Apr. 15 .........(Dominick Dunne's Prediction of the Verdict)

[Joe Friday]

Los Angeles Trials (http://www.LosAngelesTrials.blogspot.com)

[penguin01]

We appreciate the updates. Sorry DD couldn't be there for the verdict, but of course he knew what the outcome would be this time.

[kennedy06]

Thank you for sharing that Joe:smile:

[barskin&co.]

Way to go, Nick!!

[tartangirl]

He still has it...brains and savvy
instincts and so much more. :wub: Thank you for sharing that gem.

~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[dref99]

It seems this is to become our new thread? let me know if I have it wrong - I am easily confused :sad:

I notice that great response to Jami written by Barskin - has not yet been approved on the insession blog. We can still hope

[GPSpector]

Wow, 21 pages sure takes a long time to read.

I appreciate the person that posted the Booking number and the links for information.

I checked and saw that care packages can be bought and the maximum to purchase is $135 per week and of that a little over $18 was left. I guess someone bought him some of those care packages.

I can't imaging why, if it was someone that really knows him. I looked at all the packages and the only thing I saw safe for him was a $10 calling card. All the others were food items and all of those had both high sugar items and HOT & Spicy food products and my father does not eat sugar and does not like HOT & Spicy. I think someone either wasted there money or is trying to make my father very sick.

I noticed that there is no refund policy, so, if the screeners decide not to give him certain items for medical reasons (because he's diabetic), someone just lost a lot of money because you have to buy the full packages, you can't pick & choose the items.

I hope it was not Rachelle, she should know about his diet, likes & dislikes. Maybe my father can trade the items he can't or won't eat, with someone.

Shame, no packs for diabetics or for people with ulcers.

[kennedy06]

Oh you seen the link G! I was looking through that site and noticed the food service so I thought well maybe they give a daily menu but what I found were of all things recipes!!! I can see me know taking a dish somewhere, oh where did you get the recipe oh the LA county jail link LOL!!!

I was surprised at the way the mail has to come in also. I knew there must be a way to see what he eats and orders because of Casey A. people are aware of what she is ordering in jail.

I'm sort of unwinding here, a little bit of mixed emotions to say the least. :smile:

[GPSpector]

Oh you seen the link G! I was looking through that site and noticed the food service so I thought well maybe they give a daily menu but what I found were of all things recipes!!! I can see me know taking a dish somewhere, oh where did you get the recipe oh the LA county jail link LOL!!!

I was surprised at the way the mail has to come in also. I knew there must be a way to see what he eats and orders because of Casey A. people are aware of what she is ordering in jail.

I'm sort of unwinding here, a little bit of mixed emotions to say the least. :smile:

I did not see any menu or recipes, I just saw the items that are in their care packages. I think the cheapest was $10.99 and the most was a little over $53 and 1 $10 Phone card for $10.75 and no additional charges for anything. Thank goodness, they were all already way over priced.

Of course, I had to register an account to see the items. I did not care for what I saw as options. every package was mostly loaded with sugar or spicy snacks, but the beefy roman looked safe in 1 package, everything else in that package would go to waste.

[kennedy06]

I had found this sometime ago, well I guess we can watch it now, it's a sack lunch from the LA cnty jail. Its a little basic and a how to eat fix ones lunch. Umm I don't know if PS likes PBJ, and I'm not trying to be mean here either but I guess you eat the basics in prison. No fancy stocked fridges, fine dining comes in the most basic ways. I'll have to read the comments on there, maybe get a little more information on the daily cuisine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuo6xRpcOtM&feature=PlayList&p=9836283DBF9F12DF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

I enjoyed posting with so many of you, what an experience. I'm not making light of the case or what happen to Lana C. that night, but for people to discuss such a case well you are some of the best. You helped me work my way through some of the more complex issues and evidence and I am grateful. Thank you:smile:

[Ellie]

Gary, I understand your concern. I think that, if this is like the prison CA is in, Phil can have an 'account' and he can order things from the prison commisary (sp?!). I don't know if people can bring him things but I totally understand your being concerned about his health while in prison. I am sure they have to have some sort of program for diabetics, etc.

[kennedy06]

Oh no, I should have posted that jail food link earlier, Phil would know don't eat the apples!:scared:

Oh geesh, I wonder what it is like for him now that he is most likely only getting required medicine for surely he won't live the rest of his life in that stupor he appeared to be in during the verdict.

Great music..... left many peole with some bad memories.

This is a great sounding link, I think PS may have had a hand in producing that song (?). I wonder what PS will think about in the coming days and years. I hope he mellows and reflects and reaches out, I asked an older realtive they said oh they will only get meaner in prison. I don't think so for some reason......I guess time will tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D096OpWiO7A

[dref99]

.. snipped for reply - I didn't much like the idea of that lunch!

I enjoyed posting with so many of you, what an experience. I'm not making light of the case or what happen to Lana C. that night, but for people to discuss such a case well you are some of the best. You helped me work my way through some of the more complex issues and evidence and I am grateful. Thank you:smile:

It has been strange to be posting for so long on the one case. I made a few notes on the main players & what has/may happen - do please agree/disagree as you see it

Gary - we're all hoping things go well for you and Louis.

Looking at the players

Phillip Spector - will spend the rest of his life in gaol. He appears to have been living in a prison of his own making for many years so perhaps things will not be all that different for him, after he becomes accustomed to the routine
Rachelle Spector - will take her payment and find a new life
Donna Clarkson - will return to mourning in private. She will sue Phil Spector because she can, and because she must have some serious legal expenses, but she has still lost her daughter and no amount of money will remove the heartache.
Fern Clarkson - will forever remember the horror of her sister's death, as will all the friends of Lana Clarkson
Judge Fidler - will probably survive with his reputation in tact with never a decision overturned - but the cost, and at times criticism, may have made the one who in Trial 1 seemed infallible, perhaps a little more human to the rest of us. Of all the players, perhaps he was the one most relieved with the verdict.
Alan Jackson - will continue to be seen as a top prosecutor and will add this prosecution to his resume, blaming a "rogue" juror for the original mistrial. He may well end up as a senior legal eagle - DA or Judge perhaps
Truc Do - has furthered her career by being part of the winning team
Doron Weinberg - will continue to be a defense lawyer and complain about justice, judges and prosecutors whenever his clients are found, or likely to be found guilty.
Gary and Louis Spector - will see the man they know as their father sentenced to prison for the murder of Lana Clarkson. We all got to know them, in an internet way, and hope that some of the friends they made and the support that was given will stay with them through the times ahead.
Celebrity Justice - has come at a massive financial cost and a very high emotional cost to all the players. I hope the Justice System can take this on board & treat anyone accused of murder in the same way - regardless of who they are, or where they come from.
Bloggers - the next estate certainly won the media war. The ability to provide a news service, despite the MSM deciding there was no interest and/or it shouldn't be reported - will continue to grow and grow, not only with trial reports but with every conceivable news service. We owe a massive debt to those who invented the WWW and decided it should be free and open to all - and that thought should never be lost.
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/


jmo

[Jayne]

That's what I see him getting...you all listened to the Juror...not only had a gun...not only brandished one...he USED it..

there is nothing here less than 25.

As I see it..but..heck...who knows? huh?

And, I do NOT think that he will get parole...no matter how nicey nice he is.

I want to say I'm sorry for him..his family..the Clarksons. I've done it in other posts.

I want to see him behind bars..for 25 years..no parole...bottom line. I think the LA courts will give that as bottom line..

And...Lana's family? Oh..good lord..there is no recompense..but money..but I hope they get it.

How can you get a "verdict then go ahead" when your daughter has been dead for 6 years?

What do you think they'd do with it? Put up another memorial?

