Verdict: Guilty - murder 2

[kjb0007]

It will be announced at 4:30pm EST

[FrankieBones1]

Any of the cable news shows carrying this?

[kipswife]

what time will it be? it is almost 2 now
any station covering it

[kipswife]

nbc los angeles says they will carry it

[DesertWalker]

MSNBC to carry the verdict live here. Still on standby now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841

[kellabeck]

Guilty murder two!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Banditta]

Oh thank god. Good news, Kellebeck, thanks for posting. (I was TelliTrue on the original Spector trial board).

[DeeJay]

Guilty murder two!! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FINALLY!!! I am very pleased!!!! :thumbsup:

[LadyBlue]

:thumbup: FINALLY JUSTICE !!!! :thumbup:

[DesertWalker]

News story here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/

[DeeJay]

He was taken into custody!!! sweeet!!! :thumbup::laugh:

[Rickshere911]

Thank You Sprocket........now I can get on with my life and I wish you and Mr. Sprocket the very best........

[DeeJay]

Sentencing Friday May 29th, but Spector has a right to be sentenced before that date. That's agreeable. That's the date, at 11 am

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/search/label/Trial%20Coverage

[Banditta]

He was taken into custody!!! sweeet!!! :thumbup::laugh:
Gooooooooooood.:thumbsup:

[HumblePie]

Man, this cretin has been "out" far too long. Glad he's going to jail now. I wonder what his hair is going to look like in another month? Bald? Bald, scared and near death. That's what I want to see. :cursing:

[cocoloco]

Here's hoping that at least there will be live coverage for the sentencing! Good grief, at least there's a heads up for these journalists and engineers this time. :cursing:

[cook4andy]

PS is guilty!

Thank you Why! I thought I missed the bus. :wink:

[cherylt]

anyone have a link they are watching or listening to right now?
Any press conference online?

[lune3]

Ok, waiting for jurors statements. Hopefully we'll see that on the feed.

[spydernweb2006]

According to the AP news story Chelle sobbed as the verdict was read.

IMO its cause her free ride's over. It wouldnt surprise me to find out that the locks were changed on the castle before she can get back there. I expect Nicole to take charge of all of Phil's finances while he is incarcerated, until they loose em all in the civil suit.


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[lune3]

anyone have a link they are watching or listening to right now?
Any press conference online?

This is what I've got. Is there anything better?

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

[KathR]

It's party time:)

Congrats to Sprocket from me too. She scooped everyone with her updates. Thank you so much, Betsy Ross.

[White Tiger]

and he'll probably never be free again

[DesertWalker]

NBC Twitter inside court
http://twitter.com/nbclosangeles




Friday 5/29 is proposed by defense counsel as the date of sentencing -- Spector agrees to that date11 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511926301) from web
Points out Spector is facing 15 years to life, plus the gun allegation. JUDGE REMANDS HIM TO CUSTODY; BAIL REQUEST DENIED.12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511921577) from web
Judge says Penal Code 1156 mandates that unless the court can justify a release, a defendant should be remanded.12 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511920389) from web
Sentecing May 2912 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511919214) from web
Spector's lawyer answered by saying Spector's convictions were misdemeanors, when he was 32 years old; points out that since Spector has13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511916274) from web
Dating back to the 60s, DA says, Spector has been violent. DA: There is no a big motive not to appear.13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511914341) from web
DA says Jackson in '03 or '04 threatened to pull a gun again.13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511913497) from web
DA Jackson arguing Spector has proven he's a violent person, and a danger to the community. Even after the 2003 arrest,13 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511912396) from web
On whether Spector should be held without bail, at least for now:14 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511911494) from web
Judge listening to the arguments17 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511890495) from web
Seriousness of the offense; probability Spector won't appear at proceedings.17 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511889986) from web
DA says Penal code 1166 has a presumption he should be held.17 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511889165) from web
To recap: Guilty of murder in the second degree.18 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511887225) from web
TELLING THEM THEY MUST WAIT 90 DAYS BEFORE ACCEPTING ANY COMPENSATION/PAYMENT FOR THEIR STORIES.18 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511882844) from web
ALL 12 JURORS AGREED THIS WAS THEIR VERDICT. THE JUDGE IS THANKING THE JURORS FOR THEIR SERVICE19 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511881755) from web
ALSO: FOUND HE PERSONALLY USED FIREARM IN THE COMMISSION OF THE CRIME.19 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511879622) from web
Clerk to read the verdict: GUILTY OF MURDER 224 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511850582) from web
Juror no. 1, the foreperson, is handing the verict to the bailiff. He hands it to the judge, who's reviewing it.24 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511850246) from web
The lawyers and Spector and his son and daughter are standing. The jurors are in their seats.24 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/NBCLosAngeles/status/1511848454) from web

[DesertWalker]

Live pic inside court here:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

[SusiePMcD]

Congratulations to Sprocket and her first rate coverage.!!!

I cannot wait to see spector's booking shot......without his wig. :lol:


I had to step away from my desk...and I missed it. But good news!

I am with you on that vision Jo Wallace!

[White Tiger]

and the DA and Jurors are getting ready to comment in news conference

[barskin&co.]

and he'll probably never be free again

Oh, I agree. I think he will die in prison.

[dreamlawyer]

NBC LA is showing a live feed of the elevators in the courthouse! LOL! Can you just walk into the courtroom for the pressers please!

[doctor_J]

I always wonder what goes thru the mind of the first jury when this happens. Do they realize they failed the state and the people have to foot the bill for their failure. If I understand correctly, Ca. can hardly pay it's bills already. Wonder the final cost of this second trial?

Well, he got 2 more yrs of freedom. Probably the last free days of his life. the whole idea of suicide was so asinine, I just could not see the first jury being snuckered by LKB and co.

[cherylt]

This is what I've got. Is there anything better?

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544


Thank you so much! I had that up earlier but it went silent..

[PKizner]

Hopped the bus! Cant wait to get home and see the coverage! :D

[Curlyjo]

I just checked and it looks like Sprocket will be on the Marc Germain show tonight to talk about the verdict!!! http://www.talkradioone.com/ can't wait.

[dreamlawyer]

They are showing the hallway outside the courtroom now on NBC LA....you can see Royal Oaks..the reporter talking on his cell phone. Hopefully we'll be able to see coverage of the pressers!

[DeeJay]

Spector’s young wife, Rachelle, sobbed as the decision was announced.
:laugh:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936

[Crispy]

I'm happy they did reach a verdict. I was so worried they would hang again.

[tartangirl]

~ Justice ~ Sweet Justice ~ Finally ~



Thank you Alan Jackson and Truc Do

[cherylt]

WOW - did you see that big YAWN by PS?

ETA - Many yawns, he couldn't possibly be bored?!

WHY is the sound so carppy - muy static!

[Details]

Showing raw video of the verdeict - no sound, but you can see Spector!

[spydernweb2006]

Irony- The man who created the all of sound on trial and the press has sound issues!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[logbump]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841
On NOW

[Details]

I don't know if that's yawning - he keeps doing it. Looks almost like an ear-pop.

Twitching cheek muscle. Sitting down now...

Verdict read - lawyer leaned forward, rested his head on his hands, Phil just sat there, hands twitching.

[cocoloco]

anybody watching the play back. he's obviously has some happy blue pills. can't stop yawning.

[Details]

Just no expression on his face, even as his attorney pats his shoulder. Looks dazed - sedatives, meds, maybe? He looks totally zoned out.

[kipswife]

his damn lawyer's head is in the way...not much reaction

[trucrime]

that will be interesting to see his mug shot w/out his wig. IMO.

[trucrime]

Just no expression on his face, even as his attorney pats his shoulder. Looks dazed - sedatives, meds, maybe? He looks totally zoned out.

He's probably shocked a little. IMO.

[Details]

Still yawning as he rises for the jury's exit.

[Details]

On Sprocket, reporting on the presser. AJ, Steve Cooley speaking.

