Tuesday 14th April

[MoonFlwr]

Good Morning, Everyone.

Melissa's arraignment is this morning....anyone know what time?

[kitty1182]

Good morning..Thanks for the new thread..
I don't know what time...Been trying to find out..

[VII]

G'Mornin' :biggrin:
It's this afternoon at 1:30...
Gotta get ready for work now.
Have a Good One!
7

[MoonFlwr]

G'Mornin' :biggrin:
It's this afternoon at 1:30...
Gotta get ready for work now.
Have a Good One!
7

Oh, thanks for the info, VII! :)

Have a good day!

[kitty1182]

G'Mornin' :biggrin:
It's this afternoon at 1:30...
Gotta get ready for work now.
Have a Good One!
7

Thanks!!........

[~jomomma~]

cool! i'll be home and beable to watch it all.

i can't get poor Sandra out of my mind :sad:

[PBJMOM4]

she's gonna be charged with kidnapping, murder, RAPE and MOLESTATION.

Makes me sick. Poor baby, I hope she was doped up good and didn't know a thing.

[playnice]

she's gonna be charged with kidnapping, murder, RAPE and MOLESTATION.

This is gross but I wonder if the murder weapon is the foreign object?

[Tornado]

Good morning to all- I can't get it out of my mind that this must be the most heart wrenching situation for Sandra's family. My God I only hope and pray that they some how will be able to get thru this. Just a horrible nightmare.

[kitty1182]

This is gross but I wonder if the murder weapon is the foreign object?

That 's what I'm thinking..:sad:

[BevAnn]

Good morning gang! :seeya:

So, my thoughts are, she drugged Sandra to make sex tapes/pictures to sell, as she was in financial difficulties. And if she did indeed drug another child previously, it might have been for the same reasons. I can't decide if she DID drug Sandra - was her death an accidental OD, or did she do it on purpose on the fear Sandra would tell someone what happened.

Is this what you guys are thinking?? Is this the general concensus?

Anxious for the hearing today!!

Bev

[kitty1182]

Good morning gang! :seeya:

So, my thoughts are, she drugged Sandra to make sex tapes/pictures to sell, as she was in financial difficulties. And if she did indeed drug another child previously, it might have been for the same reasons. I can't decide if she DID drug Sandra - was her death an accidental OD, or did she do it on purpose on the fear Sandra would tell someone what happened.

Is this what you guys are thinking?? Is this the general concensus?

Anxious for the hearing today!!

Bev


Good morning Bev...I hope she was drugged and died quickly before anything else took place:sad:

[BevAnn]

Good morning Kitty!

I know, I fully agree. It's just too awful to imagine.

I would SO be checking her daughter out. There is no telling what that poor girl has been subjected to.

[GentleBreeze]

That 's what I'm thinking..:sad:

G'Morning!

Sadly that has crossed my mind. Did she rupture little Sandra with this object?

I just can't seem to get out of my mind that LE says they know 'the spot" where Sandra was murdered.:sad:

imo

[dinojen]

Arraignment in Stockton today at 1:30 PST.

Her family visited with her yesterday.

[CANDYKISSES]

Good morning gang! :seeya:

So, my thoughts are, she drugged Sandra to make sex tapes/pictures to sell, as she was in financial difficulties. And if she did indeed drug another child previously, it might have been for the same reasons. I can't decide if she DID drug Sandra - was her death an accidental OD, or did she do it on purpose on the fear Sandra would tell someone what happened.

Is this what you guys are thinking?? Is this the general concensus?

Anxious for the hearing today!!

Bev

OMG BEV, your post really got me thinking as I've been unable to digest what came out yesterday. But what if Melissa's excuse about internal bleeding was really what happened to sweet Sandra? :crying:

[kitty1182]

Good morning Kitty!

I know, I fully agree. It's just too awful to imagine.

I would SO be checking her daughter out. There is no telling what that poor girl has been subjected to.

I know......:mad:

[islandgirl36542]

This pos Melissa is no sunday school teacher~could it be community service that goes with the probation sentence? or was she volunteering to get near children~ How Long was this going on? I hope they are checking her whereabouts before she moved in w/grandparents.

Prayers for Sandra Cantu, Sandra Cantu's Family & Friends...:rose:

[kitty1182]

G'Morning!

Sadly that has crossed my mind. Did she rupture little Sandra with this object?

I just can't seem to get out of my mind that LE says they know 'the spot" where Sandra was murdered.:sad:

imo

I'm thinking maybe some dna was found on that cot that was took from the church....
God help Sandra's family......

[kitty1182]

This pos Melissa is no sunday school teacher~could it be community service that goes with the probation sentence? or was she volunteering to get near children~ How Long was this going on? I hope they are checking her whereabouts before she moved in w/grandparents.

Prayers for Sandra Cantu, Sandra Cantu's Family & Friends...:rose:

She was one at her grandfather's church..:sad:

[playnice]

OMG BEV, your post really got me thinking as I've been unable to digest what came out yesterday. But what if Melissa's excuse about internal bleeding was really what happened to sweet Sandra? :crying:

I would not be surprised.
What a sick twisted B. I knew the motive would be something bizarre and crazy but I never expected this.
I dont think I can be shocked then along comes something like this and the shock factor kicks in.
I bet she has molested before just maybe not to the point of murder.
I would like to know her involvement with kids before she ever came to this town. I know if I were a parent that my child had ever crossed paths with this witch I would be grilling my child about her.

[CANDYKISSES]

G'Morning!

Sadly that has crossed my mind. Did she rupture little Sandra with this object?

I just can't seem to get out of my mind that LE says they know 'the spot" where Sandra was murdered.:sad:

imo

Hi GB, I see that as a possibility now too. Dear God, if not walking in on NG last night I was very torn in my thoughts about Melissa and her "alleged mental and physical illnesses", but after hearing some of that show and reading more, I am literally barf.

I pray Sandra's family is spared some of this too and for the first time I am almost wishing for LE to keep everything they can under seal until there is some computer forensic testing indicating if this was an isolated incident or whether there are other victims who *might* have been in similar situations but lived through it. :crying: jmo

[dinojen]

Arraignment in Stockton today at 1:30 PST.

Her family visited with her yesterday.

Emily Fontes of Seattle, Wash., said she and Huckaby were best friends at upper-middle class Brea Olinda High School in Orange County in the late 1990s.

Huckaby babysat and worked as a nanny for a local family, and also participated on the high school dance team, Fontes said.

Huckaby didn't seem to have career goals then but talked occasionally of becoming a police officer. She talked about problems at home and sometimes wanted to stay with her friend, but Fontes said she was sure it was typical teenage problems involving boys and parents.

"I can't comment on who she is now," Fontes said. "All I can say is that this girl I knew then could never in a million years do something like this."

After high school, Huckaby bounced back and forth between Southern California and Tracy.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Prosecutor-Rape-May-Be-Alleged-In-Sandra=1&blockID=265491&feedID=190


Just saw a interview with her father leaving French Camp yesterday after visiting with Melissa. He said they didn't speak of the charges, they just prayed. When he was asked if he ever thought Melissa was capable of these charges he said never. There were other family members there also. He also stated Madison was okay..

Will see if I can find a video link, I saw it on cbs5.com

[GentleBreeze]

Good morning gang! :seeya:

So, my thoughts are, she drugged Sandra to make sex tapes/pictures to sell, as she was in financial difficulties. And if she did indeed drug another child previously, it might have been for the same reasons. I can't decide if she DID drug Sandra - was her death an accidental OD, or did she do it on purpose on the fear Sandra would tell someone what happened.

Is this what you guys are thinking?? Is this the general consensus?

Anxious for the hearing today!!

Bev

Good Morning Bev!

I am not sure she was making sex tapes or pictures. By all accounts that I have read Melissa pretty much didn't associate with anyone. She didn't even come outside to play with her little daughter or even let her daughter play outside with others. And if iirc her grandparents' computer wasn't even hooked up to the internet.

I just think this was a darkly held secret and urges Melissa, herself, had. I remember her own father said in the PC that Melissa had no guys in her life. She seemed very much like a loner to me and only fit in with her family members and the small congregation at her grandfather's church. I would suspect that many of the members there are older and had been going since Pastor Lawless started preaching there 30 years ago.

JMO

[For Gabriel]

Good morning Bev...I hope she was drugged and died quickly before anything else took place:sad:


Morning, Kitty!
ITA. Having a dd close to Sandra's age, this has troubled me greatly. I'm sure many of us have children that age (or close) or grandchildren. I can;t fathom how a mother can hurt another, mother's child?!

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm thinking maybe some dna was found on that cot that was took from the church....
God help Sandra's family......

:mad:I am praying nothing comes to them through the media and if there is even worse than many imagine, that they will get the family counseling through the victims services unit and tell them prior to any media leaks.

:wub:That poor child, she looked like such a happy little girl. Who knows what she suffered at the hands of her murderer?

[kitty1182]

:mad:I am praying nothing comes to them through the media and if there is even worse than many imagine, that they will get the family counseling through the victims services unit and tell them prior to any media leaks.

:wub:That poor child, she looked like such a happy little girl. Who knows what she suffered at the hands of her murderer?

Sends chills thru me to think what happen to her:angry:

[CANDYKISSES]

Good Morning Bev!

I am not sure she was making sex tapes or pictures. By all accounts that I have read Melissa pretty much didn't associate with anyone. She didn't even come outside to play with her little daughter or even let her daughter play outside with others. And if iirc her grandparents' computer wasn't even hooked up to the internet.

I just think this was a darkly held secret and urges Melissa, herself, had. I remember her own father said in the PC that Melissa had no guys in her life. She seemed very much like a loner to me and only fit in with her family members and the small congregation at her grandfather's church. I would suspect that many of the members there are older and had been going since Pastor Lawless started preaching there 30 years ago.

JMO

After seeing the photo last night of a pretty thin Melissa, I do believe the second myspace originally on here was Melissa and she had at least one pretty saucy little clip on the page for a SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER IMO.

IF THAT IS/WAS her myspace, NOT THE BLOND, the other one, then I think there was a guy in the photo too. I'm going back to look.

I don't think she was a recluse and maybe she didn't have internet hook up at the time of Sandra's murder, but I don't buy her not having any web access. JMO tho.:unsure:

[kitty1182]

Morning, Kitty!
ITA. Having a dd close to Sandra's age, this has troubled me greatly. I'm sure many of us have children that age (or close) or grandchildren. I can;t fathom how a mother can hurt another, mother's child?!


Makes my heart ache:sad:

[For Gabriel]

I just can't get out of my head, the clip of Sandra skipping through the trailer park...so happy-go-lucky and free. Just as every child should feel. Yet, she was not safe. It's like there are monsters out there, ready to snatch our children/grandchildren at any moment. Guess this explains why I have kept my kiddos under house arrest these past few days... :(

[lunchlady]

It would be interesting to hear more about her life in SoCal. Haven't heard anything about that yet except her legal scrapes, which might have been the tip of the iceberg. How did she support herself and her daughter? Why did she come back to live at her grandparents' house? What kind of drugs was she using?

There is some characterization of her as quiet and being a loner, but she seems to have had some sort of relationship with people in the mobile home court as well as the church and her extended family. And there seems to be a MySpace and a Facebook page out there, so she had online access at some point, perhaps back in SoCal?

[dinojen]

Link to father's comments after visit and his comments on additional charges.

I feel so bad for both of these families.

Raw video of families comments. It's about 6 mins. long.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com



Visit was behind a glass wall and via phone for about 5 mins. She saw her father and her grandmother.

[CANDYKISSES]

Arraignment in Stockton today at 1:30 PST.

Her family visited with her yesterday.

Thanks Jen, I hope HLN will carry it, but don't expect much. I was more than shocked at yesterday's allegations myself. I'm still trying to put a picture of Melissa together.

I remember a poster early on wondering about if someone who was capable of harming Sandra would somehow insert themselves or SHOW UP AT THE PRESSERS?

Then I remembered seeing a photo of her in the car waving to someone. Does anyone know if she was actually at the pressers? I know she was active with the Tracy Press, but haven't picked up on anything about whether or not she was actually present and watching the PC's. Also significant from your other post, her friend saying she wanted to be a cop.....my brother used to have a little saying about certain professions.

I wonder what stopped her from pursuing that career? :blush: JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Hi GB, I see that as a possibility now too. Dear God, if not walking in on NG last night I was very torn in my thoughts about Melissa and her "alleged mental and physical illnesses", but after hearing some of that show and reading more, I am literally barf.

I pray Sandra's family is spared some of this too and for the first time I am almost wishing for LE to keep everything they can under seal until there is some computer forensic testing indicating if this was an isolated incident or whether there are other victims who *might* have been in similar situations but lived through it. :crying: jmo

Morning Candy!

I think this case and the way it is evolving has truly affected us all. Just when we think it can't be anymore horrifying we learn that it is.

I did read a comment last night made by Sandra's aunt and the family is aware of the possible rape and molestation charges. I am sure they wanted to cling to the fact since a woman had done this crime that at least Sandra had not suffered sexual abuse before she died. Now that seems not to be the case so once again this poor family's hearts are ripped to shreds and left to deal with that too.

I truly do hope they investigate who Melissa was in contact with the 7 months she lived with her grandparents and if she had access to other little girls. I hope and pray that they have checked her own child out to rule out sexual abuse.

No way do I think Melissa is criminally insane. Thank goodness the prior psychiatrists agree that she is competent.

imo

[Themis]

KCRA TV, Channel 3, Sacramento reported that today's arraignment was scheduled for 1 P.M. PDT at last night's 11 P.M. news

The Stockton Record newspaper this morning says the same thing.

Stockton Record Link for April 14, 2009:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/904140316

[dinojen]

Thanks Jen, I hope HLN will carry it, but don't expect much. I was more than shocked at yesterday's allegations myself. I'm still trying to put a picture of Melissa together.

