It is more likely that the child disassociated. It is a gift.

I didn't state that they don't know what they're doing.

[MoonFlwr]

I know I thought the same thing...but would rather have everything done correctly so the truth is known.

It's bad enough there are murder charges...but what if she wasn't raped..what if there aren't special circumstances.. the accused should have the right to prove it and if that requires a second autopsy..

I don't know.. I was surprised when I heard it this morning on the news. I guess her new atty. will either go to another court or have to wait till next Friday the 24th being the case judge is off... again what a mess..

Think the timing was bad also being it was requested the day of the memorial... but I guess time is of the essence..:sad: The PD is just doing his job... :sad:

bolding by me, to comment on a point.

That's a valid point you made!

[Keegan]

The... "Emotional issues? Yes she had depression and issues with her 'self persona' " statement by her ex husband is a bit of an alarm-bell for mental stability.
It can be very dangerous when a person doesn't have a developed sense of self and doesn't identify with 'who they are'. Sometimes it seems to lead to a disassociated state, where the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. (IMO)

You stated that the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. You know you are in your own body and you do feel. A stronger part of the brain takes over (sometimes the one disassociating gives them names) helping them to cope when they are unable. That part of the brain is a gift to the abused and shows the strength of our bodies to cope. That woman knew what she was doing and probably enjoyed it. The child was the one left to disassociate and bring the power of her mind to aid her.

I am s ick of the excuses for these monsters.

[Ice Cycle]

I know I thought the same thing...but would rather have everything done correctly so the truth is known.

It's bad enough there are murder charges...but what if she wasn't raped..what if there aren't special circumstances.. the accused should have the right to prove it and if that requires a second autopsy..

I don't know.. I was surprised when I heard it this morning on the news. I guess her new atty. will either go to another court or have to wait till next Friday the 24th being the case judge is off... again what a mess..

Think the timing was bad also being it was requested the day of the memorial... but I guess time is of the essence..:sad: The PD is just doing his job... :sad:

I agree with this and I would like to know what they have that links her to this murder or the other. This isn't in defense of her but so far what I have heard is not enough to convict her. They surly have more.

[MoonFlwr]

You stated that the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. You know you are in your own body and you do feel. A stronger part of the brain takes over (sometimes the one disassociating gives them names) helping them to cope when they are unable. That part of the brain is a gift to the abused and shows the strength of our bodies to cope. That woman knew what she was doing and probably enjoyed it. The child was the one left to disassociate and bring the power of her mind to aid her.

I am s ick of the excuses for these monsters.

Bolding mine...to comment on that specific point.

I am not intending to be argumentative....just thrashing out my understanding of disassociation.
Being in a state if disassociation (which is brought on by some 'abnormal' circumstances) is the absence of a psychological or emotional awareness of what is going on; the implications of what's going on are obscured, the consequences are obscured. That part of the brain controlling impulse and rational decision-making is subdued temporarily as the disassociated person remains mentally distant from the raw reailty of what's occuring around them.
This could put the person at the risk of violence, self-harm etc.

The other side of disassociation is what you're alluding to ...

When placed in a terrifying/life-threatening a person often disassociates in order to cope with the horrific circumstances they're involved in.

[Keegan]

Bolding mine...to comment on that specific point.

I am not intending to be argumentative....just thrashing out my understanding of disassociation.
Being in a state if disassociation is the absence of a psychological or emotional awareness of what is going on; the implications of what's going on are obscured, the consequences are obscured. That part of the brain controlling impulse and rational decision-making is subdued temporarily as the disassociated person remains mentally distant from the raw reailty of what's occuring around them.This could put the person at the risk of violence, self-harm etc.

The other side of disassociation is what you're alluding to ...

When placed in a terrifying/life-threatening a person often disassociates in order to cope with the horrific circumstances they're involved in.

Yes, the disassociative persona does not recognize the one causing the problem but they do know it occurred. This woman was aware of the raw reality around her. She was able to rape, dump a body and play games with the press. When you disassociate you do not acknowledge the problem. Had she disassociated she wouldn't have been talking about it to any that would listen. It's a secret that person is living within you.

[Texas48]

<snipped>

Wasn't there some request like this in the Anthony case?

This is where dueling forensic experts come in...both sides take the same autopsy and evaluate it. I think the judge will say no.
I know MH is entitled to a *fair* trial and I have forever stood behind that statement..I just don't know about doing *another* autopsy on this baby and it may be the fact that I am not sure Sandra's mother can take yet *another* blow..I an completely thrown off by this request...

[MoonFlwr]

Yes, the disassociative persona does not recognize the one causing the problem but they do know it occurred. This woman was aware of the raw reality around her. She was able to rape, dump a body and play games with the press. When you disassociate you do not acknowledge the problem. Had she disassociated she wouldn't have been talking about it to any that would listen. It's a secret that person is living within you.

Bolding mine...to comment on that point.

In my mind the fact that she openly spoke of any details or sensitive information regarding her part in the crime is actually evidence in favour of a disassociated state. This is because as described earlier the individual still does not draw a connection between actions she recalls and her own involvement in those actions, or culpability. In other words, if she was in a rational state of mind she would not have brought attention to herself at that time.

btw: I am not SAYING she was disassociated....I was merely trying to state that these things happen and have been studied and documented, so should not be dismissed without investigation.

[Texas48]

You stated that the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. You know you are in your own body and you do feel. A stronger part of the brain takes over (sometimes the one disassociating gives them names) helping them to cope when they are unable. That part of the brain is a gift to the abused and shows the strength of our bodies to cope. That woman knew what she was doing and probably enjoyed it. The child was the one left to disassociate and bring the power of her mind to aid her.

I am s ick of the excuses for these monsters.Just like you I am sick of all the horrific crimes committed against innocent children and then we have the *experts* come along and take the accused person and start to *pick apart* their minds..their thoughts..the whys..the what ifs...and soon the victim is at the back of the line..so to speak. I may be completely wrong with the way I'm thinking right now...

[juliekan]

I know MH is entitled to a *fair* trial and I have forever stood behind that statement..I just don't know about doing *another* autopsy on this baby and it may be the fact that I am not sure Sandra's mother can take yet *another* blow..I an completely thrown off by this request...

To me, this sounds like the defense is already saying that whoever did the autopsy was "out to get" MH. When they did the autopsy, they were looking for cause of death. No one had been arrested. They had no idea what had happened to Sandra. Unless there is a precedent in Florida for this, it woud be opening a can of worms. Everyone would be asking for second, maybe third autopsies. It would be like people shopping for experts to testify at trial. If the defense brought in it's OWN doctor for autopsy, it would seem to me that that doctor would have to be biased. :shrug:

[MoonFlwr]

Anyway, I enjoyed the discussion...but it is after midders here and I must away to dream land.

Justice for Sandra.

[dinojen]

I agree with this and I would like to know what they have that links her to this murder or the other. This isn't in defense of her but so far what I have heard is not enough to convict her. They surly have more.


I also have no defense for what she did.. but I sure think if she is going to be accused of special circumstances she should have the right to a fair trial and if that means a second autopsy as sad as that is.. then it should be done. In the article I linked it was stated..

Most homicide cases involve a single, independent pathologist's report such as the one performed by the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.

I hardly consider this your "typical" homicide case.. again.. JMO

I know it would be horrible for the Cantu family.. but we are looking for justice not throwing every charge possible against the defendant and seeing which one sticks.

[dinojen]

To me, this sounds like the defense is already saying that whoever did the autopsy was "out to get" MH. When they did the autopsy, they were looking for cause of death. No one had been arrested. They had no idea what had happened to Sandra. Unless there is a precedent in Florida for this, it woud be opening a can of worms. Everyone would be asking for second, maybe third autopsies. It would be like people shopping for experts to testify at trial. If the defense brought in it's OWN doctor for autopsy, it would seem to me that that doctor would have to be biased. :shrug:

They don't bring in their OWN pathologist.. they use independent pathologists.. which I think would be prudent. Two opinions are better than one especially when you are talking about charges such as MH is facing. JMO

[For Gabriel]

I'm glad you were able to watch it..I missed it by 5 min. Good that her husband made the statement that Madison if fine and especially that she is not aware of what is going on...I am concerned about this little girl and her future. Oh..and TY for starting the thread for today...

I'm concerned as well, Texas.

[For Gabriel]

Yes, it is a relief that she is only 5 and that, at present, she doesn't know what happened.
I hope she will grow up far enough away from Tracy, to not be labelled for this horrific incident. Not sure where her dad lives (IF he gets custody).

Wasn't it postes somewhere here that he owed back child support? If he gets custody, I hope he will man up and raise her right. I agree w/ moving away from Tracy.

[juliekan]

They don't bring in their OWN pathologist.. they use independent pathologists.. which I think would be prudent. Two opinions are better than one especially when you are talking about charges such as MH is facing. JMO

What does the law in Florida say about this? How common is the second autopsy? I don't really follow the Anthony case, but didn't their legal team want to do the same, and the judge said no? Just brought that up since that is also in Florida.

[juliekan]

Wasn't it postes somewhere here that he owed back child support? If he gets custody, I hope he will man up and raise her right. I agree w/ moving away from Tracy.

If he has not spoken to MH in three years, I would wonder if he has seen his child in 3 years.

[For Gabriel]

I know MH is entitled to a *fair* trial and I have forever stood behind that statement..I just don't know about doing *another* autopsy on this baby and it may be the fact that I am not sure Sandra's mother can take yet *another* blow..I an completely thrown off by this request...

Bothers me too, that they would have to remove her from her grave and yet perform another autopsy. I would also hate to see a mistrial due to the fact they did not do it. I want Melissa to stand in judgement for what she did/may have done. I just hurt for Sandra's family to have to deal with this new information as well as what is to come.

[For Gabriel]

If he has not spoken to MH in three years, I would wonder if he has seen his child in 3 years.

Great question, Juliekan! I wonder the same. If Madison has not seen her father, it's going to be difficult to leave her mom (maybe not knowing why she cannot see mommy) and live w/ a man she has not had much contact with. My heart just breaks for Madison as well...

[dinojen]

Great question, Juliekan! I wonder the same. If Madison has not seen her father, it's going to be difficult to leave her mom (maybe not knowing why she cannot see mommy) and live w/ a man she has not had much contact with. My heart just breaks for Madison as well...

Seems like he has a lot of history.. alcohol, domestic violence, non support of child.. and like you say if he hasn't had contact with the child in three years .. what relationship do they have. Even when he was seeing her it was half hour supervised visitations.

Think she is better with her grandparents, go to LA, she has her aunt and two uncles.. I'm sure cousins.. she will be with people she knows and feels loved by. To put her with a stranger even though he is her biological father.. would be wrong.. especially now. JMO

[For Gabriel]

Seems like he has a lot of history.. alcohol, domestic violence, non support of child.. and like you say if he hasn't had contact with the child in three years .. what relationship do they have. Even when he was seeing her it was half hour supervised visitations.

Think she is better with her grandparents, go to LA, she has her aunt and two uncles.. I'm sure cousins.. she will be with people she knows and feels loved by. To put her with a stranger even though he is her biological father.. would be wrong.. especially now. JMO

ITA, Jen. This child needs stability and safety now, more than anything else.

[For Gabriel]

I hope her father is checked out throughly before (if) she is placed.

[Texas48]

I'm concerned as well, Texas.
I don't want to imagine this child when she gets old enough and reads the detailed file and all that goes with it about this case..Its most likely too soon for MH's family to think what happends when that day faces them..Would it be possible to keep all this away from this child forever? So many lives destroyed.

[Texas48]

Wasn't it postes somewhere here that he owed back child support? If he gets custody, I hope he will man up and raise her right. I agree w/ moving away from Tracy.I know I read it somewhere on the board but for the life of me can't remember the details..will search it out.

[dinojen]

I hope her father is checked out throughly before (if) she is placed.

Exactly.. and I'm sure the courts will look long and hard before just turning a child over to a father she doesn't know because of biology.

This child is going to have a hard time dealing with not being with her Mom.. she may not even want to go with him..

If he does go for custody.. it could be very costly... if he never paid child support.. wonder how he will come up with the $$$ for an attorney.

Just thinking.. not suggesting he wouldn't be a good dad... but I sure wouldn't just turn Madison over to him because he's "Dad"..

[Carolyn2005]

Just heard on the morning news...cbs5 that MH's atty. wants her own autopsy performed to verify the rape charges, the judge said she would need to wait till the judge ruling in the case could make a decision which I would assume would be next week when they are back in court Friday.

Trying to find a link now.

STOCKTON - A judge refused to rule on a request Thursday by Melissa Huckaby's attorney to have 8-year-old Sandra Cantu's body removed from her Tracy mausoleum so the defense could conduct its own autopsy.

San Joaquin County Deputy Public Defender Sam Behar's request - drawing the judge's reproach and sharp opposition from the prosecutor - unfolded in a Stockton courtroom the same afternoon thousands of mourners gathered in Tracy to remember Sandra's short life.

San Joaquin County Superior Court Presiding Judge William J. Murray Jr. said he would not make a final determination on Behar's motion, because that decision rests with the judge assigned to the case.

Murray said he was disappointed Behar approached him and not Superior Court Judge Terrence Van Oss, who has been assigned to take up Huckaby's case next Friday.

Behar said Van Oss is not on the bench this week, and he also expects Van Oss to dismiss himself because of a conflicting case with Huckaby's prosecutor. Behar said he couldn't wait and had no choice but to ask Murray.

"Every hour is critical," Behar told the judge, adding that he's worried Sandra's body is deteriorating. "Any delay will be prejudicial to my client."

Sandra's body was placed in a casket even before Huckaby's arrest. Behar, who was later assigned to Huckaby's case, implied that the autopsy was conducted without Huckaby's interests being represented.

Most homicide cases involve a single, independent pathologist's report such as the one performed by the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.

Behar said in the 14-page request that he wants his own analysis of "genital trauma" Sandra allegedly sustained that supports the lewd and lascivious acts and sexual penetration charges.

Behar seeks to have the Sheriff's Office send officials to Fry Memorial Chapel, who would then take custody of Sandra's body, which was entombed Wednesday at the Tracy Mausoleum.

The Sheriff's Office would "preserve" and "deliver" the body to the Coroner's Office "with all due haste" to prevent further deterioration. Behar's defense pathologist would examine and then return the body to Fry's or Sandra's family, the court motion requests.

"In this case, Ms. Cantu's body is of such material evidence and that, without immediate intervention by this court, her defense will be prejudiced," Behar's motion says.

