Monday 13th April

[MoonFlwr]

Starting a new thread for Monday as it seems the threads moved back over here from the temporary forum, are closed, now.

[StickyBeak]

Good Morning,

Hope today we hear some answers to our many questions.

Please keep candles lit for Sandra

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

[StickyBeak]

Starting a new thread for Monday as it seems the boards moved back over here from the temporary boards, are closed ,now.
G'Day Moonflwr, I started one at same time as you, LOL I will ask CW to delete. Mum from Brisbane

[cutiepatootie61]

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51948@kovr.dayport.com

I have to say that watching this video of Brian Lawless, Melissa's dad, I don't think there was any red flags as to her mental stability. He seems quite genuine and kind and compassionate and I think this family is as shocked as the rest of us with what transpired over the weekend.

[cutiepatootie61]

Guess I posted on the wrong one?

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51948@kovr.dayport.com

I have to say that watching this video of Brian Lawless, Melissa's dad, I don't think there was any red flags as to her mental stability. He seems quite genuine and kind and compassionate and I think this family is as shocked as the rest of us with what transpired over the weekend.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/misc/progress.gif

[MoonFlwr]

Oops Stickybeak! :P

I don't mind if she deletes this one. I am eating a snack, so would you be able to ask? Thanks! :)

[MoonFlwr]

Guess I posted on the wrong one?

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51948@kovr.dayport.com

I have to say that watching this video of Brian Lawless, Melissa's dad, I don't think there was any red flags as to her mental stability. He seems quite genuine and kind and compassionate and I think this family is as shocked as the rest of us with what transpired over the weekend.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/misc/progress.gif

I agree...her father seems totally disoriented and tearful while answering many of the questions!

[StickyBeak]

Oops Stickybeak! :P

I don't mind if she deletes this one. I am eating a snack, so would you be able to ask? Thanks! :)

I can't find her pm or email, hopefully she will merge or delete them. Sorry CW.

[lunchlady]

I think the above theory about drugging/photographing/ODing Sandra is the best fit so far. Melissa could have given Sandra a cup of juice with drugs and since Sandra was at her house often she would have trusted her and drank it.

The theme of all of MH's past brushes with the law have to do with her lowly financial status and her apparent inability to figure out how to improve it without stealing and filing for bankruptcy. She hadn't had a job since 2004? Living with her grandparents with her sickly 5 year old? Did she have health insurance for her stomach ulcers and her kid? Did she buy that newish SUV she drove to the police station? How did she pay for drugs in the past and possibly even up to her arrest? I doubt her grandparents gave her much cash to spend, since they didn't seem to have much either. Had she tried to get a job? Was she planning to look for a job when her daughter started school? Did she have a plan at all to move out of her grandparents' house?

This seems like a woman who needed cash in a big way and had lots of free time to sit around and think about how broke she was. I think folks who get into the legal system for petty theft have usually gotten away with stealing a lot more stuff than they finally got caught for. Wonder how many times she drove over and swiped stuff at Target before they caught her.

Petty theft sounds well, petty. But it indicates a willingness to sneak around and break the rules.
If there's really a ring of 60 kiddie porn weirdos in the Tracy area then they need access to children, and they are probably willing to pay for the photos. If some of them have been arrested lately they might be looking for less suspicious operatives to get the photos. Maybe Melissa got a tempting offer and instructions from one of these guys, thought it wouldn't do much harm if Sandra were drugged first, and thought she was smart enough to somehow get away with it all. Oops, not breathing anymore, get the suitcase and dump her body in the irrigation canal. Maybe MH wanted to give Sandra enough drugs so that she wouldn't remember anything when she woke up and then tell her that she'd fallen and hit her head, but she gave her an adult size dose and boom.


My second favorite theory is the Maternal Competitive Jealousy theory. That requires a higher level of disordered thought and conscience IMO.

[cutiepatootie61]

It's possible that the jail are refusing Melissa any visitors because they are conducting an evaluation. I know that anyone admitted to a hospital for a psych eval or detoxification from drugs/alcohol are not permitted phone calls or visits for 3 days. Also if her hospitalization last week had anything to do with a suicide attempt, this would warrant and extensive eval.

[~jomomma~]

hmmmm, from the video of Melissa's father.....another reason for her to move in with gramma and grampa....

to help them out

[MoonFlwr]

I am busy eating finger-licking good nutella snacks, so I will go searching for her email in a bit! :biggrin: (I do have it)

Maybe if we just stick to one it will be simpler! (s o r r y! )

[cutiepatootie61]

hmmmm, from the video of Melissa's father.....another reason for her to move in with gramma and grampa....

to help them out

Did I hear right, she's only been there for 7 months or so? I couldn't quite hear all the questions being asked.

[aproudmom]

Starting a new thread for Monday as it seems the threads moved back over here from the temporary forum, are closed, now.

Morning Moon
why is there 2 threads open is this were I need to me? lol

[aproudmom]

http://pastor-lane-lawless.love.com/
Lawless and his wife said they had known and cared for Sandra for about six years.

"I don't think she ever came by our house without stopping," said Lawless.

There's no need to fall apart just keep going," said Lawless

http://t.love.com/203047453
video of Grandpa speaks,

[GentleBreeze]

So they think she was murdered in the church? Why did they open up the church then? Sorry, been away. Also shes on suicide watch.

Because they are through with the processing of the crime scene. All the evidence has been removed.They have no reason not to release a public church.

I think it is customary when a defendant is first arrested on a degree this egregious they are put on suicide watch and monitored.

imo

[MoonFlwr]

Stickybeak: I have emailed ColdWater.

Yes, I heard 7 months, too, since Melissa moved in with her Grand Folks.

[aproudmom]

It's possible that the jail are refusing Melissa any visitors because they are conducting an evaluation. I know that anyone admitted to a hospital for a psych eval or detoxification from drugs/alcohol are not permitted phone calls or visits for 3 days. Also if her hospitalization last week had anything to do with a suicide attempt, this would warrant and extensive eval.

2 days here until you can visit

[TXbeaver]

I think the above theory about drugging/photographing/ODing Sandra is the best fit so far. Melissa could have given Sandra a cup of juice with drugs and since Sandra was at her house often she would have trusted her and drank it.

The theme of all of MH's past brushes with the law have to do with her lowly financial status and her apparent inability to figure out how to improve it without stealing and filing for bankruptcy. She hadn't had a job since 2004? Living with her grandparents with her sickly 5 year old? Did she have health insurance for her stomach ulcers and her kid? Did she buy that newish SUV she drove to the police station? How did she pay for drugs in the past and possibly even up to her arrest? I doubt her grandparents gave her much cash to spend, since they didn't seem to have much either. Had she tried to get a job? Was she planning to look for a job when her daughter started school? Did she have a plan at all to move out of her grandparents' house?

This seems like a woman who needed cash in a big way and had lots of free time to sit around and think about how broke she was. I think folks who get into the legal system for petty theft have usually gotten away with stealing a lot more stuff than they finally got caught for. Wonder how many times she drove over and swiped stuff at Target before they caught her.

Petty theft sounds well, petty. But it indicates a willingness to sneak around and break the rules.
If there's really a ring of 60 kiddie porn weirdos in the Tracy area then they need access to children, and they are probably willing to pay for the photos. If some of them have been arrested lately they might be looking for less suspicious operatives to get the photos. Maybe Melissa got a tempting offer and instructions from one of these guys, thought it wouldn't do much harm if Sandra were drugged first, and thought she was smart enough to somehow get away with it all. Oops, not breathing anymore, get the suitcase and dump her body in the irrigation canal. Maybe MH wanted to give Sandra enough drugs so that she wouldn't remember anything when she woke up and then tell her that she'd fallen and hit her head, but she gave her an adult size dose and boom.


My second favorite theory is the Maternal Competitive Jealousy theory. That requires a higher level of disordered thought and conscience IMO.

this is the best hypothesis I've seen yet, lunchlady. All of Melissa's past offenses seem to have financial motives. I was not aware that she'd filed for bankruptcy.

Who that young gets bleeding ulcers? Goodness gracious. I wonder if there are certain conditions/activities that promote that kind of ulcer.

[MoonFlwr]

Morning Moon
why is there 2 threads open is this were I need to me? lol

Hiya aproudmom :)

Two of us started a thread at the same time without realising it. May as well stick to this one as it has the most replies. I've emailed ColdWater to get us out of the doo-doo we created! :closedeyes:

[Ninja108]

I understand the rage the family feels towards Melissa but the one uncle saying he'd like to beat the crap out of her family is uncalled for , as is the anger many people are starting to show towards her family. I doubt any of them had an inkling she'd be a murderer. My prayers are with Sandra's family but also with Melissa's family, espcially her daughter, whom will find out sooner or later her mommy killed her friend.

[StickyBeak]

WOW, Lunchlady, that is some theory, ITA! MH got caught up in something she could not back out of. I wondered about her claim of hospitalization due to internal bleeding, could she have been assulted for messing up and bringing attention to the church?

Good Morning everyone, I started a thread same time as Moon, hopefully CW can delete mine.

[MoonFlwr]

Sorry guys, 2 threads for today were started at the same time.

Perhaps we could stick to the one below that has more replies on it right now...and CW can merge this one with it. (I've emailed her!)

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=351824

[GentleBreeze]

I am bringing this post over from thread 2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger
"So they think she was murdered in the church? Why did they open up the church then? Sorry, been away. Also shes on suicide watch."

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Because they are through with the processing of the crime scene. All the evidence has been removed.They have no reason not to release a public church.

I think it is customary when a defendant is first arrested on a degree this egregious they are put on suicide watch and monitored.

imo

[StickyBeak]

Stickybeak: I have emailed ColdWater.

Yes, I heard 7 months, too, since Melissa moved in with her Grand Folks.

TY Moon, is it 2am in Oz? Mum from Brisbane.

Going to listen to interview.

[aproudmom]

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/904130314/-1/A_NEWS02

8-year-old girl's memory on the minds of so many on Easter Sunday:crying:

We would love to sit down and say, 'Melissa, come on. Tell us what happened,' " Huckaby's uncle Brett Lawless told The Record. "This is a place of worship, and for us at all to think a crime happened here is unthinkable."

Clifford Lane Lawless and Brian Lawless, Huckaby's father, said they did not know why police suspected Huckaby and did not believe her capable of hurting a child.

At the jail, Huckaby was declining to talk with reporters, said Deputy Les Garcia, a Sheriff's Office spokesman. She had not threatened to kill herself but was on suicide watch as a precaution, he said. She is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Manteca.


If this is true she able to see her family she is just does not want to..

[aproudmom]

Hiya aproudmom :)

Two of us started a thread at the same time without realising it. May as well stick to this one as it has the most replies. I've emailed ColdWater to get us out of the doo-doo we created! :closedeyes:

lol you ding bats.:tonguewag:.just kidding thanks alot to both of you

[MoonFlwr]

I am bringing this post over from thread 2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by trigger
"So they think she was murdered in the church? Why did they open up the church then? Sorry, been away. Also shes on suicide watch."

*******************************************

Because they are through with the processing of the crime scene. All the evidence has been removed.They have no reason not to release a public church.

I think it is customary when a defendant is first arrested on a degree this egregious they are put on suicide watch and monitored.

imo

(bolding mine...)

Yes. I seem to remember that from previous cases, GentleBreeze. Melanie McGuire is the first one that sprang to my mind.

[n/t]

Guess I posted on the wrong one?

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51948@kovr.dayport.com

I have to say that watching this video of Brian Lawless, Melissa's dad, I don't think there was any red flags as to her mental stability. He seems quite genuine and kind and compassionate and I think this family is as shocked as the rest of us with what transpired over the weekend.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/misc/progress.gif

Same here. I find him to be really sincere and honest. It must be such a shock for her family as well.

[GentleBreeze]

Since Melissa had only lived with her elderly grandparents for 7 months I don't think there is any connection to her grandfather's church except she knew no one would be there at that time of day so she took Sandra where she knew they would be alone.

My heart breaks for Melissa's family. She has left many victims in her wake of destruction. All of the many years of good will done by those who tried to lead a good life has now been tainted by their family member being a murderer of a little girl.

I think she was a black sheep and she is so unlike any of her other family members. Her father seems to be a genuine, honest and kind man.

My heart is with Sandra's family and Melissa's family too. How can either family ever heal from what she has done?

imo

[MoonFlwr]

TY Moon, is it 2am in Oz? Mum from Brisbane.

Going to listen to interview.

It's 2am in Bris, yeah :)

12 am here. (Sydney)

[MoonFlwr]

lol you ding bats.:tonguewag:.just kidding thanks alot to both of you

lol! you stirrer you! :biggrin:

[OctaviaSwirl]

Is it fact little Sandra was killed in the church?

I am just so SHOCKED by this woman killing Sandra!

[iluvmua]

Since Melissa had only lived with her elderly grandparents for 7 months I don't think there is any connection to her grandfather's church except she knew no one would be there at that time of day so she took Sandra where she knew they would be alone.

My heart breaks for Melissa's family. She has left many victims in her wake of destruction. All of the many years of good will done by those who tried to lead a good life has now been tainted by their family member being a murderer of a little girl.

I think she was a black sheep and she is so unlike any of her other family members. Her father seems to be a genuine, honest and kind man.

My heart is with Sandra's family and Melissa's family too. How can either family ever heal from what she has done?

imo

ITA, Melissa's family needs support and prayers just as bad a Sandra's family does. two families lives are forever changed.

[aproudmom]

Huckaby's family: 28-year-old's arrest for killing Sandra Cantu is 'surreal"
http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12128530?source=most_emailed

Huckaby's Relatives Convey 'Shock'
http://t.love.com/203368810

Video
http://t.love.com/203368810

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30181694/

[GentleBreeze]

(bolding mine...)

Yes. I seem to remember that from previous cases, GentleBreeze. Melanie McGuire is the first one that sprang to my mind.

It happens in a lot of cases. Most crime scenes are released pretty early on. Now iirc in the Greone murder case the home was still held by LE for about three weeks, then released back to the family and they hadn't even caught Duncan yet, that didn't happen until 7 weeks later after Shasta and Dylan went missing.

Judges are very stringent on LE and expect them to do their crime scene investigation in a timely manner and then release the property back to its rightful owners. Imo, they are through with the church site and they know this church has church members that are wanting to attend their own church.

I believe in the Spector case his home was released within 36 hours after police arrived with the search warrant.

imo

[Ice Cycle]

Same here. I find him to be really sincere and honest. It must be such a shock for her family as well.

