Tuesday 14th April

[n/t]

n/t it will be on JVM in a few an on Larry K on CNN at 9
No Plea
an they have made it clear the women who talked to her for 40 min from the Tracy Press really got them questioning her other interviews..

Thanks mom. Going to go watch it now. :smile:

[kitty1182]

Had to go and do some things for mom..I'm far behind now.
Got to catch up!!!!!:read:

[lune3]

Wow..I had no idea she was 22. She was on JVM last night and she did an incredible job as an investigative reporter. She has a bright future ahead of her. Wish we had more like her. :thumbsup:

Here n/t is the article, Jennifer Wadsworth is the reporter....interesting read about the local Tracy Press

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tracypress14-2009apr14,0,2725005.story

[bama__angel]

Me either did you notice when ever they were reading about the rape charge she really teared up.



Yes...but IMO those werent tears of remorse for Sandra.....

[cali650]

This is a bizarre enough posting to make me register after being a lurker here for years. It happens "more than you think." What do we think? What do you mean "more than" we "think?"

Are you an expert or can you cite any experts on the connection between depression and murder? Also, there are experts who say depression can have pain and illness as a core; and in fact, meds for depression are often prescribed at different doses for those suffering from chronic pain.

This is comment has serious implications that should be expanded upon or modified to opinion/a guess by the poster for the good of our readers.

I am going to soften this after thinking about mass murderers and post-partum, I think there is a link...murder-suicide, but still, rare. Certainly more rare than child/sex abuse.

Food for thought, emdragon. Thanks.

[For Gabriel]

Is there a video link of Melissa giving an interview before Sandra's body was discovered and if so, could someone kindly paste it for me? I cannot wade through all these posts again! TYIA!

[lune3]

Yes...but IMO those werent tears of remorse for Sandra.....

Look at MH's face here.....(the pictures switch so just wait for it, it's a still)
http://www.kcra.com/index.html

Look at her eyebrows. When grief is expressed the inner eyebrow corners go upward. They don't here. The top half of her face does not jive with the bottom half in typical grief expression.

Besides, as I mentioned before, the flippant behaviour MH exhibited on her way to questioning that night does not reflect being sorry. She's "sorry" only after the arrest, for herself.

[doctor_J]

This is a bizarre enough posting to make me register after being a lurker here for years. It happens "more than you think." What do we think? What do you mean "more than" we "think?"

Are you an expert or can you cite any experts on the connection between depression and murder? Also, there are experts who say depression can have pain and illness as a core; and in fact, meds for depression are often prescribed at different doses for those suffering from chronic pain.

This is comment has serious implications that should be expanded upon or modified to opinion/a guess by the poster for the good of our readers.

Thank You, To espouse that depression causes/explains/excuses killing is demeaning to those who have actually suffered from the illness. Murderers may be depressed but depression does not create murderers. It is misleading to say that "it happens more than we think". I do not believe that can be confirmed by any research.

ETA- There is a difference between depression and psychosis (women who believe that a child is possessed by Satan due to hallicinations and delusions.)

[aproudmom]

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was led into a Stockton courtroom in a red jumpsuit and shackles for the afternoon arraignment.

She continued to cry as Judge Richard Vlavianos read the charges: one count of murder with the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19177606/detail.html

I have watched and watched and if you play this video or another one full screen the one charge read that she really looks diff is when they say rape with a foreign object

I see some on TV are now saying she may have had things done to her and in a church and she was acting out what happened to her..bet that is freaking her family out since they are all Pastors and church going people..:ohmy:

[emdragon]

This is a bizarre enough posting to make me register after being a lurker here for years. It happens "more than you think." What do we think? What do you mean "more than" we "think?"

Are you an expert or can you cite any experts on the connection between depression and murder? Also, there are experts who say depression can have pain and illness as a core; and in fact, meds for depression are often prescribed at different doses for those suffering from chronic pain.

This is comment has serious implications that should be expanded upon or modified to opinion/a guess by the poster for the good of our readers.

You don't think depression can cause someone to kill? Seriously? What do you think most murder suicides are?

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Suspect_in_Oklahoma_girl%27s_murder_blogged_about_ depression,_%22dangerously_weird%22_fantasies

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/147/8/1036

http://teresacentric.com/2007/04/depression-and-mass-murder-what-can-we-do/

And As for the depression and pain and illness well that is pretty well documented.

http://www.medicinenet.com/depression/article.htm

Depression can increase the risks for developing coronary artery disease, HIV, asthma, and some other medical illnesses. Furthermore, it can increase the morbidity (illness/negative health effects) and mortality (death) from these conditions.

http://www.medicinenet.com/depression/page2.htm

Persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and/or chronic pain


This enough verification for you? enough fact? Or would you like me to give you more links.

As for the question, am I an expert- after many years dealing with depression yes I'm an expert.

[emdragon]

I am going to soften this after thinking about mass murderers and post-partum, I think there is a link...murder-suicide, but still, rare. Certainly more rare than child/sex abuse.

Food for thought, emdragon. Thanks.

The post I was responding to was that Depression doesn't make someone a killer.

NEVER did I connec Depression and child/sexual abuse

[aproudmom]

Thank You, To espouse that depression causes/explains/excuses killing is demeaning to those who have actually suffered from the illness. Murderers may be depressed but depression does not create murderers. It is misleading to say that "it happens more than we think". I do not believe that can be confirmed by any research.


ITA getting a little sick of this depression and chemical imbalance defense without proof..some need to read up on chemical imbalance it can also cause Panic attacks never heard of anyone suffering a PA and doing this to a child..I think some many want to ask someone who does suffer from clinical depression before they say it leads to murder if anything it leads to suicide....JMO

[psbperu]

I find it hard to take any contrition seriously when someone has hidden a crime. If she had any pity or mercy in her, she wouldn't have been able to molest and murder a child (if she did so). If she'd felt any real remorse afterward, she would have turned herself in. Tears after arrest always look more like self pity to me.

Does anyone think she may take a plea eventually?

True:

I am with you on this one...I didn't see a lot of tears so maybe I was watching a video with poor resolution.

Am of a mind that she has molested children prior to this & the behavior escalated...we really don't know right now perhaps more will be brought to light in the following week.

Ah yes, I think a plea is in order. Would like to know what the manner of death was cause this is mindboggling case.

Secrets...wonder if and how long she coveted this child & was just waiting for the right opportunity.

[n/t]

Look at MH's face here.....(the pictures switch so just wait for it, it's a still)
http://www.kcra.com/index.html

Look at her eyebrows. When grief is expressed the inner eyebrow corners go upward. They don't here. The top half of her face does not jive with the bottom half in typical grief expression.

Besides, as I mentioned before, the flippant behaviour MH exhibited on her way to questioning that night does not reflect being sorry. She's "sorry" only after the arrest, for herself.

I totally agree! I finally saw her on JVM and those were fake tears. At one point, I thought she was going to smirk.

She's evil and there's no doubt in my mind she brutally tortured and murdered poor Sandra Cantu. She probably got her thrills giving the reporter her little hints and playing cat and mouse games with LE.

[For Gabriel]

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was led into a Stockton courtroom in a red jumpsuit and shackles for the afternoon arraignment.

She continued to cry as Judge Richard Vlavianos read the charges: one count of murder with the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19177606/detail.html

I have watched and watched and if you play this video or another one full screen the one charge read that she really looks diff is when they say rape with a foreign object

I see some on TV are now saying she may have had things done to her and in a church and she was acting out what happened to her..bet that is freaking her family out since they are all Pastors and church going people..:ohmy:


I haven't hearda about this happening to her and in church, of all things. This whole mess just gets deeper and deeper!

[n/t]

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was led into a Stockton courtroom in a red jumpsuit and shackles for the afternoon arraignment.

She continued to cry as Judge Richard Vlavianos read the charges: one count of murder with the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd or lascivious conduct with a child under 14 and murder in the course of a kidnapping.


http://www.kcra.com/news/19177606/detail.html

I have watched and watched and if you play this video or another one full screen the one charge read that she really looks diff is when they say rape with a foreign object

I see some on TV are now saying she may have had things done to her and in a church and she was acting out what happened to her..bet that is freaking her family out since they are all Pastors and church going people..:ohmy:


I don't believe that, mom. Not saying it didn't happen but that shrink on JVM was way off. I agree with starling on this one. If she was a man, she'd be toast by now. Just because she's a woman, we try to look for reasons or excuses.

She's a female version of John Couey. Period.

[aproudmom]

You don't think depression can cause someone to kill? Seriously? What do you think most murder suicides are?

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Suspect_in_Oklahoma_girl%27s_murder_blogged_about_ depression,_%22dangerously_weird%22_fantasies

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/147/8/1036

http://teresacentric.com/2007/04/depression-and-mass-murder-what-can-we-do/

And As for the depression and pain and illness well that is pretty well documented.

http://www.medicinenet.com/depression/article.htm



http://www.medicinenet.com/depression/page2.htm




This enough verification for you? enough fact? Or would you like me to give you more links.

As for the question, am I an expert- after many years dealing with depression yes I'm an expert.

do we have a mental illness thread on here??????????
I have also had sever depression for 16 yrs never once did I go on a mass murder or kill my children..did I ever want to end my life yes..but no one else's....please this is really not the right place imo..

[Keegan]

Depression can be and often is a self centerdness where some can only see themselves and nothing outside of their own egos. They are often trapped in their own absorbed world. My feeling is this woman of evil thinks of nothing but herself.

They either use the "mental" or "abuse" excuse. It makes me sick.

[aproudmom]

I don't believe that, mom. Not saying it didn't happen but that shrink on JVM was way off. I agree with starling on this one. If she was a man, she'd be toast by now. Just because she's a woman, we try to look for reasons or excuses.

She's a female version of John Couey. Period.

thanks n/t I think so to..just wondered..I am not going for this whole depression thing it is really getting to me if it were a man we would not even be talking about this....imo..plus it can offend people who do suffer from depression and lead a normal life..

[emdragon]

ITA getting a little sick of this depression and chemical imbalance defense without proof..some need to read up on chemical imbalance it can also cause Panic attacks never heard of anyone suffering a PA and doing this to a child..I think some many want to ask someone who does suffer from clinical depression before they say it leads to murder if anything it leads to suicide....JMO


Does over 20 years of diagnosed and treated chronic depression count?

As my post was pretty clear to point out that not all illnesses caused by chemical imbalance are or should be a get out of jail free card.

I simply said depression can, does and has led people to kill- and there is plenty of verification on that.

I don't see it being the cause or an excuse for child sexual abuse- (though it can lead to physical child abuse and neglect.)

[jewel6]

first off she seemed a little upset. casey anthony had no concern at all! This case is appalling and may somebody set her straight!!jmo what in the heck is this world vying for. you cant send the kids out anymore!!!:thumbdown: jmo

[StickyBeak]

Me. I still do. ;D

Looking at that woman, does anyone sense that she's a cold rapist and murderer?

No.... I felt pity... even knowing what she alledgly did, she seemed in shock to me. JMO

[k_can004]

I am so outraged at this point, that I really don't know what to say........ What that poor child must have went through just makes me see red.... imo there is NO DEFENSE for this monster.... I don't care how mentally ill she or others claim her to be..... give her the needle and be done with this sick sadistic pos....... amho

[meadowlark]

listen to Melissa's father. I have to wonder if there is a FILM out there, and he has seen it. Is there a girl on it who is suppose to be Melissa and her family has seen it and thinks it is not Melissa in the film?

"...the, the young lady I see on film, is not, it's not my daughter, I just don't see that"
My note: (What film, what girl?)

"I never ever saw her raise her voice or grow impatience, she was just very very patient"
My note: ( what is he comparing to? something else where there is raising of a voice and being impatient?)

"all I know,is that is like as I said, the girl on that... that's the... receiving these accusations, that's not my daughter".
My Note: (The girl on that "what"? what girl? was he going to say "film" again?)

"like I said, I, you know, we're yah, we just don't, we don't see this"
My Note: (Don't see what?)

"that is not my daughter, my daughter is a loving mother, and I cannot comprehend she would do anything like that, that is not my daughter"
My note: "What" is not his daughter?

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com


Has her father seen a film that is suppose to be his daughter and they do not think the girl in the film is his daughter?

it seems he is going to say "film" again and catches himself and then says "receiving these accusations" instead.

[FrankieBones1]

I don't believe that, mom. Not saying it didn't happen but that shrink on JVM was way off. I agree with starling on this one. If she was a man, she'd be toast by now. Just because she's a woman, we try to look for reasons or excuses.

She's a female version of John Couey. Period.

The shrink needs her head read.

I listened to her on Jane's show and I was shocked. I think she's got it all wrong.

[omsk99]

~snip

"Schwarzenberg requested a gag order be imposed in the case, but the judge put off that matter until April 24 as well. Huckaby will remain in the San Joaquin County Jail without bond.

Huckaby is undergoing a medical evaluation as part of another case, an alleged petty theft being handled in a mental health court, Willett said.

Asked whether that would affect the murder case, he said, "Obviously, any mental health issues would have an effect on this case."

Schwarzenberg said she hopes people will not rush to judgment in the case until all the facts are known."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/14/california.slain.girl/index.html

[emdragon]

listen to Melissa's father. I have to wonder if there is a FILM out there, and he has seen it. Is there a girl on it who is suppose to be Melissa and her family has seen it and thinks it is not Melissa in the film?

"...the, the young lady I see on film, is not, it's not my daughter, I just don't see that"
My note: (What film, what girl?)

"I never ever saw her raise her voice or grow impatience, she was just very very patient"
My note: ( what is he comparing to? something else where there is raising of a voice and being impatient?)

"all I know,is that is like as I said, the girl on that... that's the... receiving these accusations, that's not my daughter".
My Note: (The girl on that "what"? what girl? was he going to say "film" again?)

"like I said, I, you know, we're yah, we just don't, we don't see this"
My Note: (Don't see what?)

"that is not my daughter, my daughter is a loving mother, and I cannot comprehend she would do anything like that, that is not my daughter"
My note: "What" is not his daughter?

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com


Has her father seen a film that is suppose to be his daughter and they do not think the girl in the film is his daughter?

it seems he is going to say "film" again and catches himself and then says "receiving these accusations" instead.

He is talking about what he is seeing on Television and news reports.

[aproudmom]

Depression can be and often is a self centerdness where some can only see themselves and nothing outside of their own egos. They are often trapped in their own absorbed world. My feeling is this woman of evil thinks of nothing but herself.

They either use the "mental" or "abuse" excuse. It makes me sick.

I guess I am not in the category of self centeredness then cause I have always put everyone before me..sorry this just bothers me we do not know she ever suffered from anything..so until I see proof she is a cold hearted attention getting murderer..reminds me of a other case on here..jmo

[VC2]

This is a bizarre enough posting to make me register after being a lurker here for years. It happens "more than you think." What do we think? What do you mean "more than" we "think?"

Are you an expert or can you cite any experts on the connection between depression and murder? Also, there are experts who say depression can have pain and illness as a core; and in fact, meds for depression are often prescribed at different doses for those suffering from chronic pain.

This is comment has serious implications that should be expanded upon or modified to opinion/a guess by the poster for the good of our readers.

here is one: http://www.nickvanderleek.com/2009/03/psychiatric-drugs-cause-mayhem-murder.html

I cannot live without my anti depressants but there are a couple that i cannot take because i get irrationally violent on. Now its been years since i took those, back in my 20's but i will never forget the out of control wish to harm. Scared me silly but i was able to understand it was edue to the new medication, stop taking it and get another.

[jewel6]

The shrink needs her head read.

I listened to her on Jane's show and I was shocked. I think she's got it all wrong.

My own personable opinion is at least she cried. maybe she will be forgiven in gods eyes. Casey never once shed a tear. I think she will confess! jmo

[doctor_J]

The shrink needs her head read.

I listened to her on Jane's show and I was shocked. I think she's got it all wrong.

Pretty wild and detailed psychoanalysis of someone she's never spoken to, huh. She's amazingly talented for a pop psychologist (or whateever she is).:thumbdown:

[~jomomma~]

as far as using the excuse of depression, lack of money, raising kid on own, blah blah blah.....

yeah yeah yeah.....ALOT of us have raised our kids on our own, dealt with the financial struggle and frustration, dealt with the depression and stress of it all. never once did i ever think of murdering anybody.
and did it for YEARS!!! still deal with the lingering issues from it all.

i agree that if this was a man, this kind of stuff wouldn't even be talked about.

if Melissa has any guilt in her, i just hope that everytime words like Sandra, rape and foreign object are mentioned, she invisions poor little Sandra's face.

dinojen, the thought DID cross my mind for a second 'what if she isn't the one who did this'

what if someone else did this but Melissa was there? i just don't know.

one second i think she's the monster who did it, then next second, i can't/don't believe she is capable. ugghhh....it's just too sick to think.

:crying:

[femquest]

Haven't posted here in ages, perhaps not since Carly Brucia. But I've always lurked when I'm not on InSession boards. This tragedy has seared my soul. Like so many, I can't, no matter what, fathom how the mother of a little girl could do what's she's accused of. And I'm probably jaded and just out of sympathy for anyone who could do what's alleged. When some say she might not be a sexual deviate, but "staged" the penetration to lead LE to a man... that's every bit as hard to hear. If I think of it my brain feels frazzled.

For some reason, the idea that MH may have been involved in a child porn internet "ring"
--as bad as THAT is, makes her crime less incomprehensible or something... I spent Easter wkd out of state and separated from the internet. In the beginning, when Sandra's pictures were shown and she was missing... and there was HOPE... I remember that her hair color was questioned. Some pix it was darkest brown or black--in others clearly blond, or highlighted. Was it ever learned if Sandra's hair color change was done at a salon, or at home? If this was addressed, I missed it.

Upthread a few posters thought MH may have fantasied about this little girl... was "in love" with her and sexually attracted to her...

And today I had the creepy thought that if Melissa acted as her buddy, could SHE have encouraged the blonde-ness out of her desire to make her more alluring? For her own reasons, or to take pix. If her Mom/aunt or a salon did the hair color, this is a moot point. At 16, I couldnt' manage dying my own hair... cause I tried; what a mess!

I'm sorry to say I watched the charges filed today and I felt nothing -- seeing her quick-to-appear-and-disappear, "quivering chin/lips." She quickly recovered and her eyes focused to the left and right in a way that showed her composure. Was it fake? I don't know. I saw the dark, cold, eyes -- just as she looked in the mug shot.

In real grief, people's faces kind of "collapse" -- it's painful to watch. I didn't see this. Tears of reality/fear for herself. I cry at the national anthem and hearing one line of Whitney Houston's "I will always love you." But seeing MH, I felt nothing but creepy. When I watched Sandra's Mom unable to speak on a TV show, her grief was palpable and heart breaking.

I'm already frustrated that a "insanity" defense may be ahead. I could be temporarily insane and honest... cannot imagine I could commit the tortuous, deviate, assault of an innocent child. It makes sense to me that at a glance, it's possible that no signs of abuse would be seen on the medical examiner's table. But with the use of a tiny speculum, it surely can be seen. Why cause of death is not known is a little baffling... unless there was... what?... internal injury/trauma/bleeding?

How can we protect our children? The pseudo-sunday school teacher was trusted by Sandra's family. Trust no one? I guess that's it.

all of course, in my opinion only.
/fem

[aproudmom]

He is talking about what he is seeing on Television and news reports.

umm I think I have heard that from another family..very common for them to say that it is their family..they tend to make it out as if there is no way they could have done those things...we just never know I guess..jmo

[meadowlark]

He is talking about what he is seeing on Television and news reports.

this is what everyone "assumes" I am not so sure

[lune3]

~snip

"Schwarzenberg requested a gag order be imposed in the case, but the judge put off that matter until April 24 as well. Huckaby will remain in the San Joaquin County Jail without bond.

Huckaby is undergoing a medical evaluation as part of another case, an alleged petty theft being handled in a mental health court, Willett said.

Asked whether that would affect the murder case, he said, "Obviously, any mental health issues would have an effect on this case."

Schwarzenberg said she hopes people will not rush to judgment in the case until all the facts are known."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/14/california.slain.girl/index.html

Was the blond woman we saw in the arraignment Schwarzenberg? I had the impression that woman was a temporary representative and that MH did not yet have a public defender.

[Themis]

http://cbs13.com/


video of arraignment
Maybe I need a new monitor but I did not see Melissa Huckaby cry. I saw no tear(s) running down her face. I saw her scrunched up face as if she was going to cry.
I saw 7 LE personnel in her immediate area. [JMO * Themis]

[jewel6]

shes gonna have a insanity defense! JMO

[n/t]

The shrink needs her head read.

I listened to her on Jane's show and I was shocked. I think she's got it all wrong.

Not the first time either. I've seen her discussing Casey Anthony and she does the same thing. She always comes across as naive to me. I have no idea what her credentials are but maybe she's not up to speed with what's going on in today's world. KWIM.

[aproudmom]

Haven't posted here in ages, perhaps not since Carly Brucia. But I've always lurked when I'm not on InSession boards. This tragedy has seared my soul. Like so many, I can't, no matter what, fathom how the mother of a little girl could do what's she's accused of. And I'm probably jaded and just out of sympathy for anyone who could do what's alleged. When some say she might not be a sexual deviate, but "staged" the penetration to lead LE to a man... that's every bit as hard to hear. If I think of it my brain feels frazzled.

For some reason, the idea that MH may have been involved in a child porn internet "ring"
--as bad as THAT is, makes her crime less incomprehensible or something... I spent Easter wkd out of state and separated from the internet. In the beginning, when Sandra's pictures were shown and she was missing... and there was HOPE... I remember that her hair color was questioned. Some pix it was darkest brown or black--in others clearly blond, or highlighted. Was it ever learned if Sandra's hair color change was done at a salon, or at home? If this was addressed, I missed it.

Upthread a few posters thought MH may have fantasied about this little girl... was "in love" with her and sexually attracted to her...

And today I had the creepy thought that if Melissa acted as her buddy, could SHE have encouraged the blonde-ness out of her desire to make her more alluring? For her own reasons, or to take pix. If her Mom/aunt or a salon did the hair color, this is a moot point. At 16, I couldnt' manage dying my own hair... cause I tried; what a mess!

I'm sorry to say I watched the charges filed today and I felt nothing -- seeing her quick-to-appear-and-disappear, "quivering chin/lips." She quickly recovered and her eyes focused to the left and right in a way that showed her composure. Was it fake? I don't know. I saw the dark, cold, eyes -- just as she looked in the mug shot.

In real grief, people's faces kind of "collapse" -- it's painful to watch. I didn't see this. Tears of reality/fear for herself. I cry at the national anthem and hearing one line of Whitney Houston's "I will always love you." But seeing MH, I felt nothing but creepy. When I watched Sandra's Mom unable to speak on a TV show, her grief was palpable and heart breaking.

I'm already frustrated that a "insanity" defense may be ahead. I could be temporarily insane and honest... cannot imagine I could commit the tortuous, deviate, assault of an innocent child. It makes sense to me that at a glance, it's possible that no signs of abuse would be seen on the medical examiner's table. But with the use of a tiny speculum, it surely can be seen. Why cause of death is not known is a little baffling... unless there was... what?... internal injury/trauma/bleeding?

How can we protect our children? The pseudo-sunday school teacher was trusted by Sandra's family. Trust no one? I guess that's it.

all of course, in my opinion only.
/fem

I can only say I ask the same thing about her age and hair coloring..I was told a lot of girls do that in CA or if they are Hispanic..for one my hairdresser would never color a 7yr old child's hair it damages the hair with the chemicals and is not safe at that age...that is just me saying what I was told by some..and the dangle earrings are common also in Hispanic girls..do not ask me new one for me..just what some did say early on..

[omsk99]

Maybe I need a new monitor but I did not see Melissa Huckaby cry. I saw no tear(s) running down her face. I saw her scrunched up face as if she was going to cry.
I saw 7 LE personnel in her immediate area. [JMO * Themis]

CNN reported "a single tear rolled down her face" :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/14/california.slain.girl/index.html

PS: Bolding is mine.

[AmndaRcknwth]

listen to Melissa's father. I have to wonder if there is a FILM out there, and he has seen it. Is there a girl on it who is suppose to be Melissa and her family has seen it and thinks it is not Melissa in the film?

"...the, the young lady I see on film, is not, it's not my daughter, I just don't see that"
My note: (What film, what girl?)

"I never ever saw her raise her voice or grow impatience, she was just very very patient"
My note: ( what is he comparing to? something else where there is raising of a voice and being impatient?)

"all I know,is that is like as I said, the girl on that... that's the... receiving these accusations, that's not my daughter".
My Note: (The girl on that "what"? what girl? was he going to say "film" again?)

"like I said, I, you know, we're yah, we just don't, we don't see this"
My Note: (Don't see what?)

"that is not my daughter, my daughter is a loving mother, and I cannot comprehend she would do anything like that, that is not my daughter"
My note: "What" is not his daughter?

http://cbs5.com/video/?id=48831@kpix.dayport.com


Has her father seen a film that is suppose to be his daughter and they do not think the girl in the film is his daughter?

it seems he is going to say "film" again and catches himself and then says "receiving these accusations" instead.

Good observation, he surely did say FILM.

Also, I am not caught up here... has anyone talked about the text message Sandra's Mom got from Melissa?

Strange. Almost like she wanted someone to put 2 and 2 together all along.
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57671&provider=top

Tracy Reels: Sunday School Teacher Arrested in Sandra Cantu Murder

<snipped article>

Huckaby was already scheduled to appear in court next Friday to check in with a county mental health program, part of a three-year probation sentence for a no contest petty theft plea. Huckaby told the Tracy Press that someone else with her name was facing charges for an attempted shoplifting from a Target store last November.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman Terry Thornton said Huckaby has no state prison record.

The Press reported Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in intensive care for what she described as "internal bleeding"

Earlier Saturday, Tracy Police Chief Janet Thiessen said investigators worked the case tirelessly in the hopes of finding Sandra.

"We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered"; said Thiessen.

"It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing.";

A source close to the Cantu family told News10's Tim Daly that Huckaby sent a text message to Sandra's mother Maria Chavez the night the girl disappeared.

According to the source, Huckaby texted about how strange it was that Sandra and Huckaby's suitcase both disappeared on the same day.

The source said Maria Chavez didn't understand the message and did not respond. Police would not comment on any facet of the source's claim.

[aproudmom]

Not the first time either. I've seen her discussing Casey Anthony and she does the same thing. She always comes across as naive to me. I have no idea what her credentials are but maybe she's not up to speed with what's going on in today's world. KWIM.

I had not seen her on there before who is she..kinda thought she was a little off also..

[emdragon]

Even the state is admitting that mental health will play a part in this case so we can't ignore it, nor should we be chastised for discussing it- it is front and center in this case at this time.

Now I pointed out that depression can lead to murder but simple chronic depression in my opinion is not an excuse or a reason not to go to trial.

But there are other mental illness that could and maybe should keep her out of court.

It is a wait and see- she has shown some odd behavior- the texting and talking to the media but so far nothing I have seen would tell me she is in a condition where she has no control of her actions.

And there is a huge difference between the everyday situational depression like the poster above spoke of while raising kids on your own etc. And Chronic depression. Wish more people would learn that for those suffering from that type of depression there is no "just get over it"

But let me say it may have been reported that she has been depressed (and that could be the connection with the theft case) but I don't believe depression is going to be the defense or the smoking gun in this case.

[oodi]

Maybe I need a new monitor but I did not see Melissa Huckaby cry. I saw no tear(s) running down her face. I saw her scrunched up face as if she was going to cry.
I saw 7 LE personnel in her immediate area. [JMO * Themis]

Hi Themis!

I watched it on CNN. She did cry... whether it was out of guilt or self pity, only she knows.

[aproudmom]

Good observation, he surely did say FILM.

Also, I am not caught up here... has anyone talked about the text message Sandra's Mom got from Melissa?

Strange. Almost like she wanted someone to put 2 and 2 together all along.
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57671&provider=top

Tracy Reels: Sunday School Teacher Arrested in Sandra Cantu Murder

&lt;snipped article&gt;

Huckaby was already scheduled to appear in court next Friday to check in with a county mental health program, part of a three-year probation sentence for a no contest petty theft plea. Huckaby told the Tracy Press that someone else with her name was facing charges for an attempted shoplifting from a Target store last November.

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman Terry Thornton said Huckaby has no state prison record.

The Press reported Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in intensive care for what she described as &quot;internal bleeding.&quot;

Earlier Saturday, Tracy Police Chief Janet Thiessen said investigators worked the case tirelessly in the hopes of finding Sandra.

&quot;We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered,&quot; said Thiessen.

&quot;It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing.&quot;

A source close to the Cantu family told News10's Tim Daly that Huckaby sent a text message to Sandra's mother Maria Chavez the night the girl disappeared.

According to the source, Huckaby texted about how strange it was that Sandra and Huckaby's suitcase both disappeared on the same day.

The source said Maria Chavez didn't understand the message and did not respond. Police would not comment on any facet of the source's claim.

HI
Wondered where you have been thanks again for the photos you allowed us to use..it has helped alot..I had not seen this about the text got to check it out..thanks again

[omsk99]

Normally, this wouldn't catch my attention, but with this woman everything does (bolding is mine):

"Huckaby, who grew up in Orange County, California, moved in with her grandparents about eight months ago, according to the Contra Costa Times. She did so in part so that she'd have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who ... gets sick a lot"

I know her daughter is only 5 years old and kids get sick often, but since this is being emphasized and allegedly is a reason why she moved in with her GPs, makes me wonder what condition, if any, she has, or if she (Madison) has been abused? :sad:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html

[aproudmom]

Hi Themis!

I watched it on CNN. She did cry... whether it was out of guilt or self pity, only she knows.

looked like a guilty person to me the only time I saw her cringe was when they said use of a foreign object:angry:

[Squidward]

Maybe I need a new monitor but I did not see Melissa Huckaby cry. I saw no tear(s) running down her face. I saw her scrunched up face as if she was going to cry.
I saw 7 LE personnel in her immediate area. [JMO * Themis]

Don't rush out to buy that new monitor, I didn't see tears either. I saw her look emotional, upset, scared... whatever but I don't think any of that was for Sandra, her tears if there were any were for herself. IMO

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace is actually starting out her show talking about Sandra and MH in court today! I don't know how much more she'll have though. :smile:

[titanfan217]

I was kind of disconcerted when the representative, the blond woman, reached out and rubbed MHs back when she saw MH was tearing up.


Didn't even notice that, I kept looking at the blonde lady thinking she reminded me of someone -- finally figured it out that it's a country music singer.

[lune3]

(snipped for space)

A source close to the Cantu family told News10's Tim Daly that Huckaby sent a text message to Sandra's mother Maria Chavez the night the girl disappeared.

According to the source, Huckaby texted about how strange it was that Sandra and Huckaby's suitcase both disappeared on the same day.

The source said Maria Chavez didn't understand the message and did not respond. Police would not comment on any facet of the source's claim.

If this is true, it's another example of MH's pathological need to have a part in the investigation..manipulating, watching, having control. (like the bizarre "note" she "found".)

How dare her message the victim's mother. How incredibly cruel.

[StickyBeak]

Larry King show tonight will be about MH, hope he includes Sandra. JMO

[bama__angel]

If this is true, it's another example of MH's pathological need to have a part in the investigation..manipulating, watching, having control. (like the bizarre "note" she "found".)

How dare her message the victim's mother. How incredibly cruel.



And if this is true, and I pray that it's not......It's not just control, it's also taunting Sandra's mom.....You know kinda like, hey I lost my suitcse the same day that you lost your daughter.......IMO

[For Gabriel]

Nancy Grace is actually starting out her show talking about Sandra and MH in court today! I don't know how much more she'll have though. :smile:

Will you kindly post any new info. if Nancy has any?
TY!:smile:

[omsk99]

Good observation, he surely did say FILM.

Also, I am not caught up here... has anyone talked about the text message Sandra's Mom got from Melissa?

Strange. Almost like she wanted someone to put 2 and 2 together all along.
http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57671&provider=top


Snipped for space only.

Wow, thank you for the link. This is the first time I have heard of the text message. What a bizarre thing to do, considering what we now know :ohmy:

[aproudmom]

Normally, this wouldn't catch my attention, but with this woman everything does (bolding is mine):

"Huckaby, who grew up in Orange County, California, moved in with her grandparents about eight months ago, according to the Contra Costa Times. She did so in part so that she'd have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who ... gets sick a lot"

I know her daughter is only 5 years old and kids get sick often, but since this is being emphasized and allegedly is a reason why she moved in with her GPs, makes me wonder what condition, if any, she has, or if she (Madison) has been abused? :sad:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html

oh there has been many reasons one was she had allergies I think..another she was there to help them out.. other one was she had a bad divorce she was a single mom who got into a little trouble was trying to make her life better could not get a job..shall I go on..she said she had internal bleeding her dad said ulcer but she refused to tell Tracy Press that only internal bleeding but talked and text them for 40 minutes..and text them and waved bye bye as she left to go to the PD and had LOL in the text.. meaning laugh out loud...

[~jomomma~]

did they say some of Sandra's family was in court today?

[sunstar]

A reporter is telling NG that LE isn't through with their investigation. He also described MH's red jumpsuit and matching red eyes. They're showing MH video in court today and the last video of Sandra. :sad: NG asking the Sgt. if LE has the "object" that was used to violate Sandra. He says he can't comment.

[oodi]

looked like a guilty person to me the only time I saw her cringe was when they said use of a foreign object:angry:

Hey... I want to see her tried and convicted as much as anyone... but I'm not going to pretend to be a mindreader and claim to know why she cried.

[n/t]

Even the state is admitting that mental health will play a part in this case so we can't ignore it, nor should we be chastised for discussing it- it is front and center in this case at this time.

Now I pointed out that depression can lead to murder but simple chronic depression in my opinion is not an excuse or a reason not to go to trial.

But there are other mental illness that could and maybe should keep her out of court.

It is a wait and see- she has shown some odd behavior- the texting and talking to the media but so far nothing I have seen would tell me she is in a condition where she has no control of her actions.

And there is a huge difference between the everyday situational depression like the poster above spoke of while raising kids on your own etc. And Chronic depression. Wish more people would learn that for those suffering from that type of depression there is no "just get over it"

But let me say it may have been reported that she has been depressed (and that could be the connection with the theft case) but I don't believe depression is going to be the defense or the smoking gun in this case.

I heard she was depressed after her divorce. This coming from her dad. Is that considered chronic mental illness to you? Not to me. Many of us have been to hell and back trying to raise our children as a single parent. We had to hold down full time jobs and struggled everyday to put food on the table and pay bills.

Please let's not go there. I have NOT seen any proof or evidence that she suffered any chronic mental illness. As a matter of fact, her own father said she did NOT. If you did, please provide a link.

Just because she's a woman does not give her a free pass for this crime.

[aproudmom]

can not comment on if they have the object but that was what was read in court today...hummm wonder what that means..:mad:

[lune3]

Normally, this wouldn't catch my attention, but with this woman everything does (bolding is mine):

"Huckaby, who grew up in Orange County, California, moved in with her grandparents about eight months ago, according to the Contra Costa Times. She did so in part so that she'd have more time "to take better care of her daughter, who ... gets sick a lot"

I know her daughter is only 5 years old and kids get sick often, but since this is being emphasized and allegedly is a reason why she moved in with her GPs, makes me wonder what condition, if any, she has, or if she (Madison) has been abused? :sad:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/california.slain.girl.suspect/index.html

I've been very afraid this might be the case, ..molestation. A neighbour also stated the Madison was always kept inside.
Could be that she genuinely has a condition, but....in these circumstances it makes you question.

[sunstar]

Larry King show tonight will be about MH, hope he includes Sandra. JMO

Thanks so much!! :smile:

[omsk99]

oh there has been many reasons one was she had allergies I think..another she was there to help them out.. other one was she had a bad divorce she was a single mom who got into a little trouble was trying to make her life better could not get a job..shall I go on..she said she had internal bleeding her dad said ulcer but she refused to tell Tracy Press that only internal bleeding but talked and text them for 40 minutes..and text them and waved bye bye as she left to go to the PD and had LOL in the text.. meaning laugh out loud...

I know what you mean. It could be a very simple reason that she couldn't take care of her daughter on her own, which happens. But I am alarmed to read that her daughter gets sick a lot, I just hope that's all it is - sick, as kids get sick, and not something else...

[titanfan217]

NG reported that LE have been back to the mobile home & to the church today.

[For Gabriel]

If this is true, it's another example of MH's pathological need to have a part in the investigation..manipulating, watching, having control. (like the bizarre "note" she "found".)

How dare her message the victim's mother. How incredibly cruel.

Cruel doesn't even begin to discribe! If this is true, this bi#$h is truely a monster! It's a poor attempt to cover ones tracks. If she wanted to not get caught, maybe she should have layed low, even though it sounds like authorites were already circling around the dolt.

[sunstar]

Showing video of her in court with the lawyer asking for a continuance to 4/24. Also talking about the medical/psych evaluation.

[Themis]

Don't rush out to buy that new monitor, I didn't see tears either. I saw her look emotional, upset, scared... whatever but I don't think any of that was for Sandra, her tears if there were any were for herself. IMO
Omsk99's comment about the single tear made me question my eyesight. But Oodi's comment about seeing her actually cry convinced me I definitely need a new monitor. And since I do not know if just a new monitor will suffice, I decided I need an entire new system. So, Squid, with your comment, I'll just sit back and wait and see since I was looking at the CBS link and not CNN as Oodi did. Thanks all. [JMO]

[Sweetly]

If this is true, it's another example of MH's pathological need to have a part in the investigation..manipulating, watching, having control. (like the bizarre "note" she "found".)

How dare her message the victim's mother. How incredibly cruel.

How did she text msg the mother when she said she didnt have a puter to even report her luggage as being missing? Just wondering?

[sunstar]

Showing video of Sandra's family talking about Sandra being gone while MH can still see her little girl grow up. :crying:


Now showing MH's family saying she looks good, but hasn't been able to get much sleep. (oh, boo hoo, as NG would say!)

NG talking about MH asking for a state appointed attorney so the tax payers can pay for it.

[oodi]

Breaking news:

They served another search warrant on the church and on MH's mobilehome that she shared with her grandparents.

[lune3]

Showing video of her in court with the lawyer asking for a continuance to 4/24. Also talking about the medical/psych evaluation.

I heard "medication evaluation". I took that to mean she may already be on some medication, and cringed at the thought that such medication might be an issue in the defense plan.

[bama__angel]

I heard she was depressed after her divorce. This coming from her dad. Is that considered chronic mental illness to you? Not to me. Many of us have been to hell and back trying to raise our children as a single parent. We had to hold down full time jobs and struggled everyday to put food on the table and pay bills.

Please let's not go there. I have NOT seen any proof or evidence that she suffered any chronic mental illness. As a matter of fact, her own father said she did NOT. If you did, please provide a link.

Just because she's a woman does not give her a free pass for this crime.


Unless this woman is having conversations with people that the rest of the world cant see and has been doing this for awhile and everyone knows it, then I cant hang with mental illness.......Sorry...IMO... and apparently she is considered to be a normal loving mother, and IMO has spent many years hiding and perfecting her depravity.......

[For Gabriel]

How did she text msg the mother when she said she didnt have a puter to even report her luggage as being missing? Just wondering?

Cell phone.

[Keegan]

She was so depressed that she was able to plan a murder, plan to cover it up, plan an insanity defense, hide a body, and cry in court when the charges were read. Cry me a river.

[Sweetly]

Text messages are done on a cell phone, not computer.

Oh duh, yes, you are correct. Laughing at myself, now! :unsure:

[aproudmom]

I heard she was depressed after her divorce. This coming from her dad. Is that considered chronic mental illness to you? Not to me. Many of us have been to hell and back trying to raise our children as a single parent. We had to hold down full time jobs and struggled everyday to put food on the table and pay bills.

Please let's not go there. I have NOT seen any proof or evidence that she suffered any chronic mental illness. As a matter of fact, her own father said she did NOT. If you did, please provide a link.

Just because she's a woman does not give her a free pass for this crime.

Thanks n/t
I think that is getting way out of control kinda sick of hearing it also..and it was her father not her n/t that said she had a hard divorce and a single mom couldn't find a job..he never said she had clinical or sever depression.I do not need to see some link from anyone either I have lived with all of the above and never even got a speeding ticket..

I just heard the video again I thought the PD said she wanted her to have a medication evaluation..does that even mean she is on medication..??or may need some

[sunstar]

I heard "medication evaluation". I took that to mean she may already be on some medication, and cringed at the thought that such medication might be an issue in the defense plan.

thanks for correcting me. :smile:

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Themis!

I watched it on CNN. She did cry... whether it was out of guilt or self pity, only she knows.

I saw the tear. It ended up down by the side of her chin and then under it. She seemed to be ultra embarrassed when the Judge mentioned the rape allegations.

I do not believe for a moment that she cried for her victim.

[bama__angel]

I heard "medication evaluation". I took that to mean she may already be on some medication, and cringed at the thought that such medication might be an issue in the defense plan.


lune....I read in one of the Cali newslinks that Melissa had requested for herself a mental evaluation after her arrest for one of the petty theft charges......The Court IMO did NOT request this....She did... and I am really bad at trying to find news articles....but I will try and post this for you....

[sunstar]

A caller is asking if MH's child has been questioned and about it taking 4 men to remove the suitcase, how could MH have put it there by herself. Reporter reminding us Sandra only weighed 45-50 lbs.

[oodi]

Here's the link for the new warrants:

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

[darjeeling]

I'm so glad Nancy Grace is covering this case first. She even looks pretty today. :biggrin:

[meadowlark]

If this is true, it's another example of MH's pathological need to have a part in the investigation..manipulating, watching, having control. (like the bizarre "note" she "found".)

How dare her message the victim's mother. How incredibly cruel.

there were "clues" being handed out right and left. However, another thing we have to think about, a text message does not mean it was Melissa who actually sent it. Probably was, but might not be

did someone else have Melissa's phone?

*****

also look at this

"We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered," said Thiessen.

"It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing."


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57671&provider=top

when did they have this information?
and this info helped them to bring sandra home? so did they have this info before sandra was found? must have.

Who told them sandra was probably already dead, before sandra was found?


see someone has been talking or communicating to them all along. Either Melissa, or someone. I think this is one reason why they had so many Press release conferences when they had nothing to say. They were communicating back.

[MoonFlwr]

My own personable opinion is at least she cried. maybe she will be forgiven in gods eyes. Casey never once shed a tear. I think she will confess! jmo

No offence meant with my post, but I don't think we should continue to almost use Casey as the standard when commenting on people's demeanour in court.

I've watched many (other) people who have been found guilty in a court of law, crying like Melissa was crying in court...so it can't really be seen as an indication of too much. Who knows who the tears are for etc.

[FrankieBones1]

She was so depressed that she was able to plan a murder, plan to cover it up, plan an insanity defense, hide a body, and cry in court when the charges were read. Cry me a river.
Great post!

[aproudmom]

Oh duh, yes, you are correct. Laughing at myself, now! :unsure:

lol we all do that every once in awhile:biggrin:

[AmndaRcknwth]

A reporter is telling NG that LE isn't through with their investigation. He also described MH's red jumpsuit and matching red eyes. They're showing MH video in court today and the last video of Sandra. :sad: NG asking the Sgt. if LE has the "object" that was used to violate Sandra. He says he can't comment.

Interesting what he can't comment about.

They took handles from the church, I read somewhere, no link, so I will have to say IMO to this.


Oh and the tears? There was a spot where one dripped from the () cheek down to her red top. gmab, poor thing. boohoo.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/008-1.jpg

[dinojen]

TRACY (KRON) -- Tracy Police officers are examining possible evidence recovered during a third search of the Clover Road Baptist Church.

KRON 4's Terisa Estacio says investigators spent about 15 minutes inside the church then left with what appeared to be evidence envelopes.

The latest search comes just hours after Melissa Huckaby appeared in a San Joaquin County Superior Court to hear the kidnapping and murder charges read against her. Prosecutors are alleging special circumstances of rape with a foreign object and lewd and lascivious conduct with a child under the age of 14.

Tracy Police spokesman Sgt. Tony Sheneman tells Terisa officers also searched the home Huckaby shares with her grandfather and grandmother.

It's unclear what authorities are searching for at the church where Huckaby served as a Sunday School teachers. All of the warrants issued so far in the case remain under a court seal.

KRON 4's Terisa Estacio remains at the church. Stay tuned to KRON 4 and KRON4.com for continuing coverage of this developing situation.

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1041/reftab/36/t/Investigators-Return-to-Clover-Lane-Baptist-Church--the-Huckaby-Home--to-Serve-Third-Search-Warrant/Default.aspx

[titanfan217]

When I first saw MH on HLN this afternoon, I did think she looked remorseful. That was still shots. Since watching the video, I've changed my tune.

There is a rumor that she told her family (guess dad and grandma when she saw them last night) that she didn't do it.



NG is off to TotMom and I'm off to a baseball game.

[playnice]

They said something on NG about MH being ADD?

[sunstar]

I'm so glad Nancy Grace is covering this case first. She even looks pretty today. :biggrin:

So am I! I think we've almost got everything with Casey memorized so let's talk about something happening now. :laugh:

[oodi]

(((oodi))) good to se you here! This case will be very interesting. Glad to have another "clear head" here - along with these terrific posters.

GREAT group on this thread.


Hi CJ!!! Good to see you too!

In case you missed it, there was just breaking news about new warrants served a short while ago. I posted a link a few posts back.

[ginky41]

there were "clues" being handed out right and left. However, another thing we have to think about, a text message does not mean it was Melissa who actually sent it. Probably was, but might not be

did someone else have Melissa's phone?

*****

also look at this

"We have information that Sandra, by the time she was reported missing to us, that she probably had already been murdered," said Thiessen.

"It has helped us to bring Sandra home, again not in the way that we would've hoped, but that was out of our hands shortly after she went missing."


http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=57671&provider=top

when did they have this information?
and this info helped them to bring sandra home? so did they have this info before sandra was found? must have.

Who told them sandra was probably already dead, before sandra was found?


see someone has been talking or communicating to them all along. Either Melissa, or someone. I think this is one reason why they had so many Press release conferences when they had nothing to say. They were communicating back.

Respectfully, I disagree. I think she confessed or at least gave them enough information HERSELF to charge her. IMO.

[MoonFlwr]

A caller is asking if MH's child has been questioned and about it taking 4 men to remove the suitcase, how could MH have put it there by herself. Reporter reminding us Sandra only weighed 45-50 lbs.

A soaking suitcase is a lot heavier than a dry one...plus they used 4 men because they had 4 there...but probably didn't need 4 men (I think!)
Plus, they'd be removing it ever so carefully so as not to destroy any possible evidence (IMO).

[aproudmom]

No offence meant with my post, but I don't think we should continue to almost use Casey as the standard when commenting on people's demeanour in court.

I've watched many (other) people who have been found guilty in a court of law, crying like Melissa was crying in court...so it can't really be seen as an indication of too much. Who knows who the tears are for etc.

could be crying cause you got caught..we all need to remember it has been stated they talked to her 2 times..not until she started talking to the press did they see the inconsistent statements she did this thinking she had got away with it or at least at that time...jmo

[lune3]

thanks for correcting me. :smile:

Oh I'm sure she will have a med/psych evaluation too. It's just that the "medication evaluation" implies that there may be something wrong with her present medication (in her view), so with the distinction, the particular wording, I sensed that they might "blame" part of all this on her meds. Ugh, it's just not going to fly if it's being considered at all.

[grammie/va]

Welcome Court Jester and I'm sure that one of the great posters will be able to point you in the direction get updated quickly.

[titanfan217]

A soaking suitcase is a lot heavier than a dry one...plus they used 4 men because they had 4 there...but probably didn't need 4 men (I think!)
Plus, they'd be removing it ever so carefully so as not to destroy any possible evidence (IMO).


They are also showing Sandra some respect.

[oodi]

More breaking news

One of the new search warrants was served because MH admitted to writing the first note about suitcase, Whitehall, etc.

[sunstar]

A soaking suitcase is a lot heavier than a dry one...plus they used 4 men because they had 4 there...but probably didn't need 4 men (I think!)
Plus, they'd be removing it ever so carefully so as not to destroy any possible evidence (IMO).

Exactly!!! Sometimes the callers don't even think before asking, imo. :laugh:

[aproudmom]

A soaking suitcase is a lot heavier than a dry one...plus they used 4 men because they had 4 there...but probably didn't need 4 men (I think!)

I agree
Moon IMO they knew this was that child and did not want to drag it out of there they did not throw it in the back of a CSI truck it was placed in a body bag and then on a stretcher...I really think 1 could have drug it to the road but they are parents and sure they had a good idea it was her so did not want all of america seeing them pulling this luggage out of there..so I agree with you 1 could have got the luggage and now we know the body of Sandra out of that area..

[sunstar]

Oh I'm sure she will have a med/psych evaluation too. It's just that the "medication evaluation" implies that there may be something wrong with her present medication (in her view), so with the distinction, the particular wording, I sensed that they might "blame" part of all this on her meds. Ugh, it's just not going to fly if it's being considered at all.

It really makes me so mad when I start hearing all these insanity and psychotic defenses when the crime itself seems planned and the acts performed on Sandra are so heinous. MOO :flamemad:

[KaraokeDiva]

On HLN now:

She was crying as the judge read the charges.I'm just now catching up with the day...but excuse me if I say "boo-hoo". I wonder what Sandra was doing while raped and murdered by this POScrap woman.... :rolleyes:

[Keegan]

More breaking news

One of the new search warrants was served because MH admitted to writing the first note about suitcase, Whitehall, etc.

I am so shocked!! I bet MH knows how to spell suitcase. Makes sense.. multipersonality disorder. I knew it was coming.

[~jomomma~]

Here's the link for the new warrants:

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html


this concerns me...with all the people in that church on Sunday!

[ginky41]

I am so shocked!! I bet MH knows how to spell suitcase. Makes sense.. multipersonality disorder. I knew it was coming.


How can you write a note with exact details and not be guilty, or at the very least, an accomplice to this crime? I'm pretty sure she would have given up any other names by now if there were others involved. IMO.

[aproudmom]

More breaking news

One of the new search warrants was served because MH admitted to writing the first note about suitcase, Whitehall, etc.

OMG really well well wonder what else she admitted to..

[lune3]

I am so shocked!! I bet MH knows how to spell suitcase. Makes sense.. multipersonality disorder. I knew it was coming.

Didn't we all suspect she wrote the note? She found it "near the mailboxes" IIRC.

I don't think she has mpd, ..I think she herself and I were one person who knew exactly what she was doing.
Besides, if she had mpd, this would have been manifested very obviously in previous behaviour, and known by those closest to her.

[meadowlark]

Here's the link for the new warrants:

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

hmmm they have to have something NEW, they can't just keep going back any time they feel like it, they have to fill out an application for the warrant and it have probable cause to search again.

maybe "someone" is talking?

[aproudmom]

How can you write a note with exact details and not be guilty, or at the very least, an accomplice to this crime? I'm pretty sure she would have given up any other names by now if there were others involved. IMO.

maybe that is why she said to the media if they had listened to her before they could have saved her(Sandra) maybe she really meant found her dead sooner..:mad:

[doctor_J]

Oh I'm sure she will have a med/psych evaluation too. It's just that the "medication evaluation" implies that there may be something wrong with her present medication (in her view), so with the distinction, the particular wording, I sensed that they might "blame" part of all this on her meds. Ugh, it's just not going to fly if it's being considered at all.

