Nicholas Francisco, Missing Since 2-13-08

[MystryPhobia]

Likewise sweetness. You haven't conversed anything. All you've done is blast me for having a HUNCH. Open your mind if you truly want to investigate this case. By shutting out any possibility that Nick may not be the father of the last child, you could also be shutting out one of the largest clues to his disappearance. This was part of my job for 14 years in LE, I know what I am talking about. If you don't like it, too bad. We can't all like everything but it also does not make me a hater or any of the other assorted words you have used to describe what you think you know of me.

Yeah.. alright. Your "unpaid" job in LE makes you an expert.. okay!

[CaresForKids]

Yeah.. alright. Your "unpaid" job in LE makes you an expert.. okay!

Yes, it does. Just because I was unpaid does not mean I was uneducated in the field. I took the job because it was something I was good at and enjoyed and truly cared about...unlike your flunkies at the KCSO who wouldn't know which way is up when they keep looking down.

And your expertise comes from?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?? :laugh:

[MystryPhobia]

Yes, it does. Just because I was unpaid does not mean I was uneducated in the field. I took the job because it was something I was good at and enjoyed and truly cared about...unlike your flunkies at the KCSO who wouldn't know which way is up when they keep looking down.

And your expertise comes from?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?? :laugh:

I have a degree... in accounting... but then, I never claimed to have any expertise.. did I?

[CaresForKids]

I have a degree... in accounting... but then, I never claimed to have any expertise.. did I?

Nope and it shows.

Now do you suppose you can get on with the real subject at hand here? Nick is still missing in case you've forgotten.

[MystryPhobia]

Yes, it does. Just because I was unpaid does not mean I was uneducated in the field. I took the job because it was something I was good at and enjoyed and truly cared about...unlike your flunkies at the KCSO who wouldn't know which way is up when they keep looking down.

And your expertise comes from?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?? :laugh:

BTW I live in Snohomish County.. not King.. but I still support them! I think they know better than we do.

[CaresForKids]

BTW I live in Snohomish County.. not King.. but I still support them! I think they know better than we do.

Obviously not much or they'd have found him by now.

[MystryPhobia]

Nope and it shows.

Now do you suppose you can get on with the real subject at hand here? Nick is still missing in case you've forgotten.
I guess only time will tell, huh?

We will have to finish the conversation about your 'hunch' then!

I thought the subject was how much of the devil Christine was? I am confused.. since when in the last weeks has this thread been about Nicholas?

Have you been reading over at YH lately?
Have you been using all of that LE background to run searches for Nicholas?
You live closer to San Diego than anyone else on here.. I think.. what have you found to disprove that claim? Have you tried?
You claim to have a "daughter" in Kent WA. What does this person have to do with Nicholas? Why is this never mentioned on the board.. that you have such a close connection to where he went missing??

Perhaps you know alot more about him then any of us have given you credit for.

[Cheri_G]

I guess only time will tell, huh?

We will have to finish the conversation about your 'hunch' then!

I thought the subject was how much of the devil Christine was? I am confused.. since when in the last weeks has this thread been about Nicholas?

Have you been reading over at YH lately?
Have you been using all of that LE background to run searches for Nicholas?
You live closer to San Diego than anyone else on here.. I think.. what have you found to disprove that claim? Have you tried?
You claim to have a "daughter" in Kent WA. What does this person have to do with Nicholas? Why is this never mentioned on the board.. that you have such a close connection to where he went missing??

Perhaps you know alot more about him then any of us have given you credit for.

I don't recall anyone ever referring to Christine as the devil.

Christine has earned the distrust and suspicion by her own words and actions. She is not being treated any differently than any other spouse who as acted similarly.

I believe earlier you posted that you leave your emotions out of it when you discuss this case, but your defense of CF anytime somebody questions a statement or action of hers and now making an unfounded accusation against another poster and her daughter demonstrates (to me anyways) that your emotions are in play here.

[inv]

Well, what do you know?

Christine Ann Francisco married Brent Jonothan Carter. They received their marriage license in Kitsap County on April 15th of this year.

Just go here:
http://kcwaimg.co.kitsap.wa.us/recorder/web/login.jsp

Press 'public login'.

Scroll down to the box where you see 'both names'.

In the 'Grantor/Grantee' box, type 'carter brent'.

Then click 'search' at the bottom of the page.

[CaresForKids]

I guess only time will tell, huh?

We will have to finish the conversation about your 'hunch' then!

I thought the subject was how much of the devil Christine was? I am confused.. since when in the last weeks has this thread been about Nicholas?

Have you been reading over at YH lately?
Have you been using all of that LE background to run searches for Nicholas?
You live closer to San Diego than anyone else on here.. I think.. what have you found to disprove that claim? Have you tried?
You claim to have a "daughter" in Kent WA. What does this person have to do with Nicholas? Why is this never mentioned on the board.. that you have such a close connection to where he went missing??

Perhaps you know alot more about him then any of us have given you credit for.

When you have something sensible to ask, I will answer. At this point, I think you just need to put the bottle down and go to bed.

[MystryPhobia]

I don't recall anyone ever referring to Christine as the devil.

Christine has earned the distrust and suspicion by her own words and actions. She is not being treated any differently than any other spouse who as acted similarly.

I believe earlier you posted that you leave your emotions out of it when you discuss this case, but your defense of CF anytime somebody questions a statement or action of hers and now making an unfounded accusation against another poster and her daughter demonstrates (to me anyways) that your emotions are in play here.
I am not making any unfounded accusation. I asked a question. I don't need to be scolded by you, Cheri. They are legitimate questions. We have a missing person here, remember? I think I have just reason to ask such questions. I am not accusing but the coincidences are interesting.. you have to admit..

She has come on here and claimed to have spoken to Nicholas. That he gave her his permission to call him "Nick"... when his etsy site was very new before he went missing.. so, she is claiming to have contact with him very close to the time that he went missing.

She has come on here and claimed that she was in a chat room with Christine.. where she saw her make disparaging remarks about Nicholas.

She talks of "hunches" that she has about this or that.

Claims to have left messages on sites that the rest of us have never seen.

Claims to have emails from the detective but refuses to share them.

It says on her etsy site that her daughter also has an etsy site.. if you go there.. her daughter is located in Kent, WA. Kent is the city that Nicholas supposedly met with people in. It is also the next city to the east of Seatac. Nothing of this daughter or her affiliation to this area has ever been talked about that I can find.

Wouldn't anyone ask these questions!

I am not accusing you of anything CaresForKids.. but you have to admit that when it is put all together... a case could be made that you might know Nicholas better than you have told us.

No offense intended but if she has nothing to hide then there will be a innocent answer to all of it and we can then move forward. It just has the sleuth in me.. wondering.

[MystryPhobia]

Well, what do you know?

Christine Ann Francisco married Brent Jonothan Carter. They received their marriage license in Kitsap County on April 15th of this year.

Just go here:
http://kcwaimg.co.kitsap.wa.us/recorder/web/login.jsp

Press 'public login'.

Scroll down to the box where you see 'both names'.

In the 'Grantor/Grantee' box, type 'carter brent'.

Then click 'search' at the bottom of the page.


We have been looking for that for weeks now.. everywhere but Kitsap County.. hmmm Thanks

[MystryPhobia]

When you have something sensible to ask, I will answer. At this point, I think you just need to put the bottle down and go to bed.


This is exactly the problem! Why not just answer the questions. I have something sensible to ask and I have asked it. Please tell me that there is a good reason for the discrepencies in your story and a reason for your lack of being forthright.

[inv]

This is exactly the problem! Why not just answer the questions. I have something sensible to ask and I have asked it. Please tell me that there is a good reason for the discrepencies in your story and a reason for your lack of being forthright.

Mystry, I have been asking the same questions of a different poster for a year now. LE contacted them through a PM here, and that's as far as it went. The poster was banned, but came back with the same username, minus an underscore. I feel very strongly that this poster is closely connected to this case. Everytime we go into the subject of Christine Francisco, the poster shows up attempting to deflect our attention to why NF must be such a bad person and must have bailed out on CF.

I contacted King County officials again yesterday informing them that the poster is now back with a different username. I hope they will check him/her out a little more thoroughly this time around.

Everytime a new post appears in an NF thread, the poster I am speaking of lurks for hours without making any post at all. If I go to their profile, it shows that the poster is viewing the NF thread every time.

:confused:

[MystryPhobia]

Mystry, I have been asking the same questions of a different poster for a year now. LE contacted them through a PM here, and that's as far as it went. The poster was banned, but came back with the same username, minus an underscore. I feel very strongly that this poster is closely connected to this case. Everytime we go into the subject of Christine Francisco, the poster shows up attempting to deflect our attention to why NF must be such a bad person and must have bailed out on CF.

I contacted King County officials again yesterday informing them that the poster is now back with a different username. I hope they will check him/her out a little more thoroughly this time around.

Everytime a new post appears in an NF thread, the poster I am speaking of lurks for hours without making any post at all. If I go to their profile, it shows that the poster is viewing the NF thread every time.

:confused:

Well.. honestly you could say the same about me. I stick up for Christine too.. been accused of being her a few times.

I know the poster that you are talking about and if I remember correctly.. LE contacted her because they too, were curious about her connection with Nicholas.. and they based this on the fact that she was talking of places that they knew that Nicholas had frequented. You may have given them this information but Christine also read it and told them about it. They checked the poster out and I guess they were satisfied that she didn't know anything. The truth was.. the only reason she started talking about it was because of something that someone posted on Cheri's site.. which made her WONDER about whether Nicholas could have been into that lifestyle. She didn't know for sure.

See.. this is exactly what I am talking about.. an innocent response to something that may have looked different in a different context.

I think that, for me anyway, it isn't so much about sticking up for Christine. I just think that everything should be kept in perspective and sometimes that gets lost on this board because some seem to have such strong feelings for Christine. There needs to be a balance... and since I kinda lean towards Nicholas walking away more than him being murdered.. it is easy for me to give the other point of view.

[SilverDove]

Mystry, I have been asking the same questions of a different poster for a year now. LE contacted them through a PM here, and that's as far as it went. The poster was banned, but came back with the same username, minus an underscore. I feel very strongly that this poster is closely connected to this case. Everytime we go into the subject of Christine Francisco, the poster shows up attempting to deflect our attention to why NF must be such a bad person and must have bailed out on CF.

I contacted King County officials again yesterday informing them that the poster is now back with a different username. I hope they will check him/her out a little more thoroughly this time around.

Everytime a new post appears in an NF thread, the poster I am speaking of lurks for hours without making any post at all. If I go to their profile, it shows that the poster is viewing the NF thread every time.

:confused:

Didn't we go though this song and dance before? What is it I have done to you? Ever heard of tab browsing? You can have multiple sites open in one browser and still go on with what ever else you are doing. Only case I happen to have been that interested in was Nicholas Francisco and after what I have seen here I haven't really developed a taste for getting involve in any other ones.

Why this one because it is the first one that off the top of my head I didn't have a fair idea of what happened and it went on in the city I live in within areas where I move around regularly. I like to make sure that isn't something to be worried about in the areas I'm in.

I lived through the Ted Bundy period. At the time I perfectly fit the profile. Made me keep track of where I was much more carefully. Green River killer was another but there I didn't fit the profile so was less of a worry. This I figured in this case it was a guy but still why could have been important to my security in the city.

I'm really not that worried about talking to the Sheriff's office but I really don't have anything to tell them that they don't already know. Hope they don't mind being sent on another one of your wild goose chases. If you want to send me the contact information I will be glad to get hold of them and let them know who I am but I not going to give it out to strangers.

[inv]

Didn't we go though this song and dance before? What is it I have done to you? Ever heard of tab browsing? You can have multiple sites open in one browser and still go on with what ever else you are doing. Only case I happen to have been that interested in was Nicholas Francisco and after what I have seen here I haven't really developed a taste for getting involve in any other ones.

Why this one because it is the first one that off the top of my head I didn't have a fair idea of what happened and it went on in the city I live in within areas where I move around regularly. I like to make sure that isn't something to be worried about in the areas I'm in.

I lived through the Ted Bundy period. At the time I perfectly fit the profile. Made me keep track of where I was much more carefully. Green River killer was another but there I didn't fit the profile so was less of a worry. This I figured in this case it was a guy but still why could have been important to my security in the city.

I'm really not that worried about talking to the Sheriff's office but I really don't have anything to tell them that they don't already know. Hope they don't mind being sent on another one of your wild goose chases. If you want to send me the contact information I will be glad to get hold of them and let them know who I am but I not going to give it out to strangers.

Cool SilverDove. :smile: Someone has to know what happened to Nicholas, unless he committed suicide. You would be surprised how many perps or witnesses visit crime boards who might know something about a case. Hopefully one day someone will find an NF thread and recognize something they've seen or know something, and do the right thing and report it.

[SeattleEddie]

I think we have an obligation to stand up for any victims whether missing or not. Those children are victims in this. Their dad is gone.. without a trace.

I also believe that we are capable of giving the missing person a voice. We have an obligation to tell their story. Whether we agree with it or not so that we can find out what happened to them. This is Nicholas' story. This was his life.

I understand the feeling about Christine and am not making excuses for what she has done. Yes... if she has lied about one thing then everything she has said comes into question. But.. only a few posters actually talk about this and lay out their reasonings for their feelings.. others will pick on every little thing.. to the point of having the opposite effect IMO.

As many of us know.. some of the most notorious killers had good sides to them. But.. when someone concedes nothing and just continually bashes on someone.. seems more personal than fact driven.

I agree the children are victims.

I don't agree that we have an obligation to tell a story about someone which has not been proven, and which is based on the word of someone who may not have his best interest at heart. It's irresponsible, and a disservice to the missing person. Even in a court of law, a person is presumed innocent. It's not up to us to convict the missing person of actions and behaviours based on hearsay. To me, the evidence of his sexual proclivities is flimsy at best. I find the accusations to be libelous. The obvious relish with which some posters have embraced the accusations is troublesome, and IMO reflects nothing other than psychological disturbances in the devotees.

I personally do not have any "feelings" about the wife. I don't know the woman and it would be impossible to describe my reaction to her observed behaviours and writings as having anything to do with emotions. I do have thoughts about her, opinions, judgements.

When feelings enter into the discussion it seems is when we go sideways; get our feeling hurt and feel indignant, etc. It's important to remember that when it comes to that point, then it's no longer about the missing person and his wife, but about us.

[SeattleEddie]

Well, what do you know?

Christine Ann Francisco married Brent Jonothan Carter. They received their marriage license in Kitsap County on April 15th of this year.

Just go here:
http://kcwaimg.co.kitsap.wa.us/recorder/web/login.jsp

Press 'public login'.

Scroll down to the box where you see 'both names'.

In the 'Grantor/Grantee' box, type 'carter brent'.

Then click 'search' at the bottom of the page.

Good find, INV.

[inv]

Good find, INV.

Thanks. If it hadn't been for CF herself, I never would have known to what to look for. She changed her JPG Magazine last name from Francisco to Carter. After some googling, I found the name Brent Carter. With some other poster's help, I found out that Brent's middle intial was J. So I found Brent's myspace account which showed what city he lives in. Using that info, I found Kitsap County's records and there it was.

:thumbsup:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Well, what do you know?

Christine Ann Francisco married Brent Jonothan Carter. They received their marriage license in Kitsap County on April 15th of this year.

Just go here:
http://kcwaimg.co.kitsap.wa.us/recorder/web/login.jsp

Press 'public login'.

Scroll down to the box where you see 'both names'.

In the 'Grantor/Grantee' box, type 'carter brent'.

Then click 'search' at the bottom of the page.

Actually I'm not surprised. If you remember, she listed herself as Single on her MySpace long before she was, so I felt something was up at that time. I actually feel sad about this for many reasons.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't need anything to prove your hunch. Your HUNCH is just what it is.. a hunch. Just leave the baby out of it!

We have information that Nicholas was! (don't bother with the typical response cause I have already heard them so I will spare your fingers)

No double standard, my dear.. if anything.. that would be some of the posters here... and IS what I have been trying to point out!

Your hunch is not proof. Unless you are stating that you are a some kind of clairvoyant. Then.. of course.. you need to state that so that we have that knowledge while reading your posts. Right now.. it seems like you just want to slam on Christine and put Nicholas on a pedalstal that he could never live up.. that none of us could live up to.

You would be hard pressed to find one post I have made about the baby since the beginning of this case, so I will only say this. Christine is the one that used that innocent baby as an excuse not to search for Nicholas when she was what - three weeks pregnant? She couldn't even ride along in a car with someone while they put out posters? She is the one that placed strategic posts on ETSY that garnered sympathy and money. So when you say leave the baby out of this - perhaps you should tell that to Christine. JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Thanks. If it hadn't been for CF herself, I never would have known to what to look for. She changed her JPG Magazine last name from Francisco to Carter. After some googling, I found the name Brent Carter. With some other poster's help, I found out that Brent's middle intial was J. So I found Brent's myspace account which showed what city he lives in. Using that info, I found Kitsap County's records and there it was.

:thumbsup:

I wonder if they will continue to live in the rent free house, or perhaps it was Brent's house she moved into last year? :confused:

[RainyNiteNTx]

I am not making any unfounded accusation. I asked a question. I don't need to be scolded by you, Cheri. They are legitimate questions. We have a missing person here, remember? I think I have just reason to ask such questions. I am not accusing but the coincidences are interesting.. you have to admit..

She has come on here and claimed to have spoken to Nicholas. That he gave her his permission to call him "Nick"... when his etsy site was very new before he went missing.. so, she is claiming to have contact with him very close to the time that he went missing.

She has come on here and claimed that she was in a chat room with Christine.. where she saw her make disparaging remarks about Nicholas.

She talks of "hunches" that she has about this or that.

Claims to have left messages on sites that the rest of us have never seen.

Claims to have emails from the detective but refuses to share them.

It says on her etsy site that her daughter also has an etsy site.. if you go there.. her daughter is located in Kent, WA. Kent is the city that Nicholas supposedly met with people in. It is also the next city to the east of Seatac. Nothing of this daughter or her affiliation to this area has ever been talked about that I can find.
Wouldn't anyone ask these questions!

I am not accusing you of anything CaresForKids.. but you have to admit that when it is put all together... a case could be made that you might know Nicholas better than you have told us.

No offense intended but if she has nothing to hide then there will be a innocent answer to all of it and we can then move forward. It just has the sleuth in me.. wondering.

(highlighted by me)
Am I correct that it is not okay to bring up Christine's child, but it is okay to drag Care's child into this?

[n/t]

Wow. Just wow.

A year later and she remarries? This just blows me away.

Nicholas I hope you're alive. :rose:

Good Luck to the new husband!

[huskiki]

http://userscripts.org/scripts/review/7981

Do any of you remember the nonoobs script? It's one thing we have not discussed very much regarding nicholas. How much did he like to "code" and make scripts, and notice the copyright? It's one of those little crumbs that has made me hope in this case he really was still alive, because he has effectively erased so much of his online content.

He didn't like those comments on youtube. Made a script, to block them.
Actually.

The last line of the code? Insight into someone's mind?

Remove Child next to the Parent Node. Now, I'm not a coder and I don't know if that would be normal part of a code....for parental controls or if he was just joking. I'm a fan of dry humor so I also see that.

I do remember this. This is normal coding. Good to reflect back upon though.

[n/t]

Someone remind me why this case should be treated any different than Drew Peterson's or Scott Peterson's or any others? Just because Christine is a woman? Is that it? Drew Peterson accused Stacy of having an affair and running off too. He's still a POI in her disappearance. Why isn't Christine? Is it because she was pregnant with 2 kids at the time? Was LE blindsided by that fact and assumed she couldn't have been involved and perhaps overlooked some possible evidence or have they even looked at any evidence?

Well, we know it was a big shock to most of us when Sandra Cantu's suspected murderer turned out to be a female. All the experts continue to question why a woman would murder a child.

Nothing surprises me anymore and hope and pray LE will reopen Nicholas' case. I find her quick divorce & remarriage very very suspicious.

Nicholas Francisco is still missing. He needs to be found.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Someone remind me why this case should be treated any different than Drew Peterson's or Scott Peterson's or any others? Just because Christine is a woman? Is that it? Drew Peterson accused Stacy of having an affair and running off too. He's still a POI in her disappearance. Why isn't Christine? Is it because she was pregnant with 2 kids at the time? Was LE blindsided by that fact and assumed she couldn't have been involved and perhaps overlooked some possible evidence or have they even looked at any evidence?

Well, we know it was a big shock to most of us when Sandra Cantu's suspected murderer turned out to be a female. All the experts continue to question why a woman would murder a child.

Nothing surprises me anymore and hope and pray LE will reopen Nicholas' case. I find her quick divorce & remarriage very very suspicious.

Nicholas Francisco is still missing. He needs to be found.

I don't know what is going on in that county or that police department or that sheriff's office or wherever it should be investigated.

I'm so disgusted with all of this. If it were any man anywhere who did the exact same things CF has done, LE would be all over it.

[Shelby1]

Well, what do you know?

Christine Ann Francisco married Brent Jonothan Carter. They received their marriage license in Kitsap County on April 15th of this year.

Just go here:
http://kcwaimg.co.kitsap.wa.us/recorder/web/login.jsp

Press 'public login'.

Scroll down to the box where you see 'both names'.

In the 'Grantor/Grantee' box, type 'carter brent'.

Then click 'search' at the bottom of the page.

Excellent catch, Inv.

We all knew it was coming....I'm definitely not shocked...

Wow, what a whirlwind year she's had :ohmy:

[Shelby1]

And, I agree. If Christine was a male, she'd be strung up by now. Why is there SUCH a different standard for her???

[MystryPhobia]

You would be hard pressed to find one post I have made about the baby since the beginning of this case, so I will only say this. Christine is the one that used that innocent baby as an excuse not to search for Nicholas when she was what - three weeks pregnant? She couldn't even ride along in a car with someone while they put out posters? She is the one that placed strategic posts on ETSY that garnered sympathy and money. So when you say leave the baby out of this - perhaps you should tell that to Christine. JMOSaying that you are pregnant.. is a little different than claiming he is an illigitimate child that was conceived while she was married to another man.

[MystryPhobia]

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&crt_itl_nu=S17&casenumber=08-3-03946-7&searchtype=sName&token=0AACD795B5DA5C5EBCFDD07DDFAEED0E&dt=2471C4FEB85C5C8D114EE879055D1CC8

Forgot to add the link. I'm off, I guess I am confused because we all know that DP cannot divorce Stacy because she is MISSING and although state laws are different there must be something the public and LE has missed in this case. Either WA state allows you to divorce exparte in absentia or NF was located and served. Have a good weekend.

I still disagree, children of divorce are not usually referred to as "victims" or we would have everyone running around saying MY CHILD is a VICTIM of divorce, and we just don't ever hear that. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
It's my position that the spouse in this case loved to play the victim. On camera, online and she used that to get online communities to send her money because of her "plight" .

It is possible to divorce someone that is missing in any state, I believe. The court will just require you to do certain things to get that done. I believe here you have to "serve" the person publically (through newspaper legal ads or similar) and it has to be published for a certain amount of time before.. to give the person time to answer. If the doesn't answer then the court will grant the divorce by default. Most people don't divorce missing people because they don't want to or maybe because they worry how it will look. She put the ad in an obscure newpaper that I doubt Nicholas would have read in but I don't remember exactly which one.

[n/t]

Those poor kids. What do you tell the children? Your daddy is missing but mommy got married to another man. I don't think the little ones understand but Nicholas' daughter surely does. She was waiting for daddy to come home and bake cookies with her. :sad:

One day she may look for her daddy. I'm sure she'll want to know what happened to him. :rose:

[inv]

It is possible to divorce someone that is missing in any state, I believe. The court will just require you to do certain things to get that done. I believe here you have to "serve" the person publically (through newspaper legal ads or similar) and it has to be published for a certain amount of time before.. to give the person time to answer. If the doesn't answer then the court will grant the divorce by default. Most people don't divorce missing people because they don't want to or maybe because they worry how it will look. She put the ad in an obscure newpaper that I doubt Nicholas would have read in but I don't remember exactly which one.

Their divorce was final on 9/17/08 by default, right? That's what I get from the procedings.

[inv]

Those poor kids. What do you tell the children? Your daddy is missing but mommy got married to another man. I don't think the little ones understand but Nicholas' daughter surely does. She was waiting for daddy to come home and bake cookies with her. :sad:

One day she may look for her daddy. I'm sure she'll want to know what happened to him. :rose:

I wonder if LE interviewed NF's daughter? She surely would have known what happened the night Nicholas went missing.

[MystryPhobia]

Their divorce was final on 9/17/08 by default, right? That's what I get from the procedings.

Yep.. which means any and everything that she asked for in the divorce was also granted by default to her because he didn't show up to say any different.

[inv]

Yep.. which means any and everything that she asked for in the divorce was also granted by default to her because he didn't show up to say any different.

That's right, but I don't think that's a good thing. Even if it's true that he was participating in alternative sex lifestyles, should that mean he gets no visitation with his children?

I personally feel that NF would have participated in the divorce if he were able to.

jmo

[MystryPhobia]

That's right, but I don't think that's a good thing. Even if it's true that he was participating in alternative sex lifestyles, should that mean he gets no visitation with his children?

I personally feel that NF would have participated in the divorce if he were able to.

jmo

That is the law.. not saying that I agree with it. I don't believe that the law was set up so that people could divorce their missing and possibly dead spouses. I think it is to give those that are abandoneed or can't find their alive spouse a way out. But.. some of those make it into there obviously.

Those aren't public records but I have to wonder what was said to the judge in this case for him to grant the ability to publish the intent. If Nicholas is found and that record was false.. I would think he would have some legal standing to fight it. But.. then if he is alive then that would probably further prove what she told the judge... unless there has been some medical condition that prevented him from returning home.

[CaresForKids]

I am not making any unfounded accusation. I asked a question. I don't need to be scolded by you, Cheri. They are legitimate questions. We have a missing person here, remember? I think I have just reason to ask such questions. I am not accusing but the coincidences are interesting.. you have to admit..

She has come on here and claimed to have spoken to Nicholas. That he gave her his permission to call him "Nick"... when his etsy site was very new before he went missing.. so, she is claiming to have contact with him very close to the time that he went missing.

She has come on here and claimed that she was in a chat room with Christine.. where she saw her make disparaging remarks about Nicholas.

She talks of "hunches" that she has about this or that.

Claims to have left messages on sites that the rest of us have never seen.

Claims to have emails from the detective but refuses to share them.

It says on her etsy site that her daughter also has an etsy site.. if you go there.. her daughter is located in Kent, WA. Kent is the city that Nicholas supposedly met with people in. It is also the next city to the east of Seatac. Nothing of this daughter or her affiliation to this area has ever been talked about that I can find.

Wouldn't anyone ask these questions!

I am not accusing you of anything CaresForKids.. but you have to admit that when it is put all together... a case could be made that you might know Nicholas better than you have told us.

No offense intended but if she has nothing to hide then there will be a innocent answer to all of it and we can then move forward. It just has the sleuth in me.. wondering.

First off, you worry too much about me. Second, I owe no answers to you about anything but so you will be able to sleep tonight I will answer. C was in etsy chats for months before Nick went missing talking about his "stupid drawing" job and how if she didn't sew her aprons, they would never have enough money to live. She was a whiner and a narcissist then, just as she is now. Nick came into the chatroom when he opened his shop to introduce himself...nothing out of the ordinary, sellers do this all the time, so what? He seemed nice but a little shy. I asked if I could call him Nick, so what? I rarely ever call anyone I like by their full name except my cousin Cynthia because she is not a "Cindy" by any stretch of the name. You simply read too much into that. There were 20 other chatters in the room at the same time talking to him and each other and so forth and so on. It's a public chat. I messaged him at least once a month after he went missing for 8 months on a site much like twitter except the message goes to your cell phone. I also stated he never answered. If you've been reading Cheri's board as you claim, you'd know which site it was as another poster there is the one who told us about it. My "daughter" lives in Kent with her husband and kids. She is not my flesh and blood daughter but someone who has looked to me as her "mom" because she isn't in contact with her own. (A couple other girls there call me "Mama" too. It's a great compliment.) She also knows C through etsy and went to search and hang flyers...so what? LE has spoken to all of us in one way or another. I don't share personal emails without permission so you will not get copies. I do not know Nick any better than you do which is not at all. I hope you enjoyed the etsy site. Lots to look at and do there to keep you busy...you should go there more often.

[Musterion]

It's a really sad day in time when a husband goes missing, the wife pleads for 'help' (to get donations?), then she goes around saying that her husband was involved in a 'secret life' (and he isn't around to defend himself), then she goes off and gets a divorce and makes certain that the missing husband won't get to see the kids, then she decides that it's ok to get married to someone else even though her kids had just went through a whole year knowing their dad was a missing man.

Christine is able to speak for herself. She isn't missing.

Nicholas can't speak for himself, yet Christine has been defaming him since a month after he went missing.

just my opinion

It is only a matter of time, IMO, that the children's last name is changed from Francisco to Carter.

I don't believe Nicholas would stay in hiding if he saw what Christine was doing. That his children were going to be adopted by Christine's new husband. Christine said as much on here when she made the statement about remarrying and the children could be adopted.

And, it is a matter of time, IMO, before child number four is announced.

This just leaves me feeling sad and sick.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

That's right, but I don't think that's a good thing. Even if it's true that he was participating in alternative sex lifestyles, should that mean he gets no visitation with his children?

I personally feel that NF would have participated in the divorce if he were able to.

jmo

(red added by me)

I believe that is true, too, Inv.

And, you know what? I think that Christine knows it is true. As a matter of fact, if you listen to her last interview around the one year anniversary of Nicholas' disappearance, you will hear the reporter, at the very end of the story, state something to the effect of, 'however, Christine still doesn't believe he would have left his children.' And something about him being a good dad.

IMO, she knows in her heart of hearts that Nicholas may leave her, but would not leave their kids.

I don't believe he left any of them. :(

IMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

First off, you worry too much about me. Second, I owe no answers to you about anything but so you will be able to sleep tonight I will answer. C was in etsy chats for months before Nick went missing talking about his "stupid drawing" job and how if she didn't sew her aprons, they would never have enough money to live. She was a whiner and a narcissist then, just as she is now. Nick came into the chatroom when he opened his shop to introduce himself...nothing out of the ordinary, sellers do this all the time, so what? He seemed nice but a little shy. I asked if I could call him Nick, so what? I rarely ever call anyone I like by their full name except my cousin Cynthia because she is not a "Cindy" by any stretch of the name. You simply read too much into that. There were 20 other chatters in the room at the same time talking to him and each other and so forth and so on. It's a public chat. I messaged him at least once a month after he went missing for 8 months on a site much like twitter except the message goes to your cell phone. I also stated he never answered. If you've been reading Cheri's board as you claim, you'd know which site it was as another poster there is the one who told us about it. My "daughter" lives in Kent with her husband and kids. She is not my flesh and blood daughter but someone who has looked to me as her "mom" because she isn't in contact with her own. (A couple other girls there call me "Mama" too. It's a great compliment.) She also knows C through etsy and went to search and hang flyers...so what? LE has spoken to all of us in one way or another. I don't share personal emails without permission so you will not get copies. I do not know Nick any better than you do which is not at all. I hope you enjoyed the etsy site. Lots to look at and do there to keep you busy...you should go there more often.

Sorry.. I wasn't accusing but the coincidences were more than I could just ignore.

I appreciate you answering those questions! I will sleep better!

[huskiki]

I wonder if they will continue to live in the rent free house, or perhaps it was Brent's house she moved into last year? :confused:

I was thinking the very same thing.

[huskiki]

And, I agree. If Christine was a male, she'd be strung up by now. Why is there SUCH a different standard for her???

I agree as well!

[SeattleEddie]

Body found in Bellevue has been identified as Emelio Perez Olivia.:

http://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009118968_webbellevuehomicide24m.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009118968_webbellevuehomicide24m.html)

[CaresForKids]

OUCH@cause of death! Poor guy. :sad:

[n/t]

Body found in Bellevue has been identified as Emelio Perez Olivia.:

http://http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009118968_webbellevuehomicide24m.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009118968_webbellevuehomicide24m.html)

Thank you for the update.

So sad.

For the victim and his family :rose:

[Musterion]

I have no words. Except, maybe they will pray for Nicholas to come home, alive.

JMO.
M.


http://www.freewebs.com/joypentecostalcrossing/

"Here's our story, We can look back as far as Evangelist Elmer j Carter who started out as a Methodist Preacher in the late 1800s . But as the Pentecostal movement began to sturr in "1903" he was introduced to the preaching and teachings of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and the power of God manifested in the lives of believers. His connections to the founding father of The Church of God in Christ Bishop Charles H Mason eventually drew him into deep fellowship and it soon became home to him. In "1954" Bishop Aaron Bethel Carter Sr. started his first church that soon after blossemed into one of the largest church ministries in Des Moines IA following in the foosteps of his father and his Mother in Law Sarah Warren that hailed from Topica Kansas ministering under the oversight of Rev. James Blackwell.
The Crossing is a product of these great men and women and the faithfulness of God transending generations and time. We are now lead by the Dr. James W Carter Sr. in a five fold full gospel ministry to all whom God may call here in Bremerton Wa."

http://www.freewebs.com/joypentecostalcrossing/calendarofevents.htm

Every Tuesday 6:30pm-9:00pm
"Grouplink"
Home Groups
Led by Pastor Brent Carter

Job Opening:

http://www.pastorfinder.com/job.asp?id=1257

"We are a new church plant on the olympic peninsula across from seattle and we are in need of a worship pastor. We are pentecostal in nature and we believe in powerful worship and powerful reaching of gods word. Being we are a brand new church plant we do not have alot of money and realistically this is us throwing up a hope and a prayer and hoping that god put us on someones heart to help us."

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Thank you for the update.

So sad.

For the victim and his family :rose:

How horrible....

Praying for his family.

Rest In Peace.

IMO.
M.

[inv]

(red added by me)

I believe that is true, too, Inv.

And, you know what? I think that Christine knows it is true. As a matter of fact, if you listen to her last interview around the one year anniversary of Nicholas' disappearance, you will hear the reporter, at the very end of the story, state something to the effect of, 'however, Christine still doesn't believe he would have left his children.' And something about him being a good dad.

IMO, she knows in her heart of hearts that Nicholas may leave her, but would not leave their kids.

I don't believe he left any of them. :(

IMO.
M.

I agree Musterion. I don't believe he would have left them either. I remember seeing a cache of franciscodesign.com through archive.org where Nicholas was in the process of drafting new graphics. On the website he stated that the new designs would be posted on his site on a day that fell after he disappeared. I will try to find the achived page and post a link to it.

I don't believe he planned to leave that night.

[RainyNiteNTx]

It is possible to divorce someone that is missing in any state, I believe. The court will just require you to do certain things to get that done. I believe here you have to "serve" the person publically (through newspaper legal ads or similar) and it has to be published for a certain amount of time before.. to give the person time to answer. If the doesn't answer then the court will grant the divorce by default. Most people don't divorce missing people because they don't want to or maybe because they worry how it will look. She put the ad in an obscure newpaper that I doubt Nicholas would have read in but I don't remember exactly which one.

Even if you think the person is alive, why put the ad in an obscure newspaper that you know they would not read? And especially when someone is missing and it is well documented that they are missing? That really does not seem fair that someone is missing possibly due to foul play, and their spouse can divorce them, take full custody of their children, and then remarry. JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

It is only a matter of time, IMO, that the children's last name is changed from Francisco to Carter.

I don't believe Nicholas would stay in hiding if he saw what Christine was doing. That his children were going to be adopted by Christine's new husband. Christine said as much on here when she made the statement about remarrying and the children could be adopted.

And, it is a matter of time, IMO, before child number four is announced.

This just leaves me feeling sad and sick.

IMO.
M.

More than ever now I believe Nicholas is dead. This also leaves me feeling very sick to my stomach.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I agree Musterion. I don't believe he would have left them either. I remember seeing a cache of franciscodesign.com through archive.org where Nicholas was in the process of drafting new graphics. On the website he stated that the new designs would be posted on his site on a day that fell after he disappeared. I will try to find the achived page and post a link to it.

I don't believe he planned to leave that night.

I don't believe he planned to leave that night and I've never believed it. He was recovering from a stomach virus, had no money, no clothes - nothing. And, according to your post, he had plans for the future. :(

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://www.jpgmag.com/people/bella

I wonder if she still goes by "Bella" since that is the name she said Nicholas gave to her.

[n/t]

So, they resign from Mars Hill, Nicholas vanishes without a trace shortly thereafter and she divorces Nicholas less than a year later and marries a pastor who's looking for money for his church? Did I get that right?

:unsure:

[shelkobe]

I see nothing wrong with her marrying again. After seeing photos and videos of my missing husband having sex with other women, I would consider my marriage over too. I have no doubt she still wants to find out what happened to him too, for the sake of her children.

I'm not surprised Christina married so quickly, although not a lot of men are rushing out to date women with three kids. But when Nicholas first when missing she kept saying, "Who is going to take care of us?" To me that doesn't scream "independent woman."

[n/t]

I see nothing wrong with her marrying again. After seeing photos and videos of my missing husband having sex with other women, I would consider my marriage over too. I have no doubt she still wants to find out what happened to him too, for the sake of her children.

I'm not surprised Christina married so quickly, although not a lot of men are rushing out to date women with three kids. But when Nicholas first when missing she kept saying, "Who is going to take care of us?" To me that doesn't scream "independent woman."

Oh dear. Where are you getting that she saw photos and videos of her husband having sex? Let's not start rumours, please! :thumbdown:

[Shelby1]

So, they resign from Mars Hill, Nicholas vanishes without a trace shortly thereafter and she divorces Nicholas less than a year later and marries a pastor who's looking for money for his church? Did I get that right?

:unsure:

Sums it up in my book.

[shelkobe]

Oh dear. Where are you getting that she saw photos and videos of her husband having sex? Let's not start rumours, please! :thumbdown:
The link to the interview with Christine is in this thread, several pages back. This is what was reported.

Edited to add: It looks like the previous thread was deleted so I'm not sure if this thread has the link, but it was the last interview I've seen with Christine that was put out around the one-year anniversary of Nicholas going missing.

[shelkobe]

Here's the article and video again, http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-
Reporter says Christine found evidence of another lifestyle in emails and video.

[n/t]

Here's the article and video again, http://www.kirotv.com/news/18712980/detail.html#-
Reporter says Christine found evidence of another lifestyle in emails and video.

That's not even close to what you stated in your post.

