Sandra Cantu Thursday 16th April

[aproudmom]

New day new Thread let today be about Little Sandra her memorial will be at 1pm for a lot of us it will be 3pm

Morning everyone.Hope I did this right.

[MoonFlwr]

Yay, aproudmom! :) You got it! :wink:

Thanks for the thread!

I agree....let this be a day for Little Sandra.

[aproudmom]

I think I got that wrong if it is 1pm then it should be 4pm for some of us..this time thing gets so confusing..

http://kron4.com/ will be covering it live stream
HLN will also be covering it live on TV.

[aproudmom]

Yay, aproudmom! :) You got it! :wink:

Thanks for the thread!

I agree....let this be a day for Little Sandra.

yay was worried I would mess up and have to get CW come fix it..lol.

thanks for telling me how to do it..:smile:

[n/t]

Prayers for Sandra. RIP little one :rose:

[aproudmom]

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1054/reftab/36/t/Family-Holds-Private-Funeral-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

As sad as it is to see her funeral procession it is a sign that she is being laid to rest and her family can some how down the road see how many people from all over has fallen in love with this little girl..her final ride was a special ride just like a little princess

RIP Americas Angel:rose:

if anyone has the candle link can they post it please I thought I had it saved but I dont..

[Texas48]

New day new Thread let today be about Little Sandra her memorial will be at 1pm for a lot of us it will be 3pmr

Morning everyone.Hope I did this right.You did great mom...I watched as the horse drawn carriage brought Sandra's little body to the cemetary yesterday...how beautiful it was..ALL I could think of was Sandra's mother and family...I will forever have the video of little Sandra *skipping* along in her life and the next her little casket is being taken by a horse drawn carriage to the cemetary...embedded into my mind and my heart. A SAD day for so..so many..

[MoonFlwr]

Pleasure, mom! :) Glad you did it.

Morning n/t ....and others who are around.
n/t I think you made a valid point at the end of the last thread about cases which may have gone unsolved because LE weren't really 'expecting' a woman to be involved.

[aproudmom]

I really don't like even talking about MLH today but I do have a question if we have anyone that is in the medical field how in the heck can you swallow 3 blades and not die from it..I have never heard of anyone doing this I mean blades and suicide usually mean cut your wrist not swallow them that seems so odd..

[FrankieBones1]

New day new Thread let today be about Little Sandra her memorial will be at 1pm for a lot of us it will be 3pm

Morning everyone.Hope I did this right.You did fine, aproudmom. Hope I'll be able to see the service today at 3pm.

[Texas48]

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1054/reftab/36/t/Family-Holds-Private-Funeral-for-Sandra-Cantu/Default.aspx

As sad as it is to see her funeral procession it is a sign that she is being laid to rest and her family can some how down the road see how many people from all over has fallen in love with this little girl..her final ride was a special ride just like a little princess

RIP Americas Angel:rose:

if anyone has the candle link can they post it please I thought I had it saved but I dont..MOM...I love the way you wrote *her final ride was a special ride just like a little princess.* How beautiful..

[aproudmom]

You did great mom...I watched as the horse drawn carriage brought Sandra's little body to the cemetary yesterday...how beautiful it was..ALL I could think of was Sandra's mother and family...I will forever have the video of little Sandra *skipping* along in her life and the next her little casket is being taken by a horse drawn carriage to the cemetary...embedded into my mind and my heart. A SAD day for so..so many..

I just listened to the report and it said her classmate were there,..I am not sure how these kids were able to be there and not be even more scared I heard they were having nightmares and just not sure if it was the best thing..but maybe it is some sort of closure for them,..I remember going to 2 funerals when I was in 2 and 3rd grade one classmate was mulled by dogs she was my best friend then a year later another one was hit by a car in front of a skating rink I was standing out there and went to her funeral to this day I can not get it out of my head I remember everything..maybe it is just me but I never allowed my kids to go to funerals until they were older..I have not even been able to go to any without having anxiety attacks..

[aproudmom]

MOM...I love the way you wrote *her final ride was a special ride just like a little princess.* How beautiful..

The Final Ride.I got that from a Heidi a 16yr old who was killed by a drunk driver she always wanted to ride in a hummer so her mom ask the funeral director and he took his seats out and her final ride was in the hummer..and we called it her Final Ride...:crying:

and Sandra when I saw that thought what a wonderful way for her to have her final ride on a carriage just like a little princess her family did a wonderful job for her and I hope they will see one day how many people have cried for them and for Sandra

[playnice]

I really don't like even talking about MLH today but I do have a question if we have anyone that is in the medical field how in the heck can you swallow 3 blades and not die from it..I have never heard of anyone doing this I mean blades and suicide usually mean cut your wrist not swallow them that seems so odd..

If you swallowed something like that I do not see any way of passing them without extensive damage other than surgery.

[aproudmom]

You did fine, aproudmom. Hope I'll be able to see the service today at 3pm.

Morning Frankie
the service will be on live stream and I know I heard it would be on HLN not sure about CNN I am sure a lot will be at work and have to watch it later I think they are 3 hrs different from me so it would be 4 if I am right I get so messed up on the time thing I know when my son was there they were 3hrs difference

[playnice]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/15/ng.01.html

In other developments, just days before her arrest, Huckaby allegedly attempted to commit suicide by swallowing X-Acto knives. While Huckaby reportedly denies the claim she remains behind bars on suicide watch.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She swallows not one, not two, but three X-Acto blades?

Dr. Marty Makary, why didn`t it work?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, actually, most people are surprised, they often are not fatal. And it`s actually common.

GRACE: Well, I`ve never even heard of swallowing an X-Acto knife. Those are the blades that you slice for a precise cut -- yes, there it is. OK. Well, which one is it? Which one, Rosie, is the one that she swallowed? The one in the middle? The one on the left.

Whoa. Hold on. Makary, she swallowed three of the ones on the left and she lived to tell the tale?

MAKARY: Oftentimes the body has a way of sort of entrapping the knives and they can pass through with only some bleeding. Most people live, and it`s a way a lot of people, especially prisoners, get a lot of attention as they try to get out of the situation that they`re in.



X-Acto Knives
http://www.hobbyplace.com/tools/xacsets.php

You can see in the 3rd picture what the blades look like. I have one and no way I would put them in my mouth. They are sharp.
Im not really sure that she did swallow them.

[StickyBeak]

G'Morn Everyone, a last goodbye for Sandra Today

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

RIP sweet baby girl

[Texas48]

I really don't like even talking about MLH today but I do have a question if we have anyone that is in the medical field how in the heck can you swallow 3 blades and not die from it..I have never heard of anyone doing this I mean blades and suicide usually mean cut your wrist not swallow them that seems so odd..
I wounder how or if they got the blades out of MH..??What a terrible thought..those blades are going to cut something inside her one way or the other..I would think..?? How long was MH in the hospital? anyone?

[aproudmom]

If you swallowed something like that I do not see any way of passing them without extensive damage other than surgery.

I am still in shock over it..she went in the same night Sandra's mom was told it was her body right? that is what I heard cause they had 2 or 3 ambulances and one was for her..I would wonder how in the heck it would not cut your throat and everything as it went into your stomach..guess it can be done since she did it...so odd imo..then to hear she had ulcers and digestive problems from her family I am sure they knew why she was in there just did not want to say why..I knew it had to be more since they had someone sitting outside her door at the ICU. I am not so sure they thought it was her at the time I think maybe they thought she was so upset since Sandra was there all the time...This one has really got me went and looked at mine and no way would I swallow one let alone 3...
she was in there from late Monday/Tuesday to thursday and talking to media right away..not a smart cookie imo

[Texas48]

I just listened to the report and it said her classmate were there,..I am not sure how these kids were able to be there and not be even more scared I heard they were having nightmares and just not sure if it was the best thing..but maybe it is some sort of closure for them,..I remember going to 2 funerals when I was in 2 and 3rd grade one classmate was mulled by dogs she was my best friend then a year later another one was hit by a car in front of a skating rink I was standing out there and went to her funeral to this day I can not get it out of my head I remember everything..maybe it is just me but I never allowed my kids to go to funerals until they were older..I have not even been able to go to any without having anxiety attacks..that is so strange mom..I am the exact same way as you...even when my mom passed away I did not want my very young grandkids to be at the service..They were just too young to understand imo...and..like you..have anxiety attacks when I go..Oh my..this is so sad..

[aproudmom]

I wounder how or if they got the blades out of MH..??What a terrible thought..those blades are going to cut something inside her one way or the other..I would think..?? How long was MH in the hospital? anyone?

from what I know she went the same night they came out at 3am their time and then all of a sudden it was showing 2 or 3 ambulances so it would be 3 days..if I am wrong someone can correct me..

early Tuesday-thursday

[Texas48]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/15/ng.01.html

In other developments, just days before her arrest, Huckaby allegedly attempted to commit suicide by swallowing X-Acto knives. While Huckaby reportedly denies the claim she remains behind bars on suicide watch.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She swallows not one, not two, but three X-Acto blades?

Dr. Marty Makary, why didn`t it work?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, actually, most people are surprised, they often are not fatal. And it`s actually common.

GRACE: Well, I`ve never even heard of swallowing an X-Acto knife. Those are the blades that you slice for a precise cut -- yes, there it is. OK. Well, which one is it? Which one, Rosie, is the one that she swallowed? The one in the middle? The one on the left.

Whoa. Hold on. Makary, she swallowed three of the ones on the left and she lived to tell the tale?

MAKARY: Oftentimes the body has a way of sort of entrapping the knives and they can pass through with only some bleeding. Most people live, and it`s a way a lot of people, especially prisoners, get a lot of attention as they try to get out of the situation that they`re in.



X-Acto Knives
http://www.hobbyplace.com/tools/xacsets.php

You can see in the 3rd picture what the blades look like. I have one and no way I would put them in my mouth. They are sharp.
Im not really sure that she did swallow them.I am with you on swallowing the blades..I also have these blades for crafts and such..they are a razor blade and no way I can see them NOT doing a heck of alot of damage but I am certain the doctors know better than me...but just WOW..kwim?:w00t: had to hurt....

[playnice]

I am with you on swallowing the blades..I also have these blades for crafts and such..they are a razor blade and no way I can see them NOT doing a heck of alot of damage but I am certain the doctors know better than me...but just WOW..kwim?:w00t: had to hurt....

Yeah. I'm a coward. I'd go with pills.:laugh:

[aproudmom]

that is so strange mom..I am the exact same way as you...even when my mom passed away I did not want my very young grandkids to be at the service..They were just too young to understand imo...and..like you..have anxiety attacks when I go..Oh my..this is so sad..

I did not want to say the parents should have not allowed them to go I just know at the time my mom and dad never knew how bad it was going to effect me even as a adult..but that is me and why I did not allow my kids to go to funerals until they were older the first one they went to was my uncles 3 yrs ago they were 10 an 16 and it was just a memorial he did not want anyone to have to see him after he passed away so we did not even have his ashes out until the burial..I am sure they will have a lot of counselors at the school cause this will really effect those children losing their friend like that..seems like a close nit community I am from a very small town of maybe 6000 so when something happens here we all know each other..The one thing I remember is everyone kept saying she looks so good and me being in the 3rd grade did not think so..and I am sure Sandra's was a closed casket so it may not be has hard on them...I just can not imagine how the family is I just want to reach out and hug them.

[aproudmom]

Yeah. I'm a coward. I'd go with pills.:laugh:

They say most women do take pills guess this Monster is a whole new story..:scared: time to stop only profiling men IMO..

did anyone catch JVM last night on HLN seen she was talking about CS did not know why..anyone else see it

[aproudmom]

G'Morn Everyone, a last goodbye for Sandra Today

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

RIP sweet baby girl

Oh thank you knew you would have it thanks a bunch Sticky
going right now..

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

We got 53 burning right now..

[aproudmom]

I am with you on swallowing the blades..I also have these blades for crafts and such..they are a razor blade and no way I can see them NOT doing a heck of alot of damage but I am certain the doctors know better than me...but just WOW..kwim?:w00t: had to hurt....

I am with you all I may have to call my cousin she works in ICU see what she says..lol.I am not so sure she swallowed them..funny alot of us use them for scrapbooking and she said she had scrap booking stuff in the luggage:sneaky:

[Texas48]

Oh thank you knew you would have it thanks a bunch Sticky
going right now..

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

We got 53 burning right now..Thank you..one more lit...with...:wub:

[For Gabriel]

I really don't like even talking about MLH today but I do have a question if we have anyone that is in the medical field how in the heck can you swallow 3 blades and not die from it..I have never heard of anyone doing this I mean blades and suicide usually mean cut your wrist not swallow them that seems so odd..

I have a hard time believeing she wanted to kill herself! She may have wanted to deflect any suspicions from her, thus swallow the blades, go to ER, etc. There were better ways of one offing themselves.

[Texas48]

I did not want to say the parents should have not allowed them to go I just know at the time my mom and dad never knew how bad it was going to effect me even as a adult..but that is me and why I did not allow my kids to go to funerals until they were older the first one they went to was my uncles 3 yrs ago they were 10 an 16 and it was just a memorial he did not want anyone to have to see him after he passed away so we did not even have his ashes out until the burial..I am sure they will have a lot of counselors at the school cause this will really effect those children losing their friend like that..seems like a close nit community I am from a very small town of maybe 6000 so when something happens here we all know each other..The one thing I remember is everyone kept saying she looks so good and me being in the 3rd grade did not think so..and I am sure Sandra's was a closed casket so it may not be has hard on them...I just can not imagine how the family is I just want to reach out and hug them.
ITA mom...I feel certain Sandra's casket was closed..and I completely understand what you are saying about reaching out for her mother and family...it is just so hard to even imagine what has happened to this child.

[For Gabriel]

that is so strange mom..I am the exact same way as you...even when my mom passed away I did not want my very young grandkids to be at the service..They were just too young to understand imo...and..like you..have anxiety attacks when I go..Oh my..this is so sad..

For me, I have taken my children to funeral homes since they were in my arms. I wanted them to not fear death.

[LILMANMAX]

I have a hard time believeing she wanted to kill herself! She may have wanted to deflect any suspicions from her, thus swallow the blades, go to ER, etc. There were better ways of one offing themselves.


The blade slicing an artery comes to mind. :rolleyes:

[For Gabriel]

I am with you all I may have to call my cousin she works in ICU see what she says..lol.I am not so sure she swallowed them..funny alot of us use them for scrapbooking and she said she had scrap booking stuff in the luggage:sneaky:

Could she have wrapped the blades in something before swallowing? Just thinking out loud...