Can't speak for Ca. but where I live this is SOP if a new inmate is on medication before incarceration but it cannot be given in the jail until it is approved by the court approved physician. She's probably on anti-depressants and they are also laying the groundwork for a defense involving the drugs or the illness. After all she used this as a defense in her shoplifting case.

[lune3]

OMG really well well wonder what else she admitted to..

It's unreal isn't it? Had she kept her mouth shut and lain low, who knows if they would have caught her...at least not as soon. I believe they were looking at others quite closely.

[ginky41]

IMO, there are a lot of tidbits of information in this case that when put together lead me to believe that MH has all but confessed to this crime. Sheneman admitted that early on they were looking for a man and were shocked to find out it was a woman. It seems to me like perhaps they knew early on that MH was involved but maybe not the sole or main perp. As things have developed since Saturday when she was arrested I feel confident that LE knows exactly what happened and exactly what the time frame was. I don't think they would so clearly rule out other suspects in *this case* and level the kind of charges against MH they have if they weren't very certain that she is guilty. IMO.

[AmndaRcknwth]

hmmm they have to have something NEW, they can't just keep going back any time they feel like it, they have to fill out an application for the warrant and it have probable cause to search again.

maybe "someone" is talking?

OR a film or pictures have surfaced.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't know.. something is just hinky about this.. the look on her face when they read the foreign object charge.. I don't know.. I do agree with you if she is guilty of all this she needs to pay.. but I want it done right and make sure they have the right person... there is just something that is weird.. IMO.

Was reading the posters while listening to the live link to the arraignment.. one poster is adamant she is taking the fall for someone..:confused: Some guy named Julio.. says he's from websleuths.. don't know anything about websleuths just thought it was odd.. everyone kept asking him how he knew so much.

Guess we will eventually know some more..

I figured she was off suicide watch if her father and grandmother saw her yesterday, I don't think you can have visitors as long as you are on that.. I could be wrong.

I think she is like others who knows once those legal profound words are read against them is when they know there is no going back now and they cry for themselves because they are fearful of where they are headed. I doubt she was crying as she raped Sandra with a foreign object or when she murdered her.

I don't think she is taking the fall for anyone. I think she tried to appear to Sandra as meek, good and mild and tricked her into trusting her. She seems sinister with a very dark secret to me. She knows now she has done the unforgivable and everyone is going to know about it. No longer can she hide those dark hidden thoughts because the DA is going to expose them to the light of day and the results of those dark corners of her mind.

I don't think she made threats of harming herself but anytime a defendant is arrested on felony charges this serious it is usually customary that they are put on suicide watch for 24 or 48 hours.

She is uncomfortable because she knows the truth is coming and she is powerless to keep her secrets a secret anymore.

imo

[sunstar]

How can you write a note with exact details and not be guilty, or at the very least, an accomplice to this crime? I'm pretty sure she would have given up any other names by now if there were others involved. IMO.

You're right, at the very least she's an accomplice. But I think LE has a lot more than just the note against her, they're just not revealing all the information. I thought it was interesting tonight when NG was asking the Sgt. about the weapon that he couldn't comment. It's so sickening, but I am curious what and if they recovered it. MOO

[aproudmom]

hmmm they have to have something NEW, they can't just keep going back any time they feel like it, they have to fill out an application for the warrant and it have probable cause to search again.

maybe "someone" is talking?

I agree something had to give them reason to ask a Judge for a new warrant..imo

[n/t]

It's unreal isn't it? Had she kept her mouth shut and lain low, who knows if they would have caught her...at least not as soon. I believe they were looking at others quite closely.

There's no doubt in my mind that they were looking for a man.

[playnice]

I think she is like others who knows once those legal profound words are read against them is when they know there is no going back now and they cry for themselves because they are fearful of where they are headed. I doubt she was crying as she raped Sandra with a foreign object or when she murdered her.

I don't think she is taking the fall for anyone. I think she tried to appear to Sandra as meek, good and mild and tricked her into trusting her. She seems sinister with a very dark secret to me. She knows now she has done the unforgivable and everyone is going to know about it. No longer can she hide those dark hidden thoughts because the DA is going to expose them to the light of day and the results of those dark corners of her mind.

I don't think she made threats of harming herself but anytime a defendant is arrested on felony charges this serious it is usually customary that they are put on suicide watch for 24 or 48 hours.

She is uncomfortable because she knows the truth is coming and she is powerless to keep her secrets a secret anymore.

imo

:thumbup::thumbup:

[Riverwalk!]

I am so shocked!! I bet MH knows how to spell suitcase. Makes sense.. multipersonality disorder. I knew it was coming.

Maybe she can't spul?

[lune3]

Can't speak for Ca. but where I live this is SOP if a new inmate is on medication before incarceration but it cannot be given in the jail until it is approved by the court approved physician. She's probably on anti-depressants and they are also laying the groundwork for a defense involving the drugs or the illness. After all she used this as a defense in her shoplifting case.

Oh, thanks! So it could be as simple as requesting that evaluation in order that she can continue taking it.

[ginky41]

You're right, at the very least she's an accomplice. But I think LE has a lot more than just the note against her, they're just not revealing all the information. I thought it was interesting tonight when NG was asking the Sgt. about the weapon that he couldn't comment. It's so sickening, but I am curious what and if they recovered it. MOO

I agree, I think they have lots of evidence pointing toward her. It just seems interesting to me that she can tell her family she's innocent and yet also confess to writing that note. Those two things CANNOT go together, IMO.

[aproudmom]

You're right, at the very least she's an accomplice. But I think LE has a lot more than just the note against her, they're just not revealing all the information. I thought it was interesting tonight when NG was asking the Sgt. about the weapon that he couldn't comment. It's so sickening, but I am curious what and if they recovered it. MOO

I also saw that sunstar
even posted it..he sure acted as if they found something but could not comment..jmo

[ginky41]

Is anyone else surprised at how adamant LE is that there are no other accomplices or suspects, that she acted alone?

Sheneman states he hasn't been told the cause of death, and he still states she acted alone. How could they know that with such certainty?

Considering they are saying so little, it seems odd to say that - and with such clarity.


That is one of the main things that leads me to believe she confessed. IMO.

[MoonFlwr]

Hi, aproudmom! Do you agree that we need to be very careful in "mixing-up" the Casey Anthony trial and this case? I see too many people mentioning items from the Anthony case, comparing them to this case. JMO but this case needs to stand alone.

Just reading some of the comments and thinking "woagh" these are separate cases.

I understand that these cases are being run parallel in our justice system...and it IS hard considering both cases involve small children.

Enough of my blither.....I get so easily confused.

That's the point I was trying to make when I posted about CA a few posts back, too, Jester.

Absolutely, I agree with you....2 completely separate, unrelated cases and no need to mention peoples' names who've already had way too much attention already! grrrr

[Anakerie]

Can't speak for Ca. but where I live this is SOP if a new inmate is on medication before incarceration but it cannot be given in the jail until it is approved by the court approved physician. She's probably on anti-depressants and they are also laying the groundwork for a defense involving the drugs or the illness. After all she used this as a defense in her shoplifting case.
I'm in CA and it's pretty much SOP here as well. When arrested, one of the first things done is a med evaluation, including getting a list of medications and verifying the need of those medications. Since sometimes a perp's meds are necessary, the med evaluations are done within the first day of incarceration. (I don't know all this for a fact, just from what I've been told by others...)

[~jomomma~]

You're right, at the very least she's an accomplice. But I think LE has a lot more than just the note against her, they're just not revealing all the information. I thought it was interesting tonight when NG was asking the Sgt. about the weapon that he couldn't comment. It's so sickening, but I am curious what and if they recovered it. MOO

i know. my mind has gone all over the place with it. :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

A soaking suitcase is a lot heavier than a dry one...plus they used 4 men because they had 4 there...but probably didn't need 4 men (I think!)
Plus, they'd be removing it ever so carefully so as not to destroy any possible evidence (IMO).

I think all 4 did it out of respect for Sandra......like LE gently carried Laci when they brought her up to the transport vehicle.:sad:

imoo

[sunstar]

I agree, I think they have lots of evidence pointing toward her. It just seems interesting to me that she can tell her family she's innocent and yet also confess to writing that note. Those two things CANNOT go together, IMO.

No they can't. I also think at this point her family needs to stay away from the media. I'm getting tired of hearing families painting the defendants in such a good light like they could NEVER do anything wrong. :sneaky: MOO

[meadowlark]

Respectfully, I disagree. I think she confessed or at least gave them enough information HERSELF to charge her. IMO.

oh I beileve she gave them a LOT of information that led to her arrest. I am not trying to say she didn't, sorry if that is what it sounded like I meant.

what I am saying is "someone" was telling them info before sandra was found. It probably was HER doing it also.

I always felt someone was in communication with the police right from the beginning. I think Melissa was giving out clues from the beginning. I think there were a lot more clues than we have heard about. This girl puts out a lot of clues in her talking that you can miss if you don't watch for them.

now they are back at the church and her home I see. Maybe she is still talking to them. Or "someone" is.

They seem to have something very specific they went after this time, and they knew it would fit in those envelopes so they already knew how big it was. Videos? just a guess, I don't know. something that fits in an envelope and bulges a little. Could be a lot of things, weapon? book? I don't know. but whatever it is, it was specific enough they knew where it is and the size...

I believe someone is still talking to them.

[aproudmom]

I agree, I think they have lots of evidence pointing toward her. It just seems interesting to me that she can tell her family she's innocent and yet also confess to writing that note. Those two things CANNOT go together, IMO.

but she had not talked to them the night she was questioned.so we don't know what she told them and sure they do not even know what all she told them..this PD had not had enough time to go feel in her family also I kinda got from her dad leaving the jail that he felt she did not do this alone..maybe not just saying he kinda acted funny when they ask do you think your daughter did this alone if she did it...jmo

[ginky41]

No they can't. I also think at this point her family needs to stay away from the media. I'm getting tired of hearing families painting the defendants in such a good light like they could NEVER do anything wrong. :sneaky: MOO


I agree. I don't think they are helping anyone at all with their comments.

[sunstar]

i know. my mind has gone all over the place with it. :sad:

What I'm thinking is if they do have it, they'd recover Sandra's DNA and possibly MH's prints on it. MOO

[ginky41]

but she had not talked to them the night she was questioned.so we don't know what she told them and sure they do not even know what all she told them..this PD had not had enough time to go feel in her family also I kinda got from her dad leaving the jail that he felt she did not do this alone..maybe not just saying he kinda acted funny when they ask do you think your daughter did this alone if she did it...jmo

See, and I think that his comments "not the Melissa that I know" (or whatever he said) sounds like he's in shock to learn that she is, in fact, guilty.

[doctor_J]

Oh, thanks! So it could be as simple as requesting that evaluation in order that she can continue taking it.

Another charming little fact that might amuse you is that the jail approved physician usually takes their sweet time to get around to approving medication perscribed before incarceration. There's a method to the madness, however, because the doc wants to see if she will go into withdrawal, as in addiction to benzodiazipines (Valium, Xanex) or opiates (Vicodan, Percocets) or other drugs of abuse.

[~jomomma~]

3rd video in is from the church today

http://cbs13.com/sandracantu

[KittyMom]

Can't speak for Ca. but where I live this is SOP if a new inmate is on medication before incarceration but it cannot be given in the jail until it is approved by the court approved physician. She's probably on anti-depressants and they are also laying the groundwork for a defense involving the drugs or the illness. After all she used this as a defense in her shoplifting case.

What if its a med that can't be abruptly stopped? Is there any consideration to the effects of stopping meds if doing so poses a health risk to the individual? I'm thinking seizure meds, blood pressure meds, or other meds. Is the med eval given within hours of the person being placed in custody?

[kitty1182]

OR a film or pictures have surfaced.

That's what I'm thinking....

[meadowlark]

More breaking news

One of the new search warrants was served because MH admitted to writing the first note about suitcase, Whitehall, etc.

oh maybe they are looking for her notebooks. And whatever markers she used to write them. They would want this to prove she wrote the note.

I hope there is more notes in her notebook. I bet there is. Would be wonderful if they found a "codebook".

I know I know you won't understand me. But believe me, I believe this girl is a "coder"

[GentleBreeze]

Is anyone else surprised at how adamant LE is that there are no other accomplices or suspects, that she acted alone?

Sheneman states he hasn't been told the cause of death, and he still states she acted alone. How could they know that with such certainty?

Considering they are saying so little, it seems odd to say that - and with such clarity.

Does anyone know how she misspelled suitcase? If she made the very common error - suitecase - I think it's nothing. Google Suitecase. Even companies that SELL luggage misspell it that way.

Because all along they have done a masterful job imo but they hold their evidence close to the vest as they should. They have the evidence that she and she alone did these crimes imo.

None of us knows what it is but they certainly do. I have felt that firmly since the Sgt first stated it and imo he said it very assertively and with conviction. It has always struck me they are sure that she alone did this. How do they know? Many ways I suppose....I wish we knew but I don't think we will anytime soon, unfortunately.

imoo




imo

[LILMANMAX]

These new search warrants are very interesting indeed.
Very interesting.
I bet there will be more as well.
I'm glad the LE are keeping this as close to the vest as possible.

[oodi]

oh maybe they are looking for her notebooks. And whatever markers she used to write them. They would want this to prove she wrote the note.

I hope there is more notes in her notebook. I bet there is. Would be wonderful if they found a "codebook".

I know I know you won't understand me. But believe me, I believe this girl is a "coder"

I'm not sure what they are looking for, but here is the latest on KCRA:


http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

The 6pm news is about to start, so if there are any more "breaking news" events, I'll post them.

[aproudmom]

See, and I think that his comments "not the Melissa that I know" (or whatever he said) sounds like he's in shock to learn that she is, in fact, guilty.

really see we all see things different..you may be right..imo

[ginky41]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

Sources: Huckaby's Claims Cantu Death An 'Accident'

ETA: TRACY, Calif. -- KCRA 3 has learned that investigators close to the case said Melissa Huckaby admitted Tuesday that Sandra Cantu's death was an accident.

Investigators also told KCRA 3 that Huckaby said she wrote the note she said she found the day after Cantu's disappearance.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'"

Two new search warrants were issued Tuesday in relation to the case.

The focus of one warrant was the West Clover Road Baptist Church and the other was for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park home where Huckaby, 28, lived.

Huckaby is accused of killing the 8-year-old.

The search of the church was completed, but officers said the search of Huckaby's home is still under way.

[Anakerie]

What if its a med that can't be abruptly stopped? Is there any consideration to the effects of stopping meds if doing so poses a health risk to the individual? I'm thinking seizure meds, blood pressure meds, or other meds. Is the med eval given within hours of the person being placed in custody?
Yes... They get the list of meds from the inmate and then verify it, I'm assuming by calling the prescribing physician. Later the inmate will be evaluated by the physician who serves that jail/facility. Necessary meds like seizure meds, blood pressure meds and the like probably aren't that huge of a concern, but if the inmate claims they need valium, percoset or other drugs of that sort, they need to verify the need before the inmate will be allowed to have them.

[aproudmom]

Larry King on CNN

[oodi]

More breaking news

MH told investigators that Sandra's death was an accident.

[meadowlark]

OR a film or pictures have surfaced.

yes further on I wrote perhaps video, or her notebooks or "code" book.

the envelopes were poofed out just a little.

[doctor_J]

What if its a med that can't be abruptly stopped? Is there any consideration to the effects of stopping meds if doing so poses a health risk to the individual? I'm thinking seizure meds, blood pressure meds, or other meds. Is the med eval given within hours of the person being placed in custody?

They would get an Temporary Emergency Order for life sustaining drugs such as Digoxin, or anti-epileptics like Dilantin, or insulin. But there are only a handful of drugs that should not be skipped for even 3 or 4 days. As for as anti-hypertensives they would just monitor her B/P. Sometimes when there is no TEO, jail employees and LE just take them to the ER for meds. in shackles, esp. if the inmate is raising cain.

ETA--Most inmates are young and relatively healthy except for addictions. We're talking jail, not prison.

[GentleBreeze]

See, and I think that his comments "not the Melissa that I know" (or whatever he said) sounds like he's in shock to learn that she is, in fact, guilty.

I thought the exact same thing. He never denied that she actually did this. He just said the daughter he knew wouldn't do this but I doubt he knew what was creeping around in her twisted mind either.

But I would think it is extremely rare that a family member of a murder defendant would ever come out and say their loved one was capable of doing something like this.

mo

[ginky41]

MH now saying Sandra's death was an accident? Uh, ok. Was the rape and kidnapping an accident as well?

Either way sounds like a confession to me......IMO.

[kitty1182]

More breaking news

MH told investigators that Sandra's death was an accident.

An accident? when she was raped with an object? :cursing:

[oodi]

FYI...

Just a tidbit of info... Chandra Levy's mother accompanied Sandra's aunt and uncle to court today.

[sunstar]

Interesting discussion on LKL tonight. :smile:

[ginky41]

An accident? when she was raped with an object? :cursing:

And remember, LE is still extremely confident she acted alone. I just can't believe what's going on with this case.

[lune3]

oh maybe they are looking for her notebooks. And whatever markers she used to write them. They would want this to prove she wrote the note.

I hope there is more notes in her notebook. I bet there is. Would be wonderful if they found a "codebook".

I know I know you won't understand me. But believe me, I believe this girl is a "coder"

If she's a "coder" and was sending these hints and cryptic messages for her twisted amusement or need for control over authority, she sure wasn't clever about it.

[oodi]

An accident? when she was raped with an object? :cursing:


I know... sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it? Maybe MH meant the rape was intentional, but she didn't mean to kill her. :unsure:

[ginky41]

Where did you read that she is saying it was an accident? I'm very curious, because I think exactly that.

And interesting, she was charged with rape or attempted rape, molestation or attempted molestation.

How do you have physical evidence of attempted molestation? ???

I still think she was placed in that suitcase, alive, and died accidentally although any adult would know better than to place a child in a suitcase.

Look up thread....or: http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html.

[meadowlark]

Is anyone else surprised at how adamant LE is that there are no other accomplices or suspects, that she acted alone?

Sheneman states he hasn't been told the cause of death, and he still states she acted alone. How could they know that with such certainty?

Considering they are saying so little, it seems odd to say that - and with such clarity.

Does anyone know how she misspelled suitcase? If she made the very common error - suitecase - I think it's nothing. Google Suitecase. Even companies that SELL luggage misspell it that way.


they have not said how she spelled suitcase, nor have they said the name of the "other" street mentioned in the note. I believe these are more of her "code" words and this is why they will not release that information.

I have played around trying to decipher all the misspellings of suitcase I can think of. And in context with the other information in the note. Without that other street name we are very disadvantaged as to what she was actually trying to communicate. But I am working on it. :smile:

[sunstar]

MH now saying Sandra's death was an accident? Uh, ok. Was the rape and kidnapping an accident as well?

Either way sounds like a confession to me......IMO.

Accident? so she kidnapped her, and was planning to rape her with an object and just let her go free? No way! :flamemad: MOO

[OneUp]

A caller is asking if MH's child has been questioned and about it taking 4 men to remove the suitcase, how could MH have put it there by herself. Reporter reminding us Sandra only weighed 45-50 lbs.Yes...plus waterlogging of the suitcase and it's contents...:(...also the suitcase may have been bogged in the mud and muck on the bottom of the pond a bit. I would also guess that LE would be far more careful and concerned with the handling of the suitcase and Sandra than Melissa was when she dumped it, thus having more than one person hold on and carefully pull it out.
I think I do recall reading that there were things in the suitcase with Sandra ( but can't say for certain about that). If so depending on what the other things were they could weigh quite a bit more wet. A small rug would be and example, or any cloth item.
JMO...but it's not illogical to me that the Suitcase would weigh more coming out than going in, etc.

[oodi]

Where did you read that she is saying it was an accident? I'm very curious, because I think exactly that.

And interesting, she was charged with rape or attempted rape, molestation or attempted molestation.

How do you have physical evidence of attempted molestation? ???

I still think she was placed in that suitcase, alive, and died accidentally although any adult would know better than to place a child in a suitcase.

RR,

This is a local case for me, so I was reporting the breaking news on the newscast as it aired. The channel I'm watching is KCRA.

[ginky41]

Accident? so she kidnapped her, and was planning to rape her with an object and just let her go free? No way! :flamemad: MOO

Exactly...I'm not sure which is more cruel... :crying:

[VC2]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

Sources: Huckaby's Claims Cantu Death An 'Accident'

ETA: TRACY, Calif. -- KCRA 3 has learned that investigators close to the case said Melissa Huckaby admitted Tuesday that Sandra Cantu's death was an accident.

Investigators also told KCRA 3 that Huckaby said she wrote the note she said she found the day after Cantu's disappearance.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'"

Two new search warrants were issued Tuesday in relation to the case.

The focus of one warrant was the West Clover Road Baptist Church and the other was for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park home where Huckaby, 28, lived.

Huckaby is accused of killing the 8-year-old.

The search of the church was completed, but officers said the search of Huckaby's home is still under way.

an accident my foot. A foreign object "accidentally" was used to rape her?

however i do believe it was an accident in that she didn't start out planning to murder sandra, either sandra threatened to tell or she was internally damaged and even bled out (which would explain why LE knows where she died) during the rape. It actually makes the most sense given the "no visible trauma on initial examination".

[lune3]

More breaking news

MH told investigators that Sandra's death was an accident.

An accident??? ...FGS as in she was too violent and Sandra died because of her "accidental" violence while raping her with an instrument? What, was she planning to keep Sandra alive longer? I can't believe this.

[GentleBreeze]

More breaking news

MH told investigators that Sandra's death was an accident.

Did she accidentally rape her with a foreign object too?

Of course she would say it was an accident...doesn't everyone just put the person in a big old suitcase and throw them in a pond instead of calling 911?

I am being sarcastic of course oodi and it is not directed at you. I just get so tired of defendants that try to say it wasn't their fault and they didn't mean to do it.

I dont think the DA is buying that story for two seconds. MH is a pathological liar and has a huge motive to lie trying to save her sorry hide.

imoo

[aproudmom]

http://www.kcra.com/news/19181009/detail.html

Sources: Huckaby's Claims Cantu Death An 'Accident'

ETA: TRACY, Calif. -- KCRA 3 has learned that investigators close to the case said Melissa Huckaby admitted Tuesday that Sandra Cantu's death was an accident.

Investigators also told KCRA 3 that Huckaby said she wrote the note she said she found the day after Cantu's disappearance.

According to Huckaby, the note said, "Cantu, Suitcase, Water. The word 'suitcase' was misspelled, and there were two street names including the word 'Whitehall.'"

Two new search warrants were issued Tuesday in relation to the case.

The focus of one warrant was the West Clover Road Baptist Church and the other was for the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park home where Huckaby, 28, lived.

Huckaby is accused of killing the 8-year-old.

The search of the church was completed, but officers said the search of Huckaby's home is still under way.

Huckaby told a Tracy Press reporter the suitcase was hers but it had been stolen the day Cantu went missing.


Did she want caught?
"I wish they could have found her a lot sooner, if they would have followed up on this a lot sooner," Huckaby said earlier Friday before her arrest

[meadowlark]

See, and I think that his comments "not the Melissa that I know" (or whatever he said) sounds like he's in shock to learn that she is, in fact, guilty.


he kept saying "that is not my daughter".

that is not my daughter in the film.

[~jomomma~]

I totally disagree with you here. If I were accused of a crime, my Daddy would be outside the Courthouse daily, and commenting to any who would listen his love for me. If my Sister was accused of a crime, I would be a hell-on-wheels to tell everyone who would listen, how much I love her. I would defend my sacred family until my last breath.

My guess is that you, sunstar, do not have anyone in your life that you loves deeply, without reservations.

I feel sorry for you. What you see as "sneaky", I see as a person who has the deepest love wrenched to the core, incomprehensible and grasping upon the only fragments available: love, memories and unconditional love.

Your post is very sorry, indeed.


no need to attack a poster here :glare:

[Anakerie]

RR,

This is a local case for me, so I was reporting the breaking news on the newscast as it aired. The channel I'm watching is KCRA.
I was watching channel 13 news and they said the same things.. (It's local to me too.. Hi neighbor! :))
http://cbs13.com/

Channel 13 is also saying that the murder happened inside the church...
http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

[aproudmom]

I totally disagree with you here. If I were accused of a crime, my Daddy would be outside the Courthouse daily, and commenting to any who would listen his love for me. If my Sister was accused of a crime, I would be a hell-on-wheels to tell everyone who would listen, how much I love her. I would defend my sacred family until my last breath.

My guess is that you, sunstar, do not have anyone in your life that you loves deeply, without reservations.

I feel sorry for you. What you see as "sneaky", I see as a person who has the deepest love wrenched to the core, incomprehensible and grasping upon the only fragments available: love, memories and unconditional love.

Your post is very sorry, indeed.

I for one think that is a little uncalled for..everyone has a opinion just can not attack other posters. that is MO

[oodi]

Hi Anakerie!!!

It looks like a few of us are over here now that PS is over!

[Keegan]

I totally disagree with you here. If I were accused of a crime, my Daddy would be outside the Courthouse daily, and commenting to any who would listen his love for me. If my Sister was accused of a crime, I would be a hell-on-wheels to tell everyone who would listen, how much I love her. I would defend my sacred family until my last breath.

My guess is that you, sunstar, do not have anyone in your life that you loves deeply, without reservations.

I feel sorry for you. What you see as "sneaky", I see as a person who has the deepest love wrenched to the core, incomprehensible and grasping upon the only fragments available: love, memories and unconditional love.

Your post is very sorry, indeed.

Unconditional love does not mean you do not stand by truth. Unconditional love is misunderstood in our society. It does not mean that a parent's underconditional love includes allowing that child to harm others. This is not unconditional love. This is excuses.

[aproudmom]

I was watching channel 13 news and they said the same things.. (It's local to me too.. Hi neighbor! :))
http://cbs13.com/

Channel 13 is also saying that the murder happened inside the church...
http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

O we love locals..:biggrin:

[ginky41]

I was watching channel 13 news and they said the same things.. (It's local to me too.. Hi neighbor! :))
http://cbs13.com/

Channel 13 is also saying that the murder happened inside the church...
http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

With LE being so tight-lipped where are these details coming from? A leak?

[Anakerie]

Hi Anakerie!!!

It looks like a few of us are over here now that PS is over!
I've been lurking here since I got home from my trip last week.. I couldn't follow the boards here while I was gone because I had very little internet access.. But since being home, I've followed this case close because it's "local" to me and I have friends and family down there in Tracy.

[titanfan217]

I love my adopted son forever, but there are many days that I do not like him or what he does.

[KittyMom]

Yes... They get the list of meds from the inmate and then verify it, I'm assuming by calling the prescribing physician. Later the inmate will be evaluated by the physician who serves that jail/facility. Necessary meds like seizure meds, blood pressure meds and the like probably aren't that huge of a concern, but if the inmate claims they need valium, percoset or other drugs of that sort, they need to verify the need before the inmate will be allowed to have them.

Thanks! I was wondering why we don't hear of more inmates dying of heart attacks in jail. That explains it.

[sunstar]

Exactly...I'm not sure which is more cruel... :crying:

I just pray poor Sandra was drugged first and didn't realize what was happening. :sad:


Dr. Wecht is talking about the rape now and how it can be determined if the injuries were before or after death, considering the decomposition that would take place before her body was found. He's also talking about out of control rage in order for a woman to use a foreign object. :crying:

[sunstar]

Pat Brown is saying if MH wanted to stage a sex crime to make it look like a predator did it, she wouldn't have put Sandra in the suitcase and put it in the water where she probably believed it wouldn't be found. A (male) SO would've put her by the side of the road, naked, in her opinion. So she's saying this isn't a staged sex crime.

[meadowlark]

If she's a "coder" and was sending these hints and cryptic messages for her twisted amusement or need for control over authority, she sure wasn't clever about it.

her mouth got her in trouble. But you can be a "coder" and not a smart one LOL you can be a great "coder" and a dumb criminal too.

she learned to "code" somewhere. Either someone taught her or she read a lot about sk's. Being in that area she is in and knowing how to Code, or the basics of it, she is around someone. Or she has been on crime boards watching this stuff.

[kitty1182]

I just pray poor Sandra was drugged first and didn't realize what was happening. :sad:


Dr. Wecht is talking about the rape now and how it can be determined if the injuries were before or after death, considering the decomposition that would take place before her body was found. He's also talking about out of control rage in order for a woman to use a foreign object. :crying:

I so hope she confesses.....
God be with Sandra's family.......:sad:

[cook4andy]

I just pray poor Sandra was drugged first and didn't realize what was happening. :sad:


Dr. Wecht is talking about the rape now and how it can be determined if the injuries were before or after death, considering the decomposition that would take place before her body was found. He's also talking about out of control rage in order for a woman to use a foreign object. :crying:

Rage? I call it sick. It brings me to tears just thinking about it.

I'm with you Sunstar, I pray Sandra was drugged and didn't know what was going on.

[~jomomma~]

is Melissa the only one we heard from that said Sandra went to her house to play with her daughter?

that just hit me, listening to Jeanine talk on LKL

[ginky41]

Pat Brown is saying if MH wanted to stage a sex crime to make it look like a predator did it, she wouldn't have put Sandra in the suitcase and put it in the water where she probably believed it wouldn't be found. A (male) SO would've put her by the side of the road, naked, in her opinion. So she's saying this isn't a staged sex crime.

Interesting. Unfortunately, MH doesn't fit the typical mold so I'm curious if the other generalizations would apply to her. :confused:

Even if Sandra's death was an accident, the rest of the charges/intent were NOT. I just don't understand....

[aproudmom]

Pat Brown is saying if MH wanted to stage a sex crime to make it look like a predator did it, she wouldn't have put Sandra in the suitcase and put it in the water where she probably believed it wouldn't be found. A (male) SO would've put her by the side of the road, naked, in her opinion. So she's saying this isn't a staged sex crime.

Just saw her on LK is that were you heard it..

[oodi]

I've been lurking here since I got home from my trip last week.. I couldn't follow the boards here while I was gone because I had very little internet access.. But since being home, I've followed this case close because it's "local" to me and I have friends and family down there in Tracy.


I used to have an aunt and uncle that lived in Tracy, but no family left there any more. Now I go to Tracy when I can, cuz that's where the nearest Famous Dave's BBQ is, and it's worth the 40 mile drive. LOL

I'm headed south to Fresno at the end of the week, and won't have internet access, so I'm sure I'll have some catching up to do when I get back.

[bama__angel]

I just pray poor Sandra was drugged first and didn't realize what was happening. :sad:


Dr. Wecht is talking about the rape now and how it can be determined if the injuries were before or after death, considering the decomposition that would take place before her body was found. He's also talking about out of control rage in order for a woman to use a foreign object. :crying:


I think what he is saying is what haunts so ........I pray to God that Sandra was dead when MH did this to her because I dont think her mama would be able to live with knowing Sandra was alive when the rape happened.......knowing that rage and the terror that Sandra was feeling.......I dont think I could live knowing that.....IMO

[sunstar]

Rage? I call it sick. It brings me to tears just thinking about it.

I'm with you Sunstar, I pray Sandra was drugged and didn't know what was going on.

I think he said that, for lack of any other explanation. Maybe he can't figure it out any more than we can. And for me, it's better than insanity because I want her to get the maximum punishment and not get off and sent to a mental hospital. MOO

[KittyMom]

hmmm...has any adult friend of MLH's talked about her? Where are the friends that are her age? Did they see her interact with her daughter away from the grandparents?

[lune3]

her mouth got her in trouble. But you can be a "coder" and not a smart one LOL you can be a great "coder" and a dumb criminal too.

she learned to "code" somewhere. Either someone taught her or she read a lot about sk's. Being in that area she is in and knowing how to Code, or the basics of it, she is around someone. Or she has been on crime boards watching this stuff.

What are "sks"?

[kitty1182]

I think he said that, for lack of any other explanation. Maybe he can't figure it out any more than we can. And for me, it's better than insanity because I want her to get the maximum punishment and not get off and sent to a mental hospital. MOO

I hate the insanity stuff..She had sense enough to drive a car, must not be to insane.....:cursing:

[cook4andy]

I think he said that, for lack of any other explanation. Maybe he can't figure it out any more than we can. And for me, it's better than insanity because I want her to get the maximum punishment and not get off and sent to a mental hospital. MOO


Bolded mine, ITA!!

[Anakerie]

I think what he is saying is what haunts so ........I pray to God that Sandra was dead when MH did this to her because I dont think her mama would be able to live with knowing Sandra was alive when the rape happened.......knowing that rage and the terror that Sandra was feeling.......I dont think I could live knowing that.....IMO

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

[KittyMom]

What are "sks"?

serial killers? :shrug:

[kitty1182]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

Don't know, I hope so though...

[aproudmom]

is Melissa the only one we heard from that said Sandra went to her house to play with her daughter?

that just hit me, listening to Jeanine talk on LKL

as far as I know cause the family said they could not confirm she made it to the other friends house..they knew she had played with Kassandra

[bama__angel]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...



I truly do not know that.....Maybe rape was the wrong term for me to use in relation to the subject of my post......If I offended anyone....I am sorry......

[sunstar]

I hate the insanity stuff..She had sense enough to drive a car, must not be to insane.....:cursing:

As a general rule, don't most juries reject insanity defense? Even her own family is in disbelief because this is "so unlike her" or words to that effect, like she never could've done it. So by those words, they don't seem to think she's insane. MOO

[ginky41]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

I think it is, yes. If you listen to the arraignment when the judge reads the 3rd special circumstances he lists "during" or "immediately after" or something along those lines. Sorry, that doesn't make a lot of sense but I just can't type the words. Go back and listen to him read the 3rd circumstance... :crying:

[lune3]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

I'm not sure. I do know it's necrophilia. The fact they used the word rape...I'm very afraid that they know she was alive. Also, since it appears this was done in a small time frame, I fear poor Sandra was not drugged.

[ginky41]

As a general rule, don't most juries reject insanity defense? Even her own family is in disbelief because this is "so unlike her" or words to that effect, like she never could've done it. So by those words, they don't seem to think she's insane. MOO

Maybe that's a good reason for her family to keep on talking. It would be hard to put an insanity defense together if there's nothing to back it up....especially from those who knew her best. IMO.

[sunstar]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

I think that would be desecration of a corpse, or another term that was used here last night which I can't remember off hand. MOO

[GentleBreeze]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

If the victim is deceased then that would be necrophilia. A person must be alive for a rape to occur.

imoo

[Anakerie]

I truly do not know that.....Maybe rape was the wrong term for me to use in relation to the subject of my post......If I offended anyone....I am sorry......
I'm sorry bama! My post wasn't aimed at you! Your post just made the question pop up in my head!

[sunstar]

Maybe that's a good reason for her family to keep on talking. It would be hard to put an insanity defense together if there's nothing to back it up....especially from those who knew her best. IMO.

Yes, thinking about those comments, maybe they should. At first it just seemed so much like the Anthonys talking about the "good mother" Casey, but now that a possible insanity defense is in the picture, I change my mind. :smile: MOO

[meadowlark]

What are "sks"?


sorry, serial killers. Use to saying "sk".

[Anakerie]

I think it is, yes. If you listen to the arraignment when the judge reads the 3rd special circumstances he lists "during" or "immediately after" or something along those lines. Sorry, that doesn't make a lot of sense but I just can't type the words. Go back and listen to him read the 3rd circumstance... :crying:
Will do, thank you...

[GentleBreeze]

I'm not sure. I do know it's necrophilia. The fact they used the word rape...I'm very afraid that they know she was alive. Also, since it appears this was done in a small time frame, I fear poor Sandra was not drugged.

That is true and a ME or Pathologist has ways of determining if it happened before or after death.

imo

[oodi]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

I don't know for sure, but I think it becomes abuse of a corpse or necrophilia or something like that. I can't remember exactly how it's worded.

[aproudmom]

I have a question for anyone in the "know"... Is it still considered "rape" if the penetration is done after the victim is deceased? Ugh.. I hate the thought of what MH did to that poor innocent child...

don't know good question..I hate to say it but if this was done I think she was alive and could have been the one with internal bleeding..ugh hate to think of it..I have also wondered if in fact she did this and she had that luggage and it was not full of stuff to spruce up the church could it be premeditated murder?if she did take the luggage knowing just what she was going to do with it..I would like to know if her GM saw Sandra that day and if she left between those hours..I really think it happened somewhere in that church not the home...jmo

[Riverwalk!]

don't know good question..I hate to say it but if this was done I think she was alive and could have been the one with internal bleeding..ugh hate to think of it..I have also wondered if in fact she did this and she had that luggage and it was not full of stuff to spruce up the church could it be premeditated murder?if she did take the luggage knowing just what she was going to do with it..I would like to know if her GM saw Sandra that day and if she left between those hours..I really think it happened somewhere in that church not the home...jmo

Her grandmother said she was gone 1 hour. The link is on the links thread.

[sunstar]

I don't know for sure, but I think it becomes abuse of a corpse or necrophilia or something like that. I can't remember exactly how it's worded.


That's the word I was trying to think of ~ necrophilia. thanks!

[meadowlark]

don't know good question..I hate to say it but if this was done I think she was alive and could have been the one with internal bleeding..ugh hate to think of it..I have also wondered if in fact she did this and she had that luggage and it was not full of stuff to spruce up the church could it be premeditated murder?if she did take the luggage knowing just what she was going to do with it..I would like to know if her GM saw Sandra that day and if she left between those hours..I really think it happened somewhere in that church not the home...jmo


and "spruce up" the church "for what"? What kind of "sprucing up", backdrops etc? or "covering up" the walls etc?

hard to say what is meant by "spruce up". something I need to think about

spruce up, top of a spruce tree

spruce stick, branch

top branch

[Keegan]

Hello, Keegan, glad to see you again! Well, actually, unconditional love means that NO MATTER WHAT THE PERSON DOES, the love is still there. That certainly does NOT mean that the "person" approves what the other does. That is the def of unconditional.

What I was trying to say in my post is that the parents love for their daughter was not "unusual".

I was commenting on the fact that the poster found the family's comments about their daughter was "disgusting". The poster said she was "tired" of people portraying a defendant is good light.

Well, she'd better get used to it. Defendants have families, too.

Sorry CJ. We are going to disagree here. If I had a child that hurt another in school I wouldn't be telling the school personal about the wonders of my child. I would be talking taking him or her by the ear and letting them know it was wrong. These parents that want to defend their kin that have done such horrors are responsible too. They are responsible for playing into sick behavior and pushing it under the carpet.

No, I would not be reporting to the press the wonders of my child. I might ask for prayers and forgiveness for him or her. But excuses? Save it.

[Riverwalk!]

and "spruce up" the church "for what"? What kind of "sprucing up", backdrops etc? or "covering up" the walls etc?

hard to say what is meant by "spruce up". something I need to think about

Easter.....

[jammies]

Easter.....


Exactly. Simple.

[baywench]

I am so outraged at this point, that I really don't know what to say........ What that poor child must have went through just makes me see red.... imo there is NO DEFENSE for this monster.... I don't care how mentally ill she or others claim her to be..... give her the needle and be done with this sick sadistic pos....... amho

ITA...Bravo. How come they are never mentally ill or sick enough to NOT hide the bodies? No defense. None. jmo

[ginky41]

ITA...Bravo. How come they are never mentally ill or sick enough to NOT hide the bodies? No defense. None. jmo


Good point. I've seen no indication thus far supporting insanity. Sounds like a few doctors have also agreed.

[lune3]

Sorry CJ. We are going to disagree here. If I had a child that hurt another in school I wouldn't be telling the school personal about the wonders of my child. I would be talking taking him or her by the ear and letting them know it was wrong. These parents that want to defend their kin that have done such horrors are responsible too. They are responsible for playing into sick behavior and pushing it under the carpet.

No, I would not be reporting to the press the wonders of my child. I might ask for prayers and forgiveness for him or her. But excuses? Save it.

Melissa's family may be thinking about this differently now, since they realize the charges appear serious and true. I think they were in genuine shock and hadn't had time to digest things. Who wouldn't be in disbelief their own child could do such a thing? I don't fault them for saying those things in the short time after the arrest. I feel for them. It's a horrible thing to deal with.

[sunstar]

I totally disagree with you here. If I were accused of a crime, my Daddy would be outside the Courthouse daily, and commenting to any who would listen his love for me. If my Sister was accused of a crime, I would be a hell-on-wheels to tell everyone who would listen, how much I love her. I would defend my sacred family until my last breath.

My guess is that you, sunstar, do not have anyone in your life that you loves deeply, without reservations.

I feel sorry for you. What you see as "sneaky", I see as a person who has the deepest love wrenched to the core, incomprehensible and grasping upon the only fragments available: love, memories and unconditional love.

Your post is very sorry, indeed.

Actually I do have a very loving family.

You may ignore my posts if you find them so "sorry". MOO

[ginky41]

IMO MH is guilty. . . even if Sandra's death was an accident the rest of the charges against her cannot physically be an accident - no way, no how.

[lune3]

ITA...Bravo. How come they are never mentally ill or sick enough to NOT hide the bodies? No defense. None. jmo

I agree. Look at that guy on the bus in Canada who attacked and decapitated his seatmate who he didn't even know, ...guy went completely berserk with a busload of terrified witnesses. He was insane.

[oodi]

Melissa's family may be thinking about this differently now, since they realize the charges appear serious and true. I think they were in genuine shock and hadn't had time to digest things. Who wouldn't be in disbelief their own child could do such a thing? I don't fault them for saying those things in the short time after the arrest. I feel for them. It's a horrible thing to deal with.

Yeah... I'm not sure any of us could say with any certainty what we would or wouldn't do unless/until it was our child or family member that was accused of molesting and murdering a child. I'm sure they are shocked, and I'm also sure there is some denial. I don't think it would be easy for anyone to accept the fact that their child had committed a crime such as this.

[ginky41]

I think it was premeditated from start to finish just as she's been charged with and I believe the evidence will show it.


I agree Adalena. I hope whatever they have against her is black-and-white.

[psbperu]

Maybe I need a new monitor but I did not see Melissa Huckaby cry. I saw no tear(s) running down her face. I saw her scrunched up face as if she was going to cry.
I saw 7 LE personnel in her immediate area. [JMO * Themis]



I didn't see any either...but so many did that I just thought it was due to poor resolution of the video I was watching.

She didn't look remorseful to me..JMHO

[lune3]

http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.2.983230.html

Police: Sandra Cantu Murdered Inside Church

Though the article says 'Police believe she was murdered in the church..."
She must have been though. It didn't happen at home as Grandma was there. And LE is so focused on the church and its evidence, I don't see any other location.

[Ice Cycle]

I can only say I ask the same thing about her age and hair coloring..I was told a lot of girls do that in CA or if they are Hispanic..for one my hairdresser would never color a 7yr old child's hair it damages the hair with the chemicals and is not safe at that age...that is just me saying what I was told by some..and the dangle earrings are common also in Hispanic girls..do not ask me new one for me..just what some did say early on..


I just got back on and trying to read up a few pages and wanted to comment on this. My Daughter who had medium to light brown hair at a younger age, her hair would usually turn blond in the summer and especially at a younger age and though she was out alot not really any more than any other child on the block and sometimes it would go real blond and stay that way though most of the winter. Plus there are pictures that sometimes make her hair look darker than what is was, school pictures sometimes are like that. Same with me and other family members on occasion pictures make the hair look darker than what it is, I think the lighting affects it.
I doubt if Sandra's hair was being dyed or bleached.

[ginky41]

I didn't see any either...but so many did that I just thought it was due to poor resolution of the video I was watching.

She didn't look remorseful to me..JMHO

I didn't see the tears on my pc monitor but I did on my husband's big flat screen during Nancy Grace. Not that it matters one iota.

[aproudmom]

I don't know for sure, but I think it becomes abuse of a corpse or necrophilia or something like that. I can't remember exactly how it's worded.

I just tried to find it on here but you may be right.those were the words I was looking for..looks as if she may have talked today to me these new searches..accident..okey dokey

Is this the church??
http://www.kcra.com/image/19181300/detail.html

[sunstar]

I didn't see the tears on my pc monitor but I did on my husband's big flat screen during Nancy Grace. Not that it matters one iota.

I noticed a few too, but who knows if she's really remorseful or just ashamed she got caught and feeling sorry for herself. MOO

[meadowlark]

Exactly. Simple.

yes, that seems to be the most likely "simple" thing, but Melissa is NOT SIMPLE thinking. She thinks in a "bizarre" way. She had scrapbooking materials it is said. scrap book. she had a huge suitcase full of scrapbook stuff to spruce up a church for Easter?

what is her scrapbook or in her scrapbook. or what book is she scrapping.

[Anakerie]

I didn't see the tears on my pc monitor but I did on my husband's big flat screen during Nancy Grace. Not that it matters one iota.
I saw the tears on my TV, but not on my laptop screen.. It must have something to do with the resolutions or something. It matters not whether or not she was crying. I'm sure she was only crying for herself because she's been caught and knows she will pay for what she did.

[aproudmom]

I didn't see the tears on my pc monitor but I did on my husband's big flat screen during Nancy Grace. Not that it matters one iota.

I saw a few but to me it could be it really hit her what she had against her and the new charges..kinda like crying for herself.

[Anakerie]

I just tried to find it on here but you may be right.those were the words I was looking for..looks as if she may have talked today to me these new searches..accident..okey dokey

Is this the church??
http://www.kcra.com/image/19181300/detail.html
Yes, that is the church....

[aproudmom]

I just got back on and trying to read up a few pages and wanted to comment on this. My Daughter who had medium to light brown hair at a younger age, her hair would usually turn blond in the summer and especially at a younger age and though she was out alot not really any more than any other child on the block and sometimes it would go real blond and stay that way though most of the winter. Plus there are pictures that sometimes make her hair look darker than what is was, school pictures sometimes are like that. Same with me and other family members on occasion pictures make the hair look darker than what it is, I think the lighting affects it.
I doubt if Sandra's hair was being dyed or bleached.

No way that is way to much lighter sorry I disagree..and it is not summer when she is out playing in a pool nah don't think so.my kids hair lighten also in the summer but have you not seen just how dark her hair was...jmo

[aproudmom]

Yes, that is the church....

thanks alot thought so ..that was todays seach

[~jomomma~]

I just got back on and trying to read up a few pages and wanted to comment on this. My Daughter who had medium to light brown hair at a younger age, her hair would usually turn blond in the summer and especially at a younger age and though she was out alot not really any more than any other child on the block and sometimes it would go real blond and stay that way though most of the winter. Plus there are pictures that sometimes make her hair look darker than what is was, school pictures sometimes are like that. Same with me and other family members on occasion pictures make the hair look darker than what it is, I think the lighting affects it.
I doubt if Sandra's hair was being dyed or bleached.

i'm thinking that pic of Sandra with the darker hair is a little older pic.
her face looks younger to me.

[sunstar]

She started crying when the judge talked about the charges, but she cried the MOST at mention of HER OWN NAME. I think she's shocked and totally saddened at finding herself caught finally. She's been doing this for a long time I believe.

I too don't think Sandra was her first victim. Maybe the first one who was killed, but I doubt the first one who was molested. MOO

[oodi]

I just tried to find it on here but you may be right.those were the words I was looking for..looks as if she may have talked today to me these new searches..accident..okey dokey

Is this the church??
http://www.kcra.com/image/19181300/detail.html

Yes... that's the church. I have to wonder what else they were looking for at the church today, especially if it was open to the congregation on Sunday. There must be something that LE thought/hoped would not have been compromised by the presence of others in the building.

If you download and install Microsoft Virtual Earth, and do a search for the street in Tracy, CA it will give you a good idea of the proximity of the church to the mobilehome park. Virtual Earth also shows street names, which Google Earth doesn't. Although I often use both, as sometimes the zoom-in pics are more clear on one than the other.

[aproudmom]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scsandra-flier-597.jpg

No way her hair turned that much in March no pools open not super hot out even though in CA sorry no one can tell me her hair has not been lightened..I have kids also and am aware hair lightens but no way she has has had her hair lightened..not a big deal not going to argue over it just giving my opinion...jmo

[titanfan217]

Easter.....

Seems that would have been a little early for Easter (2 weeks).

I don't know about the Baptist Church, but that Sunday (the 29th) in the Lutheran Church where I was focused on Lent.

[Anakerie]

Yes... that's the church. I have to wonder what else they were looking for at the church today, especially if it was open to the congregation on Sunday. There must be something that LE thought/hoped would not have been compromised by the presence of others in the building.

If you download and install Microsoft Virtual Earth, and do a search for the street in Tracy, CA it will give you a good idea of the proximity of the church to the mobilehome park. Virtual Earth also shows street names, which Google Earth doesn't. Although I often use both, as sometimes the zoom-in pics are more clear on one than the other.
Whatever it was that they took from the church today, the items were small enough or flat enough to fit in what looked like manilla envelopes. The envelopes that the woman carried from the church and put in the trunk of the car didn't look "fat" or "overstuffed"... Paper samples or something like that, perhaps?

[oodi]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/?action=view&current=scsandra-flier-597.jpg

No way her hair turned that much in March no pools open not super hot out even though in CA sorry no one can tell me her hair has not been lightened..I have kids also and am aware hair lightens but no way she has has had her hair lightened..not a big deal not going to argue over it just giving my opinion...jmo

It would be interesting to know how much earlier the "Earlier Picture" was. If her hair was lightened, they must have lightened her eyebrows too.

[oodi]

Whatever it was that they took from the church today, the items were small enough or flat enough to fit in what looked like manilla envelopes. The envelopes that the woman carried from the church and put in the trunk of the car didn't look "fat" or "overstuffed"... Paper samples or something like that, perhaps?

Good point! I hadn't thought of paper, etc. I was thinking more along the lines of biological evidence, swabs, etc., that could be more easily compromised.

[sunstar]

It would be interesting to know how much earlier the "Earlier Picture" was. If her hair was lightened, they must have lightened her eyebrows too.

Maybe someone in her family went to the salon and she wanted the same thing done too. :smile: She was a beautiful little girl, in both the older and newer pictures.

[aproudmom]

Yes... that's the church. I have to wonder what else they were looking for at the church today, especially if it was open to the congregation on Sunday. There must be something that LE thought/hoped would not have been compromised by the presence of others in the building.

If you download and install Microsoft Virtual Earth, and do a search for the street in Tracy, CA it will give you a good idea of the proximity of the church to the mobilehome park. Virtual Earth also shows street names, which Google Earth doesn't. Although I often use both, as sometimes the zoom-in pics are more clear on one than the other.

not sure oodi
you think she broke more today? I had seen the church many times just not from that angle..and it looked to have a camper in the lot so that threw me off...

[oodi]

It's impossible to know without actually knowing. My grandaughter is Mexican with black hair and it turns blonde on the top layer & especially the ends with very little sun.

One school teacher from Los Angeles area was on here and she said it's not unusual for Mexican girls in CA.

I'm a California native. Never lived anyplace else. I've never seen it. So no, it's not a California-thing. There's 40 million people in the state.

Sandra's Mother has older adult children. Maybe one of them did it, who knows? California is full of Mexican and Latinos. Some from all over the world migrate here. I have never seen them put bleach on their child's hair. I have several cousins career teachers in Southern California. They've never seen it either. I was just with them since this happened and they told me they never saw it in any of their students.

I'm not saying the other poster is telling things out of turn. Maybe she does have students who's families engage in the practice of dying their kid's hair. But to say it's statewide is not so.

That would be like saying all parents from New York to the Florida Keys bleach their children's hair - because one did.

If there is any Spanish heritage, Spaniards are known for having blonde hair.