I just watched it also and yes he does seem very sincere. It is obvious that these people are finding it hard to grasp what has happened. I did think the reporters asked too many questions as you could tell he was having a hard time thinking of past dates and times which would be normal in that situation.

[MoonFlwr]

Is it fact little Sandra was killed in the church?

I am just so SHOCKED by this woman killing Sandra!

cbs is reporting that as fact.

http://cbs13.com/

[KKKKKKatie]

I feel so bad for this family :sad: They have 3 other children.....2 older boys and a younger daughter.

This is going to ruin 2 family's....just so sad :sad:

[aproudmom]

Same here. I find him to be really sincere and honest. It must be such a shock for her family as well.

her mother had MH daughter 2 days after Sandra went missing they went on a planned trip..MLH suffers from ulcers and they say that is why she was in hospital. I will not judge them but I do have to say they really should have done the media thing at the church and not in front of the park..just out of respect IMO...They allowed several media station to come pray with them saw they would not allow them in the Sunday school room when they allowed them to tape the inside of the church...don't get me wrong n/t I guess when they are within sight of the family it had to be hard I just think they should have done it down the road...jmo
Sandra's Uncle said on GMA he want to go down there and take care of all of them but it is not in him he is not that way..so he is hurting and can not even look down towards the home..MH grandpa made a statement saying It is just time to move on..ok whatever..that is not right IMO..

[kitty1182]

Guess I posted on the wrong one?

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51948@kovr.dayport.com

I have to say that watching this video of Brian Lawless, Melissa's dad, I don't think there was any red flags as to her mental stability. He seems quite genuine and kind and compassionate and I think this family is as shocked as the rest of us with what transpired over the weekend.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/images/misc/progress.gif

I agree....This family is sure a lot different than the A's, I tell you that..

[CelticDawn]

Why did she kill Sandra?

Has anybody gotten a statement as to WHY?

[aproudmom]

cbs is reporting that as fact.

http://cbs13.com/

Police have not revealed details about Sandra's death, including where she was killed. However, CBS News reported Sunday that police believe Sandra was killed in the church.

When asked Sunday if the TV report was accurate, Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman said he could not disclose information because of the ongoing investigation.

"I can't confirm or deny it," he said.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Had there been prior problems between the two families?

Sandra's uncle, Joe Chavez, said the arrest of his sister's neighbor had allowed some of his rage toward Huckaby's family to surface.

"I want to go over there and beat the crap out of those people, but I'm not going to do that," he said as he stood at the entrance to the mobile home park where the little girl lived with her mother. "I just want to vent my anger but it's not in me."

http://cbs13.com/local/sandra.cantu.slaying.2.983211.html

[Destini]

I guess no one really knows why Melissa was hospitalized based on the article in the link below. Why wouldn't the grandma or grandpa (pastor & his wife) know why she was hospitalized?? I know under HIPAA the hospital won't tell them, but did she just up and go to the hospital and not say anything to family?

I suspect it WAS a suicide attempt. Everything we're hearing, she was very quiet. I'm just wondering how much her family really knows about her.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/904130314/-1/A_NEWS02

Brian Lawless said he was concerned his daughter may have been hospitalized because she might have tried to hurt herself. He said he feared that because she was sometimes depressed, though he said she did not have a history of mental illness.

[meadowlark]

I and a couple of others are trying to figure out WHAT went wrong with Melissa, and WHEN and WHY.

Maybe someone here can help fill in the blanks. This is what we are working on.

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one place states:

she had been staying with her grandparents for 8 months.

another place states
She had worked as a checker at a FoodMaxx grocery store in a strip mall just east of the mobile park for nearly four years, until she was fired sometime in 2004, said Matt Duncan, an assistant manager at the store now known as FoodMaxx.(some articles say Food 4 Less)

if she had worked for food 4 less for four yrs then fired in 2004, she started working there in 2000. If she was at the grandparents house for 8 months, she would have moved in with them sometime in September of 2008. so was she living in the tracy area for 8 yrs with someone else? Or did she get fired in 2004 and go back to southern ca, or somewhere else then come back 8 months ago to live with grandparents.

but if her daughter is 5 years old, she was born approx 2004, about the time she was fired. but she was a single mother I guess when she was fired. So she got fired after the baby was born. And she was separated at the time she was pregnant.

so it "seems" she was separated when she was pregant and working at food Maxx, then was separated from her husband and got fired from her job when the baby was born. It is still 2004. So where does she go until around September of 2008? That is 4 years something is going on. During this time she ends up with several theft charges. by the time she moves in with her grandparent 8 months ago, she still is stealing as she picks up a new theft charge for which she is ordered to attend a mental health program and had not even started that yet.

I show an address for her on Tracy Blvd in Tracy, let me check dates on that. She must have been living in Tracy by herself or with someone else before she moved in with her grandparents? Or she was living in Tracy with her x husband at the Tracy Blvd residence?

I need to check dates of living in Tracy with dates getting arrested in Orange County and her working at the Food Maxx in Tracy. Somewhere in this time frame between 2004(fired from food Maxx and pregnant) and when she moves in with grandparents, something is going on with her that she has all these theft charges and is fired.

[AmndaRcknwth]

her mother had MH daughter 2 days after Sandra went missing they went on a planned trip..MLH suffers from ulcers and they say that is why she was in hospital. I will not judge them but I do have to say they really should have done the media thing at the church and not in front of the park..just out of respect IMO...They allowed several media station to come pray with them saw they would not allow them in the Sunday school room when they allowed them to tape the inside of the church...don't get me wrong n/t I guess when they are within sight of the family it had to be hard I just think they should have done it down the road...jmo
Sandra's Uncle said on GMA he want to go down there and take care of all of them but it is not in him he is not that way..so he is hurting and can not even look down towards the home..MH grandpa made a statement saying It is just time to move on..ok whatever..that is not right IMO..


I'm not sure why I am not feeling sympathy for Melissa's family.

Her Dad Brian has not spoken to her in months, he says on the video interview. Her Mom Judy swooped up Madison and took her off (good thing) but said it was a planned vacation (I don't think so). Gramps says 'no need to fall apart'.

Excuse me?

It would be more natural to fall apart, and the service yesterday at the very place Melissa killed Sandra, well I feel a bit steamed over it. Just a feeling, that's all. Creeps me out.

What the heck else did Melissa do in that church??

[Adalena935]

Since Melissa had only lived with her elderly grandparents for 7 months I don't think there is any connection to her grandfather's church except she knew no one would be there at that time of day so she took Sandra where she knew they would be alone.

My heart breaks for Melissa's family. She has left many victims in her wake of destruction. All of the many years of good will done by those who tried to lead a good life has now been tainted by their family member being a murderer of a little girl.

I think she was a black sheep and she is so unlike any of her other family members. Her father seems to be a genuine, honest and kind man.

My heart is with Sandra's family and Melissa's family too. How can either family ever heal from what she has done?

imo

I agree. They'll never get over it. They're forced to live with it. It's as tragic as anything can be.

[aproudmom]

I think I have googled everyone and everything and I am amazed of the amount of people who are leaving comments keep bring up the fact that a 7yr old in her care was drugged..of course most are locals or around CA..but so many comments about this and I am sure it can be cleared up very easy by the mother or LE..so I will not go there..also what is this stuff about a under ground tunnel??anyway they said no there was not one from the church to the home..must have missed that rumor.

spokesman for the coroner's office said Wednesday that Sandra Cantu's cause of death is pending and may not be determined for up to eight weeks.

Spokesman Les Garcia said toxicology and tissue samples are being sent to a pathologist for analysis to help determine the official cause of death.

[oodi]

I just watched it also and yes he does seem very sincere. It is obvious that these people are finding it hard to grasp what has happened. I did think the reporters asked too many questions as you could tell he was having a hard time thinking of past dates and times which would be normal in that situation.

I just watched it too. I found it odd though, that he said he hadn't spoken to MH for months.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Sandra wasn't the first kid Melissa drugged.

Why was she drugging little girls? That will be the ugliest part of this mess. How many did not even know, just woke up kinda drowsy?

[Adalena935]

Melissa's Father is probably in shock. Everyone's different. He does seem like a very sincere man but he sounds to me like a man who doesn't know his daughter very well and hasen't had much contact with her. His wife is the one who communicated with her by phone. Melissa's probably been lying to them for a long time and hiding who she is.

Doesn’t know what to think

Lives in so cal, internal bleeding, some stomach pain, some emotional issues, difficulty coping with divorce. Her Mother did most of the communicating. Last saw his daughter in December. Melissa’s been living in Tracy w/grandparents for about 7 - 8 months. Last time he talked to her on the phone was a few months ago, he’s not sure. Her father is in air conditioning? I thought he was a preacher too. His understanding is that the day the bag was stolen is the day she reported it. Sounds like he’s getting his information from Melissa, because we know it was never reported missing to law enforcement. He hasen’t talked to her thru this whole thing. Probably melissa’s giving info to g-parents and her mother & he was getting his info secondhand. Melissa’s suffered from depression in the past. She went to high school in Brea, CA. He has 4 children, 2 other boys and a girl. His wife’s up north on vacation.

I think Melissa checked herself into the hospital to avoid law enforcement's questioning when Sandra vanished. And then lied to her family as she's probably done for who know's how long; maybe all her life. She just masqueraded to them a false front.

I think it's not unusual for people with evil thoughts to hide it.

[Facinated]

I don't know why, but I have a very bad and strong feeling that this whole thing goes deeper and darker than one can imagine.

My hinky meter tells me that MH's whole family is involved in some dark secrets and I don't know why, but it is the first thing I felt when I heard that Sandra was murdered by this person.

From what has been released in the news so far, it is very strange that MH's daughter was not allowed outside to play. It is strange that she was taken on a holiday with her GM after the story broke... was that to take her away from speaking to anyone herself????

MH's Grandparents give me a bad feeling as well, I can't pin point what it is, but I just get a bad feeling about them.

Because we will probably get no news until this goes to trial, I think when we finally find out what has been going on with that family we will all be totally blown away and shocked.

This is JMO, but I have a very bad feeling on this case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adalena935]

Sandra wasn't the first kid Melissa drugged.

Why was she drugging little girls? That will be the ugliest part of this mess. How many did not even know, just woke up kinda drowsy?

They probably wouldn't know. That Andrew Lester character that dog chapman caught in Mexico yrs back is an example. Even grown women didn't know they'd been drugged.

I think if LE knew of this they would've had it in their warrant. Maybe it'll come up later, who knows. It would be hard to prove unless they had video (as in andrew lester's case) or toxixology tests on victims.

Seems like LE would know if she'd been buying date rape drugs or such and they haven't said a word about it. That's not to say it didn't happen but she didn't live in a vacuum. She had to have bought them someplace. IF that's the case.

They're always saying depression, a call for help spurns some men to murder so why not women too? Just because it's unusual doesn't mean that's not her motive. We may never know.

[KKKKKKatie]

Do you know more details about her drugging other children? I saw it mentioned last night and asked, but didn't see a clarification.

Do you have a link or can you describe the story?

Thanks.

I may have missed something but the only story I know about is the one Melissa told the reporter herself. That she was accused of drugging a child that she took to the park :confused:

[Adalena935]

I don't know why, but I have a very bad and strong feeling that this whole thing goes deeper and darker than one can imagine.

My hinky meter tells me that MH's whole family is involved in some dark secrets and I don't know why, but it is the first thing I felt when I heard that Sandra was murdered by this person.

From what has been released in the news so far, it is very strange that MH's daughter was not allowed outside to play. It is strange that she was taken on a holiday with her GM after the story broke... was that to take her away from speaking to anyone herself????

MH's Grandparents give me a bad feeling as well, I can't pin point what it is, but I just get a bad feeling about them.

Because we will probably get no news until this goes to trial, I think when we finally find out what has been going on with that family we will all be totally blown away and shocked.

This is JMO, but I have a very bad feeling on this case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't look for any of her family members to be arrested for anything. Can't try people in court unless you charge them with something and they have to have evidence. So far that hasen't happened. I don't believe it will. I think it's cruel to suspect the aged family members who have lived their lives free of wrongdoing. Let her stand alone for what she's done. It's enough she's brought shame on her whole family by what she's done. No need to include the family in her bad acts.

She has a history of criminal behavior. Let her take personal responsibility, isn't that always what we hear harped about? Don't take that right away from her. Personal Responsibility.

That's exactly why people continue to behave badly. Because there's too many people willing to blame others for what THEY do.

[Adalena935]

I may have missed something but the only story I know about is the one Melissa told the reporter herself. That she was accused of drugging a child that she took to the park :confused:

yes and who knows perhaps it was a glimpse into truth. In Casey Anthony's case law enforcement said she laces truth in her tall tales; so that's how they pieced that puzzle together of that crime. I think the same is true here. I think this Melissa's been lying to her family a long time & leading them to believe she's something she's not; same as Casey.

[kitty1182]

I wonder if the church had a place inside to baptize people...I know dad had one behind the pulpit that was covered by a curtain till someone was to be baptized..
Just thinking if MH might have drowned her?

[lunchlady]

WOW, Lunchlady, that is some theory, ITA! MH got caught up in something she could not back out of. I wondered about her claim of hospitalization due to internal bleeding, could she have been assulted for messing up and bringing attention to the church?

Good Morning everyone, I started a thread same time as Moon, hopefully CW can delete mine.

Thanx StickyBeak.
I didn't think of that possibility, that she got assaulted for messing up, Mob Style feedback on poor job performance.
Also, worrying about screwing up and getting arrested would make my stomach upset too. No amount of Tums would neutralize all that extra acid, which would be burning a hole in my stomach.

[Facinated]

I don't look for any of her family members to be arrested for anything. Can't try people in court unless you charge them with something and they have to have evidence. So far that hasen't happened. I don't believe it will. I think it's cruel to suspect the aged family members who have lived their lives free of wrongdoing. Let her stand alone for what she's done. It's enough she's brought shame on her whole family by what she's done. No need to include the family in her bad acts.

She has a history of criminal behavior. Let her take personal responsibility, isn't that always what we hear harped about? Don't take that right away from her. Personal Responsibility.

That's exactly why people continue to behave badly. Because there's too many people willing to blame others for what THEY do.

I understand what you are saying, it is just a "feeling" I have, that this whole thing is darker than one can imagine... I think it involves abuse within the family circle and MH's actions are a result of her past. Again, this is just a feeling I get, I don't know why but I do.

Believe me, I hope what my gut is telling me is wrong!

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

yes and who knows perhaps it was a glimpse into truth. In Casey Anthony's case law enforcement said she laces truth in her tall tales; so that's how they pieced that puzzle together of that crime. I think the same is true here. I think this Melissa's been lying to her family a long time & leading them to believe she's something she's not; same as Casey.