[For Gabriel]

The blade slicing an artery comes to mind. :rolleyes:

Then why not cut your wrist?:rolleyes:

[Texas48]

I am with you all I may have to call my cousin she works in ICU see what she says..lol.I am not so sure she swallowed them..funny alot of us use them for scrapbooking and she said she had scrap booking stuff in the luggage:sneaky:Oh Mom..please do call and find out all u can..lol. I am trying to think of
ALL the ways ER got those blades out of MH..I know they would have had to xray her and see *exactly* where they were located and after that I am at a loss except for thinking..of....things. kwim?

[MoonFlwr]

Could she have wrapped the blades in something before swallowing? Just thinking out loud...

Yes, that thought had crossed my mind, too. (To stop damage of her oesophagus etc on the way in)

[aproudmom]

Could she have wrapped the blades in something before swallowing? Just thinking out loud...

oh I saw you have always took your kids to funerals I know alot do and I never wanted the kids to be scared I just did not want them to go because of what it did to me..I have also wondered about them being wrapped

Bugout had this in the links I dont know much about this but here is the link
A common denominator among victims of self-embedding disorder is that they also suffer from other psychological disorders, Shiels says. Teens in the study had been diagnosed with depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and posttraumatic stress disorder

Severe Self-Injury a Threat to Teens
Researchers Identify Self-Embedding Disorder Among Teenagers

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20081202/severe-self-injury-a-threat-to-teens

[For Gabriel]

Yes, that thought had crossed my mind, too. (To stop damage of her oesophagus etc on the way in)

My thinking as well, Moonflwr!

[For Gabriel]

oh I saw you have always took your kids to funerals I know alot do and I never wanted the kids to be scared I just did not want them to go because of what it did to me..I have also wondered about them being wrapped

Bugout had this in the links I dont know much about this but here is the link
A common denominator among victims of self-embedding disorder is that they also suffer from other psychological disorders, Shiels says. Teens in the study had been diagnosed with depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and posttraumatic stress disorder

Severe Self-Injury a Threat to Teens
Researchers Identify Self-Embedding Disorder Among Teenagers
url]http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20081202/severe-self-injury-a-threat-to-teens[/url]


Totally understandable, Proud!

[Texas48]

Then why not cut your wrist?:rolleyes:See..this is what I am thinking as well. I wounder HOW LONG it took MH to get 3 of them down..oh my goodness...just thinking about it and yet I am so curious as I said..And yea..why not just use them on her wrist..her throat..heck anywhere...but to swallow them..:ohmy:

[Texas48]

Yes, that thought had crossed my mind, too. (To stop damage of her oesophagus etc on the way in)good morning moonie..But if she did *not* want to damage her throat..on the way in..why swallow them in the first place..She must have believed the blades were going to kill her if it was indeed a suicide attempt....possibly she never thought about it one way or the other..? who knows for sure..? anyway..gotta think about something else..lol

[aproudmom]

Oh Mom..please do call and find out all u can..lol. I am trying to think of
ALL the ways ER got those blades out of MH..I know they would have had to xray her and see *exactly* where they were located and after that I am at a loss except for thinking..of....things. kwim?

You know maybe she had digestive problems because she did things like this before..Bugout had a thing in the links I don't know much about those kind of things but if she did have problems prior to this maybe she swallowed thing before..and hope that is not why her child is not well I am still thinking :ohmy:with the blades but guess it does happen..and she was ask by a text from the media and she said "No I did not try to kill myself LOL" laugh out loud OK odd like I said but we are talking about her and we are normal or sure hope we all are..lol:biggrin:

[For Gabriel]

See..this is what I am thinking as well. I wounder HOW LONG it took MH to get 3 of them down..oh my goodness...just thinking about it and yet I am so curious as I said..And yea..why not just use them on her wrist..her throat..heck anywhere...but to swallow them..:ohmy:

I have a hard time believing she wanted to die. She has a small child. Swallow the blades (possibly wrapped in something) deflect attention from herself and get a ride to the hospital. Since it's been reported that she has bleeding ulcers....

[playnice]

See..this is what I am thinking as well. I wounder HOW LONG it took MH to get 3 of them down..oh my goodness...just thinking about it and yet I am so curious as I said..And yea..why not just use them on her wrist..her throat..heck anywhere...but to swallow them..:ohmy:

Ive seem posters do all kinds of experiments on these crime boards.
My advice. Do not try this experiment at home.:tonguewag:

[aproudmom]

good morning moonie..But if she did *not* want to damage her throat..on the way in..why swallow them in the first place..She must have believed the blades were going to kill her if it was indeed a suicide attempt....possibly she never thought about it one way or the other..? who knows for sure..? anyway..gotta think about something else..lol

we may never know for sure unless this goes to trial..since the hipaa laws

[For Gabriel]

Ive seem posters do all kinds of experiments on these crime boards.
My advice. Do not try this experiment at home.:tonguewag:

OMG? For real? Lordy! Let's not try this one at home!!:scared:

[aproudmom]

Ive seem posters do all kinds of experiments on these crime boards.
My advice. Do not try this experiment at home.:tonguewag:

Dont worry I wont be trying it:biggrin:

[~jomomma~]

See..this is what I am thinking as well. I wounder HOW LONG it took MH to get 3 of them down..oh my goodness...just thinking about it and yet I am so curious as I said..And yea..why not just use them on her wrist..her throat..heck anywhere...but to swallow them..:ohmy:

i was just googling about swallowing razor blades and came across this site. seems people are swallowing a heck of alot more than just razor blades! how the heck?! :ohmy:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/48/2/162

[MoonFlwr]

good morning moonie..But if she did *not* want to damage her throat..on the way in..why swallow them in the first place..She must have believed the blades were going to kill her if it was indeed a suicide attempt....possibly she never thought about it one way or the other..? who knows for sure..? anyway..gotta think about something else..lol

Morning Texas :)

Well, it's been suggested by some that Melissa didn't really want to commit suicide, but just to use it for another reason (whatever that may be....attention, as a distraction ..or..who knows).
If that was the case, then she'd want a little damage inside, but not life-threatening damage, I'd imagine.

[aproudmom]

OMG? For real? Lordy! Let's not try this one at home!!:scared:

I sure hope no one tries it if we have any posters missing we may want to check on them:laugh:

Please no one try to swallow blades we don't want to lose our posters..lol..I know it is not funny but play nice got it stated:tonguewag:

[For Gabriel]

i was just googling about swallowing razor blades and came across this site. seems people are swallowing a heck of alot more than just razor blades! how the heck?! :ohmy:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/48/2/162

That site made my head spin! It's crazy!!

[aproudmom]

Morning Texas :)

Well, it's been suggested by some that Melissa didn't really want to commit suicide, but just to use it for another reason (whatever that may be....attention, as a distraction ..or..who knows).
If that was the case, then she'd want a little damage inside, but not life-threatening damage, I'd imagine.

I think she loved attention it is what got her caught as fast as she did..talking to the media..I will say most people that want to kill them self do it and make sure it works..

[MoonFlwr]

Ive seem posters do all kinds of experiments on these crime boards.
My advice. Do not try this experiment at home.:tonguewag:

rofl! I missed that one! Yes, I've seen posters dash off to try things out, for the sake of science and truth...but this one..NO, PLEASE! ;)

[aproudmom]

i was just googling about swallowing razor blades and came across this site. seems people are swallowing a heck of alot more than just razor blades! how the heck?! :ohmy:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/48/2/162

omg fgs you have got to be kidding me..guess I never heard of this stuff before,..:scared:

[aproudmom]

a crowd of thousands will show up for her public memorial service on Thursday.

Organizers have prepared for as many as 8,000 guests, but there’s only enough parking for 500 cars.

The public service is scheduled for 1 p.m. Thursday at the West High School gym, 1775 W. Lowell Ave.

omg 8,000 people this little girl has touched so many not only those in Tracy all over America..

HLN is carrying it live Robin Mead just said they would be at 4pm my time...

[aproudmom]

I have really worried so much about Sandra's mother but just reading that she is doing OK right now makes me feel a little better..since I saw her on GMA I have worried to death about her..I know she wants her baby back but at least she is holding up at this time..

a much smaller collection of relatives and classmates signed the girl's tiny pink casket before it was buried at a private funeral service.

"It was sorrowful, but it was meaningful," said Tracy police Chaplain Don Higgins, who led Wednesday's service at Fry Memorial Chapel. "It was what the family desired, and I think that's what spoke to their hearts."

A somber gathering of about 170 family and friends watched videos of the bubbly second-grader. Relatives read poetry. A horse-drawn carriage carried Sandra's casket to the Tracy Mausoleum.

"The family was rock steady," said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman, who attended Wednesday's service:crying:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090416/A_NEWS/904160335/-1/A_SPECIAL0263

[lunchlady]

The timing of the blade swallowing is interesting. Maybe she thought that being ill would help her avoid intense scrutiny when the body was found? Perhaps she was jealous of the attention and ambulances for Sandra's mom and uncle or whoever the other relative was? Being sick is a classic way to avoid things and get sympathy, to change your status in the group. Perhaps she was also punishing herself but I'm inclined to think she was again trying to spin things in her inept way.

Kids at funerals: I think this really depends on the kid and how old they are. I vividly remember going to open casket funerals when I was a kid and even touching my grandparents' faces. It made me realize the finality of death and I appreciated being allowed to participate in the grief ritual instead of being marginalized because of my age. However I was a very curious and pragmatic child, and I resented adults the most when they were too lazy to explain difficult things to me. They had the excuse that I was too young or fragile to comprehend things but I didn't feel that way at all and instead searched out information on my own. I checked out books in the regular section of the library from the age of 10, having run through the children's section and sensed that a huge amount of information was being left out.
However, some kids aren't made this way. And the way Sandra died is so creepy. I never went to a funeral like hers and I don't know what sort of effect it would have had on me. But all the kids in that town are going to be affected by this crime and the stories built up around it anyway, so including them in a memorial of some sort is probably a good idea. If they can understand how devastating and abnormal Sandra's death is it may give them a perspective that won't simply make them terrified of all adults and going out in the world. But its still so creepy that life is going to be weird in that area for a long long time.

[CC I See]

Troubles in Tracy

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7344342&page=1

[LILMANMAX]

Then why not cut your wrist?:rolleyes:


Too long to bleed out.
That is if you are serious. :rolleyes:

[Texas48]

oh I saw you have always took your kids to funerals I know alot do and I never wanted the kids to be scared I just did not want them to go because of what it did to me..I have also wondered about them being wrapped

Bugout had this in the links I dont know much about this but here is the link
A common denominator among victims of self-embedding disorder is that they also suffer from other psychological disorders, Shiels says. Teens in the study had been diagnosed with depression, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and posttraumatic stress disorder

Severe Self-Injury a Threat to Teens
Researchers Identify Self-Embedding Disorder Among Teenagers

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20081202/severe-self-injury-a-threat-to-teensTY mom for the link..it was an interesting read..Oh my..did not ever realize all that takes place. Oh dear..

[MoonFlwr]

I have really worried so much about Sandra's mother but just reading that she is doing OK right now makes me feel a little better..since I saw her on GMA I have worried to death about her..I know she wants her baby back but at least she is holding up at this time..

"The family was rock steady," said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman, who attended Wednesday's service:crying:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090416/A_NEWS/904160335/-1/A_SPECIAL0263

Respectfully snipped to comment on certain points.

I felt the same way about Sandra's Mum when I saw her on GMA. I only got to watch that today. She was so broken-up, she couldn't talk and was having problems breathing steadily, even. :(
Poor, poor lady....

Sgt Sheneman looked so utterly saddened when he spoke to reporters after the funeral.

[Texas48]

You know maybe she had digestive problems because she did things like this before..Bugout had a thing in the links I don't know much about those kind of things but if she did have problems prior to this maybe she swallowed thing before..and hope that is not why her child is not well I am still thinking :ohmy:with the blades but guess it does happen..and she was ask by a text from the media and she said "No I did not try to kill myself LOL" laugh out loud OK odd like I said but we are talking about her and we are normal or sure hope we all are..lol:biggrin:Oh My mom...do u think mabe she did something to her little girl? I suppose anything is possible. I hope MH's mother or someone has that baby checked inside and out and all around..

[nc1948]

Pleasure, mom! :) Glad you did it.

Morning n/t ....and others who are around.
n/t I think you made a valid point at the end of the last thread about cases which may have gone unsolved because LE weren't really 'expecting' a woman to be involved.


It is interesting that even on the message boards posters are looking for the accomplice. Some cannot comprehend that a woman could do this alone. And in my opinion the jury will give a lesser sentence because she is a woman.
We (media, LE, posters) need to understand and accept that women can be as evil as men. We are so much more apt to trust women around our children. We see a strange man talking to a child and immediately we become suspicious , yet if it is a woman we consider her compassionate or just frendly.

[psbperu]

Perhaps I am not reading all I should but do have a couple of questions:

Was this an attempt to swallow the blades or did she actually swallow them & what size were they if she completed the act?

I would like to see an official report to substantiate that she actually did swallow them & how she was treated at the hospital. Probably won't cause of privacy issues.

[Texas48]

Ive seem posters do all kinds of experiments on these crime boards.
My advice. Do not try this experiment at home.:tonguewag:OMG . I never thought of that either..but I have read where several did do experiments...I bet NO ONE will try this one..lol..NOT ME thats for sure.:scared:

[panache]

Troubles in Tracy

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7344342&page=1

Thanks so much for this link. There's some interesting side articles there about women who kill. I was captivated by the content.

[aproudmom]

Here is the online memorial book from fry chapel this I know will go to the family we have this at both our chapels so here is the link if anyone wants to send a message to them.

http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

In Loving Memory of
Sandra Renee Cantu
Mar 8, 2001 - Apr 6, 2009
Tracy, CA

[nc1948]

For me, I have taken my children to funeral homes since they were in my arms. I wanted them to not fear death.

This is such a person choice. My son's paternal grandfather died when he was 7. Only grandchild and he and his grandfather were extreemly close(in other words grandaddy spoiled him) My husbands family is very open about death and Mother in law simply stated he would be there. I was not sure , but after much discussion we decided to take him. I am glad we did. He touched his grandfather, took a picture of them together to put in coffin, kissed him and talked about where he was now. I believe it was the right thing to do, but agree that it would not be the right thing for others. Each child and family is different, this was right for us but could have been a disaster for others.