This is the last chance Huckaby's defense pathologist will ever have an opportunity to refute the people's case, the motion says. Huckaby was not in court for the hearing. Behar declined to comment further outside court.

Put off by Murray, Behar has two options: to make his case before the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal or to wait for next Friday's scheduled hearing in Stockton.


http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090417/A_NEWS/904170320





As sad as it is to even think of someone being taken from their resting place.. I would think if it wasn't allowed it could harm the DA's case later... but what do I know..:confused: Just seems the defense should be allowed to verify the autopsy report.:sad:

I'm sorry, but that article bothered me on so many levels. Talking about the condition of her body and all the other stuff. I just don't think that they should disturb her anymore. Just my opinion.

[doradoll]

I just watched his interview on GMA site. He seems fairly articulate, expessing concern for all. Says she had problems with how she viewed herself....her "self persona".....WHY did the interviewer not ask him what that meant? Her sexuality...what she wanted out of life...what?

[juliekan]

What does the law in Florida say about this? How common is the second autopsy? I don't really follow the Anthony case, but didn't their legal team want to do the same, and the judge said no? Just brought that up since that is also in Florida.

my bolding
I can't find anything on the legality, but here is the ruling in another Florida case:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html#-

The lawyers also requested a second autopsy be performed on the remains. The judge said the family would have the right to have that done once the remains are turned over to them.

So is this a law? The next of kin can ask for a second autopsy? If so, I can't believe that Sandra's family would do this.

[psbperu]

No matter what the diagnosis will be for Melissa H., depression etc. the big question is "did she know right from wrong".

There appears to be premeditation & planning, we'll know more later & as far as I'm concerned this looks like a death penalty case.


JMHO

[juliekan]

STOCKTON - A judge refused to rule on a request Thursday by Melissa Huckaby's attorney to have 8-year-old Sandra Cantu's body removed from her Tracy mausoleum so the defense could conduct its own autopsy.

"Every hour is critical," Behar told the judge, adding that he's worried Sandra's body is deteriorating. (wouldn't she have been embalmed?) "Any delay will be prejudicial to my client."

Sandra's body was placed in a casket even before Huckaby's arrest. Behar, who was later assigned to Huckaby's case, implied that the autopsy was conducted without Huckaby's interests being represented.

Most homicide cases involve a single, independent pathologist's report such as the one performed by the San Joaquin County Coroner's Office.

Behar said in the 14-page request that he wants his own analysis of "genital trauma" Sandra allegedly sustained that supports the lewd and lascivious acts and sexual penetration charges.

Behar seeks to have the Sheriff's Office send officials to Fry Memorial Chapel, who would then take custody of Sandra's body, which was entombed Wednesday at the Tracy Mausoleum.

The Sheriff's Office would "preserve" and "deliver" the body to the Coroner's Office "with all due haste" to prevent further deterioration. Behar's defense pathologist would examine and then return the body to Fry's or Sandra's family, the court motion requests.

"In this case, Ms. Cantu's body is of such material evidence and that, without immediate intervention by this court, her defense will be prejudiced," Behar's motion says.

This is the last chance Huckaby's defense pathologist will ever have an opportunity to refute the people's case, the motion says. Huckaby was not in court for the hearing. Behar declined to comment further outside court.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090417/A_NEWS/904170320



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comment and red bolding mine

So the attorney wants "Huckaby's defense pathologist" to do this second autopsy. Doesn't sound unbiased to me.

[dinojen]

Interesting article on child autopsies.. sorry...

http://books.google.com/books?id=k3YJBaPISIEC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=how+many+autopsies+are+allowed+in+a+homicide+in vestigation&source=bl&ots=J_h-WDYAGG&sig=Kk2C6ylDAQeKhGWtPp12mLKlHTw&hl=en&ei=P5joSYiENI_EMvTLreUF&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#PPA159,M1


Scroll down to J.

The part I found interesting is " by a competent forensic pathologist knowledgeable about child abuse"

Also #2
About documentation and Prosecutor's having a second doctor available at the initial autopsy.


Just want this entire investigation to be accurate.. for all those concerned. That's what our justice system is suppose to make sure happens.:sad:

[dinojen]

ITA and because of that, the death penalty, no stone needs to be left unturned. Is the atty she has now qualified for a death penalty case, does anyone know?

The article I read this morning and the news I listened to sounds like she has a new atty. and he is PD Behar.. going to check him out. I'm not sure if the woman that was at her arraignment is still on the case.

Found this...

Sam Behar, a longtime attorney in the San Joaquin County Public Defender's Office, said Wednesday that he will represent Huckaby. He said he knows little about the woman and could not discuss the case.

[For Gabriel]

I don't want to imagine this child when she gets old enough and reads the detailed file and all that goes with it about this case..Its most likely too soon for MH's family to think what happends when that day faces them..Would it be possible to keep all this away from this child forever? So many lives destroyed.

I fear she will find out years down the road.

[juliekan]

thanks, Dinojen, for the article on autopsies.

(sorry brain just now turned on. I don't know why I kept posting that this was in fla. duh, my apologies)

[Texas48]

If he has not spoken to MH in three years, I would wonder if he has seen his child in 3 years.
I thought of that as well julie...I understand she is with MH's mother..? If he does noy that close of a relationship with his daughter..how hard is this going to be for this child? She is certainly going to want her mommie..not understand where her mommie has gone..be uprouted from the MH Park where everyone she knows is at..and now goes to live with her father..his wife and their children.Oh wow..This is not going to be easy on any of these ppl. and especially for this child. Maybe the adults in this case will get some good advise as how to handle this situation..I do hope so.

[Texas48]

Seems like he has a lot of history.. alcohol, domestic violence, non support of child.. and like you say if he hasn't had contact with the child in three years .. what relationship do they have. Even when he was seeing her it was half hour supervised visitations.

Think she is better with her grandparents, go to LA, she has her aunt and two uncles.. I'm sure cousins.. she will be with people she knows and feels loved by. To put her with a stranger even though he is her biological father.. would be wrong.. especially now. JMOITA..I only hope they will be able to put *their* feelings aside and DO what is best for this baby.

[Texas48]

Exactly.. and I'm sure the courts will look long and hard before just turning a child over to a father she doesn't know because of biology.

This child is going to have a hard time dealing with not being with her Mom.. she may not even want to go with him..

If he does go for custody.. it could be very costly... if he never paid child support.. wonder how he will come up with the $$$ for an attorney.

Just thinking.. not suggesting he wouldn't be a good dad... but I sure wouldn't just turn Madison over to him because he's "Dad"..
I quess this is a legal question..he is Madison's bio-dad..does MH have to sign *custody* over to him or does she have the right to sign her child over to her mother..?? Or does Madison automactilly be awarded to her father? Heck..I don't know what I am trying to ask? I'm thinking what I want to ask but the fingers do not type it right..lol..Does anyone have a clue as to what I mean? Making myself sound real stupid here..oh well..anyone?

[Texas48]

my bolding
I can't find anything on the legality, but here is the ruling in another Florida case:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html#-

The lawyers also requested a second autopsy be performed on the remains. The judge said the family would have the right to have that done once the remains are turned over to them.

So is this a law? The next of kin can ask for a second autopsy? If so, I can't believe that Sandra's family would do this.
But doesn't the courts have the right to order a 2nd autopsy?

[For Gabriel]

I'm off for the weekend away. I feel guilty that I have my beautiful blessings with me, and Sandra's family does not. Blessings to all!

[juliekan]

But doesn't the courts have the right to order a 2nd autopsy?

I guess so, that's why you have court orders for exhumation of bodies. The Pros Attorney in the original article said he wants to speak with the coroner that did the autopsy and Sandra's parents should be able to have their input.
But I don't think the defense gets to pick who does what to the body.

[dinojen]

But doesn't the courts have the right to order a 2nd autopsy?

The way I understand it.. the PD goes before the judge to request it.. I guess they will have to show proof as to why it's necessary. Not sure if the family has a say in it or not.



Behar has two options: to make his case before the state's 3rd District Court of Appeal or to wait for next Friday's scheduled hearing in Stockton.

Now the kink here is..

The judge for next Friday I believe is Terrence Van Oss...but Behar is supposedly going to ask him to recuse himself from the case. That's because of a conflicting case with the prosecutor.

So that delays it even longer if the Judge chooses to step aside.. I'm curious now what the conflict is:confused:

[Texas48]

thanks, Dinojen, for the article on autopsies.

(sorry brain just now turned on. I don't know why I kept posting that this was in fla. duh, my apologies)No apologies needed..lol. Talking about your brain...I knew *what* you meant so I just let it go by...lol.

[Texas48]

I guess so, that's why you have court orders for exhumation of bodies. The Pros Attorney in the original article said he wants to speak with the coroner that did the autopsy and Sandra's parents should be able to have their input.
But I don't think the defense gets to pick who does what to the body.Oh My Goodness..so they do have to discuss this with Sandra's parents..??

[juliekan]

Oh My Goodness..so they do have to discuss this with Sandra's parents..??

from the article:

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa argued against Behar, saying he needed time to prepare a written response, consult with Tracy police detectives and his pathologist and give Sandra's family a chance to be in court and state their own objection to disturbing the girl's remains

[aproudmom]

GMA interview with Johnny Huckabee:

Tape segment states that MH has been in 2 prior abusive relationships, that MH said there was domestic violence and "child abduction" in her relationship with JH.

JH says MH was always a carefree person.

Emotional issues? Yes she had depression and issues with her "self persona".

Had she had treatment? No I don't thing so, but she was on meds, so I guess she saw someone at some point.

Was she ever violent? No, never.

Do you think this act was intentional? No.

Where is your daughter? She's in a safe place, she has no knowledge of what is going on.

What about the charges MH had brought about you? I never even received the paperwork, so I did not have a chance in court to rebut the accusation.

(oops, I see Dinojen beat me to the punch!)

thank god she is safe
well I just read they wanted to have another autoposy but judge denied it..why was this not ask for sooner she was just laid to rest 2 days ago...

[dinojen]

from the article:

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa argued against Behar, saying he needed time to prepare a written response, consult with Tracy police detectives and his pathologist and give Sandra's family a chance to be in court and state their own objection to disturbing the girl's remains

I think Sandra's parents can state their opinion.. but the decision will be up to the court.

The court will need to be impartial as painful as it would be for the family..

I would think they would of had more than one opinion in the first place.. in regards to the autopsy.. :confused:

[BitterSweet]

I don't want to imagine this child when she gets old enough and reads the detailed file and all that goes with it about this case..Its most likely too soon for MH's family to think what happends when that day faces them..Would it be possible to keep all this away from this child forever? So many lives destroyed.

Texas48 indeed so many lives destroyed, it is heartbreaking.

Technology is a wonderful thing.
The sad part is thinking of MH's daughter in the future reading how people feel about her, let alone details of the case.
I also think of Sandra's sister reading the posted speculations at this point, which just breaks my heart.

BitterSweet

[juliekan]

I think Sandra's parents can state their opinion.. but the decision will be up to the court.

The court will need to be impartial as painful as it would be for the family..

I would think they would of had more than one opinion in the first place.. in regards to the autopsy.. :confused:

hopefully they did, hopefully someone with good credentials as to child abuse. I think that's why he wants to "consult" with the pathologist. If not, better get that second opinion.

I think asking the parents to "state their objections" will only come in as an emotional ploy. Hope they don't have to do that :sad:

[Texas48]

from the article:

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa argued against Behar, saying he needed time to prepare a written response, consult with Tracy police detectives and his pathologist and give Sandra's family a chance to be in court and state their own objection to disturbing the girl's remainsOK...so Sandra's relatives will get to speak and make objections..wow..I hope and pray...that one of Sandra's relatives do not loose control..I would quess not only are they filled with sorrow but with all sorts of emotions...kwim?

[aproudmom]

from the article:

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Thomas Testa argued against Behar, saying he needed time to prepare a written response, consult with Tracy police detectives and his pathologist and give Sandra's family a chance to be in court and state their own objection to disturbing the girl's remains

Why was this not ask for before Wednesday when they laid her to rest..makes no freaking since just put the family through more..once again the victim becomes more victimized..they could have requested that she not be laid to rest until they had a chance to file for a second autopsy..and a judge could have ordered her body to not be released until then...aww sorry I just can not handle thinking of this child being taken out of her resting place I have no problem with them have a autopsy but before she had been laid to rest...just one more punch to the family..sorry had to get that out..:thumbdown:
BTW Good Afternoon everyone..

[MoonHarvest]

I'm just so sad over this case.

I look at the pictures of Sandra and the pictures of her Mother and Sisters at her memorial yesterday and weep inside. Here was a Mother who it appears was doing everything right, now devastated. Sandra looked so wholesome and positive as she skipped joyfully down her street.

I keep thinking I need to do something for Sandra's Mother, but what? I can only begin to imagine the endless sorrow and pain she must be feeling.

I wish the Extreme makeover show (are they still around) would (quietly/no publicity) build a beautiful home for them with the most beautiful garden filled with lots of flowers (Sandra's Garden)

Poor Sandra's family now having to decide about having her little body taken from it's resting place. Darn it.

[lunchlady]

It would have been kinder and even more polite to request a second opinion autopsy BEFORE Sandra was buried. Requesting to exhume her the day after that lovely memorial is pretty brutal. I realize things move fast in this phase but I bet it crossed the defense's mind that they would want another autopsy days ago.

If I was Sandra's mother I might chose to jeopardize the rape charges and the death sentence rather than allow the defense to further desecrate Sandra's body. I realize this would give the defense an excuse to discredit the autopsy results throughout the trial, but the difference for me between the death sentence and LWOP is usually small. I might feel very differently if this had been my daughter, but it takes so many years to go through all those appeals and rigamarole for the death penalty it sometimes seems like a big waste of time and money. Also LWOP can't be much fun, but I guess its funner than being dead, at least for most people. It is infuriating to think of some criminals eating all those meals and watching TV when the victim is dead but the cost to taxpayers of LWOP compared to reaching an actual execution is probably about the same overall.

Could refusing another autopsy possibly jeopardize the whole case or just the rape charges? I guess its hard to know since we don't yet know all the details.

I fear that the whole trial will be ugly with this as an opener. Most perps (and their lawyers) are only interested in avoiding punishment, so they are shameless about accusing others and trying to deflect responsibility in any imaginable way. This is how the system works. The prosecution is required to prove that the perp is guilty and justify the severity of the sentence as well. So there will be fresh trauma for Sandra's mother all through the trial.

