NC DA: Accused Marine to Return to US From Mexico

[Marcia3]

From News 5 in Cincinnati:

http://www.wlwt.com/news/19193150/detail.html

Finally, after all of this time, Laurean is returning to the States!

[crymeariver2006]

That's good to hear!

Maybe when he returns, the Lauterbach forum will reopen.

More news here and on Lindell's blog:

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_63656___article.html/authorities_lauterbach.html

[Tokyo Rose]

This is GREAT news!! On with the trial.

[Lyn_T]

Hopefully this will be a speedy process.... great news he is being returned.

[henry]

yahoo! :patriot:

does anyone know where the old threads/links went to?

edit - found the links thread . . . http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=322451

now to find/see if the discussion threads are still accessible

[Riverwalk!]

Yay!!!!!!!

[Marcia3]

I am hoping that one of the Ohio news stations will carry the trial live. I'll keep checking on that and post a link if that comes to pass. I am hoping that he will plead guilty and go off to prison like he should, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

[CANDYKISSES]

I am hoping that one of the Ohio news stations will carry the trial live. I'll keep checking on that and post a link if that comes to pass. I am hoping that he will plead guilty and go off to prison like he should, but I'm certainly not holding my breath.

I think there was a report out by Dick McNeil saying he is pleading NOT GUILTY.....

I'm waiting to see what the status of his marriage to Christina is now after her birthday trip to Mexico.....:w00t:

Just waiting Ms. Marcia.....

Justice for taking the LIFE OF MARIA AND HER CHILD will be delivered when the truth comes out. I'm still thinking the truth is between husband and wife somewhere, but I guess time will tell. :unsure: jmo

[jewel6]

This will be a great trial. cant wait for everything to come out. I too always thought his wife knew something. prayers for Maria and her unborn child!

[Search4U]

woo hoo!!! Like someone else has already said, but worth repeating.....on with the TRIAL already!!!

[baywench]

Yea! Can't wait to post with all the gang! Great, Great news.

[Tokyo Rose]

I feel sorry for Cristina. Now that this case is coming to the forefront again, she will be trashed on the internet. This is not good for the child either. JMO

At least we all know now she was cleared of any wrong doing by the police and the DA.

I'm hoping Tru TV will cover this trial. Unfortunately in NC it could take a year or more to come to trial.

Justice for Maria and her child.

[Tokyo Rose]

From News 5 in Cincinnati:

http://www.wlwt.com/news/19193150/detail.html

Finally, after all of this time, Laurean is returning to the States!


Thanks for the link. I finally found out what happened with the Touma case.

[donna]

From News 5 in Cincinnati:

http://www.wlwt.com/news/19193150/detail.html

Finally, after all of this time, Laurean is returning to the States!

I just read that a little while ago with tears in my eyes, Marcia3! Thanks!

I can hardly believe it! I still remember the day you drove to Maria's funeral and came back to give us your update on it.

I was just worried that it would never happen.

[marinewife5]

I just read that a little while ago with tears in my eyes, Marcia3! Thanks!

I can hardly believe it! I still remember the day you drove to Maria's funeral and came back to give us your update on it.

I was just worried that it would never happen.

I am so anxious to get to the truth! I agree with Candy...it lies somewhere between husband and wife...I am confident it will come out.

[marinewife5]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516581,00.html

It was reported that he was NOT the father of the unborn child...up until now, that was just a rumor...

[Janz]

Yea! Can't wait to post with all the gang! Great, Great news.

I cannot wait either, baywench. I don`t think it will be a long wait if he is to be extradicted back on Friday. Someone has been working overtime with the Mexican government to get this done so quickly. I see his attorney is already asking for delays and criticising Sheriff Brown.

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516581,00.html

It was reported that he was NOT the father of the unborn child...up until now, that was just a rumor...

Hail, hail, the gang's all here!

Wow! Fox just kinda threw that out like "we thought everybody knew that"!

Of course Lindell is claiming bragging rights to that tidbit.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=1383

He was supposed to be back today!

Good to see you again, BTW.

:wink:

[n/t]

:thumbsup:

Yup, on with the trial so Maria and her baby can finally have justice!

[nuttintodo]

Hey it looks like it old home week!! Good to see some familiar "faces".

LK has dropped some more kibbles that CAL has left Mexico, according to his "sources".

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=1384

I'll be even happier once CAL is back in US custody and on his way to NC.

On to the trial....

[marinewife5]

Hey it looks like it old home week!! Good to see some familiar "faces".

LK has dropped some more kibbles that CAL has left Mexico, according to his "sources".

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=1384

I'll be even happier once CAL is back in US custody and on his way to NC.

On to the trial....

boy, this news is really bringing back the usuals!

I'm not sure how much I miss LK.


I hope this trial gets underway ASAP!

[Tokyo Rose]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,516581,00.html

It was reported that he was NOT the father of the unborn child...up until now, that was just a rumor...

That's a shocker.:unsure:

[CANDYKISSES]

I am so anxious to get to the truth! I agree with Candy...it lies somewhere between husband and wife...I am confident it will come out.

Hello there MW, it's good to see everyone straggling in here. IS NC still open file discovery? Also, did I read he was being turned over to the USMC or was that wishful thinking? :blushing:

Well, if true, this certainly opens up a can of worms given that Cesar denied the sexual assault up until the end IIRC. :unsure:

I'm skeptical on this part right now, but I know many people struggled with Mary using the word "OFFICER", so if McNeil gives it his best shot and Cesar pleads NOT GUILTY, it could be very interesting IMO.

Ultimately I hope for the truth to be known and WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE for the DEATH OF MARIA AND HER UNBORN CHILD needs to be held accountable.

I want to hear what Cesar's story was to his family and friends as well. I still think there's a stinker here besides Cesar. JMO tho.

[nuttintodo]

boy, this news is really bringing back the usuals!

I'm not sure how much I miss LK.


I hope this trial gets underway ASAP!

As in suspects? :laugh: Good to "see" you.

I remember when LK was dropping his crumbs about CAL not being the father a year ago, but nothing "concrete" was ever published until now via Faux and CNN from an AP report. Now I wonder what caused all the rage on 12/14?

[court~critic1®]

Oh WOW the gang is here. Misssed you people.

It was reported last night on our local news that he will be brought to Tx. and then extradited to NC. More delay as I see it. UGH!

[Tokyo Rose]

As in suspects? :laugh: Good to "see" you.

I remember when LK was dropping his crumbs about CAL not being the father a year ago, but nothing "concrete" was ever published until now via Faux and CNN from an AP report. Now I wonder what caused all the rage on 12/14?

I wonder when the results of the test were known. Did that come from the autopsy and the testing being done at that time? If so, Cal may have just thought he was the father on 12/14. If so, he killed her for nothing.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

CK, LTNS!

Yep NC is still open discovery. According to what Dewey said on the local news day before yesterday he'll give the files to McNeil once CAL is returned.

According to this am's article at JDNews, McNeil says he's going to file a motion to get the files.

"McNeil said once Laurean is returned to Onslow County, he can file a motion for prosecutors to turn over copies of all the evidence against his client."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63660___article.html/county_onslow.html

[Marcia3]

I think there was a report out by Dick McNeil saying he is pleading NOT GUILTY.....

I'm waiting to see what the status of his marriage to Christina is now after her birthday trip to Mexico.....:w00t:

Just waiting Ms. Marcia.....

Justice for taking the LIFE OF MARIA AND HER CHILD will be delivered when the truth comes out. I'm still thinking the truth is between husband and wife somewhere, but I guess time will tell. :unsure: jmo


Wow, I read through all of the posts and I'm stunned to learn that CAL is not the baby's father! I heard that rumor, of course, but dismissed it as being yet another twist and turn in this case that would amount to nothing.

Now I'm hoping for a trial. Maria and her baby need justice!

P.S. Good to see most of the old gang has stopped by to check in. Hugs and kisses to you all!!!

[nuttintodo]

I wonder when the results of the test were known. Did that come from the autopsy and the testing being done at that time? If so, Cal may have just thought he was the father on 12/14. If so, he killed her for nothing.

jmo

Good question.

I do remember Ciccarelli (NCIS) stating that they would wait until Laurean was back before running his DNA against Gabriel so who knows when the testing was done.

[Marcia3]

I just read that a little while ago with tears in my eyes, Marcia3! Thanks!

I can hardly believe it! I still remember the day you drove to Maria's funeral and came back to give us your update on it.

I was just worried that it would never happen.

I had become convinced that in this case, justice delayed would certainly be justice denied. Then I read that news article and actually did a little jig of joy!

I will always remember the day of the funeral. My heart has not been that heavy since...and I hope it never is that heavy again, and all for someone I never knew. I think all of us took Maria into our hearts, along with her baby who never had a chance.

[Tokyo Rose]

On MSNBC, he just landed in Miami. Hope we get some video.

[crymeariver2006]

On MSNBC, he just landed in Miami. Hope we get some video.

And boy are his arms tired!

:laugh:

J/K - hope we get some video too, but they'll probably shield him from cameras dontcha think?

[Marcia3]

And boy are his arms tired!

:laugh:

J/K - hope we get some video too, but they'll probably shield him from cameras dontcha think?

Cryme! I haven't heard that joke in years..heehee! :rolleyes:

Wonder if they'll let him throw something over his head to keep our prying eyes from seeing him.

[crymeariver2006]

Cryme! I haven't heard that joke in years..heehee! :rolleyes:

Wonder if they'll let him throw something over his head to keep our prying eyes from seeing him.

Like the runaway bride?

[Tokyo Rose]

And boy are his arms tired!

:laugh:

J/K - hope we get some video too, but they'll probably shield him from cameras dontcha think?

I believe they have an area at Miami International Airport that is very secure for comings and goings by the US Marshalls. IIRC all extraditions come through Miami. Don't hold me to that though. Hope it's just a short lay over. Process paperwork and onward to trial.

He WILL have to rest his arms some.

[Tokyo Rose]

CK, LTNS!

Yep NC is still open discovery. According to what Dewey said on the local news day before yesterday he'll give the files to McNeil once CAL is returned.

According to this am's article at JDNews, McNeil says he's going to file a motion to get the files.

"McNeil said once Laurean is returned to Onslow County, he can file a motion for prosecutors to turn over copies of all the evidence against his client."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63660___article.html/county_onslow.html

Of course the defense will only release for us to see what is beneficial to his client. This will come forward in motions and press conferences.
Trial by media. I wouldn't count on seeing all the files. The prosecution will not release anything for public consumption.

Also there could be a gag order requested.

This will more or less be a one way street until trial and all evidence comes out. We will have to continue being patient. On to trial.

JMO

[Anakerie]

Cesar Laurean is coming home to face the music... At last! It's about time he faces a judge and jury!!!

The sad part, is that as the murderer comes home, Maria's father is getting ready to leave next week for a 4 month deployment to Iraq.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/lauterbachs-father-deploying-as-accused-killer-returns-to-us-83677.html

[marinewife5]

Good question.

I do remember Ciccarelli (NCIS) stating that they would wait until Laurean was back before running his DNA against Gabriel so who knows when the testing was done.

it's been a while, but iirc, they went to mexico for a dna sample. am i mistaken?

i am so anxious to see what his attorney has to say. i know we'll never know the full truth, but there is so much more to this story than we know. also, i wonder if the mc will hand over any email communications to the DA?

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

If all this is true, I wonder what CAL must have thought when he found out the baby wasn't his and he could have gotten out of those rape charges scott free?

[nuttintodo]

"WITN has confirmed from officials Cesar Laurean is in the United States and is expected at the Onslow County Courthouse Monday for a first court appearance. Officials will not release where Laurean will be held until that time."

But later in the same article there's this: "Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said he expected Laurean to arrive at the local jail Friday night."

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/43064107.html

IMO, Dewey needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He's beginning to look like he loves his "face time".

I don't care where they hold him, I'm just glad he's back and will be in court on Monday morning. It's been a long time coming.

[marinewife5]

"WITN has confirmed from officials Cesar Laurean is in the United States and is expected at the Onslow County Courthouse Monday for a first court appearance. Officials will not release where Laurean will be held until that time."

But later in the same article there's this: "Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said he expected Laurean to arrive at the local jail Friday night."

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/43064107.html

IMO, Dewey needs to learn to keep his mouth shut. He's beginning to look like he loves his "face time".

I don't care where they hold him, I'm just glad he's back and will be in court on Monday morning. It's been a long time coming.