[aproudmom]

I think alot of people need to start doing this or having neighborhood watches..we have to keep our kids safe.

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1056/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Residents-Beefing-Up-Security-in-Light-of-Sandra-Cantu-Murder/Default.aspx

The handyman says he is taking extra precaution to protect his most treasured possession, his daughter Elizabeth, “She’s the only daughter I have, she’s my little princess.”

Maureen notes that Martinez is not the only one at the park hoping to make their home safer. Two other residents have asked the handyman about getting cameras on their homes.

Martinez also says he just built a fence around one home and recently spoke to a woman who wants to install a framed security door.

[firefly75]

I think she loved attention it is what got her caught as fast as she did..talking to the media..I will say most people that want to kill them self do it and make sure it works..

I agree! I think she was looking for attention and sympathy. She seems like an attention seeker.....always seems to be saying "hey, look at me" A very immature monster!!!

For Sandra:rose:

[Texas48]

i was just googling about swallowing razor blades and came across this site. seems people are swallowing a heck of alot more than just razor blades! how the heck?! :ohmy:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/48/2/162Well....TY for the link to a very interesting read...I must say..in ALL my years..I am stunned..shocked..I will leave it at that. :scared:

[firefly75]

This is such a person choice. My son's paternal grandfather died when he was 7. Only grandchild and he and his grandfather were extreemly close(in other words grandaddy spoiled him) My husbands family is very open about death and Mother in law simply stated he would be there. I was not sure , but after much discussion we decided to take him. I am glad we did. He touched his grandfather, took a picture of them together to put in coffin, kissed him and talked about where he was now. I believe it was the right thing to do, but agree that it would not be the right thing for others. Each child and family is different, this was right for us but could have been a disaster for others.

That was a beautiful peaceful memory for your son....:rose:

[Texas48]

Morning Texas :)

Well, it's been suggested by some that Melissa didn't really want to commit suicide, but just to use it for another reason (whatever that may be....attention, as a distraction ..or..who knows).
If that was the case, then she'd want a little damage inside, but not life-threatening damage, I'd imagine.Oh my moonie...did you read the link that *jomomma* posted? Its a must read link. I'm still holding my head..

[Texas48]

I sure hope no one tries it if we have any posters missing we may want to check on them:laugh:

Please no one try to swallow blades we don't want to lose our posters..lol..I know it is not funny but play nice got it stated:tonguewag:In most cases I have followed I usually end up *shaking* my head..In some cases..I end up *holding* my head. In this case I am *shaking and holding* my head...and now laughing at mom's post..our missing posters...lol

[Texas48]

rofl! I missed that one! Yes, I've seen posters dash off to try things out, for the sake of science and truth...but this one..NO, PLEASE! ;)
Moonie..I did..in Haleigh's case..seeing if a child her height could reach a dvd player on top of a tall dresser..lol. I will pass on this. I hope everyone passes on this experiement..I know they will pass on it...I don't believe I will read any more links in ref. to razoe blades and *stuff*..lol.Only reason I am laughing at myself and holding and shaking my head again.

[Texas48]

omg fgs you have got to be kidding me..guess I never heard of this stuff before,..:scared:
See..I told yall it was bad...I'm glad you were also in the dark about...all that stuff. I'm glad I'm not the only one..lol..oh my.

[aproudmom]

This is the first I ever heard her father told anyone she may have tried to harm herself and was did everything to plea for police to come get her??OK anyone else hear this



Huckaby’s father told me she had bouts of depression and difficulty dealing with her divorce. He said he was concerned that she may have tried to hurt herself in the days after Sandra went missing, because she was briefly hospitalized, as she has been often in recent years. Once she was released, she did everything but plea for police to come get her, and was soon arrested.
First, Huckaby gave a 40-minute phone interview to a young reporter at the Tracy Press, explaining that she was partial to the local paper. She admitted that the rolling suitcase was hers, said it had been stolen. When television reporters soon came calling, she claimed to have found a cryptic note from the killer. Driving her Kia toward the police station hours later, she smiled and waved

[aproudmom]

In most cases I have followed I usually end up *shaking* my head..In some cases..I end up *holding* my head. In this case I am *shaking and holding* my head...and now laughing at mom's post..our missing posters...lol

:biggrin:everyone is here right??if not send out a SOS
I guess I live in a bubble I have never heard of such a thing but it does happen the link was very interesting I seem to learn something new everyday on here...

[Texas48]

Troubles in Tracy

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7344342&page=1
TY for the link CC..it was a very good article. I remember seeing about the boy that had been help captive and followed it as long as the news carried it. I often woundered what happened to him..Thanks again

[StickyBeak]

See..I told yall it was bad...I'm glad you were also in the dark about...all that stuff. I'm glad I'm not the only one..lol..oh my.

Same here, I wonder if there are Warnings on the boxes, DO NOT INGEST like do not drink or consume drain o.. Unreal....

[aproudmom]

See..I told yall it was bad...I'm glad you were also in the dark about...all that stuff. I'm glad I'm not the only one..lol..oh my.

I am glad I am not alone either..actually I find posters on here to be almost like detectives some amaze me what they can find and will not stop until they find something to try to explain things..I have seen it on 3 threads I am on alot..

oh BTW if ur from Texas my son an sister loved it there maybe going back soon on another road trip..sorry o/t

[Texas48]

It is interesting that even on the message boards posters are looking for the accomplice. Some cannot comprehend that a woman could do this alone. And in my opinion the jury will give a lesser sentence because she is a woman.
We (media, LE, posters) need to understand and accept that women can be as evil as men. We are so much more apt to trust women around our children. We see a strange man talking to a child and immediately we become suspicious , yet if it is a woman we consider her compassionate or just frendly.
I completely agree..we never think a woman..especially a woman with children could be capable of such a horrific crime. Remember the teacher that was caught with the student? Not the one that had a child with but the one that the attorney told the judge his client was TOO Pretty to spend time in jail..so I believe they gave her probation instead of jail time.. IF that would have been a man he would have been under the jail..so I see a big difference. There have been other cases as well. I am so glad my children are grown but I do have several *young* grandkids and I worry myself sick over them. Heckk the way it is now days I don't if ppl can even trust their next door neighbors. kwim?

[Texas48]

Here is the online memorial book from fry chapel this I know will go to the family we have this at both our chapels so here is the link if anyone wants to send a message to them.

http://www.frymemorialchapel.com/obit-service-schedule.jsp?site=0414&id=43353

In Loving Memory of
Sandra Renee Cantu
Mar 8, 2001 - Apr 6, 2009
Tracy, CATY very much mom for sharing.

[aproudmom]

The timing of the blade swallowing is interesting. Maybe she thought that being ill would help her avoid intense scrutiny when the body was found? Perhaps she was jealous of the attention and ambulances for Sandra's mom and uncle or whoever the other relative was? Being sick is a classic way to avoid things and get sympathy, to change your status in the group. Perhaps she was also punishing herself but I'm inclined to think she was again trying to spin things in her inept way.

Kids at funerals: I think this really depends on the kid and how old they are. I vividly remember going to open casket funerals when I was a kid and even touching my grandparents' faces. It made me realize the finality of death and I appreciated being allowed to participate in the grief ritual instead of being marginalized because of my age. However I was a very curious and pragmatic child, and I resented adults the most when they were too lazy to explain difficult things to me. They had the excuse that I was too young or fragile to comprehend things but I didn't feel that way at all and instead searched out information on my own. I checked out books in the regular section of the library from the age of 10, having run through the children's section and sensed that a huge amount of information was being left out.
However, some kids aren't made this way. And the way Sandra died is so creepy. I never went to a funeral like hers and I don't know what sort of effect it would have had on me. But all the kids in that town are going to be affected by this crime and the stories built up around it anyway, so including them in a memorial of some sort is probably a good idea. If they can understand how devastating and abnormal Sandra's death is it may give them a perspective that won't simply make them terrified of all adults and going out in the world. But its still so creepy that life is going to be weird in that area for a long long time.

oh I hope no one took it that they should not allow their kids to go to funerals like you said it just depends on the parent and since I went to 2 with in 2 yrs for close friends at that age my parents never knew it would effect me in that way..I still to this day feel bad cause I did not let my friend ride my bike at church then she got mulled by dogs the same week..and I saw the other friend run into the road and killed so I think that has a lot of the reason also for me...but I agree with you it just depends on the age...I am sure these kids will have counselors there for them for some time

[Texas48]

:biggrin:everyone is here right??if not send out a SOS
I guess I live in a bubble I have never heard of such a thing but it does happen the link was very interesting I seem to learn something new everyday on here...Me and thee mom..I suppose I have been very sheltered. When one gets *up* in age (me) we seem to think we have seen it all. Well..I can say this now...I aint seen nothing. lol..all this information is overwhelming.:scared:

[Texas48]

I am glad I am not alone either..actually I find posters on here to be almost like detectives some amaze me what they can find and will not stop until they find something to try to explain things..I have seen it on 3 threads I am on alot..

oh BTW if ur from Texas my son an sister loved it there maybe going back soon on another road trip..sorry o/t..Dallas..:thumbsup:sorry CW..

[aproudmom]

It is interesting that even on the message boards posters are looking for the accomplice. Some cannot comprehend that a woman could do this alone. And in my opinion the jury will give a lesser sentence because she is a woman.
We (media, LE, posters) need to understand and accept that women can be as evil as men. We are so much more apt to trust women around our children. We see a strange man talking to a child and immediately we become suspicious , yet if it is a woman we consider her compassionate or just frendly.

I know I am still looking for one..and they keep saying no there is no one else and ITA with your post we do have to change the way we think and evil does come from not only men..very good post nc

[aproudmom]

Me and thee mom..I suppose I have been very sheltered. When one gets *up* in age (me) we seem to think we have seen it all. Well..I can say this now...I aint seen nothing. lol..all this information is overwhelming.:scared:

I was looking into all her debt and wonder if she did not have bi-polar it is odd to have so much debt at that age..the Dr bills at first did not bother me but then the credit cards jewelry started wondering if she has manic and depressive states which is a lot of times bipolar and if she did have all those doc bills was it for her or her child and was she harming herself..which we may never know with the hipaa laws..I still can not get over the blades though..has that been confirmed by LE not that it is not the case but all the media is reporting that was the reason she was in the ICU

Dallas they loved it got tons of pics from there:biggrin:

[aproudmom]

TY very much mom for sharing.

No problem I just knew the family would get that since they do that at a lot of funeral homes these days..I left mine yesterday I think...and sent out cards a few days ago..just letting them know I was thinking of them they have a long hard road to go down..with a trial omg kinda wish she would plea to save them that pain..but wont happen I am sure..jmo

[aproudmom]

I have a hard time believing she wanted to die. She has a small child. Swallow the blades (possibly wrapped in something) deflect attention from herself and get a ride to the hospital. Since it's been reported that she has bleeding ulcers....

I am wondering if she did not have all those doctor bills for a reason other than ulcers..I have them not bleeding ones..but I have heard she had digestive problems, ulcers and then she said internal bleeding so who do we believe. It was reported she also had allergies I think..and her child was sickly did not hear why that was reported..I am not so sure she wanted to end her life either but that is just me and MO

[nc1948]

I completely agree..we never think a woman..especially a woman with children could be capable of such a horrific crime. Remember the teacher that was caught with the student? Not the one that had a child with but the one that the attorney told the judge his client was TOO Pretty to spend time in jail..so I believe they gave her probation instead of jail time.. IF that would have been a man he would have been under the jail..so I see a big difference. There have been other cases as well. I am so glad my children are grown but I do have several *young* grandkids and I worry myself sick over them. Heckk the way it is now days I don't if ppl can even trust their next door neighbors. kwim?

Well this woman is someones neighbor. And yes, if it were a man it would have been handled differently. I do remember the "too pretty to serve time in jail" case. It is astonishing what men will do for a pretty face. I to have grown children, but I also have a grandchild. He and I travel a lot together. I hate when we go to restrooms (he is to old to go into the womens) I stand outside the mens room door and if he takes to long, I have gone inside to get him. I know I embarrass him, but he takes it well. He knows his granny is nuts.

[aproudmom]

I have heard it is very hard to get the insanity plea in CA I am not so sure she will be able to use that..jmo

http://www.huliq.com/3257/79754/melissa-huckaby-attempted-suicide-prior-arrest-report

The report, broadcast on SF Bay Area local radio station KCBS, indicated that Melissa Huckaby, 28, was hospitalized after swallowing three X-Acto knife blades mere days before her arrest in the Sandra Cantu case.

During the period before that date, it is expected that Huckaby will have a psychiatric examination, in a likely attempt to bolster a possible insanity defense. That defense may not hold much water, however.

Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist and chairman of The Forensic Panel, told CBS News:

"This is a suspect who made numerous efforts to cover up her previous remarks and those are the kind of things that make an insanity plea harder. She had communication with media and other people that was rational to them. That may get in the way of some of what she's doing."

[aproudmom]

Well this woman is someones neighbor. And yes, if it were a man it would have been handled differently. I do remember the "too pretty to serve time in jail" case. It is astonishing what men will do for a pretty face. I to have grown children, but I also have a grandchild. He and I travel a lot together. I hate when we go to restrooms (he is to old to go into the womens) I stand outside the mens room door and if he takes to long, I have gone inside to get him. I know I embarrass him, but he takes it well. He knows his granny is nuts.

I said the same thing the other night..the teacher was to pretty to go to prison because there was so many reports that she was crying in court and I thought o boy if that was a man no one would care if he broke down and fainted...so I agree...watching a trial on IS of a 73 yr old women accused of killing her husband..we got to get off the thinking only men do these things and I think this will change a lot of how they look at things..imo

[BevAnn]

I said the same thing the other night..the teacher was to pretty to go to prison because there was so many reports that she was crying in court and I thought o boy if that was a man no one would care if he broke down and fainted...so I agree...watching a trial on IS of a 73 yr old women accused of killing her husband..we got to get off the thinking only men do these things and I think this will change a lot of how they look at things..imo


talking about waiting on sons to go the bathroom - remember the case of the 11 yr old at the camp grounds...went into the rest room and a guy in there molested and mutilated him?? omg that was just a case that scared the $%^$ outta me!!

Now, I go stand watch while my 11 and 14 yr olds go the bathroom. They think I'm paranoid, and that's ok!

Melissa not letting her daughter out to play very much, tells me a whole lot about Melissa. She KNEW the dangers very well, because she WAS one of those dangers herself. :angry:

[doradoll]

I had a patient who swallowed razor blades before. Coincidently, he also was a self-mutilator.....cut himself everywhere (and I DO mean everywhere). He was sexually abused by a male relative.

You can get the razor blades out with an endoscope. It is a flexible tube with a camera. It has a cage and/or "pinchers" on the end that can grab things. If there are bleeding areas, they can be cauterized to stop the bleeding. It goes down the mouth into the stomach.

[Texas48]

I was looking into all her debt and wonder if she did not have bi-polar it is odd to have so much debt at that age..the Dr bills at first did not bother me but then the credit cards jewelry started wondering if she has manic and depressive states which is a lot of times bipolar and if she did have all those doc bills was it for her or her child and was she harming herself..which we may never know with the hipaa laws..I still can not get over the blades though..has that been confirmed by LE not that it is not the case but all the media is reporting that was the reason she was in the ICU

Dallas they loved it got tons of pics from there:biggrin:Yeppers..its pretty nice indeed..Mom..where did u find info about Mh's bills? If its in the links I can go look..

[Texas48]

No problem I just knew the family would get that since they do that at a lot of funeral homes these days..I left mine yesterday I think...and sent out cards a few days ago..just letting them know I was thinking of them they have a long hard road to go down..with a trial omg kinda wish she would plea to save them a plea.that pain..but wont happen I am sure..jmoI also hope for a plea cause I hate for Sandra's mom to sit through a trial..OMG..I don't know how so many victims families go through the trial and all the info that comes out in court....especially if this one goes to court..I know I would not suvive it..I am not that strong..

[TxLady2]

I completely agree..we never think a woman..especially a woman with children could be capable of such a horrific crime. Remember the teacher that was caught with the student? Not the one that had a child with but the one that the attorney told the judge his client was TOO Pretty to spend time in jail..so I believe they gave her probation instead of jail time.. IF that would have been a man he would have been under the jail..so I see a big difference. There have been other cases as well. I am so glad my children are grown but I do have several *young* grandkids and I worry myself sick over them. Heckk the way it is now days I don't if ppl can even trust their next door neighbors. kwim?


Yep, there are a lot of sick people out there. I read that it is something like 4% of rapes and molestation are done by women.
I heard a blip on HLN the other day that this rape on Sandra was done after she was already dead... small comfort, I know.
I still think MH did not do this alone, and she did not intend to kill her. Just a feeling I have.
The older I get, the more amazed I am at the things that go on these days.

[Texas48]

Well this woman is someones neighbor. And yes, if it were a man it would have been handled differently. I do remember the "too pretty to serve time in jail" case. It is astonishing what men will do for a pretty face. I to have grown children, but I also have a grandchild. He and I travel a lot together. I hate when we go to restrooms (he is to old to go into the womens) I stand outside the mens room door and if he takes to long, I have gone inside to get him. I know I embarrass him, but he takes it well. He knows his granny is nuts.been there and done that nc. My GS is 9yo and its right at that age...but he knows..what can/does happen so he is good about going to restroom w/one of us standing outside the door.lol..A grandmas gotta do what a grandmas gotta do..lol

[IlliniFan]

I had a patient who swallowed razor blades before. Coincidently, he also was a self-mutilator.....cut himself everywhere (and I DO mean everywhere). He was sexually abused by a male relative.

You can get the razor blades out with an endoscope. It is a flexible tube with a camera. It has a cage and/or "pinchers" on the end that can grab things. If there are bleeding areas, they can be cauterized to stop the bleeding. It goes down the mouth into the stomach.

I hadn't thought about using an edoscope...I've learned something today..


thanks..

[Texas48]

I am wondering if she did not have all those doctor bills for a reason other than ulcers..I have them not bleeding ones..but I have heard she had digestive problems, ulcers and then she said internal bleeding so who do we believe. It was reported she also had allergies I think..and her child was sickly did not hear why that was reported..I am not so sure she wanted to end her life either but that is just me and MOI heard last night on HLN that was baby was a premie.

[lunchlady]

Self-mutilators are so scary and also often downright crazy with a more pervasive diagnosis. I worked as a psych nurse for awhile and it does seem to be pretty common, especially with young women. It even seems to be somewhat chic nowadays, as part of the recent "emo" fashion craze. I think the rising number for self mutilation also reflects a high level of stress and confusion among young women.

One 14 year old girl had to be completely restrained when she got agitated to prevent her from gouging the inside of her vagina with her fingernails and anything else she could get her hands on.
Another girl had to be watched carefully while she went to the bathroom, stall door open, because she would stick any old thing she could get her hands on up herself.
Another girl got a "friend" to sew things into a teddy bear she brought during a visit- razor blades, Exlax, pills. These girls would be on CS (Constant Supervision) but were so determined and sneaky that it was hard to keep them safe even then. The teddy bear girl once managed to cut her arm with two staff within arms length. She snatched the plastic top off of a can of hair gel and slashed her forearm with it in a split second.
Another young woman became very well behaved and eventually got her supervision reduced to every 15 minutes checks. After a few hours she broke a window in her room with a garbage can and used a piece of glass to cut herself and came out of her room with a piece of broken glass held high in triumph. This was quite a feat with the chicken wire over the window glass.
All these antics seem sort of ridiculous but people do them anyway, acting out some sort of anger or distress. They also sometimes enjoy the excitement and attention and emotional responses from the staff and other patients. It often feels like they're trying to pull you into a dysfunctional relationship, trying to make you feel like the bad parent who can never measure up, and trying to get full control of the situation at all costs. They do this push-pull thing with you, chafing at any limits or rules, but then forcing you to come in and take control. Its like they've never gotten past being an extra-difficult adolescent.

This experience makes me understand why perps show up in jail with cuffs and shackles. They might be waiting for the perfect moment to lash out or run and have some contraband or other on their person. They have nothing else to focus on apparently.

[MoonHarvest]

Lunchlady, what a job. I'm starting to think if some people are so determined, so mentally/emotionally distraught to do this over and over, perhaps it's best to let them do it/end their life.

I do feel that most self mutilators were probably abused.

[aproudmom]

This has to be a rumor has anyone seen locals saying this?If so would they not have said they were in there..since she said she could not find them but she had one when they arrested her..it amazes me what some locals are saying she never said her keys and phone was stolen did she??

Huckaby's cell phone and keys were found in the suitcase with precious Sandra's remains

[Themis]

Yeppers..its pretty nice indeed..Mom..where did u find info about Mh's bills? If its in the links I can go look..
Melissa Lawless Huckaby and her Debts:

Note: Melissa Huckaby has debts under maiden and married names.

Link to story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/melissa-huckaby-rape-alle_n_186462.html

The original probably came out of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper but google coughed up this source first.
[JMO * Themis]

[aproudmom]

I had a patient who swallowed razor blades before. Coincidently, he also was a self-mutilator.....cut himself everywhere (and I DO mean everywhere). He was sexually abused by a male relative.

You can get the razor blades out with an endoscope. It is a flexible tube with a camera. It has a cage and/or "pinchers" on the end that can grab things. If there are bleeding areas, they can be cauterized to stop the bleeding. It goes down the mouth into the stomach.

They took my gallbladder out with one of those..never thought about that..

[meadowlark]

This has to be a rumor has anyone seen locals saying this?If so would they not have said they were in there..since she said she could not find them but she had one when they arrested her..it amazes me what some locals are saying she never said her keys and phone was stolen did she??

Huckaby's cell phone and keys were found in the suitcase with precious Sandra's remains

Now that would be very interesting IF turns out to be true, because the grandmother said she had found the keys and called Melissa and told her.

I am forgetting things already... did Melissa go back and get her keys after the grandmother called her to tell her she had found them?

[doradoll]

i was just googling about swallowing razor blades and came across this site. seems people are swallowing a heck of alot more than just razor blades! how the heck?! :ohmy:

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/48/2/162


wow, that was an interesting article, and described this particular patient that I had encountered exactly

[firefly75]

This has to be a rumor has anyone seen locals saying this?If so would they not have said they were in there..since she said she could not find them but she had one when they arrested her..it amazes me what some locals are saying she never said her keys and phone was stolen did she??

Huckaby's cell phone and keys were found in the suitcase with precious Sandra's remains


Oh my!!! If this is true then she would have to have someone come and get her. That would mean an acomplice....don't you think?

[meadowlark]

okay found what Melissa and her grandmother HAD said early on


Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

She forgot about the suitcase and left it on the driveway.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone

[aproudmom]

I hadn't thought about using an edoscope...I've learned something today..


thanks..

I got to thinking also I have upper GI's done 2 times a year so they could have took the scope down to look for any object..I guess they could have just took x-rays though since it was metal would not be hard to see them and where they were to remove them...

[aproudmom]

okay found what Melissa and her grandmother HAD said early on


Huckaby then set the packed suitcase on the driveway by her dark purple Kia SUV — the same one FBI agents and Tracy police detectives towed and searched Tuesday night. But she forgot her cell phone and keys inside the house, so she went back in for about 15 minutes to find them. She couldn’t, so she picked up the spare key and left.

She forgot about the suitcase and left it on the driveway.

When she got to the church, Huckaby’s grandmother called and said she found her keys and cell phone. Huckaby said that’s when she realized she had left the $200 suitcase outside. When her family went out to get it, they said it was gone

So they did find them I thought so..thanks

[aproudmom]

Now that would be very interesting IF turns out to be true, because the grandmother said she had found the keys and called Melissa and told her.

I am forgetting things already... did Melissa go back and get her keys after the grandmother called her to tell her she had found them?

I knew she had a cell when she left to go to be questioned but seen you found they did find them I was just doing a google search and it came up with alot of locals saying things and that was one..but did not think it was true..IIRC I did read the razor blade thing from someone on a blog before it was even released..so just wondered if they had finally found her phone since she at one time said she could not find them was thinking o crap first the luggage and now the keys..thanks for looking that up meadow..

[meadowlark]

So they did find them I thought so..thanks


well this is just a report of what MELISSA AND THE GRANDMOTHER said. It does not mean that is what really happened.

what if they were in the suitcase?


hmmm also think about this... where was Sandra at this point. grandmother is helping look for the keys? if Sandra were killed at the church then sandra was NOT sitting out there in the suitcase in the driveway. so was sandra at the house right before Melissa left or during that 15 minutes she is looking for her keys at the house? And why didn't grandma see Sandra if she was there?

So between leaving the lawless mobile and getting to the church, when does Melissa "pick up" Sandra? and where? or is Sandra already at the church? she can't be in the suitcase if she were killed at the church.


another thing, how can you not find the cell phone if it is in the mobile. you just call the number and it rings DUH... and they obviously have another phone in the mobile to use to call it, as the grandmother used it to call sandra at the church.

something is really screwy here. ???

[oodi]

Melissa Lawless Huckaby and her Debts:

Note: Melissa Huckaby has debts under maiden and married names.

Link to story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/melissa-huckaby-rape-alle_n_186462.html

The original probably came out of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper but google coughed up this source first.
[JMO * Themis]

$26,000 in debts seems reasonable, especially when $17,000 of it is in medical bills. It would be interesting to know what the medical bills were for, though. And I also wonder if there was any medical insurance. If that is just her share after any insurance, it is pretty high.

[meadowlark]

$26,000 in debts seems reasonable, especially when $17,000 of it is in medical bills. It would be interesting to know what the medical bills were for, though. And I also wonder if there was any medical insurance. If that is just her share after any insurance, it is pretty high.

seems she was always going to the hospital. also 5000.00 in ambulance bills. why all the emergencies? but I guess ambulance rides can add up fast?

here is something I will bring up since we are on the hospital bills.

Among her largest debts was to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, which sued her in 2002 for more than $10,000.

she was in TRACY long before moving in with grandparents?
Sutter Tracy Community Hospital
1420 N. Tracy Blvd.
Tracy, CA 95376
209-835-1500


in 2003 she was receiving 600.00 a month for disability, so my guess at that time she had a med-cal card for medical bills if she were on California State/and federal disability which sounds like she might have been. guessing this is what it was, I really don't know.

edit -adding this so we have some sort of TIME going on here

Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003
four months later in 2003 her daughter is born in San Joaquin County
so she was sued in 2002 in Tracy before the baby is born
To get a lawsuit sometime in 2002 she was not even pregnant then so we can know these med bills at tracy hospital has nothing at all to do with her being preg, and we also know that she was living in tracy all this time.

why do they make it sound like she was always in southern calif, and just came up to live with her grandparents 8 months ago? That just is not true. she might have went back to southern calif for awhile, but Melissa had been living in Tracy for quite some time in at least 2002-2003

[aproudmom]

well this is just a report of what MELISSA AND THE GRANDMOTHER said. It does not mean that is what really happened.

what if they were in the suitcase?


hmmm also think about this... where was Sandra at this point. grandmother is helping look for the keys? if Sandra were killed at the church then Sandra was NOT sitting out there in the suitcase in the driveway. so was Sandra at the house right before Melissa left or during that 15 minutes she is looking for her keys at the house? And why didn't grandma see Sandra if she was there?

So between leaving the lawless mobile and getting to the church, when does Melissa "pick up" Sandra? and where? or is Sandra already at the church? she can't be in the suitcase if she were killed at the church.


another thing, how can you not find the cell phone if it is in the mobile. you just call the number and it rings DUH... and they obviously have another phone in the mobile to use to call it, as the grandmother used it to call sandra at the church.

something is really screwy here. ???

That is the only reason I brought it up since she made it clear her keys and cell had been miss placed and pretty much put her luggage out there as being stolen why?in case it was found I am wondering was it reported if she came back to get her stuff if her stuff was missing (luggage)then why stay at the church for a hour or however long they said she was there..this whole thing gets crazier imo..I did see that one media AP I think it was had her pic in front of the Christmas tree and it said Connie lawless provided the picture not sure if it was off MH or her grandmas cell..and she also said she had been in the area of the dairy farm..I am still wondering did she want to be caught...so confusing

[aproudmom]

seems she was always going to the hospital. also 5000.00 in ambulance bills. why all the emergencies? but I guess ambulance rides can add up fast?

here is something I will bring up since we are on the hospital bills.

Among her largest debts was to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, which sued her in 2002 for more than $10,000.

she was in TRACY long before moving in with grandparents?
Sutter Tracy Community Hospital
1420 N. Tracy Blvd.
Tracy, CA 95376
209-835-1500


in 2003 she was receiving 600.00 a month for disability, so my guess at that time she had a med-cal card for medical bills if she were on California State/and federal disability which sounds like she might have been. guessing this is what it was, I really don't know.

you would think so if she was getting food stamps and the 600 a month she should have had some type of medical help..when they say disability I don't really get that was she still on it?
it is not that easy to get SSI or Disability payments and her child would also receive benefits monthly

[Themis]

$26,000 in debts seems reasonable, especially when $17,000 of it is in medical bills. It would be interesting to know what the medical bills were for, though. And I also wonder if there was any medical insurance. If that is just her share after any insurance, it is pretty high.

Here is another link (it's a cached version) which provides a bit of detail about those medical expenses:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:BPqVJZ6lQOEJ:cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.charges.2.984452.html+melissa+huckaby +lists+of+debts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

" In 2002, she worked as a cashier at a grocery store near the mobile home park. The following year, in May 2003, she filed for bankruptcy, listing just over $5,000 in assets and more than $26,000 in debts. She was 22 and expecting her first child. According to court documents, Melissa Lawless owed more than $17,000 in medical expenses, including two debts to ambulance services and $10,000 to a Tracy hospital. She earned a total of $10,525 in 2002 while working at the grocery store."

I cannot help but wonder why Huckaby's grandparents did not say anything early on in this case about Melissa's health problems. It is out of the norm that a 22 year old needed an ambulance 2 times (cost?) and racked up $10,000 in medical expenses at the Tracy hospital. Surely this was a subject that the Lane and Connie Lawless in Tracy had to have discussed with Melissa's parents who lived in southern California. Filing bankcruptcy at 23?

[JMO * Themis]

[meadowlark]

That is the only reason I brought it up since she made it clear her keys and cell had been miss placed and pretty much put her luggage out there as being stolen why?in case it was found I am wondering was it reported if she came back to get her stuff if her stuff was missing (luggage)then why stay at the church for a hour or however long they said she was there..this whole thing gets crazier imo..I did see that one media AP I think it was had her pic in front of the Christmas tree and it said Connie lawless provided the picture not sure if it was off MH or her grandmas cell..and she also said she had been in the area of the dairy farm..I am still wondering did she want to be caught...so confusing

yes there is something that is not adding up... yes why stay at the church for an hour? and where is sandra during this hour? if this hour even exists.

one thing she is doing is placing herself everywhere there is any evidence. the suitcase, the dairy farm area, the church, and she is writing the note(which I believe there really is one). she texts sandra's mother her suitcase is missing. in her cell phone interview she wants to make sure this is off of her grandfather. but she inserted herself into this the first day long before they were bothering her grandfather. So it can't be just to get them off her grandfather.

so, the reason she started day one bringing attention to herself?
at that point I don't think she wanted caught, It's possible she was having a good time leading the police around. she was still in a good mood when she went in for questioning. she seemed fine on the cell phone interview.

If we get a detailed timeline of everything going on and who said what/when, I think it will be easier to sort out WHEN she is thinking WHAT, and who is lying when. It will be a massive task. I will try to work on one.

[oodi]

Here is another link (it's a cached version) which provides a bit of detail about those medical expenses:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:BPqVJZ6lQOEJ:cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.charges.2.984452.html+melissa+huckaby +lists+of+debts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

" In 2002, she worked as a cashier at a grocery store near the mobile home park. The following year, in May 2003, she filed for bankruptcy, listing just over $5,000 in assets and more than $26,000 in debts. She was 22 and expecting her first child. According to court documents, Melissa Lawless owed more than $17,000 in medical expenses, including two debts to ambulance services and $10,000 to a Tracy hospital. She earned a total of $10,525 in 2002 while working at the grocery store."

I cannot help but wonder why Huckaby's grandparents did not say anything early on in this case about Melissa's health problems. It is out of the norm that a 22 year old needed an ambulance 2 times (cost?) and racked up $10,000 in medical expenses at the Tracy hospital. Surely this was a subject that the Lane and Connie Lawless in Tracy had to have discussed with Melissa's parents who lived in southern California. Filing bankcruptcy at 23?

[JMO * Themis]

You would think the family would have known... but it doesn't seem that this family communicates with each other much. :unsure:

As far as a 22 yr old needing an ambulance ride twice... I think we would need to know more about her medical and/or mental health history before knowing whether or not that is so unusual. It would be unusual for a 22 yr old in good physical and mental condition. We also don't know the circumstances, and whether or not anyone with a vehicle was available to take her to the hopsital.

[Themis]

you would think so if she was getting food stamps and the 600 a month she should have had some type of medical help..when they say disability I don't really get that was she still on it?
it is not that easy to get SSI or Disability payments and her child would also receive benefits monthly
California has a state disability program for employees. IIRC, deductions are taken from your paycheck weekly and one is eligible for the program the first day a person is admitted to a hospital or 7 days of unpaid sick leave. IIRC, no health/medical benefits are part of that.
It is not meant for long term benefits; there is a time limit.

However, there is a California medical program for the indigent. Here's a link I found about that. I know nothing about it personally.

http://www.chcf.org/topics/view.cfm?itemID=123106

This is a different program from federal Social Security Disability (SSD) program and Social Security's Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program. It is true that the federal SSD and SSI programs are long term benefits with a lot of paperwork by the claimant and the treating doctor(s).

In any event none of this matters much in the larger scheme of things; I am not going to get bogged about the details at this point. Huckaby's physical and/or mental health will only come into play during the trial in the event of an insanity defense which will be a hard role for a defense attorney to play with. [JMO * Themis]

[meadowlark]

seems she was always going to the hospital. also 5000.00 in ambulance bills. why all the emergencies? but I guess ambulance rides can add up fast?

here is something I will bring up since we are on the hospital bills.

Among her largest debts was to Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, which sued her in 2002 for more than $10,000.

she was in TRACY long before moving in with grandparents?
Sutter Tracy Community Hospital
1420 N. Tracy Blvd.
Tracy, CA 95376
209-835-1500


in 2003 she was receiving 600.00 a month for disability, so my guess at that time she had a med-cal card for medical bills if she were on California State/and federal disability which sounds like she might have been. guessing this is what it was, I really don't know.

edit -adding this so we have some sort of TIME going on here

Melissa married Johnny Huckaby on May 10, 2003
four months later in 2003 her daughter is born in San Joaquin County
so she was sued in 2002 in Tracy before the baby is born
To get a lawsuit sometime in 2002 she was not even pregnant then so we can know these med bills at tracy hospital has nothing at all to do with her being preg, and we also know that she was living in tracy all this time.

why do they make it sound like she was always in southern calif, and just came up to live with her grandparents 8 months ago? That just is not true. she might have went back to southern calif for awhile, but Melissa had been living in Tracy for quite some time in at least 2002-2003


quoting my own post so I can add to this and keep it together.

okay her family says she has all these problems because she went through a tough divorce and was a single mom. But look above at the dates and circumstances, she had all these problems before she was preg or married her husband.

and she was living in TRACY or at least San Joaquin County at the time, long before she is married or preg. So can't be blaming the x husband or her being a single mom. Something else is going on here.

[aproudmom]

OK watching this raw video of the last search of the church they had to know just what they were going for..all they brought out was 2 big yellow envelopes and put them in the back of the car in the truck..15 min search they knew what they were looking for IMO..

IF you got to the one that says Raw Video police search church again.. it shows pretty close up 5th one over I think
http://cbs5.com/local/Melissa.Huckaby.suicide.2.985418.html

[aproudmom]

quoting my own post so I can add to this and keep it together.

okay her family says she has all these problems because she went through a tough divorce and was a single mom. But look above at the dates and circumstances, she had all these problems before she was preg or married her husband.

and she was living in TRACY or at least San Joaquin County at the time, long before she is married or preg. So can't be blaming the x husband or her being a single mom. Something else is going on here.

good catch I never put the dates togather but they have said it was due to her bad divorce..

[meadowlark]

I agree there obviously is a note - LE says "suitcase" is spelled wrong.

I'm grateful you're willing to work on a timeline, but with LE being mum, we don't have any real idea when any of this actually happened. When she left for the church, when she returned, when her Grandmother called to tell her her cell phone and keys had been located - all very crucial pieces to add to the timeline - are only pure guesses.

well it won't be a timeline of FACTS... we can sort the FACTS from the things everyone SAID/ WHEN.

It will be a timeline of WHO SAID what/when. This way we can see who is obviously lying. We find out who it lying about what / when, inaccordance with what FACTS we do know, and we might be able to figure out something.

people lie for some reason. They don't just lie if they don't have something to hide, and it is these underlying hidden things that will tell us a lot more about what this case is really about.

I will be sure to reference every single thing; who said it, date said, if it is documented on a record, if it was said on video by the police, if it is said by a reporter, or someone connected to the case etc.

also will add if there were any changes down the road and reference when and after what information came out that might be why someone changed.

like I said, a momumental task, but I'll work on it.

I think we have people lying and I want to know why.

[meadowlark]

California has a state disability program for employees. IIRC, deductions are taken from your paycheck weekly and one is eligible for the program the first day a person is admitted to a hospital or 7 days of unpaid sick leave. IIRC, no health/medical benefits are part of that.
It is not meant for long term benefits; there is a time limit.

However, there is a California medical program for the indigent. Here's a link I found about that. I know nothing about it personally.

http://www.chcf.org/topics/view.cfm?itemID=123106

This is a different program from federal Social Security Disability (SSD) program and Social Security's Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program. It is true that the federal SSD and SSI programs are long term benefits with a lot of paperwork by the claimant and the treating doctor(s).

In any event none of this matters much in the larger scheme of things; I am not going to get bogged about the details at this point. Huckaby's physical and/or mental health will only come into play during the trial in the event of an insanity defense which will be a hard role for a defense attorney to play with. [JMO * Themis]

this is where I am so much different. I will pay attention to all the details, not because I care about the details so much but I want to find the inconsistencies.

I care about knowing about her mental health, but not because of her defense. I want to know where she was, what kind of lifestyle she was living, how easily she is influenced, who she was around, did her problems start at a certain point, and if so, where was she at the time, who was she living with. etc. I have completely different reasons for wanting to know these things. The only way I know to figure these things out is to dig into her whole background and track what she was doing, who she knew, where she lived, her neighbors, her roommates, people she was in contact with etc. And when did she start showing signs of becoming like she did. Because people are not born this way, they become this way for a reason. And I want to know what and when that reason is... not because of her mental health issue or her defense, but rather what it was / is that she is around

[titanfan217]

Today we celebrate the life of another angel, Sandra.

Although we think she made her journey to heaven too soon, we thank God for her life and what she has meant to her family.

We vision her skipping and dancing through the streets of heaven and hope she has already met lots of new friends there.

Personally, today I think of other angels who may be waiting for her: Jake, Caleb, Ryan, Cole, Christal, Caylee, Spencer, Matthew, Peyton, Chloe, Gunner, most of who are early angels by another monster (cancer).

Sandra, you've touched our hearts.

[Themis]

this is where I am so much different. I will pay attention to all the details, not because I care about the details so much but I want to find the inconsistencies.

I care about knowing about her mental health, but not because of her defense. I want to know where she was, what kind of lifestyle she was living, how easily she is influenced, who she was around, did her problems start at a certain point, and if so, where was she at the time, who was she living with. etc. I have completely different reasons for wanting to know these things. The only way I know to figure these things out is to dig into her whole background and track what she was doing, who she knew, where she lived, her neighbors, her roommates, people she was in contact with etc. And when did she start showing signs of becoming like she did. Because people are not born this way, they become this way for a reason. And I want to know what and when that reason is... not because of her mental health issue or her defense, but rather what it was / is that she is around
Go for it, Meadowlark, and more power to you. I mean that sincerely. I'm interested in reading your future posts.

What I've seen from the family dynamics so far, IMO, lots of relatives very involved with their religion and going to church--some of them 'Pastors'. It looks to me as if, initially, they are spending a lot of time right now in the church of denial / protective of their public image...thinking back to their early public comments. Examples include grandmother Connie Lawless very weird responses, attitude, and demeanor when she and her husband were 'interviewed' inside their car; the aunt who would not give her full name but gave reporters statements in that recording; the father who says that girl is not my daughter; the uncle speaking in the church parking lot who would not give his full name (but perhaps I misunderstood that); and the fact that Melissa's mother is off in some undisclosed location vacationing with Melissa's daughter. As you said in a recent post: 'something else is going on here.' [JMO * Themis]

P.S. KKKKKatie, thank you very much for your post 129!

[For Gabriel]

Too long to bleed out.
That is if you are serious. :rolleyes:

Sounds like she wasn't serious...:rolleyes:

[aproudmom]

this is where I am so much different. I will pay attention to all the details, not because I care about the details so much but I want to find the inconsistencies.

I care about knowing about her mental health, but not because of her defense. I want to know where she was, what kind of lifestyle she was living, how easily she is influenced, who she was around, did her problems start at a certain point, and if so, where was she at the time, who was she living with. etc. I have completely different reasons for wanting to know these things. The only way I know to figure these things out is to dig into her whole background and track what she was doing, who she knew, where she lived, her neighbors, her roommates, people she was in contact with etc. And when did she start showing signs of becoming like she did. Because people are not born this way, they become this way for a reason. And I want to know what and when that reason is... not because of her mental health issue or her defense, but rather what it was / is that she is around

ITA details really mean a lot and we have to remember all along her family was saying she didnt have depression or whatever until she went through a bad divorce, I did see she had moved in with her mom and dad for awhile after the divorce..not sure what she did after that..

she does have some college behind her and worked in a mental facility in the billing or medical coding can not remember which one..I think this is all in the links IIRC

[aproudmom]

Go for it, Meadowlark, and more power to you. I mean that sincerely. I'm interested in reading your future posts.

What I've seen from the family dynamics so far, IMO, lots of relatives very involved with their religion and going to church--some of them 'Pastors'. It looks to me as if, initially, they are spending a lot of time right now in the church of denial / protective of their public image...thinking back to their early public comments. Examples include grandmother Connie Lawless very weird responses, attitude, and demeanor when she and her husband were 'interviewed' inside their car; the aunt who would not give her full name but gave reporters statements in that recording; the father who says that girl is not my daughter; the uncle speaking in the church parking lot who would not give his full name (but perhaps I misunderstood that); and the fact that Melissa's mother is off in some undisclosed location vacationing with Melissa's daughter. As you said in a recent post: 'something else is going on here.' [JMO * Themis]

P.S. KKKKKatie, thank you very much for your post 129!

I noticed at first they did not want anyone to know who they were..and CL she seemed to have no emotion at all over a child that was at her home daily since she was little..but maybe me reading into it way to much cause I did not like the Abuse part in her statement before anyone knew anything about abuse...but she said how could anyone abuse and kill that tiny little thing..and as far as LL alot found him looking down meant he knew something but that is not true imo...if she told him surely he would have told LE..

[aproudmom]

Today we celebrate the life of another angel, Sandra.

Although we think she made her journey to heaven too soon, we thank God for her life and what she has meant to her family.

We vision her skipping and dancing through the streets of heaven and hope she has already met lots of new friends there.

Personally, today I think of other angels who may be waiting for her: Jake, Caleb, Ryan, Cole, Christal, Caylee, Spencer, Matthew, Peyton, Chloe, Gunner, most of who are early angels by another monster (cancer).

Sandra, you've touched our hearts.

that is so sweet

[For Gabriel]

that is so sweet

Wasn't it? Even for us loss moms who have angels above.... :(

[aproudmom]

Yes....and Prop 63 is noted on her court papers that we saw before. I am on vacation and don't have the link to them....sorry

Prop 63 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_63_(2004)


Must be nice KK have a wonderful vacation
it is all in the links IIRC I read up on prop 63 the other day..did not make me think she was insane..she could have said she was depressed and they have to evaluated her..she plead and the judge told her if she did the one yr program then some charge would be dropped..I don't know for sure why they offered it to her..we may never know..but I do not think they will find her not capable to stand trial due to insanity defence

[girlspell]

It's not uncommon for very low income people to use ambulances for minor things, that other people would use a car for. When I worked with pregnant teens the typical way for them to get to the hospital - in the normal case of healthy, normally progressing labor - was in an ambulance.


I agree. Also a visit to the doctor will require an insurance card. A hospital will have to treat you, no matter what. Sometimes people that don' t have insurance will go straight to a hospital for the most minor thing.

[aproudmom]

this is in the links I had not heard she had went on a date with CS..Well I heard it just never heard it confirmed..

Huckaby's family expressed disbelief at the latest accusations. Her grandmother told KTVU she was home on March 27, the day Sandra Cantu disappeared.
Connie lawless said Melissa left the mobile home park for about an hour that Friday afternoon, telling her grandmother that she was going over to the church about a block and a half away to decorate a room.
Police searched the church twice last week.
Connie Lawless says when Melissa returned home, she did not appear any different than when she left.

Also: Late Monday, police also confirmed that Huckaby had gone on a date with a man who also lives at the mobile home park. Police have searched that man's home and towed three vehicles linked to him.

[aproudmom]

What is Prop. 63
This initiative would enact a new law to increase funding for mental health services to individuals who are not eligible for treatment through federally sponsored programs or their own health insurance plans. The additional revenue generated would be used exclusively to develop and expand integrated mental health services for children, adults, and seniors, including prevention, early intervention, education, and training programs.

http://www.healthvote.org/index.php/facts_analysis/C26/#01

[BevAnn]

You don't subscribe to the adage that some people are really just born evil, or bad? And no matter what outside influences there are in their lives, whether they are surrounded by love, etc they are still evil? *snip*


This is something I have always wondered about. Some times I say, yeah, they are born bad, then some times I think no way...something had to have happened to them along the way.

I know I watched a documentary on Jeffrey Dauhmer one time - it was a jail house interview with him and his father. It was EXTREMELY interesting. IIRC he said his parents divorced upset him grealty but no one never knew it because he kept it inside. He said his father was a distant man, didn't show much emotion to his children. And the father you could tell, was very surprised and upset by this news. He told the reporter, I never knew this. This is all very surprising to me.

And they went on to talk about how he was in scouts, or what not, and had a perfectly normal childhood by all accounts. Showed pictures of him growing up - he was a smiling happy looking little boy and teenager.

SO. Was he born bad? Did a few circumstances - that most people would process fine - cause him to go off track mentally?

I think it is a very interesting question. Like it's been said here many times - is this the one and only time Melissa assaulted a child? If yes, what made her do it all of sudden? If not, if this is a pattern no one knew about before now - was she born evil, or did she indeed have a history of being abused herself?

I am very anxious to hear about Melissa's past...

[aproudmom]

I agree. Also a visit to the doctor will require an insurance card. A hospital will have to treat you, no matter what. Sometimes people that don' t have insurance will go straight to a hospital for the most minor thing.

gosh not me it cost a arm and a leg to walk in there..at some point she got food stamps usually you can get medical also...maybe not in CA.

[aproudmom]

SSI is easy to get if you actually have a disability.

I think Melissa was able to work, just didn't or couldn't find 1 she wanted.

If her daughter was a premmie and had a disabiltiy from it, she would get it. But I don't recall who 1st labeled this little girl sickly,thin if it was Melissa, (she could have just lied to keep her daughter from going outside). The mother wouldn't get the health insurance it comes with, just the disabiled 1.

RipoffOctomom 2 or 3 kids get disability checks for adhd, autisum.

I think I confused this post, I need a short nap.:sleep:

SSI may be easier to get but not disability benefits...not sure about the preemie thing never heard that until today..you can get SSI for short time right? I know it took my mom 3 times to get disability and 5yrs and she has tons of medical problems..but I have heard if you have mental issues it is much easier to get..so you may be right..lol I just saw the octo mom thing yeah but she said that will end..I think I need a nappy to..

[girlspell]

gosh not me it cost a arm and a leg to walk in there..at some point she got food stamps usually you can get medical also...maybe not in CA.


Doctors are more presistant in demanding payment then hospitals. Hospital bills will go ignored for years. Hospitals are moraly required to treat anyone. Many people use the hospital and never pay. My brother in law at one time took his wife to the hospital for the birth of their child without insurance. He never payed the hospital bill.

[dinojen]

gosh not me it cost a arm and a leg to walk in there..at some point she got food stamps usually you can get medical also...maybe not in CA.

More than likely her daughter was covered under medicaid.. it's for low income families.. only the child is covered I believe. They have WIC programs, food programs..

Medicaid covers the childs health needs.. you don't receive a check..

To receive income I think that would be through the welfare program if you aren't working.. it definately wouldn't be paid through disability.


Here's some info on the CA Medicaid programs.

http://www.quickbrochures.net/medicare/california_medicaid_medicare.htm



Also, to receive disability you had to of paid so much into the system to be able to collect anything..

[Riverwalk!]

This is old, but it's an interview with Connie Lawless and hubby. Sort of interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzpNLYOLMg&feature=related

ETA: BEFORE Melissa was arrested.

[aproudmom]

This is something I have always wondered about. Some times I say, yeah, they are born bad, then some times I think no way...something had to have happened to them along the way.

I know I watched a documentary on Jeffrey Dauhmer one time - it was a jail house interview with him and his father. It was EXTREMELY interesting. IIRC he said his parents divorced upset him grealty but no one never knew it because he kept it inside. He said his father was a distant man, didn't show much emotion to his children. And the father you could tell, was very surprised and upset by this news. He told the reporter, I never knew this. This is all very surprising to me.

And they went on to talk about how he was in scouts, or what not, and had a perfectly normal childhood by all accounts. Showed pictures of him growing up - he was a smiling happy looking little boy and teenager.

SO. Was he born bad? Did a few circumstances - that most people would process fine - cause him to go off track mentally?

I think it is a very interesting question. Like it's been said here many times - is this the one and only time Melissa assaulted a child? If yes, what made her do it all of sudden? If not, if this is a pattern no one knew about before now - was she born evil, or did she indeed have a history of being abused herself?

I am very anxious to hear about Melissa's past...

I think a lot are saying she may have been abused at some point but I have no idea but I am like you how can you just wake up and turn into a monster..so hard to even think about..we hear it a lot that a person could never do that they never showed signs so good post..wish I knew..

[meadowlark]

You don't subscribe to the adage that some people are really just born evil, or bad? And no matter what outside influences there are in their lives, whether they are surrounded by love, etc they are still evil? I do, I believe there are people who begin by torturing small animals and work their way up the food chain, so to speak. They can come from a perfectly normal background, no history of abuse, no history of mental instability, they are just bad from the beginning.

I DO believe someone is lying, in this particular case, and MH is only one piece of the puzzle, but that's only MO. She just looks to me like she got caught up in something that took over her life, but for what reason? IDK

I personally don't believe you are BORN bad or evil, but I do believe you can get that way at a VERY EARLY AGE. Newborns don't torture animals, but very small children do. Something makes them that way. And yes you can come from what appears to be or really is a very loving family and still become that way(because there is "something" that is going on someone does not know about, inside or outside the family). It might have nothing at all to do with your family. It could be a friend of the family, a neighbor, a playmate, something you saw, you read, you got interested in forwhatever reason. Something you are around somewhere. And it can start at a very early age, or you can become influenced by something later on down the line.

Melissa's family is trying to put this all off on a bad divorce and her being a single mom is why she has so many problems. That just is not what I think at all. Maybe that is what they truly think. I don't. And I also don't think she was born that way. Somewhere, at some point, she learned to be the way she is. Some people are influenced at a very early age before they even know what is really right and wrong, and others just get tangled up in things for whatever reasons and they seem to not want out of it. Some learn to hate and they become horrible people, some want someone to pay attention to them so they go along, some get tangled up before they know it and can't get out of whatever they are involved in, some graduate from one bad thing to another, etc; but I don't believe you enter this world bad or evil. Something happens to get you on that path. That's my take. Especially, with criminals

[Rayosunshine]

If you swallowed something like that I do not see any way of passing them without extensive damage other than surgery.

Does anyone know if she was x-rayed for proof that she really did swallow the blades? I would believe, if she really did swallow them, there is a very strong chance of a bowel perforation that could result in peritonitis and death.

I'm looking for proof that she really did swallow 3 blades. I do have my doubts.

[For Gabriel]

Good, because I have a feeling that we are going to hear about Melissa's past, over and over and over again, every single little detail.

I just keep thinking about the look on her face, and the absolutely haunted expression in her eyes, and part of me sees that she is really hurting and wants to somehow protect her because IMO she did not do this alone. I don't believe we will find a trail of molested children across the state that will point a finger at her, and I don't believe that we will find out her daughter was molested. Call me crazy, call me gullible, but we have not heard the whole story and I think we will be in for a few shockers......nothing that will exonerate her participation in a very horrendous crime, but will show that she was, indeed, just a part of the puzzle. I think the REALLY bad person is still out there, wondering if she will break and give them up. And what they have theatened her with if she does. IMO only

ITA with this post. There is more out there about Melissa that is yet to come. The last sentence really made me think. Melissa has a young daughter. Was she threatened that harm would come to her child if she gave up info?

[aproudmom]

I just turned it on HLN saw the sheriff of Putnam county thought they may have found Haleigh..but no to people broke out of jail and killed someone..

sorry O/T I just wish that sweety would be found..

[cali650]

I have a hard time believing she wanted to die. She has a small child. Swallow the blades (possibly wrapped in something) deflect attention from herself and get a ride to the hospital. Since it's been reported that she has bleeding ulcers....

Agree. The expert (on NG) said it was not uncommon and that prisoners do this for attention. Perhaps the body can somehow cushion this kind of stuff; perhaps we've all accidentally swallowed small pieces of bone, the sharp shells of nuts, etc.

In a way, this fits with what Meadowlark has been suggesting, and that is that MH has studied, and is familiar with codes, behavioral signals and the conduct of killers and criminals.

[For Gabriel]

This is old, but it's an interview with Connie Lawless and hubby. Sort of interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzpNLYOLMg&feature=related

ETA: BEFORE Melissa was arrested.

Had not seen this one. Interesting, indeed.

[girlspell]

This is something I have always wondered about. Some times I say, yeah, they are born bad, then some times I think no way...something had to have happened to them along the way.

I know I watched a documentary on Jeffrey Dauhmer one time - it was a jail house interview with him and his father. It was EXTREMELY interesting. IIRC he said his parents divorced upset him grealty but no one never knew it because he kept it inside. He said his father was a distant man, didn't show much emotion to his children. And the father you could tell, was very surprised and upset by this news. He told the reporter, I never knew this. This is all very surprising to me.

And they went on to talk about how he was in scouts, or what not, and had a perfectly normal childhood by all accounts. Showed pictures of him growing up - he was a smiling happy looking little boy and teenager.

SO. Was he born bad? Did a few circumstances - that most people would process fine - cause him to go off track mentally?

I think it is a very interesting question. Like it's been said here many times - is this the one and only time Melissa assaulted a child? If yes, what made her do it all of sudden? If not, if this is a pattern no one knew about before now - was she born evil, or did she indeed have a history of being abused herself?

I am very anxious to hear about Melissa's past...

Dauhmer led a double life. He went to church when he lived with his religious grandmother. Afterwards he would wander the woods killing and torturing small animals. Nobody knew. the first time he killed someone, he got away with it. It was a teen runaway. After he killed him, he drove around with the body in the trunk. Was once stopped by the police, but they didn't look in the trunk. It scared him, so he buried him. He went for years afterwards never killing anyone. Going to church faithfully. No one knew.

[BevAnn]

Good, because I have a feeling that we are going to hear about Melissa's past, over and over and over again, every single little detail.

I just keep thinking about the look on her face, and the absolutely haunted expression in her eyes, and part of me sees that she is really hurting and wants to somehow protect her because IMO she did not do this alone. I don't believe we will find a trail of molested children across the state that will point a finger at her, and I don't believe that we will find out her daughter was molested. Call me crazy, call me gullible, but we have not heard the whole story and I think we will be in for a few shockers......nothing that will exonerate her participation in a very horrendous crime, but will show that she was, indeed, just a part of the puzzle. I think the REALLY bad person is still out there, wondering if she will break and give them up. And what they have theatened her with if she does. IMO only

I completely agree madame!! I have wondered if someone threatened her child - might be a reason she had her mom take her out of the area?

But I agree, she did this for some reason - I still say a financial reason. BUT what doesn't fit - is her attitude after Sandra was killed, until she was arrested. IF she was indeed scared by someone, and did it under their instruction, why in the heck was she parading about and courting the press so much?? That part doesnt fit in with a person threatening her to keep quiet.

So hard to figure out...

[aproudmom]

Does anyone know if she was x-rayed for proof that she really did swallow the blades? I would believe, if she really did swallow them, there is a very strong chance of a bowel perforation that could result in peritonitis and death.

I'm looking for proof that she really did swallow 3 blades. I do have my doubts.

I don't know that they have confirmed that..so I don't know..for sure cause of the hipaa laws not sure it could be released until trial if true..may leak out but not from LE

[For Gabriel]

Agree. The expert (on NG) said it was not uncommon and that prisoners do this for attention. Perhaps the body can somehow cushion this kind of stuff; perhaps we've all accidentally swallowed small pieces of bone, the sharp shells of nuts, etc.

In a way, this fits with what Meadowlark has been suggesting, and that is that MH has studied, and is familiar with codes, behavioral signals and the conduct of killers and criminals.

Totally makes sense, Cali! If she wanted to die (and I will never believe she did) than there are sure fire ways to accomplish such task.

[aproudmom]

This is old, but it's an interview with Connie Lawless and hubby. Sort of interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzpNLYOLMg&feature=related

ETA: BEFORE Melissa was arrested.

That is his brother-in-laws church they went to the other night..thanks for the link...

[cali650]

Good, because I have a feeling that we are going to hear about Melissa's past, over and over and over again, every single little detail.

I just keep thinking about the look on her face, and the absolutely haunted expression in her eyes, and part of me sees that she is really hurting and wants to somehow protect her because IMO she did not do this alone. I don't believe we will find a trail of molested children across the state that will point a finger at her, and I don't believe that we will find out her daughter was molested. Call me crazy, call me gullible, but we have not heard the whole story and I think we will be in for a few shockers......nothing that will exonerate her participation in a very horrendous crime, but will show that she was, indeed, just a part of the puzzle. I think the REALLY bad person is still out there, wondering if she will break and give them up. And what they have theatened her with if she does. IMO only

She's a seductress for her animal needs. Normal people have trouble getting their heads around this.

She's DIFFERENT even if she appears as a sympathetic character from time to time. OF COURSE, as her father says: she LOVES children! And she somehow can manifest a child-like appeal, in my opinion, like this sorry-@ss weepy persona. This is why kids will be around her, it's part of her trap, and how she can get attention and perhaps comfort, accompanied by physical affection. We saw the attorney AND the deputy give her *comforting* touches. She's good at attracting these behaviors.

[oodi]

SSI may be easier to get but not disability benefits...not sure about the preemie thing never heard that until today..you can get SSI for short time right? I know it took my mom 3 times to get disability and 5yrs and she has tons of medical problems..but I have heard if you have mental issues it is much easier to get..so you may be right..lol I just saw the octo mom thing yeah but she said that will end..I think I need a nappy to..

I've known people with serious and debilitating medical conditions that had to fight for years to get SSI. It is NOT easy to get my any means... with a few exceptions.

[meadowlark]

this is in the links I had not heard she had went on a date with CS..Well I heard it just never heard it confirmed..

Huckaby's family expressed disbelief at the latest accusations. Her grandmother told KTVU she was home on March 27, the day Sandra Cantu disappeared.
Connie lawless said Melissa left the mobile home park for about an hour that Friday afternoon, telling her grandmother that she was going over to the church about a block and a half away to decorate a room.
Police searched the church twice last week.
Connie Lawless says when Melissa returned home, she did not appear any different than when she left.

Also: Late Monday, police also confirmed that Huckaby had gone on a date with a man who also lives at the mobile home park. Police have searched that man's home and towed three vehicles linked to him.

only one date? so guess they did not hit it off so well?

or there were more dates and we don't know about them

hard to say, something to think about.

wonder how they became acquainted? Did she socialize in the MHP?

[bama__angel]

I just turned it on HLN saw the sheriff of Putnam county thought they may have found Haleigh..but no to people broke out of jail and killed someone..

sorry O/T I just wish that sweety would be found..



O/T also.....Haleigh was found alive?...I hope and pray........

[aproudmom]

I completely agree madame!! I have wondered if someone threatened her child - might be a reason she had her mom take her out of the area?

But I agree, she did this for some reason - I still say a financial reason. BUT what doesn't fit - is her attitude after Sandra was killed, until she was arrested. IF she was indeed scared by someone, and did it under their instruction, why in the heck was she parading about and courting the press so much?? That part doesnt fit in with a person threatening her to keep quiet.

So hard to figure out...

It is isn't it..I don't know that we will ever know unless she talks many have ask how was she living with no job and owned the KIA but I am not going to go that far as to say she was doing something for profit but wont say I am not sure something is not fishy around there..that wont get me in trouble for rumors..lol

[cali650]

well it won't be a timeline of FACTS... we can sort the FACTS from the things everyone SAID/ WHEN.

It will be a timeline of WHO SAID what/when. This way we can see who is obviously lying. We find out who it lying about what / when, inaccordance with what FACTS we do know, and we might be able to figure out something.

people lie for some reason. They don't just lie if they don't have something to hide, and it is these underlying hidden things that will tell us a lot more about what this case is really about.

I will be sure to reference every single thing; who said it, date said, if it is documented on a record, if it was said on video by the police, if it is said by a reporter, or someone connected to the case etc.

also will add if there were any changes down the road and reference when and after what information came out that might be why someone changed.

like I said, a momumental task, but I'll work on it.

I think we have people lying and I want to know why.


Bunches are trying to cover their @sses--from embarrassment at spending time with her, to (family) co-dependence and patterns of sex abuse, to complicity in crimes. Unsophisticated though, otherwise they would have had more money. (There are big, big bucks in criminally competently organized porn etc)

[Riverwalk!]

That is his brother-in-laws church they went to the other night..thanks for the link...

Right. Connie's dad was A.A. Harris founded that church. Her brother has taken over after the elder Harris died.

Dispelled the rumor about the rummage sale that Fred Williams was talking about.

Met another member of Clover Road church - Don Hughes.

[cali650]

I've known people with serious and debilitating medical conditions that had to fight for years to get SSI. It is NOT easy to get my any means... with a few exceptions.

VERY intense. VERY invasive. You are right. Can take years; a heartbreak for those who suffer.

[aproudmom]

Very interesting. This is baffling. They certainly seem above reproach -

One other interesting point, I think the trailer park maintenance guy mischaracterized Madison. According to Grandma, kids were in and out of the trailer all the time. The maintenance guy made some other comments, like all the other kids hang out and go to the park - like, they run as freely as Sandra did, so his frame of reference is that's how children should behave. Completely unsupervised. I get the impression Madison was supervised like most children, not like the ones the maintenance guy thought was more "normal".

I read today he said Sandra was the only one that was out playing and she knew everyone...kinda like she was all over the park and not all the other kids..which if not true I think it sounded as if she was allowed to roam out all the time..MLH lived 5 doors down..I am sure her mom wishes she never let her out the door after this and it is sad our kids can not be safe around who we think is a good person or people...so sad

[For Gabriel]

Saw the video of Sandra opening her presents, I'll assume this past Christmas? Really brings it home. ....

[For Gabriel]

I read today he said Sandra was the only one that was out playing and she knew everyone...kinda like she was all over the park and not all the other kids..which if not true I think it sounded as if she was allowed to roam out all the time..MLH lived 5 doors down..I am sure her mom wishes she never let her out the door after this and it is sad our kids can not be safe around who we think is a good person or people...so sad

I'm sure Sandra felt safe as well. Look how she skipped through the park, just looking for a playmate, something children do. Her mom will live with many a, "what if's" the rest of her life, that is the heart breaking part as well.

[nana6]

If you swallowed something like that I do not see any way of passing them without extensive damage other than surgery.

A doctor was on one of the talk shows last night and said that yes this can be done with a little bleeding from it when it is expelled. I was in shock!!

[aproudmom]

VERY intense. VERY invasive. You are right. Can take years; a heartbreak for those who suffer.

I know it is very hard unless your dying you have to really fight for it..well I have seen some get it very easy and those that really need to have to wait for years...my mom can not even hardly walk and has so many medical problems it took her 5 year she finally had to get a lawyer and go in front of a judge and she just got it this past summer..she gets disability so not sure if it is the same with SSI..

[aproudmom]

A doctor was on one of the talk shows last night and said that yes this can be done with a little bleeding from it when it is expelled. I was in shock!!

WOW omg no way..ouch:ohmy:

[aproudmom]

I'm sure Sandra felt safe as well. Look how she skipped through the park, just looking for a playmate, something children do. Her mom will live with many a, "what if's" the rest of her life, that is the heart breaking part as well.

I know and that even makes it sadder I am sure she did not have to drag her into her car..she could have even told her I ask your mom and she said it was ok....

[For Gabriel]

LOL, I heard him, too, but I once worked in an ER so I wasn't surprised, the body is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I just think something was being done to her, emotionally or physically, or maybe both, and she craved love, affection, attention...and someone had an evil hold on her. IMO

Satan can do powerful things.

[aproudmom]

Saw the video of Sandra opening her presents, I'll assume this past Christmas? Really brings it home. ....

yes I heard it was this past christmas..such a happy little thing..

[For Gabriel]

I know and that even makes it sadder I am sure she did not have to drag her into her car..she could have even told her I ask your mom and she said it was ok....

Of course. Why not go with an adult you knew and trusted? She played over at Madison's house countless times. I feel sure Sandra trusted and felt it was ok to go w/ Melissa, if she did indeed go willingly.

[KittyMom]

O/T also.....Haleigh was found alive?...I hope and pray........

I've looked all over the web and can't find anything about Haleigh being found. There is something about Ronald losing his job.

[aproudmom]

Satan can do powerful things.

HLN said they will be covering it soon...should be in about 30 minutes and satan yeah he sure can..

[meadowlark]

Right. Connie's dad was A.A. Harris founded that church. Her brother has taken over after the elder Harris died.

Dispelled the rumor about the rummage sale that Fred Williams was talking about.

Met another member of Clover Road church - Don Hughes.

just for info
joni lawless is aka joni hughes, married name. Don Hughes might be an in-law, can't remember off the top of my head.

[playnice]

HLN said they will be covering it soon...should be in about 30 minutes and satan yeah he sure can..

Are you talking about Haleigh?

[Riverwalk!]

just for info
joni lawless is aka joni hughes, married name. Don Hughes might be an in-law, can't remember off the top of my head.

It could be. I just don't have enough info.

[aproudmom]

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1061/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Police-Concede-Its-a-Statistical-Anomaly-for-a-Woman-to-Act-Alone-in-Sandra-Cantu-Murder/Default.aspx

Tracy Police Concede Its a "Statistical Anomaly" for a Woman to Act Alone in Sandra Cantu Murder

TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy police say they're not surprised many people in the community think Melissa Huckaby did not act along when she allegedly killed eight year old Sandra Cantu.

"We completely understand that there would be speculation about that because it is so unusual that the mother of a child would kill another mother's child," Sgt. Tony Sheneman told KRON 4's Will Tran. "However, we had no indication at the time and still do not that anyone else is responsible for this. If we had any inkling that someone else was involved at any time with the commission of this crime, they would be in custody."

[For Gabriel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqmrUjViyU

touching video

[aproudmom]

Are you talking about Haleigh?

no the memorial is going to be on HLN..

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19194475/index.html

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.memorial.2.986445.html

http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1061/reftab/36/t/Tracy-Police-Concede-Its-a-Statistical-Anomaly-for-a-Woman-to-Act-Alone-in-Sandra-Cantu-Murder/Default.aspx

[meadowlark]

I asked last night but no answer, but anyway had asked if there was a transcript of the taped cell phone interview with Melissa

anway I made one

I transcribed this the best I could. I put "?'s" where I was not sure what it was saying. It's possible there might be a error but I think this is what it was saying.


R = reporter
M = Melissa

R- Um you know all those fingers are sort of pointing to your dad 'er your grandfather, you wanted to make something clear is that right.

M- Right

R- So, okay, so

M- I want, I want to make clear that he was not, that he's not at all somebody that wouldn't do anything and the only reason that (he saw?) her over here and at our church so much is because she was my daughter's best friend and came over here almost every day to play with my daughter and another thing is the suitcase, that was my suitcase, it was stolen out from in front of my house and I called my (something?) police dept and they told me, you are to make a report, you know, it would cost me $200.00 and you had to go online to make a report and I do not have access to internet so was unable to make a report at that time.

R- So do you believe your missing suitcase was the same suitcase Sandra was found in?

M- um I do not know the suitcase that I seen or what I could see on TV it does not look like my suitcase uh police have not uh disclosed any information whether or not it is my suitcase, I know they are ? something pictures of ? , my suitcase so that I can un let them know whether or not ..? suitcase is mine uh and that if uh so that's the extent of the suitcase? ?

R- Alright, so explain to me something I heard channel 11 but I want to make, I want hear it from you. There was a situation where you and your daughter were out with another kid and what happened there, somebody accused you of something?

M- oh, ?(uh uh) ? I had taken my daughter and one of her friends um to the park which I had done for the third time that week um her mother was uh I guess at work and the grandmother had told uh the little girl that she could uh go to the park which she does all the time and uh when the mother came home she didn't know where she was. um I'd given the mother my phone number um (? my cell phone? ) number in case of anything ? happen she could get ahold of me, she claimed to have lost the phone number um everything looked fine, and (? brought? got?) her back, the police were called out at the time and I was then called? to ? her mother did not know she wasn't with me, I mean she was with me, so uh I brought her home and then ????? and then later on that night at around probably 2 o'clock that morning the police came to the house to let me know that

end, video cuts off

[For Gabriel]

That was beautiful and made me cry. MH should have to hear that 3 times a day for the rest of her life.

Agreed! I'm realizing that Melissa isn't all there, but could she not step back now and switch places with Sandra's family and think how she would feel if another mother took her daughter and did the things she did to Sandra.....

[firefly75]

I personally don't believe you are BORN bad or evil, but I do believe you can get that way at a VERY EARLY AGE. Newborns don't torture animals, but very small children do. Something makes them that way. And yes you can come from what appears to be or really is a very loving family and still become that way(because there is "something" that is going on someone does not know about, inside or outside the family). It might have nothing at all to do with your family. It could be a friend of the family, a neighbor, a playmate, something you saw, you read, you got interested in forwhatever reason. Something you are around somewhere. And it can start at a very early age, or you can become influenced by something later on down the line.

