apr. 16th

[panache]

I'm perplexed as to why PDM would make a public announcement to the press about terminating Ron's employment. Why would they do that?

[beachpatty]

I'm perplexed as to why PDM would make a public announcement to the press about terminating Ron's employment. Why would they do that?



maybe local undercurrent/gossip or even phone calls were disrupting the regular work routine and they just made the statement to clear up any false gossip. i can see a company doing that, especially in a small town/area. kind of like letting everyone know that there are no longer any ties, between ron and the company. no company, in this economy, needs negative press, media or gossip.

moo
beachpatty

[panache]

Many of you may recall Gayle St. John from the Casey case. It appears Gayle will be heading to Fla. this week to search for Adji and Haleigh.

http://psychicgalestjohn.com/member/forum/index.php/topic,585.0.html

[Texas48]

maybe local undercurrent/gossip or even phone calls were disrupting the regular work routine and they just made the statement to clear up any false gossip. i can see a company doing that, especially in a small town/area. kind of like letting everyone know that there are no longer any ties, between ron and the company. no company, in this economy, needs negative press, media or gossip.

moo
beachpattyI was also woundering why a company would do that and you made perfect sense beachpatty...so TY.

[LILMANMAX]

maybe local undercurrent/gossip or even phone calls were disrupting the regular work routine and they just made the statement to clear up any false gossip. i can see a company doing that, especially in a small town/area. kind of like letting everyone know that there are no longer any ties, between ron and the company. no company, in this economy, needs negative press, media or gossip.

moo
beachpatty

Good call.

[LILMANMAX]

I see nothing strange in RC not returning to work after Hayleigh was snatched. Who would be able to work after news like that? Not me.

[Owlface]

I see nothing strange in RC not returning to work after Hayleigh was snatched. Who would be able to work after news like that? Not me.

That's all well and good, but I assume he was working prior to Haleigh's "disappearance" because he's not independently wealthy - it would be difficult to work but more difficult not to have money to live on. People do what they have to do to support their family.

[panache]

What the heck is going on in Putnam County? Seems like they have their hands full.

http://news.aol.com/article/escaped-florida-inmates/430168

[bonniez45]

JMOO, Maybe now people cannot be calling his place of employment or other personals that really only LE needs to do and maybe if some people had thought the person that took Haleigh could have called there but, when the public is calling to find things out for there own needs that it is really hindering the investigation.
Maybe now, instead of everyones grandstanding they can really work on the case.

[panache]

Gayle St. John plans to arrive in Samsuma on Sunday.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/apr/15/nationally-known-psychic-search-adji/

[beachpatty]

That makes sense, imo, but I think it was more than gossip because of this statement,

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

I don't think that the Sheriff's Dept. would waste man hours on gossip. Imo, they heard something and took it seriously.



O, I'm sure they were there to nip anything in the bud, I was trying to be more polite with the "gossip" thing, Ron's behavior probably pretty much precedes him, small towns, ya know. Plus, companies pay good taxes and with so many companies moving out of the country for cheaper labor, I'm sure they weren't there to waste man hours, more like a deterrent probably.
moo
beachpatty

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm perplexed as to why PDM would make a public announcement to the press about terminating Ron's employment. Why would they do that?

Maybe because of all the harassing phone calls they have gotten from the public at large, (you know, the ones who think they are investigating and can solve this for LE) as well as various inquires regarding whether RON HAS SHOWN UP FOR WORK YET....WHETHER THEY KNOW IF HE COULD BE LOGGED in but STILL GO HOME AND MAKE IT BACK...and all the other intrusive anonymous calls to their company IMO.

If you take an objective look at the article, you will see this is not the first time LE was called in by this company and if you believe all things presented in the article you agree CRYSTAL WAS THE LONG ESTRANGED MOTHER of the children she had with Cummings. :sneaky: Could this be a double edged sword?

They are alleging that after Haleigh’s disappearance, the long estranged mother of the children came along wanting custody of JUNIOR from what I am reading.

McCauley did not say if he had a specific reason but alleged they do this in some cases. He claimed it was a judgment call you make about what might happen. So I am guessing HE WAS NOT ACTING ON A THREAT or he would have stated such.


Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office claimed they were there for shift changes and wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset. (Gee, they have people calling in all over and some with deliberate misinformation on their ex's and anyone would wonder why????)

Officers didn't seem to have problems either day. Thank goodness the EXTREMISTS didn't know what day to launch their hate from what I've seen.

JMO. :thumbdown:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

Praying for the safe return of Haleigh Cummings.

[CANDYKISSES]

Many of you may recall Gayle St. John from the Casey case. It appears Gayle will be heading to Fla. this week to search for Adji and Haleigh.

http://psychicgalestjohn.com/member/forum/index.php/topic,585.0.html

Wasn't she the one who said she could see Caylee in with brown dirt, flowers and trees with water surrounding her? :confused:

I'm not much on the psychics but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures. JMO:sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

JMOO, Maybe now people cannot be calling his place of employment or other personals that really only LE needs to do and maybe if some people had thought the person that took Haleigh could have called there but, when the public is calling to find things out for there own needs that it is really hindering the investigation.
Maybe now, instead of everyones grandstanding they can really work on the case.

You bet Bonnie. When the public chooses to try and get even with their ex's instead of actually providing legitimate tips, we are in trouble with all the circus acts who interject themselves into crime solving IMOO. :sad:

It's a terrible injustice to Haleigh IMO.

:wub:Praying for Haleigh.

[beachpatty]

Maybe some of the co workers that reportedly gave up some of their vaca time to help Ron (no link, just hearsay & MOO), found out that moneys were being spent on dinner celebrations, weddings, trips and county fairs, etc., and felt like they had been "played". that could have made shift change a tad "iffy" when all parties met in the parking lot.
just throwing out possibilities, all MOO.
Beachpatty

[StickyBeak]

I thought the articles mention of the Mother referred to Crystal's Mother since she was the one who started spewing to the press.
LE was called to divert Mr. Cummings specifically, I agree with beachpatty, Sure burnt his bridges with this company, JMO

[Texas48]

Many of you may recall Gayle St. John from the Casey case. It appears Gayle will be heading to Fla. this week to search for Adji and Haleigh.

http://psychicgalestjohn.com/member/forum/index.php/topic,585.0.html
Oh My Gosh//I am so glad someone is including little Adji..

[TxLady2]

It was publicized that Ron intended to go back to work on that Monday. Unfortunately for him, he had not bothered to even contact them during the two months prior, so they had no choice but to let him go. They called the deputies in just in case he lost his temper and made a big scene. I don't blame the co. at all... they cannot hold a job indefinitely, and it was his place to call them, or go in and talk to them, to find out if he still had a job. Instead, he just shows up... how immature is that? Sounds like something a teenager would do... not a grown man with a family.
I guess taking time to go to the fair, go mudbogging, get married and go to NYC was more important to him. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He should have at least tried to keep his job. The co. was under no obligation to contact him or hold the job for him. It was HIS responsibility to talk to them.... he didn't care.

[StickyBeak]

Do you have a link to ( my bold)? I have not seen that information, so I am hoping for a link. OR, is this the same as last week about the " family imposter"?...still waiting on that one.

Family Imposter??? What, maybe that person is the EXTREMIST...
I missed all of this as well, yes, Links please. :blink:

[StickyBeak]

Honestly, I don't know how anyone could work with their child missing. ( Well, except searching,etc)

What bother's me, is Ron could get married, but not take a few minutes to call his work, or make a stop in their and talk to his boss. The article says, they were willing to give him a leave of absence, but he did not contact them. ( not exact words).


It seems very odd, wonder if company even contacted Ron the next day or just assumed he would not be in work because Haleigh was reported missing. Perhaps the com. took up a collection as well and no thanks or words from RC obviously according to company spokesmen. Both parents not working now, this custody issue will be interesting. JMO

[StickyBeak]

Well, I am sorry I can not give you a link. Candykisses posted about it last week, and I am still waiting on the link. I would like to know more about the " family imposter" she/he is talking about also

Apple, I should have directed my inquiry to CK as well, sorry. I know nothing of extremist and all these phone calls to company implied, but the family imposter, Now that really has me scratching my head. Is this for real. I will wait. TY

[CANDYKISSES]

Good post. I think you are starting to see things differently. As far as them not having the best interest of the children, I agree to a point. I honestly don't think either of them were bad parents intentionally, I just don't think they know any better. Sadly I have seen children in much worse conditions than these two and believe it or not the kids wound up thriving as they grew. Hopefully this is an eye opener for all involved and even some outsiders looking in.

I am praying that Haleigh is found soon.

Excellent posts Pia and grma. What you have posted is so true and often those same children grow up and out of the cycle now. Thank God for the most part there is hope for them. I am trying to hold on to a glimmer of that same hope for Haleigh and that it will be a wake-up call for all those who love Haleigh and Junior. :thumbup:

The more time that goes by, the less likely it is she will be found alive IMOO. :sad:

[StickyBeak]

Bam Bam, I remember reading Gail St John was with her daughter, perhaps on spring vacation, and flying into Orlando. Perhaps bring her daughter home then onto Immokalee. Seemed strange she could fly right into Ft. Myers. At any rate, although I am skeptical any help would be appreciated. I honestly don't have good feeling about finding little Adji or Haleigh myself. JMO

[beachpatty]

It seems very odd, wonder if company even contacted Ron the next day or just assumed he would not be in work because Haleigh was reported missing. Perhaps the com. took up a collection as well and no thanks or words from RC obviously according to company spokesmen. Both parents not working now, this custody issue will be interesting. JMO


My guess would be that they did not contact him, thinking he was probably extremely tied up with the investigation/search, not wanting to bother him in such a heart wrenching crisis situation. I would at least expect someone, that Friday after or even the following Monday, that a family member, GM or even GGM, would have called and at least given an update or the fact that there was nothing to update and someone from the family would stay in touch on a regular basis, at least giving them some window of time as to how long Ron might be out of work, request info on how to go about getting a leave of absence. I can't imagine any company willing to hold a position, indefinitely, especially if he was part of a line/production crew. One of the few things, aside from my missing child, on my mind, would be trying to secure comtinued employment, to support my family, once my child was found.