I remember a poster early on wondering about if someone who was capable of harming Sandra would somehow insert themselves or SHOW UP AT THE PRESSERS?

Then I remembered seeing a photo of her in the car waving to someone. Does anyone know if she was actually at the pressers? I know she was active with the Tracy Press, but haven't picked up on anything about whether or not she was actually present and watching the PC's. Also significant from your other post, her friend saying she wanted to be a cop.....my brother used to have a little saying about certain professions.

I wonder what stopped her from pursuing that career? :blush: JMO

Just finished watching the interview with her father and Grandmother.. he just keeps saying when asked about the charges.. that's not his daughter.. I don't think any parent would be able to wrap their head around their daughter doing anything like this..

Guess we will find out more today possibly unless they gag it all.

Very sad all the way around for all those involved...:crying:

[For Gabriel]

Link to father's comments after visit and his comments on additional charges.

I feel so bad for both of these families.

Raw video of families comments. It's about 6 mins. long.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com



Visit was behind a glass wall and via phone for about 5 mins. She saw her father and her grandmother.

Is that the preacher grandfather behind the father talking?

[BevAnn]

GB - yes, with out a doubt all children (boys and girls) need to be checked out if they've been around her at all!

I really wonder, was it a pattern of behaviour, or is Sandra a stand alone instance, brought on by desperation for money??

I lean towards the last - probably just so my mind does not have to accept a mother would do this to another person's child, just for kicks. :bored:

[ortiga]

I read all of yesterday's thread, and don't see anything has been released about the timeline. I can't get my mind around the apparent speed of this crime.

Did she whisk Sandra away from the mobile home park in her car, take her to the church, molest her, kill her to destroy the "witness".

But when did the sister go to babysit? Remember the sister was in Sandra's house when they decided they didn't have enough money for the movies. Then, Sandra left, apparently leaving the sisters in the house.

This is the part that interests me, the time line of what happened, and exactly when, in the MH/pastor house.

Where was grandma when MH left the house, said she couldn't find her own keys or cellphone?

When did the sister come to MH house? Had Sandra already left, and maybe the grandma arranged the babysitting?

Is there any proof at all that she really did go babysit?

Grandma should know all of this.

Like I said, I can't get my mind around the apparent suddeness of all this, it's not like Sandra was spending a long night at the home (but had she ever spent the night there before??) .....MH must have had her eye on Sandra for some time.

IMO

[dinojen]

Is that the preacher grandfather behind the father talking?


Her grandparents were there and her father, not sure who else and yes that's her grandfather standing behind her father.

[kitty1182]

Link to father's comments after visit and his comments on additional charges.

I feel so bad for both of these families.

Raw video of families comments. It's about 6 mins. long.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com



Visit was behind a glass wall and via phone for about 5 mins. She saw her father and her grandmother.

Thanks for the video..Two familes have had their hearts torn into...

[MoonFlwr]

KCRA TV, Channel 3, Sacramento reported that today's arraignment was scheduled for 1 P.M. PDT at last night's 11 P.M. news

The Stockton Record newspaper this morning says the same thing.

Stockton Record Link for April 14, 2009:

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/A_NEWS/904140316

Thanks for the info, Themis!
I wonder if we'll be able to watch it anywhere online? (a few days ago a reporter from KRON4 said they'd cover it (but afterwards I wasn't sure if she meant camera coverage or just summarising the proceedings).

[BevAnn]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515375,00.html

"Formal charges have not been filed, but San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau said Monday a murder charge against Huckaby could include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping."


Another thing that makes me think, this was about a sex tape/pictures - I believe they actually HAVE a tape/pics she took in evidence now. I think that's also why they say with certainty she acted alone - there is no one else in the video or pictures.

But of course, that's just my opinion, and I'm just speculating!

[For Gabriel]

Her grandparents were there and her father, not sure who else and yes that's her grandfather standing behind her father.

Thank you, Dinojen. I was watching the grandfather and his expressionless face while the father spoke w/ reporters. Something cold and silent about him.

[CANDYKISSES]

Morning Candy!

I think this case and the way it is evolving has truly affected us all. Just when we think it can't be anymore horrifying we learn that it is.

I did read a comment last night made by Sandra's aunt and the family is aware of the possible rape and molestation charges. I am sure they wanted to cling to the fact since a woman had done this crime that at least Sandra had not suffered sexual abuse before she died. Now that seems not to be the case so once again this poor family's hearts are ripped to shreds and left to deal with that too.

I truly do hope they investigate who Melissa was in contact with the 7 months she lived with her grandparents and if she had access to other little girls. I hope and pray that they have checked her own child out to rule out sexual abuse.

No way do I think Melissa is criminally insane. Thank goodness the prior psychiatrists agree that she is competent.

imo

I think it was her grandfather who stated that he felt she knew the difference between right and wrong IIRC. I have to give her father credit for standing on the fact that no matter their family pain, that it's not in any a measure close to that of the pain endured by the family of Sandra. I hope this family is able to hold that compassion for Sandra and her family NO MATTER WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. It's been a long time since I've seen an ACCUSED's family be able to separate themselves and feel for the other family no matter what is ahead for their own. This is an innocent child and there is just no excuse for what happened and the aftermath IMOO. :sad:

I don't have much in the way of compassion for Melissa and will wait until we know a bit more about what allegedly happened that day before I am convinced of it being JUST SANDRA, but that's just me.

Did LE confirm where Sinclair was that day?:cursing:

[For Gabriel]

Just pondering here....they removed a cot from the church, correct? Was the cot in a classroom? Was there a pre-school at the church during the weekdays? Was the cot there for sick children to lie on during worship? I'm questioning the location of the cot.

[dinojen]

Thank you, Dinojen. I was watching the grandfather and his expressionless face while the father spoke w/ reporters. Something cold and silent about him.

I don't know... I think he's been through alot and someone his age... I wouldn't want to be in that families shoes for anything..

I found her father's comments about Melissa's family not putting their sorrow at anywhere near the sadness the Cantu family is feeling was thoughtful.. not sure if that's the right word.. but you can see how difficult it was for him to even talk about it.

The grandfather has been pretty silent throughout this whole thing.. I personally don't think he has anything to do with any of this...or the grandmother.

[Themis]

Thank you, Dinojen. I was watching the grandfather and his expressionless face while the father spoke w/ reporters. Something cold and silent about him.
About Grandfather Lane Lawless in that video ... yes, I noticed his expressionless face but did you see that silly smile? Toward the end, I think. Weird.
Lane Lawless' brother-in-law in an article from Salinas (I posted it a day or 2 ago) referred to his poor health.
I am beginning to wonder if he might be in the early stages of dementia or Alzheimers.
[JMO * Themis]

[GentleBreeze]

Just finished watching the interview with her father and Grandmother.. he just keeps saying when asked about the charges.. that's not his daughter.. I don't think any parent would be able to wrap their head around their daughter doing anything like this..

Guess we will find out more today possibly unless they gag it all.

Very sad all the way around for all those involved...:crying:

My heart breaks for this family too. I can certainly understand their pain and refusal to believe their own daughter/granddaughter would do such a thing. I seem to detect that the father is saying that if somehow she is the killer of Sandra then this is not the daughter/granddaughter that they all knew. I didn't exactly understand what he meant when he said the girl in the video was not his daughter. Is there video of Melissa? Maybe I just misunderstood that part. It was at the first of the interview.

But sadly, many times, even with kin, they let people see what they only want them to see. I would never think Melissa would wantonly walk around exploiting a child. All of that is done in secret.

imo

[kitty1182]

I don't know... I think he's been through alot and someone his age... I wouldn't want to be in that families shoes for anything..

I found her father's comments about Melissa's family not putting their sorrow at anywhere near the sadness the Cantu family is feeling was thoughtful.. not sure if that's the right word.. but you can see how difficult it was for him to even talk about it.

The grandfather has been pretty silent throughout this whole thing.. I personally don't think he has anything to do with any of this...or the grandmother.

A big difference between this family and the Anthony's!!

[CANDYKISSES]

Thank you, Dinojen. I was watching the grandfather and his expressionless face while the father spoke w/ reporters. Something cold and silent about him.

I couldn't bring myself to post it, but I am glad I'm not the only one who has hair standing on her arm (for lack of a better description). There's something unsettling about the Grandfather in my eyes, but it could be he's a fire and brimstone old school preacher and I'm not generally responsive to that kind of preaching. :blushing:JUST ME THO.

[Themis]

Thanks for the info, Themis!
I wonder if we'll be able to watch it anywhere online? (a few days ago a reporter from KRON4 said they'd cover it (but afterwards I wasn't sure if she meant camera coverage or just summarising the proceedings).
At this point, I do not know if there will be live streaming of the arraignment.
In California it is strictly up to the Judge whether to allow cameras of any type in the courtoom.
However, because of this case, I tend to think a Judge will allow some sort of visual coverage to ward off criticism.
Plus, I expect it will be very short. It will probably take longer to seat the spectators and members of the press than the proceedings will actually take.
[JMO * Themis]

[CANDYKISSES]

About Grandfather Lane Lawless in that video ... yes, I noticed his expressionless face but did you see that silly smile? Toward the end, I think. Weird.
Lane Lawless' brother-in-law in an article from Salinas (I posted it a day or 2 ago) referred to his poor health.
I am beginning to wonder if he might be in the early stages of dementia or Alzheimers.
[JMO * Themis]

I must have missed that themis, can you direct me to the article if you have a minute?

[GentleBreeze]

I don't know... I think he's been through alot and someone his age... I wouldn't want to be in that families shoes for anything..

I found her father's comments about Melissa's family not putting their sorrow at anywhere near the sadness the Cantu family is feeling was thoughtful.. not sure if that's the right word.. but you can see how difficult it was for him to even talk about it.

The grandfather has been pretty silent throughout this whole thing.. I personally don't think he has anything to do with any of this...or the grandmother.

I don't either. I think this man is 77 years old and all of this has really had to be quite a heavy burden for him to carry.

Not only has Melissa forever marked the very church he preached at for 30 years but now he feels he should move from the MPH that they have been in for years.

My heart goes out to him and the grandmother.

I do believe Melissa is guilty of these crimes and she has wound up victimizing so many.

imo

[Themis]

I must have missed that themis, can you direct me to the article if you have a minute?
Candy, to answer your question this is my post from Sunday:

Here is another link from the Salinas Californian about Pastor Lane Lawless:

http://m.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbc...emplate=wapart

" Pastor Arthur Harris of the Alisal Baptist Church said the institute is still around but hasn't had any students or staff for a couple of years.

Harris, now the dean of the institute, described the institute as more of a Bible school as opposed to a liberal arts department. Harris confirmed Lawless received a bachelor's degree in religious studies at the institute.

Harris, who said he is Lawless' brother-in-law, has known Lawless since the 1950s. He described Lawless as "one of the most kind and gentle persons" he knows but understands the reason why police questioned him.

"The police have to do what they have to do," Harris, 66, said adding that with Lawless' ailing health, "He saves all his energy for Sunday mornings." "

" Lawless' wife, Connie, said they had been interviewed by police because Sandra was a regular playmate of their great-granddaughter's."

"[Sandra] was last seen heading toward the direction where our house is, but she never went here," Connie said." (???)
Full story in the link.
*****************

How can one, Arthur Harris, be a dean of an institute which has no staff or students and has not had for a couple of years?
Are there different sects that comprise the Baptist religion? I honestly don't know.

[CC I See]

This pos Melissa is no sunday school teacher~could it be community service that goes with the probation sentence? or was she volunteering to get near children~ How Long was this going on? I hope they are checking her whereabouts before she moved in w/grandparents.

Prayers for Sandra Cantu, Sandra Cantu's Family & Friends...:rose:

Sexual offenders usually find a way to be around children. That is why parents must be extra vigilant about who is around their child to limit the time they spend with that person. The not knowing is the horrible part.

[GentleBreeze]

I think it was her grandfather who stated that he felt she knew the difference between right and wrong IIRC. I have to give her father credit for standing on the fact that no matter their family pain, that it's not in any a measure close to that of the pain endured by the family of Sandra. I hope this family is able to hold that compassion for Sandra and her family NO MATTER WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. It's been a long time since I've seen an ACCUSED's family be able to separate themselves and feel for the other family no matter what is ahead for their own. This is an innocent child and there is just no excuse for what happened and the aftermath IMOO. :sad:

I don't have much in the way of compassion for Melissa and will wait until we know a bit more about what allegedly happened that day before I am convinced of it being JUST SANDRA, but that's just me.

Did LE confirm where Sinclair was that day?:cursing:

I would think they absolutely have verified his whereabouts. LE seems very solid in their belief that no one else was involved in the kidnapping, murder and alleged rape and molestation but Melissa Huckaby.

They have said several times there will be no further arrest in the Sandra Cantu case.

imo

[lunchlady]

I understand why the families of alleged perps are interviewed and we watch them with great interest, but how often do they come out and say anything besides "I can't believe it!"
Criminals can often maintain normal relationships, especially within their families, and still do terrible things to other people, both as a one time event and habitually. This is a common plot device in fiction and part of the fascination with Mafia families.
Melissa's family has expressed sorrow and shock, but have not exactly denied the possibility of her guilt, to their credit IMO. They've said they don't see the deviant murderer in Melissa, which is probably a part of herself that she didn't show anyone besides her victim or possibly victims.

A recent ugly event here led to the mother of an alleged perp on TV, being confronted with the evidence by a reporter trying to break down her denial that her 18 year old son could have done such a thing. I guess this reflects the general desire to have family denounce the alleged perp and give up hope of his or her innocence. I understand this but it also seems somewhat cruel to do this directly after the alleged perp is arrested. The alleged perp's family is horrified and grieving also, and will be going through their own Guilt/If Only/Why Didn't I See It Earlier process. Parents spend years protecting their children and sticking up for them, so its hard to switch to condemning them immediately, if ever, no matter what the charges.

Terry Caffey chose to personally forgive his murderous daughter and mostly blame her friends. This enables him to have a relatively positive relationship with her while she spends the rest of his life in prison. That's his choice and its admirable in some ways. It gives Erin something to hang on to in the coming decades in prison and is probably the best fathering and ministering Terry can do at this point.

[kitty1182]

Sexual offenders usually find a way to be around children. That is why parents must be extra vigilant about who is around their child to limit the time they spend with that person. The not knowing is the horrible part.

Good morning CC...Looks like you can't trust anyone around your children...What a sad world this is becomming...:sad:

[Themis]

If there is no live streaming of today's arraignment ...

Here are the links to the 3 major TV stations coming out of Sacramento:


NBC affiliate: Channel 3: http://www.kcra.com/index.html


ABC affiliate: Channel 10: http://www.news10.net/


CBS affiliate: Channel 13: http://cbs13.com/

[CANDYKISSES]

SNIPPED for RESPONSE.

How can one, Arthur Harris, be a dean of an institute which has no staff or students and has not had for a couple of years?
Are there different sects that comprise the Baptist religion? I honestly don't know.



Thank you, I couldn't get to the whole article, but this was an eye opener for women, children and violence when I hit the home page Themis.

Woman uses child and car seat as a weapon...

http://m.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/NEWS01/904140303/-1/WAP&template=wapart


REgarding your closing paragraph, it doesn't sound right, now does it? I don't know and maybe the grandfather has an unique demeanor as a result of his illness, so, I'll just say nothing more about him. I wouldn't wish Melissa and what she stands accused of on my worst enemy. JMO.:blink:

[CC I See]

I would think they absolutely have verified his whereabouts. LE seems very solid in their belief that no one else was involved in the kidnapping, murder and alleged rape and molestation but Melissa Huckaby.

They have said several times there will be no further arrest in the Sandra Cantu case.

imo

Just becasue other family members were accounted for that day does not mean they can be cleared of what may have happened leading up to that day.

Women sexual offenders are almost always abuse victims themselves. Just google the occurrence and it will become clear what usually is in their past. That is why the family needs to be looked at especially with her daughter still among family members.

[For Gabriel]

I couldn't bring myself to post it, but I am glad I'm not the only one who has hair standing on her arm (for lack of a better description). There's something unsettling about the Grandfather in my eyes, but it could be he's a fire and brimstone old school preacher and I'm not generally responsive to that kind of preaching. :blushing:JUST ME THO.

It's not just you, Candy. I was wondering if maybe I was looking into more than what was there. He just seems so stone-faced.

[MoonFlwr]

If there is no live streaming of today's arraignment ...

Here are the links to the 3 major TV stations coming out of Sacramento:


NBC affiliate: Channel 3: http://www.kcra.com/index.html


ABC affiliate: Channel 10: http://www.news10.net/


CBS affiliate: Channel 13: http://cbs13.com/

Thanks, Themis! :)

Maybe one of them will advertise live streaming of it...a little later in the day.

[KKKKKKatie]

O/T but are the pages loading r e a l l y s l o w for anyone else or is it just me?????

[kitty1182]

O/T but are the pages loading r e a l l y s l o w for anyone else or is it just me?????

Slow here too.

[StickyBeak]

Good Morning Everyone,

Still reeling from the new circumstances. Just can't wrap my mind around what that poor little girl went through. I hope they televise the arraignment, I have a feeling somehow she will be very closely guarded.

O/T This is what I woke up to on front page newspaper. Beyond belief,

http://www.app.com/article/20090414/NEWS02/90414003

BERKELEY — Police have charged a 20-year-old man with having sex on three occasions with his 9-year-old sister, Detective James J. Smith said. The charges were the result of an investigation that began after a township worker called police about suspicious activity at Dudley Park on Friday evening.



Prayers for Sandra and her family

Candles are dwindling

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

[KKKKKKatie]

Slow here too.


Thanks kitty :seeya:

[Destini]

Link to father's comments after visit and his comments on additional charges.

I feel so bad for both of these families.

Raw video of families comments. It's about 6 mins. long.

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com



Visit was behind a glass wall and via phone for about 5 mins. She saw her father and her grandmother.

I had to take a little break from this case, but in this video the reporter is asking her father about an impromptu press conference? with LE in which they confirmed she had a date with Chris Sinclair. Did anyone else catch that? Has this already been discussed?

[BevAnn]

Good morning everyone, did i just read that she used a foreign object on that baby? :cursing:

Also, will the arraignment be televised, does anyone know?

That's what the link I provided from foxnews, stated....horrible.:cursing:

[kitty1182]

Good morning everyone, did i just read that she used a foreign object on that baby? :cursing:

Also, will the arraignment be televised, does anyone know?

That is what's being told..:flamemad:

[kitty1182]

Thanks kitty :seeya:

:seeya:..........

[GentleBreeze]

Just because other family members were accounted for that day does not mean they can be cleared of what may have happened leading up to that day.

Women sexual offenders are almost always abuse victims themselves. Just google the occurrence and it will become clear what usually is in their past. That is why the family needs to be looked at especially with her daughter still among family members.

Respectfully I am not so sure I believe that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

Child sexual abuse is a form of child abuse in which a child is abused for the sexual gratification of an adult or older adolescent.[1][2] In addition to direct sexual contact, child sexual abuse also occurs when an adult indecently exposes their genitalia to a child, asks or pressures a child to engage in sexual activities, displays pornography to a child, or uses a child to produce child pornography.[3][1][4]

Effects of child sexual abuse include depression,[5] post-traumatic stress disorder,[6] anxiety,[7] propensity to re-victimization in adulthood,[8] and physical injury to the child, among other problems.[9] Sexual abuse by a family member is a form of incest, and can result in more serious and long-term psychological trauma, especially in the case of parental incest.[10]



Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children.[11][12][13][14][15]

Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbors; strangers are the offenders in approximately 10% of child sexual abuse cases. Most child sexual abuse is committed by men; women commit approximately 14% of offenses reported against boys and 6% of offenses reported against girls.[11] Most offenders who abuse pre-pubescent children are pedophiles,[16][17] however a small percentage do not meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia.[18]
*************************************************

Most children who were sexually abused as a child do not become adult sexual abusers of children.

imo

[dinojen]

I had to take a little break from this case, but in this video the reporter is asking her father about an impromptu press conference? with LE in which they confirmed she had a date with Chris Sinclair. Did anyone else catch that? Has this already been discussed?

The father said he never met Chris Sinclair and knows nothing about him.. I was watching CBS5 this morning, they said Melissa dated him once... that was it. Will see if I can find a link.

[Destini]

I've never heard that before, and I did hear that in the video.

When was there an impromptu press conference? Does anyone remember hearing this before, about an actual press conference saying this, not rumors?

[Themis]

Thank you, I couldn't get to the whole article, but this was an eye opener for women, children and violence when I hit the home page Themis.

Woman uses child and car seat as a weapon...

http://m.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090414/NEWS01/904140303/-1/WAP&template=wapart


REgarding your closing paragraph, it doesn't sound right, now does it? I don't know and maybe the grandfather has an unique demeanor as a result of his illness, so, I'll just say nothing more about him. I wouldn't wish Melissa and what she stands accused of on my worst enemy. JMO.:blink:
<responding to the bolded sentence>

I apologize Candy that you could not access the article with quotes by Arthur DeWayne Harris (pastor of Alisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA), about his brother-in-law, Lane Lawless, Tracy, CA.

I should have double checked it myself just now before I copied the link. The link would not work for me either; however, I found another way to access the article. Here is the link:

http://www.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904080301

Candy, thanks for the link to your article; makes one ill!

[AmndaRcknwth]

Good Morning Bev!

I am not sure she was making sex tapes or pictures. By all accounts that I have read Melissa pretty much didn't associate with anyone. She didn't even come outside to play with her little daughter or even let her daughter play outside with others. And if iirc her grandparents' computer wasn't even hooked up to the internet.
I just think this was a darkly held secret and urges Melissa, herself, had. I remember her own father said in the PC that Melissa had no guys in her life. She seemed very much like a loner to me and only fit in with her family members and the small congregation at her grandfather's church. I would suspect that many of the members there are older and had been going since Pastor Lawless started preaching there 30 years ago.

JMO

The bolded part... Melissa had access to the internet somewhere, she had been logged in to her MySpace in April.

[MrLucky917B]

The bolded part... Melissa had access to the internet somewhere, she had been logged in to her MySpace in April.

Has someone found the correct Myspace for the Melissa that is in jail?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Yes. I followed the link from here, but did not save it, sorry.

I did save the picture, and followed the friends list to a few family members.

Someone here will have it saved.

[psbperu]

Am hoping this case does not go to trial for the parent's sake.

Wonder if she will plead "not guilty"?

[AmndaRcknwth]

Am hoping this case does not go to trial for the parent's sake.

Wonder if she will plead "not guilty"?


Without a doubt.

[dinojen]

When was there an impromptu press conference? Does anyone remember hearing this before, about an actual press conference saying this, not rumors?

Was just listening to it again... a reporter asked the father..

"a cop said today in an impromptu press conference that Melissa went on a date with Chris Sinclair"

:confused: I wasn't aware of any impromptu press conferences yesterday either.. so I don't know what the reporter is talking about.

[kitty1182]

Has someone found the correct Myspace for the Melissa that is in jail?

Good morning Mr.L..
I think it was posted somewhere, can't remember where though..:confused:

[TannersMom]

Hello everyone. Normally I get on here in the middle of the night before I go to bed. I have read several posts and I see something about MH drugging kids at the park???? I havent heard about this. Whats the story? I have been watching this story because I live about an hour and a half from Tracy and I have a 9 year old. A question I keep asking myself is how did she move the suitcase with Sandra in it? Do they really think she did it by herself with no help? I look at sweet Sandra skipping in the video and she looks like a normal size 8 year old. How did she move it to the car, into the car and out of the car by herself? It just doesnt seem possible yet the police dont appear to be planning on making any more arrests. Everything about this case is crazy! A young, female, Sunday school teacher and mother??? I dont even know how to describe the feelings that stirs up in me. Anger..confusion....I dont want to suffocate my kids but there could be a monster next door and it only takes moments for one innocent little girl to go from skipping down the street to being found dead in s suitcase. I cannot imagine what her family is going through. I just hope in the end Sandra will get justice and her memory will stick with everyone who has watched this unfold and possibly save another child because their parents are watching a little bit closer then they were before. I know I am.

[CC I See]

The bolded part... Melissa had access to the internet somewhere, she had been logged in to her MySpace in April.

...the church may have had a computer with intenet. If she had access to a laptop, there is free internet in many locations. She could also access the internet at the local library.

[GentleBreeze]

The bolded part... Melissa had access to the internet somewhere, she had been logged in to her MySpace in April.

Thanks.

I must have been mistaken. I thought I read that the home computers at the Lawless home weren't hooked up to the internet.

She could go to the library I am sure or if the church had one.

I dont think she was putting child porn on it though.

imo

[MrLucky917B]

Good morning Mr.L..
I think it was posted somewhere, can't remember where though..:confused:

Thanks Kitty, the only 1 I've seen was to the wrong Melissa.

[CC I See]

Here is a profile of female sex offenders:

Such women represent about 10 percent of all sexual offenses, and their abuse often involves their own child or children. Some have only one victim, many have several. Psychologist A. J. Cooper cites a study that 20 percent of these sex offenders........

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/female_offenders/6.html

[kitty1182]

Thanks Kitty, the only 1 I've seen was to the wrong Melissa.

I know, that poor girl....:sad:

[GentleBreeze]

She sure seems to fit the profile of a pedophile.

Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbors;

imo

[CC I See]

She sure seems to fit the profile of a pedophile.

Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbors;

imo

...this caught my eye.

They even tend to use the same forms of abuse that they had once experienced...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/female_offenders/6.html

[dinojen]

I know, that poor girl....:sad:

You can say that again... she was interviewed on CBS5.. and said she's been getting death threats and she has her own kids she is scared about... Not so sure about MySpace and Facebook, wonder how easily they can be hacked.

What a coincidence for this Melissa.. a horrible coincidence.:sad:

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48835@kpix.dayport.com

[Themis]

Thanks, Themis! :)

Maybe one of them will advertise live streaming of it...a little later in the day.
You're welcome, MoonFlwr. In addition to the links I gave for the major TV stations coming out of Sacramento (post #61), here are the links to the 2 local newspapers that are most likely to have detailed coverage.

Stockton Record: http://www.recordnet.com/


Tracy Press: http://www.tracypress.com/

By the way, Google says the driving distance between Stockton and Sacramento is 48.6 miles. They are connected by 2 major south-north freeways so the driving time is less than one hour.

I cannot really recommend the Sacramento Bee newspaper because their reporting is so bad. Example: This morning's article written at midnight still says Huckaby cannot have visitors when we all know her family was allowed to see/visit with her sometime yesterday afternoon/early evening. Her father answered questions from TV reporters outside the jail, fgs!

[lunchlady]

In regards to lifting the suitcase, I can still lift 50 or more pounds even without a handle and I've gotten pretty soft. It would be a bit grunty getting it into and out of the car but quite doable, and the wheels would help with any other movement required.
The suitcase was found at the very edge of the pond and standing on one side, so it was probably dropped right at the edge because it was heavy. Even a strong man would have trouble flinging it out farther out into the muck.
I noticed that the cars at the church park up right next the to building by what appears to be the front entrance, which even has a sort of awning over the parked cars. It would be a very short amount of time that anyone could see who or what was getting into and out of the car.

[CC I See]

Looks like Tracy has another sexual offender in the news.....