Maybe Adalena....maybe not. We will just have to wait. Unfortunately or fortunately we will not be getting the kind of info as we do in the Casey case in this one.

[meadowlark]

I don't know why, but I have a very bad and strong feeling that this whole thing goes deeper and darker than one can imagine.

My hinky meter tells me that MH's whole family is involved in some dark secrets and I don't know why, but it is the first thing I felt when I heard that Sandra was murdered by this person.

From what has been released in the news so far, it is very strange that MH's daughter was not allowed outside to play. It is strange that she was taken on a holiday with her GM after the story broke... was that to take her away from speaking to anyone herself????

MH's Grandparents give me a bad feeling as well, I can't pin point what it is, but I just get a bad feeling about them.

Because we will probably get no news until this goes to trial, I think when we finally find out what has been going on with that family we will all be totally blown away and shocked.

This is JMO, but I have a very bad feeling on this case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I also believe there is something very deep and dark going on here, however, I am not sure it is with Melissa's familiy(although I am not ruling them out at all). It could very well be with the people Melissa was around during the time she was married and divorced. Somewhere along the way during this period I believe she got tangled up in something very sinister. My first guess is in the tracy area, or she got involved before this and the gravitated toward whatever was going on in the Tracy area. I think if we keep digging into who she was around we will figure out what she is involved with. Or at least where she gets her strange thinking

[Adalena935]

I just watched it too. I found it odd though, that he said he hadn't spoken to MH for months.

They had 4 kids, he worked to earn the living for the family. He said his wife takes care of keeping in touch with Melissa. Probably one of those deals where he got his info 2nd hand about the children being raised even when they were little. Maybe his wife was a stay at home Mom. He said she took care of the dates, etc. Anyway, not unusual. I think he *believed* he knew his daughter. But I think she hid herself from everyone so it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[Destini]

I may have missed something but the only story I know about is the one Melissa told the reporter herself. That she was accused of drugging a child that she took to the park :confused:

That's another strange thing .... why would she even tell that story to the media? For everyone to talk about how quiet she is, she sure was running her mouth right before the arrest. Doesn't make sense.

[KKKKKKatie]

They had 4 kids, he worked to earn the living for the family. He said his wife takes care of keeping in touch with Melissa. Probably one of those deals where he got his info 2nd hand about the children being raised even when they were little. Maybe his wife was a stay at home Mom. He said she took care of the dates, etc. Anyway, not unusual. I think he *believed* he knew his daughter. But I think she hid herself from everyone so it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

He also could have been exasperated with her over the trouble she had gotten into and just distanced himself from her. I can see that happening with a Dad IMO

[Adalena935]

Maybe Adalena....maybe not. We will just have to wait. Unfortunately or fortunately we will not be getting the kind of info as we do in the Casey case in this one.

I wonder how long it'll take for her trial to begin? Within this year I'd guess. No telling what's in the warrants or interrogations or any of LE's evidence against her. It's frustrating to not know motive but by the end of the trial I think we'll have a fair idea if nothing else.

[Facinated]

There is another Forum where a school friend of MH has been posting. She has stated that MH seemed like a normal person but a few comments made, kind of make you wonder.

In all the time she knew MH she could count on one hand the amount of times she went inside her home.

And she said at one time MH spoke of depression and not wanting to live.

Being a "Forum Poster" I know that could be anyone claiming to be a friend, so you have to take these things with a grain of salt.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

That's another strange thing .... why would she even tell that story to the media? For everyone to talk about how quiet she is, she sure was running her mouth right before the arrest. Doesn't make sense.

It sure doesn't Destini....unless she was trying to cover her tracks in case that accusation came out to the media???? IMO she is a whack job

[Adalena935]

He also could have been exasperated with her over the trouble she had gotten into and just distanced himself from her. I can see that happening with a Dad IMO

Yes that's possible. It's sure not a stretch.

[dinojen]

I don't look for any of her family members to be arrested for anything. Can't try people in court unless you charge them with something and they have to have evidence. So far that hasen't happened. I don't believe it will. I think it's cruel to suspect the aged family members who have lived their lives free of wrongdoing. Let her stand alone for what she's done. It's enough she's brought shame on her whole family by what she's done. No need to include the family in her bad acts.

She has a history of criminal behavior. Let her take personal responsibility, isn't that always what we hear harped about? Don't take that right away from her. Personal Responsibility.

That's exactly why people continue to behave badly. Because there's too many people willing to blame others for what THEY do.


I have to agree with you... there is no reason to demean people that aren't even involved in this tragedy. I know many people don't have sympathy for Melissa's family, but they had nothing to do with what she has done so why should they be put through the wringer with false accusations through speculation.

I think if the Grandfather would of been suspected of anything the Tracy LE would of said something.. obviously he was very upfront with them and they don't think either the grandfather or grandmother are involved.

It's quite possible Melissa and her father had a falling out and that's why they haven't spoken.. who knows.. it wouldn't be a first in many families. He's upset with the way her life is going.. she's not listening.. who knows..

I still don't think we are going to find out in the end there is some deep dark secret behind all this.. kiddie porn, drugs.. I think this woman just went nutso for whatever reason and killed Sandra.. JMHO.. In the end I think it will be just her and just her alone... no porn ring and drug deals.. just a woman that killed a child for whatever motive.. It's just mind boggling how a woman can kill a child.. that is just really hard for me to even think about.

Looks like her family was blindsided by this news... they all seem in total disbelief that she could do something like this..:confused: Wouldn't be the first time though that we have read situations like this though. They are in front of us all to often sadly to say.

[Adalena935]

Do you know where there's an actual professional media source where a reporter states he/she was told this?

Not a blog, an actual mainstream market media source?

Doesn't make sense to me, either. It sounds like some misunderstanding from a rumor.

Most of the case from beginning has been on these sources. Don't have time to read back, gotta leave. I'll post these in there regular links sticky soon as we get back to our regular forum. Hope this helps.

http://www.kcra.com/video/19122684/index.html

More News Video’s.

http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51552@kovr.dayport.com

Video Library

http://kron4.com/

Bay Area’s News Station

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

Video. Search for Sandra

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/


Streaming Video. Sandra Cantu case

http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx

http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html

http://cbs13.com/

http://www.kron4.com/News/WatchKRON4NewsLiveOnline/tabid/354/Default.aspx

KRON4 Live streaming

[KKKKKKatie]

Do you know where there's an actual professional media source where a reporter states he/she was told this?

Not a blog, an actual mainstream market media source?

Doesn't make sense to me, either. It sounds like some misunderstanding from a rumor.


Rachel...we heard her own words in a phone interview with a reporter. Melissa told the story

[Adalena935]

That's another strange thing .... why would she even tell that story to the media? For everyone to talk about how quiet she is, she sure was running her mouth right before the arrest. Doesn't make sense.

Maybe she was trying to throw police off her track so she wouldn't land in the slammer for kidnapping/murder rap. JAT

former coworkers, neighbors, mobile home park asst. manager all saying she didn't say much. came to work, did her job, few words. didn't come outside, didn't talk to neighbors. those are quotes in some of the interviews press did with those people around her.

could be police knew a lot more than they were saying & were onto her & she was trying to come with anything & everything to make them think some other mysterious person did this. Sounds very muchhausen by proxy to me & we know that's real. JAT

[Adalena935]

Gotta run, be back when I can get back.

[lunchlady]

Maybe someone already posted this info and Myspace page?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=54234635&blogId=482546277

[KKKKKKatie]

Maybe someone already posted this info and Myspace page?
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=54234635&blogId=482546277

I don't think this is the right girl....Melissa didn't go to West High....she went to Brea High per her Dad

[aproudmom]

Since Melissa had only lived with her elderly grandparents for 7 months I don't think there is any connection to her grandfather's church except she knew no one would be there at that time of day so she took Sandra where she knew they would be alone.

My heart breaks for Melissa's family. She has left many victims in her wake of destruction. All of the many years of good will done by those who tried to lead a good life has now been tainted by their family member being a murderer of a little girl.

I think she was a black sheep and she is so unlike any of her other family members. Her father seems to be a genuine, honest and kind man.

My heart is with Sandra's family and Melissa's family too. How can either family ever heal from what she has done?imo

I agree even though I do feel they are defending her without knowing just what LE has..they are Pastors "thou shall not kill" I guess the statement her father made about her not having a job being a single mom and a bad divorce..there is no excuse for killing a child..just because of the above he said she had a lot of pressure on her..let us now forget "thou shall not kill"
they are not even aware of what LE has on her or what she told them. I lay no blame on them at all just do not like some of their statements..and having a service in the church where it has not been released by LE but they have said they do know where she was killed..where have they searched the church and then let them video the inside of the creepy church imo..I for one had a very hard time seeing it just thinking this is the place she more than likely was murdered. They even said it could be they don't know but they still wanted to worship in the church..but that is just me..feeling for the victim and her family first..do they really want or care to see the inside of that church..I would not want to..ok I will hush not nit picking still in shock I guess and watching no emotion other than her aunt when she was saying she was a good mom...this child spent 7yrs in their life and I have yet to see a tear from them..the pastor and his wife..then to read Sandra's sister was ask to babysit that afternoon made me sick and grandma was at home but she ask this child's sister to watch her daughter while she was killing her sister.. it is so sick I want to throw up...oh and they blamed LE for not looking into this note that she said she got cause they could have saved Sandra so far has LE said yes we got it she gave it to us the day after she went missing no and they do not know they said they know as much as we do..

I have them all in my thoughts and prayers..I may be reading to much I guess..I keep seeing that luggage and think why did that have to happen so of course Im human and want to blame everyone..but it is not me..so I have to say you all are right..they are hurting also..:crying:

have a wonderful day...to all of you

[Facinated]

I don't think this is the right girl....Melissa didn't go to West High....she went to Brea High per her Dad


It had been stated by an ex coworker that she attended West High, however, it has since been corrected by a few reporters that it was in fact Brea High.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks, Katie. Interesting. On the one hand, this woman is appearing like a complete nut, completely incompetent and a loose cannon, and also a criminal. On the other everyone who knows her seems in sincere shock, saying they really can't believe she would do anything like this.

Relatives usually seem to be a little surprised, this family seems genuinely shocked.


Here is the interview....it cuts off at the end when she is telling the story. But there was a report on the news of what else she had to say about the "drugging" but I can't find it....sorry

ETA to add link http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2688110/melissa_huckaby_interivew_sandra_cantu/

[titanfan217]

I'm not sure why I am not feeling sympathy for Melissa's family.

Her Dad Brian has not spoken to her in months, he says on the video interview. Her Mom Judy swooped up Madison and took her off (good thing) but said it was a planned vacation (I don't think so). Gramps says 'no need to fall apart'.

Excuse me?

It would be more natural to fall apart, and the service yesterday at the very place Melissa killed Sandra, well I feel a bit steamed over it. Just a feeling, that's all. Creeps me out.

What the heck else did Melissa do in that church??


I seldom talked with my dad on the phone. It was my mom that called. Nothing was wrong. That's just the way it was.

Maybe GF meant no need for the family to fall apart (split) but to be there for each other.

God is still in that church as well as any others.

[cutiepatootie61]

I don't look for any of her family members to be arrested for anything. Can't try people in court unless you charge them with something and they have to have evidence. So far that hasen't happened. I don't believe it will. I think it's cruel to suspect the aged family members who have lived their lives free of wrongdoing. Let her stand alone for what she's done. It's enough she's brought shame on her whole family by what she's done. No need to include the family in her bad acts.

She has a history of criminal behavior. Let her take personal responsibility, isn't that always what we hear harped about? Don't take that right away from her. Personal Responsibility.

That's exactly why people continue to behave badly. Because there's too many people willing to blame others for what THEY do.


Well said Adalena. I don't believe that MH's family is involved. I may be proven wrong later, but I just don't see it right now. I agree she needs to accept responsibility for this, and when it was stated thate she ultimately resigned during the questioning, I took it as she had owned up to her wrongdoing. I hope this is the case anyway. I will not blame her family for evil actions.

[kitty1182]

I seldom talked with my dad on the phone. It was my mom that called. Nothing was wrong. That's just the way it was.

Maybe GF meant no need for the family to fall apart (split) but to be there for each other.

God is still in that church as well as any others.

Same here...When I was out on my own, it was mom I talked to mostly..Just passed on to her to tell dad I loved him, but it was her I mostly talked too..

[cutiepatootie61]

They had 4 kids, he worked to earn the living for the family. He said his wife takes care of keeping in touch with Melissa. Probably one of those deals where he got his info 2nd hand about the children being raised even when they were little. Maybe his wife was a stay at home Mom. He said she took care of the dates, etc. Anyway, not unusual. I think he *believed* he knew his daughter. But I think she hid herself from everyone so it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

Again, I agree with your statement. Also, Brian Lawless stated that he did not see MH since December, nor spoke to her in months, but that they did exchange text messages. He was not estranged from her. moo

[lax3]

is it possible MH is involved with sacrificial killings? just a thought maybe she's some sick, twisted woman...just trying to understand her motive for this.

[kitty1182]

is it possible MH is involved with sacrificial killings? just a thought maybe she's some sick, twisted woman...just trying to understand her motive for this.

That's why I bought up if there is a place in the church to baptize...Maybe in her sick mind, she thought SC needed to be bapitzed and drowned her...mo

I was 12 when I was baptized, not 8..

[MoonHarvest]

I guess no one really knows why Melissa was hospitalized based on the article in the link below. Why wouldn't the grandma or grandpa (pastor & his wife) know why she was hospitalized?? I know under HIPAA the hospital won't tell them, but did she just up and go to the hospital and not say anything to family?

I suspect it WAS a suicide attempt. Everything we're hearing, she was very quiet. I'm just wondering how much her family really knows about her.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090413/A_NEWS/904130314/-1/A_NEWS02

Brian Lawless said he was concerned his daughter may have been hospitalized because she might have tried to hurt herself. He said he feared that because she was sometimes depressed, though he said she did not have a history of mental illness.

I did read on the comments section in the Tracy paper where someone wrote that she swallowed a razor blade. Did anyone else see that?

[cutiepatootie61]

I did read on the comments section in the Tracy paper where someone wrote that she swallowed a razor blade. Did anyone else see that?


My goodness, no had not read that nor heard it, that would certainly suppport an internal bleeding hopitalization wouldn't it?

[lune3]

I did read on the comments section in the Tracy paper where someone wrote that she swallowed a razor blade. Did anyone else see that?