[cherylt]

Irony- The man who created the all of sound on trial and the press has sound issues!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder


Good catch! LOL

I liked the zoom onto the back of Weinberg's (bald) head when verdict was about to be read. He holds head and leans forward onto desk. He had much more a reaction, although we couldn't see PS's face...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

CNN is showing it now too!! My puter preferrs their feed...LOL

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=1

LMS

[kipswife]

so now i guess i can get back to my life.....hmmmmm, if i could just remember what is involved.
i might have to go visit ps if he comes to the vacaville prison...wonder if he would consent.

[cherylt]

ah c'mon, I want to HEAR AJ!...


whoop - there it is...

[dreamlawyer]

stupid me..... i had two windows open with the playback

Me too! Nobody's showing the presser live either, according to Sprocket it has started and AJ was speaking....

[dreamlawyer]

Now showing presser, nbc la!!!!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

who is that young man beside Spector, wearing glasses??

LMS

[Pruddennce]

Im a little behind here.....but has he been remanded for sentencing?

IMO the jury got it right......

best regards,
Pru

[logbump]

Link to presser?

[cherylt]

Can you believe that reporter who tried to pin AJ down on how much the trial cost?? Unbelievable!! :angry:

[cherylt]

Link to presser?


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

[Crispy]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

Also, they took him into custody from what I understand

[llylabrat]

Link to presser?


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

[cherylt]

Im a little behind here.....but has he been remanded for sentencing?

IMO the jury got it right......

best regards,
Pru


YES - Sentencing 5/29

[logbump]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

:wub:Cherylt

[dreamlawyer]

Link to presser?

http://www.livenewscameras.com/

page 2, NBC LA

[Lyndawitha"Y]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544


AJ is speaking!!!NOW!!

LMS

[cherylt]

I hope Lana's family gets every last penny... They deserve it for all their suffering!

:rose:


ETA - I want so bad to HUG AJ!!!

[Details]

Yay! Jurors!

[Crispy]

Woo Hoo!! Jurors!!

[Details]

MSNBC has a nice live feed without annoying announcers.

Waiting on jurors to come up and speak.

[Cornblossom]

Think I'll bake a punkin pie do the happy dance on it,have a glass of wine and hopefully the dog will eat the pie mess! LMAO

[cherylt]

Jurors coming on - (I sooo have to go to the bathroom).... oooooooo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

So nice, AJ goes right over to Lana's mother!! Boy is she one classy lady!!

Jurors coming in for pressor now!!

LMS

[Details]

I'm calling "I told you so!" - they went through all the evidence carefully, and came to their conclusion! No big hangups, no weirdness - they just wanted to go through all of the evidence. As they should.

[Details]

Reporters are trying to find some bit of controversy, what the weak evidence was - and she doesn't have anything for them.

[llylabrat]

jury foreperson is now getting emotional. don't know why. the questions didn't upset her did they?

[Pruddennce]

YES - Sentencing 5/29

thank you. got the link now with the jurors.

best regards,
Pru

[Crispy]

Woman foreperson...process...went through all the evidence and all testimony and at the end came up with the verdict they did. Everybody was completely neutral when they went in, not sure there was anything troubling anyone, went through everything piece by piece. All generated discussion about everything, it wasn't one way or the other. Each side had their experts. She does say that she thinks this jury(tearfully) took this so seriously and she doesn't think there could have been another set of 11 people that listened to everything and could not have been more painful in their decision and absolutely nothing to do with Weinbergs ability. It's tough to be on a jury

[cherylt]

What did a reporter ask that everyone groaned??

This woman is so BRAVE to speak out like this by herself. ahh, I feel bad, now she is crying....I feel bad, seems like she has enormous empathy!

[KKKKKKatie]

Bless the Forepersons heart....she is in tears :sad:

[Details]

Light moment - asked what really stands out when she goes home - "I don't know - I haven't been home yet."

Teary now - they took it very seriously, their decision was painful, "you have no idea" how tough it was to be a jury. Because you're talking about another human being, and you try to really evaluate, and it's really difficult. They obviously knew the full impact of a verdict of murder.

[athina]

Wow, Juror 1, (didn't catch her name) is crying at the press conference
"it's a tough decision to make", they revised all the evidence, says it's pretty painful to be on a jury specially in that case.

[oodi]

What did a reporter ask that everyone groaned??

This woman is so BRAVE to speak out like this by herself. ahh, I feel bad, now she is crying....I feel bad, seems like she has enormous empathy!


I didn't quite catch it all, but I think it was about the missing fingernail.

[Details]

Doesn't sound like they formed any emotional bias towards Lana, nor against Spector. They went from the evidence, not personalities, followed what the judge told them.

No special one bit of evidence, the totality of the evidence.

[Crispy]

Trying to hear the reporters questions and I can't so it's making it difficult to type it, but she is not giving a lot of info on how they made their decision other than the totality of the evidence.

[oodi]

Wow, Juror 1, (didn't catch her name) is crying at the press conference
"it's a tough decision to make", they revised all the evidence, says it's pretty painful to be on a jury specially in that case.

You didn't miss her name... she declined to give it.

[Details]

Jurors escaping. Reporters were hoping to speak to a different juror - maybe one who might give them some meat to work with.

[Pruddennce]

excellent jurors.....reached their decision based on the TOTALITY of the evidence....which is how CE should be deliberated....AND with instructions on how to view the evidence in conjunction with the law.

kudos to her for speaking on the jury's behalf.

best regards,
Pru

[Details]

Defense attorney giving jury respect - and blah blah appeal, etc.

[lune3]

Jurors really took their deliberations very seriously, knowing the gravity of what was at stake. I commend them.

[kellabeck]

Is that Weinberg??

Yeah, yeah, yeah, overturned on appeal, blah, blah, blah.

[oodi]

Now that I hear DW's voice for the first time, I can now more clearly picture all the whining. :blink:

[cherylt]

Alright, "appeal" is mentioned already by Weinberg... I was thinking he wouldn't bother talking, too bad he did. :) Forget appeal, WEinberg, it's not happening!

[spydernweb2006]

OMG am I hearing this?

DW is slamming JF and his rulings!

What a piece of work!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[Pruddennce]

Defense attorney giving jury respect - and blah blah appeal, etc.


yes, blah blah.....and now mention of ALL OF THE ERRORS...of course.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[lune3]

Not a fair trial according to Weinberg? I don't think so.

[kellabeck]

Did AJ speak???

[cherylt]

Now that I hear DW's voice for the first time, I can now more clearly picture all the whining. :blink:


Me too! :lol: He should stop complaining now! Go away! He got a fair trial and just because YOU SAID HE DIDN'T does not make it true.

[Pruddennce]

laughable......shouldnt have brought in his past BAD ACTS thru witnesses.....OMG...lol

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Crispy]

Weinbergs up now. Doesn't think justice was done today. commend the jury but thinks they were wrong. Influenced by evidentiary rulings, plan to take it on appeal, every likelihood that this case will be set aside on appeal. Left them with very little chance to have a fair trial. Impossible for them to judge the case fairly. We accept the jurys verdict....are disappointed...enormous amount of pressure on juries on cases like this. Until appeal is resolved he will remain in custody, they will make motions to have him out. 1101B witnesses, no legal basis for the admissibility of them. PS is very realistic, he understood they could come back with a verdict

[kellabeck]

Spector understood it would be "quite likely" to be quilty?

Huh?

[Details]

Sounds to me like the jury did PRECISELY what juries are supposed to do - went in without having made up their minds, reviewed all the evidence to evaluate it, used that to come to a verdict - and they were right!

That takes time (under 30 hours for 5 months of trial - they were working hard), that takes focus (which means you need a break or so), and it takes commitment. It is a hard job because you are dealing with people's lives - put someone in jail for a decade or the rest of their life, tell a family that you think their child committed suicide, free a murderer, or imprison an innocent man, if you get it wrong.

[cherylt]

Did AJ speak???


Yes, about 10 minutes ago. Hopefully, IS will provide us all the coverage they could get tomorrow on TTV...

[Pruddennce]

Not a fair trial according to Weinberg? I don't think so.

fair enough that he sat home for years free as a bird awaiting his second trial. nice perk. now he can sit in jail awaiting formal sentencing. with his meds :)

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[oodi]

Did AJ speak???

Yes... at length. Hopefully, DW won't talk as long.

[Details]

Alright, "appeal" is mentioned already by Weinberg... I was thinking he wouldn't bother talking, too bad he did. :) Forget appeal, WEinberg, it's not happening!Defense always talks appeal - there is no such thing as a non-appealable trial, according to every one I've ever seen. No such thing as a proper and fair trial, by their standards.

[lune3]

Does Weinberg really believe what he's saying???

[vonna]

I had to step away from my desk...and I missed it. But good news!

I am with you on that vision Jo Wallace!

Heyl SusiePcD! I am as jubilant this time as I was depressed with the last hung jury. And now I understand why people dubbed Spector's attorney Whineberg!

[oodi]

Does Weinberg really believe what he's saying???

Why not??? I have to assume he believed PS, and we know that was a load of doo doo.

[kellabeck]

Defense is still trying to sell the absurd notion that Lana went to this stranger's home and took this gun-nut's gun and then shot herself in the back of throat while holding the gun UPRIGHT and with two hands and pressing the trigger with her thumbs, and that the chauffeur didn't hear what he heard and that any of the defense made any sense at all.

[vonna]

Spector understood it would be "quite likely" to be quilty?

Huh?

Maybe because he KNEW he was???

[Details]

Does Weinberg really believe what he's saying???IMO, no earthly way he doesn't know the logical holes in what he is saying - it's just PR.

[kellabeck]

Yes... at length. Hopefully, DW won't talk as long.

Sorry I missed that.

[Crispy]

He's not a young man and not in good health and he was going through this difficult process with as much ??? as he could. He accepted all the developments and moved forward. Great dignity (LOL) The best presentation of the evidence came from the scientific evidence. We thought it was about what the scientific and physical evidence showed and we thought it showed reasonable doubt. Doesn't think it's a question of bias, Fidler doing the best job he could. more troubling to him is what has developed around the issue of defense experts and defendants spending a lot of money, the pros had unlimited resources, unlimited checkbook, not required to keep track, but as soon as the defense puts on witnesses, have to hire and retain and first question is you've been paid, how much you've been paid...enormous burden on defendants who are in a position to hire their own attys and own experts, if he was indigent he would have had ????...really skews the system against the defense.

Lost sound

[Pruddennce]

Does Weinberg really believe what he's saying???

sure. now he is whining again about the justice system and spending money on the defense......ummm.....the analogy is quite lame and silly.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Mrs leach]

This was a long time coming but still sweet!! Now lovely Lana can RIP.
I guess Spector's "young" wife will have to think about a job now that the old man is going away for good & the Clarksons will have whatever finances he has left. This man has gotten away with so much its good to see it catch up w/him in his last years!!

[cherylt]

Defense always talks appeal - there is no such thing as a non-appealable trial, according to every one I've ever seen. No such thing as a proper and fair trial, by their standards.


I know that, just can't believe he is speaking AT LENGTH after losing a trial.

Now he is complaining about the costs when PS had his own "dream team" in the 1st trial & if he wasn't well off would have been in jail all this time, instead of in his cushy mansion! He's really ticking me off!

[trucrime]

Spector understood it would be "quite likely" to be quilty?

Huh?

that's cause he knows he did it. IMO.

[trucrime]

sure. now he is whining again about the justice system and spending money on the defense......ummm.....the analogy is quite lame and silly.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Why doesnt he bring up the FIRST trial and the FIRST Foreman who found them not guilty? HE'S the one who should be paying for this second retrial IMO.

[logbump]

I know that, just can't believe he is speaking AT LENGTH after losing a trial.

Now he is complaining about the costs when PS had his own "dream team" in the 1st trial & if he wasn't well off would have been in jail all this time, instead of in his cushy mansion! He's really ticking me off!
What you said!

[cherylt]

where are the whine and yawn smilies?

And the :barf: icon? :)

[kellabeck]

jury foreperson is now getting emotional. don't know why. the questions didn't upset her did they?

Give them a break. Long trial with lots of attention and any for any jury it's emotional.

[cherylt]

Why doesnt he bring up the FIRST trial and the FIRST Foreman who found them not guilty? HE'S the one who should be paying for this second retrial IMO.


TRUDAT!

:wink:

[kellabeck]

Phil's being outfitted in a jumpsuit and will FINALLY spend a first night behind bars AT LONG LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lune3]

Between 15 years and life in prison......sweet words.

[cherylt]

where is rachelle? dancing somewhere?


Maybe she is looking back at that memory right now...
Maybe she has a backup boyfriend she will run too...
We needed way more camera footage for other reactions.

[Cornblossom]

where is rachelle? dancing somewhere?
probably doing same thing she did last time....just a different leg. IMO

[cherylt]

kellaback - go here:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

I think NBC LA is in a loop & you should be able to hear AJ after the court proceedings...

[dreamlawyer]

Pressers are over, and I'm out of here. I'm so thankful that this jury took their job so seriously, follwed the law and convicted PS this time around. Finally, justice for Lana and those that loved and cared about her. Fabulous job by both of the DAs!

Hopefully, tomorrow IS will have coverage of this verdict.

[newsjunkie]

I had to leave after I heard the verdict and can't stay now.

Did they take him into custody today or on bail.

Thankyou in advance!

[Details]

Give them a break. Long trial with lots of attention and any for any jury it's emotional.Yep. Any major case and you're going to be emotional. You've just spent a bunch of time listening to the worst details of someone being murdered, you've been given two sides, the poor victim and the evil murderer, the suicide and the innocent hapless music producer, and you have to decide - do you send this person to jail for life? Or do you release them? You have to be certain - release them and it could be a killer you released. Lock them up and they might die in jail an innocent man. You have to be sure, and even then it's a hard choice.

[GPSpector]

where is rachelle? dancing somewhere?

I was told Rachelle looked like she was crying and my younger brother was non-reactionary. No one made a scene of any kind.

[*Spike*]

Justice has been served. RIP Lana :rose:

[KathR]

Thank you all for going through this long wait with me. I'm so glad it is over and it came out the way it did.

Goodbye for now. I'm sure we will all meet again during the Anthony trial. Hope Sprocket is on the case then too. I think she will be.

Wasn't it great how Sprocket scooped everyone. She had the verdict out way before NBC LA. She had all the news out first.

[Themis]

Between 15 years and life in prison......sweet words.
2nd Degree Murder: 15 years to Life

PLUS

3 to 10 years for the gun enhancement charge.

So: Minimum of 18 years

is the way I see it

[JMO * Themis]

[oodi]

I was told Rachelle looked like she was crying and my younger brother was non-reactionary. No one made a scene of any kind.


And how are you doing, Gary? I hope there is at least some relief that it is over.

[kellabeck]

kellaback - go here:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/live/?aid=31997849&vid=30518544

I think NBC LA is in a loop & you should be able to hear AJ after the court proceedings...

Thanks so much!

Everybody!! Watch Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN tonight. She's theonly one who covered deliberations so surely she will say something tonight.

[RayStar]

I am so glad this is over. Mrs. Clarkston can really get a good night sleep tonite.

I wonder what Ben is thinking now.:thumbdown:

[vonna]

I am so glad this is over. Mrs. Clarkston can really get a good night sleep tonite.

I wonder what Ben is thinking now.:thumbdown:

You credit that man with thinking??

[Mrs leach]

I was told Rachelle looked like she was crying and my younger brother was non-reactionary. No one made a scene of any kind.

maybe crying because her meal ticket is gone & I think the Clarksons will be getting whatever is left of PS's money. Do you know what is going on w/their civil suit??

[Carol25]

I bet Rachelle is jogging through the stores maxing out the cards as we speak....

[Pat]

Gary,

This must be a difficult day for you and you personally have my sympathy.

That said, I am glad this verdict has been reached because I believe Phil Spector is guilty. I followed the first trial and the second only reinforced my belief.

My heart goes out to Lana's mother. This verdict, as just as it is, will not bring Lana back but I hope it goes a long way in demolishing the outrageous smears about Lana by both defense teams.

To victimize Lana all over again after having killed her was a disgrace. I have not one scintilla of compassion for Spector. He will be where he belongs, and it has taken too long to get him there.

[Carol25]

maybe crying because her meal ticket is gone & I think the Clarksons will be getting whatever is left of PS's money. Do you know what is going on w/their civil suit??
Hope they get a fortune for every year they waited for justice, then give half to the boys.

But you know he's hidden any assets in his daughter's "enterprises" just like OJ did. Sorry, Rachelle, but you know what he thinks of women. Sorry, Weinberg.

[Mrs leach]

Hope they get a fortune for every year they waited for justice, then give half to the boys.

agreed!! It is so difficult to look at RS & thinks she is in this for anything but the money ,some women do marry much older men for love, I know,but not her.As long as she gets nothing.. I don't image there is alot of money left,does anybody know?? You would be surprised how some celebrities go through their money.

[Daisy'sMom]

I was told Rachelle looked like she was crying and my younger brother was non-reactionary. No one made a scene of any kind.

Gary, you have shown us what a true gentleman is and I thank you for your compassion towards the Clarkson Family. I hope that you and your family will be able to move forward, you must feel such emptiness right now. I am praying for you. ♥

[kennedy06]

He was realistic, DW knew, Phil knew IMO, so he knew he was spending his money on a probable fruitless effort. He rode the high of the fight and he was once again recognized, now what......he is processed...he changes clothes, he sleeps off that current load of meds and wakes up tomorrow who and thinks what? Is his fighting over, does he become once again the man from common beginnings?

JMO

[read-in]

HELLO TO EVERYONE;

I watched PS trial from day one... was devastated when it came back AS A HUNG JURY...............

I have waited a long time for this day to come. I was not sure it ever would.

Thanks to all of you for keeping up the march For Dear Lana:smile:
I lurk, more then I post..I so appreciate all of you...

I hope some peace can come to lana, and her dear mom.. at last...
again TIA for all the great post!!!

[GPSpector]

was your sister Nicole there?

I just called to confirm, my Sister was not there but both my Brothers were. The Young lady that was reported as my Sister may have been someone with my younger Brother.

[Carol25]

I wasn't baying for blood, but I was growing impatient and fearful that each day passing with no verdict might mean another hung jury. The prospect of PS getting off again infuriated me and these short days and number of breaks just heightened it for me. I must learn to be more patient during these watches and tolerant of the jurors ways.

Sometimes it's just hard to do as well as many of you did.

[kennedy06]

I just called to confirm, my Sister was not there but both my Brothers were. The Young lady that was reported as my Sister may have been someone with my younger Brother.

I can't help but wonder if the two they said were sitting with him at the table were Jennifer B. and the young assistant attorney and not members of your family as reported to be sitting there.

[GPSpector]

are you ok Gary?

Yes, I am ok. It was what I was expecting based on the evidence, but it was still a bit hard to hear, but I'm ok.

[LILMANMAX]

PS has moved lots of $ around in 6 years. He has had more than enough time.

I bet he is wishing he had kept some of his previous attorneys on the case.
And finally he will spend a night in jail.

[cook4andy]

I wasn't baying for blood, but I was growing impatient and fearful that each day passing with no verdict might mean another hung jury. The prospect of PS getting off again infuriated me and these short days and number of breaks just heightened it for me. I must learn to be more patient during these watches and tolerant of the jurors ways.

Sometimes it's just hard to do as well as many of you did.


Well said and ITA. I think your above post speaks for most of us. :thumbup:

[hiitsme]

You think justice has prevailed?barf

There is no question in my mind that justice has prevailed. Since many of Spector supporters haven't been around in awhile, why do you believe that justice has not prevailed? Only going by your barf icon.

[Carol25]

PS has moved lots of $ around in 6 years. He has had more than enough time.

I bet he is wishing he had kept some of his previous attorneys on the case.
And finally he will spend a night in jail.
He'll probably wake up when all the lights are off. Wonder where his mind will go. To the murder, the trial, the verdict? He probably doesn't even remember the verdict. But once he feels around, he'll figure out what it was.

[trucrime]

Yes, I am ok. It was what I was expecting based on the evidence, but it was still a bit hard to hear, but I'm ok.

Im glad you are ok. Im sure it wasnt easy to hear, sounds like you prepared yourself for the possibility but still to actually have it come true can be hard to stomach. I hope you & your siblings will be ok in the days to come.

[tampa-mom]

Well said and ITA. I think your above post speaks for most of us. :thumbup:

enjoyed waiting with you cook4andy. Justice at long last.

[lane99]

Just found out via Yahoo that was found guilty.

He did buy himself several years of reprieve, but at least, in the end, he hasn't gotten away with it completely.

Hope this gives some comfort to Ms. Clarkson's family.

[cook4andy]

enjoyed waiting with you cook4andy. Justice at long last.


Same here tampa-mom--:wub:

May the Clarksons and the Spector family find the peace they so deserve. :rose:

[kellabeck]

Yes, I am ok. It was what I was expecting based on the evidence, but it was still a bit hard to hear, but I'm ok.

Gary, my heart goes out to you and all of your father's victims. As much as I am celebrating belated justice, I am sad for what this verdict does not do: bring Lana back and give you what you deserved. But it's still justice.

And btw, the reason that I feel that Juror #10 was venal is his total inability to express any logic behind his "NG" vote in the first trial. Had he been able to actually talk about why he voted that way I would have had more respect for his vote. But since he couldn't and didn't, I believe his vote was totally fraudulent.

JMO

[penguin01]

Had a Dr appt all afternoon. SO glad this is over: THANK YOU jury! Sorry we were so impatient and we are glad you did a good a thorough job.

Good to hear you are OK Gary; I know it doesn't come as a surprise, but hard for you anyway. Let us know how your brothers are holding up - maybe we'll hear from Louis. Please let him know we are thinking of him. I'm surprised your sister was not there today: perhaps she knew what was coming and didn't want to deal with it publicly.

WHEW: at last, at last!:patriot:

[kennedy06]

I keep thinking back to the black and white video of Lana blowing out the candle before she left work. Such a shame......

Whoever helped warp his mind (enabling too) should have a little guilt on their own souls too. He for sure is responsible for his own actions but.......

:unsure:

[Details]

Yeah I totally agree with what you've said, but unfortunately, the majority on here have criticised and ridiculed the Jury non-stop; they didn't seem bothered about the verdict as long as it was quick and what they thought. This is not a board about PS guilty non-stop; but a board about the trial, etc, and I don't see why people who post a controversial opinion are shut down or made to shudder in the shadows. This is free speech and everyone is allowed to say their opinion isn't it?I don't see shuddering in the shadows - you post your opinion, others post theirs. You haven't been shut down - someone pointed out that you weren't a prisoner here if it was making you ill - that's it. In fact, those with controversial opinions have been quite vocal at times, and sometimes quite abusive on their own.

However - a bunch of people disagreeing with you when you post a controversial opinion is merely their own free speech, not shutting you down. I don't know if you believe that - some do - that it's their right to speak whatever they like, but if multiple people disagree, that's wrong somehow, only one or two people should disagree, for some reason. You have a different opinion - you can expect many people to disagree, and to tell you why. That's as it should be.

Yep, some people did abuse the jury like mad. I think the jury more than proved them wrong - and hopefully they'll remember that next time. At the same time - I remember that it's more about frustration than anything.

[aubrey04]

Yes, I am ok. It was what I was expecting based on the evidence, but it was still a bit hard to hear, but I'm ok.

I am sorry, Gary. No matter what happened in the past, I know this has to be a really tough day for you. You're in my thoughts today, as are your brothers and Lana's family.. I was having flashbacks of the trial and thought of one of the "prior bad acts" female witnesses that had passed away after the first trial: Diane Ogden. Too bad she didn't live to see the verdict.

A lot of lives were shattered by this man. The verdict certainly doesn't heal all the wounds he's inflicted, but maybe Lana's family can start to heal now and have some peace in their lives... and all of Spector's other victims.

I completely agree with this verdict, after watching the first trial start to finish. He is guilty of second degree murder.

[DeeJay]

Maybe with what Spector paid him he could. Just kidding!

My sentiments exactly. :thumbsup:

[GPSpector]

Had a Dr appt all afternoon. SO glad this is over: THANK YOU jury! Sorry we were so impatient and we are glad you did a good a thorough job.

Good to hear you are OK Gary; I know it doesn't come as a surprise, but hard for you anyway. Let us know how your brothers are holding up - maybe we'll hear from Louis. Please let him know we are thinking of him. I'm surprised your sister was not there today: perhaps she knew what was coming and didn't want to deal with it publicly.

WHEW: at last, at last!:patriot:

I believe my Sister lives in New York. It would not be very convenient for her to fly out to California everyday to see if there is a verdict. Although, If I could have afforded it, I would have flown there and stayed, but than, I am between jobs so I would not have a job to worry about.

I'm sure she wishes now, that she could have been there. I know I do.

[vonna]

Do you know what, maybe justice was done today, BUT, I don't agree with the baying for blood that seems to have gone on here for Phil Spector. You have criticised the Jury and now they are your best friends and all the cookie breaks have seemingly been forgotten.

This reminded me of the old films you watch, where people were hung infront of the public who were cheering loudly for more. I have every empathy for Lana and her family but the way you have gone about it, well, it makes me want to vomit.

Nic

Hopefully not on your keyboard!

[Juror #9]

how did it feel hearing a verdict?

Priceless!!!!!

[wasapi]

Nic99, very well said.

This, in my opinion, is not a day of festive jubilation.

Of course I hope that this helps Lana's family to feel some justice is finally theirs. But - and I dislike the word closure - those who lose a child, even an adult child, never feel complete again.

Based on the evidence I very much agree with the verdict. It was protracted, but it finally came. But I also know that there are people who love PS. Even if they too agree with the verdict, it didn't come free of painful emotions.

[vonna]

You think justice has prevailed?barf

Most assuredly. Thank heavens there was no block headed juror this time.

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks so much!

Everybody!! Watch Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN tonight. She's theonly one who covered deliberations so surely she will say something tonight.

Just saw her talking about the verdict with Drew Findlay.

[FrankieBones1]

I was told Rachelle looked like she was crying and my younger brother was non-reactionary. No one made a scene of any kind.

Are you holding up okay? I imagine you are filled with mixed emotions.

[WYSIWYG]

Thanks be to God.

~S~

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks so much!

Everybody!! Watch Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN tonight. She's theonly one who covered deliberations so surely she will say something tonight.
I was hoping there would be more after the break but she went on to something else.

I feel like celebrating the verdict. I feel jubilant! Justice has been served finally.

[DeeJay]

most blocks are porous to some degree, not sure about #10..... nothing would sink into his head :laugh:

I hope he feels as sick to his stomach as PS looks.

I also hope this [rightful]verdict is like a slap in the face to #10 & the nutcase that voted not guilty along with him.

[vonna]

I hope he feels as sick to his stomach as PS looks.

I also hope this [rightful]verdict is like a slap in the face to #10 & the nutcase that voted not guilty along with him.

Dollars to donuts he still feels he's right and the world is wrong!!

[Spring]

Congratulations to Sprocket and her first rate coverage.!!!

I cannot wait to see spector's booking shot......without his wig. :lol:

Omg! Can you believe it scamp? It's been long in coming but there is finally justice for Lana. Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just knew verdict would come in while I was at work.

[dref99]

IMO, many were blaming jurors (many were not) for how long they deliberated. The blame is on the court system for having only a 4.5 hour deliberation day. The jurors were just following the rules.

Hi Why - my post is mainly directed to Nic99 - I just didn't want to quote, yet again, the unjustified and pointless attack she made on a number of posters - who under the circumstances have been amazingly polite!

Over the past 12 months this has been one of the politest boards on IS - the discussion has rested on PS and Lana and the witnesses. Few had been venting about about others involved in the case. A couple of posters liked to be very cruel towards the victim, but they didn't stay around for long.

To be frustrated with the jury taking this length of time - especially given the trial 1 situation is not something that is unusual, unexpected or otherwise to be commented about.

Nothing like trying to pass around the guilts over a just sentence - which took too many years and too many heartaches before it was reached. I have seen little for anyone to apologise about.

It seems there is always someone who has to disagree to disagree - rather than be thankful that delayed justice has turned into real justice

jmo

[Mr. Moto2]

Nothing on Youtube yet. Is there video of the verdict anywhere?

Will this be the first night Spector spends in jail since the murder?

[DeeJay]

I watched ever minute of the first trial. Followed the retrial on sprocket's blog, dropping in there several times, throughout each day.

I am more than pleased with this guilty verdict and the prison years facing PS....That said, I am sad for Lana's family and friends, no matter the verdict, they will not have Lana back with them.

[kennedy06]

Thanks for that. I REALLY appreciate it. I am beginning to feel like a leper, but my opinions, really aren't that contreversial, but hey, I'm allowed them.

Nic

Don't feel like a leper.....why is it the only person I don't feel concern for his Chelle? So she walks back into a big castle no one to hold her accountable maybe. I thought for sure we would hear of a big outburst, a news conference afterwards something from her. Maybe her heart is broken...who knows.

[DeeJay]

Nothing on Youtube yet. Is there video of the verdict anywhere?

Will this be the first night Spector spends in jail since the murder?

Nothing on youtube. I've checked about every half hour since the verdict.

This is PS's first night in jail....many, many more nights to come....in prison.

[vonna]

Nothing on Youtube yet. Is there video of the verdict anywhere?

Will this be the first night Spector spends in jail since the murder?

He may have spent one night there until Robert Shapiro engineered his release and made contact with all the defense "experts."

[FrankieBones1]

I always wonder what goes thru the mind of the first jury when this happens. Do they realize they failed the state and the people have to foot the bill for their failure. If I understand correctly, Ca. can hardly pay it's bills already. Wonder the final cost of this second trial?

Well, he got 2 more yrs of freedom. Probably the last free days of his life. the whole idea of suicide was so asinine, I just could not see the first jury being snuckered by LKB and co.

It wasn't the entire jury in the first trial. It was caused by one man.

[vonna]

OOOOOOOOOO.....Be still my bells.......

I was prepared to see the baiters and snarkers come out of the woodworks when a verdict was reached.


But after the verdict, I let my guard down. Then WHAM! Outta nowhere comes an attack on our board.

For those of you who are "sick" to be here, please go back to wherever you are from and be sick in your own home. You have the right to your own opinion...but NOT when that "opinion" slams the board or posters.

We, on this board, call it flaming.

Applause for the Jester!!!!

[trucrime]

<snipped>
And btw, the reason that I feel that Juror #10 was venal is his total inability to express any logic behind his "NG" vote in the first trial. Had he been able to actually talk about why he voted that way I would have had more respect for his vote. But since he couldn't and didn't, I believe his vote was totally fraudulent.


I couldnt agree more. I only think the other woman juror voted on his side just so he wouldnt be alone. I honestly think if #10 felt he was innocent the woman would have agreed. IMO.

[cherylt]

Pressers are over, and I'm out of here. I'm so thankful that this jury took their job so seriously, follwed the law and convicted PS this time around. Finally, justice for Lana and those that loved and cared about her. Fabulous job by both of the DAs!

Hopefully, tomorrow IS will have coverage of this verdict.


Dare we dream? They are playing the ORLEWICZ case again! Egads... can't they get a clue? I know we discussed this but they should have played the closings that the MEDIA has on tape... I am going to hope w/ you that tomorrow they do the right thing by us & take the whole day!! I think they owe us that since they got us into this case in the first place!

To KathR - totally right about Sprocket. She is the best! I don't know how we would have gotten along w/out her & her updates!! Kudos to Sprocket! (I'll go over there as well to give her props)

[Juror #9]

I always wonder what goes thru the mind of the first jury when this happens. Do they realize they failed the state and the people have to foot the bill for their failure. If I understand correctly, Ca. can hardly pay it's bills already. Wonder the final cost of this second trial?

Well, he got 2 more yrs of freedom. Probably the last free days of his life. the whole idea of suicide was so asinine, I just could not see the first jury being snuckered by LKB and co.


Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest. We did the best we could. Get over it and move on. He is guilty and gone for the rest of his life!!!

[trucrime]

It wasn't the entire jury in the first trial. It was caused by one man.

I agree, but also you have to give partial fault to the woman who also voted NG.

But without #10, she never would have voted guilty JMO.

Still - it would have given more power to the Guilty side who complained about #10 being a contol freak/not able to see anyone elses point of view.

I still wish Fidler would have kicked him off and replaced him with an alternate. IMO.

[trucrime]

Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest. We did the best we could. Get over it and move on. He is guilty and gone for the rest of his life!!!

#9 I dont blame you, or the others.

I blame #10 Ben and the woman who voted NG with him.

I know the rest of you tried HARD. IMO.

[vonna]

Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest. We did the best we could. Get over it and move on. He is guilty and gone for the rest of his life!!!

You're right, Juror #9. One man was suckered - not the jury. The rest of you couldn't overcome his obstinacy.

[Shameonme]

Thanks for that. I REALLY appreciate it. I am beginning to feel like a leper, but my opinions, really aren't that contreversial, but hey, I'm allowed them.

Nic

I agree with you 100% nic99 have a nice day.

[GPSpector]

Thanks be to God.

~S~

I'd be careful giving God credit for influencing the Jury. That may be grounds for an appeal, or at least DW may claim that. :wink:

Sorry, just trying to find the lighter side to this.

[dref99]

Vonna, i thought he was out the same day. i could be wrong.

According to the police reports he was
Arrested 02/03/03 0609 hours
Susp-Spector released on bail 02/03/03 1900 hours

So spent 13 hours at the jail - no overnight.

[Travelbound]

Bout time ole PS got his just desserts!!!!

[vonna]

I'd be careful giving God credit for influencing the Jury. That may be grounds for an appeal, or at least DW may claim that. :wink:

Sorry, just trying to find the lighter side to this.

Good one, Gary! And I am so sorry for the pain this must have caused you.

[Travelbound]

According to the police reports he was
Arrested 02/03/03 0609 hours
Susp-Spector released on bail 02/03/03 1900 hours

So spent 13 hours at the jail - no overnight.

Start a new clock!!!!:thumbsup:

[dref99]

Well I feel I am allowed my opinion, and I am sorry if you dont agree with it, but, many posters here have done nothing but MOAN about the Jury and their breaks and their cookie choices, etc, so concerned that they should come to a QUICK decision, but be it the right one? I wanted the Jury to deliberate long enough to make sure they made the right decision, so got fed up in the end with the constant moaning by the posters here, as I know did others BTW. Anyway you have your decision as you wanted it, so I'm sure you must be glad. You dont know what I wanted and you prob dont care, what does it matter. I am sure you will have your tongue hanging out in the end of May.

It is sad you had to appear and start attacking posters. Nobody objects to what you wanted in terms of the jury - so stop attacking what other folks may have wanted. It is so sad, that after a just verdict, you have to find something/someone to attack.

It is as well this trial wasn't filmed - we learnt how to post in harmony

jmo

[DeeJay]

NG just said, Spector may just be facing 18 yrs. behind bars!!

BUT at his age.....18 yrs. is life, my dear Nancy.

[dref99]

I'd be careful giving God credit for influencing the Jury. That may be grounds for an appeal, or at least DW may claim that. :wink:

Sorry, just trying to find the lighter side to this.

Nice to see your sense of humour Gary. Riordan (the man on the phone) may well be handling the appeal - although, I have a suspicion it may never get to be.

It was also nice to hear DW say that he saw no bias in Judge Fidler - they simply disagreed on some issues.

jmo

[rem16]

Nothing on Youtube yet. Is there video of the verdict anywhere?

Will this be the first night Spector spends in jail since the murder?


Found a video of the verdict here..


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html

[vonna]

It is sad you had to appear and start attacking posters. Nobody objects to what you wanted in terms of the jury - so stop attacking what other folks may have wanted. It is so sad, that after a just verdict, you have to find something/someone to attack.

It is as well this trial wasn't filmed - we learnt how to post in harmony

jmo

You really think there's a correlation between watching a trial and being quarrelsome when posting? I'd say it has more to do with the number of trolls appearing to disrupt the harmony.

[steffaroob4]

yes!!!!

Just got home, great job AJ!!!!

All I got to see was this clip from today (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html), darn kids.
Any better clips out there? TIA

[dref99]

NG just said, Spector may just be facing 18 yrs. behind bars!!

BUT at his age.....18 yrs. is life, my dear Nancy.

Interesting that everyone goes for the 3 years for the gun enhancement. I think he will get the maximum and be looking at 25 years - so definitely life

jmo

[DeeJay]

Interesting that everyone goes for the 3 years for the gun enhancement. I think he will get the maximum and be looking at 25 years - so definitely life

jmo

Along with the other 5 propensitys for waving guns at women = a dangerous person. All 5 of those *do* count in sentencing.

[GPSpector]

Interesting that everyone goes for the 3 years for the gun enhancement. I think he will get the maximum and be looking at 25 years - so definitely life

jmo

I thought "Gun Enhancement" added 10 years to what ever sentence he gets, not 3?

[GPSpector]

Just to let you all know, Marc Germain will have his regular trial blogger guest on tonight and maybe me. I'll decide when he calls.

If I do it, I'll tug my ear so you know it's really me, like I do on all my interviews:wink:

Just don't expect any father bashing.

[dref99]

What a sad case. An innocent, talented, fun loving woman murdered. The agony that her family had to endure through two trials. The children of the defendant and all that they have been through. Here was a guy who had it all. Everything except self control. It is a real shame he didn't try to get himself some help. I wonder if when he left his castle today if he knew it was for the last time. Rest in Peace Lana...

Hi JD80

Just wanted to endorse your wonderful post - there really are no winners.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[GPSpector]

Hi JD80

Just wanted to endorse your wonderful post - there really are no winners.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

Thank you for the link. I pay my respect when I can.

[dref99]

Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest. We did the best we could. Get over it and move on. He is guilty and gone for the rest of his life!!!

I'm sure you did everything possible #9 - I hope you can now put all this behind you as well. I appreciate all that you shared - it helped to understand events as they were.


jmo

[Feebee]

Well, Im elated that PS will finally pay for his crime!

I wonder who Chelle is doing the happy hump dance with now!

[cherylt]

Had a Dr appt all afternoon. SO glad this is over: THANK YOU jury! Sorry we were so impatient and we are glad you did a good a thorough job.

Good to hear you are OK Gary; I know it doesn't come as a surprise, but hard for you anyway. Let us know how your brothers are holding up - maybe we'll hear from Louis. Please let him know we are thinking of him. I'm surprised your sister was not there today: perhaps she knew what was coming and didn't want to deal with it publicly.

WHEW: at last, at last!:patriot:


Hey Penguin! You missed it???!! Darn! Well, at least u r here now. I was wondering where you & Royals were...

Can you believe it? Finally after 6 years he will spend the night in prison! And many nights to come...

I too hope you are OK Gary. You are a gentleman as others have said, and I feel bad for u and your family. I wish you much peace.

[Juror #9]

I'm sure you did everything possible #9 - I hope you can now put all this behind you as well. I appreciate all that you shared - it helped to understand events as they were.

jmo

In the rearview mirror. I am so glad Lana's faimily is finally enjoying the justice they deserve. Nothing can make up for their loss. Now onward to the civil suit. Justice delayed is just that - Justice delayed.

[oodi]

can't we all just get along????

[oodi]

Yeah... what Why? said! :biggrin:

[vonna]

Oh my, I have NOT slammed poster, only repeated what they have said on here, so if that is slamming, well then I consider myself slammed... I will NOT be bulled by you as I know you have bullied others who have not agreed with you. I have not said anything deliberately to annoy anyone and I find your post very offensive. So REPORT and IGNORE back to you.....

I don't now how long you have followed this case but many of us here were glued to the TV during the many months of the first trial. I felt like a prisoner - only leaving for necessary appointments and groceries. Then the enormous disappointment of having one man hang the jury. After another interminable delay - once again our lives almost centered around news of the second trial. The frustration was huge - do you wonder about the many doubts that appeared - the negativity? I vacillated between believing ALL the jurors were rational and being afraid that perhaps there could be another BenTen. After years of awaiting justice for the act of which the prosecution proved Spector guilty - do you wonder at the happiness and relief we felt and expressed? We Americans do more than say "Good show."

[oodi]

i think this is my last trial... it bugs me too much when a justice is not served.....

But it's still very interesting to watch the process. And somewhere, somehow, some way... justice is always served. It just may not be done in a courtroom.

[Topher]

Some of the things that I've read have me confused. People are posting 15 yrs and 3 years for the gun. I thought that the sentence for 2nd Degree Murder started at 15 yrs minimum, and went up to life, and was up to the judge at the sentencing hearing. If that is so, I cannot see this judge giving a minimum sentence to someone who seems totally remorseless, and has a history of erratic gun behavior.

As for any Clarkson civil suit. I believe that Spector has had YEARS to prepare for that contingency ala Simpson, with most assets having been either hidden or transferred where they cannot be touched by any judgement.

As I have posted before: I do not foresee Spector going to the type of prison with conditions which many posters seem think that he will be incarcerated in. He will probably end up in the type of facilty that Dr Jeffrey MacDonald was shown lazing away at in his "60 Minutes" interview, living in a sweet bungalow without bars or Bubbas.

After much reading, watching the first trial, and following the second, my take on Sepctor is that his personality will not allow him to face a long term in prison. If he remains remanded until sentencing, I think that something will happen, possibly a severe mental breakdown, requiring him to spend a long time in a luxuorious mental health facility. I do not know about his health, maybe a heart attack will preclude the sentencing. Or, maybe something else. Spector just strikes me as a very tightly wound control freak, who could never be incarcerated, and live by the rules of others, for any length of time.

Topher

[KaraokeDiva]

Just to let you all know, Marc Germain will have his regular trial blogger guest on tonight and maybe me. I'll decide when he calls.

If I do it, I'll tug my ear so you know it's really me, like I do on all my interviews:wink:

Just don't expect any father bashing.Gary, with the conclusion of this case I'm sure we will lose contact with each other... I just want you to know that I admire you more than words can adequately express.

[Juror #9]

Hi Juror #9 Thanks for all of your hard work in trial 1. Just a quick question. When Spitz, Baden & De Maio were testifying, how much of that was believable?

For me, not much if any.

[Details]

Topher - I think everyone is talking about the minimums, because they are what Spector is now guarenteed. He should get more, substantially more - but what you know for sure is 18 years, and that's going to be a long time at his age. IMO, the point is, even the absolute minimum, is a good amount.

[vonna]

Thanks, I would have liked to have been ringside for Spitz vs, AJ. They went at it pretty good. AJ had him on the ropes and was goin' for the KO.

DiMaio acted more in the capacity of an advocate than a scientist.

[dref99]

Oh my, I have NOT slammed poster, only repeated what they have said on here, so if that is slamming, well then I consider myself slammed... I will NOT be bulled by you as I know you have bullied others who have not agreed with you. I have not said anything deliberately to annoy anyone and I find your post very offensive. So REPORT and IGNORE back to you.....

Nic99

Why not calm down & give up attacking posters. You started this sad issue by suggesting people were not happy with the jury and were attacking them. You then got somewhat nasty towards anyone (sadly including me) who disagreed with your post.

It was my aim to make it through to a verdict with a single user-id and I am pleased to say - I got there. Did I get frustrated and annoyed with other posters along the way - yes - did I throw out personal attacks - very rarely and hopefully against the point of view someone held, not the person.

If you had said "I am really pleased that this jury took the time to find the right decision" everyone would have agreed, but what you said was
the majority on here have criticised and ridiculed the Jury non-stop and I found that to be blatently untrue. I for one, was very scared we would have another hung jury, I thought the jury was having problems - but I didn't criticise and ridicule them non-stop. I gave my opinion, I wondered why it was taking so long - I thought it should take much less time.

You are perfectly free to disagree with my arguments any time you like, but along with others, I think it much better to criticise the issues, not the posters.

jmo

[oodi]

Darn good post, oodi. Thank you. After OJ, I was so embittered that I essentially ignored our criminal justice system. When I came back to watching, I realized that we a blessed to have the system that we do, no matter if an individual verdict is what I was expecting or not.

Our system is not perfect. But the double blessing is that we can change it.


Thanks CJ!

Now I'm hoping there will be justice in the Sandra Cantu case. This one is of particular interest to me, since it is so close to home (geographically).

[Themis]

I'd be careful giving God credit for influencing the Jury. That may be grounds for an appeal, or at least DW may claim that. :wink:

Sorry, just trying to find the lighter side to this.
Speaking of Weinberg it was less than a year ago he defended another high-profile client albeit it was in his normal stomping grounds of San Francisco. That was radio talk show host, Bernie Ward, who ended up pleading guilty to child porn so he only got 7 years. Wonder who is Weinberg's next in his personal line-up of despicable clients.

Shapiro worked his magic back in 2003 with Spector spending only hours in jail; he left via a back door at 7 P.M. on February 4, 2003 according to the linked article in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/04/us/record-producer-phil-spector-charged-with-murder.html

I will always wonder if Spector had stuck with Shapiro who had/has connections and savvy if Spector would not be a free man today after serving minimal time for a much lesser offense. [JMO * Themis]

[oodi]

Does anyone know who the atty is that will represent PS in the civil case? I don't remember hearing anything about it, other than it was on hold until the criminal trial was over.

[cherylt]

Blah, blah, blah. Give it a rest. We did the best we could. Get over it and move on. He is guilty and gone for the rest of his life!!!


I agree, #9. The actions of ONE person does not render the whole jury incapable. You did all you could do & it was obvious that #10 wouldn't change his mind, maybe even WITH a video camera and every angle possible. No #10 on this jury and we are glad. YOU did everything you could and YOU can help if there was someone on the jury who was unreasonable. I can't imagine how frustrating that was!!

[Juror #9]

Yep, he was all over the place in trial 1. Talking about taking guns away from people and when he brought up Paris as an actress I knew he was way out of touch.

Since she was much bigger than Spector, he said, she should have take the gun away from him and get away.

[Juror #9]

Since she was much bigger than Spector, he said, she should have take the gun away from him and get away.

This is what DiMaio said at the first trial.

[dref99]

Does anyone know who the atty is that will represent PS in the civil case? I don't remember hearing anything about it, other than it was on hold until the criminal trial was over.

There is a very small amount re the civil trial here
http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/courtnews/highProfile/hpcaselist.aspx
It was put on hold, for the criminal trial/s. I doubt whoever is the lawyer would have much impact - as the criminal guilty only leaves the amount to be determined.

It must have cost the Clarkson's a small fortune to have their lawyer present throughout all these proceedings. I assume they will be claiming all his expenses as well.

It would seem there is not alot of capital to be had - but he does still have a large income. I would think the Clarkson's would be able to claim from that income - but I have no legal knowledge of same. Wonder if they can ask for the bail money/security to be held in limbo for them?? That would be nice - I guess unlikely.

jmo

[cherylt]

NG just said, Spector may just be facing 18 yrs. behind bars!!

BUT at his age.....18 yrs. is life, my dear Nancy.


True, so true. But, 3 is the MIN for the gun enhancement. I fully expect Fidler to give him the max of 10. So 25 yrs ensures life, imo...

[oodi]

I guess the last three I closely followed bothered me a great deal....

John Cooey (murdered Jessica Lunsford) just sickened me. How Mark Lunsford sat in the courtroom daily amazes me.

PS1 for obvious reasons.

Cynthia Sommer murder trial. Cynthia was found guilty... finally exonerated.

I agree with you on Mark Lunsford... that man should qualify for sainthood!!!!

[Exiled.]

It is sad you had to appear and start attacking posters. Nobody objects to what you wanted in terms of the jury - so stop attacking what other folks may have wanted. It is so sad, that after a just verdict, you have to find something/someone to attack.

It is as well this trial wasn't filmed - we learnt how to post in harmony

jmo

Thats funny, because had the verdict gone a different direction, or if the jury had hung.... there is no doubt in my mind the attacks would be relentless.

imo.. of course.

[eagleeer]

Oh my, I have NOT slammed poster, only repeated what they have said on here, so if that is slamming, well then I consider myself slammed... I will NOT be bulled by you as I know you have bullied others who have not agreed with you. I have not said anything deliberately to annoy anyone and I find your post very offensive. So REPORT and IGNORE back to you.....

Au Contraire, since you have come here, you have imposed your will on this board. You have now resorted to rude, disparaging and snarky comments about the posters here. You most certainly have deliberately said things to annoy posters here. Jester is well respected here and you are making yourself less welcome as the days go by. My last point to you is why are you so interested in our Justice System? You certainly don't have anything to boast about in yours. As far as being offensive, you give a new meaning to the word.

[cherylt]

Nice to see your sense of humour Gary. Riordan (the man on the phone) may well be handling the appeal - although, I have a suspicion it may never get to be.

It was also nice to hear DW say that he saw no bias in Judge Fidler - they simply disagreed on some issues.

jmo


Methinks DW is a bit of a fibber. Because in the beginning they tried to get Fidler recused from the case saying just that - that he was BIASED in favor of the Pros...
IIRC

[dref99]

Speaking of Weinberg it was less than a year ago he defended another high-profile client albeit it was in his normal stomping grounds of San Francisco. That was radio talk show host, Bernie Ward, who ended up pleading guilty to child porn so he only got 7 years. Wonder who is Weinberg's next in his personal line-up of despicable clients.

Shapiro worked his magic back in 2003 with Spector spending only hours in jail; he left via a back door at 7 P.M. on February 4, 2003 according to the linked article in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/04/us/record-producer-phil-spector-charged-with-murder.html

I will always wonder if Spector had stuck with Shapiro who had/has connections and savvy if Spector would not be a free man today after serving minimal time for a much lesser offense. [JMO * Themis]

Many people thought Shapiro had probably worked a manslaughter deal - especially after the article in the press by the UK producer - whose name always escapes me - I think the time mentioned was about 9 years. It would have meant Lana's family getting some money instead of the Lawyers - it does seem that PS prefers to pay lawyers.

I wonder if he will continue his case against Robert Shapiro?

jmo

[dref99]

Methinks DW is a bit of a fibber. Because in the beginning they tried to get Fidler recused from the case saying just that - that he was BIASED in favor of the Pros...
IIRC

It was still nice to hear him say it - whether he believed it or not. I think many of the issues that he brought up at trial came from the requirements of his client, not his own opinion - as it probably should be.

It will be interesting to see if the prosecutors take the perjury charge against one of the witnesses any further.

jmo

[vonna]

Right, and didn't he say all you have to do is put the webbing of your thumb between the hammer on the gun and the gun can't shoot? Also I believe he said he personally had guns pointed at him and took them away.

DiMaio was the court jester in the first trial.

[Anakerie]

almost 7 in LA, does anyone know where Chelle is?
Perhaps sitting in the castle with Mommy looking through the apartments for rent columns in the local paper...

Nah... I doubt if she'd do that... But I think she, Mommy and the body guards are kicking back there at the castle...

[Exiled.]

My, My....how viscious your posts have become, nic99. If you were so disgusted by our members posts, why in the h*ll did you stay on this board? Is there nothing going on in England to interest you?

We enjoy differences of opinions. But slamming posters, derogatory statements and insults are not welcome.

OK, Boys and Girls...can we say REPORT and IGNORE?


Gee.. I'm attacked on a regular basis. Could you follow me around and make sure it doesn't happen to me anymore? Any assistance is appreciated.

[kennedy06]

almost 7 in LA, does anyone know where Chelle is?

I was surprised there was no report on her leaving the courthouse, no questions asked by reporters:confused:

[oodi]

"Au Contraire" :confused:

French = the language of love.

eagleeer,

Are you trying to spread some love? :biggrin:

[wasapi]

Does anyone know who the atty is that will represent PS in the civil case? I don't remember hearing anything about it, other than it was on hold until the criminal trial was over.

Oh, a really good question.

Anyone?

[oodi]

I was surprised there was no report on her leaving the courthouse, no questions asked by reporters:confused:

She probably high tailed it out a back door somewhere.

Although, DW did state at the press conference after the verdict, that he had told PS he would come in and talk to him, to advise him on what to expect next. I assume that is why he left the press conference so quickly, and left his associates to handle any more questions. I don't know if that would take place before he was transported to jail, and maybe she might be in on that meeting or not.

[dref99]

Thats funny, because had the verdict gone a different direction, or if the jury had hung.... there is no doubt in my mind the attacks would be relentless.

imo.. of course.

I have no idea what may have happened in other circumstances - as I said - I prefer to discuss the argument, not the poster. If Mr Spector had been found not guilty, I am sure there would have been much grinding of teeth - but it would not change the result. I also think, given the evidence, there was no hope of any jury finding a not guilty. Even most defense supporters were hoping for a "hung" jury

jmo

[Mr. Moto2]

Found a video of the verdict here..


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html

Thanks. Looks like his lawyer was more surprised than him. I saw Spector's hands shaking as if he had Parkinson's. What's with that?

[kennedy06]

She probably high tailed it out a back door somewhere.

Although, DW did state at the press conference after the verdict, that he had told PS he would come in and talk to him, to advise him on what to expect next. I assume that is why he left the press conference so quickly, and left his associates to handle any more questions. I don't know if that would take place before he was transported to jail, and maybe she might be in on that meeting or not.

You may be right oodi.

I guess I have a little distorted view of it being just him and her dealing with everything. He may have other assistants, attorneys already protecting his belongings, papers and things. More than he just walked out the door today and left everything for the pickings.

[bearwds]

I thought I would let the rush of folks Post before I took a turn.

I'm pleased with the outcome as I, like many others, followed this murder since day one.

Justice was more than served. With all the resources at his command, Spector couldn't stop the inevitable. Witnesses that were bought and paid for couldn't stop the inevitable. A questionable juror in the first trial couldn't do anything but delay it.

I only hope there is some comfort in Ms. Clarkson's home and heart tonight.

As far as Board Posters go, they are the nicest folks around. If anyone has any doubts just take a look at the comments the general public has since the verdict.

I'll be taking down my signature line now after about 2 years.

R.I.P. Lana


bearwds

[oodi]

You may be right oodi.

I guess I have a little distorted view of it being just him and her dealing with everything. He may have other assistants, attorneys already protecting his belongings, papers and things. More than he just walked out the door today and left everything for the pickings.

Who knows. Given the way he has looked from what little video we've seen of him this trial, she may be in complete control of things, or have complete authority. I guess it also depends on whether or not there was a prenup, and what is says.

[kennedy06]

oh bearwds, that was really nice of you for all this time to leave that sig line.....I guess the time has come huh...yes RIP Lana

:rose: