Phil Spector April 16 thru May 17

[eagleeer]

Hope this new thread meets with everyones approval. Seems that the subject of the DD thread is no longer being addressed.

[My 2 Cents]

Oh my goodness, that Rachelle Short . . . what a biiiii-@-tch.

You might want to read M.Blaine's lastest blog. Apparently, Rachelle sent out a RECENT mass e-mail, SINCE THE VERDICT, to friends in Phil's e-mail address book. (I apologize if I'm repeating a previous post)

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/

Rachelle asks EVERYONE to "do as many TV, radio & internet interviews as possible - to write the PRESIDENT, the California Governor, councilmen & women, etc . .. so as to EXPOSE JUDGE FIDLER and . . . "WE NEED TO GET OUT ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ABOUT LANA CLARKSON THAT THE JUDGE WOULD NOT LET IN."

I REPEAT . . . What a self-serving little #$@!!!!!

There have been 2 trials and ALL the jurors in BOTH (except for ONE - Sorry, I refuse to count the juror who said "she would vote which ever way the foreman did" . . . clear VIOLATION of the jury instructions and we have no idea what SHE concluded) have found Phil Spector GUILTY. And now she wants to TRASH LANA even MORE, now that the GAG ORDER is lifted? And a plea to "WRITE THE PRESIDENT". . . ha, ha YES, I am CERTAIN all those donations made by TEAM SPECTOR (that were RETURNED by Obama) and the massive number of OBAMA PINS he owns AND wears, will get Phil a 2nd look by the President of the USA.

She also writes . . . another innocent man has gone to jail for something he clearly and scientifically did NOT do. ha, ha - - that just struck me as such a funny sentence.

Michelle writes some interesting thoughts about Rachelle motives.

[GPSpector]

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.

In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

[spydernweb2006]

If Chelle starts spouting carp all over town about Lana in a futile attempt to get Phill freed from a crime he was COVICTED of I hope Lana's family sues the heck outta her!

All throught the trial we had Chelle posting and saying carp and slinging mud about everyone associated to this trial and I hope, wish and pray it comes back to bite her rt up the azz.

Personally Id LOVE to see Chelle sued for defamation/slander of Lana, Sprocket and Judge Fidler! Time for her to learn that your mouth should never write checks that your tush cant cash!

Its NOT that I wish her ill will, I would just love to see her accountable for the carp she spews! Ya reap what ya sow!


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[kennedy06]

From the link bugout gave us on the links thread from the ABA, I clicked the latest PSTelegraph article. There is a short video interview with Mick B. talking about PS on it also. Some portions of the interview Mick did with PS 6 weeks before the shooting can also be listened to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5154302/Phil-Spector-nobody-would-want-his-life-now.html

[kennedy06]

Another link from the article bugout linked us to. I know we all have other things in our own lives to deal with, but you can't help but be drawn back to this case, its has everything. IMO..everything surrounding it tragedy, wealth, hollywood, mystery, contempt... I'm poor at writing, but I'm sure there are those of you that could explain it so much better.

There is also a short video with this article also

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6093667.ece

[hiitsme]

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Poor RS :mellow:

I'll send her some diapers to dry the tears.

[oodi]

I'll send her some diapers to dry the tears.


Make sure to dip them in the toilet first.... Just like Phil did.

[vonna]

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:



In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

It is shocking to me that your father, with all his money, didn't see that his children had a college education - when there are so many poor parents who sacrifice some simple comforts of life to do so.

[penguin01]

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Poor RS :mellow: Sounds like she's looking to pay some bills by doing the talk show circuit stumping up support for Phil. But that she has to keep on bashing Lana is just plain wierd! It sounds like she is very jealous of her husband's victim.
Lana had a life, a family, loving friends and still hopes for a career with some upcoming opportunites. Sounded like she had some plans with a boyfriend too. And what does poor RS have? Nothing but bitterness apparently. She really is a sad case, too. I can't wish her any ill. She has enough misery in her life just being herself.

[vonna]

Good morning Ms. Vonna.
How are you today. I'm still coming down from the Spector rush last Monday. Has anyone decided what we will concentrate on. I am very Interested in the Anthony case and now this freak MH up in Tracy, California.
It's crazy Vonna, a lot of people talk about a little town they live in where everybody knows your name. They also say because of that, it is so safe.
I was brought up not to trust anyone. Priest, reverend, a policeman.
My dad was very protective since that's all he had was girls in the house. When Tee was born I decided I would do the same thing with him. I made that boy check in every hour (physically) when he was 16-17. Some folks considered me ridiculous but he's a fine young man today.
I feel so sad for these families of little Sandra.
Those crazy Anthony's don't seem to care about anything but save their daughter azz from a murder rap.:sneaky:

Good morning, Dianna. Like you, I am still in a state of euphoria. This verdict has been a long time coming. I surely hope I have the privilege of posting with the people who have frequented these Spector threads in a future case. What a difference between the lack of hostility here and the extreme hostility that was expressed during the first trial.

[tartangirl]

As PS sits in a jail cell somewhere and I go about my life, I find myself still thinking of this case. So many lives have been touched by this one act of violence and selfishness. Of course, I always go back to the family of the victim and how each day they have to rise above the pain and now gather strength to move forward with the civil case. My thoughts go to them for they have been living in a jail cell of their own these last six years. :ohmy: May they find peace and solace soon.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[Jayne]

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:



In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

GPS - YOU are a Class Act! It is such a pleasure and so inspiring to have come to know you. Remember you have plenty of wonderful people here who really care about you and your siblings.

[Dexter]

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Poor RS :mellow:

You are 100% correct. From what I understand... very poor Rachelle. She'll have to get a legitimate job.

imo... of course. :)

[vonna]

You are 100% correct. From what I understand... very poor Rachelle. She'll have to get a legitimate job.

imo... of course. :)

What better way to keep her on his side than keeping her financially dependent on him?

[kennedy06]

Sick of my posts yet LOL!! Did you guys look on Trials and Tribs at her PS update. She has many links on it, including one video link with DW as he goes to visit PS in jail, other good articles from everyplace from foreign newspapers to the Wall S. J.

[Ellie]

Hey all. Just a question... has anyone posted a video of the verdict being read and/or the expression of Phil and the crowd at the courthouse? thanks.

[oodi]

Hey all. Just a question... has anyone posted a video of the verdict being read and/or the expression of Phil and the crowd at the courthouse? thanks.

Sprocket has a clip of the reading of the verdict on her blog:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Phil%20Spector

I haven't seen any clips of any public reaction, so I don't know if there are any.

[Ellie]

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.

[oodi]

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.


From what I understood, she never adopted them... PS adopted them as a single parent. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

[Ellie]

From what I understood, she never adopted them... PS adopted them as a single parent. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.


I think you may be right, or partially right (I would have to read that part of the book again), but he did adopt them FOR her.. and she just left them like they were fixtures. I have never understood that.

[GPSpector]

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.

She had no legal hold on us. We were adopted by a single father even though he was married at the time. She was not aware of our adoption until after it was done. She could have fought for Donté but she did not want to break us up. She did what she thougt was best for the 3 of us. She was not happy about it but hoped it was for the best.

Yes, I have spoken with her about it. I do not hold ill feelings towards her for it. I understood it. Besides, when she left, she had nothing. How was she going to fight?

[cherylt]

Nancy Grace. Perhaps Bill O'Riley or better yet, Larry king. Oh, how about that Greta on Fox...:tonguewag:


Oh my, can you see NG even having Rachelle on her show? IF she did get on, NG would rip her to pieces... She best not look to go there. :) Although I would watch with gleeful amusement as NG questions her...

Like u mentioned, there is always Larry King or Greta...

[tartangirl]

Very short video full of facts, some we have heard, true or not we can only guess. The one phrase..happiness is a warm gun...stays with a person. :glare:



http://vodpod.com/watch/1524592-the-phil-spector-stories-guns-mirrors-and-coffins?

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Daisy'sMom]

When I first read the email, I wanted to email her and tell her what trash she is. But then I started to pity her. She is a desperate little thing now. The one chance she had that would provide her with any fame and fortune is now behind bars, hopefully for the rest of his life. And hopefully, everything he has left will be handed over to the Clarkson family. Now RS will have to end up a hooker at best (although you could say she has been that since the day she hooked up with PS). She is a dust mite waiting to be swept away.

Justice has now been served.:rose:

[hiitsme]

I would watch that. Rachelle couldn't survive the NG wrath.

LK has no idea who Phil Spector is. Every notice how he really doesn't know who half his guests are. Even Jerry Seinfield had to ask him "do you even know who I am". classic!

Rachelle would do best on Jerry Springer.

:laugh:

You found her perfect niche, Jerry Springer. So funny! I'd be shocked if she appeared on any of the prime time programs. Let's face it, there's little or no interest left in Phil so it's laughable to think she's newsworthy. Unfortunately, I don't think she'll go away with one shred of dignity or pride.

[vonna]

vonna.... it amazes me... my parents were divorced in the 60s when divorces were unusual.... my dad was/is a deadbeat... my mom did not remarry... but made sure i went to college.... how she did it still amazes me....

phil is just a loser... glad his kids did not grow up to be like dear old dad

A perfect example of what I was talking about. Kudos to your mother!

[wasapi]

Good post, I somewhat agree. I reserve pitty for those who deserve it. Rachelle doesn't get any pitty from me.


:wink:

I completely agree with you that pity is for those who deserve it, and Rachelle is nowhere near being in that catagory.

All I feel towards her is distain and disgust. To still be attempting to slander Lana in a classic case of re-victimize-the-victim, is in my opinion obscene at best.

[cherylt]

JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

:laugh:


PS probably thought it up (or mayhaps Shapiro) - who knows? Either way, since she is so YOUNG, the 1st jury didn't even know who she was & some guessed she was one of his DAUGHTERS. LOL!
She mattered NOT AT ALL - poor PS. Another one of his bright ideas down the tubes...

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=johnnyrocket;13014421]JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

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With absolutely no proof, I would guess LKB.


bearwds

[Jayne]

Chelle...

I don't know how to feel about her. Don't "slam me" for saying that. I really don't know. I think she was PS's puppet much of the time, and at other times she was the immature "child bride", expecting fame and fortune under the wings of PS and this trial. Would she have married him before 2/2003? I wonder. I really do not want to be "nasty" towards her. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes (which I never would have..but that's another issue).

It's like a soap opera..of the worst sort.

I sort of feel sorry for her, in a sense. I think she figured she was getting into a "great situation"..fame, fortune, promise, future. I don't know if she loved or even cared about PS..and if she did NOT, that is despicable, IMO. Maybe she did..even in the "back of her mind".

Her actions were vile - to Sprocket - to others, I even think she was one or so of the posters who were so "vile" towards me, but I forgive her. If all these things are happening, she is likely running scared...WHAT? is she to do now?

Best thing? Get on with her life...let the Spectors alone...all of them. She'll get her bit of a piece of what's left..but it belongs to those Spector children, not her. CA law...two-three years at best as CA common law married? Do the math. If all he "earned" in those years are gone..she gets "zip". What he earned before...that's HIS...to the Clarkson's...to his estate. I'd be filing right now...get a judgement...the more time she wastes, the more money that is wasted and she can't get more than 1/2 in CA. Unless, they had a pre nup or some such thing? Which I doubt. Interesting laws...very. That Castle was I believe in his name..she lived there...unless she contributed to it...whatever was "put into" or "taken out of" that house during their marriage is 1/2 her responsibility or income. She'd be treading on very thin water if it was "mortgaged"...somebody here may know more about that?

jmo

J

[Jayne]

[QUOTE=johnnyrocket;13014421]JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

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With absolutely no proof, I would guess LKB.


bearwds

Ya think??!!

jmo

J

[cherylt]

Did you guys read this article? His hairpiece was taken away shortly after the mug shot was taken:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Phil-Spector-Wigs-Out-in-Prison=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198

"A mug-shot of Spector in one of his many wigs was released following the guilty verdict on Monday.

But it could be a long time before the 69-year-old music producer sees his curly locks again.

After being photographed, Spector was taken to Los Angeles' Twin Towers prison where he had to surrender all personal items, including his hair piece."

I wonder if they'll take a new pic & publish? :)

[vonna]

Did you guys read this article? His hairpiece was taken away shortly after the mug shot was taken:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Phil-Spector-Wigs-Out-in-Prison=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198

"A mug-shot of Spector in one of his many wigs was released following the guilty verdict on Monday.

But it could be a long time before the 69-year-old music producer sees his curly locks again.

After being photographed, Spector was taken to Los Angeles' Twin Towers prison where he had to surrender all personal items, including his hair piece."

I wonder if they'll take a new pic & publish? :)


Remember when his truth-telling wife attempted to con us into believing the hair was his - in other than the sense that since he bought it - it belonged to him?

[cherylt]

Remember when his truth-telling wife attempted to con us into believing the hair was his - in other than the sense that since he bought it - it belonged to him?


Yeppers - thanks for reminding me! I meant to add that to the post...That now we know FOR SURE that is not his own hair...
Gotcha Rachelle! LOL

[dref99]

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_hair_harmonious_jury_helped_tip_scales_of_just ice_against_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong

:thumbdown: :thumbdown:

(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )

jmo

[Mr. Moto2]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a question for the Phil Spector veterans. Considering his history of pulling guns on so many people, was a criminal complaint ever filed against him? Was he even questioned by the police?

[kellabeck]

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_hair_harmonious_jury_helped_tip_scales_of_just ice_against_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong

:thumbdown: :thumbdown:

(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )


I have sent an email of complain and correction to the writer informing her of the facts.

[dref99]

I have sent an email of complain and correction to the writer informing her of the facts.

The facts sure make a horrible mess of her story - I notice comments now appearing also. I sent her an email also.

Funny how certain bloggers are always attacked about not giving the facts! and then we have this from the ABA


jmo

[oodi]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a question for the Phil Spector veterans. Considering his history of pulling guns on so many people, was a criminal complaint ever filed against him? Was he even questioned by the police?

In one of the videos I saw of the verdict, after it was read, AJ asked for immediate remand, and mentioned a prior conviction. Sprocket states the same thing in her blog. There must have been one, but I don't have any details on it.

[Mr. Moto2]

In one of the videos I saw of the verdict, after it was read, AJ asked for immediate remand, and mentioned a prior conviction. Sprocket states the same thing in her blog. There must have been one, but I don't have any details on it.

Thanks. You'd think there would have been more than one. I can't believe Spector was still allowed to own firearms. Maybe he owned them illegally?

[oodi]

oodi, do you have a link to that video? The only snipits I've seen show PS and Whineberg.


DUH!!! Stamp me stupid! It's the video that's on Sprocket's blog. LOL


http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Phil%20Spector

You only see a bit of the back of AJ's head, but you can hear his voice, although the audio isn't good, due to all their technical difficulties that day.

[oodi]

Thanks. You'd think there would have been more than one. I can't believe Spector was still allowed to own firearms. Maybe he owned them illegally?

I know the murder weapon was not registered (hence the reason the defense in the first trial initially was going to try to claim it wasn't even his), but I think most, if not all of the others were legally registered.

[dref99]

Thanks. You'd think there would have been more than one. I can't believe Spector was still allowed to own firearms. Maybe he owned them illegally?

The early prosecution documents contain details of his prior convictions - I'll check to find the right one.

Two of the women who testified did complain to police - One was escorted back to Phil's house to retrieve her belongings and the other as AJ? (I think) said - was given a train ticket out of town (she had said she didn't want to press charges).

I just read this link from Tartangirl
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200904/dangerous-genius-the-rise-and-fall-phil-spector

It reads like a litany of excuses to me. All becomes bad temper and wanting his own way - I would call it spoilt child syndrome. Gangsters use guns to intimidate, threaten, standover, steal etc etc. So did Phil Spector, but he was stealing women's rights Still a ganster.

Easy to say after the event, but it was a shame he wasn't called to account for his behaviour before Lana was killed. How any woman can protest his innocence or accept his behaviour :confused: :confused:

jmo

[Mr. Moto2]

I know the murder weapon was not registered (hence the reason the defense in the first trial initially was going to try to claim it wasn't even his), but I think most, if not all of the others were legally registered.

Wow. He was known to be unstable, maybe even nuts, but was allowed to have an arsenal.

[bearwds]

Thanks. You'd think there would have been more than one. I can't believe Spector was still allowed to own firearms. Maybe he owned them illegally?

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If I recall, the murder weapon not only wasn't registered, it had it's serial number filed off.


bearwds

[Mr. Moto2]

The early prosecution documents contain details of his prior convictions - I'll check to find the right one.

Two of the women who testified did complain to police - One was escorted back to Phil's house to retrieve her belongings and the other as AJ? (I think) said - was given a train ticket out of town (she had said she didn't want to press charges).

I just read this link from Tartangirl
http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200904/dangerous-genius-the-rise-and-fall-phil-spector

It reads like a litany of excuses to me. All becomes bad temper and wanting his own way - I would call it spoilt child syndrome. Gangsters use guns to intimidate, threaten, standover, steal etc etc. So did Phil Spector, but he was stealing women's rights Still a ganster.

Easy to say after the event, but it was a shame he wasn't called to account for his behaviour before Lana was killed. How any woman can protest his innocence or accept his behaviour :confused: :confused:

jmo

I'm thinking Spector got away with things because of his clout, even though it was fading in later years. People could have been intimidated by him, and kept their mouths shut. Hey, didn't he even pull a gun on John Lennon?

[vonna]

*************************

If I recall, the murder weapon not only wasn't registered, it had it's serial number filed off.


bearwds

That's what I recall.

[coinoutlet]

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_hair_harmonious_jury_helped_tip_scales_of_just ice_against_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong

:thumbdown: :thumbdown:

(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )

jmo

It appears that the article has been corrected!. Now say conviction.

[Dexter]

In one of the videos I saw of the verdict, after it was read, AJ asked for immediate remand, and mentioned a prior conviction. Sprocket states the same thing in her blog. There must have been one, but I don't have any details on it.

Maybe this is what Alan Jackson was referring to...

In some circles, Mr. Spector's disregard for gun safety was as legendary as his productions. He greeted guests at his home wearing a .38 in a shoulder holster. In 1972, he was arrested in Beverly Hills for pointing a gun at a woman; charged with carrying a concealed weapon and a loaded firearm in a public place, he paid a $200 fine and was placed on one year's probation. Three years later, he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge after he aimed a gun in the face of a valet at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

From a Wall of Sound to a Prison Cell ~ April 16th, 2009 ~ The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123983464573522639.html)

[Dexter]

Two more appropriate quotes from the link posted above...

People in the music business have long known that Mr. Spector could be a crude, desperate little man.

Phil Spector, producer, is now Phil Spector, murderer.

[oodi]

Maybe this is what Alan Jackson was referring to...

In some circles, Mr. Spector's disregard for gun safety was as legendary as his productions. He greeted guests at his home wearing a .38 in a shoulder holster. In 1972, he was arrested in Beverly Hills for pointing a gun at a woman; charged with carrying a concealed weapon and a loaded firearm in a public place, he paid a $200 fine and was placed on one year's probation. Three years later, he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge after he aimed a gun in the face of a valet at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

From a Wall of Sound to a Prison Cell ~ April 16th, 2009 ~ The Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123983464573522639.html)

Those incidents would explain it! Who in Sam Hill allowed him to have guns after that??? They ought to go to jail along with him!

[rambo55]

I am so glad this monster predator is FINALLY locked up!

It seems as if he used guns through out his life to make him feel like a "big man". Wonder how he is going to try to simulate that power now.. I would love to ask him how it feels to be without funds and scared of those more powerful than him in his new world.

He was quoted as saying that all women are (insert "c" word here). I have no doubt that if he is ever allowed into general population he will be their "c word". I hope he has a very long life and has time to reflect on how he made others feel throughout the decades.

God bless your soul Lana.

[Dexter]

I'm thinking Spector got away with things because of his clout, even though it was fading in later years. People could have been intimidated by him, and kept their mouths shut. Hey, didn't he even pull a gun on John Lennon?

Sure enough.

"Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't f*** with me ears. I need them."
— John Lennon, after Spector shot one of his many pistols into the ceiling of a studio bathroom after having tied up a drunken, raving Lennon, (Vanity Fair, June, 2003)

2-Min. Bio / Phil Spector ~ Time Magazine Online ~ April 14th, 2009 (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1891120,00.html)

[Mr. Moto2]

Those incidents would explain it! Who in Sam Hill allowed him to have guns after that??? They ought to go to jail along with him!

I hear ya! I guess in the 70s carrying guns around, and pointing them at folks was no big deal. Just pay a fine -- like a getting a traffic ticket. If I went to a party, and the host greeted me at the door with a .38 strapped to his shoulder, I might just turn around, go home and play solitaire.

[Mr. Moto2]

Sure enough.

"Phil, if you're going to kill me, kill me. But don't f*** with me ears. I need them."
— John Lennon, after Spector shot one of his many pistols into the ceiling of a studio bathroom after having tied up a drunken, raving Lennon, (Vanity Fair, June, 2003)

2-Min. Bio / Phil Spector ~ Time Magazine Online ~ April 14th, 2009 (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1891120,00.html)

Now that's really bizarre. I'm surprised Lennon put up with that crap. He didn't seem like the type.

[dref99]

I'm thinking Spector got away with things because of his clout, even though it was fading in later years. People could have been intimidated by him, and kept their mouths shut. Hey, didn't he even pull a gun on John Lennon?

Had to spend time in limbo - "site is too busy"! so I found the file on all the early events

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/highProfile/HPDocumentList.aspx?title=People+vs.+Phillip+Spect or&casenum=BA255233&
3 from the bottom 17 Feb 2005

Here are the charges/results (he pled to parts)
1972 Possession of a Loaded Gun
Charged with a misdemeanor - carrying a concealed weapon & carrying a loaded firearm in a public place.
1 year probation & $200 fine - a condition of probation was that he not possess any dangerous or deadly weapons

1975 Assult at the Beverley Hills Hotel
Charged with two felony counts of assult with a firearm and two misdemeanor counts of brandishing a firearm ( This case was from male complainants)
Two years of formal probation - a condition that he not use or possess any dangerous or deadly weapons

His firearms are in a later document - 21 October 2005 - the defence tried to get only the murder weapon admitted as to evidence (funny about that)
There were 14 weapons found
1. a blank gun
2. a crossman air pistol
(not used by the prosecution as evidence)
Apart from the murder weapon, there were another 11 weapons - all operable, some loaded.
3. S&W .38 caliber/.357 magnum revolver loaded with 6 live rounds (same amunition as the bullet that killed Lana)
4. S & W .38 caliber revolver - loaded with the same ammunition
5. Browning 9mm semi-automatic pistol
6. Star .25 caliber semi-automatic pistol
7. High-standard 12 gauge pump-action shotgun.
These all were found in the main bedroom with much additional ammunition
8. .38 caliber colt army revolver
9. .38 caliber colt detective special revolver
10. S & W 38 caliber/.357 magnum revolver
11. S&W .38 caliber revolver
12. high standard .22 caliber revolver
13. a second .38 caliber colt detective special revolver loaded with six live rounds of Remington-Peters .38 special ammunition.
All found in upstairs study - plus more ammunition

History
2 of the guns were purchased by the defendant in 1967 and 1972 (must have had them when on probation? unless he lent them to someone else?)
5 were purchased by a friend of the defendant - bought in 1970s and subsequently sold to defendant
Remaining 5, including the murder weapon have incomplete histories
The murder weapon was shipped to a Texas gun dealer in 1971 and there is no further history

[oodi]

It sounds like more than one person dropped the ball by not keeping better tabs on him.

[dref99]

It appears that the article has been corrected!. Now say conviction.

Thanks for noticing - at least the comments carry the original versions - the article doesn't now make much sense

experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant whose initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.

Are we thinking of Henry Lee? Dr Baden? or the one who was accused of perjury perhaps. Most "experts" wondered why he wasn't convicted the first time around!

That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for conviction. A blistering closing may have helped tip the balance toward the prosecution the second time around

The lady seems to have missed the fact that a closing is not evidence - it was the evidence that helped the jury reach a decision.
http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_hair_harmonious_jury_helped_tip_scales_of_just ice_against_phil_spector


jmo

Edit: I did just get an email thanking me for the correction. Assume Kellabeck received one also

[kellabeck]

I have sent an email of complain and correction to the writer informing her of the facts.

Quoting myself to follow up on this.

She sent me an email and it was really impressive:

I just now saw this, and although I am working on my own time, will, of
course, make the correction. Thank you for calling this issue to my
attention ... and thank you for the kind words

I responded positively, as I would to anyone willing to admit being wrong. The last is prolly sarcasm as there were no kind words. No nasty words either but a sharp tone of disapproval. And her getting it so wrong must have been sloppiness and closing "if you have any integrity" you will make the correction. Hardly kind. Just honest.

Anyway-- we should watch for her correction!:thumbup:

eta: I see that it was made.

[kellabeck]

Now that's really bizarre. I'm surprised Lennon put up with that crap. He didn't seem like the type.

I don't see it that way. He handled Spector the way Devra did-- wasn't she the British woman who went all "mumsy" on him? Both approaches succeeded in getting Spector not to shoot them.

All the people -- except Lana -- who were on the other end of Spector's gun barrel were not shot and all either KNEW him or were in a crowd, or there were at least others present. Those two elements were missing in Lana's case. She did not know him at all really and she was alone with the drunken fool with the arsenal and a hatred for women and a fear of abandonment. And it was the end of her, and now of him at along last.

How ironic that John wound up being shot to death too.

[dref99]

Good morning everyone...
I was just thinking when May 29th gets here if they will allow Spector to wear his wig to court for sentencing. It wouldn't be right and it would show preferential treatment. I read they consider it a contraband.
Remember when they took Casey Anthony's bracelet from her?
If there was a man jailed who wore a toupee normally on the outside they certainly wouldn't allow him to show up for sentencing with his toupee on. Hmmmm.:sneaky:

It would seem it is already gone - as was linked earlier (I think)
http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Phil-Spector-Wigs-Out-in-Prison=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198
although - is sentencing allowed in street clothes (which could include a wig) - or is it now jail clothes?

I wonder whether he will be better or worse in regards to drugs taken now that he is in prison. I assume he will get what he needs for any conditions he has - but nothing more and nothing less. Can one pay for a personal doctor when in prison? I would think not, but am often surprised by reality.

jmo

[hanlil]

Phil has to lose the wig in prison!

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Phil-Spector-Wigs-Out-in-Prison=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198

[tartangirl]

Good Morning all,

I just found this link and wanted to share with y'all, especially the picture taken in 1926. Sure looks different now. Since we have been talking about what may happen to his holdings at this point and after the sentencing this just sort of hit the spot today.

It is a good read, but I am going through withdrawal so my judgment may be a tad bit fuzzy..LOL :rolleyes:

http://www.zillow.com/blog/fascinating-history-around-spectors-pyrenees-castle-home/2009/04/15/

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[vonna]

It would seem it is already gone - as was linked earlier (I think)
http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Phil-Spector-Wigs-Out-in-Prison=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198
although - is sentencing allowed in street clothes (which could include a wig) - or is it now jail clothes?

I wonder whether he will be better or worse in regards to drugs taken now that he is in prison. I assume he will get what he needs for any conditions he has - but nothing more and nothing less. Can one pay for a personal doctor when in prison? I would think not, but am often surprised by reality.

jmo

I doubt he would get preferential treatment by way of having access to a personal physician - but I'll bet he will get only the medication he absolutely needs.

[Mort_Snerd]

Dref99,

Some gun owners respect the laws and register all their guns, date purchased, where purchased, where they were first registered and under what license number. Very easy to do and then file with important papers and never arrested for anything.

1962 New Sears & Roebuck .22 rifle “J.C. Higgins model” registered with Ossining, NY Police Dept.

1964 New Marlin .35 lever action carbine rifle model 336 registered with Ossining, NY Police Dept.

1976 Used Smith & Wesson model 10 .38 special revolver, 4” barrel registered with Rochester, MN Police Dept.

1981 New Colt AR-15 .223 rifle registered with Westfield, MA Police Dept.

1985 New Smith & Wesson model 29 .44 magnum 8” barrel registered with Westfield, MA Police Dept.

1991 New Belgium Browning Safari 30.06 rifle, bolt action registered with Westfield, MA Police Sept.

Mortie

Had to spend time in limbo - "site is too busy"! so I found the file on all the early events

[Ellie]

Thank Ellie. I put all her extra nics on ignore because she always outs herself by accusing posters of being rude and bullying when they aren't. It's really counter productive.

Hey what do you think is going to happen to Rachelle?

You betcha, JR. And for the record I'm pretty sure you didn't call anyone here a nitwit either. Positive, actually. I see camp must have closed its doors and therefore the doors here have opened... sigh.

Rachelle? Who the heck knows. I think she'll stay in the castle for year, maybe 18 months, and then she'll either move back home to be with her family or her mother will move to CA and live in the castle with her until she has to move, at which point I don't know what'll happen. I am sure Phil tied up any loose ends before they hauled him away, or he left specific instructions with his 'team' on what to do and how to handle Rachelle and things if he ended up going away. I don't think Phil is stupid, I'm sure he covered his, uh, assets. :wink:

[vonna]

That is twice they couldn't comprehend my posts. Oh well. I'm not here to teach people Comprehension 101.

18 months? That is mighty generous. Not sure she'll last 3 months more with no money and a car she has to pay for. Doesn't sound like he is helping her. He used her for court time and now bye, bye Rachelle. All for nothing. Sad really.

"Sister, you asked for it" is the phrase that comes to mind.

[Details]

Freedom of speech does not include the right to be welcomed and have your opinions endorsed and praised. It just means you can speak. And others can find your posts ridiculous, insulting, foolish, or valuable, relevant, etc. Any number of people may agree or disagree with you - there's no threshold where X people disagreeing with you or failing to welcome you, denies you your freedom of speech.


Although - a little technical point - as a forum, freedom of speech doesn't actually apply here - we can only say what the forum rules allow.


So, someone who says Spector is innocent, on this forum, will find more people disagreeing and finding the post ridiculous, than someone saying he is guilty - that's not a denial of freedom of speech, nor is it bullying, it's simply the split of opinion on the matter. Someone saying that the posters here were awful to the jurors because they didn't care about right or wrong deliberation practices, but only the verdict being what they wanted, just or unjust - that post will likely be strongly disagreed with - not merely for accuracy (not all posters, not even a majority posted their upset with jurors), but for an unnecessary attack (assigning motives to posters that they have not claimed, without any way of knowing that). Having lots of people disagree, even stridently, is not bullying.

Nor do any of us have a right to a welcome. See, that's the freedom of speech of the other poster, who is not required to stifle their own opinions merely to make you happy.

[vonna]

Freedom of speech does not include the right to be welcomed and have your opinions endorsed and praised. It just means you can speak. And others can find your posts ridiculous, insulting, foolish, or valuable, relevant, etc. Any number of people may agree or disagree with you - there's no threshold where X people disagreeing with you or failing to welcome you, denies you your freedom of speech.


Although - a little technical point - as a forum, freedom of speech doesn't actually apply here - we can only say what the forum rules allow.


So, someone who says Spector is innocent, on this forum, will find more people disagreeing and finding the post ridiculous, than someone saying he is guilty - that's not a denial of freedom of speech, nor is it bullying, it's simply the split of opinion on the matter. Someone saying that the posters here were awful to the jurors because they didn't care about right or wrong deliberation practices, but only the verdict being what they wanted, just or unjust - that post will likely be strongly disagreed with - not merely for accuracy (not all posters, not even a majority posted their upset with jurors), but for an unnecessary attack (assigning motives to posters that they have not claimed, without any way of knowing that). Having lots of people disagree, even stridently, is not bullying.

Nor do any of us have a right to a welcome. See, that's the freedom of speech of the other poster, who is not required to stifle their own opinions merely to make you happy.

I'd say that pretty well covers it!!!

[Mr. Moto2]

No, you're right John Lennon wouldn't put up with anything he didn't want to. Surprisingly (or not!) this is not the full story! Phil Spector did tie up Johh Lennon to protect him and John thanked Phil the next day for doing so. I'm not going any further into that, but it is out there and published (the full story) to read.

Unfortunately the media pick and choose the bits they think are the most exciting to read and too often this isn't questionned.

Nic

Thanks. Is the full story on the Web? I did a few Googles but couldn't find it. I know how the media can chop a story for effect. I also know that Lennon could be pretty crazy too. But what about Spector firing his gun into the ceiling? Is that true?

[vonna]

Chances are because of history most inmates tend to find Jesus while they are Incarcerated. They begin reading the bible and become remorseful. This is usually a vast majority. In addition, if Phil Spector is told he has to go to meetings and group sessions along with extensive counseling he may say he found himself.
This could be something positive for him and his family and friends who he have thrown to the side like garbage for many years. He says he grew up with demons inside him and that alone would warrant counseling from a good psychologist and the proper medication from a good psychiatrist.
It would be a pleasant surprise if he did decide (after awhile) to repent just on his personal life and begin apologizing to the ones he has deeply hurt for many years.
The reason why I'm suggesting this is because there isn't a hole lot to do while your sitting in a 10x11 day in and day out but read.:wink:

JMO

Very true, Dianna. There's a bunch of time for some serious reflection. We can only hope he puts it to good use.

[bearwds]

Any word if Pez has, or will be, tried or cited for contempt..??

It was egregious enough for Judge Fidler to read him his rights.

Waiting.


bearwds

[Details]

Chances are because of history most inmates tend to find Jesus while they are Incarcerated. They begin reading the bible and become remorseful. ...JMO - but I don't buy it - they 'find Jesus' IMO because it might look good to a parole board, get them more money and stuff from penpals and other people they might be able to latch onto.

[vonna]

Statistic have shown that a large majority of prisoners whether they are up for parole, or not up for parole or doing 1 year in prison will find the bible and turn themselves around in the prison world. (At the time)
They also show studies that once they are released they forget all about the bible they were reading for the length of time incarcerated. 60% end right back in prison.
MO

I don't put much stock in jailhouse conversions!!

[Details]

I don't put much stock in jailhouse conversions!!I put nearly none. I'm sure it does happen sometimes, and I'm sure the time there does help some to look at their life - with or without the Bible involved, or any other religion - and see some of where they go wrong. I wish we had more rehab - some of these people just need anger management, impulse management therapy, to become decent citizens once out.

Anyone else watch "Lie to Me"? They had an episode where they were trying to figure out if a convicts change of heart was real and something that would stick. Really good episode, and the key wasn't whether or not the convict was telling the truth - it was whether or not he had learned enough to change his reflexive responses to stimuli, like disrespect, that would have lead him back to his old path. Great show - on fox.com you can watch the episodes, including that one ("Unchained").

[vonna]

Would someone be kind enough to reiterate the difference between what Spector was found guilty of and Murder2? It surely didn't come close to IVMS - but I am a bit confused and would appreciate having it spelled out. I certainly don't believe it was premeditated - but resulted from Spector doing something he had done for years with a tragic result.
TIA.

[cherylt]

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_hair_harmonious_jury_helped_tip_scales_of_just ice_against_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong

:thumbdown:
(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )

jmo


WOW, I'm almost speechless that a journalist wrote that article! Can you get it any more wrong? I don't think that person read very much on the trial/facts & the editor allowed that article to be posted?! It is so inaccurate the mind boggles!!

you are sooo right - BIG THUMBS DOWN!!

[cherylt]

I wonder if he'll be able to wear his wig to his sentencing.......


THAT'S A GREAT THOUGHT! DW will probably move to have him in street clothes & wig. I wonder if he will "win" that motion. Judge Fidler should not allow it, since u have to treat him like everyone else, and he now stands convicted, but u never know...

5/29 can't come fast enough. :)

[Anakerie]

Would someone be kind enough to reiterate the difference between what Spector was found guilty of and Murder2? It surely didn't come close to IVMS - but I am a bit confused and would appreciate having it spelled out. I certainly don't believe it was premeditated - but resulted from Spector doing something he had done for years with a tragic result.
TIA.
:confused: I guess I'm confused. I thought Spector was convicted of Murder 2 plus the gun enhancement....

[dref99]

Dref99,

Some gun owners respect the laws and register all their guns, date purchased, where purchased, where they were first registered and under what license number. Very easy to do and then file with important papers and never arrested for anything.

1962 New Sears & Roebuck .22 rifle “J.C. Higgins model” registered with Ossining, NY Police Dept.

1964 New Marlin .35 lever action carbine rifle model 336 registered with Ossining, NY Police Dept.

1976 Used Smith & Wesson model 10 .38 special revolver, 4” barrel registered with Rochester, MN Police Dept.

1981 New Colt AR-15 .223 rifle registered with Westfield, MA Police Dept.

1985 New Smith & Wesson model 29 .44 magnum 8” barrel registered with Westfield, MA Police Dept.

1991 New Belgium Browning Safari 30.06 rifle, bolt action registered with Westfield, MA Police Sept.

Mortie

Hi Mortie

I am sure there are many responsible gun owners - but I have never and will never own a gun, so I won't be one of them.

Phil obviously didn't fit the "responsible" pattern, so it is a shame that he didn't follow the path I chose. I read somewhere (no link - I really can't remember) that he had no idea he even had all those guns. My understanding from both trials is that he certainly had no idea about ammunition, because he put the wrong ammunition in a number of the guns - including the one that killed Lana.

From all I have read, Phil's gun ownership was there to help him "stand tall" and intimidate others. Did anyone hear whether he
- knew how to use all those guns
- went shooting regularily
- belonged to a gun club

All I ever heard was that he "carried" a gun, and apart from anything else, I believe it is illegal, without a permit, to carry concealed weapons in California.

It will be an ignoble end to a fairly pointless life. To an extent he finally achieved the renown he always wanted - it must have been agonizing to discover by the end he was mainly ignored - except on a message board and a true crime blog.


jmo

[dref99]

:confused: I guess I'm confused. I thought Spector was convicted of Murder 2 plus the gun enhancement....


You are correct Anakerie. IF the crime had been premediated, it would have been Murder 1. The prosecution accepted that they could not prove this, so only asked for Murder 2. My2cents and Jayne explained all the rules a few threads ago. Stopped me confusing myself!

Despite he may not have "meant" to kill Lana, because he brought a loaded gun into the proceedings and pointed it at the victim (or probably more likely pushed it into her mouth) he fulfils the "implied malice" requirement. Even if it went of accidentally (e.g. when Lana pushed it away) it is still murder because the gun was there in the first place.

Lana was killed with a gunshot - so the gun enchancement would virtually be automatic. I doubt the jury had to think very long over that one.

jmo

[tartangirl]

I can't say why I keep comim back to this forum..same people bein argumentative with posters..just to keep it goin..pity..
Maybe after he is sentenced I'll be able to leave..so..here I sit..wantin the maximum the judge can pass his way..fingers crossed y'all..

Don't y'all think the Phil/Rachelle "union" was like an employment contract..
that's what I think..he, IMO, would not give her "wife" status to own or have any control over anything that he owns..
..and I bet the contract is iron clad too.
RS may actually have to do what Lana was doin..lookin for employment to support herself..

An honest living would be a good thing for Mrs. Spector. :smile:

This case going two years, ( oh AJ must be so tired by now) with volumes of facts presented and many forgotten as well, what was it that Chelle has on PS? I hope I did not dream that part of the scenario up one night. :rolleyes: I know MB has much and I can not wait to read her story. I thought that Chelle had a book with details and was doing a bit of creative blackmailing there at the castle? Have no clue where I heard that, but your post had me thinking about that again. I hope someone has their memory banks all revved up enough to clarify that thought. :smile: That would explain the marriage to me, at least at the beginning of the whole ordeal.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Anakerie]

Isn't it strange Spectorfan hasn't been around?
I hope sure took this conviction ok.............
It is pretty strange that we haven't heard from her... I hope she's ok too.


ETA: did the thread suddenly get shorter? I could have sworn we were on page 5 a few minutes ago... lol..

[eagleeer]

I never heard of a Jewish inmate finding Jesus. imo

I guess then you have never heard of Jews for Jesus then have you.

There are many Jewish people who have converted to Christianity with the belief that Jesus is their Savior.

[eagleeer]

(snipped) I thought that Chelle had a book with details and was doing a bit of creative blackmailing there at the castle? Have no clue where I heard that, but your post had me thinking about that again. I hope someone has their memory banks all revved up enough to clarify that thought. :smile: That would explain the marriage to me, at least at the beginning of the whole ordeal.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Vonna, Chelle's little black book no matter what is in it has no value to her now. What more can they do to PS? Maybe take away his birthday but that's about it. :wink:

[vonna]

Vonna, Chelle's little black book no matter what is in it has no value to her now. What more can they do to PS? Maybe take away his birthday but that's about it. :wink:

Bet he'd miss his birthday less than his wigs.

[eagleeer]

Bet he'd miss his birthday less than his wigs.

Oh Vonna, you sure know how to shoot me those one liners. I haven't forgotten you catching my typo. "Rahelle" :laugh:

[eagleeer]

I don't get your point.

Just because I never heard of a Jewish inmate doing this means that I never heard of Jews for Jesus?

That's a leap.imo


I am sorry, maybe I should have said there are many Jewish people and inmates who have converted to Christianity with the belief that Jesus is their Savior. Now where is my leap?

[Dave]

"Following yesterday's conviction of Phil Spector on second-degree murder in the death of actor Lana Clarkson, agent Sharlene Martin of Martin Literary Management reports she is shopping a proposal for a 'tell-all memoir from adopted son Louis Spector', The Gingerbread House On La Collina Drive: My Life Caged Behind Phil Spector's Wall Of Sound. Louis and his twin brother 'were adopted at the age of five by Spector and presented to Spector's then unsuspecting wife as a surprise Christmas gift'."

http://busselton.yourguide.com.au/news/national/national/general/ninety-days-on-baghdad-beat/1488829.aspx

[My 2 Cents]

"Following yesterday's conviction of Phil Spector on second-degree murder in the death of actor Lana Clarkson, agent Sharlene Martin of Martin Literary Management reports she is shopping a proposal for a 'tell-all memoir from adopted son Louis Spector', The Gingerbread House On La Collina Drive: My Life Caged Behind Phil Spector's Wall Of Sound. Louis and his twin brother 'were adopted at the age of five by Spector and presented to Spector's then unsuspecting wife as a surprise Christmas gift'."

http://busselton.yourguide.com.au/news/national/national/general/ninety-days-on-baghdad-beat/1488829.aspx

Good for you Louis . . . I will be 1st in line to buy one, when it is published. :read:

I think writing about your childhood and the unique and difficult circumstances that played such a huge role in it, may offer some form of healing for you. I am sure the process of writing something as detailed and involved as a book, must have been an emotional "roller coaster" for you, and extremely stressful. But I would also bet, that it might just provide some "closure" for you, by organizing some thoughts and putting them down on paper. Because of this, perhaps it will provide some degree of healing, for some "very old and deep wounds" that you might possibly still be carrying around with you (at least, that would be expected).

AND LOUIS - - - PLEASE DON'T THINK FOR ONE MINUTE, ABOUT ANY EFFECT THIS MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE ON PHIL SPECTOR. THE FINISHED BOOK WILL NOT BE "FICTION", IT WILL BE "NON-FICTION". Meaning, the book is filled with FACTS, FACTS that were the sole result of Phillip Spector's actions, in-actions and selfish behavior. I HOPE YOU SELL A MILLION COPIES . . . YOU WILL DESERVE EVERY PENNY YOU MAKE, . . . AND MORE!!!!!!

P.S. - I like the name of the book. I'm very intrigued by the "Gingerbread House" analogy.

[Themis]

Would someone be kind enough to reiterate the difference between what Spector was found guilty of and Murder2? It surely didn't come close to IVMS - but I am a bit confused and would appreciate having it spelled out. I certainly don't believe it was premeditated - but resulted from Spector doing something he had done for years with a tragic result.
TIA.
Vonna: Perhaps the explanations in the links below will help you. Please note the definitions are in layman's terms and are not taken directly from California Statutes.

Spector was found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder.

1. Murder in the Second Degree (or Murder 2)

http://www.squidoo.com/seconddegreemurder


2. Manslaughter: Voluntary and INvolutary defined

http://www.squidoo.com/manslaughter

[Anakerie]

You don’t even know the half of it yet at the same time, it’s very therapeutic. I hope it does well, and I hope people can read beyond the name “Phil Spector” and actually enjoy the story itself. And to think, one agents actually didn’t like the title and change it to “Behind The Wall of Sound.” Now if Phil was writing a book, that would be a good title, but not for me. By the way, I hope all is well with you My2Cents. And to everyone else who might be looking foreword to the book, I hope your not disappointed. I am trying my best to write the book I would be proud of and hope that you would be too.

by the way, I added a picture of me as a child looking ever so cute on "Myspace"
Hi Louis! I'll be in line to buy your book when the time comes.. :biggrin:

[nsm]

Hope someone posts his prison mugshot! I'm sure it will be without the wig. What prison is he going to?

[Anakerie]

Hope someone posts his prison mugshot! I'm sure it will be without the wig. What prison is he going to?
The only mugshot that has been posted so far is the one from the jail where he is being held until sentencing. As for what prison he'll be living at, we won't know until after his sentence has been handed down. Initially he'll be going to one of the "intake centers", probably the one at Chino since they handle most of the prisoners coming into the system from Southern California... Once he gets through the processing there, they will make the decision as to where he will be transferred to.

After sentencing, we'll possibly see a mugshot from the intake center and then later on, perhaps one from his new "permanent" home.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Gee who wrote this response? It ain't hard to figure out. She thinks he is our "Mozart" too.

Leave Him Alone
"I believe he's innocent. His lawyers will help him. He is going through a lot. He"s being wrongly accused. Some crazy women went home with him not knowing him and got wasted and killed herself. Please people, leave poor Phil alone. He needs to get out and make some more amazing music."
Posted by Phil Supporter

:rolleyes:


Yikes, I would be more than happy to leave Phil alone now that he is where he should have been the past 6 years!! and I will take that one step farther, LEAVE CHELLE ALONE too, no one really wants to hear from her, nor her thoughts, beliefs and rantings!! I've already tuned her out..and she can go back to her previous office position and cater to some other "Needy" rich person!!

LMS:laugh:

[vonna]

Vonna: Perhaps the explanations in the links below will help you. Please note the definitions are in layman's terms and are not taken directly from California Statutes.

Spector was found guilty of 2nd Degree Murder.

1. Murder in the Second Degree (or Murder 2)

http://www.squidoo.com/seconddegreemurder


2. Manslaughter: Voluntary and INvolutary defined

http://www.squidoo.com/manslaughter

Thanks so much!!!!!

[vonna]

Good morning...
Perhaps the next time we see her she's appear as "CaseyFan1" or HuckabyFan1.....:scared::chicken:

Isn't that the truth???? Good morning Dianna - and all.

[Jayne]

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He was found guilty of Murder 2. Also guilty of using a gun in the commission of a felony.

Jayne can explain it better than i

I'll try. I know my posts are voluminous and not very well accepted by a few.

M2..."malice implied" murder..meaning there was no proof (or indictment, for that matter) of Premeditation. The jury found him guilty of M2 rather than IVMS (which means a type of "disregard for human life" my words not CA statute). The gun used in commission of a crime comes in three levels...again, I don't remember the first two, but I think it is 2, 4 and then 10 years. The first level is "had a gun", second is "used it" in some manner but didn't cause death, third is "fired it" and killed the person essentially...I'm explaining this in "lay terms".

I did some research on the "gun enhancement" in CA (and NY years ago). It's partly speaking to gang activity, which is a good thing, IMO. If you threaten someone with an unloaded firearm, you are still putting the "fear of death" into that person to do what you want. Fact that it isn't shot or doesn't cause death, doesn't matter. It's using a weapon. If you shoot a gun at the garage door, not kill the person, but put the "fear of life/death" into them to get what you want...it rises to another level. If you shoot the person, accidentally or not, if that weapon was used in the commission of the crime and the person ends up dead because of it, it rises to the third level. I may be wrong on the CA criminal evidence/law, but it's my interpretation. I do believe Fidler will add the 10 to PS's sentence. The jury even said so..they said he USED it to commit the crime. She has a bullet in the back of her spine...SO..he SHOT it..he didn't just threaten her with it, he USED it BIG TIME. I can't see the court giving PS anything less than 25 years (and tears) WithOut Parole.

I had more to add...but will save it if anyone is interested in PM.


J

[Mr. Moto2]

Well, if he has to be in prison at least 15 years, I think that's where he'll die. Maybe Spector will be better off this way, instead of being released (if he's alive) at 85-plus years-old. Whew.

[vonna]

Well, if he has to be in prison at least 15 years, I think that's where he'll die. Maybe Spector will be better off this way, instead of being released (if he's alive) at 85-plus years-old. Whew.

Haven't you heard? "Only the good die young."

[Mr. Moto2]

you need to add the gun enhancement also. I believe he will automatically get 10 years added b/c he used/fired a gun. IMO that means Spector would be 95 before being eligible for parole.

Oh, I thought the 15 years was mandatory, and then he could be eligible for parole sometime during the years following (the "gun enhancement years" so to speak).

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Haven't you heard? "Only the good die young."

Sorry folks, but I truly hope he lives many years under the control of the penal system......just enough to placate those that want justice here on earth...however, me thinks he will have a far worse penalty to pay when he meets the final Judgement!! That is something he really should avoid as long as he can!!! All the money in the world will not get him away from that JUDGEMENT!!

LMS

[vonna]

:seeya:Good afternoon Vonna.
I have been running all day. Got to get them "have to do's out of the way.
So Ms. Vonna, do you think they will bring old Harvey in with his Orange jump suit on and no wig. I was told once you belong to the State and you are a prisoner they do not permit you do get dressed in street cloths, thereafter. Whats your take on it. If I remember correctly OJ Simpson (at sentencing) had his prison cloths on. That was in Nevada.:confused:

I am guessing that he will be dressed in street clothes - but I'd dearly love to see him in the orange jumpsuit - as we've waited so very long!!

[Themis]

Oh, I thought the 15 years was mandatory, and then he could be eligible for parole sometime during the years following (the "gun enhancement years" so to speak).
According to the linked article from the Los Angeles Times, April 14, 2009:

A Los Angeles jury convicted Phil Spector of second-degree murder.
The verdict of second-degree murder -- the most severe option offered to jurors -- with the use of a firearm means the 69-year-old Spector faces a mandatory life prison term when he is sentenced May 29.

" He must serve at least 18 years before being eligible for parole. "

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector14-2009apr14,0,1475110.story

Barring a successful appeal, of course.

[Anakerie]

According to the linked article from the Los Angeles Times, April 14, 2009:

A Los Angeles jury convicted Phil Spector of second-degree murder.
The verdict of second-degree murder -- the most severe option offered to jurors -- with the use of a firearm means the 69-year-old Spector faces a mandatory life prison term when he is sentenced May 29.

" He must serve at least 18 years before being eligible for parole. "

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector14-2009apr14,0,1475110.story

Barring a successful appeal, of course.

Everyone keeps mentioning a "successful appeal" freeing Phil. I wonder how long it will be before an appeal even happens... My understanding is that it could be years before an appeal would even be considered. Anyone know for sure?

[Themis]

Everyone keeps mentioning a "successful appeal" freeing Phil. I wonder how long it will be before an appeal even happens... My understanding is that it could be years before an appeal would even be considered. Anyone know for sure?
Yeah, how about that.:biggrin:

No, I do not know the answer to your question, Anakerie. I suppose it all depends on the busy schedules of Doron Weinberg and/or Dennis Riordan. Although they have separate practices they both are tenants in the same small building in San Francisco.

We do not even know for sure if Weinberg has committed to handling Spector's appeal, do we? It may be Riordan who will do Spector's appeal.

I'll just go with what you said up top: ....it could be years before an appeal would be even considered.

[Themis]

i wonder if Harriet Ryan is assuming PS only gets three years for the gun charge????

I thought Weinnberg said it would be several years for an appeal to even be heard.
I can only assume Harriet Ryan, and many others who have written about Spector's guilty verdict, are using the absolute minimum Spector will have to serve before even being considered for parole.

For all we know Judge Fidler could sentence Spector with 10 years for the gun charge. Personally, I think it unlikely.

Note: many articles reference to Spector as being 69 right now. That is not true. He is currently 68, turns 69 on December 26, 2009. He was born in 1940. In any case, Spector will be at least 86 -- a good reason to use the miniumum sentence -- before he is eligible for parole using all the minimum years. [JMO * Themis]

[sunstar]

I can only assume Harriet Ryan, and many others who have written about Spector's guilty verdict, are using the absolute minimum Spector will have to serve before even being considered for parole.

For all we know Judge Fidler could sentence Spector with 10 years for the gun charge. Personally, I think it unlikely.

Note: many articles reference to Spector as being 69 right now. That is not true. He is currently 68, turns 69 on December 26, 2009. He was born in 1940. In any case, Spector will be at least 86 -- a good reason to use the miniumum sentence -- before he is eligible for parole using all the minimum years. [JMO * Themis]

Isn't there a difference too whether the murder charge and the gun enhancement run concurrently or consecutively? I agree, I think the media's using the minimum, on the murder conviction. MOO

[sunstar]

I am guessing that he will be dressed in street clothes - but I'd dearly love to see him in the orange jumpsuit - as we've waited so very long!!

I think once they're convicted they have to wear the jail jumpsuit. :shrug:

[dref99]

Sprocket mentioned an interesting item in regard to the civil proceedings against Mr Spector - insurance - does anyone know if you can insure yourself against murdering someone?

Would it be personal liability insurance - or house insurance?

Even from prison it would seem Mr Spector will try to get someone else to pay for his responsibilities.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/04/phil-spector-wrongful-death-suit-by.html

jmo

[oodi]

Sprocket mentioned an interesting item in regard to the civil proceedings against Mr Spector - insurance - does anyone know if you can insure yourself against murdering someone?

Would it be personal liability insurance - or house insurance?

Even from prison it would seem Mr Spector will try to get someone else to pay for his responsibilities.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/04/phil-spector-wrongful-death-suit-by.html

jmo

Personal liability insurance, whether it be on a homeowners policy or an excess liability policy clearly excludes coverage for any criminal acts. Any insurance PS has won't help him in this case.

[kennedy06]

Homeowners insurance, who would have thought..what a move.

I cannot even begin to imagine what a financial tangled mess this all is. Sort of like borrowing from Peter to pay Paul then not paying Paul to pay ?..... this may start in 2010, well...it will probably be like Mr. Marshalls estate he has been gone how long, Anna is dead and I don't think that estate is settled yet. Phil will be occupied in prison keeping tabs of this suit, that suit, this attorney, that attorney, this appeal that appeal, and the fees will just eat it all up for him and the Clarksons...why do think we might hear Baby I Love you being used for an antacid commercial in the future:unsure:
What a mess, an accountant's dream. JMO

[dref99]

I can only assume Harriet Ryan, and many others who have written about Spector's guilty verdict, are using the absolute minimum Spector will have to serve before even being considered for parole.

For all we know Judge Fidler could sentence Spector with 10 years for the gun charge. Personally, I think it unlikely.

Note: many articles reference to Spector as being 69 right now. That is not true. He is currently 68, turns 69 on December 26, 2009. He was born in 1940. In any case, Spector will be at least 86 -- a good reason to use the miniumum sentence -- before he is eligible for parole using all the minimum years. [JMO * Themis]

I would disagree re the Judge - I think he will sentence PS to the maximum allowed under the sentencing rules.

As regard to the age - there have been comments as to 1939/1940 birth since the case began - I don't know which is correct & have to admit that I really don't care. I think at some time Louis Spector may have talked about the date but so many threads/comments have been deleted recently I cannot confirm this.

jmo

.

[oodi]

I agree. I think Sprocket mentioned Allstate was the carrier.

I wonder though if the Clarksons can also sue Allstate, Limo company, bars, etc.?


They probably originally named Allstate in the suit as a "just in case" should PS be acquited. There would be coverage in the case of an "accident." Bars/bartenders have been successfully sued in cases where someone drove drunk and had an accident, but I've never heard of a bar/bartender being sued because someone they served decided to shoot someone. Then again, there was the "twinkie defense" so who knows. As far as the limo company (or whoever it was that ADS was employed with), I can't see any liability on their part at all. It wasn't even their car being driven, it was PS's... they just supplied a driver.

[Anakerie]

I scrolled thru this thread really fast, so I could have missed an answer to this question:

WHERE do you think PS will be incarcerated?

Thanks

Jester
To start with, I think he'll be sent to Chino since it's the intake center for most of the Southern California inmates.. He'll probably be there for a while (months?) while they evaluate his needs, health and stuff.. Then they'll decide which of the other prisons he'll "fit" into..... I have no clue which one they'll send him to once he gets done being evaluated.

[spydernweb2006]

No matter how many years Phil gets I hope he can turn his attitude around and embrace his children and their love for him, rather then be the mean tyrant he has been in the past. I am hoping all this opens his eyes and heart. Call me an optimist but Id love to see some good come out of all this tragedy. Some people not only acclimate in jail but actually do better then if they were free, Im hoping Phil is one of those.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[Details]

IIRC, appeals take many years to happen. First, your lawyers prepare whatever paperwork - then they have to get an appeals court something to look at it, rule on if they have any grounds - this is not done rapidly - it'll take a fairly long time. Nearly always, the court does not find grounds for an appeal - you need to have 1. a mistake that 2. would have changed the verdict. Difficult to get - you might find a mistake - but unless you can show it was a pivotal item in the trial, it won't work.

But imagine that the court does say it's an appealable issue. Then, the court has to set a date - the schedule is booked way out.

Think about how long Spector delayed his first and second trials. In a sense, he was just doing what the courts will do to him. Appeals are slow.

[Mr. Moto2]

No matter how many years Phil gets I hope he can turn his attitude around and embrace his children and their love for him, rather then be the mean tyrant he has been in the past. I am hoping all this opens his eyes and heart. Call me an optimist but Id love to see some good come out of all this tragedy. Some people not only acclimate in jail but actually do better then if they were free, Im hoping Phil is one of those.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

That's a nice constructive post, Spyder.

[vonna]

I think Mr. Phil Spector will give up on life and die very lonely in prison.

jmo :(

I see a lot of crystal balls are working well this morning.

[kennedy06]

I think Mr. Phil Spector will give up on life and die very lonely in prison.

jmo :(

I don't. If it happens that way it will happen within the first year and because of health reasons IMO.

If he is in the kind of health which can be monitored and taken care of in the first several months:

IMO the fan mail will start rolling in, groupies and women that like the guys behind bars or even the possibility of money or an influence for their possible fame or family members fame, will write PS you are innocent babe, marry me.

I think a rock group or two will take another look at his music, maybe record a song with a new sound sort of like Guns & Rses did with the song, whats your game girl IIRC by Charles M. . During this 6 years it didn't stop others from announcing his influence on their music remember that gal named Amy W. and the song Back to Black, or how about the gal that sang Be boy be my baby gave PS songwriting credit IIRC?

I don't think he will ever see common inmates but with those in that "special" class of criminals, if he does get to meander about with them in the "yard" there will be those that will want to befriend him, be his bodyguard in hopes maybe that Mom maybe rewarded somehow. There will be others that may hope to be the one to make a name for themselves at his expense,..... but as he has now I suspect in there the biggest will be around him. JMO but this is how I see it.

IMO He will read, watch tv, maybe jot down a tune or two send it to his Yes men. He will try to charm the guards tell with some old tales of rock n roll, he is elderly and tiny so they won't be afraid of him.

The food will be terrible, the mattress hard, he will sit and think .Maybe like CM tried to reach out to one of his kids (yes CM son is on utube telling about it from 96) maybe PS will too, he will discover relgion possibly and finish his lawsuits, the monopoly game isn't quite over. Then like any elderly man time will take its toll 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, 10.......

I don't think he will ever change his story about that night. I don't think he will enjoy himself or be happy but just complacent and finish his fight and always wonder what his pretty little wife is up to.

If he is mean I think they will break him and make him comply.

All my opinion only, anyone else?

[nsm]

Dont you all think he will have a real hard time adjusting to prison life?
All his little comforts will be gone. He strikes me as a person how obviously has to be in control all the time. This is gone. he will now be the one controlled. I hope he gets bullied by the prison guards just like he bullied the women he terrorized. He got what he deserved.

[eagleeer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spydernweb2006 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13021401#post13021401)
No matter how many years Phil gets I hope he can turn his attitude around and embrace his children and their love for him, rather then be the mean tyrant he has been in the past. I am hoping all this opens his eyes and heart. Call me an optimist but Id love to see some good come out of all this tragedy. Some people not only acclimate in jail but actually do better then if they were free, Im hoping Phil is one of those.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder


Nice post Spyder, it is nice to see a more posistive attitude here.

[oodi]

Who knows... maybe we will see an entirely different PS at his sentencing. He certainly won't be catered to and his bad behavior tolerated in prison. I think that the only good that may come out of this is that his time behind bars is the "wake up" call he needs to become the type of father he should have been. I hope and pray that's what happens.

[Daisy'sMom]

Who knows... maybe we will see an entirely different PS at his sentencing. He certainly won't be catered to and his bad behavior tolerated in prison. I think that the only good that may come out of this is that his time behind bars is the "wake up" call he needs to become the type of father he should have been. I hope and pray that's what happens.

I don't see that happening. PS believes he is a victim and will play that role no matter what. The judge was out for him, the DA was out for him, the police were out for him, the list goes on and on. By now I am sure he believes the government was out for him and that is why he is jail. I don't think he will ever admit his guilt, I don't think he believes he did it anymore.

[vonna]

I don't see that happening. PS believes he is a victim and will play that role no matter what. The judge was out for him, the DA was out for him, the police were out for him, the list goes on and on. By now I am sure he believes the government was out for him and that is why he is jail. I don't think he will ever admit his guilt, I don't think he believes he did it anymore.

I agree with your assessment.

[tartangirl]

Oh...a link with words from Mrs. Spector six days after her spouse had been taken to jail. Over an intercom at the castle gated entrance with an air of calm almost aloof defiance she barked "Read my website. That will tell you all you need to know, I have really nothing to add yet."

Well, from what I have heard there is the same old same old garbage at that site. Although not together, the phrases gold digger and Tinseltown wannabee are used in this article. I have to admit, I did smile quite a bit reading it.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/95910/Former-Playboy-model-stands-by-shamed-millionaire-Phil-Spector

The writer seems to have a very clear picture of those actions by RS that have her skating on thin ice, and that just maybe she has been told recently to "put a sock in it" until after the sentencing. :rolleyes:

I have a few more and will post them on the links thread.

It seems that I am still feeling the afterglow of the guilty verdict. :wink: Justice served is such a lovely phrase. It has wrapped itself around me and I must admit I do like the warm fuzzy feeling of it all.

Not having found a place to put all of the information and yet to be sentencing feelings I have for this case, I remain interested and ready to read all. Like a few other longtime and addicted posters, I am here each day and will be until it is no more.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[GPSpector]

I scrolled thru this thread really fast, so I could have missed an answer to this question:

WHERE do you think PS will be incarcerated?

Thanks

Jester

He's at the "Twin Towers" now, I believe in the Medical Wing where is will not mix with General population.

I am not 100% sure, but he may go to Corcoran: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/COR.html

[sunstar]

He's at the "Twin Towers" now, I believe in the Medical Wing where is will not mix with General population.

I am not 100% sure, but he may go to Corcoran: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/COR.html

Hi Gary :smile: Does that state prison deal with medical issues more than the others? I did notice they have an acute care hospital. I'm just wondering why he might be sent there. Isn't that where Manson is?

[tartangirl]

I have been mulling over this link for a day. While it does have a good look into the Phil that some claim to know, it is unkind and so unfair to say the least to those who helped to put him away on Monday April 13, 2009. We all know that just does not set well with me, or many others here. Still, there are some sane insights by the writer and information about the man that they think they all know as their friend and lunch buddy.

Reasonable doubt once again is brought front and center.

Many still think he is innocent. We all, or the majority of us, know better. :mellow:


http://toddeverett.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/spector-verdict-breaks-40-year-record-at-what-cost/

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[kennedy06]

Hi Tartangirl thanks for the link. I just have the feeling there will be something else that happens before the 29th. The addicted, whos addicted:wink: my mouse just automatically scrolls over and clicks IS! Maybe sober house will do a show on us, Dr. Drew help, she's going near the computer again! Well there will be books I'm looking forward to reading...I'm sure those that posted about Scott P are still interested if anything new comes up, so I don't think we are so unusual. There was still a R. Blake thread last year.

As for my prison post, I could be way off of course, I was just thinking outloud at that moment, oh she watched lock up last night what a dead give away, tomorrow I could have him in the psych ward:rolleyes: JMO

I realize this is just a pause for Lana's family, there is more to take care of, they have been through a lot.

The queen yelling go to her site, did she update it?

[tartangirl]

Hi Tartangirl thanks for the link. I just have the feeling there will be something else that happens before the 29th. The addicted, whos addicted:wink: my mouse just automatically scrolls over and clicks IS! Maybe sober house will do a show on us, Dr. Drew help, she's going near the computer again! Well there will be books I'm looking forward to reading...I'm sure those that posted about Scott P are still interested if anything new comes up, so I don't think we are so unusual. There was still a R. Blake thread last year.

As for my prison post, I could be way off of course, I was just thinking outloud at that moment, oh she watched lock up last night what a dead give away, tomorrow I could have him in the psych ward:rolleyes: JMO

I realize this is just a pause for Lana's family, there is more to take care of, they have been through a lot.

The queen yelling go to her site, did she update it?

I have not been to her site for quite a long time now. You go and come back and tell us...LOL :w00t:

Yes, after being a part of this trial for two years we are going to navigate to this place each day and look for word of something new or a good discussion to read or participate in. It really is still sad that this group that has been so loyal to this case was not able to see the retrial gavel to gavel on TruTv. Well, that is done and dusted and we have all moved on...um...some of us have..LOL

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[kennedy06]

I have been mulling over this link for a day. While it does have a good look into the Phil that some claim to know, it is unkind and so unfair to say the least to those who helped to put him away on Monday April 13, 2009. We all know that just does not set well with me, or many others here. Still, there are some sane insights by the writer and information about the man that they think they all know as their friend and lunch buddy.

Reasonable doubt once again is brought front and center.

Many still think he is innocent. We all, or the majority of us, know better. :mellow:


http://toddeverett.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/spector-verdict-breaks-40-year-record-at-what-cost/

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Why would anyone expect AD to remember Lana's name they just met. He wasn't conversing with her PS was.

The prosecution stacked their side one day.... Who was calling out for supporters?

So he was still living it up apparently. Well maybe prison just might be a real adjustment!

Thanks Tartangirl, see there is always something more to come.

[dref99]

I have been mulling over this link for a day. While it does have a good look into the Phil that some claim to know, it is unkind and so unfair to say the least to those who helped to put him away on Monday April 13, 2009. We all know that just does not set well with me, or many others here. Still, there are some sane insights by the writer and information about the man that they think they all know as their friend and lunch buddy.

Reasonable doubt once again is brought front and center.

Many still think he is innocent. We all, or the majority of us, know better. :mellow:


http://toddeverett.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/spector-verdict-breaks-40-year-record-at-what-cost/

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


I'm not feeling sorry for Phil. I come back looking for news like other addicts. I can't go away until I hear (and crossing everything - watch) Judge Fiddler explain to Phil Spector - what he did - and how terribly wrong it was. I am totally sick of hearing excuses, it is an accident, he must be insane.

I wonder how many of the others who were threatened by Spector think back as to anything they may have done to stop him. Like them all, I would have simply wanted to get away - but there have been many tales about "when good men do nothing". The man has acted like a badly behaved child - all his life. When Mom can no longer fix things - maybe money will. He won too often, he paid too often and he threatened too often. Lana was told to treat him like gold - someone should have also mentioned he was one to stay away from outside of the office!

I don't blame anyone else for what happened - they have my tears and sympathy - it simply becomes a study as to what happens if you say too often "that's just Phil". If he had ever had to account for his actions - Lana may yet be living.

So the blog - the background shows that Phil was "buying" his friends way back when.
"In addition to the gatherings at his homes in Pasadena and, later, Alhambra, for several years he would occasionally rent a small bowling alley in Montrose; invite easily more than 50 people, many of whom he barely knew"

The rest of his pro Spector story has been said before, over and over, by a very small majority. The Judge, the Jury, the DA and Alan Jackson all had motives other than justice. They spent millions to prosecute this poor little man who unfortunately had someone die in his house. He was jut tidying up while ADS called the police - can't have a mess when visitors are coming!

There is only one person who ever mentioned suicide in relation to Lana - and that was Phil Spector. At last he found a group of 12 people that did the job they were entrusted to do. They didn't run or hide, but finished the task they were given. They found no reasonable doubt.

jmo

[GPSpector]

Hi Gary :smile: Does that state prison deal with medical issues more than the others? I did notice they have an acute care hospital. I'm just wondering why he might be sent there. Isn't that where Manson is?

Yep, that's the same place.

From what I understand, the main reason he may go there is because, they can house high profile inmates and has a medical facility that may be able to deal with my fathers needs.

There are some interesting people there, in there own private quarters. Also, that's where Robert Downy Jr. went for a short time. So that prison does deal with all level of inmates for many different violations.

[dref99]

If anyone leaves a comment for Phil's lunch buddy would you ask him what a batsignal is! Is it a new piece of technology or has it something to do with Gotham City and Batman?

:smile:

Apologies if I am wrong - but for an oldie - Batman used to be the only being around with a phone in car - so those who can remember the days before cell phones - they were often called bat phones when first introduced. It would seem the lunch man is of the age to use this terminology. No doubt thinks it is funny - but rather dates one.

jmo

[kennedy06]

Apologies if I am wrong - but for an oldie - Batman used to be the only being around with a phone in car - so those who can remember the days before cell phones - they were often called bat phones when first introduced. It would seem the lunch man is of the age to use this terminology. No doubt thinks it is funny - but rather dates one.

jmo

Thank you dreff, I felt sort of silly not knowing what it was so I deleted my post. Thanks again.

:smile:

[dref99]

Thank you dreff, I felt sort of silly not knowing what it was so I deleted my post. Thanks again.

:smile:

Oh dear - my apologies for answering - nothing to be silly about - just showing how young you are - making me envious - :smile:

[oodi]

I may be wrong too, but I thought it was the bat shaped searchlight that shone in the sky... the Batman version of an SOS signal. :unsure:

[dref99]

I may be wrong too, but I thought it was the bat shaped searchlight that shone in the sky... the Batman version of an SOS signal. :unsure:

Nah - Phil didn't know about calling 911 - can't imagine he would ever have heard of SOS :laugh:

You could well be correct - either way it is a "dated" reference


jmo

[oodi]

Nah - Phil didn't know about calling 911 - can't imagine he would ever have heard of SOS :laugh:

You could well be correct - either way it is a "dated" reference


jmo

LOL! I forgot about that. :biggrin:

[True2Blues]

I have been mulling over this link for a day. While it does have a good look into the Phil that some claim to know, it is unkind and so unfair to say the least to those who helped to put him away on Monday April 13, 2009. We all know that just does not set well with me, or many others here. Still, there are some sane insights by the writer and information about the man that they think they all know as their friend and lunch buddy.

Reasonable doubt once again is brought front and center.

Many still think he is innocent. We all, or the majority of us, know better. :mellow:


http://toddeverett.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/spector-verdict-breaks-40-year-record-at-what-cost/

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Thanks TG. Another PS propagandist. He met with PS in groups over a number of years, listening to stories and watching PS perform for his 'audience' of admirers. Always admirers, not friends, or so his account seems to me, and all he can think to do is talk down the Prosecutor and all of the press who actually attended a trial he didn't go to and witnesses.

Yeah, not really an account that holds any weight for me. His main purpose in PS's life was to be among the 'admirers' he wanted to be surrounded with.

[tartangirl]

Nah - Phil didn't know about calling 911 - can't imagine he would ever have heard of SOS :laugh:

You could well be correct - either way it is a "dated" reference


jmo

Both explanations have truth to them. I could only think of the tale of Phil wandering around his castle in that Batman costume of his. I am not sure if it was in one of the books or the special on BBC, but it was mentioned and I wondered if that was part of the author's way of keeping him in character :rolleyes:

It is early days yet before the sentencing and no doubt much can and will transpire before May 29, 2009.

Pot shots at the jury have already begun, the judge is prejudiced and the prosecution was out to get "someone famous" are only a few roads that have opened in less than one week since his guilty verdict was read.

I am enjoying my glow. I only hope the road ahead for the Clarkson family is not heavily laden with strife and tangled financial webs fashioned by that man who liked to live behind a mask. Batman or otherwise, he seemed to hide the truth even from himself. :wink:

Luckily the jury saw right through the smoke and mirrors and facts and common sense won out. I thank them again..Thank you, thank you so much.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[GPSpector]

Nah - Phil didn't know about calling 911 - can't imagine he would ever have heard of SOS :laugh:

You could well be correct - either way it is a "dated" reference


jmo

Ok, to go back to an even earlier time, here are some trivia questions:

Trivia questions regarding calls for help:
1- What was "CQD"?

2- When was it last used?

3- What did it stand for?

4- What was the 1st ship to use SOS?

[GPSpector]

Both explanations have truth to them. I could only think of the tale of Phil wandering around his castle in that Batman costume of his. I am not sure if it was in one of the books or the special on BBC, but it was mentioned and I wondered if that was part of the author's way of keeping him in character :rolleyes:

It is early days yet before the sentencing and no doubt much can and will transpire before May 29, 2009.

Pot shots at the jury have already begun, the judge is prejudiced and the prosecution was out to get "someone famous" are only a few roads that have opened in less than one week since his guilty verdict was read.

I am enjoying my glow. I only hope the road ahead for the Clarkson family is not heavily laden with strife and tangled financial webs fashioned by that man who liked to live behind a mask. Batman or otherwise, he seemed to hide the truth even from himself. :wink:

Luckily the jury saw right through the smoke and mirrors and facts and common sense won out. I thank them again..Thank you, thank you so much.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~






Actually the story of him running around the Alhambra home was published but I doubt there was any truth to it because the same exact rumor was said to also have happened in the Beverly Hills home. Since I lived there, I can honestly say, I had never seen my father dress up like Batman and run around the home. In fact, I do not believe he even had a pair of "Batman Underoos" (Ah, the visual).

I do not know how that story started but it sure seems to follow him from home to home. I'm sure it will be safe to say, he won't have a chance to do it where he is now.

[oodi]

Ok, to go back to an even earlier time, here are some trivia questions:

Trivia questions regarding calls for help:
1- What was "CQD"?

2- When was it last used?

3- What did it stand for?

4- What was the 1st ship to use SOS?

OK... I'll give it a shot...

1. Distress call

2. I have no clue

3. CQD = Come Quick Dammit

4. I believe it was "coined" by the Germans, so I'll say a German ship. I do know that it stands for "Save Our Souls" or "Save Our Ship."

[GPSpector]

OK... I'll give it a shot...

1. Distress call

2. I have no clue

3. CQD = Come Quick Dammit

4. I believe it was "coined" by the Germans, so I'll say a German ship. I do know that it stands for "Save Our Souls" or "Save Our Ship."

Actually, you have some very good guesses. You got 1 right.:thumbup:

I'll leave them unanswered for a little bit longer, just in case someone else wants to try. Maybe some of the PS "experts" might know :wink:

[Anakerie]

Ok, to go back to an even earlier time, here are some trivia questions:

Trivia questions regarding calls for help:
1- What was "CQD"?

2- When was it last used?

3- What did it stand for?

4- What was the 1st ship to use SOS?
:biggrin:
1- Distress call, similar to SOS

2- 1912, the Titanic?

3- CQ = General call (Anyone there?) .... D = Distress or danger (I think I remember that right from my FCC test for a radio license ages and ages ago.. lol)

4- Hmmm... The Titanic again? From what I've read, the radio operaters used both CQD and SOS

ETA: My answer for number 4 is wrong.. lol, I just looked up CQD on wikipedia.. They say that the first ship to transmit an SOS distress call appears to have been the Cunard liner Slavonia on June 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_10), 1900 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1909)

[Anakerie]

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ETA: My answer for number 4 is wrong.. lol, I just looked up CQD on wikipedia.. They say that the first ship to transmit an SOS distress call appears to have been the Cunard liner Slavonia on June 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_10), 1900 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1909)
lol, I even got my edit wrong... Please ignore the "1900"... I think I need to go to bed... Shoulda been 1909... hehe.. Sorry Gary!

[dref99]

Ok, to go back to an even earlier time, here are some trivia questions:

Trivia questions regarding calls for help:
1- What was "CQD"?

2- When was it last used?

3- What did it stand for?

4- What was the 1st ship to use SOS?

Hi GPS

I didn't have a clue - but always fun to find out - in past times I would have needed to go to the library - but google makes a great library & finds such interesting things to read

1. The original call for help code at sea

2. Still looking for this one - seems to be after 1935

3. All stations (CQ) Distress (D)

4. SS Arapahoe 1909 was the first US ship to use SOS

http://www.telegraph-office.com/pages/arc2-2.html

[kennedy06]

Thanks TG. Another PS propagandist. He met with PS in groups over a number of years, listening to stories and watching PS perform for his 'audience' of admirers. Always admirers, not friends, or so his account seems to me, and all he can think to do is talk down the Prosecutor and all of the press who actually attended a trial he didn't go to and witnesses.

Yeah, not really an account that holds any weight for me. His main purpose in PS's life was to be among the 'admirers' he wanted to be surrounded with.

I agree.

The man even brought up the race of the jurors. This batsignal was sent out for lets do "lunch" a lighthearted sort of sounding signal at best for someone waiting for what could be their life sentence to come in. This from the same man that looked like he was on his way to being semi comotose at the defense table?? Surely that wasn't an act in the courtroom? Oh, the many faces of Phil :glare:

[kennedy06]

Actually, you have some very good guesses. You got 1 right.:thumbup:

I'll leave them unanswered for a little bit longer, just in case someone else wants to try. Maybe some of the PS "experts" might know :wink:

Are these clues to Phil talk or when Phil was in distress did he word things differently?!

[dref99]

Actually, you have some very good guesses. You got 1 right.:thumbup:

I'll leave them unanswered for a little bit longer, just in case someone else wants to try. Maybe some of the PS "experts" might know :wink:

What is a PS "expert"?

[oodi]

your number 3 is funny.... that was also my guess.

And that's probably the only one I got right. LOL

[Jayne]

Quote:
Originally Posted by oodi
OK... I'll give it a shot...

1. Distress call

2. I have no clue

3. CQD = Come Quick Dammit

4. I believe it was "coined" by the Germans, so I'll say a German ship. I do know that it stands for "Save Our Souls" or "Save Our Ship."



your number 3 is funny.... that was also my guess.

HAHA Coulda used that yesterday.

CQD...very funny, oodi

[SHORTSIRKT]

Can anyone tell me why PS's body guards weren't with him the night he took Lana to his Castle? Seems that they were present at other times, why not this time?

[eagleeer]

1.The first distress signal adopted for radio use. It was announced on January 7, 1904. "CQD" is understood by wireless operators to mean, "All stations: distress." Contrary to popular belief, CQD does not stand for "Come Quick, Danger", "Come Quickly Distress", "Come Quick - Drowning!" or "Come Quick, Dammit!"; these are backronyms.
2. "CQD" was never adopted as an international standard. Possible last known use. During the sinking of RMS Titanic in 1912, its radio operator Jack Phillips initially sent "CQD",
3. See No. 1 aforementioned.
4. Cunard liner Slavonia on June 10, 1909, according to "Notable Achievements of Wireless". In 1906, at the second International Radiotelegraphic Convention signed on November 3, 1906 and became effective on July 1, 1908. SOS remained the maritime radio distress signal until 1999.

Since you are OT as it relates to PS 2 here is a real quizzable. Why do some attempt to have others believe that the military looks into the reputation of parents and decides on discharges accordingly? Even after completing basic training and serving for a few months. Thats ridiculous IMHO. Even if true, and it's not, that they(military) were concerned about a parents reputation an individual would not have been allowed to join. A GDUHC can be for numberable transgressions or violations. A parents reputation is not one of them. Generically that type of discharge means unsuited for military life. Some are and some are not. I would love to see a persons original copy of their DD-214 stating that a parents reputation was the basis for a discharge. Now back OT and the subject of a successful appeal.:thumbup:

This was a cheap and dirty shot at one of the respected posters here. I don't know what your motivation was for posting this but everyone here knows who you are talking about. I think that you have crossed the line here. I hope you are proud of yourself.

[Ellie]

This was a cheap and dirty shot at one of the respected posters here. I don't know what your motivation was for posting this but everyone here knows who you are talking about. I think that you have crossed the line here. I hope you are proud of yourself.


I could not agree more. The poster has no idea what the details of the situation are/were, and has no right digging around in a place he does not belong. But what do you expect? Par for the course as far as the poster goes. Disgusting. Guess Mr. Wikipedia ran out of things to talk about.

And as far as a successful appeal? Sadly (and I will say sadly because the whole, entire situation is sad... sad for Lana and her family, and sad for PS and his family) I don't think Phil will stay alive in prison long enough for an appeal to become a distant possibility. He is where he belongs: incarcerated, paying for the horrible crime he committed, and it was long overdue as it were. An appeal would take years to even get on the books. I will be intersted to see what happens to RS down the road, though.

[oodi]

Well said eagleeer and Ellie!

[Anakerie]

This was a cheap and dirty shot at one of the respected posters here. I don't know what your motivation was for posting this but everyone here knows who you are talking about. I think that you have crossed the line here. I hope you are proud of yourself.
My thoughts as well, eagleer... I hope you don't mind my tagging on to your post (I do not want to quote that other poster!) to add my disgust of that poster continually putting insults to that respected poster in this forum.

[GPSpector]

:biggrin:
1- Distress call, similar to SOS

2- 1912, the Titanic?

3- CQ = General call (Anyone there?) .... D = Distress or danger (I think I remember that right from my FCC test for a radio license ages and ages ago.. lol)

4- Hmmm... The Titanic again? From what I've read, the radio operaters used both CQD and SOS

ETA: My answer for number 4 is wrong.. lol, I just looked up CQD on wikipedia.. They say that the first ship to transmit an SOS distress call appears to have been the Cunard liner Slavonia on June 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_10), 1900 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1909)

I do believe we have a winner. And yes, the TITANIC was the 1st ship to use both CQD & SOS

SOS was decided on as the standard distress call due to its simplicity to tap " ∙∙∙ --- ∙∙∙ " compared to CQD's " -∙-∙ --∙- -∙∙ ".

[oodi]

I do believe we have a winner. And yes, the TITANIC was the 1st ship to use both CQD & SOS

SOS was decided on as the standard distress call due to its simplicity to tap " ∙∙∙ --- ∙∙∙ " compared to CQD's " -∙-∙ --∙- -∙∙ ".

Congrats Anakerie!!!

[coinoutlet]

After all this time I have come to believe that what you are "searching" for is what you lack.. a bit of intelligence and some class to go with it...IMO

[vonna]

:confused:You seem offended by the asking of a legitimate question prompted by the absurity of a statement. Rather that ask yourself the same legitimate question you direct pejorative statements at me.:thumbdown: BTW,..."respected posters"...is a purely subjective phrase I believe. Anyway, moving on.:smile:

What's your problem????????

[wasapi]

(snipped to avoid repeating garbage) Anyway, moving on.:smile:

Yes, I don't believe I am alone in wishing you would move on, far away from this board that you seem to gleefully contaminate every chance you get.

[wasapi]

This is my wish list for PS and all involved:

That Lana's family and friends feel at least some comfort that justice has been served.

Now after all control is taken, all the yes-people will vanish from PS's life.

That his medical needs are correctly evaluated and dealt with.

And, with those things resolved, he will come to realize and appreciate those people who - though they hate what he did - still love him. Like his family.

And last, Rachelle just goes away.

[barskin&co.]

Nausea Alert: Paul Heubl, the Team Spector lackey who has used his blog to assert all the defense allegations as fact throughout both trials (e.g.- remember when the defense was trumpeting the idea that Lana heard voices and talked to a dead woman, he wrote about that as if it was gospel), is following the directive of Rachelle's recent email and tearing down Judge Fidler and Lana without any regard to the truth or decency. I am not sure what can be done, because it seems like under the law you can get away with slandering the dead. Maybe Alan Jackson should be notified. I am not sure:

Here's the sleaze. (http://www.crimefilenews.com/2009/04/phil-spectors-future.html)

[Mr. Moto2]

I just read the Wikipedia article on Phil Spector. They have his age as 68. Is this true? I thought he was 69.

[oodi]

Tartan girl put this article in the links section.....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202009/gossip/cindy/spector_expects_to_be_free_165298.htm


There are so MANY errors in Cindy Adams' reporting.

That's an understatement. :ohmy:

[GPSpector]

I just read the Wikipedia article on Phil Spector. They have his age as 68. Is this true? I thought he was 69.

As best I know, it is 1939 but yes, Wiki does show 1940 and is also stated as 1940 in the Youtube Biography.

According to legal documents, it's 1939. As a small bit of trivia, that's also the same date on the bottem of the 2nd virsion on the Germans Iron Cross.

[coinoutlet]

As best I know, it is 1939 but yes, Wiki does show 1940 and is also stated as 1940 in the Youtube Biography.

According to legal documents, it's 1939. As a small bit of trivia, that's also the same date on the bottem of the 2nd virsion on the Germans Iron Cross.

I believe on his prisoner file at twin towers he is listed as 69.

[vonna]

Tartan girl put this article in the links section.....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202009/gossip/cindy/spector_expects_to_be_free_165298.htm


There are so MANY errors in Cindy Adams' reporting.

This is outrageous - even for Cindy Adams!!

[Anakerie]

How are you and your brothers doing GPS? Are any of you attempting to visit your dad yet?

[kennedy06]

First off, if she couldn't get PS off how in the heck is she going to get Casey A. off? :rolleyes:

I read these articles, blogs of support, posts of endearment on Phil's behalf and a bit of that biography and I begin to wonder, what am I not seeing that these people are?

From what point of vew are they coming from? It seems to be based on Phil is charming, he has some good stories to tell and he wrote some good songs, at least some of the time, so therefore he couldn't have done it. I guess that is the "faith" that was mentioned at one time that some have in him that knew him or think they know him. So on some level that makes him innocent for the most part, so they must turn their eyes away from the basics others see. I guess I get it finally, because the trials didn't prove him innocent I looked for it, but it wasn't there. I guess one may need rose colored glasses to ignore the evidence, the PBA's, I don't own them I want to see what is in front of me and know it is real. I don't want to know only half the story LOL JMO

[kennedy06]

Concerning the biography, thanks for the link! I wonder if it will be there next week:wink: So I quickly forwarded through them. I'll be honest I didn't care much for Ronnie just reading the words about how she left but when I was actually able to see her speak with emotion a real person, I felt sorry for her, her pain seemed genuine. JMO

[dref99]

HI you.
Anybody seen the Bio on youtube yet? There are nine parts of Phil´s Bio.
Give you the first one here : www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN79g1uL2YE

You are in it too, Gary.

See you!

LL

Thanks LL - I hadn't seen it - haven't watched it all yet - but initial reaction - it seems to be a relatively honest approach

jmo

[GPSpector]

Well, I watched the whole Bio again (I had seen it a long time ago).

Just to clarify, Ronnie did not choose to just leave Louis and I behind, she never had any legal rights to us. She did not fight for custody of Donté because she did not want to break us up. She did however, fly from New York to Los Angeles each Summer to see Donté since she was granted visitation rights, once a year. Our father would not allow myself or Louis to visit with her and that always upset her.

[dref99]

First off, if she couldn't get PS off how in the heck is she going to get Casey A. off? :rolleyes:

I read these articles, blogs of support, posts of endearment on Phil's behalf and a bit of that biography and I begin to wonder, what am I not seeing that these people are?

From what point of vew are they coming from? It seems to be based on Phil is charming, he has some good stories to tell and he wrote some good songs, at least some of the time, so therefore he couldn't have done it. I guess that is the "faith" that was mentioned at one time that some have in him that knew him or think they know him. So on some level that makes him innocent for the most part, so they must turn their eyes away from the basics others see. I guess I get it finally, because the trials didn't prove him innocent I looked for it, but it wasn't there. I guess one may need rose colored glasses to ignore the evidence, the PBA's, I don't own them I want to see what is in front of me and know it is real. I don't want to know only half the story LOL JMO

The stories are all based on what "Phil" has said. There have been very few if any, attempts to disparage the judge, the prosecutors or the expert evidence presented by the prosecution - apart from statements by Phil Spector or his wife (both prior to the gag) or his lawyers (after the gag).

The NY times article is presumably based on a phone call between Phil and LKB (that may or may not have happened) - and just to mention - Phil would be crazy to go past anyone except Riordan for his appeal - and I am crazy to be giving him good advice.

Googling blogs - for any blog supporting Phil, you will find 20 saying it is about time he paid for what he did. "The Sleaze" - so aptly described by barskin, just repeats and repeats statements from the past. He "mispokes" quite a few things as well.

I'm rather amused by the picture of Phil lining up for his 10 minutes on the phone - getting annoyed, casting his usual vulgar comments and hanging up - to remember he has to now go to the back of the queue to make another call!

jmo

[tartangirl]

Any one want a watch with the iconic Apple on the face? Given by PS to Nino Tempo, the inscription is telling. :wink:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



http://www.twentyfourbit.com/post/98177957/be-my-ebay-phil-spector-items-hit-the-auction-block

[Anakerie]

Any one want a watch with the iconic Apple on the face? Given by PS to Nino Tempo, the inscription is telling. :wink:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



http://www.twentyfourbit.com/post/98177957/be-my-ebay-phil-spector-items-hit-the-auction-block
Wow... That inscription is indeed revealing;“To Nino My Disgruntled And Only Friend Love Phil Spector Xmas ‘72."
I wonder if it's time for me to dig into the boxes of old LP's that I picked up at an estate auction a couple years ago..

Nah... I'll wait a while longer.............:wink:

[dref99]

Rather an interesting statement found on the bio - about the first trip of the Beatles to the USA

It was shortly after the assassination of President Kennedy
It was up to Phil to convince the beatles that they could come to America - that they wouldn't be shot
Almost a premonition of the future


jmo

[kennedy06]

Any one want a watch with the iconic Apple on the face? Given by PS to Nino Tempo, the inscription is telling. :wink:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



http://www.twentyfourbit.com/post/98177957/be-my-ebay-phil-spector-items-hit-the-auction-block

That gold record started at $100,000, I would say around July of 2007. Then I believe it was around Christmas this year time I found it back on there for $1,500! Oh, I thought should I, would I ...... then when I glanced over there while looking on eby I seen it is back up there for $90,000. :glare: Well I think that rightfully should belong to some family members...but what a profit I guess.

[barskin&co.]

The stories are all based on what "Phil" has said. There have been very few if any, attempts to disparage the judge, the prosecutors or the expert evidence presented by the prosecution - apart from statements by Phil Spector or his wife (both prior to the gag) or his lawyers (after the gag).

The NY times article is presumably based on a phone call between Phil and LKB (that may or may not have happened) - and just to mention - Phil would be crazy to go past anyone except Riordan for his appeal - and I am crazy to be giving him good advice.

Googling blogs - for any blog supporting Phil, you will find 20 saying it is about time he paid for what he did. "The Sleaze" - so aptly described by barskin, just repeats and repeats statements from the past. He "mispokes" quite a few things as well.

I'm rather amused by the picture of Phil lining up for his 10 minutes on the phone - getting annoyed, casting his usual vulgar comments and hanging up - to remember he has to now go to the back of the queue to make another call!

jmo

Absolutely right! The marginal forces of Team Spector talk about his conviction like it is an American version of the Dreyfuss Affair, but, by far, most people who know about the case know that justice was served. If Rachelle and crew expect the masses to march in the street to call for his freedom, boy, are they going to be disappointed.

[barskin&co.]

She couldn't even get LKB's name right. In fact - she got more wrong than correct.

But her description of Lana as a "little known B movie actress" who got "very dead" was downright offensive. :angry:

[kennedy06]

But her description of Lana as a "little known B movie actress" who got "very dead" was downright offensive. :angry:

I agree and what about this part something went seriously wrong. Is that a hint at DW defense possibly? JMO

[vonna]

I agree and what about this part something went seriously wrong. Is that a hint at DW defense possibly? JMO

It would make a fascinating defense. "Your Honor, I pulled a gun on her when she refused my advances as I have done many times during my life. But something went wrong. This time - the woman resisted - actually fought back - and the gun discharged. It was her fault for resisting."

[Anakerie]

I just added a link to the links thread... An interesting blog entry by David Lohr from Investigation Discovery. It's in his "Bizarre Crime of the Week" blog... I have to question some of his wording though..

http://blogs.discovery.com/bizarre/2009/04/phil-spector-convicted-of-murderfinally.html

Comments anyone?

[eagleeer]

I just added a link to the links thread... An interesting blog entry by David Lohr from Investigation Discovery. It's in his "Bizarre Crime of the Week" blog... I have to question some of his wording though..

http://blogs.discovery.com/bizarre/2009/04/phil-spector-convicted-of-murderfinally.html

Comments anyone?

Yea, I have a response. Apparently David Lohr never bothered to look at the crime scene photos. The lower half of Lana's jaw was perfectly intact. The only damage to her frontal facial features were the two missing upper teeth. I put as much faith in what Mr Lohr says as I did that filthy mouthed idiot Sean Krause who was supposedly David Lohr's nephew. Patently untrue. No relation. Sorry, I have had a bad day. arrrrrggggh. :cursing:

[dref99]

Yea, I have a response. Apparently David Lohr never bothered to look at the crime scene photos. The lower half of Lana's jaw was perfectly intact. The only damage to her frontal facial features were the two missing upper teeth. I put as much faith in what Mr Lohr says as I did that filthy mouthed idiot Sean Krause who was supposedly David Lohr's nephew. Patently untrue. No relation. Sorry, I have had a bad day. arrrrrggggh. :cursing:

Comment no 9 - should cheer you up
http://patterico.com/2009/04/13/phil-spector-convicted-of-second-degree-murder/

[FrankieBones1]

I just added a link to the links thread... An interesting blog entry by David Lohr from Investigation Discovery. It's in his "Bizarre Crime of the Week" blog... I have to question some of his wording though..

http://blogs.discovery.com/bizarre/2009/04/phil-spector-convicted-of-murderfinally.html

Comments anyone?

Did the blogger follow the trial?
An excerpt:
Unable to dispel the gruesome image of Clarkson with the lower half of her mouth blown away, the Los Angeles jury found the former hit-maker guilty of second-degree murder last week, on Monday, April 13, 2009, effectively bringing the six year ordeal to an end. Judge Larry Fidler ordered that Spector be taken into custody immediately despite pleas from his lawyers to keep him out of jail pending sentencing.

[FrankieBones1]

Nausea Alert: Paul Heubl, the Team Spector lackey who has used his blog to assert all the defense allegations as fact throughout both trials (e.g.- remember when the defense was trumpeting the idea that Lana heard voices and talked to a dead woman, he wrote about that as if it was gospel), is following the directive of Rachelle's recent email and tearing down Judge Fidler and Lana without any regard to the truth or decency. I am not sure what can be done, because it seems like under the law you can get away with slandering the dead. Maybe Alan Jackson should be notified. I am not sure:

Here's the sleaze. (http://www.crimefilenews.com/2009/04/phil-spectors-future.html)I agree that Alan Jackson should be notified. I had almost forgotten about Paul Heubl. Well I tried forgetting him.

[David_Lohr]

Did the blogger follow the trial?


Just to clear something up, I did not write the blog that you guys are talking about - http://blogs.discovery.com/bizarre/2009/04/phil-spector-convicted-of-murderfinally.html - that is Gary's blog, as is mentioned in the banner at the top of the page.

The only ID blog I write for is www.criminalreportdaily.com.

As a producer for ID, I do post Gary's blogs for him, but I do not write them. Hence, I am not the author of the Phil Spector article. If there is an issue with it (I have not followed that case) I suggest you contact Gary.

Thanks.

[kennedy06]

Thanks for correcting that, yes I see it is Mr. Kings article. He had more facts correct than some in the MSM. I will take his description of what happened to her mouth area to be "descriptive" as I think it is, and not an actual physical scientific factJMO

[tartangirl]

Comment no 9 - should cheer you up
http://patterico.com/2009/04/13/phil-spector-convicted-of-second-degree-murder/


Thank you for the link. I am thoroughly enjoying the blog so far and that comment was a top one to be sure. :smile:

It brought a big smile to my face. Now off to vote for DWTS. A mindless act no doubt, but something else that brings a smile to my face while I sit lingering in the afterglow of last week's verdict. :wub:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[vonna]

Did the blogger follow the trial?
An excerpt:
Unable to dispel the gruesome image of Clarkson with the lower half of her mouth blown away, the Los Angeles jury found the former hit-maker guilty of second-degree murder last week, on Monday, April 13, 2009, effectively bringing the six year ordeal to an end. Judge Larry Fidler ordered that Spector be taken into custody immediately despite pleas from his lawyers to keep him out of jail pending sentencing.

Quite obviously he did not!!

[Dunlurken]

Well thank goodness he was found guilty. It's about time. Any items belonging to PS should be bound over for the civil suit. No money coming to his kids. Lana's family deserves every dime he has left.
JMO.

[dref99]

Sounds like he is probably right.
Were the contents of your grandmother's house auctioned off? I wonder why wouldn't your father have picked up any items that were his before they got sold. Did the family take anything at all? Hard to imagine they would leave that gold record there.
I know you were told you were not welcome to go to her funeral so you may not know the answer to these things. But you are right: it should be in a museum.

I don't agree with the museum option - I think PS has now become infamous, rather than famous and I don't think he should continue to be honored by the music industry in any way.

Just my opinion, I realise that others disagree

[dref99]

Lana could of said "NO" when invited numerous times to Mr. Spector's home, and not give in.

I really think she went to be kind - he was begging her to go. Just look how her kindness was repaid.

I had thought folks would now give up on trashing the victim - sadly, not everyone. Play the video from 1.45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbChoiEX3As


jmo

[kennedy06]

Hi all!

I know Spector is now under medical care in a special unit.
But whenever he is transferred to the main place/prison,
will he get psychological treatment too there ?
I mean, are there shrinks to talk to or will they just leave
him alone?
Do murderers get psychological help in prisons in the US?
Just a question. TIA.

LL

I'm sure there are those that have a real expertise in this area will respond.

Just from someone that watches Lockup often, they will show certain prisoners in certain units receiving help. This help though that I have seen with the psychologist, they sit in the hall with their protective vests on and the prisoners on each side look out from their cell openings and they discuss things, like a group therapy session I guess.
I have no idea to the extent of PS's problems but some of these men's problems seem pretty severe such as cutting themselves, or dealing with their crimes, such as murdering the parent and the acts after that.

It seems these prisons are all ran a little differently, one having an inmate rodeo or others a weightlifting tournament, then no weights but some have cats on the grounds...one guy had one in his cell, was it death row I don't remember. The other night the guy had a guitar, cigarettes and an ashtray so it seems like thall vary to one extent or another. JMO

JMO

[tartangirl]

This links to a book that asks such a silly question by Scott Rabb. I had no trouble with my conclusion...no pity there. Sorry, that is just how it rides with me. Guilty, guilty, guilty....:glare:
Actually, not sorry...not so much at all...

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119871_suicide_watch_phil_spector.html


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[vonna]

Lana could of said "NO" when invited numerous times to Mr. Spector's home, and not give in.

But of course!! It's all her fault!!

[penguin01]

Hi all!

I know Spector is now under medical care in a special unit.
But whenever he is transferred to the main place/prison,
will he get psychological treatment too there ?
I mean, are there shrinks to talk to or will they just leave
him alone?
Do murderers get psychological help in prisons in the US?
Just a question. TIA.

LL
I have a question re this also. If PS still has money couldn't he pay for treatment by his own therapist who would visit him in prison - just as his attorney would visit him in prison?

[cocoloco]

Wow! just bumped into this little ditty...

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119871_suicide_watch_phil_spector.html

[eagleeer]

I have a question re this also. If PS still has money couldn't he pay for treatment by his own therapist who would visit him in prison - just as his attorney would visit him in prison?

I am sure that PS will get whatever treatment he asks for from the medical staff of the prison. That is not to say that he will request it though. He may think that he is ok in his own mind. Nobody knows, speculation is rampant all over the net.

[True2Blues]

I agree that Alan Jackson should be notified. I had almost forgotten about Paul Heubl. Well I tried forgetting him.

Hi Frankie! I know what you mean. I've tried to erase it from my mind as well. :laugh:

[True2Blues]

I have a question re this also. If PS still has money couldn't he pay for treatment by his own therapist who would visit him in prison - just as his attorney would visit him in prison?

They do have staff in prisons to treat them for both physical and mental problems. I've never heard of anyone being allowed to bring in their own doctor, money or no. It's a prison, not a country club. But who knows?

[kennedy06]

Well Why?, I for one think there is no way Harvey Phillip Spector will commit suicide.:sneaky: The schmuck is a coward. Any man who would take pleasure in sticking a gun in a womans face/mouth to aggravate, intimidate, harass is nothing but a little chicken chit coward. That was his way of belittling woman who he has always had a hate for. Personally I think he has always feared woman, for many reasons.

I never looked at it that way, that he feared women, that interesting. I just thought he may have thought they were beneath him.

[kennedy06]

I'm getting a little tired of feeling sorry for him at times, suicide well I would hope not, but you know whatever anymore. Can you imagine having a gun pointed at your face, no one else around how scarey that woud be??
I think I find some of my confusion about him in his songs lyrics. It was like he was trying to indentify with women. Chapel of Love... songs like that, those aren't aimed at men.

There is a song on utube now, I'll link to it. Its a rather lovely song I had never heard before that he had done. These are the things that confuse me about him. On one hand lovely meloldies women would like and be attracted to mainly, not men really, then says to Vincent. T., he want's a darn bullet in their heads.....which way did he want it????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ6w5GUINv0

JMO

[kennedy06]

I wish some of the clips with Lana in them from some of the tv shows she did would be put on utube.

[dref99]

i hope you are right. i hope he lives a very long time so he can serve his full time.... and he is miserable.

Well I hope he survives until May 29. I want to see him forced to listen to the results of what he has done. I want to hear Judge Fidler tell him why he is going to die in prison. I hope (but doubt) that he realises he just made the wrong choices and after spending years thinking he could get away with anything - he is now a convict - like anyone else who commits murder.

jmo

[dref99]

Hi all!

I know Spector is now under medical care in a special unit.
But whenever he is transferred to the main place/prison,
will he get psychological treatment too there ?
I mean, are there shrinks to talk to or will they just leave
him alone?
Do murderers get psychological help in prisons in the US?
Just a question. TIA.

LL

How do you know this - is there a link - or is it just because of his location at twin towers?

[vonna]

i think so... she discusses working for ps and leonard cohen

http://philspectorandkelleylynch.blogspot.com/2009/04/kelleys-email-to-editor-of-people.html

Is this Paul Huebl's sister?

[GPSpector]

Latest update:

SPECTOR BIOGRAPHER FEARS MOGUL WILL KILL HIMSELF
http://www.contactmusic.com:80/news.nsf/article/spector%20biographer%20fears%20mogul%20will%20kill %20himself_1101435

[bearwds]

Latest update:

SPECTOR BIOGRAPHER FEARS MOGUL WILL KILL HIMSELF
http://www.contactmusic.com:80/news.nsf/article/spector%20biographer%20fears%20mogul%20will%20kill %20himself_1101435

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Happy Earth Day Gary.

What insight, if any, do you give this Scott Rabb..??


bearwds

[dref99]

Hi all

I think it is time to fade away and come back on May 29. I find no sense or joy in reading about "poor ole Phil" - Lana died at 40 - Phil had an extra 29 years of living as he chose. Perhaps if he were my friend or relative I may think him worthy of sympathy - but he isn't in any of these categories - I view him as a murderer - like anyone else who shoots to kill.

I also dislike reading about how the judge was biased - or in this article "heavy handed"

I don't think I have watched a trial with a fairer judge. The defense appears to have escaped any santions for the discovery violations & we know not about the accused perjury. The experts who defied science with some of their highly thought out evidence worked for years without supplying any sort of documentation and the Judge accepted this as truthful. He bent over backwards to give Phil every chance.

Despite the remarks from Mr Raab - the judge even allowed manslaughter into the charges - which the defense did NOT want - so how Raab can then say "I do think Judge Fidler was heavy-handed in both trials. I wish the conviction had been for manslaughter." The defense didn't give manslaughter a chance. The defense was suicide.

I've very much enjoyed the company on the board, many thanks for all the news and insights and shared events - will return for the sentencing.

dref..

[cherylt]

Well Why?, I for one think there is no way Harvey Phillip Spector will commit suicide.:sneaky: The schmuck is a coward. Any man who would take pleasure in sticking a gun in a womans face/mouth to aggravate, intimidate, harass is nothing but a little chicken coward. That was his way of belittling woman who he has always had a hate for. Personally I think he has always feared woman, for many reasons.


hmmm, you think he's feared women? I haven't thought of it that way that very well may be true! I thought he just HATED them, saw them as beneath him, and since he is supposedly brilliant, no one can hold a candle to him. Look at what he did to all those poor woman who sang for him and didnt' get a dime &/or no royalties while HE raked it in...
Anyway, you're right, he is a coward so he probably would not commit suicide. But, could you imagine him turning toward an inmate, perhaps after fashioning a noose with some sheets & right b4 he dies saying "I think I killed myself." :wink:

[GPSpector]

Wow! just bumped into this little ditty...

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119871_suicide_watch_phil_spector.html

Thanks for the link. I left a comment.

[GPSpector]

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Happy Earth Day Gary.

What insight, if any, do you give this Scott Rabb..??


bearwds

As much as I hate to say it (and I do), but I've been saying this since the 1st trial.

Suicide has been my biggest worry for my father since the beginning of the 1st trial. In a cheap, petty way, it could also be his way to get the last laugh on everyone.

I just don't care what would happen after he's gone, I worry about him while he's alive and I would like him to keep living.

[barskin&co.]

I wish some of the clips with Lana in them from some of the tv shows she did would be put on utube.

Her movie, "Amazon Women on the Moon," which is hillarious, is frequently on premium cable stations.

[kennedy06]

Was he the sole lyricist or with someone else? When people co-write things, there are times a co-lyricist contributes very little if anything. There are times a person who is famous is credited just so the true lyricist can get the song recorded.

Hi Why, I had found this catalog sometime ago. On it he is listed as the writer for this particular song I linked to. I would like to know why the person that loaded that song used that particular picture for the song, was it something on the original 45 cover or what, but..I guess that is another story...I just found it odd.

You are correct as I can see on many other songs about being a co-lyricist. I don't know about the rest of you, I do listen to an oldies station most often when driving, though I do like those oldies from the 80s and 90s too LOL! Still, I don't hear in particular PS songs that are associated with the girl groups or earlier it seems, or at least not very often. Of course I hear the Beatles members....What is Life and songs like that once in awhile. I have heard a song or two associated with him as a producer in the grocery store to my surprise and in a restaurant.

I just thought it would be interesting, if someone that writes a book surrounding him (Louis or Michelle.. maybe!) would exam only the lyrics he wrote in particular and notice if there is some common thread in them or over time. I don't note songs about cars, war, summertime...songs like those heard from the Beach Boys or others. Mainly songs based on emotion, love, desire, leaving. Maybe they are just words and nothing more. Who knows....


http://songwritershalloffame.org/index.php/songs/detailed/C130/P0/

:smile:

[kennedy06]

Her movie, "Amazon Women on the Moon," which is hillarious, is frequently on premium cable stations.

Thanks, I hope to catch it someday. I'm not going to forget about this trial. Why would I, I spent to much time on it, so even if it is 5 years from now I'm sure I would be interested.

[kennedy06]

Well I hope he survives until May 29. I want to see him forced to listen to the results of what he has done. I want to hear Judge Fidler tell him why he is going to die in prison. I hope (but doubt) that he realises he just made the wrong choices and after spending years thinking he could get away with anything - he is now a convict - like anyone else who commits murder.

jmo

I hope that it is televised.

I think more so to hear Lana's Mother speak to him, if it conducted like that. I personally have only heard of her speaking up in this article and the trials. This is before she had to sit through 2 trials of her daughter's life being examined and picked at. Part of her life given new meaning/twisted IMO only to benefit the defense of PS. That would be a lot to keep quiet about.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Entertainment/Story?id=442185&page=1

[tartangirl]

I hope that it is televised.

I think more so to hear Lana's Mother speak to him, if it conducted like that. I personally have only heard of her speaking up in this article and the trials. This is before she had to sit through 2 trials of her daughter's life being examined and picked at. Part of her life given new meaning/twisted IMO only to benefit the defense of PS. That would be a lot to keep quiet about.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Entertainment/Story?id=442185&page=1

I enjoyed reading the words of Donna Clarkson and her daughter Fawn again. Good people with hurting hearts still managed to show class and humanity in their daily grief. Even toward the killer of their beloved daughter and sister. :mellow:

I am completely interested in this hearing on May 29, 2009 and hope it is televised. I do not want to see the Clarkson family go through any more pain. I would, however, love to hear what is said by any and all who have something to speak about concerning this long and difficult trial and retrial.

I remain glued to my chair, how can I leave now? It has almost become an acquaintance of sorts and I need to see it off to a contented ending if that is possible. :rolleyes: A finalization of sorts.

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[tartangirl]

I think that is key.... if ps had shown any remorse at all, even without admitting he had killed Lana, he might get a tad bit of sympathy from me.... he has instead continued with his narcissistic ways.... and even if he did show compassion, PS should be locked away forever.

a normal person (who lost a kid) would be able to empathize with Mrs. Clarkson....

Sociopaths will never ever have to apologize, because they never do any wrong. :sad:

I would still not have any sympathy for him. His pattern of behavior and careless attitude toward another human being show his evil demeanor to me very clearly. :glare:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[GPSpector]

I liked your comment. Have you ever met this woman? Is she always that psycho?

To answer both questions: No and I would not want too find out.

[barskin&co.]

Thanks, I hope to catch it someday. I'm not going to forget about this trial. Why would I, I spent to much time on it, so even if it is 5 years from now I'm sure I would be interested.

"Amazon Women on the Moon" features many notable actors, including Rosanna Arquette, Michelle Pfeiffer and Dominick Dunne's son, Griffin Dunne.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092546/fullcredits#cast

[oodi]

"Amazon Women on the Moon" features many notable actors, including Rosanna Arquette, Michelle Pfeiffer and Dominick Dunne's son, Griffin Dunne.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092546/fullcredits#cast

Kind of ironic that Phil Hartman was also in it, and he was also murdered.

[vonna]

Sociopaths will never ever have to apologize, because they never do any wrong. :sad:

I would still not have any sympathy for him. His pattern of behavior and careless attitude toward another human being show his evil demeanor to me very clearly. :glare:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Like you, I see nothing with which to sympathize. My sympathies lie with Mrs. Clarkson and family.

[GPSpector]

He's at the "Twin Towers" now, I believe in the Medical Wing where is will not mix with General population.

I am not 100% sure, but he may go to Corcoran: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Visitors/Facilities/COR.html

Is this the post with the link that was asked about.

I'm glad it was not deleted like a prior post.

[vonna]

i do not have sympathy for ps, not at all..... i have sympathy for the Clarksons..... i do have sympathy for the sons of ps..... none for nicole

Your response to TG was better than mine. I should have added that the Spector sons have my respect and sympathy, too.

[kennedy06]

"Amazon Women on the Moon" features many notable actors, including Rosanna Arquette, Michelle Pfeiffer and Dominick Dunne's son, Griffin Dunne.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092546/fullcredits#cast

Thanks. I was looking at all the names for that movie, it was pretty star studded. I continued reading after clicking her name. I didn't know whether to feel happy for her that her interest rating had gone up so high or sad. Their message board, what was left of the few remarks about the trial was as mixed as ours was at one time.

[bchand]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.

ODD SPECTOR MEMORIES

April 23, 2009 --

PHIL Spector's adopted son, Louis, 42, is shopping a sordid memoir with a bombshell allegation about one of his dad's long-ago girlfriends.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232009/gossip/pagesix/odd_spector_memories_165696.htm

:ohmy:

[Mr. Moto2]

Did the women who testified (the ones who Spector pulled guns on) have a lot of psychological trauma in the years following? Sorry if I'm a Johnny come lately to this, but these thoughts are stirring me. I still can't believe Spector essentially got away with his gun antics for decades... until it was too late.

[Anakerie]

This is a bunch of hogwash from "the sleaze" I might add.
This is Paul Heubl.
And I quote "His health has been compromised severely because of this ordeal." Well, ain't this special.
Spector showed how severely compromised his health was last year dancing at the castle with his woman humping his leg right after a juror hung up the trial. This Paul person sure must be getting paid some of Spectors defense funds. The (Phillip Spector) passion he demonstrates indicates he's on someones payroll.:mad:
He's a joke!

JR, what piece were you referring to on the top of page 9..I'm looking for it. Thanx...
I think JR was referring to a comment by Kelly Lynch (Comment #15) on this site:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119871_suicide_watch_phil_spector.html

Don't know for sure though... Her name came up after post 291 by kellygreen...

[vonna]

This is a bunch of hogwash from "the sleaze" I might add.
This is Paul Heubl.
And I quote "His health has been compromised severely because of this ordeal." Well, ain't this special.
Spector showed how severely compromised his health was last year dancing at the castle with his woman humping his leg right after a juror hung up the trial. This Paul person sure must be getting paid some of Spectors defense funds. The (Phillip Spector) passion he demonstrates indicates he's on someones payroll.:mad:
He's a joke!

JR, what piece were you referring to on the top of page 9..I'm looking for it. Thanx...

snipped:

This is Paul Heubl.
And I quote [B]"His health has been compromised severely because of this ordeal."

Now let's consider and talk about how Lana's health was compromised.

[vonna]

Good evening Ms. Vonna...
Boy, you have that spot on!

Good evening, Dianna. Perhaps it would have been less stressful for Spector had he been in jail for six years instead of the uncertainty of not knowing whether his lies would get him off.

[bearwds]

This is a bunch of hogwash from "the sleaze" I might add.
This is Paul Heubl.
And I quote "His health has been compromised severely because of this ordeal." Well, ain't this special.
Spector showed how severely compromised his health was last year dancing at the castle with his woman humping his leg right after a juror hung up the trial. This Paul person sure must be getting paid some of Spectors defense funds. The (Phillip Spector) passion he demonstrates indicates he's on someones payroll.:mad:
He's a joke!

JR, what piece were you referring to on the top of page 9..I'm looking for it. Thanx...

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To be fair... I didn't see Spector really dancing.

He just sort of stood there as R did the cootchie on his left leg.

He then appeared to become bored and went into the Castle as R continued to air-hump.

Not much energy expended.


bearwds

[oodi]

interesting comments at this article



i do not know if one comment is accurate.... it indicates that paul mccartney announced on the day that Lana was murdered that he was stripping the PS music from the 'let it be' album.....

I had read something similar in an article recently... but I can't remember which article.

I thought the article had said it was hours earlier, and wondered if that had contributed to PS' "bad attitude" that night.

[kennedy06]

Did the women who testified (the ones who Spector pulled guns on) have a lot of psychological trauma in the years following? Sorry if I'm a Johnny come lately to this, but these thoughts are stirring me. I still can't believe Spector essentially got away with his gun antics for decades... until it was too late.

Your questions are welcomed as are anyone elses that may have missed out on the main parts of the trial. I cannot recall reading anything in particular about how they dealt with their trauma, like nightmares or anything. I doubt if that is something that you would forget, one of those things that pops back into your mind at the oddest times I suppose. I'm sure testfying about it twice has kept it fresh in their memories too.

If their stories come out more it would be sort of interesting to hear how it affected them personally. I can't imagine a husband or Father, son or brother or any family member for that part, not being upset to know their loved one was treated like that. So I often think this prison sentence maybe satisfying to more than Lana's family. JMO

[kennedy06]

lol, that post almost had me too...

I've been googling around trying to find out when Paul announced that he was going to re-release Let It Be.. Haven't found what I was looking for but I did stumble across a blog about the Beatles from last October.. It's got some quotes from Phil that are.. Uhm.. Interesting."When he is asked how he will cope if he does get sent down for murder, he mumbles: “I’ll be in a jail with Bubba, 6ft 8 Bubba and he’ll be my husband.”
Whatever you say Phil."
From this link: http://beatle.wordpress.com/2008/10/27/1578/


On the Agony documetary PS sort of quickly blew off SP and the Let it Be Nked stuff IMO with his own special way of wording it LOL! paraphrasing, So who knows....

I had come across a great story about PS at a rock n roll party. I won't link to it because there is a few foul words in the title only because it was one PS used there apparently. In it there is a story about PS and SP meeting outside a bathroom and how they greeted each other. I had gone over to Sir P main site, he has one with a msg board and things. I did look around for reaction about PS last year but I don't remember them discussing it really. Heck I was just sort of thrilled that Sir P would address his "people" on the home page there LOL. I haven't looked over there in awhile.

Anyway if you want to read this most interesting story from this deceased rock journalist look up The Blacklisted Journalist A legendary night.

One thing I read on it that helped me to understand IMO this not talking to people thing with PS this guy tells about his relationship with PS and the talking or not talking.

paraphrasing of course :) and JMO

JMO

[kennedy06]

I should add that article is like 10 years old also. Not a current party or anything. Also I'm not saying that announcement from Sir Paul had no effect oh him, I'm just mentioning how PS blew it off in his "special way", on that show IMO, thats all. Thanks

:smile:

[kennedy06]

Shame on me for not looking at the links and then trying to answer Mr. Motos question about the PBA's!:rolleyes:

Thank you dreff for linking to it on the 20th !!

Devra's thoughts about the verdict!

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/95078/Spector-s-ex-over-the-moon-about-verdict

JMO

[lane99]

I think JR was referring to a comment by Kelly Lynch (Comment #15) on this site:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/the_awful_truth/b119871_suicide_watch_phil_spector.html


Does this link work for everyone but me? Tried over a couple days, but I always get error message: "IE can't display this webpage".

[oodi]

Does this link work for everyone but me? Tried over a couple days, but I always get error message: "IE can't display this webpage".

The link works fine for me. :confused:

Could it be an anti-spyware or web security program you use that is blocking it?

[lane99]

The link works fine for me. :confused:
Could it be an anti-spyware or web security program you use that is blocking it?

It's a good thought. But the page won't load, even when I turned off my Norton security programs.

But, if it's working for most people, it must have something to do with my computer, or my internet connection.

[vonna]

Hi,

I can't access the link either, I get the same message as you?????

Nic

It is compatible with the Firefox browser.

[AlohaRainbow]

:seeya: hi from a ps2 lurker... i was so disappointed that this re-do wasn't televised...

anyway, when is sentencing?

[AlohaRainbow]

:seeya:Hi Aloha...
Sentencing is scheduled for May 29th, 2009..
Very happy about this. He is in custody and in jail!
thanks!! :)

[vonna]

Good afternoon Ms. Vonna...
I had no problem getting into the link you speak of.

I read that Doron Weinberg had a hearing in respect to his "Child molester" client and he put it off and blamed it on his "Phil kills Lana" case.

He's just a bad lawyer all together and is struggling with his defense like he did with Phil...:wink:
Perhaps he's not the apple of their eye anymore since this verdict came down. Remember, he was at the "Peek" of his career.:rolleyes:
JMO

Happily, it's more like a "valley."

[GPSpector]

Hello CJ, good to see you're still around.

I agree with your comments; although, I really did not care for the Defense that my father had. I was sure that he could have done a lot of other things that would have helped him a lot more.

I had no doubt what my father wanted to do, I was just disappointed in how the Defense for both trials handled the case.