MOO
beachpatty

[BANJO GRANNY]

GMA haven't posted in a while, but have been reading posts. Had to take a break, this case was starting to really get to me. After the Cantu case I just realized how sick this world really is and if someone wants your child they will probably succeed. after stepping back and looking at all of this, I listened to the 911 call again and as much as I think RC is controlling and abusive, I do think his emotions in that call were genuine. 911 operators have to ask certain questions and the person reporting an emergency wants action immediately and that is what causes the frustration. Then I showed the custody transcript to my daughter(who went thru similar situation) and the first thing she asked was why she didn't go to court better prepared? Everyone knows you have to support your children, provide a decent home and daycare.
So I came to the conclusion that neither parent had the best interest in mind for these children. So sadly little Haleigh became the victim. so I am only interested in any new leads on Haleigh. I do hope she is found soon. IMO

I agree 100%
Wonderful post.

[?noanswer]

Maybe some of the co workers that reportedly gave up some of their vaca time to help Ron (no link, just hearsay & MOO), found out that moneys were being spent on dinner celebrations, weddings, trips and county fairs, etc., and felt like they had been "played". that could have made shift change a tad "iffy" when all parties met in the parking lot.
just throwing out possibilities, all MOO.
Beachpatty

I'm wondering if the co workers giving vacation time to Ron was true. The article that stated he was no longer working also says he did not call in. Seems to me that RC would have had to be in contact with the Co. in order for any kind of action. Also what happened to privacy for employees? JMO

[?noanswer]

GMA haven't posted in a while, but have been reading posts. Had to take a break, this case was starting to really get to me. After the Cantu case I just realized how sick this world really is and if someone wants your child they will probably succeed. after stepping back and looking at all of this, I listened to the 911 call again and as much as I think RC is controlling and abusive, I do think his emotions in that call were genuine. 911 operators have to ask certain questions and the person reporting an emergency wants action immediately and that is what causes the frustration. Then I showed the custody transcript to my daughter(who went thru similar situation) and the first thing she asked was why she didn't go to court better prepared? Everyone knows you have to support your children, provide a decent home and daycare.
So I came to the conclusion that neither parent had the best interest in mind for these children. So sadly little Haleigh became the victim. so I am only interested in any new leads on Haleigh. I do hope she is found soon. IMO


You are correct. Neither the maternal or paternal side of the family is anything to write home about. It is so sad that any child has to grow up in that kind of environment. I just hope that the mystery of Haleigh is solved. JMO

[Squidward]

The hearing documents that I read were time-stamped Jan 4, 2007.

Ron said he worked for Superior Construction...page 8, line 16. So it was a different job, unless that's a part of PDM Bridge.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

Also the article about the job loss states that he's had custody since '05. I think the hearing in '07 was due to allegations of his cocaine use and a subsequent accident where the children were in the car, brought on by Crystal.

It's pretty confusing and who knows how many jobs he's had and lost, imo.

Thanks for the info Tiffany! I bet the accident was when that hearing was from.

[Motomom]

Wasn't she the one who said she could see Caylee in with brown dirt, flowers and trees with water surrounding her? :confused:

I'm not much on the psychics but hey, desperate times call for desperate measures. JMO


:seeya: Hi Candy and everyone..Tuba lessons went well :thumbsup: Just wanted to jump in here with my opinion. I'm a big believer in pyschics, but not sure about GSJ. She was awfully close to finding Caylee.. I haven't looked to see what she has said about Haleigh yet though. I'm not sure we really need anyone else interjecting themselves into this case, but whatever works at this point.. like you said, desperate times.

I'm still of the opinion that neither one of the parents had anything to do with haleighs disappearance and I'm still not sure about Misty. It doesn't look like there has been much news in this case since I been gone, unless I"m missing it.

I see Ron lost his job..He should have went back IMO. then again, I can't imagine wanting to get out of bed if my daughter was missing, but.. you have to live.. with the economy as bad as it is,he should have at the very least called and made arrangments and it doesn't sound like he did.

[Motomom]

Honestly, I don't know how anyone could work with their child missing. ( Well, except searching,etc)

What bother's me, is Ron could get married, but not take a few minutes to call his work, or make a stop at his work and talk to his boss. The article says, they were willing to give him a leave of absence, but he did not contact them. ( not exact words).

He should have called this company, regardless of what else he did or didn't do. I would think that he would have called them asap, he should have. I mean, in the beginning I can understand an outsider calling his company to let them know what happened, but after a few weeks he should have called them himself IMO. There is no excuse for that IMO. I don't think he should be burnt at the stake for it, but no excuse, he should have called.

As to someone else post about him going on "trips". I'm glad he was invited on to the today show, or whichever one it was. It kept Haleighs face out there IMO. He didn't go on there talking about his wedding, new marriage like some thought he was going to, I think he tried to keep it about Haleigh, so I'm glad he went there.

[titanfan217]

He should have called this company, regardless of what else he did or didn't do. I would think that he would have called them asap, he should have. I mean, in the beginning I can understand an outsider calling his company to let them know what happened, but after a few weeks he should have called them himself IMO. There is no excuse for that IMO. I don't think he should be burnt at the stake for it, but no excuse, he should have called.

As to someone else post about him going on "trips". I'm glad he was invited on to the today show, or whichever one it was. It kept Haleighs face out there IMO. He didn't go on there talking about his wedding, new marriage like some thought he was going to, I think he tried to keep it about Haleigh, so I'm glad he went there.

The going to NY reference was not fault that he did was on GMA, but the time required. The interview could have been done from Florida if he was that short of time that he couldn't call his work. Maybe "had time to get a tattoo" would have been a better comment.

[CANDYKISSES]

:seeya: Hi Candy and everyone..Tuba lessons went well :thumbsup: Just wanted to jump in here with my opinion. I'm a big believer in pyschics, but not sure about GSJ. She was awfully close to finding Caylee.. I haven't looked to see what she has said about Haleigh yet though. I'm not sure we really need anyone else interjecting themselves into this case, but whatever works at this point.. like you said, desperate times.

I'm still of the opinion that neither one of the parents had anything to do with haleighs disappearance and I'm still not sure about Misty. It doesn't look like there has been much news in this case since I been gone, unless I"m missing it.

I see Ron lost his job..He should have went back IMO. then again, I can't imagine wanting to get out of bed if my daughter was missing, but.. you have to live.. with the economy as bad as it is,he should have at the very least called and made arrangments and it doesn't sound like he did.

Good afternoon Motomom, I agree the matter with his employer doesn't sound like a responsible move and I'm surprised Kimball didn't have more of an impact on something like that. JMO tho.

I would still contend there was not a threat or it would have been made clear either BY LE or the COMPANY PIO, and I pointed out a sentence where it is alleged this wouldn't be the first time they have utilized security. I'd call that being pro-active myself. Given some of the allegations being thrown around, I might seek to make sure everyone's best interests were served too. JMO THO.

:wub:HOPE FOR HALEIGH!

[CANDYKISSES]

I can remember Gary Bowling labeling this case as an ABDUCTION given that she is a FIVE year old AFRAID OF THE DARK as we have been told. :confused:

I still say Ron and Crystal are simply cut from the same cloth and failed to put their children FIRST, whether it was removing them from alleged abuse or using drugs in that kind of environment IMO.

One is no better than the other with regard to those issues, but Ron did hold down a job and followed up on the medical care for a child with ongoing medical needs IMO. So, if you want to go with the lesser of two evils, at least he put their care on the radar screen.

Crystal's new life seemed to be going along just fine and she had started ANOTHER FAMILY but still managed to see her first two children twice a month even being in deep arrears on child support.

JMO, but I don't see anything other than bitter old battles between the two biological parents and I for one will never believe a FORMER MARINE/FORMER DEPUTY would stand by as his daughter was getting beatings and could stand in court as a witness to the use of drugs in front of his grandchildren. IT DEFIES LOGIC UNLESS JOHNNY AND RON were buddies first. AGAIN, JMO.

I think DCF should be involved at this point, but to think all those suffering in silence over ABUSE doled out by Ron are too afraid to step forward is too much for me. I don't think the fairytale the Sheffield clan cooked up is worth much and is taken with a box of salt by me.

The over the top moment for me was when Crystal willingly put her child face forward in those cameras while the abductor could be watching and made JUNIOR AN EYE-WITNESS on NATIONAL TV courtesy of the RIVERA BROTHERS. JMO but....barf

[CANDYKISSES]

I remember how people reacted when they played Cynthia Sommer's 911 call...how she was faking, she was guilty, yada yada yada....Well we all know what happened in that case don't we?

People's reactions in all circumstances are never going to be the same. Never having been in Ron Cummings shoes, (Thank God) I don't know how he 'should' have sounded, I don't think there is a way he should have sounded...unless he said on the call "I did it", I don't care how anyone interprets the call. His child was missing and I pray to God that none of here have to go through that so that we can attest to how we sound during that call.

Pia, you would still be washing my mouth out if I came home from work to find one of my babies missing. JMO :cursing:

[bama__angel]

Is this another one of those post like when you said " I know Ron, etc".

I have waited A LONG TIME to hear about that one..lol



Excuse me: A poster on the Sandra board said that CNN had reported that the sheriff from Putnam County had reported that Haleigh may have been found....Is anyone watching CNN and have you heard this reported? TIA

[playnice]

Excuse me: A poster on the Sandra board said that CNN had reported that the sheriff from Putnam County had reported that Haleigh may have been found....Is anyone watching CNN and have you heard this reported? TIA

Reading at work and saw that and came to this board and dont see anything? God I hope its true. scared to get my hopes up.

[jewel6]

I saw that post too! :scared:

[playnice]

I saw that post too! :scared:

My heart is pounding. Please post something if anyone confirms this.

[?noanswer]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/041609cummings_attorney_fires_back


Ron's atty. re job JMO

[bama__angel]

Reading at work and saw that and came to this board and dont see anything? God I hope its true. scared to get my hopes up.



I am scared to get my hopes up also......But the poster said it was on CNN......I pray it's true and she is alive.....

[CANDYKISSES]

i saw that post too! :scared:

hln???????????

[Texas48]

Not very bright to escape from a jail. LOL. No laughing matter, I know. The original vehicle has been found abandoned and they have description of one they are in now, but no tag number.does it say which way they are headed?..do they have any idea where they are now? lol..Look at me tring to get bam to be my(our) broadcaster..lol. keep up the *updates*..lol..laughing but not kidding bam..we need news..

[bama__angel]

All they are showing now is Obama and Mexico



On the Sandra board, aproudmom stated that A Putnam County sheriff had reported that Haleigh may have been found.......No other details.....I thought proudmom stated that this was from CNN....

[Texas48]

Second hand quote, " this child has like, just vanish in thin air. I have never seen anything like it." Per Sheriff Hardy. As I said, second hand information from someone I know who is in contact with Sheriff Hardy.
This sounds like very little information on this child. I was very sad to hear this.
Prayers to the families of this child.
Prayers for Haileigh.........This isn't good to hear at all bam..but TY.

[?noanswer]

On the Sandra board, aproudmom stated that A Putnam County sheriff had reported that Haleigh may have been found.......No other details.....I thought proudmom stated that this was from CNN....

I just looked on Sandra board. Poster had heard the co. and thought it was about Haleigh, but was about the two escapees. JMO

[bama__angel]

I just looked on Sandra board. Poster had heard the co. and thought it was about Haleigh, but was about the two escapees. JMO



I see....I apologize for posting anything here.....I am truly sorry......

[Texas48]

Does that tell you about second hand talk. i am always amaze how stories get so turned around. I just spoke with my friend who called me and she says, I thought i heard Monroe and I figured it was Monroe county. Monroe county in Florida is down in the Keys. Go figure. sorry ...She is a widow who lives in Keystone and the one mans father lives there so she is getting calls from all her friends. Everyone worried about her safety, because of exactly where she lives.lol..lol..bam..that is funny no matter how you look at it..here I was all prepared for broadcast live from the scene..Florida. Waiting on the *bombshell*. lol .

[?noanswer]

I see....I apologize for posting anything here.....I am truly sorry......

I was not dissing your post. I just happened to go to the SC board at the time the poster was correcting her information. I was anxious to find out any details. JMO

[beachpatty]

i'm searching everywhere, nothing yet:( what did it say, was it a crawler?

beachpatty

[Texas48]

The silence from both camps is eerie...Hopefully they(LE) have something, some angle they are working. JMOI'm really beginning to wounder grma..KWIM?

[Texas48]

I've not seen him display any type of true grief. The stages of grief are very slow, and usually one "works" through them. Anger, is not the first stage of grief. That comes much later. This guy is guilty as far as I'm concerned. He and Misty did something to this child, she is gone & most likely she is dead. I do not for a 2nd believe this was an abduction. I dont think LE believes their BS either. I wonder when those 30 hours of interrogation tapes w/Misty will be released to the media?would LE release the tapes to the media w/o an arrest? anyone?

[?noanswer]

would LE release the tapes to the media w/o an arrest? anyone?

I don't know if they would even release them after an arrest. They are not admissable as evidence; therefore I don't think they would be covered under the sunshine law. I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, therefore JMO

[?noanswer]

My thoughts are the same in the beginning. Re: Ron, Misty, and the kids. Then the turnaround as you say. Because, supposedly she started hearing bad things. Ok, I get that. What bothers me is why no one notified Crystal of what they saw or heard. No one supposedly stepped in, or called the police. And I honestly don't care what the reasons were, we are talking about 2 little kids.
jmo

I wonder if some of those people got caught up in the media attention that was being paid to CS and assumed the role of a CS groupie and wanted to get in her good graces. There were a bunch of people standing around during the GR interview. It always amazes me how a TV camera will bring out a lot of people. JMO

[Texas48]

I can remember Gary Bowling labeling this case as an ABDUCTION given that she is a FIVE year old AFRAID OF THE DARK as we have been told. :confused:

I still say Ron and Crystal are simply cut from the same cloth and failed to put their children FIRST, whether it was removing them from alleged abuse or using drugs in that kind of environment IMO.

One is no better than the other with regard to those issues, but Ron did hold down a job and followed up on the medical care for a child with ongoing medical needs IMO. So, if you want to go with the lesser of two evils, at least he put their care on the radar screen.

Crystal's new life seemed to be going along just fine and she had started ANOTHER FAMILY but still managed to see her first two children twice a month even being in deep arrears on child support.

JMO, but I don't see anything other than bitter old battles between the two biological parents and I for one will never believe a FORMER MARINE/FORMER DEPUTY would stand by as his daughter was getting beatings and could stand in court as a witness to the use of drugs in front of his grandchildren. IT DEFIES LOGIC UNLESS JOHNNY AND RON were buddies first. AGAIN, JMO.

I think DCF should be involved at this point, but to think all those suffering in silence over ABUSE doled out by Ron are too afraid to step forward is too much for me. I don't think the fairytale the Sheffield clan cooked up is worth much and is taken with a box of salt by me.

The over the top moment for me was when Crystal willingly put her child face forward in those cameras while the abductor could be watching and made JUNIOR AN EYE-WITNESS on NATIONAL TV courtesy of the RIVERA BROTHERS. JMO but....barfdid you feel the same about Ron when pictures were taken at the resturant where he got on bended knee and proposed to Misty? Jr's face was in those photos..knowing good and well those pictures would end up on Nat. TV. :confused:

[Texas48]

What has me baffled is when Crystal came to Satsuma, she said the children were doing well with RC and they seemed to like Misty, we even saw a picture where she was comforting him, then all of a sudden a turn around. It was said she found out things after she came there and that's when her feelings changed. This whole case is confusing. I am also afraid that DCFS works terribly slow, you would think this would be an emergency, but they do take their time and after they get their findings it takes a while to get a court date. But again that is the custody issue and I wonder how it will turn out this time. Wouldn't it be great if these two could work out some sort of truce and focus on Haleigh, maybe agree on some sort of joint custody. I would think that these children have formed a mutual bond between them, while I don't like my ex at all, If something happened to one of my children I would want his help because at least I knew He loved the children as much as I do. IMOExcellent post grma...excellent.

[Themis]

Pia,

Speaking for myself, we gage people by their actions, words, demeanor, even by what they don't do in any particular situation.

Many of us have listened to that 911 call by Misty and Ron, and we've read the transcripts. People react differently in situations, obviously, but to me, Ron's words, actions, his inaction, during that call send up glaring red flags.

A few things:

1. Why wasn't he the one to make the 911 call? He is the parent and the only adult in that situation.

2. Why was he so angry? It is "normal" to be upset and scared and frantic; but this man was homicidal, making death threats, and behaving in a very intimidating way. I shudder to think of what Misty, and especially Ron Jr. (if he was there) were feeling.

3. Why wasn't he looking for Haleigh instead of hanging out close to Misty, shouting and cursing and hanging up the phone. The operator had to ask Misty to speak with Ron. Why wasn't Ron on the phone initially?

4. When the operator called back, Ron answered and she wanted to speak with Misty. Misty could be heard, almost broken down, crying that she didn't want to talk to the operator.

5. It sounds like, from the news we do have, that there was more than one phone. Misty had called Ron, who was there already, according to him. Why would Ron need to hang up on the 911 dispatcher a second time in order to call whoever he considered was a better person to call? There was more than one phone.

6. WHY wouldn't either of them, but especially the father, be forthcoming with Haleigh's vital information? Ron didn't mind talking. He made sure the operator heard that he was at work, that he knew someone "stole" his child, but he didn't even try to describe her or help in finding her.

These are just some of the things that stand out to me and are my opinions.


Another excellent post from you, Seeker; and, and usual, so well written.

I agree with your take on the 911 call. Bugout's post #59 and Jo's #69 say what I have thought, too.

[JMO * Themis]

[Texas48]

Pia,

Speaking for myself, we gage people by their actions, words, demeanor, even by what they don't do in any particular situation.

Many of us have listened to that 911 call by Misty and Ron, and we've read the transcripts. People react differently in situations, obviously, but to me, Ron's words, actions, his inaction, during that call send up glaring red flags.

A few things:

1. Why wasn't he the one to make the 911 call? He is the parent and the only adult in that situation.

2. Why was he so angry? It is "normal" to be upset and scared and frantic; but this man was homicidal, making death threats, and behaving in a very intimidating way. I shudder to think of what Misty, and especially Ron Jr. (if he was there) were feeling.

3. Why wasn't he looking for Haleigh instead of hanging out close to Misty, shouting and cursing and hanging up the phone. The operator had to ask Misty to speak with Ron. Why wasn't Ron on the phone initially?

4. When the operator called back, Ron answered and she wanted to speak with Misty. Misty could be heard, almost broken down, crying that she didn't want to talk to the operator.

5. It sounds like, from the news we do have, that there was more than one phone. Misty had called Ron, who was there already, according to him. Why would Ron need to hang up on the 911 dispatcher a second time in order to call whoever he considered was a better person to call? There was more than one phone.

6. WHY wouldn't either of them, but especially the father, be forthcoming with Haleigh's vital information? Ron didn't mind talking. He made sure the operator heard that he was at work, that he knew someone "stole" his child, but he didn't even try to describe her or help in finding her.

These are just some of the things that stand out to me and are my opinions.

My goodness..that was so good seeker..hand clap for this one..:thumbup:

[frances1]

[QUOTE=Tiffany;13014091]YW Yes, the accident prompted Crystal to bring this before the magistrate for consideration. After reading the documents, it's my understanding that her brother was with Ron and told her that Ron was high on cocaine and had an accident with the children in the car. I don't understand why her brother didn't show up to testify on her behalf. Maybe he was afraid to be implicated. Maybe he was also doing cocaine, idk. I'm just speculating.

Aside from her mother she didn't seem to have a lot of support at the time. I'm glad she has KP now. KP seems very capable and determined to right some of the wrongs.

I find it interesting that those that object to judgements of Ron are so quick to judge Crystal. Neither of them have been ideal parents but imo, if the children had been placed with her, we wouldn't be posting about Haleigh now.

Ron took those children and refused to give them back He worked the system, probably with the help of TN, moved out of his mothers house, who he assured the magistrate would be watching the children while he was at work and charmed the pants off of a 16 yr old live-in babysitter for his own pleasure and convenience and the rest is history.

Unfortunately Haleigh paid the price for the sins of the father.

AMO[/QUOTE

I seldom come to this board because so many posts were directed to custody issues. I see it continues.

[Texas48]

I agree with you. ronald's reaction upon arriving home was totally off, imo. For one thing if he had actually seen the side door propped open, why didn't he race out screaming Haleigh's name at the top of his lungs. His failure to do that was a huge red flag to me.

Your points on his over the top wailing is spot on as over acting for the 911 operator.

The answer to where is Haleigh resides with ronald and misty, imo.
For me as well Jo..the 911 call started off waving red flags..I do know everybody acts different in different circumstances but something was way off with Ron's actions..then the pieces didn't seem to fit after that..nothing seemed *right* no matter which way you looked at it. No SO would have known Haleigh's bed was where it was..we have been over everything there is...all which is little signs pointing in Ron's direction. I continue to believe LE knew something from the start and there had to be a good reason for LE removing wall by the water heater. there are just pieces missing and if LE would only let go of some info to the public they may see results..what LE is doing now just isn't panning out and they need to re-group..I know in my heart LE is working behind the scenes..I waver back and forth if they are giving up..I just don't know what is going to happen to this little girl...there was a post some time ago that said if and when little Haleigh's body is found it will most likely be an accident...hunters come across her little body or something similar..how sad.

[Texas48]

Reading at work and saw that and came to this board and dont see anything? God I hope its true. scared to get my hopes up.If its true then I am scared as to *how* they found her.

[crymeariver2006]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/041609cummings_attorney_fires_back


Ron's atty. re job JMO

Why do all of Ron's attorney's responses include the words "fires back"? One would think they would be proactive in promoting their client instead of reactive all the time.

Interesting line in the article:

Kimball said the article was not correct – that Ron was told that his employer was holding his job open. Kimball alleges that Ron was told by his employer that he could start back to work the Monday following Haleigh’s disappearance. He was prepared to go into work when he was told the Friday before that the offer was being withdrawn.



That's been nearly two months ago. Has he made no effort to contact them since then?

And then there's this:

“Ron expressed his displeasure with the company for going back on its word, but at no time threatened anyone,” Kimball wrote in the press release.



Who said anything about him "threatening" anyone? PDM sure didn't. They acted like it was common to have the PCSO there. Didn't they?

[Texas48]

bama, when things are moving fast a lot of misinformation is heard. I did the same thing a friend mistaken Monroe County to be in Florida, which in the keys. Nope it was Kentucky. As I said the news can be a little misleading in some of these cases.
No need for bama to feel bad..absolutely not. It happends to us all..right bam? lol

[Texas48]

That is what bothers me too....maybe a case of not wanting to get involved or exaggerated claims...I really don't know, but what I do know is a child needs both parents in their lives even if they are not the pillars of society UNLESS they are harming them. IF he was then I hope he gets what is coming to him...If he wasn't these kids need both parents in their lives. Hope the courts figure all of this out....Maybe King Solomon needed here. And to Seeker I do think he is abusive to women, but that's just me, Crystal and Amber got out, but is he abusive to the children? Yes there is a difference...try to keep a child from his dad because he may or may not have hurt you and watch it come back to bite you in the end.JMOWell said..

[Texas48]

YW Yes, the accident prompted Crystal to bring this before the magistrate for consideration. After reading the documents, it's my understanding that her brother was with Ron and told her that Ron was high on cocaine and had an accident with the children in the car. I don't understand why her brother didn't show up to testify on her behalf. Maybe he was afraid to be implicated. Maybe he was also doing cocaine, idk. I'm just speculating.

Aside from her mother she didn't seem to have a lot of support at the time. I'm glad she has KP now. KP seems very capable and determined to right some of the wrongs.

I find it interesting that those that object to judgements of Ron are so quick to judge Crystal. Neither of them have been ideal parents but imo, if the children had been placed with her, we wouldn't be posting about Haleigh now.

Ron took those children and refused to give them back He worked the system, probably with the help of TN, moved out of his mothers house, who he assured the magistrate would be watching the children while he was at work and charmed the pants off of a 16 yr old live-in babysitter for his own pleasure and convenience and the rest is history.

Unfortunately Haleigh paid the price for the sins of the father.

AMOI have always woundered if they left the bed frame in Haleigh's bedroom so when DCS came by to *check in* and see how the kids were..all Ron or Misty had to do was quickly place the mattress back on the frame and no one the wiser. This way each child had their own bedroom..??

[Texas48]

I'm not going to quote your post because you didn't quote mine properly, but wadr why you choose to come here is your decision and no reflection on me. We all have the option to skip and scroll, join in the discussion or not.

I don't appreciate you singling me out when discussions of custody has been a topic since the beginning.

Have a pleasant day.Gosh..Tiffany..that poster *rode* in and rode right back out..lol..

[JackiBlu]

YW Yes, the accident prompted Crystal to bring this before the magistrate for consideration. After reading the documents, it's my understanding that her brother was with Ron and told her that Ron was high on cocaine and had an accident with the children in the car. I don't understand why her brother didn't show up to testify on her behalf. Maybe he was afraid to be implicated. Maybe he was also doing cocaine, idk. I'm just speculating.

Aside from her mother she didn't seem to have a lot of support at the time. I'm glad she has KP now. KP seems very capable and determined to right some of the wrongs.

I find it interesting that those that object to judgements of Ron are so quick to judge Crystal. Neither of them have been ideal parents but imo, if the children had been placed with her, we wouldn't be posting about Haleigh now.

Ron took those children and refused to give them back He worked the system, probably with the help of TN, moved out of his mothers house, who he assured the magistrate would be watching the children while he was at work and charmed the pants off of a 16 yr old live-in babysitter for his own pleasure and convenience and the rest is history.

Unfortunately Haleigh paid the price for the sins of the father.

AMO

It's ok for Crystal to have the support of her mother but NOT for Ron to have the support of his mother? Why the difference?????

Also, it has not been proved Haleigh paid any price for "the sins" of her father. What would those sins be? TYI

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Have you ever had anything stolen from you?? The first reaction is ANGER. A very precious child was stolen out of her home, Yes he was angry, I think most here on this board have said the same.
LE does not believe the father had any involvement in this child's disappearance. MOO

Yes, a purse. And no, anger wasn't my first emotion. It was fear that the perp would find my house keys and be waiting in my house when I got there.

And a purse is easy to replace. The anger comes later when you have to cancel all your credit cards, have your locks changed at your own expense, and then fight with the DMV to prove you are who you say you are.

A purse is property. A Child is not. Anger should have been way down the list of emotions for Ron Cummings that night. Unless his anger was directed toward Misty which some of you don't believe.

[crymeariver2006]

You have a good point Texas.

I wonder if DCS checked in at all. This is the same DCS that said using a weapon (switch) on a child was an acceptable form of discipline.

Yes and they will probably come and say the same thing again.

It doesn't matter that we (and Crystal) believe that hitting children with weapons and leaving marks is child abuse, DCF apparently thinks it's "natural discipline". THAT is why Ron still has Jr.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Perhaps if your big screen tv was snatched, you'd be angry. But in my opinion, having your child taken out of your home would produce shock, not anger.

He might have actually looked for that!

IMO

[JackiBlu]

He might have actually looked for that!

IMO

Ron is the one that begged Tim Miller NOT to leave. Seems if he didn't want Haleigh looked for he would have been happy that Tim Miller was leaving.

JMO

[Themis]

I have always woundered if they left the bed frame in Haleigh's bedroom so when DCS came by to *check in* and see how the kids were..all Ron or Misty had to do was quickly place the mattress back on the frame and no one the wiser. This way each child had their own bedroom..??
Bingo! You got it, Texas.
Bedframes were left in the children's 'assigned rooms' in case DCS made an unannounced visit.
Mattress(es) could quickly be put back on the frame.
Or, if mattress(es) were found to be in the master bedroom it could be explained away easily with an excuse that they were just going to vacuum or clean the carpet, etc. [JMO * Themis]

[crymeariver2006]

I still can't wrap my head around that. It really angers me that the very people that are paid to protect children could approve of such a barbaric form of dicipline. :angry:

Approve? Heck, they even INSTRUCT according to Ron.

Oh and his "daddy and child agreement" - let's not forget that one!

[jtazzy]

OMG they have not found this child yet??? I use to live in Florida and was following this before I moved to Alabama. My heart goes out to this small precious child. My God bring her home soon..

[crymeariver2006]

Ron is the one that begged Tim Miller NOT to leave. Seems if he didn't want Haleigh looked for he would have been happy that Tim Miller was leaving.

JMO

Tim Miller was only there for two days (IIRC). How many days has Ron searched? Is Tim Miller the only person in the US who can go out and search for a missing child?

[JackiBlu]

Tim Miller was only there for two days (IIRC). How many days has Ron searched? Is Tim Miller the only person in the US who can go out and search for a missing child?

You totally missed my point. Ron wanted him to stay longer so Haleigh could be found. Tim Miller is the best at what he does. If he was hiding anything why ask Tim to stay?

LE does not want parents of missing children out searching. I think that is standard in missing children cases. I can't seem to remember any case that parents went out and searched. If I have forgotten some, sorry in advance.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Well the slinging has begun, I am signing off.

What slinging?

Do you know how many days he searched after Tim Miller left?

[crymeariver2006]

You totally missed my point. Ron wanted him to stay longer so Haleigh could be found. Tim Miller is the best at what he does. If he was hiding anything why ask Tim to stay?

LE does not want parents of missing children out searching. I think that is standard in missing children cases. I can't seem to remember any case that parents went out and searched. If I have forgotten some, sorry in advance.

JMO

It is "said" that Ron wanted Tim to stay longer.

My question remains, even though Tim did not stay, what did Ron do to assist or support or encourage any searches for his missing child?

[JackiBlu]

It is "said" that Ron wanted Tim to stay longer.

My question remains, even though Tim did not stay, what did Ron do to assist or support or encourage any searches for his missing child?

It really doesn't matter what Ron did. For some it just isn't enough and never will be.

JMO

[Themis]

You totally missed my point. Ron wanted him to stay longer so Haleigh could be found. Tim Miller is the best at what he does. If he was hiding anything why ask Tim to stay?

LE does not want parents of missing children out searching. I think that is standard in missing children cases. I can't seem to remember any case that parents went out and searched. If I have forgotten some, sorry in advance.

JMO
<I bolded text>
While others disagree and I do understand that, I agree with Law Enforcement on this for all the obvious reasons. All one has to do is think back to JonBenet Ramsey.
On the other hand, I do not recall reading about Ron being the impetus for--or actively involved in planning searches duriing those the early days.
That was before LE asked that no more volunteer searches be conducted, and I can understand why LE stated that, too.
[JMO * Themis]

[Texas48]

You have a good point Texas.

I wonder if DCS checked in at all. This is the same DCS that said using a weapon (switch) on a child was an acceptable form of discipline.Yep..the same Tiffany. If DCS has a case they will continue to check on the children at any given time..With having that small mattress it would take no time to throw it on the bedframe and there you have it.

[Texas48]

Bingo! You got it, Texas.
Bedframes were left in the children's 'assigned rooms' in case DCS made an unannounced visit.
Mattress(es) could quickly be put back on the frame.
Or, if mattress(es) were found to be in the master bedroom it could be explained away easily with an excuse that they were just going to vacuum or clean the carpet, etc. [JMO * Themis]exactly Themis.. you get a knock on the door..you have plenty of time to throw the mattress in the direction of her bedroom..all done.

[Texas48]

Thank you, Texas. You are so kind and it's good getting to know you here.
Back at ya seeker..:thumbsup:

[Themis]

exactly Themis.. you get a knock on the door..you have plenty of time to throw the mattress in the direction of her bedroom..all done.
You know, I still go back to Ron saying early on that he himself bought and installed new locks from Walmart for that side wood door. When asked why, he responded something to the effect: to prevent exactly this from happening. He said he installed those locks high so the kids could not reach them but we learned that was not true -- Haleigh could easily reach the secondary deadbolt lock. And he said he purposefully installed it so it would be difficult to open and close.

But I have not read or seen him talk about doing the same for the front door where, once inside the screened porch, a burgler, or intruder, or a potential kidnapper would have been invisible to people driving by or a police car on routine patrol.

Then to have both children sleep in the master bedroom with Misty. OK, it has been said maybe both kids were scared for various reasons.
They had moved into that particular mobile home back in November (a few Christmas decorations were still found displayed in the MH on one of the tours) so why were the kids afraid after 2 months in a new home?

Were they the ones fearful or was Ron the one who wanted them all huddled in one room?
Was he anticipating an intruder?

[JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

Many of you may recall Gayle St. John from the Casey case. It appears Gayle will be heading to Fla. this week to search for Adji and Haleigh.

http://psychicgalestjohn.com/member/forum/index.php/topic,585.0.html

really I remember when she worked on caylees case
I pray these children can come home:rose:

[aproudmom]

so dad lost his job I see..bet they will have people calling there to grip about that one...

[Themis]

<snipped and bolded for my reply>

He has raised a son who has turned out to be a great young man and now serves in the Marines(6 years) and has custody of his 3 year old daughter. Time out works for her but again she is a spunky little girl and sometimes even puts herself in time out. Now that is funny when she does that.
He stated I definitly don't belive in beating a child,but a slap across the butt is not going to harm them.:chicken:
Now, that's funny and I surely need a laugh today.:smile:

[titanfan217]

You have a good point Texas.

I wonder if DCS checked in at all. This is the same DCS that said using a weapon (switch) on a child was an acceptable form of discipline.

I've been concerned about my 2 little grandsons. The comment given to me about state child services was if they see food on the table and a place to sleep, they'll often walk away.

[aproudmom]

Tim Miller was only there for two days (IIRC). How many days has Ron searched? Is Tim Miller the only person in the US who can go out and search for a missing child?

kidfinders..:wink:would not call them if my dog was missing..

[jerry50]

I just saw this:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-father-loses-job-story,0,5007318.story


SHorter link to front page:

www.orlandosentinel.com

[jerry50]

I just started a new thread with this information from
www.orlandosentinel.com

Ron Cummings had not been in contact with his employer since Haleigh's disappearance and has been fired from his job.

[titanfan217]

The company has no reason to lie.

[crymeariver2006]

Sorry in advance to everyone. When I read the above post these words popped into my head:

Except, children talk.

My opinion and not meant to offend anyone.



Sad that today there is one less child to "talk" about events in the Cummings household.

:sad:

[crymeariver2006]

kidfinders..:wink:would not call them if my dog was missing..

LOL, they should change their name 'cause they've never actually found a kid, have they?

[crymeariver2006]

It really doesn't matter what Ron did. For some it just isn't enough and never will be.

JMO

Well we all have our opinions to which we are entitled.

[JackiBlu]

Bam-Bam,

"THING?" "STOLEN?"

This is a little girl, a human being, not a THING. Since when are human beings STOLEN?

Anger is definitely NOT everyone's first reaction, and we are definitely not talking about "something stolen from you."

Also, where have you read or heard that Law Enforcement does not believe that the father had any involvement int Haleigh's disappearance?

I apologize for sounding upset, it's just because I am. My strong opinions.




http://www.yourdictionary.com/stolen#synonyms

Stolen synonyms

stolen
modif.

taken, kept, bagged, robbed, filched, purloined, appropriated, impressed, lifted, diverted, abducted, kidnapped, hijacked, shanghaied, spirited away, run off with, poached, sacked, rifled, plagiarized, embezzled, misapproprated, pinched, swiped, ripped off; see also captured.

Websters New World

As you can see stolen can mean abducted and kidnapped. I believe this is just the way Ron talks, nothing more, nothing less. JMO

[bookie]

YW Yes, the accident prompted Crystal to bring this before the magistrate for consideration. After reading the documents, it's my understanding that her brother was with Ron and told her that Ron was high on cocaine and had an accident with the children in the car. I don't understand why her brother didn't show up to testify on her behalf. Maybe he was afraid to be implicated. Maybe he was also doing cocaine, idk. I'm just speculating.

Aside from her mother she didn't seem to have a lot of support at the time. I'm glad she has KP now. KP seems very capable and determined to right some of the wrongs.

I find it interesting that those that object to judgements of Ron are so quick to judge Crystal. Neither of them have been ideal parents but imo, if the children had been placed with her, we wouldn't be posting about Haleigh now.

Ron took those children and refused to give them back He worked the system, probably with the help of TN, moved out of his mothers house, who he assured the magistrate would be watching the children while he was at work and charmed the pants off of a 16 yr old live-in babysitter for his own pleasure and convenience and the rest is history.

Unfortunately Haleigh paid the price for the sins of the father.

AMO



Maybe her brother didn't show up to testify because he knew Ron wasn't high on cocaine. He passed a DCF drug test the day after the accident.

[JackiBlu]

Maybe her brother didn't show up to testify because he knew Ron wasn't high on cocaine. He passed a DCF drug test the day after the accident.

ITA Bookie. It was in the court documents regarding Ron passing a drug test.

[panache]

Did you all catch HLN tonight? It was quite informative. DCYF has sixty days to investigate abuse claims. According to Kim P, it is now around day 40. She claims to be in touch with them frequently.

Lo and behold! Nothing nefarious about Crystal's fiance. He has full custody of his two children. Crystal, a full time mom, cares for them and her daughter.

moo

[bama__angel]

Did you all catch HLN tonight? It was quite informative. DCYF has sixty days to investigate abuse claims. According to Kim P, it is now around day 40. She claims to be in touch with them frequently.

Lo and behold! Nothing nefarious about Crystal's fiance. He has full custody of his two children. Crystal, a full time mom, cares for them and her daughter.

moo

Kim P. actually stated on Live tv that Crystal's fiance had full custody of his 2 children......First time I was aware of this.....Are you sure that she stated this?

[bookie]

As soon as the original article hit, people were assuming that Ron had made threats because the Co had hired police to be there during shift changes.


Not only that but the original "rumor" claimed the police were called after Ron wasn't allowed in and there was a confrontation IIRC.

[JackiBlu]

Kim P. actually stated on Live tv that Crystal's fiance had full custody of his 2 children......First time I was aware of this.....Are you sure that she stated this?

Do we know how many children Chad, Crystal's fiance, actually has? Could these children be from another relationship? If infact it is true he has full custody.

JMO

[panache]

Thanks panache. I missed it. Was it on JVM?

No, the earlier show, before JVM. I always forget his name. But Kim was on live. She has a new *do*. She has bangs now, looks great.

[panache]

Do we know how many children Chad, Crystal's fiance, actually has? Could these children be from another relationship? If infact it is true he has full custody.

JMO

I believe Kim said two.

[bookie]

Cocaine is a stimulant and leaves the body rapidly. Also there are products on the market to clean up the system for urine tests.

I realize that Ron claims he passed a urinalysis (I read the documents) but I am skeptical of anything he says at this point.


Cocaine, or more accurately the metabolite, can show up in urine from 1-3 days to several weeks depending on use. Also...this was a car accident. If the police were called (I don't remember if they were or not) I'm sure they'd have noticed that Ron was high.

[JackiBlu]

Not only that but the original "rumor" claimed the police were called after Ron wasn't allowed in and there was a confrontation IIRC.

Most of this article was totally uncalled for. If his employer was receiving too many calls about Ron's employment status all they needed to do was release a statement that he was no longer emplyoyed with the company.

Most employers would not release so much information on any employee. Why so many details that should be confidential?


JMO

[bookie]

I'm glad you're sure, I'm not.

When you Googled that did you notice all the products for sale to flush the system? It was on the same page that you found the metabolite info. Just scroll down :wink:


Do you think the police would have given him time to run home and take something to flushhis system?

[bookie]

I don't know how it works in Florida but when my daughter was in a car accident a few years ago because she was at fault they did alcohol and drug tests on her from the ER. She didn't even know that they had done it until her boss told her what was on the Workman's Comp bill. When was the drug testing on Ron done? Did he have to go to the hospital?

The drug testing was done the next day at the DCF office.

[CANDYKISSES]

Did you all catch HLN tonight? It was quite informative. DCYF has sixty days to investigate abuse claims. According to Kim P, it is now around day 40. She claims to be in touch with them frequently.

Lo and behold! Nothing nefarious about Crystal's fiance. He has full custody of his two children. Crystal, a full time mom, cares for them and her daughter.

moo

Now that makes even more sense if you looked at her myspace before the makeover. It was stated by Crystal on that site as "taking care of Chloe and the brats".

I stand by my earlier post about her being content with things the way they were and that she had moved on IMO. :sad: She was able to free herself from what she has alleged and then not alleged as abuse, but left the children behind. Never once have I seen anything referring to Crystal taking her first two children for medical attention or an emergency hearing in her NEW LOCATION after she left. JMO

:wub:Hope for Haleigh.

[bookie]

He had a whole day to work on it. He was tested the next day.



If the police were called to the accident scene he would have been tested that night if he appeared under the influence of anything. The police don't wait a day to test. That in itself tells me he probably wasn't high on cocaine.

[panache]

Now that makes even more sense if you looked at her myspace before the makeover. It was stated by Crystal on that site as "taking care of Chloe and the brats".

I stand by my earlier post about her being content with things the way they were and that she had moved on IMO. :sad: She was able to free herself from what she has alleged and then not alleged as abuse, but left the children behind. Never once have I seen anything referring to Crystal taking her first two children for medical attention or an emergency hearing in her NEW LOCATION after she left. JMO

:wub:Hope for Haleigh.

Crystal didn't *leave the children behind*. She had them two weekends a month, holidays were shared, and as I understand from what I previously read, 6 weeks in the summer . It appears she has played an active role in her children's life. And remember Chad's interview when he said the last weekend he saw Haliegh and Junior, they wanted to stay and not go home to Ron. Sounds like Haleigh and Junior had blended very well into Crystal and Chad's life.

moo

[aproudmom]

Why did he not call them..I am sure they would have done something to help him but over 2 months I can understand they have a business to run..and he was able to do other things so why not just call them..:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

He had a whole day to work on it. He was tested the next day.

Wasn't there an accident where he was charged with leaving the scene?

[crymeariver2006]

This is going nowhere.

I don't know if he made threats and you don't either. All I know is they were there "in case Cummings was upset."

And the attorney "fires back" with the claim that "Ron didn't make any threats". Who said he did? Why the need to throw that in there?

Any bets on how long it takes for the "wrongful termination" suit to be filed?

:laugh:

[titanfan217]

Did you all catch HLN tonight? It was quite informative. DCYF has sixty days to investigate abuse claims. According to Kim P, it is now around day 40. She claims to be in touch with them frequently.

Lo and behold! Nothing nefarious about Crystal's fiance. He has full custody of his two children. Crystal, a full time mom, cares for them and her daughter.

moo

Thanks for the heads up. I was able to go back through TIVO and capture it. Not sure I can add anything more than has been said, but glad Haleigh's face on TV.

[bookie]

Just because the police didn't detect anything visually doesn't mean he didn't have cocaine in his system.

We can speculate on this all night but it's still speculation.


The accident happened in '05. Ron would have been 19 at the time. I believe the police would have noticed if he'd been on any type of drugs. 2 youngs guys riding around, get in a wreck...I think the cops would have had drugs/alcohol in mind when investigating the accident. The fact that Crystal's brother wasn't in court to testify, and the fact that a cousin who heard it from someone who heard it from someone else was the only witness Crystal did take to court makes me believe it was made up to make Ron look bad in court.

I know it's speculation. You brought the accident up, I'm just responding to posts about it with my opinion.

[aproudmom]

Maybe some of the co workers that reportedly gave up some of their vaca time to help Ron (no link, just hearsay & MOO), found out that moneys were being spent on dinner celebrations, weddings, trips and county fairs, etc., and felt like they had been "played". that could have made shift change a tad "iffy" when all parties met in the parking lot.
just throwing out possibilities, all MOO.
Beachpatty


this says he did not work there for a long time..I can understand if he never called them it has been over 2 months I would have thought he did not want the job if in fact he never called them..jmo

Cummings operated a rolling crane at the plant north of Palatka. He was not a longtime employee.“We still have a great deal of sympathy for Mr. Cummings and his family and certainly hope for the best,” McCauley said.

[bookie]

Wasn't there an accident where he was charged with leaving the scene?


In 2006. The accident in question happened in 2005.

[jayb]

I think Haleigh was kidnapped.

Haleigh's brother said something interesting and this might mean that she wasn't taken by family but Ron or Crystal sold her to pay off a drug debt.

This is from foxnews.com:

Haleigh Cummings' little brother told police a man dressed all in black snuck into her room and snatched the 5-year-old Florida girl from her bed, a TV news Web site reported.

The truth is, the brother either told his mother Crystal Sheffield something else or Crystal is lying and she slipped up and told the truth.

The article went on to say:

Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, Jr. and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html

The police keep saying a man in black took her but Crystal said she was told that "they were all dressed in black."

What does this mean? Did Crystal or Ron know the family or someone they owed was taking Haleigh?

This is a big slip up if you ask me. The police think a man dressed in black took Haleigh but the brother told Crystal that several people in black took her. Several people doesn't sound like an abduction but a kidnapping.

You tie that in with psychics saying that:

She's not Dead
Dispute over money
Moving from place to place

This sounds like a kidnapping.

[jerry50]

Why did he not call them..I am sure they would have done something to help him but over 2 months I can understand they have a business to run..and he was able to do other things so why not just call them..:confused:

I think that it is confusing especially when you read in the article that his having this job was one of the factors that was taken into consideration when he got custody of the kids.

[jerry50]

About this long:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-haleigh-press-release-cummings-041609,0,1808531.story

If Florida ia an "at will" state then a person can quit at anytime or an employer can fire someone at anytime. There is a situation where an employee essentially "abandons" his job when they don't come to work and don't have any communication with their employer.

[panache]

Thanks for the heads up. I was able to go back through TIVO and capture it. Not sure I can add anything more than has been said, but glad Haleigh's face on TV.

Thanks for affirming what I heard. That particular show doesn't have transcripts.

Didn't Kim also say that LE is diligently working on the investigation? My words. I was really encouraged by her positive attitude.

moo

[panache]

Has Ron been charged with child abuse yet?
Is Jr still with Ron?

According to Crystal's attorney the investigation takes approximately 60 days. It isn't 60 days yet.

Personally I have no knowledge if Junior is with Ron. If I were to take a guess, I would say GGma Sykes is caring for him. Crystal must still be seeing him on her weekends I would imagine. Which is good for Junior, there should be continuty in his routine, at least as much as possible.

moo

[panache]

I think Haleigh was kidnapped.

Haleigh's brother said something interesting and this might mean that she wasn't taken by family but Ron or Crystal sold her to pay off a drug debt.

This is from foxnews.com:

Haleigh Cummings' little brother told police a man dressed all in black snuck into her room and snatched the 5-year-old Florida girl from her bed, a TV news Web site reported.

The truth is, the brother either told his mother Crystal Sheffield something else or Crystal is lying and she slipped up and told the truth.

The article went on to say:

Crystal Sheffield, the children's mother, said Haleigh's father Ronald Cummings, Jr. and her son recounted the same story to her.

"When I see him [Haleigh's brother], all he said is, 'I want to find my sissy,' and he said something about somebody in black took her," Sheffield said, according to Central Florida News 13.

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html

The police keep saying a man in black took her but Crystal said she was told that "they were all dressed in black."

What does this mean? Did Crystal or Ron know the family or someone they owed was taking Haleigh?

This is a big slip up if you ask me. The police think a man dressed in black took Haleigh but the brother told Crystal that several people in black took her. Several people doesn't sound like an abduction but a kidnapping.

You tie that in with psychics saying that:

She's not Dead
Dispute over money
Moving from place to place

This sounds like a kidnapping.

I couldn't snip your post as CW requests because you mentioned it several times. Could you point out in that Fox article you linked that Junior said *several people*? I must have overlooked that wording.

TIA

[bookie]

I find it mildly amusing that everyone lies about poor Ronald and "tries to make him look bad."

He has an extensive arrest record for drugs so I think it's highly probable he did drugs and probably still does.

There have been numerous claims that he abused the women in his life, so I think it's highly probable that he beats women.

The Sheriffs Dept. provided security at his former place of employment, so I think it's highly probable that they felt there was a reason to be there.

AMO


The claims all come from Crystal's side.

She never called the police to report abuse. We can be reasonably sure of that or we'd have seen/heard about those reports. She never took the kids to a doctor/hospital to have them examined at times she claimed they were abused. Again we can be reasonably sure because we'd have seen/heard about those trips to the dr.

She has an obvious agenda. She wants custody of Junior. I think we allo know that people can get their friends/family to create stories to help them in a custody suit. Crystal's problem was none of her stories were believable.

[titanfan217]

Thanks for affirming what I heard. That particular show doesn't have transcripts.

Didn't Kim also say that LE is diligently working on the investigation? My words. I was really encouraged by her positive attitude.

moo

Somebody did. I agree Kim was positive but I'm not sure if it was her or one of the males talking about LE.

We're in the middle of a baseball game. When it's over, I'll go back & replay it.

[bookie]

That's essentially what he did. He didn't bother to call them so they let him go.

I wonder where he gets money to support jr.

He has family. I'm sure his family is helping him.

[CANDYKISSES]

my bolding>

I am so curious. What in the world makes you say that she was "content with things the way they were and that she had moved on?"

How can you possibly know this? None of us knows what goes on in the hearts and minds of others, unless they share that with us.

Why do you say such things? Left her children behind? She saw them every other weekend, we've been told. She was concerned about the serious injuries to Haliegh's face before Haliegh disappeared, having her father's wife, a nurse, take pictures. I'd say she was concerned and the court documents show that she has been concerned for years.

"Free herself?" That is so unkind. Why would we know if she took her children to the doctor or what she has gone through for her children?

As far as any hearings, I believe she would have to file in the county where the children reside, and she is in the process now of gathering the evidence required, which is sad in itself.

She's a twenty-three year-old young woman who has been through things most of us can't imagine.

I truly am baffled by your statements and the cattiness you show towards this young, grieving mother.

These are my thoughts and opinions.


[/FONT]

Having seen the original myspace and read all of the comments as well as comments left within the circle of friends PRIOR TO SIGNING on with KIM and REHABBING THE SITE, it was pretty easy to see. The number of photos of the new baby with a few here and there of Haleigh and Junior.

Let's see, given two weekends a month with the children, I am thinking IF SHE FEARED FOR THEIR SAFETY, she could have gotten an EMERGENCY HEARING using the injuries she now claims the children had. ANYONE who would take photos of such injuries and believe they were abuse, yet sit on them, is just about as bad as the perpetrator IMO. Also, a nurse participating would have been expected to report such.

Yet when first we see Crystal she is talking about HALEIGH BEING RON'S HEART, saying HE WOULD NEVER HURT HER, saying HALEIGH LOVES MISTY, (only to turn around after people start questioning her) and suddenly she is on the attack. :confused:

She has testified about her early history with the DOCTORS and the CHILDREN. I feel confident you have seen that between the two hearings on file. Outside of that, I have never heard of Crystal filing for a hearing from her home area while she had the children in her custody. JMO.

Her attorney first tells us that Crystal was pregnant and couldn't work for excusing child support, but later the attorney alleges it's all a mistake, and that Crystal believed she was paying child support all along from her check. Kind of like when she falsely reported a felony, it just seems Crystal's always misunderstood and it takes a few rounds before she settles on a truth IMO.

Putting Junior out there on Geraldo was another example of her care and concern for the children IMO and I find the reason her attorney came up with pretty pathetic, but that's JMO.

I think seeing and hearing her speak to the allegations against Ron over the cocaine and use and physical abuse was another lightbulb moment myself. :thumbdown:

I guess I could turn your personal attack around and serve it back up by alleging that I truly am baffled by your inability to view Crystal through the looking glass she provided on the world wide web but instead you are making excuses for her, disregarding statements and evidence not portraying her in a favorable light such as her attempt to make herself look better as a mother, while putting Junior at risk as an eye-witness to a crime on NATIONAL TV. I guess I'm not an advocate of covering up the truth for the greater good which some might consider going from the frying pan to the fire regarding custody. JMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyxmvJEsGss&NR=1
I guess this video was another barf moment as it sounded like she was again more worried about giving up the cocaine and how it would affect her. The alleged abuse is bad enough if true, but the idea she would be starting a battle over him using the drug when she couldn't doesn't sound like a victim who is being forced to do drugs IMOO.

[jayb]

I couldn't snip your post as CW requests because you mentioned it several times. Could you point out in that Fox article you linked that Junior said *several people*? I must have overlooked that wording.

TIA

Hi Tia,

Junior told Crystal the mother about the people dressed in black.

In the article she said:

"He said they were all dressed in black, but I didn't question him. I'm not going to question him."

Could she know about the kidnapping and she slipped up or did Junior tell her something different then what he told police?

I also looked at 3 or 4 different psychics and I compared what was similar.

Not Dead
dispute over money
moving from place to place

I think on Nancy Grace Crystal knew quite a bit about Ron's routine and who was sleeping where.

I think she needs to be questioned as well as Ron about a kidnapping maybe over a drug debt. Maybe Crystal just wanted to get her away from Ron.

[titanfan217]

Thanks for affirming what I heard. That particular show doesn't have transcripts.

Didn't Kim also say that LE is diligently working on the investigation? My words. I was really encouraged by her positive attitude.

moo

I listened again and did not hear Kim discuss LE, but believe it was TJ Hart.

Another comment got my attention. RC claimed he was job was to be held until April 6. That sounded like that was his decision & fits with other things I've heard or read about him.

[Adalena935]

That he was granted custody because he had access to health insurance is what a talking head said on CNN early in the case. I was in the other room, did not catch the name of the talking head but they must've had access to court records because that's what the OP's link states also.

Didn't Ron Cummings tell the media he was on a leave of absence? Now we find out he never contacted the company after Haleigh disappeared. I'm not surprised. He always seemed like a snake in the grass to me.

[Adalena935]

No, the claims don't all come from Crystal's side.

He was arrested numerous times for various drugs,. Were the arresting officers on Crystal's side?

WBG claims that Misty told him that she and Ron broke up because he was beating her. Is WBG on Crystal's side?

The Sheriff's Dept. set up security at his former place of employment. Is the Sheriff's Dept on Crystal's side?

You can try to minimize all this to Crystal's "obvious agenda" but that just doesn't wash. It's not only not believable, it's downright ridiculous.

Bravo! My sentiments exactly.

[CANDYKISSES]

Check it out.

There is an interesting comment beneath this link from youtube IMOO.
This was getting set up for a Crystal and Camp interview.....watching the interaction from the supporters and Geraldo asking for them is in and of itself worth the watching IMOO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ieSp87KbY0

Yet another video of a GERALDO MOMENT or maybe better to claim GETTING READY FOR IT....:rolleyes: He is such a prize. jmo :wink:

[Adalena935]

If Florida ia an "at will" state then a person can quit at anytime or an employer can fire someone at anytime. There is a situation where an employee essentially "abandons" his job when they don't come to work and don't have any communication with their employer.

I can't imagine what would stop anyone from quitting any job they wanted to. It's federal law that an employer can hire or fire an employee at any time also. Granted, can't break civil rights laws to accomplish it, but other than following laws that's always been so in the u.s.

[CANDYKISSES]

The claims all come from Crystal's side.

She never called the police to report abuse. We can be reasonably sure of that or we'd have seen/heard about those reports. She never took the kids to a doctor/hospital to have them examined at times she claimed they were abused. Again we can be reasonably sure because we'd have seen/heard about those trips to the dr.

She has an obvious agenda. She wants custody of Junior. I think we allo know that people can get their friends/family to create stories to help them in a custody suit. Crystal's problem was none of her stories were believable.

Come on bookie, do you believe for ONE MINUTE the former DEPUTY/former MARINE stood by as Ron did drugs and abused his daughter and/or grandchildren? That right there DEFIES LOGIC IMOO.

Good heavens, I love the new interpretations coming out on "SECURITY" being called to the job site. :crying: jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

The claims all come from Crystal's side.

She never called the police to report abuse. We can be reasonably sure of that or we'd have seen/heard about those reports. She never took the kids to a doctor/hospital to have them examined at times she claimed they were abused. Again we can be reasonably sure because we'd have seen/heard about those trips to the dr.

She has an obvious agenda. She wants custody of Junior. I think we allo know that people can get their friends/family to create stories to help them in a custody suit. Crystal's problem was none of her stories were believable.

Apparently including the false report she made of a felony IMO. :sneaky:

Even in the transcripts it's easy to see you have to keep helping her adjust the language before she gets to a believable story IMO. :wink:

[CANDYKISSES]

Do you think the police would have given him time to run home and take something to flushhis system?

I hope you haven't forgotten that there really are some who believe Ron is able to control the whole town and prevent LE from doing their job as well. :w00t: JMOOC.

[Ice Cycle]

More hoopla with the parents, what I want to know is anyone looking for this child? Why hasn't TES been called back or another agency hired to search for her or do they just think she is just going to come home on her own?? It's pretty ridiculous and so is all this bickering about R, M & C when I think it is pretty obvious that none would win parent of the year.

[Ice Cycle]

LOL, of course you're right but LE put a halt on all searches and we can only speculate why.

So what's left? The parents.

Yes but why have they put a halt on all searches? If that was not your child would you not be asking that question and better yet who would accepted no for a answer? Parents of the year that's who.
I mean is it for certain that LE has put a halt on it, has anyone actually heard them say that? Cause I am afraid that makes no sense.

[tinkerbell]

Yes but why have they put a halt on all searches? If that was not your child would you not be asking that question and better yet who would accepted no for a answer? Parents of the year that's who.
I mean is it for certain that LE has put a halt on it, has anyone actually heard them say that? Cause I am afraid that makes no sense.

I read several weeks ago that LE was asking all searches to cease. I don't have a link; but that is what I remember reading.

The only reason I can think of is that LE doesn't want anyone contaminating any evidence?

[titanfan217]

I heard that co-workers had donated their vacation time to RC.

If my BH or I had donated time, I'd be one unhappy camper.

[jayb]

She's kidnapped.

Crystal may know something. Why would she say she was told by Junior that "they were all dressed in black."

Either Crystal knows something or Ron coached his son to tell the police something different. Either way one of these 2 are involved. They need to put a lie detector on Crystal, Ron and Misty and ask about kidnapping.

[tinkerbell]

That could very well be. Or maybe le doesn't want anyone to waste their time. From the beginning the cynder block story has bothered me. Cynder block used to prop the door open, cynder blocks that RC had no idea were in his yard. It is my belief that whoever took Haleigh, used additional cynderblocks to weight her down in the river and if le is thinking Haleigh may be in the river, then searching for her on land would be a waste of time. The dogs lead to the river and I believe that is where Haleigh is at.

jmo

I agree, the cinder block at the rear outside back door bothers me as well. Honestly, the entire scenario bothers me to no end.

I understand my personality type; and it leads me to believe there's more to this story.

[Ice Cycle]

I agree it makes no sense and if it were my child I'd demand to know why. All I know is that they threatened to arrest people if they searched and that was awhile ago.

Everything that the public knows about has come to a halt. What's going on behind closed doors with investigators is anyone's guess.

Then why didn't LE stop TES and Padella from searching for Caylee and Kid Finders? I would not think they would have the legal right to stop anyone, especially the parent from hiring a group. Also the comment about contaminating the evidence might have been logical at the beginning but at this point their is not going to be any evidence left if she is not found, dead or alive (as much as I hate to write that). I just would like to have read or heard LE statement of LE saying that. As I said they just doesn't add up at this point anyway.

[JackiBlu]

Tim Miller leaving meant the toys were leaving. Ronald enjoyed the horserides as well as the 4 wheelers. It is my opinion that Ronald knew Haleigh would not be found on land, as was the case when the marriage/NY trip was coinciding with one of the biggest searches for Haleigh to date. While they were all searching, Ronald was marrying and flying to New York. In my opinion, he knew they would not find Haleigh while they were conducting those searches.

jmo

Glad you believe that Ron wanted Tim Miller searching just because of the "toys". GMAB what a rotten statement to make. Just shows your dislike of Ron no matter what he does. Remember Tim Miller also searched the water with his side sonar equipment and nothing was found.

JMO

[cat3]

That he was granted custody because he had access to health insurance is what a talking head said on CNN early in the case. I was in the other room, did not catch the name of the talking head but they must've had access to court records because that's what the OP's link states also.

Didn't Ron Cummings tell the media he was on a leave of absence? Now we find out he never contacted the company after Haleigh disappeared. I'm not surprised. He always seemed like a snake in the grass to me.

Ron seems like a "snake in the grass" Wow....what does that make Crystal? She never even had a job to lose, and owes over 4,000 in back child support.Maybe she can step up and take some financial responsibility for Jr.IMO

[JackiBlu]

i have my opinion about Ron and Misty and until I hear from LE my feelings are they don't know who took Haleigh.

When Ron's attorney put up the website for Haleigh and I noticed her description was wrong I emailed the contact on the website but it didn't get changed. I couldn't believe that the family was getting blamed for this so I contacted a family member of Haleigh's by phone. They had no idea there was wrong info on the website. The next day it was changed. I have talked to this person several times, they were very gracious and I enjoyed my talks with them.

We all just want Haleigh home safe.

[Squidward]

Hi Seeker~

I'm not going to win any popularity contests soon, this much I know, lol. This case gnaws at me day and night and with an already busy schedule, it's a case I wish would be solved soon.

It is intersting when thinking about Ronald moving back into his home. He camped out there for weeks, not taking an eye off le or that mh. He said he wouldn't return to it ever again, yet he could go back in to give the walk thru's for the press, no less in a very calm manner. Can you think of any other case that involved a home being investigated for that amount of time? I can't and would be grateful to anyone who could point me to a case. Something happened in that home, imo.

On another note, I have also wondered, the night of the disappearance we heard Ronald referring to guns, killings and jail sentencing quite often. It was Ronald himself who said he didn't care if he spent the rest of his life in jail, that he'd kill whoever took his daughter, that he had a gun. Was he subconciously giving away clues to what happened to Haleigh? Did le test his hands for gun powder residue or Misty's?

Lastly, perhaps PDM Bridge knows Ronalds' whereabouts the night Haleigh vanished. For instance, they may be privy to knowing Ronald clocked out early or whether he clocked out at all that night.

jmo

bold by me

I have never even thought about that, that's a very good question. I would hope they did, but wonder if they would have even thought about that then.

Good points brought up about Ron not wanting to return to his home and job. I have thought about reasons he may not want to return home, and most of my thoughts are not good. I haven't thought about work, but it is possible he never had any intension to return to PDM.

[Santa'sMom]

snipped from: "Press release issued by attorney of Ronald Cummings
April 16, 2009"

According to Ronald's attorney,
"Ronald expressed his displeasure with the company for going back on its word, but at no time threatened anyone." Having heard how well he keeps his temper under control on the 911 recording, I just have a little trouble believing that he didn't go off the wall with the people in charge at his place of employment. Are we supposed to believe that he calmly said something like, "Gee, this is terrible. I think you are really treating me unfairly. I mean, gosh, my little girl is missing and my ex-girlfriend is making accusations that I'm not a nice guy and I just didn't have time to pick up the phone and let you know that I was hoping you'd hold my job for eternity since I'm such a great person and wonderful worker and all that."

Also from Ronald's lawyer:
"It should be noted that Crystal Sheffield is currently thousands of dollars in arrears for child support. She has not been gainfully employed in approximately two years. When Crystal and Ronald lived together it was mainly Ronald's grandmother that cared for their children since Crystal was usually watching TV."
What does whether or not Crystal has a job have to do with Ronald's not working? It sounded like a little kid whining, "Well, he said..." How nice that Ronald was so hard working and self-supporting that he and his family had to live with his granny. Ronald's granny had to care for the children because Crystal was watching tv? Was the attorney there? or is he giving us his unbiased version dictated by Ronald and his family? He wants to talk about Crystal's attorney but he just comes across as being grade school petty. in my most humble of opinions
I'm just curious, did this attorney attend the same law school that Baez did?

[Santa'sMom]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/041609cummings_attorney_fires_back

"Kimball said the article was not correct – that Ron was told that his employer was holding his job open. Kimball alleges that Ron was told by his employer that he could start back to work the Monday following Haleigh’s disappearance. He was prepared to go into work when he was told the Friday before that the offer was being withdrawn.Ron expressed his displeasure with the company for going back on its word, but at no time threatened anyone,” Kimball wrote in the press release."

This is a different date than the April 6th date from Jacksonville paper.

What could the truth be?

It sounded to me like Fox had written an article based on the statement from Ronald's lawyer printed in the Jax Times. I don't think they had any actual contact from the lawyer himself. Kinda sad reporting. If you're going to write an article from someone else's work, at least get the information correct. Ugh! jmo, of course

[Santa'sMom]

snipped: I think they have backfired in the public realm, jmo. I was watching some video footage earlier from a local news station and the reporter was showing the residents in the area and how difficult it was to get even one person to talk on camera about Haleigh's case. Very few in that area want to talk and if they don't want to talk on camera, I'm assuming they would further detest talking to le.
jmo

I don't think that people would find talking in front of a news camera and talking to LE would be in the same realm. I don't have any desire at all to ever be on tv but I wouldn't have a problem talking to LE.

[Santa'sMom]

Regarding the talk of guns, etc. I hadn't thought about it before but maybe the wood LE took from in front of the water heater had a bullet hole? Just an out-of-nowhere thought from the deep, dark recesses of my single brain cell.

[Themis]

<bolding be mine>

PDM Bridge is a solid company with locations in Florida & Wisconsin. They give their employees excellent benefits such as:

401K
Gain Sharing
Medical and Dental Insurance
Disability Benefits
Prescription Drug Coverage
Pre-tax Health Savings Accounts
Life Insurance
Paid Company Holidays
Paid Vacations
Tuition Reimbursement

In today's times, I consider those benefits to be substantial when compared to many other companies. Seems to me that Ronald Cummings was extremely lucky to have this job. A company that gave Ronald exactly what he needed to maintain his custody of Haleigh and Jr. It would be a shame to see him pursue any legal action against this company and I'm certain PDM Bridge has a list of legal professionals who stand behind PDM's statements. Perhaps Ronald's personnel file wasn't so shiney and this was the last straw. I question if Ronald worked well with others and if his work ethic was that of a hard working man or that of a slacker. Either way, the donations must be running dry by now and unemployment is at an all time high, not a great time to be seeking out employment. I do not believe he will receive unemployment compensation.

jmo
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I was quite impressed with the list of extensive (and expensive to the employer) benefits available to employees of PDM Bridge Company. I visited its website and was again impressed by reading that PDM Bridge had built the famous St. Louis Arch.
It is really sad that Cummings has been terminated apparently by his own inaction. It is unlikely there are many employers in Palatka (pop. 11,000) or even Putnam County (71,000) who offer such good benefits.
[JMO * Themis]

[crymeariver2006]

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Blink cry, he most likely has already done it as it was stated that Ronald was referred to a firm in Daytona Beach that handles labor & employment law. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=136044&catid=3

PDM Bridge is a solid company with locations in Florida & Wisconsin. They give their employees excellent benefits such as:

401K
Gain Sharing
Medical and Dental Insurance
Disability Benefits
Prescription Drug Coverage
Pre-tax Health Savings Accounts
Life Insurance
Paid Company Holidays
Paid Vacations
Tuition Reimbursement

In today's times, I consider those benefits to be substantial when compared to many other companies. Seems to me that Ronald Cummings was extremely lucky to have this job. A company that gave Ronald exactly what he needed to maintain his custody of Haleigh and Jr. It would be a shame to see him pursue any legal action against this company and I'm certain PDM Bridge has a list of legal professionals who stand behind PDM's statements. Perhaps Ronald's personnel file wasn't so shiney and this was the last straw. I question if Ronald worked well with others and if his work ethic was that of a hard working man or that of a slacker. Either way, the donations must be running dry by now and unemployment is at an all time high, not a great time to be seeking out employment. I do not believe he will receive unemployment compensation.

jmo

Referred to an employment law attorney?

Yeah, I believe that's commonly referred to as "the bridge to nowhere". His suit (if its filed) is going to be interesting to read, but more interesting will be PDM's response to any allegations.

IMO, he had better hope is employment record is sterling.

And ITA on the unemployment compensation.

JMO

[beachpatty]

Referred to an employment law attorney?

Yeah, I believe that's commonly referred to as "the bridge to nowhere". His suit (if its filed) is going to be interesting to read, but more interesting will be PDM's response to any allegations.

IMO, he had better hope is employment record is sterling.

And ITA on the unemployment compensation.

JMO


there are only 3 reasons that you can collect unemployment in florida, if you voluntarily leave your employment. 1. harrasment 2. pay reduction 3. transfer of a spouse, in the military (only military) and you can produce a copy of the trasnfer orders.

i have been battling unemployment since december, we moved (home was foreclosed :( ) 85 miles south, hubby was able to retain his employment, he is a service tech and the company has branches here, where we moved to, they were actually happy, less fuel and faster response time for service calls. my job on the other hand, would have been a 140 mile, per day commute, impossible, plus the salary was not high enough to compensate that far of a commute. unemployment does not care, i have filed, received the first 2 weeks of benefits, then received a letter saying i am ineligible, because i voluntarily quit. i appealed, lost the appeal, requested a review by the commission, the decision was upheld and i am now waiting for a response from the florida court of appeals. their rules and laws are strictly enforced. ron will not be collecting unemployment, lawyer or not, IF what was reported about the circumstances are correct.
moo
beachpatty

[crymeariver2006]

My bold

I have not finished reading, but in my opinion you will be very lucky to get a response to your questions. I have wondered and questioned the very same things and I still do not have an answer.

o/t of this post a little

Did anyone ever hear anything about the bones found in a different county? I am sorry, I can not remember the county, but if something has been released has anyone heard if the body has been identified? Is it a child or an adult? Any other information about them? Whoever it was, it is a very sad thing to hear. I have to admit, I did think of Haleigh - I also do not like typing about it, but I was curious.

This might answer your question about the remains found earlier this week:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/19193490/detail.html

[CelticDawn]

Prayers, bright blessings and well wishes go out to Haleigh and those who truly love her.