[horsecrazy]

You stated that the person is carrying out acts without even feeling as if they are in their own body. You know you are in your own body and you do feel. A stronger part of the brain takes over (sometimes the one disassociating gives them names) helping them to cope when they are unable. That part of the brain is a gift to the abused and shows the strength of our bodies to cope. That woman knew what she was doing and probably enjoyed it. The child was the one left to disassociate and bring the power of her mind to aid her.

I am s ick of the excuses for these monsters.

I am, too! Sick to death of excuses made. Every quilty person either does not know or has an excuse. She got that suitcase out with a plan and got Sandra's sister to babyside her daughter (correct me if wrong). She had been waiting for the opportune time.

You have got to feel sympathy for Mellissa's family. But, I think of her waving from her Kia and texting the paper. She was in the limelight and enjoying the thrill of her actions. Oh, I could go on and I am probably out of the order of things on this board.

[Texas48]

Why was this not ask for before Wednesday when they laid her to rest..makes no freaking since just put the family through more..once again the victim becomes more victimized..they could have requested that she not be laid to rest until they had a chance to file for a second autopsy..and a judge could have ordered her body to not be released until then...aww sorry I just can not handle thinking of this child being taken out of her resting place I have no problem with them have a autopsy but before she had been laid to rest...just one more punch to the family..sorry had to get that out..:thumbdown:
BTW Good Afternoon everyone..No need for *sorry* mom...I believe ALL feels the same..and ITA ...all this should have been brought up *before* she was laid to rest. Was not an attorney appt. to MH when she was arrested? why was that not thought of? Too many whys on my part....

[omsk99]

To me, this sounds like the defense is already saying that whoever did the autopsy was "out to get" MH. When they did the autopsy, they were looking for cause of death. No one had been arrested. They had no idea what had happened to Sandra. Unless there is a precedent in Florida for this, it woud be opening a can of worms. Everyone would be asking for second, maybe third autopsies. It would be like people shopping for experts to testify at trial. If the defense brought in it's OWN doctor for autopsy, it would seem to me that that doctor would have to be biased. :shrug:

Excellent point! It is true that when the autopsy was performed, MH wasn't arrested, so no one was out to "get her". For the sake of Sandra's family, I hope they don't do it, but at the same time; I hope that won't damage the DA's case later. :read:

[logbump]

No need for *sorry* mom...I believe ALL feels the same..and ITA ...all this should have been brought up *before* she was laid to rest. Was not an attorney appt. to MH when she was arrested? why was that not thought of? Too many whys on my part....
I believe the child was interred before the arrest.

[Texas48]

In my own situation in PA, when I had a serious accident (and have now recovered),I had nothing between my sons dad & myself as to what would happen to DS if I had died. As it turned out, his dad by law has the 1st choice, even if I make arrangements via a will, and would want DS to go to someone else in the family, without dad's concent...the child will go to the bio-father.This is how I believe it would be unless MH's mother files something in court to have custody...but then you have a lengthly trial and what good does this do this child..?? as I said before I hope they can *work* together for what is best..

[omsk99]

ITA, Jen. This child needs stability and safety now, more than anything else.

I don't know... I know Madison probably doesn't know her father very well, but in the long run, I think it would be best for her to be with her father and half-siblings. Grandparents will get older and won't be able to take proper care of her, especially as she becomes a teenager. Her aunts & uncles have their own families and she may not be a priority for them. Of course, it's not our place to decide; JMO.

[Texas48]

It was that public defender that she knew from before, she may not have known enough about it to ask? It does seem pretty brutalI agree madame...you are correct..and I think you found the one word that fits all the way around..Brutal....

[omsk99]

I'm just so sad over this case.

I look at the pictures of Sandra and the pictures of her Mother and Sisters at her memorial yesterday and weep inside. Here was a Mother who it appears was doing everything right, now devastated. Sandra looked so wholesome and positive as she skipped joyfully down her street.

I keep thinking I need to do something for Sandra's Mother, but what? I can only begin to imagine the endless sorrow and pain she must be feeling.

I wish the Extreme makeover show (are they still around) would (quietly/no publicity) build a beautiful home for them with the most beautiful garden filled with lots of flowers (Sandra's Garden)

Poor Sandra's family now having to decide about having her little body taken from it's resting place. Darn it.


What a beautiful idea about a house... Don't know if you remember, but Patty Porter, Jessie Marie Davis' mother, was presented a new house by a real estate company (can't remember which one), where she is raising Jessie's son Blake. I think it would be a wonderful gesture, and most certainly helpful. Perhaps in a different community, for the sake of Sandra's siblings?..

[aproudmom]

No need for *sorry* mom...I believe ALL feels the same..and ITA ...all this should have been brought up *before* she was laid to rest. Was not an attorney appt. to MH when she was arrested? why was that not thought of? Too many whys on my part....

I know and that is my problem they said her body was in a coffin before his client was even arrested but she was not laid to rest so this could have been brought up before wed..when the family had her private burial...fine if they wanted their own autopsy but they could have made this motion a little sooner..wonderful timing but most that prepresent monsters have no heart anyway they just want to put things off and only bring more hardship for the family in hopes if convicted they will have so many appeal issues..and that is MO:cursing:

[koawally]

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

MH's ex husband speaks

[dinojen]

Why was this not ask for before Wednesday when they laid her to rest..makes no freaking since just put the family through more..once again the victim becomes more victimized..they could have requested that she not be laid to rest until they had a chance to file for a second autopsy..and a judge could have ordered her body to not be released until then...aww sorry I just can not handle thinking of this child being taken out of her resting place I have no problem with them have a autopsy but before she had been laid to rest...just one more punch to the family..sorry had to get that out..:thumbdown:
BTW Good Afternoon everyone..


Quite possibly because this is a new attorney and he might of just gotten caught up to speed on the case or have just been handed it.

While I realize it was horrible timing... he is thinking of the person he is representing..

This guys Behar's name just came up yesterday... until then it was the woman that was with her at her arraignment.

[aproudmom]

I agree, the timing is horrible.

But it seems like this really needs to be done, and it may already be too late.

These accusations are SO unusual, and the family, friends, everyone is in such complete disbelief that if all the evidence they have are injured appearing genitalia (no photos, no other children corroborating, no implements, no forensics at the scene) this needs to be done. I know I'm vocal in my skepticism that these charges are correct, but it's true that many times normal variation in genitalia is mistaken for injury. At the very least a second opinion is warranted.

As sad as it is for the family to have her disinterred - how comforted they might be at the news that in fact, the initial autopsy was probably incorrect.

Like you said my only problem is the timing..other than that fine I have no problem..why they did not ask for this when they charged her with this that is my only problem..of course I would rather a conviction to stick..jmo

[koawally]

Quite possibly because this is a new attorney and he might of just gotten caught up to speed on the case or have just been handed it.

While I realize it was horrible timing... he is thinking of the person he is representing..

This guys Behar's name just came up yesterday... until then it was the woman that was with her at her arraignment.

It is horrible timing...but any time would be horrible timing for a second autopsy.

MH has been charged with some very serious charges. She needs full representation and part of that representation requires full completion and understanding of all information including an autopsy results from a defense perspective.

[sunstar]

I know I thought the same thing...but would rather have everything done correctly so the truth is known.

It's bad enough there are murder charges...but what if she wasn't raped..what if there aren't special circumstances.. the accused should have the right to prove it and if that requires a second autopsy..

I don't know.. I was surprised when I heard it this morning on the news. I guess her new atty. will either go to another court or have to wait till next Friday the 24th being the case judge is off... again what a mess..

Think the timing was bad also being it was requested the day of the memorial... but I guess time is of the essence..:sad: The PD is just doing his job... :sad:
Hi dinojen! I was just thinking though, what if the suspect hadn't been arrested until way after the victim had been buried (or better yet, cremated) ~ wouldn't they just have to rely on what the ME found at autopsy? Just because Sandra was interred this week shouldn't give them cause to exhume her body for their own autopsy. I'd also think the ME preserved any relevant tissue samples for defense testing. The defense motion just seems an invasion of the victim's rights, including Sandra's family. :crying: MOO

[titanfan217]

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

MH's ex husband speaks

Thanks for sharing the link. I'd missed it.

[dinojen]

Going to do some research on this Behar guy later today.. I'm curious as to what cases he has done.

I would love to do it right now.. but I must earn my paycheck.. plus I have a pest bugging me for his per diem check.. would be okay if it was a guy I liked.. but this one is the biggest PIA I have ever met.. so I'm taking my sweet time.. just because I can..

I'll check out Behar and see what he has done soon as I finish doing the checks.

[aproudmom]

Quite possibly because this is a new attorney and he might of just gotten caught up to speed on the case or have just been handed it.

While I realize it was horrible timing... he is thinking of the person he is representing..

This guys Behar's name just came up yesterday... until then it was the woman that was with her at her arraignment.

ok well then that could be why..I would hope there is a reason why. it is not unusual for them to ask for a second autopsy as a lot seen in caylee's case when her remains stayed in a funeral home for well over a month waiting for them to do their second autopsy..so this is her new PD?

[dinojen]

Hi dinojen! I was just thinking though, what if the suspect hadn't been arrested until way after the victim had been buried (or better yet, cremated) ~ wouldn't they just have to rely on what the ME found at autopsy? Just because Sandra was interred this week shouldn't give them cause to exhume her body for their own autopsy. I'd also think the ME preserved any relevant tissue samples for defense testing. The defense motion just seems an invasion of the victim's rights, including Sandra's family. :crying: MOO


I know the thought of a second autopsy is not pleasant.. but what I am wondering being it was a homicide why only one opinion, especially in such a case with such high interest.

I know as much as everyone else does... and if I was the parent of the accused .. I would hope they would grant a second autopsy. It's not pleasant but it works both ways..

Her attorney is going to have to defend her.. and needs proof that the special circumstances she is charge with are there.. should he have to take the word of one pathologist? Not defending MH ... just thinking legally what would be justice to the accused.

I don't know if that makes any sense... I gotta write the PIA's check..

Be back in a bit.

[sunstar]

I know the thought of a second autopsy is not pleasant.. but what I am wondering being it was a homicide why only one opinion, especially in such a case with such high interest.

I know as much as everyone else does... and if I was the parent of the accused .. I would hope they would grant a second autopsy. It's not pleasant but it works both ways..

Her attorney is going to have to defend her.. and needs proof that the special circumstances she is charge with are there.. should he have to take the word of one pathologist? Not defending MH ... just thinking legally what would be justice to the accused.

I don't know if that makes any sense... I gotta write the PIA's check..

Be back in a bit.
I understand what you're saying, but my question is more of a "what if" ~ like if she'd been cremated, for example, then what? They'd still have to rely on the ME. Or if she'd been interred for a while and all tissue was gone, then what? Maybe I'm just confused! :confused: I do think though that Sandra's family might not argue about it since I'm sure they want the monster who did this to their daughter either in prison for life or receive the DP. MOO

[StickyBeak]

I feel so sad for Sandra's family, just laying her to rest and then to possibly disinter. I do think the defense should have the right ref. mistrials and incompetent council, etc. I also think it would not be the first time a ME messed up, just too bad it was not addressed before she was buried. I remember reading a few nights ago about Madison's father, last addy was kansas IIRC, then no one could find him. He owed quite a lot of back child support, thought MH had a open case on this. Makes me wonder why all of a sudden he is back in the picture, seemed there was no concern for many years. Hope her father is not thinking of $$$ down the line, JMO

[aproudmom]

Going to do some research on this Behar guy later today.. I'm curious as to what cases he has done.

I would love to do it right now.. but I must earn my paycheck.. plus I have a pest bugging me for his per diem check.. would be okay if it was a guy I liked.. but this one is the biggest PIA I have ever met.. so I'm taking my sweet time.. just because I can..

I'll check out Behar and see what he has done soon as I finish doing the checks.

great can you let me know I was getting ready to do the same..but if you are I will just let you do it.:tonguewag:..lol..I am going back and forth from the live trial.. have fun making that paycheck.. let me know if you find anything on this new PD

[aproudmom]

I feel so sad for Sandra's family, just laying her to rest and then to possibly disinter. I do think the defense should have the right ref. mistrials and incompetent council, etc. I also think it would not be the first time a ME messed up, just too bad it was not addressed before she was buried. I remember reading a few nights ago about Madison's father, last addy was kansas IIRC, then no one could find him. He owed quite a lot of back child support, thought MH had a open case on this. Makes me wonder why all of a sudden he is back in the picture, seemed there was no concern for many years. Hope her father is not thinking of $$$ down the line, JMO

What I read is she was still trying even up to february to collect child support..it is very hard they expect you to find the father or mother and if they are working then they want you to let them know that also..so I am not sure why he is coming out now..he is not around his daughter...she should stay with her family IMO

[omsk99]

Forensic Criminologist: "Cantu suspect may have had an accomplice"

"A rash of mass killings and sexual predator killings has many of us baffled. What's behind these disturbing crimes? Can criminals be stopped before they act out? In this Central Valley Focus, Jon Brent sits down for an exclusive interview with the internationally known criminologist and director for forensic studies at Alliant University, Dr. Eric Hickey to get some answers. Hickey talks about mass murderers and analyzes the killing of 8 year old Sandra Cantu of Tracy. Hickey says there are social indicators that contribute to those on the fringe of society who act out."

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/43160862.html (video)

[aproudmom]

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[aproudmom]

but if something was done to MH as a child how do we know someone in the family didn't do it? and she needs to be far away from all the press, media, etc. she's too young for this, IMO

o god forgot about that I have heard alot of experts say they think she could have been..gosh I dont know what should happen does he want her now? I did not see him on TV just what I have read..

[aproudmom]

Have we ever heard him say this usually it was if there was anyone else they would be behind bars..did I miss something since yesterday??

When asked if more arrests could be made in connection with the alleged sexual abuse of Sandra, Sheneman replied: "Anything is possible. But there's no indication" that will happen.
Huckaby, a 28-year-old single mother whose 5-year-old daughter played with Sandra, remained in the San Joaquin County Jail without bail. On Tuesday, Huckaby was charged with kidnapping, raping and killing her 8-year-old neighbor before dumping her body into a suitcase. The crimes could carry a death sentence.

Her daughter is on a vacation with a relative that was planned before her mother's arrest, said Connie Lawless, the woman's grandmother with whom she lives.

[Texas48]

but if something was done to MH as a child how do we know someone in the family didn't do it? and she needs to be far away from all the press, media, etc. she's too young for this, IMOYou are so right imo..I believe it would be in her best interest to get as far away as possible...I think the bio-dad is the best choice for this child...He is married and they have children together and it might be the best..It would make it so much easier if the dad had had a relationship prior to this incident and its possible he did..time will tell.