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Sex%20charges%20against%20doctor%20grows%20to%2064-%20includes%20girl-%2016%20=&page_label=home&id=2311269-Sex+charges+against+doctor+grows+to+64-+includes+girl-+16&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[Moondancer]

Here is a profile of female sex offenders:

Such women represent about 10 percent of all sexual offenses, and their abuse often involves their own child or children. Some have only one victim, many have several. Psychologist A. J. Cooper cites a study that 20 percent of these sex offenders........

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/female_offenders/6.html

Thanks for posting. Interesting reading.

[GentleBreeze]

...this caught my eye.

They even tend to use the same forms of abuse that they had once experienced...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/female_offenders/6.html

The minority will go onto be sexual abusers if they suffered from abuse as a child but I still believe that the vast majority of those who were abused as children do not go on to be sexual predators of children. By that stance it would mean the millions of young children who are abused in our country would become child sexual predators and that is just not the case.

Most sex offenders who abuse children sexually weren't abused as a child.

Many females thinks it is nothing more than enticing and romancing the child which makes me want to hurl. If they want to blame it on supposed abuse that they supposedly went through then I don't find that shocking that they would try to sell that to some Doc that someone else was to blame for their wickedness but I don't believe it for one second.

Everyone has choices.

These perverts don't need abuse in their past to have the lust for little vulnerable children.

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

<responding to the bolded sentence>

I apologize Candy that you could not access the article with quotes by Arthur DeWayne Harris (pastor of Alisal Baptist Church, Salinas, CA), about his brother-in-law, Lane Lawless, Tracy, CA.

I should have double checked it myself just now before I copied the link. The link would not work for me either; however, I found another way to access the article. Here is the link:

http://www.thecalifornian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904080301

Candy, thanks for the link to your article; makes one ill!

TYVM. I'm at a loss for words too.

[For Gabriel]

Looks like Tracy has another sexual offender in the news.....

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Sex%20charges%20against%20doctor%20grows%20to%2064-%20includes%20girl-%2016%20=&page_label=home&id=2311269-Sex+charges+against+doctor+grows+to+64-+includes+girl-+16&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

.........evil runs rampant.....

[kitty1182]

Looks like Tracy has another sexual offender in the news.....

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Sex%20charges%20against%20doctor%20grows%20to%2064-%20includes%20girl-%2016%20=&page_label=home&id=2311269-Sex+charges+against+doctor+grows+to+64-+includes+girl-+16&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Good grief.:cursing:

[For Gabriel]

*** kinda talking to myself ***

That this type of evil can be right under our noses. What must have went through that child's mind as these horrible acts were being done unto her. Thinking where is my mom, dad, some adult that will stop this and protect me. Sandra may have trusted Melissa. I hope Melissa sees Sandra's face and the look she must have had as she drew her last breath....

[Adalena935]

Thank you, Dinojen. I was watching the grandfather and his expressionless face while the father spoke w/ reporters. Something cold and silent about him.

Could be Shock and shame over his grandaughter raping and murdering the 8 yr old neighbor. I would be.

[For Gabriel]

Could be Shock and shame over his grandaughter raping and murdering the 8 yr old neighbor. I would be.

One would hope.

[CC I See]

The minority will go onto be sexual abusers if they suffered from abuse as a child but I still believe that the vast majority of those who were abused as children do not go on to be sexual predators of children. By that stance it would mean the millions of young children who are abused in our country would become child sexual predators and that is just not the case.

Most sex offenders who abuse children sexually weren't abused as a child.

Many females thinks it is nothing more than enticing and romancing the child which makes me want to hurl. If they want to blame it on supposed abuse that they supposedly went through then I don't find that shocking that they would try to sell that to some Doc that someone else was to blame for their wickedness but I don't believe it for one second.

Everyone has choices.

These perverts don't need abuse in their past to have the lust for little vulnerable children.

imo

I think that you might have misunderstood what I was posting. The majority of people who are abused do not become abusers. But when a person becomes a sexual offender, there is usually abuse in their background at some point. Being abused as a child is no predictor but once that person offends, there is usually abuse in their background.

[GentleBreeze]

In regards to lifting the suitcase, I can still lift 50 or more pounds even without a handle and I've gotten pretty soft. It would be a bit grunty getting it into and out of the car but quite doable, and the wheels would help with any other movement required.
The suitcase was found at the very edge of the pond and standing on one side, so it was probably dropped right at the edge because it was heavy. Even a strong man would have trouble flinging it out farther out into the muck.
I noticed that the cars at the church park up right next the to building by what appears to be the front entrance, which even has a sort of awning over the parked cars. It would be a very short amount of time that anyone could see who or what was getting into and out of the car.

Right, all she had to do is drive her car right up side the pond, take the suitcase to where it begins to slope down on the sides of the pond and gravity would pull the bag toward the pond.

I can pick up 50 pounds pretty easy and I am no spring chicken. In fact I just did it a couple of days ago when preparing my flower beds.

I sure could have used wheels on those bags though. :smile:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

I think that you might have misunderstood what I was posting. The majority of people who are abused do not become abusers. But when a person becomes a sexual offender, there is usually abuse in their background at some point. Being abused as a child is no predictor but once that person offends, there is usually abuse in their background.

Yes, I do understand what you are trying to say, CC. I just don't agree that the majority of female child sexual predators have past sexual abuse in their childhood.

I believe in women predators there are about 15 to 20% of them that do have childhood abuse in their history.

But I do respect your opinion highly.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this particular issue.:smile:


imoo

[Adalena935]

*** kinda talking to myself ***

That this type of evil can be right under our noses. What must have went through that child's mind as these horrible acts were being done unto her. Thinking where is my mom, dad, some adult that will stop this and protect me. Sandra may have trusted Melissa. I hope Melissa sees Sandra's face and the look she must have had as she drew her last breath....

It's awful but if she had a conscience she wouldn't have done this in the first place. She only cried at police station because she got caught. (meaning they had the evidence against her)

[dinojen]

Could be Shock and shame over his grandaughter raping and murdering the 8 yr old neighbor. I would be.

Could also be due to his age and poor health... I have no doubt he feels horrible as the rest of her family does about what his granddaughter is accused of.

[Adalena935]

This is gross but I wonder if the murder weapon is the foreign object?

I've heard of cases where hardened prostitutes were murdered as a result of such horror, so it's possible.

[Adalena935]

Good morning gang! :seeya:

So, my thoughts are, she drugged Sandra to make sex tapes/pictures to sell, as she was in financial difficulties. And if she did indeed drug another child previously, it might have been for the same reasons. I can't decide if she DID drug Sandra - was her death an accidental OD, or did she do it on purpose on the fear Sandra would tell someone what happened.

Is this what you guys are thinking?? Is this the general concensus?

Anxious for the hearing today!!

Bev

I don't think the purpose of kidnapping a live child is for unconsciousness. Don't know if you followed the Danielle Van Dam case but they have these unbelievable video's where children are screaming as they're being raped. I think it's wishful thinking that she was out of it. Sorry to be the one to say that but from other cases it's a whole lot grimmer than that. I'd say whatever it takes for people to feel okay is what they should have in their minds. It's the most horrible case.

[Destini]

On Fox40 news the Deputy District Attorney Robert Himelblau said when asked if she raped Sandra he said Thats what the complaint appears to imply BUT whether she personnaly did it, i'm not going to say. WTH?? I have a problem that it was late afternoon and no one saw Sandra in that church, seems strange and suspicious to me, but thats jmo.
http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_local_headlines/?Prosecutor-Rape-May-Be-Alleged-In-Sandra=1&blockID=265491&feedID=190

If they don't know whether she personally did it tells me they suspect someone else may have done it (duh).

Just in case anyone goes to that link, it's in the video, not the text portion.

I don't care what they're saying about no other suspects ..... I think there will be another arrest ... this statement by Mr. Himelblau makes me believe they have found evidence of the rape but Melissa has not admitted to that part. I think they're putting pressure on her to reveal someone else IMO.

[psbperu]

I don't think the purpose of kidnapping a live child is for unconsciousness. Don't know if you followed the Danielle Van Dam case but they have these unbelievable video's where children are screaming as they're being raped. I think it's wishful thinking that she was out of it. Sorry to be the one to say that but from other cases it's a whole lot grimmer than that. I'd say whatever it takes for people to feel okay is what they should have in their minds. It's the most horrible case.


Will never forget listening to the audio of that particular tape.

[dinojen]

Another interesting video from Stockton this morning.. In the video it does state the arraignment is at 1:30 in Stockton.

http://www.ktvu.com/video/19175108/index.html

[VC2]

Thanks for the video..Two familes have had their hearts torn into...

that i truly believe. It is impossible imo for them to wrap their heads around the idea that Melissa did this. Perhaps when it was possibly an accident and coverup but not this.

a poster mentioned the grandfather looked cold and expressionless behind the father..well he is from an older generation where you don't publicly show feelings as much, and he probably feels anger at the media and LE if he doesn't think melissa did it..but more, he has probably lost his life's work from her arrest..dont many pastors believe their church is sacrosant? to think it was defiled with the murder of a young girl..no matter who did it, let alone a granddaughter. I expect him to look expressionless. Also his doctrine was extreme (imo) and so he is likely the dour hellfire and brimstone sort of pastor anyway.

imo

[Adalena935]

Melissa's Father said (easter sunday interview w/press) he haden't talked to her by phone since December. So I don't place much stock in anything he said about her. He didn't know her is my premise. Wife took care of all that he said, so he was getting any info about her secondhand at best. He seemed like a nice guy, but so did Melissa until her true self was discovered.

He also said she'd never lived in Tracy until abt 7 mos ago. Moved there to help the grandparents. I think the family thought by moving away from her other legal troubles would snap her out of her criminal ways. All it did was give her fresh cover to ply her dirty deeds against an unsuspecting community.

I think there's probably a lot more women get away with this than what meets the eye. Even this monster is only known to have had certain run in's with the law up 'til now. You can bet there's plenty she's never been caught doing.

[Adalena935]

http://cbs13.com/video/?cid=7

The reporters are even asking family members about Chris Sinclair.

I've thought all along he'll be in the slammer sooner or later even if it's on the fringes of Sandra's murder. He and probably other people too.

Just a matter of time.

[Debb]

I originally wondered how she alone would have the strength to handle the suitcase, but I think back to when I was in my 20's. I was 5'5, average build and 130 pounds. I did what I had to. Once I moved a large, full sized dresser up a flight of stairs in my apt. by myself! I inched it up little by little. I also moved a full sized bed alone several times, including the mattress and box springs. Friends could barely believe it, but I did it because at the time I needed the items moved, there was no one around to help me. I wouldn't think of doing it now.

I think it is possible she transported that suitcase alone. Why would the police be so explicit about there not being another person under suspicion if they thought she didn't act alone?

[Adalena935]

Thanks for the link.

"We're in shock." - Brian Lawless

no doubt

[kitty1182]

I don't believe that MH's family members are involved. I pray that they are not. I just don't see it and when I watched them during interviews I see nothing but a broken hearted bunch. It's terrible. I can't even imagine how they must be feeling emotionally right now.

That is all I see too, a broken hearted family..:sad:

[Adalena935]

I originally wondered how she alone would have the strength to handle the suitcase, but I think back to when I was in my 20's. I was 5'5, average build and 130 pounds. I did what I had to. Once I moved a large, full sized dresser up a flight of stairs in my apt. by myself! I inched it up little by little. I also moved a full sized bed alone several times, including the mattress and box springs. Friends could barely believe it, but I did it because at the time I needed the items moved, there was no one around to help me. I wouldn't think of doing it now.

I think it is possible she transported that suitcase alone. Why would the police be so explicit about there not being another person under suspicion if they thought she didn't act alone?

You have to look at how they word it. They didn't say what you think they said. They qualified IN THIS CASE. Which means there could be other spinoff cases that others could be involved in.

[Adalena935]

I'm sick of hearing people say what loving people murderers are. Loving people. Loving parents. Loving loving loving.

She's a loving mother. She loved all kids. Yeah, to death

[Adalena935]

She's a no good bumb before this at best. Good people don't do breaking & entering and theft. Good people don't lie, cheat and steal. Good people don't use others as a doormat and ravage society.

They're delusional and it's the denial that helps perpetrate the horror. All they're doing is kidding themselves by saying what they wish their thieving, lying, cheating murderous relatives are.

[dinojen]

Melissa's Father said (easter sunday interview w/press) he haden't talked to her by phone since December. So I don't place much stock in anything he said about her. He didn't know her is my premise. Wife took care of all that he said, so he was getting any info about her secondhand at best. He seemed like a nice guy, but so did Melissa until her true self was discovered.

He also said she'd never lived in Tracy until abt 7 mos ago. Moved there to help the grandparents. I think the family thought by moving away from her other legal troubles would snap her out of her criminal ways. All it did was give her fresh cover to ply her dirty deeds against an unsuspecting community.

I think there's probably a lot more women get away with this than what meets the eye. Even this monster is only known to have had certain run in's with the law up 'til now. You can bet there's plenty she's never been caught doing.



I don't put much in the fact that her father and her didn't speak on the phone often... my husband is always complaining that our daughter doesn't call him unless she can't get a hold of me.. and we talk maybe two, three times a day if not more.. and she lives in Florida. Doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she him.. she occasionally calls him when she thinks of something he is interested in.. but the rest of the stuff is just girl talk.. that dad's usually have no interest in.

Melissa's dad did say they text each other.. so it's not that they didn't have any communication.

In an article I read today... I believe I posted the link.. that she went back and forth from the Tracy area to So. CA several times..

I think what she did was horrible.. I try not to think about how Sandra died.. to me I don't need all the grime details.. I know this woman is accused of killing a young girl and deserves to pay for it.

But I don't think we are going to see a other crimes of this type in her background.. just don't see it. JMHO.

[Adalena935]

Yup. I agree 100%...

