NC DA: Accused Marine to Return to US From Mexico

[nuttintodo]

Laurean served with search warrant for his DNA...

http://www.jdnews.com/news/warrant_63728___article.html/dna_investigators.html


"According to a source close to the investigation, a search warrant for a DNA sample was served this morning on Cesar Laurean"

[nuttintodo]

He's already made his appearance. It was short. Next court date is 5/18/09.

As soon as the link is available I'll post it.

Also after his appearance the camera went to the back of the courtroom and it appeared that his mother and sister were present.

jmo

[Kel65]

He's already made his appearance. It was short. Next court date is 5/18/09.

As soon as the link is available I'll post it.

Also after his appearance the camera went to the back of the courtroom and it appeared that his mother and sister were present.

jmo

I was wondering if that might be his mother and sister too.

[gaelicpeas]

Where are you seeing his court appearance? I don't see anything on WRAL or WITN.

[Kel65]

Where are you seeing his court appearance? I don't see anything on WRAL or WITN.

I believe I caught it live on WRAL. Now waiting for the video to post. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I believe I caught it live on WRAL. Now waiting for the video to post. JMO
Okay, thanks!

[crymeariver2006]

Where are you seeing his court appearance? I don't see anything on WRAL or WITN.

Apparently we blinked and missed it!

I just heard on Fox that it had already taken place and they were supposed to "bring us up to date"....but they didn't.

Thanks for all the updates!

[Kel65]

Apparently we blinked and missed it!

I just heard on Fox that it had already taken place and they were supposed to "bring us up to date"....but they didn't.

Thanks for all the updates!

It started before noon and it was very short.

[nuttintodo]

Where are you seeing his court appearance? I don't see anything on WRAL or WITN.

The appearance was carried live on WRAL and it happened so quick that I almost missed it. They haven't put the link up, but it should be available later on.

Judge Hardison read the charges against him and said CAL was to be held w/o bail until his trial.

[gaelicpeas]

Apparently we blinked and missed it!

I just heard on Fox that it had already taken place and they were supposed to "bring us up to date"....but they didn't.

Thanks for all the updates!lol, yes, we apparently missed it!

[Calla]

Apparently we blinked and missed it!

I just heard on Fox that it had already taken place and they were supposed to "bring us up to date"....but they didn't.

Thanks for all the updates!

I saw it on WITN news @ noon. Very short. Appears he is eating well.

Waiting for link to be posted so I can look closer at who is in the court room.

Press conference underway now!

[Tokyo Rose]

OMG We're missing everything.:mad:

[sunstar]

He's already made his appearance. It was short. Next court date is 5/18/09.

As soon as the link is available I'll post it.

Also after his appearance the camera went to the back of the courtroom and it appeared that his mother and sister were present.

jmo

Hi nuttin! :smile: thanks for the update ~ I'm supposed to be working but just had to check in to see what had happened. What's the next court date for? Was he arraigned today?

[gaelicpeas]

OMG We're missing everything.:mad:I know! I don't see anything, except possibly WRAL, but it says I need to update my media player, and then when I tried to do that, it said an administrator needs to do it.

grrrrrr.....

[Kel65]

Hi nuttin! :smile: thanks for the update ~ I'm supposed to be working but just had to check in to see what had happened. What's the next court date for? Was he arraigned today?


http://www.wral.com/news/video/4987466/

Link for Press Conference.

[sunstar]

http://www.wral.com/news/video/4987466/

Link for Press Conference.

thanks so much, but please tell me what they're saying ~ no audio on work computer! :sad:

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.wral.com/news/video/4987466/

Link for Press Conference.lol, thanks... I still get that same message (which is weird, because I see their weather video just fine).

So, what are they saying in the press conference?

[Kel65]

thanks so much, but please tell me what they're saying ~ no audio on work computer! :sad:

WRAL always has lousy sound on live coverage. At least that has been my experience. You are not the only one having problems hearing it.

[Calla]

He wore bullet proof vest to court ?? or so I thought I heard

:confused:

[sunstar]

He wore bullet proof vest to court ?? or so I thought I heard

:confused:

It wouldn't be surprising. He's an accused baby killer. MOO

[Tokyo Rose]

I can't get the video, only their weather forecast!!! I'm so upset I'm crying, somebody HUG me!!!

[nuttintodo]

He wore bullet proof vest to court ?? or so I thought I heard

:confused:

Ed said as far as he was concerned CAL wouldn't wear a bulletproof vest. :ohmy:

McNeil---COV in the offing.

[gaelicpeas]

Okay, now I am really confused. According to this article, they served a search warrant for Cesar's DNA this morning. I thought it was shown already that he was not the father?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/warrant_63728___article.html/dna_investigators.html

I am wondering if maybe one news outlet got the paternity wrong, and everybody else ran with it....

[gaelicpeas]

I can't get the video, only their weather forecast!!! I'm so upset I'm crying, somebody HUG me!!!
lol - same here as far as getting their weather!

[Calla]

I can't get the video, only their weather forecast!!!

I am sure it will be posted at some point.

Lawyer confirming Christina saw him and and lawyer concerned about getting a fair trial in that area.

Sheriff wants to see him at some point so he can "see my face" and know what the Sheriff looks like:wink:

WITN will be posting the news conf and court appearance on their site

[gaelicpeas]

Ed said as far as he was concerned CAL wouldn't wear a bulletproof vest. :ohmy:

McNeil---COV in the offing.Oh my, I can't believe Sheriff Ed said that!

[n/t]

In the AP story it said that CL wasn't the baby's father, when was that information released? Was the father ever identified?

Thank goodness the slow wheels of justice have finally turned.


Wow...I missed that too.

[sunstar]

Okay, now I am really confused. According to this article, they served a search warrant for Cesar's DNA this morning. I thought it was shown already that he was not the father?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/warrant_63728___article.html/dna_investigators.html

I am wondering if maybe one news outlet got the paternity wrong, and everybody else ran with it....
I'm just going by memory but I recall they'd used DNA profile from his military records because he had fled to Mexico. Now is the first opportunity for LE to get another DNA sample. :shrug: MOO

[Kel65]

Okay, now I am really confused. According to this article, they served a search warrant for Cesar's DNA this morning. I thought it was shown already that he was not the father?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/warrant_63728___article.html/dna_investigators.html

I am wondering if maybe one news outlet got the paternity wrong, and everybody else ran with it....


I don't think the DNA is for the paternity issue. JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

Okay, now I am really confused. According to this article, they served a search warrant for Cesar's DNA this morning. I thought it was shown already that he was not the father?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/warrant_63728___article.html/dna_investigators.html

I am wondering if maybe one news outlet got the paternity wrong, and everybody else ran with it....

I know, we probably still don't know the truth!

[Kel65]

I know, we probably still don't know the truth!


It is probably to CYA and to use for DNA found at the crime scene. JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

Ed said as far as he was concerned CAL wouldn't wear a bulletproof vest. :ohmy:

McNeil---COV in the offing.

Nuttin, have you found any links??

[Calla]

ALL JMO but like I said before I am looking forward to the book because I think there are a lot of pieces to this story that will blow some minds.

Still doesn't changed the facts of the murder but going to be quite interesting I do believe

[gaelicpeas]

It is probably to CYA and to use for DNA found at the crime scene. JMOYou could be right...

[gaelicpeas]

I am sure it will be posted at some point.

Lawyer confirming Christina saw him and and lawyer concerned about getting a fair trial in that area.

Sheriff wants to see him at some point so he can "see my face" and know what the Sheriff looks like:wink:

WITN will be posting the news conf and court appearance on their siteThanks, Calla!

[Calla]

Thanks, Calla!

YW :smile:

[nuttintodo]

Nuttin, have you found any links??

Just this one: http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/4985143/ for his court appearance.

(I watched the presser on the local tv station and they have no link up yet)

[Unperson1984]

It is probably to CYA and to use for DNA found at the crime scene. JMO


The crime scene was his home so his DNA would be everywhere. Likely LE wants a clean sample.

:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Just this one: http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/4985143/ for his court appearance.

(I watched the presser on the local tv station and they have no link up yet)Yay, that worked! Thanks, Nuttin!

[Tokyo Rose]

Just this one: http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/4985143/ for his court appearance.

(I watched the presser on the local tv station and they have no link up yet)

Thanks, will you post the link to the presser when it is up? I just saw a snippet on Fox of him walking into the hearing. He sure hasn't missed any meals. I could see he was wearing a bullet proof vest. I could see the outline of it under his orange jump suit.

[Kel65]

Yay, that worked! Thanks, Nuttin!


They cut out the part of the hispanic looking women in the back of the court room.

[Calla]

I'm still leaning toward the deep dark game that was being played all around.

If he raped her, why didn't they pursue it quicker?

If it wasn't his baby..who's was it...and why was he involved?

Why was she running ..after all of that length of time?



The murder still remains and the facts of it cannot be undone.

[gaelicpeas]

They cut out the part of the hispanic looking women in the back of the court room.I think that was the shortest court appearance ever!

Back to work - thanks to everyone for the updates...

[nuttintodo]

Link to the presser compliments of WITN:

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/43064107.html# (click on news conference)

Now it says the video is unavailable. :confused:

[Tokyo Rose]

Link to the presser compliments of WITN:

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/43064107.html# (click on news conference)

Now it says the video is unavailable. :confused:

Thanks Nuttin, it may be back up later or we will find it somewhere else later. I'm afraid we'll be waiting a long time for this trial what with NC's case management in place of speedy.

[nuttintodo]

Thanks Nuttin, it may be back up later or we will find it somewhere else later. I'm afraid we'll be waiting a long time for this trial what with NC's case management in place of speedy.

I hope the video is working later so that everyone can see.

In Onslow County it averages out to about two years to go to trial on felony charges (but that's not to say the wait is longer in some cases). At least we aren't as bad as say Durham County.

I can honestly say that Ed Brown did make McNeil's motion for COV a definite possibility today with his remarks.

jmo

[aproudmom]

You are so right! I was thinking the other day we all were into this so deep and now I have trouble recalling all the details. I agree, no way does Christinia not be involved. Unless she was deaf, dumb and blind she would have known something was wrong. Do you think Christina killed her or was involved in the killing, or just covered it up?

Glad to see this being on here been awhile since this had coverage and I do believe Christina knew something not so sure she played apart in the murder..perhaps cover up jmo

[nuttintodo]

Okay WRAL has the presser up.

Direct link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/4988366/

If that doesn't work then go here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4985143/ and click on authorities discuss Laurean case.

[aproudmom]

I was not on here when this happened but I am a news junky and it was the sadest thing to see them removing her from the back yard along with her unborn child..I will never forget that and then to hear they had bond fires over her body made me so sick to my stomach..I Pray she finally gets Justice and her unborn child who never had the chance to take the first breathe..jmo..

Glad to see this is on here and being talked about seems these crimes are on the news day after day and then all of a sudden you hear nothing and always wonder what has happened..I think the last time I heard anything was when he was caught in Mexico..so I look forward in seeing justice in this case...now I got to go read up since it has been some time..do remember alot though..

[Tokyo Rose]

Okay WRAL has the presser up.

Direct link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/4988366/

If that doesn't work then go here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4985143/ and click on authorities discuss Laurean case.


Fabulous, we finally have it. Both links are working for me. Thanks.

[aproudmom]

Okay WRAL has the presser up.

Direct link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/4988366/

If that doesn't work then go here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4985143/ and click on authorities discuss Laurean case.

thank you so much..got to get updated on this case it was one I followed for along time..

[aproudmom]

Okay WRAL has the presser up.

Direct link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/4988366/

If that doesn't work then go here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4985143/ and click on authorities discuss Laurean case.

May 18th next court app. no bond..one question he is being charged with 1 count on murder why not 2 do they not have the law if you kill someone who is preg there??

[aproudmom]

Okay WRAL has the presser up.

Direct link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/4988366/

If that doesn't work then go here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4985143/ and click on authorities discuss Laurean case.

never mind I see they do not have that law there for a unborn child..:angry:

[Tokyo Rose]

Funny thing, I've noticed both attorneys wearing almost identical ties with the stripes running in opposite directions.:unsure:

[Marcia3]

ITA that CAL sure hasn't missed many meals (or snacks perhaps). Although, IIRC, he didn't eat much while he was on the run, so maybe he tried to make up for it when he went to jail.

This has been a long, hard road so far for those who love Maria and Gabriel.

I can't stop wondering, if CAL is not the bio dad, who is? And where is he?

[aproudmom]

wow a year or more for the trial...

[Calla]

ITA that CAL sure hasn't missed many meals (or snacks perhaps). Although, IIRC, he didn't eat much while he was on the run, so maybe he tried to make up for it when he went to jail.

This has been a long, hard road so far for those who love Maria and Gabriel.

I can't stop wondering, if CAL is not the bio dad, who is? And where is he?

And why was CAL being blamed or taking blame if that is the case?

And why was it important to him not to have a military trial?


I still think maybe there is that chance that Maria told mom about the "rape", because of her religious upbringing... when it could have been the result of something else.

Nevertheless, we all agree that this was and will be a hard road for her family. No matter what the truth turns out to be...my heart goes out to them.

[marinewife5]

I hope the video is working later so that everyone can see.

In Onslow County it averages out to about two years to go to trial on felony charges (but that's not to say the wait is longer in some cases). At least we aren't as bad as say Durham County.

I can honestly say that Ed Brown did make McNeil's motion for COV a definite possibility today with his remarks.

jmo

and heaven only knows how the defense will use such a remark at trial. what has gotten in to ed???

jmo

[aproudmom]

ITA that CAL sure hasn't missed many meals (or snacks perhaps). Although, IIRC, he didn't eat much while he was on the run, so maybe he tried to make up for it when he went to jail.

This has been a long, hard road so far for those who love Maria and Gabriel.

I can't stop wondering, if CAL is not the bio dad, who is? And where is he?

I do remember them saying he was not eating much when he was on the run..so did they find out for sure he is not the father? see I had not heard that..

[nuttintodo]

(snipped)..so did they find out for sure he is not the father? see I had not heard that..


Don't know when they found out. Last week was the first time CAL not being the father was put out there and the media dropped it like it was common knowledge to everyone.


jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

and heaven only knows how the defense will use such a remark at trial. what has gotten in to ed???

jmo

It won't be ole Ed's decision anyway. It will be the DA's and he was non committal. Ed talks to much. I wonder where his spokesman, Rick, was today?

jmo

[marinewife5]

It won't be ole Ed's decision anyway. It will be the DA's and he was non committal. Ed talks to much. I wonder where his spokesman, Rick, was today?

jmo

I just don't want Mc Neil to go to trial and use ed's remark as an indicator that OCSD and the DA's office railroaded Cesar. I want a nice, clean conviction!!!

Rick works for Ed, and it seems Ed wants to be the spokesperson for now.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

It won't be ole Ed's decision anyway. It will be the DA's and he was non committal. Ed talks to much. I wonder where his spokesman, Rick, was today?

jmo

He was right there, just out of the camera's eye. When I saw the raw version (on local channel 9), I certainly saw both RS and Det. Sgt. Cavanagh talking to Dewey.

In this particular case, RS will be close by.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

He was right there, just out of the camera's eye. When I saw the raw version (on local channel 9), I certainly saw both RS and Det. Sgt. Cavanagh talking to Dewey.

In this particular case, RS will be close by.

jmo

Maybe at the next hearing we'll get more information. IIRC that will be one of the administrative hearings, and maybe some motions will be filed. Maybe something else will be filed and we will see that too.
I guess it's way to soon for the witness list.

When McNeil said Christina had visited Cesar this weekend, why was I not surprised? What a fool she is. I hope she gets her head together for the trial!!

jmo

[daniel green]

it's been a while, but iirc, they went to mexico for a dna sample. am i mistaken?

i am so anxious to see what his attorney has to say. i know we'll never know the full truth, but there is so much more to this story than we know. also, i wonder if the mc will hand over any email communications to the DA?

jmo

WOW--is that true? The baby was not CL's????????????? :ohmy:

[nuttintodo]

JDNews has updated their article about the hearing this morning and it now includes some information in regards to the warrant that was served on CAL for the DNA sample.


"Onslow County Sheriff's detectives believe Laurean used a crowbar to kill Lauterbach on Dec. 14, 2007, according to affidavits attached to a search warrant served on Laurean on Monday to gain DNA samples.

The affidavit states that a friend of Laurean's, Dennis Ward, helped Laurean build a fire pit in Laurean's backyard on Dec. 16, 2007, with materials purchased that day at Lowe's Home Improvement. At the end of the day, Laurean gave Ward a crowbar.

Laurean fled Onslow County on Jan. 11, 2008. Ward brought the crowbar to the Sheriff's Department the next day, according to the affidavits. (emphasis mine)

Investigators have previously confirmed the crowbar was sent to the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation for testing."

Also:

"Lauterbach told Naval investigators Laurean had raped her in early 2007, but later recanted the accusations. Later DNA tests confirmed he was not the father of Lauterbach's unborn child, according to the Associated Press."

More at link: http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63729___article.html/court_bond.html

And at the same link, a "source" has said that his release, along with two other prisoners, was done as a goodwill gesture since President Obama was visiting Mexico.

[nuttintodo]

WOW--is that true? The baby was not CL's????????????? :ohmy:

Yep according to the Associated Press it is.

[gaelicpeas]

Link to the presser compliments of WITN:

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/43064107.html# (click on news conference)

Now it says the video is unavailable. :confused:Home from work, and it's working now. Thanks, Nuttin!

[gaelicpeas]

Yep according to the Associated Press it is.
I am thinking I will wait until this is confirmed. The whole thing is just too odd the way it was suddenly reported, and all the media outlets ran with it... JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Besides, if it is true that CL is not the father, then I will have to come up with another half dozen theories!

[nuttintodo]

Besides, if it is true that CL is not the father, then I will have to come up with another half dozen theories!


I hear ya GP! If he wasn't the father then what on earth caused the volcano to erupt on 12/14/07?

I'm like you, I can wait until it's presented in court or in a SW/Affidavit.

[Tokyo Rose]

JDNews has updated their article about the hearing this morning and it now includes some information in regards to the warrant that was served on CAL for the DNA sample.


"Onslow County Sheriff's detectives believe Laurean used a crowbar to kill Lauterbach on Dec. 14, 2007, according to affidavits attached to a search warrant served on Laurean on Monday to gain DNA samples.

The affidavit states that a friend of Laurean's, Dennis Ward, helped Laurean build a fire pit in Laurean's backyard on Dec. 16, 2007, with materials purchased that day at Lowe's Home Improvement. At the end of the day, Laurean gave Ward a crowbar.

Laurean fled Onslow County on Jan. 11, 2008. Ward brought the crowbar to the Sheriff's Department the next day, according to the affidavits. (emphasis mine)

Investigators have previously confirmed the crowbar was sent to the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation for testing."

Also:

"Lauterbach told Naval investigators Laurean had raped her in early 2007, but later recanted the accusations. Later DNA tests confirmed he was not the father of Lauterbach's unborn child, according to the Associated Press."

More at link: http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63729___article.html/court_bond.html

And at the same link, a "source" has said that his release, along with two other prisoners, was done as a goodwill gesture since President Obama was visiting Mexico.

I thought she recanted the baby was CAL's because of a miscalculation and realized it wasn't his, but I never knew she recanted the entire rape.

Very interesting.

[Tokyo Rose]

I hear ya GP! If he wasn't the father then what on earth caused the volcano to erupt on 12/14/07?

I'm like you, I can wait until it's presented in court or in a SW/Affidavit.

The search warrant must be out if the paper has it, no?

[gaelicpeas]

I hear ya GP! If he wasn't the father then what on earth caused the volcano to erupt on 12/14/07?

I'm like you, I can wait until it's presented in court or in a SW/Affidavit.lol... well, the good thing is that I don't have to remember my other dozen theories based on CL being the father if this news is true.

If I am understanding NC law correctly, we won't know anything with regards to discovery until trial.

[gaelicpeas]

Interesting about this Dennis Ward guy. Never knew he was the one that turned in the crowbar. Why would CL give him the crowbar? I mean, I can guess why, but what did he tell this Dennis guy? "Here, for helping me dig this pit, I will give you my treasured crowbar." Just sounds odd, IMO.

[nuttintodo]

I caught that too TRose. I think it's a case of someone in a hurry and didn't properly proof his article.

IIRC, she didn't recant the rape accusation just the miscalculation on the conception date.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

I caught that too TRose. I think it's a case of someone in a hurry and didn't properly proof his article.

IIRC, she didn't recant the rape accusation just the miscalculation on the conception date.

jmohmmm... I will have to go back and re-read everything. I remember thinking at the time that Maria was pressured into recanting the rape accusation. But this is JMO until I get up the energy to delve back into all the documents. I figure I will do that closer to trial, because if I do it now, and trial isn't for another year, I will have to do it AGAIN next year!

[Tokyo Rose]

I just don't want Mc Neil to go to trial and use ed's remark as an indicator that OCSD and the DA's office railroaded Cesar. I want a nice, clean conviction!!!

Rick works for Ed, and it seems Ed wants to be the spokesperson for now.

jmo

You were right about Ed's statement. According to the last link Nuttin put up, McNeil thanked Ed for making it easier for him to get a COV. I bet Hudson cringes whenever Ed walks to the mic for his face time he loves so much. Maybe he will again be pulled out of the lime light by the powers that be.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I caught that too TRose. I think it's a case of someone in a hurry and didn't properly proof his article.

IIRC, she didn't recant the rape accusation just the miscalculation on the conception date.

jmo

OK, thanks, I thought I was going even more senile than I already have.:drool:

[Tokyo Rose]

Besides, if it is true that CL is not the father, then I will have to come up with another half dozen theories!

At the time of the murder, I believe CAL thought he WAS the father.

[Unperson1984]

JDNews has updated their article about the hearing this morning and it now includes some information in regards to the warrant that was served on CAL for the DNA sample.


"Onslow County Sheriff's detectives believe Laurean used a crowbar to kill Lauterbach on Dec. 14, 2007, according to affidavits attached to a search warrant served on Laurean on Monday to gain DNA samples.

The affidavit states that a friend of Laurean's, Dennis Ward, helped Laurean build a fire pit in Laurean's backyard on Dec. 16, 2007, with materials purchased that day at Lowe's Home Improvement. At the end of the day, Laurean gave Ward a crowbar.

Laurean fled Onslow County on Jan. 11, 2008. Ward brought the crowbar to the Sheriff's Department the next day, according to the affidavits. (emphasis mine)

Investigators have previously confirmed the crowbar was sent to the N.C. State Bureau of Investigation for testing."

Also:

"Lauterbach told Naval investigators Laurean had raped her in early 2007, but later recanted the accusations. Later DNA tests confirmed he was not the father of Lauterbach's unborn child, according to the Associated Press."

More at link: http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_63729___article.html/court_bond.html

And at the same link, a "source" has said that his release, along with two other prisoners, was done as a goodwill gesture since President Obama was visiting Mexico.


So everyone is just quoting the AP story regarding paternity?

:confused:

[gaelicpeas]

So everyone is just quoting the AP story regarding paternity?

:confused:Apparently.. which is why I am waiting until it is confirmed "officially".

[Tokyo Rose]

I think the DNA sample the police got today with a search warrant was to have a legal chain of custody for trial. There must be DNA on that crowbar. They probably have a lot of items with DNA on them that was recovered at the scene as well as DNA recovered from Maria's body.

They may be testing again for paternity for trial, but that answer was probably already obtained from the military. The military did that testing from a blood sample he had on file with them or also MW5 thought she remembered investigators going to Mexico for a sample. Probably military investigators. The rape investigation was no doubt continuing with the military and the results of the paternity was of great value to them. That testing has already been released to us.

I believe again the child was not CL's. I still believe CL and Maria had sex either forced or consensual. I think CL thought the baby was his at the time of the murder because the testing was done after the murder. The military was going to wait for the birth of the baby to test before she was killed.

Theory #1

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

So everyone is just quoting the AP story regarding paternity?

:confused:

No, not just the AP story, but other news agencies also. I saw it on Fox TV for one. They announced it on the news. It just hasn't been in your face type news.:shrug:

News agencies started releasing it after CL was on his way back. It was announced as if it was news everyone already knew about.

[nuttintodo]

No, not just the AP story, but other news agencies also. I saw it on Fox TV for one. They announced it on the news. It just hasn't been in your face type news.:shrug:

News agencies started releasing it after CL was on his way back. It was announced as if it was news everyone already knew about.

You are correct that other news outlets were stating the same thing but it all goes back to an AP report. If you go to CNN, Fox and others, and read, their reports always say according to an Associated Press report or something there about.

I can certainly wait until it's "officially" reported. Heck we've been waiting for some fifteen months now.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

You are correct that other news outlets were stating the same thing but it all goes back to an AP report. If you go to CNN, Fox and others, and read, their reports always say according to an Associated Press report or something there about.

I can certainly wait until it's "officially" reported. Heck we've been waiting for some fifteen months now.

jmoI agree, Nuttin.. it is too fishy for my comfort level. But who knows...

[marinewife5]

I agree, Nuttin.. it is too fishy for my comfort level. But who knows...

here's what i think: if that report were false, it would have been corrected. i think it was released so subtly because the big story is the murder and the return of the suspect.

jmo

[sunstar]

I hear ya GP! If he wasn't the father then what on earth caused the volcano to erupt on 12/14/07?

I'm like you, I can wait until it's presented in court or in a SW/Affidavit.

It would kind of make more sense if the baby wasn't his, and she'd been telling him it was, until that evening when she tells him she's leaving? I could see him "losing it" if that happened. Just a wild guess . MOO

[gaelicpeas]

here's what i think: if that report were false, it would have been corrected. i think it was released so subtly because the big story is the murder and the return of the suspect.

jmoCould be...

[marinewife5]

Could be...

lol...you don't seem at all convinced! i too would like some more concrete facts given to us. i think we've all been patient enough.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I was going through some old articles and came across this one.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_61112___article.html/lauterbach_laurean.html

This leaped out at me. Has anyone ever heard of this? Remember, she was found with nothing on from the waist down.

A computer in the Laurean home accessed pornographic Web sites, including some featuring pregnant women, the afternoon of Dec. 14, 2007, according to a source close to the investigation.


That was the day he killed her.

[gaelicpeas]

lol...you don't seem at all convinced! i too would like some more concrete facts given to us. i think we've all been patient enough.

jmolol.. you have a window into my mind. Yep, it is time to see the facts, but looks like that will be a number of months away.....

[gaelicpeas]

I was going through some old articles and came across this one.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_61112___article.html/lauterbach_laurean.html

This leaped out at me. Has anyone ever heard of this? Remember, she was found with nothing on from the waist down.

A computer in the Laurean home accessed pornographic Web sites, including some featuring pregnant women, the afternoon of Dec. 14, 2007, according to a source close to the investigation.


That was the day he killed her.I remember reading that in the distant past... I just don't know what to make of this case. I will say it was very interesting today at the press conference with Hudson, Brown, and McNeil all there. Very different from, say, the Casey Anthony case in Florida.

[Tokyo Rose]

I remember reading that in the distant past... I just don't know what to make of this case. I will say it was very interesting today at the press conference with Hudson, Brown, and McNeil all there. Very different from, say, the Casey Anthony case in Florida.

I thought that was an interesting press conference too. I don't know what to think of this case either. I have more than one theory messing with my head now.

I would just like to know why she went to that house. :sad:


jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

RS said there was two contacts between them on the day she died. One contact was when he killed her.

Did she call him to tell him she was leaving and wanted to talk to him before she left? Maybe he told her he wanted to talk to her before she left. Wasn't there something about a baby present being found in the garage?

After they talk, he goes and looks at pornographic material, and when she gets there he tells her he wants sex? She fights him and dies?
He had to be furious with her for reporting he raped her to begin with.

Just thinking.......Cesar is a very very sick puppy not to mention a narcissistic personality according to the FBI investigator on the Dateline report.

jmo

[Marcia3]

And why was CAL being blamed or taking blame if that is the case?

And why was it important to him not to have a military trial?


I still think maybe there is that chance that Maria told mom about the "rape", because of her religious upbringing... when it could have been the result of something else.

Nevertheless, we all agree that this was and will be a hard road for her family. No matter what the truth turns out to be...my heart goes out to them.

You are asking great questions, and sadly, I do not have the answers. I'm not sure anyone does, other than CAL himself. I have always been on the fence about the rape (was it or wasn't it), and for the same reasons you mention.

[Tokyo Rose]

I believe he raped her before. I believe he wanted sex from her and she told him no. I believe he went ahead and had sex with her anyway. Not rough sex, but still unwanted. While in the process she told him to stop and he finally did. I believe this happened more than once.

It was enough for the military investigators to investigate. I think Maria was confused as to that being a rape because she didn't fight and wasn't hurt. I think CL is a narcissistic rapist. To him it was consensual.

A Court Marshall hearing had been set. It wasn't set for nothing happening. Just saying.............

That's why I believe he was capable of forcible rape and murder that last day. :shrug:

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

I also think he couldn't have known that last day the baby wasn't his. No testing had been done yet. Even if Maria told him it wasn't his, he wouldn't have necessarily believed her. There was still a chance it was his. Since he had lied to the military investigators saying he never had sex with her, he knew if that baby was his, his military career was over.

I think this murder was premeditated.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr21/0,4670,MissingMarineCORRECTIVE,00.html


Correction: Missing Marine story

Tuesday, April 21, 2009


RALEIGH, N.C. — In stories April 16 and April 17 about slain Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, The Associated Press reported erroneously that tests had confirmed a Marine later suspected in her killing wasn't the father of Lauterbach's unborn child.

Lauterbach had told a military prosecutor that Cpl. Cesar Laurean couldn't be the father based on a recalculated conception date after a medical examination.


So it appears the results of the tests are not known yet.

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr21/0,4670,MissingMarineCORRECTIVE,00.html


Correction: Missing Marine story

Tuesday, April 21, 2009


RALEIGH, N.C. — In stories April 16 and April 17 about slain Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, The Associated Press reported erroneously that tests had confirmed a Marine later suspected in her killing wasn't the father of Lauterbach's unborn child.

Lauterbach had told a military prosecutor that Cpl. Cesar Laurean couldn't be the father based on a recalculated conception date after a medical examination.


So it appears the results of the tests are not known yet.
Sheesh... I can't believe it took them that long to issue a correction! That is not just some minor detail....

[marinewife5]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Apr21/0,4670,MissingMarineCORRECTIVE,00.html


Correction: Missing Marine story

Tuesday, April 21, 2009


RALEIGH, N.C. — In stories April 16 and April 17 about slain Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, The Associated Press reported erroneously that tests had confirmed a Marine later suspected in her killing wasn't the father of Lauterbach's unborn child.

Lauterbach had told a military prosecutor that Cpl. Cesar Laurean couldn't be the father based on a recalculated conception date after a medical examination.


So it appears the results of the tests are not known yet.

i see...that correction should have been front page news!!! i wasted all of that shock for nothing.

jmo

[baywench]

Sheesh... I can't believe it took them that long to issue a correction! That is not just some minor detail....


Unbelievable....well that confirms my theory that he killed her because he thought the baby was his. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

i see...that correction should have been front page news!!! i wasted all of that shock for nothing.

jmoNo kidding. I was already working on revised theory #3. Back to the drawing board....

[sunstar]

I was going through some old articles and came across this one.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_61112___article.html/lauterbach_laurean.html

This leaped out at me. Has anyone ever heard of this? Remember, she was found with nothing on from the waist down.

A computer in the Laurean home accessed pornographic Web sites, including some featuring pregnant women, the afternoon of Dec. 14, 2007, according to a source close to the investigation.


That was the day he killed her.
I don't know how I missed that part of the article when I first read it many months ago ~ but that is huge! :scared: MOO

[lovebites**]

Unbelievable....well that confirms my theory that he killed her because he thought the baby was his. jmo

Hey baywench :wink:
Always the voice of reason.

[Unperson1984]

It seemed very odd that none of us had read about a report regarding paternity, that's why I asked.

[sunstar]

Unbelievable....well that confirms my theory that he killed her because he thought the baby was his. jmo

I think that's the motive too, for both him and his wife. MOO

[Tokyo Rose]

I think that's the motive too, for both him and his wife. MOO

Christina wasn't there. He had plans for Maria that Christina would not have gone along with at all. He made sure Christina was going to that party and not coming home until late.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

It seemed very odd that none of us had read about a report regarding paternity, that's why I asked.
(pssst... I think some of us know more about this case than the media. Heck, even Lindell said he was the first to report about the paternity. Of course, it could end up being true, but it hasn't been reported by the authorities yet.) JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Christina wasn't there. He had plans for Maria that Christina would not have gone along with at all.

jmoI know you are a firm believer that Christina was not involved... and MOST likely you are correct. But, until the evidence is all in, I will not commit to that.

Also, I think Sutherland said there were 2 contacts on that day (was it Dec 14 or 15 - I have to go back and check), because that is was Laurean's NOTE said. I don't think we have any other confirmation of this.

Of course, none of the phone records, etc., have been released. This case (unfortunately for us) is not subject to the same Sunshine laws that, for instance, the Casey Anthony case is.

And so we are left to wonder.. and theorize. But, just speaking for myself, I am not committing one way or the other as to who was involved yet until I see the evidence. There is a lot of just common sense reason to believe that Christina MUST have known, at the very least. But who knows.... JMO

[gaelicpeas]

ugh... typos.. my previous post should have said "because that is what Laurean's note said".

[marinewife5]

I think that's the motive too, for both him and his wife. MOO

i need to dig out all of my notes from this case. i know we don't have even close to all of the facts, but my brain just can't remember what it was we did know (vs. rumor)

[Tokyo Rose]

I know you are a firm believer that Christina was not involved... and MOST likely you are correct. But, until the evidence is all in, I will not commit to that.

Also, I think Sutherland said there were 2 contacts on that day (was it Dec 14 or 15 - I have to go back and check), because that is was Laurean's NOTE said. I don't think we have any other confirmation of this.

Of course, none of the phone records, etc., have been released. This case (unfortunately for us) is not subject to the same Sunshine laws that, for instance, the Casey Anthony case is.

And so we are left to wonder.. and theorize. But, just speaking for myself, I am not committing one way or the other as to who was involved yet until I see the evidence. There is a lot of just common sense reason to believe that Christina MUST have known, at the very least. But who knows.... JMO



RS said there were two contacts the day of the murder and one of those contacts was when he killed her. That was the 14th. Cesar, in his note to Christina, said Maria came to his house on the 15th, and cut her own throat. That was debunked through the investigation. The police said he killed her on the 14th.

Yes, the Sunshine Law is strictly a Florida law. When it was passed into law, it was named the Sunshine Law because Florida is known as the Sunshine State.

As far as Christina goes, I believe the police and DA when they said in a press conference she was cleared. I'm not one to believe in cover up conspiracies. I also don't believe she could pull the wool over the eyes of all the different investigators from all the different agencies who were questioning her.

She is, however, the most incredible fool I have seen for continuing to love that monster. This whole thing had to have done something to her mentally is all I can figure.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

i need to dig out all of my notes from this case. i know we don't have even close to all of the facts, but my brain just can't remember what it was we did know (vs. rumor)

Weren't there a lot of questions sent to RS and answered? I wonder if they are somewhere in the archives of this forum. I think that is where RS said there were two contacts on the 14th. I wonder if he is still posting on LK's blog.

We all are going to have to knuckle down and do our own investigation again. LOL

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Weren't there a lot of questions sent to RS and answered? I wonder if they are somewhere in the archives of this forum. I think that is where RS said there were two contacts on the 14th. I wonder if he is still posting on LK's blog.

We all are going to have to knuckle down and do our own investigation again. LOL

jmoLaurean himself said in his "note" that Maria came to the house twice. I think those are the 2 contacts that Sutherland referenced. And, FWIW, I don't believe a thing in Laurean's notes.. other than that he tried to make it as close to the truth as possible.

[Tokyo Rose]

Laurean himself said in his "note" that Maria came to the house twice. I think those are the 2 contacts that Sutherland referenced. And, FWIW, I don't believe a thing in Laurean's notes.. other than that he tried to make it as close to the truth as possible.

That could very well be. RS never would say what kind of contact it was, in person, phone call, ect.

I'm afraid we will be waiting a long time to hear what really happened.
I've already been rambling theories like there is no tomorrow.

I'm just very happy he can't get bail and will be sitting in jail for a long time waiting for his trial. I don't think he and Christina will be getting any "special visits" there either.

jmo

[marinewife5]

That could very well be. RS never would say what kind of contact it was, in person, phone call, ect.

I'm afraid we will be waiting a long time to hear what really happened.
I've already been rambling theories like there is no tomorrow.

I'm just very happy he can't get bail and will be sitting in jail for a long time waiting for his trial. I don't think he and Christina will be getting any "special visits" there either.

jmo


that's the bottom line right now. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

that's the bottom line right now. jmo

Absolutely, I can wait for the trial. I was getting carried away. :biggrin: Maybe at the hearing we'll get some more to chew on. :wink:

[Babes]

Laurean himself said in his "note" that Maria came to the house twice. I think those are the 2 contacts that Sutherland referenced. And, FWIW, I don't believe a thing in Laurean's notes.. other than that he tried to make it as close to the truth as possible.


IMO...That note was written by Cesar by was coached by Christina - Cesar gave the crowbar to a friend - because he knew that later it will be an evidence .. how come he didnt just throw on his way to mexico but rather gave it to a friend? Doesnt make any sense. There is a reason for thaT imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

IMO...That note was written by Cesar by was coached by Christina - Cesar gave the crowbar to a friend - because he knew that later it will be an evidence .. how come he didnt just throw on his way to mexico but rather gave it to a friend? Doesnt make any sense. There is a reason for thaT imo.

ITA Babes, but for now it looks like Christina is standing by her man. I've heard rumors about her taking Abrianna to the jail to welcome him home. barf

Can you imagine any woman doing that IF she was just an innocent in all of this? JMO. :confused:

[SavannahStar]

ITA Babes, but for now it looks like Christina is standing by her man. I've heard rumors about her taking Abrianna to the jail to welcome him home. barf

Can you imagine any woman doing that IF she was just an innocent in all of this? JMO. :confused:

Actually, stranger things have happened.

[CANDYKISSES]

Actually, stranger things have happened.


I'm sure they have Savannah, but I was hoping her parents might help her see the light IF she was an innocent. The conjugal visit in Mexico for his birthday was another head shaking moment IMO. :thumbdown:

[Tokyo Rose]

Christina was cleared by the police and DA. Whether or not she decides to visit Cesar in jail and bring her child to see her father has nothing to do with her being guilty or innocent.

If we don't think she should be visiting Cesar, we should attempt to understand it is really none of our business.

I myself wouldn't do it, but there are many families who do visit their relatives in jail so it is not unusual.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

IMO...That note was written by Cesar by was coached by Christina - Cesar gave the crowbar to a friend - because he knew that later it will be an evidence .. how come he didnt just throw on his way to mexico but rather gave it to a friend? Doesnt make any sense. There is a reason for thaT imo.

Maybe he was trying to throw the blame on his "friend" when the investigation started. After all, this was the friend who went with him to Lowes and helped him build his fire pit after the murder.

Christina did not coach Cesar on the note. She was cleared of any wrong doing.

jmo

[marinewife5]

Maybe he was trying to throw the blame on his "friend" when the investigation started. After all, this was the friend who went with him to Lowes and helped him build his fire pit after the murder.

Christina did not coach Cesar on the note. She was cleared of any wrong doing.

jmo

i do hope for the sake of the child that you're right, but i guess you have to live in onslow county a while to understand how little it means for dewey or rick to clear christina of any wrongdoing. in fact, i find it a bit hinky that they did that without talking to cesar at all and hearing his side. if the "clearing" wasn't so premature, i might have taken it a bit more seriously. i cannot believe in a million years that cesar is innocent in all of this, and i feel the same about christina. the only thing that would change my mind is actual proof. not the word of a DA and LE.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

i do hope for the sake of the child that you're right, but i guess you have to live in onslow county a while to understand how little it means for dewey or rick to clear christina of any wrongdoing. in fact, i find it a bit hinky that they did that without talking to cesar at all and hearing his side. if the "clearing" wasn't so premature, i might have taken it a bit more seriously. i cannot believe in a million years that cesar is innocent in all of this, and i feel the same about christina. the only thing that would change my mind is actual proof. not the word of a DA and LE.

jmo

Well stated MW. I was surprised that he never flinched when making that claim and it could be considered VERY PREJUDICIAL depending on what McNeil uses as a defense. You have certainly brought up a very thought provoking issue from my POV. :thumbup:

I can think of a few DA's who have been accused of making prejudicial comments that hurt their case in the long run going back as far as Mark Hurlbert and as recent as Mike Nifong IMO.

[Marcia3]

i do hope for the sake of the child that you're right, but i guess you have to live in onslow county a while to understand how little it means for dewey or rick to clear christina of any wrongdoing. in fact, i find it a bit hinky that they did that without talking to cesar at all and hearing his side. if the "clearing" wasn't so premature, i might have taken it a bit more seriously. i cannot believe in a million years that cesar is innocent in all of this, and i feel the same about christina. the only thing that would change my mind is actual proof. not the word of a DA and LE.

jmo

ITA, mw5. It was a rush to judgment of Christina's innocence, IMO, and was done in an attempt to gather information from her that would lead to her husband. And it worked.

[dgfred]

No way she didn't know something had happened (bad) in that home.

Let's see- the woman (pregnant) that has accused the husband of rape
turns up buried in the back yard in a barbecue pit, and the house needs or has been cleaned up... no reason to really suspect said husband :rolleyes: . Stand by your man, no... stand by your killer.

[dgfred]

ITA, mw5. It was a rush to judgment of Christina's innocence, IMO, and was done in an attempt to gather information from her that would lead to her husband. And it worked.

Good point there Marcia.

[GentleBreeze]

i do hope for the sake of the child that you're right, but i guess you have to live in onslow county a while to understand how little it means for dewey or rick to clear christina of any wrongdoing. in fact, i find it a bit hinky that they did that without talking to cesar at all and hearing his side. if the "clearing" wasn't so premature, i might have taken it a bit more seriously. i cannot believe in a million years that cesar is innocent in all of this, and i feel the same about christina. the only thing that would change my mind is actual proof. not the word of a DA and LE.

jmo

ITA! The DA and LE always puts their own spin on every case.

Imo, from the beginning the DA jumped too quickly to support this woman. It shows me he was trying to schmooze her into testifying against her husband or seeking to get info from her. Maybe hoping that they became divorced severing the husband/wife privilege.

It seems that Christina is still standing by Laurean if she is now visiting him in jail since his return back to NC. Since it is up to Laurean whether she testifies or not I think he will not want her to and she will not want to either. It is safer for both of them that way imo.

I will never believe she didn't know a horrible crime had happened in her own home. And she said she came in that night before Laurean even came back. No one can do all this and clean up every bit of the evidence like it never existed in this amount of time imo.

I heard that she also took Laurean's little girl to see him too. Does anyone know if that happened?

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

No way she didn't know something had happened (bad) in that home.

Let's see- the woman (pregnant) that has accused the husband of rape
turns up buried in the back yard in a barbecue pit, and the house needs or has been cleaned up... no reason to really suspect said husband :rolleyes: . Stand by your man, no... stand by your killer.


Now now DGF, I'm sure Cesar was a great housekeeper after getting a look inside the garage. :w00t:

No, I am not buying he did the bang up job of the year cleaning up after such a horrendous act if he is the one who actually did it.

The idea it was reported that some clothing on the lower extremities was removed, gives pause to thought of other scenarios if an angry spouse came in early and unexpected IMO. :sad:

I simply want anyone who had a hand in this crime to face lady justice head on.

[Tokyo Rose]

The police and the DA have cleared Christina. Funny everyone believes the police who have evidently cleared Cesar's friend who helped him dig the fire pit.

Hmmmmmm:rolleyes:

[Tokyo Rose]

I really don't know what Cesar being a good housekeeper or not has to do with this case. The murder occurred in the garage.:rolleyes:

Although, I once knew someone whose house was so cluttered and dirty, a massacre could have occurred there and the bodies would never have been found.:scared:

[dgfred]

Of course helping a friend build a fire pit is not so suspicious until you find out a couple days later that said friend is accused of murder :scared: .

Now a cleaned up scene and a housewife that doesn't suspect anything by an accused rapist, with the victim suddenly disappearing is a bit far-fetched.

[dgfred]

I really don't know what Cesar being a good housekeeper or not has to do with this case. The murder occurred in the garage.:rolleyes:

Although, I once knew someone whose house was so cluttered and dirty, a massacre could have occurred there and the bodies would never have been found.:scared:

Wasn't there fresh painting done in the garage? I seem to remember something like that.

[Tokyo Rose]

i do hope for the sake of the child that you're right, but i guess you have to live in onslow county a while to understand how little it means for dewey or rick to clear christina of any wrongdoing. in fact, i find it a bit hinky that they did that without talking to cesar at all and hearing his side. if the "clearing" wasn't so premature, i might have taken it a bit more seriously. i cannot believe in a million years that cesar is innocent in all of this, and i feel the same about christina. the only thing that would change my mind is actual proof. not the word of a DA and LE.

jmo

The proof will come at trial, and like you, I can wait. The chances of the police or DA ever having a chance to "hear Cesar's side" are zero since he has a good attorney paid for by the taxpayers.

The investigation tells them all they need to know to clear Christina. The investigation is the proof.

I just don't believe the police are so stupid they didn't do a good investigation.

Remember, there were other agencies involved including the military, the FBI, the U. S. Marshalls just to name a few. It wasn't just Onslow County clearing Christina by a long shot.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Wasn't there fresh painting done in the garage? I seem to remember something like that.

Not interested in being baited. Have a nice day.:thumbup:

[CANDYKISSES]

Of course helping a friend build a fire pit is not so suspicious until you find out a couple days later that said friend is accused of murder :scared: .

Now a cleaned up scene and a housewife that doesn't suspect anything by an accused rapist, with the victim suddenly disappearing is a bit far-fetched.

Indeed it is DGF. I don't think it was an oversight and look forward to more coming to light as time goes on and hopefully more discovery is forthcoming. :sneaky: JMO

[dgfred]

Not interested in being baited. Have a nice day.:thumbup:

Don't really know what you mean :confused: ,
I promise that you will not see a 'bait' attempt by me... ever.

I was only stating I didn't think the wife had 'no idea' what had happened.

[marinewife5]

The police and the DA have cleared Christina. Funny everyone believes the police who have evidently cleared Cesar's friend who helped him dig the fire pit.

Hmmmmmm:rolleyes:

I never said I believed he should have been cleared. I have no idea what his involvement was.

[eagleeer]

Not interested in being baited. Have a nice day.:thumbup:

You might consider an apology to dgfred, I see nothing to indicate that he was baiting you in any way. Now you have a nice day.

[Tokyo Rose]

I never said I believed he should have been cleared. I have no idea what his involvement was.

I wasn't referring to you specifically. I just posted in general, and to no one in particular, I thought it odd no one seems to be suspicious of Cesar's friend like they are of Christina. We just found out he went to Lowes with Cesar, helped to dig the pit, and ended up with the crowbar that appears to be the murder weapon. He turned over the crowbar just like Christina turned over the note. The police have not held a press conference announcing he is cleared like they did with Christina yet no one thinks he is involved in the murder or cover up.

Here is an interesting link I have been looking for.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_8/GS_8-57.html

[dgfred]

Interesting T R. So the wife didn't really have to turn over or say anything to LE, right? Amazing she still goes and visits with a child... when he is suspected of killing a woman pregnant with a child. Might want to cut ALL ties to the dude.

[Tokyo Rose]

Interesting T R. So the wife didn't really have to turn over or say anything to LE, right? Amazing she still goes and visits with a child... when he is suspected of killing a woman pregnant with a child. Might want to cut ALL ties to the dude.

Handing the note to LE and telling them what happened did keep her from being charged with withholding evidence or obstruction. She had to do that.

She's not compelled to testify in court as per the link.

I sure wouldn't go and visit him, but that's just me. I wouldn't take my child to the jail to visit him. I think he lost the right to see his child after what he did to Maria and Gabrial. I would have already had a divorce in my back pocket and be sitting by ready to testify. IF she does testify, I'll be surprised. I believe the DA will be surprised too, but not because she is guilty of anything.

jmo

[baywench]

ITA! The DA and LE always puts their own spin on every case.

Imo, from the beginning the DA jumped too quickly to support this woman. It shows me he was trying to schmooze her into testifying against her husband or seeking to get info from her. Maybe hoping that they became divorced severing the husband/wife privilege.

It seems that Christina is still standing by Laurean if she is now visiting him in jail since his return back to NC. Since it is up to Laurean whether she testifies or not I think he will not want her to and she will not want to either. It is safer for both of them that way imo.

I will never believe she didn't know a horrible crime had happened in her own home. And she said she came in that night before Laurean even came back. No one can do all this and clean up every bit of the evidence like it never existed in this amount of time imo.

I heard that she also took Laurean's little girl to see him too. Does anyone know if that happened?

imo
.

I completely agree. It devies logic that Christina would act this way if she was completely innocent. I don't think she is a complete moron so I have to believe she has incentive to keep Laurean happy and cover her ***. I have always wondered if perhaps the problem for LE is that the evidence could point towards either or both of them. He said/she said couldn't lead to a mistrial could it? I hope not. And remember, when LE was declaring her innocent of wrongdoing they didn't have their hands on CL, I would think they would say anything that would lead them to him. jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

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I completely agree. It devies logic that Christina would act this way if she was completely innocent. I don't think she is a complete moron so I have to believe she has incentive to keep Laurean happy and cover her ***. I have always wondered if perhaps the problem for LE is that the evidence could point towards either or both of them. He said/she said couldn't lead to a mistrial could it? I hope not. And remember, when LE was declaring her innocent of wrongdoing they didn't have their hands on CL, I would think they would say anything that would lead them to him. jmo

The police and prosecutors remain convinced Christina had nothing to do with the murder. They investigated her thoroughly and came up with nothing. It's not going to change.

Cesar's side will come out in trial. His attorney is not going to allow him to talk to investigators now.

jmo

[daniel green]

Yep according to the Associated Press it is.

Well, yowzer. :w00t:

[gaelicpeas]

Well, yowzer. :w00t:Scroll back... Fox issued a correction and said the paternity results were incorrect. JMO

[nuttintodo]

Scroll back... Fox issued a correction and said the paternity results were incorrect. JMO


I'm glad the AP issued a correction to their original story. I just couldn't get over how casually they dropped that bomb like it was common knowledge.

On to the trial....

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Of course helping a friend build a fire pit is not so suspicious until you find out a couple days later that said friend is accused of murder :scared: .

Now a cleaned up scene and a housewife that doesn't suspect anything by an accused rapist, with the victim suddenly disappearing is a bit far-fetched.

And wasn't there some blood evidence also found INSIDE the home?

imo

[GentleBreeze]

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I completely agree. It devies logic that Christina would act this way if she was completely innocent. I don't think she is a complete moron so I have to believe she has incentive to keep Laurean happy and cover her ***. I have always wondered if perhaps the problem for LE is that the evidence could point towards either or both of them. He said/she said couldn't lead to a mistrial could it? I hope not. And remember, when LE was declaring her innocent of wrongdoing they didn't have their hands on CL, I would think they would say anything that would lead them to him. jmo

Good Morning, Bay!

Actually I think secretly Dewey is hoping she doesn't testify. All McNeil has to do is throw reasonable doubt into the case about who really could have done this crime and who also could have had a motive.

McNeil wouldn't come right out and accuse Christina but he could put forth that there were others who could have done this crime and in a panic Laurean cleaned up in the aftermath.

One of the reasons I have always felt that this crime was not premeditated is the burying of Maria in his own backyard. I think he was afraid to move her body knowing that he could be seen or evidence left behind in his truck that he had removed her.

I have no idea what happened. I have no idea why Maria would come there on her own free will, but whatever happened imo happened in an explosive extreme moment of heated passion.

I don't think McNeil is a pushover and he is going to make the DA prove their case BARD!

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

I agree Cesar got a very good attorney and at the taxpayers expense too.
How lucky could he get not having a regular public defender some would say.

Actually, I would think the defense could easily use the friend who helped Cesar with the pit and ended up with the murder weapon much easier than Christina to cast doubt, and he will be testifying.

I don't think the prosecution is concerned with putting Christina on the stand should she decide to testify, and I think the DA is hoping she will.
This is based on a comment he made when he found out she went to see Cesar the first time.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

And wasn't there some blood evidence also found INSIDE the home?

imo

Actually, there was. Not the horror scene Ed made it sound like in the beginning though.

IIRC there were trace amounts which DNA was run on to determine whose blood it was. That information should come to us at the trial.
It could easily be the family's or friends and easily accounted for.

There is trace evidence of blood in all of our homes that is not visible to the eye. It can come from everyday living. There is DNA of all kinds all over all homes. We don't know if luminol had to be used to find the blood in the house either.

The important thing is if any DNA of any kind in the house was Maria's. I believe they know.

The detectives determined the murder happened in the garage. This was done through investigation none of us is privy to.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Good Morning, Bay!

Actually I think secretly Dewey is hoping she doesn't testify. All McNeil has to do is throw reasonable doubt into the case about who really could have done this crime and who also could have had a motive.

McNeil wouldn't come right out and accuse Christina but he could put forth that there were others who could have done this crime and in a panic Laurean cleaned up in the aftermath.

One of the reasons I have always felt that this crime was not premeditated is the burying of Maria in his own backyard. I think he was afraid to move her body knowing that he could be seen or evidence left behind in his truck that he had removed her.

I have no idea what happened. I have no idea why Maria would come there on her own free will, but whatever happened imo happened in an explosive extreme moment of heated passion.

I don't think McNeil is a pushover and he is going to make the DA prove their case BARD!

imo

Hey there Ocean! LTNS :biggrin:

Hopefully we will soon know what prompted Maria and Laurean to cross paths that day at 103 Meadow Trail. I'm like you, something happened to trigger the rage that erupted that fateful day.

I'm just glad that he's back in J'ville under lock and key in Big Ed's house. We've waited for some fifteen months for the answers so even if we have to wait until next year for the trial to start, we can do it either patiently or not. The day will come.

Now whether or not the trial is held in Onslow is entirely up to the presiding judge, but I have the very distinct feeling it won't be.

As to whether CSL testifies or not, according to RS, he stated that he felt there was enough evidence that she wouldn't have to. Time will tell but at this point I don't see it happening since she's made at least one trip to Mexico (possibly two if the account in the JDNews article is true) and another since he's been back. So with that being said, it appears she's standing by her man, which is her right, IMO.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Hey there Ocean! LTNS :biggrin:

Hopefully we will soon know what prompted Maria and Laurean to cross paths that day at 103 Meadow Trail. I'm like you, something happened to trigger the rage that erupted that fateful day.

I'm just glad that he's back in J'ville under lock and key in Big Ed's house. We've waited for some fifteen months for the answers so even if we have to wait until next year for the trial to start, we can do it either patiently or not. The day will come.

Now whether or not the trial is held in Onslow is entirely up to the presiding judge, but I have the very distinct feeling it won't be.

As to whether CSL testifies or not, according to RS, he stated that he felt there was enough evidence that she wouldn't have to. Time will tell but at this point I don't see it happening since she's made at least one trip to Mexico (possibly two if the account in the JDNews article is true) and another since he's been back. So with that being said, it appears she's standing by her man, which is her right, IMO.

jmo

Hi there, Nuttin!:seeya:

I think it will be a year before this trial happens. I wish it was sooner of course.

Well I don't expect RS to say anything but that. It is his job to put out that they have a strong case.

I don't see her testifying. Who knows what she believes she may truly believe him or she just loves him enough that she is going to standby him.

When it commences it should be a very interesting case. There are so many unanswered questions in this one.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

Hey there Ocean! LTNS :biggrin:

Hopefully we will soon know what prompted Maria and Laurean to cross paths that day at 103 Meadow Trail. I'm like you, something happened to trigger the rage that erupted that fateful day.

I'm just glad that he's back in J'ville under lock and key in Big Ed's house. We've waited for some fifteen months for the answers so even if we have to wait until next year for the trial to start, we can do it either patiently or not. The day will come.

Now whether or not the trial is held in Onslow is entirely up to the presiding judge, but I have the very distinct feeling it won't be.

As to whether CSL testifies or not, according to RS, he stated that he felt there was enough evidence that she wouldn't have to. Time will tell but at this point I don't see it happening since she's made at least one trip to Mexico (possibly two if the account in the JDNews article is true) and another since he's been back. So with that being said, it appears she's standing by her man, which is her right, IMO.

jmo

Why Nuttin, I agree with you 100%.:ohmy::thumbsup:

[Tokyo Rose]

Even though, at first, I was very pizzed Christina was still seeing her husband, I have now come to the conclusion it is her decision. Just because I couldn't do it doesn't mean anything. It is also her decision if she decides to testify or not.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Hi there, Nuttin!:seeya:

I think it will be a year before this trial happens. I wish it was sooner of course.

Well I don't expect RS to say anything but that. It is his job to put out that they have a strong case.

I don't see her testifying. Who knows what she believes she may truly believe him or she just loves him enough that she is going to standby him.

When it commences it should be a very interesting case. There are so many unanswered questions in this one.

imo

I think it is RS's job to simply put out the truth. I see no reason to doubt him.

jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

anyone know what comes next (court-wise) and when??
iirc, nc has a case management system

[Annie143]

Yes, the Sunshine Law is strictly a Florida law. When it was passed into law, it was named the Sunshine Law because Florida is known as the Sunshine State-Tokyo Rose I always thought it meant that most things with the state of Florida were "open to the light of day" in that state.:smile:Most states have "sunshine" laws of varying degrees and it goes hand in glove with the Freedom of Information Act, public records, etc. Just trying to remember from memory as I am a Florida resident.

[Annie143]

Not trying to beat a dead horse here as I always admire and enjoy Toyko Roses posts. I did a paper for school once on sunshine laws:smile:)

Statutes that mandate that meetings of governmental agencies and departments be open to the public at large.

Through sunshine laws, administrative agencies are required to do their work in public, and as a result, the process is sometimes called "government in the sunshine." A law that requires open meetings ordinarily specifies the only instances when a meeting can be closed to the public and mandates that certain procedures be followed before a particular meeting is closed. The Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C.A. § 552) requires agencies to share information they have obtained with the public. Exceptions are permitted, in general, in the interest of national security or to safeguard the privacy of businesses.

[Tokyo Rose]

I always thought it meant that most things with the state of Florida were "open to the light of day" in that state.:smile:Most states have "sunshine" laws of varying degrees and it goes hand in glove with the Freedom of Information Act, public records, etc. Just trying to remember from memory as I am a Florida resident.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/Law

Florida pioneered Government-in-the-Sunshine laws in 1967. The original is strictly a Florida Law. I was born in Florida and can remember very well it was called the Sunshine Law after the Sunshine State at the time. Of course having it said the State of Florida was "open to the light of day" was very nice too.

[Tokyo Rose]

anyone know what comes next (court-wise) and when??
iirc, nc has a case management system

May 18th and it's probably an administrative hearing under the case management system.

[Tokyo Rose]

Not trying to beat a dead horse here as I always admire and enjoy Toyko Roses posts. I did a paper for school once on sunshine laws:smile:)

Have you caught up yet? This is going to be a very interesting trial.
We will have to eek out information before the trial, but I think this bunch will be able to do it.:wink:

[Annie143]

I'm trying, I'm trying.....:laugh:

[Annie143]

I'm not sure I have what it takes to go through another trial like this. It does take something out of a person just following the ends and out.

This one is going to be interesting though, I have no doubt.

Thanks for all the great insight and updates.

[AlohaRainbow]

May 18th and it's probably an administrative hearing under the case management system.

thanks! .....

[sunstar]

Wasn't there fresh painting done in the garage? I seem to remember something like that.

Yes, it was partially painted. :smile: And I agree with your previous posts to this one ~ I can't see a woman who is a Marine herself being so oblivious to what was going on in her home and back yard. MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Yes, it was partially painted. :smile: And I agree with your previous posts to this one ~ I can't see a woman who is a Marine herself being so oblivious to what was going on in her home and back yard. MOO

As far as the clean up of the home goes - I don't know any man who cleans up so well that a woman wouldn't notice things left undone. I've spoken to dozens of women who all say that their husbands, brothers, fathers, etc. never clean up properly or to their standards. I know my husband is pretty anal about cleanliness but, to be honest, his idea of clean when he cleans up and his idea of cleanliness when I or my daughter do, are 2 different things.

[Tokyo Rose]

PLEASE FORGIVE QUOTING MY OWN POST - I'd just like some feedback.

Oh, and can anyone comment on the fact that CAL buried her in his own backyard? She wasn't totaly burned...the decomp smell eventually would alert people to the fact that something was terribly wrong.

As far as "clearing" Christina, the DA can always come back and charge her with accesory after the fact. Clearing a person in the press and clearing them in court are two different things. Methinks they used her as 'bait' to find CAL. JMO.