[Texas48]

omg ok well not even going to look but :scared:I didn't even take time to think about it mom....passed right on by..too scary..:scared:

[Riverwalk!]

I know I read it somewhere on the board but for the life of me can't remember the details..will search it out.

It's in the links thread where I posted the child support in Kansas.

[aproudmom]

yes, her dad wants her

Oh ok did not know that...well if they check him out he may get her..was he on GMA if so I should be able to watch it later on

[Texas48]

Out of the whole video, he made 1 statement, she MAY have had an accomplis, MAY be covering up. It's his own opinion. The LE has more knowledge of this case than he does. Anyone can say what he said and have, still not the truth, just an opinion. IMO that website just had space to fill.
I am going to stick with what LE is saying all the way with this case..It seems to me they know exactly what happened...jmo

[aproudmom]

Maybe he means, she could implicate someone else. But as of yet has not indicated to them that anyone else was involved. Just a guess.

I'm hungry....... wonder if I went and chewed on some zacto blades if I would get SSD faster.:tonguewag:

no dont do it stay away from the blades:tonguewag:back at ya SNAZZY

[Riverwalk!]

Oh ok did not know that...well if they check him out he may get her..was he on GMA if so I should be able to watch it later on

It was already posted. Scroll up. After you post it's best to go back to where you left off and you won't miss incoming posts. :thumbsup:

[aproudmom]

IMO ONLY she is covering for someone, and who knows maybe been threatened, maybe if her daughter is out of the area she just may start naming some names, or one name anyway. I still think the Sinclair guy will figure in this somewhere, but that's only my opinion

shh dont tell but I have always said I have a gut feeling as far as that person but like you it is JMO

[Riverwalk!]

All about John Huckaby and wife Amanda in Kansas. He has "issues" there about $$$$$. Don't know if it has anything to do with upcoming custody of his and MH's child? You can click on each one to read what's what.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=John&middle=&last=Huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internet

[aproudmom]

It was already posted. Scroll up. After you post it's best to go back to where you left off and you won't miss incoming posts. :thumbsup:

ok River stop making me sound stupid.:tonguewag: I read what was said or some of it but did not notice the video was on here..sorry my fault trying to do to much at one time.live trial on also:biggrin:

[Riverwalk!]

ok River stop making me sound stupid.:tonguewag: I read what was said or some of it but did not notice the video was on here..sorry my fault trying to do to much at one time.live trial on also:biggrin:

lol. Multi-postings on multi-forums? lol

[aproudmom]

All about John Huckaby and wife Amanda in Kansas. He has "issues" there about $$$$$. Don't know if it has anything to do with upcoming custody of his and MH's child? You can click on each one to read what's what.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=John&middle=&last=Huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internet

looks like dr bills but does show she was tring to get support as early as FEB
02/11/2009 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

[aproudmom]

lol. Multi-postings on multi-forums? lol

No it is on break right now..so wanted to see what was new with little Sandra did not think I would get on here and see dad has been talking and the def wants a autopsy...

[Texas48]

Have we ever heard him say this usually it was if there was anyone else they would be behind bars..did I miss something since yesterday??

When asked if more arrests could be made in connection with the alleged sexual abuse of Sandra, Sheneman replied: "Anything is possible. But there's no indication" that will happen.
Huckaby, a 28-year-old single mother whose 5-year-old daughter played with Sandra, remained in the San Joaquin County Jail without bail. On Tuesday, Huckaby was charged with kidnapping, raping and killing her 8-year-old neighbor before dumping her body into a suitcase. The crimes could carry a death sentence.

Her daughter is on a vacation with a relative that was planned before her mother's arrest, said Connie Lawless, the woman's grandmother with whom she lives.I wounder and I may have missed it..did MH's mother actually take her GD on a *planned* trip or did MH ask her mother to take her? if it was a scheduled trip then I wounder how MH's mother was notified about what had happened...??anyone?

[Texas48]

yes, her dad wants herthe only things I know about the bio-dad is what was talked about here
..I am so glad that he does *want* his daughter. Many many years from now that may become a huge factor in this child's life. I just hope there won't be a battle over her..MH's Mom...her GP..other relatives..??

[aproudmom]

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

MH's ex husband speaks

Thanks for posting this..missed it.

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

[Texas48]

Maybe he means, she could implicate someone else. But as of yet has not indicated to them that anyone else was involved. Just a guess.

I'm hungry....... wonder if I went and chewed on some zacto blades if I would get SSD faster.:tonguewag:
ouch.....I want to never think of that again..lol:scared:

[aproudmom]

the only things I know about the bio-dad is what was talked about here
..I am so glad that he does *want* his daughter. Many many years from now that may become a huge factor in this child's life. I just hope there won't be a battle over her..MH's Mom...her GP..other relatives..??

I have a feeling he will have to fight for her..jmo but I see them trying to keep her I may be wrong...

[Texas48]

yes it would be easier, but children adapt very well to new situations. if they do it right, she will think she is on a wonderful vacation.I believe you..and agree..this child may have a chance at life (as u said) if they do it right...Bless her little soul..

[Texas48]

IMO ONLY she is covering for someone, and who knows maybe been threatened, maybe if her daughter is out of the area she just may start naming some names, or one name anyway. I still think the Sinclair guy will figure in this somewhere, but that's only my opinionThe Sinclair man...is that the man they show on TV..the man MH had a date with or something like that?

[aproudmom]

I wounder and I may have missed it..did MH's mother actually take her GD on a *planned* trip or did MH ask her mother to take her? if it was a scheduled trip then I wounder how MH's mother was notified about what had happened...??anyone?

MH father said it was a planned trip in Southern CA and she left the day after Sandra went missing..so that is what has came from her family..

[Texas48]

no dont do it stay away from the blades:tonguewag:back at ya SNAZZYlol..both of you..her tongue won't be wagging that fast if she gets those blades down..lol:scared:

[aproudmom]

The Sinclair man...is that the man they show on TV..the man MH had a date with or something like that?

Yes he is..his SIL posted on here 2 times..

[dinojen]

I have a feeling he will have to fight for her..jmo but I see them trying to keep her I may be wrong...


I do too.. and I also think if he started out with visiting her and getting to know her first might be better.. don't just snag her from people she knows and loves and put her with someone she hasn't even had a relationship with because he has the same DNA...

This child is going to go through alot when she realizes her Mom is gone from her life.. amazing now he wants custody... when he wasn't even worried about visitation or paying child support..:unsure:

[Brattnt]

I wounder and I may have missed it..did MH's mother actually take her GD on a *planned* trip or did MH ask her mother to take her? if it was a scheduled trip then I wounder how MH's mother was notified about what had happened...??anyone?

The Huckaby's have said it was a planned trip, but who knows if thats true espically since MH was hospitalized right around that time frame...I heard MH father say he had been in contact with his wife Judy, so I guess that he is the one who told her...No link, so will state this as MO...

[aproudmom]

lol..both of you..her tongue won't be wagging that fast if she gets those blades down..lol:scared:

here is a pic of him the day after he got arrested he was on tv

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scquestionedChrisSinclair.jpg

oh an stay away from the blades:tonguewag:

[Texas48]

All about John Huckaby and wife Amanda in Kansas. He has "issues" there about $$$$$. Don't know if it has anything to do with upcoming custody of his and MH's child? You can click on each one to read what's what.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=John&middle=&last=Huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internetTY very much Riverwalk..any chance are you from San Antonio??

[Texas48]

All about John Huckaby and wife Amanda in Kansas. He has "issues" there about $$$$$. Don't know if it has anything to do with upcoming custody of his and MH's child? You can click on each one to read what's what.

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?caseNumber=&first=John&middle=&last=Huckaby&CV=Y&CR=Y&DM=Y&PR=Y&TR=Y&mob=&yob=&location=internetwhen I went back..I saw....:thumbsup:

[Riverwalk!]

TY very much Riverwalk..any chance are you from San Antonio??

Yes. That's where I live.

[aproudmom]

The Huckaby's have said it was a planned trip, but who knows if thats true espically since MH was hospitalized right around that time frame...I heard MH father say he had been in contact with his wife Judy, so I guess that he is the one who told her...No link, so will state this as MO...

you are correct he said that I got to thinking it may have been because they were on Spring Break and it could have been planned if her daughter was in school anyone know? and she went in to the hospital the night they said it was Sandra's body which was what Monday and her mother had her daughter the day after sandra went missing which was Saturday

[Texas48]

doesn't look like anything serious, mostly medical, probably due to childbirth, no reflection on their character, IMOThats what I took away from it also..Seem to be like so many ppl now days....$$$$$$problems..

[aproudmom]

Yes. That's where I live.

I know people from there I better warn them....lol..:biggrin:

[Texas48]

MH father said it was a planned trip in Southern CA and she left the day after Sandra went missing..so that is what has came from her family..Interesting to say the least..I quess in due time we will know alot more.

[Texas48]

Yes he is..his SIL posted on here 2 times..uuuuummmm. Okey Dokey..Thanks mom..So this is also the man that LE took his vehicle in and searched his home..

[Texas48]

I do too.. and I also think if he started out with visiting her and getting to know her first might be better.. don't just snag her from people she knows and loves and put her with someone she hasn't even had a relationship with because he has the same DNA...

This child is going to go through alot when she realizes her Mom is gone from her life.. amazing now he wants custody... when he wasn't even worried about visitation or paying child support..:unsure:Not defending him or anything but do we *know* exactly what went down between him and MH and their issues....I'm sure all will come to the surface before long especially if the family fights for custody..which imo is a shame..

[Texas48]

The Huckaby's have said it was a planned trip, but who knows if thats true espically since MH was hospitalized right around that time frame...I heard MH father say he had been in contact with his wife Judy, so I guess that he is the one who told her...No link, so will state this as MO...No link needed for me and TY for the info..

[Texas48]

here is a pic of him the day after he got arrested he was on tv

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scquestionedChrisSinclair.jpg

oh an stay away from the blades:tonguewag:

You never have to worry about me and blades..lol..never. This is the man that MH was dating or had dated? oh....

[aproudmom]

uuuuummmm. Okey Dokey..Thanks mom..So this is also the man that LE took his vehicle in and searched his home..

yes it is and also a home in oakdale not sure if it was a relative or what..his home was searched I know at least 3 times

[dinojen]

Not defending him or anything but do we *know* exactly what went down between him and MH and their issues....I'm sure all will come to the surface before long especially if the family fights for custody..which imo is a shame..

Nope just what I have read here.. that he was only allowed supervised visitation and obviously didn't support his child.

I'm sure more will come out in the future.. just seems odd to me that for someone who didn't pay support nor have contact with his daughter all of a sudden wants custody... just me thinking.. don't have anything against the guy either.. but sure would want to know that this little girl would be going into a loving and stable environment... that's my concern.

[Riverwalk!]

Sandra went missing March 27th. Last seen at 4 pm and 8 pm her mom reported her missing.

Body recovered April 6th. That evening "supposedly" MH was taken to the hospital for "internal bleeding" and stayed 3 days. Mom and grandmother of Sandra were also hospitalized after hearing about Sandra's body being found.

April 10th these Twitters came through:

# Breaking but unconfirmed. The pastors grandaughter swallowed a bunch or razor blades. She's in the hospital5:47 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
# A lot of detectives left after searching the shed. Now officers are removing things from the church and loading them in the van. Re sandra5:43 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
# I was Just interviewed by Chanel 7 news.5:16 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
http://twitter.com/Imabeachgirl (you have to keep hitting 'more' to get to the correct page)

April 10th around 6 pm Melissa drove herself to LE. Arrested around 11 pm.

I'm really doubting the "reports" about razor blades, but that's JMO.

BBL

[Texas48]

Nope just what I have read here.. that he was only allowed supervised visitation and obviously didn't support his child.

I'm sure more will come out in the future.. just seems odd to me that for someone who didn't pay support nor have contact with his daughter all of a sudden wants custody... just me thinking.. don't have anything against the guy either.. but sure would want to know that this little girl would be going into a loving and stable environment... that's my concern.
I feel more than certain his life will be an open book before it is all over..

[Texas48]

That may be true but there is no hope of them getting her at this point. The courts would have to find something awful in the father's life to refuse him temporary custody and if MH is convicted, there is little doubt he would get her.Question..anyone..does MH still maintain custody of her daughter even tho she has been arrested and is custody? She has been arrested but "innocent untill proven guilty" so does she have the legal right to sign temp. custody over to her mother or does the fathers rights come into play here at this time?

[Texas48]

yes the one they interviewed in the beginning and they towed three of his vehicles, the blonde with the restraining order placed against him by his own mother, his sister in law posted and said he was hung over when they interviewed himOK..got it straight now..This is NOT the man that admitted to kissing Sandra on the lips several years ago..IMO Both look pretty:scared:

[aproudmom]

That may be true but there is no hope of them getting her at this point. The courts would have to find something awful in the father's life to refuse him temporary custody and if MH is convicted, there is little doubt he would get her.

oh I have no idea was just saying they will fight him for one they keep saying she had problems because of him and their divorce..did not mean he would not get custody just meant they will try to fight him IMO

[aproudmom]

Sandra went missing March 27th. Last seen at 4 pm and 8 pm her mom reported her missing.

Body recovered April 6th. That evening "supposedly" MH was taken to the hospital for "internal bleeding" and stayed 3 days. Mom and grandmother of Sandra were also hospitalized after hearing about Sandra's body being found.

April 10th these Twitters came through:

# Breaking but unconfirmed. The pastors grandaughter swallowed a bunch or razor blades. She's in the hospital5:47 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
# A lot of detectives left after searching the shed. Now officers are removing things from the church and loading them in the van. Re sandra5:43 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
# I was Just interviewed by Chanel 7 news.5:16 PM Apr 10th from TwitterFon
http://twitter.com/Imabeachgirl (you have to keep hitting 'more' to get to the correct page)

April 10th around 6 pm Melissa drove herself to LE. Arrested around 11 pm.

I'm really doubting the "reports" about razor blades, but that's JMO.

BBL

Me to but like you it is JMO

[aproudmom]

the karate instructor was actually a very respected business owner in the community, wonder how much of his business he has left now

Alot of them said they did not think he had done anything to her and trusted him..kinda shocked me cause this was very early on..and some were even his alibi saying he was doing a class that night..the kiss alone would have scared me enough to keep my child away from him...but that is JMO

[aproudmom]

I wonder why she would put abduction on her divorce papers I have yet to figure this one out. jmo

You think maybe it was cause she was worried he would take their daughter and not return her..I found that odd also then the short amount of time he had to see his child and it was supervised...usually they get holidays and summers if they live in diff states..