That's what I think. Tip of the iceburg so far. The first news I read said Chris Sinclair (neighbor who lived in the mobile home park) was a registered sex offender, a habitual drunkard and my guess is drug offender too just to name the short list. He's a loose cannon it sounded like to me. Said he's violent, volatile and always causing problems to the point his own parents filed a restraining order against him.

And they said Melissa didn't make friends. baloney I say. I think it's just that she didn't have friends that anyone knew about. Now we know the reason for that. She's hiding her evil.

[bama__angel]

I don't put much in the fact that her father and her didn't speak on the phone often... my husband is always complaining that our daughter doesn't call him unless she can't get a hold of me.. and we talk maybe two, three times a day if not more.. and she lives in Florida. Doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she him.. she occasionally calls him when she thinks of something he is interested in.. but the rest of the stuff is just girl talk.. that dad's usually have no interest in.

Melissa's dad did say they text each other.. so it's not that they didn't have any communication.

In an article I read today... I believe I posted the link.. that she went back and forth from the Tracy area to So. CA several times..

I think what she did was horrible.. I try not to think about how Sandra died.. to me I don't need all the grime details.. I know this woman is accused of killing a young girl and deserves to pay for it.

But I don't think we are going to see a other crimes of this type in her background.. just don't see it. JMHO.



Do you believe that she just woke up on Friday March 27th and suddenly became a pedophile? Not a chance....IMO

[ortiga]

that i truly believe. It is impossible imo for them to wrap their heads around the idea that Melissa did this. Perhaps when it was possibly an accident and coverup but not this.


imo

Hey VC, I was willing to think that it could have been some "discipline" accident, due to jealousy, revenge for something real or supposed that maybe Sandra did to her own child.

But with this....no accident, but yes coverup.

I still can't get my mind around the timeline....when did Grandma call her up to say she found the cell phone and keys? Did the church have a land line to call MH on?

[playnice]

I don't believe that MH's family members are involved. I pray that they are not. I just don't see it and when I watched them during interviews I see nothing but a broken hearted bunch. It's terrible. I can't even imagine how they must be feeling emotionally right now.

One bad apple can destroy so many lives.
Not only has she destroyed Sandras family she has destroyed her own.
Her little girl lost her mommy and her friend.
How in the world will they ever explain to this child what happened and the pain she will have to live with as she growns up and has to face that truth?

[kitty1182]

One bad apple can destroy so many lives.
Not only has she destroyed Sandras family she has destroyed her own.
Her little girl lost her mommy and her friend.
How in the world will they ever explain to this child what happened and the pain she will have to live with as she growns up and has to face that truth?

Great post....

[playnice]

Do you believe that she just woke up on Friday March 27th and suddenly became a pedophile? Not a chance....IMO

I dont think it was her first time but maybe the first time she injured a child so bad she required medical attention or a child old enough to threaten to tell on her so for one or both reasons she felt she had to kill her.

[dinojen]

Do you believe that she just woke up on Friday March 27th and suddenly became a pedophile? Not a chance....IMO

I think I will wait to see the evidence before labeling her a pedophile.. IMO

[bama__angel]

I think I will wait to see the evidence before labeling her a pedophile.. IMO



Ok...According to LE Sandra was raped with a foreign object.....Huckaby has been arrested.....If not a pedophile, who or what is she?

[Adalena935]

I don't put much in the fact that her father and her didn't speak on the phone often... my husband is always complaining that our daughter doesn't call him unless she can't get a hold of me.. and we talk maybe two, three times a day if not more.. and she lives in Florida. Doesn't mean he doesn't love her or she him.. she occasionally calls him when she thinks of something he is interested in.. but the rest of the stuff is just girl talk.. that dad's usually have no interest in.

Melissa's dad did say they text each other.. so it's not that they didn't have any communication.

In an article I read today... I believe I posted the link.. that she went back and forth from the Tracy area to So. CA several times..

I think what she did was horrible.. I try not to think about how Sandra died.. to me I don't need all the grime details.. I know this woman is accused of killing a young girl and deserves to pay for it.

But I don't think we are going to see a other crimes of this type in her background.. just don't see it. JMHO.

His easter sunday interview he said she never lived in Tracy before abt 6 - 7 mos ago. That the news reports were wrong that said otherwise. So who knows.

My premise is the man didn't know her. He said he haden't communicated with her since December (in the easter sunday interview). So now he's contradicting himself from his interview with press 48 hrs ago. That's familiar. Family circling the wagons to protect the killer. I think that's a lot of what's wrong with these habitual criminals. They've always received safe harbor from their families regardless and rewarded with love and praise for the low-life's they've shown themselves to be. That's a big part of the problem

There's too many people who think a little breaking & entering, a little thievery, lying isn't such a bad thing. They're way too willing to accept living in the gutter with their disgusting relatives who set the mark for the whole family's value system. And the families are all too willing to let them.

Tolerance is the last virtue.

I'm sickened by all of it. Reason being it leads to incidents just like Sandra Cantu's rape, torture and murder, then stuffed in a suitcase and pitched in a cow excrement pond.

Sandra's dead at her hands and she's alive to be championed by the family touting her as a loving person, a loving mother. Just a loving mom with a few bad breaks. She loved kids, blah blah blah blah

How loving can she be.

[Adalena935]

The wheels on the luggage had to have helped assist her.

[Ice Cycle]

If they don't know whether she personally did it tells me they suspect someone else may have done it (duh).

Just in case anyone goes to that link, it's in the video, not the text portion.

I don't care what they're saying about no other suspects ..... I think there will be another arrest ... this statement by Mr. Himelblau makes me believe they have found evidence of the rape but Melissa has not admitted to that part. I think they're putting pressure on her to reveal someone else IMO.

Just been catching up for the day and just listened to that video, so what is the deal why do they keep dancing around these questions?

[ortiga]

I'm an inch and a half taller and 10 pounds heavier than you, I lift 50 pnd. dog food bags also and can carry four (4) 50 FT wooden posts up a hill by myself. I still don't believe it would be so easy in this case. I'm considering the shape, size and weight of the suitcase and I believe it would be very difficult if not impossible to throw that suitcase into that sludge pond where it was originally found even when I consider in the adrenaline factor. JMO

We don't know if it floated for awhile, she could have just pushed it towards the middle. It sounds like the road went right to the pond.

There are conflicting reports as to whether the suitcase was found floating, or found on the bottom when the pool was drained, IIRC.

I think it is easily possible for her to have moved the suitcase around while it was still dry, with Sandra inside. There must be wheel marks, and her car tire marks there. She could have levered the suitcase into the car, (what type of car did she have? A pickup would be easy.) and then levered it out, and rolled it to the pond, gave it a push out.

IMO

[Adalena935]

I think I will wait to see the evidence before labeling her a pedophile.. IMO

I believe she's guilty of the charges. I think they wouldn't have been able to charge her without solid evidence linking her to the crime. And not just one or two pieces of evidence. I think they have quite a lot of evidence and probably a confession. I don't think they'll have any trouble proving their case against her.

She labeled herself a pedophile.

[Ice Cycle]

Was it a rolling suitcase? I am 5"8"/123 and I can lift my suitcase when I go out of town by myself....and last time I traveled (it weighed 52 lbs, I know because I had to pay $25 for being over 50).

Plus MH had a child of her own that I am sure she was accustomed to lifting her often?

I personally do not think she would of had a problem lifting the suitcase, determination can add alot to one's strength as I'am sure she was.

[psbperu]

Wonder how much planning on MH's part was involved in this murder?

Was it a crime of opportunity, had she silently stalked this child in her mind, groomed her for the heinous act she inevitably committed?

Hard for me to believe that she hasn't molested a child before.

[ortiga]

Hmmm. I hadn't heard there were conflicting stories on whether it was found floating or submerged...If you have a link that would be interesting to look at.
tia.
As for wheel makrs yeah that all makes sense. LE prolly won't reveal all that information.

I'm sorry I haven't kept links on this case. I did read one IIRC that said the suitcase was found "floating" and another that said it was on the bottom when the pond was drained, and that it hadn't been before when the pond was filled.

Do you know what kind of car she had access to?

ETA here's one that says "floating" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515518,00.html

And here's one that says found on "bottom" of pond. http://www.timesheraldonline.com/editorial/ci_12105449

[playnice]

I personally do not think she would of had a problem lifting the suitcase, determination can add alot to one's strength as I'am sure she was.

Fear of being caught with a dead body would be motivating enough. You would drag it, roll it or do whatever you had to get rid of it.

[dinojen]

I believe she's guilty of the charges. I think they wouldn't have been able to charge her without solid evidence linking her to the crime. And not just one or two pieces of evidence. I think they have quite a lot of evidence and probably a confession. I don't think they'll have any trouble proving their case against her.

She labeled herself a pedophile.

All I am saying is.. we need to wait and see what they finally charge her with today.. every report I have read said they were considering adding additional charges.

I'm not defending her actions or what she did or her for that matter.. I just think the evidence needs to be there in order for them to make the charges stick.

And we don't know anything because they haven't released anything.. where she died, how she died or the evidence of her being raped.

I'm also thinking we will hear the charges today.. but that's about it.. if they put a gag order out on the torture case, I'm thinking the judge will do the same in this high interest case.

[kitty1182]

Fear of being caught with a dead body would be motivating enough. You would drag it, roll it or do whatever you had to get rid of it.

True, it wouldn't be like she was trying to be gentle with it..

[Adalena935]

Yeah but think about it...How far can you actually throw it with a 50 pound body inside. I bet LE is considering this also. (Makes me want to put a 50 pound bag of dogfood in a suitcase just to see if it can be done.) Huh though!

The hardest part would be getting the suitcase into her vehicle. After that all she had to do was pull it off. It had wheels and a handle and the sides of the collection pond is sloping. I think she had it weighted.

[ortiga]

A Kia van and a cadillac were both taken in IIRC. Also think about this..."if" the luggage were floating in that sludge pond there were people there in the area looking for Sandra including LE. Had the luggage been floating they would surely have seen it. There again, I know the body emits gases after a period of time and that those gases could have caused the suitcase to float up on the day it was found even. It's possible.

I'd think it would have floated for quite some time, and then, as you point out, surfaced again. I was wondering if she had put something in it to make it sink, (thus making it much heavier) even if she had poked holes in it that would have taken awhile to sink, maybe it wouldn't have sunk at all if air was trapped.

[kitty1182]

I wonder if she will plea NG today?

Also, did someone post on here yesterday that the child MH spoke about before that was "drugged" was acutally SANDRA?

Don't think so..It was some child she had a the park without the mother knowing...

[Adalena935]

A Kia van and a cadillac were both taken in IIRC. Also think about this..."if" the luggage were floating in that sludge pond there were people there in the area looking for Sandra including LE. Had the luggage been floating they would surely have seen it. There again, I know the body emits gases after a period of time and that those gases could have caused the suitcase to float up on the day it was found even. It's possible.

Well they didn't discover it until they were in the process of draining the pond.

[playnice]

Don't think so..It was some child she had a the park without the mother knowing...

And didnt this happen after Sanda went missing? Some child she took 2-3 times a week to the park and she said grandma gave permission but mom didnt know and called the cops? :confused:

[ortiga]

The hardest part would be getting the suitcase into her vehicle. After that all she had to do was pull it off. It had wheels and a handle and the sides of the collection pond is sloping. I think she had it weighted.


If the SUV has a good opening door in the back, and if the suitcase was pretty large as they say, it wouldn't have been at all hard to kind of lever it in. Putting the top part of the suitcase in, then lift up the other part....simple, IMO. I wonder if she could have put rocks on top of it while it was on the shore of the pond to make it sink, then pushing it out.

[Adalena935]

I wonder if she will plea NG today?

Also, did someone post on here yesterday that the child MH spoke about before that was "drugged" was acutally SANDRA?

I think she'll pelad guilty. Yes, someone in yesterday's thread said the child was Sandra that she talked to Tracy Press about. She said she had been accused of drugging a child and having her at the park. (she was never at the park with the other child imo. she's lying). She said the child's mother took her to the doctor, had blood tests done & it was discovered she had drugs in her system.

Whether it's true or another one of her cock and bull's who knows. Maybe like Casey Anthony habitual liars lace their stories with some truth, thus telling on themselves. Maybe she had drugged and molested Sandra with a date rape drug previous occasions, who knows. I'm just guessing her.

But yeah, I read that post too that you reference.

[kitty1182]

And didnt this happen after Sanda went missing? Some child she took 2-3 times a week to the park and she said grandma gave permission but mom didnt know and called the cops? :confused:

Don't remember if was before or after..Just remember the cops went and spoke to MH about it because the mother of the child said she had been drugged..

Yes, the mom didn't know she had took her to the park.

[OneUp]

Fear of being caught with a dead body would be motivating enough. You would drag it, roll it or do whatever you had to get rid of it.
Exactly! Small women have singlehandedly disposed of the bodies of full grown men before...and without the aid of wheels during at least part of the transport.
I'm 5'2", and I can throw a large bag of feed ( dog or poultry) about 20 feet...without adrenalin, etc. People debated whether or not Casey Anthony could heft around the weight of precious little Caylee too...I don't think anyone doubts she could now. :( Mothers regularly lift children weighing well over 50 pounds just in the daily course of "mothering". Some may not believe it...but this could have readily been done by melissa, and only melissa. She looks fairly strapping to me despite any claims about her health. etc.
Nasty creature she is! I'm glad to see, even in the throes of shock and denial, that her family is behaving like human beings with compassion for the little victim. Just proves it IS possible to be torn up and still have compassion and kindness rather than lashing out at anyone nearby.
I really feel for her family, tho, not nearly the pain I empathize for Sandra's family. I know how hard the loss of innocent life is, and my prayers continue to be with Sandra's mother and all her family.
JMO.
BTW, the stats. on childhood abuse site that 15-20% of ALL adult women were victims of abuse...not just 15-20% of known predators. An even higner number of women ( which includes those abused as children) will have been victims of some form of sexual assault in their lifetimes. About one in 3-4. MOST of us women will be touched by sexual abuse either as adults or children, either ourselves or someone close to us..sad isn't it?
Look around the room your in now or think of your immediate family and apply those numbers. Those are CONSERVATIVE estimates based upon reported crime too....real numbers are liable to be even higher. Anecdotal evidence from life and my career tells me it is an under-estimate.
I admit, I'm hyper-vigilant about my two girls. They are too precious to take chances with, iId rather have the therapy bills from a hovering mother than from sexual assault any day!
I too am gettinig VERY irked to hear this monster repeatedly referred to as a Sunday School Teacher. I guess the media just cannot give up sensationalism.
Again, JMO.

[kitty1182]

I agree, I think that's the total of what we'll hear today. A formal reading of the charges, a question to Melissa if she understands the charges, and then how do you plea.

I wonder if she has a lawyer...

[dinojen]

I agree, I think that's the total of what we'll hear today. A formal reading of the charges, a question to Melissa if she understands the charges, and then how do you plea.


I doubt she will plea.. I don't think she even has an attorney yet, more than likely the court will appoint one today... so the only thing I think we will hear are the charges.

[Adalena935]

If the SUV has a good opening door in the back, and if the suitcase was pretty large as they say, it wouldn't have been at all hard to kind of lever it in. Putting the top part of the suitcase in, then lift up the other part....simple, IMO. I wonder if she could have put rocks on top of it while it was on the shore of the pond to make it sink, then pushing it out.

I can't know if it was weighted, I'm just guessing. It's my thinking that she might have weighted the suitcase. Disc wts from a barbell set would work in that capacity.

I'm a 110# mid-60's old woman & I can lift a 100# sack of cement. I'm not talking about lifting it up over my head, but I can lift it from the floor and into a cart. And as someone said getting rid of a body of a child you just raped and murdered, probably drugged would be a supreme motivator. Melissa's only 28 yrs old and apparently otherwise healthy. There's no doubt in my mind she could've lifted the suitcase with Sandra in it. The sacks of cement I've lifted didn't even have wheels or a handle.

Anyone can goto a home improvement store and lift a 50# sack of cement to see for themselves or a 100# one for that matter. Life's an experimental lab. It's not unknowable.

http://www.edmunds.com/kia/sportage/review.html

KIA sportage SUV

They don't sit very high. My son's friend has one.

ETA: Here's the sorento specs. http://www.autobuyguide.com/2009/12-aut/kia/sorento/specifications/index.html

[royals02]

I'm sorry if this has been brought up already but I didn't have time to go thru all the posts...but in light of the additional new charges .....
Do you guys remember when the grandmother was interviewed in her car and she made a remark to the effect of how horrible for someone to abuse and murder a beautiful little girl.....My question is this....do you guys think the grandmother knew something....why would she make that remark about Sandra being "abused"....there were no reports in the media at that time about abuse or rape.....
It makes me even sicker to think that family members might have known what happened to Sandra at MH's hands

[Adalena935]

I doubt she will plea.. I don't think she even has an attorney yet, more than likely the court will appoint one today... so the only thing I think we will hear are the charges.

Oh I think you're right. I forgot they don't enter a plea right away. Don't you think her family will hire a lawyer for her eventually? She'll probably get court-appointed one initially I agree.

[ortiga]

I can't know if it was weighted, I'm just guessing. It's my thinking that she might have weighted the suitcase. Disc wts from a barbell set would work in that capacity.

I'm a 110# mid-60's old woman & I can lift a 100# sack of cement. I'm not talking about lifting it up over my head, but I can lift it from the floor and into a cart. And as someone said getting rid of a body of a child you just raped and murdered, probably drugged would be a supreme motivator. Melissa's only 28 yrs old and apparently otherwise healthy. There's no doubt in my mind she could've lifted the suitcase with Sandra in it. The sacks of cement I've lifted didn't even have wheels or a handle.

Anyone can goto a home improvement store and lift a 50# sack of cement to see for themselves or a 100# one for that matter. Life's an experimental lab. It's not unknowable.

http://www.edmunds.com/kia/sportage/review.html

KIA sportage SUV

They don't sit very high. My son's friend has one.

IMO there's no doubt at all that she could maneuver that suitcase with Sandra inside.

I think she will plead guilty or do some kind of plea, simply because I don't think those churches nor the families will want the microscope put onto their congregations or lives. How does a congregation of <30 people support a church? Who is getting the tax break? There have been conflicting reports as to where exactly she was a Sunday school teacher, ie in the church of her parents (IIRC) or in that of her GPs. Every single parent who has children in either of the churches will be up at arms, IMO.

I predict it will turn out similar to that case in Utah where the guy shot his poor wife and put her in the dump. His family influenced him to own up, and thus avoided a long drawn out microscope into their own lives and religion.

IMO

[kitty1182]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.

lol:lol::lol:

[Ice Cycle]

I agree, I think that's the total of what we'll hear today. A formal reading of the charges, a question to Melissa if she understands the charges, and then how do you plea.

Wonder if she has hired a Attorney yet? I would of thought the family would be getting someone.

[OneUp]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.LOL! That sounds like me! I tested my own lift capacity in various situations early in the Caylee Anthony case...I can readily lift 100 pounds, and even throw it about 7 feet with a sideways sort of twisting toss. I can throw less much farther...and I'm willing to bet that adrenaline and fear wold get an even greater distance. I'm 5'2" and not especially strong.
Daily, I carry a 2 Y.O. ( 30 lbs.), large purse, diaper bag, and a good sized stroller to the car all at once...I'm betting it gets close to 50 pounds. That's just part of being a mom IMO. Many of us lift children weiging 60-80 pounds.
again, JMO

[VC2]

I think that you might have misunderstood what I was posting. The majority of people who are abused do not become abusers. But when a person becomes a sexual offender, there is usually abuse in their background at some point. Being abused as a child is no predictor but once that person offends, there is usually abuse in their background.

I agree CC, it doesn't necessarily mean it was sexual abuse though..jus that most were abused sexually, physically or emotionally. Enough to stop them being able to develop normal healthy relationships with adults. the majority (and i don't mean melissa bc i don't think she fits the majority) of pedophiles actually believe they have a relationship/love the child..its really a sick twisted replacement for what we know of as a loving adult relationship. The sadists are something else again, imo they were twisted in a different way, wanting to hurt and maim or kill. Some psychiatrists believe they are acting out on the children as if it was themselves as a child...the worthless useless child they believed of themselves. Rather like adult serial killers go after a victim type that often reminds them of an important figure in their lives, mother, girlfriend etc. that let them down. Edward Kemper was a perfect example of that..abused as a child by his mom, he killed women until finally he killed his mother, took her larynx and put it down the garbage disposal then called cops and turned himself in. He had finally faced the person he really wanted to kill and so had no further need to continue. Imo sadisitic child murderers and rapists are a lot like serial killers in their thinking but its turned against children.

Melissa is truly a unique case though. When the FBI wants to interview a person to learn more for their profiling its something they haven't seen much of before.

imo

[Adalena935]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.

lizzie ha! When I read your first sentence I had the mental image of it bursting open. Call your dog in. lol

I once had an English bulldog. They're like vacuum cleaners with that flat face. He just put his snout on the floor and inhaled. I never had crumbs. lol

[Adalena935]

So be safe...check out your own town...near your kids schools and home...and places they frequent. Cannot be safe enough today!

snipped for space. Yes thank heavens they made those databases available to the public.

[5boxersmom]

lizzie ha! When I read your first sentence I had the mental image of it bursting open. Call your dog in. lol

I once had an English bulldog. They're like vacuum cleaners with that flat face. He just put his snout on the floor and inhaled. I never had crumbs. lol

:biggrin:

We call my dad's bully Hoover.

Did MH have a job?

[VC2]

I am not a mother (unless my 2 most wonderful dogs count)...but I have a niece that is 7 and weighs close to 50lbs. She is tiny..this case has affected me beyond any other I have seen, simply because I have watched her skip and swing her arms like Sandra more times than I can remember. She lives in NC and since this trial, I have went online, printed out every SO in a 10 mile radius of her home and school (there were more than I expected - 7). (I printed info, photos and mailed them to her dad so at least they have the info). And they are talking to my niece often to just make sure she understands how to be safe. I guess this reminds us to take a look at those things near our own home. I even looked near my home as well and found I have 2 (kidnapping, rape and child molestion) SO within 15/20 miles of me.

So be safe...check out your own town...near your kids schools and home...and places they frequent. Cannot be safe enough today!

problem is the biggest dangers aren't the known SO's to most. Majority of children are abused or killed by family members or family friends, teachers, girl scout leaders etc etc.

its a good idea to check, but i would be more concerned about an uncle (or aunt i guess) than SO 10 miles away :(

[Adalena935]

YES YES YES..I brought this up last nite on the boards.....she used the word ABUSED....and nothing was known at that time. UNLESS they were asked questions by the police that allured to it?? But I did find that comment to be distrubing.

Yeah in retrospect that was weird she used that word. Not that murder isn't the ultimate abuse. But she distinguished by saying both.

I don't know why anyone would abuse and murder that tiny little child, or something close to that. The video is on KRON and other local media.

LE might have tipped their hand to Melissa's grandmother but who knows what they said to her about the details.

[darjeeling]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.

LOL, thanks. We (I) needed that.

[KittyMom]

I'm seeing 1:30 being given as the time for the arrainment. Is that pacific tiem?

[ortiga]

Yeah I suppose she could have swung the suitcase around and for that matter maybe even gone around in a full circle before releasing it towards the water. Surely it is possible I suppose.


If she had to approach the pond, and not just let the suitcase go and it went down a slope into the pond....well there must have been a distinctive mud in her car, one that had well, cow feces as a component. I can't picture that she had to throw it at all. Also, wondering if the pond goes under an overpass?

[Sweetly]

Will the arraignment be held live this morning? If so, will someone please post some URL'S where it can be watched? Thanks so much! :crying:

[~jomomma~]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.

OMG lizzie!!!! Lol

i'm hiding behind my monitor at work snickering!!! i'm gonna get in trouble here!!! too funny!

[royals02]

And now in light of the new charges what do you guys make of the burly bushy haired church "maintanence man" with a key FRED WLLIAMS dropping off a note "From Sandra to her Killer" saying "God will forgive you." ! How could this be going on that frequently and him NOT know?

Also he and his wife have rap sheets and they had a tag sale on March 28, day after Sandra was murdered.

Oh I am so glad you brought this one up...I find him to be quite shady...I posted a bunch of questions about him the other day and no one answered....waaaaaaa
Odd...he put that note there....he is the one who brought up the missing suitcase and a rummage sale (that no one seemed to know about)...and whats the deal with his and wife's rap sheet....I wanted to look it up but ofcourse I had no idea how to do that

[~jomomma~]

If she had to approach the pond, and not just let the suitcase go and it went down a slope into the pond....well there must have been a distinctive mud in her car, one that had well, cow feces as a component. I can't picture that she had to throw it at all. Also, wondering if the pond goes under an overpass?

i've been wondering just how much evidence they got from the pond area!

[kitty1182]

Oh I am so glad you brought this one up...I find him to be quite shady...I posted a bunch of questions about him the other day and no one answered....waaaaaaa
Odd...he put that note there....he is the one who brought up the missing suitcase and a rummage sale (that no one seemed to know about)...and whats the deal with his and wife's rap sheet....I wanted to look it up but ofcourse I had no idea how to do that

Isn't this the man who also lives in a 4000sq. foot home? Suppose to be a very nice home..

[SwFlorida]

:biggrin:

We call my dad's bully Hoover.

Did MH have a job?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html

Relatives said her only current job was the Sunday school teaching, according to the Chronicle.

[Adalena935]

:biggrin:

We call my dad's bully Hoover.

Did MH have a job?

An appropriate name for a bulldog. lol I've read news that she did not have a job. It was a more recent news article. Also her Father in the Easter Sunday interview said that was one of the causes of her depression that she cited to him; couldn't find a job.

Talking about picking up heavy objects; I'm 110# & my bulldog was 97#'s and I picked him up all the time. I couldn't run a footrace holding him, but I could pick him up and hold him. I put him in the back of my truck many times. And my truck was a lot higher off the ground than Melissa's KIA SUV and she's a lot younger than I was at the time.

[kitty1182]

i've been wondering just how much evidence they got from the pond area!

I'm thinking they matched her tires with the tire tracks...

[merical]

If I understand it correctly, premeditated murder doesn't have to mean that the killer spent time before hand plotting a murder. It just means that at some point, she made the decision to intentionally kill the child, even if it were five minutese before she did the deed.

I think whatever happened in the course of the kidnapping either led Sandra to being obviously injured or AWARE of what was going on and MH made the decision to kill to stay out of trouble. I think that is why she used her suitcase. If she had been plotting beforehand, I would imagine that she'd have found something that would not ever be linked to her. Makes me wonder how long she'd been abusing this kid and getting away with it before something went wrong.

Also, don't know what the weather is like up in STockton area, but down towards Fresno we're having dust storm warnings and the possibility of zero visability...wonder if that would impact the arraignment today?

[royals02]

Isn't this the man who also lives in a 4000sq. foot home? Suppose to be a very nice home..

Exactly kitty....a maintenance man at a church with 15 or so members and he has a huge home....I dont get that either

[Adalena935]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html

Relatives said her only current job was the Sunday school teaching, according to the Chronicle.

Usually that's volunteer. I read one news link yesterday where her grandfather said she did not teach sunday school. I never believed she was a sunday school teacher. She's a documented liar as we know now.

[GentleBreeze]

Melissa's Father said (easter sunday interview w/press) he haden't talked to her by phone since December. So I don't place much stock in anything he said about her. He didn't know her is my premise. Wife took care of all that he said, so he was getting any info about her secondhand at best. He seemed like a nice guy, but so did Melissa until her true self was discovered.

He also said she'd never lived in Tracy until abt 7 mos ago. Moved there to help the grandparents. I think the family thought by moving away from her other legal troubles would snap her out of her criminal ways. All it did was give her fresh cover to ply her dirty deeds against an unsuspecting community.

I think there's probably a lot more women get away with this than what meets the eye. Even this monster is only known to have had certain run in's with the law up 'til now. You can bet there's plenty she's never been caught doing.


Has anyone seen Melissa's mother? Surely she would come to see her daughter, wouldn't she?

imo

[Ice Cycle]

Morning, Ice Cycle (if that's your real name). I just went and threw a full bag of dog food, with determination but not adreneline. It went almost 5 feet.

You will now all please excuse me while I go sweep dog food off the floor. Thinking ahead is not always my strong point.

Yes online name anyway, sorry for the mess did not realize anyone was going to test my theory. Maybe I should of added fear motivation to my comment.

[Adalena935]

Exactly kitty....a maintenance man at a church with 15 or so members and he has a huge home....I dont get that either

That is questionable if true. You'd think red flags would've gone up with the IRS wouldn't you? I bet LE's investigating him.

[GentleBreeze]

Exactly kitty....a maintenance man at a church with 15 or so members and he has a huge home....I don't get that either

Congregants volunteer their time. He could have been the caretaker of the place yet have another income all together. He may not even charge the church if he has to do something for them.

I thought I read in that area 500k is about the average price for a home?

imo

[~jomomma~]

I'm thinking they matched her tires with the tire tracks...

yup! they may be able to tell where she put the suitcase in at too.

IIRC, it hadn't rained at all until the day of (or after) Sandra was found.


bless her soul *crying*


(sometimes i can use the smilies from work, sometimes i can't)
*roll eyes*

[Adalena935]

Gentle, MLH supposedly "planned in advance" to have her mom Judy pick up Madison and take her on "vacation somewhere" the day after Sandra disappeared. March 28. How about those apples?!:wink:

Yup, just a lil' planned vacation don'tcha know. While Melissa was bleeding to death in Critical Care Unit.

Hokie at best in my opinion.

[BevAnn]

I've always felt Fred Williams is involved some how....I'm still holding strong to my sex tape/pic theory and that MH did this for money...and my theory would mean, SOMEone had to propose money to her for the tapes/pics....

Could be why LE keeps saying someone may be charged, but not in this case. It would a child porn charge.

The only thing in my theory - if this were the case....I would think they might be able to charge him with accessory to murder. Maybe??

Heck, I don't know. Has the hearing started yet? I have 2:06 CA time...

[GentleBreeze]

Gentle, MLH supposedly "planned in advance" to have her mom Judy pick up Madison and take her on "vacation somewhere" the day after Sandra disappeared. March 28. How about those apples?!:wink:

That sure sounds suspicious doesn't it. What timing.

But things have changed now. It looks like Melissa's own mother would want to come back to Tracey to see her jailed daughter.

Is she afraid for some reason to bring the 5 year old back there?:confused:

imo

[5boxersmom]

An appropriate name for a bulldog. lol I've read news that she did not have a job. It was a more recent news article. Also her Father in the Easter Sunday interview said that was one of the causes of her depression that she cited to him; couldn't find a job.

Talking about picking up heavy objects; I'm 110# & my bulldog was 97#'s and I picked him up all the time. I couldn't run a footrace holding him, but I could pick him up and hold him. I put him in the back of my truck many times. And my truck was a lot higher off the ground than Melissa's KIA SUV and she's a lot younger than I was at the time.

That's his nickname, his real name is Chopper. :biggrin: Yes I can lift him and my boxers also. I also lift heavy dog food bags. Will not do the experiment that lizzie did. LOL

I am sure she could lift the suitcase.

imo

[Adalena935]

yup! they may be able to tell where she put the suitcase in at too.
IIRC, it hadn't rained at all until the day of (or after) Sandra was found.
bless her soul *crying*
(sometimes i can use the smilies from work, sometimes i can't)
*roll eyes*

It was dry until the day after they collected evidence at the pond. Thank heavens they were able to get footprints and tire tracks and most likely wheel marks from the suitcase.

Sandra's case haunted me from the time I first heard of her being missing. Sweet little girl.

I hope they give that mean old witch that did this to her the death penalty. She's earned it.

[kitty1182]

Exactly Kitty. Pretty nice size home for a maintenance man with a rap sheet taped to his refrigerator eh? :sneaky:

Sure is! :wink:

[5boxersmom]

Did MH have a job? <<

Boxermom, Yeah she used to word at a grocery store and was a sunday school teacher at ANOTHER church in some other town several hours away from Tracy.

Interesting....

[kitty1182]

I thought the father of Madison has her? Johnny Hubkaby? Does MH mom have her?

I think the child's father and stepmother have her now..

[BevAnn]

CA time currently is only 10:16...will be 4:00 est.


CRAP! Alwill - I got it backwards...DUH!! LOL sorry! I always do that!

:blushing:

[Adalena935]

That's his nickname, his real name is Chopper. :biggrin: Yes I can lift him and my boxers also. I also lift heavy dog food bags. Will not do the experiment that lizzie did. LOL

I am sure she could lift the suitcase.

imo

Yes, lifting heavy bags of dog food is something women do regularly. I love boxers too. Sweet animals. When I'm gardening sometimes my neighbor's will get loose and they come up on both sides of me; slurp slurp slurp.

LOL Nope I won't be pitching sacks of dogfood anytime soon. LOL
That could be a new sport. Dogfood toss.

[kitty1182]

It was dry until the day after they collected evidence at the pond. Thank heavens they were able to get footprints and tire tracks and most likely wheel marks from the suitcase.

Sandra's case haunted me from the time I first heard of her being missing. Sweet little girl.

I hope they give that mean old witch that did this to her the death penalty. She's earned it.

If she doesn't get the DP, then Calif. should do away with it then..imo
:mad:

[GentleBreeze]

I thought the father of Madison has her? Johnny Hubkaby? Does MH mom have her?

I dunno. Someone said yesterday that was just a rumor that her dad had her but if he does then where is Ma Huckaby?

imo

[bama__angel]

If she doesn't get the DP, then Calif. should do away with it then..imo
:mad:



A....to the Men on that one....ITA

[Adalena935]

I'm not buying the Sunday School Teacher story. With her recent rap sheet (prior to SC's dissapearance) it seems that it would be a good cover for a lighter sentence though. Just my thoughts.

Yes good cover for a lighter sentence. O look how good I've suddenly become.

[kitty1182]

Yes, lifting heavy bags of dog food is something women do regularly. I love boxers too. Sweet animals. When I'm gardening sometimes my neighbor's will get loose and they come up on both sides of me; slurp slurp slurp.

LOL Nope I won't be pitching sacks of dogfood anytime soon. LOL
That could be a new sport. Dogfood toss.


Speaking of lifting and boxers..My boxer weighs 60 lbs..When it's bath time ,she will not walk to the bathroom..I pick her up and have to carry her to the bathroom and I'm old and worn out..lol

I don't think MH would have had a problem..

[BevAnn]

ok, can someone help me here, I'm having a blonde moment I guess.

But, what ulterior motive would MH have for asking her mom to take the daughter, and go on a vacation? They say it was planned, but on here, some seem to think it was impromptu, suggested by MH AFTER Sandra came up missing, correct?

So, was she just not wanting her daughter and mother to be subjected to the media? Or was she destroying evidence or what not and didn't want to be questioned by her mom?

Sorry, but the vacation thing is confusing me. :bored:

[5boxersmom]

Lol! I think I started this whole thing too. I'd help her clean up the mess if I could though. ...Just saying.
I got my husband interested because I was laughing so hard. He's watching HLN now seeing if there are any other updates.
:)

Yep I think she did it with no problem.

imo

[BevAnn]

If she doesn't get the DP, then Calif. should do away with it then..imo
:mad:

I agree kitty - it's really a joke in that state anyway. There hasn't been an actual execution in what, like 20 something years?? Didn't I read that recently?

If they should ever decide to USE it - Scott Peterson should go first. Then MH, assuming she is found guilty.

[KittyMom]

He's probably a volunteer maintenance man. Our church has a group of men who do the landscaping, etc. who are church members.

yep. Small churches don't have a budget for employees. Most have volunteer secretaries, janitors, yard men, etc.

[Adalena935]

I dunno. Someone said yesterday that was just a rumor that her dad had her but if he does then where is Ma Huckaby?

imo

Melissa's Father said Melissa's Mother has the child. They're in northern California on a planned vacation he told reporters.



http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51552@kovr.dayport.com

It's on page 4 of this video library. Title: "Father of Melissa Huckaby Speaks Out" date April 12

[dinojen]

Plus this might just be rumor but I read yesterday that MH's ex-husband is not the Father. Can anyone confirm anything in regards to this?

Probably rumor being being MH has tried to get child support from him with a lawyer with no success.

I think from the MH's father's comments Madison is with her family.. that could be why you don't see MH's mother, she's with Madison.

No link to prove this.. just what I gather from his comments.

[bama__angel]

I agree kitty - it's really a joke in that state anyway. There hasn't been an actual execution in what, like 20 something years?? Didn't I read that recently?

If they should ever decide to USE it - Scott Peterson should go first. Then MH, assuming she is found guilty.



I would like to see Manson and friends go first........Those guys shouldve been fried years ago..IMO....Then Scott Peterson....then those 2 brothers that killed their parents.....cant remember last names....Eric and Lyle I think.....Is that correct

[kitty1182]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19174646/detail.html
Click on video. It sounds like at least they will be outside the court....

1:30 CA.....4:30 EST

Thanks!!.........

[BevAnn]

My guess is bc she knew she'd be busy running around and hiding things and also she didnt want cops or social service to take daughter from her once Sandra's body was found.

Aaah, ok now see, that last one is a good point.

I was like RachelRose - taking the daughter away would make sense, to shield her from all this. But it didn't point to an ulterior motive by MH....BUT the point about social service taking her daughter away from her would be a motive to send her away.

Also wonder, if after what she'd done, she couldn't bare to look her own precious daughter in the eyes?? :mad:

[BevAnn]

Or as to not have her daughter questioned.

ooohhh, another good point Alwill!

[dinojen]

I would like to see Manson and friends go first........Those guys shouldve been fried years ago..IMO....Then Scott Peterson....then those 2 brothers that killed their parents.....cant remember last names....Eric and Lyle I think.....Is that correct


Melendez..

Don't forget the Dad that killed his daughter's in a winery.. one survived.. he's sitting in SQ to I think waiting for execution.. and that was years ago.. can't remember his name, he was hispanic..
Also Davis for killing Polly Klaus..

None of these will see the needle anytime soon I don't think.


Found it.. his name was Ramon Salcido.. that case was horrific..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Salcido

He wiped out an entire family.. and he's still living on death row..

[titanfan217]

Gentle, MLH supposedly "planned in advance" to have her mom Judy pick up Madison and take her on "vacation somewhere" the day after Sandra disappeared. March 28. How about those apples?!:wink:

When I heard this I thought that maybe since she was obviously using Madison as bait she grabbed Sandra this day as it was her "last chance" for a while. But there's one theory I subscribe to even more. My guess is that she was due to face charges of drugging her on April 17th in court and that this was a hush killing, bc MLH could not bare to face her accuser in court and have it all come out. Also the reason she sent Madison away, knowing she would kill Sandra then.


Drugging who? What is the source of this?

[BevAnn]

I'm behind on the drugging story, I think.

What evidence is there that she "got caught"? She isn't in the court system for drugging a child, which surely is a felony, and the Cantu family seemed to have no hesitation whatsoever sending Sandra to play at their house.

This story, that she had been proven - or even suspected - of drugging Sandra doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Someone find a link for me if I'm wrong, but I think that whole story got started on here as a rumor/suspicion and kinda got carried away into a fact, that now includes Sandra in it.

I do not think it is anything more than a rumor at this point.

[kitty1182]

Melendez..

Don't forget the Dad that killed his daughter's in a winery.. one survived.. he's sitting in SQ to I think waiting for execution.. and that was years ago.. can't remember his name, he was hispanic..
Also Davis for killing Polly Klaus..

None of these will see the needle anytime soon I don't think.

that's what I don't understand..Why give these creeps the DP and just let them sit there? May as well just have given them LWOP...

[angellaw]

I've always felt Fred Williams is involved some how....I'm still holding strong to my sex tape/pic theory and that MH did this for money...and my theory would mean, SOMEone had to propose money to her for the tapes/pics....

Could be why LE keeps saying someone may be charged, but not in this case. It would a child porn charge.

The only thing in my theory - if this were the case....I would think they might be able to charge him with accessory to murder. Maybe??

Heck, I don't know. Has the hearing started yet? I have 2:06 CA time...


ITA BevAnn...I think he has something to do with it too. Maybe he got all the $$ to build that big house from kiddie porn stuff he sells and MH got involved with it to please him? Who knows!!!!

[Adalena935]

I agree kitty - it's really a joke in that state anyway. There hasn't been an actual execution in what, like 20 something years?? Didn't I read that recently?

If they should ever decide to USE it - Scott Peterson should go first. Then MH, assuming she is found guilty.

Naw, they executed Tookie Williams in 2005 and if I'm not mistaken someone after him. There's been a moratorium for about 3 years but they're about resume according to Los Angeles Times article.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/17/nation/na-impact17

Historically there have been condemned inmates who have been ON death row for 20 yrs, but it hasen't BEEN 20 yrs since they executed anyone in CA.

California Capital Punishment info on the left: http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/index.html

That isn't accurate AT ALL. They executed Tookie Williams in 2005. That link only goes to the 1980's. I'll try to find more accurate info. There's one site that has all from about 1972 to date that IS accurate.

[angellaw]

The KILLING part of this is the most perplexing and I think since she probably abused her numerous times (she's lived there for 7 months, and the drugging incident where she actually got caught was 2 months ago) I think that this was either an accidental overdose OR a hush killing. My money's on the hush killing. If in fact Sandra's family did call police on her and she was about to face a court date (april 17th) for this, and knowing that she probably could NOT bear dealing with airing this dirty laundry to her community, church and religious relatives, and also facing going away to prision for it, she did the only thing she could to try to prevent that from happening: kill Sandra.

Ok...then why did dhe open her mouth to the LE about the suit case missing...I certainly would have kept my mouth shut.

[ortiga]

Or as to not have her daughter questioned.


The daughter should (have been) be questioned. By now it's probably too late, and the relatives could have suggested alternative stories by now, and the girl probably wouldn't remember.

But the granny, that's another thing. When did the sister come to babysit? Why wasn't granny doing it? What's the thing with the missing cell phone and keys...that granny finally called MH to say she'd found them. What phone was M H speaking on? Was that just to get out of the house in a big hurry and keep grandma occupied looking for the items? Is there any proof that the sister was babysitting? Remember she was in Sandras house with Sandra when Sandra left to go play with friends.

[dinojen]

that's what I don't understand..Why give these creeps the DP and just let them sit there? May as well just have given them LWOP...

I know.. I agree.. Death penalty should mean just that.. they drag it out way to long.. especially for those that there is no doubt they committed the crime.

Salcido has been sitting there for 20 years... after killing 7 people :confused:

[ortiga]

Where did that maintenance man claim he got that note?

[emdragon]

I would like to see Manson and friends go first........Those guys shouldve been fried years ago..IMO....Then Scott Peterson....then those 2 brothers that killed their parents.....cant remember last names....Eric and Lyle I think.....Is that correct

Sorry but no DP for Manson and Family- their sentences were commuted when CA first did away with the DP.

And the Menendez brothers were given life in prison not the Death Penalty.


I find it VERY distasteful to keep reading assumptions and accusations about the Church and it's members without cause.

MH killed Sandra- not her grandfather or the Janitor.

[angellaw]

The KILLING part of this is the most perplexing and I think since she probably abused her numerous times (she's lived there for 7 months, and the drugging incident where she actually got caught was 2 months ago) I think that this was either an accidental overdose OR a hush killing. My money's on the hush killing. If in fact Sandra's family did call police on her and she was about to face a court date (april 17th) for this, and knowing that she probably could NOT bear dealing with airing this dirty laundry to her community, church and religious relatives, and also facing going away to prision for it, she did the only thing she could to try to prevent that from happening: kill Sandra.

I think if she had in fact drugges Sandra (or any other child in the park) would you not as Sandra's parent as soon as she was missing sart poinitn fingers in MH's direction...all would have been aware of the upcoming court date if they were at all involved in the "drugging" situation...

[Adalena935]

I'm behind on the drugging story, I think.

What evidence is there that she "got caught"? She isn't in the court system for drugging a child, which surely is a felony, and the Cantu family seemed to have no hesitation whatsoever sending Sandra to play at their house.

This story, that she had been proven - or even suspected - of drugging Sandra doesn't make any sense at all to me.

Rachel, If you can find the link where Melissa Huckaby is speaking to the Tracy Press she says she got caught drugging a child. She told reporters the mother of the child had blood testing done & discovered drugs in the child's system.

I don't believe her, but that's the jest of what she told those reporters. Someone had the link the other night. It was published the day she was arrested. Friday I believe it was. And be aware it's my paraphrase. I don't remember her words verbatim. But that's what she was telling reporters.

Anyway, it's not rumor. It's from the inmate's own mouth. You may find it in the links thread or someone who has it can give it to you so you can listen to her.

[dinojen]

Link for scheduled executions in the U.S. Lots in Texas but glanced through several months and didn't see CA listed on any of them..

http://off2dr.com/modules/extcal/calendar.php?year=2009&month=4&cat=1


There are still two legal challenges pending in California that have to be resolved before executions can resume at San Quentin, said UC Hastings Law Professor Rory Little. UC Berkeley Law Professor Elizabeth Semel, director of the school's Death Penalty Clinic, agreed.

http://www.kcbs.com/Governor-Says-San-Quentin-Executions-Could-Resume/2016425

[kitty1182]

I think if she had in fact drugges Sandra (or any other child in the park) would you not as Sandra's parent as soon as she was missing sart poinitn fingers in MH's direction...all would have been aware of the upcoming court date if they were at all involved in the "drugging" situation...

Hi Steph...Isn't this just sickening?:sad:

[KittyMom]

IF Sandra has been drugged in weeks past, LE will be able to test her hair and find it. I'll bet they do the same for MLH's child.

[angellaw]

Exactly angellaw. All for the money.


Maybe he & MH were having an affair and she did this to keep him happy with her...she seems the type that would do anything just to keep a man's attention

[dinojen]

Now there are no charges showing up for MH...
http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53


You can bet the GAG order will be in place.


I'm not surprised.. the judge put a huge GAG on the torture case and no one in that case even died... thank god.

Have a feeling this one is going to be sealed also.

They did eventually release a pdf copy of the complaint.. but that's it.

[Adalena935]

I think if she had in fact drugges Sandra (or any other child in the park) would you not as Sandra's parent as soon as she was missing sart poinitn fingers in MH's direction...all would have been aware of the upcoming court date if they were at all involved in the "drugging" situation...

I don't believe it happened, but it's what Melissa told the Tracy Press. Someone had the link to it the other day. The Tracy Press released it to the public last Friday. It's the blabbing that got her arrested.

Granted she's a blatent liar. But maybe she was telling on herself that she did previously drug Sandra or other children. From her mouth to our ears.

[angellaw]

Same reason she opened her mouth about suitcase, wierd fake note she made up and everything else she yapped about. She's an idiot - obviously.

I sure won't argue that fact...evident idiot.

[angellaw]

Hi Steph...Isn't this just sickening?:sad:


Hi ms kitty...it makes me sick...I just can not even imagine..WTH is this world coming too?

[Riverwalk!]

More info on bio-dad Johnny Huckaby and good recap of MH's life/charges:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

On Sept. 9, 2005, an Orange County family court judge dissolved the couple's marriage, giving legal and physical custody to 24-year-old Melissa.
Her ex-husband received supervised visits once a month for a half-hour, according to court papers.
The judge ruled there was evidence that Johnny Huckaby's visits be supervised on allegations of: "abduction of child(ren)," domestic violence and alcohol abuse. The judge ordered Johnny Huckaby, who was unemployed, to pay $422 a month in child support.
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that Johnny lived recently in Topeka, Kan., and Melissa Huckaby made numerous attempts to collect child support from her ex-husband as recently as February, according to Shawnee County court records.

I already posted the hearings in Kansas for child support.

[kitty1182]

Hi ms kitty...it makes me sick...I just can not even imagine..WTH is this world coming too?

I don't know..:sad:

[Adalena935]

LE would also have some record - something - if the cop was at her door at 2 a.m. as she stated, asking about a drugged child.

Among all the charges possible, I haven't seen anything about drugs. Kidnapping, murder, rape, molestation.

Don't see drugs.

Why believe a confirmed liar? aproudmom posted something the issue in the LINKS STICKY. Post #86

Melissa Huckaby told Tracy Press reporters she was accused of drugging a child in the mobile home park.

[bama__angel]

Sorry but no DP for Manson and Family- their sentences were commuted when CA first did away with the DP.

And the Menendez brothers were given life in prison not the Death Penalty.


I find it VERY distasteful to keep reading assumptions and accusations about the Church and it's members without cause.

MH killed Sandra- not her grandfather or the Janitor.


You are correct.......No DP for Manson & Family........No DP for Lyle and Eric......However, I can still wish it were so........

I'll have to check my posts but I dont think I have made any assumptions about the grandfather except for I thought his behavior was strange....and I believe I have kept my mouth shut concerning the janitor.....IMO

[kitty1182]

More info on bio-dad Johnny Huckaby and good recap of MH's life/charges:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/ci_12133607

On Sept. 9, 2005, an Orange County family court judge dissolved the couple's marriage, giving legal and physical custody to 24-year-old Melissa.
Her ex-husband received supervised visits once a month for a half-hour, according to court papers.
The judge ruled there was evidence that Johnny Huckaby's visits be supervised on allegations of: "abduction of child(ren)," domestic violence and alcohol abuse. The judge ordered Johnny Huckaby, who was unemployed, to pay $422 a month in child support.
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that Johnny lived recently in Topeka, Kan., and Melissa Huckaby made numerous attempts to collect child support from her ex-husband as recently as February, according to Shawnee County court records.

I already posted the hearings in Kansas for child support.

Oh no..She said she had become a party coordinator? Takes me back to CA..:scared:

[MoonHarvest]

I don't know..:sad:


I swear, each of these cases gets harder and harder to take.

For the life of me, I can't imagine a woman, a young mother, preying on young girls.

It was the one thing I thought, thank God, at least Sandra did not die by the hands of a sexual abuser, when I heard a woman was arrested for her murder.

[emdragon]

You are correct.......No DP for Manson & Family........No DP for Lyle and Eric......However, I can still wish it were so........

I'll have to check my posts but I dont think I have made any assumptions about the grandfather except for I thought his behavior was strange....and I believe I have kept my mouth shut concerning the janitor.....IMO


Oh the second part of my post was a general observation not directed at you.

[Riverwalk!]

Oh no..She said she had become a party coordinator? Takes me back to CA..:scared:

I noticed that too :scared:

[Riverwalk!]

I just thought of something!

The drugging incident took place 2 months ago so the April 17th court date which LE never said what it was for, is the right timeframe for this crime! and of course LE is not going to reveal ANYTHING now about that in light of the new crimes: MURDER & RAPE.

The April 17th court date had nothing to do with her "story" about drugging another child:

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=news&id=2310960-Rape+may+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=lead_story_left_column&open=&

Separately, in January, she pleaded no contest to a petty theft charge in San Joaquin County Superior Court. She was sentenced to 3 years probation on condition she participate in a county mental health program.

She had been scheduled to go to court April 17 to report on her participation in that program.

[Adalena935]

Thanks Riverwalk. I had read some of that in an earlier article but not that much detail. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the link at the time.

I think the family's in denial. the failed marrige didn't cause her problems. She *is* the problem.

[Ice Cycle]

Ok...then why did dhe open her mouth to the LE about the suit case missing...I certainly would have kept my mouth shut.

Going to step in here, I believe she did because she had already told her family and the Williams guy (and probably others) that is was stolen. More than likely she told them that in case she was later questioned about it if the body was found.

[Adalena935]

I think her trips to the hospital via ambulance is a ploy to avoid taking responsibility for herself; the broken wing act as it were.

[KKKKKKatie]

Jumping in for just a second....having a terrible time posting today....the board is like watching paint dry for me :scared:

I listened to MH's interview and the news report about the so called drugging indecent twice. MH did not say that she drugged the child....she said that LE showed up at her house and told her that the child had drugs in his/her system after MH had taken the child to the park.

IMO

[Riverwalk!]

Thanks Riverwalk. I had read some of that in an earlier article but not that much detail. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark the link at the time.

I think the family's in denial. the failed marrige didn't cause her problems. She *is* the problem.

She wasn't even with Johnny Huckaby that long before moving back home. I think her family is in denial and she was very good at hiding her issues.
jmo

[ortiga]

Oh the second part of my post was a general observation not directed at you.


No matter if we like it or not, if an offspring of a preacher commits a crime.....a son of a policeman......daughter of a judge......boy scout leader.....whatever......the element of hypocrisy will be brought up....and here it will be too with a sunday school teacher (allegedly) committing such a horrible crime.

And, then, IMO, I do think the church, if it is the scene of this crime, should be destroyed. I wouldn't say that if it were a bank, a skating rink, a 7-11. But the contrast between what a church is supposed to represent, with the crime allegedly committed by one of the family of the church pastor, well I would never go in that particular building again if that's the way it turns out to be.

IMO

So although it may seem offensive, nearly all the news outlets are headlining the "sunday school teacher" aspect of this case, and that reflects what I say above.

[Riverwalk!]

Jumping in for just a second....having a terrible time posting today....the board is like watching paint dry for me :scared:

I listened to MH's interview and the news report about the so called drugging indecent twice. MH did not say that she drugged the child....she said that LE showed up at her house and told her that the child had drugs in his/her system after MH had taken the child to the park.

IMO

That's her "story". One weird woman to say the least!
jmo

[Adalena935]

Going to step in here, I believe she did because she had already told her family and the Williams guy (and probably others) that is was stolen. More than likely she told them that in case she was later questioned about it if the body was found.

It'll be interesting to learn (*If* we ever do) when she told what to whom. Her (I believe bogus) stoy about the stolen suitcase didn't come out in the media until after Sandra's body was found I don't believe. I think someone's linked a timeline.

Who knows if she told anyone prior to that or not. Wouldn't surprise me to learn she didn't start blabbing about it until after the body was found. I think she was only trying to divert suspicion from herself for the crime.

[ginky41]

Going to step in here, I believe she did because she had already told her family and the Williams guy (and probably others) that is was stolen. More than likely she told them that in case she was later questioned about it if the body was found.


I agree with you Ice.. I think she mentioned the suitcase because she thought somehow, if/when it is found it could be tracked back to her. Saying that it had been stolen would absolve her of the crime, or so she thought. IMO.

[Adalena935]

She wasn't even with Johnny Huckaby that long before moving back home. I think her family is in denial and she was very good at hiding her issues.
jmo

Agreed. I think she was purposely very secretive about who she is to her family and probably her ex too. Bet he's happily rid of her.