Christine Francisco said evidence uncovered on the Internet revealed a "whole other life," including hidden bank accounts.

We also have to remember that these are her words. Unfortunately, Nicholas is missing and cannot defend these unfounded accusations against him. Hidden bank accounts and he withdrew $54.00 when he went missing. Alrighty then.

[n/t]

Sums it up in my book.


His mom's words still haunt me. She hoped nobody was out to persecute him. Thinking back, I wonder if she knew this was Christine's plan all along.

[Shelby1]

His mom's words still haunt me. She hoped nobody was out to persecute him. Thinking back, I wonder if she knew this was Christine's plan all along.

I don't think it's a coincidence that they left Mars Hill and now she's married to a preacher. There's so much more to this than we know.

[inv]

I don't think it's a coincidence that they left Mars Hill and now she's married to a preacher. There's so much more to this than we know.

I think so too. So much has been going on in CF's life since NF was reported missing. I hate to speculate, but I am under the impression that CF (maybe others too?) planned NF's disappearance. I feel that her initial media interviews, reporting NF missing, etc was CF covering her bases. She needed money right? What better opportunity to collect some cash than play a sob story about how was she going to pay her mortgage, feed her kids, blah, blah? This would be understandable if she actually used the donated funds to pay for these things, we know she didn't keep the house.

Am I mistaken, or did CF (or someone) erase all of NF's family pics from flikr, myspace, etc even before CF started the rumor that NF was involved in a secret life? What wife of a missing husband would do this? Wouldn't those pics help the public to recognize NF?

And how far does one get on 54.00? Seems to me that NF probably withdrew this amount to get cookies, maybe gas, etc. And what about clothes, personal items, a place to stay (since, if he walked, he only went as far as federal way within the first 5 days), another car, etc? Wouldn't one need much more than 54 dollars for starting a new life, or running off to a place where NOBODY would find him for over a year?

Yeah, CF can sit back and relax now that she found a new man. But what about Nicholas? Why hasn't he been tracked/found in over a year? With internet sleuths, cops on his trail, it would be nearly impossible to stay hidden that long, especially knowing that NF wore his laptop like a wedding ring. What happened to his cell/laptop? Was there something incriminating on the laptop which could point to foul play? If so, did the perp dispose of the laptop?

Shouldn't LE be thinking outside the box on this case? I would think so given that NF has not beent tracked down thus far.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Even the missing person flyer was like something out of Saturday Night Live - it was a joke. Leaves toast in the toaster - wears his laptop like a wedding ring, couple of cavities.



http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

[SilverDove]

Oh dear. Where are you getting that she saw photos and videos of her husband having sex? Let's not start rumours, please! :thumbdown:

Not start rumors? How about the one where he have a vasectomy without telling Christine? There was also the one about the baby not being Nicholas and he did the math and found out, even though we don't know if there was any math to do?

There is a lot of things that point to the fact that he might have been involved with other people. Even if the police are coy about it. Seems to me that one of the emails from the police said something about people on the boards believing a lot of things about Christine that they didn't believe were true but on the other hand they never said that about Nicholas. Seems if they didn't figure that we were on to something with the secret info we had turned up they would have been more inclined to say we were talking about things they didn't believe about Nicholas, too.

If Nicholas left on his own or not what is the "proper" number of years for a young woman with 3 young children to wait for someone who either left her or is dead? Especially one that isn't that independent?

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Chambliss/775424302

Doesn't she make the lovely little bride? Sorry, but this is just sick, imo.

The truth about what happened to Nicholas, after he left work 2/13/08, won't be a secret forever. He will one day be found, either accidentally, or otherwise. Someone once told me that there is no such thing as 'gone without a trace'. I believe that. The truth is out there, and it's just a matter of time.

imo

Is my computer messed up...does this link work anymore?

[inv]

Not start rumors? How about the one where he have a vasectomy without telling Christine? There was also the one about the baby not being Nicholas and he did the math and found out, even though we don't know if there was any math to do?

There is a lot of things that point to the fact that he might have been involved with other people. Even if the police are coy about it. Seems to me that one of the emails from the police said something about people on the boards believing a lot of things about Christine that they didn't believe were true but on the other hand they never said that about Nicholas. Seems if they didn't figure that we were on to something with the secret info we had turned up they would have been more inclined to say we were talking about things they didn't believe about Nicholas, too.

If Nicholas left on his own or not what is the "proper" number of years for a young woman with 3 young children to wait for someone who either left her or is dead? Especially one that isn't that independent?

Well, you would think that Christine would still be searching desperately for Nicholas, pleading for his return, if for no other reason than to collect child support from him. But, then again, I guess she knows he isn't ever going to be able to pay child support. Wouldn't such a Christian woman want her kids' father to be in there life, even through visitation? Does she think that it is okay to punish NF by divorcing him, taking FULL custody of the kids, then remarrying only a year after her husband went missing, and also defaming his name to the point of no repair? Even if NF were involved in a secret life, does he deserve all that CF has done to him?

I don't believe NF is alive, I don't think any man could put up with all this and remain silent and hidden.

:thumbdown:

[inv]

Is my computer messed up...does this link work anymore?

No, you're pc is fine. I am sure CF knows we know. I would expect all her 'wedding photos' to disappear from everywhere, and Brent's family's myspaces, facebooks to go private or disappear as well.

[SeattleEddie]

His mom's words still haunt me. She hoped nobody was out to persecute him. Thinking back, I wonder if she knew this was Christine's plan all along.

I think of his mother's words all the time. As I recall: "I hope they're not persecuting him." (or something along those lines....)

Was he undergoing punishment by MHC?

[inv]

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth


there's nothing wrong with going after child support. it takes two to make a baby. if he didn't want kids he shouldn't have had them. regardless, he fathered 3 kids and has a responsibility for them even if he doesn't like it. i don't think there is any sort of revenge that she could ensue on him to make up for what he has done and how he has hurt her and the kids. i think revenge is the last thing on her mind. she stated in the news video that she wants closure for her daughter and herself and everyone involved. why is it so hard to believe that and child support would be the only reasons she wants him found?


I can just see the bile spewing from CF's fingertips in the statement she made above.

And, she wants closure for specifically 'her daughter and herself'? What about the rest of Nicholas' family? and friends? What about Noah?

[CaresForKids]

I can just see the bile spewing from CF's fingertips in the statement she made above.

And, she wants closure for specifically 'her daughter and herself'? What about the rest of Nicholas' family? and friends? What about Noah?

Doesn't she want Malachi/Malakai (however she spells it) to know who his father is?

[Shelby1]

No, you're pc is fine. I am sure CF knows we know. I would expect all her 'wedding photos' to disappear from everywhere, and Brent's family's myspaces, facebooks to go private or disappear as well.


Frankly, she wasn't real smart to go ahead and change her name on the JPG site if she didn't want it to be known that she got married right away. I don't get it. Why do that?

[CaresForKids]

His mom's words still haunt me. She hoped nobody was out to persecute him. Thinking back, I wonder if she knew this was Christine's plan all along.

I can still hear her voice saying those words. I'm haunted by them too. I want to know what she meant by them and what she knows.

[carterkatt]

Frankly, she wasn't real smart to go ahead and change her name on the JPG site if she didn't want it to be known that she got married right away. I don't get it. Why do that?

For the attention...IMO...

[SeattleEddie]

For the attention...IMO...

ITA and sympathy. This move has a lot of capital. She can cry to her friends and husband, they can comfort her, etc etc etc.... Until the next drama.........

[CaresForKids]

Hold on to your potatoes Brent Carter...you're in for the ride of your life! :w00t:

[Shelby1]

I hope Brent likes roller coasters.

I'll say this for the man....I commend him for taking on three children that aren't his own.

[Musterion]

Is my computer messed up...does this link work anymore?

LOL! As Gomer Pyle used to say, "surpriize, surpriize, surpriize". Not!

[Musterion]

Hold on to your potatoes Brent Carter...you're in for the ride of your life! :w00t:

Oh my gosh! This brought me to tears! I can't stop laughing.

[Musterion]

I hope Brent likes roller coasters.

I'll say this for the man....I commend him for taking on three children that aren't his own.

LOL! Shelby, that is too funny!

Yes, I think it's brave of a man to do. Or a woman to take on her new husband's children.

I'm just praying that he is a kind and compassionate man that will love those little ones the way they deserve to be loved. They need stability from here on out, their short little lives have been through enough.

IMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

LOL! As Gomer Pyle used to say, "surpriize, surpriize, surpriize". Not!

ROFL - and here I thought it was me computer :laugh:

[SilverDove]

Oh my gosh! This brought me to tears! I can't stop laughing.

Yes the whole thing is soooo funny isn't it. :thumbdown:

[n/t]

I hope Brent likes roller coasters.

I'll say this for the man....I commend him for taking on three children that aren't his own.

Actually, that worries me. If she's only known this man for less than a year, how can she trust her 3 children with this person?

It scares the heck out of me. She trusts a stranger but won't trust the father of her own children? That doesn't make any sense. :sad:

[Musterion]

Yes the whole thing is soooo funny isn't it. :thumbdown:

Oh come on now, SD! You're taking my comment out of context! It is funny the way it was said! IMO.

I DID NOT say the WHOLE thing is funny. And you know that I don't.

I'm serious as a heart attack that this case is probably not a missing person's case but a murder case. I find no humour in that.

I find NO humour in Christine putting Nicholas' secret life out there. If he had a secret life that would have been something she should have kept quiet. She should of had more respect for her children to NOT give the public the information and OH BOY, she gave it. She was the source every single time anything came out. She manipulated it! And, in fact, she said to me that it was personal and she would never reveal it. Yeah, right.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied about her pregnancy and the timing of conception. She used her own baby to gain sympathy and money and free everything. To me, that's despicable to do to a baby.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine put her children on news shows or interviews and exploited them to the public. My God, she sat right there in her living room crying hysterically while Noah and Zea were listening and watching her performance. She was saying with deep histrionics, "IF YOU don't find him these kids won't have a daddy, this unborn baby won't have a daddy." Don't children need protection? Shame on her for doing that to those children. Their wounds are deep enough because the father they loved is missing, but for a mother to put them front and center in her emotional crisis is unforgivable.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied to me about the secret life and LE saying she could not talk about it. That she would not sign off on billboards to find Nicholas. That she would not give an interview to a national news magazine to help find Nicholas. Not funny.

I find ZERO humour in the fact that Christine listed herself single on MySpace when she hadn't even filed for divorce. With a picture of anything but a distraught wife or even betrayed wife.

NO humour that less than a year since her husband went missing and she's already engaged and practically remarried. I find that sad. I find that suspicious. I find that disgusting when it is surrounded by all of the other lies.

I find NO humour in Christine coming on this board and sticking up for herself as a nic and putting suspicion on Nicholas' family to deflect from her upcoming marriage. To me, it is sick. Why in God's name would she care what we think. Suspicious. Extremely not funny and extremely the actions of a person who has guilt about something. IMO.

I could go on and on and maybe I will. But, for right now, know SD that I don't find anything about Christine Carter funny. And as far as Brent Carter is concerned, God help him. Unless he knew her before Nicholas went missing, then, well, God help him then, too.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Actually, that worries me. If she's only known this man for less than a year, how can she trust her 3 children with this person?

It scares the heck out of me. She trusts a stranger but won't trust the father of her own children? That doesn't make any sense. :sad:

That's a really good point.

It would be interesting to find out just how long she has known him. Before Nicholas?

IMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

Oh come on now, SD! You're taking my comment out of context! It is funny the way it was said! IMO.

I DID NOT say the WHOLE thing is funny. And you know that I don't.

I'm serious as a heart attack that this case is probably not a missing person's case but a murder case. I find no humour in that.

I find NO humour in Christine putting Nicholas' secret life out there. If he had a secret life that would have been something she should have kept quiet. She should of had more respect for her children to NOT give the public the information and OH BOY, she gave it. She was the source every single time anything came out. She manipulated it! And, in fact, she said to me that it was personal and she would never reveal it. Yeah, right.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied about her pregnancy and the timing of conception. She used her own baby to gain sympathy and money and free everything. To me, that's despicable to do to a baby.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine put her children on news shows or interviews and exploited them to the public. My God, she sat right there in her living room crying hysterically while Noah and Zea were listening and watching her performance. She was saying with deep histrionics, "IF YOU don't find him these kids won't have a daddy, this unborn baby won't have a daddy." Don't children need protection? Shame on her for doing that to those children. Their wounds are deep enough because the father they loved is missing, but for a mother to put them front and center in her emotional crisis is unforgivable.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied to me about the secret life and LE saying she could not talk about it. That she would not sign off on billboards to find Nicholas. That she would not give an interview to a national news magazine to help find Nicholas. Not funny.

I find ZERO humour in the fact that Christine listed herself single on MySpace when she hadn't even filed for divorce. With a picture of anything but a distraught wife or even betrayed wife.

NO humour that less than a year since her husband went missing and she's already engaged and practically remarried. I find that sad. I find that suspicious. I find that disgusting when it is surrounded by all of the other lies.

I find NO humour in Christine coming on this board and sticking up for herself as a nic and putting suspicion on Nicholas' family to deflect from her upcoming marriage. To me, it is sick. Why in God's name would she care what we think. Suspicious. Extremely not funny and extremely the actions of a person who has guilt about something. IMO.

I could go on and on and maybe I will. But, for right now, know SD that I don't find anything about Christine Carter funny. And as far as Brent Carter is concerned, God help him. Unless he knew her before Nicholas went missing, then, well, God help him then, too.

IMO.
M.

No one could possibly say it any better than this! :thumbsup:

[SeattleEddie]

Oh come on now, SD! You're taking my comment out of context! It is funny the way it was said! IMO.

I DID NOT say the WHOLE thing is funny. And you know that I don't.

I'm serious as a heart attack that this case is probably not a missing person's case but a murder case. I find no humour in that.

I find NO humour in Christine putting Nicholas' secret life out there. If he had a secret life that would have been something she should have kept quiet. She should of had more respect for her children to NOT give the public the information and OH BOY, she gave it. She was the source every single time anything came out. She manipulated it! And, in fact, she said to me that it was personal and she would never reveal it. Yeah, right.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied about her pregnancy and the timing of conception. She used her own baby to gain sympathy and money and free everything. To me, that's despicable to do to a baby.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine put her children on news shows or interviews and exploited them to the public. My God, she sat right there in her living room crying hysterically while Noah and Zea were listening and watching her performance. She was saying with deep histrionics, "IF YOU don't find him these kids won't have a daddy, this unborn baby won't have a daddy." Don't children need protection? Shame on her for doing that to those children. Their wounds are deep enough because the father they loved is missing, but for a mother to put them front and center in her emotional crisis is unforgivable.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied to me about the secret life and LE saying she could not talk about it. That she would not sign off on billboards to find Nicholas. That she would not give an interview to a national news magazine to help find Nicholas. Not funny.

I find ZERO humour in the fact that Christine listed herself single on MySpace when she hadn't even filed for divorce. With a picture of anything but a distraught wife or even betrayed wife.

NO humour that less than a year since her husband went missing and she's already engaged and practically remarried. I find that sad. I find that suspicious. I find that disgusting when it is surrounded by all of the other lies.

I find NO humour in Christine coming on this board and sticking up for herself as a nic and putting suspicion on Nicholas' family to deflect from her upcoming marriage. To me, it is sick. Why in God's name would she care what we think. Suspicious. Extremely not funny and extremely the actions of a person who has guilt about something. IMO.

I could go on and on and maybe I will. But, for right now, know SD that I don't find anything about Christine Carter funny. And as far as Brent Carter is concerned, God help him. Unless he knew her before Nicholas went missing, then, well, God help him then, too.

IMO.
M.

What a great post, Musterion. Absolutely.

[inv]

Musterion, you have my eternal respect for your last post. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. :smile:

This has been one heck of a ride, hasn't it? Hopefully soon KCSO will realize that maybe it's time to go through NF's old house with a fine-tooth comb. Maybe they need to look closely through "someone else's" personal belongings for reciepts dated from say 2/10/08 to 2/20/08 which might prove that a storage facility had been rented, a pc or cell phone had been sold, a trip had been made south of Seatac, etc. Maybe they need to search "someone else's" pc for clues or evidence.

Maybe they should, just to rule it out, search in/around Panther Lake.

imo

[SilverDove]

Oh come on now, SD! You're taking my comment out of context! It is funny the way it was said! IMO.

I DID NOT say the WHOLE thing is funny. And you know that I don't.

I'm serious as a heart attack that this case is probably not a missing person's case but a murder case. I find no humour in that.

I find NO humour in Christine putting Nicholas' secret life out there. If he had a secret life that would have been something she should have kept quiet. She should of had more respect for her children to NOT give the public the information and OH BOY, she gave it. She was the source every single time anything came out. She manipulated it! And, in fact, she said to me that it was personal and she would never reveal it. Yeah, right.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied about her pregnancy and the timing of conception. She used her own baby to gain sympathy and money and free everything. To me, that's despicable to do to a baby.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine put her children on news shows or interviews and exploited them to the public. My God, she sat right there in her living room crying hysterically while Noah and Zea were listening and watching her performance. She was saying with deep histrionics, "IF YOU don't find him these kids won't have a daddy, this unborn baby won't have a daddy." Don't children need protection? Shame on her for doing that to those children. Their wounds are deep enough because the father they loved is missing, but for a mother to put them front and center in her emotional crisis is unforgivable.

I find NO humour in the fact that Christine lied to me about the secret life and LE saying she could not talk about it. That she would not sign off on billboards to find Nicholas. That she would not give an interview to a national news magazine to help find Nicholas. Not funny.

I find ZERO humour in the fact that Christine listed herself single on MySpace when she hadn't even filed for divorce. With a picture of anything but a distraught wife or even betrayed wife.

NO humour that less than a year since her husband went missing and she's already engaged and practically remarried. I find that sad. I find that suspicious. I find that disgusting when it is surrounded by all of the other lies.

I find NO humour in Christine coming on this board and sticking up for herself as a nic and putting suspicion on Nicholas' family to deflect from her upcoming marriage. To me, it is sick. Why in God's name would she care what we think. Suspicious. Extremely not funny and extremely the actions of a person who has guilt about something. IMO.

I could go on and on and maybe I will. But, for right now, know SD that I don't find anything about Christine Carter funny. And as far as Brent Carter is concerned, God help him. Unless he knew her before Nicholas went missing, then, well, God help him then, too.

IMO.
M.

Sounds like you are taking this really personally. Sorry if Christine was talking to you but didn't answer every little question to your satisfaction. Sounds a bit like you wanted an inside track but she didn't spill it all to you.

I think the info on Nicholas secret is very important to what happened to him and I see no reason that Christine wouldn't want it out there. She has way more class then I would have if the same thing had happened to me.

[inv]

Sounds like you are taking this really personally. Sorry if Christine was talking to you but didn't answer every little question to your satisfaction. Sounds a bit like you wanted an inside track but she didn't spill it all to you.

I think the info on Nicholas secret is very important to what happened to him and I see no reason that Christine wouldn't want it out there. She has way more class then I would have if the same thing had happened to me.

So Christine is punishing Nicholas for the 'secret life'? Because she feels betrayed, NF deserves to have his life/career/relationship with his children destoyed forever? Is that how she feels? All so she can feel like she got him back?

[CaresForKids]

Sounds like you are taking this really personally. Sorry if Christine was talking to you but didn't answer every little question to your satisfaction. Sounds a bit like you wanted an inside track but she didn't spill it all to you.

I think the info on Nicholas secret is very important to what happened to him and I see no reason that Christine wouldn't want it out there. She has way more class then I would have if the same thing had happened to me.

If you believe that is class that C has, you must have some very low standards. :punch:

[inv]

I think this Fox video bears reposting. Fox did an interview with Rosann Francisco 1 week after Nicholas was reported missing. While watching the interview, I think it is fairly obvious that Mrs. Francisco thinks that Nicholas catered to his wife and would do anything to help her/make her happy.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/americas-newsroom-where-is-nicholas-francisco/1835309019

[SeattleEddie]

And here's the video where she speaks those haunting words:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html

[inv]

Another link, for those who may not have seen it before. This one is a snapshot of CF's myspace account on 4/18/08.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/flyuptothesky/bellastyle2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/flyuptothesky/bellastyle.jpg

[CaresForKids]

I think this Fox video bears reposting. Fox did an interview with Rosann Francisco 1 week after Nicholas was reported missing. While watching the interview, I think it is fairly obvious that Mrs. Francisco thinks that Nicholas catered to his wife and would do anything to help her/make her happy.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/americas-newsroom-where-is-nicholas-francisco/1835309019

Do you have to have AOL to play this one? I can't get it to go.

[inv]

Do you have to have AOL to play this one? I can't get it to go.

IDK, it played fine for me. I looked for this vid on Fox's site, but it wasn't there. It wasn't on Youtube either. :confused:

[CaresForKids]

I embed it into my myspace page and it played there. I had forgotten about that footage.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Sounds like you are taking this really personally. Sorry if Christine was talking to you but didn't answer every little question to your satisfaction. Sounds a bit like you wanted an inside track but she didn't spill it all to you.

I think the info on Nicholas secret is very important to what happened to him and I see no reason that Christine wouldn't want it out there. She has way more class then I would have if the same thing had happened to me.

LOL I don't think it was Musterion that wanted an inside track. :sneaky:
Why initiate a conversation with someone just to tell half truths? What would be the agenda? Would it be to justify their own actions?

[Shelby1]

Actually, that worries me. If she's only known this man for less than a year, how can she trust her 3 children with this person?

It scares the heck out of me. She trusts a stranger but won't trust the father of her own children? That doesn't make any sense. :sad:

Like Musterion said, that is a really good point. I hadn't thought of it like that......

I think it's easy to think "oh the guy is a preacher, so he must be a great person". And, he might be a great guy, but preachers can be bad people, too.

[elf999]

May I ask, are all the people criticizing Christine perfect? Do all these people believe they would always do the perfect thing if they were in her shoes, never exaggerating, never making mistakes, always thinking of others before themselves? Are you saints, do you live in monasteries and pray and meditate all day?

I meditate alot and have been in therapy for 20 years, and let me tell you what I have found out about myself, I am far far far from perfect.

It is also very upsetting that people are criticizing what Christine has done and totally ignoring the fact that Nicholas was a cheating husband. He betrayed her. There is a scary lack of empathy from many on his board for how it feels to be betrayed and hurt.

You know there is a thing called karma which I believe in, and I have seen in action. Watch out, because all of the unwarranted criticisms said about Christine will come back to bite you in the you know what.

Karma will come back and it will get you. And one day you will know how it feels to be scorned and mocked and ridiculed when you have been betrayed and hurt. Maybe then you will try to stick up for yourself, and people will put you down for that, too.

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,

"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Be well.

Many Blessings

IMO, MOO

[Shelby1]

I need a link to prove to me that Nicholas was cheating on Christine.

I won't hold my breath while I wait.

[Musterion]

May I ask, are all the people criticizing Christine perfect? Do all these people believe they would always do the perfect thing if they were in her shoes, never exaggerating, never making mistakes, always thinking of others before themselves? Are you saints, do you live in monasteries and pray and meditate all day?

I meditate alot and have been in therapy for 20 years, and let me tell you what I have found out about myself, I am far far far from perfect.

It is also very upsetting that people are criticizing what Christine has done and totally ignoring the fact that Nicholas was a cheating husband. He betrayed her. There is a scary lack of empathy from many on his board for how it feels to be betrayed and hurt.

You know there is a thing called karma which I believe in, and I have seen in action. Watch out, because all of the unwarranted criticisms said about Christine will come back to bite you in the you know what.

Karma will come back and it will get you. And one day you will know how it feels to be scorned and mocked and ridiculed when you have been betrayed and hurt. Maybe then you will try to stick up for yourself, and people will put you down for that, too.

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,

"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Be well.

Many Blessings

IMO, MOO

Good Morning Elf and everyone!

Based on your belief in karma I would think that it is Christine who may be reaping what she's sown?

Maybe she should search her heart and past and see why her life is the way it is right now?

JMO.
M

[Musterion]

May I ask, are all the people criticizing Christine perfect? Do all these people believe they would always do the perfect thing if they were in her shoes, never exaggerating, never making mistakes, always thinking of others before themselves? Are you saints, do you live in monasteries and pray and meditate all day (snipped by me for space)

Hi Elf,

No one on this thread has ever claimed perfection. Far from it. Many of us have walked in Christine's shoes to some degree.

And, I believe, that because of posters' life experiences it has enabled them to see beyond the surface of this missing person's case.

I would not say that anyone here is criticizing Christine. I would say that Christine's actions and behaviours are being analyzed, dissected and carefully scrutinized. This case is being analyzed. We do this because this is a crime forum and that is what we do here with each case. This is not Etsy or a SupportingChristine forum. Where, in those cases, they were to encourage and not question Christine, just support her. Which was fine.

But, it might be helpful when reading here to keep in mind what In Session is about and what this forum is about. In that light maybe you won't judge us so harshly?

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

It is also very upsetting that people are criticizing what Christine has done and totally ignoring the fact that Nicholas was a cheating husband. He betrayed her. There is a scary lack of empathy from many on his board for how it feels to be betrayed and hurt.
(snipped by me for space)

Again, on this forum I don't believe Christine is being criticized. I believe her actions are being analyzed because she is the ex wife of an unsolved missing person's case. We are not a support Christine forum. We are here to find out what happened to Nicholas Francisco.

Nicholas' 'secret life', or alleged betrayal of Christine, is not something many posters here feel has been confirmed. So, there may not be empathy for Christine from those posters.

For those who do believe Nicholas had a secret life and betrayed his marriage vows, it is secondary to what happened to him and how it happened to him. He is a missing person and his lifestyle should have little to no bearing on the search for him. Only in that that lifestyle may have been the reason he is missing and should be explored.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

No proof at all, that NF was "betraying" his wife, in any way whatso ever.

Link Please because its stated as fact.

Nicholas Francisco, is a missing person. He disappeared. If he is not a missing person, has been located, then I guess the divorce will be granted.

Because he must have been served in some fashion, and agreed to a custody plan. There also must be a child support order. But, i dont see one.

There is not proof whatsoever??? <sigh> okay.. I disagree with that statement bugout.. there is proof.

But.. that aside.. you, yourself are stating something as fact that is not..
1.) The divorce has already been granted.
2.) We already talked about how he was served. She got a "Order of Publication" signed by the court so that she could publish the summons, instead of personal service. This can and is done when you can not find the person you are divorcing. She then can publish her legal intent for a certain amount of time (set by the court) and if he does not answer in that amount of time then she is granted what she wants, by default.
3.) I don't know where you are reading but all of this has been posted on here within the last few days.. you may have even been the one to cut and paste it.. I don't know.. it clearly states that there is a parenting plan (final order) on the courts website.. along with an order for support and the restraining order she asked for.

He NEVER agreed to ANYTHING. She petitioned.. he didn't answer.. the court granted her request by default.. period.. end of story. There is a parenting plan, there is an order for support. I am not sure why you aren't seeing it.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/?fa=home.namesearchTerms

[MystryPhobia]

oH M I so agree. Thank you for posting this.

Where are all the people who really cared and looked for Nicholas? Mathew Shepards mother used that word, persecute. I always wondered why she chose that word. Nicholas has nothing to fear, nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of.
I too, for the first day in a long time am seriously wondering if my gutinstinct was correct all along. That he made it home that night and was murdered. And he's long gone and CF has no fear of moving on; she knows damn well he won't be back, and must also know there won't ever be any chance of him "providing" her with "support"....

Best to move on to another man.

Right? (is THAT the christian way?) I think N O T. This woman has gone from one bizzare sec to another. No offense to anyone's religion but that is how I see it, this is my opinion. She hunts for this type of man, that will "take care of her" and then she won't have to work. NF was trying hard on his meager salary to provide for THREE CHILDREN, one who refused to work to feed her own kids.


Wow.. people wonder why it seems like I am always sticking up for Christine and it is because of posts like these.

I don't really think this has anything to do with christianity in the way that you are talking. How do you know that Nicholas did not want Christine to have to work but to stay home and care for their children? Lots of men think that is important and IMO.. Nicholas was one of them. Staying home with your children does not mean that you need a man to "take care of you". How do you know that Nicholas lived on a "meager salary?" I don't even think that is even close to being true. Nicholas worked his "you know what off"... with at least 2 jobs. He was moving up in his field. I don't know how much he was making exactly but I would bet that it was adequate to care for his family... they did own a home.

I'm sorry bugout.. but it just seems to me that in trying to slam Christine.. you are also slamming on Nicholas. Since some of these choices were also his. It seems that some here think that he was some weak willed man wannabe that Christine drug around by the his choke collar. I doubt that was the case.

[MystryPhobia]

(snipped by me for space)

Again, on this forum I don't believe Christine is being criticized. I believe her actions are being analyzed because she is the ex wife of an unsolved missing person's case. We are not a support Christine forum. We are here to find out what happened to Nicholas Francisco.

Nicholas' 'secret life', or alleged betrayal of Christine, is not something many posters here feel has been confirmed. So, there may not be empathy for Christine from those posters.

For those who do believe Nicholas had a secret life and betrayed his marriage vows, it is secondary to what happened to him and how it happened to him. He is a missing person and his lifestyle should have little to no bearing on the search for him. Only in that that lifestyle may have been the reason he is missing and should be explored.

JMO.
M.


I agree M that it should all be analyzed and looked at and you always make great points!

I worry that some have lost perspective and instead of looking at the facts.. they just throw any and everything out there about Christine. Then we are expected to believe it all but if we try to look at the possibility that Nicholas' secret life had ANYTHING to do with what happened to him.. we are shunned and told that we don't care about him and we just want to destroy his good name.

It makes no sense to me how someone can say that she needs a man to take care of her in one sentence, knows that Nicholas isn't coming back to pay her child support and that is why she ran off to marry a new man ie..'paycheck' right away and then says that he made it home that nightand she killed him.

[MystryPhobia]

May I ask, are all the people criticizing Christine perfect? Do all these people believe they would always do the perfect thing if they were in her shoes, never exaggerating, never making mistakes, always thinking of others before themselves? Are you saints, do you live in monasteries and pray and meditate all day?

I meditate alot and have been in therapy for 20 years, and let me tell you what I have found out about myself, I am far far far from perfect.

It is also very upsetting that people are criticizing what Christine has done and totally ignoring the fact that Nicholas was a cheating husband. He betrayed her. There is a scary lack of empathy from many on his board for how it feels to be betrayed and hurt.

You know there is a thing called karma which I believe in, and I have seen in action. Watch out, because all of the unwarranted criticisms said about Christine will come back to bite you in the you know what.

Karma will come back and it will get you. And one day you will know how it feels to be scorned and mocked and ridiculed when you have been betrayed and hurt. Maybe then you will try to stick up for yourself, and people will put you down for that, too.

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,

"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Be well.

Many Blessings

IMO, MOO

I don't think anyone is claiming to be perfect elf.

I think that your statement could be relevant to anyone and not just those posting on this thread. None of us are perfect. Including Christine and youself.

In fact IMO the very thing that you are accusing people of doing in your post.. you are yourself doing, aren't you?

We try to live up to Him but ALL fall short! Don't we?

[CaresForKids]

You know there is a thing called karma which I believe in, and I have seen in action. Watch out, because all of the unwarranted criticisms said about Christine will come back to bite you in the you know what.

Karma will come back and it will get you. And one day you will know how it feels to be scorned and mocked and ridiculed when you have been betrayed and hurt. Maybe then you will try to stick up for yourself, and people will put you down for that, too.

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,

"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Be well.

Many Blessings

IMO, MOO

Hypocrite much?

[Musterion]

Sounds like you are taking this really personally. Sorry if Christine was talking to you but didn't answer every little question to your satisfaction. Sounds a bit like you wanted an inside track but she didn't spill it all to you.

I think the info on Nicholas secret is very important to what happened to him and I see no reason that Christine wouldn't want it out there. She has way more class then I would have if the same thing had happened to me.

Yes, I am taking this case personally. And I would love to have the 'inside track' to what happened to Nicholas. The truth about what happened to him. And, no, she did not spill all she knows about what happened to him.

As a matter of fact, in one of the last pm's she sent me, she said that she is very selective of who she tells what to. She said no one knows the same thing at the same time.

Now, why would that be?

JMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

May I ask, are all the people criticizing Christine perfect? Do all these people believe they would always do the perfect thing if they were in her shoes, never exaggerating, never making mistakes, always thinking of others before themselves? Are you saints, do you live in monasteries and pray and meditate all day?

I meditate alot and have been in therapy for 20 years, and let me tell you what I have found out about myself, I am far far far from perfect.

It is also very upsetting that people are criticizing what Christine has done and totally ignoring the fact that Nicholas was a cheating husband. He betrayed her. There is a scary lack of empathy from many on his board for how it feels to be betrayed and hurt.

You know there is a thing called karma which I believe in, and I have seen in action. Watch out, because all of the unwarranted criticisms said about Christine will come back to bite you in the you know what.

Karma will come back and it will get you. And one day you will know how it feels to be scorned and mocked and ridiculed when you have been betrayed and hurt. Maybe then you will try to stick up for yourself, and people will put you down for that, too.

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,

"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Be well.

Many Blessings

IMO, MOO

This is a crime forum; however, you might be interested in this site...
http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

[RainyNiteNTx]

Yes, I am taking this case personally. And I would love to have the 'inside track' to what happened to Nicholas. The truth about what happened to him. And, no, she did not spill all she knows about what happened to him.

As a matter of fact, in one of the last pm's she sent me, she said that she is very selective of who she tells what to. She said no one knows the same thing at the same time.
Now, why would that be?

JMO.
M.

(highlighted by me)
Why would anyone sincerely interested in finding a missing person select and choose what she told and who she told it to?

[Cury-us Coyote]

This is a crime forum; however, you might be interested in this site...
http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

It would appear this support site was not provided notice of CF's appearance on KIRO for the 1yr missing video interview either before or after its airing.
jmo

[Musterion]

Also I believe Christianity teaches not to judge others, lest you be judged. And didn't the Bible say,"There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him."(Mark 7:15)

Elf,

I believe you might be taking this scripture out of context.

If taken literally and out of context, Matthew 7:1, might mean that a Judge on the bench in any court, if Christian, should not be able to render a verdict, or opinion on any case.

This scripture, taken to its logical conclusion, might mean that no Christian should confront another Christian on their sin.

This verse might prove to be the antithesis of the scripture you mentioned: John 7:24 says,"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

How do you reconcile those two scriptures?

Context is important. IMO.

I'm glad you brought Mark 7:15 up. Because it is a scripture that I think of when I hear the lies and see the inconsistencies of the ex wife of the missing Nicholas Francisco.

JMO.
M.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Elf,

I believe you might be taking this scripture out of context.

If taken literally and out of context, Matthew 7:1, might mean that a Judge on the bench in any court, if Christian, should not be able to render a verdict, or opinion on any case.

This scripture, taken to its logical conclusion, might mean that no Christian should confront another Christian on their sin.

This verse might prove to be the antithesis of the scripture you mentioned: John 7:24 says,"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

How do you reconcile those two scriptures?

Context is important. IMO.

I'm glad you brought Mark 7:15 up. Because it is a scripture that I think of when I hear the lies and see the inconsistencies of the ex wife of the missing Nicholas Francisco.

JMO.
M.

Since you bring up these questions, I would like to know where "karma" is mentioned in the Bible.

There is the law of sowing and reaping. And the Golden Rule 'Do unto others". But, karma is a New Age term. The bible does not use the word karma. Its roots are in Buddhism, along with reincarnation. Anyway, seems "Elf" is doing to us what he is accusing all of us as doing - criticizing. Just add the word "blessings" and that makes it all okay? :unsure:

[RainyNiteNTx]

A waiting period, that's what Im asking about. In MI Drew Peterson cannot divorce stacy, as she is unaccounted for as is Nicholas. I myself do believe that Nicholas's reputation and standing even amongst his friends has been tainted, in the most slanderous way. Drew Peterson also engaged in this type of behavior. It's not pretty to watch.

So my question is; is there a waiting period and does WA state allow you to divorce your spouse whilst they are the subject of a state wide, nation wide investigation. OR, is this case closed, NF is safe and has been located?

I've been curious about this as well. I do know in the Lynn Stafford case, no body was found yet her husband had a memorial for her. Geez - do you think a memorial will be next for Nicholas?

[RainyNiteNTx]

It would appear this support site was not provided notice of CF's appearance on KIRO for the 1yr missing video interview either before or after its airing.
jmo


...and no notice of her marriage I'm assuming since it was not mentioned either.

[Musterion]

A waiting period, that's what Im asking about. In MI Drew Peterson cannot divorce stacy, as she is unaccounted for as is Nicholas. I myself do believe that Nicholas's reputation and standing even amongst his friends has been tainted, in the most slanderous way. Drew Peterson also engaged in this type of behavior. It's not pretty to watch.

So my question is; is there a waiting period and does WA state allow you to divorce your spouse whilst they are the subject of a state wide, nation wide investigation. OR, is this case closed, NF is safe and has been located?

Hi bug!

"The waiting period for a dissolution of marriage in Washington state is three months. This means the summons and petition must be filed with the court and served upon the other spouse for more than 90 days before the judge signs the decree."

http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/pamphlets/Dissolution.htm


"If the Respondent for one reason or another cannot or will not be located, the Petitioner must then file a Declaration of Service by Publication, which attests to his or her efforts to locate the missing spouse. The Petitioner must then prepare an Order for Service by Publication, which permits him or her to serve notice by publication of the Summons in a newspaper. Normally, the Summons for Publication is then printed once a week for six consecutive weeks. The Summons for Publication gives the Respondent 60 days from the date of first publication to respond. If the missing spouse fails to respond, the action moves as a default."

http://www.divorcesupport.com/divorce/Washington-Uncontested-Divorce-3563.html

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

(highlighted by me)
Why would anyone sincerely interested in finding a missing person select and choose what she told and who she told it to?

It is one of the strangest things anyone has ever said to me. It is like she is admitting that she manipulates information, dispensing it here or there at her will.

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

...and no notice of her marriage I'm assuming since it was not mentioned either.

Maybe someone needs to enlighten those supporters?

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

If there were proof that it was in any way something detremental to this case, he wouldn't still be listed as "missing" by WA state. I said, actually that there isn't any proof of adultery, a "secret life" or anything like that in this case to date. I see the order for support :D
The states Im familiar with don't let you divorce a "missing" spouse.
After 7 years you can severe your finances and have someone declared "dead" and in this case there is just something missing.

Does WA state have a 6 mos period which makes the Date of May 4 the final day making the divorce final legally on that date? I only know a tad about WA state divorce law. I know that others have emailed LE to make sure his case is still open, and that he is still missing and unaccounted for. I believe their reply is the same, he is missing. I don't see the final decree for divorce yet. Only the date in May. Maybe if Nicholas is alive, he will show up on that date.


I am not sure what that laws in the state are as far as divorcing a missing person. I guess I am assuming that it is possible, since SHE did it. It seems that she didn't have to prove anything about his disappearance.. I didn't see any affidavits from LE stating where they thought he was.. but then, that could be something that they seal. I don't know.

There is a 90 waiting period for anyone filing for divorce in WA state... the "cooling off" period.

The date in May is when she filed the divorce papers. She then had the 90 day waiting period before it could be final and she was on bedrest at that time so the date was pushed off some. The date that the divorce became final was the 9/17/2008.. I think it was the 17th.. or whatever date is on there in September.

[MystryPhobia]

Hi bug!

"The waiting period for a dissolution of marriage in Washington state is three months. This means the summons and petition must be filed with the court and served upon the other spouse for more than 90 days before the judge signs the decree."

http://www.wsba.org/media/publications/pamphlets/Dissolution.htm


"If the Respondent for one reason or another cannot or will not be located, the Petitioner must then file a Declaration of Service by Publication, which attests to his or her efforts to locate the missing spouse. The Petitioner must then prepare an Order for Service by Publication, which permits him or her to serve notice by publication of the Summons in a newspaper. Normally, the Summons for Publication is then printed once a week for six consecutive weeks. The Summons for Publication gives the Respondent 60 days from the date of first publication to respond. If the missing spouse fails to respond, the action moves as a default."

http://www.divorcesupport.com/divorce/Washington-Uncontested-Divorce-3563.html

IMO.
M.

LOL Guess I shoulda read further before posting. :thumbsup:

[MystryPhobia]

It is one of the strangest things anyone has ever said to me. It is like she is admitting that she manipulates information, dispensing it here or there at her will.

JMO.
M.

That really bothers me!:huh:

[MystryPhobia]

Since you bring up these questions, I would like to know where "karma" is mentioned in the Bible.

There is the law of sowing and reaping. And the Golden Rule 'Do unto others". But, karma is a New Age term. The bible does not use the word karma. Its roots are in Buddhism, along with reincarnation. Anyway, seems "Elf" is doing to us what he is accusing all of us as doing - criticizing. Just add the word "blessings" and that makes it all okay? :unsure:

ITA :biggrin:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Photo Identification Considerations
http://books.google.com/books?id=EHWk-ajleK0C&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=positive+id+from+photo+array&source=bl&ots=OzT5OZJ6oH&sig=Q903OYywpyKtF9csN9_2hfSB6UE&hl=en&ei=aG_2SYuUAovKMJqgnLUP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PPA113,M1

[Musterion]

The date in May is when she filed the divorce papers. She then had the 90 day waiting period before it could be final and she was on bedrest at that time so the date was pushed off some. The date that the divorce became final was the 9/17/2008.. I think it was the 17th.. or whatever date is on there in September.
(snipped for space)

When I read this paragraph it struck me. When did Christine ever find time to meet the man she just married.

Here is a timeline:

-13 February 2008 Wednesday, Nicholas goes missing
-28 May 2008 Wednesday, 15 weeks later, Christine files for divorce
-18 June 2008 Wednesday, Started strict bed rest
-31 August 2008 Sunday, baby was born 6 weeks early by emergency c-section
-17 September 2008 Wednesday, Final Divorce Decree
-15 April 2008 Wednesday, Marriage Application purchased

Either Christine knew Brent before Nicholas went missing. Or she married someone she only knew for a few months.

And how did she meet him? Most of this last year she was either moving, getting settled, filing for divorce, having a difficult pregnancy for months, on bed rest for the entire summer, having a difficult delivery, baby in hospital from being six weeks early, coming home with the baby and healing from a c-section, getting settled with a newborn and many sleepless nights (usually), doctor and pediatrician appointments.

Did they meet before Nicholas went missing? Meet on line? It doesn't add up to me. Anyone else?

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Photo Identification Considerations
http://books.google.com/books?id=EHWk-ajleK0C&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=positive+id+from+photo+array&source=bl&ots=OzT5OZJ6oH&sig=Q903OYywpyKtF9csN9_2hfSB6UE&hl=en&ei=aG_2SYuUAovKMJqgnLUP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2#PPA113,M1

Thank you for that Cury. Hm.

IMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

(snipped for space)

When I read this paragraph it struck me. When did Christine ever find time to meet the man she just married.

Here is a timeline:

-13 February 2008 Wednesday, Nicholas goes missing
-28 May 2008 Wednesday, 15 weeks later, Christine files for divorce
-18 June 2008 Wednesday, Started strict bed rest
-31 August 2008 Sunday, baby was born 6 weeks early by emergency c-section
-17 September 2008 Wednesday, Final Divorce Decree
-15 April 2008 Wednesday, Marriage Application purchased

Either Christine knew Brent before Nicholas went missing. Or she married someone she only knew for a few months.

And how did she meet him? Most of this last year she was either moving, getting settled, filing for divorce, having a difficult pregnancy for months, on bed rest for the entire summer, having a difficult delivery, baby in hospital from being six weeks early, coming home with the baby and healing from a c-section, getting settled with a newborn and many sleepless nights (usually), doctor and pediatrician appointments.

Did they meet before Nicholas went missing? Meet on line? It doesn't add up to me. Anyone else?

JMO.
M.

Why couldn't they have just been friends before Nicholas went missing? I can see how it was possible that she knew him through church and maybe even that he helped her through some of the problems she had during the last year. Doesn't mean anything was going on while she was still married.

BTW the marriage application was April 2009

[CaresForKids]

Why couldn't they have just been friends before Nicholas went missing? I can see how it was possible that she knew him through church and maybe even that he helped her through some of the problems she had during the last year. Doesn't mean anything was going on while she was still married.

BTW the marriage application was April 2009

Why hasn't that woman been nominated for sainthood? It's so beyond my wildest wonder! :laugh:

[SilverDove]

Why hasn't that woman been nominated for sainthood? It's so beyond my wildest wonder! :laugh:

Yes, I know she really should be thrown in jail and the key thrown away because her husband vanished. How could she not stay in mourning till the kids were grown. The horror that she didn't put them in day care and get a job and then spend the money searching for Nicholas.

[CaresForKids]

Yes, I know she really should be thrown in jail and the key thrown away because her husband vanished. How could she not stay in mourning till the kids were grown. The horror that she didn't put them in day care and get a job and then spend the money searching for Nicholas.

Well now, you're finally coming to your senses. :rolleyes:

[Musterion]

Why couldn't they have just been friends before Nicholas went missing? I can see how it was possible that she knew him through church and maybe even that he helped her through some of the problems she had during the last year. Doesn't mean anything was going on while she was still married.

BTW the marriage application was April 2009

In and of itself, yes, I would agree with you. It might be innocent.

However, in a missing person's case I would say that it is highly suspect. Something that should be questioned, investigated and explored. Especially, when the ex wife has been caught in inconsistencies and lies.

And, thank you for the correction for the date of marriage application. You are right.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Yes, I know she really should be thrown in jail and the key thrown away because her husband vanished. How could she not stay in mourning till the kids were grown. The horror that she didn't put them in day care and get a job and then spend the money searching for Nicholas.

No one, SD, IMO, is investigating Christine solely because her husband vanished.

People are questioning and investigating Christine's actions, words and behaviours because her husband went missing and what she says and does does not add up.

IMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

Well now, you're finally coming to your senses. :rolleyes:

Yes, she should really be more like you. Aways working no matter how hard it may be and never asking for anything. :rolleyes:

[CaresForKids]

Yes, she should really be more like you. Aways working no matter how hard it may be and never asking for anything. :rolleyes:

Yes, you've got the idea! Now run with it, girl and keep on going! :tonguewag:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Why couldn't they have just been friends before Nicholas went missing? I can see how it was possible that she knew him through church and maybe even that he helped her through some of the problems she had during the last year. Doesn't mean anything was going on while she was still married.

BTW the marriage application was April 2009

Is Mars Hills pentecostal? If so, then maybe she did meet him through church- maybe he was a guest speaker or something?

[n/t]

I wonder if the new husband knew Nicholas? Maybe they were friends?

Remember at the beginning of the case, some of us wondered why Nicholas and Christine resigned from Mars Hill. Some speculated that perhaps they wanted to start their own congregation or whatever it's called. Isn't it ironic that she marries a pastor? One has to question whether this is something she wanted all along? Maybe Nicholas wanted nothing to do with it but this is something SHE wanted?

Not sure how this all fits in or not.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I wonder if the new husband knew Nicholas? Maybe they were friends?

Remember at the beginning of the case, some of us wondered why Nicholas and Christine resigned from Mars Hill. Some speculated that perhaps they wanted to start their own congregation or whatever it's called. Isn't it ironic that she marries a pastor? One has to question whether this is something she wanted all along? Maybe Nicholas wanted nothing to do with it but this is something SHE wanted?

Not sure how this all fits in or not.

Hey n/t
I do remember Christine not wanting to discuss MH or the resignation at all. She seemed to not want any affiliation with them as an ETSY thread had to be redone because it made mention of them. From what I understand, MH continued to be supportive of her in spite of her actions towards them. MO

[huskiki]

In and of itself, yes, I would agree with you. It might be innocent.

However, in a missing person's case I would say that it is highly suspect. Something that should be questioned, investigated and explored. Especially, when the ex wife has been caught in inconsistencies and lies.

And, thank you for the correction for the date of marriage application. You are right.

IMO.
M.

I agree 100%.

Drew Peterson is all I have to say.

[Postergeist]

Why hasn't that woman been nominated for sainthood? It's so beyond my wildest wonder! :laugh:

Maybe their Book has some chapters missing- however, divorce and remarriage were mentioned way back when...

http://www.reformedspokane.org/Doctrine_pages/Jesus%20Said/Jesus_Said_Articles/Jesus_Said31.html

but I don't doubt there will be those that will judge what He said about all that.

So, imo- that leaves her out of qualifying for "sainthood".

old interview with CF-

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:w0fh4T0g4kkJ:www.komonews.com/news/15682797.html+christine+francisco+possible+sightin gs&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I am begging everybody, begging everybody to please, please help me find my husband because I cannot live my life without him," she said.

[inv]

Is this CF's way of telling us her new realtionship is a "perfect match"?

This is the first photo she posted to JPG since her new marriage was confirmed:
http://www.jpgmag.com/photos/1622320

[Shelby1]

(snipped for space)

When I read this paragraph it struck me. When did Christine ever find time to meet the man she just married.

Here is a timeline:

-13 February 2008 Wednesday, Nicholas goes missing
-28 May 2008 Wednesday, 15 weeks later, Christine files for divorce
-18 June 2008 Wednesday, Started strict bed rest
-31 August 2008 Sunday, baby was born 6 weeks early by emergency c-section
-17 September 2008 Wednesday, Final Divorce Decree
-15 April 2008 Wednesday, Marriage Application purchased

Either Christine knew Brent before Nicholas went missing. Or she married someone she only knew for a few months.

And how did she meet him? Most of this last year she was either moving, getting settled, filing for divorce, having a difficult pregnancy for months, on bed rest for the entire summer, having a difficult delivery, baby in hospital from being six weeks early, coming home with the baby and healing from a c-section, getting settled with a newborn and many sleepless nights (usually), doctor and pediatrician appointments.

Did they meet before Nicholas went missing? Meet on line? It doesn't add up to me. Anyone else?

JMO.
M.

All good points.......

IMO she knew him before Nicholas went missing.

[carterkatt]

All good points.......

IMO she knew him before Nicholas went missing.


Betcha you're right...:thumbup:

[inv]

Here are some thoughts from one of NF's co-workers:
http://thegooddeath.blogspot.com/2008/02/you-cannot-not-communicate.html

[inv]

A myspace blog posted about Nicholas Francisco.

"He called his wife when he was leaving work to say he was stopping off at a grocery store on his way home and then never showed. I can't stress enough how strange this is and how absolutely out of character this is."

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=67733912&blogId=359767241

[n/t]

A myspace blog posted about Nicholas Francisco.

"He called his wife when he was leaving work to say he was stopping off at a grocery store on his way home and then never showed. I can't stress enough how strange this is and how absolutely out of character this is."

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=67733912&blogId=359767241


I remember that. :sad:

[inv]

A list of facts, from CF's perspective (note the obvious disgust):

I am so tired of people not having the facts straight. So here i will list all the facts.

*Nicholas went missing 2/13/08
*I spoke to him at 6PM on his work phone as i had throughout that day.
*He had to sign off on a project at work
*A co-worker saw him leave the building at 6:10PM - he never said he was going to safeway that was speculation on the co-workers part based on him saying he need to “go up here” as he pointed up the hill towards his car. the co-worker really did just assume he was going to safeway and had no basis for that assumption.
*He would have parked on the street not in a parking lot.
*No one saw him get in his car or drive away.
*His cell phone battery was dead all day, confirmed by co-workers
*Nicholas NEVER had an iPhone. if you pay attention to the date the photo on flicker was taken is was long before the iPhone came out. Nicholas even states it’s a joke in the caption.
*He was going to costco in tukwila to get a bag of organic sugar (a specific kind needed for other purposes than just cookies)
*He is not believed by police to ever have made it to costco
*His car was found monday 2/18 at a condo complex in Federal Way, 30 min south of our home.
*His cell phone is his phone but got a discount through work.
*he always carries his laptop with him in a gray sleeve and then puts that into his orange and gray messenger bag.
*police have not walked away from the case at all. there is no evidence pointing to him running off or of foul play so they will keep looking.
*he did not have any credit cards on him and there is no activity on his email or bank accounts
*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.
*we used to own a jeep wrangler but not anymore.
*He was NEVER seen at a public storage. the original lead was mis-told the media. the truth is someone at the public storage saw a car drive by that looked like his.
*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.
*I never asked for donations. two days after his disappearance etsy friends started putting funds into my paypal account. 5 days after he disappeared friends and family and STRANGERS asked that someone open an account for donations. I do after all have a house to pay for and two kids to provide for not to mention my unborn baby to care for as well. As for my businesses they bring in enough to recoup costs and pay for needed supplies like fabric. so no my businesses cannot in anyway support me or my kids.

so if the info isn’t listed on here then it just is a rumor and should be treated as such. also i will not address anything that doesn’t pertain to the case but of course this is my blog and I will post what i choose.

[inv]

From an interview with the Seattle Times.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008003484_missingman18m.html

"You can't sit and hide in a corner your whole life, especially if you have kids. His disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning; the bills need to be paid."

Christine Francisco filed for divorce on May 28, citing "willful abandonment that continues for an extended period of time." She also cites the Revised Code of Washington referring to a "history of acts of domestic violence or an assault or sexual assault, which causes grievous bodily harm or the fear of such harm" under a section requesting restrictions on Nicholas Francisco's access to their children.

Is 3 months really an extended period of time, especially knowing that the respondent is missing, location unknown?

It just amazes me that someone can make such accusations and get away with it when the other party can't defend themselves. According to public records online, there haven't been any cases in Washington State involving Nicholas Francisco committing domestic violence or sexual assault. It's very surprising that CF was granted this divorce citing these reasons.

[MystryPhobia]

From an interview with the Seattle Times.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008003484_missingman18m.html

"You can't sit and hide in a corner your whole life, especially if you have kids. His disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning; the bills need to be paid."

Christine Francisco filed for divorce on May 28, citing "willful abandonment that continues for an extended period of time." She also cites the Revised Code of Washington referring to a "history of acts of domestic violence or an assault or sexual assault, which causes grievous bodily harm or the fear of such harm" under a section requesting restrictions on Nicholas Francisco's access to their children.

Is 3 months really an extended period of time, especially knowing that the respondent is missing, location unknown?

It just amazes me that someone can make such accusations and get away with it when the other party can't defend themselves. According to public records online, there haven't been any cases in Washington State involving Nicholas Francisco committing domestic violence or sexual assault. It's very surprising that CF was granted this divorce citing these reasons.

She was not granted the divorce on those grounds. This is a no fault state.

She wanted a restraining order. I am pretty sure why that was put that in there. It had nothing to do with getting the divorce since she would have been granted one without it.

Not saying this about Christine in particular but in response to your statement about there being no state cases or records of domestic violence. Just because someone doesn't call the police.. doesn't mean that they weren't abused. In fact.. most women DO NOT call the police and there is never ANY record of the abuse except on the heart and body of the person being abused!! If and when they do ask for help.. the fact that they haven't called, shouldn't be held against them and used as proof that their abuser is not an abuser. JMHO

[inv]

Brent Carter romoved his profile pic on myspace. Guess he wants to lay low.

http://www.myspace.com/preacha28

[inv]

She was not granted the divorce on those grounds. This is a no fault state.

She wanted a restraining order. I am pretty sure why that was put that in there. It had nothing to do with getting the divorce since she would have been granted one without it.

Not saying this about Christine in particular but in response to your statement about there being no state cases or records of domestic violence. Just because someone doesn't call the police.. doesn't mean that they weren't abused. In fact.. most women DO NOT call the police and there is never ANY record of the abuse except on the heart and body of the person being abused!! If and when they do ask for help.. the fact that they haven't called, shouldn't be held against them and used as proof that their abuser is not an abuser. JMHO

Chrsitine used the abuse/sexual assualt allegations to limit Nicholas' access to the kids, did she not?

[MystryPhobia]

Chrsitine used the abuse/sexual assualt allegations to limit Nicholas' access to the kids, did she not?

You stated:
It just amazes me that someone can make such accusations and get away with it when the other party can't defend themselves. According to public records online, there haven't been any cases in Washington State involving Nicholas Francisco committing domestic violence or sexual assault. It's very surprising that CF was granted this divorce citing these reasons.

She didn't get the divorce citing those reasons. She stated what she did as a basis for a restraining order for her AND the children.

People make accusations like this all of the time in divorce proceedings. Yes, he didn't defend himself but how do you know 100% that he "can't"? As LE has always stated. There is no proof he is alive. There is no proof that he is dead. It could go either way. If he is dead then he couldn't. If he is alive then he could have and chose not to, for whatever reason.

Either way.. A KCSC judge decided that it was legitimate reasons for him to order the restraining order... at the time. The unknown can be very scary.. and since I am sure that since they don't know what happened to him.. we don't know what he could possibly do, if he is alive. I think it is reasonable for her to have a restraining order to protect herself. I am sure if he is alive and comes back.. then he can take that back up with the court and she could have a fight on her hands.. whether she likes it or not. If he is dead then I am not sure what difference it would make then.

[CaresForKids]

I am begging everybody, begging everybody to please, please help me find my husband because I cannot live my life without him," she said.



Looks to me like she absolutely CAN!

[Cury-us Coyote]

You stated:
It just amazes me that someone can make such accusations and get away with it when the other party can't defend themselves. According to public records online, there haven't been any cases in Washington State involving Nicholas Francisco committing domestic violence or sexual assault. It's very surprising that CF was granted this divorce citing these reasons.

She didn't get the divorce citing those reasons. She stated what she did as a basis for a restraining order for her AND the children.

People make accusations like this all of the time in divorce proceedings. Yes, he didn't defend himself but how do you know 100% that he "can't"? As LE has always stated. There is no proof he is alive. There is no proof that he is dead. It could go either way. If he is dead then he couldn't. If he is alive then he could have and chose not to, for whatever reason.

Either way.. A KCSC judge decided that it was legitimate reasons for him to order the restraining order... at the time. The unknown can be very scary.. and since I am sure that since they don't know what happened to him.. we don't know what he could possibly do, if he is alive. I think it is reasonable for her to have a restraining order to protect herself. I am sure if he is alive and comes back.. then he can take that back up with the court and she could have a fight on her hands.. whether she likes it or not. If he is dead then I am not sure what difference it would make then.

Bolded for reference. Have you considered the Francisco children may later read the court documents?

[Cury-us Coyote]

(snipped for space)

When I read this paragraph it struck me. When did Christine ever find time to meet the man she just married.

Here is a timeline:

-13 February 2008 Wednesday, Nicholas goes missing
-28 May 2008 Wednesday, 15 weeks later, Christine files for divorce
-18 June 2008 Wednesday, Started strict bed rest
-31 August 2008 Sunday, baby was born 6 weeks early by emergency c-section
-17 September 2008 Wednesday, Final Divorce Decree
-15 April 2008 Wednesday, Marriage Application purchased

Either Christine knew Brent before Nicholas went missing. Or she married someone she only knew for a few months.

And how did she meet him? Most of this last year she was either moving, getting settled, filing for divorce, having a difficult pregnancy for months, on bed rest for the entire summer, having a difficult delivery, baby in hospital from being six weeks early, coming home with the baby and healing from a c-section, getting settled with a newborn and many sleepless nights (usually), doctor and pediatrician appointments.

Did they meet before Nicholas went missing? Meet on line? It doesn't add up to me. Anyone else?

JMO.
M.

Perhaps CF met her soulmate at the courthouse???
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

[SeattleEddie]

ooooooh! very innnneresting!

[Musterion]

Is this CF's way of telling us her new realtionship is a "perfect match"?

This is the first photo she posted to JPG since her new marriage was confirmed:
http://www.jpgmag.com/photos/1622320

I thought the same thing, too, when I saw that.

All I keep thinking is while Christine was off honeymooning, drinking champagne, kicking her shoes off and running through the sand, happy as a clam at high tide, Nicholas is probably a pile of scattered bones near the Green River. And, I think of what an injustice that, more than likely, has been done to him. And to his children.

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Chrsitine used the abuse/sexual assualt allegations to limit Nicholas' access to the kids, did she not?

I believe so.

Last April she told me that, a few months before Nicholas went missing, he hit her. He cried and apologized but later made her feel like she was over reacting. She, also, said that around that time he had started being extremely rough with the children, so much so that she felt she had to step in. She said that these things are documented by a professional.

JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

A professional what? Wrestler? Sea Monkey trainer? Hairstylist? :scared:

[inv]

I believe so.

Last April she told me that, a few months before Nicholas went missing, he hit her. He cried and apologized but later made her feel like she was over reacting. She, also, said that around that time he had started being extremely rough with the children, so much so that she felt she had to step in. She said that these things are documented by a professional.

JMO.
M.

So I can't help but question, was she lying to you about the aggressive behavior, or was she lying to the media when she said that everything was fine at home? Her stories are very inconsistent, imo. Of course, if NF was abusive, CF should have stepped in.

[CaresForKids]

If there was documented child abuse by a "professional", whether it was a doctor, nurse or therapist, it is state law that they report this abuse to local LE. It's mandatory. There were no abuse incidents reported according to KCSO.

[Musterion]

Couple: Christine A. Francisco & Brent J. Carter
Event Date: April 18, 2009
Event Location: Mount Vernon, WA

http://www.target.com/registry/wedding/1ZAL17O9AQJLN?itemFilterPurchase=&itemFilterChannel=&itemSortOption=&itemPage=1

She and Nicholas got married in Mount Vernon, her home town, as well.

JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

I believe so.

Last April she told me that, a few months before Nicholas went missing, he hit her. He cried and apologized but later made her feel like she was over reacting. She, also, said that around that time he had started being extremely rough with the children, so much so that she felt she had to step in. She said that these things are documented by a professional.

JMO.
M.

She simply felt she had to or she actually did?

[Musterion]

If there was documented child abuse by a "professional", whether it was a doctor, nurse or therapist, it is state law that they report this abuse to local LE. It's mandatory. There were no abuse incidents reported according to KCSO.

I hadn't even thought of that Cares. But, that is true.

I wonder, though, if it was a Mars Hill lay counselour if that would be applicable. Or a Pastor. Professional isn't usually used, though, for a lay counselour or Pastor, usually.

[inv]

Couple: Christine A. Francisco & Brent J. Carter
Event Date: April 18, 2009
Event Location: Mount Vernon, WA

http://www.target.com/registry/wedding/1ZAL17O9AQJLN?itemFilterPurchase=&itemFilterChannel=&itemSortOption=&itemPage=1

She and Nicholas got married in Mount Vernon, her home town, as well.

JMO.
M.

Thanks Musterion, great work!

[CaresForKids]

Couple: Christine A. Francisco & Brent J. Carter
Event Date: April 18, 2009
Event Location: Mount Vernon, WA

http://www.target.com/registry/wedding/1ZAL17O9AQJLN?itemFilterPurchase=&itemFilterChannel=&itemSortOption=&itemPage=1

She and Nicholas got married in Mount Vernon, her home town, as well.

JMO.
M.

How sad...nothing on her list was purchased for them.

[MystryPhobia]

Perhaps CF met her soulmate at the courthouse???
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

What does this mean? I see nothing for a Brent Carter in King County?

[CaresForKids]

What does this mean? I see nothing for a Brent Carter in King County?

That's because he was in Kitsap Co.

[Musterion]

How sad...nothing on her list was purchased for them.

I noticed!

Seeing her name listed on that gift registry, Francisco, just, well......How sad.

IMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Bolded for reference. Have you considered the Francisco children may later read the court documents?

Umm.. not sure why this is directed at me. I have no control over what is in the official record with the court.

I do know that if my spouse went missing and I honestly had no idea where he went to.. but then found out he was engaged in activities with other people and he was a person that I didn't feel that I knew, at all.. that there could be a chance that he left us and is out there somewhere.. I could see moving, divorcing him and being fearful enough to want some legal order to protect myself and my children. I don't think under those circumstances that is being unreasonable. Granted.. I am going with the idea that she was completely in the dark about it all and innocent of anything to do with the disappearance.

That is if you

[MystryPhobia]

That's because he was in Kitsap Co.

I am confused then.. how did she meet him at the courthouse?

[Musterion]

That's because he was in Kitsap Co.

Hm. What I got was Bremerton Municipal.

Carter, Brent Jonothan
Defendant Bremerton Municipal 423910 04-13-2009

I don't know what it means, though. What it was for..

JMO.
M.

[CaresForKids]

I am confused then.. how did she meet him at the courthouse?

Ran into him in the corridors maybe? I don't know.

[CaresForKids]

Hm. What I got was Bremerton Municipal.

Carter, Brent Jonothan
Defendant Bremerton Municipal 423910 04-13-2009

I don't know what it means, though. What it was for..

JMO.
M.

There was one in Kitsap Co. The judgement was against him for some sort of financial thing with his restaurant. I think it was under Brent Carter. I'll have to go look again.

[MystryPhobia]

Couple: Christine A. Francisco & Brent J. Carter
Event Date: April 18, 2009
Event Location: Mount Vernon, WA

http://www.target.com/registry/wedding/1ZAL17O9AQJLN?itemFilterPurchase=&itemFilterChannel=&itemSortOption=&itemPage=1

She and Nicholas got married in Mount Vernon, her home town, as well.

JMO.
M.

But.. they didn't get married in Mt. Vernon.. that is Skagit County.

Maybe she did it in case people found it.. they wouldn't know where she was getting married.

[CaresForKids]

Here it is:

Superior Court Case Summary


Court: Kitsap Superior
Case Number: 01-9-01354-5

Sub Docket Date Docket Code Docket Description Misc Info
04-13-2001 DFJG
Default Judgment In Favor Of Leasecomm
And Against Brent Carter Dba Papa Bears
Eats
Principal
Costs
Attorney Fees
Total Judgment - $6279.88
Interest @ 12% Per Annum

[MystryPhobia]

Ran into him in the corridors maybe? I don't know.

Why would she be in the corridors of Kitsap County courthouse?

I am still confused.

Bremerton is a good hour ferry ride from Seattle.. 4 hour drive!

I don't get how she could have met him in the courthouse in Kitsap County??

[MystryPhobia]

Here it is:

Superior Court Case Summary


Court: Kitsap Superior
Case Number: 01-9-01354-5

Sub Docket Date Docket Code Docket Description Misc Info
04-13-2001 DFJG
Default Judgment In Favor Of Leasecomm
And Against Brent Carter Dba Papa Bears
Eats
Principal
Costs
Attorney Fees
Total Judgment - $6279.88
Interest @ 12% Per Annum


I thought the restraining order for DV was more interesting.. IMO

[CaresForKids]

Why would she be in the corridors of Kitsap County courthouse?

I am still confused.

Bremerton is a good hour ferry ride from Seattle.. 4 hour drive!

I don't get how she could have met him in the courthouse in Kitsap County??

How would I know? I didn't put that theory out there!

[CaresForKids]

I thought the restraining order for DV was more interesting.. IMO

I don't find DV interesting. I find it horrific and sad.

[inv]

Hm. What I got was Bremerton Municipal.

Carter, Brent Jonothan
Defendant Bremerton Municipal 423910 04-13-2009

I don't know what it means, though. What it was for..

JMO.
M.

This was a traffic violation. If you search by the case number, you get the bigger summary.

[MystryPhobia]

I don't find DV interesting. I find it horrific and sad.

I was just saying.. I would find a restraining order for DV (since she has children) more interesting then some judgement against him for a debt. Which I doubt is even his.. but probably more like his father's.

But.. the restraining order is in Thurston County and not sure if he lived there or not.

No proof any of them are him really.

Still not sure what CuC meant by her meeting him in the halls at the courthouse tho.. unless she just wanted people to look up his name.

[inv]

Brent was in the military at some point, according to Intellius. (note the FPO address)

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&qf=brent&qmi=&qn=carter&qs=WA&trackit=74

[CaresForKids]

I was just saying.. I would find a restraining order for DV (since she has children) more interesting then some judgement against him for a debt. Which I doubt is even his.. but probably more like his father's.

But.. the restraining order is in Thurston County and not sure if he lived there or not.

No proof any of them are him really.

Still not sure what CuC meant by her meeting him in the halls at the courthouse tho.. unless she just wanted people to look up his name.

Why couldn't the debt be his? These people aren't above reproach or doing immoral or unjust things. He claimed to have owned the restaurant (I can't remember which now deleted page I read that on though) so why would the debt be his father's and not his...especially since it is in his name?

And yeah, I am sure CuC just said that in jest so people would look up the records.

[Musterion]

But.. they didn't get married in Mt. Vernon.. that is Skagit County.

Maybe she did it in case people found it.. they wouldn't know where she was getting married.

Why did you think they got married somewhere other than Skagit County?

JMO.
M.

[Musterion]

I was just saying.. I would find a restraining order for DV (since she has children) more interesting then some judgement against him for a debt. Which I doubt is even his.. but probably more like his father's.

But.. the restraining order is in Thurston County and not sure if he lived there or not.

No proof any of them are him really.

Still not sure what CuC meant by her meeting him in the halls at the courthouse tho.. unless she just wanted people to look up his name.

I'm not seeing a restraining order for him. ???

His middle name is spelled Jonothan.

IMO.
M.

[inv]

Why couldn't the debt be his? These people aren't above reproach or doing immoral or unjust things. He claimed to have owned the restaurant (I can't remember which now deleted page I read that on though) so why would the debt be his father's and not his...especially since it is in his name?

And yeah, I am sure CuC just said that in jest so people would look up the records.

Papa Bears Eats was located on the same street in Bremerton as his Joy Pentacostal Church...
http://www.littleengine.com/biz/papa-bears-eats
http://www.freewebs.com/joypentecostalcrossing/locateus.htm

I assume the restaurant belonged to Christine's Brent.

[Musterion]

Brent was in the military at some point, according to Intellius. (note the FPO address)

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&qf=brent&qmi=&qn=carter&qs=WA&trackit=74

Interesting. I wonder if he has children?

JMO.
M.

[inv]

Interesting. I wonder if he has children?

JMO.
M.

The Brent and Megan Carter in the court links above had kids, but I can't find any kids for Brent Jonothan Carter.

[MystryPhobia]

Why did you think they got married somewhere other than Skagit County?

JMO.
M.

They got the marriage license in Kitsap County. Don't you have to marry in the county of the license?

[inv]

Intellius shows a Pheonix, AZ address for C's Brent Carter. Arizona court records show that Brent J. Carter's license was suspended for failure to appear.

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/

[MystryPhobia]

Why couldn't the debt be his? These people aren't above reproach or doing immoral or unjust things. He claimed to have owned the restaurant (I can't remember which now deleted page I read that on though) so why would the debt be his father's and not his...especially since it is in his name?

And yeah, I am sure CuC just said that in jest so people would look up the records.


I think I was mistaken. I was reading somewhere and thought that he was a jr and that his father's name was also Brent Carter.. there seemed to be two of them. I don't know.. now I am confusing myself. Can't keep it all straight.

Still that he was sued when he was 22 yo. Which means the restaurant was started sometime before that.. seemed young, I guess. That with the name thing.. I figured it was his dad.

[inv]

Nicholas Francisco's Amazon.com wishlist?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html?ie=UTF8&type=wishlist&id=PSW0PAZR5BRK

[inv]

Christine Francisco's Amazon.com wishlist, :ohmy:

http://www.amazon.com/Christine-Francisco/wishlist/PK2AQJTQHK52/ref=cm_wl_search

[Musterion]

They got the marriage license in Kitsap County. Don't you have to marry in the county of the license?

Hey M.,

No, I don't believe you do.

Is that why you thought they didn't marry in Mt. Vernon?

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Christine Francisco's Amazon.com wishlist, :ohmy:

http://www.amazon.com/Christine-Francisco/wishlist/PK2AQJTQHK52/ref=cm_wl_search

Why so shocked?

[inv]

Why so shocked?

No reason, really. I found some of her selections interesting. For example:

Clinician's Guide to PTSD: A Cognitive-Behavioral Approach

Parenting Isn't for Cowards: The 'You Can Do It' Guide for Hassled Parents from America's Best-Loved Family A dvocate

[Musterion]

Nicholas Francisco's Amazon.com wishlist?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html?ie=UTF8&type=wishlist&id=PSW0PAZR5BRK

Oh wow, Inv. That is a great find. We missed it this whole last year when we were searching for information about him.

You'd better get a print out or screen shots, though. Because once Christine reads on here tonight, I'm sure it'll be gone.

JMO.
M.

[Cury-us Coyote]

They got the marriage license in Kitsap County. Don't you have to marry in the county of the license?

IIRC, didn't Nicholas and Christine apply for their marriage license in King County and marry in Skagit County?

[MystryPhobia]

Hmmm interesting. I think getting a marriage license is just that, there is no record yet of a marriage, or am I reading the div documents wrong?

I do not understand how you can divorce someone who is missing, under very mysterious circumstances. I can see trying to divorce someone but from her press conferences, i thought she loved him and their marriage was fine.
There are too many lies put out there in this case.

Nicholas Francisco needs to put out a statement if he is alive, so that the state of WA and his family can rest.
He most certainly doesn't have to tell anyone where he is either.

To not, is just cruel. Unless of course, he is unable because he's dead. There is a seal on the records regarding abuse. But, again, these are allegations. Made by the spouse of a missing man. Remember Melanie McGuire and what she did after Bill went "missing"...

She went straight to court and claimed abuse, claimed he shoved a dryer sheet in her mouth and hit her. Drama that in the end bit her in the butt.

I am only seeing the marriage application.. no marriage license has been filed yet. That is showing up anyway.

[inv]

Oh wow, Inv. That is a great find. We missed it this whole last year when we were searching for information about him.

You'd better get a print out or screen shots, though. Because once Christine reads on here tonight, I'm sure it'll be gone.

JMO.
M.

I thought the same thing Musterion, lol.

[Musterion]

Christine Francisco's Amazon.com wishlist, :ohmy:

http://www.amazon.com/Christine-Francisco/wishlist/PK2AQJTQHK52/ref=cm_wl_search

PTSD? A month before Nicholas goes missing?

IMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

IIRC, didn't Nicholas and Christine apply for their marriage license in King County and marry in Skagit County?
I don't see a license or application for them in King County but I did just read that you can get your license in what ever county is most convenient and get married anywhere in the state.

[inv]

PTSD? A month before Nicholas goes missing?

IMO.
M.

Yeah, and the Hassled Parent book was from 2 years before he went missing when Zea was like, 2yo?

[MystryPhobia]

PTSD? A month before Nicholas goes missing?

IMO.
M.

Actually that was more than a year before he went missing, I think. Jan 2007

[Musterion]

IIRC, didn't Nicholas and Christine apply for their marriage license in King County and marry in Skagit County?

You're right, Cury.

"Q. What are the residency requirements for Washington?

A. None. You do not have to be a previous or current resident of Washington to obtain a marriage license that is valid statewide."

From Weddingvendors.com

IMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Yeah, and the Hassled Parent book was from 2 years before he went missing when Zea was like, 2yo?

So what?

There is also a cookbook! Maybe she was going to poison him.

OOOH and how to photograph children.. maybe she is a pedophile.

OMG.. seriously?

This is getting out of hand IMO

[MystryPhobia]

You're right, Cury.

"Q. What are the residency requirements for Washington?

A. None. You do not have to be a previous or current resident of Washington to obtain a marriage license that is valid statewide."

From Weddingvendors.com

IMO.
M.

I didn't see it in the general but yeah.. the app and license are in King County.. sorry.

[inv]

So what?

There is also a cookbook! Maybe she was going to poison him.

OOOH and how to photograph children.. maybe she is a pedophile.

OMG.. seriously?

This is getting out of hand IMO

MP, did anyone suggest that? No.

[Cheri_G]

PTSD? A month before Nicholas goes missing?

IMO.
M.

A year before he went missing. Added Jan 10, 2007.

[MystryPhobia]

MP, did anyone suggest that? No.

That just seemed to be where you were going with it.

If we are to have an intelligent conversation about her involvement or lack there of then IMO we can not turn it into a witch hunt where EVERYTHING proves something about her... including her book and movie choices years before he went missing.

[Musterion]

Actually that was more than a year before he went missing, I think. Jan 2007

You're right! Sorry!

The two books she listed in 2007 were the Post Traumatic book and a book for running a business.

I do think there is a lot of information about someone if you check their bookshelves.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

You're right! Sorry!

The two books she listed in 2007 were the Post Traumatic book and a book for running a business.

I do think there is a lot of information about someone if you check their bookshelves.

JMO.
M.
LOL Mine are all on true crime except my bible! Yikes. LOL

[CaresForKids]

Something I forgot to point out last night. In the video that inv posted of Rosann on FOX, she calls her son, Nick. Something he did tell me when I asked him if I could. He said "Sure, that's what my mom calls me". :smile:

[Musterion]

LOL Mine are all on true crime except my bible! Yikes. LOL

Right. Because that is your interest. What you think about.

Christine's wish list is filled with photography books. She loves photography and she is good at it.

She has said she loves to cook and entertain. Book on the right wine or drink with what is being eaten. And a cookbook.

Garden books. She had interests and a business featuring various garden rocks and art.

Parenting books, she's a parent.

One book about Desiring God. Because she is a christian.

Little House books because she probably reads them to her children or loves that program and series.

21 February 2006 you see a series of books dealing with marriage and self help.

"Creative Counterpart : Becoming the Woman, Wife, and Mother You Have Longed to Be"

"Changes That Heal"

"For Women Only: What You Need to Know about the Inner Lives of Men"

"Created to Be His Help Meet: Discover How God Can Make Your Marriage Glorious"

"Real Love for Real Life: The Art and Work of Caring"

That might suggest marriage issues that are being worked on. Might.

The next book is a few weeks after her last baby was born and is on boosting the immune system. That might suggest trying to get herself healthier after a traumatic and early birth/c-section.

12 December 2008 and approximately 12 love story dvd's are added to the Wish List.

Knowing what we know now, that would have been right about the time she was considering remarriage, since she remarried a few months later.

I don't think it is a witch hunt at all. I think it is taking real tangible evidence and matching it to a time line and coming up with something that gives more understanding in what was going on in Christine's life right around those times.

IMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

Right. Because that is your interest. What you think about.

Christine's wish list is filled with photography books. She loves photography and she is good at it.

She has said she loves to cook and entertain. Book on the right wine or drink with what is being eaten. And a cookbook.

Garden books. She had interests and a business featuring various garden rocks and art.

Parenting books, she's a parent.

One book about Desiring God. Because she is a christian.

Little House books because she probably reads them to her children or loves that program and series.

21 February 2006 you see a series of books dealing with marriage and self help.

"Creative Counterpart : Becoming the Woman, Wife, and Mother You Have Longed to Be"

"Changes That Heal"

"For Women Only: What You Need to Know about the Inner Lives of Men"

"Created to Be His Help Meet: Discover How God Can Make Your Marriage Glorious"

"Real Love for Real Life: The Art and Work of Caring"

That might suggest marriage issues that are being worked on. Might.

The next book is a few weeks after her last baby was born and is on boosting the immune system. That might suggest trying to get herself healthier after a traumatic and early birth/c-section.

12 December 2008 and approximately 12 love story dvd's are added to the Wish List.

Knowing what we know now, that would have been right about the time she was considering remarriage, since she remarried a few months later.

I don't think it is a witch hunt at all. I think it is taking real tangible evidence and matching it to a time line and coming up with something that gives more understanding in what was going on in Christine's life right around those times.

IMO.
M.


You are correct and I am sure that inv will now say this was why it was relevant also but the 2 books pointed too in inv's statement was the PTSD and a parenting book about being a hassled parent.. taken out of context with the rest of the books that she was interested in.. isn't exactly fair IMO and seems more like a witch hunt than an intelligent thoughtful post that brings it all in to view.. such as you did above.

[Musterion]

You are correct and I am sure that inv will now say this was why it was relevant also but the 2 books pointed too in inv's statement was the PTSD and a parenting book about being a hassled parent.. taken out of context with the rest of the books that she was interested in.. isn't exactly fair IMO and seems more like a witch hunt than an intelligent thoughtful post that brings it all in to view.. such as you did above.

I can see how you might see it that way!

Honestly, though, when I saw the PTSD book it stood out to me. That's why I posted about it. I got the date wrong but even with the date a year earlier it begs questions.

The Post Traumatic book could be for a variety of reasons. It can be as innocent as wanting it for a friend who is going through trauma because of past events. Or it can be seen as a calculated move on Christine's part in beginning to frame a scenario, or how to act after a traumatic event, such as a husband going missing.

Only more investigation and time will tell. But, I would not discount that book at all. Not at all.

IMO.
M

[inv]

You are correct and I am sure that inv will now say this was why it was relevant also but the 2 books pointed too in inv's statement was the PTSD and a parenting book about being a hassled parent.. taken out of context with the rest of the books that she was interested in.. isn't exactly fair IMO and seems more like a witch hunt than an intelligent thoughtful post that brings it all in to view.. such as you did above.

I believe I am following this case for the same reasons we all are MP. It isn't my purposeful intention to make it a 'witch hunt'. My suspicions and intuitions regarding Christine admittedly take part in how I post. It's almost a sub-concious thing and I don't realize how obvious my suspicions are in the way I post. My gut tells me (as it has since shortly after NF went missing), that CF played a part in that. Is there proof? Not yet, and maybe never. Would I be willing to apologize if I am wrong- of course.

[MystryPhobia]

I can see how you might see it that way!

Honestly, though, when I saw the PTSD book it stood out to me. That's why I posted about it. I got the date wrong but even with the date a year earlier it begs questions.

The Post Traumatic book could be for a variety of reasons. It can be as innocent as wanting it for a friend who is going through trauma because of past events. Or it can be seen as a calculated move on Christine's part in beginning to frame a scenario, or how to act after a traumatic event, such as a husband going missing.

Only more investigation and time will tell. But, I would not discount that book at all. Not at all.

IMO.
M

I know someone that suffers from PTSD. He was in Vietnam. When he was diagnosed a couple years ago.. I read up on it. Didn't buy a book but did alot of research on it.

It could mean alot of things.. you are right.

Also.. if someone wanted to find out what it was all about.. I think that they could. There was trauma in her life. I am sure she talked to you about it. Do you not believe that took place?

[MystryPhobia]

I believe I am following this case for the same reasons we all are MP. It isn't my purposeful intention to make it a 'witch hunt'. My suspicions and intuitions regarding Christine admittedly take part in how I post. It's almost a sub-concious thing and I don't realize how obvious my suspicions are in the way I post. My gut tells me (as it has since shortly after NF went missing), that CF played a part in that. Is there proof? Not yet, and maybe never. Would I be willing to apologize if I am wrong- of course.

You know what inv.. I could hug you right now. This is exactly what I have been trying to say for so long but I think you just said it so much better than I have.

The strong feelings that so many have.. DO lend to how someone posts.

I really didn't ever get those strong feelings either way. You did. ALOT of others did and it DOES play into how you see things and how I see things. That is just how it is.

This is why so often I say that we need to keep it all in perspective. I have had the same feelings as you have about other cases so I understand it.

[inv]

Hugs 2 you 2, MP. No hard feelings...:smile:

[CaresForKids]

Alright, I'll agree to a group hug but nobody better try and pinch me bum again this time! :blushing: :laugh:

[Shelby1]

I can't get the Amazon link to work. Is it gone already?

[Musterion]

I can't get the Amazon link to work. Is it gone already?

Of course it is! Which may indicate that we hit on something that Christine did not want us to. Because, big deal, if you have nothing to hide why not just leave it?

No worries, though, someone here has it saved for reference.

Note, though, the Target Gift Registry is still there!! LOL! Gifts, free things, etc.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Alright, I'll agree to a group hug but nobody better try and pinch me bum again this time! :blushing: :laugh:

You are too much! LOL!

IMO.
M.

[Shelby1]

Of course it is! Which may indicate that we hit on something that Christine did not want us to. Because, big deal, if you have nothing to hide why not just leave it?

No worries, though, someone here has it saved for reference.

Note, though, the Target Gift Registry is still there!! LOL! Gifts, free things, etc.

IMO.
M.

I also noticed on the Target site that not one item had been bought for them.....kind of odd.

[Musterion]

I know someone that suffers from PTSD. He was in Vietnam. When he was diagnosed a couple years ago.. I read up on it. Didn't buy a book but did alot of research on it.

It could mean alot of things.. you are right.

Also.. if someone wanted to find out what it was all about.. I think that they could. There was trauma in her life. I am sure she talked to you about it. Do you not believe that took place?

Hi M.,

I do believe there may have been abuse and trauma in her childhood. When she relayed some of that to me it did break my heart for her. And it still does. And it helps me to understand her reactions on many things. It, also, suggests how capable she might be to become enraged when finding out Nicholas had betrayed their marriage. Which, IMO, she could have found out about months before he went missing.

M., I have compassion for Christine. I have sorrow for what she may have gone through as a child. But, I believe her actions and behaviours need to be questioned, regardless of what happened to her in her past. I believe she holds truth to what happened to Nicholas.

Christine is the one who befriended some of us. She is the one that manipulated information. She is the one that came on here and defended herself, as a nic, while pointing out that Nicholas could be in San Diego.

If she had done none of these things, I probably would never have the suspicions that I have now. Why she cares about what a few people on a crime board think is beyond me. But, I'd like to find out.

JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

Hi M.,

I do believe there may have been abuse and trauma in her childhood. When she relayed some of that to me it did break my heart for her. And it still does. And it helps me to understand her reactions on many things. It, also, suggests how capable she might be to become enraged when finding out Nicholas had betrayed their marriage. Which, IMO, she could have found out about months before he went missing.

M., I have compassion for Christine. I have sorrow for what she may have gone through as a child. But, I believe her actions and behaviours need to be questioned, regardless of what happened to her in her past. I believe she holds truth to what happened to Nicholas.

Christine is the one who befriended some of us. She is the one that manipulated information. She is the one that came on here and defended herself, as a nic, while pointing out that Nicholas could be in San Diego.

If she had done none of these things, I probably would never have the suspicions that I have now. Why she cares about what a few people on a crime board think is beyond me. But, I'd like to find out.

JMO.
M.

Why do any of us care what other people think. Because we are human. I think all of us get angry when other people here make fun of us. I know I do. On another of the boards they had a great time making posts about me that were just plain rude and ugly. Christine is just human and I'm sure that when she sees people calling her a liar and making post after post trying to prove it she feels hurt and anger.

She went looking for answers just like the rest of us. If she knew the truth why would she bother. When she saw herself being ripped for every little thing she did and Nicholas become more and more a saint and untouchable to even a hint of not being a wonderful and perfect person it must have really hurt.

Its not like the sheriff are even worried about who we point fingers at. I'm sure they have way more information then we have and they are at least as smart as most of us.

[Musterion]

Why do any of us care what other people think. Because we are human. I think all of us get angry when other people here make fun of us. I know I do. On another of the boards they had a great time making posts about me that were just plain rude and ugly. Christine is just human and I'm sure that when she sees people calling her a liar and making post after post trying to prove it she feels hurt and anger.

She went looking for answers just like the rest of us. If she knew the truth why would she bother. When she saw herself being ripped for every little thing she did and Nicholas become more and more a saint and untouchable to even a hint of not being a wonderful and perfect person it must have really hurt.

Its not like the sheriff are even worried about who we point fingers at. I'm sure they have way more information then we have and they are at least as smart as most of us.

Hi SD,

I understand what you're saying about human nature and how many of us care what is said about us. We've all had those times when we have been hurt by careless remarks or jabs that we don't deserve and you're right, it hurts.

But, I keep going back to why does she care what people on a crime board think? She had at least two sites, supportingchristine and etsy, that did nothing but love her, encourage her, pray for her, send her money, send her gifts, send her children gifts, take her rabbit, take her dog, have a garage sale with proceeds going for her living expenses, etc. From other posts we've seen friends of hers and their churches asked for donations for her. Many people came over and took care of her and cleaned for her, fed her and her children, did yard work for her, gave her a place to live, helped her move. These are wonderful things and to focus on these people and these blessings would be what I would think those close to her would encourage her to do.

Three sites, this one, WebSleuths and Cheri's, were the sites that questioned and analyzed Nicholas' disappearance. Just guessing but let's say that there were twenty people on each site discussing and maybe 18 of those suspicious of Christine's actions. That's about 54 people who consistently may have thought Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance.

Fifty four people on the whole internet, discussing on a regular basis Nicholas' disappearance. Fifty four people that Christine does not know. Or did not know until she contacted some. Would 54 strangers matter so much? My gosh, even the media was sympathetic to her and never even broached the angle that she had anything to do with Nicholas' disappearance. It was just us, in our little corner of the internet, discussing.

Now, tell me, why? Why, when there are hundreds of supporters, seemingly LE isn't suspicious, you have a new man instantaneously in your life and you get married, would you focus on 54 people on the internet?

We're not her peers. We're nothing to her. She should never have bothered with us.

But, she did. And I see that as odd. I see that as suspicious.

JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

Hi SD,

I understand what you're saying about human nature and how many of us care what is said about us. We've all had those times when we have been hurt by careless remarks or jabs that we don't deserve and you're right, it hurts.

But, I keep going back to why does she care what people on a crime board think? She had at least two sites, supportingchristine and etsy, that did nothing but love her, encourage her, pray for her, send her money, send her gifts, send her children gifts, take her rabbit, take her dog, have a garage sale with proceeds going for her living expenses, etc. From other posts we've seen friends of hers and their churches asked for donations for her. Many people came over and took care of her and cleaned for her, fed her and her children, did yard work for her, gave her a place to live, helped her move. These are wonderful things and to focus on these people and these blessings would be what I would think those close to her would encourage her to do.

Three sites, this one, WebSleuths and Cheri's, were the sites that questioned and analyzed Nicholas' disappearance. Just guessing but let's say that there were twenty people on each site discussing and maybe 18 of those suspicious of Christine's actions. That's about 54 people who consistently may have thought Christine had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance.

Fifty four people on the whole internet, discussing on a regular basis Nicholas' disappearance. Fifty four people that Christine does not know. Or did not know until she contacted some. Would 54 strangers matter so much? My gosh, even the media was sympathetic to her and never even broached the angle that she had anything to do with Nicholas' disappearance. It was just us, in our little corner of the internet, discussing.

Now, tell me, why? Why, when there are hundreds of supporters, seemingly LE isn't suspicious, you have a new man instantaneously in your life and you get married, would you focus on 54 people on the internet?

We're not her peers. We're nothing to her. She should never have bothered with us.

But, she did. And I see that as odd. I see that as suspicious.

JMO.
M.

Doesn't sound to me like she wants support now rather she wants to find him. She seems to think that the family knows something and aren't telling which considering their total silence and lack of visible search seems like it could be a good possibility. This little group are the only ones who are looking. Think about it. If she didn't have anything to do with his disappearance and all she reads in the group that is the only one who says they want to find him and the only thing they talk about is her don't you think that could be really frustrating?

As to her her getting married again. It has been 14 months. Many people get married that quickly after a death or a divorce. Also if he really was having affairs it really isn't surprising she moved on this quickly. The problem here is that everyone wants to focus on Christine because we have run out of ideas on Nicholas and some people feel guilt at the idea of not thinking of him as a wonderful man who couldn't possibly done anything wrong. So some try to instantly sweep anything found about a secret life that might have involved him leaving under a rug while at the same time totally getting behind the idea that she killed him or did something to him without anything to show she might have other then imagination. Search a lake that has no easy access to put a body in, search a house that she left without any kind of a fight.

LE hasn't found anything that they think is out of line and they sat down with her and talked to her face to face. I trust that more then that she isn't baring every personal detail of her life to people here. In fact it appears that was wise of her since she isn't always that good at picking people she can trust. Just check here what has been posted that people were told in private.

[Musterion]

Doesn't sound to me like she wants support now rather she wants to find him. She seems to think that the family knows something and aren't telling which considering their total silence and lack of visible search seems like it could be a good possibility. This little group are the only ones who are looking. Think about it. If she didn't have anything to do with his disappearance and all she reads in the group that is the only one who says they want to find him and the only thing they talk about is her don't you think that could be really frustrating?

As to her her getting married again. It has been 14 months. Many people get married that quickly after a death or a divorce. Also if he really was having affairs it really isn't surprising she moved on this quickly. The problem here is that everyone wants to focus on Christine because we have run out of ideas on Nicholas and some people feel guilt at the idea of not thinking of him as a wonderful man who couldn't possibly done anything wrong. So some try to instantly sweep anything found about a secret life that might have involved him leaving under a rug while at the same time totally getting behind the idea that she killed him or did something to him without anything to show she might have other then imagination. Search a lake that has no easy access to put a body in, search a house that she left without any kind of a fight.

LE hasn't found anything that they think is out of line and they sat down with her and talked to her face to face. I trust that more then that she isn't baring every personal detail of her life to people here. In fact it appears that was wise of her since she isn't always that good at picking people she can trust. Just check here what has been posted that people were told in private.

SD,

If you think back you might remember that when I posted I brought up context of events. I took a lot of heat for bringing that up. However, as time went on I begin to see, from my own interactions with Christine, that things were not adding up.

I am on the side of the truth. Not Christine's side. Not Nicholas' side. But the truth.

I would break ANY confidence, period, if it meant finding the truth about a man who is missing and may be dead. Confidence can be assumed, however, and the ex wife of a missing man saying 'don't tell anyone this but...' is not an agreed upon confidence. You can slam me all you want, SD, but it does not take away from the focus of Christine's actions and inconsistencies.

Not many people whose spouse is unaccounted for and has a chance, stated by LE, that that spouse could be dead, remarry so quickly without suspicion being heaped upon them. IMO.

We are not 'running out of ideas' about 'Nicholas and some people feel guilt at the idea of not thinking of him as a wonderful man who couldn't possibly done anything wrong'. Many of us are focusing on what is protocol for missing person's cases: the spouse. As for feeling guilt, what the heck are you saying? Nicholas having a secret life, whether or not he did, has almost zero to do with the suspicion being on Christine. I say 'almost' because if she found out about a secret life that would be the prime reason for her to be the first suspect!

Nicholas is missing, SD!!!! You have no idea if he is dead or not. Based on statistics, Nicholas as a missing person is more than likely dead. That you dismiss his life and value in favour of what his ex wife thinks and how she feels is disturbing to me.

This is an open case. How do you know that LE isn't watching Christine? In so many cases LE seems to back down and refuses to call someone a person of interest because they are waiting for that someone to make a move that gives them enough evidence to charge them.

JMO.
M.

[SilverDove]

SD,

If you think back you might remember that when I posted I brought up context of events. I took a lot of heat for bringing that up. However, as time went on I begin to see, from my own interactions with Christine, that things were not adding up.

I am on the side of the truth. Not Christine's side. Not Nicholas' side. But the truth.

I would break ANY confidence, period, if it meant finding the truth about a man who is missing and may be dead. Confidence can be assumed, however, and the ex wife of a missing man saying 'don't tell anyone this but...' is not an agreed upon confidence. You can slam me all you want, SD, but it does not take away from the focus of Christine's actions and inconsistencies.

Not many people whose spouse is unaccounted for and has a chance, stated by LE, that that spouse could be dead, remarry so quickly without suspicion being heaped upon them. IMO.

We are not 'running out of ideas' about 'Nicholas and some people feel guilt at the idea of not thinking of him as a wonderful man who couldn't possibly done anything wrong'. Many of us are focusing on what is protocol for missing person's cases: the spouse. As for feeling guilt, what the heck are you saying? Nicholas having a secret life, whether or not he did, has almost zero to do with the suspicion being on Christine. I say 'almost' because if she found out about a secret life that would be the prime reason for her to be the first suspect!

Nicholas is missing, SD!!!! You have no idea if he is dead or not. Based on statistics, Nicholas as a missing person is more than likely dead. That you dismiss his life and value in favour of what his ex wife thinks and how she feels is disturbing to me.

This is an open case. How do you know that LE isn't watching Christine? In so many cases LE seems to back down and refuses to call someone a person of interest because they are waiting for that someone to make a move that gives them enough evidence to charge them.

JMO.
M.

I'm sorry I just can't keep from coming back to why his family never once ask for him to come home, ask for who ever had him to let him go or even ask for anyone who knew anything to come forward. I know that people think they are secretly doing something but why couldn't they have signed off on bill boards or gone out on more searches. Why aren't they putting up posters. His mother gave in life doesn't she want to know? Or does she already know where he is??????

I just can't imagine not looking and doing everything possible to keep my children in everyones faces if they went missing.

I can and have moved on when my husband was cheating on me, but my kid that is so different.

Yes yes I know it is all Christine's problem but really why aren't they doing anything?

Honestly I think he is alive and they are helping him hid. Maybe even giving him money.

[SilverDove]

Oh I agree, fully.

And if the mother knew? Should she have to pay the full cost? Or what if the mothers know now? What should she be required to do?

Sorry I just can't figure out why his family do nothing.

[MystryPhobia]

And if the mother knew? Should she have to pay the full cost? Or what if the mothers know now? What should she be required to do?

Sorry I just can't figure out why his family do nothing.
I am very bothered by their lack of doing ANYTHING, also. I don't buy the arguement that they are doing things behind the scenes to find him. I never have. I think if we are looking at people's actions and what they mean.. then I don't think we can discount their apparant lack of action. They have done NOTHING.. except a facebook page, that hasn't been updated for a year. Sorry.. makes absolutely no sense to me.

I know what will be said.. LE told them not to because they are watching Christine and they don't want her to know.. I don't buy that either. Seem like an excuse made so that no one will question why they have done nothing to find their missing loved one.

[RainyNiteNTx]

SD,

If you think back you might remember that when I posted I brought up context of events. I took a lot of heat for bringing that up. However, as time went on I begin to see, from my own interactions with Christine, that things were not adding up.

I am on the side of the truth. Not Christine's side. Not Nicholas' side. But the truth.

I would break ANY confidence, period, if it meant finding the truth about a man who is missing and may be dead. Confidence can be assumed, however, and the ex wife of a missing man saying 'don't tell anyone this but...' is not an agreed upon confidence. You can slam me all you want, SD, but it does not take away from the focus of Christine's actions and inconsistencies.

Not many people whose spouse is unaccounted for and has a chance, stated by LE, that that spouse could be dead, remarry so quickly without suspicion being heaped upon them. IMO.

We are not 'running out of ideas' about 'Nicholas and some people feel guilt at the idea of not thinking of him as a wonderful man who couldn't possibly done anything wrong'. Many of us are focusing on what is protocol for missing person's cases: the spouse. As for feeling guilt, what the heck are you saying? Nicholas having a secret life, whether or not he did, has almost zero to do with the suspicion being on Christine. I say 'almost' because if she found out about a secret life that would be the prime reason for her to be the first suspect!

Nicholas is missing, SD!!!! You have no idea if he is dead or not. Based on statistics, Nicholas as a missing person is more than likely dead. That you dismiss his life and value in favour of what his ex wife thinks and how she feels is disturbing to me.
This is an open case. How do you know that LE isn't watching Christine? In so many cases LE seems to back down and refuses to call someone a person of interest because they are waiting for that someone to make a move that gives them enough evidence to charge them.

JMO.
M.

(highlighted by me)
Musterion - you have been the most fair and objective poster here. I remember when we all started posting here, when links were sent showing things Christine said, you always asked "in what context?" You were very careful not to jump to conclusions. I applaud your efforts in seeking the truth! I applaud your efforts in your focus being on what happened to Nicholas.

IMO too many people wanted to turn this into a support board for Christine, rather than looking at the cold hard facts no matter where they might lead.

It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for donations
It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for a rent free place to live
The list goes on -

Anyway kudos to you! :thumbsup:

[Leanne Weich]

(highlighted by me)
Musterion - you have been the most fair and objective poster here. I remember when we all started posting here, when links were sent showing things Christine said, you always asked "in what context?" You were very careful not to jump to conclusions. I applaud your efforts in seeking the truth! I applaud your efforts in your focus being on what happened to Nicholas.

IMO too many people wanted to turn this into a support board for Christine, rather than looking at the cold hard facts no matter where they might lead.

It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for donations
It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for a rent free place to live
The list goes on -

Anyway kudos to you! :thumbsup:

I agree with your post wholeheartedly. M has always been one of the most fair and thorough posters on any of the missing person's boards.

[n/t]

I am very bothered by their lack of doing ANYTHING, also. I don't buy the arguement that they are doing things behind the scenes to find him. I never have. I think if we are looking at people's actions and what they mean.. then I don't think we can discount their apparant lack of action. They have done NOTHING.. except a facebook page, that hasn't been updated for a year. Sorry.. makes absolutely no sense to me.

I know what will be said.. LE told them not to because they are watching Christine and they don't want her to know.. I don't buy that either. Seem like an excuse made so that no one will question why they have done nothing to find their missing loved one.

I think this is the one point you and I agree on. I can't come up with one good reason why his family hasn't been actively searching for him except that they know he's alive and safe.

Even if LE told them not to talk to the media, they could've searched for him anyway. We have not seen any search efforts on their part.

As a mom, I'd want to know where my son is and I would do whatever it took to find him.

There's a missing piece of this puzzle and I'm not sure what it is. I also sense that his family was not very close to Christine nor the grandkids but that's just speculation on my part from what I've noticed from the media reports. There was no coming together when Nicholas was reported missing.

[MystryPhobia]

I think this is the one point you and I agree on. I can't come up with one good reason why his family hasn't been actively searching for him except that they know he's alive and safe.

Even if LE told them not to talk to the media, they could've searched for him anyway. We have not seen any search efforts on their part.

As a mom, I'd want to know where my son is and I would do whatever it took to find him.

There's a missing piece of this puzzle and I'm not sure what it is. I also sense that his family was not very close to Christine nor the grandkids but that's just speculation on my part from what I've noticed from the media reports. There was no coming together when Nicholas was reported missing.


I agree! If one of my sons went missing, I would be like a rabid dog in the search for him... to LE, to his wife (or ex), to the media, on the internet... and there would be no way in hell that I would let his children be adopted without putting up every single dollar and breath I had to legally block it.

It does trouble me and I do not think that it can be discounted when considering the entire picture here.

[MystryPhobia]

(highlighted by me)
Musterion - you have been the most fair and objective poster here. I remember when we all started posting here, when links were sent showing things Christine said, you always asked "in what context?" You were very careful not to jump to conclusions. I applaud your efforts in seeking the truth! I applaud your efforts in your focus being on what happened to Nicholas.

IMO too many people wanted to turn this into a support board for Christine, rather than looking at the cold hard facts no matter where they might lead.

It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for donations
It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for a rent free place to live
The list goes on -

Anyway kudos to you! :thumbsup:

I whole heartedly agree with you on Musterion!

I do have to say that his mother and sisters didn't do that but they haven't really done anything else either. Why do you think that they haven't done anything, that we can see or find? Asking honestly. Don't you wonder why they aren't doing more?

[Cury-us Coyote]

I whole heartedly agree with you on Musterion!

I do have to say that his mother and sisters didn't do that but they haven't really done anything else either. Why do you think that they haven't done anything, that we can see or find? Asking honestly. Don't you wonder why they aren't doing more?

IIRC, alleged Media Appearances by family -

CF (several local [King5 2/16, KIRO, KOMO, Ron & Don Show, Seattle Times 3/8, KCPQ Q13 Fox Seattle 3/13, KIRO 1 yr anniv] & national appearances and coverage with existing video [CNN HN NG 2/21, Fox News Greta VS 2/21, Fox News Gibson and Nauert 2/22, Fox News 3/8, ABC News 3/8, AMW 6/14,]
NF’s mother (King5 2/16, appeared in video visiting Heritage Condo complex parking lot on 2/19, Fox News Gibson and Nauert 2/22)
NF’s father (1 – KIRO 2/18)
NF’s sisters (1 – alleged natl media 2/22)
CF’s mother (Zero)
CF’s biological father (Zero)
CF’s step-father (Zero)
CF’s sister (no appearances, but a print quote ST 2/20)
CF’s brother (Zero)

What is being done now? TIA

[Musterion]

I am very bothered by their lack of doing ANYTHING, also. I don't buy the arguement that they are doing things behind the scenes to find him. I never have. I think if we are looking at people's actions and what they mean.. then I don't think we can discount their apparant lack of action. They have done NOTHING.. except a facebook page, that hasn't been updated for a year. Sorry.. makes absolutely no sense to me.

I know what will be said.. LE told them not to because they are watching Christine and they don't want her to know.. I don't buy that either. Seem like an excuse made so that no one will question why they have done nothing to find their missing loved one.

Good Morning, M.!

Where were you yesterday? I looked around when I got here and no M.!

Now, you know, I am really, almost the only one saying that LE may have told Nicholas' family to 'shhhh' because they may be watching Christine! And, I hear what you're saying about not agreeing. That is totally okay to believe that LE did not tell the family to keep quiet. It is the beauty of being individuals and having different perspectives! It can actually help what is being investigated. IMO.

M.

[Musterion]

I'm sorry I just can't keep from coming back to why his family never once ask for him to come home, ask for who ever had him to let him go or even ask for anyone who knew anything to come forward. I know that people think they are secretly doing something but why couldn't they have signed off on bill boards or gone out on more searches. Why aren't they putting up posters. His mother gave in life doesn't she want to know? Or does she already know where he is??????

I just can't imagine not looking and doing everything possible to keep my children in everyones faces if they went missing.

I can and have moved on when my husband was cheating on me, but my kid that is so different.

Yes yes I know it is all Christine's problem but really why aren't they doing anything?

Honestly I think he is alive and they are helping him hid. Maybe even giving him money.

(Red highlight mine)

Good Morning, SD!

Now, you know you would verbally skin me alive if I made a similar comment about Christine! :)

There is absolutely no basis for saying Nicholas' family is helping him to hide OR are giving him money!

None!

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

(highlighted by me)
Musterion - you have been the most fair and objective poster here. I remember when we all started posting here, when links were sent showing things Christine said, you always asked "in what context?" You were very careful not to jump to conclusions. I applaud your efforts in seeking the truth! I applaud your efforts in your focus being on what happened to Nicholas.

IMO too many people wanted to turn this into a support board for Christine, rather than looking at the cold hard facts no matter where they might lead.

It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for donations
It was not NF's mother and sisters that asked for a rent free place to live
The list goes on -

Anyway kudos to you! :thumbsup:

Thanks Rainy and everyone.

I think sometimes that it is easy to forget that this is a crime board that dissects cases. Most of us get pretty passionate.

We keep saying this and it is true, I believe, we all want the same thing: Nicholas to be found.

JMO.
M.

[MystryPhobia]

IIRC, alleged Media Appearances by family -

CF (several local [King5 2/16, KIRO, KOMO, Ron & Don Show, Seattle Times 3/8, KCPQ Q13 Fox Seattle 3/13, KIRO 1 yr anniv] & national appearances and coverage with existing video [CNN HN NG 2/21, Fox News Greta VS 2/21, Fox News Gibson and Nauert 2/22, Fox News 3/8, ABC News 3/8, AMW 6/14,]
NF’s mother (King5 2/16, appeared in video visiting Heritage Condo complex parking lot on 2/19, Fox News Gibson and Nauert 2/22)
NF’s father (1 – KIRO 2/18)
NF’s sisters (1 – alleged natl media 2/22)
CF’s mother (Zero)
CF’s biological father (Zero)
CF’s step-father (Zero)
CF’s sister (no appearances, but a print quote ST 2/20)
CF’s brother (Zero)

What is being done now? TIA

I see what you are trying to do CuC but it does not negate the fact that his family has done virtually nothing to find him.. since a week after he went missing.

How can you honestly not wonder why they are not doing anything?

Taking your obvious feelings for Christine out of it and just look at them and their actions for a moment. You don't wonder why they have done nothing? Do you think that your (not just yours but all the people that have strong feelings that Christine could be culpable in Nicholas' disappearance) feelings about Christine and what is believed to be her role in his disappearance, has a bearing in giving them a pass, for their lack of looking?

[MystryPhobia]

Good Morning, M.!

Where were you yesterday? I looked around when I got here and no M.!

Now, you know, I am really, almost the only one saying that LE may have told Nicholas' family to 'shhhh' because they may be watching Christine! And, I hear what you're saying about not agreeing. That is totally okay to believe that LE did not tell the family to keep quiet. It is the beauty of being individuals and having different perspectives! It can actually help what is being investigated. IMO.

M.

Hi M.. yeah, I spent alot of the day in bed, sick, but trying to stay outta bed today. Have to disinfect the house today.

I don't think you are the only one that has said that. I have seen it in a couple of places and honestly, I just can't see it. If that was the case, it would be very surprising. We have seen cases like this, where the family of the missing person is very vocal.. sometimes even after LE has asked them not to disclose certain things. I could see that happening. But.. dropping off completely.. does not make sense to me. And, I have to wonder what their silence means. If they do not know what happened to Nicholas, then I find it really sad for him, that they are not out there doing more to find him.

We, who have never met Nicholas, have done more to find him, then his own family has, is the way that it seems.

I don't think it takes away from facts that you are discussing about Christine and her inconsistancies, to also question what they have done. I, have no doubt that they care about him, which IMO clearly shows that they have a reason for not being out there.

[Musterion]

I agree! If one of my sons went missing, I would be like a rabid dog in the search for him... to LE, to his wife (or ex), to the media, on the internet... and there would be no way in hell that I would let his children be adopted without putting up every single dollar and breath I had to legally block it.

It does trouble me and I do not think that it can be discounted when considering the entire picture here.

I don't think it should be discounted either. At all!

The whole adoption thing, which I do think will be a next step for Christine, is so sad for the children (based on what she said alluding to it). I hope they never have to give up their last name.

IMO.
M.

[Musterion]

Hi M.. yeah, I spent alot of the day in bed, sick, but trying to stay outta bed today. Have to disinfect the house today.

I don't think you are the only one that has said that. I have seen it in a couple of places and honestly, I just can't see it. If that was the case, it would be very surprising. We have seen cases like this, where the family of the missing person is very vocal.. sometimes even after LE has asked them not to disclose certain things. I could see that happening. But.. dropping off completely.. does not make sense to me. And, I have to wonder what their silence means. If they do not know what happened to Nicholas, then I find it really sad for him, that they are not out there doing more to find him.

We, who have never met Nicholas, have done more to find him, then his own family has, is the way that it seems.

I don't think it takes away from facts that you are discussing about Christine and her inconsistancies, to also question what they have done. I, have no doubt that they care about him, which IMO clearly shows that they have a reason for not being out there.

Oh oh. Please take care of yourself. I woke up to the paper reporting the cases of Swine Flu in our vicinity here. Scary. Just be careful and get checked by your Doctor!

I do wonder, every day, about Rosann and his sisters and father not being more vocal about finding Nicholas.

Besides the 'keeping quiet' thing, there could be other reasons. None that seem 'right', though.

For instance maybe they do believe he is dead. And, where do they search, right? For me, I would be a a wild woman like you if my child, even as an adult, went missing. I'm sure I would physically get out every single day and search. If it took me my whole life, doing that every day.

You're not going to like a couple of these. But, I'll throw them out for sake of discussion.

Maybe they are afraid if they do anything that Christine will never let them see Nicholas' babies again. Maybe she has threatened that.

Maybe they have seen verbal and physical or emotional abuse by Christine to Nicholas and they fear being public will only enrage Christine more and don't want to see the consequences of what speaking out might bring.

Maybe they believe he is dead based on information that LE has given them that we don't know.

Maybe they believe he is alive based on information that LE has given them that we don't know.

I don't, IMO, think it is so far fetched that maybe they are keeping quiet because of evidence that LE may have. Whether it is on Christine having something to do with Nicholas' disappearance or someone else, close to them or Christine and Nicholas who LE might suspect knows something or did something to Nicholas.

Maybe the family has been threatened by someone who LE believes had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. And maybe they are afraid to say too much because maybe they are in danger or Nicholas' children are in danger if they do speak out.

I know we do not have all of the information that LE has. I would be shocked if we did. LE usually does and should keep some facts close to their vest from the public in any investigation.

I don't believe, from what we know, that Rosann and family are hiding Nicholas just so he doesn't have to pay child support. I don't think they are funneling money to him to live. Their family has a lot to lose if they were doing that. Not just legally. But, morally and their reputation within the Catholic churches they are deeply entrenched in, working for, worshipping at, etc.

JMO.
M.

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There's a missing piece of this puzzle and I'm not sure what it is. I also sense that his family was not very close to Christine nor the grandkids but that's just speculation on my part from what I've noticed from the media reports. There was no coming together when Nicholas was reported missing.

Family pictures, reports of alleged babysitting, visits for plays, CF’s vote for NF’s sisters as most talented in her social network, does not imply a total break-down or lack of communication between the families of CF and NF before or initially after NF’s disappearance, IMO.

[MystryPhobia]

Oh oh. Please take care of yourself. I woke up to the paper reporting the cases of Swine Flu in our vicinity here. Scary. Just be careful and get checked by your Doctor!

I do wonder, every day, about Rosann and his sisters and father not being more vocal about finding Nicholas.

Besides the 'keeping quiet' thing, there could be other reasons. None that seem 'right', though.

For instance maybe they do believe he is dead. And, where do they search, right? For me, I would be a a wild woman like you if my child, even as an adult, went missing. I'm sure I would physically get out every single day and search. If it took me my whole life, doing that every day.

You're not going to like a couple of these. But, I'll throw them out for sake of discussion.

Maybe they are afraid if they do anything that Christine will never let them see Nicholas' babies again. Maybe she has threatened that.

Maybe they have seen verbal and physical or emotional abuse by Christine to Nicholas and they fear being public will only enrage Christine more and don't want to see the consequences of what speaking out might bring.

Maybe they believe he is dead based on information that LE has given them that we don't know.

Maybe they believe he is alive based on information that LE has given them that we don't know.

I don't, IMO, think it is so far fetched that maybe they are keeping quiet because of evidence that LE may have. Whether it is on Christine having something to do with Nicholas' disappearance or someone else, close to them or Christine and Nicholas who LE might suspect knows something or did something to Nicholas.

Maybe the family has been threatened by someone who LE believes had something to do with Nicholas' disappearance. And maybe they are afraid to say too much because maybe they are in danger or Nicholas' children are in danger if they do speak out.

I know we do not have all of the information that LE has. I would be shocked if we did. LE usually does and should keep some facts close to their vest from the public in any investigation.

I don't believe, from what we know, that Rosann and family are hiding Nicholas just so he doesn't have to pay child support. I don't think they are funneling money to him to live. Their family has a lot to lose if they were doing that. Not just legally. But, morally and their reputation within the Catholic churches they are deeply entrenched in, working for, worshipping at, etc.

JMO.
M.
The swine flu thing is scary! Wash your hands! LOL The little boy that sits beside my youngest in their kindy class just got back from a vacation in Mexico on Sunday night. When I read the alert on the screen last night that there was a 6 yo male in Snohomish County that was suspected of having it.. my heart sunk... but it wasn't him, thank God.

I also wonder about Nicholas family. Because of things that I have been told, I wonder even more so.. so, I will disclose that up front.. but..

I, honestly think that everyone gives Christine too much credit and power. Drew Peterson is in LE and is known to be very dangerous and as I am sure LE has told Stacy's sister, Cassandra, not to disclose certain things that they tell her about their investigation, for her safety as well as the safety of the investigation, it has not stopped her from doing all that she has done to keep her sisters face out there, and to help other families of missing persons. There is so much that you can do and not disclose anything that could harm law enforcement.