[aproudmom]

I wonder if the law was called the day he kiss'd her in the swimming pool?
I bet his bussiness has went way down since all of this has come out,I know if I had a child in there he would be out of there now all jmo.

I have no link but the family said yes they did call LE I think he even said they had been called and he told them he was only being nice to her..Like I said I have no link but I am sure if you go back and look at his media links it is on there...he has a lot of little girls in his class so I sure hope he does not think it is OK to kiss little girls on the lips for any reason..he himself said he did it never denied it one time..but jmo

[dinojen]

This link has the pdf file of the papers Sam Behar filed with the court.. just came up on cbs5.com.. haven't even read it entirely myself yet.

Click on court papers and the pdf file will come up..

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.987624.html

In the court filing, Behar said an independent autopsy is "extremely crucial to Ms. Huckaby's defense." In particular, the allegation that the girl suffered "genital trauma" which led to the special circumstances charges. He said the defense team should be allowed to examine the body to 'discern alternative explanations for the alleged 'genital trauma' so that Huckaby can defend herself.



In reading the filing.. Behar wasn't given the case until the 15th...

[Texas48]

Alot of them said they did not think he had done anything to her and trusted him..kinda shocked me cause this was very early on..and some were even his alibi saying he was doing a class that night..the kiss alone would have scared me enough to keep my child away from him...but that is JMOI don't think that you are the only one that would say or do that mom..Pretty much a sure bet that 100% would agree with you. I can't imagine what he was thinking when he did that to Sandra..and did not appear to be one bit embarrassed about telling it. WTH is wrong w/ppl now days?

[Riverwalk!]

I have no link but the family said yes they did call LE I think he even said they had been called and he told them he was only being nice to her..Like I said I have no link but I am sure if you go back and look at his media links it is on there...he has a lot of little girls in his class so I sure hope he does not think it is OK to kiss little girls on the lips for any reason..he himself said he did it never denied it one time..but jmo

Here's one link

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090402/A_NEWS/904020341

Frank Wohler, an Orchard Estates resident who teaches martial arts, said he was the one who kissed Sandra and that police on Monday searched his home and business.

Family members said they reported the kissing incident to police at the time. On Wednesday, Watney said police followed up on that report, but he said did not know what came of the investigation.

He said Police Chief Janet Thiessen has asked the department to review that investigation.

[Texas48]

I wonder if the law was called the day he kiss'd her in the swimming pool?
I bet his bussiness has went way down since all of this has come out,I know if I had a child in there he would be out of there now all jmo.Good question just_saying..Do you remember his name off hand? I wounder if a report was made or did Sandra's family see the incident? Curious..

[Texas48]

This link has the pdf file of the papers Sam Behar filed with the court.. just came up on cbs5.com.. haven't even read it entirely myself yet.

Click on court papers and the pdf file will come up..

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.987624.html

In the court filing, Behar said an independent autopsy is "extremely crucial to Ms. Huckaby's defense." In particular, the allegation that the girl suffered "genital trauma" which led to the special circumstances charges. He said the defense team should be allowed to examine the body to 'discern alternative explanations for the alleged 'genital trauma' so that Huckaby can defend herself.



In reading the filing.. Behar wasn't given the case until the 15th...
TY very much for the link and the info..

[Riverwalk!]

HLN and FWIW

Talking heads just opined that the Judge will refuse Behar's motion.

[dinojen]

Was googling around to see what I could find out about Behar after reading his filing I posted above.. Going to have to see what cases he has done before and how he works...

Here's what I did find out about him..

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=115435

[aproudmom]

I know didnt he only get like 30 mins and it had to be supervised? There is no telling why she put that on there but what you said may have been the reason why.

yeah and living that far away seemed odd to me..

[Texas48]

the kiss was two years ago, ther hasn't been any trouble out of him, it was VERY poor judgement on his part, IMO, I don't think he has anyhting to do with any of thisOh no..I was not even suggesting such a thing..I saw partial interviews of both men and was trying to get it straight in my head..Got a late start in this forum..was not sure I could handle a case like this so I peeked in for a while and then you know what happened after that..lol..has a way of pulling one right in..and it did..Zapped..

[Riverwalk!]

I think you have bad weather right now? Wonder how Texas 48 knew?:sneaky:

lol. Just some much needed rain. Won't bother all the Fiesta events or Spurs games!!!

[aproudmom]

Here's one link

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090402/A_NEWS/904020341

Frank Wohler, an Orchard Estates resident who teaches martial arts, said he was the one who kissed Sandra and that police on Monday searched his home and business.

Family members said they reported the kissing incident to police at the time. On Wednesday, Watney said police followed up on that report, but he said did not know what came of the investigation.

He said Police Chief Janet Thiessen has asked the department to review that investigation.

thanks I was back on the older threads and the links would not work for some reason...kept saying links were broken or something..

[Texas48]

I decided to do something constructive with blades and shave my legs instead. see:tongueside: it's still there.


I loved when NG asked the dr the other night, "Why didn't it work?"That is too funny Snazzy..I only saw"I decided to do something constructive with blades..............." and without reading the rest all I could think of is what mom said to us the other day..NO Experiments..lol..I'm glad you now have hair free legs and still have your tongue.lol..:laugh:

[aproudmom]

Just for those of you who wonder about CS family member who was on here..someone said he was creepy...and all of a sudden his SIL came on. we was not rude to her in anyway and even welcomed her insight..she wanted us to know why he was arrested that night..this was just within days of all these searches and cars being towed so we never meant any harm and hope she is ok and her family is doing well..

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?searchid=587180

[aproudmom]

I decided to do something constructive with blades and shave my legs instead. see:tongueside: it's still there.


I loved when NG asked the dr the other night, "Why didn't it work?"

:lol:you just made me lose my pop all over the place..darn you SNAZZY

[aproudmom]

Maybe she had sexuality issues( maybe preferred women ) with herself due to her religious upbringing. Tried the man route, had a child. Maybe didn't fix her sexuality issues so they broke up. She didn't want to share custody, so she lied to get sole custody. Just a guess, not a shrink, I try to play 1 online occasionally. I don't know if suppressing your sexuality thru religious conflict could cause her to do this. Personally tho I think she just, ick, got turned on by the thought and premeditated her rape and death.

I think they should let her plead guilty for LWOP, and I think her parents should TELL her to accept that, and not torment the family, friends, and so they can let Sandra rest in peace. Let see if these parents do the right thing. I KNOW I could and would. JMO

I would also like to see a plea for the families sake this trial will be so hard for them and if she got LWOP I think that would be far IMO DP is better they have many many appeals and it will be many years even if she got the DP..also harder to get a conviction when it is DP case..in CA is LWOP is it life like in FL if you get LWOP that means you never get out..no good time does not matter your there forever

[aproudmom]

I do too.. and I also think if he started out with visiting her and getting to know her first might be better.. don't just snag her from people she knows and loves and put her with someone she hasn't even had a relationship with because he has the same DNA...

This child is going to go through alot when she realizes her Mom is gone from her life.. amazing now he wants custody... when he wasn't even worried about visitation or paying child support..:unsure:

Oh surely they would not just up and move her would they since he has not really seen her..I see he is in Kansas wonder if she lived there also or how they met it could have been in his interview I have not had a chance to watch it yet..

[LILMANMAX]

What in the world is going on with the defense and a 2nd autopsy?
Are they MAD...:rolleyes:

I've been at a training class at work today so have not been able to keep up with this.
This is SICK...:cursing:

[Texas48]

Maybe she had sexuality issues( maybe preferred women ) with herself due to her religious upbringing. Tried the man route, had a child. Maybe didn't fix her sexuality issues so they broke up. She didn't want to share custody, so she lied to get sole custody. Just a guess, not a shrink, I try to play 1 online occasionally. I don't know if suppressing your sexuality thru religious conflict could cause her to do this. Personally tho I think she just, ick, got turned on by the thought and premeditated her rape and death.

I think they should let her plead guilty for LWOP, and I think her parents should TELL her to accept that, and not torment the family, friends, and so they can let Sandra rest in peace. Let see if these parents do the right thing. I KNOW I could and would. JMO
I won't even begin to wounder or speculate as to *why* or how MH was capable of this crime if indeed she is guilty which imo she is..quite honestly..even if I was a shrink I would not want to diddle into her mind..I am way more curious that alot of ppl..but not about the mind of MH. too:scared:

[Texas48]

I would also like to see a plea for the families sake this trial will be so hard for them and if she got LWOP I think that would be far IMO DP is better they have many many appeals and it will be many years even if she got the DP..also harder to get a conviction when it is DP case..in CA is LWOP is it life like in FL if you get LWOP that means you never get out..no good time does not matter your there foreverMe too mom..it would be better for ALL involved IF MH pleads guilty and gets life..I hope this attorney does NOT see this case as one that will *make a name for himself* no matter what..I hope IF MH admits she is guilty he will go with that and not drag this out..kinda like a case we have been following for awhile..kwim?

[aproudmom]

well finally watched the interview with her ex I see she even had a b/f that she wrote a note about saying he was going to kill her and her grandpa??well guess he will be coming out soon to talk I am sure..

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7356264&page=1

[aproudmom]

I don't think the Lawless family will forego a trial but I hope I'm wrong.

I think Madison's father was forcibly removed from his daughter's life and moved to another state and got on with his life. I don't think MH wanted him involved with their daughter. If he has a good record with his current wife and their two children then I see no reason he shouldn't have his first daughter and get her away from a place she will always be associated with a cold blooded killer.

Since he lives in another state, the custody probably wouldn't be gradual. I would think a judge would do what's best for Madison. no doubt her mother has always made him out to be a monsiter, from what has been printed. Nevertheless, he comes across as decent enough and said some pleasant things about MH, not wishing to condemn her in public.

He seemed to kinda stick up for her and seemed to be honest and if she has problems I could see lies being said..for one no one would ever keep me away from my child so my question to him would be have you been in your daughters life and did you try to request a new hearing because as we all know he will be ask those things by a judge before he is given custody...jmo

[Texas48]

I don't think the Lawless family will forego a trial but I hope I'm wrong.

I think Madison's father was forcibly removed from his daughter's life and moved to another state and got on with his life. I don't think MH wanted him involved with their daughter. If he has a good record with his current wife and their two children then I see no reason he shouldn't have his first daughter and get her away from a place she will always be associated with a cold blooded killer.

Since he lives in another state, the custody probably wouldn't be gradual. I would think a judge would do what's best for Madison. no doubt her mother has always made him out to be a monsiter, from what has been printed. Nevertheless, he comes across as decent enough and said some pleasant things about MH, not wishing to condemn her in public.Mike Galantos of HLN showed a clip of the dad on GMA..Just from his looks he appears OK..and I did not hear him say anthing bad about MH..just she was depressed..which IMO alot of us have that problem at one time or another..Heck....I get depressed when I have to change the cat litter some days...lol...I feel certain they will all work together for the better of Madison...well..maybe not *certain* but maybe..

[aproudmom]

the kiss was two years ago, ther hasn't been any trouble out of him, it was VERY poor judgement on his part, IMO, I don't think he has anyhting to do with any of this

I never said he did have anything to do with this..and poor judgement heck yes it was if it were my child he would have been drowned in the pool that day...but never said he did anything to her now..I still did not like looking at pics of him with his hands around a few little girls in his class since he thought kissing a girl at 6 was ok..nah to me he needs to be told what is the correct way to act around children even if he did not kill Sandra.If anyone on this board says it is ok to do that then they need to double step back cause no one would kiss my child in front of me and live to talk about it 2yrs later..all.jmo

[aproudmom]

Mike Galantos of HLN showed a clip of the dad on GMA..Just from his looks he appears OK..and I did not hear him say anthing bad about MH..just she was depressed..which IMO alot of us have that problem at one time or another..Heck....I get depressed when I have to change the cat litter some days...lol...I feel certain they will all work together for the better of Madison...well..maybe not *certain* but maybe..

yeah I am a little sick of hearing depression we have all been depressed I for one know first hand I have suffered from depression for 16 yrs and do not even have a speeding ticket..

[aproudmom]

IMO there is nothing wrong with this woman, she knew just what she was doing. Of course she is gonna try and play the insane part now . I pray it gets her NO WHERE.

if she was a man he would have been hung already..just seen a teacher in Tracy was in court the same day as her for doing something to kids missed what it was but 10 counts of something...sure no one will give him a break if he said he was depressed..jmo

[Texas48]

IMO there is nothing wrong with this woman, she knew just what she was doing. Of course she is gonna try and play the insane part now . I pray it gets her NO WHERE.I will agree with you all the way..I see no where she is *insane*..has mental problems..maybe. IMO she knew exactly what she was doing..Ppl on HLN were talking about her and one of the experts said she knew right from wrong when she put Sandras body in the suitcase..I agree..

[aproudmom]

What in the world is going on with the defense and a 2nd autopsy?
Are they MAD...:rolleyes:

I've been at a training class at work today so have not been able to keep up with this.
This is SICK...:cursing:

well he did not get the case till the 15th so guess that is why it has not been ask for..in a lot of cases they ask for their own..very bad timing IMO but I don't want this to be appealed if she is convicted..they want to try to say she was not raped or molested..

[Texas48]

yeah I am a little sick of hearing depression we have all been depressed I for one know first hand I have suffered from depression for 16 yrs and do not even have a speeding ticket..lol mom..I just laugh mine away..so what if I'm depressed..could be worse..they have reaally good meds..so I;m good to go.

[omsk99]

This is what I find interesting (bolding is mine):

"In a report filed yesterday from the San Joaquin County Superior Court, defense attorney Sam Behar called for a second autopsy so Huckaby can defend herself against allegations of rape. "

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?hash=comments_2339037&page_label=home&id=2339037&article-Defense%20wants%20Sandra%20Cantu%20exhumed%20for%2 0second%20autopsy%20=&widget=push&open=&#comments_2339037

Does this mean she is going to plead guilty to the murder, since they want to argue she did not commit the rape (no mention of murder)? To me, it sounds like she (MH) either confessed to the murder or the evidence is so strong that they are not even going to try to prove she didn't do it.

