Monday 13th April

[aproudmom]

I keep coming up with all these wild tales of what could have happened simply because it is so hard to wrap my mind around the idea that a mother killed another mother's child, most likely with intent. I see why profilers would find her interesting.

One Question though: Have any of you EVER heard of another case where a mom not only kidnapped and killed her child's playmate but also sexually abused that child ALONE, without the assistance of another adult, specifically a male adult? I'm searching but I can't find a thing. This freaks me out.

nope and that is what scares the holy U know what out of me..for one this is not the first time sure she is not the only child either I just pray she knocked them out..k cant go there..I search motives yesterday and could not find anything other than we all think about killing at some point in our life we just dont do it cause we dont want to get caught...:confused:

[Ice Cycle]

Well, apparently, my speculation and attempt at discussion has irked some posters. I'll not ask for forgiveness. I want to know what happened and why. I want to make sense of this mess. As for the implications that the same discussions wouldn't take place if this were a male, well, that is an baseless assumption. I would want to ask the same questions and know the same answers no matter which gender were being held responsible. I want to know the signs of someone who is evil at heart. Show me a history that gives a hint of the twisted mind/soul involved. Give me a background that proves that there was some sort of warning that people missed and that we can now learn from. What I don't want is to think that there are monsters among us that we can't identify at all. That scares me.

Well it wasn't me as I for one do believe this could of been a cover up car accident. My reason has nothing to do with the fact that she is female but more so the time frame and her relationship with Sandra. However I know that might not be the case but would prefer to wait to get the facts from LE as we know many times the media source information is what is made up and and not fact.
I though do not believe this has anything to do with her mental stability as I think that is rarely a factor but a excuse. IMO

[aproudmom]

omg casey DP

[dinojen]

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstories/?Sex-Charges-Possible-Against-Woman-Accus=1&blockID=252627&feedID=1198

Sex Charges Possible Against Woman Accused in 8-year-old's Slaying

April 13, 2009

TRACY -- Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing 8-year-old Sandra Cantu.


Guess we could possibly find out something tomorrow at her arraignment.
Just gets weirder and weirder...

I have a feeling the information in this case is going to get sealed tighter than a air vac'd bag.. Just like they did in the Tracy Teen Torture case.. the only they released was the charges.. everything else is still sealed.. and that case is being handled by TPD and DA also..

I just feel bad for all the families involved.. geesh... can't even begin to think about what they are all going through. Especially knowing your daughter or granddaughter or sister did this to a little girl.

It really is hard to fathom..

[merical]

I have never heard of a case like this.

Its so completely horrific and bizarre that it makes me wonder...if she hadn't started blabbing to the media, would she ever have been caught? Would evidence found in the mobile home park/church have instead been linked to her grandfather? What a horrible thought. How many times has a woman done this and gotten away with it just because as a 'she' she doesn't fit the profile of a killer?

[meadowlark]

the thing is she told them she had been there before..thank god this monster started talking to the media


I guess I am not saying what I mean. You'll have to excuse my way of saying things, I try to put it out there, but sometimes it just comes out confusing.

Whitehall has a specific meaning to Melissa. She chose it for a reason other than her having been there before. Just as she very well could have chosen the "other street" for whatever reason. She also misspelled "suitcase". She is specifically telling people something. I hope the police are "listening" or "understanding" this. My guess they are or they would have released the "other" street name.

When we finally do find out the "other" street name and the way suitcase was misspelled, it will reveal more about Melissa and the way she thinks. My personal opinion.

It is also my guess her "internal bleeding" might also be a "clue" that has something to do with something other than her being in the hospital.

She's communicating to someone...be it the police or someone else.

[aproudmom]

omg casey DP

SORRY O/T all hit me at one time on HLN Casey A. DP back on table and MLH could face DP also with these charges

[Stella Rose]

Just popping in to apologize to all for my rush to judgement Friday. I was completely sure some male pedo creep had done this to Sandra, and I was wrong. Apologies to all.

This is way too horrible to imagine. We want all the child murderers, pedos, etc to LOOK like what they are - something like this happens, it shakes me to the core.

Again, sorry all.

[ginky41]

my personal guess is she chose that location because it is WHITEHALL road. there was a name of another street in that note, however, the police have not released the name of the other road, when they do, then it might tell us exactly why she chose the place she chose.

IIRC it was Whitehall and Brachetti. Supposedly the "pond" is near the corner of both of those streets.

[aproudmom]

I guess I am not saying what I mean. You'll have to excuse my way of saying things, I try to put it out there, but sometimes it just comes out confusing.

Whitehall has a specific meaning to Melissa. She chose it for a reason other than her having been there before. Just as she very well could have chosen the "other street" for whatever reason. She also misspelled "suitcase". She is specifically telling people something. I hope the police are "listening" or "understanding" this. My guess they are or they would have released the "other" street name.

When we finally do find out the "other" street name and the way suitcase was misspelled, it will reveal more about Melissa and the way she thinks. My personal opinion.

It is also my guess her "internal bleeding" might also be a "clue" that has something to do with something other than her being in the hospital.

She's communicating to someone...be it the police or someone else.

OK got ya now good catch..great catch..actually..and no I had all of it coming in at one time and did not understand what you meant..do now though..

[datagal]

Its so completely horrific and bizarre that it makes me wonder...if she hadn't started blabbing to the media, would she ever have been caught? Would evidence found in the mobile home park/church have instead been linked to her grandfather? What a horrible thought. How many times has a woman done this and gotten away with it just because as a 'she' she doesn't fit the profile of a killer?

Wow. Wow. I am wondering how many cases have not been solved because they are not looking for a woman.

[IlliniFan]

Just popping in to apologize to all for my rush to judgement Friday. I was completely sure some male pedo creep had done this to Sandra, and I was wrong. Apologies to all.

This is way too horrible to imagine. We want all the child murderers, pedos, etc to LOOK like what they are - something like this happens, it shakes me to the core.

Again, sorry all.

Stella, I thought the same thing. I was/am shocked at what we are learning about this case. I pray Sandra didn't suffer, and hope her family can find the strength to get through this.....

[blestw4]

I just now read the latest report and am so disgusted and sick to my stomach. I know in my head that women can be just as evil as men but trying to analyze this with the heart of myself as a mom, I just can't undertand how another mom could do this to a poor innocent child. And her own daughters friend. This is sickening and so troubling. Who can we trust? It seems no one which is so very sad. This woman is evil to the core and needs to be thrown in prison with other women that will tear her apart. Death is to easy at this point. My heart is breaking for Sandras family. Especially her mom having to know the details of what happened in her daughters last hours of her life. :cursing:

[meadowlark]

IIRC it was Whitehall and Brachetti. Supposedly the "pond" is near the corner of both of those streets.

yes the pond is right there on whitehall off of bracchetti.

But did the police release the other name in the note. Did she write bracchetti in the note, or something else? It is what is in the note that I want to know.
Police just said "another street"(in the note), and did not say the name, unless they have said it NOW and I missed it.

And they said suitcase is misspelled but never said HOW it was spelled. We really need to know these things in order to figure this out. Or at least that is my opinion. Melissa follows a pattern. I believe we are going to find out a lot of very bizarre stuff about her. IF>>> they allow it to come out.

[aproudmom]

Just popping in to apologize to all for my rush to judgement Friday. I was completely sure some male pedo creep had done this to Sandra, and I was wrong. Apologies to all.

This is way too horrible to imagine. We want all the child murderers, pedos, etc to LOOK like what they are - something like this happens, it shakes me to the core.

Again, sorry all.

no we all are in shock I was thinking a male..this is not normal she even has the profilers guessing..I am not so sure yet there is not even more to this..crazy witch

[Destini]

This is terrible and is just making me feel sick ....

This reeks of something ... I don't know .... maybe satanic?? I don't know much about the subject, and I'm scared to Google. But I have a very bad feeling, actually did yesterday morning when I read the article where they believed it happened at the church. I didn't want to go there because it was Easter Sunday and I just couldn't.

[StickyBeak]

OMG Rape and Mutililation on HLN, I am afraid to know.

Poor Little Girl,

Candles for Sarah

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

[jammies]

This is terrible and is just making me feel sick ....

This reeks of something ... I don't know .... maybe satanic?? I don't know much about the subject, and I'm scared to Google. But I have a very bad feeling, actually did yesterday morning when I read the article where they believed it happened at the church. I didn't want to go there because it was Easter Sunday and I just couldn't.


I thought "satanic" also, des. Well, even if it's not CONSIDERED satanic, it truly IS!!!

[aproudmom]

yes the pond is right there on whitehall off of bracchetti.

But did the police release the other name in the note. Did she write bracchetti in the note, or something else? It is what is in the note that I want to know.
Police just said "another street"(in the note), and did not say the name, unless they have said it NOW and I missed it.

And they said suitcase is misspelled but never said HOW it was spelled. We really need to know these things in order to figure this out. Or at least that is my opinion. Melissa follows a pattern. I believe we are going to find out a lot of very bizarre stuff about her. IF>>> they allow it to come out.

gosh you have a better memory than I do..so they did not release both then? wonder if they even have this so called note she told media she found it at Sandra's house right at the 2nd vigil..it was on videos cause she was telling the media if they had listened to her they may have been able to save Sandra..:cursing:

[meadowlark]

OK got ya now good catch..great catch..actually..and no I had all of it coming in at one time and did not understand what you meant..do now though..

I am glad you see it. Keep this in mind all through this case. These are the things that will tell us her motive. Tracy area and the central valley is full of this stuff. Once you get to paying attention to these cases you learn to spot them. I believe Melissa is tangled up in something far more deep and dark than her killing Sandra. This case fit the pattern from the very beginning.

Melissa is a "communicator". She is going to keep doing this. Had they not arrested her I fully believe there would have been more, and the next one would have happened very soon, maybe even that same day.
She has an agenda. I believe she is just one piece of the puzzle.

[KKKKKKatie]

OMG Rape and Mutililation on HLN, I am afraid to know.

Poor Little Girl,

Candles for Sarah

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC


Just heard it also! :sad:

Everything happening at once
Sandra
Casey...motion to put DP back on the table
Spector verdict
:scared:

[trucrime]

They'd better interview her children to make sure they too werent abused.

I wonder what happened... why would this woman harm a little girl... when she herself was a mother. I have a daughter, I could not fathom doing anything like this to an adult let alone a CHILD. IMO.

[aproudmom]

OMG Rape and Mutililation on HLN, I am afraid to know.

Poor Little Girl,

Candles for Sarah

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

You mean Sandra? StickyB
I went and lit one thanks for thinking about it..and posting the link

[ginky41]

gosh you have a better memory than I do..so they did not release both then? wonder if they even have this so called note she told media she found it at Sandra's house right at the 2nd vigil..it was on videos cause she was telling the media if they had listened to her they may have been able to save Sandra..:cursing:

I don't think anyone could have saved her, from what's being reported she was murdered shortly after she disappeared and before her family reported her missing.

[aproudmom]

They'd better interview her children to make sure they too werent abused.

I wonder what happened... why would this woman harm a little girl... when she herself was a mother. I have a daughter, I could not fathom doing anything like this to an adult let alone a CHILD. IMO.

yeah and any child she has been around..:cursing:

[aproudmom]

I don't think anyone could have saved her, from what's being reported she was murdered shortly after she disappeared and before her family reported her missing.

No she said that to the reporters that if they had listened to her about this letter they may have been able to save her..do I think so heck no..she was playing with the media for 2 or 3 days..like her freaking note she wrote would have saved her..no..she is sick

[blestw4]

I thought "satanic" also, des. Well, even if it's not CONSIDERED satanic, it truly IS!!!

I agree. Any place is truly sickening and to commit this kind of crime in the house of God is beyond anything I can comprehend. It would fall into being Satanic. Maybe she also hated Christianity and decided to commit this horrific act in such a place as a slap in Gods face and all the members. Evil, Evil... There is no way after this, I can see those members attending that building. It needs to be burned down.

[juliekan]

OMG Rape and Mutililation on HLN, I am afraid to know.

Poor Little Girl,

Candles for Sarah

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

I posted this on Saturday, after the press conference:

I just re-watched this on TV, and Sheneman's voice when asked about motive is incredulous...he says "I couldn't begin to even theorize what her motive was." I think this is going to be a bizarre story.

Now we know why........

[StickyBeak]

I am glad you see it. Keep this in mind all through this case. These are the things that will tell us her motive. Tracy area and the central valley is full of this stuff. Once you get to paying attention to these cases you learn to spot them. I believe Melissa is tangled up in something far more deep and dark than her killing Sandra. This case fit the pattern from the very beginning.

Melissa is a "communicator". She is going to keep doing this. Had they not arrested her I fully believe there would have been more, and the next one would have happened very soon, maybe even that same day.
She has an agenda. I believe she is just one piece of the puzzle.


ITA, I think MH was a go-between for something dark and sinister.

[datagal]

Mutilation? WTH does that mean???????? Before or after Sandra died? :cursing:

[lunchlady]

Somewhere I thought I read that a man named Williams can seen on video leaving the note Melissa talked about that was left at the memorial shrine.
Is this true or just a collection of notions?

Melissa seems to have had connections with several men in the mobile home park. Wonder if their computers are also being examined. Perhaps this mobile home park is full of good citizens but the one closest to where I live is in the news all the time. OTOH the pretty one near my parents' house is full of longterm residents and quite peaceful and community minded.
I don't think mobile home parks are necessarily the home of kiddie porn rings, but some of them have a lot of people who are relatively short of cash and relatively tall on personal problems like drugs alcohol etc.