Yes I saw that too and there was some discussion on that. I believe it was just rumour. I doubt Melissa would have been released from the ICU so early had that been true. It was later stated she had bleeding ulcers, history of stomach ulcers which sounds far more plausible.

[aproudmom]

omg where have I heard this before...take a guess..tot moms family an friends
According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

She expressed disbelief about news of her arrest and the allegations against her.

"That would shock me greatly, if it were true," Jones said. "That's not the Melissa I know.:scared:

"It doesn't fit in with her or the family at all," Jones said. "The family is basically Baptist, totally churchgoing folks."

Jones said she received a card from Huckaby last Christmas but last spoke to her several years ago.

[dinojen]

Read the razor blade remark also... I would think you would have more than problems with your stomach if you swallowed a razor blade.. but then again I've read some really far out stuff also about this case.. so.. who knows what to believe.

Think I will wait till her arraignment tomorrow and see what else we find out and also think I will use the TPD to get accurate information as they release it... to much speculation out there.

[lune3]

omg where have I heard this before...take a guess..tot moms family an friends
According to public records, Huckaby was convicted of felony property theft in Los Angeles County in November 2006.

She was born Melissa Chantel Lawless in 1981 in Orange County, according to public records.

Federal court records show that Melissa Chantel Lawless of Tracy filed for bankruptcy protection in 2003. She listed $5,200 in assets, including $3,000 in jewelry. Her debts totaled $26,300, which included thousands of dollars in medical bills and credit card expenses, according to the records.

Mary Jones of Livermore, Calif., who described herself as a longtime friend of the Lawless family, said she has known Huckaby since she was a little girl.

She expressed disbelief about news of her arrest and the allegations against her.

"That would shock me greatly, if it were true," Jones said. "That's not the Melissa I know.:scared:

"It doesn't fit in with her or the family at all," Jones said. "The family is basically Baptist, totally churchgoing folks."

Jones said she received a card from Huckaby last Christmas but last spoke to her several years ago.

For someone who was struggling financially, the $3000 in jewelry sounds a bit off doesn't it?

[KKKKKKatie]

For someone who was struggling financially, the $3000 in jewelry sounds a bit off doesn't it?


maybe it was her wedding ring?

[GentleBreeze]

I don't look for any of her family members to be arrested for anything. Can't try people in court unless you charge them with something and they have to have evidence. So far that hasn't happened. I don't believe it will. I think it's cruel to suspect the aged family members who have lived their lives free of wrongdoing. Let her stand alone for what she's done. It's enough she's brought shame on her whole family by what she's done. No need to include the family in her bad acts.

She has a history of criminal behavior. Let her take personal responsibility, isn't that always what we hear harped about? Don't take that right away from her. Personal Responsibility.

That's exactly why people continue to behave badly. Because there's too many people willing to blame others for what THEY do.

I must agree, Adalena. The grandparents were getting on up in age and both probably needed some help in their daily lives to make it better for them. All of their lives they must have lead a moral and upstanding life, if not, by now we all know the media would have exposed it if any of Melissa's family had records. Just like they had no qualms doing so about Sandra's father.

They opened their home to their granddaughter and great granddaughter and I am sure they helped her as much as she was suppose to help them, maybe even more.

I don't think anyone in her family is to blame for this. The blame should lay where it really is and that is squarely on the shoulders of Melissa Huckaby.

I guess it is normal to want to suspect there has to be something more sinister and titillating going on for this to happen but imo, it is sinister enough knowing one woman killed an innocent little 8 year old girl.

I don't think any part of this vast investigation remotely showed that there were any involvement of family members. They stated there will be no further arrest for the murder of Sandra Cantu. They firmly believe they have their culprit.

imo

[MoonHarvest]

" He said, though, that he was concerned that she had tried to hurt herself when she was hospitalized earlier this month."

Not sure what this means, a quote from Huckaby's father in today's Chron.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/12/MNVJ171DL5.DTL&tsp=1

[Brattnt]

I agree even though I do feel they are defending her without knowing just what LE has..they are Pastors "thou shall not kill" I guess the statement her father made about her not having a job being a single mom and a bad divorce..there is no excuse for killing a child..just because of the above he said she had a lot of pressure on her..let us now forget "thou shall not kill"
they are not even aware of what LE has on her or what she told them. I lay no blame on them at all just do not like some of their statements..and having a service in the church where it has not been released by LE but they have said they do know where she was killed..where have they searched the church and then let them video the inside of the creepy church imo..I for one had a very hard time seeing it just thinking this is the place she more than likely was murdered. They even said it could be they don't know but they still wanted to worship in the church..but that is just me..feeling for the victim and her family first..do they really want or care to see the inside of that church..I would not want to..ok I will hush not nit picking still in shock I guess and watching no emotion other than her aunt when she was saying she was a good mom...this child spent 7yrs in their life and I have yet to see a tear from them..the pastor and his wife..then to read Sandra's sister was ask to babysit that afternoon made me sick and grandma was at home but she ask this child's sister to watch her daughter while she was killing her sister.. it is so sick I want to throw up...oh and they blamed LE for not looking into this note that she said she got cause they could have saved Sandra so far has LE said yes we got it she gave it to us the day after she went missing no and they do not know they said they know as much as we do..

I have them all in my thoughts and prayers..I may be reading to much I guess..I keep seeing that luggage and think why did that have to happen so of course Im human and want to blame everyone..but it is not me..so I have to say you all are right..they are hurting also..:crying:

have a wonderful day...to all of you
Mine in red...I thought LE had released the church...

[oodi]

maybe it was her wedding ring?

That's what I thought. $3000 doesn't sound exorbitant. Could be wedding ring, could be gift(s), or items purchased over a period of time, or all of the above.

[dinojen]

maybe it was her wedding ring?

Was thinking the exact same thing.

[dinojen]

Mine in red...I thought LE had released the church...

LE did release the church.... they did that the end of last week.

[aproudmom]

this is the worst part for me and shows this women is a monster.:cursing:

Sandra had stopped at her house earlier and asked to play with her daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby said she didn’t want her daughter to play, because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house, she said.

The 18 seconds of surveillance footage that shows Sandra playfully skipping by her family’s home show her on her way back to Huckaby’s home after leaving that other friend’s house, Huckaby said.

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

[kitty1182]

Mine in red...I thought LE had released the church...

Yes, it was released....

[Brattnt]

LE did release the church.... they did that the end of last week.

Thanks Jen!...:seeya:

[Brattnt]

this is the worst part for me and shows this women is a monster.:cursing:

Sandra had stopped at her house earlier and asked to play with her daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby said she didn’t want her daughter to play, because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house, she said.

The 18 seconds of surveillance footage that shows Sandra playfully skipping by her family’s home show her on her way back to Huckaby’s home after leaving that other friend’s house, Huckaby said.

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

Do you have a link?...TIA!....:smile:

[dinojen]

I must agree, Adalena. The grandparents were getting on up in age and both probably needed some help in their daily lives to make it better for them. All of their lives they must have lead a moral and upstanding life, if not, by now we all know the media would have exposed it if any of Melissa's family had records. Just like they had no qualms doing so about Sandra's father.

They opened their home to their granddaughter and great granddaughter and I am sure they helped her as much as she was suppose to help them, maybe even more.

I don't think anyone in her family is to blame for this. The blame should lay where it really is and that is squarely on the shoulders of Melissa Huckaby.

I guess it is normal to want to suspect there has to be something more sinister and titillating going on for this to happen but imo, it is sinister enough knowing one woman killed an innocent little 8 year old girl.

I don't think any part of this vast investigation remotely showed that there were any involvement of family members. They stated there will be no further arrest for the murder of Sandra Cantu. They firmly believe they have their culprit.

imo

Great post...

[Ice Cycle]

I wonder if this case would have ever been solved, had she just laid low and kept her mouth shut?

It was Melissa herself who reported that her suitcase was stolen, and then made up that weird note about Sandra, suitcase, water whatever that said, and then she confessed.

Had she just kept quiet the whole time, it seems unlikely the truth would have ever come out.

Well that is what I had though why even tell it to anyone let alone the media. But I have a feeling that it was mentioned to the Williams guy that the suitcase was stolen and since he had started saying that to the media but not naming her, she was possibly afraid it would eventually come back to her anyway. I wondered why even say a suitcase was gone (stolen) and I guess she was afraid as her grandparents knew what kind she had and if it was missing.

[Brattnt]

Yes, it was released....

Thanks sissy!...:wub:

I thought of Sandra all day yesterday while the kids had their Easter egg hunt, and all the little girls in pretty dresses...Thats what Sandra should have been doing yesterday...:crying:

JMO

[Ninja108]

IMO, the only reason some people think there's a deeper darker secret lurking here is because the killer is a woman. I'm fairly sure everyone here thought what I did, that Sandra was kidnapped by a man who wanted to sexually abuse her. The shock of it being a woman has also led to a larger scrunity of the killer's family than usual. If it this was a man, there wouldn't be as much. Women don't commit as much violent crime and when they do, a lot of time it's in concert with a man. To have a woman kidnap and kill a child by herself goes againest the norms of most crimes, but also the image society has of women being the fairer sex, the gentler sex, mothers and always loving etc. This crime also goes againest that as well.
And, because of that, that's why her family is going under the microscope even more harshly than most. I don't think there are any darker secrets or a cult within this family , and like my whole post has pretty much stated, there wouldn't be suggestions of it if Sinclair had been charged with this crime.
My theory is Sandra came over to play but instead saw something she shouldn't have. Something that would have not only revoked Melissa's probation but also would have brought her more prison time. End result, this monster killed her. Nothing less, and nothing more.
I pray not only for Sandra's family but also Melissa's family, escpially her five year old daughter, who must be struggling not only to understand one of her good friends has been murdered, but that her mommy will never be coming home again because of that murder.

[lune3]

this is the worst part for me and shows this women is a monster.:cursing:

Sandra had stopped at her house earlier and asked to play with her daughter, Huckaby said. But Huckaby said she didn’t want her daughter to play, because she had to pick up her toys. So Sandra left for another friend’s house, she said.

The 18 seconds of surveillance footage that shows Sandra playfully skipping by her family’s home show her on her way back to Huckaby’s home after leaving that other friend’s house, Huckaby said.

After Sandra left, her oldest sister, Miranda, went to Huckaby’s house, too. Huckaby asked Miranda if she could watch her daughter for her while she went down the street to the church. Connie Lawless was home, too.

I didn't know that Connie Lawless was home that afternoon. Could it be that Melissa asked Sandra to meet her at the church with the ruse that they would put up the classroom decorations together?
Holding Sandra against her will in the church would still be regarded as kidnapping wouldn't it?
Just seems that if Connie was home, she'd know Sandra would have entered the home. She wouldn't be withholding that from LE would she?

[kitty1182]

Thanks sissy!...:wub:

I thought of Sandra all day yesterday while the kids had their Easter egg hunt, and all the little girls in pretty dresses...Thats what Sandra should have been doing yesterday...:crying:

JMO

I thought about her too as we sit down to eat yesterday...
My prayers are for both of these families....Two families destroyed because of a senseless act.....:sad:

[aproudmom]

Police said they found the spot where Huckaby allegedly killed the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who used to play with Huckaby’s own daughter, but they refused to disclose the location.
Huckaby on Friday afternoon spoke for more than 40 minutes to the Tracy Press about how she believed someone took her black rolling Eddie Bauer suitcase from her driveway the same day and in the same hour Sandra was last seen alive.

She flatly denied she had a criminal record, despite court papers showing she was due in court for sentencing after pleading no contest to a felony burglary/robbery and a misdemeanor petty theft. She also denied having graduated from West High School in 1998, despite school district records that say she did.

Court papers also show that two psychiatrists had to interview Huckaby to see if she was fit to stand trial on charges that she stole from Target last November. They deemed her fit for trial. She spent some time in 2006 behind bars in Los Angeles County for property theft, court papers show, yet she denied that, too.

[titanfan217]

I wonder if this case would have ever been solved, had she just laid low and kept her mouth shut?

It was Melissa herself who reported that her suitcase was stolen, and then made up that weird note about Sandra, suitcase, water whatever that said, and then she confessed.

Had she just kept quiet the whole time, it seems unlikely the truth would have ever come out.


It might have taken longer, but I think LE would have solved it. They were close and determined.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree even though I do feel they are defending her without knowing just what LE has..they are Pastors "thou shall not kill" I guess the statement her father made about her not having a job being a single mom and a bad divorce..there is no excuse for killing a child..just because of the above he said she had a lot of pressure on her..let us now forget "thou shall not kill"
they are not even aware of what LE has on her or what she told them. I lay no blame on them at all just do not like some of their statements..and having a service in the church where it has not been released by LE but they have said they do know where she was killed..where have they searched the church and then let them video the inside of the creepy church imo..I for one had a very hard time seeing it just thinking this is the place she more than likely was murdered. They even said it could be they don't know but they still wanted to worship in the church..but that is just me..feeling for the victim and her family first..do they really want or care to see the inside of that church..I would not want to..ok I will hush not nit picking still in shock I guess and watching no emotion other than her aunt when she was saying she was a good mom...this child spent 7yrs in their life and I have yet to see a tear from them..the pastor and his wife..then to read Sandra's sister was ask to babysit that afternoon made me sick and grandma was at home but she ask this child's sister to watch her daughter while she was killing her sister.. it is so sick I want to throw up...oh and they blamed LE for not looking into this note that she said she got cause they could have saved Sandra so far has LE said yes we got it she gave it to us the day after she went missing no and they do not know they said they know as much as we do..

I have them all in my thoughts and prayers..I may be reading to much I guess..I keep seeing that luggage and think why did that have to happen so of course Im human and want to blame everyone..but it is not me..so I have to say you all are right..they are hurting also..:crying:

have a wonderful day...to all of you

I can understand your mixed emotions but I am not so sure they are defending her but just reeling from the gravity of it all. To them it is unreal that she has been charged with doing this. I do think if they see the evidence that she did this they will accept it. Will they still love her and wonder the rest of their lives what in the world went wrong? Imo, yes it will haunt them the rest of their days.

I think they opened the church up to the media because of all the vicious rumors that untoward things were happening there. I think they wanted people to know they have nothing to hide and this church is just like all churches that spreads the word of God.

I don't hold it against them for having the PC in front of the church. It was far better than to run from the media that I am sure has been hounding them wherever they went.

They had to have permission from LE to return to the church. Since LE did not show up and close the church back up, I think they are through with their search of the church.

He did say Melissa's last job was in Southern California at a medical facility or office.

I really think since Melissa is known to have consistencies in her statements that until LE can sort out what was truth and what are lies, we really don't even know if Sandra's sister even stayed if she was asked.