[StickyBeak]

Good Lord, depression, what was the last med. report 1 in 3. Heck I took zoloft, my Doc. said I had seasonal defective disorder, hated those cold, damp winters. I think I suffered because boat had to come out of the water and I ain't into skiiing. LOL. Wonder if that would come out in court if I followed through with all the times I said I could just kill you. Not funny I know, sorry. I think MH knew exactly what she was doing, I am not sure on premeditation although leads me to think there was some animosity, some trigger. I hope judge denies exhumation, one TH said on HLN there should be videos and pictures taken during autopsy to document. I can see the point of defense motion, just my heart is not agreeing with my head. JMO

[aproudmom]

why would they be told about her interrogation or arrest just cause they were defending her in another case? that has nothing to do with this case...
http://llnw.static.cbslocal.com/station/kovr/docs/2009/4/cantu%20body%20exhumation%20request.pdf
page 14 of 15

[sunstar]

What in the world is going on with the defense and a 2nd autopsy?
Are they MAD...:rolleyes:

I've been at a training class at work today so have not been able to keep up with this.
This is SICK...:cursing:

Hi! I haven't caught up on the latest, but I think I heard that today a judge rejected the defense's request and they can either appeal or bring it up at the arraignment on the 24th with another judge. Anybody else know what happened? :shrug:

[omsk99]

Hi! I haven't caught up on the latest, but I think I heard that today a judge rejected the defense's request and they can either appeal or bring it up at the arraignment on the 24th with another judge. Anybody else know what happened? :shrug:

That's what I read as well. I believe that was because it has to be decided by the other judge, so they are going to bring it up on the 24th, IIRC.

[aproudmom]

Johnny Huckaby, who said he had not talked to his former wife for more than three years, is seeking custody of their daughter. He has remarried and has two other children.

He said that when they separated, Melissa Huckaby moved in with her parents in Southern California, so he rarely saw his daughter.

In 2002, Melissa Huckaby took out a restraining order against a former boyfriend. In a handwritten note obtained by ABC News, Huckaby claimed he stalked her, threatened to kill her and harm her grandfather.

A year later, she was married to Johnny Huckaby. In their divorce papers, she accused him of child abduction and domestic violence, charges he vehemently denied


Sounds like she has made a lot of complaints against her ex'sso I take it he has not seen his daughter for 3 yrs or longer so she was 2 the last he saw her..sorry but that is sad..

[lunchlady]

Mr. Huckaby sure showed up all of a sudden to take his daughter away. Where has he been the last 3 years when Melissa was trying to get some child support? If I was a judge I'd be pretty skeptical of him. He seems like an opportunist, for what exactly I'm not sure.

[aproudmom]

Be sure and keep Sandra's family in your prayers this is just one more punch to the gut for them. now they have to think of their baby being taken back for a 2nd autopsy..they are forever in my thoughts and prayers..god bless them:rose:

talk to you all later on..have a wonderful evening

[MoonFlwr]

http://abcnews.go.com/gma

MH's ex husband speaks

Sorry my response is so delayed...but thanks for posting the link, koawally! :cool:

[sunstar]

That's what I read as well. I believe that was because it has to be decided by the other judge, so they are going to bring it up on the 24th, IIRC.

thanks so much! :smile: I'm glad it wasn't granted, at least not yet, without more information such as has the defense lawyer even looked at the autopsy report/photos yet?

[sunstar]

Be sure and keep Sandra's family in your prayers this is just one more punch to the gut for them. now they have to think of their baby being taken back for a 2nd autopsy..they are forever in my thoughts and prayers..god bless them:rose:

talk to you all later on..have a wonderful evening

They are in my prayers and I'm also praying the judge denies this next week. :sad:

[Texas48]

well he did not get the case till the 15th so guess that is why it has not been ask for..in a lot of cases they ask for their own..very bad timing IMO but I don't want this to be appealed if she is convicted..they want to try to say she was not raped or molested..
several ppl on HLN ..the experts..said they believe the courts will say NO to the defense..I hope they are right.

[MoonFlwr]

well he did not get the case till the 15th so guess that is why it has not been ask for..in a lot of cases they ask for their own..very bad timing IMO but I don't want this to be appealed if she is convicted..they want to try to say she was not raped or molested..

Hi mom :)

Replying on your post, but just posting my thoughts in general about the request for 2nd autopsy.
I agree....very upsetting plus bad timing....but the 'special circumstances' that have been tacked on to Melissa's charges deserve to be thoroughly investigated for justice to be fair.

[Texas48]

Good Lord, depression, what was the last med. report 1 in 3. Heck I took zoloft, my Doc. said I had seasonal defective disorder, hated those cold, damp winters. I think I suffered because boat had to come out of the water and I ain't into skiiing. LOL. Wonder if that would come out in court if I followed through with all the times I said I could just kill you. Not funny I know, sorry. I think MH knew exactly what she was doing, I am not sure on premeditation although leads me to think there was some animosity, some trigger. I hope judge denies exhumation, one TH said on HLN there should be videos and pictures taken during autopsy to document. I can see the point of defense motion, just my heart is not agreeing with my head. JMOI have that problem all the time Bear..My heart says one thing..my brain says something else and then my fingers do as they damn well want to ..type that is..see..thats my point..I should have put the word TYPE somewhere back there cause then it did not sound right w/o the word type...I'm gonna let this post stay as it is so you can see I was right..

[Texas48]

OK gang..its been fun spending time with ya. Time to turn on the tivo and watch all my shows. Have a good night and all pray for Sandra's family..

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace is talking with a local reporter from the Tracy Press about the defense wanting to exhume Sandra's body. She's the same reporter who had interviewed MH.


Sgt. Sheneman is also on, saying regardless of what MH said in the media she was going to be arrested anyway. :patriot:

[baywench]

They are in my prayers and I'm also praying the judge denies this next week. :sad:


The obscenity of a second autoposy just blows my mind. When I saw her little casket I thought at least she is at peace now. How many more times does this family have to be violated? I pray this request is denied. Huckaby is a vile person...period. imo

[LILMANMAX]

well he did not get the case till the 15th so guess that is why it has not been ask for..in a lot of cases they ask for their own..very bad timing IMO but I don't want this to be appealed if she is convicted..they want to try to say she was not raped or molested..

I don't want any reason for an appeal either. The timing is horrible to say the least. I did not realize the attorney did not get the case until the 15th.
Makes me sick.
Thanx Proudmom for bringing that to my attention about the date.

[dinojen]

Hi! I haven't caught up on the latest, but I think I heard that today a judge rejected the defense's request and they can either appeal or bring it up at the arraignment on the 24th with another judge. Anybody else know what happened? :shrug:


The judge didn't grant it because he is not the judge on the case.. the judge on the case Van Oss or something like that is on vacation this week and he deferred it to him to make a decision..

And yes your right, her current atty. Mr. Behar can either take it to the appeals court or wait till the 24th for a answer from Judge that has been assigned to the case... but don't forget Behar is also going to ask for this judge to be recused due to some conflict between him and the DA..

[dinojen]

I agree with your post I wish she would do the right thing to.

Everyone is entitled to a trial.. do we know she confessed.. NO.. not defending MH.. but she has rights also no matter how disgusting some of you may think that is... she deserves to have a fair trial and the evidence be proven..that she committed what the DA is accusing her of. Kind of hard when you only have one person's report to go by and the PD didn't have any access to any information... he only got the case on the 15th.. kind of hard to ask for a second autopsy when the child had already been sealed in a coffin.

I would rather them do the second autopsy than come to trial and find her rights were violated...

JMHO

[TaraCrazyHair]

Is is possible that Melissa is covering for somebody else?

Maybe that is why her attorney is asking for a second autopsy?

[TaraCrazyHair]

imo she didnt do this alone. But why would she take the rap for someone else? all jmo

Fear?

At least initially at least

I am still having a hard time wrapping my head around this one ..

Her ex mentioned she had issues with self persona .. and take that mean one of two things ...

Self identity ... as in a sexual nature

Or as in no identity as to who she really is .. usually due to trauma in younger years

If he meant the first -- then maybe she "practiced" on a young girl (which is still very odd to do in the scope of things)

The second could very well mean she is covering for something else

[dinojen]

Yes everyone is entilted to a fair trial. But if she has confessed to doing this and i am not saying she has because I don't know then it would just be easier on Sandra family if she took a deal. Might keep her from getting the DP also. As for her rights being violated there is a dead child who's rights were really violated by someone. imo MH didnt do this alone I guess only time will tell. this is all jmo.


I totally understand your opinion.. but I would rather they do the second autopsy and get the information they want than go to trial and have it be a major conflict that the defense was denied access to anything.

I'm not sure how I feel if she is covering for someone... all I know there is something really hinky about this whole thing.. the time frame is so short if they are reporting that Sandra was dead by the time she was reported missing..

I don't think she should just cop a plea to make it easier on everyone.. I know that sounds cold..but we don't know if she indeed did confess...and by our judicial system MH is entitled to a fair trial and to defend all evidence against her...

NOT DEFENDING HER... but I think they screwed up on the autopsy.. she had not representation when it was done... JMHO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I totally understand your opinion.. but I would rather they do the second autopsy and get the information they want than go to trial and have it be a major conflict that the defense was denied access to anything.

I'm not sure how I feel if she is covering for someone... all I know there is something really hinky about this whole thing.. the time frame is so short if they are reporting that Sandra was dead by the time she was reported missing..

I don't think she should just cop a plea to make it easier on everyone.. I know that sounds cold..but we don't know if she indeed did confess...and by our judicial system MH is entitled to a fair trial and to defend all evidence against her...

NOT DEFENDING HER... but I think they screwed up on the autopsy.. she had not representation when it was done... JMHO


The fact LE never stated she confessed is very telling IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I have followed alot of case's and this one really has me puzzled. To begin with I don't want to think a woman would ever do this to a child.
And the time frame really has me wondering if she could do all of that by herself in that short of time. If you dont mind me asking why do you think they screwed up on the autopsy? I guess it's just the thought of them haveing to get her out and move her agin that really bothers me about the 2nd autopsy. Thanks and this is all jmo

Legally, Melissa has the right to a second autopsy with her side there I do believe

Personally, i would demand it as well (if innocent) because there is no confession and trauma by a foreign object without the presence of sperm could still be a penis that was rubber coated

Especially in a young girl like that

Unless the medical analysis was able to ascertain exactly what penetrated her (which by the request I gather they couldnt) then by all means redo it?

Especially in a potential DP case

[dinojen]

Legally, Melissa has the right to a second autopsy with her side there I do believe

Personally, i would demand it as well (if innocent) because there is no confession and trauma by a foreign object without the presence of sperm could still be a penis that was rubber coated

Especially in a young girl like that

Unless the medical analysis was able to ascertain exactly what penetrated her (which by the request I gather they couldnt) then by all means redo it?

Especially in a potential DP case

You explained it much better than I could.. thank you:wink:

[TaraCrazyHair]

If I was innocent i would be fighting for everything to be done right.
I am not aganist the autopsy at all because mistakes can be made.
Its just the thought of moveing this poor child.
I agree 100 percent with you and the other poster she has a right to a fair trial and all that goes along with it. I wish that she would have had a lawyer present when LE was questioning her but I dont think she had a clue she was going to be arrested. I am not defending her because I think she had a hand in this but not by herself.


I agree ... she has involvement but I don't think alone either

In which case, there is a sicko running around footloose and fancyfree and that is not right

Yet, unless she was truly scared for somebody .. why not give the name? (or names)

Her daughter is safe, right?

So hard to say what is going on .. she could really be a sicko and her experimentation went too far .. she panicked and we see the end result

But asking for the second autopsy tells me something .. so i will wait to pass 100% judgment at this point

[TxLady2]

A medical examiner does not work for either side, so the initial autopsy should have told them everything they need to know. There is no need to do a 2nd one, just to try to prove or disprove anything. Constitutional rights be damned... This precious little girl was raped and murdered by a sicko and stuffed into a suitcase, then tossed in an irrigation ditch like garbage. Then her little body was cut and poked and prodded even more, and that should be the limit of it!!! Her family should not have to be put through this indignation again so that some pervert can have a fair trial... anybody that does this to a little child doesn't deserve anything extra, IMO.
Think about if this were your child!!

[Ice Cycle]

If I was innocent i would be fighting for everything to be done right.
I am not aganist the autopsy at all because mistakes can be made.
Its just the thought of moveing this poor child.
I agree 100 percent with you and the other poster she has a right to a fair trial and all that goes along with it. I wish that she would have had a lawyer present when LE was questioning her but I dont think she had a clue she was going to be arrested. I am not defending her because I think she had a hand in this but not by herself.

Hi,
I also agree with this as though I'm sure it will be hard on the family, Sandra can no longer feel any pain. I would think the family would want to be sure on what occurred especially since this is such a unusual and horrific charge. I am not certain of her guilt but agree that everyone should get their day in court and that the right person or persons should be the ones that pay for what they have done.

[AmndaRcknwth]

A medical examiner does not work for either side, so the initial autopsy should have told them everything they need to know. There is no need to do a 2nd one, just to try to prove or disprove anything. Constitutional rights be damned... This precious little girl was raped and murdered by a sicko and stuffed into a suitcase, then tossed in an irrigation ditch like garbage. Then her little body was cut and poked and prodded even more, and that should be the limit of it!!! Her family should not have to be put through this indignation again so that some pervert can have a fair trial... anybody that does this to a little child doesn't deserve anything extra, IMO.
Think about if this were your child!!


I AGREE.
If Melissa wants an autopsy done, do it to her.

[BitterSweet]

Does anyone want to provide a definition of "self persona", as pertaining to this case?

I do not find this statement relevent to this case, rather to their marriage.




BitterSweet

[Charms]

Is is possible that Melissa is covering for somebody else?

Maybe that is why her attorney is asking for a second autopsy?


Yep. That's what people were discussing today at the Starbucks.

[tv4me]

I'm really late into reading all these posts tonight, but is it possible there there is film or photos of her molesting Sandra? The police seem to sure that she is the killer and no one else is involved. Could she have set up a camera in the church's shed and filmed herself doing this? Is this the proof that the police have?

[MoonFlwr]

I'm really late into reading all these posts tonight, but is it possible there there is film or photos of her molesting Sandra? The police seem to sure that she is the killer and no one else is involved. Could she have set up a camera in the church's shed and filmed herself doing this? Is this the proof that the police have?

It's always a possibility, tv4me! The police are SO adamant she acted alone. That would be one explanation for it!

[Keegan]

There are many mentally ill women running around.

Here is another that raped a fourteen year old girl when she was twenty eight. Of course, due to her being a woman and all, the courts allowed her to plea bargain down to sexual battery keeping her safely out of jail. We wouldn't want these monsters to serve time.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/rap-sheet-revealed-dominos-worker-has-been-cooking-trouble-years

[aproudmom]

I don't want any reason for an appeal either. The timing is horrible to say the least. I did not realize the attorney did not get the case until the 15th.
Makes me sick.
Thanx Proudmom for bringing that to my attention about the date.

