April 13th, 14th, 15th

[FrankieBones1]

New Day - New Thread

Please treat each other with respect or use your skip and scroll.

[CANDYKISSES]

This forum is about the Haleigh Cummings case, a missing child who needs to come home to her family IMO. :wub: Why doesn't Haleigh deserve the same respect?

JMO

[crwofter1]

Good morning everyone. Nothing new I see:sad: I was upset that GR had nothing on this case. I'm going to email his show, not that it'll do any good. It'll make me feel better.:thumbsup:

[Texas48]

TY Frankie for getting us started and for your wise advise. coming from the post.

[Texas48]

Good morning everyone. Nothing new I see:sad: I was upset that GR had nothing on this case. I'm going to email his show, not that it'll do any good. It'll make me feel better.:thumbsup:Good morning crwofter..Stupid me watched GR to the end just waiting for the Haleigh segment..and as usual....nada...nothing..I fall for it every time..Bonehead I am..lol..Maybe this week there will be some news.

[Texas48]

Still no sign of Haleigh, but hey! At least the Putnam County Sheriff office has solved the HUGE issue regarding their wardrobes:rolleyes:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/news02.txt

I wonder how any reporter in that area can justify this article as opposed to reporting on Haleigh. And for the record, I don't buy for a second that there is nothing to report regarding Haleigh. How do those people sleep at night? It is beyond me.

Also wondering how long DCS usually takes to render a decision on their investigation or are we to just forget about that issue as well?

jmoHmmmmm.What good news they are getting new uniforms..Wow..what more can I say? Nothing.

[titanfan217]

You're not alone Texas, I did the same thing. You'd think Art would have posted the update on his website, but no such luck.

Not only did Geraldo skip past Haleigh's story, he didn't even have enough respect to spend 15 seconds on posting a picture of Haleigh. Disgusting imo.

jmo's

AH did, but it was in the comments.

[crwofter1]

Hi Tex,
I feel better now. I just emailed the GR Show. :smile:

[katelin]

I can’t believe that Misty is walking around free. Guilty or not, she is the key to finding out what happened. Can’t she be arrested for some minor charge (drugs, driving without a license, etc.) and some pressure applied? Maybe if LE thinks she’s not guilty, they could offer her immunity and some protection? I guess the same could be said of others close to the situation, can’t the squeeze be put on someone in the know? I'm starting to think that this poor girl's story will just slowly fade away. It's frightening.

[CANDYKISSES]

Looks like Palatka isn't as evil as some would have you think IMO. There is still a link on their home page encouraging tipsters to call in from what I see here.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/news/


Also, seems that the babysitter passing out isn't necessarily linked to age if you ask me.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/say_4716782___article.html/officers_old.html

Someone needs to step up and speak out concerning Haleigh. I believe someone outside the family is responsible for this, but certainly there must be others who might have something to offer LE IMOO.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME!

[titanfan217]

Looks like Palatka isn't as evil as some would have you think IMO. There is still a link on their home page encouraging tipsters to call in from what I see here.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/news/


:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME!

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Great except I couldn't get a link to work.

[titanfan217]

The link posted loops around to this link from Crime Stoppers of Northeast Florida.

http://www.westopcrime.com/index.php?loc=details&story=686

It has nothing to do with Putnam Co LE. :rolleyes:


Thanks. It's Monday. It's rainy and I haven't turned my brain on.

[bonniez45]

We are still living in The United States of America aren't we?

And most of the time thank god for that.

[Politigal]

I've been researching Misty's brother more - Hank Thomas Croslin, JR - who resides at 116 Tyler with Lindsy...and who came to visit the evening Haleigh disappeared.

I previously posted about criminal records from when he was 16 - 1) felony battery and 2) disturbing a school or religious function and last night I was looking into Volusia county records since he also lived in Daytona Beach area with Misty, and Lindsy filed domestic violence charges against him in '04 I believe, but there was also a suit filed by Ford Motor Credit which I assume is on a vehicle, but the timing of the last entry was rather curious IMO - 2/02/09 - where there was a motion compelling him to appear because of the $13K he owes. This was only 1 wk before Haleigh disappeared.

I've read in lots of other cases about pre-crime stressers that spur the perpetrators to commit their crimes, and wondered if this could possibly be one of those stressers....

I also found the cached version of Lindsy's myspace where her friend commented in early January to her "no word from Tommy?" as if he had taken off somewhere for a time....and Lindsy was feeling neglected. Lindsy also wrote that Tommy fishes all the time and that she doesn't, and she wanted him to stop.

Anyway, I hope that police will take a closer look at Tommy, and at his favorite fishing spots.

[titanfan217]

Thanks titanfan. Can you link it, I can't find any updates whatsoever from him. He may have said the show wouldn't be on, but no update? Not sure where I missed it.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/10/geraldo-invites-art-harris-on-sat-night-show/#comments


Try comment #58. I've not read any later comments.

[CANDYKISSES]

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Great except I couldn't get a link to work.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/news/

Breaking News ( top )

Click here for more Haleigh Cummings information.

click on the link below for detailed information

It's still working for me. I believe there was a complaint concerning the wardrobe for LE and from what I see on the home page, the HALEIGH CUMMINGS case is still displayed and offers a link to the crimestoppers ad ultimately displaying the REWARD TOO.

JMO

As long as places like First Coast News and The Palatka Daily News continue to display something daily, I believe nobody has forgotten Haleigh in the local area, but that's JMO again.

As for LE, they have many cases to work with and on, so I don't see any way of judging them, but there are those who will regardless IMO. :sad: I'll believe they continue to do what they can day by day and that they don't owe the public a breakdown of everything they suspect or know at this point in the case.

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME!

[CANDYKISSES]

I've been researching Misty's brother more - Hank Thomas Croslin, JR - who resides at 116 Tyler with Lindsy...and who came to visit the evening Haleigh disappeared.

I previously posted about criminal records from when he was 16 - 1) felony battery and 2) disturbing a school or religious function and last night I was looking into Volusia county records since he also lived in Daytona Beach area with Misty, and Lindsy filed domestic violence charges against him in '04 I believe, but there was also a suit filed by Ford Motor Credit which I assume is on a vehicle, but the timing of the last entry was rather curious IMO - 2/02/09 - where there was a motion compelling him to appear because of the $13K he owes. This was only 1 wk before Haleigh disappeared.

I've read in lots of other cases about pre-crime stressers that spur the perpetrators to commit their crimes, and wondered if this could possibly be one of those stressers....

I also found the cached version of Lindsy's myspace where her friend commented in early January to her "no word from Tommy?" as if he had taken off somewhere for a time....and Lindsy was feeling neglected. Lindsy also wrote that Tommy fishes all the time and that she doesn't, and she wanted him to stop.

Anyway, I hope that police will take a closer look at Tommy, and at his favorite fishing spots.

That's something to consider regarding the stress he may have been feeling and what he might have been willing to do. I'm thinking that LE would have the same info and hopefully would have checked him out thoroughly given the innuendo suggesting Misty wasn't there that night. Nobody has ever confirmed that either way and I truly believe if there was credible info that she was outside the home partying that night, LE WOULD HAVE BEEN ON TOP of that to narrow things down a bit. I wonder what happened to all Kim's alleged witnesses??? I can't help but think most lawyers would have marched them down to LE personally with the paperwork given the idea a child is at risk here.

That said, it's kind of like the Greg rumors. I think more than likely that was BS and fodder put out there by someone like Cobra and his ilk to incite Greg and get him talking to AH, but that is JMO.

IF things like threats to his life had been happening it would have gotten Haleigh some FRONT PAGE HEADLINES AGAIN FROM MY POV.

I take that group with a box of salt these days especially after viewing the latest interview with Greg. What a disgrace IMOO. :thumbdown:

[crwofter1]

I'm going to go light a candle for Little HC.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Halei

[Amy]

Still no sign of Haleigh, but hey! At least the Putnam County Sheriff office has solved the HUGE issue regarding their wardrobes:rolleyes:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/news02.txt

I wonder how any reporter in that area can justify this article as opposed to reporting on Haleigh. And for the record, I don't buy for a second that there is nothing to report regarding Haleigh. How do those people sleep at night? It is beyond me.

Also wondering how long DCS usually takes to render a decision on their investigation or are we to just forget about that issue as well?

jmo

Residents who have noticed and deputies alike are excited about the switch.

Are they kidding? I can just see the residents of Putnam County @ the coffee shops and in the grocery aisles just buzzing about the exciting new look of the deputies!!! NOT!!! Wonder how many residents have even NOTICED, especially since it seems only a few officers actually have the "new look" as it is something that will be phased in--not to be completed til summer. Well, maybe the "residents" are the immediate relatives of the excited deputies who actually have their new uniforms?

Iguess, when you have nothing to report, report on nothing!!!!

Maybe DCF and/or Putnam County think, if there is nothing reported on the investigation by DCF, that people will just kind of forget there was one going on? Of course, I do think Kim P. will not let it be forgotten.

[bookie]

Oh, now I know what the other poster's must be saying about the USA.

I do disagree though, I think Misty is breaking the law.

Isn't Misty breaking the law for smoking cig on police grounds?

I am not slamming smokers and I have said this in the past ( I have the horrible habit also).

Are Florida laws different?

I honestly don't know if Florida law is different, but in my state, you can not smoke on any property like that. Also, Misty is only 17, so in Florida is that against the law to smoke cig? It is in my state, so that is why I ask.

I also will admit, what a flimsy excuse to arrest someone for that, but we are talking about a missing child here. We are also talking about Misty, the one even LE has said holds the key.

I also noticed that was the posters first post, that saddened me for such rude comments to come at them right off the bat. I read here for a long time before I got brave enough to post.



Some "crimes" aren't punishable by arrest. I don't know any jurisdiction that arrests minors for smoking. Ticketing them is most likely what would happen. If the police arrested every person who broke a law we would need arenas for jails.

[Amy]

Some "crimes" aren't punishable by arrest. I don't know any jurisdiction that arrests minors for smoking. Ticketing them is most likely what would happen. If the police arrested every person who broke a law we would need arenas for jails.

I also don't know of any minor arrested or even ticketed for smoking--and there are a lot of 'em who do. The most that is done here are undercover cops going into places that sell cigarettes and fine stores where the clerks don't ask for age ID when selling them. They don't go after people who BUY the cigs for kids, either---some of whom are their own parents.

A little more is done in the arena of underage drinking. When there are arrests (usually cops have found a party) the person providing the liquour or beer is in big deep doo-doo.

[crymeariver2006]

Residents who have noticed and deputies alike are excited about the switch.

Are they kidding? I can just see the residents of Putnam County @ the coffee shops and in the grocery aisles just buzzing about the exciting new look of the deputies!!! NOT!!! Wonder how many residents have even NOTICED, especially since it seems only a few officers actually have the "new look" as it is something that will be phased in--not to be completed til summer. Well, maybe the "residents" are the immediate relatives of the excited deputies who actually have their new uniforms?

Iguess, when you have nothing to report, report on nothing!!!!

Maybe DCF and/or Putnam County think, if there is nothing reported on the investigation by DCF, that people will just kind of forget there was one going on? Of course, I do think Kim P. will not let it be forgotten.

Oh I agree! Funny how they have money for important things like new uniforms but were yammering a couple of months ago because of no funding in the search for Haleigh. It's disgusting.

JMO

[bookie]

I also don't know of any minor arrested or even ticketed for smoking--and there are a lot of 'em who do. The most that is done here are undercover cops going into places that sell cigarettes and fine stores where the clerks don't ask for age ID when selling them. They don't go after people who BUY the cigs for kids, either---some of whom are their own parents.

A little more is done in the arena of underage drinking. When there are arrests (usually cops have found a party) the person providing the liquour or beer is in big deep doo-doo.


That's about how it happens here.

[bookie]

I did a search and found plenty of tickets issued for underage smoking as well as parents being held accountable for the underage smoking. While I do not think this would hold any water, I do think that they could have put some pressure on Misty, especially given the eyewitness testimonies that she was partaking in illegal drugs as well as other illegal activities. I also wonder if le did a drug test and if that showed Misty was under the influence of narcotics the night Haleigh vanished, endangerment of a child comes to mind. They hauled Casey Anthony's butt in immediately with charges regarding forged checks, surely they must have something they can arrest Misty on. Illegal driving? She herself admitted to driving the kids to school at times.

Frustration sets in.

jmo's

Ticketed being the key word here. A ticket would require a court date but not an arrest.

Misti admitted driving the kids to the bus stop. If the bus stop is in the mobile home park it's private property and she couldn't be prosecuted for that. My kids drove on our private drive all the time and it wasn't illegal because it is private property.

Casey Anthony and that entire case is in a league of it's own.

[bookie]

I think Viking listed SEVERAL reasons Misty could have been arrested.

I said, in my post that cig smoking is a flimsy excuse, but when it comes to a missing child, any excuse would work for me. Remember, even LE said Misty holds the key. So, why are they not putting more pressure on her?

Has she even been called in since her Today show appearance? If not, then I think LE is letting this stuff slide and I do not know why.

Oh, what is even the point?

All I know, is if was my child, I would not care if they arrested the last person to see her alive for chewing gum wrong.

Then some of you will come back and say, well Misty was not the last one to see her alive. How do you know?

Misty can not even help LE get a timeline down, so protect her all you want. Everyone else seems to be protecting Misty, including TN, maybe that is why we still do not know where Haleigh is.

The police can't just go around arresting people. There are little things like probable cause that prevent that. They would open themselves, the city and the county to lawsuits if they ignore the laws they are supposed to protect.

How do you know Misti was the last person to see her alive? You don't just like I don't know that she wasn't.

[Texas48]

That's about how it happens here.I would think that how it would be thoughout the US bookie and I can understand why...

[titanfan217]

Residents who have noticed and deputies alike are excited about the switch.

Are they kidding? I can just see the residents of Putnam County @ the coffee shops and in the grocery aisles just buzzing about the exciting new look of the deputies!!! NOT!!! Wonder how many residents have even NOTICED, especially since it seems only a few officers actually have the "new look" as it is something that will be phased in--not to be completed til summer. Well, maybe the "residents" are the immediate relatives of the excited deputies who actually have their new uniforms?

Iguess, when you have nothing to report, report on nothing!!!!

Maybe DCF and/or Putnam County think, if there is nothing reported on the investigation by DCF, that people will just kind of forget there was one going on? Of course, I do think Kim P. will not let it be forgotten.


I don't know what our deputies wear. Should I find out?

[Texas48]

I did a search and found plenty of tickets issued for underage smoking as well as parents being held accountable for the underage smoking. While I do not think this would hold any water, I do think that they could have put some pressure on Misty, especially given the eyewitness testimonies that she was partaking in illegal drugs as well as other illegal activities. I also wonder if le did a drug test and if that showed Misty was under the influence of narcotics the night Haleigh vanished, endangerment of a child comes to mind. They hauled Casey Anthony's butt in immediately with charges regarding forged checks, surely they must have something they can arrest Misty on. Illegal driving? She herself admitted to driving the kids to school at times.

Frustration sets in.

jmo'sI know where your frustration comes from 51..been there and still there..but..I can't seem to see *any* cause for LE to arrest Misty..Yes..they could ask her to come back in for an interview but all she is going to do is same ole same ole..then what? IF LE badgers her all she has to do is file harassment charges against the Dept...then that still gets all no where..She said she drove kids to school..yes....all she has to do now is say she was kidding..yada..yada..yep.100s of reasons for what she said...anyway..LE did not ticket her right there on the spot and if they ticket her now she still can claim harassment and file charges on Dept...LE did not take Misty to HQ and test her for drugs because they were investigating a missing child..not a babysitter on drugs..They did not know till many days down the road that her stories did not match up..so there it is.. I just don't see any reason..I wish I could but if I could then most likely LE could and would have done so. So..here we are still with NOTHING. I'm sorry 51..Now I feel so sad..again.

[cat3]

I'm still up for the emails.I'm not sure if we have enough people to make a difference though.A website might be a good way to keep in touch,and keep the focus on Haleigh.I think at the very least LE should hold a PC to keep Haleigh in the media.Even if LE has nothing to report they at least should have to answer to the people living in Satsuma about what they are doing to find this little girl.IMO

[Texas48]

I wonder why the good folks of Satsuma aren't demanding more from LE there? If this were me I would be worried about my own children being safe. They aren't even doing anything to reassure people that there isn't some SO running around taking children there.
I will agree Pia..IF..BIG IF..LE believes Haleigh's vanishing/kidnapping was at a SO's hands then they have a responsibility to the people of Satsuma and surroundings towns....Has the media even ask LE about that possibilty? I still hope and want to have faith in LE/FBI...Maybe they are just waiting..maybe they have some theory on this case..Maybe..maybe..maybe..

[4Kids]

I wonder why the good folks of Satsuma aren't demanding more from LE there? If this were me I would be worried about my own children being safe. They aren't even doing anything to reassure people that there isn't some SO running around taking children there.

Pia..I think LE kind of convinced everyone that this was an inside job, via the Misty "inconsitency" theory. Therefore, I don't think there are demands being made regarding safetly, etc. I never once remember LE warning about any type of strangers, So,etc.

I think LE has nothing. I think they hung their hat on an inside job and it did not pan out.

If this was an SO (which I believe it was) than LE did a mighty disservice to the people of that area.

MOO

[Texas48]

Hopefully they do have something but the not speaking and not searching worries me.*NOT SPEAKING* speaks LOUDLY....and says alot. Thas what I am worried about.

[Texas48]

Where is everyone?

Also, do we know if ANYONE is still working on Haleigh's case?

Is the FBI or anyone still in Satsuma?

Is Crystal or her attorney still in Satsuma?

I just do not know of any updates, is this a cold case already? I hope and pray it is not.Hello apple..Yes..it could be the case is....lets say getting *cool*..NOT COLD. Lets try and keep some faith in LE and pray something will break...someone will lets something slip...I am thinking it just too late to bring Haleigh home alive..words none of us want to hear but I think we all or most of us know the possibilities of Haleigh being alive. Look how many posters we have here this afternoon..only on page 2.

[aproudmom]

New Day - New Thread

Please treat each other with respect or use your skip and scroll.

my skip and scroll stopped working..just kidding seems we have no news this is turning into a cold case..poor baby..

[aproudmom]

Hello apple..Yes..it could be the case is....lets say getting *cool*..NOT COLD. Lets try and keep some faith in LE and pray something will break...someone will lets something slip...I am thinking it just too late to bring Haleigh home alive..words none of us want to hear but I think we all or most of us know the possibilities of Haleigh being alive. Look how many posters we have here this afternoon..only on page 2.

I have to agree and hate to say it there is 14 people on this thread right now..I am sure it has to do with KC may getting the DP and Sandra C murderer being charged with rape,molestation.and many other sick thing..hope to see this thread get some life to it..Haleigh needs to come home one way or another...

[*Serenity*]

I read here daily and always hope to sign on and find out Haleigh has been located. My sweet grandaughter is also Haleigh-- spelled exactly the same way.

Prayers for Haleigh Bug............!!

Thought I would take a moment to post to let you guys know I read daily, I just never post.

Over 200 viewing Caylee Forum
Over 100 viewing Sandra Forum
Only 18 viewing Haleigh Forum... Bless her sweet and innoncent soul.

[Texas48]

I read here daily and always hope to sign on and find out Haleigh has been located. My sweet grandaughter is also Haleigh-- spelled exactly the same way.

Prayers for Haleigh Bug............!!

Thought I would take a moment to post to let you guys know I read daily, I just never post.

Over 200 viewing Caylee Forum
Over 100 viewing Sandra Forum
Only 18 viewing Haleigh Forum... Bless her sweet and innoncent soul.Sad isn't it Serenity....

[Politigal]

looks like the www.artharris.com site is down...

I think that's a *good* thing

[Texas48]

I think a website is a great idea, viking and you are to be commended for volunteering your time and effort to do that, imo. It sure beats sitting around criticizing people on a message board, that's for certain.

I'm also up for the email/phone call idea, so if we can get organized on who and when, let's do it!

Someone asked where is everyone and altho other news taking precedence is one reason why people stopped posting here, I also think that many are tired of being shot down for everything they say and/or suggest. It gets old and sure doesn't help Haleigh.

At the end of the day, we all (well most of us) want the same thing and that's to keep Haleigh's story alive in hopes that she can be found, or at the very least, find out what happened to her and bring the person(s) responsible to justice. We may not be able to make a difference, but we can at least try and those that aren't interested are free to move on to other things.

AMOITA Tiffany..I realize posters want to get caught up on other news....There just is not much to post about right now...one can only rehash old news. I think most everyone will agree and help 51 w/website..She/he has offered one in the past and she/he is so kind in doing so and I believe ALL will put out their hand to help no matter what their opinion is about the case. ALL the differences can be put aside as I believe we all want the same thing and that is to keep Haleigh's name/picture back up front in hope that this little girl Haleigh will be found. So I hope we can get 100% to get along side of 51Viking. *HOPE for HALEIGH*:wub:

[playnice]

Jane covered Haleigh tonight. Altho there is no news, I was encouraged that Kim seems to have faith in the police department that they are on top of the case. she said they know where everyone in that town was that night. I hope she is right and hope there is some breaking news soon .

[i4doors]

I read here daily and always hope to sign on and find out Haleigh has been located. My sweet grandaughter is also Haleigh-- spelled exactly the same way.

Prayers for Haleigh Bug............!!

Thought I would take a moment to post to let you guys know I read daily, I just never post.

Over 200 viewing Caylee Forum
Over 100 viewing Sandra Forum
Only 18 viewing Haleigh Forum... Bless her sweet and innoncent soul.
praying for little haleigh to be found:crying:

[titanfan217]

looks like the www.artharris.com site is down...

I think that's a *good* thing

The site is up.

[Ice Cycle]

praying for little haleigh to be found:crying:

I don't see how they can find her if no one is looking.

[grammie/va]

In my opinion posters haven't forgotten about Haleigh at all, I read her thread every day since the first day. I don't post alot because I don't agree with the bashing of any of the family, I don't think it helps in way to find Haleigh, but this is a message board and therefore it is just what goes on here . It gets a little out of hand in my opinion sometimes. Although I believe we all want the same thing in the end--For her to come home alive and if not then JUSTICE for her.

[*Serenity*]

Sad isn't it Serenity....


It is beyond sad- truly.

I haven't followed all the twists and turns, but I do find it way
strange that TES/Tim Miller pulled out so quickly, and I would
love to know why.

Also- there is zero coverage about Haleigh and that bothers me.
I hope Haleigh is located and does not have the same ending
as little Trenton-- never knowing where they are.

[TxLady2]

Oh I agree! Funny how they have money for important things like new uniforms but were yammering a couple of months ago because of no funding in the search for Haleigh. It's disgusting.

JMO

I don't know about FL, but here in this county the deputies have to buy their own uniforms and boots. They might get a uniform allowance, but that comes AFTER the uniforms are purchased, and it is not for the full cost. Not sure about police officers, but I don't think Satsuma has a PD, according to the locals.

[LILMANMAX]

I've tried to have faith in the LE with this case and normally do.
I just have a feeling this case has not been handled properly. I don't know if the train jumped the track when all this family BS started or not. But something caused it. JMO

And it makes me sick. Haleigh is such a precious child.
Haleigh needs to be brought home.

[TxLady2]

I am not stupid, I realize that LE can not just arrest anyone for anything.

I do beleive, if they watched Misty 24/7 - they could find something to arrest her on. I also, think she has done enough to be arrested already.

Also, so what if she just gets a ticket, give her ticket after ticket, put her under some pressure. Let her know they are watching her. The same goes for Ron, I am completely disgusted, that in the beginning he wanted ALL focus on Haleigh, well her sure changed his tune in my opinion.


Arresting her on minor charges would not solve anything. She would get a lawyer and then any hope of questioning her again is out the window, and she would be out of jail by the next day.
I kind of agree that if she knew more, she would have given it up by now. I don't think she knows anything else. More than likely she was either not home that night, or she was dead to the world asleep.

[BitterSweet]

:rose: Justice soon Haleigh.

BitterSweet

[doctor_J]

I have not forgotten Haleigh, not for a second. I had to leave the discussion board and just follow the links board because of the victim bashing. I couldn't take it daily. And yes, I do consider Haliegh's full-time parent and grandparents as victims. I think Geraldo started it all and damaged the efforts to find this baby. I hope LE knows something, but I'm beginning to doubt it. I'm going to keep hoping the perp (prob. killer) will be found and whoever it turns out to be, that's who I'll focus my anger on.

[CANDYKISSES]

I also don't know of any minor arrested or even ticketed for smoking--and there are a lot of 'em who do. The most that is done here are undercover cops going into places that sell cigarettes and fine stores where the clerks don't ask for age ID when selling them. They don't go after people who BUY the cigs for kids, either---some of whom are their own parents.

A little more is done in the arena of underage drinking. When there are arrests (usually cops have found a party) the person providing the liquour or beer is in big deep doo-doo.

Same here Amy. I've never seen any children brought into teen court for smoking and I volunteered in our local teen court for years. :scared:

I've seen a citation for alcohol come into teen court and the violators were subjected to community service for the most part. The big suppliers or liquor store owners who don't card are the ones getting in trouble and they are brought before the liquor board with consequences of shut downs from what I've seen. JMO.

I am not a fan of LE stalking minors to try and get a story to fit their theory. I was shocked to see how many posters seemed happy that Cobra wasn't bound by the CONSTITUTION quite frankly. I'm sure the cops could use illegal maneuvers to get a false confession out of someone, but really what would that serve? CERTAINLY NOT JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH IMO. :confused:

:wub:BRING HALEIGH HOME TO HER FAMILY!

[CANDYKISSES]

I think he is doing exactly what his attorneys have told him to do. Staying away from the cameras because every time he says something it gets twisted.


ESPECIALLY given the attacks he has suffered from Kim Picazio of which it seems none have come to light in the eyes of DCF and LE IMOO. :sad:

The woman couldn't even get all her witnesses to SHOW UP and it was eerily similar to when Crystal was working on her own with the confusing stories back in 05 and 06. Oh that's right even in 09 she was confused about her feelings after leaving her children to be cared for by an ALLEGED ABUSER.

I think the Kim caper with Cobra and her other associates has done nothing to help find Haleigh IMOO. What a shame that between Kim and Geraldo, they managed to take any attention Haleigh deserved as far as I'm concerned. JMO tho.:thumbdown:

HUGS FOR HALEIGH! :wub:

[CelticDawn]

all of this time....all of the reading research....prayers.....still NOTHING....

sadly, I believe Haleigh is gone....


I still have to post....IN SUPPORT OF HALEIGH and finding the truth and justice for her.

[grammie/va]

Just checking the daily thread and the links for any updates about Haleigh. Prayers for Haleigh that today will be the day!!!:rose:

[sickntired]

Well, then maybe you can explain a few things to me then.

In the very beginning as I said in my post Ron said - he wanted all the focus on Haleigh?

So, by me saying he has changed his tune - then WHERE IS RON?

The last I remember he was getting a Tattoo and telling the camera man to get out of his face ( not exact words)

Also, on the court house steps - he walked AWAY from the camera.

So, please explain, why you think he is trying so hard to get the focus on Haleigh, because I sure can't find it. In my opinion, he is in hiding!

I think that once RC got an attorney, they probably told him to lay low. Let's face it, if RC isn't getting a tattoo or married or Crystal having a car accident, there isn't much to report on unfortunately. Even though we have all been bashed for discussing these events, they are what kept this in the news headlines.

Hopefully things are quiet because of the holiday....hopefully no one has forgotten Haleigh! :rose::rose::rose: I know I haven't.

[Mel]

Imo if there's any "bashing" of Ron and Misty going on it's solely due to their own actions.
Who, besides Casey Anthony gets a tattoo while their child is missing? Who gets married in a wife beater shirt while their child is missing? Who hangs up on 911 (twice) while calling for help? Who is more concerned about their privacy than they are about finding their child? Who gets indignant about being asked what their child was wearing? Who doesn't know what the child was wearing when put to bed or what clothes are missing from the home? Who changes their story repeatedly about the night the child went missing? Who doesn't know what bed the child was in the night she went missing? Who doesn't ask the last person that saw her whether she noticed that she was gone before or after she allegedly got up to use the bathroom? Who does laundry at 2-3AM in the morning and at the same time claims they were sleeping since 10-10:30PM because they were so tired?

If people are suspicious of Ron and Misty it's because of the way they've conducted themselves since 3AM, 2-9-09.

I don't consider ANYONE a victim except Haleigh and I hope against hope that LE knows what they're doing and gets to the bottom of this.

I hope Haleigh is still alive but at this point, I doubt it. So I hope that whoever harmed her is brought to justice and pays for what they have done.

YES!!! i couldn't have said it better:smile:

[Texas48]

I agree Pia. Checking in for any news.And I will add to your post that I do agree that Ron's attorneys have told him to keep his mouth shut..we all know thats the first thing attorneys do..Unlike Cindy A,,Ron is taking the advise.....and good morning to ALL.

[Texas48]

Exactly how it should be. The bashing can start when we know who is at fault.I also agree but I am somewhat confused...WHY would anyone feel the need to bash if/when LE catches the one at fault????WE WILL ALL BASH at the same time..lol..

[crwofter1]

It is beyond sad- truly.

I haven't followed all the twists and turns, but I do find it way
strange that TES/Tim Miller pulled out so quickly, and I would
love to know why.

Also- there is zero coverage about Haleigh and that bothers me.
I hope Haleigh is located and does not have the same ending
as little Trenton-- never knowing where they are.
TES left because LE asked them to scale back, someone on here put the link up awhile ago. I don't think anyone truly knows. I thought Money issues. :cursing:

[psbperu]

Although I have not been posting...my interest remains high as to what happened to this little girl. So much time has passed that I find it difficult to believe that she is alive & well in another location.

My suspicions as to Misty and/or Ron knowing more about that night also remains high.

Also question Ron's inability to communicate effectively with LE immediately after the disappearance. My thinking is that one would want to be as precise as possible in relating information as to the recovery of your child no matter the emotions one is experiencing. (yes I know people react differently but that doesn't mean one can't give coherent facts when questioned by LE or even to the 911 operator)

As far as his marriage to a 17 year old while his daughter is missing...that is truly bizzaro. Whatever were they thinking? That behavior is indefensible...his child is missing. What happened to all that emotionalism we all saw? Then the trip to NY..something that could have been done on camera, on site in Satsuma.

Triggered my suspicion meter to the red area.

[TBIBeg]

Just checking in. Can't believe there is still NO clue to what happened to this little girl.

:(

[kitty1182]

Just checking in. Can't believe there is still NO clue to what happened to this little girl.

:(

Me either..:sad:

[FrankieBones1]

Although I have not been posting...my interest remains high as to what happened to this little girl. So much time has passed that I find it difficult to believe that she is alive & well in another location.

My suspicions as to Misty and/or Ron knowing more about that night also remains high.
<<<Snipped for length as per Coldwater's request>>>

It's great to read your level-headed posts, psbperu. I agree with much of what you've posted.

[FrankieBones1]

Me either..:sad:

I wish I knew what LE was doing and how they are handling this case. Maybe a fresh set of eyes would be good in that department. If they can spend money on new uniforms I'm sure they could afford to bring in someone from another county to go over each piece of evidence or tips.

[Owlface]

Although I have not been posting...my interest remains high as to what happened to this little girl. So much time has passed that I find it difficult to believe that she is alive & well in another location.

My suspicions as to Misty and/or Ron knowing more about that night also remains high.

Also question Ron's inability to communicate effectively with LE immediately after the disappearance. My thinking is that one would want to be as precise as possible in relating information as to the recovery of your child no matter the emotions one is experiencing. (yes I know people react differently but that doesn't mean one can't give coherent facts when questioned by LE or even to the 911 operator)

As far as his marriage to a 17 year old while his daughter is missing...that is truly bizzaro. Whatever were they thinking? That behavior is indefensible...his child is missing. What happened to all that emotionalism we all saw? Then the trip to NY..something that could have been done on camera, on site in Satsuma.

Triggered my suspicion meter to the red area.

I totally agree also. I believe LE knows A LOT more than they are letting out. I believe LE believes it was an inside job and they are just biding their time until they find evidence (a body).

[FrankieBones1]

I totally agree also. I believe LE knows A LOT more than they are letting out. I believe LE believes it was an inside job and they are just biding their time until they find evidence (a body).
Like LE did in the S. Peterson case. That makes sense.

[psbperu]

Hi Frankie:

I see your interest hasn't waned either nor has several of the other posters.

Disheartening to click on CNN in the early a.m. & see not even a hint of a break in this case. Not too much now on the Misty & Ron front. No videos of family confrontations in jail cause unfortunately no one is in jail.

Most likely posters are reading but not posting due to the lack of new information. At least there were clues that LE could follow up on in the SC case, doesn't appear so here. I may have to eat my hat at some point but I find it difficult to believe that this was a stranger abduction.

Always good to see you & do appreciate your reminder as to being respectful of other posters.

[?noanswer]

There was some posting earlier about creating a web page. Below is a link to a site that has been up almost from the begenning. It is done by volunteers and is not the one that is by RC's attys. JMO


http://findhaleigh.com/

[crymeariver2006]

There was some posting earlier about creating a web page. Below is a link to a site that has been up almost from the begenning. It is done by volunteers and is not the one that is by RC's attys. JMO


http://findhaleigh.com/

Isn't that the same site that the Cummings family (Ron especially) was upset about? Something about donations IIRC.

[Texas48]

There was some posting earlier about creating a web page. Below is a link to a site that has been up almost from the begenning. It is done by volunteers and is not the one that is by RC's attys. JMO


http://findhaleigh.com/Oh My Goodness..I had forgotten about this site untill u posted it...My brain forgot..I didn't..lol..TY very much..

[Texas48]

It's great to read your level-headed posts, psbperu. I agree with much of what you've posted.Love level-headed Frankie..I tried/try..lol

[LILMANMAX]

I could not even begin to imagine how one would feel or act when their child is missing. Except with CA, not reporting it for a month is enough of a red flag with me. I just know that so many of these missing children, the parents or caregivers have been unjustly accused. Jessica & Polly are the main ones that come to mind.

I personally believe the first report of Misty saying she was in the bed with her was reported wrong. Her small bed was about 3ft from the large bed. R & M may lead an alternate lifestyle, but I do not think they had anything to do with Hayleigh's disappearance. Not that I'm condoning drug use, but honestly how many children are abducted over a drug deal? Does not make sense. People using or dealing drugs, do not need that kind of heat. If it was over a drug deal gone bad, I believe the home or Misty would have been the target. Maybe set the house on fire or come in and murder them all, like what happened in New Orleans this past week. That would be of course if big $ was involved which does not appear that is the case.

A child predator will wait on a chance to get their victim. And they usually do it undetected.

I personally have had weird feelings about Crystal since day one. Not saying she had anything to do with it but at the least she was not awarded custody. That is enough of a red flag to me right there. We all know most of the time the Mother is awarded custody unless there is something really wrong.

I have listened to many people on TV and read on MB that Misty appears to be on drugs. I thought that immediately with Crystal. I was genuinely upset when she allowed the filming of JR shortly after the abduction. That was putting that small boy in risk to say the least. When she appeared with this attorney with all these accusations I was not surprised. Pure media stunt. If she truly believed her children were abused this would have been reported b4 this tragedy happened.
Does not add up to me. Has her friends, fiance been thoroughly investigated. Something very troubling about this case.

JMHO.

[Texas48]

I'm sure that a link where LE verified that Misty was doing laundry doesn't exist. LE hasn't verified much of anything aside from Haleigh is missing, everyone is a suspect, Misty is inconsistant and she is the "key."

My point was the subject of laundry has been discussed repeatedly here. What we individually choose to believe about it is another issue.

AMOI know I saw it and I know I posted it and now all I have to do is find where I got it from..lolI will find it.

[bookie]

If someone in the home goes missing while another is at work, the only logical answer, IMO, is to say, I don't know, I was at work.

Can't figure out why others want someone to say something different. Unless it was proven otherwise.


I don't get it either. What is he supposed to say? He was at work that night according to LE. If he answered by saying Misti said this or that he'd be accused of covering for her. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't imo.

[titanfan217]

You are so right. Can you imagine the outrage if he started answering questions about what happened while he was not there? I can hear it now, "How dare he answer that, he doesn't know anything! HE WAS AT WORK!" No win situation.


I don't have a problem with "I was at work" in answer to questions about happened when he was supposedly at work.

However, he has used it at least once in regard to what MC said to LE.

He also insisted that the infamous cousin was not there. How does he know if he was at work?

[Debb]

I know you can't paint everyone with the same stroke, but the time she says she put the kids to bed has always caused me suspicion. Most people I know do not put their kids to bed, even young kids at 8:00 p.m., I know that is what may be recommended by doctors and teachers, but it just doesn't happen with most people I know.

Please excuse me for saying this, but people I know who are from a lower socio-economic homes, usually put their children to bed much later than others. It's a cultural thing IMO. Anyway, has LE confirmed from outside sources what the children's real bedtime normally was. I just find 8:00 hard to buy.

[bookie]

I know you can't paint everyone with the same stroke, but the time she says she put the kids to bed has always caused me suspicion. Most people I know do not put their kids to bed, even young kids at 8:00 p.m., I know that is what may be recommended by doctors and teachers, but it just doesn't happen with most people I know.

Please excuse me for saying this, but people I know who are from a lower socio-economic homes, usually put their children to bed much later than others. It's a cultural thing IMO. Anyway, has LE confirmed from outside sources what the children's real bedtime normally was. I just find 8:00 hard to buy.


I disagree. Most everyone I know is from "lower socio economic homes" and almost all put their children to bed early when that young. The latest my children were up at that age was 8:30pm especially on a school night. I can think of only one who let her children stay up later.

[baywench]

Bolding mine. ITA with your post, especially the bolded. A man who fights tooth and nail to gain custody, who claims Haleigh is his "heart" would, in my opinion, move mountains to find out every single detail as well as work with le to give accurate and descriptive information. Not the other way around. Why Sheriff Hardy allowed Ron to continue on with his tt is beyond me. Until le comes out with some news, I am done posting on this case. Going back and fourth, trying to make sense of RC and MC actions will never compute or make any sense in my brain. When someone tries to compare this case to the Klaas or Lunsford case, I only feel insulted because neither of these fathers behaved in the manner RC did, nor did they try to impede an investigation with answers like "I dunno, I was at work<insert sneer" and then marry the very person who was last seen with Haleigh. We don't just have rumors that Misty was doing drugs, WBG went on the record to state Misty and he were doing all kinds of drugs prior to Haleigh vanishing. By far the most disturbing case I have ever read in my life. In my opinion, this case stands alone, just as Casey Anthony's stands alone and in no way can be compared to any other case out there.

Great post Tiffany.

jmo's

ITA this case is nothing like Klaas or Lunsford and it is a disservice to their families to suggest it. Someone did something wrong in caring for this child or she wouldn't be missing....whether it is is being negligent in who you chose to leave your child with, or negligent that you can't tell a straight story when a child under your care is missing. Or you coach your son how to answer very important questions. And, IMO inconsistencies are definitely changing stories when they are never explained. jmo

[MoonFlwr]

Well i guess so far DCF and LE haven't found any signs of abuse because they haven't taken Jr away from Ron yet..........



:rose:come home soon Haleigh.

Good point!

[Politigal]

My concern over the laundry isn't that Misty said she did it, it is WHEN it is being said on this thread that I am talking about. I am just curious as to how the 2-3 AM timeline for doing the laundry came about. Everything that has been reported has said that Misty did the laundry about the time she put the kids to bed at 8PM...just wondering where the conflicting time of that came from?

it came from art harris gossip column

[4Kids]

I know you can't paint everyone with the same stroke, but the time she says she put the kids to bed has always caused me suspicion. Most people I know do not put their kids to bed, even young kids at 8:00 p.m., I know that is what may be recommended by doctors and teachers, but it just doesn't happen with most people I know.

Please excuse me for saying this, but people I know who are from a lower socio-economic homes, usually put their children to bed much later than others. It's a cultural thing IMO. Anyway, has LE confirmed from outside sources what the children's real bedtime normally was. I just find 8:00 hard to buy.


What? lower socio-economic homes? You're kidding, right? This is a home with a working father...not homeless gypsies, no offense to the gypsies.

Haleigh more than likely began her school day at 8 or so. Therefore, one would assume that she was awake at least by seven if not earlier. She is quite young. Her going to bed at 8:30 puts her at at least 13 hour day if not longer. That is a long day for a child just out of toddlerhood. Low income or not. LOL.

MOO

[4Kids]

it came from art harris gossip column

Yes. It does seem that all factual versions of the case reference an 8:30 bedtime/lay down in beds for the kids, with Misty staying awake to do some wash. Nothing out of the ordainary IMO.

[4Kids]

A couple of thoughts and some rehash on Haleigh tonight.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=135174&provider=rss

This article is intriguing. Perhaps if LE would step up the talk, perhaps someone, somewhere noticed something unusual that night. However, since it seems that LE is convinced that this was an inside job....maybe nobody has any tips involving Misty partying, having sex on the couch or dragging a body down the lane towards the water. But perhaps...someone out there noticed an odd car around the area that day. Perhaps there was an abduction in the area recently that seemed similar. Maybe the SO's could be reinterviewed? Perhaps LE could let the families search since they aren't?

Perhaps LE could let the public in on a little if they want to step up the case. Perhaps give a little info without insinuating they know who is responsible. Perhaps someone out there knows something they didn't know they knew?

I am truly frustrated at this point. I am rambling. Searching for any news. This is just pathetic. MOO:sad:

[4Kids]

This is the best post I have seen in a long time!

I also want to add, if I had a child missing I would not care what my attorney said, I would be talking to anyone that would listen and beg for help. I have a feeling, most mothers or fathers on this board would do the same thing if it was their child missing.

I would like to add that Misty was not doing wash at 2-3 in the morning except on Art Harris' board. She says she did the wash after the kids went to sleep and then she went to bed between 10-10:30.

As for the other bizarre actions/reactions....I cannot say what I would and would not do, since none of my children ever went missing. However, if they did....not much I would do after would be rational. MOO

[4Kids]

[QUOTE=Tiffany;13007911]According to AH, experts in the case do not believe this is a stranger abduction.

There’s no psycho serial child kidnapper roaming PC, most investigators believe, just a sicko hiding a dark and terrible secret closer to home. Sadly, when a case goes on this long, odds are the victim won’t be coming back. But without a body, tough to make a murder case.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/14/have-you-seen-haleigh-cummings/#comments

For anyone to call his sight a "gossip column" is well, a biased opinion, at best. He is a former Atlanta Bureau Chief for The Washington Post and well respected by everyone except the Ronald Cummings defenders.

End Quote


Hi Tiff....let me begin by saying I enjoy your posts. However, my favorite "expert" Mark Klaas did say he though it fit with an SO.

Also...where did you get the 2-3 am wash time for Misty?

As far as the Ronald Cumming defenders...I rather not go there. Since this board is barely active, I certainly don't want to have the only posts end up being fighting his family/her family thing. MOO

MOO

PS Sorry. Messed up the quote feature yet again. MOO

[4Kids]

Snipped for Space and my bold.

I do not think I have ever read anything so shocking. I can not believe you think that....I am at a loss for words.

Apple, if someone believes that Haleigh was abducted, surely they would think of the families including Crystal and Ron as being victimized by the abductor as well. I believe Mark Lunsford was vicitmized. I believe Elizabeth Smart's parents were victimized. I believe that Shawn Hornbeck's parents were vicitmized. The key word is "if". "If" Haleigh was abducted. I still lean that way, and therefore feel very sorry for Crystal and Ron, etc. MOO

[4Kids]

As I said, it's been discussed here at length and I'm not sure where it came from. Another poster says there is a link, says she posted a link and will look for it but hasn't as of yet.

Imo, that's only one of the many inconsistant things that Misty has said. Some think it's very important because of the blanket. I don't put that much importance on one issue but try to look at the whole picture. There is no doubt in the minds of LE that Misty has been inconsistant and holds the key to what happened to Haleigh. That can be verified.

I don't like to see someones name smeared and I think that writing off Art Harris' site as a gossip column is doing just that. The only people that seem to have an issue with AH are the ones that defend RC, so I stand by what I said.

Here is some more info on AH. He has a very impressive resume.

http://www.artharris.com/about-art-harris/

Hi Tiff...I am very familiar with Art Harris and my opinion of him is good. I won't judge any page as being "gossip" since that is all we seem to have in this case.

I would really love to see where Misty made the 2-3 am statement, as I never saw that in writing with the exception of Mr. Harris' site.

I defend neither Ron, Misty or Crystal. I would simply like to see this case solved, as I think we all do.

MOO

[4Kids]

It was in the WAY the poster wrote it. You would have to read from the beginning to understand what I mean. I do not think the poster meant it in the way you are saying. I do agree with you, but like I said, it was the how the poster wrote. I don't know if I am making myself clear, but Haleigh is the TRUE victim imo

Yes Apple. Haleigh is the victim no matter how this case ends up. However, if she was abducted, don't you agree that her family has been victimized as well? If she was abducted, reputations were ruined, lives were shattered AND a child they all loved was kidnapped and LE has everyone believing it was an inside job AKA Misty. I hope they are barking up the right tree, but I have little confidence left. MOO

[titanfan217]

According to AH, experts in the case do not believe this is a stranger abduction.

There’s no psycho serial child kidnapper roaming PC, most investigators believe, just a sicko hiding a dark and terrible secret closer to home. Sadly, when a case goes on this long, odds are the victim won’t be coming back. But without a body, tough to make a murder case.

http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/14/have-you-seen-haleigh-cummings/#comments

For anyone to call his site a "gossip column" is well, a biased opinion, at best. He is a former Atlanta Bureau Chief for The Washington Post and well respected by everyone except the Ronald Cummings defenders.

MO


Good post:

At worst, I consider AH food for thought. I'd believe what I read there before I'd believe what some of the people involved would tell me, maybe they are just too close.

[bookie]

It was in the WAY the poster wrote it. You would have to read from the beginning to understand what I mean. I do not think the poster meant it in the way you are saying. I do agree with you, but like I said, it was the how the poster wrote. I don't know if I am making myself clear, but Haleigh is the TRUE victim imo



One crime can have many victims. That is what Kathy was saying.


Originally Posted by Kathy*Rae


11) Haleigh is the most victimized in this situation, but hardly the only one here. Her family has been victimized also.

[bookie]

Neither of us were in RC MH on the night that Haleigh went missing. Everything we hear comes from someone else. If AH says that there was laundry being washed when LE got there, that's good enough for me.

I don't believe for one moment that he is part of some vast conspiracy to frame or defame Ronald and Misty Cummings.

It would depend on where his information came from. If it came from Crystal, her mother or Kim then I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw Art.

[bookie]

I doubt that it came from either of them. They weren't there either. My guess is it came from sources inside the investigation.

Why don't you ask him? Post the question on his site. He reads it regularly and answers questions all the time.



Because I doubt I'd get an honest answer.

[bookie]

Why do you doubt that you'd get an answer?




Oh I'll get an answer I'm sure. I just don't think it will be a truthful one. It will be spun six ways to Sunday.

[bookie]

So you believe that Art Harris would lie to you because he is part of this vast conspiracy to railroad Ronald and Misty Cummings?



I believe he would spin an answer. He is a journalist. That's what they do.

[Ice Cycle]

This is the best post I have seen in a long time!

I also want to add, if I had a child missing I would not care what my attorney said, I would be talking to anyone that would listen and beg for help. I have a feeling, most mothers or fathers on this board would do the same thing if it was their child missing.

I agree with this and I don't know if R or M was involved in her disappearance but definatley don't agree with their actions though that is a never ending argument. IMO their has been too much focus on the WHO did it and not the WHERE, the WHO could of came later. It is a horrible thought to think this child could be at the hands of some psycho right now, so I would be glad to participate in a mass email. It certainly can't hurt things.

[bookie]

But what would be his reason for not giving a truthful answer?

Not all journalists spin. That's a pretty broadbrush statement, imo.


It's glaringly obvious he is biased toward Crystal. His reason could be as simple as believing what he's told or he could want to make her look better with a custody suit looming.

He has made several huge errors on his blog and I never saw him correct any so either he flat out lied or he chose to spin reality. The first that comes to mind is when he claimed Ron dated Amber before Crystal.

[bookie]

You're entitled to your opinion about Art Harris and I'm entitled to disagree with you. If you have a question/complaint about anything he said but don't want to take it to the source...AH, himself...I don't know what else to tell ya. :bored:

Have a good evening everyone, I'm off to bed.


Yes I know I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't need you telling me that. :rolleyes:

[SwFlorida]

When our kids were as young as Jr and Haleigh their bedtime was 8 o'clock.

Hubby and I needed out time alone and if I wanted to scratch my hind-end..... I didn't want to wonder if one of the boys was watching.

Financially we were alright...:sneaky:

May I ask why you think "lower socio-economic homes" have later bed times for their kids???
TIA
My last 2 boys were 13 months apart. They had a 8 pm bedtime and a naptime everyday. Not only for them but for me also. I don't find that strange at all. As they got older, all the way to high school they had bedtimes. We have lived in a mobile home from the time they were in middle school. But we also live in sunny Florida on an Island and the houses were way out of our price range.

[aproudmom]

Still no sign of Haleigh, but hey! At least the Putnam County Sheriff office has solved the HUGE issue regarding their wardrobes:rolleyes:

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/04/13/news/news02.txt

I wonder how any reporter in that area can justify this article as opposed to reporting on Haleigh. And for the record, I don't buy for a second that there is nothing to report regarding Haleigh. How do those people sleep at night? It is beyond me.

Also wondering how long DCS usually takes to render a decision on their investigation or are we to just forget about that issue as well?

jmo

omg you have to be kidding that is news in their mind..ok I will stop at that..

[aproudmom]

I agree and I dont believe that family members are "victimized" because they are "investigated" and trying to be RULED OUT in the murder or missing persons cases. No way no how. They only feel this way because most of the time they are guilty. Rule the family out first, #1 golden rule. If they cannot be ruled out by LE then there are good reasons. Mark was ruled out. Hornbecks parents ruled out. Smarts, ruled out. Patsy? IMO never really ruled out by LE until long after her death. Father, not ruled out imo. Brother, not ruled out imo of that case.

For the most part, these are active investigations. And the only victim is the person dead or missing.

:(

I'm sorry for you little Haliegh, you didnt have a chance in that household. I'm sorry no one knew.

that is the first thing they do is rule the family out they should know that. If it upsets them then they are not really to worried about finding out what happened to this child...IMO..Mark Klass said that was the first thing he did walked in said give me a LE test and then find my child..

[aproudmom]

wow ok think I will just move on..see nothing new on the case...bye all play nice:wink:

[Santa'sMom]

If Haleigh had been sleeping alone in her own room I could more easily accept the theory of a stranger or SO abduction but the fact that she was supposedly sleeping just 3 or 4' from Misty and on a mattress on the floor tells me that it would be extremely unlikely that someone went in that house and snatched that little girl. It would be way too risky and almost impossible to carry out a plan like that. I just can't see it happening.

[Santa'sMom]

It's glaringly obvious he is biased toward Crystal. His reason could be as simple as believing what he's told or he could want to make her look better with a custody suit looming.

He has made several huge errors on his blog and I never saw him correct any so either he flat out lied or he chose to spin reality. The first that comes to mind is when he claimed Ron dated Amber before Crystal.

Maybe he has information from people in that area that makes him biased toward Crystal. Or maybe he isn't biased toward Crystal but rather knows more about Ronald than we do and finds him to be distasteful? I would think that he would have access to more information than most of us would. Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows?

[teresa]

The washing at 3:00 came from Art in his comments. He got the info from Cobra who said it is in the police report.

I believe the purple hat is in the Christmas video that Crystal released. Unless they both released Christmas videos. It is still available so I guess we can just check.

Come home safely Haleigh!

[?noanswer]

Hiya Apple and others, I've wanted to get this question out there for some time and keep forgetting to ask it. Does anyone know exactly who gave her that hat for Xmas, on the video? I wanted to say, that when I saw that video of her and that bucket hat, all I could think of was Jessica Lundsford and that hat. Her lovely little hat. I guess to me the hat in the Xmas video reminded me of JL right away and I wondered who bought it for her, did her dad? Who bought her that gift? Was it an early precursor to feelings of what was in store for this child?

We may not have any search functions on their computers to use as a diary in this case but their behavior so far on camera has been golden to me. Misty and Ronald I believe know exactly where this child's remains are buried. I'm 100% certain of it. There is no statute of limitations, Ronald. No marriage safety in testimony, for either of you.
Tick Tock. Haleigh will demand justice, and the state will be her voice.
LE will be this childs voice. Because her family has gone silent, in order to protect themselves. And by family, I mean, Ron and Misty. And of course TN.

I am thinking that picture with the hat is at CS's Mom's house. If so, the hat was probably given to her by someone from the maternal side of the family. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

1) Who cares what Ron was wearing and what does his shirt have to do with his daughter being abducted?
2) Someone who has answered all the questions they have answers for and needs to call Haleigh's mother, grandparents and family members to see what they may know and in general inform them his daughter is missing.
3) How do you get that idea?
4) Someone who doesn't know and keeps getting asked the question.
5) Someone who was sleeping or at work when the abduction happened. Kids DO change clothes w/o parental knowledge on occasion.
6) No one has. Inconsistencies are not the same as changing stories.
7) An inconsistency. Not misinformation IMO
8) Why would anyone automatically wonder who might be missing when they wake up needing the bathroom? That doesn't even make sense.
9) I have been known to take laundry from washer in the wee hours when I wake for a bathroom break and move it to the dryer before going back to bed. Not suspicious IMO
10) Not in my mind.
11) Haleigh is the most victimized in this situation, but hardly the only one here. Her family has been victimized also.
12) So do I.
13) I pray the same.

EXCELLENT POST KATHY RAE, not that I expected any less from you.

1. Amen to not giving a darn about what Ron wears, he wears is heart on his sleeve for a CHILD HE HAS BEEN THE PRIMARY CUSTODIAL PARENT TO FOR THE PAST THREE OR MORE YEARS and without too much assistant from a bio-mom to boot.

2. I don't remember him hanging UP TWICE on 911, BUT IF YOU SAY SO and yes, he had to get everyone involved at that point too. That said, you can tell from the radio out call the importance of accurate info as they are checking each and every way out of town especially the train. So, I am iffy on that but again, I don't remember him HANGING UP TWICE.

3. For all we know, he could have been trying to check on leads of unsavory people he has known in the past and the media was making it difficult.

4. ITA, I have a little niece who :wub:changes into princess wear and has been known to hide an extra set with high heels in her PJ BAG, AND SHOCKINGLY.....HER, HER BROTHER AND SISTER ARE ALL IN THEIR BEDROOMS BY EIGHT PM every night....and I MEAN EVERY NIGHT. Our family has always believed in the importance of consistency with reference to raising children. Both of her parents are school teachers, but they could be caught not knowing if she changed after being put to bed IMOO.

5. Yeah, someone who has a fashionista at age six, has house rules and mom and dad might be downstairs grading papers for your children.

6. Inconsistencies come with FEAR and IMMATURITY in some cases. I will wait to judge Misty on WHY LE has MADE THAT ALLEGATION and it is referencing the TIME LINE IIRC.

7. The abduction was reported within some hours from what we know of a time line and we know it's not illegal in Florida to wait days APPARENTLY (citing CA case). IF MISTY was passed out cold after a weekend of partying, I will say some people could be passed out cold from taking allergy medicine, and I put a link up to a 26 year old babysitter passed out in the bathroom IN FL NO LESS, while the child was found walking the street. Not a good thing, and she was charged, but saying IT IS ALL ABOUT MISTY'S AGE regarding responsibility isn't necessarily so, it depends IMO.

8. NO IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE that we are all going to do head counts when in fact, we only woke up out of a need to use the restroom. That said, we don't know if the ABDUCTOR CAUSED MISTY TO WAKE UP, but SHE STILL DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THAT.....:sad:

9. Me too KR, I often stop by the dryer and hit the dry cycle again if it was a large load, or go back on the washer to RINSE and PUT SNUGGLE IN, so I can flip it right over when I wake up.

10. I can think of few reasons to believe the possibilities concerning RETRIBUTION with RON, CRYSTAL, JOHNNY, MISTY and a few others.

11. This family has been VICTIMIZED in a manner I have yet to see the likes of for a COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS. Should this turn out to be a STRANGER ABDUCTION, JUST THINK OF ALL THE RUMORS, INNUENDO and HATRED THAT HAS BEEN PUT UPON THIS FAMILY and they are all grieving the loss of HALEIGH and I am certain they would all do things differently if given the chance to see their baby girl again. *I am leaving Junior and the allegations out, but should they turn up to be unsubstantiated....well, I am not going there, and if they are true, I hope he is placed in a very loving environment before ANY CONSIDERATION OF ANOTHER BIO PARENT given the history there IMOO.

12. I continue to pray for Haleigh's safe return DAILY. God bless and take care of that beautiful child who appears to be a happy go lucky child much like Sandra IMO.

13. I hope Haleigh's abductor is plagued by this every day until they bring her home, or alert someone about where to find her. :crying:

JMO and still praying for Haleigh.

[CANDYKISSES]

I am thinking that picture with the hat is at CS's Mom's house. If so, the hat was probably given to her by someone from the maternal side of the family. JMO

Is someone thinking she was already becoming a target there ?noanswer??????:huh:

[caphill]

A couple of thoughts and some rehash on Haleigh tonight.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=135174&provider=rss

This article is intriguing. Perhaps if LE would step up the talk, perhaps someone, somewhere noticed something unusual that night. However, since it seems that LE is convinced that this was an inside job....maybe nobody has any tips involving Misty partying, having sex on the couch or dragging a body down the lane towards the water. But perhaps...someone out there noticed an odd car around the area that day. Perhaps there was an abduction in the area recently that seemed similar. Maybe the SO's could be reinterviewed? Perhaps LE could let the families search since they aren't?

Perhaps LE could let the public in on a little if they want to step up the case. Perhaps give a little info without insinuating they know who is responsible. Perhaps someone out there knows something they didn't know they knew?

I am truly frustrated at this point. I am rambling. Searching for any news. This is just pathetic. MOO:sad:


I don't understand how you got the impression that LE is convinced that this was an inside job from the article you posted. KP keeps making bold statements that she has talked to a number of people who can verify that Misty was away from home that night. Why hasn't she given those names to LE so it can be further investigated.

KP also made bold statements about the children being abused but has of yet produced no info to substantiate that claim. What happened to her complaint to family services about the alleged abuse and any attempts to remove Jr from the home.

I say to KP....put up or shut up. She has done nothing but muddy up this situation and has actually put her client in a worse light. Has her mug been on TV lately? How about her blow hard bully PI, Cobra. I recall his statements that he was going to crack this case pronto.

LE must be pulling out their hair with the attention seeking people who have inserted themselves into the situation. What have they accomplished other than smearing the parents and family of little Hayleigh.

As to Art Harris, he also needs to put up or shut up. Where is supposely new info on this case? Is that just a classic tease to keeping people coming to his website? Why would anyone believe he is getting inside info from authorities. If LE had any real info as to what happened to Hayleigh they would respond and find her.

[titanfan217]

that is the first thing they do is rule the family out they should know that. If it upsets them then they are not really to worried about finding out what happened to this child...IMO..Mark Klass said that was the first thing he did walked in said give me a LE test and then find my child..

MC and RC each took at least 1 lie-detector test and over 2 months later they haven't been ruled out. Wonder why?

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't understand how you got the impression that LE is convinced that this was an inside job from the article you posted. KP keeps making bold statements that she has talked to a number of people who can verify that Misty was away from home that night. Why hasn't she given those names to LE so it can be further investigated.

KP also made bold statements about the children being abused but has of yet produced no info to substantiate that claim. What happened to her complaint to family services about the alleged abuse and any attempts to remove Jr from the home.

I say to KP....put up or shut up. She has done nothing but muddy up this situation and has actually put her client in a worse light. Has her mug been on TV lately? How about her blow hard bully PI, Cobra. I recall his statements that he was going to crack this case pronto.

LE must be pulling out their hair with the attention seeking people who have inserted themselves into the situation. What have they accomplished other than smearing the parents and family of little Hayleigh.

As to Art Harris, he also needs to put up or shut up. Where is supposely new info on this case? Is that just a classic tease to keeping people coming to his website? Why would anyone believe he is getting inside info from authorities. If LE had any real info as to what happened to Hayleigh they would respond and find her.

Out of the ballpark Cap. I am appalled by the behavior of Kim and Company and feel they should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this situation for their own personal gain IMO.

Unbelievable with the whoppers she puts out and we sit back to see nothing happening. What a mess she has made and all under the cloak of helping someone with a tenth grade education.....:rolleyes:. As though that makes her exploitation of this family any better.

Not so much IMOO. :sneaky: They can all go in the file under snakes from my POV.
JMO

P.S. Pia, I'm still not sure I would call it hanging UP on 911 TWICE without confirmation. JMO tho.

[Texas48]

Out of the ballpark Cap. I am appalled by the behavior of Kim and Company and feel they should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting this situation for their own personal gain IMO.

Unbelievable with the whoppers she puts out and we sit back to see nothing happening. What a mess she has made and all under the cloak of helping someone with a tenth grade education.....:rolleyes:. As though that makes her exploitation of this family any better.

Not so much IMOO. :sneaky: They can all go in the file under snakes from my POV.
JMO

P.S. Pia, I'm still not sure I would call it hanging UP on 911 TWICE without confirmation. JMO tho.Candy..I am curious as to *what* KP would be gaining as far as her personal gain? She is not being paid...She does not need the *attention* for her practice....what? also..Ron did hangup on 911 twicwe and the dispatcher called back...twice. I can understand IF he was upset..his mind *out of control* but I don't know why he would have disconnected...

[Texas48]

Odd coincidence that his last words were,

Ronald Cummings: "where is my f'ing phone...we've got better people to talk to then some mother f'ers who ain't coming."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2009/2/12/haleigh_911_transcript_part_2.html

prior to the call being dropped.

:huh:Its clearly on the 911 call..reading the hardcopy is even better than listening..imo

[teresa]

Hi back at ye,

You know that hat has always bothered me. What a great question, I would also like to know who bought her that hat.

Hi apple. The video was released by Crystal for this past Christmas Day. I believe they were at Marie's house but I know for sure it is their video.

[beachpatty]

Since WHEN does anyone get to pick and chose who they will and will not talk to in a missing child's case?


That's an excellent question, I have wondered that since it was said. I also think she told someone from LE to stop bothering her, she had nothing else to say. I have no links to support that, just seems to be something I remember hearing and wondering how she can pull that off. I am always under the impression that if LE wants to talk to you, they do, be it at a desk or with you on the ground with a jack boot holding you down. The only possible thing I can think of is the fact that she is a minor, but crimney, the ONLY thing that makes her a minor is her birth certificate, she sure does act like she's all grown up to me, smoking, getting married, etc.
MOO
beachpatty

[Texas48]

That's an excellent question, I have wondered that since it was said. I also think she told someone from LE to stop bothering her, she had nothing else to say. I have no links to support that, just seems to be something I remember hearing and wondering how she can pull that off. I am always under the impression that if LE wants to talk to you, they do, be it at a desk or with you on the ground with a jack boot holding you down. The only possible thing I can think of is the fact that she is a minor, but crimney, the ONLY thing that makes her a minor is her birth certificate, she sure does act like she's all grown up to me, smoking, getting married, etc.
MOO
beachpattyMisty pretty much opened her mouth and said alot of things on GMA during their trip to NY....

[Texas48]

One who has not been arrested. We all have that right. She did say she would talk to others, just not him, IIRC. I wished Misty would get a lawyer for herself, then maybe LE could figure this out better.
jmoIMO LE needs to call ALL back in and start over..maybe..just maybe something would change..turn up...something..anything would be better than nothing.

[bookie]

Candy..I am curious as to *what* KP would be gaining as far as her personal gain? She is not being paid...She does not need the *attention* for her practice....what? also..Ron did hangup on 911 twicwe and the dispatcher called back...twice. I can understand IF he was upset..his mind *out of control* but I don't know why he would have disconnected...


Kim P has a one woman law firm. I'm sure any attention, even negative, would help her out personally. That's why some attorney's take on high profile cases pro bono.


Firm: Law Office of KIM L. PICAZIO, PA
Website: picaziolaw.com
Firm Size: One
Occupation: Private Law Practice

http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/3D8D8259CC9C789985256A8300110D4F?OpenDocument

[bookie]

Le hasn't announced anyone being ruled in or out.
Unless of course I missed it...which I have been known to do.
So I'll ask for a link please.
TIA



You haven't missed it. None of the family has been ruled out. Not even ones who were supposedly almost 2 hours away.

[crwofter1]

Hi everyone. I see nothing new!! Well, I just thought I'd see what was up.

[?noanswer]

Is someone thinking she was already becoming a target there ?noanswer??????:huh:

I don't know anything about targets. I was answering a question about who may have given Haleigh the hat. JMO

[?noanswer]

I don't understand how you got the impression that LE is convinced that this was an inside job from the article you posted. KP keeps making bold statements that she has talked to a number of people who can verify that Misty was away from home that night. Why hasn't she given those names to LE so it can be further investigated.

KP also made bold statements about the children being abused but has of yet produced no info to substantiate that claim. What happened to her complaint to family services about the alleged abuse and any attempts to remove Jr from the home.

I say to KP....put up or shut up. She has done nothing but muddy up this situation and has actually put her client in a worse light. Has her mug been on TV lately? How about her blow hard bully PI, Cobra. I recall his statements that he was going to crack this case pronto.

LE must be pulling out their hair with the attention seeking people who have inserted themselves into the situation. What have they accomplished other than smearing the parents and family of little Hayleigh.

As to Art Harris, he also needs to put up or shut up. Where is supposely new info on this case? Is that just a classic tease to keeping people coming to his website? Why would anyone believe he is getting inside info from authorities. If LE had any real info as to what happened to Hayleigh they would respond and find her.

KP was on JVM the other night. She said LE was already aware of all the things she turned over to them. I'm surprised she admitted that, as she rode in with Cobra on a white horse and was going to solve everything. Seems like she donated a lot of time to no avail. Most of the things AH, Cobra, and KP have released only provided sensationalism and did not contribute to finding Haleigh. Guess they are happy they extended their 15 Mins. JMO

[?noanswer]

Isn't the TIMELINE, what LE say's is holding them at a standstill in this investigation?

I don't understand what they are trying to say about the timeline being the hold up. JMO

[?noanswer]

Since WHEN does anyone get to pick and chose who they will and will not talk to in a missing child's case?


I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, but I think that right goes back to our founding fathers. Every person has a right not to incriminate themselves. I don't know if Misty won't talk because she has something to hide, but LE cannot make her talk to them. If they do, it would never be admissable in a court of law. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

One who has not been arrested. We all have that right. She did say she would talk to others, just not him, IIRC. I wished Misty would get a lawyer for herself, then maybe LE could figure this out better.
jmo

That's what I remember too Bully. :unsure: I'm still amazed at the blatant disregard for basic rights. If someone was calling me a liar, and I felt I was giving my story the best I could....well, GET SOMEONE ELSE IN TO DEAL WITH THE OFFENDED PARTY. Seems pretty simple to me and I am an advocate of Misty having an attorney as well.

JMO:thumbup:

[Texas48]

Kim P has a one woman law firm. I'm sure any attention, even negative, would help her out personally. That's why some attorney's take on high profile cases pro bono.


Firm: Law Office of KIM L. PICAZIO, PA
Website: picaziolaw.com
Firm Size: One
Occupation: Private Law Practice

http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/3D8D8259CC9C789985256A8300110D4F?OpenDocument
Your Point?

[?noanswer]

<bolding mine>

To no avail? She is representing Crystal, on behalf of Haleigh and Ron, Jr., unless that has changed. We don't know what she has provided to law enforcement. What is most important, in my opinion, is finding the truth behind the disappearance of Haleigh and to protect her little brother from a man accused of child abuse, domestic violence, drug abuse, and possible complicity in Haleigh's untimely and mysterious disappearance.


These are my thoughts about this.



According to what KP said on JVM, LE already had everything she gave them, so all her work was to no avail. It did not add anything that would bring Haleigh home. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't know anything about targets. I was answering a question about who may have given Haleigh the hat. JMO

Duly noted, I was just wondering if anyone was really thinking that she was being groomed to be like Jessie Lunsford....I can't imagine that period.

I fail to see what would be important about who purchased the hat, but it's just one of those things another poster might explore given the lack of news.... I guess. :confused:JMO

[?noanswer]

Duly noted, I was just wondering if anyone was really thinking that she was being groomed to be like Jessie Lunsford....I can't imagine that period.

I fail to see what would be important about who purchased the hat, but it's just one of those things another poster might explore given the lack of news.... I guess. :confused:JMO

Hopefully it is just a coincidence. It would be horrible if someone planned something 3 months in advance and staged it to include a hat. JMO

[cat3]

At the risk of repeating myself....

Ron was a saint dealing with Misty in those first minutes of arriving home to find his daughter missing...A saint!

You wouldn't want to hear what I would be calling the person I left my child with only to return and find them missing.
Ron was mild in comparison....

I in no way consider it 'emotional' abuse of Misty. Apparently she herself is forgiving of Ron in those first few minutes and hours, so who am I to judge?

I consider it panic, nausea, disbelief, horror, fear, bewilderment, confusion, sorrow and untold pain in hearing Haleigh is gone.

IMO, as always.

ITA that Ron treated Misty mild in comparison to what I would have done.There is no feeling like the feeling of being let down by a person you trusted to guard and protect what you hold dear.No doubt Ron came in and found Haleigh gone and raged at the person he felt at the time 'was sleeping on the job' It's a normal human reaction.IMO

[cat3]

And then he married her.

Strange, that. :blink:

We were talking about Ron's initial reaction towards Misty after walking in and finding Haleigh gone.Maybe Ron decided later that Misty wasn't at fault.I don't think I would marry the last known person to see my missing child,but then again it's really not my business the life choices others make.IMO

[Texas48]

One of the first things I learned during business management training was whenever dealing with someone that you were having problems with, whether it be a complaint, a sale going downhill, whatever...to personally step away from the situation and get someone else to handle/help this person. Preferably male to female and vice versa...Now I realize these circumstances with investigations are different but it is all about human behavior. You want someone that the person feels comfortable with. I think them putting this person with Misty was the beginning of the breakdown with this case. She was comfortable with the others and she was talking. They should have never sent someone in there to bully her because it backfired. Personally I think they know she doesn't know any more than she has said because they probably felt as I do....if she knew anything, this guy would get it out of her....he didn't.hand clap for u Pia..a very good and insightful post..LE would also follow this method..once they determine the mindset of person they are questioning thet can go from there..what ever they were doing was not going to work w/Misty so they really needed to change up..in other words..switch to plan B.

[Texas48]

<my underline>

"Some" being the operative word. Maybe Kim Pacazio has a passion to help those in need, believing that one missing, apparently abused little girl, is one too many children lost. I believe that in Kim as well seeker. I see no other reason for her giving of herself her time and her money.

[cat3]

Yes cat, numerous people on here have said the same thing. Even if it was their spouse. I have said a lot worse when my niece left my gate opened and my dogs got out. Yes, she was an adult. So I can just imagine if it had been my child.
jo

Yes.I'm sure I would have ranted much worse than Ron in that situation.IMO

[Texas48]

<bolding mine>

H Pia,

I appreciate that you are seeing the love in this young girl. I don't doubt that she might feel love for the kids; I have no way of knowing if she loves them or how she loves them.

I strongly disagree with your statement that I bolded:

How can you possibly "know that Ron wasn't there"?

We don't know when and if Haleigh was hurt. We don't know when Ron went to work and when he came home. We have no idea if he came home during those hours. We do know that at 3:27 a.m. on Feb. 10th Misty called 911 and Ron was heard in the background and then came on the line with the operator, hanging up on her two times. Both were less than forthcoming with vital information regarding Haleigh. For a father, this is incredibly suspicious, to me. His anger and violent outbursts do nothing to give the impression that he is an honorable or honest man and father.

these are all my opinions.



Reading your post brought a soothing effect over me..your post is always so calming....but...it actually made me realize that...we really don't know diddly squat except the time of the 911 call. geeeezzzzzz.

[cat3]

Yes, I know what you were talking about. I read all the claims that Ron's reaction was "mild." I don't see anything mild about Ron. He's a loose cannon, imo. He has little, if any self control.

He calls her filthy names and the next day you see him walking around with his arm around her. A couple weeks later he marries her.

Strange and bizzare behavior, is an understatement, imo.

I guess there are a few loose cannon's and people that lack self control on this board then.I can say with all honesty that I would have ranted and raved much longer and much more harshly than Ron if I had walked in and found the one thing that was most precious to me gone.I don't think we can judge a persons self control at a time like that.I can't even imagine all the emotions a person might be feeling during such a time in their life.IMO

[cat3]

If I didn't think that he more than likely had something to do with the disappearance of his daughter, I might agree with you about the judgement part.

I just wish LE would find Haleigh and deal with whoever is guilty at a later point.IMO
I wonder how long it will be before Haleigh coverage disappears from the news.I checked the firstcoast news website today and the Haleigh banner is smaller than it was before.IMO

[Rayosunshine]

Am beginning to think that Haleigh has fallen off the radar! Sad.

[Ice Cycle]

And then he married her.

Strange, that. :blink:
Wanted to post to this earlier and did not get a chance.
Exactly and the reason for that is probably because she is the only one that would tolerate that kind of behavior and I do not believe that is exclusive to that night.
With that said and would I be upset, their would be no one more so.
I have been in a similar situation (fortunately false alarm) and I can tell you it is highly annoying that the operators ask the questions that they do at a time like that, when most people can barely think of their names let alone what the child was wearing. The first though is to get someone to act and fast and it would never seem fast enough. I do believe some of those questions could wait till later. Yes their was concern/panic in his tone but add the name calling and blame seems to me his focus was not were it should of been and their is a difference, too much toward anger for that situation. But as I said last night the focus should be on finder her
then and now.
This is of course is MO.

[titanfan217]

hand clap for u Pia..a very good and insightful post..LE would also follow this method..once they determine the mindset of person they are questioning thet can go from there..what ever they were doing was not going to work w/Misty so they really needed to change up..in other words..switch to plan B.

I thought "the new guy" was plan B (or C, D etc). It sounded as if he was the 1st one to interview her, and the others didn't seem to work either. And all we have is MC's comment.

It might be that he was getting too close to the truth.

[Texas48]

And, big man that he is, he made someone else call 911 for the most important thing in his life, his child. (as he blubbered away in the background) This was a cover. This cowardly behavior with abusers is always the same. And in this case it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and most likely IS a duck.

LE please find this baby's remains so that her parents can be charged in her death. Charged with murder, abuse of a child, improper handling of a corpse and the DP. Then, we will rest.
This child is gone. There is no "boogeyman" except for the one she lived with.Oh Dear Me...ALL this because I posted we didn't have diddly squat as far as info goes except for the 911 call..???Sorry I upset you if indeed I did...goodness.This is quite a post..imo

[Squidward]

Not sure if it's been posted or not, I have not posted here in a few days as there is no new news, I've kinda been checking in here and there.

Here is a link to an article about Ron losing his job:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

I guess sometimes rumors ARE true.

[Squidward]

Only when it was being said here last week (possibly sooner) it was just a rumor.:wink:

It does make me wonder tho how many more "rumors" are in fact truths. KWIM? :wink:

[Texas48]

I thought "the new guy" was plan B (or C, D etc). It sounded as if he was the 1st one to interview her, and the others didn't seem to work either. And all we have is MC's comment.

It might be that he was getting too close to the truth.you know what happends when someone hits a *nerve*.....ouch.

[titanfan217]

Not sure if it's been posted or not, I have not posted here in a few days as there is no new news, I've kinda been checking in here and there.

Here is a link to an article about Ron losing his job:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

I guess sometimes rumors ARE true.

At lease we know he used to work there.

[Squidward]

At lease we know he used to work there.

We also know that he was not employed there for very long.

[Squidward]

At lease we know he used to work there.

After reading that article and thinking about things, it makes me question a lot.

Why did he not contact his employer? Sounded like they would have given him time off. I wonder how long he actually worked there? What was he planning to do once the donations stopped coming in?

[Squidward]

you call him and ask him and let us know :thumbup:

um OK whatever... this is why I have not posted here in a few days :rolleyes:

anyway how hard would it have been for him to call or even his mom to call his place of employment.

[Squidward]

The following in "" was taken from the article I posted earlier:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

It sounds like they were expecting trouble from Ron, wonder why?

"This week PDM asked Putnam County deputies to monitor shift changes at the plant that employs about 120 people and manufactures structural sections for steel bridges. McCauley would not say if the company had a specific reason for the request but only that it is done in some cases.

“It’s just a judgment call you make from employee to employee based on what might happen,” he said."

:confused:

[Squidward]

i haven't been here much in the past week. Not much going on with the case.

and i have NO idea if he called his boss or not.

I just come here to find out if Jr has been removed from the house and how the investigation was going.

Do you know? TIA

If you go to the article I posted it says he did NOT call his boss. I have no idea how the DCF investigation is going and I don't think we would know one way or another, as that information is private.

[forensicfan]

If she really was interviewed for over 30 hours, 5-6 times, then he couldn't have been the first because as far as we know she hasn't been back.

I really find it hard to believe that this little, naive looking, barely 17 year old could not cave in to these investigators for at least 30 hours, if there really was more to her story...

While I am thinking about it, it was said that police had questioned her and Greg and that Misty had told them about the weekend prior...is this true or is it just something coming from the AH site?

I also don't think any of the family members would be able to outsmart the FBI and a whole team of LE agents.

We still don't know what they have as far as evidence but I have seen cases on TV (real cases, not fictional tv shows) where people were indicted on charges with very little circumstantial evidence so I think if they had anything at all pointing to the family members, an arrest would have been made by now or at least a person of interest named.

[forensicfan]

After reading that article and thinking about things, it makes me question a lot.

Why did he not contact his employer? Sounded like they would have given him time off. I wonder how long he actually worked there? What was he planning to do once the donations stopped coming in?

Somehow, I don't think future financial planning has been on his mind.

He probably thought with the publicity about this case, his employer knew where he was.

No, that doesn't excuse not calling in or not asking for a leave of absence but just the same, it doesn't mean there was some hidden sinister reason that he did not call in.

[Squidward]

wow so you mean to tell me if he's found guilty of abuse we wouldn't know? wouldn't Crystal and her lawyer demand jr out of the house and be on tv everyday talking about it? I know i would if my child was abused.

Well I don't think DCF will go on camera and announce he's been found guilty. We won't get status updates on the case from DCF, I think once it's over we will hear from someone within the family, what was decided.

I guess since KP is the only one talking to the media right now, we'd hear from her. RC, MC, & TN seem to have vanished.

KP hasn't even been on much, I think Haleigh's story is losing attention. :crying:

[forensicfan]

The following in "" was taken from the article I posted earlier:

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-04-15/story/haleighs_father_loses_his_job

It sounds like they were expecting trouble from Ron, wonder why?

"This week PDM asked Putnam County deputies to monitor shift changes at the plant that employs about 120 people and manufactures structural sections for steel bridges. McCauley would not say if the company had a specific reason for the request but only that it is done in some cases.

“It’s just a judgment call you make from employee to employee based on what might happen,” he said."

:confused:

Sorry Squidward but it's not all that unusual to have security amped a bit when an employee has been let go after a stressful situation.

How many stories have we seen on the news of an employee who has been under a tremendous amount of stress losing it and shooting people after they were let go? It happens too often for companies to take a chance on their employees safety. It doesn't mean anything in terms of his participation in his daughter's disappearance to me that they amped security a little bit after letting him go.

[Squidward]

Somehow, I don't think future financial planning has been on his mind.

He probably thought with the publicity about this case, his employer knew where he was.

No, that doesn't excuse not calling in or not asking for a leave of absence but just the same, it doesn't mean there was some hidden sinister reason that he did not call in.

Well IMO it should have been. Since Crystal is such a dead beat mom who does not pay child support, and Ron is the father who looks after the kids well being.

Haleigh may be missing but JR is still there. JR still needs to eat? JR still needs clothes? JR still needs shelter?

:confused:

[Politigal]

I really feel sorry for Cummings...

he's lost his beautiful daughter....

more than likely his new wife is involved and/or responsible to some extent....

he's on the verge of losing custody of his son

and now he loses his job...

his life is in shambles IMO

[forensicfan]

Well IMO it should have been. Since Crystal is such a dead beat mom who does not pay child support, and Ron is the father who looks after the kids well being.

Haleigh may be missing but JR is still there. JR still needs to eat? JR still needs clothes? JR still needs shelter?

:confused:

I'm sure it will be now but I doubt it was until then.

[Squidward]

I really feel sorry for Cummings...

he's lost his beautiful daughter....

more than likely his new wife is involved and/or responsible to some extent....

he's on the verge of losing custody of his son

and now he loses his job...

his life is in shambles IMO

bold by me

I think it's very telling, I think he knows this, he has to know or at least suspect she is involved. Why hasn't he gotten the answers from her?

[Politigal]

bold by me

I think it's very telling, I think he knows this, he has to know or at least suspect she is involved. Why hasn't he gotten the answers from her?

they could very well be separated for all we know....

[forensicfan]

bold by me

I think it's very telling, I think he knows this, he has to know or at least suspect she is involved. Why hasn't he gotten the answers from her?

Because maybe she has nothing more to tell.

It might be helpful to put her under hypnosis to see if she can remember anything else. Unfortunately, it is not something that is recognized in a court of law (most of them) and I'm not sure many law enforcement agencies believe it in. I am a firm believer in it and I think it would be helpful to this case.

I've thought about this case over and over again. Unless she carefully planned to murder this child, there is no way she could have outsmarted FBI and LE.

As far as we know, the cadaver dogs have not picked up any scent of decomp in the home and I have heard nothing yet about any scent being picked up in the car/van/whatever vehicle it was. I've posted links about cadaver dogs previously and that cadaver dogs can pick up the scent of decomp from a body that has been in a location for at little as 10 minutes. They can pick up scents through dirt, plastic and other materials. Yes, there are ways to throw off cadaver dogs but those means are from items with very strong odors which would undoubtedly have been picked up by LE. 10 minutes is way too short of a time for an accident to have occurred for which she would have been able to get rid of all evidence. IMO.

I would think that if cadaver dogs hit upon something in the home or the car, one or both would have been named POI's by now if not indicted by a grand jury.

[forensicfan]

Just wondering here but JR still has a mom, right?? Or is JR's support only from his dad??

:thumbsup:

I haven't heard any reports of Jr. having been removed from the home yet either, have you? It's been a few weeks now since that information was given to DCFS. I think if they thought he was in danger, he would have been removed by now.

[Squidward]

Just wondering here but JR still has a mom, right?? Or is JR's support only from his dad??

Well yes he does, and it's not Misty regardless of what Misty and TN say. According to posts on this site Crystal is a dead beat mom, why should/would JR's support only come from his mom? They should have both supported the kids.

Fact is Ron did not contact his employer to maintain HIS job. I just don't see how this is Crystal's fault. :rolleyes:

This article was NOT about Crystal it was an article about Ron, an article that put him in a bad light, so I can see how it would not be accepted here.

[forensicfan]

Nope, nada. And yes, if JR was thought to be in danger, I would hope he would be removed. No matter whose custody he was in.

Same here.

As many episodes of Forensic Files (I'm beginning to feel like their spokesperson), The Investigators and Cold Case Files (Dayle Hinnman, not the TV show), as I have seen over the years, I don't see how anyone would be able to commit a murder and not leave SOMETHING behind. The majority of the murder cases that went cold are from the years before DNA or when it was still in it's infancy (or "junk science" stage as a certain defense team on another thread would like to call it). There is luminol to pick up traces of blood, cadaver dogs, air samples, etc. Too much to have left something behind unless it was carefully planned out and I don't see any motive for this girl to have outright planned to murder this child.

[forensicfan]

From Grund's myspace

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=85212505&blogId=482388324

So Cobra spent thousands of dollars of his own money going to Satsuma and searching for Haleigh. So much for the nasty comments about Cobra.

Small, small world, Florida.

I hold no ill will for COBRA or anyone who is trying to help find this little girl. The fact that he is on the side of KP or CS doesn't mean to ME that Ron and/or Misty are guilty of having hurt Haleigh. He has an opinion like anyone else. His profession and opinions don't make facts but I DO give him a lot of credit for trying to help find Haleigh and his expertise in his field MIGHT help. Lenny Padilla tried like heck to help find Caylee and had all kinds of theories and what he thought were leads but it wasn't him or his theories/leads that found Caylee's body. Still, I give LP a lot of credit for trying very hard.

IF they do find something that definitively connects anyof the parents or family members to this little girl's disappearance, then by all means, arrest, convict and sentence the responsible party(ies). I'll admit to being VERY WRONG if it turns out that they did cause her disappearance and I'll even admit it if I hear something from LE that connects them to a crime involving Haleigh's disappearance. I've been wrong many times when I've tried trusting my own intuition of which I apparently have none. LOL!

It's just that at this time, I have not heard anything factual from LE that would make me think that any of them are involved. I'm a science freak. I need something more than suspicion.

[4Kids]

Well yes he does, and it's not Misty regardless of what Misty and TN say. According to posts on this site Crystal is a dead beat mom, why should/would JR's support only come from his mom? They should have both supported the kids.

Fact is Ron did not contact his employer to maintain HIS job. I just don't see how this is Crystal's fault. :rolleyes:

This article was NOT about Crystal it was an article about Ron, an article that put him in a bad light, so I can see how it would not be accepted here.


The negative light? There has been enough of negative light shed on both Crystal and Ron on this board to make Jerry Springer cringe..

May none of us ever have to go through something like this. And if we do...may none of us be subjected to the dirt digging, name calling and well, to put it mildy the bad wishes expressed by many people against Ron and Crystal.

I hope your worst day is spent without the following: public scrutiny of your family, your past, your verbal language, your body language, the state of cleanliness of your home, your family's hairstyles and of course your truthfulness. I hope your worst day is spent by yourself and the ones you love.

I, who believe Ron and Crystal guilty of NOTHING, only wish them peace and for closure. MOO

[titanfan217]

If Ron had time to get married and go to NY, he had time to make a simple call to his employer, and ask for a leave.

[Squidward]

If Ron had time to get married and go to NY, he had time to make a simple call to his employer, and ask for a leave.

agreed!! and thank you!!

[4Kids]

If Ron had time to get married and go to NY, he had time to make a simple call to his employer, and ask for a leave.

:closedeyes:

Do you think Ron is guilty of the disappearance of his daughter? If not, why the ill will?
MOO

[forensicfan]

Hold on there. It was accepted and appreciated by me and I'm part of "here."

Diversion is an old tired tactic. Whenever something comes out about Ron a few jump on the Crystal bandwagon. It's a given.

That's true Tiffany. It's been a Ron vs Crystal battle on this board for a while. Unfortunately, there is nothing more about this case to talk about other than our thoughts and theories. It's all we have to debate.

I really wish they would find this little girl or at least a strong lead as to where she is.

[4Kids]

That's true Tiffany. It's been a Ron vs Crystal battle on this board for a while. Unfortunately, there is nothing more about this case to talk about other than our thoughts and theories. It's all we have to debate.

I really wish they would find this little girl or at least a strong lead as to where she is.

ITA, Sad, however. MOO

[forensicfan]

If Ron had time to get married and go to NY, he had time to make a simple call to his employer, and ask for a leave.

I'm not excusing him from not calling his employer. I also thought that going to NY and getting married at a time like this was a VERY POOR decision!!!

It just doesn't signify guilt of anything to me is all.

[forensicfan]

I've got to go get stuff ready for tomorrow's daily grind. Have a good night all!!

[Squidward]

That's true Tiffany. It's been a Ron vs Crystal battle on this board for a while. Unfortunately, there is nothing more about this case to talk about other than our thoughts and theories. It's all we have to debate.

I really wish they would find this little girl or at least a strong lead as to where she is.

Agreed there has been no news about Haleigh, the only things coming out are about her family, so at this point talking about this case would be talking about her family.

I don't think it's all wasted however, I think the family could be a big clue as to what happened to Haleigh.

I hope they find her soon too, that's why we are all here, regardless of what we may think or feel about certain family members....we all just want Haleigh found!

[Squidward]

Bold is mine...If this was to happen, I am sure the first thing they would do is remove Jr. from his care. AND I am quite sure, KP, AH and the PI would be sure to inform the media first thing.

This wouldn't happen, DCF would not go on camera and announce that Ron is an abuser, DCF investigations are not public.

[Squidward]

But if they proved that Ron has abused those children, they would remove Jr from him....I didn't say anything about them going on camera. They wouldn't need to.

edited to add...THEY as in DCF would not need to go on camera.

No you didn't say anything about them going on camera, but the part you stated you put in bold and commented on was:

Well I don't think DCF will go on camera and announce he's been found guilty

So NO DCF would not go on camera but I'm sure KP would have mentioned it one way or another, and Ron's attorneys would jump on the fact that he was NOT found guilty.

[Squidward]

I am pretty sure that is what I was saying...LOL Someone OTHER than DCF would let us the public know.:wink:

Do you think that if the investigation is done and Ron is NOT guilty his attorney(s) would not say so? :wink:

they have been pretty silent since they came on the scene.

[titanfan217]

agreed!! and thank you!!

You are quite welcome.

[Squidward]

I'm really trying, I promise I am but what are you saying? Yes, of course I am quite sure if they found Ron not guilty the attorney would say so...I was commenting on someone (I don't even remember now) saying DCF would never tell the public...Yes, I agree DCF would not go on TV and tell anything about the case. What I am saying is that if they found Ron guilty of abuse, the first thing they would do is remove Jr...then everyone would know if he was found guilty because SOMEONE OTHER than DCF would inform the media.

And the attorney should be silent. There is nothing more that can be said to the public at this point from Ron that can help the case. The man can't scratch his nose without something sinister being made out of it...He needs to stay away from the cameras.

LOL I really don't know what you are saying :confused: Do you think the investigation is over? Do you think DCF is done?

[Squidward]

No, I never said I thought the investigation was over. I don't know if it is or not. But if they had found (or find) that Ron has abused the kids they will remove Jr immediately and someone from Crystal's camp would let the public know...and likewise if Ron is told they have nothing to prove that he did abuse them, I am sure his attorney would let the public know.

Now my cold meds have kicked in and I am out of here for this evening...

Everyone have a good night...

Well goodnight, and I hope you feel better.

[royals02]

:sad:
How sad all this time has past and it seems LE is no closer to finding out what happened to poor little Haleigh. As sad as things turned out with Caylee and Sandra, at least there is an answer, some kind of finality. I honestly dont think that Haleigh is alive and how awful that she (and many other missing kids) will never be put to rest.
I cant find it in my heart to discuss the train-wreck that all the parties involved in her life appear to be. Sad to think that there is someone out there that knows what happened and they can live with themselves. What a sorry world we live in

[Squidward]

I have also said, I am sorry I read the post WRONG! I explained it earlier to both of you.

OT
I saw that post you made earlier, please don't let these things bother you. I understood what you said and can't see the problem.

back on topic I hope that whoever is involved in Haleigh's disappearance is caught soon, family, stranger, random SO, predator etc.....

HOWEVER I THINK THE ANSWERS LIE MUCH CLOSER TO HOME.

moo

[Squidward]

Then why has Ron not been ruled out yet?

because as LE stated they do not know what the crime was or when it took place.

They have ruled no one out, makes me wonder why :confused:

After this long they surely have a CLEAR time line.....oh wait...... NO they don't....... thanks to RC new wife.

:rolleyes:

[titanfan217]

Then why has Ron not been ruled out yet?

Apple,

I'm guessing that it's either

1) they still don't know when Haleigh actually was taken from the house.

2) they don't think RC took her out but knows who did.


Not even an opinion.

[TaraCrazyHair]

Thank you for the link, I had not seen that before.

So, he can get married, but he can not take a few minutes to call his job and ask for a leave of absence? UNBELIEVABLE

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset.


From that same link --


Sounds like his temper is well known as well

[Squidward]

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset.


From that same link --


Sounds like his temper is well known as well

agreed, I think RC is known 'round town for more than his missing daughter.

Prayers for Haleigh, hope they find her soon.

[TaraCrazyHair]

At the risk of repeating myself....

Ron was a saint dealing with Misty in those first minutes of arriving home to find his daughter missing...A saint!

You wouldn't want to hear what I would be calling the person I left my child with only to return and find them missing.
Ron was mild in comparison....

I in no way consider it 'emotional' abuse of Misty. Apparently she herself is forgiving of Ron in those first few minutes and hours, so who am I to judge?

I consider it panic, nausea, disbelief, horror, fear, bewilderment, confusion, sorrow and untold pain in hearing Haleigh is gone.

IMO, as always.

In my opinion, he should have been grateful that Jr and Misty were ok .. either one of them could have been gone as well, or walked in and all three dead


Yet he accuses and curses without an ounce of concern

That man is FAR from a saint in my book

MOO

[TaraCrazyHair]

I found this part pretty fascinating

"This week PDM asked Putnam County deputies to monitor shift changes at the plant that employs about 120 people and manufactures structural sections for steel bridges. McCauley would not say if the company had a specific reason for the request but only that it is done in some cases.

“It’s just a judgment call you make from employee to employee based on what might happen,” he said.

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset."

Ron, the loose cannon that's liable to go off at any second.

He had it made. He somehow bamboozled the court into granting him custody of his children, why, with his extensive police record, I'll never understand. But according to court records it was because he had a job and a way to provide medical insurance.

So what does Ron do? He loses his job, and of course insurance because he doesn't bother calling in. Iirc, some co-workers were giving up vacation time for him.

He's a self sabotaging train wreck, imo.


He obviously did not care about or need his job any longer.

What does that say ..... ?


Obviously not because he is so heartbroken over Haleigh, he took off and got married, used funds for his private bills, etc ...

Karma

MOO

[titanfan217]

I found this part pretty fascinating

"This week PDM asked Putnam County deputies to monitor shift changes at the plant that employs about 120 people and manufactures structural sections for steel bridges. McCauley would not say if the company had a specific reason for the request but only that it is done in some cases.

“It’s just a judgment call you make from employee to employee based on what might happen,” he said.

Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Sheriff’s Office said deputies were stationed at the plant during the two daily shift changes beginning Monday. They wanted to make sure there were no disruptions in case Cummings was upset."

Ron, the loose cannon that's liable to go off at any second.

He had it made. He somehow bamboozled the court into granting him custody of his children, why, with his extensive police record, I'll never understand. But according to court records it was because he had a job and a way to provide medical insurance.

So what does Ron do? He loses his job, and of course insurance because he doesn't bother calling in. Iirc, some co-workers were giving up vacation time for him.

He's a self sabotaging train wreck, imo.


Isn't this a different job than when he got custody? Wonder how many different jobs there has been?

I worked in a really strict environment but if anyone didn't call in or someone called in for them in 3 days, they were gone.



In memory of Sandra, I am taking tme tomorrow to celebrate her life. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could celebrate Haleigh coming home the same day?

[Squidward]

Isn't this a different job than when he got custody? Wonder how many different jobs there has been?

I worked in a really strict environment but if anyone didn't call in or someone called in for them in 3 days, they were gone.



In memory of Sandra, I am taking tme tomorrow to celebrate her life. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could celebrate Haleigh coming home the same day?

It would be amazing if we could celebrate Haleigh coming home tomorrow!!!

I worked in much the same environment and I had the task of firing a guy, it was terrible, I felt horrible... he had a family, however it was something that had to be done.

[Squidward]

That's a good question. It probably is a different job but I'm not sure.

That's how it is where I work too. How hard is it to make a phone call? And people go out of their way for him by giving up vacation time, that part really gets to me. Where's the gratitude?

That's really nice of you to honor Sandra that way.

Yes, it would be wonderful if this nightmare came to an end tommorow.

bold by me
I don't think Mr Cummings has spent very long at any of his previous places of employment.

[Squidward]

I just read over the custody hearing documents last night and he mentioned the place and said he was a crane operator and made $10.00 an hour. He also said he worked there 3 mos. I just don't remember what the date of the hearing was.

It's too late to go over it again, but I'll check it out tomorrow.

Good night all...

nite Tiffany!

I remember something about that but I don't feel like looking it up either...too late.

See you guys tomorrow, and hopefully we will wake with the good news Haleigh has been found ALIVE, I know that's not likely.... even if she's not she DESERVES to be found!

Prayers for Haleigh!
May little Sandra rest in peace and prayers for her family!
Prayers for Adji and his family!
and prayers for ALL the missing!

nite all!

[JackiBlu]

Aw so providing for his son is top on his list I see. No medical insurance for Jr, father Unemployed and living off of donations.

Way to Go Dad!
You are Father of the Year
Sit down over there next to Casey Anthony!! Have a long sit.


Maybe mommy can fix it for him? Ticket fixing is against the Law, Isn't it? What about getting charges dismissed because you work with the big boys?


This and the Anthony case aren't even close!!

How terrible to accuse Ron's mother of these things with no, none whatsoever, proof.

JMO

[MoonFlwr]

I must admit...I've seen unnecessary comparisons between the Anthony case and 1 or 2 others on here of late...

They're not related.

[Texas48]

I see nothing strange in RC not returning to work after Hayleigh was snatched. Who would be able to work after news like that? Not me.
I know for certain I would NOT be able to go to work or anywhere else for that matter but I would have had the decency to call my work place and let them know *something.* You know..one way or the other.