If there really aren't any men involved in any way in this crime then this is an unusual crime, especially with the news of "rape with a foreign object". I would be less surprised to hear of such a crime involving at-least-temporarily-deranged women in prison, but a female civilian with a child is pretty rare. I know there are bizarre twisted women out there too, but then I would expect that Melissa would have been reported some other time for unusual behavior with children, unless this is a recently developed or previously suppressed appetite.

Is there a police report for the narcotics-found-in-the-blood-of-a-child episode? Is this just another feeble attempt by Melissa to put her spin on not-yet-discovered evidence? She's not doing herself any favors unless she wants to go to prison even faster.

[aproudmom]

Just heard it also! :sad:

Everything happening at once
Sandra
Casey...motion to put DP back on the table
Spector verdict
:scared:

Me to KK I was falling out of my chair with everything at one time..just waiting for the verdict then all of a sudden boom KC and then MLH ..omg


getting ready to talk about it on HLN

[dinojen]

OMG Rape and Mutililation on HLN, I am afraid to know.

Poor Little Girl,

Candles for Sarah

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

Where do you get mutilation from? The DA said nothing about that.. it may be what HLN is reporting but that's not what the DA said.

He also said MAY..on these special circumstance charges.. again.. tomorrow is the arraignment we will have to wait till then to see what she is actually charged with... not defending Huckaby.. but the media goes nuts with this stuff and puts all kinds of info out there that hasn't even been said or verified and the spin just starts going..

JMHO..


The DA's statement was..
Prosecutors May Push Molestation, Rape Charges Against Melissa

TRACY - Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Huckaby has been arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Prosecutors-May-Push-Molestation-Rape-Ch=1&blockID=265166&feedID=2674


Could be they want to get every possible charge in there to be able to go for the DP.. :confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

O/T Spector guilty Murder 2

[kitty1182]

o/t spector guilty.

[aproudmom]

Somewhere I thought I read that a man named Williams can seen on video leaving the note Melissa talked about that was left at the memorial shrine.
Is this true or just a collection of notions?

Melissa seems to have had connections with several men in the mobile home park. Wonder if their computers are also being examined. Perhaps this mobile home park is full of good citizens but the one closest to where I live is in the news all the time. OTOH the pretty one near my parents' house is full of longterm residents and quite peaceful and community minded.
I don't think mobile home parks are necessarily the home of kiddie porn rings, but some of them have a lot of people who are relatively short of cash and relatively tall on personal problems like drugs alcohol etc.

If there really aren't any men involved in any way in this crime then this is an unusual crime, especially with the news of "rape with a foreign object". I would be less surprised to hear of such a crime involving at-least-temporarily-deranged women in prison, but a female civilian with a child is pretty rare. I know there are bizarre twisted women out there too, but then I would expect that Melissa would have been reported some other time for unusual behavior with children, unless this is a recently developed or previously suppressed appetite.

Is there a police report for the narcotics-found-in-the-blood-of-a-child episode? Is this just another feeble attempt by Melissa to put her spin on not-yet-discovered evidence? She's not doing herself any favors unless she wants to go to prison even faster.

I really thought of 2 mainly 1 man but not sure we shall see

Phil spector Guilty

[dinojen]

I'm skeptical on this one. The prosecutor states they are considering rape and molestation ALLEGATIONS not charges. Some headline writers have gone ahead and put rape charges, but the prosecutor actually states rape allegations.

This story isn't getting much traction - CNN, MSNBC and Fox aren't running it.

I know I'm skeptical to a fault a lot of times, but this story really doesn't sound likely.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=7321954&page=1

Thank you... that's why I think LE is starting to learn to keep things close to their chests as far as releasing information in cases like this.. the media latches on and just goes nuts...putting out false information..

JMO

[meadowlark]

gosh you have a better memory than I do..so they did not release both then? wonder if they even have this so called note she told media she found it at Sandra's house right at the 2nd vigil..it was on videos cause she was telling the media if they had listened to her they may have been able to save Sandra..:cursing:

things like this catch my attention very easily. I would assume if she said anything at all about this so-called note it would have caught the attention of the feds very easily as well. I hope they have the note, I hope they will release it at some point, however, if they were to release it now it could really prejudice her case. Sometimes when the evidence is so overwhelming they will seal it up.

If we look on the maps around Tracy and look at the street names we might be able to pick out the other street.

Whitehall is also a "dead end". Whitehall is also the name of a road in westminster in Jack the ripper case. And westminster is a name directly connected to Melissa's family... as is Cherry and Orange.

I am watching all of these names closely. When there get to be enough of the coincidenses, they are no longer coincidenses.

It will not supprise me one bit to find out Melissa is connected to more cases.

[aproudmom]

o/t spector guilty.

Just saw that kitty.

[aproudmom]

http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=home&id=2310960-Rape+may+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

Prosecutors said today they may include rape and molestation allegations in their murder charge against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.
also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.:cursing:

[Destini]

I agree. Any place is truly sickening and to commit this kind of crime in the house of God is beyond anything I can comprehend. It would fall into being Satanic. Maybe she also hated Christianity and decided to commit this horrific act in such a place as a slap in Gods face and all the members. Evil, Evil... There is no way after this, I can see those members attending that building. It needs to be burned down.

I am starting to think she is truly evil, and I don't like feeling this way. I'm normally a very compassionate person, but this is scary bizarre .... like Linda Blair & Exorcist bizarre.

Does she have so much pent-up hatred toward her Christian family that this was the ultimate punishment for them? Did she feel like her family and God had abandoned her, and molesting andkilling this innocent child in not only a church but her own family's church would pay them back? And this poor innocent little girl paid with her life. I am just shaking.

[kitty1182]

I've managed to keep track of all the rest of these abbreviations but would someone please tell me ...

WHAT??? Does HLN stand for? :confused:

Head Line News
The channel Nancy Grace comes on..

[kitty1182]

Thanks for the link.

I am sickened that a woman and mother would do this. I really thought it was a male sex offender. You just never know...


I wonder what things she has done to her own daughter:sad:

[titanfan217]

HLN reporting additional charges pending.

[IlliniFan]

I've managed to keep track of all the rest of these abbreviations but would someone please tell me ...

WHAT??? Does HLN stand for? :confused:

Head Line News ....CNN

[blestw4]

Headline News (CNN)

[dinojen]

I've managed to keep track of all the rest of these abbreviations but would someone please tell me ...

WHAT??? Does HLN stand for? :confused:

Headline News... it's the CNN news channel

[aproudmom]

things like this catch my attention very easily. I would assume if she said anything at all about this so-called note it would have caught the attention of the feds very easily as well. I hope they have the note, I hope they will release it at some point, however, if they were to release it now it could really prejudice her case. Sometimes when the evidence is so overwhelming they will seal it up.

If we look on the maps around Tracy and look at the street names we might be able to pick out the other street.

Whitehall is also a "dead end". Whitehall is also the name of a road in westminster in Jack the ripper case. And westminster is a name directly connected to Melissa's family... as is Cherry and Orange.

I am watching all of these names closely. When there get to be enough of the coincidenses, they are no longer coincidenses.

It will not supprise me one bit to find out Melissa is connected to more cases.

ITA I hate to say this but I read into every word it had bothered me that her grandma kept saying someone abused this child..no one ever said she was abused..not saying she knew it just stuck with me and still cant shake it..and MH said she took her little girls friends to the park all the time her father said she was like mother hen...she loved children ...HELLO yeah we know that now..I had a good feeling this was going to happen but some said they do not bother putting clothes back on..well this is not the normal she is a women not a man...and she used a object..omg:crying:

[aproudmom]

I've managed to keep track of all the rest of these abbreviations but would someone please tell me ...

WHAT??? Does HLN stand for? :confused:

lol...yeah alot to remember isnt it..

[omsk99]

~snip

"San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping. "

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12133607

I thought it couldn't get any worse :scared:

ETA:
http://cbs2.com/national/Sandra.Cantu.Melissa.2.983864.html
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-world/rape-may-be-alleged-in-us-girls-slaying-20090414-a4zs.html
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/apr/13/police-make-arrest-in-murder-of-sandra-cantu/

[FrankieBones1]

I've managed to keep track of all the rest of these abbreviations but would someone please tell me ...

WHAT??? Does HLN stand for? :confused:
Headline News

It used to be HNN.

I agree with all the abbreviations. It doesn't take long to spell simple words out.

[dinojen]

Prosecutors said today they may include rape and molestation allegations in their murder charge against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press today that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

A conviction on any of the special circumstances would make Huckaby eligible for the death penalty or life in prison without parole, Himmelblau said. The district attorney has not determined whether his office will seek the death penalty in the case, he said.


Himmelblau wouldn't provide additional details on any evidence leading prosecutors to consider the sexual assault allegations. Police have not released any details on how, where or why Sandra was killed.

Formal charges have not yet been filed against Huckaby. A final decision on which special circumstances to include has not been made, Himmelblau said. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Stockton.

http://tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=home&id=2310960-Rape+may+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&


Just FYI

[IlliniFan]

~snip

"San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping. "

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12133607

I thought it couldn't get any worse :scared:

It's just hearbreaking...I am worried that MH has abused Sandra/other girls before. I am curious as to the results of the toxicology reports....not sure we will hear the results, though...how awful all of this is....

[meadowlark]

ITA, I think MH was a go-between for something dark and sinister.


Melissa is a "coder", she knows what time it is. I don't believe anything she says or does is random or on an impulse. She is "studied".

I could tell right off by where they were searching that someone was communicating something to someone. This stuff is not random. It was and is very predictable. I believe someone spotted it right off and hopefully the feds jumped in here and decided to blow this wide open for once.

when asked if they would arrest others the answer was "not in this case", well, I hope that to mean they finally are going to do something about all this stuff happening in that area. They have been ignoring this stuff for years. I just really hope they start paying attention and put a stop to these stuff.

you have to wonder what all she told them... and you have to wonder, do they understand her? when said they could not even begin to imagine what the motive is... do they really mean that? or are they just not saying. I doubt they will say if they know. I just hope they know.

[FrankieBones1]

HLN reporting additional charges pending.

I was in a great mood with the Spector verdict only to hear about the additional charges for this monster called Huckaby. I hope she fries.

[ginky41]

ITA I hate to say this but I read into every word it had bothered me that her grandma kept saying someone abused this child..no one ever said she was abused..not saying she knew it just stuck with me and still cant shake it..and MH said she took her little girls friends to the park all the time her father said she was like mother hen...she loved children ...HELLO yeah we know that now..I had a good feeling this was going to happen but some said they do not bother putting clothes back on..well this is not the normal she is a women not a man...and she used a object..omg:crying:


Because they are saying that Sandra was likely killed shortly after she went missing I am going to hope and pray that nothing *bad* happened to her in that short time. The things they are accusing her of (I can't even type them) may have been intent only....until I know different that's the version I'll believe. I can only hope she didn't suffer.

[aproudmom]

I see even more charges if you ask me

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press today that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.
A conviction on any of the special circumstances would make Huckaby eligible for the death penalty or life in prison without parole, Himmelblau said. The district attorney has not determined whether his office will seek the death penalty in the case, he said.

Himmelblau said prosecutors were considering filing other charges against Huckaby but declined to specify what the additional charges may be.
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=home&id=2310960-Rape+may+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

[Destini]

Melissa is a "coder", she knows what time it is. I don't believe anything she says or does is random or on an impulse. She is "studied".

I could tell right off by where they were searching that someone was communicating something to someone. This stuff is not random. It was and is very predictable. I believe someone spotted it right off and hopefully the feds jumped in here and decided to blow this wide open for once.

when asked if they would arrest others the answer was "not in this case", well, I hope that to mean they finally are going to do something about all this stuff happening in that area. They have been ignoring this stuff for years. I just really hope they start paying attention and put a stop to these stuff.

you have to wonder what all she told them... and you have to wonder, do they understand her? when said they could not even begin to imagine what the motive is... do they really mean that? or are they just not saying. I doubt they will say if they know. I just hope they know.


I really don't understand what you're trying to say. What is the "stuff" that's been happening in that area for years? What kind of stuff? What is a coder? What is a communicator? I am lost.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Raise your hand if you think poor Melissa backed over Sandra with a car now?

[StickyBeak]

You mean Sandra? StickyB
I went and lit one thanks for thinking about it..and posting the link


Thanks Mom, always looking out for us, TY. I can't believe this, I just can't comprehend any such act let alone a mother. This chick knew exactly what she was doing. I pray her daughter is free, God only knows what has gone on to make her so sickly. Whoo Hoo PS and CA,
and the Capt. & crew all safe.

makes me wonder why i typed sarah, :scared:

[playnice]

~snip

"San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping. "

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12133607

I thought it couldn't get any worse :scared:

ETA:
http://cbs2.com/national/Sandra.Cantu.Melissa.2.983864.html
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-world/rape-may-be-alleged-in-us-girls-slaying-20090414-a4zs.html
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/apr/13/police-make-arrest-in-murder-of-sandra-cantu/



I knew the motive was going to be sick and twisted.

[AmndaRcknwth]

ITA I hate to say this but I read into every word it had bothered me that her grandma kept saying someone abused this child..no one ever said she was abused..not saying she knew it just stuck with me and still cant shake it..and MH said she took her little girls friends to the park all the time her father said she was like mother hen...she loved children ...HELLO yeah we know that now..I had a good feeling this was going to happen but some said they do not bother putting clothes back on..well this is not the normal she is a women not a man...and she used a object..omg:crying:


Granny knew it all along.