I think they'd put that money into domestic violence...teaching young kids...Hollywood wannabes..to "not go there".."don't go"

jmo

J

[dref99]

Hi Jayne

If the Clarksons get more than what they need to cover what the last many years have cost them - I wonder if they might have a scholarship or whatever for aspiring actresses - to pay for acting classes or similar - it would be really nice if there could be something like that in her memory.


jmo

[GPSpector]

Gary, I understand your concern. I think that, if this is like the prison CA is in, Phil can have an 'account' and he can order things from the prison commisary (sp?!). I don't know if people can bring him things but I totally understand your being concerned about his health while in prison. I am sure they have to have some sort of program for diabetics, etc.

I'm not sure if there's a commissary, but there is a place he can buy the stuff he'll need. I'm sure his meals will be based on his needs (not wants) and that should be fine, but it would have been nice if I did not have to just choose between preselected packages. It would have been nice if I could pick & choose what I wanted in a care packages. I guess their way prevents outsiders from finding out how much they over charge for a pack of Hot & Spicy pork rinds or honey buns.

Of course, their policy is that I can not bring or mail anything that they sell, so no food or mail items like stamps or envelopes, and yes, no glitter (I guess a chocking hazard).

[hiitsme]

You have just encapsulated my feelings about the "players" during this long arduous trial. There are winners and losers here and rightfully so. Our justice system will continue to have it's ups and downs, but I do believe that a lesson or two has been learned from this ordeal. I hope we cross paths again in our mutual quest for justice.

[kennedy06]

I think a lot of the mail requirements has to do with drugs, the stamps and so forth. When you watch these prison shows like Lockup, someone like ourselves can only be amazed at what people will try to send to prisoners and in the manner in which they wil try.

[Jayne]

Hi Jayne

If the Clarksons get more than what they need to cover what the last many years have cost them - I wonder if they might have a scholarship or whatever for aspiring actresses - to pay for acting classes or similar - it would be really nice if there could be something like that in her memory.


jmo


Dref..there are plenty..they just need to pick the correct one.. Perhaps pick the college or study place Lana went to..set up a scholarship fund. I'd recommend a CommunityCollege in LA area...whichever one they might think best. But..BUT..if they have enough money, they could start up their own company...that is scholarship based...you apply..you get..for whatever college you are in...IF an actor/actress. That probably costs more, don't know.

If it were my family...I'd talk to Meryl Streep...or some others. They came up from "nothing" and they MADE IT. That is where Lana's DOLLARS should go, imo.

j

[kennedy06]

Dreff, I agree with most of your thoughts. Chelle, I sort of see her wanting to stay in the limelight in some way, I don't know why but I just do. I will admit I am a little suprised that the media didn't really show any interest after the verdict either, at least so far. I had thought maybe a movie might be made about his life good or bad. I don't know enough, hardly anything to take a guess on the Clarkson family. I do think with attorney's present so often throughout both trials the final check written after any settlement maybe much less then one may suspect.

[nsm]

what happens to all his money? Does his wife have free reign with it? He will be gone for a LONG time.

[bearwds]

If any cash left over, perhaps an annuity could be set up and administered by some entity like The National Press Association to administer grants to bloggers to cover trials.

If left to MSM, very little of this trial would be known outside of Courtroom 106.


bearwds

[eagleeer]

Oh no, I should have posted that jail food link earlier, Phil would know don't eat the apples!:scared:

Oh geesh, I wonder what it is like for him now that he is most likely only getting required medicine for surely he won't live the rest of his life in that stupor he appeared to be in during the verdict.

Great music..... left many peole with some bad memories.

This is a great sounding link, I think PS may have had a hand in producing that song (?). I wonder what PS will think about in the coming days and years. I hope he mellows and reflects and reaches out, I asked an older realtive they said oh they will only get meaner in prison. I don't think so for some reason......I guess time will tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D096OpWiO7A

Instant Karma was indeed produced by Phil Spector. You can definitely hear the Wall of Sound in that recording.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_Karma!

[vonna]

Instant Karma was indeed produced by Phil Spector. You can definitely hear the Wall of Sound in that recording.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_Karma!

In an article in the Los Angeles Times today, Whineberg is quoted as saying he needed "principled people" on the jury to stand by their convictions. He was concerned by this jury being as harmonious as they were. He also said that a hung jury was the best he could hope for. This from an article by Harriet Ryan.

[eagleeer]

In an article in the Los Angeles Times today, Whineberg is quoted as saying he needed "principled people" on the jury to stand by their convictions. He was concerned by this jury being as harmonious as they were. He also said that a hung jury was the best he could hope for. This from an article by Harriet Ryan.

Curious words on his part "principled people". It is said be careful what you ask for. Ins't that exactly what he got were principled people who did stand by their convictions no matter how painful it may have been for those jurors? That pain was surely demonstrated by the Jury foreperson in her interview.

[hiitsme]

In an article in the Los Angeles Times today, Whineberg is quoted as saying he needed "principled people" on the jury to stand by their convictions. He was concerned by this jury being as harmonious as they were. He also said that a hung jury was the best he could hope for. This from an article by Harriet Ryan.

Wow, so contrary to my thoughts. After an inordinate amount of silence, I thought trouble was brewing, totally opposite to harmony. After listening to the foreperson after the verdict, I would have called them "principled people" who who thoroughly evaluated the evidence and unanimously and confidently reached the same conclusion, beyond a reasonable doubt. Whineberg professed his client to be innocent, yet he anticipated a hung jury?

[coinoutlet]

Wow, so contrary to my thoughts. After an inordinate amount of silence, I thought trouble was brewing, totally opposite to harmony. After listening to the foreperson after the verdict, I would have called them "principled people" who who thoroughly evaluated the evidence and unanimously and confidently reached the same conclusion, beyond a reasonable doubt. Whineberg professed his client to be innocent, yet he anticipated a hung jury?

Is there a link to this article?...TY

[vonna]

Wow, so contrary to my thoughts. After an inordinate amount of silence, I thought trouble was brewing, totally opposite to harmony. After listening to the foreperson after the verdict, I would have called them "principled people" who who thoroughly evaluated the evidence and unanimously and confidently reached the same conclusion, beyond a reasonable doubt. Whineberg professed his client to be innocent, yet he anticipated a hung jury?

According to the article, the jury consultant for the prosecution steered away from anyone who seemed "persnickety" or seemed a "loner." No doubt anyone who resembled BenTen, who, I'm sure has become the prototype for whom NOT to seat.

[hiitsme]

Is there a link to this article?...TY

I was just responding to Vonna's post which indicated the article was in today's LA paper. Sorry that I don't have a link.

[hiitsme]

According to the article, the jury consultant for the prosecution steered away from anyone who seemed "persnickety" or seemed a "loner." No doubt anyone who resembled BenTen, who, I'm sure has become the prototype for whom NOT to seat.

Makes perfect sense to me and I guess the defense didn't have a problem with the seated jury either. Sour grapes?

[eagleeer]

Link to Harriet Ryan article about the jury.

"The first trial had those "very strong and principled people," but the second case did not, the lawyer said.:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

[vonna]

Makes perfect sense to me and I guess the defense didn't have a problem with the seated jury either. Sour grapes?

According to the article, the defense also was aware though, of course, they didn't know which way the jury would unanimously lean. The jurors seemed to bond - they were like a family. When one had a cold - another handed over a cough drop - one example that was given. I'm just sorry I couldn't have cut and pasted the article - but the rules don't permit.

[vonna]

Link to Harriet Ryan article about the jury.

"The first trial had those "very strong and principled people," but the second case did not, the lawyer said.:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

Thanks. I don't know how to do that.