Thanks
CJ

Hi CJ,

I can tell you this, the decomp smell is dissipated when a body is covered with dirt. I honestly don't remember any neighbors recalling any smell that was noticeable. Maybe someone else remembers more about what the neighbors were saying in the beginning to the media.

As far as Christina, the police investigated her up one side and down the other and found nothing. There was more than one agency questioning her and investigating. The authorities remain consistent Christina was not involved. To get up in front of the media and announce she was not involved made it pretty clear she wasn't. IMO

The crowbar was given to a friend who helped him with the cinder blocks, not a neighbor.

As to why CAL buried her in his own back yard, we may find out at trial. It is possible he didn't have the time to bury her further away. There are many questions in this case with no answers.

You will find many links in the links thread, and some in the updates tread, as well as in this thread that will bring you up to date.

All jmo.

Rosie

[Babes]

The police and the DA have cleared Christina.


Didnt they call her a cooperating witness as well? ...So what's up with that "cooperating witness" title... does it still belong to her? Clearing her up in the beginning doesnt mean there is a period to that... they can come back and tell her she's under arrest.. .. for what reason? i dont know - maybe for murder? for being part of the murder?... but obviously not for being stupid and inlove LOL ....IMO

[Babes]

The police and prosecutors remain convinced Christina had nothing to do with the murder. They investigated her thoroughly and came up with nothing. It's not going to change.

Cesar's side will come out in trial. His attorney is not going to allow him to talk to investigators now.

jmo


You maybe right ... and maybe wrong... one thing ive'd learn... when the trial start - we will learn so much more info than what we read in
the news and even here in this board...IMO

[Babes]

ITA Babes, but for now it looks like Christina is standing by her man. I've heard rumors about her taking Abrianna to the jail to welcome him home. barf

Can you imagine any woman doing that IF she was just an innocent in all of this? JMO. :confused:

Hi Candykisses...

I do believe that there are reasons why she's standing up for him right now.... It is possibly the same reason she allowed him to escape to Mexico...I just hope that their daughter Abrianna will not carry this issue when she grows up... It will be very hard for her... people cursing his dad for being a possible killer... and people are cursing her mom for possibly being sooooo stupid.... That is just my opinion.

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes, it was partially painted. :smile: And I agree with your previous posts to this one ~ I can't see a woman who is a Marine herself being so oblivious to what was going on in her home and back yard. MOO

ITA, the Marines don't train their men and women to walk around oblivious to life IMO, they receive extensive training on how important it is to keep yourself aware of your surroundings at all times. JMO but I will never believe Christina was an innocent in all of the cover-up FOR SURE.

JMO.:thumbdown:

[CANDYKISSES]

As far as the clean up of the home goes - I don't know any man who cleans up so well that a woman wouldn't notice things left undone. I've spoken to dozens of women who all say that their husbands, brothers, fathers, etc. never clean up properly or to their standards. I know my husband is pretty anal about cleanliness but, to be honest, his idea of clean when he cleans up and his idea of cleanliness when I or my daughter do, are 2 different things.

Hi Leanne, LTNS. I would have to agree with your observations as a general rule. I realize there are some men who are obsessive about cleaning, but go visit a college dorm sometime. OMG, not so much. JMO.

I think it fit a theory LE was working on and certainly made them look like the heroes and Christina a babe in the woods. Given all the bad press LE seems to garner lately, I can understand Hudson and Sutherland needing to believe this story to make up for the missteps along the way to locating Maria and her unborn child. JMO and I stand by the idea of the need for Christina to look innocent and naive being more important to them than anything else in the case.

And for the not so lovely couple, this is a way they can still see each other IMO. :thumbdown:

JMO again. :sad:

[Tokyo Rose]

Didnt they call her a cooperating witness as well? ...So what's up with that "cooperating witness" title... does it still belong to her? Clearing her up in the beginning doesnt mean there is a period to that... they can come back and tell her she's under arrest.. .. for what reason? i dont know - maybe for murder? for being part of the murder?... but obviously not for being stupid and inlove LOL ....IMO

She was a cooperating witness according to police, and I am sure the DA hopes she remains one. No information is out as to whether she will testify or not. She may not even be needed with the amount of evidence the DA probably has.

Hopefully as the evidence comes out she will come to her senses, but women in love can make huge mistakes. She won't be the first.

Men as well as women have stood by their murdering spouses and even husbands who are found to be serial killers. It certainly isn't unheard of.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Thank you much T-Rose!

I will go back to the links when I have time. May I comment on your post?

The decomp smell would indeed be dissapated by a dirt covering, but not eliminated altogether. Maybe CAL meant to move Maria before summer, if she had not been found. Summer in NC is very hot and humid and I doubt that any decomp would would be masked by dirt.

My jury is still out on Christina. It's JMO - I certainly do not have enough info to decide either way.

ITA that we will not know why CAL chose his own backyard. Puzzling, to say the least. I am going to refer to this fact as BBB. As in Burned Body in the Backyard. Curious indeed.

Thanks again, Rose. I plan to rely on this board for info - because the majority of you back up your posts with links etc.

Can't get better than that!

Court Jester :biggrinjester:

YW CJ,

I think he buried her in his back yard because of the time restraint in covering up his crime. He had to put her close. Spur of the moment decision.

I don't believe he planned to move her at all. I think he planned to burn her to ashes. The problem with his plan was he didn't realize how hot a fire has to be to burn a body to ashes. He also could have planned to just burn her over and over again until there were only ashes left.

Rosie

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

You could be right, Rosie. It's just that I cannot imagine anyone who still thinks they can "simply" burn a body. I will always remember the description of how the Nazis tried to burn Hitler and Eva Braun after they died. Well, it didn't work. When I first read that, I was puzzled. Then I learned later that enormous sustained heat is needed to reduce a human body to ashes.

I think "Doesn't everyone know this?" Apparently not. It still boggles my mind that people do not know this fact. Repeated burnings? That very well could be an explanation.

So many pieces in this puzzle are missing. I hope and pray that we will know the "whole story" eventually.

I live in North Carolina. Maybe, if my home business takes off, I'll be able to attend some sessions of this trial.

Until and IF this happens, I have the best sources available right here.

CJ

CJ,

Actually, no I don't think many people realize how high the temperature of a fire has to be and the length of time it takes to burn a body as in crematoriums.

I believe it is very hard for a normal person to put their mind into the way a killer like Cesar thinks.

Good luck with your home business. I hope you get the opportunity to go to the trial.

Rosie

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

CJ,

Actually, no I don't think many people realize how high the temperature of a fire has to be and the length of time it takes to burn a body as in crematoriums.

I believe it is very hard for a normal person to put their mind into the way a killer like Cesar thinks.

Good luck with your home business. I hope you get the opportunity to go to the trial.

Rosie

jmo

Morning Rosie,

But Maria wasn't doused with accelerants out in an open flame and burned was she? It has been awhile since I have kept up with this case. I thought Maria was charred because he built the fire pit on top of the ground over where he had already buried her and the heat above ground heated up the cavity below the ground inside of the grave and that caused her to char?

I am still not sure he was trying to completely burn her up. When they removed her body from the grave she still weighed a substantial weight. He could have been using the fire pit burning area to disguise that there was a shallow grave underneath it. Any newly turned earth in that yard would have stuck out like a sore thumb so imo, he tried to disguise what he had buried there.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

Morning Rosie,

But Maria wasn't doused with accelerants out in an open flame and burned was she? It has been awhile since I have kept up with this case. I thought Maria was charred because he built the fire pit on top of the ground over where he had already buried her and the heat above ground heated up the cavity below the ground inside of the grave and that caused her to char?

I am still not sure he was trying to completely burn her up. When they removed her body from the grave she still weighed a substantial weight. He could have been using the fire pit burning area to disguise that there was a shallow grave underneath it. Any newly turned earth in that yard would have stuck out like a sore thumb so imo, he tried to disguise what he had buried there.

imo

Hi,

No I don't believe she was doused out in the open and burned there, but could have been doused with some type of accelerate before being buried or covered with dirt.

I think maybe the investigators were testing for that.

http://video.onset.freedom.com/jdn/jxqt6p-lauterbachautopsy1.pdf

DISPOSITION OF CLOTHING AND PERSONAL EFFECTS
The following items are preserved as evidence
The following materials are preserved as evidence: all of the clothing, preserved in nylon bags for volatile analysis, the
comforter and sheet, preserved for volatile analysis, baby clothing, preserved for volatile analysis, a sample of head hair,
fetal material for DNA analysis, and a segment of femur for maternal DNA analysis.

I'm thinking maybe Cesar felt the more he burned in that pit, the more she would turn to ashes. He had to run before he got the job done because police were getting on to him. I'm also thinking the last thing he wanted was to have any trace left except ashes.

Of course the results, like all the other testing, is unknown to us.

jmo