[aproudmom]

Because they are saying that Sandra was likely killed shortly after she went missing I am going to hope and pray that nothing *bad* happened to her in that short time. The things they are accusing her of (I can't even type them) may have been intent only....until I know different that's the version I'll believe. I can only hope she didn't suffer.

well she had from what 4-8 as far as we know..and I sure hope they are talking to any of the kids she has been around you do not just wake up one day and turn into pure evil..imo

[crwofter1]

lol...yeah alot to remember isnt it..

headline news

[KKKKKKatie]

Raise your hand if you think poor Melissa backed over Sandra with a car now?

You know Amanda.....IMO there is nothing wrong with the speculation that was going on given the few facts that we knew up until this moment. I really don't think your post was very fair.

[AmndaRcknwth]

You know Amanda.....IMO there is nothing wrong with the speculation that was going on given the few facts that we knew up until this moment. I really don't think your post was very fair.

True, you are right. I apologize, I am just so angry.

The thing is, we knew about the drugging of a 7yo, and there is never a good reason for someone to drug nbhd children. Unless.... this one.

[meadowlark]

ITA I hate to say this but I read into every word it had bothered me that her grandma kept saying someone abused this child..no one ever said she was abused..not saying she knew it just stuck with me and still cant shake it..and MH said she took her little girls friends to the park all the time her father said she was like mother hen...she loved children ...HELLO yeah we know that now..I had a good feeling this was going to happen but some said they do not bother putting clothes back on..well this is not the normal she is a women not a man...and she used a object..omg:crying:

we need to read every single word and pay attention to them. Sometimes they mean nothing, but other times they mean everything. The people who do these things use "words". When you see enough words piling up that seem to mean nothing, but they just keep piling up and are all associated with the patterns, then you go hmmmm, and keep looking.

[KKKKKKatie]

True, you are right. I apologize, I am just so angry.

The thing is, we knew about the drugging of a 7yo, and there is never a good reason for someone to drug nbhd children. Unless.... this one.

Accepted...and thank you! I think we are all angry. This is just unspeakable :cursing:

[Ice Cycle]

You know Amanda.....IMO there is nothing wrong with the speculation that was going on given the few facts that we knew up until this moment. I really don't think your post was very fair.

Completely uncalled for is more like it and most have never said for certain just that preferred hearing it from LE than the media.

[Facinated]

This is terrible and is just making me feel sick ....

This reeks of something ... I don't know .... maybe satanic?? I don't know much about the subject, and I'm scared to Google. But I have a very bad feeling, actually did yesterday morning when I read the article where they believed it happened at the church. I didn't want to go there because it was Easter Sunday and I just couldn't.

This is exactly what made me comment this morning about something deep and dark that was making me feel uncomfortable.

I know I should not bring her family into this without more information from LE, but a few things concern me about this particular church. 1) It is more a house converted and not an actual church 2) it has a VERY small congregation

Also, earlier this morning I commented on another Forum where (supposedly) a friend of MH was posting and a few things she said about when they were younger ie: rarely went to MH's home and MH suffered from some early depression and talk of ending her life. It makes me think that something awful and perverted happened in her childhood. I have heard of sick cases like that in the past and this whole thing made me think that something similar is up with this case!

JMO

[playnice]

I hope every parent that has a child that was alone with her questions their children and I hope she gets the same treatment and punishment that Couey and all the other scum get.:cursing:

[dinojen]

You know Amanda.....IMO there is nothing wrong with the speculation that was going on given the few facts that we knew up until this moment. I really don't think your post was very fair.

Bolding this part of your post...

given the few facts that we knew up until this moment

We know very few facts.. we know who has been arrested, we know that she is being charged with kidnapping and murder.. and it is being suggested that more charges could be added to that.

We have post that are suggesting satanic reasons, to kiddie porn, to drug rings... and it's all just posters speculation... none of that has been released by the TPD.. or the DA.

Hey.. I'm with all of you what this woman did was horrible.. what caused her to do it.. I hope we find out. But I'm also thinking about Sandra's family reading all this and hearing it on the news.. it has to be horrible.

I've always been of the mind to wait and hear the evidence of the crime.. and think I will need to do the same in this case. The media loves to just toss in too much that hasn't been verified. Another reason I don't listen to Geraldo..

Do I think she did it .. sure.. don't think she needs to see the outside world again except for going to court to be tried and then transported to prison.

But some of this speculation is just way out there.. I think the DA is just looking at everything possible that she can be charged with. JMHO

[KaraokeDiva]

I'm not that surprised by the latest charges..... Simply killing your daughter's playmate for no reason made no sense.... Sadly, the sexual allegations/charges at least let me categorize this senseless killing.. :(

[playnice]

I know this sound sick , could she have molested Sandra to throw off the investigation. making it appear that a male pervert pediphile did this to Sandra ?

I think this was her motive for killing her. I think she is flat out a child predator. Maybe murder wasnt part of the plan but she could have injured her with the foreign object where Sandra needed medical attention and most likely Sandra threatened to tell. So she cold blooded murdered her. :cursing:

[Facinated]

She may have Amnda, who knows.


Yes, her Grandmother knew something..... in the interview while she was driving and her husband was in the passenger seat, she was too matter of fact and did not seem distressed for someone she has known her whole life to be missing.

I get sick just hearing about these things when they are people I do not know, never mind, your own child or a close neighbour, it would make it that more upsetting to me IMO. I would not be so matter-of-fact about it, if it were one of my neighbours children that played with my kids, I would be devastated.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Granny knew it all along.

am I not the only one that felt it was odd? I think she did as much as I hate to say it please god don't let there be any other children she has done this to and for some reason Sandra was the next step murder..my mom just told me if anyone ever thought of this being some sort of sadistic think I am starting to wonder...all jmo

[GentleBreeze]

I know this sound sick , could she have molested Sandra to throw off the investigation. making it appear that a male pervert pedophile did this to Sandra ?

It would not surprise me if the additional charges that may be lodged at her is molestation of her own 5 year old child. I feel the CPS has stepped in now and will see to it this child is examined for sexual abuse.

What a low life scum.......

imo

[Destini]

Fox40 Live Blog at this link ....

There may be a gag order filed for tomorrow's hearing. Also saying Melissa's daughter is with her father & stepmother (Melissa's father & stepmother).

http://www.fox40.com/pages/fox40live_blog

ETA: Sorry, not Melissa's father but the little girl Madison's father & stepmother

[blestw4]

I pray that these acts that are alleged happened after Sandras death. The disgusting world of porn goes deep and as evil and disgusting as this seems, it would be nice to hear that Sandra was not alive when these vile acts happened.

[5boxersmom]

I live in a small rural county and there are 3 women listed on our RSO list. They are older too, 30's and 40's. So it was not a case of a 18 or 19 year old girl with a younger boy. So sickening.

Did MH start talking before they questioned her grandfather or is that when she started lying to try to take the suspicion off him? I know she talked to the media before the arrest but I can't remember if it was before they questioned the GF for 3 hours.

tia
imo

[Ice Cycle]

Bolding this part of your post...

given the few facts that we knew up until this moment

We know very few facts.. we know who has been arrested, we know that she is being charged with kidnapping and murder.. and it is being suggested that more charges could be added to that.

We have post that are suggesting satanic reasons, to kiddie porn, to drug rings... and it's all just posters speculation... none of that has been released by the TPD.. or the DA.

Hey.. I'm with all of you what this woman did was horrible.. what caused her to do it.. I hope we find out. But I'm also thinking about Sandra's family reading all this and hearing it on the news.. it has to be horrible.

I've always been of the mind to wait and hear the evidence of the crime.. and think I will need to do the same in this case. The media loves to just toss in too much that hasn't been verified. Another reason I don't listen to Geraldo..

Do I think she did it .. sure.. don't think she needs to see the outside world again except for going to court to be tried and then transported to prison.

But some of this speculation is just way out there.. I think the DA is just looking at everything possible that she can be charged with. JMHO



IA, But what I am wanting to know is that same article at Tracy Press says "Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu."
Now I read here somewhere that she has been arrested on 1st Degree and it was premeditated, then looked up the booking charge myself and it says Felony Murder- So which is it Suspicion, 1st degree or Felony Murder?

[nana6]

Hi all, I have been so busy lately that I have not kept up/ We are putting our house on the market tomorrow needless to say it is alot of work. I was just shocked a minute ago when I read in a newspaper that there may be rape charges in this case. Rape with a foreign object!!! I never imagined this. First I assumed this perp was a man and now this!! I am just sick as I know are the rest of you. I pray for this family. Now, OT but I also heard that the LE is going for the death penalty in the Caylee case. I do feel releived on this count. Did you ever think we would see such crimes against the innocent like these 2? I have no idea what is going on in the Haleigh case either. I will try to keep up with you all now that things are slowing down for us here. Nana

[GentleBreeze]

I see even more charges if you ask me

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press today that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.
A conviction on any of the special circumstances would make Huckaby eligible for the death penalty or life in prison without parole, Himmelblau said. The district attorney has not determined whether his office will seek the death penalty in the case, he said.

Himmelblau said prosecutors were considering filing other charges against Huckaby but declined to specify what the additional charges may be.
http://www.tracypress.com/pages/full_story?article-Rape%20may%20be%20alleged%20in%20girl-s%20slaying%20=&page_label=home&id=2310960-Rape+may+be+alleged+in+girl-s+slaying&widget=push&instance=home_news_lead_story&open=&

If I was a part of Sandra's family I would be sitting in the DAs office demanding that she be charged with ALL she did to Sandra.

imo

[dinojen]

Fox40 Live Blog at this link ....

There may be a gag order filed for tomorrow's hearing. Also saying Melissa's daughter is with her father & stepmother (Melissa's father & stepmother).

http://www.fox40.com/pages/fox40live_blog

Good.. she will have her aunt and uncles to help her. Can't imagine what she is thinking.. Hopefully they will take her out of the area and back to Southern California.

[KKKKKKatie]

IA, But what I am wanting to know is that same article at Tracy Press says "Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu."
Now I have heard here somewhere that she has been arrested on 1st Degree and it was premeditated, then looked up the booking charge myself and it says Felony Murder- So which is it Suspicion,
1st degree or Felony?

I could be way wrong...but I think in CA it is one in the same???

[tootie]

This news is so disturbing. I pray it's not true, but something has lead them to believe it is. MH has either confessed or the body has evidence of it. I wonder, did they ever find the murder weapon?

[dinojen]

IA, But what I am wanting to know is that same article at Tracy Press says "Melissa Huckaby, 28, was arrested Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu."
Now I read here somewhere that she has been arrested on 1st Degree and it was premeditated, then looked up the booking charge myself and it says Felony Murder- So which is it Suspicion, 1st degree or Felony Murder?

Got me.. that's what I mean.. the media just keeps trying to beat each other with news... I have the San Joaquin link saved at home .. the last time I looked at it.. she was being charged with felony murder and felony kidnapping.

Hopefully we will find out the actual charges tomorrow when she is arraigned...

I bet they place a gag order on this one too.. just like the torture case.

[GentleBreeze]

my bolding

I've had the same thoughts. I look for more arrests to go down before this is all over with. I think they know. They may be engaged in ongoing investigations.

There may be spin off cases due to certain things that the investigation uncovered while working on the Cantu case but I don't think any of Melissa's family will be arrested. But as far as connected to the murder case imo, they have their sole perpetrator.

I don't put much into what grandma said......heck most of us right here said the same thing and thought Sandra had been taken to be sexually abused and then murdered.

[Riverwalk!]

Good.. she will have her aunt and uncles to help her. Can't imagine what she is thinking.. Hopefully they will take her out of the area and back to Southern California.

I think you might have misread post #400. Rumors have been for days that Melissa's daughter is with her FATHER (John Huckaby) and his wife (Amanda). He is her next of kin and not the Lawless family.

That was one reason I was looking this guy up in Kansas.

JMO.

[GentleBreeze]

I pray that these acts that are alleged happened after Sandras death. The disgusting world of porn goes deep and as evil and disgusting as this seems, it would be nice to hear that Sandra was not alive when these vile acts happened.

I would think if they are contemplating charging her with rape the ME has to have evidence of that and that Sandra was alive at the time. If she wasn't alive then that would be necrophilia.

imo

[meadowlark]

my bolding

I've had the same thoughts. I look for more arrests to go down before this is all over with. I think they know. They may be engaged in ongoing investigations.

Oh I so hope they are still investigating this and hope they arrest more people for more cases. Those of us who have been watching these cases for years are sick and tired of trying to say something and people think we are nuts. I hope all of this becomes public. Ignoring these kinds of things and pretending they don't happen has gone on long enough. I say dig and dig and dig up everyone in that valley connected to this mess. I think they public can handle what is going on moreso than they can sit and wonder what is going on. When cases like this have no answers people can't phathom what is going on, if they would just put it out there for the world to see maybe people would pay attention and less of this would be going on.

[Ice Cycle]

[quote=dinojen;13002280]Got me.. that's what I mean.. the media just keeps trying to beat each other with news... I have the San Joaquin link saved at home .. the last time I looked at it.. she was being charged with felony murder and felony kidnapping.

Hopefully we will find out the actual charges tomorrow when she is arraigned...

I bet they place a gag order on this one too.. just like the torture case.[/quote

Don't understand how they can put gag orders on some but not others. Is it state specific or a Judicial decision?

[VC2]

Where do you get mutilation from? The DA said nothing about that.. it may be what HLN is reporting but that's not what the DA said.

He also said MAY..on these special circumstance charges.. again.. tomorrow is the arraignment we will have to wait till then to see what she is actually charged with... not defending Huckaby.. but the media goes nuts with this stuff and puts all kinds of info out there that hasn't even been said or verified and the spin just starts going..

JMHO..


The DA's statement was..
Prosecutors May Push Molestation, Rape Charges Against Melissa

TRACY - Prosecutors say they're considering rape and molestation allegations against the woman suspected of killing an 8-year-old Northern California girl and putting her body in a suitcase.

Twenty-eight-year-old Melissa Huckaby has been arrested on suspicion of kidnapping and murdering Sandra Cantu.

San Joaquin County Deputy District Attorney Robert Himmelblau told The Associated Press Monday that a homicide charge against Huckaby could also include the special circumstances of rape with a foreign object, lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and murder in the course of a kidnapping.

http://www.fox40.com/pages/landing_sandra_cantu/?Prosecutors-May-Push-Molestation-Rape-Ch=1&blockID=265166&feedID=2674


Could be they want to get every possible charge in there to be able to go for the DP.. :confused:

That they are even considering it tells me there is evidence either on her body or on some objects taken from the church. I would go with body because it makes it less clear given the days in the water. IMO the autopsy report shows bruising, tearing and stretching of her vaginal or anal areas. They may choose not to charge it tho if they have a solid enough case otherwise since the defense will try and argue it was a family member or some other SO who committed those acts. They don't even think of charging that without some evidence it happened..da's don't sit around coming up with bizarre scenarios to add charges out of whole cloth. No wonder the behavioral science unit wants to interview her.

jmo

eta...what a twisted sick person

[aproudmom]

I live in a small rural county and there are 3 women listed on our RSO list. They are older too, 30's and 40's. So it was not a case of a 18 or 19 year old girl with a younger boy. So sickening.

Did MH start talking before they questioned her grandfather or is that when she started lying to try to take the suspicion off him? I know she talked to the media before the arrest but I can't remember if it was before they questioned the GF for 3 hours.

tia
imo

I came from a very small town like 5000 and we had women SO so we are seeing things are not like they used to be..these FBI prof are even blown away..

[IlliniFan]

It would not surprise me if the additional charges that may be lodged at her is molestation of her own 5 year old child. I feel the CPS has stepped in now and will see to it this child is examined for sexual abuse.

What a low life scum.......

imo

I didn't reread the part about additional charges. I wonder if they could be charging someone else in this case? Obstruction....I just don't know...imo

[Debb]

I'm not even going to THINK ABOUT that!

Yesterday I read an article (sorry no link) where Candace Delong was speaking about this case. She said "this is not a sexually motivated killing". Boy, Is she ever wrong!th

So true. I googled to see that Delong is a former FBI profiler. (I wasn't familiar with her.) It will be interesting to hear what the FBI has to say. Profiling may be good in many cases, however, there is always the exception. Remember the young white lone male shooter they were looking for in Maryland with the public shootings. It ended up being a pair of black men, one young and one older. No one guessed that either.

This lady they charged reminds me of Sybil's mother. Remember that movie with Sally Field based on the true story of a child horribly abused by her mother that caused multiple personalities? Let's hope this women is held and is never able to harm another child.

[Ice Cycle]

Way too much "forgiveness" and not enough hate (for these types) in this world. S*&*#$! the liberal judges. If you don't want to keep seeing this as a daily occurance people THINK next time you vote.

Well I always think before I vote but I personally think Hate is is what is behind most of these crimes, or money. But I do agree when they are proved of crimes like you are referring to they need the book thrown with no parole and most of times even more.

[aproudmom]

That they are even considering it tells me there is evidence either on her body or on some objects taken from the church. I would go with body because it makes it less clear given the days in the water. IMO the autopsy report shows bruising, tearing and stretching of her vaginal or anal areas. They may choose not to charge it tho if they have a solid enough case otherwise since the defense will try and argue it was a family member or some other SO who committed those acts. They don't even think of charging that without some evidence it happened..da's don't sit around coming up with bizarre scenarios to add charges out of whole cloth. No wonder the behavioral science unit wants to interview her.

jmo

eta...what a twisted sick person

thing is we have no idea what she told them..we don't even know if she has a lawyer..I just pray no other child was abused..this is so sick..I have no doubt it happened at the church they were picking up things like handles and on the roof under the church rolling out the bed she may be talking who knows..:crying:

[kitty1182]

Way too much "forgiveness" and not enough hate (for these types) in this world. S*&*#$! the liberal judges. If you don't want to keep seeing this as a daily occurance people THINK next time you vote.

What has voting got to do with the crimes sickos do?:confused:

The people I voted for didn't do this act..

[meadowlark]

I agree. With the Internet this filth is flourshing. FBI has broken up International child porn rings. U.S. grandparents selling lieud video's of their grandchildren. Anyone anywhere should be prosecuted to the hilt for it. There is no doubt in my mind, those guilty of producing, buying and selling child porn reach far beyond one valley in the U.S. Internet is everywhere. worldwide. I've suspected for a long time people are producing snuff movies. I don't believe for one minute they only buy & sell & produce it in one valley in one state in one country. Fasten your seatbelt because it's going to include a lot more people than just live in Tracy, CA if they decide to go after all of them involved in these vile illegal activities.

yes I agree it is all over, the child porn etc, and I agree people are also into snuff films all over, it is everywhere, but what I am refering to is this specific area because this is where this case is and I see the pattern that always happens in that area. I am talking about something much different here. This is a hotbed for killings and there is a group there doing it. It has been going on for years and years, and I believe melissa got tangled up with some of these people because the patterns are turning out the same. She could just have easily driven sandra far away, but she chose whitehall. she chose to misspell suitcase. She chose sandra for a reason. More should come out that will match up. I have been watching this sinse day one to see if there were a matchable pattern, and the more I watched the more I saw it. I was so glad to see the feds on this immeditately and when the whitehall surfaced that was very telling and then the note is even more telling, the police searching old river and then 11th was very telling. They knew where to look. I and others said the first day she would end up out there in tom paine slough area if they did not get this person. She did. Maybe this will slow these people down.

[lune3]

I totally agree. They wouldn't be even mentioning it if they didn't have the evidence. No doubt they'll prove it in court too.

I agree too. I also think back to what Sheneman said in the PC, the remark "in this case". I bet there is an investigation into other cases that this evil savage was involved with. Including, I fear, molestation of her own daughter.

[kitty1182]

I pray that these acts that are alleged happened after Sandras death. The disgusting world of porn goes deep and as evil and disgusting as this seems, it would be nice to hear that Sandra was not alive when these vile acts happened.

I hope she was drugged and died as an overdose before this took place..

[IlliniFan]

Yeah, I saw her talk too data and I never thought CDL was very bright. There's one profiler on there tho that is, a blonde former ex-FBI profiler. Forget her name. CDL is out of touch for sure on a lot of things.

Pat Brown maybe. I think that's her name. I do like her. imo

[playnice]

Pat Brown maybe. I think that's her name. I do like her. imo

Pat Brown was just on the Mike show on cnn. she called her a psychopath.

[kitty1182]

I totally agree. People talk about hate like it's a bad thing. You bring putrid meat up to your mouth, you smell it's rotten, you hate it. You don't eat it. You're life is spared. ALL emotions are from nature for the purpose of survival.

This filth and evil is no different. What are people willing to do, tolerate everything?

Embrace evil v. hate it. Can't have it both ways.

I would appreciate it if everybody would leave my sig line out of this.
Thanks..

[~jomomma~]

i've been having thoughts about Melissa claiming internal bleeding.

this is making me sick :sad:

i'm thinking in her sick mind, she claimed this but what if......

Melissa raped Sandra with an object and Sandra is the one who had internal bleeding :sad:

[lune3]

You betcha! I noted that distinction too. Anyone who would do this would stop at nothing, I agree.

I even have the sick feeling that she may have molested Sandra before, while drugged, but this time it got violent. I hope I'm wrong. Sandra spent too much time in that house.

[Riverwalk!]

I would appreciate it if everybody would leave my sig line out of this.
Thanks..

Not me. I don't even have that option turned on. I don't see anyone's siggy's. I did at first and then it got a little out of hand. IMO.

[kitty1182]

What I wonder, and what we should all wonder, is just how many children has this happened to at the hands of other women that no one knows about, bc those kids didn't end up dead. My guess is a lot. They are so entrusted with kids and most people are ignorant and/or niave and refuse to expect that a woman would ever do such a thing.

A note to you too..Leave my sig line out of your posts..

[IlliniFan]

i've been having thoughts about Melissa claiming internal bleeding.

this is making me sick :sad:

i'm thinking in her sick mind, she claimed this but what if......

Melissa raped Sandra with an object and Sandra is the one who had internal bleeding :sad:


However, would someone faking an illness end up in ICU? I just think it would be difficult to fool doctors into admitting a well (physically) person into an ICU unit? imo

[aproudmom]

Yes, her Grandmother knew something..... in the interview while she was driving and her husband was in the passenger seat, she was too matter of fact and did not seem distressed for someone she has known her whole life to be missing.

I get sick just hearing about these things when they are people I do not know, never mind, your own child or a close neighbour, it would make it that more upsetting to me IMO. I would not be so matter-of-fact about it, if it were one of my neighbours children that played with my kids, I would be devastated.

JMO

I agee it has really bothered me they show no emotion over a little girl they have known all her life...

[bama__angel]

Pat Brown was just on the Mike show on cnn. she called her a psychopath.



I'm not sure that there is a word or words in our vocabularies that can accurately define what these type of people are (male or female).....IMO

[kitty1182]

I'm not sure that there is a word or words in our vocabularies that can accurately define what these type of people are (male or female).....IMO

Amen to that.....

[LILMANMAX]

Sandra was a striking beauty.
Child porn sickos would love to have pics or film.

I really think this was the motive. There is alot of $ and drugs to be found in that industry.
I believe the authorities know which way this blows and are in the right direction. JMO

Sandra will get the justice she so deserves.

[meadowlark]

i've been having thoughts about Melissa claiming internal bleeding.

this is making me sick :sad:

i'm thinking in her sick mind, she claimed this but what if......

Melissa raped Sandra with an object and Sandra is the one who had internal bleeding :sad:

that very well could be. I thought of that also. Melissa likes to "communicate" the clues to us. this might just be one of them.

[lune3]

However, would someone faking an illness end up in ICU? I just think it would be difficult to fool doctors into admitting a well (physically) person into an ICU unit? imo

She would have been administered an endoscopy. Bleeding ulcers could not have been faked.

[aproudmom]

However, would someone faking an illness end up in ICU? I just think it would be difficult to fool doctors into admitting a well (physically) person into an ICU unit? imo

I am still not convinced it was not a attempted suicide it was the same night that they announced it was Sandra was in there and they reported all of a sudden 3 Ambulances showed up one being for her,..

[lune3]

As if things couldn't get any worse, how on earth can Sandra's mom and grandma deal with this. I'm heartsick for them.

[StickyBeak]

Posting with everyone with regard to Sandra Cantu has certainly brought out many theories and discussion, I have to say the camaradarie we've shared has been remarkable. This is a very sad, sadistic, horrendous murder of a young girl, I pray her death will not be in vain and LE, FBI, will find a link to prosecute any of the sickos out there preying on young children. I hope and pray that any evidence or tips they received are followed though to the full extent of the law. I apologize, earlier I posted mutilation instead of molestation, my mind has gone into the snake pit of humanity following this case.
I had no idea I could imagine what atrocities I would confront in my own minds eye. Hope we can all find some peace within ourselves and for our children/grandchildren. Sorry O/T

Candles for Sandra

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=SC

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[aproudmom]

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

guess we can see if they add to it after her arraignment
Inmate Information
Inmate Detail

[bama__angel]

I am still not convinced it was not a attempted suicide it was the same night that they announced it was Sandra was in there and they reported all of a sudden 3 Ambulances showed up one being for her,..

She was in the hospital from Monday to Thursday.......Do I have the days correct? And was she in ICU for the entire stay?

[kitty1182]

As if things couldn't get any worse, how on earth can Sandra's mom and grandma deal with this. I'm heartsick for them.

Me too lune...I cannot imagine the pain they are feeling.
God bless them......
My heart goes out to them..:sad:

[Riverwalk!]

As if things couldn't get any worse, how on earth can Sandra's mom and grandma deal with this. I'm heartsick for them.

and Grandfather. Earlier today he said he wanted to move. :sad:

[meadowlark]

However, would someone faking an illness end up in ICU? I just think it would be difficult to fool doctors into admitting a well (physically) person into an ICU unit? imo

melissa could very well have ended up in ICU for internal bleeding, but took advantage of that and used it as a way to communicate to someone what had happened. She could just have easily stated a reason why she was in the hospital that explained what was wrong, instead all she said was "internal bleeding".

could be either way but something I am paying attention to ... we will know if the autopsy report is ever unsealed. that might take years though. but something to remember to look at

[IlliniFan]

I am still not convinced it was not a attempted suicide it was the same night that they announced it was Sandra was in there and they reported all of a sudden 3 Ambulances showed up one being for her,..


That makes sense to me..

[kitty1182]

and Grandfather. Earlier today he said he wanted to move. :sad:

:sad::sad:

[GentleBreeze]

I didn't reread the part about additional charges. I wonder if they could be charging someone else in this case? Obstruction....I just don't know...imo

I don't think so. I took it to mean they are looking at other additional charges beside the rape and molestation but I may be wrong.

Himmelblau said prosecutors were considering filing other charges against Huckaby but declined to specify what the additional charges may be.

[kitty1182]

I don't think so. I took it to mean they are looking at other additional charges beside the rape and molestation but I may be wrong.

Himmelblau said prosecutors were considering filing other charges against Huckaby but declined to specify what the additional charges may be.

Wow, what other charges could there possilby be? :sad:

[GentleBreeze]

and Grandfather. Earlier today he said he wanted to move. :sad:

She has shattered so many lives and these people are in their 70s.:sad:

imoo

[Ice Cycle]

I am still not convinced it was not a attempted suicide it was the same night that they announced it was Sandra was in there and they reported all of a sudden 3 Ambulances showed up one being for her,..

Now see I don't think it was a suicide attempt, my first though was she was trying to have for proof that she was not on drugs since maybe she was the day this happened. Ever since I read that she was involved with the Chris guy I have believed she might of been using. And no I don't think it would condone any of it.

[GentleBreeze]

Wow, what other charges could there possibly be? :sad:

With this wicked evil witch I am even afraid to guess.

imo

[lune3]

Remember how the pastor was so skittish and subdued in the car when twice approached by reporters? I wonder if he had awful unspoken suspicions about hints in that household.

[kitty1182]

With this wicked evil witch I am even afraid to guess.

imo

Me too GB..:sad:

[GentleBreeze]

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53

guess we can see if they add to it after her arraignment
Inmate Information
Inmate Detail

Will the media be allowed in during the arraignment?

imo

[playnice]

i've been having thoughts about Melissa claiming internal bleeding.

this is making me sick :sad:

i'm thinking in her sick mind, she claimed this but what if......

Melissa raped Sandra with an object and Sandra is the one who had internal bleeding :sad:

You could very well be right.

[i4doors]

The little girl that MLH drugged 2 months ago when she took her to the "park" aka chuch, and whose mother called police I have heard was actually Sandra. So the molestation may have taken place then and the murder was in revenge for Maria calling police on MLH, as I stated earlier today. Also maybe her April 17th trial date was for that charge. That would explain why this premeditated act on March 27 was planned one day before she sent her own daughter away on "vacation" (aka to hide Madison) with her mother Judy.

Also the fact they LE was still searching the cadillac and other cars owned by sinclair and slayton AFTER MLH was arrested tells me that others are probably involved.

And what do you know about the AMW show and the violent porn using kids? What type of violence was it? Any snuff pics? Does anyone know what AMW say about that?
huh?:scared:

[dinojen]

Fox40 Live Blog at this link ....

There may be a gag order filed for tomorrow's hearing. Also saying Melissa's daughter is with her father & stepmother (Melissa's father & stepmother).

http://www.fox40.com/pages/fox40live_blog

ETA: Sorry, not Melissa's father but the little girl Madison's father & stepmother


Thanks for clarifying that. I was happy she was with Melissa's parents.. now that I learn this.. :rolleyes:

Guy has financial issues... Madison's mother has been trying to collect child support for how long.. and this little girl goes to him...

I wonder if he has even been involved in her life up till now..

:rolleyes:

[IlliniFan]

I don't think so. I took it to mean they are looking at other additional charges beside the rape and molestation but I may be wrong.

Himmelblau said prosecutors were considering filing other charges against Huckaby but declined to specify what the additional charges may be.


OK, Thanks, GB...I can't imagine what the additional charges might be. My thought is Sandra was drugged, but I guess it's too early for the toxicology reports...imo

[bama__angel]

Here's what I don't get...WHERE ARE THEY FINDING THIS STUFF???

I mean are they Googling this information and finding each other's porn stuff that way?

I don't want to think that I am so stupid but to my way of thinking they obviously can't advertise child porn so how???? do these freaks find this stuff?

AND THEN my next question is if they know how to find it and download it then WHY can't police trace it????

With the sophistication of modern technology I can't imagine that the ISP : #'s or something cannot be traced. This is just really bothering me.

I read about that other little girl know as the "Vicki series" and her dad did that to her. LE said it's the most downloaded series of child porn on the internet. How can this be? How can they find it and not get caught?

This is just way out of hand. Need way bigger penalties for these freaks.



These freaks just need to be fried......Sorry if you dont agree with me...This is my opinion only.........These people cannot be repaired.....WE cannot fix what is wrong inside their heads ever......
We need to get laws changed.....and this case is an excellant place for all of us to begin......I want Sandra's death to impact people hard and where they live......

[GentleBreeze]

Remember how the pastor was so skittish and subdued in the car when twice approached by reporters? I wonder if he had awful unspoken suspicions about hints in that household.

He looked scared, nervous and frightened. I think they are an older naive couple and I don't think they had any suspicions about their granddaughter. It is so sad that they opened their hearts,arms and home to her and her child to live with them after Melissa's struggles and she turns around and ruins what little life they both have left.:sad:

imo

[kitty1182]

kitty, I never read your sig line. I'm sorry that you took my talking of human emotions personally. I sure didn't mean anything personal against anyone. I was talking about throughout my whole life people will often say hate is bad. It's a natural emotion for the purpose of survival. New babies stomach hurts, they hate it, they cry, the mother feeds and comforts. Hate is good. No human being would survive the first month after birth without it.

I never bash other posters. I'm sorry that you took my post personally. It most certainly was not directed at you or anyone. I'm stunned and taken aback that you think so.

Read post 424
Read post 439...
I thought you were agreeing with the poster in 424..
My sig line has nothing to do with baby killers.I hope I've been around here long enough for people to know I despise those kinds...

[Riverwalk!]

May have already been posted.....
sorry..if so.

http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx

TY. I have not viewed this before. It's the video with Tony S "Police Believe Huckaby acted ALONE".

[kitty1182]

TY. I have not viewed this before. It's the video with Tony S "Police Believe Huckaby acted ALONE".

I think she did too...Just an evil and disgusting woman.....:cursing:

[Riverwalk!]

Thanks for clarifying that. I was happy she was with Melissa's parents.. now that I learn this.. :rolleyes:

Guy has financial issues... Madison's mother has been trying to collect child support for how long.. and this little girl goes to him...

I wonder if he has even been involved in her life up till now..

:rolleyes:

I thought you might have read the post wrong. Just know most about MH's daughter going to her bio-father is just a rumor, IMO. No "real" source has said this.

Melissa has tried to get support. Shawnee County, Kansas

Case Number: 07R 000079

Petitioner: HUCKABY,MELISSA,, Attorney: ROWE,WARD,,
Respondent: HUCKABY,JOHN,, Attorney: N/A
Division: 13
Next Activity: None
10/17/2007 - IV-D Interstate Information Memo
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
10/17/2007 - COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
10/17/2007 - COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
10/17/2007 - Request for Service filed.
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
10/29/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
12/13/2007 - Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
12/17/2007 - ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
12/20/2007 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
01/02/2008 - Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
01/09/2008 - RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
02/25/2008 - Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
08/25/2008 - Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
09/04/2008 - NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
02/11/2009 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

[dinojen]

KRON is reporting on the "consideration" of additional charges.

The formal charges will be announced tomorrow when she appears at 1 PM.

[meadowlark]

Here's what I don't get...WHERE ARE THEY FINDING THIS STUFF???

I mean are they Googling this information and finding each other's porn stuff that way?

I don't want to think that I am so stupid but to my way of thinking they obviously can't advertise child porn so how???? do these freaks find this stuff?

AND THEN my next question is if they know how to find it and download it then WHY can't police trace it????

With the sophistication of modern technology I can't imagine that the ISP : #'s or something cannot be traced. This is just really bothering me.

I read about that other little girl know as the "Vicki series" and her dad did that to her. LE said it's the most downloaded series of child porn on the internet. How can this be? How can they find it and not get caught?

This is just way out of hand. Need way bigger penalties for these freaks.


its not just porn it is child stealing and child trafficking. No one will admit all of this is going on so no one realizes it, so no one takes precautions to not have it happen. this stuff is HUGE...and yes it is all over the net. there are many code words for this stuff, and if you hang out in a room of these people for awhile they will invite you to rooms, then if you hang out longer you go deeper in. a lot of this stuff is overseas where they do nothing, once you get involved with them then they know who they can trust. They also have rings that have been associated for decades, they know who is who.

Then you have people who get them out of the mess if they are caught. Don't kid yourself, very upstanding people involved in this stuff. You would be shocked. sunday school teacher is nothing compared to some of these people.

But above and beyond all that you have people who don't do these things just for porn. You have all the snuff films. Then you have these crazy quasi-religious people who think they are doing the world and the afterlife a great favor by killing people. Does LE address this stuff, rarely. They don't want the public to know they basically have whacked out serial killers all over and they certainly do not want the public to know they are a group of them who work together. But the group does exist, and there are a lot of this group right there in tracy and the central valley. Tracy and the outskirts of it is there main stomping ground in california. Are they going to admit this? probably not. Do they know? They have to know. You can predict these cases everytime they are on one of them. They know what to look for, where to look and what to keep quiet. I've watched to much of this over the years. I see it. You know they have to.

[aproudmom]

She was in the hospital from Monday to Thursday.......Do I have the days correct? And was she in ICU for the entire stay?

yeah It would have been late Monday what ever time it was when they announced the body was in there..

This is not a fact but I seen someone say they heard she may have took something not so sure I believe that since she did have a few days out of the hospital if she wanted to commit suicide

she said internal bleeding her father said a ulcer, so not sure what happened..It was said she took blood thinners so I looked up the meds today and its said not to take if you have the below..
not saying it is true but they did have her being watched in hospital
You have a stomach ulcer or other stomach problems.

well am off here for awhile...see ya all later..

[Ice Cycle]

I thought you might have read the post wrong. Just know most about MH's daughter going to her bio-father is just a rumor, IMO. No "real" source has said this.

Melissa has tried to get support. Shawnee County, Kansas

Case Number: 07R 000079

Petitioner: HUCKABY,MELISSA,, Attorney: ROWE,WARD,,
Respondent: HUCKABY,JOHN,, Attorney: N/A
Division: 13
Next Activity: None
10/17/2007 - IV-D Interstate Information Memo
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST INCOME WITHHOLDING FILED
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED
10/17/2007 - COPY OF MINUTES AND ORDER FOR JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF JUDGMENT
10/17/2007 - COPY OF AFFIDAVIT OF ACCRUED ARREARS
10/17/2007 - COPY OF ADDRESS INFORMATION REQUEST
10/17/2007 - Request for Service filed.
10/17/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION issued as to JOHN HUCKABY personal service to the Sheriff of SHAWNEE County, KS.
10/29/2007 - NOTICE OF INTENT IWO,NOTICE OF REGISTRATION returned, personal service - as to JOHN HUCKABY 10/25/07 . Entered by 1153.
12/13/2007 - Order to Withhold Income for Child Support - JDJ
12/17/2007 - ORDER CONFIRMING REGISTRATION OF FOREIGN SUPPORT ORDER FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES ONLY FILED - JDJ
12/20/2007 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.
01/02/2008 - Notice of assignment of support rights filed IV-D AFDC.
01/09/2008 - RENEWAL AFFIDAVIT FILED
02/25/2008 - Removed from active docket on 12/17/07.
08/25/2008 - Case transfered Div 04 to Div 13,New Judicial Assignment.NEP
09/04/2008 - NOTICE OF AN ORDER TO WITHHOLD INCOME FOR CHILD SUPPORT FILED
02/11/2009 - Notice to Withhold Income for Child Support.

Well sometimes those child support orders aren't always how they appear as use to run credit checks. A lot of time when they raise support they will back date it (if or to that person had a raise in pay) and if that person doesn't have the lump sum then they will ordered a certain amount taken out of their check periodically in addition to their regular amount.

[Janz]

I agee it has really bothered me they show no emotion over a little girl they have known all her life...

I just feel so very bad for little Sandra`s family and now most especially with all this latest horrible news of her death. Proudmom, thank you so very much for all your hard work with the links.

Has anyone else noticed that MH looks an awful lot like John Couey? Distubing.....

[kitty1182]

I just feel so very bad for little Sandra`s family and now most especially with all this latest horrible news of her death. Proudmom, thank you so very much for all your hard work with the links.

Has anyone else noticed that MH looks an awful lot like John Couey? Distubing.....

Gosh, you are right.:scared:

[mandi3020]

I've been lurking here for a bit, but had to post now. I'm mortified by what happened to little Sandra. What are we going to do to protect our children?! These sicko people out roaming around, living next door to children have got to be STOPPED! My daughter just found out she is having a baby. This will be my first grandchild, and although it is not much bigger than a peanut right now, I'm scared to death of the world this sweetheart will be born into. Presently my daughter and her hubby live just a few doors down from a RSO. Thank God they are moving next month. They live in a different state than I do, for now....I see me relocating very soon....

RIP Sandra :rose:

[Riverwalk!]

Well sometimes those child support orders aren't always how they appear as use to run credit checks. A lot of time when they raise support they will back date it (if or to that person had a raise in pay) and if that person doesn't have the lump sum then they will ordered a certain amount taken out of their check periodically in addition to their regular amount.

I have no clue what you just said/typed. LOL.

[Ice Cycle]

KRON is reporting on the "consideration" of additional charges.

The formal charges will be announced tomorrow when she appears at 1 PM.

I assume that is 1:00 pt?

[Riverwalk!]

I assume that is 1:00 pt?

1:30 pm in Manteca, California

[Janz]

Gosh, you are right.:scared:

They showed a different pic of her on one of the news programs and she didn`t look like this mug shot. The mug shot one, made me look away for a moment, then it hit me......John Couey.

[bama__angel]

yeah It would have been late Monday what ever time it was when they announced the body was in there..

This is not a fact but I seen someone say they heard she may have took something not so sure I believe that since she did have a few days out of the hospital if she wanted to commit suicide

she said internal bleeding her father said a ulcer, so not sure what happened..It was said she took blood thinners so I looked up the meds today and its said not to take if you have the below..
not saying it is true but they did have her being watched in hospital
You have a stomach ulcer or other stomach problems.

well am off here for awhile...see ya all later..


I would believe blood thinners coumadin or heparin.......but I think that she would have had to stsrt taking it as soon as she killed Sandra.....maybe that was a back up plan for her....I dont know...

[v8433]

I've been lurking here for a bit, but had to post now. I'm mortified by what happened to little Sandra. What are we going to do to protect our children?! These sicko people out roaming around, living next door to children have got to be STOPPED! My daughter just found out she is having a baby. This will be my first grandchild, and although it is not much bigger than a peanut right now, I'm scared to death of the world this sweetheart will be born into. Presently my daughter and her hubby live just a few doors down from a RSO. Thank God they are moving next month. They live in a different state than I do, for now....I see me relocating very soon....

RIP Sandra :rose:

Welcome to the board, mandi3020..

I have 2 grandkids, and believe me, I worry every day..

[kitty1182]

I've been lurking here for a bit, but had to post now. I'm mortified by what happened to little Sandra. What are we going to do to protect our children?! These sicko people out roaming around, living next door to children have got to be STOPPED! My daughter just found out she is having a baby. This will be my first grandchild, and although it is not much bigger than a peanut right now, I'm scared to death of the world this sweetheart will be born into. Presently my daughter and her hubby live just a few doors down from a RSO. Thank God they are moving next month. They live in a different state than I do, for now....I see me relocating very soon....

RIP Sandra :rose:

Hello and Welcome and Congrats! :smile:

[kitty1182]

They showed a different pic of her on one of the news programs and she didn`t look like this mug shot. The mug shot one, made me look away for a moment, then it hit me......John Couey.

After you mentioned that , I had to go look at the mug shot again and you are right..lol

[Themis]

Yes, her Grandmother knew something..... in the interview while she was driving and her husband was in the passenger seat, she was too matter of fact and did not seem distressed for someone she has known her whole life to be missing.

I get sick just hearing about these things when they are people I do not know, never mind, your own child or a close neighbour, it would make it that more upsetting to me IMO. I would not be so matter-of-fact about it, if it were one of my neighbours children that played with my kids, I would be devastated.

JMO
I agree with you, Facinated. In that very early (poor quality) video Melissa's grandmother demeanor and answers were so...so...just conversational. I found Grandmother Lawless to be very strange. Her vocal responses were as casual as if she had just been to a yard sale. Not at all like someone who has heard simply horrible about a young neighbor child--and one who came often to her mobile home to play with her great grandchild. [JMO * Themis]

[jammies]

These new charges do NOT surprise me one bit. Remember the other night when her father was on TV saying how much "Melissa loooooooved kids?" and other relatives said the same thing and some even repeated it. I thought to myself, 'I bet she did.' and not in the way they were meaning it. Typical of child molesters. They love being around kids, some even "fall in love with them." Happens to men and it happens to women.


I think that is exactly what was going on here, angel. I think she had inappropriate feelings for this little girl......from there...........came horror. I don't think MH is involved in some "ring" sending messages or whatever. She's not that bright.

[Janz]

After you mentioned that , I had to go look at the mug shot again and you are right..lol

Lord, Lord, what a monster!! maybe Sandra`s case will shed light on the fact that there are many female molesters of children!! Seems children are safe no place now, not even in their own home.:sad:

[kitty1182]

It's got EVERYTHING to do with it Kitty. Think about it. Child molesters are not rehabilitatable. They need to lock them up for good after FIRST offense. PERIOD. Instead of waiting til they've raped 700-1000 kids (on average) and then turn to killing to shut them up!!!!!!!!!

Just don't think my sig line has anything to do with baby killings..
Don't use my sig line anymore..TIA

[meadowlark]

Nah, I seriously doubt it. She probably just dumped the body there bc it was convenient and on a remote dead end street and police arent releasing other street name to keep the crime scene intact and gawkers away.


I know it sounds bizarre and unbelieveable. This is why no one pays attention to it. I have been following this cases for years, there is a group of people who do this. I very much suspect she is doing it also. I have more clues than this, but I will sit and wait and see what happens. It is following right along the pattern of what they do.
I suspect the feds knew it right off. This is why they were out at Old River and also south at 11th. I hope Melissa just speaks up and tells it all. Of they might choose to not let her. Would not be the first person they would not allow talk or ship them off to some mental institution and no one ever hears from them again. Hopefully the Tracy police will not let this all be swept under the rug as just some woman child molester who killed the child.

[dinojen]

I assume that is 1:00 pt?

Yes.. I'll check in the morning and see if they are going to have a reporter there.. I'm sure they will as he was with the DA for awhile today getting the current info about considering additional charges.

[KittyMom]

With the news about the charges I do hope LE has talked with Madison to see if she's been abused. And I'd still like to hear from the exhusband to see what his impression of Melissa is. I just can't believe how sick some people are.

[VC2]

I really wonder about her background. Not so much that i think the family members bear any responsibility, but many very devout families are unable to see mental illness in anyone, they put it all down to not enough trust in god, or the devils work.

I do think that she is a very sick woman, probably has been for a long time. That does not in any way excuse her actions, in fact i don't even think she is ill to the extent that i do do in some (jeffrey dahmer for example i thought really was insane).

The whole family is so devout, given their working at the different ministries, i think they completely missed any signs of psychiatric illness that might have gotten her treatment. I am not saying she would have not done this anyway but its possible. Also not saying that it is any sort of excuse.

[dinojen]

I assume that is 1:00 pt?

Just check San Joaquin Jail website..

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Department: Stockton Courthouse Department: Z

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53


Will check KRON in the morning and see if they have the same info.

[Ice Cycle]

I have no clue what you just said/typed. LOL.

Gosh I though it was pretty clear. Was referring to the ex husband's
child support order and payroll deduction that someone posted.
I thought that was you who posted it but maybe not.

[StickyBeak]

Oh I so hope they are still investigating this and hope they arrest more people for more cases. Those of us who have been watching these cases for years are sick and tired of trying to say something and people think we are nuts. I hope all of this becomes public. Ignoring these kinds of things and pretending they don't happen has gone on long enough. I say dig and dig and dig up everyone in that valley connected to this mess. I think they public can handle what is going on moreso than they can sit and wonder what is going on. When cases like this have no answers people can't phathom what is going on, if they would just put it out there for the world to see maybe people would pay attention and less of this would be going on.

ML, I am so far behind, but I think you are right on the Money, Truely, I would pray you and I are wrong. This has been going on forever, right in front of our blind eyes, We don't want to admit this world is that evil. Why can't our children/grandchildren play safe outside a few blocks from home, we may as well attach bungie cords to them. We are already connected with 2way, cell phones, home camera, the reason being ? Fear..... These predators are our trusted friends/neighbors/ice cream man/ karate/boy scouts/priests/teachers and now a sunday (church) school teacher presumed. Evil pure evil.
We want so much to believe in the good outweighing the bad in this society, it has become impossible IMO. Think, just being asked a simple question of where you live now invokes suspiscion of the person asking. I think Paranoia strikes deep in this day and age, whether we know it or not, we have no choice. Just read these boards.

JMO

[Riverwalk!]

Gosh I though it was pretty clear. Was referring to the ex husband's
child support order and payroll deduction that someone posted.
I thought that was you who posted it but maybe not.

I posted it, but didn't understand your "reasoning" or whatever. Nevermind.

Off for the night.

[VC2]

I just feel so very bad for little Sandra`s family and now most especially with all this latest horrible news of her death. Proudmom, thank you so very much for all your hard work with the links.

Has anyone else noticed that MH looks an awful lot like John Couey? Distubing.....

the new picture of her, she is a gorgeous looking woman. she "looks" like the young mother of the year she was voted in the pre school class.

I know that looks don't mean a thing but i found the new pic of her in a normal situation really disturbing. This is not a woman that you would feel nervous of without very good reason. The mug shot is ugly, not only is it a bad pic (and most mug shots are) but its at a weird angle. If they ever needed to use it to find her after an escape attempt no one would recognize her

imo

[Ice Cycle]

Just check San Joaquin Jail website..

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Department: Stockton Courthouse Department: Z

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53


Will check KRON in the morning and see if they have the same info.

Ok, Thanks

[Ice Cycle]

the new picture of her, she is a gorgeous looking woman. she "looks" like the young mother of the year she was voted in the pre school class.

I know that looks don't mean a thing but i found the new pic of her in a normal situation really disturbing. This is not a woman that you would feel nervous of without very good reason. The mug shot is ugly, not only is it a bad pic (and most mug shots are) but its at a weird angle. If they ever needed to use it to find her after an escape attempt no one would recognize her

imo

Yes kind of like most people's driver's license.

[Riverwalk!]

Just check San Joaquin Jail website..

Next Court Date: 04/14/2009 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Department: Stockton Courthouse Department: Z

http://207.104.50.87/WhosInCustody/InmateDetails.aspx?ID=DAF0723370D288C6624A70077952 33ED2EAD0C27289C93EB37E3E3935AF77065CF16B412EA88CA ECE6BC53


Will check KRON in the morning and see if they have the same info.

Sgt. Tony S. said on a video (posted by Alwill #531) that it will be 1:30 pm in Manteca, California.

[GentleBreeze]

The thing that shakes me to the core is how naive people are. No offense to you at all Stella Rose (beautiful name btw) but seriously most people are really clueless and dangerously so if they don't think women do this. The killing part is the only unusual part but not the molesting. They just rarely get caught. And so no one ever suspects them, they continue to put their trust them with their kids and so the cycle continues.

I am really beginning to believe you are right. We are so busy putting out there that men should be feared, that children need to stay away from strangers and again, we mostly mean men when we do and I now wonder just how many of these unsolved crimes are that way because LE has tunnel vision the male must be the perpetrator.

Really who is entrusted more with children? Why women of course and everyone knows that and it sets up a perfect setting to be the sweet, caring, doting "appearing" female who really may be nothing but a sickening piece of crap that preys on little children's innocence.

Is MH really the first female to do this horrid, vile and despicable thing, including murder? Imo, I don't think so, she may be just one of the first to be caught. Even in the criminal justice system, female pedophiles do not get near the sentence a male gets for a same like crime...heck some get no time at all but just probation.

imo

[AmndaRcknwth]

They showed a different pic of her on one of the news programs and she didn`t look like this mug shot. The mug shot one, made me look away for a moment, then it hit me......John Couey.


I had the same thought. The girls look similar as well.

Look at the comparisons.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/023-1.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/029-1.jpg

[Ice Cycle]

I posted it, but didn't understand your "reasoning" or whatever. Nevermind.

Off for the night.

Well not that it matters just that sometimes because it is being deducted out of payroll it appears that they are not paying or deadbeat My point was only that is not always true just the way the court system does things and sometimes it is.
Moving On

[GentleBreeze]

"Other charges" could be for other perps involved in the rape and molestation.

The article said other charges against Huckaby. They had already mentioned the possible rape charge and molestation charges.

imo

[Janz]

the new picture of her, she is a gorgeous looking woman. she "looks" like the young mother of the year she was voted in the pre school class.

I know that looks don't mean a thing but i found the new pic of her in a normal situation really disturbing. This is not a woman that you would feel nervous of without very good reason. The mug shot is ugly, not only is it a bad pic (and most mug shots are) but its at a weird angle. If they ever needed to use it to find her after an escape attempt no one would recognize her

imo

Sorry to be so slow in answering, but have had so many tabs going today, my computer is really complaining....... Yes, the other pics look nothing like that mug shot.

[dinojen]

Sgt. Tony S. said on a video (posted by Alwill #531) that it will be 1:30 pm in Manteca, California.

Formal charges have not yet been filed against Huckaby. A final decision on which special circumstances to include has not been made, Himmelblau said. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Stockton.

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1028/reftab/36/t/Prosecutors-Considering-Rape-and-Molestation-Charges-in-Tracy-Murder-Case/Default.aspx

Might of changed it to Stockton due to the interest in the case.. Manteca is not a very large town.. so I can see where they might change it to Stockton.

Will check in the morning..but from all accounts I have read it will be tomorrow afternoon in Stockton...

Will verify in the morning..

Might of ch

[IlliniFan]

Sorry to be so slow in answering, but have had so many tabs going today, my computer is really complaining....... Yes, the other pics look nothing like that mug shot.

Where are the other pictures posted..curiosity....tia

[dinojen]

Well not that it matters just that sometimes because it is being deducted out of payroll it appears that they are not paying or deadbeat My point was only that is not always true just the way the court system does things and sometimes it is.
Moving On

I have done payroll for years.. and you have no idea how many guys we have quit their jobs when the child support orders roll in... it's disgusting IMO.. Everytime if I have the opportunity and CS wants to know where they went.. I tell them..:angry:

Madison's dad obviously doesn't care to pay for her well being...

[GentleBreeze]

Formal charges have not yet been filed against Huckaby. A final decision on which special circumstances to include has not been made, Himmelblau said. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Stockton.

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1028/reftab/36/t/Prosecutors-Considering-Rape-and-Molestation-Charges-in-Tracy-Murder-Case/Default.aspx

Might of changed it to Stockton due to the interest in the case.. Manteca is not a very large town.. so I can see where they might change it to Stockton.

Will check in the morning..but from all accounts I have read it will be tomorrow afternoon in Stockton...

Will verify in the morning..

Might of ch

So it seems they ARE going to include special circumstances they just don't know which ones yet.

A final decision on which special circumstances to include has not been made, Himmelblau said. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Stockton.

imo

[StickyBeak]

KRON is reporting on the "consideration" of additional charges.

The formal charges will be announced tomorrow when she appears at 1 PM.

Choking here, thats why PIO said no more release, all would be revealed at arraignment (paraphrasing). That poor man looked devastated IMO. I pity what LE had to uncover and reveal to Sandra's Mother. This is pure horror, beyond nightmare, I though CaseyA was the eppitomy of darkness. These chicks must party together in the Devils Den, something possessed whatever souls they have if any. JMO

[Janz]

Where are the other pictures posted..curiosity....tia

I have been googling different places by typing in Sandra Cantu.

[Janz]

You are all right about the two separate pictures of MH. WOW. Those pictures look like two completely different people.

Frame of mind can do that I suppose. I don't believe in demonic possession but I'm thinking this is about as close to it as it gets. She truly looks like she's transformed into a different person in that arrest photo.

Split personality?

MH may indeed be one of the rare child killers who actually act alone.

I'm on the edge of my seat to read more about what she's saying in jail.

I also am so glad to read the part about how she is eligible for the death penalty. She chose the death penalty for Sandra so she obviously believes in it.

I doubt highly that she will receive the DP sentence and have it carried out because every forensic psychologist in the country is going to want to interview her.

I agree, Charlie.

[dinojen]

Choking here, thats why PIO said no more release, all would be revealed at arraignment (paraphrasing). That poor man looked devastated IMO. I pity what LE had to uncover and reveal to Sandra's Mother. This is pure horror, beyond nightmare, I though CaseyA was the eppitomy of darkness. These chicks must party together in the Devils Den, something possessed whatever souls they have if any. JMO


One of the many reasons my husband is no longer a police officer.. got to be too much.. and he was young in his late twenties when he left.. the kids that died.. just devastated him:sad:

[Ice Cycle]

I have done payroll for years.. and you have no idea how many guys we have quit their jobs when the child support orders roll in... it's disgusting IMO.. Everytime if I have the opportunity and CS wants to know where they went.. I tell them..:angry:

Madison's dad obviously doesn't care to pay for her well being...


Well I know a lot don't pay but for some it just appears that way on paper but isn't when verified with the courts.

[Themis]

Formal charges have not yet been filed against Huckaby. A final decision on which special circumstances to include has not been made, Himmelblau said. Huckaby is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday in Stockton.

http://www.kron.com/News/ArticleView/tabid/298/smid/1126/ArticleID/1028/reftab/36/t/Prosecutors-Considering-Rape-and-Molestation-Charges-in-Tracy-Murder-Case/Default.aspx

Might of changed it to Stockton due to the interest in the case.. Manteca is not a very large town.. so I can see where they might change it to Stockton.

Will check in the morning..but from all accounts I have read it will be tomorrow afternoon in Stockton...

Will verify in the morning..

Might of ch
Moving the arraignment to Stockton is something I have expected. I believe the trial will be held in Stockton as well. As you said, Dinojen, Manteca is not very large and the media interest in this is--and will continue to be-- huge. Stockton, being the largest city in San Joaquin County, is the logical place for the trial to accommodate all the media people who will need lodging, food, media services, etc.
[JMO * Themis]

[kitty1182]

I've extended goodwill and explanation that I didn't owe you. Do whatever you please with it.

Accepted..........

[sunstar]

Nancy Grace is talking about Sandra's murder. :crying:

[kitty1182]

Choking here, thats why PIO said no more release, all would be revealed at arraignment (paraphrasing). That poor man looked devastated IMO. I pity what LE had to uncover and reveal to Sandra's Mother. This is pure horror, beyond nightmare, I though CaseyA was the eppitomy of darkness. These chicks must party together in the Devils Den, something possessed whatever souls they have if any. JMO

I agree..She has the OC beat!

[datagal]

Does anyone know how to find out if there are any other missing children from that area? I am not sure how to search that.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Where are the other pictures posted..curiosity....tia

I collected them from a news site, but not sure which one.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/

She looks "pretty" and "normal" in her regular pics, but they all do. Look how "nice" Casey looks in pics with Caylee, but she left the baby to rot.

[FrankieBones1]

I've only seen one photo of Melissa Huckaby. It looks like a mugshot. Is there another photo that has surfaced?

[datagal]

I've only seen one photo of Melissa Huckaby. It looks like a mugshot. Is there another photo that has surfaced?

Yes it was in several news stories today. Standing in front of a xmas tree. The post above yours has saved them to photobucket. Click her link.

[StickyBeak]

I've been lurking here for a bit, but had to post now. I'm mortified by what happened to little Sandra. What are we going to do to protect our children?! These sicko people out roaming around, living next door to children have got to be STOPPED! My daughter just found out she is having a baby. This will be my first grandchild, and although it is not much bigger than a peanut right now, I'm scared to death of the world this sweetheart will be born into. Presently my daughter and her hubby live just a few doors down from a RSO. Thank God they are moving next month. They live in a different state than I do, for now....I see me relocating very soon....

RIP Sandra :rose:

Welcome Mandi,
I remember my Mum used to say Thank God I don't have to raise children, while I was raising mine. I think this has gone on many years, swept under the rug, a funny uncle, no one wanted to confront the obvious, unspeakable. I really am sorry for your fears, we have all confronted something in each generation, somehow it will be alright.
Glad you stopped in to post with us, don't stop it feels better to vent.

[sunstar]

I've only seen one photo of Melissa Huckaby. It looks like a mugshot. Is there another photo that has surfaced?

Here, Frankie! :smile:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30189234/

[kitty1182]

I've only seen one photo of Melissa Huckaby. It looks like a mugshot. Is there another photo that has surfaced?

She has a pic a poster just posted on here.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/

[VC2]

LKL covering it now, including an act4ress who was molested by her female babysitter

[FrankieBones1]

Yes it was in several news stories today. Standing in front of a xmas tree. The post above yours has saved them to photobucket. Click her link.

Thanks, I just found it. It looks nothing like her mug shot.

[VC2]

You are all right about the two separate pictures of MH. WOW. Those pictures look like two completely different people.

Frame of mind can do that I suppose. I don't believe in demonic possession but I'm thinking this is about as close to it as it gets. She truly looks like she's transformed into a different person in that arrest photo.

Split personality?

MH may indeed be one of the rare child killers who actually act alone.

I'm on the edge of my seat to read more about what she's saying in jail.

I also am so glad to read the part about how she is eligible for the death penalty. She chose the death penalty for Sandra so she obviously believes in it.

I doubt highly that she will receive the DP sentence and have it carried out because every forensic psychologist in the country is going to want to interview her.

In one sense charlie if she gets LWOP i will be happy. She is one for the books, and yes women have done it before but all the circumstances here -that it was a friend of her daughter, the no history- make it unique. I think the forensic psychs can learn a lot and it may take years before she is willing to talk.

MPD is a very rare diagnosis but it does exist, I have to admit my first thought at the two pics was exactly that. However in real mpd there would be far more of a blank about what happened, rather than lie after lie. They might lie to make up a reson why something happened they have no knowledge of, but she seems to have had more actual info which an mpd patient wouldn't. That said there is an outside chance that the alter was in control since the crime. It certainly would be a big enough event to keep the base personality underneath.

I just don't think its the answer here. Whatever the answer is, it will teach LE everywhere if she can be convinced to talk.

[VC2]

Sheneman just confirmed DA told LE that charges will be abduction, murder, rape and lewd/lascivious.

:angry:

[KittyMom]

http://cbs13.com/local/Manteca.Woman.Mistaken.2.984050.html

But even Melissa admits that the similarities are strange. They're both 28-years-old, Sunday school teachers, and at a quick glance resemble each other. Also, Melissa 'Lawless' Huckaby is accused of killing the eight-year-old playmate of her five-year-old daughter, and Melissa has two daughters who are eight-years-old and five-years-old.


This poor woman.

[islandgirl36542]

:crying: the video's of the suitcast over & over shown on the news is so heart wrenching ~ It's hard for me No I cant imagine what the mother is going through, MY GOD! it breaks my heart knowing there is a child Sandra Cantu is was only 8-years-old & is folded up dead in that suitcase & Now we learn she was Raped with some object....not just murdered by going to sleep from some drug overdose, Sandra Cantu was Tortured! before her precious innocent skipping around the neighborhood life was taken! WTH!!! This Beast POS Melissa doesnt deserve to be breathing air right now! I so agree with the FBI~ Study this pos like its a rabid dog!

Prayers with Sandra Cantu's Family & Friends...:rose:

[MrLucky917B]

Thanks, I just found it. It looks nothing like her mug shot.

Same with driver's license photo's

[sunstar]

Sheneman just confirmed DA told LE that charges will be abduction, murder, rape and lewd/lascivious.

:angry:

Only an evil monster could do that to an innocent child. :flamemad: I still could understand it a little more if the perp was a man, even though it's still sick & disgusting, but a woman with a "foreign object"? :flamemad: MOO

[StickyBeak]

One of the many reasons my husband is no longer a police officer.. got to be too much.. and he was young in his late twenties when he left.. the kids that died.. just devastated him:sad:

I can't imagine his sorrow. I have a friend, a woman who worked in rape/juvenile crime, she won't even watch tv. I can't talk to her or ask a question, she want only to forget the horror. Takes alot out of a person, changes your outlook, trust go by the wayside. JMO
I also do payroll, the court orders for b/child support deductions usually send them to bankrupsy court or missing in action. Can't tell you how many EOY W'2 returned. I guess they feel kids are throwaways, let the gov. take care of it, no responsibility.

Kudos to your Hub.
Great posting with you.

[playnice]

http://cbs13.com/local/Manteca.Woman.Mistaken.2.984050.html



This poor woman.

So this is where the story came from that she had 2 kids. Someone got their melissas mixed up.

[girlspell]

:crying: the video's of the suitcast over & over shown on the news is so heart wrenching ~ It's hard for me No I cant imagine what the mother is going through, MY GOD! it breaks my heart knowing there is a child Sandra Cantu is was only 8-years-old & is folded up dead in that suitcase & Now we learn she was Raped with some object....not just murdered by going to sleep from some drug overdose, Sandra Cantu was Tortured! before her precious innocent skipping around the neighbor life was taken! WTH!!! This Beast POS Melissa doesnt deserve to be breathing air right now! I so agree with the FBI~ Study this pos like its a rabid dog!

Prayers with Sandra Cantu's Family & Friends...:rose:

They keep on saying Sunday School Teacher. She was only one for a few months. Probably getting the job because of her family. She has been our of work since getting fired several years ago. Up to this point, She has been a convicted felon with A police record. Not a good back ground check for an aspiring Sunday school teacher

[Tokyo Rose]

So she is a child predictor. She raped the little girl with an object?
Unbelievable.:sad:

[sunstar]

They keep on saying Sunday School Teacher. She was only one for a few months. Probably getting the job because of her family. She has been our of work since getting fired several years ago. Up to this point, She has been a convicted felon with A police record. Not a good back ground check for an aspiring Sunday school teacher

Certainly not a good background check! And isn't the membership something like 15 people? It's not like she had a lot of kids to be the Sunday school teacher for either, or like she was doing it as a full time "job". I think it's misleading too. MOO

[kitty1182]

Only an evil monster could do that to an innocent child. :flamemad: I still could understand it a little more if the perp was a man, even though it's still sick & disgusting, but a woman with a "foreign object"? :flamemad: MOO

I just can't wrap my mind around it.:angry:

[sunstar]

I just can't wrap my mind around it.:angry:

It really is beyond comprehension to me. And now I so wonder about her own little girl. :crying:

[oodi]

They keep on saying Sunday School Teacher. She was only one for a few months. Probably getting the job because of her family. She has been our of work since getting fired several years ago. Up to this point, She has been a convicted felon with A police record. Not a good back ground check for an aspiring Sunday school teacher


It makes for a better headline though, which is what the media is looking for.

[kitty1182]

It really is beyond comprehension to me. And now I so wonder about her own little girl. :crying:

Me too.I wonder if she did things to her..:sad:

[IlliniFan]

I collected them from a news site, but not sure which one.


http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sandra%20Cantu/

She looks "pretty" and "normal" in her regular pics, but they all do. Look how "nice" Casey looks in pics with Caylee, but she left the baby to rot.


Thank-you...she does look different. I appreciate all of the pictures....

[Ice Cycle]

Certainly not a good background check! And isn't the membership something like 15 people? It's not like she had a lot of kids to be the Sunday school teacher for either, or like she was doing it as a full time "job". I think it's misleading too. MOO

Yes but what I was thinking is alot of times parents send their children to Sunday School and church and don't go their self. Many of those churches have school buses that go around and pick them up. So she could of had more in SS than they had members.
What I had asked earlier is about Sandra's grandfather saying they had planned to go to church and a movie. Why would they be going to a church on a Friday night unless some event was planned?

[kitty1182]

Yes but what I was thinking is alot of times parents send their children to Sunday School and church and don't go their self. Many of those churches have school buses that go around and pick them up. So she could of had more in SS than they had members.
What I had asked earlier is about Sandra's grandfather saying they had planned to go to church and a movie. Why would they be going to a church on a Friday night unless some event was planned?

I'm thinking maybe something to do with Easter things?:confused:

[MrLucky917B]

I just have to say this: How can I help but instantly wonder, is this more of Casey Anthony's fallout? Will this Melissa also sue, as her good name is being dragged through the mud, is this their attempt at a quick buck and publicity as well?

I'm sure there are PLENTY of melissa huckaby's that is a very common name.

I don't think ZG's attorney has an office in Cali, besides who would he sue?

[dinojen]

It makes for a better headline though, which is what the media is looking for.

Headlines sell..

Am definately not defending this woman... but who in their right mind believes that a Sunday school teacher is a full time job, I read where it was a volunteer job. Years ago I taught catechism classes... all volunteer.. I think the media gave her the label of Sunday School teacher and everyone ran with it.. more than likely it was a volunteer job.

Don't get me wrong.. I don't condone anything what this woman has done.. it's to bizarre to even attempt to believe... but I will wait till the evidence is presented before I condemn her to death.

I find it so odd that there is nothing in this woman's background that would even suggest she could do this.. what made her do it.. why.. there has to be a reason.. JMHO

[sunstar]

Yes but what I was thinking is alot of times parents send their children to Sunday School and church and don't go their self. Many of those churches have school buses that go around and pick them up. So she could of had more in SS than they had members.
What I had asked earlier is about Sandra's grandfather saying they had planned to go to church and a movie. Why would they be going to a church on a Friday night unless some event was planned?

I've never heard anybody explain what that was either. Was the movie part of a church function or totally separate? I understand though that Sandra's family don't attend that church, so maybe something else at her own church. MOO

[VC2]

Only an evil monster could do that to an innocent child. :flamemad: I still could understand it a little more if the perp was a man, even though it's still sick & disgusting, but a woman with a "foreign object"? :flamemad: MOO

At least with a man, there is some understanding that they are getting sexual release, sick enough to be attracted to children some even think they love them and are loved back. Very sick but understandable in a way. most, not all but most care for their victims in a twisted way. It is really more a psycho sexual orientation rather than something violent in their minds. Exceptions obviously.

In this case the only sexual fulfillment would be only sadistic as opposed to physical. It makes it almost impossible to fathom She makes Couey look like a nice guy. :cursing:

[cutiepatootie61]

My God, hearing all this it is no wonder that Sandra's mother could barely breathe the other morning on the TV. I wonder if she knew all this then? I suspect this has come out tonight because it was bound to be released tomorrow?

I am just heartsick over this, truly my heart hurts for this child and her family left behind to deal with the reality this POS Melissa has forced upon them.

That church should be burned down. I cannot imagine anyone finding serenity in there knowing what happend to this baby.

[StickyBeak]

http://cbs13.com/local/Manteca.Woman.Mistaken.2.984050.html



This poor woman.

This is insane! Mirrors of ZFG, calling M&M.... not funny. The press really scaped the barrel on this one IMO Truly the facts in this case have been all over the board, I bit on a few totally unsubstansiated. JMO

We knew she had to be suffereing, just her myspace.
My heart goes out to her.

[For Gabriel]

http://cbs13.com/local/Manteca.Woman.Mistaken.2.984050.html



This poor woman.

Can you imagine the hell she has been through?

[kitty1182]

Can you imagine the hell she has been through?

I cannot......I feel so sorry for her:sad:

[Ice Cycle]

I'm thinking maybe something to do with Easter things?:confused:
Well you can be sure that Sandra's sister was questioned about this by LE if that is the church they and the grandfather were referring to. That part like so many they have not made very clear as if it was another church and some event, why did they not go?
Just thinking.

[sunstar]

At least with a man, there is some understanding that they are getting sexual release, sick enough to be attracted to children some even think they love them and are loved back. Very sick but understandable in a way. most, not all but most care for their victims in a twisted way. It is really more a psycho sexual orientation rather than something violent in their minds. Exceptions obviously.

In this case the only sexual fulfillment would be only sadistic as opposed to physical. It makes it almost impossible to fathom She makes Couey look like a nice guy. :cursing:

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking when I said it would be more understandable if it were a man who was the perp, not in any way meaning to diminish crimes committed by men ~ but ~ this is just sadistic torture, imo. I can only pray that Sandra wasn't conscious. :angry: and :crying: MOO

[kitty1182]

Well you can be sure that Sandra's sister was questioned about this by LE if that is the church they and the grandfather were referring to. That part like so many they have not made very clear as if it was another church and some event, why did they not go?
Just thinking.

Wonder if there are any other church's in walking distance?:confused:

[For Gabriel]

I agree w/ the tearing down of the church comment. For me, church is a place to go for closeness to Christ and to worship w/ fellow believers. How could anyone walk through the doors of that church and not feel total disguist and anger, is beyond me.

[kitty1182]

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking when I said it would be more understandable if it were a man who was the perp. This is just sadistic torture, imo. I can only pray that Sandra wasn't conscious. :angry: and :crying: MOO

I hope she was drugged first and died of an overdose quickly.:sad:

[StickyBeak]

Certainly not a good background check! And isn't the membership something like 15 people? It's not like she had a lot of kids to be the Sunday school teacher for either, or like she was doing it as a full time "job". I think it's misleading too. MOO

IIRC she was teaching at her Grandfather/fathers churches, aka (no background check). They were rehabing her in their prospective ministeries. I missed alot of information, I may be incorrect.

[GentleBreeze]

It really is beyond comprehension to me. And now I so wonder about her own little girl. :crying:

I do too. If she is this twisted and depraved she would have done this to her own who she knew she controlled.:sad:

I hope they do have her little daughter examined. No telling what that monster has done to her.

imo

[KittyMom]

Can you imagine the hell she has been through?

And her husband and her daughters. Bless them.

[~jomomma~]

http://cbs13.com/local/Manteca.Woman.Mistaken.2.984050.html



This poor woman.

this is an old pic of her right? this is the same lady who's myspace pic was being used at first?

[VC2]

Oh VC! Hey there I like your posts, but this one time I have to disagree and ask you are you male? Because this sounds like a male pov to me, and it's not how it works at all sexually for a woman. To state that she didn't get off from what she did, would be a huge mistake IMO. Usually, women who molest female children, their end result is exactly that, I'm sorry to say. And it would be completely physical no offense.

She is a sexual predator, according to the charges. And that end result is the same for women as it is for men.

nope im female :D. I didn't make myself clear i think. With a male who actually has sex with a child there is physical release from the sex itself. With a woman who decides to use a foreign object (so far no info on on actually physically having sex with her) in this case, i agree they get off but i think this sounds far more like she gets off from the sadistic behavior of forcing objects in Sandra .. causing pain and humiliation as opposed to any sort of twisted love or caring. Men can and do as well, i just don't think it is the majority of male child molestors, they are more orientation than sadism and can use their bodies as the object even if it is that.

There are female molesters who are oriented to children too but most don't feel the need to rape a child with an object imo.

maybe im wrong i just feel that in this case, and most where they forcibly use an object on a little girl sexually it is for their sadistic need..that is what gets them off. Which i think is harder to intuitively understand than the run of the mill male predator who uses their body and actually thinks they care about the child, an act of twisted love/sex.

imo.

[Ice Cycle]

Wonder if there are any other church's in walking distance?:confused:

That is what I am now wondering but the way I took the comment from the grandfather was THEY were going to go to church, so I just assumed they meant that one since it is evidently within walking distance.

[sunstar]

I hope she was drugged first and died of an overdose quickly.:sad:

So do I, with a lot of drugs. I would think though that the ME could tell if the penetration was before or after death. (sorry, I hate to even type that. :crying:)

[Janz]

I guess I worry really because of her statement that she played there often. So who knows what was really going on when she was in that home. We don't know. LE sure does though. something about her reminds me of the "story" of sybils mother, you know? She sounds like an abuser of that magnitude. And usually abusers like that, have a background themselves of that very treatment. So, as always I look to the parents the grandparents and where this type of behavior would have started. It rarely starts out of the wild blue yonder on a whim, and thats a fact.

She most likely is a victim herself. Creep factor for me was right away the pastors wife. She seemed cold, aloof and deny deny deny to the press that day in the car. Sent me up a tree with shivers, which was why in my mind I really thought they both were guilty of this crime.
We don't know if this will prove to be the case here but I'd almost bet on it. Her very denials today to the press again, really insulted me.

That is exactly how I felt, too. The mother had abused Sybil in very much the same horrible manner. Scary to think about.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Just got home from work ... caught a glimpse of the news on TV but it was Nancy Grain Of Salt Grace so not sure what to think ..

Is it true that Melissa is charged with molestation and rape?

[sunstar]

IIRC she was teaching at her Grandfather/fathers churches, aka (no background check). They were rehabing her in their prospective ministeries. I missed alot of information, I may be incorrect.

Oh I agree, I think it was just something to rehabilitate her (at least they thought so) along with her moving in with them. What I'm most curious about now that more details have been revealed about Sandra's death (through the pending charges), is if there are other victims, including her own daughter who has been described as "sickly". And, I also wonder if any of her family knew what she was capable of, even though they seem to be in denial now. :angry: MOO

[GentleBreeze]

I guess I worry really because of her statement that she played there often. So who knows what was really going on when she was in that home. We don't know. LE sure does though. something about her reminds me of the "story" of sybils mother, you know? She sounds like an abuser of that magnitude. And usually abusers like that, have a background themselves of that very treatment. So, as always I look to the parents the grandparents and where this type of behavior would have started. It rarely starts out of the wild blue yonder on a whim, and thats a fact.

She most likely is a victim herself. Creep factor for me was right away the pastors wife. She seemed cold, aloof and deny deny deny to the press that day in the car. Sent me up a tree with shivers, which was why in my mind I really thought they both were guilty of this crime.
We don't know if this will prove to be the case here but I'd almost bet on it. Her very denials today to the press again, really insulted me.

I am not so sure I believe she was a victim of past abuse herself. Most pedophiles that go onto commit murder were never abused as a child. Even with Joesph Duncan they could never find abuse in his childhood. I think scum like him and Melissa are just wired wrong and are stuck on evil and the dark side.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is a sociopath. She certainly is a prolific liar. She thinks she will be believed no matter what tale she spins. That is how pathological liars think. That is why they usually are so cool, calm and collected like she was when talking to the media.

imo

[kitty1182]

That is what I am now wondering but the way I took the comment from the grandfather was THEY were going to go to church, so I just assumed they meant that one since it is evidently within walking distance.

I figure it was the Lawless church too..

[Tokyo Rose]

I don't believe for a moment that she was actually religious or Christian. She had her family totally fooled as to what sort of an animal she is. She was cunning but cold as ice.

A sociopath.

[kitty1182]

So do I, with a lot of drugs. I would think though that the ME could tell if the penetration was before or after death. (sorry, I hate to even type that. :crying:)

I pray it was after death.

[MoonHarvest]

Just got home from work ... caught a glimpse of the news on TV but it was Nancy Grain Of Salt Grace so not sure what to think ..

Is it true that Melissa is charged with molestation and rape?

I just got home too, and checked in here.

NO, this CAN'T be true??!!

[GentleBreeze]

Evil exists and it's not gender biased.

Now that is the truth, my friend and I wonder how many more females have gotten away with molesting/raping young children who don't come forward and tell anyone.

I hope and pray that Sandra was drugged through all of this nightmare. But it nags at me that the Sgt said that she was killed shortly after she was seen in the video.

How long would it take for drugs to work to put her in a deep sleep? I know absolutely nothing about drugs except OTC medicine and vitamins.

imo

[VC2]

Considerating her "alleged" crimes as of today, I would want every single child she has had contact with, checked by a dr. Especially female children.

This crime and the end result was so off our radar, it's true, we were all only looking at the men in her immediate area. Thanks to people like Casey Anthony, this woman and so many others, we are reminded that anyone can be sheep in wolves clothing. Even in a church. I posted their doctrine early as I could as soon as it broke, and I had "issues" big time with their "beliefs" and didnt' feel it mainstream by any sense.

I'd be looking at her grand parents very closely, she was living with them. The grandmother gave me the freak out. Steely eyes. Cold.

and then today on camera they say she is innocent etc etc. I'll be the first to say as some have, if my children committed a crime such as this, I would not be on camera, I would not stand by them in a court of law.
Not for any reason. At that point our relationship would be forever severed. I most certainly would not make statements claiming them to be "innocent" that's for damn sure. It really burns me up when "parents" such as these pull this crap. Like Peterson's mother. ARG!

Now this time i disagree with you :laugh: I think it would be almost impossible to believe your granddaughter had committed a murder and rape of her daughters best friend. Most of us were in total shock and we have no history of knowing, loving and believing in Melissa like her family have. I really don't think this is something that they could imagine in their worst dreams.

As religious as they were..especially the more extreme doctrines, imo makes it even harder for them to contemplate that she is guilty. Even if they had been prepared to accept the murder, some sort of accident, once LE let them know the rest...i bet 70 year old pastor and his wife consider it close to impossible. Generational, religious as well as a natural disbelieve a loved one could be responsible unless there was a history of some sort.

imo

eta i agree that if they believed i would sever the relationship too, but i don't expect that from a baptist pastor. At the most they are going to believe the devil entered her and that the "real melissa" is still there, perhaps to come out with prayer and support. Just a guess on that.