[eagleeer]

"Weinberg said that some jurors struck him in jury selection as being particularly open to the defense but that the dishes of shared food and the budding friendships were not fertile ground for individual jurors to reject the majority view."

You helped pick them Weinberg. You can't have it both ways. When will you stop whinning and take your medicine like a big boy? arrrgh

[cherylt]

I would LOVE to see DD do an episode on this case but I know he hasn't done a new "Power, Privilege,.." in a couple years. Hopefully, he can put one together. I would SOOO tune in for that. I still remember when DD ran into PS in the bathroom & no one else was around. And that PS was blaming DD for stating his opinions re: guilt to the media.

Pretty cool - autograph AND prediction... DD is so awesome!

[tartangirl]

Thanks. I don't know how to do that.

I saw your post asking about withdrawal. Since that thread is closed I hope you do not mind me bringing my answer here. Yes is my answer. Soon it will be two years since I first heard about this case and saw all on courttv. I was hooked and still am to this day. The sentencing will bring about a finality of sorts. While that is good I will miss knowing the doings
of some of the main characters. The good ones like the prosecutors I hope are now resting and freeing their big brains for a good long time. The sons will be here again I hope. The male lead, pretty much know where he will be for awhile. Lana I hope is at peace and the Clarksons will be working on that same feeling soon too. It would be impossible to forget the feelings I have had about this case. Anger, frustration, hope, faith, pride in the prosecution and elation at the verdict. Joy is not a good feeling when it involves so much sadness to begin with. I am afraid that will all hang around for a little bit yet. :smile:

Justice feels mighty fine though, does it not?

pm me or email me and we can go over how to bring any link just where you want it to be...:wink:

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[Anakerie]

Apparently Rachelle is a bit desperate now according to Michelle B. on her blog... Mass emails looking for "support" and help to free her hubby? lol

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/2009/04/rachelle-unbelievable.html

From what Michelle says in the post, Rachelle doesn't really have access to much of anything of Phil's... Looks like she's either got to get Phil out of prison or go to work... Work? Oh boy.. :wink:

[cherylt]

Link to Harriet Ryan article about the jury.

"The first trial had those "very strong and principled people," but the second case did not, the lawyer said.:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story


I would like to say "unbelievable!" but I figured he would say stuff like that. So the 1st jury was "principled" but not the 2nd? So the 10-11 jurors who were going for G in Trial 1 are OK because 1 or 2 jurors held their "ground" and said NG? THIS jury is not "principaled"? The foreperson cried & said it had nothing to do w/ Mr. Whineberg, that he was "awesome". IMO, he should stay QUIET if he even hopes to get the appeal looked at. UGH! :cursing:

[Dexter]

I am allowing for the possibility that something I consider rational might have appeared, that's all. No need to feel elated. That's MY opinion.

I can assure you... nothing rational might have appeared. ;)

[eagleeer]

Ooooh, so Raven Rachelle wants to expose Fidler? For what? She wants others to do interviews? Where? No one has been covering Phil the has been. A matter of life or death?

Can't wait the judge to get wind of this and Lana's family sue her. In fact I think the authorities should take her computer and they'll find all sorts of illegal activities, including harassment of Sprocket. What a wingnut!

I guess that Rahelle has forgotten that Judge Fidler still has the power over Phil. This isn't going to help when he is sentenced. Good Lord, this woman can't be playing with a full deck.

[kennedy06]

Well there is an attorney with confidence in his client. so pay me and the best you can hope for his a hung jury basically?????:

"The visceral parts of this case are really too strong to allow an acquittal, so it's really a case that should end in a hung jury. But you need people who will stand by their principles," Weinberg said.

From Harriet R. article in the LA times, link above.

[tartangirl]

I guess that Rahelle has forgotten that Judge Fidler still has the power over Phil. This isn't going to help when he is sentenced. Good Lord, this woman can't be playing with a full deck.


NOT a full deck, but it sounds like she is definitely playing with an empty wallet..


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[vonna]

NOT a full deck, but it sounds like she is definitely playing with an empty wallet..


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.

[vonna]

I guess that Rahelle has forgotten that Judge Fidler still has the power over Phil. This isn't going to help when he is sentenced. Good Lord, this woman can't be playing with a full deck.

Glad to see the proper spelling of her name!!!

[eagleeer]

Gosh!!!, and someone told me that members of this board are friendly and caring. That they also like sharing information and welcome opinions. Well, that is all I was doing. Sharing information about a CTV Host I respect. I guess you do not feel the same about Jami. In my opinion thats too bad.

Gosh!!!, maybe you should share your information without inflaming the posters on this board. You know very well that Jami Floyd is not one of the favorite CTV hosts here. For you to stick your opinion in our face is flaming the thread. Don't think for a minute that we do not know that you have been here before using a different nic. Play nice, this is a friendly and caring board. If that is too much to ask of you then may I suggest that you move on to a more comfortable place for you.

[eagleeer]

Glad to see the proper spelling of her name!!!

Smarty pants, leave it to you to catch my typo. :laugh:

[Anakerie]

The thing I find funny about that scream for help from Rachelle is that she is asking everyone on her "support Phil" team to "Do interviews for as many TV, radio and internet sites as possible; write letters to the president, the governor of California, councilmen/women...to everyone and anyone that will listen!!!"

The funny part is that 99% of the main stream media didn't care what happened to Phil in the retrial... The day the verdict came in, sure, there were lots of mentions of the guilty verdict. But did anyone see Rachelle's face on the news reports? And in the days after "guilty-verdict" day, how many mentions of Phil Spector has anyone seen in the newspapers or on the TV? Plus, how many of those "supporters" that she's begging for support have recognizable names that the media would even listen to? Rachelle seems to be unhappy that her gravy-train/sugar-daddy isn't going to be her support system anymore...

[hiitsme]

NOT a full deck, but it sounds like she is definitely playing with an empty wallet..


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Doesn't it all go back to Spector's view of women? Rachelle may have been duped big time. Oh my, I guess it's true that what goes around comes around. A pity that counsel for team Spector have jumped ship for now. Says a lot for the Mrs., huh?

[bearwds]

Harriet Ryan wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story[/QUOTE]

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"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


Now, I had to read that statement a couple of times. What was he saying..?? That if you were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, you were being led by the prosecution..??

Besides gobblygook, am I missing something here..??


bearwds

[vonna]

Harriet Ryan wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

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"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg



bearwds[/QUOTE]

snipped

That's not the scenario the Foreperson outlined.

[cherylt]

Hasn't she gotten in trouble before by bashing the Judge online? She's thick and thinks she is above the law. Full deck? She knows what she is doing. She's arrogant and sneaky. She wants to dredge up dirt on a dead woman. Oh no, I will do what I can to make sure that doesn't happen. No doubt someone alerted the Judge already. Since this isn't her first offense, what can happen to her legally?


Can you please toss me a link? I'm sorry if it was posted b4, can't seem to find it. I want to be able to see her sh*t fit... If she is talking bad about Fidler, are we talking slander charges?

Dum, dee, dum, dum, dum!

[oodi]

Harriet Ryan wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

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"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


Now, I had to read that statement a couple of times. What was he saying..?? That if you were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, you were being led by the prosecution..??

Besides gobblygook, am I missing something here..??


bearwds[/QUOTE]

Either being led by the prosecution or by other jurors. He sure didn't waste any time before he started bashing the jury.

[coinoutlet]

I guess that Rahelle has forgotten that Judge Fidler still has the power over Phil. This isn't going to help when he is sentenced. Good Lord, this woman can't be playing with a full deck.