Personally I don't think after the first time that Sandra ever went back into the Lawless residence. I think Melissa coaxed her into riding to the church in her Kia and she never went inside when she went back.

imo

[lune3]

The more recent articles I've read state Melissa reported the suitcase missing, to the police, the day Sandra went missing.

It's like that horrible "tell tale heart" by Poe. She was overcome by the need to tell. Unable to sit still and lay low.

I thought Melissa didn't report it stolen. I read that she said wanted to report it online but "didn't get around to it".

[Ice Cycle]

Since Melissa had only lived with her elderly grandparents for 7 months I don't think there is any connection to her grandfather's church except she knew no one would be there at that time of day so she took Sandra where she knew they would be alone.

My heart breaks for Melissa's family. She has left many victims in her wake of destruction. All of the many years of good will done by those who tried to lead a good life has now been tainted by their family member being a murderer of a little girl.

I think she was a black sheep and she is so unlike any of her other family members. Her father seems to be a genuine, honest and kind man.
My heart is with Sandra's family and Melissa's family too. How can either family ever heal from what she has done?

imo

Well from what I understand she was the Sunday School teacher there so that would give her some connection. I would think that she would of also had a key but given that the Williams guy had to open it for the grandfather maybe not.
What I find odd is Sandra's grandfather saying they were going to go to the church and movies but could not afford to go to the movies. Why would they be wanting to go to a church on a Friday night anyway? I mean I know a lot of churches have activities for children but would that be on a regular basis and why would he not of wondered that? So was some event planned there for that night?

[Ice Cycle]

The more recent articles I've read state Melissa reported the suitcase missing, to the police, the day Sandra went missing.

It's like that horrible "tell tale heart" by Poe. She was overcome by the need to tell. Unable to sit still and lay low.

Yes I know I read that but she said she could not get through to report it so she was going to go online and do it but did not have internet access. Plus at the pc the detective said when asked that as far as he knew she had not reported it.

[GentleBreeze]

Police said they found the spot where Huckaby allegedly killed the Jacobson Elementary School second-grader who used to play with Huckaby’s own daughter, but they refused to disclose the location.
Huckaby on Friday afternoon spoke for more than 40 minutes to the Tracy Press about how she believed someone took her black rolling Eddie Bauer suitcase from her driveway the same day and in the same hour Sandra was last seen alive.

She flatly denied she had a criminal record, despite court papers showing she was due in court for sentencing after pleading no contest to a felony burglary/robbery and a misdemeanor petty theft. She also denied having graduated from West High School in 1998, despite school district records that say she did.

Court papers also show that two psychiatrists had to interview Huckaby to see if she was fit to stand trial on charges that she stole from Target last November. They deemed her fit for trial. She spent some time in 2006 behind bars in Los Angeles County for property theft, court papers show, yet she denied that, too.

If they found the SPOT where she was murdered she darn sure wasn't killed accidentally imo.

imo

[lune3]

If they found the SPOT where she was murdered she darn sure wasn't killed accidentally imo.

imo

I keep thinking back to that cot that was taken out of the church. That was removed during the second search wasn't it, when LE went back to the church? Wasn't the second search done after Melissa was questioned and arrested?
Could there have been trace evidence of a suffocation, or a struggle on the cot?

[lune3]

I'm now wondering....what if Sandra was drugged. But instead of not being drugged enough, she "woke up" during whatever nefarious doings, and Melissa killed her as she realized Sandra would remember. (going back to the theory that Melissa was taking pictures of her to sell)

[Facinated]

It is my gut that is telling me there is a "deeper, darker" reason this has happened, it is not what I have read or the actions of the family. It is also not because this was a Woman that did this!

I really don't know why I have this strong feeling, I just do, and I hope I am wrong!

JMO

[Tokyo Rose]

I'm beginning to believe the two girls were playing together and got in a fight. Melissa, who has some mental problems anyway, just snapped and killed Sandra.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Well from what I understand she was the Sunday School teacher there so that would give her some connection. I would think that she would of also had a key but given that the Williams guy had to open it for the grandfather maybe not.
What I find odd is Sandra's grandfather saying they were going to go to the church and movies but could not afford to go to the movies. Why would they be wanting to go to a church on a Friday night anyway? I mean I know a lot of churches have activities for children but would that be on a regular basis and why would he not of wondered that? So was some event planned there for that night?

Maybe the grandfather did have a key and kept it hanging up on a peg in his kitchen or something. Maybe when grandpa looked for his key it was missing and he thought he had misplaced it and maybe Melissa had it all along, so that is why the caretaker of the church had to let him in?

Maybe Melissa had mentioned she needed help in sprucing up the church and the girls showed an interest in helping her. I think the movie was a separate thing they wanted to do and they didn't have enough money and Sandra's grandfather had already left for work and couldn't give them any.

Maybe all this was carefully planned the day before if she mentioned going to the church?

By telling Sandra the first time that she couldn't play with her daughter that day, the grandparents would actually become unwitting alibis by saying that when Sandra left she never came back.

I think Melissa was out beside her car like she was getting ready to leave and she knew Sandra would be going home and she waited until she saw her skipping home and beckoned her to come over and that is when Sandra got in the Kia with her. Imo, Sandra did not go back into the Lawless home after the first time.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I'm beginning to believe the two girls were playing together and got in a fight. Melissa, who has some mental problems anyway, just snapped and killed Sandra.

jmo

I am leaning this way also Rose

[MoonHarvest]

I'm now wondering....what if Sandra was drugged. But instead of not being drugged enough, she "woke up" during whatever nefarious doings, and Melissa killed her as she realized Sandra would remember. (going back to the theory that Melissa was taking pictures of her to sell)

I don't feel that Sandra was abused sexually. She was found in her clothes that she had been wearing when she vanished. I just don't think a killer would bother to put her clothing back on her.

[Brattnt]

How close would they have been, had Melissa not called them the day Sandra went missing to state that her Eddie Bauer suitcase was stolen that day? Then, the Eddie Bauer suitcase shows up in the pond with little Sandra inside.

At that point, with that tie-in, they went to the minister's trailer and the church.

Until the point where the suitcase was located with Sandra, they were focusing on pedophiles and other local men. Although they knew for sure Sandra had been to her house that day, the Lawless household - and certainly not Melissa - were not a focus.

Had Melissa herself not filed a police report linking herself to the Eddie Bauer case, I don't think this would have been solved.

Melissa, and LE have both said there was no police report filed...The first we heard of the suitcase was from Fred Williams...Please someone correct me if I'm wrong....

[playnice]

It is my gut that is telling me there is a "deeper, darker" reason this has happened, it is not what I have read or the actions of the family. It is also not because this was a Woman that did this!

I really don't know why I have this strong feeling, I just do, and I hope I am wrong!

JMO

I dont think she is wired up right. I think its a bizarre reason too. I think she has a dark side she has kept hidden . Why else would FBI want to case study her? I wonder why it was necessary to have her evaluated to see if she was capable of standing trial in the theft & burglary charges?

[GentleBreeze]

How close would they have been, had Melissa not called them the day Sandra went missing to state that her Eddie Bauer suitcase was stolen that day? Then, the Eddie Bauer suitcase shows up in the pond with little Sandra inside.

At that point, with that tie-in, they went to the minister's trailer and the church.

Until the point where the suitcase was located with Sandra, they were focusing on pedophiles and other local men. Although they knew for sure Sandra had been to her house that day, the Lawless household - and certainly not Melissa - were not a focus.

Had Melissa herself not filed a police report linking herself to the Eddie Bauer case, I don't think this would have been solved.

I do, they were already monitoring this woman. It wouldn't take long for them to narrow it down to her imo.

imo

[Adalena935]

People don't take depression serious enough and 4 hours is too long to lapse before checking on your kid.

It's the same thing they so often say about men who go on rampages and slaughter their whole family. depression in trouble with the law and failed relationships and failed work history. Like the perfect storm. They keep saying to be alert for the warning signs but within a nuclear family unit it's forest for the trees. they don't see how serious it is and the depressed person bottles it up anyway. recipe for disaster.

[Ice Cycle]

Melissa, and LE have both said there was no police report filed...The first we heard of the suitcase was from Fred Williams...Please someone correct me if I'm wrong....

That is correct and what I read and heard her say in the interview to the reporter.

[titanfan217]

How close would they have been, had Melissa not called them the day Sandra went missing to state that her Eddie Bauer suitcase was stolen that day? Then, the Eddie Bauer suitcase shows up in the pond with little Sandra inside.

At that point, with that tie-in, they went to the minister's trailer and the church.

Until the point where the suitcase was located with Sandra, they were focusing on pedophiles and other local men. Although they knew for sure Sandra had been to her house that day, the Lawless household - and certainly not Melissa - were not a focus.

Had Melissa herself not filed a police report linking herself to the Eddie Bauer case, I don't think this would have been solved.


MH apparently did not file an official report of the luggage -- heard 2versions either that she just didn't get around to it or that she didn't have internet access. However, I believe either she said or I heard otherwise that when she initially talked to LE she did mention that she was missing a piece of luggage. It's hard to figure out timing but I'm guessing that was before Sandra was found and there was a significant tie to a piece of luggage. It didn't take LE long to head to MH's grandparents when that connection was made.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't think she is wired up right. I think its a bizarre reason too. I think she has a dark side she has kept hidden . Why else would FBI want to case study her? I wonder why it was necessary to have her evaluated to see if she was capable of standing trial in the theft & burglary charges?

ITA!

The motive is the dark side that she has kept hidden.

I also agree, if motive is ever known it will be bizarre.

imo

[angellaw]

I'm beginning to believe the two girls were playing together and got in a fight. Melissa, who has some mental problems anyway, just snapped and killed Sandra.

jmo



I don't know...what if Melissa is covering up for a so called "boyfriend"..maybe the want to be gardner guy did something and Melissa help clean up the mess....I think that luggage with a dead body could not have been very easy to move my herself, lift it into a car, out again and throw it in a pond...takes some muscle power. IMO

[For Gabriel]

I'm beginning to believe the two girls were playing together and got in a fight. Melissa, who has some mental problems anyway, just snapped and killed Sandra.

jmo

Interesting take, TR. How would she have gotten Sandra outside or to the church if the little girls were fussing? Would she have told her daughter(Melissa's) that she was taking Sandra home, since they could not get along and them kill her? Trying to wrap my mind around that one.

[dgfred]

Something pointed to the pastor's home and the church. What could that have been unless the luggage was mentioned early on. Didn't they look at the pastor's home like 2 or 3 times? Cause of death should be a very telling story.

[Tokyo Rose]

I think LE was looking at family and friends as suspects first as that is what they do. I don't think LE ever believed this was a stranger abduction. Melissa bringing up a suitcase being stolen and Sandra found in one tied her immediately to the crime.

jmo

[For Gabriel]

I think LE was looking at family and friends as suspects first as that is what they do. I don't think LE ever believed this was a stranger abduction. Melissa bringing up a suitcase being stolen and Sandra found in one tied her immediately to the crime.

jmo

Melissa doesn't seem all that bright. By Melissa bringing up the siutcase, helped seal her fate.

[GentleBreeze]

I don't know...what if Melissa is covering up for a so called "boyfriend"..maybe the want to be gardner guy did something and Melissa help clean up the mess....I think that luggage with a dead body could not have been very easy to move my herself, lift it into a car, out again and throw it in a pond...takes some muscle power. IMO

This luggage had pull rollers and Sandra weighed only 45 pounds.

I can pick up 50 pound bags of soil or fertilizer easily even at my age when I am working my garden.

We have seen and read about women who have killed and then removed the bodies of large males and buried or took them elsewhere to toss them. A small child wouldn't take that much effort imo.

imo

[lune3]

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that Connie Lawless was home that afternoon. If that's so, then it's more likely the murder took place in the church.
I think, as someone mentioned, that Sandra came upon Melissa in the driveway, that the suitcase may have indeed been filled with supplies and decorations (always a bit of truth in statements), and that Melissa took Sandra to the church with her.
If Connie Lawless was indeed home, I believe she would not have hidden the fact Sandra came inside. I also think Madison stayed home. It would have been determined whether the two children interacted, through Connie.

[meadowlark]

IMO, the only reason some people think there's a deeper darker secret lurking here is because the killer is a woman. I'm fairly sure everyone here thought what I did, that Sandra was kidnapped by a man who wanted to sexually abuse her. The shock of it being a woman has also led to a larger scrunity of the killer's family than usual. If it this was a man, there wouldn't be as much. Women don't commit as much violent crime and when they do, a lot of time it's in concert with a man. To have a woman kidnap and kill a child by herself goes againest the norms of most crimes, but also the image society has of women being the fairer sex, the gentler sex, mothers and always loving etc. This crime also goes againest that as well.
And, because of that, that's why her family is going under the microscope even more harshly than most. I don't think there are any darker secrets or a cult within this family , and like my whole post has pretty much stated, there wouldn't be suggestions of it if Sinclair had been charged with this crime.
My theory is Sandra came over to play but instead saw something she shouldn't have. Something that would have not only revoked Melissa's probation but also would have brought her more prison time. End result, this monster killed her. Nothing less, and nothing more.
I pray not only for Sandra's family but also Melissa's family, escpially her five year old daughter, who must be struggling not only to understand one of her good friends has been murdered, but that her mommy will never be coming home again because of that murder.


you are probably correct for the most part in assuming most people who think there is something more deep and dark, are thinking so because they are having a hard time believing a woman could do this or do it by herself. However, I am not in this group. I have thought from the beginning there very possibly is a connection to something deep and dark involved in this case and I also thought there could be a woman involved and I also had thought they better keep after Melissa. It did not shock me at all to find out it was a woman or that it was Melissa.

All of this does not mean it involves anything to do with her family, it might very well involve someone else she knows or people who she got tangled up with while living in the Tracy area. Or she has read something or studied something somewhere that causes her to think like she does.

From the beginning I watched for signs surfacing in this case. The location of the searches told me there was some kind of communication going on with the killer and the police. The areas searched told me that. Now we find out about the NOTE, which is very telling in itself, the stlye of the note and the misspelling of suitcase. The suitcase in itself is probably a clue to what she was thinking. The location where the body was deposited is very telling. The location of the murder in combination with other clues is telling what is in her mind.

I have to see what else surfaces, but I am not supprised at all and I doubt I will be supprised if her motive ever does come out. In fact I will be very supprised if she just got mad and killed sandra or whatever. I will be very supprised is Melissa is not connected in some way to others who think just like she does. And it will not supprise me at all if this all stems from something that is going on in the Tracy area on a much larger scale and for a very long period of time.

