Verdict: Guilty - murder 2

[SusiePMcD]

Heyl SusiePcD! I am as jubilant this time as I was depressed with the last hung jury. And now I understand why people dubbed Spector's attorney Whineberg!

Hello sweet Vonna...

Sorry everyone ...for I am just catching up after dinner. I want to say

I'm so impressed with this jury. They took their job very seriously...and

the outcome was a "positive" for such a "negative" act against LANA.

My heart go out to the families...on both sides. But JUSTICE was done.

The system worked ...as it should. I thank all of you for keeping me

in tune with all the happenings of this trial... now it is Casey Anthony's

turn to "face the music." (FYI...I love reading all of your posts..brings

back memories from all you fine folks from spector one. And all the

others that have joined here for a "JUST" cause) I will sleep great

tonight...take care ...to all of you wonderful posters.

[DebinNv]

I had to leave shortly after the verdict was announced, did the jury give a press conference?

TIA

[Curlyjo]

sto·ic (stk)
n.
1. One who is seemingly indifferent to or unaffected by joy, grief, pleasure, or pain.
2. Stoic A member of an originally Greek school of philosophy, founded by Zeno about 308 b.c., believing that God determined everything for the best and that virtue is sufficient for happiness. Its later Roman form advocated the calm acceptance of all occurrences as the unavoidable result of divine will or of the natural order.

Myself...he knew the truth...and accepted it ...but I believe he will be fighting every day from his jail cell to change the truth. JMO

[SusiePMcD]

Think I'll bake a punkin pie do the happy dance on it,have a glass of wine and hopefully the dog will eat the pie mess! LMAO



OH...MY ...GAWD...Corny...nice to SEE you.

Playing catch up here..but had to address your awesome sense of

humor...you slay me dear. So...how's you "woodchipper" doing?

[cherylt]

It was still nice to hear him say it - whether he believed it or not. I think many of the issues that he brought up at trial came from the requirements of his client, not his own opinion - as it probably should be.

It will be interesting to see if the prosecutors take the perjury charge against one of the witnesses any further.

jmo


Yes, that will be interesting to see. My guess will be no, they won't because they got the conviction sought (& deserved). But based on principal, they should IMO. I would love to see Lisa Bloom again. He wants to challenge HER and HER memory? Stuuuuuupid! :)

Well, re: Weinberg, I am of the other opinion: be consistent. If you don't believe it, just don't say it out loud. But I can understand what your saying... I just don't like hypocrites... JMO

[oodi]

great question. I have no clue. but i want to know will Phil be forced to go to the civil trial or can he opt out of going.

Another good question. Scott Peterson's civil trial is due to start next month, but I don't remember whether or not he will be in attendance. I seem to recall an article in the Modesto Bee some time ago saying that he would not be allowed to attend, but I can't be sure of that, and the Modesto Bee free archives don't go back that far to check.

Bottom line, I'm not sure it would be up to PS whether or not he attends... it may be a judge's decision.

[kennedy06]

Thanks. Looks like his lawyer was more surprised than him. I saw Spector's hands shaking as if he had Parkinson's. What's with that?

It has been a source of interest since PS1 some think meds cause it, others maybe it wasn't real at times. I dont think we really know. I will agree his hands really shook on that video, but I was really surprised when I looked back how Dw reacted.

[cherylt]

Thanks. Looks like his lawyer was more surprised than him. I saw Spector's hands shaking as if he had Parkinson's. What's with that?


I believe he is on anti-psychotic drugs (long term use) and that makes the hands shake - one of the side effect for using for a many years...

I think he was given a lot of meds, thus the yawning, because the lawyer probably suspected it to be a Guilty and he wanted him to remain calm...

[eagleeer]

Wow, today has been like a class reunion. All the posters we haven't seen for so many months. It has been nice to see you all and before all you East Coasters hit the sack I thought I would let you know. Finally the outcome that we all had hoped for so long has arrived. Hopefully we will all meet up again on another case. Maybe the Casey Anthony Trial.

God Bless you all,

Eagle

[Jayne]

Wow, today has been like a class reunion. All the posters we haven't seen for so many months. It has been nice to see you all and before all you East Coasters hit the sack I thought I would let you know. Finally the outcome that we all had hoped for so long has arrived. Hopefully we will all meet up again on another case. Maybe the Casey Anthony Trial.

God Bless you all,

Eagle


Gosh...thanks to the posters who left messages on my phone and in my PMs. I'm so glad it came down today, but was so disappointed I had to leave to find a new residence about the time I heard "they have a verdict". Dang... and Yes..it has been a wonderful time getting to meet and share with all of you. I look forward to the verdict. This has been a long journey, justice finally served..Time to Thank those CA juries?! So very many very nice people on here...I miss the daily keeping up, but am so glad, for Lana and her family (and for PS's children) that it IS OVER.

Cheers...Jayne

[cherylt]

Raymond Boucher was his civil attorney, at least in 2006. But I don't know if he still is or even if there will be a civil suit now that he was found guilty. I think Lana's mom wanted justice more than $$, but she may still go thru w/ it as a symbolic gesture... Who knows? At least she has the comfort that Lana has finally gotten the respect that she deserved...

RIP Lana :rose:

[Mr. Moto2]

It has been a source of interest since PS1 some think meds cause it, others maybe it wasn't real at times. I dont think we really know. I will agree his hands really shook on that video, but I was really surprised when I looked back how Dw reacted.

It was weird to watch because his hands were really shaking but the rest of his body was almost stiff.

[eagleeer]

"Au Contraire" :confused:

French = the language of love.

eagleeer,

Are you trying to spread some love? :biggrin:

Au Contraire = on the contrary. (dictionary.com)

At my age I have forgotten what spreading some love is. Oops, maybe that's not the kind of love you are talking about. :biggrin:

[GPSpector]

Well, I just got confermation, Marc Germains show will be on in about 20 minutes and will be a show worth listening to.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

[Mr. Moto2]

I believe he is on anti-psychotic drugs (long term use) and that makes the hands shake - one of the side effect for using for a many years...

I think he was given a lot of meds, thus the yawning, because the lawyer probably suspected it to be a Guilty and he wanted him to remain calm...

I wonder if he will be able to get all his meds while in prison. He may spend a lot of time in the hospital ward. I don't know, he may not make it to his 80s.

[cherylt]

Has anyone seen the mugshot yet?


Not yet, can't wait! Maybe tomorrow on IS/TTV... We can hope!

BTW, I can't believe NG only did like a minute blurb on PS! We got a little more out of JVM who followed the case, literally, from the beginning. She was a journalist & happened to be home when she got a call from her manager; JVM lived near Lana and went to her house and scooped everyone else that day (it was in her book)...

[barskin&co.]

Wow, today has been like a class reunion. All the posters we haven't seen for so many months. It has been nice to see you all and before all you East Coasters hit the sack I thought I would let you know. Finally the outcome that we all had hoped for so long has arrived. Hopefully we will all meet up again on another case. Maybe the Casey Anthony Trial.

God Bless you all,

Eagle

Yes, it was great to be back to witness sweet justice at last. At very long last. I really lucked out. I kept forgetting to check in on the verdict watch (it was getting frustrating), but I checked my email at just the right time, and I got Sprocket's message that a verdict had been reached. I got to the board in time to sweat it out with so many of my old friends for a while until the great news came. I am so glad I was able to share it with people here.

[dref99]

I thought I would let the rush of folks Post before I took a turn.

I'm pleased with the outcome as I, like many others, followed this murder since day one.

Justice was more than served. With all the resources at his command, Spector couldn't stop the inevitable. Witnesses that were bought and paid for couldn't stop the inevitable. A questionable juror in the first trial couldn't do anything but delay it.

I only hope there is some comfort in Ms. Clarkson's home and heart tonight.

As far as Board Posters go, they are the nicest folks around. If anyone has any doubts just take a look at the comments the general public has since the verdict.

I'll be taking down my signature line now after about 2 years.

R.I.P. Lana


bearwds

I loved your comment early today - and am very glad that you were right and my pessimistic view was wrong.

Perhaps it had to be because today was the day our eyes and ears in the courtroom wanted the afternoon away from the court.

I truly doubt Mrs Clarkson will ever have peace, losing a child, and in this fashion, is impossible to imagine - but as was said by her lawyer - I am glad that the "trashing" will now stop, and she can mourn for her child, who died "chasing her dream".

jmo

[oodi]

Au Contraire = on the contrary. (dictionary.com)

At my age I have forgotten what spreading some love is. Oops, maybe that's not the kind of love you are talking about. :biggrin:

LOL!! I ain't touching that one! :biggrin:

BTW... I speak a little French, and "Au contraire" is some of what little I know.

[SusiePMcD]

Well, I just got confermation, Marc Germains show will be on in about 20 minutes and will be a show worth listening to.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Gary...I hope you find peace...my heart goes out to you and your

family. I know this was a hard day for you all. But justice was done.

Now you can try to rebuild your heart and your memories. i hope i am

making sense to you..I mean goodwill.

[mags]

Not yet, can't wait! Maybe tomorrow on IS/TTV... We can hope!

BTW, I can't believe NG only did like a minute blurb on PS! We got a little more out of JVM who followed the case, literally, from the beginning. She was a journalist & happened to be home when she got a call from her manager; JVM lived near Lana and went to her house and scooped everyone else that day (it was in her book)...

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.

[Mr. Moto2]

Not yet, can't wait! Maybe tomorrow on IS/TTV... We can hope!

BTW, I can't believe NG only did like a minute blurb on PS! We got a little more out of JVM who followed the case, literally, from the beginning. She was a journalist & happened to be home when she got a call from her manager; JVM lived near Lana and went to her house and scooped everyone else that day (it was in her book)...

No wigs - no makeup. Should be interesting.

It seems not too many people "out there" are much interested in this case.

[oodi]

Well, I just got confermation, Marc Germains show will be on in about 20 minutes and will be a show worth listening to.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

We'll be listening, Gary!

[cherylt]

I wonder if he will be able to get all his meds while in prison. He may spend a lot of time in the hospital ward. I don't know, he may not make it to his 80s.


I would think they HAVE to continue any meds he is currently on. Otherwise, that may be considered cruel treatment. I don't think they would want an unmedicated Phil (or anyone for that matter) if he really does NEED them. Like you said, I am pretty sure they will have to do a physical on him, whether it be a separate hospital ward or jail infirmery.

Then again, think of all the OTHER offenders who aren't nearly as famous, and SHOULD be in a psych ward, but instead are thrust into the midst of the dregs of society. But that could start a whole new forum if I get going on my views on that!! :)

[oodi]

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.

Here it is:


http://www.tmz.com/

[Mr. Moto2]

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.

Oh, I they let him wear his wig (or is that his real hair?!). What do they mean by "fishy"?

[cherylt]

Well, I just got confermation, Marc Germains show will be on in about 20 minutes and will be a show worth listening to.

http://www.talkradioone.com/


Cool - thanks, Gary... You're not doing an interview with that shamwow guy too are ya? :) j/k - saw his pic on that home page and his commercials drive me crazy!

[DebinNv]

Here it is:


http://www.tmz.com/

Priceless!!!

[Dexter]

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.

http://www.tmz.com/

Its about time. The wheels of justice turn slow but they indeed turn. The correct direction... this time. :)

[Mr. Moto2]

I would think they HAVE to continue any meds he is currently on. Otherwise, that may be considered cruel treatment. I don't think they would want an unmedicated Phil (or anyone for that matter) if he really does NEED them. Like you said, I am pretty sure they will have to do a physical on him, whether it be a separate hospital ward or jail infirmery.

Then again, think of all the OTHER offenders who aren't nearly as famous, and SHOULD be in a psych ward, but instead are thrust into the midst of the dregs of society. But that could start a whole new forum if I get going on my views on that!! :)

Well he could serve out his time in medicated bliss. I meant that he would constantly be in and out of the prison hospital due to various ailments.

[kennedy06]

Here it is:


http://www.tmz.com/

Is that real??????? OMG he looks petrified or a little overloaded on meds

JMO

[oodi]

Oh, I they let him wear his wig (or is that his real hair?!). What do they mean by "fishy"?

I think they are saying he resembles a fish. :confused:

I thought I had heard the hair was a weave, but I'm not sure on that.

[cherylt]

Yes, it was great to be back to witness sweet justice at last. At very long last. I really lucked out. I kept forgetting to check in on the verdict watch (it was getting frustrating), but I checked my email at just the right time, and I got Sprocket's message that a verdict had been reached. I got to the board in time to sweat it out with so many of my old friends for a while until the great news came. I am so glad I was able to share it with people here.


Funny, same thing happened to me. I just happened to check my email at 2:45 (eastern) and the email just came from Sprocket re: Verdict. I couldn't believe my LUCK! Tomorrow I have 2 doctor appt's so I was hoping it would come today or when I was done tomorrow - sorry, so selfish I am... lol

[oodi]

Is that real??????? OMG he looks petrified or a little overloaded on meds

JMO


TMZ is a legitimate news site, if that's what you mean. That's how he looked in court today.

[dref99]

An interesting read from Michelle Blaine - if you have not seen it
http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/

She was with Phil directly after he was released from jail in 2003

[kaa]

almost 7 in LA, does anyone know where Chelle is?


I know where she is back at the castle getting anything and everything she can before the bank forclosures on his a$$. She doesnt give a darn about that man just his money hello why would a 29 year old marry some old old old perverted troll. For the money of course. but I really dont care I hope she wipes him out.

karen

[dref99]

Well, I just got confermation, Marc Germains show will be on in about 20 minutes and will be a show worth listening to.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

sprocket is on now - Gary shortly I assume

[GPSpector]

If you Guys & Gals want to call in to the Marc Germain show: the Phone # is on his site: http://www.talkradioone.com/
He takes questions live.

[cherylt]

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.

OH, thanks - I just didn't know where.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/13/phil-spector-mugshot-killer-stare/

here is the mug shot - wow, kinda creepy...

[cherylt]

Well he could serve out his time in medicated bliss. I meant that he would constantly be in and out of the prison hospital due to various ailments.


Nah, we don't want him in "bliss" just not flipping out at the guards. :)

He just may be in & out of a hospital if he wants to act like a hypochondriac... Now that I think of it, that may be what he does indeed try to do.

[cherylt]

Is that real??????? OMG he looks petrified or a little overloaded on meds

JMO


Not to mentioned BUG EYED! :scared:

[coinoutlet]

Has anyone seen the mugshot yet?

Mugshot is up on TMZ.com....still has his wig on!

[cherylt]

If you Guys & Gals want to call in to the Marc Germain show: the Phone # is on his site: http://www.talkradioone.com/
He takes questions live.


Gary, u r doing a great job. You have a very nice voice!

[Anakerie]

There is a mugshot on TMZ. I would link but don't know how.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/13/phil-spector-mugshot-killer-stare/

[cherylt]

I know where she is back at the castle getting anything and everything she can before the bank forclosures on his a$$. She doesnt give a darn about that man just his money hello why would a 29 year old marry some old old old perverted troll. For the money of course. but I really dont care I hope she wipes him out.

karen


Yep, probably partying in the bar area - maybe some friends are over. She'll start looking for a new boyfriend (maybe even in her own age range?) tomorrow... :)

[oodi]

Gary, u r doing a great job. You have a very nice voice!


I'll second that!

[barskin&co.]

Has anyone seen the mugshot yet?

Maybe he's yawning in it. :laugh:

[doctor_J]

Is that real??????? OMG he looks petrified or a little overloaded on meds

JMO

He's about as medicated as he can be and still stand. Soooooo disappointed they didn't make him take off the wig! The glazed eyes and lack of affect, along with other symptoms of tartive dyskinesia (trembling hands, facial tics) can be attributed to prolonged use of antipsychotics.

[cherylt]

kennedy06
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,172

I would becaue I would want answers, (visit in prison)


Right! And you would have a "captive"ated audience! :)

[doctor_J]

Is it safe to assume, from the radio show comments, that PS is on the outs with his son Gary?

[kennedy06]

I wish I had the nerve to call in. Way to go Curly Jo.

[oodi]

kennedy06
Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,172

I would becaue I would want answers, (visit in prison)


Right! And you would have a "captive"ated audience! :)

Yeah... but PS would have to agree to even see him first. Prisoners do not have to agree to see visitors. Gary can only try.

[Anakerie]

The mugshot is on The Smoking Gun now too...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0413092spector1.html

[barskin&co.]

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Jurors-in-Spector-Trial-Reach-a-Verdict=1&blockID=255285&feedID=1198

Ah Yes, Spector's Mug Shot. And yes, this is the face of a murderer. A convicted Murderer.

And every time I look at that ktla page, I am reminded that porn star Marilyn Chambers was found dead, today.

[barskin&co.]

The mugshot is on The Smoking Gun now too...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0413092spector1.html

"Phil Spector: He's A Jailbird" - Gotta love that headline!

[dref99]

I wish I had the nerve to call in. Way to go Curly Jo.


She was terrific - I couldn't do it either

Gary sounds great too

[cherylt]

Yeah... but PS would have to agree to even see him first. Prisoners do not have to agree to see visitors. Gary can only try.


Good point. From my POV, "eff" him. Gary sounds too nice and shouldn't even waste his time w/ that jerk. Unless "his majesty" would accept the visit - then maybe Gary could at least tell him off... But he doesn't sound like he would do that either...

[oodi]

Good point. From my POV, "eff" him. Gary sounds too nice and shouldn't even waste his time w/ that jerk. Unless "his majesty" would accept the visit - then maybe Gary could at least tell him off... But he doesn't sound like he would do that either...

I'm not sure how I would feel. Part of me thinks I wouldn't want anything to do with a father like that, but another part of me thinks I might feel just as Gary does.

[barskin&co.]

I am anxious to hear Dominick Dunne's reaction. He wrote about how much he came to care about Lana and her family. I am sure he is delighted, but I'd like to get his actual words.

I'm telling you, I was getting very pessimistic. However, it sounds like this jury might have been like the one in the Westerfield trial. They took what seemed forever, not because they had major disputes, but due to their being extremely methodical, looking over each and every bit of evidence at length before they allowed themselves to decide on a verdict.

[cherylt]

Our Sprocket is quite the celebrity: Beth Karas, Dominick Dunne, etc...

Wow - I'm not worthy... :)

[kennedy06]

We maybe only internet posters but I think Gary can count many of us as friends even if some of those in his city may not see what a special man he is. I'm sure there are many that do though.

[oodi]

Someone call in and ask if/when it will be known whether or not Pex will be charged with perjury. I'm too chicken to call. LOL

[cherylt]

I'm not sure how I would feel. Part of me thinks I wouldn't want anything to do with a father like that, but another part of me thinks I might feel just as Gary does.


Even regardless of Lana, that man has ignored & abused the poor guy. I guess everyone would handle it differently, you're right. But I dont' think PS even deserves a visit from GPS. JMO...

[My 2 Cents]

Court Today – Verdict

The timing of the verdict today came at a point in the day, that allowed me (after much coaxing from my daughter), to sneak off and “escape” for a few hours to LA – a brief diversion from the recent family urgencies at home . . . unfortunately, after the drive to Courtroom 106, I was not able to get in.

I can give you a brief update regarding observations from the hallway, outside Judge Fidler’s courtroom:

Following the verdict: Rachelle cried in the hallway outside room 106, quite long and hard (no comment on “my take” on that one). She was consoled by many – bodyguard, Weinberg briefly, Donte, and a couple of others. Louis looked on from a few feet away, looking very bewildered - - I got the sense that he was aching to walk up and offer his condolences to Rachelle, but unsure if it would be welcomed. (JMO) Nicole Spector was not there today.

Both Donte and Louis looked very solemn. My personal observation is that they both looked, to me, to be quite upset and quite worried. Worried for their Dad. But that is just my personal opinion, not based on anything they said. Just “body language”. Frieda, Louis’ girlfriend appeared very upset, in tears.

Lana’s girlfriends, especially Nili Hudson appeared so relieved and hugged several people, along with AJ and Truc Do.

Donna Clarkson and Fawn, appeared somewhat solemn – not a lot of emotion expressed in the hallway or at the press conference. I believe this probably had to do with (2) reasons:
a) She was advised by her attorneys to be cautious, and
b) She is a strong woman with a great deal of CLASS and DIGNITY. This is a “win” in the sense that the man who murdered her daughter has been found guilty, and yet – nobody “wins”, as nothing is going to bring Lana back.

IMO, there are many people touched deeply by the events of 2/3/03 - - and I don’t mean just the Clarkson family & friends. Spector’s family members are emotionally drained and personally affected by this tragedy as well. Spector has damaged many lives, for many years, from what I have learned over the past 2 years of reading and following this trial.

I am relieved the jury reached a conclusion. And I personally feel they came to the correct and fair conclusion, based on the evidence.

I hope the Clarkson Family feels some comfort with a M2 verdict and the conclusion of this trial.

I am sorry Louis, Gary, Donte and Nicole – for the difficult time this has been for all of you.

[Carol25]

I think when sentencing comes in, Fidler will keep probation in mind. He wont give a 15 year sentences thinking he may get out in 7 for good behavior. My guess is he'll give him 30 or so so a probation won't be possible before 10 or 15 years. I'm no sure how many years have to be served before probation hearings are scheduled.

[cherylt]

Someone call in and ask if/when it will be known whether or not Pex will be charged with perjury. I'm too chicken to call. LOL


"the only time I was ever disappointed was when I had expectations" - OMG, how sad! Gary is living in the wrong place.

don't look at me - I'm just as chicken! bahhhhhh!

[My 2 Cents]

I would like to know what Chelle did as she left the courtroom (if anyone calls)

She cried quite hard and long - outside the courtroom, in the hallway. (See my previous post). When she left the building and was ushered to her car with the bodyguard - she just looked "stoic" and serious. They just rushed her past the large number of reporters outside the courthouse - she didn't speak or stop.

[Anakerie]

:rolleyes: lol, Rachelle's "website" still says "Phil Spector = Innocent"...

[cherylt]

Was that Rachelle that was being that MEAN to sprocket???

What a biatch!

[kennedy06]

She cried quite hard and long - outside the courtroom, in the hallway. (See my previous post). When she left the building and was ushered to her car with the bodyguard - she just looked "stoic" and serious. They just rushed her past the large number of reporters outside the courthouse - she didn't speak or stop.

Oh no well, I wonder how that girl will feel about it all 30 years from now. Being so young when she became involved with him could she have been that naive (sp)? I don't know I still think she knew what she was doing but oh well, she had no sympathy for the Clarksons it appeared so you know....

[Juror #9]

Court Today – Verdict

The timing of the verdict today came at a point in the day, that allowed me (after much coaxing from my daughter), to sneak off and “escape” for a few hours to LA – a brief diversion from the recent family urgencies at home . . . unfortunately, after the drive to Courtroom 106, I was not able to get in.

I can give you a brief update regarding observations from the hallway, outside Judge Fidler’s courtroom:

Following the verdict: Rachelle cried in the hallway outside room 106, quite long and hard (no comment on “my take” on that one). She was consoled by many – bodyguard, Weinberg briefly, Donte, and a couple of others. Louis looked on from a few feet away, looking very bewildered - - I got the sense that he was aching to walk up and offer his condolences to Rachelle, but unsure if it would be welcomed. (JMO) Nicole Spector was not there today.

Both Donte and Louis looked very solemn. My personal observation is that they both looked, to me, to be quite upset and quite worried. Worried for their Dad. But that is just my personal opinion, not based on anything they said. Just “body language”. Frieda, Louis’ girlfriend appeared very upset, in tears.

Lana’s girlfriends, especially Nili Hudson appeared so relieved and hugged several people, along with AJ and Truc Do.

Donna Clarkson and Fawn, appeared somewhat solemn – not a lot of emotion expressed in the hallway or at the press conference. I believe this probably had to do with (2) reasons:
a) She was advised by her attorneys to be cautious, and
b) She is a strong woman with a great deal of CLASS and DIGNITY. This is a “win” in the sense that the man who murdered her daughter has been found guilty, and yet – nobody “wins”, as nothing is going to bring Lana back.

IMO, there are many people touched deeply by the events of 2/3/03 - - and I don’t mean just the Clarkson family & friends. Spector’s family members are emotionally drained and personally affected by this tragedy as well. Spector has damaged many lives, for many years, from what I have learned over the past 2 years of reading and following this trial.

I am relieved the jury reached a conclusion. And I personally feel they came to the correct and fair conclusion, based on the evidence.

I hope the Clarkson Family feels some comfort with a M2 verdict and the conclusion of this trial.

I am sorry Louis, Gary, Donte and Nicole – for the difficult time this has been for all of you.


Ditto. It was nice to see you today.

[bearwds]

Radio interview just ended.

Never listened before and enjoyed hearing Betsy and Gary.

No real insights, but that's because I've followed so close.


bearwds

[Anakerie]

Oh no well, I wonder how that girl will feel about it all 30 years from now. Being so young when she became involved with him could she have been that naive (sp)? I don't know I still think she knew what she was doing but oh well, she had no sympathy for the Clarksons it appeared so you know....

I don't believe for a minute that Rachelle was/is naive when she married Phil. I'm quite sure she knew exactly what she was signing up for.

[cherylt]

Oh no well, I wonder how that girl will feel about it all 30 years from now. Being so young when she became involved with him could she have been that naive (sp)? I don't know I still think she knew what she was doing but oh well, she had no sympathy for the Clarksons it appeared so you know....


30 yrs from now - she'll probably cry even HARDER for having being involved w/ him in the 1st place...

CLAP **APPLAUSE **CLAP **APPLAUSE **TO GARY!!
GREAT JOB on the radio interview !

[dref99]

Court Today – Verdict

The timing of the verdict today came at a point in the day, that allowed me (after much coaxing from my daughter), to sneak off and “escape” for a few hours to LA – a brief diversion from the recent family urgencies at home . . . unfortunately, after the drive to Courtroom 106, I was not able to get in.

I can give you a brief update regarding observations from the hallway, outside Judge Fidler’s courtroom:

Following the verdict: Rachelle cried in the hallway outside room 106, quite long and hard (no comment on “my take” on that one). She was consoled by many – bodyguard, Weinberg briefly, Donte, and a couple of others. Louis looked on from a few feet away, looking very bewildered - - I got the sense that he was aching to walk up and offer his condolences to Rachelle, but unsure if it would be welcomed. (JMO) Nicole Spector was not there today.

Both Donte and Louis looked very solemn. My personal observation is that they both looked, to me, to be quite upset and quite worried. Worried for their Dad. But that is just my personal opinion, not based on anything they said. Just “body language”. Frieda, Louis’ girlfriend appeared very upset, in tears.

Lana’s girlfriends, especially Nili Hudson appeared so relieved and hugged several people, along with AJ and Truc Do.

Donna Clarkson and Fawn, appeared somewhat solemn – not a lot of emotion expressed in the hallway or at the press conference. I believe this probably had to do with (2) reasons:
a) She was advised by her attorneys to be cautious, and
b) She is a strong woman with a great deal of CLASS and DIGNITY. This is a “win” in the sense that the man who murdered her daughter has been found guilty, and yet – nobody “wins”, as nothing is going to bring Lana back.

IMO, there are many people touched deeply by the events of 2/3/03 - - and I don’t mean just the Clarkson family & friends. Spector’s family members are emotionally drained and personally affected by this tragedy as well. Spector has damaged many lives, for many years, from what I have learned over the past 2 years of reading and following this trial.

I am relieved the jury reached a conclusion. And I personally feel they came to the correct and fair conclusion, based on the evidence.

I hope the Clarkson Family feels some comfort with a M2 verdict and the conclusion of this trial.

I am sorry Louis, Gary, Donte and Nicole – for the difficult time this has been for all of you.


Thank you so much for sharing. I also think it was a just result

take care

[kennedy06]

30 yrs from now - she'll probably cry even HARDER for having being involved w/ him in the 1st place...

CLAP **APPLAUSE **CLAP **APPLAUSE **TO GARY!!
GREAT JOB on the radio interview !

I agree on both points:thumbup:

My2Cents thank you so much for the update and all your updates. You gave our little board here the boost it needed at just the right time when you joined us. There was a time when I thought it was a big deal if we had 8 viewers all at once LOL before the 2nd trial started.

:smile:

[Anakerie]

Gary and Sprocket did very well in that interview. :) I, for one, will continue reading Sprocket's blog, and I really hope to keep contact with Gary. I have immense respect for him after posting with him here for the last 2 years or so...

BTW, Gary... Somewhere among my junk here, I have a picture of a "Blackbird" I'd like to show you... (IF I can find it, that is.. lol) :D

[Carol25]

I don't think it is impossible for Gary and his father to have a relationship. There will be a lot of time for reflection for PS. If Gary writes him often, you never know.

[warhorse46]

I am so relieved to read this verdict. I believe it is a just & right verdict based on the evidence. I hope the Clarkson family will now be able to find some peace & comfort knowing Lana's killer is paying for his crime & he will not be able to harm another woman.
To the children of Spector---I wish you peace, strength & love. I have come to respect & admire GPSpector through his posts on this board & am honored to have had the opportunity to meet him. In my opinion he has grown into an honorable man in spite of his childhood experiences with a cold, indifferent father.

[bearwds]

Juror #9

Do you plan to be at sentencing..?? Betsy said yes. Gary maybe.


bearwds

[barskin&co.]

I am so relieved to read this verdict. I believe it is a just & right verdict based on the evidence. I hope the Clarkson family will now be able to find some peace & comfort knowing Lana's killer is paying for his crime & he will not be able to harm another woman.
To the children of Spector---I wish you peace, strength & love. I have come to respect & admire GPSpector through his posts on this board & am honored to have had the opportunity to meet him. In my opinion he has grown into an honorable man in spite of his childhood experiences with a cold, indifferent father.

Well said, warhorse.

[cherylt]

I am so relieved to read this verdict. I believe it is a just & right verdict based on the evidence. I hope the Clarkson family will now be able to find some peace & comfort knowing Lana's killer is paying for his crime & he will not be able to harm another woman.
To the children of Spector---I wish you peace, strength & love. I have come to respect & admire GPSpector through his posts on this board & am honored to have had the opportunity to meet him. In my opinion he has grown into an honorable man in spite of his childhood experiences with a cold, indifferent father.


ITA in re: to Gary. You are RIGHT ON and I couldn't have said it better myself. He has such depth and potential despite everything he has gone through and I too am honored that I got to chat w/ him a few times...

Good night all - talk to you soon and definitely on 5/29!

:seeya:

[My 2 Cents]

At the PRESS CONFERENCE today it was a riot. The questions some of those reporters asked cracked me up - - it was so obvious they were a bit "rusty" on the facts of this case. EXAMPLES:

One reporter asked the jury forman about what pieces of evidence had the biggest impact on their verdict and he wanted to know how "important a role the broken fingernail and the testimony of Dr Henry Lee had on them?" . . . the foreman squinted her face and said, "huh? what?, Henry who?"

Another reported asked Alan Jackson, "So why do you think the jury rejected the suicide theory/defense?" . . . . Jackson answered, "Ahh, because she DIDN'T COMMIT SUICIDE." . . . HA, HA . . . WHAT A RIDICULOUS QUESTION TO ASK AJ.

THE FORPERSON:

WHOAAA . . . She really appeared to be HEARTFELT in her anguish of having to send someone to prison for so long. She would look over at the other jurors that came to the press conference, everytime she spoke - - as if to make sure she was not misspeaking for them. She really gave you the impression that they spent so much time rendering a verdict, because they wanted to review every bit of the trial & evidence and give it their undivided attention and consideration. She broke down in tears, trying to explain to the press, how serious they took this job and their role in deciding a verdict. I had the impression from her that they ALL worked well together and were a very cohesive group - - - focused on ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY . . . rendering a JUST & FAIR VERDICT using the JURY INSTRUCTIONS as their RULES for making a decision. Every time she looked over at the jurors that had come to the press conference (they were sitting in the jury box), the other jurors would nod every so slightly, affirming every thing she said. IT WAS VERY TOUCHING - - -THEY SEEMED TO POUR THEIR "HEARTS AND SOUL" INTO THIS JOB.

[Jayne]

Radio interview just ended.

Never listened before and enjoyed hearing Betsy and Gary.

No real insights, but that's because I've followed so close.


bearwds

thanks for the call this afternoon! And, to KathR and wasapi for your calls! Driving around from one place to another, picking up applications, viewings..and there you were to let me know where it was at present. Messages were left on the cell when I wasn't available, and what a "joy" to hear M2! But since it was my friend's cell, he HOGGED it so I had to listen to it through his hollow ear!!

Listened to it as well. Nothing surprising to me, but it was interesting and Gary did very well, especially with the circumstances...he definitely seems to be "relieved" that it is OVER.

Thoughts to Gary, Louis, Donte and Nichole...and the Clarkson family.

Jayne

[warhorse46]

Oh no well, I wonder how that girl will feel about it all 30 years from now. Being so young when she became involved with him could she have been that naive (sp)? I don't know I still think she knew what she was doing but oh well, she had no sympathy for the Clarksons it appeared so you know....

I think she knew exactly what she was getting into when she married PS. IMO that was a business arrangement. PS needed an attractive woman by his side to impress the jury & try to show them he was not a woman abuser. She wanted money, luxury living & a name for herself.

[barskin&co.]

Commentators kept on questioning "what was different this time around (i.e. trial #2)?" I kept wanting to yell at them, "juror #10! That was the difference." Let's face it, if it weren't for that guy, who appparently couldn't make his mind up about anything (you wouldn't want to get stuck behind him at Starbucks, let me tell ya), I truly believe, justice would have been served a couple of year ago.

[Juror #9]

Juror #9

Do you plan to be at sentencing..?? Betsy said yes. Gary maybe.


bearwds

Yes. I also spoke to some of the other juror from Spector #1 and they said they maybe be there too.

[Juror #9]

Commentators kept on questioning "what was different this time around (i.e. trial #2)?" I kept wanting to yell at them, "juror #10! That was the difference." Let's face it, if it weren't for that guy, who appparently couldn't make his mind up about anything (you wouldn't want to get stuck behind him at Starbucks, let me tell ya), I truly believe, justice would have been served a couple of year ago.

You are correct. It was Juror #10

[barskin&co.]

I think she knew exactly what she was getting into when she married PS. IMO that was a business arrangement. PS needed an attractive woman by his side to impress the jury & try to show them he was not a woman abuser. She wanted money, luxury living & a name for herself.

Yeah. From what I've heard about their whirlwind "romance," that about sizes up their relationship. Didn't he propose to someone else just before he "fell in love" with Rachelle?

[My 2 Cents]

Oh no well, I wonder how that girl will feel about it all 30 years from now. Being so young when she became involved with him could she have been that naive (sp)? I don't know I still think she knew what she was doing but oh well, she had no sympathy for the Clarksons it appeared so you know....

Hi K6,

Thanks for your kind post. Re: Rachelle and her "crying" . . . don't get me wrong, I was just posting what I SAW Rachelle doing, in the hall, after the verdict. . . but I was "not necessarily sold on what I saw", I just reported what she DID. (does that make since?)

Personally (based on nothing but "gut") - I believe PS & RS are simply a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT and I look forward to hearing what Michelle Blaine has to share about that, now that the trial is over (hopefully, she can - or a book release maybe).

[Anakerie]

Yeah. From what I've heard about their whirlwind "romance," that about sizes up their relationship. Didn't he propose to someone else just before he "fell in love" with Rachelle?
Yep... He proposed to Michelle Blaine first... Then when she refused him, he went after her with a vengeance. She wrote about some of it in her blog entry today.

[Cornblossom]

Yeah. From what I've heard about their whirlwind "romance," that about sizes up their relationship. Didn't he propose to someone else just before he "fell in love" with Rachelle?yes...the woman the chauffer called before he called 911...can't think of her name now.

[Tracian]

I have read the threads since the verdict was announced...I am so happy that finally PS will face the consequences of his actions, that Lana's memory will not be further trashed, and that Lana's loved ones have been vindicated and have gotten the justice that they waited far too long for....

My thoughts now are for healing...for the friends and family of Lana, and also for Gary and his family...(sorry I just don't have sympathy for PS's wife after her display after the last trial)

Gary, you are clearly a class act...it has been an honor to know and post with you...I don't have the right words, except save to say, you and your family are something that I do respect Phil Spector for; some think that his professional accomplishments were his claim to fame...but for those of us that have been *here* with you, we know better.

[barskin&co.]

You are correct. It was Juror #10

Yes. I thought about you when they were talking about the differences between the trials. I know that you worked hard along with your fellow jurors. You just got stuck with a guy who was afraid to make a decision. I heard him asked about the statements PS made to the police after the murder (yes, we can call it that now)- stuff like his saying "It was an accident. I didn't men to kill her." He said, "well I can see that backing up both sides," and I thought, "sheesh, he really cannot make his mind up on anything."

[My 2 Cents]

Commentators kept on questioning "what was different this time around (i.e. trial #2)?" I kept wanting to yell at them, "juror #10! That was the difference." Let's face it, if it weren't for that guy, who appparently couldn't make his mind up about anything (you wouldn't want to get stuck behind him at Starbucks, let me tell ya), I truly believe, justice would have been served a couple of year ago.

There was a man in the hallway today, he appeared to be a courthouse employee of some sort, had a badge . . . and he was talking about "running into the FOREMAN FROM THE FIRST TRIAL over the weekend in COSTCO, shopping." He said he wanted to go up to him and slap him up aside the head. . . . ha, ha . . . THAT MADE ME CHUCKLE!!!!!

[Juror #9]

There was a man in the hallway today, he appeared to be a courthouse employee of some sort, had a badge . . . and he was talking about "running into the FOREMAN FROM THE FIRST TRIAL over the weekend in COSTCO, shopping." He said he wanted to go up to him and slap him up aside the head. . . . ha, ha . . . THAT MADE ME CHUCKLE!!!!!

Ben sure gets around. Pat Dixon also mentioned he had seen Ben and his son at the Alhambra Cotco too. Small world.

[GPSpector]

Gary and Sprocket did very well in that interview. :) I, for one, will continue reading Sprocket's blog, and I really hope to keep contact with Gary. I have immense respect for him after posting with him here for the last 2 years or so...

BTW, Gary... Somewhere among my junk here, I have a picture of a "Blackbird" I'd like to show you... (IF I can find it, that is.. lol) :D

Any plane that is all black and flys faster than Mach 3 is always a welcome sight for me.

[nsm]

Will he be allowed to wear his wig in prison??? Where will be be residing after the sentencing?

[Anakerie]

Any plane that is all black and flys faster than Mach 3 is always a welcome sight for me.
lol, I guess I need to start digging around in some of the boxes I have in storage then... I had a LOT of them that I took in the 80's and early 90's... :D

How are you doing tonight, Gary? You were great in the interview..

[barskin&co.]

Will he be allowed to wear his wig in prison??? Where will be be residing after the sentencing?

Good questions. I wonder- is Lyle Menendez sporting his bald head in the Big House?

[GPSpector]

Yeah. From what I've heard about their whirlwind "romance," that about sizes up their relationship. Didn't he propose to someone else just before he "fell in love" with Rachelle?

Michelle Blaine was the 1st. Rachelle was hired to be her assistant. I guess that would put her 2nd in line.

[Cornblossom]

Good questions. I wonder- is Lyle Menendez sporting his bald head in the Big House?
I didn't think he would be allowed to wear it for his mug shot. But then remembered seeing mug shots with what people looks like without their wig then an insert of them wearing the wig. But,I don't think he's allowed to wear it in prison from what I've seen and heard on shows like "Lock Up" etc.

I wonder what Lana's "BFF" Punkin Pie thought today.

[barskin&co.]

Michelle Blaine was the 1st. Rachelle was hired to be her assistant. I guess that would put her 2nd in line.

I've never heard of anything so romantic. "Michelle, will you marry me? No...well, how about your assistant?"

[barskin&co.]

I didn't think he would be allowed to wear it for his mug shot. But then remembered seeing mug shots with what people looks like without their wig then an insert of them wearing the wig. But,I don't think he's allowed to wear it in prison from what I've seen and heard on shows like "Lock Up" etc.

I wonder what Lana's "BFF" Punkin Pie thought today.

Ahhhh, who can forget Punkin??? (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii65/barskin2/PunkinPie.jpg)

[GPSpector]

Will he be allowed to wear his wig in prison??? Where will be be residing after the sentencing?

Someone had posted here a link about Micheal Jackson, regarding the same topic. I wish I had the link.

To answer your question, Wigs or Weaves are not allowed for neither Men or Women, but oddly enough, make-up is, for both Men and Women.

[kennedy06]

I maybe wrong but I think I just realized why he looks so different in that mug shot, I think they had him wash anything cosmetic off his face maybe, but looking at it could you imagine being on the other side of that look when he had a gun in his hand?

[kennedy06]

Someone had posted here a link about Micheal Jackson, regarding the same topic. I wish I had the link.

To answer your question, Wigs or Weaves are not allowed for neither Men or Women, but oddly enough, make-up is, for both Men and Women.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/09/local/me-prison9

[Cornblossom]

And what about Jackson's unusual grooming regimen? He would be assigned a light-blue chambray, denim pants, a denim jacket, white boxer shorts, white T-shirts and gray sweats. Inmates are expressly forbidden to alter their appearance, so no wigs, weaves, hairpieces or hair dye is allowed, barring medical necessity. Facial hair is also forbidden, and Jackson's hair could be no more than three inches in length.

But somewhat surprisingly, Bach explained, the regulations are not as strict on the issue of makeup, which is not considered contraband.


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503453/20050603/jackson_michael.jhtml

[Anakerie]

Well folks.. It's time for this old lady to go find her bed...

What a day, huh?

:rose: For Lana and her family
:rose: For Gary and his brothers and sister

[barskin&co.]

And what about Jackson's unusual grooming regimen? He would be assigned a light-blue chambray, denim pants, a denim jacket, white boxer shorts, white T-shirts and gray sweats. Inmates are expressly forbidden to alter their appearance, so no wigs, weaves, hairpieces or hair dye is allowed, barring medical necessity. Facial hair is also forbidden, and Jackson's hair could be no more than three inches in length.

But somewhat surprisingly, Bach explained, the regulations are not as strict on the issue of makeup, which is not considered contraband.


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503453/20050603/jackson_michael.jhtml

Oh, good. So maybe he can use that spray-on hair that Ron Popeil used to sell.

[emsdallas]

Here's a link for a story that includes a picture of Gary's brother leaving the courthouse after the verdict

http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_12135106

Justice for Lana at long last:rose::rose:

I imagine the only dancing Rachelle will be for her next meal ticket.

Gary--take care of yourself, please.

Alan Jackson--you rock!!!! Please, please come back to Texas!

Sprockett---I can't imagine PS2 without you. Thank you for your coverage; shame on the media that is driven by the advertising revenue!

jmo

[juggernaut]

I believe Lana accidentally shot herself. I'm sorry to hear Spector was convicted.

[GPSpector]

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/09/local/me-prison9

Thank you. That was the link I was thinking about.

[GPSpector]

I would like to personally say "THANK YOU" to everyone that tried to understand and respect what my Brother's and I were going through for the past 6 years.

I have made a few friends here and I appreciate your friendship more that I can truly express.

I guess all I can do now is wait and see what happens and think about my options of how I wish to proceed with my life.

Feel free to PM me anytime.


For those that want to think it, this is in no way what I had wished for. It is only what I had anticipated so that I could be prepared for it. It is a sad day for my Brother's and I and we will have to deal with it in our own ways but we will be fine.

[dref99]

I think she knew exactly what she was getting into when she married PS. IMO that was a business arrangement. PS needed an attractive woman by his side to impress the jury & try to show them he was not a woman abuser. She wanted money, luxury living & a name for herself.

We really have no idea what she wanted - and despite it seemed the strangest of marriages - she certainly stuck to her side of the bargain - supporting him in public.

She will no doubt, fade away with her reward

jmo

[dref99]

Hi K6,

Thanks for your kind post. Re: Rachelle and her "crying" . . . don't get me wrong, I was just posting what I SAW Rachelle doing, in the hall, after the verdict. . . but I was "not necessarily sold on what I saw", I just reported what she DID. (does that make since?)

Personally (based on nothing but "gut") - I believe PS & RS are simply a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT and I look forward to hearing what Michelle Blaine has to share about that, now that the trial is over (hopefully, she can - or a book release maybe).

She has already reported briefly on her blog. I am interested in hearing her description of those days immediately following the shooting

[MoonFlwr]

I would like to personally say "THANK YOU" to everyone that tried to understand and respect what my Brother's and I were going through for the past 6 years.

I have made a few friends here and I appreciate your friendship more that I can truly express.

I guess all I can do now is wait and see what happens and think about my options of how I wish to proceed with my life.

Feel free to PM me anytime.


For those that want to think it, this is in no way what I had wished for. It is only what I had anticipated so that I could be prepared for it. It is a sad day for my Brother's and I and we will have to deal with it in our own ways but we will be fine.

Hi

I thought of you when I heard the verdict and wandered over to post a message to you, and I found this post of yours.

I am so sorry for the pain that you and your brothers feel and the effects this outcome will have on your lives. :(

May you and your family find the strength to cope with this.

[Sedonia Sunset]

most blocks are porous to some degree, not sure about #10..... nothing would sink into his head :laugh:

Yeah, it sounds like things just ricocheted off his head like the ball in an old Pong game. :glare:

[Sedonia Sunset]

OOOOOOOOOO.....Be still my bells.......

At first glance, I thought you said something else :biggrin:

[Sedonia Sunset]

Right, and didn't he say all you have to do is put the webbing of your thumb between the hammer on the gun and the gun can't shoot? Also I believe he said he personally had guns pointed at him and took them away.

Hence the nickname "Ninja Pathologist" :biggrin:

[Sedonia Sunset]

almost 7 in LA, does anyone know where Chelle is?

Probably rifling through Phil's drawers, prying up floorboards, ransackng the attic, wriggling through the crawlspace, removing loose bricks in the dungeon, looking for secret buttons on the statuary that will make the paving stones move out of the way to reveal a hidden treasure. You know, the usual stuff.

Maybe she's stuck behind the fireplace, plaintively wailing:

"PUT - ZEE - CANDLE - BACK!"

[RayStar]

I've wondered what will happen to RS also. I suspect Phil has not left her much.
Will the bail money be returned to his estate?

[Travelbound]

I've wondered what will happen to RS also. I suspect Phil has not left her much.
Will the bail money be returned to his estate?


The way she has acted throughout all of this... WHO CARES what happens to her...

[Travelbound]

I bet ole Chell had the best night's sleep she's had since moving into that castle.

I hope at his sentencing, spector is not allowed to wear his wig. I look forward to seeing him in orange, sporting waist, ankle and wrist chains, just like the murderer he is.

Don't forget the 'shiny head'!!!!

[tartangirl]

Up early today trying to read all that has been posted about yesterday's verdict. I still have much to read, still I found myself returning to the same old comfortable haunts. So much has been discussed these last two years about the life of Phil Spector and the short life of Lana Clarkson and how it was taken from her. We finally have a verdict and we can breath a sigh of relief. Along with that comes a sad satisfaction too. Justice can not bring back the life of a loved one nor stop the grief felt from that loss. :mellow:

So this new feeling of Justice is maybe a little stiff like a new piece of clothing that has to be worn awhile to become comfortable and broken in. I think because of that and certainly until the sentencing I will still carry my signature line with me. Hard sought and hard fought Justice certainly does deserve a little more time in the public eye.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~


Candles like Justice deserve to shine

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=lana

[Travelbound]

I couldn't go without saying goodby and thank you. It was nice to get to know some of you and I hope I've gained some friends. it's unusual for people who don't know me to care and show there consern for me but it's most appreciated. I wish you all wll.

Louis Spector

I wish you luck and a peaceful life.... I am sorry for what you have obviously had to experience during your lifetime. We cannot change our past but we can surely change the future.....

[Daisy]

Finally, Phil Spector is where he should be. Behind bars. My thanks and admiration for the outstanding work done by the prosecutors in this case.
~Daisy

[dref99]

I thought once convicted the bail would not be returned...anyone
know?:huh:

The bail will be returned - only if he had absconded - not appeared in court when he was supposed to - would the bail be forfeited.

Who it will be returned to? I have no idea. He may have a loan against it? - Report from Harriet Ryan in the LA Times indicated his house was well mortgaged.

[hiitsme]

After I've had a chance for the GUILTY verdict to sink in, I can't help but think what an injustice Juror #10 did during PS1. While the foreperson in PS2 was not very specific about their deliberations, the key is that they methodically evaluated all of the evidence, left no stone unturned and looked at the big picture which pointed only to a murderer, not a suicide victim. There was absolutely no reasonable doubt here and juror #10 should be ashamed of himself!

[barskin&co.]

I thought once convicted the bail would not be returned...anyone
know?:huh:

Nah, I think she gets the bail money back. He never jumped.

[dref99]

After I've had a chance for the GUILTY verdict to sink in, I can't help but think what an injustice Juror #10 did during PS1. While the foreperson in PS2 was not very specific about their deliberations, the key is that they methodically evaluated all of the evidence, left no stone unturned and looked at the big picture which pointed only to a murderer, not a suicide victim. There was absolutely no reasonable doubt here and juror #10 should be ashamed of himself!

I agree with your thoughts - but given the issues with the jury instructions in trial 1 - if a guilty verdict had been returned - could it have been overturned on appeal? I don't think there is any chance of winning an appeal from trial 2 - despite Mr Weinberg's comments.

I think Riordan almost won an appeal for Spector with that special instruction to the jury (incorrect as it was) - and perhaps #10 has stopped any appeal by not allowing a verdict.

jmo

[kennedy06]

I couldn't go without saying goodby and thank you. It was nice to get to know some of you and I hope I've gained some friends. it's unusual for people who don't know me to care and show there consern for me but it's most appreciated. I wish you all wll.

Louis Spector

Thank you for sharing your witt and charm with us. LOL I still remember your first post, you teased your brother, but we didn't know you were his brother, who is this poster Claudius many of us wondered!

To Nappy Brown if you happen to read here again, I haven't forgotten you either.

I wish you all the best life has to offer.

[hiitsme]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/phil-spector/5151201/Phil-Spector-guilty-Lana-Claksons-family-accuse-defence-of-trashing-victim.html

After a Los Angeles jury returned their verdict, Miss Clarkson's family said: "We are pleased that the jury has rejected the distortion and trashing of Lana Clarkson's life by the defense in this trial, the last trial and the past six plus years," the family said in a statement.

"There is no joy today. This is tragic, but actions have consequences."

I believe the #1 fan is an elderly school teacher, perhaps a neighbor. I could be totally wrong and am sure if I am it will be brought to my attention!:laugh:

[hiitsme]

I agree with your thoughts - but given the issues with the jury instructions in trial 1 - if a guilty verdict had been returned - could it have been overturned on appeal? I don't think there is any chance of winning an appeal from trial 2 - despite Mr Weinberg's comments.

I think Riordan almost won an appeal for Spector with that special instruction to the jury (incorrect as it was) - and perhaps #10 has stopped any appeal by not allowing a verdict.

jmo

Now I will agree with you! Of course I'm not an attorney but it doesn't seem there's really anything that would hold up on appeal this time. There were strong rumblings of bias about the Judge during PS1, however, didn't Weinberg state yesterday he felt none during the retrial? His squabblings were really non-issues at the end.

[Daisy'sMom]

I couldn't go without saying goodby and thank you. It was nice to get to know some of you and I hope I've gained some friends. it's unusual for people who don't know me to care and show there consern for me but it's most appreciated. I wish you all wll.

Louis Spector

May you find some peace now. Thank you for sharing this part of your life with us. God Bless.

[summit]

Finally the Jury got it right. I hope this will give the Family a little peace.

[hiitsme]

Thanks hiitsme. It may be someone who actually knows Phil. Wonder why his board fans never showed their support nor are responding to his guilty verdict?

No one likes to eat crow.:ohmy:

[vonna]

I agree with your thoughts - but given the issues with the jury instructions in trial 1 - if a guilty verdict had been returned - could it have been overturned on appeal? I don't think there is any chance of winning an appeal from trial 2 - despite Mr Weinberg's comments.

I think Riordan almost won an appeal for Spector with that special instruction to the jury (incorrect as it was) - and perhaps #10 has stopped any appeal by not allowing a verdict.

jmo

Good morning, all. Maybe BenTen stopped an appeal but at least Spector would have been in jail! Now what's left is to speculate about the sentencing. If there's any justice, Spector will get an additional couple of years for inflicting those wigs on us!

[barskin&co.]

Good morning, all. Maybe BenTen stopped an appeal but at least Spector would have been in jail! Now what's left is to speculate about the sentencing. If there's any justice, Spector will get an additional couple of years for inflicting those wigs on us!

I don't think the aggravating wig factor is a statute as yet on the books, vonna, but we could make a suggestion to CA lawmakers. They could call it the "Phil Spector Law."

By the way, it seems, with the aggravating gun factor, his minimum will be 18 years.

[vonna]

I don't think the aggravating wig factor is a statute as yet on the books, vonna, but we could make a suggestion to CA lawmakers. They could call it the "Phil Spector Law."

By the way, it seems, with the aggravating gun factor, his minimum will be 18 years.

Lol. It may not be an aggravating factor in the sentencing but it was an aggravating factor to me!

[Mr. Moto2]

I don't think the aggravating wig factor is a statute as yet on the books, vonna, but we could make a suggestion to CA lawmakers. They could call it the "Phil Spector Law."

By the way, it seems, with the aggravating gun factor, his minimum will be 18 years.

How long will he have to serve before eligible for parole?

[warhorse46]

Commentators kept on questioning "what was different this time around (i.e. trial #2)?" I kept wanting to yell at them, "juror #10! That was the difference." Let's face it, if it weren't for that guy, who appparently couldn't make his mind up about anything (you wouldn't want to get stuck behind him at Starbucks, let me tell ya), I truly believe, justice would have been served a couple of year ago.


I absolutely agree with you!

[warhorse46]

Yeah. From what I've heard about their whirlwind "romance," that about sizes up their relationship. Didn't he propose to someone else just before he "fell in love" with Rachelle?

Yes, he tried to get his assistant, I think, to marry him. She refused. So Rachelle is second choice.

[warhorse46]

Will he be allowed to wear his wig in prison??? Where will be be residing after the sentencing?


He will not be allowed to wear wigs in prison. He will be sent to an intake facility after sentencing to be evaluated both mentally & physically. Then a determination will be made based on those evaluations on where he will be housed for his sentence. The evaluations take approx 6 weeks.

[warhorse46]

And what about Jackson's unusual grooming regimen? He would be assigned a light-blue chambray, denim pants, a denim jacket, white boxer shorts, white T-shirts and gray sweats. Inmates are expressly forbidden to alter their appearance, so no wigs, weaves, hairpieces or hair dye is allowed, barring medical necessity. Facial hair is also forbidden, and Jackson's hair could be no more than three inches in length.

But somewhat surprisingly, Bach explained, the regulations are not as strict on the issue of makeup, which is not considered contraband.


http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503453/20050603/jackson_michael.jhtml


I can't wait to see the next mug shot without the wig.

[warhorse46]

We really have no idea what she wanted - and despite it seemed the strangest of marriages - she certainly stuck to her side of the bargain - supporting him in public.

She will no doubt, fade away with her reward

jmo


I agree, Rachelle did complete her end of the bargain. She was right beside him in public everytime.

[coinoutlet]

He doesn't get to wear those wigs in jail right? No more drugs either. I'm dying to know what his first night behind bars was like for the murderer. Bet he made lots of demands.

I do believe that if his valium and or xanax are prescribed to him by his doctor they will indeed be given to him although the dosage will be monitored IMO

[warhorse46]

I couldn't go without saying goodby and thank you. It was nice to get to know some of you and I hope I've gained some friends. it's unusual for people who don't know me to care and show there consern for me but it's most appreciated. I wish you all wll.

Louis Spector


Claudius, you are a class act & gentleman IMO. I sincerely hope you are able to move past this chapter in your life to find peace & happiness.

[eagleeer]

How long will he have to serve before eligible for parole?

Most likely longer than he has left to live.

[coinoutlet]

I believe you are right, but what does he need those for? For what ailment?

I would think that the prescribing doctor would be able to justify his prescriptions, but I don't know why.

[vonna]

Doesn't he have to be sentenced first?

I just heard he will have to serve 18 years before being eligible for parole.

[warhorse46]

He doesn't get to wear those wigs in jail right? No more drugs either. I'm dying to know what his first night behind bars was like for the murderer. Bet he made lots of demands.

He will be given the proper medications in the proper dosages for any mental or physical illnesses that have been prescribed by a licensed physician.

[warhorse46]

A lot of good it did for him. That cherade was all for nothing. :lol:


Everytime I think of them I have the image of her humping him on the front lawn of The Castle stuck in my mind. barf

[roytoy]

finally, after 1.5 hours of teasers, insessions will be covering the verdict after the commercial break.

[vonna]

Aaaaaaaaaaaak, tmi, tmi!

:lol:

TruTV just announced they are going to broadcast the verdict reaction to the Spector conviction now.

[FloA]

I just heard he will have to serve 18 years before being eligible for parole.

Hi vonna.

I probably won't be around to see that day...and he won't either, I'm thinking.

It is such a good thing this jury got it right. I wouldn't have the patience for PS3.

I do believe they should tack on 6 years of freedom to that sentence. After all, they do lessen sentences in other cases for time served.

[Curlyjo]

here is PS new mug shot...http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0413092spector1.html

[oodi]

He will be given the proper medications in the proper dosages for any mental or physical illnesses that have been prescribed by a licensed physician.

Do you know if he will be re-evaluated/re-examined by an independent physician? I would hope that after the whole Ana Nicole debacle, that they would get a second opinion.

[penguin01]

finally, after 1.5 hours of teasers, insessions will be covering the verdict after the commercial break. Did they do it? I just turned the TV on and heard Jami say they will have it "later in the show". I wonder if Jami is taking her usual pro-defense stance with this one.

[warhorse46]

here is PS new mug shot...http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0413092spector1.html

I mean the one that will be taken once he arrives in state prison after he is sentenced, without his wig & with the standard 3 inch hair cut. This one was taken @ the county jail. He looks like someone zapped him with a cattle prod then snapped his picture.

[warhorse46]

Do you know if he will be re-evaluated/re-examined by an independent physician? I would hope that after the whole Ana Nicole debacle, that they would get a second opinion.



Yes he will be evaluated by the state physicians @ the intake facility.

[oodi]

Did they do it? I just turned the TV on and heard Jami say they will have it "later in the show". I wonder if Jami is taking her usual pro-defense stance with this one.

Speaking of someone eating crow!!! I wonder if she will come off like she did a couple of weeks ago, when she last mentioned this trial. :confused:

[warhorse46]

Can't wait to see that one. This one his face looks like it has been dipped in wax.

Will his convient wife write a book?

If Rachelle writes a book I will not buy it.

[QueeeenBeeee]

Did they do it? I just turned the TV on and heard Jami say they will have it "later in the show". I wonder if Jami is taking her usual pro-defense stance with this one.

morning my southern buddy!

Lisa had a brief section about the verdict.............talked with Beth Karas and showed a few clips...........the verdict reading and presser bits. Jamie will be talking about the appellate issues, of course. I think I will have to go do something more productive than that, maybe clean my frig.........lol

I must say how happy I am that justice was FINALLY served and that the Clarkson family can at least put this part of the nightmare behind them.

So today I reflect...........how sad that it took so long to see this day and how sad that one man's actions could adversely affect so many.:sad:

Then a smile creeps over my face..........ahhhh Phil, how's your Tuesday going, little buddy?:sneaky:

Again good to see you my friend, hugs to your furbaby, and hope to see you tonight for A/I:smile:

[warhorse46]

Did they do it? I just turned the TV on and heard Jami say they will have it "later in the show". I wonder if Jami is taking her usual pro-defense stance with this one.



That's what Jami was hired to do, present the defense side of the cases.

[hiitsme]

Speaking of someone eating crow!!! I wonder if she will come off like she did a couple of weeks ago, when she last mentioned this trial. :confused:

I really try to keep in mind that she was a defense attorney and is now being paid to "play" one on her show, but the arrogance in that statement about another hung jury just infuriated me! God only knows what she'll say about the Casey Anthony verdict.

[Ellie]

here is PS new mug shot...http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0413092spector1.html

Good morning, all!

Anybody else think PS had a face lift? Possibly *during* the trial? Maybe this was the 'medical reason' he had to be away for a few days back a couple months ago... ya think?

[oodi]

I really try to keep in mind that she was a defense attorney and is now being paid to "play" one on her show, but the arrogance in that statement about another hung jury just infuriated me! God only knows what she'll say about the Casey Anthony verdict.

She came across to me as though she thought it was a complete waste to try the case a second time. That's what got my goat, more than the hung jury comment.

[vonna]

I really try to keep in mind that she was a defense attorney and is now being paid to "play" one on her show, but the arrogance in that statement about another hung jury just infuriated me! God only knows what she'll say about the Casey Anthony verdict.

I'd like to hear her defend the murderer of Sandra Cantu.

[barskin&co.]

TruTV just announced they are going to broadcast the verdict reaction to the Spector conviction now.

Yaaaaaaay!!

[GIGI4256]

If Rachelle writes a book I will not buy it.

If Michelle Blaine write, I will buy!

[oodi]

Good morning, all!

Anybody else think PS had a face lift? Possibly *during* the trial? Maybe this was the 'medical reason' he had to be away for a few days back a couple months ago... ya think?

He has definitely had some "work" done. But in all fairness to him, I wonder how much was done out of vanity, and how much may have been done to "fine tune" some of the scarring there may be from the 700 or so stitches to his head and face from the car accident back in the '70's. I've thought that may also be the reason he wears the wigs or weaves.

[Mr. Moto2]

I just heard he will have to serve 18 years before being eligible for parole.

Thanks. Does M2 (with gun) carry a mandatory sentence of 18 years? Just curious now, and maybe confused.

[coinoutlet]

As best as I can remember from a post way back, they haven't spoken since Gary was 9 years old. So your assuming is more than likely right on. I do not know for sure. That is just what I remember reading. Might be wrong, but I do no not think so. I have been following this case for a long time, but I haven't been posting. So bare with me.

He went with his father to a basketball game in 1999. I think he was adopted at age 4-5 and lived with him till about 18-19.... He mentioned these things on the radio last night...IMO

[matthewe]

Thanks. Does M2 (with gun) carry a mandatory sentence of 18 years? Just curious now, and maybe confused.I'm courious and confused also. He could get out on appeal. Couldn't he? A lawyer friend of mine was telling me that he could ask for an emergency appeal or whatever its called while he is waiting to be sentenced. I think his health has something to do with it. Between now and May 29th is a lot of time.

[barskin&co.]

Thanks. Does M2 (with gun) carry a mandatory sentence of 18 years? Just curious now, and maybe confused.

It's 15 to life, but the jury gave a weapons charge enhancement that bumps the minimum up.

[barskin&co.]

I'm courious and confused also. He could get out on appeal. Couldn't he? A lawyer friend of mine was telling me that he could ask for an emergency appeal or whatever its called while he is waiting to be sentenced. I think his health has something to do with it. Between now and May 29th is a lot of time.

Any convicted murderer can make an appeal, and PS certainly will. That doesn't mean he is going to win one. He was remanded to custody, yesterday, and that's where he will stay.

[moondance]

they can treat his health issues within the system no need for him to get out for that.. i hope his kids get some money too and of course lana s family.

[penguin01]

morning my southern buddy!

Lisa had a brief section about the verdict.............talked with Beth Karas and showed a few clips...........the verdict reading and presser bits. Jamie will be talking about the appellate issues, of course. I think I will have to go do something more productive than that, maybe clean my frig.........lol

I must say how happy I am that justice was FINALLY served and that the Clarkson family can at least put this part of the nightmare behind them.

So today I reflect...........how sad that it took so long to see this day and how sad that one man's actions could adversely affect so many.:sad:

Then a smile creeps over my face..........ahhhh Phil, how's your Tuesday going, little buddy?:sneaky:

Again good to see you my friend, hugs to your furbaby, and hope to see you tonight for A/I:smile:
Welcome back! Hope you had a great trip in NY. I will see you tonight for AI unless power is out again.
I don't know if I can hang in here for Jami's "special report" in just a little bit. Wonder what tshe thinks about paying Liars as witnesses for the defence. Certainly there will be some further info on that - especially for one "professional liar" who was warned of his rights in open court.

[kennedy06]

Good morning, all!

Anybody else think PS had a face lift? Possibly *during* the trial? Maybe this was the 'medical reason' he had to be away for a few days back a couple months ago... ya think?

Are you kidding me, do we (I) think/guess he had a face lift YES!!!!

Was it on TMZ where there are photos of him since the Fro do, as I looked I thought my gosh he actually was getting younger looking, no I'm not:drool: over him:sneaky:
:laugh: so no one needs to be jealous! I don't want him, hes all yours.

Anyway, I remember his face looked swollen sometime during the beginning of the 1st trial, someone called it his Sammy Hagar look (wig).

[Jayne]

It's 15 to life, but the jury gave a weapons charge enhancement that bumps the minimum up.

You're right. And the weapon enhancement has 3 possible "limits"...it's either 3, 4, or 10...honestly, can't remember and I'm too busy/anxious with my own issues here to look it up..but I always did like doing that and posting it...I'd under "leginfo.ca.gov"..Penal Code...187 et. seq., but the tops is 10. The jury did said, they determined PS USED the gun in this crime. With gun enhancement the first # is "had a weapon" during commission of the crime, whether used or not, #2 is "brandished/used" the weapon (threats, force, etc.), #3 is the weapon "caused" the crime (THESE are my explanations)...so it would seem to me that with the jury's findings and the way weapon enhancements go, PS is looked at 10 years added to whatever the sentence of 15-life may be. My guess...and it's only a guess...it would be 15 plus 10....w/o possibility of parole. that puts him close to 90+, doesn't it?

jmo

J

I almost "hate" saying this...but when I got those cell calls, then the PMs when I got home...yep...I "yelled" inside my car when I heard KathR's voice on the cell say M2. Finally, justice. As the hours drew on and I listened to Gary and Sprocket on the show, watched TV, read the posts...sure, I still believe justice was done. But it's almost "bittersweet"..and I don't mean to PS. The Clarkson's have waited so long...and I read this morning their statement (of course, helped by their attorney to preserve their situation..but I think they would have truly meant that). The paralegal who spoke...boy did I have faith in her..Good Legal Professional, IMO. She was filled with emotion...she did the right thing...and it "hurt". That to me is what justice is, so often, doing the right thing always..but with the recognition that it doesn't mean the guy/gal with the "white hat" necessarily goes home and has a martini. Maybe, hopefully, they can sleep...and I'm sure many/most of them do. In this case, I really don't think there will be any wondering if they "did the right thing".

I wonder...and it's just wonder...if AJ didn't go home last night and have a bit of an "emotional breakdown" as well...NOT that he didn't do the right thing..but the release of all the pressure and knowing he assisted in "justice" albeit another human being (OK..convicted murderer) placed where he belongs...out of society.

jmo

J

(I know..no more lengthy posts from Jayne!...or at least just maybe a few more??)

[My 2 Cents]

What a class act you are! Thank you so much for taking the time to update us.

Question: Who is Phil's #1 fan mentioned on the sprocket blog?

"Phil's #1 Fan" that Sprocket often refers to is a woman (Teresa), perhaps late 40's - to early 50's. She is a teacher, I believe P.E. (physical ed. teacher in high school or middle school). She attended most of the 1st trial because it took place when school was out. During this trial (PS2) she has attended a lot, but usually doesn't show up until later in the afternoon, near the end of the court day, apparently after her last class.

She was there yesterday - perhaps she came straight from P.E. class, as she was wearing bright tangerine colored elastic stretch pants with a white, short sleeve T-sheet tucked in at the waist.

I have been told that she was not a friend of the Spector's prior to the trial, just a "supporter". She normally does not sit with Rachelle in court, but she sometimes walks out of court with Phil & Rachelle & the bodyguard to the elevators and then goes her separate ways. During "closings" and "verdict", etc - when the courtroom is packed - - she gets a seat and is let in as a Spector guest, so perhaps they have now formed a real friendship. I had the same impression of the golfing "Astrology" guy/fan that came to court often. That these were not friends or acquaintances prior to this trial. That their "friendship" was merely as a fan and supporter of Phil Spector. And that the Spector's welcomed supporters showing up in court and on their web page, etc. They both appeared to be very friendly people. Harvey Sid Fisher - the "Astrology singing" guy, is very charming and interesting to talk to. I don't believe Harvey was in court yesterday for the verdict. Teresa, was not the person Rachelle turned to when she gave the appearance of crying in the hallway. It was the bodyguard, Mrs Weinberg, etc. patting her shoulder and hovering around her, no girlfriends in sight.

However, I did find it curious that Rachelle did NOT appear to have any REAL GIRLFRIENDS at her side for this important moment, at a time when you really need your REAL FRIENDS close by for support. Except for when her Mom came to court awhile back - - she doesn't seem to have girlfriends by her side, sitting with her in court from time to time. Maybe I have missed each of these times - - but it doesn't seem to get reported by Sprocket either. I am curious if she has any real close girlfriends . . and I mean REAL friends, not "fans".

I did notice that there were quite a lot of GIRLFRIENDS there of LANAs . . . there to support Mrs Clarkson and her sister Fawn. I don't know what Lana's brother looks like, so I don't know if he was there or not.

[My 2 Cents]

Are you kidding me, do we (I) think/guess he had a face lift YES!!!!

Was it on TMZ where there are photos of him since the Fro do, as I looked I thought my gosh he actually was getting younger looking, no I'm not:drool: over him:sneaky:
:laugh: so no one needs to be jealous! I don't want him, hes all yours.

Anyway, I remember his face looked swollen right somewhere during the beginning of the 1st trial, someone called it his Sammy Hagar look (wig).

WOW - - if he did have a "face lift" it was not done very well. Not to sound mean or cruel, but in court, his face has DEEP set creases and many times his skin appears to "hang off" his facial structure. But he does look very different in the "mug shot" - it doesn't show the deep creases. And when he arrived yesterday - his skin, crease, deep lines, did look much better - - maybe he gets dehydrated easily and that affects the sagging skin and facial features, day-to-day - - because he just doesn't look very good in the courtroom usually. This "mug shot" is a good picture of him IMO.

[My 2 Cents]

Any convicted murderer can make an appeal, and PS certainly will. That doesn't mean he is going to win one. He was remanded to custody, yesterday, and that's where he will stay.

Weinberg stated at the PRESS CONFERENCE yesterday that HE DOESN'T EXPECT that Spector will be released on bail, at anytime during the appeal process, which he stated, takes a great deal of time.

[barskin&co.]

Weinberg stated at the PRESS CONFERENCE yesterday that HE DOESN'T EXPECT that Spector will be released on bail, at anytime during the appeal process, which he stated, takes a great deal of time.

PS was free for six long years between killing Lana and justice. That was more than enough time.

[kennedy06]

WOW - - if he did have a "face lift" it was not done very well. Not to sound mean or cruel, but in court, his face has DEEP set creases and many times his skin appears to "hang off" his facial structure. But he does look very different in the "mug shot" - it doesn't show the deep creases. And when he arrived yesterday - his skin, crease, deep lines, did look much better - - maybe he gets dehydrated easily and that affects the sagging skin and facial features, day-to-day - - because he just doesn't look very good in the courtroom usually. This "mug shot" is a good picture of him IMO.

Hi and thanks!

These were the photos which gave me that impression, though I think there was also some being compared on a British paper link too.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/26/phil-spectors-new-hair-dont/

[My 2 Cents]

It's 15 to life, but the jury gave a weapons charge enhancement that bumps the minimum up.

I may have misheard, but I believe Alan Jackson stated at the PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY, after asked this specific question by a reporter, "What is the MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME Spector can be given?" Jackson answered, 18 YEARS. And that included the added MINIMUM for the gun enhancement charge. He added that the maximum was LIFE . . . so Spector is looking at a sentence of between:

18 YEARS - TO - LIFE, when he is sentenced on May 29th. (if I am recalling things correctly)

[penguin01]

WOW - - if he did have a "face lift" it was not done very well. Not to sound mean or cruel, but in court, his face has DEEP set creases and many times his skin appears to "hang off" his facial structure. But he does look very different in the "mug shot" - it doesn't show the deep creases. And when he arrived yesterday - his skin, crease, deep lines, did look much better - - maybe he gets dehydrated easily and that affects the sagging skin and facial features, day-to-day - - because he just doesn't look very good in the courtroom usually. This "mug shot" is a good picture of him IMO. Heavens - so sad for him to hear that is a good picture of him - but you would know having been there to see him.
I would imagine he recently (during court days off) had some of those "plump-up" procedures people have - in preparation for photos he knew would be taken whatever the verdict would be. I'm sure he wanted to look his best for his final, victorious "humping" photos with the Trial Bride. Too bad, so sad.

[Carol25]

Why would Spector get a face lift? Who does he want to look good for?

He looks as if he was hit with a cattle prod in his mug shot.

[oodi]

I may have misheard, but I believe Alan Jackson stated at the PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY, after asked this specific question by a reporter, "What is the MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME Spector can be given?" Jackson answered, 18 YEARS. And that included the added MINIMUM for the gun enhancement charge. He added that the maximum was LIFE . . . so Spector is looking at a sentence of between:

18 YEARS - TO - LIFE, when he is sentenced on May 29th. (if I am recalling things correctly)


That's what I heard too.

[Mr. Moto2]

WOW - - if he did have a "face lift" it was not done very well. Not to sound mean or cruel, but in court, his face has DEEP set creases and many times his skin appears to "hang off" his facial structure. But he does look very different in the "mug shot" - it doesn't show the deep creases. And when he arrived yesterday - his skin, crease, deep lines, did look much better - - maybe he gets dehydrated easily and that affects the sagging skin and facial features, day-to-day - - because he just doesn't look very good in the courtroom usually. This "mug shot" is a good picture of him IMO.

I think he looks younger and different in the mug shot. He almost looks like one of those stoner-surfer dudes. Maybe the camera angle has something to do with this.

[Mr. Moto2]

I may have misheard, but I believe Alan Jackson stated at the PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY, after asked this specific question by a reporter, "What is the MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME Spector can be given?" Jackson answered, 18 YEARS. And that included the added MINIMUM for the gun enhancement charge. He added that the maximum was LIFE . . . so Spector is looking at a sentence of between:

18 YEARS - TO - LIFE, when he is sentenced on May 29th. (if I am recalling things correctly)

So he will have to serve at least 18 years before becoming eligible for parole?

[Jayne]

WOW - - if he did have a "face lift" it was not done very well. Not to sound mean or cruel, but in court, his face has DEEP set creases and many times his skin appears to "hang off" his facial structure. But he does look very different in the "mug shot" - it doesn't show the deep creases. And when he arrived yesterday - his skin, crease, deep lines, did look much better - - maybe he gets dehydrated easily and that affects the sagging skin and facial features, day-to-day - - because he just doesn't look very good in the courtroom usually. This "mug shot" is a good picture of him IMO.

M2C...we've discussed this.

They took that photo at an angle that gets him from "above"...

NOW...I won't want to talk about "age"..but better than below, huh?

He probably doesn't drink enough water..he may have liver disease...IF he had a facelift..and I don't think so...that car accident he was in was enough to destroy his musculature and collagen. It doesn't get better as you age..it gets worse..and a "facelift"..well if he had one...all the power to him....I'd like one! But it only lasts "so long".

I'm glad the verdict is what it is..but I just cannot make "fun of him"..and I KNOW you aren't either.

I always said..he was no Charles Manson...he's a pathetic response...to not being responded to...or not getting the help he needed at the time. And, he hated the "world" for it..he was "king of the mountain". I don't wish him a H**l in prison...I just want him to stay there.

I feel so much for his children.

Mug shots...not photogenic, huh?

Two years ago...first hip operation I barely weighed 109 pounds...I looked like a refugee. If someone took a "mug shot" of me then...GOOD LORD! PS could make a magazine cover.

I'm glad he was convicted...I don't think DW has a chance to get him saved on appeal.

But I will not demean him for his appearance. A skeleton look..who wouldn't have one after all this? Does he deserve it? probably.

Our outer shells are what they are...pretty can cause a lot of damage..not so pretty can be very comforting and helpful and caring.

you'll all hate me now...but I just wish PS could go lie in his cell...and live out his life as long as it will last. I don't want to see him blasted from here to there..it will affect his children. He murdered this woman..it is DONE...declared. That's what "we" wanted..right? justice. Well..it's been given.

After all this is said and done...I'd actually visit him in prison...I want to know what he has to say. I'm not afraid of him...I never would have been..BUT, I could have been Lana in that chair. I don't think she was afraid of him either. Until...

jmo

J

[kennedy06]

Seriously though, I looked at Michelle Blog, when you think of the seriousness of the issues PS had held over her that was a lot of stress. It never occurred to me what an accusation of embezzelment could mean outside of a civil court, he wasn't playing games was he (he was but..)
You can really sense the relief in her and her husband's writings.

Then you think of those from the Kevin B., the valet back in the early 70's that experienced one of PS's first noted gun threats and all the others through the years, how they must feel today. I wonder if they feel a little bit of the sense that justice is finally being served for them too.

[My 2 Cents]

Wow, great info. I had no idea who that person was. Does she appear to have her wits about her because I don't believe anyone who supports a cold blooded killer, especially a woman has a lot going on up there.

Rachelle doesn't have anyone in her life except for Phil. Wonder if that was part of the bargain they made?

Thank you again My2Cents.

This "spector fan#1" seems like a normal individual.

But it was odd, during the CLOSING ARGUMENTS by the defense, there was the weirdest array of people coming to sit on Spector's side. 2 people especially looked like they were hard-core "homeless" people . . . I am NOT being cruel - there is no other way to describe them. They seemed so out of it too. VERY, VERY, VERY ODD. I swear - it crossed my mind that Rachelle just canvassed the park across the street, to make sure there weren't any empty seats during CLOSING.

RE: Rachelle - On M.Blaine's blog - her husband wrote an article yesterday, I believe DREF99 linked to it, and he mentions Rachelle's "secret" behind-the-scenes boyfriend. He also states she crashed the ROLLS ROYCE twice, while out on a date with her "male friend", date. That would make more sense to me . . . a BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT with Phil and then indiscretion, out of the spot light, with a person more her age and personality. BUT I AGREE (with whoever said this) - - she seems to have kept up "her end of the bargain", as she always seems to appear very supportive in court and in public, of her "husband", Phil Spector.

[oodi]

M2C...we've discussed this.

They took that photo at an angle that gets him from "above"...

NOW...I won't want to talk about "age"..but better than below, huh?

He probably doesn't drink enough water..he may have liver disease...IF he had a facelift..and I don't think so...that car accident he was in was enough to destroy his musculature and collagen. It doesn't get better as you age..it gets worse..and a "facelift"..well if he had one...all the power to him....I'd like one! But it only lasts "so long".

I'm glad the verdict is what it is..but I just cannot make "fun of him"..and I KNOW you aren't either.

I always said..he was no Charles Manson...he's a pathetic response...to not being responded to...or not getting the help he needed at the time. And, he hated the "world" for it..he was "king of the mountain". I don't wish him a H**l in prison...I just want him to stay there.

I feel so much for his children.

Mug shots...not photogenic, huh?

Two years ago...first hip operation I barely weighed 109 pounds...I looked like a refugee. If someone took a "mug shot" of me then...GOOD LORD! PS could make a magazine cover.

I'm glad he was convicted...I don't think DW has a chance to get him saved on appeal.

But I will not demean him for his appearance. A skeleton look..who wouldn't have one after all this? Does he deserve it? probably.

Our outer shells are what they are...pretty can cause a lot of damage..not so pretty can be very comforting and helpful and caring.

you'll all hate me now...but I just wish PS could go lie in his cell...and live out his life as long as it will last. I don't want to see him blasted from here to there..it will affect his children. He murdered this woman..it is DONE...declared. That's what "we" wanted..right? justice. Well..it's been given.

After all this is said and done...I'd actually visit him in prison...I want to know what he has to say. I'm not afraid of him...I never would have been..BUT, I could have been Lana in that chair. I don't think she was afraid of him either. Until...

jmo

J

I certainly don't hate you, Jayne!!!

But I can top the 109 lbs. I tipped the scales at 70 lbs, before the docs could figure it out. Talk about looking like a refugee!!! :scared:

[kipswife]

good morning all,

this morining i couldnt help but think about how much ps must have loved his 4 am wake up call for breakfast. wonder what breakfast was. i am sure his new bed was not as comfortable as his old one.

[hiitsme]

Who is doing the appeal? Could be, but I do not think Weinberg will be doing it alone, if at all. You know, what I find interesting is that this case and the recent O.J. case have a similarity. Both were convicted with the help of testimony from criminals. Thats my opinion.

Criminals, definitely in the OJ case. Who were the criminals in the PS retrial? Liars and perjurors, but criminals?

[coinoutlet]

That is not what I remember reading, except the part about the basketball which he did not like. But anyway no big deal. How old do you think he is now?

I think he said 33

[Tracian]

Who is doing the appeal? Could be, but I do not think Weinberg will be doing it alone, if at all. You know, what I find interesting is that this case and the recent O.J. case have a similarity. Both were convicted with the help of testimony from criminals. Thats my opinion.



LOL, criminals in the OJ case where the same criminals that were his friends that helped him commit his crime, for the most part....there is that saying, 'no honor amoung thieves'

As far as this case...everyone was lying but the defense? Who was the criminal?

[penguin01]

And, she says, the 3rd time is a charm. She says that his PBAs should never have been allowed - because the people he did that to in the past lived thru the experience and Lana did not: so the PBAs don't meet the "exactly the same" requirement in the law. Luckily Jami is wrong alot, so I'm not upset by her comments this time.

[Dexter]

LOL, criminals in the OJ case where the same criminals that were his friends that helped him commit his crime, for the most part....there is that saying, 'no honor amoung thieves'

As far as this case...everyone was lying but the defense? Who was the criminal?

James Pex?

Perjury.

[Tracian]

James Pex?

Perjury.


Has he been charged, tried and convicted?

[My 2 Cents]

Who is doing the appeal? Could be, but I do not think Weinberg will be doing it alone, if at all. You know, what I find interesting is that this case and the recent O.J. case have a similarity. Both were convicted with the help of testimony from criminals. Thats my opinion.

". . . testimony from criminals". OH GIVE ME A BREAK! What are YOU referring to with regards to the Spector trial? Adrianno de Sousa? A college student over here on a Visa is a "criminal" because he took a side job to help pay the rent?

Perhaps I am wrong and YOU actually were referring to the alledged PERJURY by James Pex, the DEFENSE's WITNESS (as HIITSME suggests - giving YOU the benefit of the doubt). I think YOU are SUGGESTING the "testimony from criminals" was from the prosecution's witnesses. WHAT HOGWASH . . . I look forward to hearing more from the JURORS as time passes. I am certain you will hear them state on TV, interviews, etc . . . that they found ADS' testimony to be very reliable and very credible. And that the only FAULT and UNCREDIBLE WITNESSES . . . were ALL from the DEFENSE.

[Dexter]

Has he been charged, tried and convicted?

Not yet. James Pex, defense blood spatter "expert," committed his crime smack dab in the middle of convicted murderer Phil Spector's murder trial.

imo... of course. :)

[Dexter]

Convicted murderer Phil Spector.

Fact. No link required.

[Tracian]

". . . testimony from criminals". OH GIVE ME A BREAK! What are YOU referring to with regards to the Spector trial? Adrianno de Sousa? A college student over here on a Visa is a "criminal" because he took a side job to help pay the rent?

Perhaps I am wrong and YOU actually were referring to the alledged PERJURY by James Pex, the DEFENSE's WITNESS (as HIITSME suggests - giving YOU the benefit of the doubt). I think YOU are SUGGESTING the "testimony from criminals" was from the prosecution's witnesses. WHAT HOGWASH . . . I look forward to hearing more from the JURORS as time passes. I am certain you will hear them state on TV, interviews, etc . . . that they found ADS' testimony to be very reliable and very credible. And that the only FAULT and UNCREDIBLE WITNESSES . . . were ALL from the DEFENSE.

I will admit, I didn't follow this time as closely as last time, so I missed out on what James Pex had said and who he said it for; was his testimony really that obvious perjury? Has the DA hinted that charges would be filed against those that they believe have committed perjury?

[eagleeer]

And, she says, the 3rd time is a charm. She says that his PBAs should never have been allowed - because the people he did that to in the past lived thru the experience and Lana did not: so the PBAs don't meet the "exactly the same" requirement in the law. Luckily Jami is wrong alot, so I'm not upset by her comments this time.

Makes me dam glad that I didn't watch her this morning. I might have one less TV in my house. :w00t:

[Tracian]

Not yet. James Pex, defense blood spatter "expert," committed his crime smack dab in the middle of convicted murderer Phil Spector's murder trial.

imo... of course. :)


Thank you, I didn't follow this case as well as I did the first time, to be honest, even the first time the defense 'experts' did not do much to impress me.

The thing that stuck out the most for me, was Dr. Lee (the first time) and Dr. Baden's 'Ah-ha' moment:rolleyes:

[coinoutlet]

I will admit, I didn't follow this time as closely as last time, so I missed out on what James Pex had said and who he said it for; was his testimony really that obvious perjury? Has the DA hinted that charges would be filed against those that they believe have committed perjury?

Close enough that Judge Fidler found it necessary to read him his rights!

[Tracian]

Close enough that Judge Fidler found it necessary to read him his rights!


See that is what I get for not reading all the wonderful blogs that 2cents and Sprocket so wonderfully put out for us! hammer

Thanks!

[Dexter]

Doubt it. But you could dream on if you'd like.

No dreaming involved.

Sprocket reports on February 11th:

In today's afternoon session under cross examination, defense blood spatter expert, James Pex, was accused by prosecutor Alan Jackson of falsifying an experiment for the jury.

Jackson presented to the court the accusation Pex committed perjury in his testimony before the jury. Pex was called back into the courtroom and Judge Fidler advised him of his rights.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2009/02/phil-spector-retrial-jackson-accuses.html

Thank you, I didn't follow this case as well as I did the first time, to be honest, even the first time the defense 'experts' did not do much to impress me.

The thing that stuck out the most for me, was Dr. Lee (the first time) and Dr. Baden's 'Ah-ha' moment:rolleyes:

You're welcome. Details included in the link posted above. :)

[vonna]

Excuse me and no disrespect for government workers, but I sure wouldn't want to rely on some underpaid state employee for an evaluation. If there is any money left I'm sure it is put away somewhere. The castle is mortgaged, so even if they win a civil case they would have to pay off the mortgage before it cold be sold. I'm sure the mortgage money has been spent or is in a trust for the wife. That is what usually happens and was explained to me by a lawyer friend. Thats my opinion.

Underpaid state employees?? Check the statistics. Considering their retirement benefits - they are paid more than the private sector.

[Tracian]

I do not understand your post. I will explain what I mean without taking sides for agreeing or disagreeing with the out come of the cases. In the O.J. case the only 2 people who actually carried concealed guns into the Las Vegas hotel room were allowed to walk away from any charges. Both had prior convictions on other charges. At the time, one even had pending charges on another case. In the Spector case a convicted bank embezzeler and an illegal alien testified. See the similarity. Thats my opinion.

Hmmm...I am not even going to go into the OJ case; but the Spector case, in regards to what you state, means that the jury found their testimony far more credible than the slanderous fantasy the defense tried to spin.

[beccabeth]

Why would Spector get a face lift? Who does he want to look good for?

He looks as if he was hit with a cattle prod in his mug shot.

Cattle prod.....that"s very funny!:laugh:

[vonna]

Makes me dam glad that I didn't watch her this morning. I might have one less TV in my house. :w00t:

That makes two of us! I'm glad I had an appointment and had to leave.

[My 2 Cents]

Jamie Floyd says to Beth Karas, "THIS IS A HARD FOUGHT VICTORY, ALTHOUGH A 2ND DEGREE MURDER CONVICTION - - A VICTORY NONE THE LESS"

SO WHAT is that suppose to mean? "a victory none the less"?

DOES JAMIE THINK THAT THE PROSECUTION CHARGED SPECTOR WITH 1ST DEGREE MURDER? - - IS SHE IMPLYING THE VERDICT WAS FOR the "LESSOR" charge? How ODD Jamie . . . what a STRANGE REMARK. You need to do your homework a little better . . considering you covered this trial GAVEL-to-GAVEL in PS1 . . . you should be aware of this.

[Dexter]

That was back in Feb. Was he convicted? What was the end result? :confused:

The "end result" hasn't been reached yet.

Harriet Ryan reports on February 25th, 2009.

In this case, Spector’s lawyer claims Pex simply mixed up some photographs that were extraneous to his testimony. But prosecutors are expected to tell jurors in their closing arguments that Pex is a perjurer whose every conclusion should be disregarded.

Pex, a retired laboratory director from Oregon who has appeared on Good Morning America, Dateline and the Discovery Channel, also faces the prospect of criminal prosecution.

Under questioning he pointed out what he said was blood spatter on the grip of the gun and said it indicated Spector couldn’t have been clutching the weapon when it went off. A “more probable circumstance”, he told the jury, was that Clarkson pressed the trigger.

Pex supplemented his conclusions with photos of experiments he said he conducted in October with a blood-soaked sponge and a Colt Cobra, the type of gun used in the shooting.

But on cross-examination the next day, the prosecution confronted him with evidence showing that some of the photos were from a previous experiment with a different weapon.

Superior court judge Larry Paul Fidler said he did not have enough evidence to determine whether misconduct had occurred, but before jurors returned to the courtroom the judge informed Pex that based on the perjury allegations he had the right to an lawyer.

“I read my transcripts from yesterday. I don’t need one,” Pex replied.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0225/1224241768947.html

[eagleeer]

". . . testimony from criminals". OH GIVE ME A BREAK! What are YOU referring to with regards to the Spector trial? Adrianno de Sousa? A college student over here on a Visa is a "criminal" because he took a side job to help pay the rent?

Perhaps I am wrong and YOU actually were referring to the alledged PERJURY by James Pex, the DEFENSE's WITNESS (as HIITSME suggests - giving YOU the benefit of the doubt). I think YOU are SUGGESTING the "testimony from criminals" was from the prosecution's witnesses. WHAT HOGWASH . . . I look forward to hearing more from the JURORS as time passes. I am certain you will hear them state on TV, interviews, etc . . . that they found ADS' testimony to be very reliable and very credible. And that the only FAULT and UNCREDIBLE WITNESSES . . . were ALL from the DEFENSE.

M2C,

Quite noteable that after the fact someone with few posts under their belt comes here to bait this thread. Here is hoping Report and Ignore will solve this problem.

[Details]

It'd be hard to prove, sufficiently for a court, whether this was Pex making a mistake, or deliberate perjury. He's saying it was a mistake. In any case - it sure does invalidate his testimony, when he's basing his conclusions on the wrong data.

[eagleeer]

Jamie Floyd says to Beth Karas, "THIS IS A HARD FOUGHT VICTORY, ALTHOUGH A 2ND DEGREE MURDER CONVICTION - - A VICTORY NONE THE LESS"

SO WHAT is that suppose to mean? "a victory none the less"?

DOES JAMIE THINK THAT THE PROSECUTION CHARGED SPECTOR WITH 1ST DEGREE MURDER? - - IS SHE IMPLYING THE VERDICT WAS FOR the "LESSOR" charge? How ODD Jamie . . . what a STRANGE REMARK. You need to do your homework a little better . . considering you covered this trial GAVEL-to-GAVEL in PS1 . . . you should be aware of this.

M2C,

It is painfully obvious that Jamie Floyd is way behind the curve on PS2. She certainly has a propensity for opening her mouth and inserting her foot.

[Dexter]

Thanks Dexter for the info. I could be wrong, but I doubt he'll be prosecuted. It would have happened by now.

You're welcome. I agree James Pex most likely won't be prosecuted. Regardless... James Pex committed perjury.

It'd be hard to prove, sufficiently for a court, whether this was Pex making a mistake, or deliberate perjury. He's saying it was a mistake. In any case - it sure does invalidate his testimony, when he's basing his conclusions on the wrong data.

Yes. In any case, it sure does invalidate his "testiphony."

imo... of course. :)

[moondance]

it so struck me since following ps1 and now this that looking at him he just looked like there was nobody home behind those eyes BUT then after the verdict was read he seemed to come alive- i mean his eyes- it looked like he was there, really present.

[AZCHARGED]

Jamie Floyd says to Beth Karas, "THIS IS A HARD FOUGHT VICTORY, ALTHOUGH A 2ND DEGREE MURDER CONVICTION - - A VICTORY NONE THE LESS"

SO WHAT is that suppose to mean? "a victory none the less"?

DOES JAMIE THINK THAT THE PROSECUTION CHARGED SPECTOR WITH 1ST DEGREE MURDER? - - IS SHE IMPLYING THE VERDICT WAS FOR the "LESSOR" charge? How ODD Jamie . . . what a STRANGE REMARK. You need to do your homework a little better . . considering you covered this trial GAVEL-to-GAVEL in PS1 . . . you should be aware of this.

Such an extremely odd (almost bizarre), choice of words -- even for Jamie. Good catch, I missed it!! (Hadn't had my first cup of coffee yet!)

[Details]

No expert am I, but I think he made a mistake and not purjury. I think the court has probably agreed on that.

Does it really matter now that Phil is finally where he belongs?If it was perjury, and not an error - it does matter. There have been many cases with problems with experts testilying for the defense (and some for the prosecution). If we don't prosecute, there's no incentive for these experts to tell the truth.

Where it's a matter of opinion - the expert can say what they like. But when they misrepresent science, or give false information, false exhibits of experiments - if it was in any way knowingly, they should be prosecuted.

[vonna]

How did you see his eyes? He was staring ahead and yawning.

Judging by his reaction - one would have thought Mr. Whineberg was the one going to jail.

[hiitsme]

You are wrong and it is not hogwash. Working while on a student visa is illegal. He wasn't even enrolled or planed to enroll anywhere at the time. According to some people I happen to know in government the only time working while on a student visa is allowed is if the work relates to a field of study. Check it out yourself. ICE has a web site if you don't believe me. I realize that sometimes even a blind hog can find an acorn, but I'm sure his limo job doesn't qualify. Thats my opinion. Hey, what about the convicted bank embezzler. Why did you ignore her?

She told the truth too! Just one of many who divulged the real plight of this man (and I use that term loosely)! He is where he belongs for the rest of his life.

[Tracian]

You are wrong and it is not hogwash. Working while on a student visa is illegal. He wasn't even enrolled or planed to enroll anywhere at the time. According to some people I happen to know in government the only time working while on a student visa is allowed is if the work relates to a field of study. Check it out yourself. ICE has a web site if you don't believe me. I'm sure his limo job doesn't qualify. Thats my opinion. Hey, what about the convicted bank embezzler. Why did you ignore her?


Hmmm...let's weigh the 'crimes' out here....

Someone who over stays a visa.....
Someone who stole money.....

Someone that shot a woman in the face.....

[penguin01]

Thanks Dexter for the info. I could be wrong, but I doubt he'll be prosecuted. It would have happened by now.
Re: Pex - I would like to think it is being investigated to see if it was error or purposeful. It hasn't been that long - little more than a couple of weeks - with CA holidays and Good Friday and Easter in between.

It would be interesting to check out the bank accounts of Lana's acquaintance who so dramatically changed his story for the defense for this trial. Pretty hard to even pretend to pull off after all the interviews he'd given saying the opposite in the past. I guess the defense was getting really, really desperate at the end there.

And enought about the chaffeur, for goodness sake! He was clear and consistant about what he heard. Whether or not he should have had a job - he heard what he heard and he said so. Case closed.

[oodi]

Sorry to interrupt you but is there a link? For the whole verdict I mean?
Not just 3 minutes but the whole thing? Somewhere? Tried to find it under the link section but couldn´t. :sad:

:blushing:Help, please?:blushing:

LL

Here it is:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/entertainment/Jury-Reaches-Verdict-in-Spector-Case.html

Check the left side of the page. There are a few videos from yesterday, including the one with the reading of the verdict.

[barskin&co.]

God knows what would have happened if it had not been for DeSouza. Someone else might have helped PS cover up the crime. DeSouza called the police and told them the truth about what happened. PS told him "I think I just killed someone," and DeSouza's sure and convincing testimony blew an irreparable hole in what would become PS's "suicide" defense.

[juggernaut]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.

[Dexter]

hehehehehe.

That post cracked me up. Much appreciated, juggernaut.

imo... of course. :)

[oodi]

That is ok. I didn't have any links saved is all.

He is in holding until his sentence date in May. Exact date escapes me now. He is going for 18 yrs at least.


It's May 29th.

[Rickshere911]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.

He was convicted because he is a murdering little creep. He murdered Lana and should have gotten the death penalty!

[breezie]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.

Good luck with that. Phil's gonna stay at Twin Towers. For good.

[vonna]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.

You apparently didn't see the Foreperson's eyes fill with tears yesterday at the necessity of having to reach the M2 verdict.

[True2Blues]

Makes me dam glad that I didn't watch her this morning. I might have one less TV in my house. :w00t:

That's why I quit watching her long ago. :biggrin: If a trial is on I just mute her until the reporter on the scene comes on and then back to mute.

[oodi]

Thanks oodi. Hope I'm able to watch it.


Me too!! I hope someone covers it.

[Anakerie]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.
:confused: Intimidated jurors???

Did you not watch the interview with the jury foreman/woman yesterday? She said they all went into deliberations in a "neutral" frame of mind and then they reviewed all of the evidence... Where the heck does your "intimidation" come in?

The DA's office prosecuted Spector because he was the ONLY suspect in the murder of Lana. The Judge did what judges do, he presided over the court while the prosecution and the defense argued.

The verdict is NOT a travesty and I have a hunch that your assurance that it would be overturned is going to be a huge disappointment to you. Phil Spector was tried (twice!) and convicted based on the evidence and testimony presented. Phil Spector will most likely spend the rest of his life sitting in prison.

[vonna]

More than likely from the pressure to convict. TMO

LOL!!!! Preposterous!

[Dexter]

More than likely from the pressure to convict. TMO

Overwhelming evidence of Phil Spector's guilt would cause a great deal of pressure to convict.

I agree.

imo... of course. :)

[joolz]

These latest jurors must have felt tremendous pressure to convict.
LA DA and Fidler were out to get Spector because they hated the little odd person he is.
This verdict is a travesty and it WILL be overturned.

Well, you got the "odd" and "little" parts right.

[Tracian]

More than likely from the pressure to convict. TMO


The last trial was 10-2 in favor of conviction, in the real world, the defense had to know that this time around the best they could hope for would be a hung jury.

The same case was essentially put on this time around, and the odds were that he was going to get the verdict he deserved.

Maybe if that coward would have taken the stand and explained what he claims happened he would have swayed a few...but putting up a parade of paid experts was not going to cut it.

[Dexter]

Well, you got the "odd" and "little" parts right.

And person. Phil Spector is still a person.

A person rightfully convicted of murder but a person nonetheless.

imo... of course. :)

[vonna]

Well, you got the "odd" and "little" parts right.

Yeah! Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

[moondance]

look at it again you will see his eyes. at first i saw it on mute because i couldn t find the remote and i noticed it right away.-you have to look at the whole thing from the verdict to when they led him away.

[kaa]

Well its finally over and PS is finally gonna pay. Meanwhile Rachelle is at the castle loading anything and everything she can get her hands on including any amount of money Phil left her but by the time its all over hell be broke and bankrupt when Rachelle is finish wiping him out. Please we all know it was his money she was after certainly not his body or looks thats for sure but either way he gets what he gets.
karen

[Tracian]

You are 100% correct. I would like to add that they didn't want another so-called celebrity case to slip away and were willing to do anything to make sure of it. TMO


The world needed a scape goat, and the world picked poor Phil Spector.

We just have to forget, should we subscribe to such a theory, that PS has a longggggggggg history of threating women with guns, waited 45 minutes before 911 was called, and made that comment, 'I think I killed someone"

[Dexter]

Not a decent person that is for sure.

You are 100% correct.