I would think she realizes that weather he gets 18 yrs (min possible) or life plus 10 years ( max) makes little difference at his age....IMO

[hiitsme]

[QUOTE=vonna



That's not the scenario the Foreperson outlined.[/QUOTE]

You are so right Vonna. Not one individual or individuals were cited as having said anything remotely to that effect. She spoke collectively for a very cohesive group that deliberated and came to the same, conclusion. Any one of them, at any time, could have expressed concern over their deliberation process and we heard NOTHING whatsoever.

[cherylt]

[QUOTE=Anakerie;13009943]The thing I find funny about that scream for help from Rachelle is that she is asking everyone on her "support Phil" team to "Do interviews for as many TV, radio and internet sites as possible; write letters to the president, the governor of California, councilmen/women...to everyone and anyone that will listen!!!"

QUOTE]


She IS a whack job! Maybe it's part of her payment agreement to still fight for him on the outside while he can't on the inside. Wonder how long she has to try, per the contract. :)

Anyone else see the button PS was sporting on Verdict day? (at least I think that was the day). He had an "Pres Obama Rocks" button on. GEEZ! Is he truly expecting a presidential pardon for wearing that button?! :laugh:

[eagleeer]

Can you please toss me a link? I'm sorry if it was posted b4, can't seem to find it. I want to be able to see her sh*t fit... If she is talking bad about Fidler, are we talking slander charges?

Dum, dee, dum, dum, dum!

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/2009/04/rachelle-unbelievable.html

[cherylt]

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"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


Now, I had to read that statement a couple of times. What was he saying..?? That if you were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, you were being led by the prosecution..??

Besides gobblygook, am I missing something here..??


bearwds

Either being led by the prosecution or by other jurors. He sure didn't waste any time before he started bashing the jury.[/QUOTE]


You are not missing a thing! It is gobblygook... Even though the foreperson said it had nothing to do w/ his abilities and that GUILTY is where the evidence led them, he still has to complain. I know I've said it b4, but he really should be quiet & not speak anymore. He isn't doing PS any favors by bashing the jury and the judge/court system.

BTW - should we start a new thread since we mostly aren't talking about DD anymore?

[oodi]

Either being led by the prosecution or by other jurors. He sure didn't waste any time before he started bashing the jury.


You are not missing a thing! It is gobblygook... Even though the foreperson said it had nothing to do w/ his abilities and that GUILTY is where the evidence led them, he still has to complain. I know I've said it b4, but he really should be quiet & not speak anymore. He isn't doing PS any favors by bashing the jury and the judge/court system.

BTW - should we start a new thread since we mostly aren't talking about DD anymore?[/QUOTE]

I dunno... what is the procedure around here? Will they leave this section open until after the sentencing? If so, then we probably should.

[wasapi]

O.K., a few things.

In the past I followed one other case from beginning to end, and I must say that this is truely the finest group of posters I've ever seen. During some of the slow times of PS's trial#1 and #2, I've checked out a few other forums covering criminal cases, and it only made me appreciate everyone here even more. I don't know why, but we just all seemed to have good chemistry. With the exception of a very few posters here, everyone has been respectful, informed and considerate. Sometimes even funny, which is a good stress reducer.

Also, I feel we were really very lucky to have Gary and Louis amongst us. They are truely fine gentlemen and great posters. I admidt that many times I cringed when I read some of the things that were said about their father. It couldn't have been easy reading for them at times and I wouldn't have faulted them if they had decided to leave, but they stayed with. Which to me is just another example of what gracious gentlemen they are. I believe there were times when posters forgot that the man they were talking about is their father, and that they love him.

I believe this may have been asked and answered so I apologize, but does anyone know when the civil trial will begin?

I too wonder how long it will take for Rachelle to fade into the background. My guess is that it won't take long. Perhaps I am misjudging her, but I have never seen her as a sincere stand-by-my-man, in sickness and health, for richer or poorer, kind of woman. Welcome to the real world Rachelle.

O.K., I've rambled on enough!

[oodi]

O.K., a few things.

In the past I followed one other case from beginning to end, and I must say that this is truely the finest group of posters I've ever seen. During some of the slow times of PS's trial#1 and #2, I've checked out a few other forums covering criminal cases, and it only made me appreciate everyone here even more. I don't know why, but we just all seemed to have good chemistry. With the exception of a very few posters here, everyone has been respectful, informed and considerate. Sometimes even funny, which is a good stress reducer.

Also, I feel we were really very lucky to have Gary and Louis amongst us. They are truely fine gentlemen and great posters. I admidt that many times I cringed when I read some of the things that were said about their father. It couldn't have been easy reading for them at times and I wouldn't have faulted them if they had decided to leave, but they stayed with. Which to me is just another example of what gracious gentlemen they are. I believe there were times when posters forgot that the man they were talking about is their father, and that they love him.

I believe this may have been asked and answered so I apologize, but does anyone know when the civil trial will begin?

I too wonder how long it will take for Rachelle to fade into the background. My guess is that it won't take long. Perhaps I am misjudging her, but I have never seen her as a sincere stand-by-my-man, in sickness and health, for richer or poorer, kind of woman. Welcome to the real world Rachelle.

O.K., I've rambled on enough!

I totally agree! This has been a great group and a fun group.

As for the civil trial, there is a hearing on Friday morning. It says it's a "Further Status Conference" whatever that means.

[cherylt]

Smarty pants, leave it to you to catch my typo. :laugh:

Maybe poster was referring the "he!!" part of the spelling? Freudian slip perhaps? j/k :)

I just pm'd u so nevermind that pm. I see the thread was renamed..

[bearwds]

As long as we are waxing poetically about the good folks that contributed to this Board, I would like to note the remarkable input from diverse sources.

Being faced with an almost complete shutdown of news, an ad hoc group pulled together and provided an even more incisive understanding than the first trial.

Nothing beats seeing it for yourself and I'm really outraged that what is being done in a courtroom, in our name, should be hamstrung like in the middle ages.

Justice committed in our name needs to be seen in the light.


bearwds

[Ellie]

I second what Wasapi said. I've been here with you all (kept the same dress, though some of you have changed clothes! LOL! :wink:) for over 2 years now and feel like I've gotten to know you a bit. It's been a pleasure, I will say that, and I wish that we could all do this again together--- maybe for a different case.

[Jayne]

Harriet Ryan wrote:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

*********************************

"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


Now, I had to read that statement a couple of times. What was he saying..?? That if you were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, you were being led by the prosecution..??

Besides gobblygook, am I missing something here..??


bearwds[/QUOTE]

If YOU are...so am I.

People who thought the evidence wasn't there.....Hmmmm Jury...Tabula Rasa...

"If you were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt, you were being led by the prosecution? " Hmmm....another one. WHO HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF? AHA..the Prosecution? THINK?? THAT is THEIR JOB. To prove Beyond a Reasonable Doubt...I think..maybe one (Weinberg??) could agree..it is their JOB to LEAD to that conclusion?

What...should we do....now change the evidence laws so Weinberg can have the Burden of Proof on his (defense) side - as in guilty until proven innocent? I don't think that would ever happen...we'd be living in the middle ages.

YEP...bearwds...what are you (and I) missing??

[Anakerie]

Many thanks for the mcontrol link. I found the RS e-mail interesting but not surprising. Methinks that this is part of the "business arrangement" of the so-called marriage. I'm sure we will see "FREE PHIL" t-shirts soon.

We should counter with "GO AJ" t-shirts. I'll wear one! :biggrinjester:

Now for the stupid question of the day: is "mcontrol" Michelle? The same Michelle who was Spector's assistant?

If so, then she's have one h*ll-of-a-book to write.

Which brings me to: Who will write the True Crime book on this one?
When will TRU TV make an episode on it and in what venue? Forensic files? Arrest and Trial? Or maybe A&E will put it on one of their "Crime Shows?

Fun to contemplate, if only because it is OVER and now we can contemplate these things.

Jester
Answering the bolded line... Yes, mcontrol is Michelle Blaine, Phil's former assistant...

I've got no answers for the rest.. lol..

[vonna]

Answering the bolded line... Yes, mcontrol is Michelle Blaine, Phil's former assistant...

I've got no answers for the rest.. lol..

Yes, the posters here have been remarkably harmonious. Wonder what Whineberg would have to say about us?

[cherylt]

Yes, the posters here have been remarkably harmonious. Wonder what Whineberg would have to say about us?


LOL - maybe that out group is involved in a "conspiracy" against him?

But really, who cares what he has to say about us? To use Baez's words, we are just the part of the "forces that are out to get his client." :laugh:

And, well, we know what we think about HIM and his CLIENT. Also, the jury agrees with us!

[Anakerie]

Yes, the posters here have been remarkably harmonious. Wonder what Whineberg would have to say about us?
LOL.. I'm sure that anything Whineberg would have to say about us wouldn't be "nice"...

There have been a lot of great folks on this board... From PS1 to now..

[True2Blues]

NOT a full deck, but it sounds like she is definitely playing with an empty wallet..


~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


:lol: Time to reap what she has sown.

[True2Blues]

LOL - maybe that out group is involved in a "conspiracy" against him?

But really, who cares what he has to say about us? To use Baez's words, we are just the part of the "forces that are out to get his client." :laugh:

And, well, we know what we think about HIM and his CLIENT. Also, the jury agrees with us!

I couldn't agree more. Look at the way he acts and the things he has done. Is that a person whose opinion you'd care about? Nope, me either.

[vonna]

"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


i am so glad I am not the only confused person.



as far as RS playing with a full deck.... methinks she is playing solitaire with a lot of missing cards...... or is she playing uno all alone.....

i say pretty soon, just play old maid..... or poker, yeah that kind.

ok, i think i had too much sugar from leftover Easter candy today...

If Rachelle needs money - she could always offer herself as a stand-in for a younger Camilla Parker Bowles.

[oodi]

"The people who thought the evidence wasn't there, allowed themselves to be convinced"---Weinberg


i am so glad I am not the only confused person.



as far as RS playing with a full deck.... methinks she is playing solitaire with a lot of missing cards...... or is she playing uno all alone.....

i say pretty soon, just play old maid..... or poker, yeah that kind.

ok, i think i had too much sugar from leftover Easter candy today...

You had leftover candy, and didn't share???? :flamemad: ;)

[kennedy06]

What a link I have just come across. This guy was friends with Lana. Looks like Jann and I had the same song in mind, the one I linked to this morning, wow...watch clip 2 all the way to the end it seems like it ends but he comes back on with JF.

I wonder if he was the commenter I posted about this morning that had made a short comment on a music blog yesterday about working with Lana....I deleted it not long after I posted it thinking it was insignificant, but now I wonder. Could he be in the civil trial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNDg6bpguA&feature=related

This guy makes so much sense, so now we have an idea of why she may have gone. I wonder if he was on the witness list for PS2?

[dref99]

You have just encapsulated my feelings about the "players" during this long arduous trial. There are winners and losers here and rightfully so. Our justice system will continue to have it's ups and downs, but I do believe that a lesson or two has been learned from this ordeal. I hope we cross paths again in our mutual quest for justice.

I think the "celebrity" initially drew me to this trial - despite I had not a clue who was Phil Spector at the time. Then I got well caught in the legal aspects. This all dissolved, however into utter amazement that such an "obvious" murder could become such a media circus with people actually giving credence to a defense of suicide. To then see that circus dissolve was so revealing in how the media itself operates.

I do hope there is another case that can define the legal system in so many different ways. I don't see child murders in this light - perhaps I am not a "true trial addict" - but I also hope we all find another place to meet. If you find such a new trial hiitsme - do please let me know.

Meanwhile, we still have to hear Judge Fidler's words at sentencing. That is when I would really like to be in the courtroom. I rather hope Rachelle is present to hear loudly and clearly the reality of the man she chose to support.

jmo

[vonna]

I think the "celebrity" initially drew me to this trial - despite I had not a clue who was Phil Spector at the time. Then I got well caught in the legal aspects. This all dissolved, however into utter amazement that such an "obvious" murder could become such a media circus with people actually giving credence to a defense of suicide. To then see that circus dissolve was so revealing in how the media itself operates.

I do hope there is another case that can define the legal system in so many different ways. I don't see child murders in this light - perhaps I am not a "true trial addict" - but I also hope we all find another place to meet. If you find such a new trial hiitsme - do please let me know.

Meanwhile, we still have to hear Judge Fidler's words at sentencing. That is when I would really like to be in the courtroom. I rather hope Rachelle is present to hear loudly and clearly the reality of the man she chose to support.

jmo

Like many others, I had not even heard the name Phil Spector before Lana's murder - so there was no "celebrity" connection for me. There was just a desire to see justice for a beautiful, young woman who never had the opportunity to be 69-years-old.

[wasapi]

What a link I have just come across. This guy was friends with Lana. Looks like Jann and I had the same song in mind, the one I linked to this morning, wow...watch clip 2 all the way to the end it seems like it ends but he comes back on with JF.

I wonder if he was the commenter I posted about this morning that had made a short comment on a music blog yesterday about working with Lana....I deleted it not long after I posted it thinking it was insignificant, but now I wonder. Could he be in the civil trial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNDg6bpguA&feature=related

This guy makes so much sense, so now we have an idea of why she may have gone. I wonder if he was on the witness list for PS2?


Oh, you are so correct Kennedy. What an interesting interview. Everything he says makes so much sense. I would like to know why the prosecution never called him to testify in either trial. He could have made Pie even more of an embarrasment then she made of herself, and would have made a perfect rebutal wittness for several reasons. He has Pie's number, and speaks eloquently as he shows her to be the fake friend that she was. And he is so spot-on about depression, and how Lana was certainly NOT depressed that evening.

[kennedy06]

I know Wasapi, it's kind of jaw dropping isn't it. I clicked his channel, he has a large video box of himself playing the guitar, he is a very talented man, even PS would probably have been impressed. He could have posted those 2 interview clips anytime I would think, but he waited to the trial was over. Maybe trying to be conscious of not causing any problems for the 2nd trial maybe???

[wasapi]

I think the "celebrity" initially drew me to this trial - despite I had not a clue who was Phil Spector at the time. Then I got well caught in the legal aspects. This all dissolved, however into utter amazement that such an "obvious" murder could become such a media circus with people actually giving credence to a defense of suicide. To then see that circus dissolve was so revealing in how the media itself operates.

I do hope there is another case that can define the legal system in so many different ways. I don't see child murders in this light - perhaps I am not a "true trial addict" - but I also hope we all find another place to meet. If you find such a new trial hiitsme - do please let me know.

Meanwhile, we still have to hear Judge Fidler's words at sentencing. That is when I would really like to be in the courtroom. I rather hope Rachelle is present to hear loudly and clearly the reality of the man she chose to support.

jmo

Dref, though I knew who PS was and had been a fan of his music, I wasn't initially drawn into the case because of any celebrity status, I hadn't even thought of the man in several years. But like you, I was intriqued by the legalities of the case.

I wonder if at sentencing the judge allows people to speak of the victim impact that they have had to endure since Lana's death. And, if anyone will be allowed to speak on the defendent's behalf.

Perhaps someone with more legal knowledge then I have can answer.

[dref99]

What a link I have just come across. This guy was friends with Lana. Looks like Jann and I had the same song in mind, the one I linked to this morning, wow...watch clip 2 all the way to the end it seems like it ends but he comes back on with JF.

I wonder if he was the commenter I posted about this morning that had made a short comment on a music blog yesterday about working with Lana....I deleted it not long after I posted it thinking it was insignificant, but now I wonder. Could he be in the civil trial?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NNDg6bpguA&feature=related

This guy makes so much sense, so now we have an idea of why she may have gone. I wonder if he was on the witness list for PS2?

It did seem that the prosecution had all the witnesses they wanted, and more, to support the fact that Lana was not depressed. Using Mrs Clarkson as their witness to this initially, I think showed another amazing move by the prosecution - the jury would surely not be impressed by a hard cross examination of the victim's mother.

In rebuttal, Lisa Bloom being media savvy and well able to hold her own in legal debate was also a wonderful choice. As mentioned by Sprocket, many of Lana's friends were on the witness list but were not used. I think this turned the trial into an issue of "fact" rather than "feelings" of depression or happiness or anything else.

Was it possible that #10 did pass on his views to the prosecution that he so wanted to give them? and What did happen to punkin pie? are a couple of questions that I wonder about.


jmo

[vonna]

It did seem that the prosecution had all the witnesses they wanted, and more, to support the fact that Lana was not depressed. Using Mrs Clarkson as their witness to this initially, I think showed another amazing move by the prosecution - the jury would surely not be impressed by a hard cross examination of the victim's mother.

In rebuttal, Lisa Bloom being media savvy and well able to hold her own in legal debate was also a wonderful choice. As mentioned by Sprocket, many of Lana's friends were on the witness list but were not used. I think this turned the trial into an issue of "fact" rather than "feelings" of depression or happiness or anything else.

Was it possible that #10 did pass on his views to the prosecution that he so wanted to give them? and What did happen to punkin pie? are a couple of questions that I wonder about.


jmo


Since I don't believe any argument would have swayed BenTen - I doubt that he would have had anything to say that AJ wanted to hear. They simply steered clear of selecting anyone for the jury remotely resembling him.

[GPSpector]

Apparently Rachelle is a bit desperate now according to Michelle B. on her blog... Mass emails looking for "support" and help to free her hubby? lol

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/2009/04/rachelle-unbelievable.html

From what Michelle says in the post, Rachelle doesn't really have access to much of anything of Phil's... Looks like she's either got to get Phil out of prison or go to work... Work? Oh boy.. :wink:

Odd, does not seem MASS enough. I never received a request for help from her. Maybe someone should reminder her that my father really had sons that really do care.


The word clueless comes to mind.

[dref99]

Since I don't believe any argument would have swayed BenTen - I doubt that he would have had anything to say that AJ wanted to hear. They simply steered clear of selecting anyone for the jury remotely resembling him.

#10's view - weird as it was - said there was reasonable doubt. The only thing that a reasonable (or unreasonable) person could see as doubt, would have to relate to suicide, which needed Lana's mental state to be considered.

By removing (as much as possible) Lana's mental state from the trial, the prosecution removed this source of doubt. If I had been the prosecutor & #10 was willing to say why he saw doubt, I would have been listening.

jmo

[dref99]

Odd, does not seem MASS enough. I never received a request for help from her. Maybe someone should reminder her that my father really had sons that really do care.


The word clueless comes to mind.

Gary - I don't think she has ever wanted assistance from someone who may threaten her control or right to anything related to her husband/your father.

The folks she is asking for help will fade away so quickly she will wonder if they ever existed.

jmo

[cherylt]

Since I don't believe any argument would have swayed BenTen - I doubt that he would have had anything to say that AJ wanted to hear. They simply steered clear of selecting anyone for the jury remotely resembling him.


I agree; #10 would not bend on anything. The other holdout said, "if only we had some video". And I think #9 said "then we probably wouldn't be here!"...

I, like many of you, had never heard of PS b4 either. I was drawn in real quick though, CTV had a lot more charm then. They even had a PS blog right off the main page and that is where I posted. I didn't even know about this board then. As I heard more & more facts, I found it fascinating and it was one of the 1st trials that really turned me into a trial addict. Throw AJ into the mix, and that was it for me - totally involved. It is so great to see justice was finally done, after a little more than half a decade!

(6 darn YEARS that man has escaped prison walls. Well, he is now well into day 3...and counting) :)

[cherylt]

Odd, does not seem MASS enough. I never received a request for help from her. Maybe someone should reminder her that my father really had sons that really do care.


The word clueless comes to mind.


Yah, methinks that is a good word to describe her. Also thoughtless and self-involved, from what I can tell.

BTW - great interview! It was good to hear your voice and your own take on things. BRAVO!!

I hope you are doing OK; I don't know how hard it has been for you to hear the verdict, but I certainly wish you all the best...

[cherylt]

#10's view - weird as it was - said there was reasonable doubt. The only thing that a reasonable (or unreasonable) person could see as doubt, would have to relate to suicide, which needed Lana's mental state to be considered.

By removing (as much as possible) Lana's mental state from the trial, the prosecution removed this source of doubt. If I had been the prosecutor & #10 was willing to say why he saw doubt, I would have been listening.

jmo


Didn't he say something to the Pros re: they should have done a "psychological autopsy" or something like that? I think that was one thing he may have mentioned.

[vonna]

Didn't he say something to the Pros re: they should have done a "psychological autopsy" or something like that? I think that was one thing he may have mentioned.

I believe so - and that way he could have filled 13 steno pads instead of only 12.

[cherylt]

Gary - I don't think she has ever wanted assistance from someone who may threaten her control or right to anything related to her husband/your father.

The folks she is asking for help will fade away so quickly she will wonder if they ever existed.

jmo


Good point! She wouldn't want anyone to challenge any control she may have. She sure is a piece of .... work!

[cherylt]

I believe so - and that way he could have filled 13 steno pads instead of only 12.

ROFL! True... I always thought if he would put the darn pen DOWN and actually watch the witnesses once in a while, he may have gotten the gist of the prosecution's case... then again, probably not. :)

[dref99]

Link to Harriet Ryan article about the jury.

"The first trial had those "very strong and principled people," but the second case did not, the lawyer said.:


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-spector15-2009apr15,0,2261544.story

Mr Weinberg just can't help insulting anyone who disagrees with him - I had to use a dictionary to check this one

The visceral parts of this case are really too strong to allow an acquittal

visceral - characterized by or proceeding from instinct rather than intellect - characterized by or dealing with coarse or base emotions
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/visceral

So, we (and the jury) - the ordinary people - think he is guilty because of instinct, because of coarse or base emotions - not intellect.

What utter rubbish - he is guilty because of the facts of the matter - Every intellectual thought I have says Lana Clarkson did not commit suicide, and there is only one alternative remaining.

The man likes to insult, thinking most that are being insulted will not notice. If I am unsure of the meaning of a word, especially in a popular press report, I usually suspect an ulterior motive for why it was used.


jmo

[vonna]

Mr Weinberg just can't help insulting anyone who disagrees with him - I had to use a dictionary to check this one

The visceral parts of this case are really too strong to allow an acquittal

visceral - characterized by or proceeding from instinct rather than intellect - characterized by or dealing with coarse or base emotions
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/visceral

So, we (and the jury) - the ordinary people - think he is guilty because of instinct, because of coarse or base emotions - not intellect.

What utter rubbish - he is guilty because of the facts of the matter - Every intellectual thought I have says Lana Clarkson did not commit suicide, and there is only one alternative remaining.

The man likes to insult, thinking most that are being insulted will not notice. If I am unsure of the meaning of a word, especially in a popular press report, I usually suspect an ulterior motive for why it was used.


jmo

DW's problem was not the 5 PBA witnesses - on which he bases the appeal - it was the fact that there were rational people impaneled. There was no bonehead this time. The facts remained the same. There is reasonable doubt about DW's sanity but none about the fact that Lana died at Spector's hand.