I hate to say it, but I'm not going to be shocked if no one goes to prison for this horrible crime. And I'm just going to leave it at that.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

CNN is not reporting any test results on Maria's baby as to who the father is or isn't. It looks like he is going from Miami straight to Onslow County Jail today.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/17/marine.slaying/index.html

[Anakerie]

I hate to say it, but I'm not going to be shocked if no one goes to prison for this horrible crime. And I'm just going to leave it at that.

jmo
:confused: I don't understand, marinewife... I don't mean to be nosy, but are you saying that you think Laurean is going to get off with no consequences?

[marinewife5]

:confused: I don't understand, marinewife... I don't mean to be nosy, but are you saying that you think Laurean is going to get off with no consequences?

I'm not at all saying that i want him to, I'm just worried that he will. He has a good defense atty, and i'm a little concerned with the DA. This is such a horrific crime, the perp needs to pay. For the rest of their life.

jmo

[Anakerie]

I'm not at all saying that i want him to, I'm just worried that he will. He has a good defense atty, and i'm a little concerned with the DA. This is such a horrific crime, the perp needs to pay. For the rest of their life.

jmo
Ohhhh... Got it... You had me worried for a bit there... I would hope that the evidence alone would convict Laurean... Is the DA there that bad?

[marinewife5]

Ohhhh... Got it... You had me worried for a bit there... I would hope that the evidence alone would convict Laurean... Is the DA there that bad?

I think he may be out of his league on this one. But nonetheless, I will continue to hope and pray for justice for Maria and Gabriel. They deserve it, and I'm hoping for a confession from CL, even though his atty said he will plead not guilty...

jmo

[Anakerie]

I think he may be out of his league on this one. But nonetheless, I will continue to hope and pray for justice for Maria and Gabriel. They deserve it, and I'm hoping for a confession from CL, even though his atty said he will plead not guilty...

jmo
I read that earlier today when I was reading through the news and gathering info to put on my blog... Pleading "not guilty"... Makes me wonder who they are going to put the blame on... Blood in the garage painted over by Cesar and his wife, body burned and buried in the back yard in the "firepit" that Cesar himself built... How the heck can they explain that away?

[Kel65]

I read that earlier today when I was reading through the news and gathering info to put on my blog... Pleading "not guilty"... Makes me wonder who they are going to put the blame on... Blood in the garage painted over by Cesar and his wife, body burned and buried in the back yard in the "firepit" that Cesar himself built... How the heck can they explain that away?

Who knows?

[Tokyo Rose]

I read that earlier today when I was reading through the news and gathering info to put on my blog... Pleading "not guilty"... Makes me wonder who they are going to put the blame on... Blood in the garage painted over by Cesar and his wife, body burned and buried in the back yard in the "firepit" that Cesar himself built... How the heck can they explain that away?


Of course he will plead not guilty. His defense attorney hasn't even had a chance to go over discovery or even talk to him. Who knows, his plea might change down the road.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Ohhhh... Got it... You had me worried for a bit there... I would hope that the evidence alone would convict Laurean... Is the DA there that bad?

The DA is not bad or out of his league. He's a trained prosecutor. It looks like they have plenty of evidence to try this case. I don't see this as a necessarily hard case to try, but that's just me.

jmo

[marinewife5]

I read that earlier today when I was reading through the news and gathering info to put on my blog... Pleading "not guilty"... Makes me wonder who they are going to put the blame on... Blood in the garage painted over by Cesar and his wife, body burned and buried in the back yard in the "firepit" that Cesar himself built... How the heck can they explain that away?

I'm betting that Mr. O'neill tries to allude that christina is the murderer. I hope that the evidence is crystal clear! It's bad enough they both got a Mexican vacation out of all of this.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Laurean is only a little over an hour away from Jacksonville....

http://www.wect.com/global/story.asp?s=10191236

"Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean landed at Wilmington International Airport just after 7:00 Firday night.

The airport had tight security as Laurean was picked up by FBI representatives, who are expected to take him to Onslow County."

[gaelicpeas]

Hello everybody - good to see all of you again! And glad to see Laurean is back in NC and that this thread has re-opened!

I guess we will see Laurean in court Monday? Does NC allow cameras in the courtroom? Do they have sunshine laws like Florida?

[marinewife5]

Hello everybody - good to see all of you again! And glad to see Laurean is back in NC and that this thread has re-opened!

I guess we will see Laurean in court Monday? Does NC allow cameras in the courtroom? Do they have sunshine laws like Florida?

I hope so! Maybe not quite as liberal, but I hope there will be cameras in the courtroom.

[Kel65]

I'm betting that Mr. O'neill tries to allude that christina is the murderer. I hope that the evidence is crystal clear! It's bad enough they both got a Mexican vacation out of all of this.

JMO

That is what I expect too.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm betting that Mr. O'neill tries to allude that christina is the murderer. I hope that the evidence is crystal clear! It's bad enough they both got a Mexican vacation out of all of this.

JMO

LOL, that's a "gimme" bet!

I hope they have more evidence than has ever been eluded to in the past.

And you know I, myself, have questions about Christina's knowledge before, during, and after the fact; as well as her actions while he was in Mexico.

[Kel65]

Laurean is in Onslow County

[marinewife5]

LOL, that's a "gimme" bet!

I hope they have more evidence than has ever been eluded to in the past.

And you know I, myself, have questions about Christina's knowledge before, during, and after the fact; as well as her actions while he was in Mexico.

awww...come on...i was gonna bet a nice new rug!:w00t:

I'm sure Mr. O'Neill also has questions for Cesar regarding his darling wife and her unbelievable lack of knowledge in all of this. And I'm sure he'll get the answers, too.

jmo

[strick10]

Laurean is in Onslow County


AAAhhhh, he has arrived.

[nuttintodo]

Booking pic up at JDNews.com

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63684___article.html/onslow_county.html

First picture is of the van that transported him and the 2nd one is his booking pic.

[marinewife5]

just to correct my above posts...I meant McNeill, not O'Neill. sorry:blushing:

[Tokyo Rose]

Hello everybody - good to see all of you again! And glad to see Laurean is back in NC and that this thread has re-opened!

I guess we will see Laurean in court Monday? Does NC allow cameras in the courtroom? Do they have sunshine laws like Florida?

Not even close.:sad:

[Tokyo Rose]

LOL, that's a "gimme" bet!

I hope they have more evidence than has ever been eluded to in the past.

And you know I, myself, have questions about Christina's knowledge before, during, and after the fact; as well as her actions while he was in Mexico.

Chistina has been cleared by the police department and the DA. It was also found she did nothing wrong in contacting Cesar in Mexico.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Not even close.:sad:
Not even close meaning what? TIA

[gaelicpeas]

Booking pic up at JDNews.com

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63684___article.html/onslow_county.html

First picture is of the van that transported him and the 2nd one is his booking pic.He looks pretty healthy there... although not very happy. I was expecting him to look more haggard.

[AlohaRainbow]

wow... i thought this day would never come.

so arraignment on monday?
i guess we'll hear then how quickly things will move

[Cardinal]

Hi, everyone :seeya: It's so good to see all of you! So, he's finally back.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4975050/

A couple of stories I've read say that Cesar isn't Gabriel's father. Is that confirmed?

[Tokyo Rose]

Not even close meaning what? TIA


NC is not even close to having Sunshine Laws like Florida.

[CANDYKISSES]

awww...come on...i was gonna bet a nice new rug!:w00t:

I'm sure Mr. O'Neill also has questions for Cesar regarding his darling wife and her unbelievable lack of knowledge in all of this. And I'm sure he'll get the answers, too.

jmo

The little vacation for two at the CASA DE INCARCERATION is like a whisper in the wind to Hudson IMO. IF he is still trying to paint Christina Laurean as an innocent, he better start the polishing now from my POV. :sneaky: JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Hi, everyone :seeya: It's so good to see all of you! So, he's finally back.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4975050/

A couple of stories I've read say that Cesar isn't Gabriel's father. Is that confirmed?


:shrug:

I don't know. Lindell claimed it all along. Then the other media just threw it out there like it was common knowledge.

[Tokyo Rose]

Just announced on HNN, tests confirmed Maria's baby was not Cesar's.:ohmy:

They also threw it out there like it was common knowledge.

[Kel65]

I wonder if Gabriel's bio dad will come into play during the trial?

[crymeariver2006]

I wonder if Gabriel's bio dad will come into play during the trial?

If he's even known.....

I'm sure McNeill will point at him too as having motive. Especially if it turns out that he's married and will compare what happened to Megan Touma.

Or if the bio dad files a wrongful death suit against Cesar.

Gonna get interesting, IMO.

[Tokyo Rose]

If he's even known.....

I'm sure McNeill will point at him too as having motive. Especially if it turns out that he's married and will compare what happened to Megan Touma.

Or if the bio dad files a wrongful death suit against Cesar.

Gonna get interesting, IMO.

The bodies were found in the back yard of Cesar's house. I don't think pointing at the bio dad as having a motive will help much. I wonder if the bio dad even knows or suspects the baby could be his. This news has been kept pretty quiet. It appears Lindell hasn't even said anything about it.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

If I am reading this link correctly, it appears that the use of cameras in the courtroom in NC is up to the discretion of the judge:

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/Forum/Documents/Rule15.doc

oops, I should have added this link also, which provides a link to the above:

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/Forum/Cameras.asp

[Kel65]

The bodies were found in the back yard of Cesar's house. I don't think pointing at the bio dad as having a motive will help much. I wonder if the bio dad even knows or suspects the baby could be his. This news has been kept pretty quiet. It appears Lindell hasn't even said anything about it.

jmo

Depending on who the dad is and where he resided at the time, it may be relevant.

Gabriel's bio dad may have been her reason for going to El Paso.

[marinewife5]

Chistina has been cleared by the police department and the DA. It was also found she did nothing wrong in contacting Cesar in Mexico.

jmo

that will not stop her possible involvement from being brought up by the defense in front of a jury. jmo

[marinewife5]

Depending on who the dad is and where he resided at the time, it may be relevant.

Gabriel's bio dad may have been her reason for going to El Paso.

he may have followed maria to the laurean's. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

that will not stop her possible involvement from being brought up by the defense in front of a jury. jmo

True that.

IMO, the jury's gonna have a hard time with Christina's story/actions.

She's not going to garner a lot of sympathy from them seeing as she 1) never filed for a divorce; 2) maintained contact with him even though he was wanted for murder and never told either LE or the USMC that she had maintained contact with him; and 3) visited him in Mexico, returned, and has not to this day filed for divorce from an alleged murderer who killed his victim and her baby in THEIR home where THEIR child also resided. Not to mention painting over blood in the home AND allowing Cesar enough time to flee the area before she went to the police.

[gaelicpeas]

This llink is an interesting discussion of open discovery in NC, although it is not clear to me from this article whether the public has access to the discovery:

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/Forum/Cameras.asp

Okay, I found it. This links states that criminal investigation proceedings are exempt from the NC Public Records Law (assuming I am reading this correctly). Scroll down to #11 and #12:

http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Publications&file=Publicrecords.pdf

[marinewife5]

True that.

IMO, the jury's gonna have a hard time with Christina's story/actions.

She's not going to garner a lot of sympathy from them seeing as she 1) never filed for a divorce; 2) maintained contact with him even though he was wanted for murder and never told either LE or the USMC that she had maintained contact with him; and 3) visited him in Mexico, returned, and has not to this day filed for divorce from an alleged murderer who killed his victim and her baby in THEIR home where THEIR child also resided. Not to mention painting over blood in the home AND allowing Cesar enough time to flee the area before she went to the police.


i am still trying to figure out how marital priviledge comes into play. as i understand it, she can't be forced to testify against her husband, but she can choose to. i may be wrong. jmo

[marinewife5]

This llink is an interesting discussion of open discovery in NC, although it is not clear to me from this article whether the public has access to the discovery:

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/Forum/Cameras.asp

Okay, I found it. This links states that criminal investigation proceedings are exempt from the NC Public Records Law (assuming I am reading this correctly). Scroll down to #11 and #12:

http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Publications&file=Publicrecords.pdf

it appears that we will be at the mercy of the presiding judge for any info we get from the trial. i'm sure both sides will encourage cameras in the courtroom...

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

i am still trying to figure out how marital priviledge comes into play. as i understand it, she can't be forced to testify against her husband, but she can choose to. i may be wrong. jmo

I think you're right, she can choose to. However, that would not stop McNeill from calling her to the stand and asking about HER actions (or lack thereof) that morning or the hundreds of mornings afterwards.

[crymeariver2006]

it appears that we will be at the mercy of the presiding judge for any info we get from the trial. i'm sure both sides will encourage cameras in the courtroom...

jmo

And Wanda will dress appropriately I'm sure!

:laugh:

[marinewife5]

And Wanda will dress appropriately I'm sure!

:laugh:

maybe she'll take notes for us. and save a seat for nuttin...

does anyone think they'll go for a change of venue?

[Tokyo Rose]

maybe she'll take notes for us. and save a seat for nuttin...

does anyone think they'll go for a change of venue?

I don't think so. The defense may try as they usually do. It's been a year and seems to have fallen out of the news pretty much.

I don't think there will be a change of venue if requested. I don't see where there would be a problem picking an impartial jury.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

True that.

IMO, the jury's gonna have a hard time with Christina's story/actions.

She's not going to garner a lot of sympathy from them seeing as she 1) never filed for a divorce; 2) maintained contact with him even though he was wanted for murder and never told either LE or the USMC that she had maintained contact with him; and 3) visited him in Mexico, returned, and has not to this day filed for divorce from an alleged murderer who killed his victim and her baby in THEIR home where THEIR child also resided. Not to mention painting over blood in the home AND allowing Cesar enough time to flee the area before she went to the police.

Most everything you're mentioning probably will not be allowed into evidence in the courtroom. Especially if it does not have anything to do with the murder. It has not been mentioned anywhere she deliberately and knowingly painted over blood.

She will not be the one on trial.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Most everything you're mentioning probably will not be allowed into evidence in the courtroom. Especially if it does not have anything to do with the murder. It has not been mentioned anywhere she deliberately and knowingly painted over blood.

She will not be the one on trial.

jmo

Everything I mentioned HAS to do with the murder and the aftermath. It will more than likely be part of the evidence presented by the defense - they are allowed to present their own evidence you know.

And no, she will not be the on on trial in Cesar's trial.

[gaelicpeas]

it appears that we will be at the mercy of the presiding judge for any info we get from the trial. i'm sure both sides will encourage cameras in the courtroom...

jmoYes, I agree.

You know, it has been so long since all this happened that I have forgotten half my theories! (which is probably a good thing)

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes, I agree.

You know, it has been so long since all this happened that I have forgotten half my theories! (which is probably a good thing)
LOL! iirc, you had some great and interesting theories.. but i can't remember the specifics :blushing:

[Tokyo Rose]

Everything I mentioned HAS to do with the murder and the aftermath. It will more than likely be part of the evidence presented by the defense - they are allowed to present their own evidence you know.

And no, she will not be the on on trial in Cesar's trial.

How will whether or not she divorced him be part of the trial? How will whether or not she went to Mexico to visit her husband be part of the trial? How will whether or not she maintained contact with him while on the run be part of the trial. It was determined she did nothing wrong in that regard by the police and the DA. She sent him no money. She is not the one on trial and therefore her actions are not subject to scrutiny by anyone. She was not charged with anything.

I think the defense is well aware of this also.

The defense can ask her anything they want on the stand, but the prosecutor can object and the judge makes the decision as to whether the question can be asked or not and therefore if the jury can consider the question or answer or both.

That's our justice system. I simply don't believe this will be a free for all on Christina.

jmo

[Cardinal]

I don't think so. The defense may try as they usually do. It's been a year and seems to have fallen out of the news pretty much.

I don't think there will be a change of venue if requested. I don't see where there would be a problem picking an impartial jury.

jmo

I think even after all this time, in a community with such a strong military component, there could be difficulty seating a jury. My guess is the COV will happen.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, btw. Folks down east won't take kindly to pregnant Marines being killed.

JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

This llink is an interesting discussion of open discovery in NC, although it is not clear to me from this article whether the public has access to the discovery:

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/Forum/Cameras.asp

Okay, I found it. This links states that criminal investigation proceedings are exempt from the NC Public Records Law (assuming I am reading this correctly). Scroll down to #11 and #12:

http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Publications&file=Publicrecords.pdf
thanks for the links..

it seems that once admitted into evidence/filed with the court clerk, exhibits are accessible to the public... but not until then?? (and if the exhibits are returned to the prosecutor, as per the scenario in the link below when a conviction was overturned, the exhibits again are considered inaccessible as part of criminal investigation)
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http://www.rcfp.org/ogg/item.php?t=short&state=NC&level=R4K04
"...the exhibits may have been accessible when they were admitted into evidence and in the possession of the clerk of court...the trial exhibits were returned to the district attorney's office at the conclusion of the trial ...for use in the reinvestigation and preparation of Crotts' retrial. . . . Accordingly, based on the plain meaning of N.C. Gen. Stat. § 132-1.4(a), these exhibits are once again 'records of criminal investigations' and as such are 'not public records."
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iirc from the duke la crosse farce (er, case), it wasn't until a document was filed with the court that it was released to the public??

[Tokyo Rose]

thanks for the links..

it seems that once admitted into evidence/filed with the court clerk, exhibits are accessible to the public... but not until then?? (and if the exhibits are returned to the prosecutor, as per the scenario in the link below when a conviction was overturned, the exhibits again are considered inaccessible as part of criminal investigation)
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http://www.rcfp.org/ogg/item.php?t=short&state=NC&level=R4K04
"...the exhibits may have been accessible when they were admitted into evidence and in the possession of the clerk of court...the trial exhibits were returned to the district attorney's office at the conclusion of the trial ...for use in the reinvestigation and preparation of Crotts' retrial. . . . Accordingly, based on the plain meaning of N.C. Gen. Stat. § 132-1.4(a), these exhibits are once again 'records of criminal investigations' and as such are 'not public records."
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iirc from the duke la crosse farce (er, case), it wasn't until a document was filed with the court that it was released to the public??

Yes, all the defense motions filed. That was how the defense got what they wanted in the media. That and any press conferences unless a gag order is issued.

I mentioned in a previous post what we will get is what the defense will want to release which will be the defendant's side. Maybe the prosecution will file a motion or two this time. Let's hope so. That's all we will get until trial. Just what's filed with he court.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Everything I mentioned HAS to do with the murder and the aftermath. It will more than likely be part of the evidence presented by the defense - they are allowed to present their own evidence you know.

And no, she will not be the on on trial in Cesar's trial.

and 1) she only has 1 or 2 more supporters in Onslow County than Cesar does, and you can bet that Dick McNeill reads the JDNews comments/Lindell's blog and 2) I will not in a million years believe that Cesar will put his butt in prison to save the wife he cared so little for that he cheated. The defense is going to cast as much doubt as possible and, unfortunately for devoted wife Christina, she is the easiest mark to throw under the bus.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

How will whether or not she divorced him be part of the trial? How will whether or not she went to Mexico to visit her husband be part of the trial? How will whether or not she maintained contact with him while on the run be part of the trial. It was determined she did nothing wrong in that regard by the police and the DA. She sent him no money. She is not the one on trial and therefore her actions are not subject to scrutiny by anyone. She was not charged with anything.

I think the defense is well aware of this also.

The defense can ask her anything they want on the stand, but the prosecutor can object and the judge makes the decision as to whether the question can be asked or not and therefore if the jury can consider the question or answer or both.

That's our justice system. I simply don't believe this will be a free for all on Christina.

jmo

It's called credibility.

And if the state's "star witness" doesn't have it, the state's case goes down the drain.

Maybe a jury will hear that she waited until he had time to leave the state before she went to the police - and they will be okay with it.

Maybe a jury will hear that she knew Maria was missing and that she had accused her husband of rape, yet she never once asked him whatever happened to her - and they will be okay with it.

Maybe a jury will hear that when he was wanted by the police and the USMC, she never lifted a finger to tell them that she had been in contact with him - regularly and only fessed up when confronted - and they will be okay with it.

Maybe a jury will hear that Christina herself confronted Maria - angrily as I recall - and they will be okay with it.

But don't kid yourself. McNeill is allowed to present a defense of an alternate perp and if he has just as much evidence against the alternate as his client, maybe moreso, as well as motive, the jury might just listen.

Don't forget, Maria was buried in CHRISTINA'S back yard too. For a whole month. And she never uttered a word of concern over the charges he was facing and the fact that the one who had accused him was missing.

[crymeariver2006]

and 1) she only has 1 or 2 more supporters in Onslow County than Cesar does, and you can bet that Dick McNeill reads the JDNews comments/Lindell's blog and 2) I will not in a million years believe that Cesar will put his butt in prison to save the wife he cared so little for that he cheated. The defense is going to cast as much doubt as possible and, unfortunately for devoted wife Christina, she is the easiest mark to throw under the bus.

jmo

And you can bet McNeill has not been sitting in Onslow County twiddling his thumbs waiting for Cesar to return. He more than likely has an investigator (or three) who know more about Christina than Dewey does or cared to know.

Plus, she's easy to throw under the bus because of her own actions.

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, I agree.

You know, it has been so long since all this happened that I have forgotten half my theories! (which is probably a good thing)

LOL! I used to read your theories every morning!

[Babes]

Hi

It's been what more than a year before we stopped talking about this case? We need some refreshers. IMO... I still believe that Christina is involve somehow and knows more than what she's talking.

This is the news link that he's back with his new picture
http://www.whiotv.com/news/19216617/detail.html

[gaelicpeas]

LOL! I used to read your theories every morning!lol... I am trying to remember them. I remember one of them was that Maria ran into the Laureans in the parking lot heading into the work party, and there was a confrontation. He left with Maria, and Christina headed into the party alone. I can't remember the others!

[Tokyo Rose]

My theory is Cesar has been extradited back to Onslow County, put in jail, and is awaiting trial for the murder of Maria and her unborn child.:shrug:

[sunstar]

I'm so glad to see the forum open again ~ I just posted the update that he is back here up in the other thread in the Trials forum.

It seems he has a court appearance on Monday.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4975050/

[baywench]

Hi

It's been what more than a year before we stopped talking about this case? We need some refreshers. IMO... I still believe that Christina is involve somehow and knows more than what she's talking.

This is the news link that he's back with his new picture
http://www.whiotv.com/news/19216617/detail.html

You are so right! I was thinking the other day we all were into this so deep and now I have trouble recalling all the details. I agree, no way does Christinia not be involved. Unless she was deaf, dumb and blind she would have known something was wrong. Do you think Christina killed her or was involved in the killing, or just covered it up?

[baywench]

My theory is Cesar has been extradited back to Onslow County, put in jail, and is awaiting trial for the murder of Maria and her unborn child.:shrug:

Then I guess you won't have alot to contribute to the conversation imo

[Tokyo Rose]

Then I guess you won't have alot to contribute to the conversation imo

Why is it you don't believe the police or DA when it comes to Christina? Remember the press conference when they cleared her of any wrong doing?

Do you feel they have all the evidence they need to arrest her for something and just aren't doing it? Do you feel they are lying?

I'll continue to follow the case here if that's OK with you. Do you dislike anyone who has a different opinion than you or is it just me you seem to dislike.

By the way, I find it distasteful Christina went to visit Cesar. I also find it extraordinary she hasn't divorced him yet, but that only makes her a fool IMO and that is not criminal.

[baywench]

Why is it you don't believe the police or DA when it comes to Christina? Remember the press conference when they cleared her of any wrong doing?

Do you feel they have all the evidence they need to arrest her for something and just aren't doing it? Do you feel they are lying?

I'll continue to follow the case here if that's OK with you. Do you dislike anyone who has a different opinion than you or is it just me you seem to dislike.

I believe with him running off to Mexico that alot of evidence has not yet been gathered and therefore Christina's involvement is so far based on Christina's own recounting of the tale. I am thrilled you obviously do have a theory and thought your post was snarky for no reason. not a good way to start things off. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I believe with him running off to Mexico that alot of evidence has not yet been gathered and therefore Christina's involvement is so far based on Christina's own recounting of the tale. I am thrilled you obviously do have a theory and thought your post was snarky for no reason. not a good way to start things off. jmo

OK, maybe I was a little snarky. Sorry.

[baywench]

OK, maybe I was a little snarky. Sorry.


Accepted and appreciated. On with the case:smile:

[marinewife5]

it just feels sooooo good to know cesar is back "home". i thought about it all day. now maybe some answers!

[marinewife5]

i hope that mcneil elaborates on cesar saying "proof" and "i loved her"....both have been driving me crazy!

[gaelicpeas]

i hope that mcneil elaborates on cesar saying "proof" and "i loved her"....both have been driving me crazy!I agree... was he just trying to cover his tush, or does that implicate his wife, or somebody else?

[marinewife5]

I agree... was he just trying to cover his tush, or does that implicate his wife, or somebody else?

it's infuriating to be this close to him and not be able to stroll in and get some answers...i know we'll never know the whole truth, but there are definately some gaps that should close up a bit.

grrrrrrrr

jmo

[sunstar]

i hope that mcneil elaborates on cesar saying "proof" and "i loved her"....both have been driving me crazy!

Yes!! I definitely want to hear more about that too. I still think she had something to do with Maria's murder. MOO

[sunstar]

I think even after all this time, in a community with such a strong military component, there could be difficulty seating a jury. My guess is the COV will happen.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, btw. Folks down east won't take kindly to pregnant Marines being killed.

JMO

They're welcome to move the trial down here to Mecklenburg Co.! :biggrin:

[sunstar]

Maria's father is being deployed to Iraq ~ :sad:

Lauterbach’s father deploying as accused killer returns to U.S.

Updated 10:52 AM Friday, April 17, 2009
The father of slain pregnant Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach is preparing to deploy to Iraq next week as his daughter’s accused killer is being returned to the United States.

Victor Lauterbach is an Air Force Reserve master sergeant in the 87th Aerial Port Squadron, which is part of the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. The squadron is responsible for the on- and off-loading of equipment, cargo and personnel onto aircraft.

Victor Lauterbach is expected to deploy for four months. He leaves Thursday, April 23.

“I will go to the trial even if it falls during that time period,” his wife Mary Lauterbach told the Dayton Daily News Thursday.

more at: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/lauterbachs-father-deploying-as-accused-killer-returns-to-us-83677.html

[gaelicpeas]

it's infuriating to be this close to him and not be able to stroll in and get some answers...i know we'll never know the whole truth, but there are definately some gaps that should close up a bit.

grrrrrrrr

jmoHey - maybe they will let him have visitors? You should try it....

[marinewife5]

They're welcome to move the trial down here to Mecklenburg Co.! :biggrin:

i hope you're prepared for several IS posters to bunk down with you!!! i like my eggs over easy, please:wink:

i think the defense will prefer to keep things in onslow, but then again, cesar went right by my house on his way to mexico and i didn't nab him, so what do i know :huh:

jmo

[marinewife5]

Hey - maybe they will let him have visitors? You should try it....

i think big ed would politely but firmly show me the door...and i don't trust myself to not slap him.

eta: slap cesar, not sherriff brown

[gaelicpeas]

i hope you're prepared for several IS posters to bunk down with you!!! i like my eggs over easy, please:wink:

i think the defense will prefer to keep things in onslow, but then again, cesar went right by my house on his way to mexico and i didn't nab him, so what do i know :huh:

jmoI think I read in one of the articles in the last couple of days that McNeil said he was going to file for a change of venue. JMO until I find that article.

[gaelicpeas]

i think big ed would politely but firmly show me the door...and i don't trust myself to not slap him.lol... well, hey, Casey got a visit from that guy from her high school (that she had no clue who he was). You never know...

[marinewife5]

lol... well, hey, Casey got a visit from that guy from her high school (that she had no clue who he was). You never know...

and i'm sure he was very lonely in the mexican jail...i can tell him i just wanna hear his side. but he needs to do better than that cacamaimie story about maria killing herself.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

and i'm sure he was very lonely in the mexican jail...i can tell him i just wanna hear his side. but he needs to do better than that cacamaimie story about maria killing herself.

jmoSeriously... take a stroll downtown. I once inserted myself into a case (unfortunately, they said the perp had been transferred to another, unnamed facility, so I got nowhere).

[marinewife5]

Seriously... take a stroll downtown. I once inserted myself into a case (unfortunately, they said the perp had been transferred to another, unnamed facility, so I got nowhere).

lol...it's a 5 hour stroll now...i'm in VA. I'll send nuttin down in the morning. i'm confident she could get the truth out of him! besides, if i did go, the next thing you know, NG is playing my video visit over and over and over...

i'm surprised that we didn't get a statement from dick mcneill today. i heard a rumor he would be on geraldo tonight, but so far, no dice. ugh...an hour of my life i'll never get back.

jmo

[donna]

Hi

It's been what more than a year before we stopped talking about this case? We need some refreshers. IMO... I still believe that Christina is involve somehow and knows more than what she's talking.

This is the news link that he's back with his new picture
http://www.whiotv.com/news/19216617/detail.html

Thanks, Babe! I saw this on last night! I am amazed at the way Laurean looks now. He looks much younger than he did in that Mexico capture pic.

I think Christina was involved also. Always did!

:mellow:

[gaelicpeas]

lol...it's a 5 hour stroll now...i'm in VA. I'll send nuttin down in the morning. i'm confident she could get the truth out of him! besides, if i did go, the next thing you know, NG is playing my video visit over and over and over...

i'm surprised that we didn't get a statement from dick mcneill today. i heard a rumor he would be on geraldo tonight, but so far, no dice. ugh...an hour of my life i'll never get back.

jmoOh yeah... I forgot you moved!

[donna]

:thumbsup:......so good to see everyone is back!

I remember our outrage when Cesar was on the run and we were thinking we had to load up our SUV's and go find him.

I did not think Cesar would ever be captured and remember all of our sheer happiness when he was.

Then I had finally gotten to the point where I thought he just might not be extradited back to the U.S.!

Now here we are, all a year and almost 4 months later and Cesar is now a guest of Onslow County! Thank God!

Our lowest day was the cold day of Maria's funeral. I think we were all in tears. Marcia3 got back and gave us a firsthand impression of the service.

In the interium, I have gotten older, uglier, and fatter but am thrilled beyond belief that just maybe this year we will see a trial and real justice for Maria and baby Gabriel!

[gaelicpeas]

:thumbsup:......so good to see everyone is back!

I remember our outrage when Cesar was on the run and we were thinking we had to load up our SUV's and go find him.

I did not think Cesar would ever be captured and remember all of our sheer happiness when he was.

Then I had finally gotten to the point where I thought he just might not be extradited back to the U.S.!

Now here we are, all a year and almost 4 months later and Cesar is now a guest of Onslow County! Thank God!

Our lowest day was the cold day of Maria's funeral. I think we were all in tears. Marcia3 got back and gave us a firsthand impression of the service.

In the interium, I have gotten older, uglier, and fatter but am thrilled beyond belief that just maybe this year we will see a trial and real justice for Maria and baby Gabriel!Yep.. it has been a long time. Like you, I never thought we would see this day. I thought he would end up in Mexico forever. JMO

[Babes]

You are so right! I was thinking the other day we all were into this so deep and now I have trouble recalling all the details. I agree, no way does Christinia not be involved. Unless she was deaf, dumb and blind she would have known something was wrong. Do you think Christina killed her or was involved in the killing, or just covered it up?


IMO I am leaning to an old theory that Christina killed Maria upon seeing what Cesar and Maria are doing inside their house - but since Cesar is going to Jail anyway for the RAPE and other charges Christina told Cesar that one has to take care of their child ... and that's her - that's why she let Cesar vanished before..... they said it is about Christina's love for Cesar that she allowed him to escape before -- i dont think so... This is all part of Christina's plan and my theory is subject to change if Cesar will fully admit that he killed Maria in a different story.. IMO...

[Babes]

Most everything you're mentioning probably will not be allowed into evidence in the courtroom. Especially if it does not have anything to do with the murder. It has not been mentioned anywhere she deliberately and knowingly painted over blood.

She will not be the one on trial.

jmo


What about Christina's selling of furnitures, vaccuum to the local online site in their area after days the crime happened? Those furnitures or vacuum could reveal evidences but she get rid of it. How and where can we classify these informations? .... possible evidence?

[Babes]

I think I read in one of the articles in the last couple of days that McNeil said he was going to file for a change of venue. JMO until I find that article.


After a change of venue - maybe they will ask for a close door ( no media ) trial for the benefit of Christina..... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol...

[Cardinal]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1489942.html

"Lauterbach, who was eight months pregnant, worked with Laurean at nearby Camp Lejeune. She had accused him of rape, but tests later confirmed he wasn't the father of her unborn child."

The N&O is reporting as fact that Cesar wasn't Gabriel's father. That really throws a kink into my theories! So who was the father and how does that fit into what happened?

[Tokyo Rose]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1489942.html

"Lauterbach, who was eight months pregnant, worked with Laurean at nearby Camp Lejeune. She had accused him of rape, but tests later confirmed he wasn't the father of her unborn child."

The N&O is reporting as fact that Cesar wasn't Gabriel's father. That really throws a kink into my theories! So who was the father and how does that fit into what happened?

Cesar would have gotten out of those rape charges. If he killed her to get rid of the evidence, because he thought the baby was his, I wonder what he's thinking now?

Since the results of the tests, he's probably telling his wife that's proof he never had sex with Maria and everything Maria charged him with was a lie.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Cesar would have gotten out of those rape charges. If he killed her to get rid of the evidence, because he thought the baby was his, I wonder what he's thinking now?

Since the results of the tests, he's probably telling his wife that's proof he never had sex with Maria and everything Maria charged him with was a lie.

jmo

I'm not sure the fact that the baby wasn't Cesar's would have gotten him out of the rape charges; those are 2 entirely different things. OTOH, I've never been convinced a rape occurred.

I also don't think it proves he never had sex with Maria. As for what Christina believes, I also still not convinced she's entirely innocent in this whole tragedy. Especially after hearing Cesar say that he loved Maria. That would seem to give Christina a stronger motive than Cesar.

JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

I remember RS saying Maria and Cesar had contact before she went to his house that day. Did he tell her he was alone and to stop by to say goodbye before she left town?

Once there, did Cesar fly into a murderous jealous rage? Was she leaving town to be with another man? Did she tell him exactly what she thought of him? Did she look into his wonky eye and tell him he makes her sick?

He did say he loved her when caught in Mexico.

I wonder if the bio dad has come forward and been tested? It's not like he wouldn't have an idea who he is. He probably wants a piece of Cesar too.


jmo

[Cardinal]

I remember RS saying Maria and Cesar had contact before she went to his house that day. Did he tell her he was alone and to stop by to say goodbye before she left town?

Once there, did Cesar fly into a murderous jealous rage? Was she leaving town to be with another man? Did she tell him exactly what she thought of him? Did she look into his wonky eye and tell him he makes her sick?

He did say he loved her when caught in Mexico.

I wonder if the bio dad has come forward and been tested? It's not like he wouldn't have an idea who he is. He probably wants a piece of Cesar too.


jmo

Or maybe Christina came home early from the Christmas party because Cesar never showed, and caught them together.

As for the biological father, my guess is he's doing everything possible to stay completely off the radar. But someone has to have an inkling of who he is.

JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

I'm not sure the fact that the baby wasn't Cesar's would have gotten him out of the rape charges; those are 2 entirely different things. OTOH, I've never been convinced a rape occurred.

I also don't think it proves he never had sex with Maria. As for what Christina believes, I also still not convinced she's entirely innocent in this whole tragedy. Especially after hearing Cesar say that he loved Maria. That would seem to give Christina a stronger motive than Cesar.

JMO

Cesar told the military investigators he never had sex with Maria. If the baby turned out to be his, he would have been caught in a major lie. That would have given Maria the edge in the rape charges. The military was waiting for the results of DNA testing once the baby was born for their investigation.

Once the DNA testing came back as not Cesar's, that would have given him the edge in the he said she said rape case.

He would have gotten the benefit of the doubt in the Court Martial. He would have been off the hook.

He was also telling his wife all along he never had sex with Maria and she was lying. Now he can say I told you so.

Of course he had sex with Maria and was worried the baby was his. No testing was going to be done until after the birth, remember?

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Cardinel,

Christina heard Cesar say he loved Maria way after the murder.
That wouldn't have given her a motive after the fact. All along Cesar was telling his wife Maria was lying about everything just like he was telling the military investigators.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Or maybe Christina came home early from the Christmas party because Cesar never showed, and caught them together.

As for the biological father, my guess is he's doing everything possible to stay completely off the radar. But someone has to have an inkling of who he is.

JMO

Except that the police can place Christina at that party until after the death of Maria.

Why would the bio dad want to stay completely off the radar? Unless he's married he would have no reason to. He did nothing wrong.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Except that the police can place Christina at that party until after the death of Maria.

Why would the bio dad want to stay completely off the radar? Unless he's married he would have no reason to. He did nothing wrong.

jmo

Can they? Do they have an exact TOD? I don't see how that's possible given the amount of time that passed and the condition of Maria's body. We have only Cesar's/Christina's word for the TOD, and neither of them has proven to be particularly trustworthy, IMO. If Christina came home and found Maria and Cesar in a compromising situation, she wouldn't need to hear that he loved her in order to have a motive.

Maybe the biological father is married, or maybe he doesn't want his career impacted by this tragedy.

JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

To believe Christina committed this murder or was somehow involved, you would have to believe the police are covering for a cold blooded killer just to nail Cesar. You would have to believe they couldn't or wouldn't be able to do an investigation. You would have to believe the Crime Scene investigators are covering up.

You would have to believe in a major conspiracy. Somehow I don't think Christina would be worth that much to them. I don't think they would have minded one bit to charge her with anything they could. They would of had no trouble charging both of them. Nothing better than having two defendants turning on each other.

You would have to believe the military is letting a killer off the hook too.


jmo

[Cardinal]

To believe Christina committed this murder or was somehow involved, you would have to believe the police are covering for a cold blooded killer just to nail Cesar. You would have to believe they couldn't or wouldn't be able to do an investigation. You would have to believe the Crime Scene investigators are covering up.

You would have to believe in a major conspiracy. Somehow I don't think Christina would be worth that much to them. I don't think they would have minded one bit to charge her with anything they could. They would of had no trouble charging both of them. Nothing better than having two defendants turning on each other.


jmo


Do you think it's possible they needed Christina's continued contact with Cesar to track him? If she were sitting in jail, she couldn't be chatting with Cesar online.

Now that Cesar is back, we'll see.

[Tokyo Rose]

Can they? Do they have an exact TOD? I don't see how that's possible given the amount of time that passed and the condition of Maria's body. We have only Cesar's/Christina's word for the TOD, and neither of them has proven to be particularly trustworthy, IMO. If Christina came home and found Maria and Cesar in a compromising situation, she wouldn't need to hear that he loved her in order to have a motive.

Maybe the biological father is married, or maybe he doesn't want his career impacted by this tragedy.

JMO

Yes, they know. They also know who had contact with the body. They have much more than someone's word. They don't have Cesar's word because he wouldn't talk to them. As far as Christina's word, all they have is when she arrived home and the checking out of her alibi which obviously checked out. She hasn't been arrested.

I'm sorry, but I will never understand why people think the police are just so unbelievably stupid. Not only the police in this case, but the military too.

The right person is sitting in jail waiting to go to trial.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Do you think it's possible they needed Christina's continued contact with Cesar to track him? If she were sitting in jail, she couldn't be chatting with Cesar online.

Now that Cesar is back, we'll see.

No I don't. They wouldn't let a killer run loose to flee to Mexico too for that. They didn't even know she was chatting online until they got a tip and confiscated the computer.

Don't count on Cesar talking to the police. He has a lawyer. We will know at trial.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Can they? Do they have an exact TOD? I don't see how that's possible given the amount of time that passed and the condition of Maria's body. We have only Cesar's/Christina's word for the TOD, and neither of them has proven to be particularly trustworthy, IMO. If Christina came home and found Maria and Cesar in a compromising situation, she wouldn't need to hear that he loved her in order to have a motive.

Maybe the biological father is married, or maybe he doesn't want his career impacted by this tragedy.

JMO

And by late afternoon/early evening, that party would have likely been a party of one. I think it is very likely that Christina came home and found Maria at her house. Christina's timing for this case has always been a little too wonky. She gave Cesar just enough time to kill Maria and clean up the mess, so well that she had no idea that a brutal murder had just taken place moments before she happened to wander home...She just happened to take enough time telling LE that Cesar had left so that Cesar could hop his bus to Mexico.

I am wondering if the onslow county jail can record visits between cesar and christina?

jmo

[Cardinal]

Yes, they know. They also know who had contact with the body. They have much more than someone's word. They don't have Cesar's word because he wouldn't talk to them. As far as Christina's word, all they have is when she arrived home and the checking out of her alibi which obviously checked out. She hasn't been arrested.

I'm sorry, but I will never understand why people think the police are just so unbelievably stupid. Not only the police in this case, but the military too.

The right person is sitting in jail waiting to go to trial.

jmo

I don't think either the police or the military are stupid. On the contrary, I think they're both intelligent enough and clever enough to do whatever is necessary to resolve this case. Christina not having been arrested is not at all indicative of her innocence, any more than the lack of an arrest of Drew Peterson or Jason Young is indicative of their innocence.

Until I hear the evidence, I'm not willing to rule out Christina's involvement.

[Cardinal]

No I don't. They wouldn't let a killer run loose to flee to Mexico too for that. They didn't even know she was chatting online until they got a tip and confiscated the computer.

Don't count on Cesar talking to the police. He has a lawyer. We will know at trial.

jmo

Cesar wasn't allowed to "run loose to flee to Mexico." He was well on his way there before Christina went to the police.

And I wasn't referring to Cesar speaking to LE. I mean, now that he's back, we'll see whether or not LE brings charges against Christina.

[Tokyo Rose]

[QUOTE=marinewife5;13021632]And by late afternoon/early evening, that party would have likely been a party of one. I think it is very likely that Christina came home and found Maria at her house. Christina's timing for this case has always been a little too wonky. She gave Cesar just enough time to kill Maria and clean up the mess, so well that she had no idea that a brutal murder had just taken place moments before she happened to wander home...She just happened to take enough time telling LE that Cesar had left so that Cesar could hop his bus to Mexico.

I am wondering if the onslow county jail can record visits between cesar and christina?

jmo[/QUOTE

Why would the police, military, and DA let Christina off the hook? A woman and unborn baby were killed.

Arresting both of them was a much better scenario for them turning on each other.

[Cardinal]

And by late afternoon/early evening, that party would have likely been a party of one. I think it is very likely that Christina came home and found Maria at her house. Christina's timing for this case has always been a little too wonky. She gave Cesar just enough time to kill Maria and clean up the mess, so well that she had no idea that a brutal murder had just taken place moments before she happened to wander home...She just happened to take enough time telling LE that Cesar had left so that Cesar could hop his bus to Mexico.

I am wondering if the onslow county jail can record visits between cesar and christina?

jmo

Exactly, MW5. Good to see you! :seeya:

The timing has never worked for me to exclude Christina's involvement. Not to mention that she would have to be totally oblivious to the condition of her garage and backyard.

I'm not sure about recording visits. I know they can't record visits with his attorney, but I'm not sure about Christina.

[Tokyo Rose]

Cesar wasn't allowed to "run loose to flee to Mexico." He was well on his way there before Christina went to the police.

And I wasn't referring to Cesar speaking to LE. I mean, now that he's back, we'll see whether or not LE brings charges against Christina.

I was talking about Christina. Why would the police allow Christina to run loose to flee to Mexico like Cesar did. You had asked if it were possible they needed Christina loose to talk with Cesar on the internet.

What would change now that Cesar is back for charges to be brought against Christina?

Hopefully they are holding something over her head to get her to testify, but I really doubt it.

jmo

[marinewife5]

[QUOTE=marinewife5;13021632]And by late afternoon/early evening, that party would have likely been a party of one. I think it is very likely that Christina came home and found Maria at her house. Christina's timing for this case has always been a little too wonky. She gave Cesar just enough time to kill Maria and clean up the mess, so well that she had no idea that a brutal murder had just taken place moments before she happened to wander home...She just happened to take enough time telling LE that Cesar had left so that Cesar could hop his bus to Mexico.

I am wondering if the onslow county jail can record visits between cesar and christina?

jmo[/QUOTE

Why would the police, military, and DA let Christina off the hook? A woman and unborn baby were killed.

Arresting both of them was a much better scenario for them turning on each other.

so far, she is the only person who has given their account for that night. there are still many gaps to fill, and we don't know how she fits in to those gaps. they found cesar by tracking her, and if she were in jail, i believe he would still be in his shack, hiding from LE. You can bet that the USMC knows where she is at all times. If evidence surfaces that her story isn't true, DA Hudson won't have the final say in whether or not she's held accountable, nor will Rick Sutherland. I do not believe for a second that only one of the Laurean's is involved. I can't think of a single thing that points ONLY to cesar, rather than cesar and christina.

jmo

[Cardinal]

I was talking about Christina. Why would the police allow Christina to run loose to flee to Mexico like Cesar did. You had asked if it were possible they needed Christina loose to talk with Cesar on the internet.

What would change now that Cesar is back for charges to be brought against Christina?

Hopefully they are holding something over her head to get her to testify, but I really doubt it.

jmo

If you don't think that both LE and the military were watching Christina's every move, then you're the one that doubts their intelligence. Plus, she has a child to consider - if she thinks she's in the clear, she would have no incentive to go live in a shack in Mexico and eat berries or whatever.

And what has changed now that Cesar is back is that LE no longer needs Christina as a connection to Cesar.

JMO

[marinewife5]

I was talking about Christina. Why would the police allow Christina to run loose to flee to Mexico like Cesar did. You had asked if it were possible they needed Christina loose to talk with Cesar on the internet.

What would change now that Cesar is back for charges to be brought against Christina?

Hopefully they are holding something over her head to get her to testify, but I really doubt it.

jmo


he's barely been back 48 hours...Mr. McNeil will leave no stoned unturned, and Hudson and Sutherland cannot protect Christina from his investigation. They can't stand in front of her saying "Move it along...we've already checked her out...she's innocent...no point in even checking her story". In my personal opinion, from having lived in Onslow County for 5 years, and keeping up on the local news, the national spotlight on this case, mixed with the main suspect making it to Mexico, caused a few people to panic in their judgement, and now they can't just back down. I don't care who is involved in this crime...anyone involved needs to sit in prison.

jmo

[Cardinal]

[QUOTE=Tokyo Rose;13021642]

so far, she is the only person who has given their account for that night. there are still many gaps to fill, and we don't know how she fits in to those gaps. they found cesar by tracking her, and if she were in jail, i believe he would still be in his shack, hiding from LE. You can bet that the USMC knows where she is at all times. If evidence surfaces that her story isn't true, DA Hudson won't have the final say in whether or not she's held accountable, nor will Rick Sutherland. I do not believe for a second that only one of the Laurean's is involved. I can't think of a single thing that points ONLY to cesar, rather than cesar and christina.

jmo

Good point - the Marine Corps has not been forced to take a back seat and pull the death penalty off the table where Christina is concerned. Maybe LE and the Corps agreed to split jurisdiction.

ETA: Refresh my memory, MW5. Was Christina recalled to active duty after the murder, or did she initiate it?

[Tokyo Rose]

If you don't think that both LE and the military were watching Christina's every move, then you're the one that doubts their intelligence. Plus, she has a child to consider - if she thinks she's in the clear, she would have no incentive to go live in a shack in Mexico and eat berries or whatever.

And what has changed now that Cesar is back is that LE no longer needs Christina as a connection to Cesar.

JMO

Christina is needed to testify in court for the state and against her husband. If she doesn't, the state's case could be impacted according to the DA.

They don't allow killers to run loose for any reason. They would have gotten Cesar anyway. They did receive a tip about the computer.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Christina is needed to testify in court for the state and against her husband. If she doesn't, the state's case could be impacted according to the DA.

They don't allow killers to run loose for any reason. They would have gotten Cesar anyway. They did receive a tip about the computer.

jmo

I will bet a bushel of avocados that Christina won't testify against her husband. if she gets on that stand and starts to answer questions about her conversations with her husband pertaining to the case, that opens the door for Mr. McNeil to question her about same. and remember, christina was not a willing participant with the DA and LE questioning.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Christina is needed to testify in court for the state and against her husband. If she doesn't, the state's case could be impacted according to the DA.

They don't allow killers to run loose for any reason. They would have gotten Cesar anyway. They did receive a tip about the computer.

jmo

Christina's not running loose - she's in the Marine Corps. And whether or not she testifies, they can bring charges. She's at least an accessory, IMO. Whether before or after the fact remains to be seen.

[Cardinal]

I will bet a bushel of avocados that Christina won't testify against her husband. if she gets on that stand and starts to answer questions about her conversations with her husband pertaining to the case, that opens the door for Mr. McNeil to question her about same. and remember, christina was not a willing participant with the DA and LE questioning.

jmo

As much as love guacamole, I won't take that bet!

[marinewife5]

[QUOTE=marinewife5;13021668]

Good point - the Marine Corps has not been forced to take a back seat and pull the death penalty off the table where Christina is concerned. Maybe LE and the Corps agreed to split jurisdiction.

ETA: Refresh my memory, MW5. Was Christina recalled to active duty after the murder, or did she initiate it?

she initiated it, as i recall. before all of this went down.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

he's barely been back 48 hours...Mr. McNeil will leave no stoned unturned, and Hudson and Sutherland cannot protect Christina from his investigation. They can't stand in front of her saying "Move it along...we've already checked her out...she's innocent...no point in even checking her story". In my personal opinion, from having lived in Onslow County for 5 years, and keeping up on the local news, the national spotlight on this case, mixed with the main suspect making it to Mexico, caused a few people to panic in their judgement, and now they can't just back down. I don't care who is involved in this crime...anyone involved needs to sit in prison.

jmo

I agree, if she is involved, she needs to sit in prison. I have no love loss for her. I'm just doubting she ever will and that comes from the police and DA, not me.

I'm not saying the defense won't check everything out carefully once he gets discovery. That's his job. Will Cesar even want to attempt to throw Christina under the bus even if he could? Maybe the defense is just hoping she won't testify against her husband. I wonder how hard Cesar worked to have her not divorce him?

The defense is working to defend Cesar not to have a Perry Mason moment and "find the real killer".

jmo

[marinewife5]

I agree, if she is involved, she needs to sit in prison. I have no love loss for her. I'm just doubting she ever will and that comes from the police and DA, not me.

I'm not saying the defense won't check everything out carefully once he gets discovery. That's his job. Will Cesar even want to attempt to throw Christina under the bus even if he could? Maybe the defense is just hoping she won't testify against her husband. I wonder how hard Cesar worked to have her not divorce him?

The defense is working to defend Cesar not to have a Perry Mason moment and "find the real killer".

jmo

The DA and the SD are not the be all and end all of justice. I think the defense would welcome her on the stand. I can't fathom this getting all pinned on Christina and Cesar be innocent. Just as I can't fathom that she is innocent and it was all Cesar. If this hadn't all gone down in their home and yard, it would be different, then I could see how she's not at all involved.
Now, if Sherriff Brown comes forward and says they have investigated and she is absolutely not involved, that would be different for me. He has pointedly not done that.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I will bet a bushel of avocados that Christina won't testify against her husband. if she gets on that stand and starts to answer questions about her conversations with her husband pertaining to the case, that opens the door for Mr. McNeil to question her about same. and remember, christina was not a willing participant with the DA and LE questioning.

jmo

I'm worried she won't testify too. Not because she is concerned about cross examination, but because she is a masochist and still loves that cold blooded killer. She is an incredible fool.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

The DA and the SD are not the be all and end all of justice. I think the defense would welcome her on the stand. I can't fathom this getting all pinned on Christina and Cesar be innocent. Just as I can't fathom that she is innocent and it was all Cesar. If this hadn't all gone down in their home and yard, it would be different, then I could see how she's not at all involved.
Now, if Sherriff Brown comes forward and says they have investigated and she is absolutely not involved, that would be different for me. He has pointedly not done that.

jmo

MW5,yes he has. His spokesman said it and that is the same as him saying it. He made a spokesman for that reason. It had to be cleared by him. He sure hasn't denied it anyway. Besides, he has his own problems with that divining rod stuff. The defense will have a ball with that when he is on the stand. Now that could hurt the case with how Maria's body was discovered. He'll certainly look the fool without a doubt.

The "be all and end all of justice" is the jury and only the jury.

jmo

[marinewife5]

I'm worried she won't testify too. Not because she is concerned about cross examination, but because she is a masochist and still loves that cold blooded killer. She is an incredible fool.

jmo

knowing what went down in that house and knowing she knows what went down in that house, there are only two reasons i can think of for her staying by is side: 1) she knows he didn't do it and knows 100% who did (which is unlikely) or 2) she was involved directly with what happened.

She is well aware at this point that there will be no happily ever after with him. She cannot rely on him for financial support, or to help raise their daughter. I can't imagine a single person in her life not begging her on a daily basis to dump him and willing to help her move on. And if we are to believe that she is soooo in love with him that she just can't divorce him and move on, it makes her being at a party all afternoon and early evening WITHOUT HIM, all the more unlikely. 30 minutes into that party, when he didn't show, I can't imagine she would just stay. I'm also betting that she tried to call him repeatedly and either got no answer or a repeated "i'll be there soon". those would have been red flags and led to her tracking him down. she didn't trust him any further than she could throw him, because he gave her reason not to.

i wish i knew what led maria there that day.

jmo

[marinewife5]

MW5,yes he has. His spokesman said it and that is the same as him saying it. He made a spokesman for that reason. It had to be cleared by him. He sure hasn't denied it anyway. Besides, he has his own problems with that divining rod stuff. The defense will have a ball with that when he is on the stand. Now that could hurt the case with how Maria's body was discovered. He'll certainly look the fool without a doubt.

The "be all and end all of justice" is the jury and only the jury.

jmo

trust me on this, if it doesn't come from ed's mouth, you can't believe for certain that ed said it or that he believes it...he may be going along with dewey for the sake of the case, but his jury isn't out yet on christina. the divining rod stuff won't add up to much...i don't think anyone really cares how he found the body, just that he found it. it's just defense nonsense.

and yes, the jury will have the final say. and i pray that they find justice for maria and gabriel and can see past any nonsense that would get in the way of that.

jmo

[Cardinal]

MW5,yes he has. His spokesman said it and that is the same as him saying it. He made a spokesman for that reason. It had to be cleared by him. He sure hasn't denied it anyway. Besides, he has his own problems with that divining rod stuff. The defense will have a ball with that when he is on the stand. Now that could hurt the case with how Maria's body was discovered. He'll certainly look the fool without a doubt.

The "be all and end all of justice" is the jury and only the jury.

jmo

It was a dowsing rod, not a divining rod, but whether or not you consider it foolish, Sheriff Brown didn't invent it. :)

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cemetery/messages/5118.html

"Dowsing is an age-old art that has been used for centuries to locate water, graves and etc. I first learned about grave dowsing from a fellow volunteer at the Cass County Historical Society while working on "The Cemetery Project". Since that time, I have conducted several of my own experiments and researched different theories. I still don't know that answer as to just exactly why this technique works, but I can assure you that this technique does work and has been proven. "

[Tokyo Rose]

knowing what went down in that house and knowing she knows what went down in that house, there are only two reasons i can think of for her staying by is side: 1) she knows he didn't do it and knows 100% who did (which is unlikely) or 2) she was involved directly with what happened.

She is well aware at this point that there will be no happily ever after with him. She cannot rely on him for financial support, or to help raise their daughter. I can't imagine a single person in her life not begging her on a daily basis to dump him and willing to help her move on. And if we are to believe that she is soooo in love with him that she just can't divorce him and move on, it makes her being at a party all afternoon and early evening WITHOUT HIM, all the more unlikely. 30 minutes into that party, when he didn't show, I can't imagine she would just stay. I'm also betting that she tried to call him repeatedly and either got no answer or a repeated "i'll be there soon". those would have been red flags and led to her tracking him down. she didn't trust him any further than she could throw him, because he gave her reason not to.

i wish i knew what led maria there that day.

jmo

I wish I knew too. One thing I am fairly certain of is the last thing on Christina's mind that day was that Maria, of all people, could possibly be at her house. I don't think it would have thrown up a red flag to Christina that Cesar was staying home to continue their painting project. The GARAGE was left to paint. It wouldn't have been unusual for Christina to pick her child up after work and attend a party without Cesar. She knew the people there as well as he did. It wasn't like a civilian wife walking into a party of strangers. I'm thinking it was probably for her child to enjoy with other children being there. Why would it be unusual for her to be there until after 7pm? Time gets away from people at parties. We don't even know much about that party anyway.

I think Cesar contacted Maria and asked her to stop by and say goodbye before her trip. He would have known his wife wouldn't have been there. RS said there was contact between the two twice that day. When she was there and before she arrived there.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

It was a dowsing rod, not a divining rod, but whether or not you consider it foolish, Sheriff Brown didn't invent it. :)

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cemetery/messages/5118.html

"Dowsing is an age-old art that has been used for centuries to locate water, graves and etc. I first learned about grave dowsing from a fellow volunteer at the Cass County Historical Society while working on "The Cemetery Project". Since that time, I have conducted several of my own experiments and researched different theories. I still don't know that answer as to just exactly why this technique works, but I can assure you that this technique does work and has been proven. "

Well I hope the jury is as up on it as you are so they won't start snickering. You know, like Greta did when he put on that act for the cameras.

It's just not used in police work in this day and age anyway and really they tend to stick to tried and true scientific evidence. You know like maybe sniffer dogs which I understand where there and alerted on the area where the body was found. Just saying.......:rolleyes:

[marinewife5]

I wish I knew too. One thing I am fairly certain of is the last thing on Christina's mind that day was that Maria, of all people, could possibly be at her house. I don't think it would have thrown up a red flag to Christina that Cesar was staying home to continue their painting project. The GARAGE was left to paint. It wouldn't have been unusual for Christina to pick her child up after work and attend a party without Cesar. She knew the people there as well as he did. It wasn't like a civilian wife walking into a party of strangers. I'm thinking it was probably for her child to enjoy with other children being there. Why would it be unusual for her to be there until after 7pm? Time gets away from people at parties. We don't even know much about that party anyway.

I think Cesar contacted Maria and asked her to stop by and say goodbye before her trip. He would have known his wife wouldn't have been there. RS said there was contact between the two twice that day. When she was there and before she arrived there.

jmo

oh, i doubt maria was ever far from christina's mind. and being a civilian wife myself, and having attended many of these events, you are a guest of your marine. you do not go without him (or her), even if you are a marine yourself (unless you are in that unit) or a former marine. there is a very strict ettiquette about that. i believe that they planned on meeting there. also, it was a party in the offices that started in the early afternoon on a friday...it is beyond bizarre if that party did indeed go until 6 or 7 that evening. everyone wants to get out of there and go about their weekend. no young enlisteds want to hang out with senior enlisted or officers...they want to get out of there as fast as is appropriate and enjoy their "freedom". and the senior enlisted and officers tend to feel the same...a Marine party tends to have the same vibe as work...the ranks all matter, and your every action watched. We refer to it as forced fun in my house.

and the painting project wasnt started until after maria's death, iirc.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Well I hope the jury is as up on it as you are so they won't start snickering.

It's just not used in police work in this day and age anyway and really they tend to stick to tried and true scientific evidence. You know like maybe sniffer dogs which I understand where there and alerted on the area where the body was found. Just saying.......:rolleyes:

So Sheriff Brown is a bit of a character. But I don't think the jury will care about his methods - they'll be too horrified by the photos.

[Tokyo Rose]

trust me on this, if it doesn't come from ed's mouth, you can't believe for certain that ed said it or that he believes it...he may be going along with dewey for the sake of the case, but his jury isn't out yet on christina. the divining rod stuff won't add up to much...i don't think anyone really cares how he found the body, just that he found it. it's just defense nonsense.

and yes, the jury will have the final say. and i pray that they find justice for maria and gabriel and can see past any nonsense that would get in the way of that.

jmo

Oh, I trust you believe what you're saying, but let's face it, ole Ed had to make a spokesman because of his antics in front of the cameras, remember? Trust me, if he didn't agree, nothing would stop him from giving his opinion from what I've seen of him.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

So Sheriff Brown is a bit of a character. But I don't think the jury will care about his methods - they'll be too horrified by the photos.

I just hope the jury doesn't think the investigators on the case are like him.:sad:

Could go to credibility.

[Tokyo Rose]

Thanks for the interesting discussion this morning MW5 and Cardinal, but I have to go get trampled at the grocery store now.:laugh::seeya:

I've gotten some food for thought.

[Cardinal]

Thanks for the interesting discussion this morning MW5 and Cardinal, but I have to go get trampled at the grocery store now.:laugh::seeya:

I've gotten some food for thought.

Same to both of you. I've got to get some things done myself. :seeya:

[marinewife5]

Oh, I trust you believe what you're saying, but let's face it, ole Ed had to make a spokesman because of his antics in front of the cameras, remember? Trust me, if he didn't agree, nothing would stop him from giving his opinion from what I've seen of him.

jmo

lol...i do recall his "antics". but i think we all have seen what the "spokesperson" says and what is really going on can be two different things...and not just in this case. regardless, my biggest hope is that we find the truth, or at least more truth than we have right now.

each day the little laurean girl gets a little older, and she and the lauterbachs deserve honesty in all of this. i wish christina would consider that child in all of her decisions...but it doesn't seem that she is.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Thanks for the interesting discussion this morning MW5 and Cardinal, but I have to go get trampled at the grocery store now.:laugh::seeya:

I've gotten some food for thought.

you too...i'm going to get some work done and patiently wait for a comment from either side...there is bound to be something in the next 24 hours.

[gaelicpeas]

That was an interesting article, Snazzy.

So, does anyone know what time he appears in court tomorrow?

[AlohaRainbow]

*snipped to address*
i wish i knew what led maria there that day.

jmo
me too
also, i'd like to know why maria was planning to travel to el Paso.

[sunstar]

i hope you're prepared for several IS posters to bunk down with you!!! i like my eggs over easy, please:wink:

i think the defense will prefer to keep things in onslow, but then again, cesar went right by my house on his way to mexico and i didn't nab him, so what do i know :huh:

jmo

You all are most welcome to come down! :biggrin: I really don't think it would make much difference which county the jurors came from. MOO

[sunstar]

I will bet a bushel of avocados that Christina won't testify against her husband. if she gets on that stand and starts to answer questions about her conversations with her husband pertaining to the case, that opens the door for Mr. McNeil to question her about same. and remember, christina was not a willing participant with the DA and LE questioning.

jmo

I don't think she will testify against him either, especially since she even went to visit him in Mexico. I remember also that the DA was worried about her "cooperation" when she did that. MOO

[Kel65]

me too
also, i'd like to know why maria was planning to travel to el Paso.

Perhaps Gabriel's bio dad is the El Paso connection. Maybe a Marine who had recently separated from the USMC and returned to his home of record?

[marinewife5]

That was an interesting article, Snazzy.

So, does anyone know what time he appears in court tomorrow?

from what i gather from this story, shortly after noon.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63684___article.html/onslow_county.html?orderby=TimeStampDescending&showRecommendedOnly=0&oncommentsPage=1#slComments

[KittyMom]

IIRC, the ME tested Maria's baby to determine the sex and age. The Military Investigators tested for paternal DNA due to the ongoing rape charge. Also, what I remember is that Christina allowed DNA from her child to be compared to the DNA of Maria's unborn baby to determine if Laurent was the father.

I really think that Christina is involved with the coverup if not the murder of Maria and child. The timeline is just too tight for her not to have known what went on in that home.

[Tokyo Rose]

From Snazzy's link:

"But unlike American prisons, prisoners in Mexico are often given an extraordinary amount of freedom within the walls. Children come to visit their fathers, wives and girlfriends can sometimes stay overnight for conjugal visits, and prisoner-run taco stands and concessions are common. In some ways, the inside of a Mexican jail is similar to a small village -- "helping reduce tensions in the prison and easing transition to the outside," according to the Human Rights Watch report."

If seems Cesar must have been happy in the Mexican jail. Christina has just come back from leave which included another trip to Mexico.

I hope she didn't take her child with her.

I had read where the defense attorney didn't care for her first trip there either. Maybe worried, at the time, what she would testify to, or if she could sneak a tape recorder in there. I wonder if she has been in touch with the defense attorney at all.

[Cardinal]

Perhaps Gabriel's bio dad is the El Paso connection. Maybe a Marine who had recently separated from the USMC and returned to his home of record?

I had the same thought. I think she may have been planning to go to him to have the baby, with no pressure about adoption.

[Cardinal]

From Snazzy's link:

"But unlike American prisons, prisoners in Mexico are often given an extraordinary amount of freedom within the walls. Children come to visit their fathers, wives and girlfriends can sometimes stay overnight for conjugal visits, and prisoner-run taco stands and concessions are common. In some ways, the inside of a Mexican jail is similar to a small village -- "helping reduce tensions in the prison and easing transition to the outside," according to the Human Rights Watch report."

If seems Cesar must have been happy in the Mexican jail. Christina has just come back from leave which included another trip to Mexico.

I hope she didn't take her child with her.

I had read where the defense attorney didn't care for her first trip there either. Maybe worried at the time what she would testify to or if she could sneak a tape recorder in there.

Maybe they aren't as strict in "small village" jails about recording devices?

[marinewife5]

From Snazzy's link:

"But unlike American prisons, prisoners in Mexico are often given an extraordinary amount of freedom within the walls. Children come to visit their fathers, wives and girlfriends can sometimes stay overnight for conjugal visits, and prisoner-run taco stands and concessions are common. In some ways, the inside of a Mexican jail is similar to a small village -- "helping reduce tensions in the prison and easing transition to the outside," according to the Human Rights Watch report."

If seems Cesar must have been happy in the Mexican jail. Christina has just come back from leave which included another trip to Mexico.

I hope she didn't take her child with her.

I had read where the defense attorney didn't care for her first trip there either. Maybe worried at the time what she would testify to or if she could sneak a tape recorder in there.


bolding mine

that never occurred to me...that would be awful!

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

From MW5's link:

"Laurean's wife, Christina Laurean, who just returned from a period of leave from the Marine Corps, which included a trip to Mexico, declined to comment on her husband's return."


Geez

[gaelicpeas]

from what i gather from this story, shortly after noon.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63684___article.html/onslow_county.html?orderby=TimeStampDescending&showRecommendedOnly=0&oncommentsPage=1#slCommentsThanks, mw5!

[Tokyo Rose]

Maybe they aren't as strict in "small village" jails about recording devices?

There seems to be a lot of corruption there and the guards are few and underpaid according to that article. I'll try to find what I read about the defense attorney.

[Tokyo Rose]

Here it is. An old link I put up on another thread:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3906309/

Cesar Laurean's U.S. attorney, Dick McNeil, said Christina Laurean's visit also could present problems for his case.

"I'm concerned about any kind of potential recordings (of conversations between the Laureans). I'm not saying they do that down there, but that's something that's not done here in America," McNeil said. "At the same time, I have talked to my client, and he's very eager to see his wife. I'm sure he's very happy that she's down there."

[sunstar]

Perhaps Gabriel's bio dad is the El Paso connection. Maybe a Marine who had recently separated from the USMC and returned to his home of record?

I've completely forgotten, but was it ever released what the outcome of the DNA tests were ~ is CL the baby's father or not? :confused:

[AlohaRainbow]

Perhaps Gabriel's bio dad is the El Paso connection. Maybe a Marine who had recently separated from the USMC and returned to his home of record?
that possibility has moved up on the charts, imo, since we learned that cesar wasn't the father. (how curious that the media nonchalantly dropped that little dna 'fact' on us, as if it had been reported before!)

[Cardinal]

Here it is. An old link I put up on another thread:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3906309/

Cesar Laurean's U.S. attorney, Dick McNeil, said Christina Laurean's visit also could present problems for his case.

"I'm concerned about any kind of potential recordings (of conversations between the Laureans). I'm not saying they do that down there, but that's something that's not done here in America," McNeil said. "At the same time, I have talked to my client, and he's very eager to see his wife. I'm sure he's very happy that she's down there."


Interesting - thanks for the link. I wonder how happy Christina was to see Cesar?

[sunstar]

that possibility has moved up on the charts, imo, since we learned that cesar wasn't the father. (how curious that the media nonchalantly dropped that little dna 'fact' on us, as if it had been reported before!)

Maybe that's why I totally forgot about it. Now I wonder if Cesar knew the baby wasn't his?

[AlohaRainbow]

from what i gather from this story, shortly after noon.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63684___article.html/onslow_county.html?orderby=TimeStampDescending&showRecommendedOnly=0&oncommentsPage=1#slComments
thanks for the link :)

i sure hope the judge won't approve of any pre-trial release!
from your link:
During Laurean's first appearance, a district court judge will explain his right against self-incrimination; ensure his right to legal counsel; review the charges against him; ensure Laurean or his attorney has been furnished a copy of the charges; and determine his eligibility for pre-trial release.

the article also answers a question i had - whether christina was still in the marine corps

[Cardinal]

Maybe that's why I totally forgot about it. Now I wonder if Cesar knew the baby wasn't his?

That's one of the big questions, I think.

[marinewife5]

Here it is. An old link I put up on another thread:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3906309/

Cesar Laurean's U.S. attorney, Dick McNeil, said Christina Laurean's visit also could present problems for his case.

"I'm concerned about any kind of potential recordings (of conversations between the Laureans). I'm not saying they do that down there, but that's something that's not done here in America," McNeil said. "At the same time, I have talked to my client, and he's very eager to see his wife. I'm sure he's very happy that she's down there."


I hate to tell mr mcneil, but jails here in america do indeed record conversations...just read up on the casey anthony case. unless he is referring to marital priviledge.

jmo

[marinewife5]

thanks for the link :)

i sure hope the judge won't approve of any pre-trial release!
from your link:
During Laurean's first appearance, a district court judge will explain his right against self-incrimination; ensure his right to legal counsel; review the charges against him; ensure Laurean or his attorney has been furnished a copy of the charges; and determine his eligibility for pre-trial release.

the article also answers a question i had - whether christina was still in the marine corps


i think cesar is the very definition of flight risk...jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Interesting - thanks for the link. I wonder how happy Christina was to see Cesar?

Could she believe Cesar that he never had sex with Christina after the DNA test results came out and the baby wasn't his? IIRC he had been telling her all along he never had sex with Maria and the baby wasn't his.
He had been telling her Maria was lying.

jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

Maybe that's why I totally forgot about it. Now I wonder if Cesar knew the baby wasn't his?
very good question!
hope we get an answer to that question, and to many others :)

i'm really curious what defense cesar will put forth

any one have any idea, based on how things move in nc, how long it will be before this case comes to trial??

[AlohaRainbow]

i think cesar is the very definition of flight risk...jmo
ita - and that's an understatement!

[marinewife5]

Could she believe Cesar that he never had sex with Christina after the DNA test results came out and the baby wasn't his? IIRC he had been telling her all along he never had sex with Maria and the baby wasn't his.
He had been telling her Maria was lying.

jmo


i do think she would believe him when the dna didn't match. but regardless of my opinion of the truth behind the rape claim, i seriously doubt maria would accuse him if they had never had sexual relations. and i also doubt maria was his first indiscretion, nor his last.

jmo

[sunstar]

That's one of the big questions, I think.

It sure is a big question for me. It would take away part of a motive for him killing her, but at the same time, if she'd been leading him on that he was the father then just told him the truth that day, I could see him flying into a rage. :shrug: MOO

[Tokyo Rose]

It sure is a big question for me. It would take away part of a motive for him killing her, but at the same time, if she'd been leading him on that he was the father then just told him the truth that day, I could see him flying into a rage. :shrug: MOO

I don't think she was telling him it was his baby since she told the military investigators it wasn't Cesar's baby IIRC.

The DNA testing wasn't done until after the murder so he could have been worried the baby was his when he killed her.

jmo

[Cardinal]

It sure is a big question for me. It would take away part of a motive for him killing her, but at the same time, if she'd been leading him on that he was the father then just told him the truth that day, I could see him flying into a rage. :shrug: MOO

True. And I could see Christina flying into a rage too.

[sunstar]

very good question!
hope we get an answer to that question, and to many others :)

i'm really curious what defense cesar will put forth

any one have any idea, based on how things move in nc, how long it will be before this case comes to trial??

I'm very curious about the defense too. Maybe we'll have a better idea when the trial might be after tomorrow's court appearance? :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

True. And I could see Christina flying into a rage too.

Yes, definitely! MOO

[Tokyo Rose]

I think perhaps Cesar did force himself on Maria. I think he felt it was consensual when to her it wasn't. I think when he did it more than once she reported it.

I think he was obsessed with her. He said he loved her when he was caught, remember.

I think maybe he went into a rage when she told him she was leaving to go to El Paso to be with another man. He felt she ruined his life, his reputation, and almost his marriage and never cared for him at all. Now she was taking his baby away from him too. She probably screamed at him he makes her sick. I know I would have been yelling very nasty things because of what he did to me.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

very good question!
hope we get an answer to that question, and to many others :)

i'm really curious what defense cesar will put forth

any one have any idea, based on how things move in nc, how long it will be before this case comes to trial??

I think he might claim the murder was accidental. He pushed her or struck her and she fell over the boxes in the garage and struck her head.
A heat of the moment domestic like killing with no intent.

Maybe trying to get parole after 25 or 30 years?

[Tokyo Rose]

The only thing I still find very disturbing is the fact Maria had no clothes on from the waist down when found. Did he forcefully rape her this time while beating her head in?

[Cardinal]

I think he might claim the murder was accidental. He pushed her or struck her and she fell over the boxes in the garage and struck her head.
A heat of the moment domestic like killing with no intent.

Maybe trying to get parole after 25 or 30 years?

Now that's a possibility, for either Cesar or Christina, I think. And wouldn't it be ironic if that's really what happened?