I do want to point out they had her case since the day she was arrested but this PD was just assigned to her case from what I read in his request so I for one feel the PD office could have requested it well before she was laid to rest..they know this person she was a client in her other case of petty theft..bad timing IMO and it could have been requested before the 16th since they even state their office was not notified of her arrest or interrogation..they all work in one office so the day she was charged with the other charges they could have requested it that day I am sure the women was her PD for her other charges and she had to had to hand it over for that reason actually I know she was cause they reported she was her PD in a prior case..welcome to the wonderful world of the legal system this happens all the time..This is very common in this type of case they want their expert to say there is no way to know if or when she was raped or molested with a object..this is the whole reason for this request...all jmo

I also see Dan H is talking about the case mark my words he will be on this case before it is all over

Also did I read they said they needed to have a week to do a 2nd autopsy??I know this is common but I just listened to many interviews and they feel it is just horrible this is being ask of the family when they had a chance to request it before she was laid to rest...for one if they are going to allow it just do it so this angel can be laid to rest forever FGS she laid in luggage in the bottom of cow manure sorry I am sickened for the family but I do not want to see a trial be overturned on appeal..let them do it and God bless this family and pray they get JUSTICE..

If I am incorrect anyone can let me know but from reading their request this is what I got from it.

[aproudmom]

There are many mentally ill women running around.

Here is another that raped a fourteen year old girl when she was twenty eight. Of course, due to her being a woman and all, the courts allowed her to plea bargain down to sexual battery keeping her safely out of jail. We wouldn't want these monsters to serve time.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/rap-sheet-revealed-dominos-worker-has-been-cooking-trouble-years

yep happening everyday..just saw a case of one student killing another one over a 40 some year old teacher..they must just be to pretty to go to jail..:cursing:

I hope this case will open our Judaical systems eyes in looking at men and women different you do the crime do the time..man or women..jmo

[aproudmom]

It's always a possibility, tv4me! The police are SO adamant she acted alone. That would be one explanation for it!

I have only read one report that they did not say they knew for a fact she was the only one involved..who knows at first I thought she had told them some of what happened and that was why..but with this case nothing will surprise me Moon...

[aproudmom]

BW hi hi hi! Oh wow. I went most of the day without any news. I couldn't believe it, I just watched the NG show and was shocked to hear that they want her body exhumed? Is this BADEN trying to get a 2nd autopsy? Can you all save me from reading and let me know is this his doing?

No I read the name of their pathologist or whatever they call them..it was not Badens name it is in the links area I think if not there is a copy of the req. and it names the person they want to do the 2nd autopsy..

[aproudmom]

Here we go poor her she was in abusive relationships...well I was to and never killed anyone..so who shall be believe??don't forget just a few weeks before Sandra went missing she was doing very very well per her mental state in court docs..I am not so sure this person did not love attention..do we know if she was dating since these 2??I know we heard CS but not sure if that was confirmed...well I am sure JP her other ex will be out talking soon..

In 2002, Huckaby took out a restraining order against a former boyfriend, Josh Palmer.

Then according to handwritten notes ABC News obtained, Huckaby alleged Palmer stalked her and threatened to kill her and harm her grandfather.

In an interview on ABC's Good Morning America, Chris Cuomo spoke to Huckaby's ex-husband, Johnny Huckaby, who lives in Arkansas.

Melissa Huckaby was married to Johnny Huckaby in 2003 and they separated a year later. In divorce papers, she accused him of child abduction and domestic violence - charges he adamantly denied

[aproudmom]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-huckaby13-2009apr13,0,6408687.story

Joni Hughes, Melissa Huckaby’s aunt, hugs her son Cooper at Clover Road Baptist Church. Huckaby struggled with depression after her divorce, and court records show she was convicted of felony theft in L.A. County in 2006.

Glad she can hug her son...to bad Sandra's family will never be able to..I can not imagine them going into that church not knowing if she was killed there..sorry sick to me don't care what they say go worship somewhere else..

[dinojen]

BW hi hi hi! Oh wow. I went most of the day without any news. I couldn't believe it, I just watched the NG show and was shocked to hear that they want her body exhumed? Is this BADEN trying to get a 2nd autopsy? Can you all save me from reading and let me know is this his doing?

As far as I know Baden hasn't even commented on this case...and the pathologist that Behar named was Terri Haddix... and someone else asked the amount of time spent on the autopsy, the request states a week.. but I think that is from the time of exhumation, taken to the Fry Funeral Home, autopsy performed, then re-interred.

Link to filing is in the report from cbs5.

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.987624.html

[aproudmom]

The picture of Huckaby that emerged from her family was that of a "sweet" woman, raised in the Baptist Church, who did not drink or take drugs, and had no history of mental illness.No mental illness OK he seems to contradict himself..

Court records show that when Huckaby filed for divorce from her husband, John Huckaby, in Orange County in January 2005, the couple had no children. The identity of Madison's father was not immediately clear.??ok do we know if he was later determined to be the bio dad??they split before she had Madison didnt they maybe that is why it says at the time there was no children:confused:

[dinojen]

I have followed alot of case's and this one really has me puzzled. To begin with I don't want to think a woman would ever do this to a child.
And the time frame really has me wondering if she could do all of that by herself in that short of time. If you dont mind me asking why do you think they screwed up on the autopsy? I guess it's just the thought of them haveing to get her out and move her agin that really bothers me about the 2nd autopsy. Thanks and this is all jmo

The time frame bothers me also, if she died so quickly as they are saying..I also wondered how she could accomplish all they say she did in that short period of time.

Let me rephrase my statement about "screwing up" the autopsy. I don't believe they screwed it up.. I just think there should of been two seperate opinions... I googled homicide autopsies yesterday and it stated that especially in child homicides it's best to have a second pathologist there documenting also...

As sad as it is or would be.. I definately think the defense should be allowed an autopsy being the DA didn't share any info with the PD's office prior to Sandra being laid to rest...

JMHO

[dinojen]

Or maybe she didn't want help... Just read this this morning.

A woman accused of kidnapping, raping and killing an 8-year-old Tracy girl told three of her friends separately that she was once raped herself.

At the time of the rape, Melissa Chantel Huckaby was 18, just out of high school and still living with her parents in Brea, a city in Los Angeles County, the friends said.

The three people who knew Huckaby at different times in her life told the same story. None knew each other. One was a high school friend, another was from a vocational school, and a third was from where she used to work — all from Southern California.

The three asked that their names be withheld, because Huckaby told them of the rape in confidence. They also said they’re afraid of being caught in the media spotlight.

They all said the rape occurred at a time when Huckaby’s life began to spiral downward.

Her first serious boyfriend had moved away, which broke her heart.

Her best friend had moved away to college.

Huckaby had trouble getting along with her family, said the friends.

Private letters shared by one source indicate Huckaby was suicidal, and had been since the sixth grade.

According to a passage one of her friends read over the phone, the letter dated May 20, 1999, read: “I just wasn’t meant to live, I guess. No one wants me or even cares if I live or not, and I’m just in the way, anyways.”

Earlier in 1999, before Huckaby graduated from Brea-Olinda High School, her grades dropped, she got kicked off the dance team, and she became more withdrawn, one friend said.

Soon after graduating from high school 10 years ago, a cop asked her out on a date. Afterward, the police officer handcuffed her, shoved her in the back seat of his car and raped her — a story that all three friends said Huckaby told them.

Huckaby never reported the incident to authorities, the friends said. One of her best friends was unsure if Huckaby’s family even knew.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Huckaby%20told%20friends%20she%20was%20raped%20=&page_label=home&id=2341927-Huckaby+told+friends+she+was+raped&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


I know this is all MH's word, although some of it can be verified by the three that came forward through the letters... I certainly don't blame these three for wanting to remain anonymous.

[MoonFlwr]

Or maybe she didn't want help... Just read this this morning.

A woman accused of kidnapping, raping and killing an 8-year-old Tracy girl told three of her friends separately that she was once raped herself.

At the time of the rape, Melissa Chantel Huckaby was 18, just out of high school and still living with her parents in Brea, a city in Los Angeles County, the friends said.

The three people who knew Huckaby at different times in her life told the same story. None knew each other. One was a high school friend, another was from a vocational school, and a third was from where she used to work — all from Southern California.

The three asked that their names be withheld, because Huckaby told them of the rape in confidence. They also said they’re afraid of being caught in the media spotlight.

They all said the rape occurred at a time when Huckaby’s life began to spiral downward.

Her first serious boyfriend had moved away, which broke her heart.

Her best friend had moved away to college.

Huckaby had trouble getting along with her family, said the friends.

Private letters shared by one source indicate Huckaby was suicidal, and had been since the sixth grade.

According to a passage one of her friends read over the phone, the letter dated May 20, 1999, read: “I just wasn’t meant to live, I guess. No one wants me or even cares if I live or not, and I’m just in the way, anyways.”

Earlier in 1999, before Huckaby graduated from Brea-Olinda High School, her grades dropped, she got kicked off the dance team, and she became more withdrawn, one friend said.

Soon after graduating from high school 10 years ago, a cop asked her out on a date. Afterward, the police officer handcuffed her, shoved her in the back seat of his car and raped her — a story that all three friends said Huckaby told them.

Huckaby never reported the incident to authorities, the friends said. One of her best friends was unsure if Huckaby’s family even knew.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Huckaby%20told%20friends%20she%20was%20raped%20=&page_label=home&id=2341927-Huckaby+told+friends+she+was+raped&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


I know this is all MH's word, although some of it can be verified by the three that came forward through the letters... I certainly don't blame these three for wanting to remain anonymous.

Well, if Melissa was raped...and didn't report it...that probably means she didn't receive counseling for it? She may have/have had PTSD from it that would need working through.

[aproudmom]

As far as I know Baden hasn't even commented on this case...and the pathologist that Behar named was Terri Haddix... and someone else asked the amount of time spent on the autopsy, the request states a week.. but I think that is from the time of exhumation, taken to the Fry Funeral Home, autopsy performed, then re-interred.

Link to filing is in the report from cbs5.

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.987624.html

he may have commented on it on NG did not see it but he is on her show a lot but I knew he was not the one named on the docs.. So the week is not just for them to get to it cause from what I read they wanted it taken back to the ME office and kept there until the 2nd autopsy was done then it would be returned to fry or the family..I took it that they wanted her to be put in a cooler..ugh don't even like saying that but anyway to keep her body from deteriorating any more. from reading it looks like no decision will be made until the 24th is that correct??

[dinojen]

Well, if Melissa was raped...and didn't report it...that probably means she didn't receive counseling for it? She may have/have had PTSD from it that would need working through.

Sounds like she had issues long before the rape if she was cutting her wrists.. wonder how she hid this from her family.. I know it's possible.. alot of parents are totally oblivious to their children's feelings sometimes.. and are shocked when something happens.. they all think they are just normal kids...

I'm sure more and more will be coming out in the future...

[dinojen]

he may have commented on it on NG did not see it but he is on her show a lot but I knew he was not the one named on the docs.. So the week is not just for them to get to it cause from what I read they wanted it taken back to the ME office and kept there until the 2nd autopsy was done then it would be returned to fry or the family..I took it that they wanted her to be put in a cooler..ugh don't even like saying that but anyway to keep her body from deteriorating any more. from reading it looks like no decision will be made until the 24th is that correct??

Right.. at least that's what I got from the filing.. it includes the time to remove her, transport her, autopsy, transport and inter again in her resting place... so the time frame makes sense... to me at least.

Decision should be made on Friday unless Behar goes to a different court.. haven't found anything that says he is going to. He also stated he is going to ask the seated Judge on this case to recuse himself due to some conflict of interest with the DA... That I have no clue what it's all about..:confused:

[aproudmom]

Well, if Melissa was raped...and didn't report it...that probably means she didn't receive counseling for it? She may have/have had PTSD from it that would need working through.

we have heard a lot of experts say she was more than likely raped herself..I would hope these friends would let LE and her PD know these things if they are true...

[aproudmom]

Right.. at least that's what I got from the filing.. it includes the time to remove her, transport her, autopsy, transport and inter again in her resting place... so the time frame makes sense... to me at least.

Decision should be made on Friday unless Behar goes to a different court.. haven't found anything that says he is going to. He also stated he is going to ask the seated Judge on this case to recuse himself due to some conflict of interest with the DA... That I have no clue what it's all about..:confused:

K thanks thought so..I think they need to just let it be done so there is no reason for a appeal if there is a conviction..jmo

[dinojen]

K thanks thought so..I think they need to just let it be done so there is no reason for a appeal if there is a conviction..jmo


That's what I'm thinking too Mom.. we have seen to many times a case goes to trial and they find out something wasn't done correctly or within the accused rights.. might as well make sure everything is done by the book. Just bothers me if the DA wants to charge her with the "special circumstance" that they are going with one pathologist's report.:confused:

[5swab5]

K thanks thought so..I think they need to just let it be done so there is no reason for a appeal if there is a conviction..jmo

I respectfully disagree. This second autopsy by the Defense is a relatively new ploy. We saw it in the Anthony case, but Caylee was returned to her "family" and it was their choice.

Are we now going to put every crime victim's family through the ordeal of exhuming their loved ones, just because of a ploy by the defense? What they are asking for, is unconscionable IMO.

[aproudmom]

Sorry if been posted but I like to google and like to read everything some I agree on and some I dont..
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-16/huckabys-crazy-defense/

Do Women Rape?
by Marcia
former prosecutor says the so-called Sunday School murder case is unlike anything California's legal community has ever seen—and the defendant's likely defense won't work.

[aproudmom]

I respectfully disagree. This second autopsy by the Defense is a relatively new ploy. We saw it in the Anthony case, but Caylee was returned to her "family" and it was their choice.

Are we now going to put every crime victim's family through the ordeal of exhuming their loved ones, just because of a ploy by the defense? What they are asking for, is unconscionable IMO.

Do not get me wrong I am so angry about this but if they are going to use it for their def later on..then I want to see this monster put away and have no reason for any appeals..IMO it is a sick but not uncommon in these cases..

[MoonFlwr]

Could this also be why she seems to be protecting the grandfather? all jmo

Hi just-sayin :)

I am not too sure what you mean. The alleged rape was by a policeman.

[5swab5]

Do not get me wrong I am so angry about this but if they are going to use it for their def later on..then I want to see this monster put away and have no reason for any appeals..IMO it is a sick but not uncommon in these cases..

They should get to use the State's Medical Examiner's report and hire their own :cough: experts to refute the findings like everyone else. I hope the Judge lets Sandra lie in peace. The lengths to which Defense Attorneys are willing to go, has gotten out of hand. Anything to obstruct justice.

How are states going to absorb the cost of jerking every victim out of the ground? Will some families be so distraught, that they refuse to testify at trial? Will this possibility force families to always cremate? What then? No trial, because they can't do their second autopsy? Dangerous precedent and a very slippery slope, IMO.

[Texas48]

Sounds like she had issues long before the rape if she was cutting her wrists.. wonder how she hid this from her family.. I know it's possible.. alot of parents are totally oblivious to their children's feelings sometimes.. and are shocked when something happens.. they all think they are just normal kids...

I'm sure more and more will be coming out in the future...Good morning ALL..Well..I watched all *the shows* last night..Have not heard Baden's name mentioned as of last night and we all know..that doesn't mean anything. I only hope this case does not turn into the circus that the OTHER case has become. From everything I heard last night..the experts are saying they don't believe the judge/court will go with another autopsy. Several said they believe this request just just for show as the attorney making the request knew it would take at least a week for the request to be presented..so their request to get this done *quickly* as to prevent further decay of Sandra's body is bocus. One attorney said the body will not decay that much in only a week..Only on 1st cup of coffee so excuse all typos..

[aproudmom]

That's what I'm thinking too Mom.. we have seen to many times a case goes to trial and they find out something wasn't done correctly or within the accused rights.. might as well make sure everything is done by the book. Just bothers me if the DA wants to charge her with the "special circumstance" that they are going with one pathologist's report.:confused:

I know dino and I am sure you don't want to see this either but I am looking down the road when this goes to trial..right now it is so raw for everyone...and just cause I say let them have it I am thinking of a trial and a conviction and of course I want everything to be done and for it to be fair in this case with the allegations it is very common they want to have their expert say they have no proof MH raped her with a object..I know were they are going with this we are not stupid and they have to file these motions for their client..It is our system..does not mean I am happy about this at all so I hope no one takes it that I am...IMO look down the road we want a trial and a conviction for this child..to many times we see appeals over things like this..plus they may be looking at a DP case so for 1 time I will put my anger away and go with what I feel needs to be done..so this family can get justice..

[Texas48]

Sounds like she had issues long before the rape if she was cutting her wrists.. wonder how she hid this from her family.. I know it's possible.. alot of parents are totally oblivious to their children's feelings sometimes.. and are shocked when something happens.. they all think they are just normal kids...

I'm sure more and more will be coming out in the future...
Morning mom..good to see everyone here this am. At this point I really don't care if MH was abused or not..I know that sound very cold hearted but it is what it is right now...The damage has been done and can't be undone. It too late for a beautiful little girl that we last saw skipping along loving life. The ONLY one I would be worried about NOW is MH's daughter..Madison. No one knows if this baby was abused or not by her mother or..was allowed to be abused by *someone* else. This case may break OPEN something very scary for us all. IF..MH did not do this by herself as some thinks is possible then LE may have their hands full. There was a newscast last night about a Tracy teacher? I did not catch all but it did not sound good. Oh My..what a case. and Please..don't hit me too hard for sounding cold.

[Texas48]

I respectfully disagree. This second autopsy by the Defense is a relatively new ploy. We saw it in the Anthony case, but Caylee was returned to her "family" and it was their choice.

Are we now going to put every crime victim's family through the ordeal of exhuming their loved ones, just because of a ploy by the defense? What they are asking for, is unconscionable IMO.This is exactly what I was trying to say and you did a much better job than I did..Its just so wrong..even if they do a 2nd and go to trial and MH is found guilty and given the DP..you know exactly how many appeals and how long this case is going to be drawn out. Years and Years. So let the defense cry and moan to a jury..Just let Sandra's little body alone. Enough is enough IMO of course.

[Texas48]

Sorry if been posted but I like to google and like to read everything some I agree on and some I dont..
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-04-16/huckabys-crazy-defense/

Do Women Rape?
by Marcia
former prosecutor says the so-called Sunday School murder case is unlike anything California's legal community has ever seen—and the defendant's likely defense won't work.Thjanks so much mom for the reading material..I also enjoy reading everything I can..I have to wounder How many women/mothers are abusers and we never know or hear about it..scary..:scared:

[aproudmom]

I absolutley agree. The ME knows how to validate, record all the findings, through photo's, taping(video) keeping samples, etc..... They are doing this because it's high profile. How many defense att. defending a man accused of raping and murdering a woman, request this? I want to know what if the 2nd opinion is the same as the 1st autopsy?

I think they have to do this SNAZZY it could be a DP case because of the special circumstances added to the murder and kidnapping charges..and in High profile cases it is normal for this to be done and also with DP cases at this point they don't know if it will be a death P case so they want to have their own autopsy...I for one do not want it don't get me wrong..but it is very common to ask for this..for one if she did not confess to this they have to prove MH did rape her they will say how do you know it was her and not prior injuries..O and no the 2nd will never be the same as the first opinion they will try to do all they can to try to say it can not be proved...jmo

also remember if a man raps a women there could be more evidence of a rape such as sperm..we don't know what they have in this case all they say is a object was used...DO NOT get me wrong I am not saying I am happy about this it sickens me but like I said I want a conviction to stick and no appeals down the road it will be so hard on the family to get through this trial they have a long hard trial to get through so lets make sure they only have to do it 1 time

[Texas48]

Morning everyone,

Dr. AHA Baden isn't on NG, she has, Dr. Perper, or another ME that's available. Dr. AHA Baden was always on Greta before Faux made her show go politcal. Geraldoidiot also uses Baden <gag> JMO

O/T I twittered for the 1st time.......I don't get it:confused:your right snazzy..Dr Baden works for Fox..I wounder how long before his name shows up in this case?

[dinojen]

Morning everyone,

Dr. AHA Baden isn't on NG, she has, Dr. Perper, or another ME that's available. Dr. AHA Baden was always on Greta before Faux made her show go politcal. Geraldoidiot also uses Baden <gag> JMO

O/T I twittered for the 1st time.......I don't get it:confused:


Hey if you figure it out let me know... one of my bosses at work set one up yesterday...lol... seems like a lot of grief to me... it's bad enough I have MySpace and Facebook (thanks to the kids... geesh)

[Keegan]

Morning mom..good to see everyone here this am. At this point I really don't care if MH was abused or not..I know that sound very cold hearted but it is what it is right now...The damage has been done and can't be undone. It too late for a beautiful little girl that we last saw skipping along loving life. The ONLY one I would be worried about NOW is MH's daughter..Madison. No one knows if this baby was abused or not by her mother or..was allowed to be abused by *someone* else. This case may break OPEN something very scary for us all. IF..MH did not do this by herself as some thinks is possible then LE may have their hands full. There was a newscast last night about a Tracy teacher? I did not catch all but it did not sound good. Oh My..what a case. and Please..don't hit me too hard for sounding cold.

Tex, I will be the ice cube. This woman is nothing but an attention grabbing monster. Her "poor me" excuses don't work for me. There is a huge difference between an eight year old being raped and murdered and an 18 year old being raped with a HUGE story like she gave to her friends. My opinion I don't believe her. She does what she can to gather attention. I am sure she was HIGH during the investigation. Every just everyone needed to talk to her.

She knew what she was doing and got a kick from it.
A sweet little girl lost her life.

[dinojen]

Morning mom..good to see everyone here this am. At this point I really don't care if MH was abused or not..I know that sound very cold hearted but it is what it is right now...The damage has been done and can't be undone. It too late for a beautiful little girl that we last saw skipping along loving life. The ONLY one I would be worried about NOW is MH's daughter..Madison. No one knows if this baby was abused or not by her mother or..was allowed to be abused by *someone* else. This case may break OPEN something very scary for us all. IF..MH did not do this by herself as some thinks is possible then LE may have their hands full. There was a newscast last night about a Tracy teacher? I did not catch all but it did not sound good. Oh My..what a case. and Please..don't hit me too hard for sounding cold.


Why would anyone hit you...everyone has their own opinions and your entitled to yours.. this case is just sad all the way around it... one family losing their adorable little girl, another little girl losing her mother.. an she has no way of understanding at her age why.. the whole thing is just sad.

I don't know what is going on in Tracy lately.. but dang.. first they had the tortured teen, then Sandra, now they have a dr. that was molesting his patients.. :confused:

[aproudmom]

Morning mom..good to see everyone here this am. At this point I really don't care if MH was abused or not..I know that sound very cold hearted but it is what it is right now...The damage has been done and can't be undone. It too late for a beautiful little girl that we last saw skipping along loving life. The ONLY one I would be worried about NOW is MH's daughter..Madison. No one knows if this baby was abused or not by her mother or..was allowed to be abused by *someone* else. This case may break OPEN something very scary for us all. IF..MH did not do this by herself as some thinks is possible then LE may have their hands full. There was a newscast last night about a Tracy teacher? I did not catch all but it did not sound good. Oh My..what a case. and Please..don't hit me too hard for sounding cold.

Morning Texas I agree and I hate to sound as if I want this child to taken back for a 2nd autopsy I just do not want to see down the road them using this. I want this family to have 1 trial I am sick over it more than most know I was so angry to hear they ask for this the same day she had the memorial..I am still mad...but I want JUSTICE for this child and for this family..as far as MH she is no concern to me..I do not care if someone comes out and says she is the Queen of England she is nothing but a child killer... imo

[Texas48]

I think they have to do this SNAZZY it could be a DP case because of the special circumstances added to the murder and kidnapping charges..and in High profile cases it is normal for this to be done and also with DP cases at this point they don't know if it will be a death P case so they want to have their own autopsy...I for one do not want it don't get me wrong..but it is very common to ask for this..for one if she did not confess to this they have to prove MH did rape her they will say how do you know it was her and not prior injuries..O and no the 2nd will never be the same as the first opinion they will try to do all they can to try to say it can not be proved...jmo

also remember if a man raps a women there could be more evidence of a rape such as sperm..we don't know what they have in this case all they say is a object was used...DO NOT get me wrong I am not saying I am happy about this it sickens me but like I said I want a conviction to stick and no appeals down the road it will be so hard on the family to get through this trial they have a long hard trial to get through so lets make sure they only have to do it 1 timeI understand what u are saying mom and you are absolutely correct...but....IMO only...I don't believe the defense is going to find anything different if they do exhume her little body. I know I am letting my heart get in the way but this is how I really feel. I'm afraid the *object* that was used is going to scare the heck out of all of us...look how all of LE has been effected..I just hope MH will plead and not even go to trial...LWOP is good enough..imo..

[aproudmom]

I think my tweet is lost in Twitterspace.:ohmy:


I don't think AHA Baden will have time for this case, his wife needs all the help she can get( and then some) on the OC case. JMO

:thumbsup:I agree with you..bet he is still sleeping on the couch after his little slip about chloroform...lol..

[Texas48]

I think my tweet is lost in Twitterspace.:ohmy:


I don't think AHA Baden will have time for this case, his wife needs all the help she can get( and then some) on the OC case. JMO
Your *tweet* is lost? Thats what u get for trying to twitter..lol

[aproudmom]

Hey if you figure it out let me know... one of my bosses at work set one up yesterday...lol... seems like a lot of grief to me... it's bad enough I have MySpace and Facebook (thanks to the kids... geesh)

I still have no idea what twitter is all about and like you my kiddos did the myspace and facebook for me also..I am not so sure I can learn anymore took me months to get texting down...:biggrin:

[Texas48]

Why would anyone hit you...everyone has their own opinions and your entitled to yours.. this case is just sad all the way around it... one family losing their adorable little girl, another little girl losing her mother.. an she has no way of understanding at her age why.. the whole thing is just sad.

I don't know what is going on in Tracy lately.. but dang.. first they had the tortured teen, then Sandra, now they have a dr. that was molesting his patients.. :confused:Yea..I know as well as anyone we all have opinions..I just hate sounding like I have a heart of stone and I don't..I have lived lots of years..have many children and many many Grandchildren...I just have nothing but disgust for this woman/mother....The other day when she appeared in court she looked so drugged out that she didn't even realize where she was...shes under a suicide watch so I'm sure the doctors have her on meds.....then I see Sandra's mother and she has to face this for the rest of her life head on....wide eyed.

[5swab5]

:thumbsup:I agree with you..bet he is still sleeping on the couch after his little slip about chloroform...lol..



For REAL! He has been in the pout house for some time. Wonder if he is on bread and water? MOO

[aproudmom]

I understand what u are saying mom and you are absolutely correct...but....IMO only...I don't believe the defense is going to find anything different if they do exhume her little body. I know I am letting my heart get in the way but this is how I really feel. I'm afraid the *object* that was used is going to scare the heck out of all of us...look how all of LE has been effected..I just hope MH will plead and not even go to trial...LWOP is good enough..imo..

I know Tex right there with you I was so angry yesterday my poor keyboard was getting a beating...but trying to put the anger away and just see what happens the judge may say no..I really thought she would plea but not so sure now with these new motions coming from her defense..Wish she would just go bye bye also LWOP..JMO
I am still not sure someone did not know what was going on though maybe not until after the fact but it is really bothering me..but they say no one else knew about this...I still wonder was there not red flags going on in that home..but JMO and I read to much I guess even the eyes for lies love reading her stuff may not be right but good reading imo..

[iluvmua]

Would LE be able to tell if Sandra was Sexually Assaulted before or after she was killed?

[dinojen]

I still have no idea what twitter is all about and like you my kiddos did the myspace and facebook for me also..I am not so sure I can learn anymore took me months to get texting down...:biggrin:

Hey... I don't have the energy I don't think to learn another technical internet whatever...:w00t: Bad enough I played with my cell phone and now everytime I get a email it sends me a text message on my phone and for the life of me I can't figure out how to stop it.. and it isn't even a Blackberry....:cursing:

[Texas48]

Morning Texas I agree and I hate to sound as if I want this child to taken back for a 2nd autopsy I just do not want to see down the road them using this. I want this family to have 1 trial I am sick over it more than most know I was so angry to hear they ask for this the same day she had the memorial..I am still mad...but I want JUSTICE for this child and for this family..as far as MH she is no concern to me..I do not care if someone comes out and says she is the Queen of England she is nothing but a child killer... imo No no Mom...I KNOW you are right and I know u have a heart the size of...lets say Texas....I know this case as most likely torn your heart into...I can understand exactly what u are saying...and you are right..My heart just hurts..and I quess I would like for MH's face never to be shown again..for Sandra's mother/familys sake. Thats my heart speaking.