Melissa's family is trying to put this all off on a bad divorce and her being a single mom is why she has so many problems. That just is not what I think at all. Maybe that is what they truly think. I don't. And I also don't think she was born that way. Somewhere, at some point, she learned to be the way she is. Some people are influenced at a very early age before they even know what is really right and wrong, and others just get tangled up in things for whatever reasons and they seem to not want out of it. Some learn to hate and they become horrible people, some want someone to pay attention to them so they go along, some get tangled up before they know it and can't get out of whatever they are involved in, some graduate from one bad thing to another, etc; but I don't believe you enter this world bad or evil. Something happens to get you on that path. That's my take. Especially, with criminals

very good post! I had a friend growing up and she was a monster!! The reason she was so evil it seemed was her parents gave her everything she wanted!! She came from a wealthy family and never heard the word "NO". So when she did hear it she would do evil things. I believe some people are enablers but think they are just "loving" their children.

[aproudmom]

It is playing live shows people in line..going to jump off and watch should start soon
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
Link at top in blue...

[5boxersmom]

nope, nothing new on that poor little angel, kitty, but that psychic from Ohio will be down there looking, let's wish her godspeed and good luck, we need all the help we can get with that case.

She is looking for Haleigh too? I thought it was just Adji. I do wish her good luck.

imo

[aproudmom]

does anyone have a link to the memorial? Thanks!

I wonder why they cut the rest of that converstion off?

posted it just down thread I am on fox4
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

[Riverwalk!]

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

For the services for Sandra.

No reporters yakkkkkking on this one.

[5boxersmom]

Wow look at the line.


:rose:

[~jomomma~]

:crying: :crying:

[aproudmom]

She is looking for Haleigh too? I thought it was just Adji. I do wish her good luck.

imo

I seen the sheiff over Haleighs case on awhile ago and he was talking about 2 men who broke out of jail and killed a women but at first I thought maybe it was some good news...I wish these kids would all come home..

man there are tons of people there if your watching it yet.. it is live on fox40
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

[Riverwalk!]

:crying: :crying:

Me too. Cafeteria, gym and stadium is full. VERY nice of Tracy High School to do this for Sandra and her family/friends and the community.

[5boxersmom]

I seen the sheiff over Haleighs case on awhile ago and he was talking about 2 men who broke out of jail and killed a women but at first I thought maybe it was some good news...I wish these kids would all come home..

man there are tons of people there if your watching it yet.. it is live on fox40
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

Yes I saw that. They seem to think they are headed this way.:w00t:

Thanks. I was watching that one then switched over to news10.

I too wish these kids would come home. At least Sandra's family has that. Not much I know but they don't have to keep wondering where she is and what is being done to her. :crying:

imo

[5boxersmom]

Me too. Cafeteria, gym and stadium is full. VERY nice of Tracy High School to do this for Sandra and her family/friends and the community.

Yes it is nice of them. How are you today?

[~jomomma~]

i made it home from work just in time.

wow, now the people are filing into the football stadium!

[aproudmom]

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

cnn live is also carrying it..they usually have good quality

[Riverwalk!]

Yes it is nice of them. How are you today?

I'm good. This is so sad though. Her aunt is going to speak for the family. :sad:

[aproudmom]

Yes I saw that. They seem to think they are headed this way.:w00t:

Thanks. I was watching that one then switched over to news10.

I too wish these kids would come home. At least Sandra's family has that. Not much I know but they don't have to keep wondering where she is and what is being done to her. :crying:

imo

I know real close keep your doors locked I locked mine,..KY is close..

family coming in be back later

[5boxersmom]

I know real close keep your doors locked I locked mine,..KY is close..

family coming in be back later

My doors are always locked. Now if I could just get my dad to do the same. :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

she's going to look for both, stay till the 23rd

That is good news. I am glad to hear it.

:thumbsup:

[5boxersmom]

Was Sandra a GS?

[Riverwalk!]

Was Sandra a GS?

I don't know, but weren't the sweet Posting the Colors.

[5boxersmom]

I don't know, but weren't the sweet Posting the Colors.

Yes they were. This is hearbreaking.

[Riverwalk!]

Anyone lurking, here's the link to watch the Memorial Service LIVE

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/

[IlliniFan]

Well, that was very lovely by B. Boxer..

[Texas48]

It's not uncommon for very low income people to use ambulances for minor things, that other people would use a car for. When I worked with pregnant teens the typical way for them to get to the hospital - in the normal case of healthy, normally progressing labor - was in an ambulance.
I don't know about CA..but in several states I have lived in..if a person was taken by ambulance they would be able to go straight to the ER with no waiting and the hospital HAD to take/admitt a person even w/no med. insurance. If you went by car to ER and a person did not have insurance the ER would make a determination ..if illness WAS an emergency ER would admitt..if NOT hospital would suggest patient see a Dr. in the hospital during regular hours. That may be the reason MH used the ambulance service the amount of times she did...Just a quess...

[~jomomma~]

omg

:rose: for Sandra

[koawally]

So sad...I want to hug Sandra'a sister...she looks like she needs one Awww:wub:

[Texas48]

IMO her grandparents, when interviewed in their car just seemed like perfectly normal, harmless folks who really had no conception of what was about to happen. I don't think they suspected a thing. But everyone reads people and their reactions differently. And the vacation had been planned for a while, as I understood it......and if it hadn't I am glad she was able to get that young child out of there for right now. IMOa very good post madame...as I was reading it came to me that..what a *blessing* that this 5yo child was Out of the picture..so to speak..when this broke..

[5boxersmom]

Sandra watched out for a little kindergartener at school. :rose:

[IlliniFan]

This is really a beautiful memorial for sweet Sandra...little angel...

[Texas48]

She's a seductress for her animal needs. Normal people have trouble getting their heads around this.

She's DIFFERENT even if she appears as a sympathetic character from time to time. OF COURSE, as her father says: she LOVES children! And she somehow can manifest a child-like appeal, in my opinion, like this sorry-@ss weepy persona. This is why kids will be around her, it's part of her trap, and how she can get attention and perhaps comfort, accompanied by physical affection. We saw the attorney AND the deputy give her *comforting* touches. She's good at attracting these behaviors.
You are so right..It really took me off guard the other night when I was watching her...The deputy gave her a comforting(you had the right word) pat on the arm..

[Anakerie]

"Somewhere Out There".... That song has always choked me up a bit.. Today, however, I'm not just choked up.. I am crying for that beautiful little girl.............

Sandra, you're an angel now... Somewhere out there.... :rose:

[lune3]

This is really a beautiful memorial for sweet Sandra...little angel...

I agree. And this song has me in tears.

[BobbysGirl]

My thoughts and prayers go out to Sandra and her family.

No child deserves this. A difficult and heartbreaking time for all.

RIP God Bless you Sandra. You are now in loving arms.

:rose:

BG

eta: spelling

[5boxersmom]

Was that Sandra's dad they just showed?


Her sister and mom look so broken hearted. :rose: I am glad Sandra's mother has the aunt. I think she has helped her alot.

[Texas48]

Of course. Why not go with an adult you knew and trusted? She played over at Madison's house countless times. I feel sure Sandra trusted and felt it was ok to go w/ Melissa, if she did indeed go willingly.How true Gabriel..*Trust* ...
funny how when I look at strangers I want to give them the *once over*..where children seem to trust so easily. It must be the *innocent* in a child..and I look at the MH Park and it looked fresh..well kept..and safe...like a good place to grow up in. kwim? We see Sandra skipping along..not a care in the world.

[5boxersmom]

Oh god. I am bawling my eyes out.

Then I get mad. :angry:

[Anakerie]

Oh god. I am bawling my eyes out.

Then I get mad. :angry:
Me too, Boxer... Me too......

This memorial service is a beautiful tribute to Tracy's angel.. Sweet Sandra....

[IlliniFan]

Oh god. I am bawling my eyes out.

Then I get mad. :angry:


I know, this memorial is so touching...yet, It does make you angry that such an innocent little girl is gone...for what?

[For Gabriel]

Oh god. I am bawling my eyes out.

Then I get mad. :angry:

Beautiful child, indeed. I am angry as well. Angry that an innocent child was lost due to an adult she trusted. That we no longer can feel safe.

[For Gabriel]

How many siblings did she have?

[5boxersmom]

How many siblings did she have?

3. Two sisters and a brother. Sandra was the baby.

[For Gabriel]

3. Two sisters and a brother. Sandra was the baby.

TY, Boxer.

[Texas48]

Was that Sandra's dad they just showed?


Her sister and mom look so broken hearted. :rose: I am glad Sandra's mother has the aunt. I think she has helped her alot.
Mom was so right when she said seeing Sandra's mother just makes you reach out to her..nothing will ever take that hurt and broken heart from her. so sad.

[koawally]

3. Two sisters and a brother. Sandra was the baby.

Sandra's sister, looks so much like Sandra...God Bless them all

What a beautiful service:rose:

[5boxersmom]

I see the Amber Alert for the 22 month old baby was canceled. I am glad the baby was returned to the mother. Maybe a little angel helped make that happen today. :wink:

Sandra :rose:

[aproudmom]

:rose:May Sandra Rest in Peace and God keep her family in his arms.:rose:

[~jomomma~]

the younger sister (don't know her name) at one point was like she didn't want to look, had her face covered by her hair but still peeked with one eye. how horribly sad :crying:

the pic of her holding up 'Learning How to Pray' just broke my heart.

what a beautiful memorial!

Sandra.....what a beautiful girl :sad:

[MOM0F4]

I am so moved seen how many people came to say good bye to Sandra. Its hard to even type. An inocent child lost. May she be with God now. I don't think I will be able to forget her, I will keep her in my hearth as if she was my own child.

[aproudmom]

I see the Amber Alert for the 22 month old baby was canceled. I am glad the baby was returned to the mother. Maybe a little angel helped make that happen today. :wink:

Sandra :rose:

it is cancelled thank you god:rose:

[Anakerie]

I'll be back later folks.. I need to take a break from this for a while...

Blessings to Tracy's angel.................... :rose:

[Riverwalk!]

the younger sister (don't know her name) at one point was like she didn't want to look, had her face covered by her hair but still peeked with one eye. how horribly sad :crying:

the pic of her holding up 'Learning How to Pray' just broke my heart.

what a beautiful memorial!

Sandra.....what a beautiful girl :sad:

Sandra's siblings:

Miranda is 11, Tommy is 15 and Simone is 20.

[~jomomma~]

Sandra's siblings:

Miranda is 11, Tommy is 15 and Simone is 20.

thank you Riverwalk!

i know i had seen the names before but couldn't remember.

[aproudmom]

I am so moved seen how many people came to say good bye to Sandra. Its hard to even type. An inocent child lost. May she be with God now. I don't think I will be able to forget her, I will keep her in my hearth as if she was my own child.

It was amazing and so touching I don't think I have ever cried so much..her poor family her little sister looked to really be hanging on to her mom so sad.

I do not live there and I thank them for doing this since so many have been watching and following this since the first or second day her sweet smile has touched so many and I think she will not die in vain she will change the way we look at things..

[MOM0F4]

Its true seing all her pictures she always had a smile, she looked so inocent. She seemed so happy al the time. That monster better not get away with just a slap on the hand claiming mental problems.

[aproudmom]

Sandra's siblings:

Miranda is 11, Tommy is 15 and Simone is 20.

Her sister Miranda they look so much alike I did not realize her oldest sister was 20 boy she looked a lot younger.

[aproudmom]

Its true seing all her pictures she always had a smile, she looked so inocent. She seemed so happy al the time. That monster better not get away with just a slap on the hand claiming mental problems.

omg did you see dads family I sure would not want to pee them off they looked like they could have been his brothers..

[MOM0F4]

It was amazing and so touching I don't think I have ever cried so much..her poor family her little sister looked to really be hanging on to her mom so sad.

I do not live there and I thank them for doing this since so many have been watching and following this since the first or second day her sweet smile has touched so many and I think she will not die in vain she will change the way we look at things..

Thats what I really hope for that she didn't die in vain, that we as mother fight so tha laws change in many of our states so this predators don't see the day of light ever again. No mother deserves to go though so much pain by losing such a beautifull child.

[aproudmom]

Me too, Boxer... Me too......

This memorial service is a beautiful tribute to Tracy's angel.. Sweet Sandra....

I was the same way I would cry then wanted to hit a wall or something and scream why why...sad thing is we may never know why..there is no reason to do this and I am not one to have so much hate but right now I do but I will let that go for right now..her sister that is 11 really broke my heart I can tell she is the one that will need alot of help they look so much alike..god bless them all..:rose:

[LILMANMAX]

RIP Sandra :rose:

God Bless her family.:rose:

I have not felt these feelings since Samantha Runnion.
She was brutalized as well.

[For Gabriel]

I'll never understand how these men/woman can hurt innocent lil ones.

[aproudmom]

I'll be back later folks.. I need to take a break from this for a while...

Blessings to Tracy's angel.................... :rose:

Bye for now Anakerie take a break we all need to at times. I may have to do the same...

Blessings to Tracy/Americas Angel:rose:
next will be justice

[aproudmom]

I have a feeling that she is really going to have to prove she is insane because i think that police department is going to see to it she gets what is coming to her.

I think she will be found sane she knew what she was doing at the time so I pray Justice is served for this child and pray there is no others..to see the smile and life in those pictures and that family crying and hurting breaks my heart and I want a fair trial but I want JUSTICE and I have faith it will be done and in the right manner.

[aproudmom]

I thought the very same thing, and Sandra's uncle i dont believe i would want to cross him either.

nope me either he said he wanted to harm someone but it was not in him...

[Janz]

I think she will be found sane she knew what she was doing at the time so I pray Justice is served for this child and pray there is no others..to see the smile and life in those pictures and that family crying and hurting breaks my heart and I want a fair trial but I want JUSTICE and I have faith it will be done and in the right manner.

I agree aproudmom. Such a beautiful and touching memorial!! So unlke the one for Caylee. My heart goes out to Sandra`s family. May they somehow find peace and solace.

[aproudmom]

RIP Sandra :rose:

God Bless her family.:rose:

I have not felt these feelings since Samantha Runnion.
She was brutalized as well.

I was actually thinking of her as I watched this memorial so sweet also

[aproudmom]

did anyone catch it was the man in the uniform the chaplin for the PD?

[IlliniFan]

did anyone catch it was the man in the uniform the chaplin for the PD?

I assume that he was..I could be wrong...He and everyone spoke so beautifully....