Only time will tell as we learn more about this case.

[Ice Cycle]

I think LE was looking at family and friends as suspects first as that is what they do. I don't think LE ever believed this was a stranger abduction. Melissa bringing up a suitcase being stolen and Sandra found in one tied her immediately to the crime.

jmo

Yes at the last pc he was asked when they knew the suitcase was her's and he said not until she gave the interview to the media.
Maybe due to Williams stating he thought someone had one stolen that was going to a rubbish sale they were looking for who that was.
I wonder if Williams then new it was her's that was supposedly stolen but was covering for her.

[lune3]

I'd like to know if Melissa had a camera and if one was seized or found in the mud of that pond. I don't know if the pond bottom was investigated.
(just thinking aloud here)

[Former Juror]

This luggage had pull rollers and Sandra weighed only 45 pounds.

I can pick up 50 pound bags of soil or fertilizer easily even at my age when I am working my garden.

We have seen and read about women who have killed and then removed the bodies of large males and buried or took them elsewhere to toss them. A small child wouldn't take that much effort imo.

imo

I agree, but I cannot wrap my head around her weighing only 45 pounds at 8 years old. I have a brand-new 6-year old, and she weighs 40 pounds and is very, very petite. Sandra must have been very tiny.

Regardless, it would not have been hard for anyone, much less an adult woman, to handle her and the suitcase.

:rose:

[Tokyo Rose]

That makes complete sense, except if we're to believe what Sheneman said - that there was no obvious sign of trauma on her body - I can't imagine how you could snap and kill someone and leave no obvious sign of trauma.

I think obvious is the key word there. If she grabbed Sandra and put her hand over her mouth and nose suffocating her there may not be obvious signs. I think the ME may find signs of trauma.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Interesting take, TR. How would she have gotten Sandra outside or to the church if the little girls were fussing? Would she have told her daughter(Melissa's) that she was taking Sandra home, since they could not get along and them kill her? Trying to wrap my mind around that one.

That just doesn't make sense. First a 5 year old and an 8 year fighting and it ends in murder of one of the children. Too far fetched to me.

And it defies what has been said about Sandra and even Melissa's grandmother who had known Sandra since she was a baby. She said she was the sweetest little girl and was always so willing to help out even helping her clean her cupboards. And Sandra it seems was the only one that was allowed to come inside to play with Melissa's daughter.

Now I do believe since Melissa just moved in 7 months ago that she may have had some sick resentment for Sandra and felt her grandparents loved Sandra more than her own child. She may have resented that Sandra was the sweet child, the one that always behaved. Even Melissa's father mentioned that his granddaughter could be a handful but Melissa always showed patience with her around him.

imo

[For Gabriel]

This story reminds me of the one of the young girl that was killed in Vermont about 2 yrs ago, correct? How things can go on, underneath our noses, and it's pretty much hush-hush until someone is killed, etc. It seems the murder of small children is happening so much more, just heartbreaking.....

[For Gabriel]

That just doesn't make sense. First a 5 year old and an 8 year fighting and it ends in murder of one of the children. Too far fetched to me.

And it defies what has been said about Sandra and even Melissa's grandmother who had known Sandra since she was a baby. She said she was the sweetest little girl and was always so willing to help out even helping her clean her cupboards. And Sandra it seems was the only one that was allowed to come inside to play with Melissa's daughter.

Now I do believe since Melissa just moved in 7 months ago that she may have had some sick resentment for Sandra and felt her grandparents loved Sandra more than her own child. She may have resented that Sandra was the sweet child, the one that always behaved. Even Melissa's father mentioned that his granddaughter could be a handful but Melissa always showed patience with her around him.

imo

Interesting POV you have as well.

[angellaw]

I agree, but I cannot wrap my head around her weighing only 45 pounds at 8 years old. I have a brand-new 6-year old, and she weighs 40 pounds and is very, very petite. Sandra must have been very tiny.

Regardless, it would not have been hard for anyone, much less an adult woman, to handle her and the suitcase.

:rose:


I thought she looked a bit 'chuncky" on the video...a bit bigger than 45 pounds anyway

[oodi]

I think obvious is the key word there. If she grabbed Sandra and put her hand over her mouth and nose suffocating her there may not be obvious signs. I think the ME may find signs of trauma.

jmo

You also have to consider the decompostion that would have taken place in over a week. I would be surprised if there WERE any visible signs of trauma.

[KittyMom]

I've wondered if Melissa backed over Sandra in the driveway and freaked out. Put her in the car and instead of driving to the hospital, drove to the church, placed her on the cot and watched her die. :confused: This is one strange case.

[aproudmom]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html

Here is the link to where I got the info on the previous incident where another child was drugged according to MLH herself the video I am referring to is on the left side of the page,second one down where it says "watch video".

[Brattnt]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html

Here is the link to where I got the info on the previous incident where another child was drugged according to MLH herself the video I am referring to is on the left side of the page,second one down where it says "watch video".

Thanks muchly aproudmom!....:smile:

[Brattnt]

I've wondered if Melissa backed over Sandra in the driveway and freaked out. Put her in the car and instead of driving to the hospital, drove to the church, placed her on the cot and watched her die. :confused: This is one strange case.

I wondered about that to KM...

Nice to see ya!...:seeya:

[Former Juror]

I thought she looked a bit 'chuncky" on the video...a bit bigger than 45 pounds anyway

I have thought 45 was way off since the beginning, but video can add weight. So, maybe that's it. My feeling, though, is that the 45 lbs. was just a guess, and she actually weighed more than that.

[oodi]

I have thought 45 was way off since the beginning, but video can add weight. So, maybe that's it. My feeling, though, is that the 45 lbs. was just a guess, and she actually weighed more than that.


I thought the video of her seemed a bit distorted. The camera was focused on the stairs to the entrance of the mobilehome, rather than the street, so I assumed that was the reason for the distortion.

[Tia]

:(

I stayed away from the boards all weekend. I just heard the news this morning about Melissa Huckaby.

[Ice Cycle]

I've wondered if Melissa backed over Sandra in the driveway and freaked out. Put her in the car and instead of driving to the hospital, drove to the church, placed her on the cot and watched her die. :confused: This is one strange case.

This has been my thought since she was arrested, though not etched in stone.

[GentleBreeze]

I've wondered if Melissa backed over Sandra in the driveway and freaked out. Put her in the car and instead of driving to the hospital, drove to the church, placed her on the cot and watched her die. :confused: This is one strange case.

There would be evidence left behind in the driveway and under the under carriage of her vehicle if that had happened.

Sadly, I think she was purposefully taken to the church and murdered and it is reported that LE knows THE SPOT where she was murdered.

imo

[oodi]

There would be evidence left behind in the driveway and under the under carriage of her vehicle if that had happened.

Sadly, I think she was purposefully taken to the church and murdered and it is reported that LE knows THE SPOT where she was murdered.

imo

I agree. She had to be taken somewhere before she was killed, or there wouldn't be a kidnapping charge.

[GentleBreeze]

I agree. She had to be taken somewhere before she was killed, or there wouldn't be a kidnapping charge.

Right, that shows me LE has evidence that she was taken to the church and then she was murdered there.

For them to know the spot where she was murdered..... evidence had to be left behind.

imo

[5boxersmom]

I agree. She had to be taken somewhere before she was killed, or there wouldn't be a kidnapping charge.

I think there can also be a kidnapping charge if someone does not allow another to leave. Like holding them in a car or a house?

imo

[Ice Cycle]

There would be evidence left behind in the driveway and under the under carriage of her vehicle if that had happened.

Sadly, I think she was purposefully taken to the church and murdered and it is reported that LE knows THE SPOT where she was murdered.

imo
Well who is to say their was not evidence there or it could of happened in the street. She very well just could of took her and put her on the cot till she could put her in the suitcase and maybe she was hurt but died there. Of course not certain of this since their are so may unanswered questions.

[dgfred]

There would be evidence left behind in the driveway and under the under carriage of her vehicle if that had happened.

Sadly, I think she was purposefully taken to the church and murdered and it is reported that LE knows THE SPOT where she was murdered.

imo

I agree, an accident seems not to be a factor so far. LE should be pretty proud in that area... no leaks at all and they were honing in on the killer for a good while.

[aproudmom]

I have searched for this all day. why did he say this or does anyone think it was not true this is not the same story she gave about the luggage..seems very odd if he was never looked at before she was arrested..or maybe they did search his place and take his cars anyone know??I am thinking she is the member so she prob. told him this..but a rummage sale she never said that she said it had stuff to spruce up her class.

http://www.kcra.com/news/19121818/detail.html#

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

the blinds? still will never understand why they took in bamboo blinds

FBI agents went inside the mobile home park on Tuesday evening to search the home of Christian Sinclair. He was questioned earlier in the case.

Sinclair, 49, was arrested, cited and later released last week on suspicion of interfering and obstructing justice, a Tracy police spokesman said.

Bamboo blinds were pulled from one of the mobile homes in the park.

[KittyMom]

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/blogs/former_express_intern_helps_crack_tracy_murder_cas e/Content?oid=962452

April 13, 2009
An exclusive interview by Wadsworth with murder suspect Melissa Huckaby helped homicide investigators turn their attention to the Sunday school teacher. Wadsworth's interview, according to the Chron, exposed inconsistencies between what Huckaby told her and what she told police. Wadsworth's story prompted police to reinterview Huckaby, and then arrest for her murdering Cantu, who lived nearby.

After Wadsworth posted a story of her interview with Huckaby on the Tracy Press' website, TV reporters called Huckaby (who apparently is a pathological liar) and she then spoke of allegedly finding a note after Cantu disappeared, claiming it must have been from the killer. Later that night, police booked Cantu herself on murder charges.

[oodi]

I think there can also be a kidnapping charge if someone does not allow another to leave. Like holding them in a car or a house?

imo


True... but if it had happened at MH's mobilehome, LE wouldn't have gone back to search the church again. They would have been focusing on the mobilehome where she lived. JMO

[lune3]

The more I think about this, and given MH's history, I think it's possible that she was psychologically unhinged and some trigger in the church caused her to go completely nuts.

She was evaluated by mental health after a petty theft charge (very unusual and out of the norm), was in some sort of counseling (or supposed to have been), she had a history of depression, had ulcers, poor coping skills, disregard for the law (and authority), and so on..
I'm inclined to think she was perhaps withdrawing improperly from anti depressants, maybe stopped taking them, and was a disaster about to happen. Something snapped in the church while she and Sandra were putting up the decorations, something as simple as Sandra having broken something, or saying the wrong thing, or laughing at Melissa making a mistake. Melissa, already on the verge of losing it, lashed out and it got out of hand.

I'm willing to bet Melissa is stating she "doesn't know what happened" (no motive), and there's going to be a temporary insanity plea.

[5boxersmom]

True... but if it had happened at MH's mobilehome, LE wouldn't have gone back to search the church again. They would have been focusing on the mobilehome where she lived. JMO

ITA. I think it happen at the church also.


That is odd about the rummage sale and the suitcase. I could have swore I read or heard MH had things in the suitcase to decorate her classroom. So I guess there is different stories out there.

Also wonder whose home those blinds came from.

imo

[KittyMom]

I wonder if the interviews with MLH were taped by LE? It would be interesting to watch her facial expressions and body language as she answered questions. I'm getting the Casey Anthony feel from her.

[GentleBreeze]

True... but if it had happened at MH's mobilehome, LE wouldn't have gone back to search the church again. They would have been focusing on the mobilehome where she lived. JMO

I agree and this was before Melissa started running her mouth. Shortly after finding Sandra's body they swooped in on that church like they knew the key to the puzzle was right there.

I think they just have a lot more evidence than we think they may. Since they know the spot where she died in the church then I hope they can gather what evidence was there and make sure the ME knows that evidence as it may assist him in COD.

imoo

[juliekan]

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/blogs/former_express_intern_helps_crack_tracy_murder_cas e/Content?oid=962452

April 13, 2009

I saw FOX 40 interview her(the reporter) on April 11, and one of the things MH told the reporter was that she attended the first vigil for Sandra, and after the vigil found the "cantu, suitcase, water" note. Police had stated in a presser that MH had NOT attended the first vigil only the second.

[Leanne Weich]

They had 4 kids, he worked to earn the living for the family. He said his wife takes care of keeping in touch with Melissa. Probably one of those deals where he got his info 2nd hand about the children being raised even when they were little. Maybe his wife was a stay at home Mom. He said she took care of the dates, etc. Anyway, not unusual. I think he *believed* he knew his daughter. But I think she hid herself from everyone so it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway.

I don't find it odd that the father hadn't spoken to Melissa for a while. My DH loves our daughters to bits but doesn't speak to them very often on the phone. Granted, we live in different countries but he gets all the news from me as I speak to them every day but when he is at work. He sends them the odd email and phones them for birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas and Easter. Likewise, they phone him for his birthday and father's day or if they need to find out anything about me if they are worried about anything or if they want ideas of what to buy me for a present.

[juliekan]

ITA. I think it happen at the church also.


That is odd about the rummage sale and the suitcase. I could have swore I read or heard MH had things in the suitcase to decorate her classroom. So I guess there is different stories out there.


imo

I've also read articles that MH said she had scrapbooking material in the suitcase. Wondered how you decorate a room with that....

[meadowlark]

I have to wonder if Melissa was interested in True Crime or read any of the True Crime books, especially those on serial killers and how they communicate with the police

[blestw4]

I have thought 45 was way off since the beginning, but video can add weight. So, maybe that's it. My feeling, though, is that the 45 lbs. was just a guess, and she actually weighed more than that.

I was suprised when I heard she was 45lb and have to think that number is off. I have a 4 year old who is very lean and skinny and weighs 44lbs. My 8 year old is 72lbs. In the video Sandra does appear heavier than 45lbs, she reminds me more of my 8 year old in weight than my oops 5 year old. He just turned 5 this past weekend.


Has it been confirmed that MH was a drug users at present. I wonder if Sandra got into something that made her OD and MH tried covering it up. It would also be interesting to know where her own dd was at this time and if she is a witness to anything.

[juliekan]

THANKS TO APROUDMOM for finding this link.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html

watch second video down, on left, starting with "a woman who said she was interviewed..."

I've been looking for it on and off for 2 days! It addresses false statements made by MH to the reporter, the story about the other little girl being drugged, the scrapbooking material,etc.

[KittyMom]

I want to hear from the ex. I think he might have a been understanding of MLH than her parents/grandparents. He would know what dealing with her has been like these past few years. IMO, her family views her as the little girl they raised, not necessarily as the woman she has become.

[aproudmom]

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cantu-Suspect-Loved-Her-Children.html
Sorry if this has been posted already..I just watched it..Sandra's GP does not know if he can live in the park. it is at the end of the video.

2nd video down on the side

I was on this site earlier and it did not have a Christmas pic all of them have had her mug shot..maybe I am going blind.

oh I see it was updated 23 minutes ago..
Cantu's Suspected Killer "Loved Her Children"
23 minutes ago | 5 comments

[aproudmom]

The truth would have come out in the same time frame, give or take a few days. Fingerprints can be lifted off of items even if they've been submerged in water for a long time.

I heard they could also lift them even if in water and also hair and fibers she really messed up using a suitcase that will or should have prints. hair and so on in it..jmo

[dinojen]

Guess my husband was right... when I asked him how long before she could have visitors.. I thought it was odd she didn't want to see her family.. and he told me sometimes they have to be evaluated prior to allowing visitors..

"San Joaquin County Sheriff's Deputy Les Garcia said the mental health staff has not cleared Huckaby to have visitors at the jail and she is still in an observation cell. Huckaby has also turned down media requests for interviews, Garcia said."

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Cantu-Suspect-Loved-Her-Children.html

Also from KRON..

http://kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1018/reftab/36/t/Sandra-Cantu-s-Accused-Killer-Placed-on-Suicide-Watch/Default.aspx

[concerned]

I want to hear from the ex. I think he might have a been understanding of MLH than her parents/grandparents. He would know what dealing with her has been like these past few years. IMO, her family views her as the little girl they raised, not necessarily as the woman she has become.



I was just thinking the same....he could shed a lot of light I bet:sneaky:

[For Gabriel]

****** snipped ***********.


Has it been confirmed that MH was a drug users at present. I wonder if Sandra got into something that made her OD and MH tried covering it up. It would also be interesting to know where her own dd was at this time and if she is a witness to anything.[/QUOTE]


I hope not. I shudder to think her daughter may have witnessed any of this horrific mess!

[aproudmom]

I want to hear from the ex. I think he might have a been understanding of MLH than her parents/grandparents. He would know what dealing with her has been like these past few years. IMO, her family views her as the little girl they raised, not necessarily as the woman she has become.

kinda shocked we haven't yet since her family is now saying she had a very hard divorce he may pop out and talk guess we shall see..

[dinojen]

kinda shocked we haven't yet since her family is now saying she had a very hard divorce he may pop out and talk guess we shall see..

For some reason.. I get the feeling he's not in the picture.. :confused:

You would think he would be in contact with his daughter.. but it doesn't sound like there is a relationship there... just a feeling I have.

You would of thought the media would of found him by now... for as fast as they dig stuff up.

[Riverwalk!]

For some reason.. I get the feeling he's not in the picture.. :confused:

You would think he would be in contact with his daughter.. but it doesn't sound like there is a relationship there... just a feeling I have.

You would of thought the media would of found him by now... for as fast as they dig stuff up.

He lives in Kansas and remarried.

[Tokyo Rose]

You also have to consider the decompostion that would have taken place in over a week. I would be surprised if there WERE any visible signs of trauma.

That's true, I didn't think about it being over a week and in water also, right?

[doctor_J]

The more I think about this, and given MH's history, I think it's possible that she was psychologically unhinged and some trigger in the church caused her to go completely nuts.

She was evaluated by mental health after a petty theft charge (very unusual and out of the norm), was in some sort of counseling (or supposed to have been), she had a history of depression, had ulcers, poor coping skills, disregard for the law (and authority), and so on..
I'm inclined to think she was perhaps withdrawing improperly from anti depressants, maybe stopped taking them, and was a disaster about to happen. Something snapped in the church while she and Sandra were putting up the decorations, something as simple as Sandra having broken something, or saying the wrong thing, or laughing at Melissa making a mistake. Melissa, already on the verge of losing it, lashed out and it got out of hand.
I'm willing to bet Melissa is stating she "doesn't know what happened" (no motive), and there's going to be a temporary insanity plea.

Is there a source for the depression and ulcers and antidepressants???

Suddenly everyone is trying to come up with an excuse for this woman. The board starting turning pro-defence as soon as it turned out the killer was female and a mother. Anyone taking donations for her defense???

Nothing the police have told us, or in her charges indicate this was anything but a cold blooded Murder 1.

[KittyMom]

VERY interesting theory Kitty. But then wouldn't someone see blood in the driveway or this whole thing happen in the first place? That street is very small with the houses being close together. I also think that someone must have seen that suitcase sometime that day either, MLH putting it in SUV or saw her without it completely, which negates her statement that she left it in driveway. I bet the neighbors there watch what's going on and see things. LE even said the arrest was based in part of neighbor's statements. Who knows, maybe the suitcase was at the church the whole time.

I guess I was thinking that if the tire rolled over Sandra's torso, there may not have been any blood on the driveway. Could the kidnapping charge come from not taking an injured person to a hospital or calling for help? I guess we'll have to wait and see what LE releases. I do hope that Melissa comes clean with what happened. Sandra's family deserves that (as does Melissa's).

[For Gabriel]

Is there a source for the depression and ulcers and antidepressants???

Suddenly everyone is trying to come up with an excuse for this woman. The board starting turning pro-defence as soon as it turned out the killer was female and a mother. Anyone taking donations for her defense???

Nothing the police have told us, or in her charges indicate this was anything but a cold blooded Murder 1.

Mother/Woman here. I have 0 sympathy for her. I have a dd close to Sandra's age. Melissa needs and should be held accountable for her actions. She killed another human being, defenseless child! Monster, imo...

[lune3]

In this case, I think I believe Melissa's family saying this is "out of character", at least regarding being a "loving" mom etc. Family comes across as solid and genuinely shocked (though I could be wrong regarding denial)

All the more reason that I'm now leaning to this woman's mental state having had something to do with her "snapping" (at the church I believe) due to some trigger. History of depression, possible non supervision of antidepressant meds (did she regularly see a doc?), poor coping skills, ulcers etc. Regarding the ulcers, they must have been pretty bad to have started to bleed, feeling sick/pain the days before going into hospital combined with unstable psych state could have made her more volatile too.

If she has indeed confessed, she may have said "I don't know what happened", there won't be a motive. I bet it's going to be a temporary insanity plea.

[datagal]

I guess I was thinking that if the tire rolled over Sandra's torso, there may not have been any blood on the driveway. Could the kidnapping charge come from not taking an injured person to a hospital or calling for help? I guess we'll have to wait and see what LE releases. I do hope that Melissa comes clean with what happened. Sandra's family deserves that (as does Melissa's).


It just seems that LE doesn't see any outright trauma. They said they had not found the "murder weapon". To me that implies that they are not sure how she died. They are also waiting for tox reports. Another thing, they are charging her with "willful intent" to murders. So....if someone backs over someone with their vehicle it's most likely an accident.

[dinojen]

He lives in Kansas and remarried.

Hmmm I just did a people search on him and found this.. and look who is listed as his relative...

He's the fourth one listed...

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1


Might have to break down and request a report...

[Adalena935]

That's true, I didn't think about it being over a week and in water also, right?

It was a collection pond of urine & feces from the livestock. From what I read by googling, they treat the fluid with chemicals to breakdown the cow dung. Then they do use the liquid for irrigation.

When the suitcase was 1st found they called it an irrigation pond and the following day they started calling it a collection pond.

From the approx. 10 days they suspect she was in there I think there would've been more than the normal decomposition. I suspect that's why the monster dumped her in there too, so the cause of death would be more difficult to determine. From what I read of those treatment ponds, the chemicals turn the livestock waste to mush/liquid faster than would occur normally.

This was no accident.

[datagal]

Is there a source for the depression and ulcers and antidepressants???

Suddenly everyone is trying to come up with an excuse for this woman. The board starting turning pro-defence as soon as it turned out the killer was female and a mother. Anyone taking donations for her defense???

Nothing the police have told us, or in her charges indicate this was anything but a cold blooded Murder 1.


I don't see anyone here trying to defend her actions. All I see is people trying to make sense of a senseless murder.

[Riverwalk!]

Hmmm I just did a people search on him and found this.. and look who is listed as his relative...

He's the fourth one listed...

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1


Might have to break down and request a report...

What do you want to know about him? I don't think he's involved with Sandra's death.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't see anyone here trying to defend her actions. All I see is people trying to make sense of a senseless murder.

I agree data....no one I have read is trying to minimize anything IMO

[datagal]

Hmmm I just did a people search on him and found this.. and look who is listed as his relative...

He's the fourth one listed...

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1


Might have to break down and request a report...

What is his name? It only goes to the main page and does not show names.

[Adalena935]

Mother/Woman here. I have 0 sympathy for her. I have a dd close to Sandra's age. Melissa needs and should be held accountable for her actions. She killed another human being, defenseless child! Monster, imo...

Amen to that. From the video I think LE believes she lured the little girl down there for the purpose of murdering her. Then stuffed her body in a duffel bag and pitched it in a pond she knew contained cow poop being broken down with chemicals. I have no proof, but that's what I believe based on what's known so far. This was no accident. She is a diabolical monster.

[dinojen]

What do you want to know about him? I don't think he's involved with Sandra's death.

Did I say I thought he was involved in Sandra's death.. no.. I was wondering if he was involved in Melissa and his daughter's life. There has been no mention of him, he has as far as we know made any attempt to be with his daughter after her mother was jailed.. Just curious if he is active in his child's life.

I don't think anyone else is involved in Sandra's death.. for some sick reason Melissa did this and I think did it all on her own.. hopefully we will learn the motive or logic eventually.

[lune3]

Mother/Woman here. I have 0 sympathy for her. I have a dd close to Sandra's age. Melissa needs and should be held accountable for her actions. She killed another human being, defenseless child! Monster, imo...

I have no iota of sympathy for this woman either. I'm scared she's going to plead temporary insanity and try to explain this as due to "forces out of her control".

[Adalena935]

What is his name? It only goes to the main page and does not show names.

Yes that's what I want too. I was going to scroll back to try to find a possible name that was searched.

[Riverwalk!]

Did I say I thought he was involved in Sandra's death.. no.. I was wondering if he was involved in Melissa and his daughter's life. There has been no mention of him, he has as far as we know made any attempt to be with his daughter after her mother was jailed.. Just curious if he is active in his child's life.

I don't think anyone else is involved in Sandra's death.. for some sick reason Melissa did this and I think did it all on her own.. hopefully we will learn the motive or logic eventually.

Melissa was pursuing child support in Kansas. Everything you may want to know is in Shawnee County Kansas FREE.

[Tia]

Amen to that. From the video I think LE believes she lured the little girl down there for the purpose of murdering her. Then stuffed her body in a duffel bag and pitched it in a pond she knew contained cow poop being broken down with chemicals. I have no proof, but that's what I believe based on what's known so far. This was no accident. She is a diabolical monster.

She is no better than Casey Anthony, just another child murdering monster.

JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

O/T Spector verdict is in...hasn't been read yet tho

[dinojen]

What is his name? It only goes to the main page and does not show names.

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

His name is John Huckaby in Fontana, CA. His listed relative is Melissa Huckaby.

That link should take you right to the page.. if not just type in his name and CA as the state.

[dinojen]

Melissa was pursuing child support in Kansas. Everything you may want to know is in Shawnee County Kansas FREE.

Well that answers that question then... obviously he isn't active in his child's life if he isn't paying child support..

[lune3]

O/T Spector verdict is in...hasn't been read yet tho
OMG, thanks!

[datagal]

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

His name is John Huckaby in Fontana, CA. His listed relative is Melissa Huckaby.

That link should take you right to the page.. if not just type in his name and CA as the state.


Thanks you.

[Adalena935]

VERY interesting theory Kitty. But then wouldn't someone see blood in the driveway or this whole thing happen in the first place? That street is very small with the houses being close together. I also think that someone must have seen that suitcase sometime that day either, MLH putting it in SUV or saw her without it completely, which negates her statement that she left it in driveway. I bet the neighbors there watch what's going on and see things. LE even said the arrest was based in part of neighbor's statements. Who knows, maybe the suitcase was at the church the whole time.

The only source that the suitcase was ever in the driveway is Melissa and Melissa's a documented liar. I don't believe she left it in the driveway. I think she's a big fat liar about a lot of statements she's made. She said her grandmother called her & told her it was gone and I don't believe that ever happened either.

[doctor_J]

Amen to that. From the video I think LE believes she lured the little girl down there for the purpose of murdering her. Then stuffed her body in a duffel bag and pitched it in a pond she knew contained cow poop being broken down with chemicals. I have no proof, but that's what I believe based on what's known so far. This was no accident. She is a diabolical monster.

I so agree, Adalena. Making up "insanity" and "accident" scenarios makes no sense based on what we know the charges to be. And BTW, most reputable psychiatrists say there is no such thing as "snapping" in a non-psychotic person.

[Adalena935]

http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1

His name is John Huckaby in Fontana, CA. His listed relative is Melissa Huckaby.

That link should take you right to the page.. if not just type in his name and CA as the state.

That's said to be her ex-husband isn't it?

[dinojen]

That's said to be her ex-husband isn't it?

Yes.. they are divorced.

Someone posted something from So. CA. the other day and it showed divorce pending.. it was another people search thing or might be on that My Space page that had all that info on it... think the link was posted earlier today..

[Adalena935]

I so agree, Adalena. Making up "insanity" and "accident" scenarios makes no sense based on what we know the charges to be. And BTW, most reputatable psychiatrists say there is no such thing as "snapping" in a non-psychotic person.

I don't buy the snapping theory. That didn't happen as you say according to the charges. Besides you can see Sandra get distracted by someone coming from the direction of Melissa's house LE says. I believe she lured her there with malice aforethought to murder her & put her in that suitcase. She had to have the cow poop pond picked out ahead of time. She knew exactly what she was doing from start to finish I believe.

Before anyone can do an action, they have to think about it first.

[Amy]

VERY interesting theory Kitty. But then wouldn't someone see blood in the driveway or this whole thing happen in the first place? That street is very small with the houses being close together. I also think that someone must have seen that suitcase sometime that day either, MLH putting it in SUV or saw her without it completely, which negates her statement that she left it in driveway. I bet the neighbors there watch what's going on and see things. LE even said the arrest was based in part of neighbor's statements. Who knows, maybe the suitcase was at the church the whole time.

IIRC, it was reported that there was no trauma to the body, so I think that would count out being run over in the drive. Otherwise, a driveway accident would seem plausible.

[Adalena935]

Yes.. they are divorced.

Someone posted something from So. CA. the other day and it showed divorce pending.. it was another people search thing or might be on that My Space page that had all that info on it... think the link was posted earlier today..

Oh I believe she's divorced or in the process of because that's what her Father said from the interview yesterday. I watched the video of it this morning.

[KittyMom]

Well, apparently, my speculation and attempt at discussion has irked some posters. I'll not ask for forgiveness. I want to know what happened and why. I want to make sense of this mess. As for the implications that the same discussions wouldn't take place if this were a male, well, that is an baseless assumption. I would want to ask the same questions and know the same answers no matter which gender were being held responsible. I want to know the signs of someone who is evil at heart. Show me a history that gives a hint of the twisted mind/soul involved. Give me a background that proves that there was some sort of warning that people missed and that we can now learn from. What I don't want is to think that there are monsters among us that we can't identify at all. That scares me.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't buy the snapping theory. That didn't happen as you say according to the charges. Besides you can see Sandra get distracted by someone coming from the direction of Melissa's house LE says. I believe she lured her there with malice aforethought to murder her & put her in that suitcase. She had to have the cow poop pond picked out ahead of time. She knew exactly what she was doing from start to finish I believe.

Before anyone can do an action, they have to think about it first.

As we have learned in other cases...premeditation can be 30 seconds IMO

I have no idea what happened here.....waiting like the rest of you but it could have been in a "fit" of anger. The cats....Sandra said something to her daughter she didn't like??? Who knows....

[Adalena935]

IIRC, it was reported that there was no trauma to the body, so I think that would count out being run over in the drive. Otherwise, a driveway accident would seem plausible.

Yes they do X-rays at autopsy and LE said no visible signs of trauma to the body. An accident severe enough to cause death would show up at autopsy in some way I beleive. A tiny little girl like she was surely getting run over by a vehicle would break some bones and possibly quite a bit of trauma.

[dinojen]

Some info on Johnny Huckaby

http://www.kfsm.com/news/sns-ap-ks--girlinsuitcase-kansas,0,2073328.story

http://www.ksallink.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=8498&format=html


Wonder where he is now? All articles say lived in Topeka for several years...:confused:

Must be in hiding if he owes back child support...

[doctor_J]

http://www.support4hope.com/medications/antipsychotic/sulpiride.htm


Antipsychotic / antidepressant

Sulpiride is effective in the treatment of acute and chronic schizophrenia but does not appear to offer a significant advantage over other antipsychotic agents; it has also been investigated in Huntington's disease, duodenal ulcer, poor lactation, contraception, depression, and for the treatment of tardive dyskinesia. Further studies are needed to determine its ultimate role in these conditions.
Significant improvement in schizophrenic symptoms has been reported after 8 to 12 weeks of oral sulpiride therapy.
What does this have to do with MH??I came in late, what did I miss? Was she DX with schizophrenia? Was she DX with ulcers? Or just her lying words that she had "internal bleeding". Aren's families always shocked. they always say person they know is not capable of murder. Even Andrea Yates family said there was no reason to think she would should be alone with children. And we know there was all the evidence in the world that she should not have been left alone with the children.

[BevAnn]

Some info on Johnny Huckaby

http://www.kfsm.com/news/sns-ap-ks--girlinsuitcase-kansas,0,2073328.story

http://www.ksallink.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=8498&format=html


Wonder where he is now? All articles say lived in Topeka for several years...:confused:

Must be in hiding if he owes back child support...

HUH! well, I'll be darned! That KFSM link is my local tv station here in Arkansas. I'm kinda shocked they have something on him in our local news.

[Ice Cycle]

I guess I was thinking that if the tire rolled over Sandra's torso, there may not have been any blood on the driveway. Could the kidnapping charge come from not taking an injured person to a hospital or calling for help? I guess we'll have to wait and see what LE releases. I do hope that Melissa comes clean with what happened. Sandra's family deserves that (as does Melissa's).

What I have said, her injuries could of been internal. I guess the autopsy report will tell what's what. Surly that ask them to put a rush on it as with no known motive I would think they need that asap.

[Riverwalk!]

Some info on Johnny Huckaby

http://www.kfsm.com/news/sns-ap-ks--girlinsuitcase-kansas,0,2073328.story

http://www.ksallink.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=8498&format=html


Wonder where he is now? All articles say lived in Topeka for several years...:confused:

Must be in hiding if he owes back child support...

He and his wife have lots of $$ problems/bad debts. Kansas court system can't seem to find them from what I can tell.

JMO

[dinojen]

HUH! well, I'll be darned! That KFSM link is my local tv station here in Arkansas. I'm kinda shocked they have something on him in our local news.

LOL.. we learn something everyday huh...

I just have been thinking since the beginning of all this why nothing has been said about this guy, especially when they have a child together.. so I just assumed he wasn't in the picture.. and if he isn't paying child support that looks to be the case.

[lune3]

Well, apparently, my speculation and attempt at discussion has irked some posters. I'll not ask for forgiveness. I want to know what happened and why. I want to make sense of this mess. As for the implications that the same discussions wouldn't take place if this were a male, well, that is an baseless assumption. I would want to ask the same questions and know the same answers no matter which gender were being held responsible. I want to know the signs of someone who is evil at heart. Show me a history that gives a hint of the twisted mind/soul involved. Give me a background that proves that there was some sort of warning that people missed and that we can now learn from. What I don't want is to think that there are monsters among us that we can't identify at all. That scares me.

Well I feel the same way. We are all trying to make sense of this and looking at various angles. Plenty of people go through very difficult times or have psychological issues or come from horrible dysfunctional backgrounds... but they don't kill other human beings and innocent defenseless children.
This one did, that makes her unspeakably evil at heart.

[dinojen]

He and his wife have lots of $$ problems/bad debts. Kansas court system can't seem to find them from what I can tell.

JMO


Thanks for the info...

Just thought it was weird he was so silent.. now it makes sense.

When you said he was remarried I thought how can a women allow a man she married to skip on paying child support.. :confused:

But if they are in the shape you say they are.. he doesn't sound to be that responsible anyway... probably is a good thing Melissa's daughter isn't involved with him. JMOOC

Thank god she has lots of loving aunts, uncles and grandparents.

[Adalena935]

divorced years ago. father remarried. mlh fighting for child support.

I guess the state will continue to go after him to support his child. The way she lies I hope he demands a DNA test.

[playnice]

LOL.. we learn something everyday huh...

I just have been thinking since the beginning of all this why nothing has been said about this guy, especially when they have a child together.. so I just assumed he wasn't in the picture.. and if he isn't paying child support that looks to be the case.

Wonder if the new wife has any kids? Just a really far fetched thought. Wonder if she has a daughter that resembles Sandra? Dad not supporting his child but supporting someone elses.

I know it is a crazy thought but her reason had to be a crazy one to kill Sandra.

[datagal]

Well, apparently, my speculation and attempt at discussion has irked some posters. I'll not ask for forgiveness. I want to know what happened and why. I want to make sense of this mess. As for the implications that the same discussions wouldn't take place if this were a male, well, that is an baseless assumption. I would want to ask the same questions and know the same answers no matter which gender were being held responsible. I want to know the signs of someone who is evil at heart. Show me a history that gives a hint of the twisted mind/soul involved. Give me a background that proves that there was some sort of warning that people missed and that we can now learn from. What I don't want is to think that there are monsters among us that we can't identify at all. That scares me.


Hi

I am just wondering what posters you think are "irked". I hope you don't think me. I was just disagreeing with you.

[lune3]

Yes true but i still think someone would have seen something also i think she was lured into a car as evidenced on survlnce video.

I think so too. A pretext to go decorate the church classroom.
As for an accident on the driveway, if such a thing had happened M would have panicked, screamed maybe, run into the house, Connie Lawless was apparently home and would have been aware I think. Doesn't make sense to me that an accident outside or inside the home was involved.
Besides, LE booked her with malice aforethought. They must have had reason.

[oodi]

That's true, I didn't think about it being over a week and in water also, right?

Yes, and from what I understand, that pond was basically a sewage treatment plant for the dairy on the property.

[datagal]

Wonder if the new wife has any kids? Just a really far fetched thought. Wonder if she has a daughter that resembles Sandra? Dad not supporting his child but supporting someone elses.

I know it is a crazy thought but her reason had to be a crazy one to kill Sandra.


That is a crazy thought~ But hey you never know! I know sometimes, I will just not like a person I just met, because they remind me of someone I absolutely dislike.

[Adalena935]

I guess I was thinking that if the tire rolled over Sandra's torso, there may not have been any blood on the driveway. Could the kidnapping charge come from not taking an injured person to a hospital or calling for help? I guess we'll have to wait and see what LE releases. I do hope that Melissa comes clean with what happened. Sandra's family deserves that (as does Melissa's).

You are as entitled to an opinion/speculation as anyone else Kitty so please don't think I'm trying to argue, but I don't believe there was any accident. Just adding my opinion.

For one thing there's no evidence of an accident or the charges would reflect it. Whenever a child goes missing the FBI child abduction specialists are involved. They wouldn't have missed evidence of an accident, I don't believe.

[Adalena935]

I think Melissa killed a little kid - because she could.

[lunchlady]

I was thinking about the "running away" thing that Sandra said to one of her friends she visited before she disappeared.
Had Melissa told Sandra that they could go away somewhere fun that her parents wouldn't or couldn't take her, like Disneyland? Was the suitcase a prop to make Sandra think they really were going to go that afternoon? This setup would get Sandra in MH's vehicle quickly and quietly.

If this wasn't the first girl to be taken to the church cot for photos there might be other traces of hair and skin cells.

[aproudmom]

video.second one down on the left with 3 men standing in front of a shed. About 1 minute and 7 seconds into the video, the reporter says the note was found at Sandra's Home the night she went to the 2nd vigil she said she found the note..ok..wondered where she found this note at and I am still wondering why she was telling the media this stuff and LE had no idea about it. I am not so sure they were looking at her maybe someone in her family but until she started doing all these media phone calls and such..another thing she says officers were at the ICU when she had internal bleeding..I am not so sure it was because they thought she was in danger or to make sure she did not take off..imo she took something that night which so happens to be the same night they informed the family and media that it was Sandra in the luggage..her family says she has ulcers I also have horrible problems with ulcers but they have never had me watched by LE for it. I put 2 links up they always add new stuff now they are reporting sources have said she was killed in the church..have a lot of videos and stuff on them.:confused:

Huckaby was released Thursday from Sutter Tracy Community Hospital, where she spent several days in the intensive care unit for what she described as “internal bleeding.” Police were stationed at the hospital during her stay.:sneaky:
MLH-internal bleeding
FAMILY-ulcers
RUMORS- SORRY don't like rumors..lol.:wink:


http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/us_world/Man-Reported-at-Pond-Where-Tracy-Girl-Was-Found--.html

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Source-Sandra-Cantu-Murdered-In-Church=1&blockID=264993&feedID=2674



I just heard Phil S. jury has reached a verdict so gonna jump over there and see if they are going to have it ran live stream...

[5boxersmom]

On the video of Sandra, she is leaving the other neighbor's house right? So it she heading toward where MH lived? Because it does look like something caught her attention in that video. Trying to get a grasp of where the mobile homes are in the video.

tia

[Adalena935]

Where was this reported Amy? I think she was overdosed and the "murder weapon" LE claims they are still looking for will be found in the Tox report or in a syringe or bottle somewhere.

Sheneman said at one of the news conferences that there was no visible trauma to the body. Sorry for listing so many but you'll have to go thru the press conference videos. I don't remember which one it was. A reporter asked the detective what the cause of death was and that was his reply. I'm guessing LE thinks she was drugged also. They haven't said anything about what forensic analysts found on computers that were confiscated as evidence. They may have found something on there to indicate she was buying dangerous drugs for that purpose in mind.

<my bolding>

http://kron4.com/
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/
http://www.news10.net/news/liveonline/default.aspx
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra
http://www.kcra.com/video/9292412/index.html
http://cbs13.com/
http://cbs13.com/video/?id=51552@kovr.dayport.com

Video Library

[Adalena935]

On the video of Sandra, she is leaving the other neighbor's house right? So it she heading toward where MH lived? Because it does look like something caught her attention in that video. Trying to get a grasp of where the mobile homes are in the video.

tia

my bolding. Sheneman said yes.

[aproudmom]

I think Melissa killed a little kid - because she could.

you got it Adalena
Thank god she got caught

[n/t]

Just in....HLN

Prosecution is considering rape charges.

Sorry that's all I heard....hopefully a link will be up soon.



This was no accident. :(

[ginky41]

My apologies if this has been posted already:

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1028/reftab/36/Default.aspx?t=Prosecutor:-Rape-May-be-Alleged-in-Tracy-Girl-s-Slaying

TRACY, Calif. (AP) - Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Huckaby has been arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lacivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

Himmelblau wouldn't provide more details. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday.

Sandra's body was found in a suitcase in an irrigation pond last week.

[aproudmom]

omg rape charges???

[IlliniFan]

My apologies if this has been posted already:

http://kron4.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1028/reftab/36/Default.aspx?t=Prosecutor:-Rape-May-be-Alleged-in-Tracy-Girl-s-Slaying

TRACY, Calif. (AP) - Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Huckaby has been arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lacivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

Himmelblau wouldn't provide more details. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday.

Sandra's body was found in a suitcase in an irrigation pond last week.

Just heard this on HLN..haven't had time to keep up on the board..is this new info??

[aproudmom]

Just in....HLN

Prosecution is considering rape charges.

Sorry that's all I heard....hopefully a link will be up soon.



This was no accident. :(

DP on table if so..I heard it on HLN just now..

[aproudmom]

Just heard this on HLN..haven't had time to keep up on the board..is this new info??

yeah new to me..it just came on HLN

[kitty1182]

Just in....HLN

Prosecution is considering rape charges.

Sorry that's all I heard....hopefully a link will be up soon.



This was no accident. :(

I heard that too:sad:

[kitty1182]

If it's true, the thought of what she may have used to rape her, makes me ill.

[aproudmom]

I am so sick I wish they would stop calling her a SS teacher..rape molestation they best start checking any kids she has been around her including her own child SICK:cursing:

[Sweetly]

OMG, please say noooooooooooo!:crying: :crying: :crying:

[5boxersmom]

Rape? OMG. She is a monster. Now I am really worried about her daughter.

imo

[datagal]

Just in....HLN

Prosecution is considering rape charges.

Sorry that's all I heard....hopefully a link will be up soon.



This was no accident. :(



:scared: Ok, all reality has just went out the window. Now, I am totally shocked. Do they still think no one else is involved?

[Brattnt]

OMG!...No telling what all Sandra went through...:crying: