Wednesday 15th April

[Adalena935]

Continue discussion here.

[aproudmom]

Thanks a bunch for the new thread..:smile:

[aproudmom]

(KRON) -- Tracy Police officers are examining possible evidence recovered during a third search of the Clover Road Baptist Church.

KRON 4's Terisa Estacio says investigators spent about 15 minutes inside the church then left with what appeared to be evidence envelopes.
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1041/reftab/36/t/Investigators-Return-to-Clover-Lane-Baptist-Church-to-Serve-Third-Search-Warrant/Default.aspx

[tinkerbell]

Continue discussion here.

Thank you and I hope I didn't cause a problem...

[tinkerbell]

(KRON) -- Tracy Police officers are examining possible evidence recovered during a third search of the Clover Road Baptist Church.

KRON 4's Terisa Estacio says investigators spent about 15 minutes inside the church then left with what appeared to be evidence envelopes.
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1041/reftab/36/t/Investigators-Return-to-Clover-Lane-Baptist-Church-to-Serve-Third-Search-Warrant/Default.aspx

Maybe LE was looking for paper that matched the paper the note was written on?

[Adalena935]

bugout posted this in the other thread. I think it's interesting so I brought it over.

I guess, at this point I need to know exactly where her child was when this occurred. Is she taking the rap for someone? Or, is she the perp?
LE would not have arrested her if they didn't have solid evidence maybe she has id'd something inside that suitcase, like the actual weapon used.

Whatever they have it's significant. I think that some cannot see beyond her mental illness and this will be an insanity defense, easy.
DP, and she will use her prior history of mental illness as an excuse, for her "preferences" I'd like to hear from her ex, and baby daddy at this point, for insight on exactly who she is/was at the time he knew her.
That would help. Exactly who is her ex? Anyone have a link?
__________________

tinkerbell and RachelRose also said something doesn't fit with this case/arrest. Now you've aroused my curiosity. I see some have said they don't know what, fair enough. It's a weird case. Rarely have we heard of women sex offenders. I do believe they exist though.

You mean her depression bugout? Isn't that just the family's word so far? So far as I know she was not ruled mentally ill. I think it's in here:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

This link has some info about her ex. They weren't together very long at all.

[Adalena935]

Thank you and I hope I didn't cause a problem...

Oh I don't think so at all. It was way over 1,000 and time to open a new thread. It's Wednesday EDT anyway.

[ThreeSmiles]

In response to the person who was asking why we were discussing Sandra's hair color......

I believe that there were questions as to why Sandra's hair looked black in color in one (or more) photo(s) and is very light colored in the one that was on the "Missing" posters.

Some posters (myself included) mentioned that lighting as photos are taken in different places/times may affect its appearance.

Ectera.....

[tinkerbell]

Oh I don't think so at all. It was way over 1,000 and time to open a new thread. It's Wednesday EDT anyway.

Thank you, Adalena935 :smile:

[aproudmom]

Maybe LE was looking for paper that matched the paper the note was written on?

could be..

[Adalena935]

I think her lawyers will use the insanity defense if they're able to. I think her parents will hire lawyers for her eventually. I don't think the insanity defense will fly for a minute. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was involved in this with her in some way, shape or form.

It seems reasonable she may have been selling child porn on the net or attenpting to produce it for sale. Maybe something on that might turn up later, but be a dif crime in a dif capacity & dif jurisdiction.

All these children that go missing nationwide you can bet this is what becomes of a lot of them and no one ever knows the truth about it. I'd bet there's more women involved than anybody could've guessed.

Few yrs ago FBI + International law enforcement agencies broke up an International child porn ring. Amongst the criminals were grandparents producing and selling filthy DVD's of their own grandchildren. After reading that nothing would surprise me. It is so unbelievable, but tragically it's a real cancer in our society. People making money their god.

With the economy getting so tight & layoffs, expect more of it. Hate to say it but I bet it will occur with more frequency.

If it's true she did this, you can bet producing it for the black market isn't far from her mind if she haden't thought of it already.

[aproudmom]

In response to the person who was asking why we were discussing Sandra's hair color......

I believe that there were questions as to why Sandra's hair looked black in color in one (or more) photo(s) and is very light colored in the one that was on the "Missing" posters.

Some posters (myself included) mentioned that lighting as photos are taken in different places/times may affect its appearance.

Ectera.....

yeah we talked about it back a week or more ago..thank for clearing that up though..not a big deal...

[Adalena935]

In response to the person who was asking why we were discussing Sandra's hair color......

I believe that there were questions as to why Sandra's hair looked black in color in one (or more) photo(s) and is very light colored in the one that was on the "Missing" posters.

Some posters (myself included) mentioned that lighting as photos are taken in different places/times may affect its appearance.

Ectera.....

Oh yeah, okay. Caylee Anthony's hair was different colors in different photos too. That can and often does happen with lighting, etc.

[Adalena935]

The KRON news reporter said FBI went into the church this afternoon with envelopes & came out with the envelopes bulged out. They could've been getting paper samples too, but paper doesn't usually bulge. The reporter said they also were back at Melissa Huckaby's mobile home again.

Thanks for the link.

It'll be really interesting how this case develops. I don't think this is the end of it by her arrest. They may arrest others and call it a different case. Receiving child porn is illegal but wouldn't rise to the severity of producing it or kidnapping/murder. Maybe she was trying to scarf some extra bucks without working. She wouldn't be the first to live a life of crime in lieu of a day job.

[tinkerbell]

I think her lawyers will use the insanity defense if they're able to. I think her parents will hire lawyers for her eventually. I don't think the insanity defense will fly for a minute. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was involved in this with her in some way, shape or form.

It seems reasonable she may have been selling child porn on the net or attenpting to produce it for sale. Maybe something on that might turn up later, but be a dif crime in a dif capacity & dif jurisdiction.

All these children that go missing nationwide you can bet this is what becomes of a lot of them and no one ever knows the truth about it. I'd bet there's more women involved than anybody could've guessed.

Few yrs ago FBI + International law enforcement agencies broke up an International child porn ring. Amongst the criminals were grandparents producing and selling filthy DVD's of their own grandchildren. After reading that nothing would surprise me. It is so unbelievable, but tragically it's a real cancer in our society. People making money their god.

With the economy getting so tight & layoffs, expect more of it. Hate to say it but I bet it will occur with more frequency.

If it's true she did this, you can bet producing it for the black market isn't far from her mind if she haden't thought of it already.

Doesn't an insanity defense require the defendant not knowing the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime? If a defendant covers up the crime (as it seems MH tried to do by hiding SC's body in the suitcase in a retention pond) doesn't that indicate a feeling of guilt?

[oodi]

I think her lawyers will use the insanity defense if they're able to. I think her parents will hire lawyers for her eventually. I don't think the insanity defense will fly for a minute. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was involved in this with her in some way, shape or form.

It seems reasonable she may have been selling child porn on the net or attenpting to produce it for sale. Maybe something on that might turn up later, but be a dif crime in a dif capacity & dif jurisdiction.

All these children that go missing nationwide you can bet this is what becomes of a lot of them and no one ever knows the truth about it. I'd bet there's more women involved than anybody could've guessed.

Few yrs ago FBI + International law enforcement agencies broke up an International child porn ring. Amongst the criminals were grandparents producing and selling filthy DVD's of their own grandchildren. After reading that nothing would surprise me. It is so unbelievable, but tragically it's a real cancer in our society. People making money their god.

With the economy getting so tight & layoffs, expect more of it. Hate to say it but I bet it will occur with more frequency.

If it's true she did this, you can bet producing it for the black market isn't far from her mind if she haden't thought of it already.

I just watched the video on KCRA again: http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

The DA said that her petty theft case in the Tracy area was being handled by the "Mental Health Court and obviously any mental issues would have an effect on this case." It sounds like the DA knows there may be reason for a diminished mental capacity defense.

[blestw4]

An accident?! How do you accidently rape a little girl and accidently do it with a foriegn object. Does she really expect us to believe that:confused: I for one don't believe it for a second!

[aproudmom]

bugout posted this in the other thread. I think it's interesting so I brought it over.

I guess, at this point I need to know exactly where her child was when this occurred. Is she taking the rap for someone? Or, is she the perp?
LE would not have arrested her if they didn't have solid evidence maybe she has id'd something inside that suitcase, like the actual weapon used.

Whatever they have it's significant. I think that some cannot see beyond her mental illness and this will be an insanity defense, easy.
DP, and she will use her prior history of mental illness as an excuse, for her "preferences" I'd like to hear from her ex, and baby daddy at this point, for insight on exactly who she is/was at the time he knew her.
That would help. Exactly who is her ex? Anyone have a link?
__________________

tinkerbell and RachelRose also said something doesn't fit with this case/arrest. Now you've aroused my curiosity. I see some have said they don't know what, fair enough. It's a weird case. Rarely have we heard of women sex offenders. I do believe they exist though.

You mean her depression bugout? Isn't that just the family's word so far? So far as I know she was not ruled mentally ill. I think it's in here:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

This link has some info about her ex. They weren't together very long at all.

Thanks for the link
so does some think she is being set up or hiding or covering up for others..or what??do you think they would say no more arrest just not to alert others? this whole thing gets crazier by the day imo nothing is out of the question imo

[Adalena935]

Thanks for the link
so does some think she is being set up or hiding or covering up for others..or what??do you think they would say no more arrest just not to alert others? this whole thing gets crazier by the day imo nothing is out of the question imo

Yes I think LE might put out that info so as not to spook others who might be involved.

[Adalena935]

I gave everyone on the other thread the heads up for this link the 2nd time just now.

What is a coder? And how come people know what it is but I've never heard of it?

[oodi]

I gave everyone on the other thread the heads up for this link the 2nd time just now.

What is a coder? And how come people know what it is but I've never heard of it?

The coding that sex offenders use.... like their own pig latin.

[aproudmom]

I just watched the video on KCRA again: http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

The DA said that her petty theft case in the Tracy area was being handled by the "Mental Health Court and obviously any mental issues would have an effect on this case." It sounds like the DA knows there may be reason for a diminished mental capacity defense.

and remember earlier I posted about her PD she works for cases with mental health she thinks LE does not pay enough attention to mental illness when charging people with a crime and hearing she is also at this time her PD on this case I can see why she was talking about meds and stuff..I am not sure I want to go there at this point they have no evaluation at this time one judge found her to be sane in the other case and she plead no contest IIRC so we shall see..

[tinkerbell]

I gave everyone on the other thread the heads up for this link the 2nd time just now.

What is a coder? And how come people know what it is but I've never heard of it?

"Coder", could you use it in a sentence or in the context you are asking about?

[cali650]

(KRON) -- Tracy Police officers are examining possible evidence recovered during a third search of the Clover Road Baptist Church.

KRON 4's Terisa Estacio says investigators spent about 15 minutes inside the church then left with what appeared to be evidence envelopes.
http://www.kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1041/reftab/36/t/Investigators-Return-to-Clover-Lane-Baptist-Church-to-Serve-Third-Search-Warrant/Default.aspx

(objects used in sex abuse?)

[aproudmom]

Yes I think LE might put out that info so as not to spook others who might be involved.

Could be if so I sure hope they are watching others

[Adalena935]

I just watched the video on KCRA again: http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

The DA said that her petty theft case in the Tracy area was being handled by the "Mental Health Court and obviously any mental issues would have an effect on this case." It sounds like the DA knows there may be reason for a diminished mental capacity defense.

Media hype. They know she's already got a case of petty theft pending that she's been ruled mentally competent in. They're playing it up for sensationalism. They have air time to sell to their sponsors. Can't let those ratings get too low. They can have a look at the public court records the same as anyone else with net access.

News stories have talked about her upcoming hearing. It's to determine if she's to goto certain mental health appts. as a condition of her probation. My paraphrase.

..for her theft charges. April 17th I believe it's been said her court date is for that.

Wishful thinking on her family's part too probably. They've been throwing that troll out there to the media.

She was evaluated and ruled competent already anyway. I think it's in the link I posted above. That's along article and has the most info of any I've seen so far regarding her past criminal offenses.

[cali650]

I think her lawyers will use the insanity defense if they're able to. I think her parents will hire lawyers for her eventually. I don't think the insanity defense will fly for a minute. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was involved in this with her in some way, shape or form.

It seems reasonable she may have been selling child porn on the net or attenpting to produce it for sale. Maybe something on that might turn up later, but be a dif crime in a dif capacity & dif jurisdiction.

All these children that go missing nationwide you can bet this is what becomes of a lot of them and no one ever knows the truth about it. I'd bet there's more women involved than anybody could've guessed.

Few yrs ago FBI + International law enforcement agencies broke up an International child porn ring. Amongst the criminals were grandparents producing and selling filthy DVD's of their own grandchildren. After reading that nothing would surprise me. It is so unbelievable, but tragically it's a real cancer in our society. People making money their god.

With the economy getting so tight & layoffs, expect more of it. Hate to say it but I bet it will occur with more frequency.

If it's true she did this, you can bet producing it for the black market isn't far from her mind if she haden't thought of it already.


It does not appear as though the family has access to the kind of funds that would pay a lawyer that would be better than a PD.

(What kind of conference for ministers/pastors occurs on Easter weekend, arguably the busiest Sunday of the year for those of the cloth. I think the folks stretch it a bit as well.)

[aproudmom]

(objects used in sex abuse?)

15 minutes is not long figured they must have knew what they were looking for..:confused:

[Adalena935]

Could be if so I sure hope they are watching others

Well I don't know, it's just that you asked me if I thought LE might do that and I think they might. It's legal for them to lie to suspects and that would fit. But who knows. Maybe there really isn't any other suspects. Time will tell.

[lune3]

I just watched the video on KCRA again: http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

The DA said that her petty theft case in the Tracy area was being handled by the "Mental Health Court and obviously any mental issues would have an effect on this case." It sounds like the DA knows there may be reason for a diminished mental capacity defense.

This psych evaluation she had after the petty theft is curious, it's unusual and not standard.

What exactly did she steal? Maybe there's some hint there.

[cali650]

15 minutes is not long figured they must have knew what they were looking for..:confused:

maybe part of the confession, or ongoing gab from the defendant, and/OR clue in the suitcase.

[aproudmom]

It does not appear as though the family has access to the kind of funds that would pay a lawyer that would be better than a PD.

(What kind of conference for ministers/pastors occurs on Easter weekend, arguably the busiest Sunday of the year for those of the cloth. I think the folks stretch it a bit as well.)

never know their church goes may pitch in to help pay for one..if they think she is not guilty...look at tot moms dream team and she has nothing..so don't be so sure a lawyer does not come into this for other reasons..jmo

[tinkerbell]

Media hype. They know she's already got a case of petty theft pending that she's been ruled mentally competent in. They're playing it up for sensationalism. They have air time to sell to their sponsors. Can't let those ratings get too low. They can have a look at the public court records the same as anyone else with net access.

News stories have talked about her upcoming hearing. It's to determine if she's to goto certain mental health appts. as a condition of her probation. My paraphrase.

..for her theft charges. April 17th I believe it's been said her court date is for that.

Wishful thinking on her family's part too probably. They've been throwing that troll out there to the media.

She was evaluated and ruled competent already anyway. I think it's in the link I posted above. That's along article and has the most info of any I've seen so far regarding her past criminal offenses.

Would a condition such as OCD fall under "Mental Health"? IMHO, it could; if so, MH could also have been ruled competent.?

moo

[aproudmom]

maybe part of the confession, or ongoing gab from the defendant, and/OR clue in the suitcase.

I know that is why I find it odd they are reporting she says it is a accident and then all of a sudden with in hours of her appearance they are searching the church and home again.

[cali650]

I know that is why I find it odd they are reporting she says it is a accident and then all of a sudden with in hours of her appearance they are searching the church and home again.

Not so odd. One thing we know is that she is a liar! And they are picking up on her clues/coded language. Semiotics.

[oodi]

This psych evaluation she had after the petty theft is curious, it's unusual and not standard.

What exactly did she steal? Maybe there's some hint there.

She graduated from stealing property to children... who knows.

[aproudmom]

Would a condition such as OCD fall under "Mental Health"? IMHO, it could; if so, MH could also have been ruled competent.?

moo

OCD not sure..

[Adalena935]

It does not appear as though the family has access to the kind of funds that would pay a lawyer that would be better than a PD.

(What kind of conference for ministers/pastors occurs on Easter weekend, arguably the busiest Sunday of the year for those of the cloth. I think the folks stretch it a bit as well.)

I agree on the folks stretching it a bit.

Real Estate in California, although lower than before the stock market crash, is still a good sum of money. It's not been above parents to put their real estate up for lawyers fees.

[lune3]

I know that is why I find it odd they are reporting she says it is a accident and then all of a sudden with in hours of her appearance they are searching the church and home again.

LE had searched that church top to bottom,... literally. Now suddenly they go back and take something that they most likely had seen before, I'd think, but this time it has become significant. Strange.

[tinkerbell]

OCD not sure..

I was thinking OCD regarding the shoplifting or theft from Target. I don't have the link; but, I believe she "stole" some things from Target...

[cali650]

I agree on the folks stretching it a bit.

Real Estate in California, although lower than before the stock market crash, is still a good sum of money. It's not been above parents to put their real estate up for lawyers fees.

We shall learn about the faith of the family, eh? A trailer pad in Tracy will not (for example) a Geragos buy, but we'll see. No one knows what will happen with her defense yet.

[BitterSweet]

In response to the person who was asking why we were discussing Sandra's hair color......

I believe that there were questions as to why Sandra's hair looked black in color in one (or more) photo(s) and is very light colored in the one that was on the "Missing" posters.

Some posters (myself included) mentioned that lighting as photos are taken in different places/times may affect its appearance.

Ectera.....

Thank you!
BitterSweet

[cali650]

I was thinking OCD regarding the shoplifting or theft from Target. I don't have the link; but, I believe she "stole" some things from Target...

Interesting. Sometimes OCD is a line of first defense in porn as it happens, but it doesn't work. The therapy in connection with shop-lifting is a possibility. Good one.

[aproudmom]

O/T
OK was looking at police log and seen this maybe MH is a schizophrenic ...my gosh voices telling her to kill herself that would be grounds for a insanity defense imo

7:43 a.m.: A woman on Camelot Drive reported that her schizophrenic daughter had just taken four bottles of pills, and that the daughter told her she heard voices telling her to kill herself. Paramedics treated the girl.

[meadowlark]

Thanks for the link
so does some think she is being set up or hiding or covering up for others..or what??do you think they would say no more arrest just not to alert others? this whole thing gets crazier by the day imo nothing is out of the question imo


yes I believe they would say they are looking at no others so as not to alert anyone. I think Melissa is the one who keeps on saying things that keep people alerted. And I think she is doing it on purpose. I hope she keeps it up.

I have not made up my mind just how guilty Melissa is of "what exactly", but she certainly has ties to people who are guilty of these charges and she certainly knew what was going on. To what extent she participated in which charges, I am not sure yet. But she knew all about it. She basically was saying so from day one. And I do have to agree with her, if someone had have listened to her they would have found sandra sooner, but I don't think they understood her or something. Or, where she thought the body was it was not there yet?

but she knew where it was going to be. Its possible sandra was moved.

[KuRIouS]

I'm sure one of you will be able to answer this right off and that would be so much easier than me searching for it again.

When did MH's daughter and mother leave on the "planned" vacation?

Melissa was gone only an hour, I just read on the other thread (yes, I'm a little ways behind).

My first thought when I first saw the pic of Sandra where her hair looks so dark was that she looks way more "mature" than her age.

Somewhere in one of the threads I read something of "possible OLD vaginal wounds" (not the exact words probably but same meaning).
This then made me think again of my perceived "more mature than her age."

My post isn't as organized as I'd like but I've been wondering if the two little girls were "body exploring" (for lack of a better term) together, as children sometimes do, and that's when the "accident" occurred and MH is covering for her daughter...?

Just a thought, as I'm not as knowledgeable on the case as the rest of you are. I've watched NG every night since the Anthony case began and I watch the bits of news on the same channel, but I've only been reading Sandra's case here since yesterday and therefore have only gotten through Monday and Tuesday's (almost finished) threads.

On another note, I was very blonde when I was little and 2nd grade is when my hair began to darken, and also when we/mother began coloring it to keep it blonde. Although, that ended long ago.

[oodi]

We shall learn about the faith of the family, eh? A trailer pad in Tracy will not (for example) a Geragos buy, but we'll see. No one knows what will happen with her defense yet.

MH's father and uncle referred to "their ministries." I wonder how many churches that encompasses. They may also own the property that the church in question is on.

[aproudmom]

I was thinking OCD regarding the shoplifting or theft from Target. I don't have the link; but, I believe she "stole" some things from Target...

here it goes in to her past
http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

[Adalena935]

Would a condition such as OCD fall under "Mental Health"? IMHO, it could; if so, MH could also have been ruled competent.? moo

It think it would take the mental health professionals that examined her to diagnose her and know that. The flu for ex; is common. Sometimes it lasts 3 days, or 24 hrs. Many people die of it too though. For legal purposes I don't think she'll be ruled incompetent to stand trial. Fact that she planned, executed the crimes by ferrying the child away after having lured her (video where sandra got distracted in direction of MH's house) and then hid the body in a suitcase & put her in cow poop with chemicals dumped in it to break up the animal feces. shows a pretty well thought out PLAN to carry out this crime and NOT GET CAUGHT.

She knew what she did was wrong and she knew it before she started out, otherwise she wouldn't have hid every aspect of it as she did. The criteria for mentally incompetent is to not understand what you did was wrong. She dosen't fit that based on what we know and she won't ever. Defense lawyers will try and fail I believe. Here's some stuff about personality disorders.

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/center_index.php?id=8

[meadowlark]

I gave everyone on the other thread the heads up for this link the 2nd time just now.

What is a coder? And how come people know what it is but I've never heard of it?


a coder is someone who speaks in code/cryptics. they will tell you exactly what is going on but only they do it with some type of coded message. Many killers will do this. But then there are some who do it in very much the same coding styles. They use the same cryptic rules. If you understand what they are doing and can "read" it, you understand what they are saying.

[cali650]

MH's father and uncle referred to "their ministries." I wonder how many churches that encompasses. They may also own the property that the church in question is on.

Maybe. But they strike me as losers.

[oodi]

I'm sure one of you will be able to answer this right off and that would be so much easier than me searching for it again.

When did MH's daughter and mother leave on the "planned" vacation?

Melissa was gone only an hour, I just read on the other thread (yes, I'm a little ways behind).

My first thought when I first saw the pic of Sandra where her hair looks so dark was that she looks way more "mature" than her age.

Somewhere in one of the threads I read something of "possible OLD vaginal wounds" (not the exact words probably but same meaning).
This then made me think again of my perceived "more mature than her age."

My post isn't as organized as I'd like but I've been wondering if the two little girls were "body exploring" (for lack of a better term) together, as children sometimes do, and that's when the "accident" occurred and MH is covering for her daughter...?

Just a thought, as I'm not as knowledgeable on the case as the rest of you are. I've watched NG every night since the Anthony case began and I watch the bits of news on the same channel, but I've only been reading Sandra's case here since yesterday and therefore have only gotten through Monday and Tuesday's (almost finished) threads.

On another note, I was very blonde when I was little and 2nd grade is when my hair began to darken, and also when we/mother began coloring it to keep it blonde. Although, that ended long ago.

MH's mother and daughter left the day after Sandra went missing.

Your theory on "body exploring" is interesting. I had wondered about something similar myself. For example: MH caught them in the act, and thought Sandra was leading her daughter astray (especially considering the religious background), and would teach Sandra a "lesson" about the birds and bees.

[Adalena935]

Her father cited she was depressed over divorce. not uncommon. her father cited her whining around about not being able to find a job. not uncommon. One news story said she had trouble keeping a job. big whop. There's plenty of people with that problem. It's called too lazy to work cuz stealin's easier, in her case I think.

[meadowlark]

It does not appear as though the family has access to the kind of funds that would pay a lawyer that would be better than a PD.

(What kind of conference for ministers/pastors occurs on Easter weekend, arguably the busiest Sunday of the year for those of the cloth. I think the folks stretch it a bit as well.)

well I guess it might depend on your "faith" what kind of "conference" you might attend on Easter.

[Anakerie]

I'm watching CBS13 news right now... They're saying that Melissa had given 4 different stories when they talked to her the night they arrested her.

They're also saying she's back on suicide watch.

They're asking for anyone who's children might have had "inappropriate" contact with Melissa to call the investigators in Tracy...

Her family has stopped talking to the media apparently.. They showed them brushing past the reporters without saying anything..

Now talking about the memorial on Thursday...

[KuRIouS]

MH's mother and daughter left the day after Sandra went missing.

Your theory on "body exploring" is interesting. I had wondered about something similar myself. For example: MH caught them in the act, and thought Sandra was leading her daughter astray (especially considering the religious background), and would teach Sandra a "lesson" about the birds and bees.

Thanks! and thanks for going easy on me...I was very nervous to post that. I did read where someone (you maybe) had posted along those "teach her a lesson lines."

And I realize this doesn't really fit into the church searches etc, but still can't help but wonder...

[meadowlark]

15 minutes is not long figured they must have knew what they were looking for..:confused:


they had to know what they are looking for. they have to list in on the search warrant application. They have been there too many times already to get a blanket search warrant. They have to have NEW information for specific items to go back in there.

[oodi]

Thanks! and thanks for going easy on me...I was very nervous to post that.


I was too... which is why I waited for you to post it first! LOL

[Ice Cycle]

Thank you!
BitterSweet

Yes I posted about this to about a hour ago about the possibly of it being sun lightened and no it is not a big deal though some seem to think so. Here is the link from ABC when she went missing.

Last seen wearing a Hello Kitty shirt and black leggings, Sandra has long, light brown hair with golden highlights from spending a lot of time out in the sun, her family said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7210841&page=1

[KuRIouS]

I was too... which is why I waited for you to post it first! LOL

LOL. I edited to add a little to my other post....

[tinkerbell]

It think it would take the mental health professionals that examined her to diagnose her and know that. The flu for ex; is common. Sometimes it lasts 3 days, or 24 hrs. Many people die of it too though. For legal purposes I don't think she'll be ruled incompetent to stand trial. Fact that she planned, executed the crimes by ferrying the child away after having lured her (video where sandra got distracted in direction of MH's house) and then hid the body in a suitcase & put her in cow poop with chemicals dumped in it to break up the animal feces. shows a pretty well thought out PLAN to carry out this crime and NOT GET CAUGHT.

She knew what she did was wrong and she knew it before she started out, otherwise she wouldn't have hid every aspect of it as she did. The criteria for mentally incompetent is to not understand what you did was wrong. She dosen't fit that based on what we know and she won't ever. Defense lawyers will try and fail I believe. Here's some stuff about personality disorders.

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/center_index.php?id=8

OCD= Obsessive Compulsive Disorder; can be associated with people who shoplift. I agree, professionals are the ones to make that particular diagnosis. My question was (and could have been better worded/punctuated) if a diagnosis of OCD could fall under the category of "Mental" illness, with respect to MH's previous court case?

I also believe that MH's actions to "cover up" the crime speak to consciousness of guilt.

Doesn't an insanity defense rely on the defendant's state of mind at the time of the crime? It seems that MH clearly knew what she did was wrong; and that is why she tried to cover up her crime.

moo

[oodi]

Kurious,

It DOES fit into the church searches, as apparently, that is where LE thinks she was killed.

I think "our" theory may make the most sense based on what is known.

[KuRIouS]

Kurious,

It DOES fit into the church searches, as apparently, that is where LE thinks she was killed.

I think "our" theory may make the most sense based on what is known.

I guess I just meant "doesn't fit" if MH's daughter was at home, but I'm not sure where she was.

[aproudmom]

Night everyone have a wonderful Evening/Morning going to check out some other threads before it is to late..thanks for everyone's wonderful post even if I may not agree with some..lol..

I hope to see JUSTICE in this horrible crime and at this point we have so little to go on so we are all just wondering why and how and it is so hard to imagine a women would do this to a child..may she rest in peace and her family get some comfort at some point I am sure they never turn a TV on I could not imagine he pain..

RIP Sweet Sandra
:wub:

[KuRIouS]

I guess I just meant "doesn't fit" if MH's daughter was at home, but I'm not sure where she was.

And maybe, just maybe, that could also account for the attitudes of MH's grandparents???

[lune3]

This is an interesting article too, describing what an anomaly this murder is.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12135576

[oodi]

I guess I just meant "doesn't fit" if MH's daughter was at home, but I'm not sure where she was.

I don't think it is known for sure where she was at the time Sandra went missing. MH's mother didn't pick her daughter up until the next day. According to MH, Sandra came over to play with her daughter, but MH told Sandra that her daughter had to do chores. In reality, the girls may have been playing together and then the body exploring and then MH decides to take Sandra to the church to teach her a lesson, and it goes too far. Makes sense to me.

[lune3]

I don't think it is known for sure where she was at the time Sandra went missing. MH's mother didn't pick her daughter up until the next day. According to MH, Sandra came over to play with her daughter, but MH told Sandra that her daughter had to do chores. In reality, the girls may have been playing together and then the body exploring and then MH decides to take Sandra to the church to teach her a lesson, and it goes too far. Makes sense to me.

The grandma was home though. I don't think she would have hidden the fact Sandra was there that day. However, this could have happened before,... and when MH saw Sandra on the street, went out (or was already outside) and lured her to the church.

[KuRIouS]

I don't think it is known for sure where she was at the time Sandra went missing. MH's mother didn't pick her daughter up until the next day. According to MH, Sandra came over to play with her daughter, but MH told Sandra that her daughter had to do chores. In reality, the girls may have been playing together and then the body exploring and then MH decides to take Sandra to the church to teach her a lesson, and it goes too far. Makes sense to me.

I also meant to say in addition to "maybe she is covering for her daughter" that she started talking, writing notes, coding etc. because of the guilt of hiding the body weighing heavily on her.....I don't know.

[oodi]

The grandma was home though. I don't think she would have hidden the fact Sandra was there that day. However, this could have happened before,... and when MH saw Sandra on the street, went out (or was already outside) and lured her to the church.

Ok... I was thinking that grandma was gone for a period of time. But as you said, it could have happened at some point, and MH chose that time to exact her punishment.

[KuRIouS]

The grandma was home though. I don't think she would have hidden the fact Sandra was there that day. However, this could have happened before,... and when MH saw Sandra on the street, went out (or was already outside) and lured her to the church.

I was thinking, along with this theory, that a coverup for the little girl might be why MH's grandparents seem kind of hostile...? (so as not to give anything away?)

And i did read that the grandmother said "abuse" before it was known...did she "slip"...and use the word to point in another direction?

[oodi]

I also meant to say in addition to "maybe she is covering for her daughter" that she started talking, writing notes, coding etc. because of the guilt of hiding the body weighing heavily on her.....I don't know.


You mean that maybe MH is covering for her own daughter? Like MH didn't want it known that her daughter was involved in the body exploring?

[doctor_J]

OCD not sure..
Definitely OCD and kleptomania. I think she claimed she stole because of depression due to the divorce and financial problems, not to mention the stress of the preacher's daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock then marrying an alcoholic loser. This girl didn't go the grandma's to help take care of them.

[KuRIouS]

You mean that maybe MH is covering for her own daughter? Like MH didn't want it known that her daughter was involved in the body exploring?

I was thinking with the body exploring, maybe an object was pushed too hard causing internal bleeding/death and THAT is what MH is covering....that her daughter accidently killed Sandra.

[oodi]

I was thinking, along with this theory, that a coverup for the little girl might be why MH's grandparents seem kind of hostile...? (so as not to give anything away?)

And i did read that the grandmother said "abuse" before it was known...did she "slip"...and use the word to point in another direction?

As for the hostility... I dunno. If I was being contantly hounded by media, I might get hostile too. But as far as grandma's "abuse" comment. I'm not sure if that was an assumption she made, because of the likliehood that that is what happened, or if she really did know something. Or maybe, if the body exploring took place at an earlier time, and grandma knew about it, maybe grandma thought that Sandra had been abused, and that is why she was doing it... Sandra was repeating what was done to her. All speculation as far as grandma goes. Only she knows why she said that.

[KuRIouS]

I was thinking with the body exploring, maybe an object was pushed too hard causing internal bleeding/death and THAT is what MH is covering....that her daughter accidently killed Sandra.

Maybe this all happened at the house with the grandmother unaware and MH removed Sandra with the suitcase, saying it held decorations for the church..then took Sandra to the church to see if she could revive or something and that would explain DNA at the church?? Then Sandra died at the church or MH realized she was dead and disposed of the body..

[juliekan]

I apologize, was watching a congressional hearing on another topic I follow from 1pm-8pm today. What does the "coding" mean that I keep hearing in reference to MH? TIA

[KuRIouS]

As for the hostility... I dunno. If I was being contantly hounded by media, I might get hostile too. But as far as grandma's "abuse" comment. I'm not sure if that was an assumption she made, because of the likliehood that that is what happened, or if she really did know something. Or maybe, if the body exploring took place at an earlier time, and grandma knew about it, maybe grandma thought that Sandra had been abused, and that is why she was doing it... Sandra was repeating what was done to her. All speculation as far as grandma goes. Only she knows why she said that.

You're right. And as for the hostility, I should have said "perceived hostility" as that isn't MY opinion of their demeanor. I just read others discussing that "hostility"....I don't blame the grandparents for any hostility they MAY be showing.

[oodi]

I was thinking with the body exploring, maybe an object was pushed too hard causing internal bleeding/death and THAT is what MH is covering....that her daughter accidently killed Sandra.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... ok... I see what you are thinking. I don't think it happened that way. I may be totally wrong, but I just don't see it.

[boomer]

This case makes me nauseous on many levels. I can't even stand to read about it.
Who can you trust? This woman is obviously mentally ill but nobody knew it. The crime she committed is too much for me to even think about.
yucky yucky yucky

[oodi]

I apologize, was watching a congressional hearing on another topic I follow from 1pm-8pm today. What does the "coding" mean that I keep hearing in reference to MH? TIA


Sex offenders use code to communicate, so nobody else knows what they are talking about. It's like their own language.

[oodi]

It's late... I'm going to watch the late news and hit the hay.

Nite all!!!

[lune3]

I apologize, was watching a congressional hearing on another topic I follow from 1pm-8pm today. What does the "coding" mean that I keep hearing in reference to MH? TIA

I believe it refers to all the bizarre clues that MH was presenting, and that there's speculation that words/notes/actions etc have some kind of meaning or message, either to LE or to other individuals that could be involved. Like codes. I'm not entirely sure.

[KuRIouS]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... ok... I see what you are thinking. I don't think it happened that way. I may be totally wrong, but I just don't see it.

And most likely you are right again. I knew of two children being caught poking each other's privates with plastic darts....it could have been any instrument from the toy box....

Just wanted to see if that theory would fly at all......going to shut up now.

[meadowlark]

Sex offenders use code to communicate, so nobody else knows what they are talking about. It's like their own language.

the code I am seeing is a code some serial killers use

[tinkerbell]

the code I am seeing is a code some serial killers use

Please, elaborate...

[lune3]

the code I am seeing is a code some serial killers use

It would be interesting to know what kind of reading material MH had, or what she may have researched on the internet (including blogs such as this one)

[BitterSweet]

the code I am seeing is a code some serial killers use

Code?
Verbal or non verbal?
I appreciate your insight, and hope you expand on what you are "seeing".

BitterSweet

[KuRIouS]

Code?
Verbal or non verbal?
I appreciate your insight, and hope you expand on what you are "seeing".

BitterSweet


I'm not sure, but maybe what they mean by "coding" is stuff like the text message sent to Sandra's mother, and the note she herself supposedly "found" and some comments/hints she's made/given......??
That's how *I* took the reference to "coding."

[lune3]

the code I am seeing is a code some serial killers use

Well I have to admit that the bizarre note has been on my mind. I don't know what to make of it and why LE is not disclosing the other two words.

Code? Do you mean for example ....Reference of Whitehall ...to England...to Jack the Ripper? as though these words have cryptic connotations or meanings?

[omsk99]

~snip

"Also on Tuesday, TV station KCRA 3 reported on its Web site that investigators close to the case said Huckaby admitted that Sandra Cantu's death was an accident.

Investigators also told KCRA 3 that Huckaby said she wrote the note that she had originally said she found the day after Cantu's March 27 disappearance.

Investigators told KCRA 3 that, according to Huckaby, the note read, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water" and also contained street names, including "Whitehall." The word "suitcase" was misspelled."

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12140349?source=most_viewed

[meadowlark]

It would be interesting to know what kind of reading material MH had, or what she may have researched on the internet (including blogs such as this one)


yes it would be very intersting to see if she has been on certain crime forums or has certain books or if she has studied up on certain crime cases. Or, did someone teach her this coding? Or is she dabbling with it? Time will tell if she is dabbling. But for a "dabbler" she is certainly doing a pretty good job. And who can dabble unless they learned the basics somewhere. Her locations are "right on the money" These are not random. She has learned this stuff somewhere. She's young, but she knows. My guess she has a teacher or someone is using her for their messenger. She did not think this stuff up out of nowhere.

[meadowlark]

Well I have to admit that the bizarre note has been on my mind. I don't know what to make of it and why LE is not disclosing the other two words.

Code? Do you mean for example ....Reference of Whitehall ...to England...to Jack the Ripper? as though these words have cryptic connotations or meanings?

that might be what she was "matching". whitehall is a street in westminster and westminster is where here family lived. that would all be personal to HER, if she wanted someone to guess her identity.

so that might be just personal things to her. it is hard to say.

but what whitehall is, is right there at the tom paine slough. now if she chose that place for that reason then we have something else going on here.

we really need the other street name and we need to know how suitcase is misspelled to determine why she chose whitehall. if it is the tom paine reason then I say she is part of a group

[meadowlark]

Code?
Verbal or non verbal?
I appreciate your insight, and hope you expand on what you are "seeing".

BitterSweet

they are both verbal and nonverbal and they are also matching locations etc.

[lune3]

yes it would be very intersting to see if she has been on certain crime forums or has certain books or if she has studied up on certain crime cases. Or, did someone teach her this coding? Or is she dabbling with it? Time will tell if she is dabbling. But for a "dabbler" she is certainly doing a pretty good job. And who can dabble unless they learned the basics somewhere. Her locations are "right on the money" These are not random. She has learned this stuff somewhere. She's young, but she knows. My guess she has a teacher or someone is using her for their messenger. She did not think this stuff up out of nowhere.

If this is so though, she did get herself caught through precisely these "codes". That one particular note was a clincher.

[meadowlark]

I'm not sure, but maybe what they mean by "coding" is stuff like the text message sent to Sandra's mother, and the note she herself supposedly "found" and some comments/hints she's made/given......??
That's how *I* took the reference to "coding."

basically that is what it is, a bit more complicated though, actually, a lot more complicated, but she is definitely coding, it is just to what extent now. I've seen enough to convince me she could be part of a group who does this because she certainly is matching the pattern they use. You can't just make this stuff up off the top of your head and make it FIT the pattern. You have to know what it is all about.
my personal opinion is she knows, or someone is using her for their messenger. either way she knew what was going on and what happened. And she has been coding out the clues. Whether or not the police picked up on this I don't know, I assume they did, it would seem as though they did by what they were doing. I certainly picked up on it right off so I can't for the life of me see why the feds didn't.

[lune3]

basically that is what it is, a bit more complicated though, actually, a lot more complicated, but she is definitely coding, it is just to what extent now. I've seen enough to convince me she could be part of a group who does this because she certainly is matching the pattern they use. You can't just make this stuff up off the top of your head and make it FIT the pattern. You have to know what it is all about.
my personal opinion is she knows, or someone is using her for their messenger. either way she knew what was going on and what happened. And she has been coding out the clues. Whether or not the police picked up on this I don't know, I assume they did, it would seem as though they did by what they were doing. I certainly picked up on it right off so I can't for the life of me see why the feds didn't.

you mean a group of serial killers who are coding to each other that they killed? Matching as in matching a previous killer's code? and hence a continuous pattern? Or as a messenger in that she's sending codes to inform the group a kill has been made? That she killed Sandra because she wants in on this "elite" group, and she's coding her identity? my god, like an initiation?
Sounds like a horror novel.

[meadowlark]

If this is so though, she did get herself caught through precisely these "codes". That one particular note was a clincher.

well yes she did. She got herself caught by talking. they should have had her a long time before that if they were paying attention. I kept thinking they were paying attention and communicating back through the press releases. But I could not understand why they were not finding these things. or maybe they did and just waited for her to get impatient and start blabbing.

I think this is far from over. There will be more to come.

[aproudmom]

Well as I see she is not to stupid if she got college and worked for a billing company for Mental Health Practitioners her friends said she had emailed her and said she did not like the job so she quit very early on from what she knew...the sad thing is some of these people could have had very nice life's and they throw it all away...jmo

By May 2005, Melissa found a full-time job at Associated Therapists, a Huntington Beach firm that provides administrative assistance to Southern California mental health practitioners. Melissa — who attended Bryman College, a Southern California vocational college — made $1,430 a month working in the medical billing division, while taking in $237 in food stamps.

[aproudmom]

you mean a group of serial killers who are coding to each other that they killed? Matching as in matching a previous killer's code? and hence a continuous pattern? Or as a messenger in that she's sending codes to inform the group a kill has been made? That she killed Sandra because she wants in on this "elite" group, and she's coding her identity? my god, like an initiation?
Sounds like a horror novel.

10-4 good buddy:wink:

[meadowlark]

you mean a group of serial killers who are coding to each other that they killed? Matching as in matching a previous killer's code? and hence a continuous pattern? Or as a messenger in that she's sending codes to inform the group a kill has been made? That she killed Sandra because she wants in on this "elite" group, and she's coding her identity? my god, like an initiation?
Sounds like a horror novel.

they are a group yes. They all understand this coding. they use it to communicate and also to communicate to the police. What they do, how they do it, locations chosen, dates, how they kill, where bodies are found, when they are found etc. its been going on for years.

I don't know how Melissa fits into this. I am not sure if she is copying them or what, but she learned this from somewhere. She either has ties to this group or somehow she has learned what they do. Or someone used her to send out clues.

[aproudmom]

well yes she did. She got herself caught by talking. they should have had her a long time before that if they were paying attention. I kept thinking they were paying attention and communicating back through the press releases. But I could not understand why they were not finding these things. or maybe they did and just waited for her to get impatient and start blabbing.

I think this is far from over. There will be more to come.

Meadow I am not so sure it is some code but I appreciate you opinion this girl is not as stupid and insane as some would like to think..I am not sure what happened I pray no other child is being harmed if what your saying is true I know just what your saying I really do and I still can not shake one person but darn they keep saying no more arrest in this case..Now they have not said in another case..so I am not sure something is not going on in Tracy..just pray for all those kids if so..

[lune3]

10-4 good buddy:wink:

lol aproudmom what does 10-4 mean? more coding? I'm thoroughly :confused: lol

[meadowlark]

Well as I see she is not to stupid if she got college and worked for a billing company for Mental Health Practitioners her friends said she had emailed her and said she did not like the job so she quit very early on from what she knew...the sad thing is some of these people could have had very nice life's and they throw it all away...jmo

By May 2005, Melissa found a full-time job at Associated Therapists, a Huntington Beach firm that provides administrative assistance to Southern California mental health practitioners. Melissa — who attended Bryman College, a Southern California vocational college — made $1,430 a month working in the medical billing division, while taking in $237 in food stamps.

and tell me she can't spell suitcase LOL and if it is nothing why do the police not release how it was spelled? or the name of the other street.

I have a list of things we thought would surface. this was early on a few days after the case started, you would be supprised at how much has surfaced that is on that list. It is that predictable. When that much can be predicted and turn out to be right, then most likely more on the list is right also. I just sit and wait for this stuff to surface. And it just keeps doing it. So personally, I believe she has ties to a group. like I said, either she is a direct part of the group, or she understands the group and is copying what they would do and say, or someone is using her for their messenger service.

[omsk99]

~snip

"Sources close to FOX40 say, those reports are not true. Police have yet to officially confirm that such a note exists. FOX40's Jamie Soriano spoke to Huckaby on the phone hours before her arrest Friday night when she said her suitcase was stolen the very same day Sandra disappeared. But when pressed about the note, she abruptly ended the conversation and refused to comment any further."

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Search-Church-Huckabys-Home=1&blockID=266491&feedID=190

[KuRIouS]

you mean a group of serial killers who are coding to each other that they killed? Matching as in matching a previous killer's code? and hence a continuous pattern? Or as a messenger in that she's sending codes to inform the group a kill has been made? That she killed Sandra because she wants in on this "elite" group, and she's coding her identity? my god, like an initiation?
Sounds like a horror novel.[\quote]


[QUOTE=aproudmom;13008620]10-4 good buddy:wink:

OMG. I misunderstood then! I thought it meant "vague communications of hints etc" from the killer to the media, victim's family and LE---like BTK did and the Zodiac? killer.

Can't wait to find out if the group thing is part of it. I wasn't reading too much into the group thing until now. wow.

[lune3]

Meadow I am not so sure it is some code but I appreciate you opinion this girl is not as stupid and insane as some would like to think..I am not sure what happened I pray no other child is being harmed if what your saying is true I know just what your saying I really do and I still can not shake one person but darn they keep saying no more arrest in this case..Now they have not said in another case..so I am not sure something is not going on in Tracy..just pray for all those kids if so..

Well Sheneman did say "not in this case", which made me sit up.

[KuRIouS]

lol aproudmom what does 10-4 mean? more coding? I'm thoroughly :confused: lol

*giggle* but I'll let aproudmom answer.

[KuRIouS]

maybe aproudmom is busy for a minute..

10-4 means "affirmative" or "yes" in CB lingo.

CB= those radios truckers use to communicate with one another.


ETA: I'm going 10-100 for a minute. BRB. hehe.

[tajat2002]

Hello all. Noticed a few things reading this thread. Sandra's aunt had dyed her hair earlier in the month (for her birthday).. thus the lighter hair. The lighter hair is the current color. Despite reports.. it is not from the sun. Whitehall is the street the irrigation pond the body was found in is on. Another post from a while ago mentioned the time frame as far as ability to commit the crime and dump the body in that amount of time. I live about two minutes from the trailer park. The church to the irrigation pond is about 5 minutes away. Isn't as far as it looks in the map. It is an area where no one really goes. Just farmland. I missed the turn to the freeway once and went in that direction... scary at night.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sandra-cantu-case/ci_12085628?nclick_check=1

[KuRIouS]

~snip~
http://www.contracostatimes.com/sandra-cantu-case/ci_12085628?nclick_check=1


The link says "address not found" :sad:

[meadowlark]

Meadow I am not so sure it is some code but I appreciate you opinion this girl is not as stupid and insane as some would like to think..I am not sure what happened I pray no other child is being harmed if what your saying is true I know just what your saying I really do and I still can not shake one person but darn they keep saying no more arrest in this case..Now they have not said in another case..so I am not sure something is not going on in Tracy..just pray for all those kids if so..

I completely understand that someone does not agree and normally I do not even bother to bring it up, but I really did not even know how to ignore the question LOL.. I tried but to not answer made it more bizarre LOL. I really hope that one day they do figure this mess out and chop down the tree. It's not only children. It is a lot of missing people. A lot of unsolved murders.

I do hope people pay attention. There was a time I laughed when someone suggested this to me. I thought they were nuts... Till I started watching it myself and studying all the patterns and all the cases. Now I am a true believer. Once you grasp ahold of it, it is obvious, but getting someone to believe you is another story. And I don't blame anyone for not believing it until they see it, it's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. I am hoping this totally bizarre case might get people to seeing that there is something more going on that what people realize normally happens.

people thought this could not be a woman. they can't imagine a woman could commit this kind of crime. And it is just as hard to believe there is a group of killers out there running the show, but there is.
And this area is one of their main stomping grounds, always has been and will be.

I just wish people would start paying attention and get this stopped. Can't stop these people if no one believes they exist. That is what keeps them free to do it again and again.

so- just watch is all I can say.

[meadowlark]

~snip

"Sources close to FOX40 say, those reports are not true. Police have yet to officially confirm that such a note exists. FOX40's Jamie Soriano spoke to Huckaby on the phone hours before her arrest Friday night when she said her suitcase was stolen the very same day Sandra disappeared. But when pressed about the note, she abruptly ended the conversation and refused to comment any further."

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Police-Search-Church-Huckabys-Home=1&blockID=266491&feedID=190

how very intersting ---here we go with the HUSH UP. Grrrr

[KuRIouS]

~snip~

so- just watch is all I can say.

You've certainly piqued my interest!

[aproudmom]

But in November 2008, Melissa was in court again on a charge of petty theft from a Target store. She pleaded no contest to two counts of petty theft, one of the counts filed because of her prior case in Southern California.

According to San Joaquin County Superior Court records, she was evaluated by the San Joaquin County Mental Health clinic and found competent to stand trial, but she was told that if she completed a one-year treatment program under Proposition 63, the 2004 Mental Health Services Act, she would be allowed to withdraw her plea.



What is Prop. 63?
This initiative would enact a new law to increase funding for mental health services to individuals who are not eligible for treatment through federally sponsored programs or their own health insurance plans.The additional revenue generated would be used exclusively to develop and expand integrated mental health services for children, adults, and seniors, including prevention, early intervention, education, and training programs.

ok to me this does not mean she has any problems we have heard her family say she had depression not one time did they say bi-polar, scitsofrentic, psychopath, how ever you spell those but imo if she was so mental she had no business being around her child or others and her family seemed to think that was fine..it is very easy to go into court and say I cant get child support My divorce was horrible and I did not understand I was doing wrong I was trying to make it being a single mom with no help, they can not deny you a evaluation to me it sounds as if she got some help for her hard past few years then they would not make her spend time in the slammer. I am just giving my look into it I don't know her medical problems other than ulcers, but just cause they were trying to help her out does not mean she is a nut-so..imo we have all had hard times a lot of single mom with no child support and a horrible nasty divorce..I know I am owed for 18yrs of support..does not mean I would steal or kill or commit any crime..all jmo I may be wrong

[meadowlark]

[QUOTE= Originally Posted by lune3]
you mean a group of serial killers who are coding to each other that they killed? Matching as in matching a previous killer's code? and hence a continuous pattern? Or as a messenger in that she's sending codes to inform the group a kill has been made? That she killed Sandra because she wants in on this "elite" group, and she's coding her identity? my god, like an initiation?
Sounds like a horror novel.[\quote]






OMG. I misunderstood then! I thought it meant "vague communications of hints etc" from the killer to the media, victim's family and LE---like BTK did and the Zodiac? killer.

Can't wait to find out if the group thing is part of it. I wasn't reading too much into the group thing until now. wow.

it is very much like BTK and the Zodiac. Very much so. But not like people think. its a group

[KuRIouS]

[QUOTE=KuRIouS;13008630]

it is very much like BTK and the Zodiac. Very much so. But not like people think. its a group

And she is trying more to communicate with the "group" rather than media/LE??

[aproudmom]

I completely understand that someone does not agree and normally I do not even bother to bring it up, but I really did not even know how to ignore the question LOL.. I tried but to not answer made it more bizarre LOL. I really hope that one day they do figure this mess out and chop down the tree. It's not only children. It is a lot of missing people. A lot of unsolved murders.

I do hope people pay attention. There was a time I laughed when someone suggested this to me. I thought they were nuts... Till I started watching it myself and studying all the patterns and all the cases. Now I am a true believer. Once you grasp ahold of it, it is obvious, but getting someone to believe you is another story. And I don't blame anyone for not believing it until they see it, it's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. I am hoping this totally bizarre case might get people to seeing that there is something more going on that what people realize normally happens.

people thought this could not be a woman. they can't imagine a woman could commit this kind of crime. And it is just as hard to believe there is a group of killers out there running the show, but there is.
And this area is one of their main stomping grounds, always has been and will be.

I just wish people would start paying attention and get this stopped. Can't stop these people if no one believes they exist. That is what keeps them free to do it again and again.

so- just watch is all I can say.

No dont get me wrong I do see what your saying meadow I do..I guess I for one do not want to think this is even worse than it is but I see what you have been saying all along..and I said you could very well be right..

[aproudmom]

I completely understand that someone does not agree and normally I do not even bother to bring it up, but I really did not even know how to ignore the question LOL.. I tried but to not answer made it more bizarre LOL. I really hope that one day they do figure this mess out and chop down the tree. It's not only children. It is a lot of missing people. A lot of unsolved murders.

I do hope people pay attention. There was a time I laughed when someone suggested this to me. I thought they were nuts... Till I started watching it myself and studying all the patterns and all the cases. Now I am a true believer. Once you grasp ahold of it, it is obvious, but getting someone to believe you is another story. And I don't blame anyone for not believing it until they see it, it's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. I am hoping this totally bizarre case might get people to seeing that there is something more going on that what people realize normally happens.

people thought this could not be a woman. they can't imagine a woman could commit this kind of crime. And it is just as hard to believe there is a group of killers out there running the show, but there is.
And this area is one of their main stomping grounds, always has been and will be.

I just wish people would start paying attention and get this stopped. Can't stop these people if no one believes they exist. That is what keeps them free to do it again and again.

so- just watch is all I can say.

You are from that area well then I have a question did they say they have caught some Internet porn being passed around? like 60 some people so far or am I thinking of something else..

[meadowlark]

[QUOTE=meadowlark;13008645]

And she is trying more to communicate with the "group" rather than media/LE??

I'm sure she was communicating to LE at first. I am not so sure what she is going at this point. I think she went from coding to plain out telling the police what is going on. Now the question is, is she telling the them truth or lying. Is she telling them why this or that or hiding the truth.

and why is the note suddenly bogus. we just have to keep watching.
how does a note like that suddenly not exist if is said certain things and suitcase is misspelled and they would tell us one street but not the other.

I think the big hush hush is about to hit the fan.

I know this, if she keeps coding out, I will know it. If certain things come out I will know it.

ok so now that I post about it, the note no longer exists. Well lets see what comes out in discovery and the prelim.

Maybe I better just be quiet before I am told to shut up LOL

[tajat2002]

http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

[KuRIouS]

http://www.kcra.com/video/19181739/index.html

Great! Thanks. I knew I heard that she'd *admitted* to writing the note.
And now they're denying the note exists, right?

[meadowlark]

No dont get me wrong I do see what your saying meadow I do..I guess I for one do not want to think this is even worse than it is but I see what you have been saying all along..and I said you could very well be right..

oh I know and I know you picked up on what I was saying way back there. My post wasn't directed at YOU personally, just I understand that people in general will never believe this could be going on; like I said, I didn't either. When I was first told anything about a group I thought the person telling me was a total loon. LOL

and it is much easier not to know it. but until the public realizes it or the police admit it nothing is ever going to stop it.

and is late and I will read a couple more posts then I am off to sleep

:sleep:

[KuRIouS]

[QUOTE=KuRIouS;13008646]

I'm sure she was communicating to LE at first. I am not so sure what she is going at this point. I think she went from coding to plain out telling the police what is going on. Now the question is, is she telling the them truth or lying. Is she telling them why this or that or hiding the truth.

and why is the note suddenly bogus. we just have to keep watching.
how does a note like that suddenly not exist if is said certain things and suitcase is misspelled and they would tell us one street but not the other.

I think the big hush hush is about to hit the fan.

I know this, if she keeps coding out, I will know it. If certain things come out I will know it.

ok so now that I post about it, the note no longer exists. Well lets see what comes out in discovery and the prelim.

Maybe I better just be quiet before I am told to shut up LOL


Nooo don't shut up now! It's very interesting.

[meadowlark]

Great! Thanks. I knew I heard that she'd *admitted* to writing the note.
And now they're denying the note exists, right?

oh I think you got that perfectly correct!

[KuRIouS]

oh I think you got that perfectly correct!

That is messed UP! Like a soup sandwich!

[meadowlark]

I'm falling asleep nite all:sleep:

[aproudmom]

oh I know and I know you picked up on what I was saying way back there. My post wasn't directed at YOU personally, just I understand that people in general will never believe this could be going on; like I said, I didn't either. When I was first told anything about a group I thought the person telling me was a total loon. LOL

and it is much easier not to know it. but until the public realizes it or the police admit it nothing is ever going to stop it.

and is late and I will read a couple more posts then I am off to sleep

:sleep:

night have a great day..and I did totally see what you were trying to say..ur not a loon :smile:

[aproudmom]

[QUOTE=meadowlark;13008651]


Nooo don't shut up now! It's very interesting.

there is no note at all?

[aproudmom]

Great! Thanks. I knew I heard that she'd *admitted* to writing the note.
And now they're denying the note exists, right?

so there is no note at all is what your saying..ofgs.this is crazy:confused:

[MoonFlwr]

Hello all. Noticed a few things reading this thread. Sandra's aunt had dyed her hair earlier in the month (for her birthday).. thus the lighter hair. The lighter hair is the current color. Despite reports.. it is not from the sun. Whitehall is the street the irrigation pond the body was found in is on. Another post from a while ago mentioned the time frame as far as ability to commit the crime and dump the body in that amount of time. I live about two minutes from the trailer park. The church to the irrigation pond is about 5 minutes away. Isn't as far as it looks in the map. It is an area where no one really goes. Just farmland. I missed the turn to the freeway once and went in that direction... scary at night.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sandra-cantu-case/ci_12085628?nclick_check=1

Hi :)

Wondered if you know Sandra's family from your comment about her hair.

[KuRIouS]

so there is no note at all is what your saying..ofgs.this is crazy:confused:


no no no, i don't know. I was just surmising from posts 114 and 121....but upon rereading, I see that it was MH herself who wouldn't comment on the note. And that LE hasn't confirmed the note..?

I was just asking. So sorry to have mislead you.

[n/t]

If a man was accused of the same crime, would we be discussing insanity defense? I'm not just referring to message boards but talk shows as well.

I don't understand why this heinous crime is being sugar coated and people are looking for excuses for the monster.

As far as I know, she has no history of mental illness. She knew exactly what she was doing and insanity defense will not fly.

She deserves to pay for this crime.

Sandra Cantu is the victim here.

[jammies]

basically that is what it is, a bit more complicated though, actually, a lot more complicated, but she is definitely coding, it is just to what extent now. I've seen enough to convince me she could be part of a group who does this because she certainly is matching the pattern they use. You can't just make this stuff up off the top of your head and make it FIT the pattern. You have to know what it is all about.
my personal opinion is she knows, or someone is using her for their messenger. either way she knew what was going on and what happened. And she has been coding out the clues. Whether or not the police picked up on this I don't know, I assume they did, it would seem as though they did by what they were doing. I certainly picked up on it right off so I can't for the life of me see why the feds didn't.


I understand what you are getting at but it just doesn't make sense to me. Why would MH want to lead them to the body? Why would "others" be directing her so that the body is found? Why would she/they want to be found out?
MH was screaming from the rooftops that she was the perp with all her clues. If she were part of some group wouldn't she have kept very very quiet? Wouldn't they have directed her to sthu, lay low, act "normal", etc?

Why bring attention to herself?

For me, it makes more sense that she was overwhelmed with guilt and wanted to be found out on some level. She needed to be caught and stopped. She saw up close and personal the pain of Sandra's family and somewhere inside her she has a conscience. Probably felt she had to atone as her religious background.

Her "codes" were to lead LE to the body and back to her, IMO. Easy enough for anyone to do. A few key words here and there that seem obvious to the perp but maybe not so obvious to LE.

Maybe I'm over-simplifying but until I see some vast conspiracy and some FACTS that lead in another direction, I'm stuck.

[~jomomma~]

morning all!

this morning, i heard on our local news (and i'm in ohio) that LE is telling/asking for people to come forward if they think their child may have had any innapropriate contact with MH?

i didn't hear this in any of yesterday's news. was it there and i just missed it?

[lunchlady]

I brought this over from the last thread because I thought Doc J had a really good point.




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I think you are right, Charlie. Something very odd with how she kept bringing the media attention back to her. And volunteering that info about the other child being drugged was just so bizzare. It's like she didn't like the fact that LE had not zeroed in on her.

Actually Doc I think you nailed it right there! "It's like she didn't like the fact that LE had not zeroed in on her".

I think you are on to something there, I can't quite put my finger on it but this makes the most sense of anything so far.

I'm going to have to think about this for a bit. Really search my brain because something about that sentence you just wrote is really ringing a bell with me, I just can't bring up the information from the far reaches of my old brain.

Good thinking!

ITA, this is a good observation. If she had kept her mouth shut about the suitcase, her note, and the drugged child in the park she might not be in jail, at least not yet.
Makes me think of Edgar Allen Poe's story, the Tell Tale Heart. The guilt of committing a murder makes the murderer confess to the authorities, because the murderer thinks everyone can hear the dead person's heart beating louder and louder under the floor or wherever the body was concealed.
Does this mean she has a conscience or does she just want to be noticed? If she does now feel remorse its too late for Sandra and her family and everyone else affected by this crime.

I wonder if Melissa reads crime fiction or true crime books. Were her attention getting antics just her clumsy attempts at a coverup, trying to create alibis and put more suspicion on others? Or did she want to get caught? Perhaps her purported religious background made her want to be punished, but what's that worth when Sandra is dead and the vile details are assailing millions of people?

One unfortunate result of such a crime is the further erosion in the general feeling of safe community outside the nuclear family, which produces further isolation and fear and kids sitting around inside staring at some screen or another, wilting. A general feeling of trust and enjoyment in the community is part of the glue that holds a society together and helps turn kids into good citizens and happy adults.

I am wondering if Melissa's history of crime and supposed mental problems was known to her neighbors in the mobile home park. I bet it wasn't. She was there to try and rebuild her life after making a mess of it in SoCal, so I bet she and her grandparents didn't tell anyone about her problems, which didn't look all that frightening on paper.

The chance of something like this happening to your kid is probably very very tiny, but it's effect is huge. Will parents interview and do background checks on all their kid's friends' parents now and refuse to allow them to associate with anyone with the slightest blemish on their record? Probably not, but everyone will be more afraid and suspicious.

I rarely even say Hi to kids at the park or other places anymore, because once or twice a kid gave me that funny look, like they've been told to not interact with anyone. I think I look pretty benign but I understand the reason. However, that detracts from the fun of being out in the world for kids and adults. I've actually moved away from children in public places because I don't want anyone to think I might be trying to engage their child in conversation and luring them away from their adults. This is very deflating for me, as I am interested in people and like to have brief informal interactions with people at the store and other places, but I no longer talk to children unless their adults talk to me first and seem to approve of me interacting with their kids for a moment, even though I find children delightful. Sigh....

[jammies]

You've certainly piqued my interest!


Mine too but I need more facts to be convinced!

[kitty1182]

Good morning.....Saying a prayer for Sandra's family...How in the world is this mother even functioning? God bless her..

[MoonFlwr]

ITA, this is a good observation. If she had kept her mouth shut about the suitcase, her note, and the drugged child in the park she might not be in jail, at least not yet.
Makes me think of Edgar Allen Poe's story, the Tell Tale Heart.

I rarely even say Hi to kids at the park or other places anymore, because once or twice a kid gave me that funny look, like they've been told to not interact with anyone. I think I look pretty benign but I understand the reason. However, that detracts from the fun of being out in the world for kids and adults. I've actually moved away from children in public places because I don't want anyone to think I might be trying to engage their child in conversation and luring them away from their adults. This is very deflating for me, as I am interested in people and like to have brief informal interactions with people at the store and other places, but I no longer talk to children unless their adults talk to me first and seem to approve of me interacting with their kids for a moment, even though I find children delightful. Sigh....

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What a post, lunchlady! :)

It was all relevant, but I was just trying to save space.
I love 'The Tell Tale Heart' and it's a good comparison methinks.

Everything you said about lack of trust detracting from children's development within society as a whole, was well-expressed, too!

It is a pity that adults have to shy away from children and vice-versa, as children are such a tonic and one moment with a child a day, is enough to lighten a person's load in a few seconds! It's like a breath of fresh air...how sad if we cannot enjoy one of the most simple, precious things that life has to offer!

[jakee]

Good morning all,

I try to keep up on the news but I am behind again. So nobody saw this note that had the word suitcase spelled wrong? I have been trying to find out how it was spelled but cannot seem to find any info on that. :mad:

Also, what text message to Sandra's mother? Do we know what it said?

Thank you.

I agree with the posters that she seemed to want them, LE, to know it was her, at least that is what I think now. I will probably learn something new and change my mind again. :smile:

[Themis]

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]

[Themis]

Good morning.....Saying a prayer for Sandra's family...How in the world is this mother even functioning? God bless her..
Good morning, Kitty, nice to see you.

I agree -- I cannot even begin to imagine how Sandra Cantu's mother is coping. Even thinking of what she has to face in the months ahead is too grim to deal with.

[Texas48]

The coding that sex offenders use.... like their own pig latin.OMG..I have never heard of this either..Goes to show you..one is never too old to learn. Goodness.

[MoonFlwr]

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]

Thanks, Themis. Just watching the press conference from directly after the hearing - I hadn't seen it.

Excellent advice about bookmarking! ;)

[VII]

If a man was accused of the same crime, would we be discussing insanity defense? I'm not just referring to message boards but talk shows as well.

I don't understand why this heinous crime is being sugar coated and people are looking for excuses for the monster.

As far as I know, she has no history of mental illness. She knew exactly what she was doing and insanity defense will not fly.

She deserves to pay for this crime.

Sandra Cantu is the victim here.

Mornin' ...
Respectfully disagree on the mental health history opinion ...
MH was court ordered to participate in counseling as part of her probation.
I think she has history of mental health treatment and was not participating ie... taking medications to alleviate symptoms.

I don't think she was "just depressed"
imo reports indicate symptoms consistent with Bipolar Disorder ...
Further, I suspect some sort of Schizophrenia in the mix.
I'm curious if she were actually taking her meds or simply attending counseling.
She may have religious convictions that disallow taking medications for mental health issues? = noncompliant with treatment recommendations/order of the court.
If she is/was taking her medications, was she taking them properly?
Had she been misdiagnosed and taking the wrong meds = horrifying adverse reaction?

Having said that,
I personally do not believe a mental health diagnosis is an "excuse" for what she did. While she obviously HAS mental health issues, she still appears to understand the magnitude of her actions, and yes, she needs to *pay* for her crime(s), even though that's not really possible, is it?

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[lunchlady]

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What a post, lunchlady! :)

It was all relevant, but I was just trying to save space.
I love 'The Tell Tale Heart' and it's a good comparison methinks.

Everything you said about lack of trust detracting from children's development within society as a whole, was well-expressed, too!

It is a pity that adults have to shy away from children and vice-versa, as children are such a tonic and one moment with a child a day, is enough to lighten a person's load in a few seconds! It's like a breath of fresh air...how sad if we cannot enjoy one of the most simple, precious things that life has to offer!

Thanx Moonflower! My head was full of thoughts about Sandra and Melissa and how such events make the whole world sadder. Its really great to able to share them with other people.

[kitty1182]

Good morning, Kitty, nice to see you.

I agree -- I cannot even begin to imagine how Sandra Cantu's mother is coping. Even thinking of what she has to face in the months ahead is too grim to deal with.

I know..My heart couldn't take it....This poor woman and her family will never be the same..Just breaks my heart..
I will not be here to see the memorial tomorrow...I guess it will be a live feed..Won't be back home till Monday..I hope someone puts it in the links thread so I can see it when I get home..
How could somebody destroy two familes like this? I feel for MH's family too..

[Themis]

Here are links to the TV stations broadcast out of Sacramento.

Sacramento is the nearest 'big' city to Tracy and Stockton.
They can be expected to follow the case of murdered Sandra Cantu as events unfold as they are only one hour drive from Stockton.


Ch 3: KCRA / NBC Affiliate: http://www.kcra.com/index.html

Ch 10: KXTV / ABC Affiliate: http://www.news10.net/

Ch 13: KOVR / CBS Affiliate: http://cbs13.com/

Ch 40: KXTL / FOX Affiliate: http://www.fox40.com/pages/main


[JMO * Themis]

[Candlelight]

they are a group yes. They all understand this coding. they use it to communicate and also to communicate to the police. What they do, how they do it, locations chosen, dates, how they kill, where bodies are found, when they are found etc. its been going on for years.

I don't know how Melissa fits into this. I am not sure if she is copying them or what, but she learned this from somewhere. She either has ties to this group or somehow she has learned what they do. Or someone used her to send out clues.

(Very nice voice) Ummmm.....how do you understand this coding? Thank you...Jane Doe

[just_sayin']

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]

Thank you for that link. I am new here but have been reading for awhile and have kept up with this whole case. I do think MH is guilty but I also think she had help. jmo

[dinojen]

I see they have updated MH's inmate page with her charges and her next hearing date.

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

Also heard on cbs5.com this morning just a few moments ago she will be getting a new attorney in the next few weeks, didn't say who though

It was Joe Vasquez doing the reporting.

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.charges.2.984452.html

[Themis]

Thank you for that link. I am new here but have been reading for awhile and have kept up with this whole case. I do think MH is guilty but I also think she had help. jmo
You're welcome, Just_Sayin' -- as you can see the Stockton Record newspaper section devoted to murdered Sandra Candu is already comprehensive: videos, text articles by reporters (with reader's comments) and blogs ... and very well organized. [JMO * Themis]

Welcome, too, to the InSession Message Board!:smile:

[Eli]

Good Morning

There has been talk about a possible previous accusation against her specifically drugging another child. I think she overdosed Sandra to rape her and she died from the drugs...How many other children have been subject to this woman...i dont think this is the first time she has done this....If I were a parent and used her to babysit, i would be concerned right now. one more JMO...why, knowing that their grand-daughter, was so troubled and taking medication for depression, did HER GRANDPARENTS allow her to "teach" Sunday school and be around children.
:mad:
JMO

[Texas48]

If a man was accused of the same crime, would we be discussing insanity defense? I'm not just referring to message boards but talk shows as well.

I don't understand why this heinous crime is being sugar coated and people are looking for excuses for the monster.

As far as I know, she has no history of mental illness. She knew exactly what she was doing and insanity defense will not fly.

She deserves to pay for this crime.

Sandra Cantu is the victim here.
I agree n/t...Some feel it isn't possible or hard to comprehend that a woman would be capable of this horrific crime...Some experts are shocked...IF a man comitted this crime there would be no excuses and an insanity defense would be laughed right out...I believe as you do..MH knew what she was doing. NO sugar coating..it is what it is..imo

[MoonFlwr]

From the links that Themis posted,

KCRA.com said they'd be covering the memorial live.

[kitty1182]

I see they have updated MH's inmate page with her charges and her next hearing date.

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

Also heard on cbs5.com this morning just a few moments ago she will be getting a new attorney in the next few weeks, didn't say who though

It was Joe Vasquez doing the reporting.

http://cbs5.com/crime/sandra.cantu.charges.2.984452.html

I wonder if it will be Gergeros (sp)

[dinojen]

Tracy Press is reporting from yesterday her atty. will be the one that was with her yesterday, they also are reporting the DA that will handle the case and the judge that will be assigned to it.

District Attorney Robert Himelblau said he couldn’t remember a time when San Joaquin County prosecutors had ever considered the death penalty for a woman.

Judge Richard Vlavianos ordered Huckaby back in court on April 24 for further arraignment. He also appointed public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg to represent her.

During the hearing, Schwarzenberg, who had represented Huckaby in a previous petty theft case, asked the judge for a gag order in the murder case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

Prosecutor Thomas Testa will handle the case for the district attorney’s office. He has put two men on death row in California and several murderers behind bars for life.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2316290-UPDATE-+Charges+rattle+suspect&article-UPDATE-%20Charges%20rattle%20suspect%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

[kitty1182]

From the links that Themis posted,

KCRA.com said they'd be covering the memorial live.

I hope someone saves it to the links thread here..I will be on the road, won't get to see it:sad:

[Texas48]

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]Thank you Themis..great idea..

[dinojen]

I wonder if it will be Gergeros (sp)

Nope he's busy with Chris Brown... and still working on suing the SF Zoo and city for those fine upstanding Dwhali's...:rolleyes: because a beautiful tiger attacked them for no reason...:angry:

[Texas48]

N/T, we are on the same page. It was appalling to watch certain shows last evening and hearing a mental impairment defense even being mentioned. We absolutely would not be hearing anything of the sort had this perp been male, imo.

I can't believe little Sandra was her first victim, I'm glad they are investigating other possible cases of abuse.

IMO, this monster will go with a diminished capacity defense of some type and wouldn't be surprised to see a mark geragos type attorney arrive on the scene to represent this monster. IMO.Great post as always Jo...

[dinojen]

I hope someone saves it to the links thread here..I will be on the road, won't get to see it:sad:

Will make sure a link gets put in the link only thread...:wink:

[kitty1182]

Nope he's busy with Chris Brown... and still working on suing the SF Zoo and city for those fine upstanding Dwhali's...:rolleyes: because a beautiful tiger attacked them for no reason...:angry:

LOL, I forgot about that..

[kitty1182]

Will make sure a link gets put in the link only thread...:wink:

Thanks!!!!!! :smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]

Great idea themis, and thanks. :wink:

[kitty1182]

The Stockton Record newspaper seems to have a good reporting structure established in following the case of murdered Sandra Cantu.

Here is the link to the Stockton Record's page devoted exclusively to Sandra Cantu:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=A_SPECIAL0263


P.S. For those of you who intend to follow this case, I suggest you create a folder in your computer's Favorites File titled: CANTU

Then add to it the links you want to keep for reference. It will save everyone a lot of time and effort.

[JMO * Themis]


Thanks:beer:

[Themis]

I wonder if it will be Gergeros (sp)
I doubt it will be Mark Geragos. He's kinda busy right now, I understand.:wink:

Frankly, I hope no big name 'volunteers' to represent the accused. Just their name alone guarantees the trial (if there is one) will turn into a circus. They do love their cameras.
Of course, that does not preclude some area attorney 'volunteering.' What is not needed is another Jose Baez! [JMO * Themis]

[CANDYKISSES]

Tracy Press is reporting from yesterday her atty. will be the one that was with her yesterday, they also are reporting the DA that will handle the case and the judge that will be assigned to it.

District Attorney Robert Himelblau said he couldn’t remember a time when San Joaquin County prosecutors had ever considered the death penalty for a woman.

Judge Richard Vlavianos ordered Huckaby back in court on April 24 for further arraignment. He also appointed public defender Ellen Schwarzenberg to represent her.

During the hearing, Schwarzenberg, who had represented Huckaby in a previous petty theft case, asked the judge for a gag order in the murder case. Vlavianos said that question would be answered by his colleague, Judge Terrence Van Oss, who would be presiding over future hearings.

Prosecutor Thomas Testa will handle the case for the district attorney’s office. He has put two men on death row in California and several murderers behind bars for life.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?page_label=home&id=2316290-UPDATE-+Charges+rattle+suspect&article-UPDATE-%20Charges%20rattle%20suspect%20=&widget=push&instance=home_news_bullets&open=&

:wub:Hey Jen, I thought I saw a case on Fox this morning about a case there where a woman killed a lawyer, but I don't know the name of the case, it was alleged to be from the same jurisdiction as Sandra's case IIRC.

Thanks for all your local links and input too.

[kitty1182]

I doubt it will be Mark Geragos. He's kinda busy right now, I understand.:wink:

Frankly, I hope no big name 'volunteers' to represent the accused. Just their name alone guarantees the trial (if there is one) will turn into a circus. They do love their cameras.
Of course, that does not preclude some area attorney 'volunteering.' What is not needed is another Jose Baez! [JMO * Themis]

Amen to that!!!!!!

[daHawg]

I doubt it will be Mark Geragos. He's kinda busy right now, I understand.:wink:

Frankly, I hope no big name 'volunteers' to represent the accused. Just their name alone guarantees the trial (if there is one) will turn into a circus. They do love their cameras.
Of course, that does not preclude some area attorney 'volunteering.' What is not needed is another Jose Baez! [JMO * Themis]
What's Daniel Horowitz doing these days?

[Themis]

What's Daniel Horowitz doing these days?
Hopefully, not defending people accused of murder since his own wife was so brutally murded in October 2005!
[JMO * Themis]

[dinojen]

:wub:Hey Jen, I thought I saw a case on Fox this morning about a case there where a woman killed a lawyer, but I don't know the name of the case, it was alleged to be from the same jurisdiction as Sandra's case IIRC.

Thanks for all your local links and input too.


Yep .. you sure did.. once again in OAKLAND..

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/11/state/n162101D06.DTL

Guess him and his GF of six months got into a fight... apparently he was a up and coming atty. too.

[FrankieBones1]

The other Melissa Huckaby who also lives in California and 28 years old and also a Sunday school teacher has been getting death threats. She ended up taking down her MySpace page according to HLN just now.

I remember the media using her pic when this story first broke.

[daHawg]

Hopefully, not defending people accused of murder since his own wife was so brutally murded in October 2005!
[JMO * Themis]


He's still a criminal defense atty....

http://www.whitecollar.us/successes.html


CRIMINAL CASES
People v. (Name Withheld for Privacy) (2009)
Assault with Great Bodily Injury (Acquittal 2 hours deliberation)

People v. Origel (2008)
Chiropractic Fraud and other charges (Dismissed after jury hung 10-2 for Acquittal)

People v. Parker (2007)
Life Without Parole Kidnap Charges (Jury Verdict on lesser charge, 3 other counts NG)

People v. (Name Withheld) (2007)
Murder Charge (Plea Bargain to 3 year term)

People v. Freitas (2006)
Murder Charge (Acquittal at Jury Trial (Las Vegas, Nevada)

[Themis]

He's still a criminal defense atty....

http://www.whitecollar.us/successes.html


CRIMINAL CASES
People v. (Name Withheld for Privacy) (2009)
Assault with Great Bodily Injury (Acquittal 2 hours deliberation)

People v. Origel (2008)
Chiropractic Fraud and other charges (Dismissed after jury hung 10-2 for Acquittal)

People v. Parker (2007)
Life Without Parole Kidnap Charges (Jury Verdict on lesser charge, 3 other counts NG)

People v. (Name Withheld) (2007)
Murder Charge (Plea Bargain to 3 year term)
People v. Freitas (2006)
Murder Charge (Acquittal at Jury Trial (Las Vegas, Nevada)
<I bolded text>
Well, isn't that special.:angry:

I wonder how Horowitz would have felt if the murderer of his own wife had received only 3 years in a plea bargain for her death.

Instead 16 year-old Scott Dyleski got Life Without Possibility of Parole for killing Pamela.
[JMO * Themis]

[GentleBreeze]

N/T, we are on the same page. It was appalling to watch certain shows last evening and hearing a mental impairment defense even being mentioned. We absolutely would not be hearing anything of the sort had this perp been male, imo.

I can't believe little Sandra was her first victim, I'm glad they are investigating other possible cases of abuse.

IMO, this monster will go with a diminished capacity defense of some type and wouldn't be surprised to see a mark geragos type attorney arrive on the scene to represent this monster. IMO.

I must admit as I watched the news shows on tv yesterday I noticed how very little was mentioned about the true victim in this case and once again it had become center stage for the murderer and the excuses have already begun. Imo, this would not have happened if the perpetrator was a scummy male instead of a scummy female.

I don't think MH communicated with serial killers. I think she lived her life in Tracy under the disguise and "appearance" she knew would benefit her where it would make young children trust her. I think she lived in her own twisted world and perverted lustful thoughts were locked in her mind.

I do not believe that Sandra is the first child she has preyed upon. She has probably done this to other children, such as offering to bathe them, dress them if they were younger than Sandra. I don't see her as a woman with much discipline or self control. I think when that lustful urge arose she acted upon it and it may have appeased her for awhile but she may have grown tired and bored with just molesting and wanted something more.

One of the talking head psyche doctors pegged her right though when they said she will start coming out trying to protect herself and saying it wasn't her fault. Iirc, she said she fits the profile of a psychopath who loves attention on themselves and always lies to put themselves in a better light.

If she is an anomaly then I am thankful for that but that absolutely does not help Sandra or Sandra's family. We are seeing anomalies in criminal cases today. Just recently our country had a 8 year old double murder suspect who killed for no explainable reason. He just did it and not one thing has been uncovered to explain why it happened.

But I have seen many cases lately that shows that anytime old myths can be shattered and evil is not gender or age specific.

I do wonder just how many of these female sexual predators get away with their crimes simply because even LE seem to have tunnel vision toward male perpetrators. Somehow I think if the unsolved cases were solved the percentage of female sexual abusers would go way up. I think they are the least to get caught.

I also hope they do get someone qualified to talk with her 5 year old daughter and have her examined to see if she has been molested and had objects pushed into her body too. This is the one child that MH had full control over and that makes me very worried for her child.

imo

[daHawg]

<I bolded text>
Well, isn't that special.:angry:

I wonder how Horowitz would have felt if the murderer of his own wife had received only 3 years in a plea bargain for her death.

Instead 16 year-old Scott Dyleski got Life Without Possibility of Parole for killing Pamela.
[JMO * Themis]

I just hope he doesn't get involved in this case whatsoever! He is only less than 50 miles away from Tracy, CA.

[dinojen]

The other Melissa Huckaby who also lives in California and 28 years old and also a Sunday school teacher has been getting death threats. She ended up taking down her MySpace page according to HLN just now.

I remember the media using her pic when this story first broke.

Posted a link yesterday with a video interview with her... can't say I blame her, she was afraid for her whole family, even her uncle was getting threatened.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48835@kpix.dayport.com

[kitty1182]

I just hope he doesn't get involved in this case whatsoever! He is only less than 50 miles away from Tracy, CA.

Whoa, that's too close..I hope he doesn't either..

[just_sayin']

You're welcome, Just_Sayin' -- as you can see the Stockton Record newspaper section devoted to murdered Sandra Candu is already comprehensive: videos, text articles by reporters (with reader's comments) and blogs ... and very well organized. [JMO * Themis]

Welcome, too, to the InSession Message Board!:smile:

Thanks! I am not much of a poster but I do enjoy eveyone's posts your a smart bunch around here.:thumbsup:

[FrankieBones1]

I don't think MH communicated with serial killers. I think she lived her life in Tracy under the disguise and "appearance" she knew would benefit her where it would make young children trust her. I think she lived in her own twisted world and perverted lustful thoughts were locked in her mind. <<<snipped for length only as per CW's request>>>
I wonder if Huckaby was grooming Sandra over the months. Could have been her that suggested she blonde up and start wearing dangling earrings. Maybe she wanted her to look older than her eight years.

[GentleBreeze]

What's Daniel Horowitz doing these days?

Still trying cases. Dan has been an attorney for a very long time and actually is a very good defense attorney, imo.

Pamela was proud of Dan. She would never want him to give up his long held profession. She knew all defendants deserve a competent defense attorney and she admired her husband's work.

As Dan tries these other cases he knows his client is not SD who murdered his wife. He is there to make the State prove their case and that is the way it should be.

If a doctor's wife was murdered by a group of thugs, like the type he/she may see in the ER everyday, I highly doubt they would give up their profession and not save people's lives anymore, even ones that may be similar to the thugs that murdered one of his/her family members.

I would hire Dan as a lawyer in this case over Geragos in a heartbeat. The juries tend to bond with Dan and he isn't about $5000 suits and designer shades and fluff.

imo

[kitty1182]

Thanks! I am not much of a poster but I do enjoy eveyone's posts your a smart bunch around here.:thumbsup:

Hello and Welcome..:smile:

[GentleBreeze]

I wonder if Huckaby was grooming Sandra over the months. Could have been her that suggested she blonde up and start wearing dangling earrings. Maybe she wanted her to look older than her eight years.

Imo, she was Frankie. She had selected Sandra. That is why Sandra was allowed to come in and play with Madison. It had begun even back then, imo and it is sickening.

Sandra was the perfect target. She was very lovable, open and trusting. She was not a standoffish child but one receptive to the attention given to her.

imoo

[CC I See]

I wonder if Huckaby was grooming Sandra over the months. Could have been her that suggested she blonde up and start wearing dangling earrings. Maybe she wanted her to look older than her eight years.

WOW that is an excellent remark... we know that her hair was lightened but many said it was the sun until those that mentioned that her hair texture is not the kind that lightens by the sun.

I certainly believe that this is an unusual case with lots of twists and turns. The forensics will be the key here...and I am sure they know plenty but not saying. I think that she has already given a confession of sorts because of the fact that she hinted that it was an accident and her attorney has not entered a plea. I think they are going to go with the mental impairment defense.

[juliekan]

You're welcome, Just_Sayin' -- as you can see the Stockton Record newspaper section devoted to murdered Sandra Candu is already comprehensive: videos, text articles by reporters (with reader's comments) and blogs ... and very well organized. [JMO * Themis]

Welcome, too, to the InSession Message Board!:smile:

thank you Themis :smile: I posted them on the links thread also

[KittyMom]

I saw that LE is asking for help in identifying other possible victims. I really hope there are no others. What a nightmare. I can't imagine what Sandra's parents are going thru. Bless them.

[kitty1182]

I saw that LE is asking for help in identifying other possible victims. I really hope there are no others. What a nightmare. I can't imagine what Sandra's parents are going thru. Bless them.

My heart breaks for that family, especially the mother.....:sad:

[Ice Cycle]

I wonder if Huckaby was grooming Sandra over the months. Could have been her that suggested she blonde up and start wearing dangling earrings. Maybe she wanted her to look older than her eight years.

I posted this link from ABC news last night, according to them the family said her hair was sun bleached.

Last seen wearing a Hello Kitty shirt and black leggings, Sandra has long, light brown hair with golden highlights from spending a lot of time out in the sun, her family said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7210841&page=1

[psbperu]

Themis:

Thank you for the great link.


Frankie:

Wonder how long she has silently coveted this beautiful little girl? It is difficult for me to believe that she hasn't exhibited some predatory behavior before on another child (children).

How much planning (there had to be some) went into the events of that fateful day, particularly if she took SC to the church without the knowledge of Sanda's parents. Did MH's grandmother know that she went off with SC to the church?

Lots of questions.

[CC I See]

I saw that LE is asking for help in identifying other possible victims. I really hope there are no others. What a nightmare. I can't imagine what Sandra's parents are going thru. Bless them.

Here is a link to that information again for those who missed it. If there are other victims, I hope they are found so that they can get the help that they need.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/15/slain.girl.case/index.html

[GentleBreeze]

I saw that LE is asking for help in identifying other possible victims. I really hope there are no others. What a nightmare. I can't imagine what Sandra's parents are going thru. Bless them.

I think the FBI profilers have told LE that there is a very good likelihood that this is not the first molestation she has done. No one just starts out at 28 years old doing this imo.

imo

[CC I See]

In this case, more like leg~pulling. JMO

I agree, I think she is enjoying the game she is playing just like the games she played with Sandra. The codes and clues sound like another well known case where there is a bit of truth in every lie.

[KittyMom]

I think the FBI profilers have told LE that there is a very good likelihood that this is not the first molestation she has done. No one just starts out at 28 years old doing this imo.

imo

I know that the research points to there being other victims. I just hope there aren't. Too many people have been hurt by this woman already.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree, I think she is enjoying the game she is playing just like the games she played with Sandra. The codes and clues sound like another well known case where there is a bit of truth in every lie.

I see Melissa coming out to place blame elsewhere.

She even blames the police by telling the media Sandra could have been found earlier if they had taken what the note said into consideration. Was the actual note even found by anyone other thant MH or seen? So in her psychopathic mind she disregards the fact that she is the one in the first place that murdered Sandra and threw her body in the pond.

Now she is selling the load of goods that it was an accident. Once again to put herself in a better light.

She is rearranging and manipulating what really happened and diminishing her own responsibility in it. I think she is as sly as a fox and the mental illness defense if used will go no where.

imo

[bama__angel]

This psych evaluation she had after the petty theft is curious, it's unusual and not standard.

What exactly did she steal? Maybe there's some hint there.




Melissa requested the mental evaluation......The court didnt order it.....IMO

[Newclothes]

I know that the research points to there being other victims. I just hope there aren't. Too many people have been hurt by this woman already.

I agree....I hope there are not anymore either but predators almost never get caught the first time. I would almost bet the farm that more will be found:angry:

I also noticed yesterday in the hearing she would get emotional when they would say her own name.....Like she was ashamed of hearing her name with the murder and rape charge...that tells me that she knows right from wrong and she knew what she was doing....sick...sick...

[MrLucky917B]

Don't know if you can get to the link from here


CBS News reported Wednesday that Huckaby had been hospitalized after a suicide attempt a few days before her arrest. She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.



http://news.aol.com/article/missing-girl-sandra-cantu/423487

[GentleBreeze]

I know that the research points to there being other victims. I just hope there aren't. Too many people have been hurt by this woman already.

Well maybe it is time for the little children to be heard if they exist.

They too need and deserve to be healed if she has harmed them.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Don't know if you can get to the link from here


CBS News reported Wednesday that Huckaby had been hospitalized after a suicide attempt a few days before her arrest. She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.



http://news.aol.com/article/missing-girl-sandra-cantu/423487

I said all along it was because of a suicide attempt.

And the person on twitter got it right......they said she had tried to swallow razor blades. Those kind of blades are very small. I use them in my arts and craft projects.

Thanks for the link.

[MoonHarvest]

I said all along it was because of a suicide attempt.

And the person on twitter got it right......they said she had tried to swallow razor blades. Those kind of blades are very small. I use them in my arts and craft projects.

Thanks for the link.

Yup, and I said I figured there was something to the swallowing razor blades story !

[MoonHarvest]

I'm also going to say that I think if this Huckaby did this, I bet the same was done to her at some point.

[KittyMom]

Well maybe it is time for the little children to be heard if they exist.

They too need and deserve to be healed if she has harmed them.

imo

Back off. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm simply expressing a hope that this monster hasn't victimized other kids. If she has I certainly want them to be found and for her to pay for her crimes. But, if we can find a silver lining in this nightmare please let it be that she hasn't done this to any other children.

[Stella Rose]

I wonder if it will be Gergeros (sp)

God, I hope not. If so, everyone get ready for the weekly red herrings. Yuck.

[kitty1182]

Yup, and I said I figured there was something to the swallowing razor blades story !

I hope she passes them:angry:

[KittyMom]

I'm sorry but I don't believe that was a real suicide attempt. It was nothing more than attention/sympathy ploy.

[oodi]

I said all along it was because of a suicide attempt.

And the person on twitter got it right......they said she had tried to swallow razor blades. Those kind of blades are very small. I use them in my arts and craft projects.

Thanks for the link.

Add that to whatever it was that caused the court to require her to go to the mental health clinic as part of her probation, and you've got diminished mental capacity.

Also, on the KCRA late news last night, they said that MH's ex-husband had only been given limited visitation with their daughter at the time of the divorce, because of his history of alcohol abuse, etc. I thought I had heard that he had come out here from Kansas to get the daughter after her arrest. Am I wrong on that?

[Themis]

thank you Themis :smile: I posted them on the links thread also
Oh! Aren't you nice, Juliekan ... thank you very much.:biggrin:
I hadn't thought of that myself; just wanted to share the local links as I know them.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Back off. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm simply expressing a hope that this monster hasn't victimized other kids. If she has I certainly want them to be found and for her to pay for her crimes. But, if we can find a silver lining in this nightmare please let it be that she hasn't done this to any other children.


Realistically, yes, she has done this before.

There is no silver lining, none, and there is no blue sky.

This kind of crime is out there and it is black, black, black. It is not just a little bit dark.

The fact that it is a woman might be unusual, I agree, but there are most definitely other victims.

Unfortunately they might not know it. Melissa drugs them first. They might have just had a little pain 'down there' and never been looked at by a doctor. I mean why would they? They were with a trusted person, a person who loves children (her family says).

I would look first at her relatives children, all of them.

This woman is certainly evil.

She is not just a gal who had a rough patch.

[jakee]

I'm also going to say that I think if this Huckaby did this, I bet the same was done to her at some point.

I think it was on NG last night a therapist said the same thing. The way her lip trembled when they mentioned the charges against her led the therapist to believe the same thing was done to her. Not exact quote. IIRC

[aproudmom]

Don't know if you can get to the link from here


CBS News reported Wednesday that Huckaby had been hospitalized after a suicide attempt a few days before her arrest. She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.



http://news.aol.com/article/missing-girl-sandra-cantu/423487

X-Acto knife blades..omg that should kill someone if true

[juliekan]

I'm also going to say that I think if this Huckaby did this, I bet the same was done to her at some point.

I wonder about this also. :sad:

I hope her trying to swallow the exacto blades is not "code" for anything (although I don't really understand this code theory)

[AmndaRcknwth]

I'm also going to say that I think if this Huckaby did this, I bet the same was done to her at some point.


I agree.

And I agree that the suicide attempt was lame and just a ploy. Swallow blades, call an ambulance. What she should have done was zip herself into a suitcase and roll into a pond of youknowwhat.

[KittyMom]

Realistically, yes, she has done this before.

There is no silver lining, none, and there is no blue sky.

This kind of crime is out there and it is black, black, black. It is not just a little bit dark.

The fact that it is a woman might be unusual, I agree, but there are most definitely other victims.

Unfortunately they might not know it. Melissa drugs them first. They might have just had a little pain 'down there' and never been looked at by a doctor. I mean why would they? They were with a trusted person, a person who loves children (her family says).

I would look first at her relatives children, all of them.

This woman is certainly evil.

She is not just a gal who had a rough patch.

I tend to look for that silver lining in all the horror. If nothing else, she's locked away where she can't be around a child again.

[jakee]

I hope she passes them:angry:

:ohmy: That is something to think about! I just cannot imagine swallowing them in the first place. How? I guess I don't know how big they are.

[MoonHarvest]

I think it was on NG last night a therapist said the same thing. The way her lip trembled when they mentioned the charges against her led the therapist to believe the same thing was done to her. Not exact quote. IIRC

I agree with the therapist.

[juliekan]

:ohmy: That is something to think about! I just cannot imagine swallowing them in the first place. How? I guess I don't know how big they are.

No way she actually swallowed them, she would have had to have extensive surgery. The key here is that she TRIED to swallow them. It should have cut her mouth up.

quote from article: She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.

or am I misreading that?

[lunchlady]

I hope they're looking for victims in all the places she's lived in SoCal. I bet she offered to babysit and have children over to "play" everywhere she's lived. Having a 5 year old daughter could be a good cover.

[MoonHarvest]

I think they can come in different sizes, but mostly are fairly small, as one poster noted, they are used frequently in arts and crafts projects. They can really so some damage, I wonder if she wrapped them in something that would dissolve in her stomach to be able to swallow them?

I was thinking the same thing, about wrapping them in something.

I wonder if Huckaby is a cutter?

[GentleBreeze]

Back off. I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm simply expressing a hope that this monster hasn't victimized other kids. If she has I certainly want them to be found and for her to pay for her crimes. But, if we can find a silver lining in this nightmare please let it be that she hasn't done this to any other children.

:confused: I am so sorry if you took my post to be offensive Kitty, it certainly wasn't intended to be. All I meant that maybe the time is right for other little children to come forward if they exist. Sometimes victims can feel stronger if they know they aren't the only ones this has happened to.

I certainly wasn't arguing with you. I know exactly how you feel. It would be a compounded tragedy to deal with. I was only talking about if these children do exist......then that needs to come out so the healing can begin, imo.:shrug:

imo

[oodi]

I think they can come in different sizes, but mostly are fairly small, as one poster noted, they are used frequently in arts and crafts projects. They can really so some damage, I wonder if she wrapped them in something that would dissolve in her stomach to be able to swallow them?

They are typically about the size of a surgical scalpel. I can't imagine they would get very far down her esophagus, though.

[KittyMom]

Well, whether she actually ingested them or not, I hope the docs gave her the strongest laxative they have and followed that up with an enima. :mad:

[jakee]

No way she actually swallowed them, she would have had to have extensive surgery. The key here is that she TRIED to swallow them. It should have cut her mouth up.

quote from article: She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.

or am I misreading that?

I am reading that quote the same way, but I confuse myself. I too would have thought her mouth would be all cut up, but as others have pointed out, if they come in a really small size and wrapped in something, would that work? It hurts me just thinking about it, I just cannot imagine.

[both_of_us]

:ohmy: That is something to think about! I just cannot imagine swallowing them in the first place. How? I guess I don't know how big they are.

It looks like they come in different sizes.

http://www.xacto.com/p_cuttingtools_blades.asp

[aproudmom]

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

I just do not get her saying she had been in the area, her suitcase stolen, the note..I can not figure this one out..she places herself there in the area her luggage maybe trying to kill herself swallowing knives blades..ofgs I have never seen anything like this in a case..

Huckaby also says she has spent some time on the farm near the irrigation ditch where Sandra Cantu's body was discovered in suitcase that closely resembles the one she reports missing. Police won't confirm whether the suitcase Huckaby reported stolen and the one Sandra's body was found in are the same.


http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Church-Teacher-Says-Suitcase-Stolen-The-=1&blockID=263590&feedID=2674

[both_of_us]

No way she actually swallowed them, she would have had to have extensive surgery. The key here is that she TRIED to swallow them. It should have cut her mouth up.

quote from article: She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.

or am I misreading that?

If they were old blades, they would have done no damage at all.

[KittyMom]

:confused: I am so sorry if you took my post to be offensive Kitty, it certainly wasn't intended to be. All I meant that maybe the time is right for other little children to come forward if they exist. Sometimes victims can feel stronger if they know they aren't the only ones this has happened to.

I certainly wasn't arguing with you. I know exactly how you feel. It would be a compounded tragedy to deal with. I was only talking about if these children do exist......then that needs to come out so the healing can begin, imo.:shrug:

imo

I apologize. This case has me upset. It doesn't fit the profile so how do we educate people on what to be aware of? Frustrating. I'm tired of our kids being victims. It scares me silly to let my kids out of my sight.

[Dunlurken]

Don't know if you can get to the link from here


CBS News reported Wednesday that Huckaby had been hospitalized after a suicide attempt a few days before her arrest. She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.



http://news.aol.com/article/missing-girl-sandra-cantu/423487

How can you swallow three knife blades and live to tell about it? This woman is truly nuts!

There are definitely women sex predators out there. I wonder if anyone has checked this woman's own daughter to see if she was also abused, physically. JMO.

[aproudmom]

It looks like they come in different sizes.

http://www.xacto.com/p_cuttingtools_blades.asp

I use them when I work on my kids scrapbooks..never thought about swallowing one..did she not say she had scrapbook stuff also in the luggage?

[Newclothes]

I was thinking the same thing, about wrapping them in something.

I wonder if Huckaby is a cutter?

My friend in highschool swallowed blades too and she was a cutter. I know I have read somewhere about this that they feel like they should be punished and they also want to punish the people that loved them.

BTW...my husband is a doc and he says people come into the ER alot by swallowing blades, glass, and other sharp items....so sad:(

[happy2bme]

:ohmy: That is something to think about! I just cannot imagine swallowing them in the first place. How? I guess I don't know how big they are.
Photo of the blades

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21WeC1ypfgL._SL500_AA280_.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amazon.com/X-Acto-Knife-Blades-Blade-Pack/dp/B00006ICJW&usg=__ujEc91pdq3V-q9I6NJdXc5Cr6_A=&h=280&w=280&sz=4&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=LYZ-gNl-TP_HhM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dphoto%2Bof%2Bx-acto%2Bknife%2Bblades%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ATSA_en ___US219%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1

[IlliniFan]

No way she actually swallowed them, she would have had to have extensive surgery. The key here is that she TRIED to swallow them. It should have cut her mouth up.

quote from article: She tried to harm herself by swallowing three X-Acto knife blades, according to correspondent John Blackstone.

or am I misreading that?

You might be right. My hubby has some of these, granted his are fairly big, and I guess they come in various sizes. But, I tend to agree that if she had actually swollowed them, surgery would likely have been performed to retrieve them??? I'd think they could do some damage going through the body. I bet she made an "attempt"...she may have ended up on the psych floor?? imo

[Dunlurken]

I apologize. This case has me upset. It doesn't fit the profile so how do we educate people on what to be aware of? Frustrating. I'm tired of our kids being victims. It scares me silly to let my kids out of my sight.

You would think they would be safe with a person involved in the church. Guess that isn't so. Nor are the boy scouts, girl scouts, etc. They aren't safe anywhere. Unless they are within eye range of you.

Then we have Haleigh, Elizabeth Smart, I could go on and on, who disappeared right out of their own beds. Good Lord! JMO. :thumbup:

[aproudmom]

How can you swallow three knife blades and live to tell about it? This woman is truly nuts!

There are definitely women sex predators out there. I wonder if anyone has checked this woman's own daughter to see if she was also abused, physically. JMO.

I am just setting here saying omg what is next..:ohmy:
I would think they have checked her little girl with what she is charged with..her mother had her since the day after Sandra went missing on a planned trip per her fathers statement..sure they are back by now...imo

[MoonHarvest]

My friend in highschool swallowed blades too and she was a cutter. I know I have read somewhere about this that they feel like they should be punished and they also want to punish the people that loved them.

BTW...my husband is a doc and he says people come into the ER alot by swallowing blades, glass, and other sharp items....so sad:(

Cutters also cut to get the pain of abuse out. I'm willing to bet money this was a sexually abused person. Look how she apparently could not cope in society. Sad all the way around.

[KittyMom]

I use them when I work on my kids scrapbooks..never thought about swallowing one..did she not say she had scrapbook stuff also in the luggage?

Yes she did. They come in several shapes and sizes. I agree, if they were dull, they could be swallowed with cutting the mouth.

[Stella Rose]

I'm sorry but I don't believe that was a real suicide attempt. It was nothing more than attention/sympathy ploy.

I could think of a lot less painful ways to try to garner sympathy. Man, this is one twisted bit(h. Swallowing X-Acto blades?

[Dunlurken]

Yes she did. They come in several shapes and sizes. I agree, if they were dull, they could be swallowed with cutting the mouth.

Why swallow blades though? This was before the murder. :confused:

[jakee]

My friend in highschool swallowed blades too and she was a cutter. I know I have read somewhere about this that they feel like they should be punished and they also want to punish the people that loved them.

BTW...my husband is a doc and he says people come into the ER alot by swallowing blades, glass, and other sharp items....so sad:(

Oh my, I knew about cutters but did not know people actually swallowed all that. Awfully sad.

Thanks to all who posted links to the different blade sizes.

[Stella Rose]

I agree.

And I agree that the suicide attempt was lame and just a ploy. Swallow blades, call an ambulance. What she should have done was zip herself into a suitcase and roll into a pond of youknowwhat.

Bravo Amanda! Well played.

[aproudmom]

I apologize. This case has me upset. It doesn't fit the profile so how do we educate people on what to be aware of? Frustrating. I'm tired of our kids being victims. It scares me silly to let my kids out of my sight.

Kitty I think I have said I am sorry a 100 times in the past week or so.. I think it is really getting to a lot of us and we take things wrong..I am just like you so sick of seeing these kids in the news everyday and this is just so horrible how could any normal person not get frustrated..I found myself arguing over hair color last night..I should have just shut up cause it was nothing and then I go back and read my post and they sound rude..we can only say I am sorry so many times..we are all sickened by this IMO...

[happy2bme]

Sorry if this has already been posted, I haven't had time to read the whole thread this morning

http://www.ksbw.com/news/19181500/detail.html

From the link:

Huckaby told a Tracy Press reporter the suitcase was hers but it had been stolen the day Cantu went missing.

"I wish they could have found her a lot sooner, if they would have followed up on this a lot sooner," Huckaby said earlier Friday prior to her arrest.

You can also watch video of Huckaby telling investigators it was an accident at the link.


How is rape an accident? :sneaky:jmo

[both_of_us]

Why swallow blades though? This was before the murder. :confused:

I thought she did it after the murder.

[MoonHarvest]

I thought she did it after the murder.


From what I have read she did.

[femquest]

Hello all. Noticed a few things reading this thread. Sandra's aunt had dyed her hair earlier in the month (for her birthday).. thus the lighter hair. The lighter hair is the current color. Despite reports.. it is not from the sun. Whitehall is the street the irrigation pond the body was found in is on. Another post from a while ago mentioned the time frame as far as ability to commit the crime and dump the body in that amount of time. I live about two minutes from the trailer park. The church to the irrigation pond is about 5 minutes away. Isn't as far as it looks in the map. It is an area where no one really goes. Just farmland. I missed the turn to the freeway once and went in that direction... scary at night.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sandra-cantu-case/ci_12085628?nclick_check=1

Thanks for posting, tajat2002.
I read posts questioning Sandra's hair color in the first hours her picture appeared as a missing child. She did appear as very blonde in one, and a brunette in others. Then I was "away" from the internet a few days. I brought the topic back the other day, curious to know if any explanation appeared about the two hair shades.

Because: after we knew little Sandra had been murdered, the idea of internet porn rings, photos of young children (sexual in nature) who may be drugged and have no memory of it, etc. began appearing and I believed had some credibility. I had the eerie thought that the change to blond hair might have been "encouraged" by MH if she was a trusted friend of both Sandra and her family. Since your post, I can stop connecting the blonde hair with MH, who I'd begun to think encouraged the color change to make Sandra look younger/older, more alluring in photos.

I read several posts saying that "lighting" could account for looking blonde OR looking brunette... I didn't challenge that theory but I raised 4 brunette children whose pictures NEVER made their hair blonde, school pix included.

It surely makes sense if her aunt had changed Sandra's hair color for her birthday. Other posters commented that in California, hispanic girls often change their hair color, as most are brunettes. Blonde hair and brown eyes... Sandra was beautiful!

Sandra's family, reportedly, said the sun had lighted her hair. It's their perfect right to say that... Just here to say why I resurrected the question. For me, your account clears up the confusion I felt.

I did not know til you posted it that WHITEHALL ROAD is the street with the irrigation pond. Thanks and welcome to these boards.

[Dunlurken]

From what I have read she did.

Thanks guys. I thought it was prior to the murder. :blink:

[GentleBreeze]

I apologize. This case has me upset. It doesn't fit the profile so how do we educate people on what to be aware of? Frustrating. I'm tired of our kids being victims. It scares me silly to let my kids out of my sight.

No apology necessary. I just didn't want you to be upset with me.

I tend to think when particular criminal cases happen that we as a society learn from them and this case imo, will be one of them.

For too long now we as a society tend to see a woman as safer and not capable of heinous acts. We tend to accept what they show us is the way they really are when truthfully that may not be the case at all.

I do believe they are countless female sexual predators that are never caught simply because we tend to not include them in the dangerous group and really it is the perfect cover for them. Who really has more ready assess to our child without any questions asked than females? I think this case will show that we must be more vigilant even if the woman appears to be meek, sweet, doting and taking up special time with our children.

While female predators rarely take it to the level of murder unless they are with a male perpetrator, imo they do target vulnerable children under the guise of appearing "motherly" and unfortunately it works all too well for them.

It is such a sad state of affairs that we really can't completely trust anyone. I am sure no one knew what lurked in the mind of Melissa Huckaby. They show the side that benefits them.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

I was just wondering if that interview with Melissa where she talked about the suitcase was captured on video or anywhere else. I've looked through the links and haven't seen anything. Of course, I could have just missed something.

Thanks

[Dunlurken]

Why would you dye an 8 year old child's hair? :confused:

[Newclothes]

Kitty I think I have said I am sorry a 100 times in the past week or so.. I think it is really getting to a lot of us and we take things wrong..I am just like you so sick of seeing these kids in the news everyday and this is just so horrible how could any normal person not get frustrated..I found myself arguing over hair color last night..I should have just shut up cause it was nothing and then I go back and read my post and they sound rude..we can only say I am sorry so many times..we are all sickened by this IMO...

I agree too....This case has me so sick to my stomach. I think about how I cringe when I hear of some of the charges and think Sandra's family must be dying inside :( I want to thank you and all the others who have posted all the links.

I know some lastnight were saying that they do not believe MH raped her. I do believe LE would of never brought those charges up if they did not have proof. I cannot see them do that to the family. That would be heartless:(