[oodi]

Odd, does not seem MASS enough. I never received a request for help from her. Maybe someone should reminder her that my father really had sons that really do care.


The word clueless comes to mind.

Gary,

I know you have said that you didn't want or expect anything from your father, but I would really hate to see you and your siblings denied what is rightfully yours to a brainless twit like that. JMO

[tartangirl]

Back from being out and about and now reading the thread with our many good thoughts tonight. I have been wondering about Adriano De Souza. Is he still here, and if so where? Adriano was such a big part of this trial with his common sense and brave ways of staying true to what he saw that morning. I say thank the stars it was Adriano as the driver that night. Someday I will think a little bit more about what could have happened were it someone else with less scruples. True to his own dedicated sense of right and wrong, I will always remember him and what he did that morning. What he said to that 911 operator was a linchpin to the case forever more to be repeated. To be remembered by all, including the convict as he sits somewhere isolated now with much time to wonder if he did say those words. "I think I just killed somebody" Amazing!:glare:


~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[True2Blues]

i would be putting the foyer chairs out on garbage pick-up day

If they're at the Castle, don't be surprised if they end up on ebay. Just saying....

[gnm109]

what happens to all his money? Does his wife have free reign with it? He will be gone for a LONG time.

Lana's family will no doubt file a wrongful death lawsuit and that should take care of most his assets since they could be levied on once a judgment is obtained. Assuming he had a prenuptial agreement, most of the property is probably his and it's long past the point where it could be transferred from a legal standpoint.

As to the portion of his property that is community, his wife could file for minimum protections to save some of the assets.

The whole case is a sad one for all concerned.

[True2Blues]

DW's problem was not the 5 PBA witnesses - on which he bases the appeal - it was the fact that there were rational people impaneled. There was no bonehead this time. The facts remained the same. There is reasonable doubt about DW's sanity but none about the fact that Lana died at Spector's hand.

:thumbsup: Well put!

[True2Blues]

Lana's family will no doubt file a wrongful death lawsuit and that should take care of most his assets since they could be levied on once a judgment is obtained. Assuming he had a prenuptial agreement, most of the property is probably his and it's long past the point where it could be transferred from a legal standpoint.

As to the portion of his property that is community, his wife could file for minimum protections to save some of the assets.

The whole case is a sad one for all concerned.

I was thinking about that today and I just can't see PS not hiding enough money to pay for appeal after appeal. When it comes to himself, there is no expense spared. I don't see him entrusting that information to Rachelle, but I really don't believe that he hasn't hidden money to use in pursuit of his freedom.

If I'm wrong that's fine by me, but I don't see him giving up on getting out.

[Anakerie]

Lana's family will no doubt file a wrongful death lawsuit and that should take care of most his assets since they could be levied on once a judgment is obtained. Assuming he had a prenuptial agreement, most of the property is probably his and it's long past the point where it could be transferred from a legal standpoint.

As to the portion of his property that is community, his wife could file for minimum protections to save some of the assets.

The whole case is a sad one for all concerned.
The wrongful death suit has already been filed, I believe. The lawsuit was put on "hold" until the criminal case was over. It's essentially over now, all except for Phil's sentencing.

As for the "community property" thing for Rachelle, I think it depends on what kind of pre-nup or contract she signed when she married him. From what Michelle Blaine wrote in her blog, I don't think Rachelle is going to get much more from Phil...

[oodi]

The wrongful death suit has already been filed, I believe. The lawsuit was put on "hold" until the criminal case was over. It's essentially over now, all except for Phil's sentencing.

As for the "community property" thing for Rachelle, I think it depends on what kind of pre-nup or contract she signed when she married him. From what Michelle Blaine wrote in her blog, I don't think Rachelle is going to get much more from Phil...

I posted earlier... there is a status hearing in the civil suit on Friday morning.

[Curlyjo]

Back from being out and about and now reading the thread with our many good thoughts tonight. I have been wondering about Adriano De Souza. Is he still here, and if so where? Adriano was such a big part of this trial with his common sense and brave ways of staying true to what he saw that morning. I say thank the stars it was Adriano as the driver that night. Someday I will think a little bit more about what could have happened were it someone else with less scruples. True to his own dedicated sense of right and wrong, I will always remember him and what he did that morning. What he said to that 911 operator was a linchpin to the case forever more to be repeated. To be remembered by all, including the convict as he sits somewhere isolated now with much time to wonder if he did say those words. "I think I just killed somebody" Amazing!:glare:

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~



Bad for PS that he had a HONEST driver....Thank goodness that he was a HONEST person!

[wasapi]

If Rachelle needs money - she could always offer herself as a stand-in for a younger Camilla Parker Bowles.

Vonna, for some reason I didn't see this before now. But I almost spewed coffee on my computer screen. Hysterical! Thanks for a well needed laugh!

[dref99]

two people, both wearing watches....... you want to know what time it is......

the one with 'instinct' or common sense says it is 9.30

the intellect tells you how to build a clock, how time is calculated and when you finally get an answer it is 11.30pm edt... and then he says did you know how daylight savings came to be, etc.

i'll take instinct any day of the week

I could never take instinct over fact when evaluating after the fact. I don't see instinct as common sense. Weinberg is using the word to define something done automatically without thought - that is how we survive in an inhospitable society - that is what PS did when he pulled the trigger. If Phil had thought, for just 30 seconds about what he was doing, Lana would be alive.

I have worked alot with folks regarded as intellectuals - if I ask them the time - they tell me the time. I really can't agree with your analysis. It sounds to me like rain man

Edit: Instinct was probably what took Phil outside to his driver - In the past the driver/bodyguard had resolved all the gun issues


jmo

[Anakerie]

I posted earlier... there is a status hearing in the civil suit on Friday morning.
lol, Doh for me... I did read that... If there is a status hearing, then that would mean that the suit has been filed. I'm guessing that the hearing on Friday will mean that they can say that the criminal case is done and they can move forward with the civil case?

[oodi]

lol, Doh for me... I did read that... If there is a status hearing, then that would mean that the suit has been filed. I'm guessing that the hearing on Friday will mean that they can say that the criminal case is done and they can move forward with the civil case?


That's what I'm assuming too. Although, I did wonder whether or not they would delay it even further, until PS gets settled into wherever his new permanent home will be. I have no clue how that aspect of it works. :unsure:

[eagleeer]

I believe so - and that way he could have filled 13 steno pads instead of only 12.

The only one who needed a "Psychological Autopsy" is Juror Ben10. Sadly that was not a requirement to be on the PS1 jury.

[eagleeer]

Gary,

I know you have said that you didn't want or expect anything from your father, but I would really hate to see you and your siblings denied what is rightfully yours to a brainless twit like that. JMO

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.

[oodi]

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own.

eagleeer,

I'm not talking about $$$ per se. I meant any family mementos, items of sentimental value, family photos, etc. I don't know that there is anything that they would want. But if there is, I certainly think PS's kids have more of a right to them than RS does. Those types of items would have no meaning to her, and it would be a shame that they didn't go to those that they DO have meaning to. That's all I'm saying.

[eagleeer]

eagleeer,

I'm not talking about $$$ per se. I meant any family mementos, items of sentimental value, family photos, etc. I don't know that there is anything that they would want. But if there is, I certainly think PS's kids have more of a right to them than RS does. Those types of items would have no meaning to her, and it would be a shame that they didn't go to those that they DO have meaning to. That's all I'm saying.

oodi, I agree with you whole heartedly. Sadly the way things go most of those items are usually pillaged by a greedy relative or an errant spouse and hid. In this case, I would doubt the Rachelle has any feeling about giving anything to the siblings. However I remind you Phil Spector is not dead and this conversation is premature.

[oodi]

oodi, I agree with you whole heartedly. Sadly the way things go most of those items are usually pillaged by a greedy relative or an errant spouse and hid. In this case, I would doubt the Rachelle has any feeling about giving anything to the siblings. However I remind you Phil Spector is not dead and this conversation is premature.

Unfortunately, I do know that's the way things go. My kids have none of their father's belongings, because his family kept it all after he died, and didn't think they had a right to any of it. That's what brought it to mind.

[dref99]

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.

Like many things, it matters not what you, I or anyone else thinks or expects in regard to inheritance - the law dictates that it is very difficult to disinherit a child. I have relatives who have tried to do that - for good and bad reasons - in both cases, the child (of adult years) went to the courts and won a settlement. I'm sure there are situations where this does not happen, I haven't personally been involved with such. In the cases I mentioned, the children received no family mementos of any kind - which in one instance was incredibly sad for the person involved.

jmo

[gnm109]

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.


Going back to the Time of Henry VIII, (1) it's been fairly common for people to leave real and personal property to their heirs when they pass away. It's not unusual at all.

Modernly, if there is a will and the child is mentioned in it, then that child will take whatever is given to him or her under the terms of the will. If there is a will and the child is omitted, then the child could get an intestate share which would be decided by the court depending upon the statute in effect in the jurisdiction. If there is no will, then a similar situation would exist for all of the heirs, in that they would all be entitled to intestate shares in accordance with the jurisdiction.

If you don't want anything from your parents, that's fine. Most people would hope to receive something from their parents, especially if they had been close and had perhaps taken care of their parents in their old age. This assumes that something is left.

Speaking of Mr. Spector, he is of course still living, so a will is not yet an issue. He has other issues since the family of Ms. Clarkson is no doubt hoping to take his property, all of it, ahead of any will.

In this case, it's unlikely that there would be anything left for the heirs after the Court case.

I just wanted to point out that your attitude, that no one should inherit because they don't deserve anything, is extremely unusual. Most parents and children don't feel that way. Mainly, I guess it has to do with keeping the wealth in the family. When I pass away, I want my family to have all of my property. If I had a child that was a ne'er do well, I'd handle that within the terms of my will. Fortunately, that's not the case. My children are all established and have an excellent work ethic. They deserve to have my property - when I'm finished with it of course, LOL. .


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_Wills

[eagleeer]

New thread.

Phil Spector April 16th till.................... (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=352012)

[bearwds]

I was thinking about that today and I just can't see PS not hiding enough money to pay for appeal after appeal. When it comes to himself, there is no expense spared. I don't see him entrusting that information to Rachelle, but I really don't believe that he hasn't hidden money to use in pursuit of his freedom.

If I'm wrong that's fine by me, but I don't see him giving up on getting out.
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If he had extra money he would have bought better witnesses.


bearwds

[dref99]

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If he had extra money he would have bought better witnesses.


bearwds

Think he had trouble finding any - even lost PP somewhere between the two trials



jmo

[My 2 Cents]

Think he had trouble finding any - even lost PP somewhere between the two trials



jmo

Hi Dref,

Well, just in case you were wondering if PUNKIN PIE had "flown the coop", here is a brief video of her (talking too) at the 2009 NAMM show. I think she actually looks better in this video, than she did in the courtroom.

http://www.totonetwork.com/tags/universal/NAMM/

You have to scroll down near the bottom, to the video titled:
"WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PIE?" . . . I know, gag me!

No need to THANK ME Dref, for "finding her". LOL :wink:

[GPSpector]

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.

In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

[kennedy06]

Hi Dref,

Well, just in case you were wondering if PUNKIN PIE had "flown the coop", here is a brief video of her (talking too) at the 2009 NAMM show. I think she actually looks better in this video, than she did in the courtroom.

http://www.totonetwork.com/tags/universal/NAMM/

You have to scroll down near the bottom, to the video titled:
"WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE PIE?" . . . I know, gag me!

No need to THANK ME Dref, for "finding her". LOL :wink:

What a find! :thumbup:

[Pinetree]

Gary, I don't know how old you are or much about your current circumstances. But if you really want that college degree, then go for it! It will probably be difficult...no doubt about it...but it is possible. Don't sell yourself short. Leave all the past ugliness behind and move forward. I know you can do it!

:smile:

[Carol25]

Gary, I don't know how old you are or much about your current circumstances. But if you really want that college degree, then go for it! It will probably be difficult...no doubt about it...but it is possible. Don't sell yourself short. Leave all the past ugliness behind and move forward. I know you can do it!

:smile:
This is a great time for it. No jobs out there anyway. You probably qualify for a grant....

[lane99]

Let me add my thanks to all the others who've already thanked Gary Spector for personalizing and bringing this board to life in a way people with no direct, personal involvement in the case- myself, for example- could never possibly do.

Also thanks to his brother who occasionally posted here (and much more often in the first trial, if memory serves).

Best of luck to them both.

p.s. it's not my business at all, but I have wondered if they had any knowledge of their biological parents. Anyone know if that has ever been mentioned around here?

[GPSpector]

Gary, I don't know how old you are or much about your current circumstances. But if you really want that college degree, then go for it! It will probably be difficult...no doubt about it...but it is possible. Don't sell yourself short. Leave all the past ugliness behind and move forward. I know you can do it!

:smile:

Sorry, I did try to go to Colorado Technical College (now: Colorado Technical University) a couple years after the Air Force in 1988. That's how I found out that I could not use my GI Bill. I was only there for 1½ years and due to Chase not contacting me for 7 years after I had to file bankruptcy (due to a crooked collection agency) and was told the student loan could be added to it if I had made payments to it for a total of 7 years. I did not find out that the 7 year payment requirement was 2 months short of qualifying to be allowed on the bankruptcy until 7 years after I filed it. Chase never attempted to contact me that entire time. I would have been happy to continue payments or wait the 2 months. Of course, you can't add Student Loans to bankruptcy now, the rules have changed.

Me going to College on my own was a huge financial mistake I won't make again. I had to originally drop out due to receiving a back injury as a passenger in a friends car and was rear-ended. I could not afford the needed back surgery and no help was coming from home. that accident caused a domino effect financially, that's why I had to file bankruptcy in the 1st place. The lawyer that my friend hired was a joke and my "friend" dumped him without telling me before that lawyer settled. I got the shaft on that one.

My remaining debt went from $13,000 to $18,000 due to 7 years of interest. I can not tell you the last time I even say a Federal Refund since it goes to that debt. I am finally down to about $14,000 after paying a bit over $10,000 over the years to also cover yearly interest.

Simply put, I can't go back to school for quit some time.:sad:

Next month, I'll be 43.

[GPSpector]

Let me add my thanks to all the others who've already thanked Gary Spector for personalizing and bringing this board to life in a way people with no direct, personal involvement in the case- myself, for example- could never possibly do.

Also thanks to his brother who occasionally posted here (and much more often in the first trial, if memory serves).

Best of luck to them both.

p.s. it's not my business at all, but I have wondered if they had any knowledge of their biological parents. Anyone know if that has ever been mentioned around here?

Thank you for the kind words.

To answer your last topic:
I think it was mentioned during the 1st trial but neither Louis nor I talk about it publicly. For better or for worse, we just accept our father as our father. As Louis has told me, he has grown up without a mother and is not looking for one now. As I've told him, I've never been interested in looking.

Now, just so CW does not close this thread down, she does not like chats about personal information. She wants that left to PM's.