[marinewife5]

Now that's a possibility, for either Cesar or Christina, I think. And wouldn't it be ironic if that's really what happened?

i can see that happening...but i'm sure it won't wash...why the post mortem knife wound? why burn the body?

jmo

[marinewife5]

The only thing I still find very disturbing is the fact Maria had no clothes on from the waist down when found. Did he forcefully rape her this time while beating her head in?

i think it is more likely that someone thought the baby was coming and that's why the clothes were removed. or, and i think this is a long shot, and there would be no forensic evidence as the body was burned, someone did something to mutilate her private parts, most likely after she was already dead. i know that's out there, but it just popped into my head.

jmo

[Cardinal]

i can see that happening...but i'm sure it won't wash...why the post mortem knife wound? why burn the body?

jmo

Why withdraw money from her bank account? Because they're both lowlifes? I don't know. Maybe the neck wound resulted from something she fell against.

OMG, I hope Cesar's attorney doesn't read here. :ohmy:

[Cardinal]

i think it is more likely that someone thought the baby was coming and that's why the clothes were removed. or, and i think this is a long shot, and there would be no forensic evidence as the body was burned, someone did something to mutilate her private parts, most likely after she was already dead. i know that's out there, but it just popped into my head.

jmo

It's been a long time. Could they tell that the clothes were removed? Is it possible they burned away?

[marinewife5]

It's been a long time. Could they tell that the clothes were removed? Is it possible they burned away?

I don't think we ever got to the bottom of that one. no remnants were found, but we have no idea of the intensity of the fire. cesar's best bet is to just tell the truth, but i don't see that happening.

jmo

[Cardinal]

I don't think we ever got to the bottom of that one. no remnants were found, but we have no idea of the intensity of the fire. cesar's best bet is to just tell the truth, but i don't see that happening.

jmo

I don't either. He's had a LOT of time to think about it. So has Christina. Do you think for a minute they didn't spend their conjugal time together getting their story straight?

[Tokyo Rose]

i think it is more likely that someone thought the baby was coming and that's why the clothes were removed. or, and i think this is a long shot, and there would be no forensic evidence as the body was burned, someone did something to mutilate her private parts, most likely after she was already dead. i know that's out there, but it just popped into my head.

jmo

There would be no forensic evidence of a rape either because of the burns. That's why he wasn't charged with that if it happened. I still don't believe Christina was there when he murdered her. There would have been forensic evidence of her being there and on Christina's body somewhere, and she would have been charged.

jmo

[Cardinal]

There would be no forensic evidence of a rape either because of the burns. That's why he wasn't charged with that if it happened. I still don't believe Christina was there when he murdered her. There would have been forensic evidence of her being there and on Christina's body somewhere, and she would have been charged.

jmo

For her daughter's sake, I hope you're right about Christina. But any forensic evidence could have burned away. I'm still not ruling her out.

[Tokyo Rose]

It's been a long time. Could they tell that the clothes were removed? Is it possible they burned away?

The autopsy diagram showed the area of burns from the waist down. Parts of her were not burned so the clothes could not have burned away.
She had no panties on either. Her clothes were not found. They were not in the pit either.

[marinewife5]

There would be no forensic evidence of a rape either because of the burns. That's why he wasn't charged with that if it happened. I still don't believe Christina was there when he murdered her. There would have been forensic evidence of her being there and on Christina's body somewhere, and she would have been charged.

jmo

i don't recall christina's body being checked for forensic evidence. and she lived there so of course there was forensic evidence of her being there. i also do not know if there is any forensic evidence specific to cesar. as far as the initial rape allegation, i believe we all believe what we believe, and now that he is back, there is no point debating it...i don't see any of us changing each others minds on it. i'm certain that the mc would give anything they had regarding that situation as needed for the upcoming trial.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

For her daughter's sake, I hope you're right about Christina. But any forensic evidence could have burned away. I'm still not ruling her out.

I'm wondering what kind of mother she will be if she can't let go of Cesar. That won't be good for the child. I agree with MW5. She should start considering her daughter's welfare over that monster's. It's time for her to walk away from him and do the right thing and testify. As far as I'm concerned her mental health is in the toilet thanks to Cesar.
jmo

[Cardinal]

i don't recall christina's body being checked for forensic evidence. and she lived there so of course there was forensic evidence of her being there. i also do not know if there is any forensic evidence specific to cesar. as far as the initial rape allegation, i believe we all believe what we believe, and now that he is back, there is no point debating it...i don't see any of us changing each others minds on it. i'm certain that the mc would give anything they had regarding that situation as needed for the upcoming trial.

jmo

The good news is, he's back, and the legal system can start to work. And Maria's family, can - maybe - get some closure.

[Tokyo Rose]

For her daughter's sake, I hope you're right about Christina. But any forensic evidence could have burned away. I'm still not ruling her out.

I'm sorry, I meant Maria's body. There would have been evidence on Maria's body from Christina.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I think it's time a picture of Christina is released. Maybe someone will get her coming and going from the jail. I don't understand why no one will publish that woman's picture.

[marinewife5]

I'm sorry, I meant Maria's body. There would have been evidence on Maria's body from Christina.

jmo

but was there any from cesar?

[sunstar]

I don't think we ever got to the bottom of that one. no remnants were found, but we have no idea of the intensity of the fire. cesar's best bet is to just tell the truth, but i don't see that happening.

jmo

I seem to remember she was still clothed on the top half of her body, or at least not as badly burned. It could just be where the heat was the most intense. And wasn't it some type of firepit where he used part of the fence, placed over her and set fire to that? So sickening to even remember all the details. :crying:

[marinewife5]

I think it's time a picture of Christina is released. Maybe someone will get her coming and going from the jail. I don't understand why no one will publish that woman's picture.

one was shown on dateline...is it still in the links?

i think we'll start seeing plenty of pics of her...

jmo

[sunstar]

one was shown on dateline...is it still in the links?

i think we'll start seeing plenty of pics of her...

jmo

I remember one but her face is blurred out.

[marinewife5]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25011671/

click on the video titled "earthwide manhunt for marine" and the picture of christina is about 1 mintue 15 seconds in.

[marinewife5]

I remember one but her face is blurred out.

this one is clear as day.

[sunstar]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25011671/

click on the video titled "earthwide manhunt for marine" and the picture of christina is about 1 mintue 15 seconds in.

thanks so much! :smile:

[sunstar]

this one is clear as day.

I just wanted to add that the entire video is good for a memory refresh on the case!

[Tokyo Rose]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25011671/

click on the video titled "earthwide manhunt for marine" and the picture of christina is about 1 mintue 15 seconds in.

Thanks, this is an excellent link. I see Christina helped to track him down. I wonder how he felt about that?

[marinewife5]

I just saw McNeil and Hudson on Geraldo...nothing really new...Hudson said there are more facts that haven't been released and the place for that will be a court of law. McNeil is looking to have discovery to him by this week. Both seemed very neutral, and uncomfortable about being together. Geraldo quickly ended the segment when McNeil started to say many people are charged with a crime but not necessarily guilty and Geraldo said the body was found in his yard and they cut to commercial.

I will say JMO as I have no link, and i am a horrible transcriber.

JMO

[marinewife5]

Thanks, this is an excellent link. I see Christina helped to track him down. I wonder how he felt about that?

i don't think either was too thrilled about it. i doubt it was part of any plan they may have had.

jmo

[Unperson1984]

In the AP story it said that CL wasn't the baby's father, when was that information released? Was the father ever identified?

Thank goodness the slow wheels of justice have finally turned.

[Tokyo Rose]

i don't think either was too thrilled about it. i doubt it was part of any plan they may have had.

jmo

I agree. She was caught communicating with him and basically had no choice.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I just saw McNeil and Hudson on Geraldo...nothing really new...Hudson said there are more facts that haven't been released and the place for that will be a court of law. McNeil is looking to have discovery to him by this week. Both seemed very neutral, and uncomfortable about being together. Geraldo quickly ended the segment when McNeil started to say many people are charged with a crime but not necessarily guilty and Geraldo said the body was found in his yard and they cut to commercial.

I will say JMO as I have no link, and i am a horrible transcriber.

JMO

I turned to Geraldo last night thinking something might be on and promptly fell asleep. Glad to hear I didn't miss much. I will be glued to the TV today hoping to see something about the arraignment.

[Tokyo Rose]

In the AP story it said that CL wasn't the baby's father, when was that information released? Was the father ever identified?

Thank goodness the slow wheels of justice have finally turned.

It was just dropped on all of us from various media as if it were a well known fact. It is unknown when or how the information was originally released. It was a shocker to say the least. Nothing has been released about the bio father if he is even known.

[Tokyo Rose]

Having been involved with another case in NC, I have found them to be the most secretive state as I have ever seen. They seem to have cameras in the courtroom for hearings and may have one there for the arraignment, but I will be surprised if a camera is in there for the trial.

Even when a case is closed no files are released. It truly is maddening.

jmo

[marinewife5]

I turned to Geraldo last night thinking something might be on and promptly fell asleep. Glad to hear I didn't miss much. I will be glued to the TV today hoping to see something about the arraignment.

i dont' think the arraignment will give us any new info. he will plead not guilty, be remanded, and that's about it. it will still be nice to see after all this time :wink:

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I want to hear his official charges now to see if anything has changed. The military is not charging him with anything and the Feds have dropped the flight to avoid prosecution so the state will have all the charges and the trial. He won't be tried federally for anything.

His charges will be read to him at arraignment.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

i dont' think the arraignment will give us any new info. he will plead not guilty, be remanded, and that's about it. it will still be nice to see after all this time :wink:

jmo

Yep that's about all that's happening today, outside of Dewey giving a presser after the arraignment. The judge may or may not allow the tv cameras in for his arraignment, but you can bet that LK will be there with his trusty camera to catch CAL in his orange jumpsuit. The judge didn't when George Hayden and Vickie Babbitt (our other high profile case) were brought in for their arraignments (you know the ones who are accused of killing Bill Miller 30 years ago).

You did a pretty good job of transcribing what was said on Geraldo last night. And you're right, not much was said outside of Dewey's "absolutely", lol. Did you hear the last question that Geraldo asked about whether there was any evidence that might mitigate or exculpate CAL?

jmo

[nuttintodo]

I want to hear his official charges now to see if anything has changed. The military is not charging him with anything and the Feds have dropped the flight to avoid prosecution so the state will have all the charges and the trial. He won't be tried federally for anything.

His charges will be read to him at arraignment.

jmo

You might get your wish. WRAL and WITN plan on carrying it live (they are the only ones so far) but that could change.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Yep that's about all that's happening today, outside of Dewey giving a presser after the arraignment. The judge may or may not allow the tv cameras in for his arraignment, but you can bet that LK will be there with his trusty camera to catch CAL in his orange jumpsuit. The judge didn't when George Hayden and Vickie Babbitt (our other high profile case) were brought in for their arraignments (you know the ones who are accused of killing Bill Miller 30 years ago).

You did a pretty good job of transcribing what was said on Geraldo last night. And you're right, not much was said outside of Dewey's "absolutely", lol. Did you hear the last question that Geraldo asked about whether there was any evidence that might mitigate or exculpate CAL?

jmo

i did hear that question, and dewey said something about him being charged but not convicted and when dick started to say something similar, geraldo cut him off and said something to the effect of 'well the body was found in his yard'. dick and dewey both would be wise to not give geraldo any more interviews. the very next segment involved geraldo thinking that casey anthony shouldn't get the dp because she's a girl...

jmo

[nuttintodo]

i did hear that question, and dewey said something about him being charged but not convicted and when dick started to say something similar, geraldo cut him off and said something to the effect of 'well the body was found in his yard'. dick and dewey both would be wise to not give geraldo any more interviews. the very next segment involved geraldo thinking that casey anthony shouldn't get the dp because she's a girl...

jmo

IA with you about Geraldo.

Both are going to have their share of "face time" before all is said and done. You know Dewey loves his...

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

i did hear that question, and dewey said something about him being charged but not convicted and when dick started to say something similar, geraldo cut him off and said something to the effect of 'well the body was found in his yard'. dick and dewey both would be wise to not give geraldo any more interviews. the very next segment involved geraldo thinking that casey anthony shouldn't get the dp because she's a girl...

jmo

That's because Geraldo and Casey's attorney are BFF's.

:wink:

Is this going to be shown online, does anybody know?

Is Wanda there?

(I just want the important questions answered!)

[nuttintodo]

That's because Geraldo and Casey's attorney are BFF's.

:wink:

Is this going to be shown online, does anybody know? Both WRAL and WITN say there are carrying it live

Is Wanda there? snickers

(I just want the important questions answered!)


(I put your answers in bold)

Got any rugs? :wink:

[bkwits]

WHOOO HOOO WE'RE BACK



Hello everyone. I was surprised to find that Laurean is not the father of Maria's baby. Could that be a motive?

Good to "see" you all. :w00t: